The Krypto Report - #25 - Brainstormtrooping with Ricky Vaughn

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00:04:21.980 Well, hey everybody, welcome to the first episode of the Crypto Report in a long time

00:04:51.660 and the first episode of the new current year, which is 2018.

00:04:56.940 We've got one of the best guests ever for this episode is Ricky Vaughn.

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00:05:29.760 So let's go ahead and take a quick break and we will be right back with Ricky Vaughn.

00:05:36.440 Andrew Englund, the editor of the Daily Stormer.

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00:06:31.620 When they try to pull a plug, we come right back up when they try to shut us up

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00:06:45.120 England has launched his army of hate many times

00:06:48.420 Normans can't even imagine how thoroughly taxing and blackpilling it is to see reality through they live glasses

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00:06:59.280 He write those articles alone, sort of, we thank him for producing better shit the fake news ever thought up 0.99

00:07:04.200 Denouncers and optic cucks should applaud us when the Jews cry, shut it down, whose name gets brought up 1.00

00:07:09.300 Even elites in congress could no longer afford to ignore us 0.54

00:07:12.740 Cause our memes are reaching millions of sons and daughters

00:07:15.320 We're shaking the tree of the new world order with a chainsaw and trolling the Jew reporters 1.00

00:07:20.160 Push one of us around, how does it sound? 0.94

00:07:22.160 We'll have a thousand armed Nazis and Hamas marching your town 1.00

00:07:25.080 This the white kids stomping round, nothing you throw at us will keep us down 0.99

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00:07:38.960 Forever ever, forever ever, ever ever, ever ever, ever ever, ever, ever, ever ever, ever...

00:07:48.380 I was sick about this world, couldn't nobody cure me?

00:07:51.380 Took a look behind a curtain and saw all this jewelry

00:07:53.580 Met my friends and tried to talk some sense to them

00:07:55.760 Couple stormer links later and I'm convincing them

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00:08:01.300 who keep complaining about what they're owed 1.00

00:08:03.300 and throwing tantrums like they are three years old

00:08:05.760 but now they're getting exposed to goyim 0.97

00:08:07.440 no one won't fault or changed by the change

00:08:09.620 or the game or the fame

00:08:10.800 cause we came in the game to say who's to blame

00:08:13.320 now the fire rises while we're posting bane

00:08:15.580 just wait till generation cyclone takes the rain

00:08:18.140 got brothers in tx book clubs in motown

00:08:20.840 europa 2 chances are the stormers in your town

00:08:23.380 they hit us with lawsuits try to get us to slow down

00:08:25.580 but we just lol race 100k and wait for the showdown

00:08:28.240 my boomer dan said i need jesus

00:08:29.940 so he took me to church

00:08:31.020 and it was full of juan pablo and caesar

00:08:33.000 the preacher said we need better leaders

00:08:34.820 so i tore a cross down and beat his hairs to a paraplegic

00:08:38.040 we've had it with these kikes men you better believe it 1.00

00:08:40.500 and we won't rest until they're forever defeated

00:08:42.880 take your right hand and throw it up like a bulimic

00:08:45.460 beating comments up on youtube and stream it

00:08:47.980 after the breeze settles and the dust gets swept off

00:08:50.540 young whites pick up where big a had left off

00:08:53.000 right when kike magazines wrote the west off 1.00

00:08:55.440 we used the internet for something better than the jack off

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00:09:00.480 rally night damn right we got dressed up 0.99

00:09:02.900 we're hanging every nigga no more need to fess up 1.00

00:09:05.380 the merchant's getting nervous cause he knows he's next up 0.96

00:09:07.940 probably already sees us dusting off the train tracks 0.99

00:09:10.400 you faggot should've given andrew his domain back 1.00

00:09:12.740 now even more whites will realize where the blame's at 1.00

00:09:15.220 turn off the nigger ball and start reading some k-mac 1.00

00:09:17.720 what's up with y'all and h and are y'all okay man 0.99

00:09:20.160 on the day of the rope we're all doing the same man

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00:09:24.140 white power turn a diamond into diamonds with our bare hands

00:09:27.660 when they try to pull a plug we come right back up

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00:09:37.600 do we go our bare hands?

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00:10:06.040 I don't know why somebody would go back to normal life.

00:10:14.520 I don't know.

00:10:15.740 I mean, you know, it's too much fun.

00:10:17.960 I'm having too much fun, really, honestly.

00:10:20.220 I can't imagine anything else that anybody would want to do 0.98

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00:10:36.560 Well, welcome back to the Crypto Report,

00:10:39.300 to this first voyage of the new year.

00:10:43.100 And we have an excellent guest on the show.

00:10:45.280 This is a guy that I've known on the Internet for a long time.

00:10:48.980 This is the first time that I've had a chance to talk to him.

00:10:52.180 It's my pleasure to do so.

00:10:55.700 You were, Ricky, you were named last year

00:10:59.260 as one of the top 100 influencers in the election.

00:11:02.060 What magazine was it that named you that?

00:11:04.440 Yeah, that's a good question.

00:11:05.600 It was an MIT project, I think.

00:11:09.020 It had to do with MIT.

00:11:09.640 Oh, okay.

00:11:10.200 Yeah.

00:11:11.240 Okay, well, that's a big deal, and this is a big guest.

00:11:14.300 And it's great that we have him on now

00:11:17.140 because, like many of the rest of us in the alt-right,

00:11:20.760 Ricky has been banished off Twitter and onto Gab,

00:11:26.500 and we seem to have come to kind of loggerheads

00:11:31.200 between Ricky and a lot of the more,

00:11:36.080 how would I put this, I guess, 1488er crowd of the alt-right.

00:11:41.300 And so it's great to have him on here today.

00:11:44.420 And for anybody who thought that I was going to bring Ricky on here

00:11:47.760 and start shouting at him

00:11:50.260 and threatening to throw him in a gas chamber and all that, 0.98

00:11:52.640 you're going to be disappointed. 0.89

00:11:53.760 That doesn't mean that we're not going to disagree

00:11:58.420 if we have things to disagree about.

00:12:01.120 But what it does mean is that, as I said,

00:12:04.000 I've known Ricky online for a long time,

00:12:06.880 and especially in Internet time.

00:12:08.860 I think it was late 2014 when I first ran across Ricky,

00:12:13.180 and we followed each other on Twitter.

00:12:14.920 And I think it was like 700 or 800 followers you had then,

00:12:20.680 which, I mean, that was nothing compared to what happened shortly after.

00:12:26.660 But I heard your interview with Cantwell,

00:12:30.640 and it was a great interview.

00:12:32.460 You said a lot of things that I agreed with

00:12:34.540 and a lot of things that I disagreed with.

00:12:36.940 But I want to kind of do this backwards.

00:12:39.580 I want to go the opposite direction that Cantwell was going in.

00:12:44.920 And what I mean by that is, let's start off with this question.

00:12:50.720 What is the end goal, in your mind, of everything we're doing?

00:12:56.000 Okay, great. Yeah.

00:12:56.960 That's a great question.

00:12:59.600 Now, I just was reading, actually, Daily Storm the other day,

00:13:02.660 and I think Andrew Anglin really put it best.

00:13:07.000 He said that historically white countries should be given back to white people,

00:13:12.600 Europe, North America, and Australia.

00:13:14.920 So, you know, my end goal is that we need to have sort of,

00:13:21.820 as an American, I think we have to take control of the American state,

00:13:27.000 the American nation.

00:13:28.180 So that's my end goal.

00:13:29.300 Now, I wish that the Poles, I wish the Poles well,

00:13:32.900 and I wish the English and the German people as well in taking back their own states. 0.78

00:13:36.360 But, you know, specifically for me, I'm an American,

00:13:39.320 so I want to take back sort of this country from the people who have taken it over, 1.00

00:13:46.000 and that would be my end goal.

00:13:47.940 Well, we have a lot of agreement there.

00:13:54.640 While I am concerned with what happens to the various European races in the various European countries around the world,

00:14:06.800 I don't mean literally countries in Europe, but, you know, the European-founded countries around the world,

00:14:13.800 I'm very concerned about all that.

00:14:16.700 But I, too, am an American, and my goal is to restore America.

00:14:26.560 Now, when I say restore, I mean restore the political power and political hegemony to the people who founded America.

00:14:35.520 Another interesting thing here is that you and I actually share the same self-identity,

00:14:44.800 but we may define it in different ways.

00:14:47.600 I don't think we necessarily define it in different ways.

00:14:50.200 I think we may express it in different ways.

00:14:53.000 You know, of course, being the Daily Stormer guy and being a guy who writes about Adolf Hitler from time to time

00:15:02.520 and things like that, I'm labeled in the media as a neo-Nazi, but I always point out,

00:15:07.440 no, what I am is an American nationalist, and that's how you identify as well, correct?

00:15:12.640 Absolutely.

00:15:13.120 And what I mean by American nationalist is that basically, I mean, when you strip away the things like, you know,

00:15:22.200 technology and things that have come to pass that would have altered a worldview in the last couple hundred years,

00:15:28.280 I have the same worldview and beliefs that the people who founded the country would have had,

00:15:35.840 and I believe in the intent that they had for this country, and that's what I want to restore as well.

00:15:43.000 And so I think we're both really in agreement on that.

00:15:46.480 And so where we proceed from here is we're going to talk about our ideas about how we achieve that

00:15:55.800 and hash out our differences in that.

00:15:58.740 Sound good?

00:15:59.900 That sounds good.

00:16:01.520 Okay.

00:16:02.280 All right.

00:16:03.440 Okay.

00:16:04.460 So, you know, as we stated from the beginning, there's been a lot of controversy,

00:16:10.960 a whole lot of shitposting and flaming and all that going on between yourself and a lot of the more hardcore 1488 types.

00:16:23.740 And as I stated the day that I invited you on the show,

00:16:29.520 I think that a lot of this is due to the fact that there's a lot of communicating going on in 300 characters at a time,

00:16:36.800 and a lot of people who are only listening from a perspective that they have.

00:16:44.760 They're not trying to actually hear what's being said.

00:16:46.740 So when we say that we want to restore America to its, you know, to its founding intent,

00:16:55.560 what do you think that it will take to do that?

00:16:59.340 Yeah, that's a great question.

00:17:01.400 Yeah, I think the whole arguing in 300 characters, it doesn't work that well.

00:17:05.720 And I think I probably didn't sort of explain myself terrifically.

00:17:10.720 That's why it's good to do this kind of forum.

00:17:12.740 So, yeah.

00:17:13.500 So what would it take to sort of restore America?

00:17:18.920 You know, I'm really interested in, at this point, still interested in political solutions.

00:17:24.720 I don't think that sort of violent revolution is going to be the answer at this stage,

00:17:34.560 nor I think it's very, it's not very prudent to advocate for that at this stage in time now.

00:17:41.120 So I'm really concerned with political solutions.

00:17:45.420 How do we, and we, whether we like it or not, we live in this sort of democratic country

00:17:50.160 where we vote and there's universal suffrage. 0.79

00:17:54.580 So I am looking at political solutions within the framework that we are currently operating in.

00:18:01.520 How do we mobilize a coalition that is going to advocate for what we want

00:18:08.860 and so that we build a base of political power?

00:18:13.860 Not only that, can we build this coalition in a way that we can compete for the highest office in the land,

00:18:23.980 the presidency, as Trump did, as if going back, you know, Pat Buchanan attempted to.

00:18:30.060 And we go back even further, Ronald Reagan won, Richard Nixon won.

00:18:35.460 Now, were they successful in actually accomplishing our goals?

00:18:39.000 No.

00:18:39.460 And Trump might not be successful either.

00:18:41.820 So that's why I say we need a political strategy that goes even beyond Trump

00:18:48.900 and then that we can build whether he succeeds or he fails in his goals.

00:18:54.560 So that's what I'm looking at, this sort of political strategy working within the framework of the system.

00:19:01.400 I think the other – I think it's still possible, and I think that Trump is one of the people that has sort of demonstrated this.

00:19:10.780 Well, I agree with you 100 percent on several points there, the main one being I don't think it's prudent

00:19:20.280 or, to be honest with you, I don't think it's even sane at this point to be advocating, you know, violent insurrection for several reasons.

00:19:31.860 Number one, there's no way we can win.

00:19:34.420 We don't have the military on our side.

00:19:37.440 We don't have the police state apparatus on our side.

00:19:42.000 That stuff is all owned by the enemy, by the globalists, if you want to call them that, the Jews, okay? 1.00

00:19:49.900 And on top of that, that should always be a last resort thing.

00:19:57.940 We still have lots of opportunity to do this electorally.

00:20:02.520 And before my listeners get to calling me a cuck about this, I want to remind them that what got me started in political activism of any kind was back in 2012 0.97

00:20:15.240 when myself and two other guys who were nobodies, who had no local political power, started a website and ran all the bastards out. 0.97

00:20:27.040 I mean, every single one of them. 0.97

00:20:28.540 We had a little less than a year.

00:20:30.500 We worked really hard.

00:20:34.120 We were constantly not only posting on the internet, but, you know, getting out in public and doing activism and showing up at city council meetings

00:20:42.580 and advocating for the ideas that we had.

00:20:45.960 And we never backed down.

00:20:47.080 No matter what we were called, we just kept moving forward.

00:20:50.340 And come election day, every single one of our candidates won.

00:20:54.020 The next day, the police chief was fired.

00:20:56.200 It was a whole new regime there at City Hall.

00:21:00.500 And I realized if three guys can do that, then it's, you know, now that we've won this and I have somewhere else that I'm going to have to go, something else I'm going to have to do,

00:21:13.120 then I might as well get involved in something bigger.

00:21:17.300 And I'd always been interested in pro-wide advocacy, for lack of a better term.

00:21:24.820 But I had never gotten involved with it because, you know, I'm a Gen Xer.

00:21:29.140 And in the late 80s and all throughout the 90s, even though I may have agreed with the goals and with a lot of the things that the people who,

00:21:40.960 and I'm not talking about necessarily, say, David Duke when he was an elected representative, because he certainly moderated his message when he did that.

00:21:48.640 But, but I mean, you know, the guys like the white Aryan resistance movement and the Aryan nations and the clan that were all pushing things so hard at that time,

00:21:56.480 I would look at that stuff and I'd say, no, no, no, no, no, this is impossible because these guys do more damage than they'll ever do good.

00:22:05.200 They look horrible.

00:22:06.120 They say things that turn people off and they scare people and they just, they make it too easy for the government to come down on them.

00:22:15.080 And I think to a certain, to a certain extent, that's what you're saying is going on now with a lot of the edgier part of the alt-right.

00:22:24.760 Yeah, I would say that, but I would clarify.

00:22:27.760 I think that my criticism is mostly aimed at sort of the political efforts that we've had so far.

00:22:36.120 Like if somebody is trolling or whatever on the internet, I think that's a little bit different.

00:22:42.700 The internet is a community where actually it pays off to be more edgy.

00:22:47.680 Now, the problem is, I think, when we take it to the political world, we have to have a strategy.

00:22:55.140 We have to look at things more pragmatically than it might be on shitposting online.

00:23:01.820 That's where I come from.

00:23:03.580 And I think that, you know, I didn't even know that you had done the whole thing in your local community with the political activism.

00:23:10.300 That is the greatest opportunity we have right now, I think, is that we go and do this political activism at the local level.

00:23:18.100 That's a great way to get started on building a sort of pragmatic political solution here.

00:23:23.580 Yeah, now, let's carry on with, you know, you're talking about the difference between shitposting and bringing this into the real world.

00:23:38.040 And I think probably the best example of that is all of these marches and things that have been going on lately.

00:23:46.280 Of course, the most famous one being Unite the Right, which I was at.

00:23:50.340 And you say that Unite the Right was a loss.

00:23:56.880 And I have to say that in the grand scheme of things, I agree with you that at least up to this point, our losses due to Unite the Right are bigger than any gains we may have made.

00:24:09.940 And we definitely did make some gains in as much as, you know, we proved to the world that this was a real movement and that there were lots of people who were willing to come out and travel long distances to be part of it.

00:24:23.040 But, you know, it ended up in this thing where the media was able to portray it the way they wanted to portray it rather than the way that it actually was.

00:24:34.400 You had a lot of guys going to jail over it.

00:24:37.880 You had a lot of people getting doxxed and losing their jobs and, you know, that kind of thing always slows recruitment of anybody else who might be willing to come out for that kind of thing.

00:24:49.440 And it's important if we're going to be a coherent movement that makes progress, because we have to make progress.

00:24:59.540 I mean, I don't think anybody would say that, oh, we're poised to just take everything over as we are right now.

00:25:05.380 I mean, no, we've been a rapidly rising movement.

00:25:09.420 We've risen so rapidly that it's literally scared the shit out of our opponents, and it should, you know, on a political level.

00:25:16.640 But we have to keep moving forward, and we're not going to be able to do that with what I guess the best term for it has that I've heard is goon marches.

00:25:27.720 You know, and there are a lot of groups who can't seem to get it in their head, and they're like, well, we're just going to keep doing the goon marches, right?

00:25:35.840 And it's a bad thing because, you know, you go to a town, and you get a permit, and you take over a couple of blocks of the downtown of a town that nobody lives in.

00:25:47.960 And unfortunately, a lot of these groups show up dressed like, you know, Derek from American History X or whatever.

00:25:53.660 They show up with shields and plastic Nazi helmets and all this stuff.

00:25:58.320 And, of course, when they do that, you know, on a Saturday or whatever, they shut down the locals' whole town.

00:26:05.420 They cost the locals tons of money.

00:26:08.200 And then, you know, all this opposition shows up.

00:26:12.140 The town's all over the news.

00:26:13.840 The local townspeople are afraid to come out.

00:26:15.580 And from neither side does it look like anything that anybody would want to be involved with because what it looks like is this invading militia has come and taken over your town for a day.

00:26:30.760 And I don't think that's politically viable.

00:26:32.760 I think what we need to do is I think we need to have people who can, you know, keep their power levels hidden somewhat and be actual, not only local, but statewide and nationwide political candidates that we could get elected while at the same time we have people who are not only just shitposters, but, you know, people who are doing things like I'm doing now.

00:26:58.040 I think you can be a hybrid of the two because I go out and I do, you know, IRL activism, but I don't, you know, the Unite the Right was the only one where I participated in one of these things where it was the big let's get a permit and take over a huge chunk of downtown.

00:27:16.800 And like I say, I believe I learned my lesson from that.

00:27:19.560 I'm not saying that that will never be a viable option again, but it's certainly not something that goes in our favor now.

00:27:24.640 But the best example of this, I guess, and I think this is a lot of what you're talking about, is that people like Paul Nealon shouldn't suddenly lose it and start going after the Jews if they have a chance to get elected.

00:27:41.560 Yeah, I think that's pretty fair to say.

00:27:43.660 Like I agree with every pretty much 100% of what you just said, you know, yeah, we need sort of candidates who can win local office.

00:27:55.380 More than that, I think we need a sort of political organization that's decentralized that is but but United at a national level.

00:28:04.440 So I take as a model of this sort of like the democratic socialists where these people are like they're a bunch of misfits, whatever they're some of them are like communists, but they don't go around saying we're going to shoot all the bourgeois like they they organize as the sort of in a way that can appeal to the broader public.

00:28:24.860 Not only that, they offer their people a sort of social group to join in.

00:28:31.120 And that's one of the big problems with America right now is all of these people are alienated there.

00:28:35.500 Maybe they're spending too much time online or whatever, but it gives them a sort of social group.

00:28:39.460 So the DSA itself is able to affect the democratic mainstream.

00:28:43.140 They're able to run candidates, endorse candidates.

00:28:45.300 I would like to see a similar movement on the right, and that would necessarily entail a sort of ideological moderation or tailoring in order to appeal to a broader spectrum of the public.

00:29:00.360 And yeah, and sort of being able to stay off of third rails and that kind of thing.

00:29:09.620 You want to push against political correctness, but you don't want to blow up your entire political and social capital in doing so.

00:29:18.120 Yeah, and I think the place where we might disagree somewhat on this is that, you know, I think that that's limited in a big way to say a politician who's actually running for office right now, but not necessarily to his base.

00:29:41.200 Because, you know, these same leftist groups that you're talking about, like the Democratic Socialists of America and everything, they work hand in hand with, you know, the American Communist Party and Antifa and people like that.

00:29:55.340 And they don't even try to hide that they do it.

00:29:57.700 It's just that the people who are actually running for things moderate their message.

00:30:01.500 I think there's room, I think there's room for every type of activist in this movement, as long as it's coordinated properly.

00:30:12.740 Like, you know, we have these Daily Stormer book clubs now, and you may have seen like myself and members of the Dallas-Fort Worth Daily Storm book clubs in conjunction with Patriot Front went and confronted an Antifa book fair.

00:30:27.560 Now, say you had a candidate like Paul Nealon, who had not shown his power level, but that we totally supported him, and there's a big rally for him.

00:30:36.380 Well, you know, I think if you have guys like us who come out and we know how to present ourselves to not look like, you know, something bad without going back into the descriptions I gave earlier, but yet we touch on these issues that he can't touch on.

00:30:54.500 I think that helps because, and of course, you know, the big boogeyman in the room on that is always the Jewish question. 0.97

00:31:02.640 And somebody has to be out there with this Jewish question thing because, you know, I don't know how much you agree with me on this, and that's not me saying I think you like Jews or whatever. 0.72

00:31:13.960 But I think that none of these problems that we have are ever going to be solved in any kind of a satisfactory way if we don't address the Jewish question, at least to the point that people have an understanding of what the Jewish question really means, of the stranglehold that they have on the political and social and cultural discourse.

00:31:42.140 I mean, you know, this Jewish problem, one of the reasons that we have such a hard time making any kind of political progress, and it's one of the things that is so frustrating to the people who are frustrated with you right now, is that they have this paradigm set up to where on the left, you have a left that is controlled by a leftist Jewish interest. 1.00

00:32:06.500 And everything fits into a paradigm of everything that these leftists do that's going to be authorized, that the media is going to allow it to go on, and the political machine is going to allow it to go on to the point that somebody might get elected or somebody might get appointed.

00:32:23.600 And you have the same thing on the right, with the right wing, you know, the neocon type, right wing Jewish interests, and nothing that steps outside that interest is going to be allowed in this discourse. 0.57

00:32:38.340 And that's why, you know, and it's one of the things that really drew me to wanting to work at Daily Stormer, is that I believe this Jewish question is first and foremost. 0.75

00:32:47.880 And obviously, if you're running for Congress right now, you can't come out and say, okay, I'm reading culture of critique right now, and as soon as I'm done, I'm moving on to the protocols of the learned elders of Zion, and we're going to get you, Kai.

00:33:04.260 You know, no, you can't do that, but you can certainly have reasonable, intelligent people out there who are saying, look, you know, Israel should not define our foreign policy.

00:33:18.500 The 2% of the population of the United States that is American Jewry should not define every aspect of our domestic policy and our financial policy. 0.82

00:33:28.200 They shouldn't control our media.

00:33:30.320 They shouldn't, you know, and you can go on and on with this stuff.

00:33:32.880 I mean, you know what I'm talking about, and my listeners know what I'm talking about, so I'm not going to go on forever on a big educational thing about the Jews here.

00:33:41.040 But, I mean, where do you come in with all this?

00:33:43.060 Okay, this is a great question.

00:33:43.980 So I have two points.

00:33:45.440 The first is I would draw a clear line.

00:33:49.680 I mean, not to say it couldn't be blurred at some point.

00:33:51.920 Like, it's obviously gets very blurry.

00:33:53.720 But I would say that we need philosophers, but we also need politicians.

00:34:01.580 And I would say that on the philosophy side, you don't want to be limiting your debate.

00:34:07.440 There's absolutely no reason for it.

00:34:09.240 You want to have a completely and totally open and frank discussion of what you think are the problems.

00:34:17.120 And, you know, what is – and this is the critique of the system.

00:34:22.340 And that's where I say we don't want to limit ourselves.

00:34:26.260 Like, people are saying, Ricky, why are you never talking about the JQ?

00:34:29.540 It's like, well, I said three posts ago.

00:34:31.800 I just posted something about it.

00:34:33.120 You know what I mean?

00:34:33.600 So this is what happened.

00:34:35.860 But I want to draw a clear distinction between the political side.

00:34:40.740 When we go and apply sort of ourselves, we have to deal with political realities right now.

00:34:47.960 So that's my first point.

00:34:49.100 I want to draw a line there and say, yeah, I'm agreeing with what you're saying.

00:34:54.100 You don't want to come out as a politician and say, look, you know, this is a problem, blah, blah, blah.

00:34:58.380 But second of all, I do want to also say we have to be very smart in studying our opponent and our enemy.

00:35:06.460 And a lot of times we just want to sort of say it's the Jews.

00:35:11.240 We have to look at what are the institutions that are – let's say if – let's say that I totally agree that it's all just the Jews. 1.00

00:35:19.780 Because you say the average guy walking down the street in a yarmulke in whatever, St. Louis, is that guy the enemy?

00:35:29.100 Or do we have to look at the institutions that are sort of controlling this sort of system?

00:35:34.960 And if we – our politicians and our people on the politics side are focusing on these institutions, then we're going to be serving our goals.

00:35:45.100 Like we should be looking at destroying political correctness because this is used to limit the terms of debate.

00:35:50.680 We should be looking at how are we going to undermine or deconstruct the media, especially the big corporate media?

00:35:59.860 And how are we going to defend free speech on the internet so that our people can discuss these problems frankly?

00:36:08.180 You don't have to go out and say all this other stuff that might not be politically palatable in order to defend free speech and to defend free expression.

00:36:18.680 And then you want to start looking at Wall Street, the influence of Wall Street, the influence of K Street, the lobbyists in D.C.

00:36:25.460 You can attack all of these sort of heads of the hydra, so to speak, without – as a politician.

00:36:32.740 And that's all you need to do, in my opinion, quite frankly, in this current political atmosphere that we have right now.

00:36:43.020 Yeah, and that's one of the things that was really energizing about the Trump campaign for just about everyone in the alt-right was that all the things that Trump was attacking,

00:36:55.460 were – I mean, he – without ever – and I don't think even in his mind, without ever attacking the Jews,

00:37:04.820 everything that he was attacking was basically an international Jewish institution.

00:37:09.740 And, you know, if he were successful in all these things, you know, like if he stopped the immigration, if he was able to bring the media to heel,

00:37:20.400 we were somehow able to reestablish complete free speech in media and on the internet, you know, you would basically have them beaten.

00:37:31.960 But, of course, I mean, I don't think – I don't think Trump is an anti-Semite, to be honest with you.

00:37:39.460 I never did.

00:37:41.800 Of course, he's got Jews in his family.

00:37:44.320 He's got a daughter who's converted to Judaism and given him a bunch of Jewish grandchildren.

00:37:47.980 And then the first thing he did when he got in office was started appointing a bunch of Jews, 0.98

00:37:52.140 lots of them Goldman Sachs Jews, to, you know, cabinet-level positions and things, 0.51

00:37:56.840 which has been a lot to his detriment.

00:37:59.760 But, yeah, I mean, like you say, you can run on these things and you can get a lot of what we call the cuck-servative faction over to your side. 0.99

00:38:13.260 But still, on top of all that, there's no quantifying the effect that shit posters – I mean, real hardcore shit posters – 0.98

00:38:22.840 have on doing that, because I know you remember, because you were right there. 0.99

00:38:29.320 The cuck-servatives did not want Trump to be the nominee. 1.00

00:38:33.120 And it took a whole lot of shitposting and memeing to help get him to do that. 0.98

00:38:38.960 Oh, yeah.

00:38:40.420 And it took a lot of – and if it had been anybody else other than him expressing the same opinions,

00:38:46.760 I don't know that he would have won.

00:38:48.060 And I don't know that Trump is going to be the solution to our problems either,

00:38:52.840 but I don't – you know, to all these people who get so mad at him now and say,

00:38:57.800 ah, I told you from the beginning he wasn't our guy and all that.

00:39:00.980 Well, yeah, I mean, no, he's not the guy who's going to yank a swastika arm band on and say,

00:39:06.520 okay, I'm president today, I'm signing an executive order to build the camps.

00:39:10.160 But would you rather have had Hillary Clinton? 0.99

00:39:14.380 Because the first thing she would have done would have been given amnesty to every single illegal alien in the United States,

00:39:21.560 and then the second thing would have been to throw open the border.

00:39:24.140 And we'd be looking at a whole different country now.

00:39:26.560 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:39:27.580 People say – I say – people are saying, oh, Trump is negotiating DACA.

00:39:31.720 This is terrible.

00:39:33.160 Look, I think Trump should walk – like, I think Trump, if he doesn't get his demands,

00:39:37.380 he's got no incentive to sign a DACA law and whatever.

00:39:40.680 But essentially, would you rather have Trump presiding over the negotiations or Hillary Clinton?

00:39:48.180 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:50.700 Well, if she'd have won the election, there wouldn't be any negotiations.

00:39:56.100 Because, I mean, one of the chief things that you have to remember about what Trump's doing up there

00:40:01.080 is that he has to whip his own people into shape.

00:40:05.280 Because if Hillary were in there, you know, all these mainstream rhinos would have fallen all over themselves. 1.00

00:40:11.920 No question about it.

00:40:14.080 60 votes, filibuster proof.

00:40:17.480 Could it have passed the House?

00:40:18.980 That's another question.

00:40:19.860 But it definitely could have passed the Senate.

00:40:24.100 Yeah, absolutely.

00:40:24.820 And, you know, if she had just taken a page from Obama and just signed another executive order,

00:40:33.840 would there have been enough political will even in the House to oppose her in doing that?

00:40:40.480 You know, because that's why they're all here in the first place was because of a series of illegal executive orders

00:40:46.020 that created a new law and a new quasi-citizenship.

00:40:53.360 But, so yeah, I think, you know, most of what's going on in all this drama going on with you, I think,

00:41:01.600 is that people have not understood what's going on.

00:41:04.700 And a lot of them, and don't get me wrong, people, the ones of you that are going to do this,

00:41:09.880 I love you, but they're going to be mad at me too now because they don't want to hear what we're saying.

00:41:16.860 And I am the most 1488 guy there is.

00:41:20.540 I want this country restored to a white country. 1.00

00:41:24.800 I will do whatever it takes to do that.

00:41:28.360 Okay, we're going to have to real quick stop right there and take a break.

00:41:34.020 And we'll be back right after this.

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00:43:59.880 Bye.

00:44:01.880 We'll be back.

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00:44:11.880 Thank you.

00:44:41.880 Thank you.

00:45:11.880 And I think it's about time that we moved on to a different topic anyway, because we've been agreeing too much.

00:45:19.460 And so there's one thing that I'm probably going to have some fairly significant disagreements with you about based on some of your posts I've read and some of what I heard on Cantwell.

00:45:37.520 You seem to think that wide identity is not a doable thing.

00:45:44.320 It's not something that we can work towards rallying around.

00:45:47.600 Right. I think that's pretty fair characterization of what I said.

00:45:51.180 Like, I don't think that it's going to sort of mobilize a sort of what we need to do.

00:45:58.620 Now, you know, I would say this.

00:46:01.800 It obviously is something that has inspired or mobilized a sort of vanguard.

00:46:09.220 I think it might be able to do that.

00:46:10.660 But I don't think that it can go mainstream or I would say, yeah, I don't think it could go mainstream.

00:46:18.560 Are you saying that just based on the cultural situation that you see around you now and that you've been surrounded with your whole life?

00:46:31.580 Because I assume you're probably in your 20s or early 30s, you know, a bit younger than me.

00:46:38.280 And even throughout most of my life, that's not been a thing that you would hear too much about on TV would be anybody identifying as a member of a group because they were white.

00:46:49.920 But it was for a long time.

00:46:52.520 I mean, you know, I know you're aware of the first Naturalization Act, which was passed like a year before the Bill of Rights, said that the only way you were qualified to be a citizen of this new United States was to be a free white person of good character. 0.56

00:47:09.060 And so, I mean, there definitely was white identity when the country was founded and there was white identity throughout the history of this country up until about the 1960s that was so strong that it wasn't a thing people even talked about.

00:47:26.420 It was just assumed that America was a white country that, you know, despite, you know, over in Europe, everybody was English or French or German or whatever.

00:47:39.060 They moved here and they became American, you know, like you'd have a German guy marry an English woman or vice versa or whatever.

00:47:49.320 And even though the children weren't English or German anymore, they were white. 0.92

00:47:54.760 And I think, and it's my opinion, that that consciousness is rising again.

00:48:02.440 And a lot of it, I mean, a huge part of it is due to the work that people in the alt-right and, you know, what would have passed for alt-right before the term came around have been doing.

00:48:15.140 But an even bigger thing, I guess you might call it a quickening agent, is this attack on everything white that's been going on. 0.86

00:48:24.740 Well, it's been going on for some time, but it's just come right out into the open and gotten supercharged in the last, what would you say, three or four years?

00:48:32.820 And it just gets worse every day.

00:48:34.620 It just became supercharged, yeah, absolutely.

00:48:38.340 Well, yeah, but I mean, yeah.

00:48:42.300 And I think that being under attack is, and don't get me wrong, it's not something I want happening in and of itself,

00:48:53.320 but it's one of the biggest things to our advantage in creating this white consciousness.

00:48:58.800 Because, you know, you had probably throughout the entire post-war era,

00:49:05.800 the closest thing that there ever came to what might have been a successful white identity movement

00:49:14.040 was right before George Lincoln Rockwell got killed, when he was transitioning out of the American Nazi Party thing

00:49:22.140 and becoming a regular, you know, which basically he did because it was the only way to get the media attention.

00:49:28.920 And he was transitioning out of that and becoming, you know, a regular American nationalist politician or whatever.

00:49:38.300 And he was assassinated shortly after that, after he started making that transition.

00:49:47.900 And since then, there hasn't really been any kind of movement like that.

00:49:52.040 But even with the Rockwell movement, one of the things that people who look back on this

00:49:57.420 and really, you know, think deeply about it and try to figure out why, you know,

00:50:02.540 when we had all this great advantage, when we had all this complete cultural superiority and numbers and demographics and all that,

00:50:11.500 why none of this ever took hold is because no one had the sense that as a group we were under attack.

00:50:19.120 And the people who would say, okay, now hold on, let's look, let's look at these statistics.

00:50:24.800 Because, like, even in the 1960s, people like David Duke were saying, okay, they passed this Immigration Act.

00:50:32.540 And if you look at the law and the way it works, within this many years, we're going to have this percentage of non-whites. 1.00

00:50:38.020 And by this many decades, we're going to be a minority, you know.

00:50:42.220 And people would poo-poo it because they walk out, you know, the people who knew that they were telling the truth

00:50:48.600 but wanted this to happen anyway, would poo-poo it in the media because they knew that when they did,

00:50:55.280 you know, your average Joe Sixpack guy, well, he hears both arguments on the Sunday morning news programs.

00:51:03.880 And then Monday morning, he gets his lunchbox and walks out the front door to go to work

00:51:07.960 and everybody everywhere is white with a few black people here and there.

00:51:11.340 And that sort of thing is what a lot of the people who look, the historians, for lack of a better word,

00:51:21.400 who look back on this stuff and try to figure out where it went wrong, why it wouldn't take hold,

00:51:26.040 and what needs to be done differently now.

00:51:28.020 I say, you know, that's the main thing that they had going against them was that nobody could see the threat.

00:51:33.460 But now we're becoming, I believe, a group with group interests by default because people who are white 1.00

00:51:45.920 who don't automatically hate themselves because they're white or don't automatically hate America

00:51:52.180 because it was founded by white people see themselves being cast into this big group.

00:51:58.520 And, of course, you have the backlash from, you know, the conservative types and everything who want to scream about,

00:52:05.120 oh, well, you know, anybody in the world, they're all the same as long as they come over here

00:52:09.600 and they have the Constitution, they're going to be just the same as the rest of us.

00:52:13.020 But that's not the majority.

00:52:15.520 Those people are the squeaky wheels. 0.97

00:52:17.340 And I believe the majority truly is a silent majority who's sitting there saying, okay, this is getting ridiculous.

00:52:23.500 And I'm really feeling attacked, and I'm feeling like my group is being attacked.

00:52:29.260 And I think that that is where you are presented with the opportunity to plant the seeds of white racial and cultural identity. 0.95

00:52:38.660 Tell me how I'm wrong with this.

00:52:40.680 Okay, so, you know, it's, you know, I like to, like, open up a dialogue

00:52:44.200 because that was a lot of stuff for me to, like, go through point by point.

00:52:50.180 But essentially, I would say, if you go back to and look at the Immigration Act of whatever it was, 1797 or whatever,

00:52:59.720 I would say that, you know, making the nation a sort of nation for free white men of good character, 0.55

00:53:07.620 I would look at that as an act of sort of political pragmatism to try and create a country

00:53:16.140 that would sort of forge an identity, a national identity.

00:53:22.480 You don't want a bunch of racial diversity if you're trying to forge a national identity. 0.99

00:53:27.320 And I, yeah, but I question how successful it really was because in sort of,

00:53:33.720 in sort of, I don't think what it did was create a sort of white identity, so to speak.

00:53:40.080 Like, I think that white identity exists, and obviously, in terms of race, 0.94

00:53:47.440 the continental races are very distinct, European, Asian, et cetera.

00:53:52.880 But I just think that white, trying to unite on the white race, 0.95

00:53:58.880 I think it's too sort of abstract.

00:54:02.420 It's too much, it's too big of a group for people to really unite.

00:54:07.720 Right, and what I mean by that is sort of like, go ahead.

00:54:11.600 Well, then what do you unite under?

00:54:15.520 Right, right, so the question is like, should it, is it a banner to unite under white identity?

00:54:22.300 I think it sort of is, but in the sense of like,

00:54:28.560 it's clearly inspired the people of the alt-right to action.

00:54:31.760 And I just, I don't think that it's sort of a specific or particular enough identity

00:54:39.400 to sort of unite and mobilize the sort of coalition we're going to need going forward.

00:54:45.100 The language itself, I find to be very limiting in just trying to appeal to normal American people.

00:54:52.360 That's my take on it.

00:54:54.220 Yeah.

00:54:54.400 Well, yeah, and of course, you know, this is all subjective.

00:54:58.740 But, you know, we started the show off by saying that we both identify as American nationalists,

00:55:05.820 but that we may mean something different about that.

00:55:08.120 And I think that comes into play here.

00:55:11.740 When I say American nationalist, I'm defining an American as a white person, 0.85

00:55:17.560 the same way it was defined in that Immigration Act.

00:55:21.500 And I think that a case can be made that's easily understood by the average normie white guy

00:55:29.220 that America is a white country and that being American does mean being white.

00:55:36.420 And it's not just a case that can be made by white people to white people.

00:55:42.040 One of the things that really finally spurred Daily Stormer to start taking this on

00:55:46.720 this is not only a case that can be made by white people to other white people.

00:55:52.960 This is a case that can and is being made by non-whites, by enemies of white racial identity 0.75

00:56:01.660 to whites.

00:56:04.140 And the thing that really spurred Daily Stormer into saying, okay, it's time.

00:56:08.980 It's time to move forward with this American nationalism thing was the whole take a knee movement 0.71

00:56:13.580 because it wasn't just the blacks taking a knee when the flag went up,

00:56:17.460 though that is some really stark symbolism and imagery you've got going on there when they do that.

00:56:24.640 It was all these Jewish journalists who started writing articles about, yeah, America really is a white country. 0.82

00:56:32.940 It was founded in white supremacy.

00:56:34.760 It has existed in white supremacy and it still exists in white supremacy and all this.

00:56:41.000 And I think that's where we take the springboard on that.

00:56:44.500 And I think it's a powerful message and that it has a lot of potential.

00:56:48.500 I think that at some point, if you're wanting to reestablish a white country, 1.00

00:56:54.800 you have to work towards establishing a cultural white identity or else it's just not going to happen.

00:57:02.940 Because as long as you don't have a vanguard of people who are out there evangelizing for this,

00:57:09.700 then you're going to end up with what I was talking about earlier,

00:57:12.880 which is where you have both sides of the political equation.

00:57:16.040 You have one side, the left, that's just completely openly anti-white,

00:57:22.020 that wants to destroy whiteness, as they say. 0.91

00:57:27.000 And they want to dismantle what they call white supremacy, 0.60

00:57:30.480 which is just a code word for our society,

00:57:33.260 having nothing to do really with white supremacy in the way they mean it anyway.

00:57:38.900 And on the right, what passes for the right,

00:57:42.780 you have what I was just talking about.

00:57:44.820 You have this conservative movement that not only says,

00:57:50.980 well, you know, as long as we get these people in public schools

00:57:55.280 and teach them about Thomas Jefferson and the Constitution,

00:57:57.540 they're going to be exactly the same as white people.

00:58:00.800 You know, they actually fetishize them. 0.93

00:58:03.080 I mean, there's nothing that these mainstream normie conservatives love more than a magic Negro 1.00

00:58:09.160 or minority outreach or, you know,

00:58:11.960 let's spend all our money trying to get the Hispanic vote and that kind of thing, 1.00

00:58:15.180 which is never going to happen to a great enough extent to justify what they're doing.

00:58:21.820 I think we need to have a big cultural push to have our right wing,

00:58:26.120 our Republican Party,

00:58:28.320 maybe not in the most explicit of terms,

00:58:32.300 but at least in somewhat more explicit terms,

00:58:35.680 say, yeah, you know, whites are a demographic, too,

00:58:41.960 and they have legitimate interests, too.

00:58:45.160 And we're here to represent those interests.

00:58:47.180 We're not just here to represent the special interests of every single group,

00:58:52.940 but white people, which is what we have going on.

00:58:55.980 That's exactly what you're doing.

00:58:56.980 Yeah, absolutely.

00:58:57.340 I think the point you make about the Republican Party is totally correct.

00:59:01.840 It has to represent its voting base.

00:59:04.780 And if you look at who votes Republican, it's probably 95.

00:59:08.780 You know, I had the number at one point.

00:59:10.640 I don't remember.

00:59:11.320 It's like 95% white.

00:59:13.320 And I would like to see that sort of explicit pro-white advocacy as well.

00:59:17.180 And like I said before, like, I think that we have to sort of assert our sort of self-determination for the country.

00:59:27.280 That's where I would agree with you on all those points.

00:59:31.160 Maybe my point is too much sort of on the propaganda side,

00:59:40.080 but I think that, like, I just feel like the way you just took white identity

00:59:48.080 and rooted it in sort of a country and a specific experience, America,

00:59:52.380 I really like that.

00:59:53.980 That's what I want to see.

00:59:54.880 Like, I just have a hard time when people are sort of doing this, like, general pro-white propaganda

01:00:01.340 with, like, weird foreign symbols and saying, like, we have to preserve our genes and stuff like that.

01:00:08.020 So I am sort of saying we have to particularize our identity in a common experience,

01:00:15.580 in a history, in a country of America.

01:00:19.120 So that's why I would agree with you.

01:00:20.820 So, yeah, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong there.

01:00:23.740 That's basically what I'm saying, and I agree with you that 100% that this fetishizing thing

01:00:35.160 where you have these groups with their Photoshop-created flags, weird-looking flags and all this,

01:00:43.460 having things like, especially when they're derivative of, say, minority movements,

01:00:51.020 like, you know, the last big march, unless there's been one that I missed, was called White Lives Matter.

01:00:58.120 And, you know, there's a group called White Lives Matter.

01:01:01.980 And I've always thought that that's just the cringiest thing ever.

01:01:05.820 It plays right into the trope from the left and the middle right that they like to throw at us.

01:01:14.700 You're no different from Black Lives Matter. 1.00

01:01:16.980 You're just grievance-mongering.

01:01:19.740 You want Gibbs from the government and all this stuff.

01:01:22.200 You blame your problems on everybody else.

01:01:24.740 Well, no, that's not what I want.

01:01:26.120 What I want, you know, if we were to, say, have some kind of a theoretical march or something,

01:01:33.880 I want to see all the people on my side flying the stars and stripes.

01:01:39.380 I want to see them looking like normal Americans.

01:01:41.980 And if the left attacks them, I want people who are watching that television to see the left attacking normal Americans with American flags.

01:01:49.280 I don't want, I mean, I don't want us imitating Black Lives Matter. 1.00

01:01:57.940 Everybody hates Black Lives Matter. 0.91

01:02:00.180 Why would you imitate Black Lives Matter? 0.97

01:02:02.400 And I think that white identity is absolutely rooted in American nationalism. 0.59

01:02:14.160 It's rooted right in this nation.

01:02:15.920 And not just, you know, as, say, an experience of the nation as we understand it now.

01:02:22.020 I mean, all of its various iterations and things, just like the Texas Revolution.

01:02:28.320 And I know you always have all these guys who want to come out that are kind of like what they call the Rainbow Confederates who want to try to claim, 0.96

01:02:35.320 well, the Confederates weren't racist and they had Black people fighting for them and all this.

01:02:40.040 You know, you always have these guys who want to say, well, you know, there were plenty of Mexicans fighting on the side of the Texans.

01:02:48.820 And in a very literal sense, that's true, but we're not talking about Aztec mestizos.

01:02:55.960 We're talking about Spaniard landowners who were basically white people.

01:03:01.200 And, I mean, for the vast majority of it.

01:03:06.320 And you had this stark, I mean, the Texas Revolution and then the Mexican War that followed it was this stark race war.

01:03:13.640 It was a war of, and now it was fought, but both sides were led by whites, but it was fought.

01:03:22.320 The soldiers fighting was basically Anglos versus mestizos and Aztecs.

01:03:30.160 And that's been the history of this country.

01:03:32.860 You know, it's been an expansion of European, mostly Anglo, which is why we speak English, of course, influence from one end of this continent to the other.

01:03:46.680 And the left agrees with us on that.

01:03:50.120 They attack us over that.

01:03:51.760 And one of the things that's important is to take that back from them and say, look, you know, I'm not ashamed of that.

01:03:57.800 I mean, if you think this country would be better if it was run by somebody else, then, hey, that's your problem, buddy, because I disagree.

01:04:05.080 That's something where even, like, a sliver of a chunk of minorities will agree with that.

01:04:10.400 Like, the Chinese don't want to come to America and be ruled by, like, Barack Obama.

01:04:16.060 They want, like, a, you know, like a white man.

01:04:18.620 It's like the Chinese, when they think of America, they think of, like, a Germanic-looking person, you know? 0.98

01:04:23.380 Yeah, so all that you said is, like, you know, I pretty much, I basically agree with what you're saying.

01:04:32.660 And I like how you're sort of rooting it in history, because what I see too often is people just say, oh, I'm like, okay, so what are you going to do to win this thing here?

01:04:42.360 They're like, all we're going to do is raise white racial consciousness and name the Jew, and America doesn't matter, sort of, all these, working with local politics, like, it's not going to work, or, you know, America's cucked, whatever. 0.83

01:05:02.140 And they don't want to root it in sort of, and acknowledge things like religion, and et cetera.

01:05:09.940 And they also say, I just, one of my problems with it is, if you're trying to translate this into, like, a political strategy here, you have to sort of acknowledge that just simply raising white racial consciousness isn't going to get the job done alone.

01:05:26.140 No, it absolutely doesn't.

01:05:29.400 Now, raising white racial consciousness in and of itself is always a good thing, if you're doing it properly, if you're doing it in a way that it actually raises that consciousness in a positive manner, and you actually know what you're talking about. 0.92

01:05:42.980 But in and of itself, it will accomplish next to nothing.

01:05:47.080 If you're talking about hardcore, just rubber-hits-the-road politics, actual electoral politics, and that sort of thing, you want to translate that white racial consciousness that you have raised into something concrete, such as, let's end affirmative action. 0.74

01:06:08.560 Let's end forced integration. 0.86

01:06:11.660 You know, that kind of thing.

01:06:12.980 Let's rescind the 1965 Immigration Act.

01:06:17.320 Let's deport the dream.

01:06:19.120 Let's institute trade protectionism. 0.83

01:06:23.700 Let's close the borders.

01:06:25.500 Yeah, all this stuff.

01:06:26.880 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:28.440 The point that I was trying to make on Gab a lot of the times is that, like, you have to go and appeal to people where they're at.

01:06:35.640 Like, if you're going to think – if you think you're just going to go and sort of – like, let's say I wanted to go canvassing in, like, a neighborhood.

01:06:45.200 Like, give me a random neighborhood.

01:06:46.540 Like, let's say an Italian neighborhood.

01:06:47.620 I'm not just going to go door to door and be like, we are whites.

01:06:52.120 Like, we're being genocided. 0.99

01:06:53.980 We better vote for this candidate because we're being genocided by the Jews. 1.00

01:06:58.280 Like, you have to understand that people's identity is more complex than that and that different appeals are going to work to different people.

01:07:08.380 And one of the things that – you know, I've been reading some, like, political books recently, and one of the insights is that people vote in terms of a social group.

01:07:19.500 They don't – and that social group does not translate into race a lot of times.

01:07:23.700 Like, all of the whites living in northern Virginia, like, they work for the federal government. 0.87

01:07:30.000 There's a class element of it.

01:07:31.460 There's a religion.

01:07:33.000 So when you want to go and win evangelical voters, you have to appeal to them as evangelicals, for instance.

01:07:40.080 When you want to go to the north, the upper Midwest, and win the support of a lot of white ethnics who are, let's say, working class.

01:07:49.920 Like, you have to make that appeal.

01:07:51.740 It's not enough to just go and say, guys, we're all in this together.

01:07:55.240 We're being genocided here.

01:07:56.600 We have to vote this way.

01:07:58.080 Like, even Trump, for instance, did worse with whites than Romney, if you believe the exit polls.

01:08:04.120 Well, I think one of the most stark examples of what you're talking about there, where people identify as groups, in all the different iterations it comes in, is, just say, teachers.

01:08:15.720 Right?

01:08:16.460 I mean –

01:08:16.860 Cosmopolitans.

01:08:17.700 Or –

01:08:18.560 Yeah, unions.

01:08:19.460 Anything with a union.

01:08:21.960 Yeah, but – and stuff like that.

01:08:24.840 But I think one of the broadest – but a lot of this stuff does translate to white, just not explicitly using the word.

01:08:36.240 When you talk about suburbanites or the middle class, okay, you're not talking about black people. 0.88

01:08:45.140 I mean, that's not to say there are no middle class blacks.

01:08:47.560 There certainly are.

01:08:48.580 You're talking about a group that's 95 or 90 percent white.

01:08:51.900 Yeah.

01:08:52.020 Right.

01:08:52.660 And those people are always hungry to have their interests represented.

01:08:59.880 And when their interests get represented enough that they feel that they have some – you know, a certain stake, as far as they have a little political power that their interests are being listened to, then you have the opportunity to start saying, okay, this interest is also a white interest. 0.53

01:09:21.740 And that's how I think you start building on these things, as well as, you know, doing the things like I'm talking about.

01:09:28.260 And I agree with you totally that you've got to have your class of philosophers and your class of politicians.

01:09:34.700 And I'm absolutely not the politician class.

01:09:39.280 I'm the philosopher class. 0.81

01:09:40.780 And I think most of the people who are shitposters on the internet are of that philosopher class.

01:09:45.940 And that's great. 0.92

01:09:47.380 We can never have too many of them.

01:09:49.260 But I think that we all need to have a certain amount of understanding of both sides of this so that the people who are, you know, so upset with you on Gab right now, they shouldn't be.

01:10:04.440 We should be able to work together and to bounce our ideas off each other the way that you and I are doing right now.

01:10:12.800 That's how we're going to move forward.

01:10:14.800 You know, we're not – I mean, we both have different missions.

01:10:19.760 And, you know, I consider what I do to be a hybrid thing because I'm not an Anon.

01:10:24.360 And I do go out in public, but I'm not running for office.

01:10:28.800 I'm the last person in the world who should ever run for office.

01:10:32.100 But I am a guy who shows up in public and I, you know, I do a weird combination of shitposting and being very serious in public.

01:10:42.800 And there's a lot of reasons for that.

01:10:44.260 You know, the shitposting aspect of it comes in not only because I enjoy it, but because I think it works.

01:10:50.460 And it's the way that you get enough attention to get in the media.

01:10:54.940 And as long as you're not running for office, it's really hard at this point to have bad publicity.

01:11:02.520 I mean, like when I got on the news in Houston and they asked me about Jerry Cushman, I said, well, gas him.

01:11:09.200 You know, that got me a whole lot of publicity.

01:11:13.840 But the people who heard that didn't just hear that.

01:11:16.800 They heard a lot of other stuff too.

01:11:18.360 And it brought something into the local news that's never there.

01:11:23.780 And that is, look at this group of white people standing here who are defending this monument from a bunch of the Sam Houston monument from a bunch of communists who say they're going to come out and take it down.

01:11:35.600 And this guy who's standing in front of it who just said this thing, this next thing that he said sounds true.

01:11:42.640 And that next thing was, you know, this doesn't have anything to do with slavery or any of that.

01:11:48.800 They want to take down this monument because he's a white hero and they want to destroy white history.

01:11:53.820 People need to hear that stuff, you know. 0.98

01:11:55.660 And so, and of course, you know, like I say, my job to a large extent is just to be a shitlord everywhere all the time.

01:12:06.380 And that's not something that most people should do, of course, but it works for me.

01:12:12.380 But I think there's a lot of value in what you're doing too.

01:12:16.900 We just, we've got to establish better lines of communication between the various factions of the alt-right.

01:12:22.480 But let me get to another thing.

01:12:24.580 I mean, I don't want to keep you on here too long.

01:12:26.260 I've had you on here a little over an hour.

01:12:28.340 Yeah, no, I'm ready to keep going.

01:12:30.480 Okay, okay.

01:12:32.080 Yeah, I'm not ready to leave.

01:12:33.400 One of the things that, the big criticisms that I see people directing at you is that, you know, you've become alt-right.

01:12:41.160 Now, I don't think you've become alt-right because it seems that one of the things that is a requirement,

01:12:48.820 or several of the things that are requirements of being alt-right now is that you have to constantly defend Jews.

01:12:56.300 You have to love Israel.

01:12:57.900 You have to be into diversity and gays and trannies and all this other stuff. 1.00

01:13:06.520 It's just basically you've become a neoconservative except you say you like Trump.

01:13:10.680 And it doesn't hurt if you're on the Alex Jones end of things but wacky, like a Cernovich type.

01:13:19.540 Now, would you lump yourself in there with the likes of Cernovich and Laura Loomer and all that?

01:13:26.600 Well, no, I would not lump myself in with the alt-right.

01:13:29.020 What I would say is that I – what I – I don't do this as much anymore because I'm on Gab, but when I was on Twitter,

01:13:36.940 one of the things that I was trying to do was translate this – so we've talked about the philosophers, the politicians,

01:13:45.700 but we haven't really talked about the propagandists.

01:13:49.180 And what I was trying to do was translate some of the philosophy into a propaganda that would reach masses of people.

01:13:56.880 And I did have a lot of success.

01:13:59.700 I did have to go and delete a lot of – I did have to go – I had to sort of start not using certain slurs anymore

01:14:06.880 because it would detract from the wide audience I was going to bring.

01:14:10.480 And not only that, it would bring the media down looking at sort of what I was doing.

01:14:15.380 And they could say, oh, look at this tweet he wrote one time, even though sometimes that's a good thing because you want the attention.

01:14:20.320 But I was trying to like strictly translate this philosophy into like a propaganda

01:14:24.460 that could reach broad amounts of people.

01:14:27.760 Now, I always say – and what I've been saying lately – now, at one point I was like, okay,

01:14:34.380 Alt-Light is really effective right now.

01:14:36.560 I actually think that they've lost a lot of their effectiveness because I think that they don't have enough –

01:14:43.700 they don't have a coherent ideology that they're pushing,

01:14:46.640 and that allows them to be pushed around on certain issues, like you said, with the diversity,

01:14:51.760 and they have to always be Zionist now.

01:14:55.100 So, yeah, I don't fall in that camp at all.

01:15:00.180 What I want to do is take what we've got and what our goals are and to translate this not only to a politics

01:15:07.600 but also like propaganda and finding the most effective propaganda.

01:15:13.520 And that's one of the things that Daily Stormer has been so good at is sort of A, B testing,

01:15:18.780 different types of messages, rhetoric, et cetera.

01:15:22.060 And I think that's what I was trying to do.

01:15:25.940 And that's one of my critiques of a lot of the – like some of the propaganda or a lot of it I see.

01:15:31.480 I think a lot of it falls flat, especially the white identity propaganda.

01:15:35.540 And I think a lot of it falls flat.

01:15:39.280 And so that's where I'm coming from with that.

01:15:42.240 Yeah.

01:15:43.600 And I can see that too.

01:15:45.060 And you see a lot of a split in the alt-light that's going on where you have a very few people in it who –

01:15:54.920 you know, the alt-light has basically – most people are calling it the merchant right now

01:16:01.360 because the characters like Cernovich and Lauren Southern and such like that that are in it,

01:16:07.660 they're basically in it for as much money as they can get out of it.

01:16:12.720 And, well, with Cernovich, I'm 100% certain that's what it is.

01:16:18.880 With Lauren Southern, that's the assumption. 0.96

01:16:22.100 Of course, her being a female, all the adulation and attention has a lot to do with it too. 1.00

01:16:27.140 But you have some characters within it who might have had a little bit more of a cohesive ideology

01:16:37.200 or who are developing one who are kind of splitting off to the side.

01:16:42.860 Like, you know, you've got Faith Goldie who, since around the time of Charlottesville,

01:16:48.460 when she came on my show there in Charlottesville and all that,

01:16:51.620 and then she got fired from Rebel Media, even though – I mean, I haven't heard her comment on it recently,

01:16:59.720 but I assume she's still a staunch Zionist.

01:17:02.540 But she's also explicitly and openly identifying as an ethno-nationalist and saying things like,

01:17:09.120 you know, she's Canadian, that Canada needs to remain a white country, 0.99

01:17:13.720 that they need to stop all this non-white immigration, that it's bad and all that. 1.00

01:17:17.420 And doesn't just draw it on the safe lines that people like to draw it on, like Muslim or whatever. 0.63

01:17:26.680 You know, she talks about it explicitly in terms of race and IQ and culture and all that.

01:17:33.680 And – but unfortunately, the ones like her who are – you know, and like I say,

01:17:40.240 if she's still a staunch Zionist, then certainly she's still not in our camp completely.

01:17:46.700 But that – but she – with all this other stuff, she's what you'd call a fellow traveler,

01:17:50.260 but she still hasn't come all the way into being truly our gal.

01:17:54.620 You know, as much as I like a lot of the work she does.

01:17:57.600 But the – I would say it's at least 95% of the alt-white that falls into that other camp. 0.66

01:18:04.780 And you have – even the ones that formerly people in the alt-right really liked

01:18:11.900 have really shown their hand, like this Jordan Peterson, who is – you know, his main thing is free speech.

01:18:19.300 And then, you know, all of a sudden now it's like, well, free speech for everybody except Nazis, 0.83

01:18:24.420 and Nazis being anybody who talks about anything from a racial point of view.

01:18:29.380 So that's what we've got with this alt-right.

01:18:32.680 And I think, you know, they're done.

01:18:36.400 They've been done for a while, and most people didn't realize it.

01:18:40.140 And I think now the only people who don't realize how done they are are themselves, you know,

01:18:46.700 because they can still look and they're like, well, okay, I got 20,000 views on this last YouTube upload,

01:18:52.280 or, you know, Cernovich with his constant Twitter stats and all that stuff.

01:19:00.580 But that stuff's all coming to an end, and I think their influence is ebbing.

01:19:06.040 I think the alt-right has been on cruise control since Charlottesville.

01:19:12.660 I think that we still have a huge influence.

01:19:19.860 I think that we're still moving forward.

01:19:22.360 I just don't think we're doing it very quickly, and I think that everybody is trying to regroup,

01:19:30.880 or at least the people who really made this movement and want to see it succeed

01:19:37.700 and don't have some kind of an ulterior motive like, I have to be the leader of it, you know, or something like that.

01:19:44.080 But, you know, we're all sitting back here and just racking our brains saying, okay, what is the next direction to go in?

01:19:55.240 Of course, you know, I'm going with this type of American nationalism that I'm talking about with you.

01:20:00.720 That's what Daily Stormer's been going with.

01:20:02.480 It sounds like you're on a very similar page to that.

01:20:06.960 What are your thoughts on this?

01:20:08.500 I mean, because, you know, we both agree that Charlottesville, in the aggregate, was a negative.

01:20:16.260 Now, I say that it had to happen, it was going to happen, and that a lot of good came out of it.

01:20:23.980 Yeah, it was absolutely inevitable, and a lot of good came out of it, but the good does not outweigh the negative, at least at this time.

01:20:32.180 I mean, we can never predict, I mean, you know, over time, as we get our message out, you know, like, once Daily Stormer maintains a URL long enough that we have our full readership back and, you know, we get a lot of the other people who've been deplatformed, get their viewerships and listenerships back and stuff like that, to where we can really start getting our side back out about it.

01:20:59.080 But, you know, a lot more good may come of it, and a lot of it's happening now.

01:21:03.760 I mean, even the people like that Charlottesville hired have come out in their report saying, yeah, this was the fault of Charlottesville, the city, you know, and that kind of thing.

01:21:14.280 But what are your thoughts on, and I don't want to focus too much on the things we've been talking about, because we've been talking about terminology and that kind of thing, strategy.

01:21:30.200 Yeah.

01:21:30.400 Where do we move forward here?

01:21:32.320 What is the next move for the alt-right?

01:21:34.720 No, I actually was talking a little bit about this on Campbell's show, so I think that, you know, I think that we have a lot of really effective content creators, and what they're doing is, like, really good and effective, and a lot of it's effective.

01:21:52.720 Like, I was criticizing some of the bad propaganda a moment ago, but we have a lot of good propaganda.

01:21:59.140 We have a lot of good stuff going on.

01:22:00.760 I would say, like, I would ask myself, if I'm 18 years old, or if you're an 18-year-old, does it do any good for you to go to, like, to start, like, shitposting under your real name, or going to, like, Unite the Right, and then just your family disowns you?

01:22:19.060 And so I say, read whatever, The Daily Stormer, listen to the podcast, but start thinking about how do we move, like, we have to admit, like, a lot of us are, like, fringe characters.

01:22:32.080 How do we take the young people who really like the message, how do they go out and translate that into having and starting to have an impact on their local communities and networking and building off of that?

01:22:45.320 So, and, you know, that's where you start really getting into the practical politics.

01:22:51.560 It's more effective, it's going to be more effective if we are able to actually infiltrate these structures and get our people into office, get our people into positions of influence.

01:23:05.180 Like, I'll give you an example.

01:23:07.840 Ann Coulter doesn't need to say, I want an ethnostate in order to be a really good propagandist for what we've been doing. 0.72

01:23:13.180 She doesn't need to go out and say that.

01:23:16.620 Like, we need people like this who maybe they agree with all this other stuff but are able to infiltrate and get into the mainstream and start having dialogue so that we can sort of win some of these battles.

01:23:27.020 Like I say, one of the major battles we have to win right now, and we can do this while appealing to a broad swath of people, is attacking this notion that diversity is a social good.

01:23:37.420 We have not only the social science behind us, but we have people's real life experience behind us.

01:23:43.640 People who experience diversity, they realize this, and they would be very open to a message of saying, is diversity really a social good?

01:23:51.680 Should our universities really be promoting diversity?

01:23:55.480 Should our federal government be promoting it?

01:23:57.560 Should they be promoting affirmative action? 0.96

01:23:59.520 And all this stuff, is it really in – should we have this massive bureaucracy and this massive federal apparatus promoting diversity and all this crap?

01:24:11.480 Is it even good to have it in our immigration policy?

01:24:14.060 So I think that's where we need to start going, and I think that all of the people, I would say these sort of effective people on the right, the content creators, just have to keep sort of doing what they're doing.

01:24:26.200 But we also want to sort of start saying, guys, can anyone sort of do this?

01:24:30.840 Can anyone sort of build this structure?

01:24:33.720 Can we go into local politics?

01:24:35.160 Can we network with our local people and start getting in there with a message that is going to take hold?

01:24:41.920 And I think it's a Trumpist message, to be honest with you.

01:24:45.120 When we go into practical politics, I think it's more of a Trumpist message.

01:24:49.720 So that's what I would say is sort of the next step in what needs to happen.

01:24:54.900 Okay.

01:24:56.620 And I'd like to add to that.

01:24:59.440 I think we need to start building our own infrastructures.

01:25:03.240 And I know that that's a huge and in a lot of aspects monumental, if not impossible, tasks.

01:25:10.540 But, you know, we see a lot of that with what's going on with alt tech right now.

01:25:14.700 You know, we have things like PewTube, the alternative to YouTube, and we have Gab.

01:25:20.400 And, of course, these things are still dependent on larger infrastructures that we don't control.

01:25:26.980 But we need to have long-term goals to not have to be dependent all the time on, you know, institutions that on a whim can just silence us.

01:25:43.480 And hopefully this getting rid of net neutrality is a signal that we may be having some type of regulation in the future that provides us a little protection from that.

01:25:57.980 But, yeah, I want to say, and we're not done here.

01:26:01.120 I want to go to some questions and comments from Gab.

01:26:06.900 But before I do, I want to say that I've really appreciated everything that's been said here.

01:26:13.140 And we did have some disagreements.

01:26:14.900 But I want everybody to notice that we didn't have to get mad at each other to have these disagreements, that they're honest disagreements.

01:26:21.360 And the more we discussed it, the more or the less we actually disagreed about.

01:26:27.960 So, first off, the first question that I've got for you is from Jenny Jenkins.

01:26:37.040 That's at Fash Wave Jenny on Gab.

01:26:41.260 She says, Milo is not fully embraced by the right because of his flamboyant homosexuality and failure to disavow pederasty.

01:26:49.900 How do you, she's asked you, Ricky Vaughn, how do you reconcile being a gay Jew and leader of the alt-right? 0.94

01:26:59.060 How does stuff like Twinks for Trump or the Ricky plan of rebranding CivNet push Overton Window in our direction?

01:27:06.600 So, before you answer that question, I want to ask you my own question, which is the reason I brought this up.

01:27:12.500 Are you, in fact, Archie Vaughn?

01:27:13.200 Okay, I'm glad you asked this question.

01:27:15.540 The answer is an unequivocal no.

01:27:19.900 I knew from the beginning you weren't Art Tavanna.

01:27:26.640 And I think that a lot of the reason for that is that, as we said at the beginning of the show, I've known you for so long.

01:27:34.400 And I think that if you had been secretly a gay Jew, I would have noticed something a long time ago that would have made me suspicious. 1.00

01:27:42.580 But going into that, Fabius Mansomas asks, what is your complete ethnicity? 0.87

01:27:51.180 That's an interesting question.

01:27:52.400 Okay, great question.

01:27:53.440 I mean, I am fully 100% European.

01:27:56.860 Now, I could go into the details.

01:28:00.240 Northwestern European, to be more specific, 100%.

01:28:04.660 Okay, good deal.

01:28:06.220 So, no sorority Sicilian or anything like that.

01:28:09.560 No Irish. 1.00

01:28:13.340 Okay, okay, gotcha, gotcha.

01:28:16.380 Okay, let's see.

01:28:18.920 Let me scroll through these.

01:28:21.500 And, I mean, most of these are just, I was hoping that this wouldn't happen.

01:28:25.680 But most of these are just either accusations or, okay, here's one.

01:28:31.760 Here's a, here's an easy question.

01:28:33.440 Excellent.

01:28:33.920 This is from Jack, who is at CRISPR Tech on Gab, at C-R-I-S-P-R-T-E-K.

01:28:41.480 Hello, Ricky.

01:28:42.400 What is your opinion on how to deal with crippling censorship the left is now implementing on all dissident right people, including softer voices such as Jared Taylor?

01:28:53.080 Keeping our voices heard will be paramount in 2018 onward.

01:28:57.260 What do you think we can do in the short term?

01:29:00.180 Okay, great question.

01:29:01.240 So, first of all, we have to get behind some of these legal efforts, like for the people, the political prisoners in Charlottesville, because a lot of that is going to defend.

01:29:13.440 And they're defending free, whatever we think of the optics and et cetera, et cetera.

01:29:18.880 What these people are doing is they're going and sort of trying to exercise their freedom of speech, their freedom of assembly.

01:29:26.380 So, we have to prove, we can donate to those efforts and support them however we can.

01:29:32.740 So, there's the legal aspect of it.

01:29:35.060 And we can donate to these legal efforts.

01:29:36.940 I know that there's an Antifa who was recently forced to pay $11,000 in legal fees for a frivolous lawsuit in California.

01:29:45.580 So, I would say that's…

01:29:47.240 That's Yvette Falarca.

01:29:48.820 Yeah, exactly, Yvette Falarca.

01:29:50.320 She looks like she's 18, but she's like 45. 1.00

01:29:54.400 But anyway, she's like a teacher.

01:29:56.720 So, this woman is like a communist teacher. 0.99

01:29:58.940 She doesn't get fired. 0.52

01:29:59.860 You can imagine what would happen if there was an all-right teacher.

01:30:03.200 She just got fired in Maryland or wherever. 1.00

01:30:07.240 So, it's kind of ridiculous. 0.58

01:30:08.740 But anyway, that's a different thing, the double standard.

01:30:10.560 So, the legal efforts and supporting that and a lot of people donated to Andrew Anglin's legal defense because we really have to fight digital platform censorship.

01:30:22.280 We need to fight – we need to lobby the federal government like the FCC in things like, you know, can we get this sort of Paul Nealon's really good legislation patch, shall not censor?

01:30:41.620 Can we make – in the Supreme Court, they've already started having a few debates in the Supreme Court about whether social media is a public square where we have like a First Amendment taking place so that we have First Amendment rights.

01:30:56.900 And we need like to – a legal or a legal effort there if we can get some of these people like Roger Stone to sue and actually have like a good legal case, good lawyers, not like a publicity stunt, like something that we think we can win, that kind of thing.

01:31:13.060 I think that's the biggest thing.

01:31:14.260 And then like you said, Asbro, the all-tech, can we build these alternative platforms?

01:31:20.000 Like we want to replace these platforms where we're not able to have our views shared openly like YouTube, Twitter.

01:31:29.820 Can we replace or compete with some of these platforms?

01:31:33.800 So, those are the things I would say.

01:31:36.200 Well, I'm glad that you brought up the legal aspect because that one affects me personally.

01:31:41.700 You know, the big lawsuit that the city of Charlottesville themselves joined in on, I'm named in that lawsuit.

01:31:49.600 I'm being sued by this giant Jewish law firm out of New York that they're so invested in this lawsuit that they've opened up offices in Charlottesville, Virginia. 0.55

01:32:01.980 And it's a big federal lawsuit where they're claiming that because I came to Charlottesville with the intent to give a speech that helicopters fell out of the sky, cars crashed into peaceful protesters, and people had strokes three days later.

01:32:18.760 And, you know, at some point, I will be trying to raise some money.

01:32:26.420 But the problem is the main platform that we could use to raise money on, Hatrion, I've never been on it.

01:32:34.940 And by the time I tried to register for it, the thing was down.

01:32:37.920 I don't know what's down about it.

01:32:40.060 But, I mean, it's, you know, you go log on there.

01:32:44.380 Right.

01:32:44.860 Well, okay.

01:32:45.960 That's one of the problems.

01:32:47.780 Right.

01:32:49.420 But when I got on there and tried to set up an account, you know, it let me set up the account.

01:32:55.980 And then when I went to start a project, which I was going to hook my attorney's legal account to, just until the money go directly to that, I couldn't do it because it said they're down for maintenance.

01:33:10.140 And it's been saying that for over a month.

01:33:12.200 I would say try Freestarter, Chuck Johnson's thing.

01:33:15.760 Freestarter?

01:33:16.280 Okay.

01:33:16.880 Okay.

01:33:16.980 Never.

01:33:17.300 Freestarter with no E, like Freestart R.

01:33:19.900 Maybe try that.

01:33:20.700 Oh, okay.

01:33:21.260 I'll check.

01:33:21.560 You could create a project.

01:33:22.640 I'll check that out.

01:33:22.960 You could even create, like, a monthly donation to support your legal efforts or whatever.

01:33:27.760 Yeah, it's funny because –

01:33:28.920 Oh, I'll check –

01:33:29.400 Yeah, go ahead.

01:33:31.320 I'll check that out.

01:33:32.400 I hadn't heard of that one.

01:33:33.620 But it's not just me.

01:33:36.000 I mean, I'm bringing this up because it is my show.

01:33:39.200 But, I mean, like, this stuff is so expensive.

01:33:41.640 And this is how they want to shut us down.

01:33:43.260 You know, the SPLC that's suing Anglin, and they call it that.

01:33:48.460 In interviews on mainstream media, the head of the SPLC, Potok, and the other guy, they come out and they say –

01:33:59.420 they openly say, we have been suing these people out of existence since the 1970s.

01:34:04.500 So, I mean, they're just flat-out admitting that they're abusing a legal process, not to right wrongs, not to get a red dress of any kind of damage, but to silence groups that oppose their interest.

01:34:17.220 And that's exactly what's going on here.

01:34:19.840 I mean – 0.99

01:34:20.340 And Andy, if I did that, you should be able to countersuit for this bullshit. 1.00

01:34:24.240 I mean, it's ridiculous. 0.98

01:34:24.960 Yeah, well, I mean, but the problem with it is the expense because, you know, I've been – because I've had a problem finding a way to get funding for this, I've been paying this out of my own pocket.

01:34:38.240 And just a few months of it has almost broken me.

01:34:40.920 So, hopefully the people –

01:34:43.340 It's absolutely obscene.

01:34:45.300 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:46.220 And it's not me blaming my lawyers because, believe me, they – you know, the lawyers that I have are really into this.

01:34:51.700 They're real free speech guys, and they're really opposed to what Charlottesville and the other people in this lawsuit are doing.

01:34:58.920 And so, you know, they're working with us as much as humanly possible.

01:35:03.340 But there's so much expense involved that, you know, they have to pay out of pocket.

01:35:07.840 I mean, it costs tons of money to file this stuff.

01:35:10.180 They have to have a staff and all that.

01:35:11.760 But so, hopefully – not to harp on that too long – hopefully when I do get a platform to get some legal donations for this, the listeners will donate to that.

01:35:22.560 But not only to me, to everybody.

01:35:24.260 And as bad as my lawsuit thing is, that's nothing compared to guys like Cantwell and, you know, the other people who have been arrested and charged with criminal stuff.

01:35:36.300 Right.

01:35:36.780 And who are looking at losing their freedom over, basically, self-defense.

01:35:42.040 So, you know, it's a whole big thing.

01:35:44.440 I would say – let's get on to –

01:35:45.940 Let's think, like, a little bigger even.

01:35:47.520 Like, who's going to start the SPLC for our side?

01:35:51.340 Like, I know that we have a guy doing great work for NPI or whatever.

01:35:55.920 Like, I forget his name, but he's, like, sort of –

01:35:58.520 Kyle Bristow.

01:35:59.480 This guy's doing great work.

01:36:00.420 Like, how do we build – can he – like, how do we build an SPLC for our team, an ADL for our side?

01:36:06.980 These people collect $100 million a year or something ridiculous in, like, tax-deductible donations.

01:36:14.280 So, if we could have someone who's got the – who's really competent and who gives people a lot of confidence in donating to them, can they create this sort of organization?

01:36:26.380 I don't know.

01:36:27.100 It would be great if they did.

01:36:29.220 And then they would provide legal defense services free of charge because they're making so much money in donations.

01:36:34.720 Yeah, absolutely.

01:36:36.140 And these are all things we need to look at.

01:36:39.820 Okay, let's get on to the next question.

01:36:41.820 And Titus, who is at Titus G., has two quick questions for you.

01:36:47.800 He says – his first question is, if we can't keep Indians and – if we can't keep Indians and Chinese out, which I question the legitimacy of that, but just assuming.

01:36:59.020 If we can't keep Indians and Chinese out, but we can solve the problems with low IQ, illegal immigration, and birthright citizenship, which he's talking about Mexicans there. 1.00

01:37:10.780 Okay.

01:37:11.000 How upset would you be by this outcome?

01:37:13.420 He's wanting to know how upset you would be if we were able to keep out the Mexicans and end birthright citizenship, but we just basically had to throw the border open to Indians and Chinese. 0.99

01:37:25.840 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:37:26.440 Now, this is one of the massive problems with the merit-based immigration argument, which is arguably an improvement over what we have.

01:37:32.780 It's an improvement, but we don't want a bunch of people who are able to get in on the merit who are just going to further add to this sort of diversity in this country and the loss of identity and the loss of sort of a coherent nation.

01:37:48.220 So that would be extremely bad, in my opinion.

01:37:51.600 We have to work towards – maybe merit-based immigration is a transition step, but we have to work towards really getting a hold of the immigration system.

01:38:01.480 Whatever we have to do, abolish the H-1Bs. 1.00

01:38:03.560 We have to restrict the legal immigration to some tiny amount.

01:38:09.740 So, yeah, that would be very bad, in my opinion.

01:38:11.580 Yeah, I mean, this goes back to the – what we were talking about earlier, about the left and the right, having – each having this paradigm that doesn't work towards any type of ethnic nationalist interest.

01:38:24.260 It reminds me of this old meme from about 2014, where on the left, you had Keith Olbermann, and he's saying, we have to eliminate borders and let anyone who wants to come in here come in here because to do otherwise is racist, Nazi KKK.

01:38:41.980 And then on the right, you've got Sean Hannity, who says, no, we have to end illegal immigration and brown the country with legal immigration.

01:38:53.540 In the middle, you've got two children saying, why do they both want our genocide?

01:38:59.880 And, you know, I agree with you on that.

01:39:04.300 Okay, his – what we need – and I'm not even saying – this is probably not doable right – well, not probably.

01:39:13.480 It's absolutely not doable right at this moment, but it's something we could work towards.

01:39:17.060 You know, the 1924 Immigration Act was specifically designed to not alter the ethnic balance of the country.

01:39:24.680 And if we were able to get something like that instituted in the foreseeable future, we could probably, after that, once we stabilized the ethnic balance – like, just say, you know, America's 62% non-Jewish, non-Hispanic white. 0.61

01:39:42.560 And we were able to say, okay, it's going to stay that way.

01:39:45.120 The immigration is going to be made to make it stay that way. 0.99

01:39:47.800 Like, once we had a stable white population for a while, we could probably actually work towards something where we say, you know, I think we're going to pass a law where we have a favorable class of immigration, and that comes from Northwest Europe.

01:39:59.660 Yeah.

01:39:59.980 You know, something like that.

01:40:01.580 What you need to do is pack the courts, which we're very happy that Trump is doing, and then secondly, repeal the 1965 Legislation Act.

01:40:14.460 And that way we – but one of the problems is, like, to do this, we have to break the mainstream notion, which is diversity is our strength.

01:40:27.900 We want these diverse people coming in because it's going to somehow make us stronger, and it's illegal to discriminate by nationality when setting immigration policy.

01:40:38.960 So there's three things there.

01:40:39.940 Not only do you have to change the culture so that people are like, oh, you know what, like, maybe I don't – you know, maybe I like my, you know, diverse neighbors or whatever.

01:40:49.280 But you know what?

01:40:49.900 It's not a strength.

01:40:51.580 And maybe we should change the immigration law.

01:40:55.780 Yeah.

01:40:56.180 So that, you know, you're – so that we're only letting in people who love our country.

01:41:01.640 And then you could make it more explicit as if it becomes more politically palatable.

01:41:05.040 If you change the culture and make it politically palatable, then you can openly advocate for that position.

01:41:10.580 So, yeah, absolutely.

01:41:12.260 Yeah.

01:41:13.280 Okay.

01:41:13.680 Now, his second question is, will a Middle America coalition either need or encourage a revitalized Christianity?

01:41:23.240 Oh, that's a great question.

01:41:25.960 I think that sort of in the short term, we have to deal with people where they're at.

01:41:32.380 Like, we have to realize that, oh, there's a certain sliver of the percentage that is not that religious or whatever.

01:41:39.120 But, yeah, I think that we need to encourage a religious identity and a sort of restoration of that.

01:41:46.260 Well, I think so, too.

01:41:49.020 And I think that one of the things that's really overlooked is that you have so many people who may not be religious in the sense that they believe in the supernatural aspect of it,

01:42:00.660 but who are like Richard Spencer when he says, I'm culturally Christian.

01:42:06.460 You know, I believe in the morality and the mores of it.

01:42:10.040 You know, I think people – which, I mean, he didn't say this, but I'm extrapolating from it.

01:42:14.380 I think, you know, a man should marry a woman and they should stay married and, you know, that kind of thing. 0.99

01:42:20.080 Women shouldn't go around being sluts. 1.00

01:42:22.920 You know. 0.99

01:42:24.060 I would say that's like a good transition step because unfortunately we have right now is that we have this culture of cool where, you know,

01:42:33.180 the highest virtue in our culture, and it's sort of a sickening or sad thing, is to be cool.

01:42:38.440 And a lot of people are not – if they're like, oh, I'm a devout Christian, they're just going to feel really uncool about it, which is unfortunate.

01:42:46.080 People should not feel that way.

01:42:47.720 But if we can get them into a transition period where they're saying, oh, you know, I'm a cultural Christian,

01:42:53.280 I think that the ethics are good, the values are good, even if I'm not like, you know, the most firm believer.

01:42:58.000 Yeah.

01:42:59.460 Well, I'm looking through the questions that we've got here, and I believe I have asked all the ones that have not – that we haven't already addressed.

01:43:11.100 I mean, you know, we've got a few in here.

01:43:13.080 Well, I'll let you address this one.

01:43:17.180 Great.

01:43:17.520 But this is – this guy is really mad at you, so you probably will recognize who it is.

01:43:24.460 Okay.

01:43:24.740 Fabius Mansomas.

01:43:26.060 Yeah, my favorite guy.

01:43:27.060 He's my favorite guy.

01:43:28.080 Oh, okay.

01:43:28.680 Okay.

01:43:28.960 No, I'm kidding.

01:43:31.720 He's quoting you here, and he has your post linked.

01:43:37.540 The quote is, America will become a neo-Brazil if the right retreats into the ghettos of explicit ethno-nationalist advocacy.

01:43:48.320 And he says, this kike is pro. 1.00

01:43:51.800 This what?

01:43:52.560 And he's got kike is pro. 1.00

01:43:54.940 Okay.

01:43:54.960 He's referring to you.

01:43:56.520 And in the triple parentheses, he has re-quoted retreats into the ghettos of explicit ethno-nationalist advocacy.

01:44:04.960 I mean, we've already talked about that pretty much at length, but I mean, the way that he's got you phrasing it here, would you like to address that really quickly?

01:44:13.740 Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

01:44:15.300 So I actually do sort of believe that.

01:44:17.820 Like, I do think that we have to be very careful about sort of marginalizing ourselves and retreating into a ghetto of sort of – and I said explicitly ethno-nationalist advocacy.

01:44:34.240 Now, you know, I would draw – like, it doesn't bother me at all sort of the stuff that's going on with Daily Storm.

01:44:42.980 I think it's very effective.

01:44:43.740 What I would say is that if we're trying to transition politically and we're sticking with this language that is very abstract and very intellectualized and very sort of marginalizing because it just doesn't appeal to a lot of people.

01:44:59.780 We're going to go down the same path as sort of the conservative movement where they won the election in 1980, Ronald Reagan did, with all this like – he was saying all this conservative rhetoric.

01:45:12.640 It was all very nice.

01:45:14.020 Now, they don't – what they don't realize is that he also won the election with nationalist rhetoric and populist rhetoric.

01:45:20.000 But what happened after 1980 was the conservatives retreated back into this backwater where they were only talking about – they were only talking to themselves and they were using language like, we have to – we have to have free markets.

01:45:35.760 Free trade is always good.

01:45:38.500 What else were they saying?

01:45:40.560 Lower taxes, lower taxes, lower taxes.

01:45:42.760 Like, we need to have total individual liberty sort of at the expense of any sort of communal or group identity and that these people were totally marginalized and really ineffective and they did not have any ability to affect the political conversation.

01:46:04.160 And we saw that in 2016 very explicitly, the complete and total failure of these people to say, Donald Trump is not a true conservative.

01:46:16.160 You must vote against him.

01:46:17.300 And they were completely blown out of the water.

01:46:19.740 So I don't want us to see us go down that road where we're retreating into echo chambers and not sort of able to have a debate with the mainstream.

01:46:29.980 Yeah, and unfortunately, it's not just this road that we're talking about in answering this question.

01:46:37.760 It's also the road that you bring up.

01:46:40.700 Unfortunately, this has happened since Trump got elected to it.

01:46:45.680 I don't blame Trump necessarily for it.

01:46:48.360 I do to a certain extent because he does have the bully pulpit.

01:46:52.100 But, you know, we had a whole year go by and the only thing that they were able to accomplish was a tax reform bill.

01:46:58.840 And I'm not saying that the tax reform bill is a bad thing.

01:47:03.060 To be honest with you, I'm not one of these people who will look at it and say, oh, I can tell you right now, this is going to make everything better or worse.

01:47:12.180 I'm going to sit back and wait and see what happens.

01:47:14.440 But, you know, these are not, you know, tweaking tax reform.

01:47:24.980 That's not the type of thing that got Trump elected.

01:47:27.920 If all anybody had been concerned about was tax reform, they would have gone and voted for Cruz or Bush or somebody.

01:47:35.880 Right, exactly.

01:47:36.460 The things that people were worried about was build the wall, deport them all.

01:47:42.240 And, you know, I was one of the first people to just absolutely say that Trump was going to be president.

01:47:48.820 And that was when he announced for president and he started talking about immigration. 0.99

01:47:53.720 And he said, you know, the Mexicans are rapists. 1.00

01:47:58.000 I said, he said Mexicans are rapists. 1.00

01:48:00.860 All right, right. 0.99

01:48:02.120 Nice to meet you, Mr. President.

01:48:04.100 And I never backed off from then on. 0.97

01:48:07.280 And I don't literally mean that because he said Mexicans are rapists that that's what got him elected.

01:48:14.440 It was that willingness to signal towards the traditional American interests and to push back against this anti-American globalist interest that had just completely taken over both parties.

01:48:34.000 And if he is going to be a successful president, if he is going to if there's not going to be just a bloodbath in the midterms, they're going to have to get some of that Trump agenda passed.

01:48:47.680 And the Trump agenda, even though, I mean, of course, he was running for president, so he had a tax program and he and all this other stuff.

01:48:55.920 But I mean, if the next big thing that they talk about is welfare reform or something like that, and it's not a wall or it's not immigration reform.

01:49:08.540 And by immigration reform, I mean, like, OK, we're going to end this birthright citizenship or we're going to cut the number every year from one million to five hundred thousand.

01:49:18.720 And we're going to end chain migration at the same time if they if they don't at least make a valiant effort at getting something like that done, whether they can get it done or not, they're not going to you're not going to see what anybody on our side wants to see in this election.

01:49:35.760 And I think if he would push real hard on this stuff, even if the really hardcore cucks would like, you know, Lindsey Graham and all went to pushing back on this stuff, that would be OK because you'd see him get primaried.

01:49:52.040 But instead, you know, it seems like we're playing this, you know, he's getting gaslighted by the same thing that has gaslighted conservative presidents in the past where they say, look, you can't get that passed.

01:50:04.260 It's going to make you look weak.

01:50:05.560 Yeah.

01:50:05.840 So let's get out there and let's pass the things that we can pass.

01:50:09.720 And that's how the the neocons and the left get their way every time when there's a Republican elected.

01:50:18.760 Because this isn't the first time you had the the 2011 and the 2014 midterms and all that.

01:50:26.380 And these things, there were all these nationalist promises.

01:50:30.520 Right.

01:50:30.800 And you got these Republican majorities and then nothing happened.

01:50:35.760 And that's what that's you know, that a lot of that frustration is what fueled Trump right in the office.

01:50:40.640 Absolutely.

01:50:41.040 So it's it's really make or break time.

01:50:44.160 And the alt-right needs to really get behind Trump and push him on these issues.

01:50:49.900 Oh, yeah.

01:50:50.600 I couldn't agree more.

01:50:51.500 This is make or break time right now with Trump.

01:50:55.360 What you have in the DACA negotiations, it really is make or break.

01:51:00.760 Like, I mean, if he fails on this and if he gives if he if he comes up with a bad deal, then I say, you know, he's going to fail in the midterms coming up.

01:51:10.600 Um, and so unfortunately, you know, we have this situation with this, this Congress.

01:51:17.320 It's really frustrating.

01:51:18.680 Like, I would say this on the administrative side.

01:51:22.100 Trump, as far as I'm concerned, is sort of hitting all the right notes on immigration reform, especially if he finds a way which might be a legally difficult thing to do to stop renewing.

01:51:34.680 So, uh, what do you call it?

01:51:36.240 H-1-Bs. 1.00

01:51:37.580 He's trying to, like, stop renewing H-1-Bs so that five so that half a million Indians have to leave the country. 0.70

01:51:42.600 Now, I haven't followed through on that.

01:51:44.160 And it might be challenged legally, but I hope he's able to do it.

01:51:46.660 But the big thing is, unfortunately, we have these senators and they sort of believe this Cato bullshit about, oh, a Republican senator the other day, Senator Langford, said, oh, illegal immigration is good because it helps lubricate the job market. 0.99

01:52:04.500 It's like some total bullshit, corn in. 0.99

01:52:07.280 It's so, it's unbelievable that these people can get elected. 1.00

01:52:11.200 But, so Trump is-

01:52:11.900 Well, do you think that they really, do you think that they really believe that? 0.96

01:52:15.720 Or do you think that they, they see that as a really, really, like, wizard level line of bullshit that they can use to justify doing the bidding of their donors? 0.88

01:52:26.660 Oh, yeah, it's absolutely one and the same to me.

01:52:29.020 But I do, I, I do think that there's a confluence in don't.

01:52:32.440 I think that a lot of this ideology that's been constructed benefits donors.

01:52:37.880 But I actually do think that a lot of these people actually believe it.

01:52:41.140 Senator Jeff Flake totally ruined his political career because he refused to moderate his Cato belief in, you know, open borders and unlimited immigration. 0.99

01:52:54.920 So it's like these people have actually killed their political careers to defend this bullshit. 0.99

01:52:59.100 They didn't have to do that. 0.99

01:53:00.160 So it's a little bit of both.

01:53:02.340 It's a little bit of both.

01:53:03.080 The donors are telling this and they believe it.

01:53:05.240 They, they went through the Cato program or whatever. 1.00

01:53:08.220 They believe this bullshit. 0.99

01:53:10.460 But anyway, like, he's got to get this DACA negotiation. 0.99

01:53:15.060 He's got to get the seven page list of demands that he sent to Congress met.

01:53:20.060 And if he doesn't, I say walk away from the deal because if you do a bad deal, you're really going to kill your base.

01:53:27.840 And your base is going to say, what the hell?

01:53:29.660 What's the point of even showing up in 2018?

01:53:32.440 So it's totally make or break.

01:53:33.920 It's got to happen right now.

01:53:35.320 He's got to figure this out.

01:53:36.380 Uh, and if, if they can't do a deal, walk away and say, sorry, DACA is being terminated.

01:53:42.660 You're all subject to deportation again.

01:53:46.740 Yeah.

01:53:47.380 And that would actually play way more than a deal.

01:53:51.360 Well, you know, and for it to not be a weak deal, you've really got to, uh, uh, have a lot of stuff going for it because I mean, we're talking about, what is it like 895,000 people that would be allowed to stay here.

01:54:07.460 And so, I mean, unless.

01:54:10.680 And the chain migration.

01:54:11.640 Yeah.

01:54:12.100 And so unless the deal is that we're going to deport all the other illegals that we're going to, you know, actually start deporting them. 0.92

01:54:20.420 And we're going to start punishing people who hire them knowingly.

01:54:24.240 And we're going to, you know, enact these E-Verify programs to where nobody has any excuse.

01:54:30.400 And we're going to, like you said, end the chain migration and all that good stuff. 0.99

01:54:34.780 Then there is no good deal.

01:54:36.560 Yeah.

01:54:36.800 You know what I mean?

01:54:37.340 To keep, to, to keep 800,000 or 900,000 Mexicans in essence.

01:54:45.600 And that's what the DACA, that's what they are.

01:54:47.600 Yeah.

01:54:48.300 Majority.

01:54:48.980 I mean, majority.

01:54:49.960 Yeah.

01:54:51.160 Yeah.

01:54:51.740 I mean, there's, there's not like tons of, uh, you know, Swedish DACA.

01:54:58.900 They're Mexicans. 1.00

01:55:00.660 And to keep all of those knowing, you know, how they breed and how their children will breed and all that, uh, for, for there to be any kind of, I mean, you basically just have to reverse everything else about immigration.

01:55:15.740 And I'm hoping that and praying that Trump will hold out on this because this is really the linchpin of everything.

01:55:25.820 If he gives them DACA and we don't get something out of it that's enough to where in a certain number of years you say, oh, look, the percentage of white people has gone up like 3%, then it will have been a complete failure. 0.72

01:55:40.560 Absolutely.

01:55:41.180 Absolutely.

01:55:41.540 Absolutely.

01:55:42.100 Yeah.

01:55:42.300 You got to do it because I've seen, you know, I don't know how accurate this is, but I've seen people say, if you just pass the dream act or whatever the hell it's called, then you're looking at 30 or 40 million people with a chain migration.

01:55:54.120 So it's like, if you, if, if you get this wrong, like you're really screwing us over and there's no reason for a lot of people to show up and even vote, uh, for you in 2020 or in the midterms in 2018.

01:56:05.460 So absolutely.

01:56:06.400 Yeah.

01:56:06.940 He has to do it.

01:56:07.760 Like, there's no question.

01:56:08.540 And I would say like this, if there is a deal, then we have to look at, there's, there's good organizations out there that are going to tell you how good the deal is.

01:56:18.120 Like fair, for instance, federations of Americans for immigration reform.

01:56:22.860 So they're going to be, we'll be able to, we don't have to just say, Oh, it's the worst thing ever.

01:56:26.920 Trump made a deal.

01:56:27.660 We can look and see like what the actual effects are going to be from one of these advocacy organizations, luckily.

01:56:33.820 So it's just, it's, it's such a massive thing.

01:56:36.640 It's such a huge thing.

01:56:37.940 And one of the things I'm concerned about is right now we're deporting a lot of criminals and that's great.

01:56:43.200 And I think we should prioritize that.

01:56:45.680 What happens once you deport all the criminals?

01:56:47.840 I'm hoping we keep on going ahead and deporting the non-criminals. 1.00

01:56:51.520 You know what I'm saying?

01:56:52.460 Oh, absolutely.

01:56:53.380 And not only that, we need to have a system in place where when we deport these criminals, they stay deported.

01:57:01.600 Yeah.

01:57:02.920 Yeah.

01:57:03.260 You know.

01:57:03.840 I mean, $18 million.

01:57:06.260 Well, yeah.

01:57:07.280 And, but I mean, well, not just the wall.

01:57:09.700 I mean, I think, was it the head of ICE who came out yesterday or day before and said that he has submitted it to the Justice Department for review of the legality of it and has been talking to President Trump and the president agrees with him that they're considering charging these politicians who are passing laws or overseeing sanctuary cities, counties, and states.

01:57:39.320 It's with harboring illegal aliens. 0.95

01:57:40.700 If you can legally do that, you have to do it to every single one of them.

01:57:43.960 But that's, there's nothing better than that in terms of incentives.

01:57:48.960 Wouldn't it be great to see Governor Jerry Brown thrown in the slammer for signing that bill?

01:57:54.620 And every politician.

01:57:55.840 I mean, and you talk about, I mean, that's the type of thing that the people who really want the, you know, culture war now bring it to a head.

01:58:05.400 That's the type of thing that would do it. 0.99

01:58:07.060 Because, I mean, when all of a sudden these people who, I mean, the real thing is the left and the part of the right who are so invested in browning the country, when they see that suddenly this massive thing that is just one law being enforced has derailed it completely, then you're going to see some shit. 0.99

01:58:31.120 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

01:59:01.120 This is nationalism.

01:59:01.860 This is fascism.

01:59:02.880 This is authoritarianism.

01:59:04.780 And I'll say, no, we're enforcing the law.

01:59:08.140 Like, 70% or 60% of Americans agree with this.

01:59:12.480 Yeah.

01:59:12.800 Those are the sweet spots where you have to push extremely hard.

01:59:18.020 Well, enforcing the law is fascism nowadays, isn't it?

01:59:21.720 Right, exactly.

01:59:22.760 Exactly.

01:59:23.220 Like, looking, like, wearing a suit is fascism.

01:59:25.900 Yeah.

01:59:26.160 Like, looking, like, not a little slob is, like, authoritarian nowadays. 1.00

01:59:29.780 Or telling, like, a father, like, you know, giving rules to his children is fascism.

01:59:36.400 Yeah.

01:59:37.000 Well, everything's fascism.

01:59:38.780 I mean, everything that you don't like is fascism.

01:59:41.400 And the thing is, I mean, it's not even fascism in the sense of fascism.

01:59:46.440 I mean, if you really understand what fascism as a political movement is, then it's a political movement.

01:59:55.560 And it's neither good nor evil, depending on how it's implemented.

02:00:01.520 You know, it's this thing that's out there.

02:00:03.320 It's this philosophy. 1.00

02:00:05.340 But, you know, fascist has come, since the 60s, has come to mean you're an asshole. 1.00

02:00:12.780 You're a meaner. 1.00

02:00:13.980 Yeah. 0.99

02:00:14.540 You know, and you're a violent bad guy. 0.89

02:00:18.760 You don't want anybody to disagree with you and all that.

02:00:21.360 That's what it basically means. 0.94

02:00:22.900 And it's so meaningless that, I mean, you turn on Tucker Carlson, and he'll play video of these communists screaming that these Republicans are fascists. 0.63

02:00:34.100 And then Tucker's like, no, you know, these Antifa, these communists, they're really the fascists. 0.95

02:00:39.080 Yeah, the real fascists. 0.99

02:00:40.300 I mean, as much as I love Tucker, it's just the most ridiculous thing. 1.00

02:00:44.500 I mean, it may be politically expedient, but, you know, it's dumb. 0.94

02:00:48.600 But anyway, okay, I don't want to close this on either a sterile or a negative note.

02:00:56.760 And so I'm going to ask you one final question, and I believe you're up to answering this.

02:01:04.880 Tell us something positive that you see about the movement for us to leave our listeners with.

02:01:12.700 Okay, absolutely, absolutely.

02:01:15.260 I would say one of the biggest things that's positive is not only do we sort of create this subculture almost out of nothing, people really believe in this.

02:01:30.580 Like, people get arrested.

02:01:32.640 People get doxxed.

02:01:34.640 Whatever.

02:01:35.360 But it's not like they give up.

02:01:37.000 So we have something here that's extremely strong.

02:01:41.280 It's not like a flash in the pan.

02:01:43.200 It's something, like, where you can really build a counterculture on top of it.

02:01:47.200 And I would even compare it to the counterculture of the 60s.

02:01:50.080 Like, these people were being – these hippies were being beaten and arrested and stuff.

02:01:54.260 And they still – they held to their beliefs.

02:01:57.320 They kept fighting.

02:01:58.040 And so I think that there's something there that is extremely powerful that can be translated into something much greater with just a little bit of sort of not only savviness and ability, like we have a lot of talent, but also – where was I going with this?

02:02:20.460 The savviness, the talent – no, I lost my train of thought.

02:02:25.740 But you get where I'm heading with this.

02:02:26.900 Like, we have something here.

02:02:29.740 We can build it.

02:02:30.480 We can translate it.

02:02:31.340 Oh, yeah.

02:02:31.700 What I was going to say is sort of subordinating one's own sort of ideology to the greater good.

02:02:38.620 Like, look, we have 18 different or 25 different ideologies, but we have to be a little bit careful not to become autistic and pedantic about it.

02:02:48.200 We can come together and sort of work towards these goals and translate it into something greater.

02:02:54.640 Absolutely.

02:02:55.580 Absolutely.

02:02:56.020 And if we couldn't do that, we would have never gotten Trump into office because I don't care what anybody says.

02:03:02.220 You look at how the raw numbers of the vote turned out.

02:03:07.160 If it hadn't been for the alt-right, Trump would not have won.

02:03:10.480 If we had stayed home because, well, he never said one word about building gas chambers or something like that.

02:03:17.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:03:18.260 He would have never gotten elected.

02:03:19.340 We were the ones – a lot of us were the people volunteering for the campaign.

02:03:24.840 And so you have to translate into much bigger things just by volunteering.

02:03:29.060 And, you know, we had to put aside our swastika armbands to go volunteer.

02:03:33.480 We had to cover up our swastika tattoos.

02:03:36.580 You know, I'm being facetious here.

02:03:37.700 But seriously, like we – people subordinated their own ideologies into this greater movement.

02:03:43.600 The alt-right can do a similar thing without beyond Trump whether or not he accomplishes the goals that we want him to accomplish.

02:03:50.020 Yeah, and I'd like to add to that, that nobody here – now, I'm speaking for you, and you can tell me if I'm wrong.

02:03:59.000 But nobody here is saying that you need to lie about what you believe or that you need to be dishonest or that you need to be a sellout.

02:04:09.180 Not at all. 0.51

02:04:10.180 I mean, you know, remain – continue to shitpost as you've done before, whatever.

02:04:14.940 But you know what has to be done when, you know, you're talking to one person compared to talking to another person.

02:04:23.420 There are some things that will appeal to one person more than the next person.

02:04:26.960 That's just how politics works.

02:04:28.700 To bring this back around to where we started from, when I was doing the local government stuff, you know,

02:04:36.840 we had this real Amos and Andy black mayor that was one of the people we really wanted out of there. 1.00

02:04:42.320 We did a lot of edgy, you know, kind of racial stuff. 0.95

02:04:47.060 But, you know, I never got on there and started saying, we're going to hang this nigger or anything because it wouldn't have worked. 1.00

02:04:53.280 You know, I mean, I'd say, what does he mean when he says, sure enough, you know, or something like that. 0.82

02:04:59.820 And, you know, kind of – or just post – or actually say, am I watching a mayor of a city or am I watching Amos and Andy?

02:05:08.820 You know, I'd say stuff like that.

02:05:09.940 It was real edgy.

02:05:10.700 It was right up to the edge of what we could have done.

02:05:13.700 And if I'd have thought that that were too edgy for it to work, then I would have backed off of it because the objective was to get people in office who were going to represent the interests of the actual citizens instead of trying to line their pockets.

02:05:28.360 And we were successful.

02:05:29.700 Just as we were successful, I mean – and I'm the first person to say the shitposting helped.

02:05:35.380 It did not hurt.

02:05:36.100 It helped.

02:05:36.500 I was one of the guys – you saw it.

02:05:38.880 I was all over Twitter when, you know, people would call Trump a Nazi. 0.97

02:05:44.920 I'd say, damn straight, and I'd post a picture of him in a Nazi uniform marching with Hitler and all to trigger these leftists or these cucks, whichever stage the thing was in. 0.96

02:05:53.000 And that has a lot of great effects. 0.89

02:05:56.800 But I'm glad that you came on here, Ricky, because let me tell you, I want you – I really, really want you out there doing what you do.

02:06:05.900 You have always been a really great asset to this movement, and I hope that people listening to this realize that you are not opposed to their ideologies.

02:06:20.320 You're not opposed to them as individuals, and what we're talking about here is not going easy on the Jews or building some cucky alt-light movement. 0.52

02:06:31.480 What we're talking about is trying to make the progress that we're able to make at this time, and that's no different than what we talk about on Daily Stormer.

02:06:40.280 So, thanks for coming on.

02:06:43.000 Thank you.

02:06:43.720 That's really kind words, and I really appreciate it.

02:06:46.900 Really great discussion.

02:06:48.320 And, yeah, thanks for all you do, and it's been a real pleasure.

02:06:52.140 Okay.

02:06:52.840 Well, everybody, this has been, as I said, the first episode of the Crypto Report for the current year, which is now currently 2018.

02:07:02.580 And we started off with a great guest, and we're going to start pumping these out regularly.

02:07:08.060 Expect another one in a couple of days.

02:07:10.160 Until then, I'm Asmendor, and we're out of here.

02:07:38.060 I'm Asmendor, and we're out of here.

The Krypto Report - January 08, 2018

#25 - Brainstormtrooping with Ricky Vaughn

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