00:18:39.460And Trump might not be successful either.
00:18:41.820So that's why I say we need a political strategy that goes even beyond Trump
00:18:48.900and then that we can build whether he succeeds or he fails in his goals.
00:18:54.560So that's what I'm looking at, this sort of political strategy working within the framework of the system.
00:19:01.400I think the other – I think it's still possible, and I think that Trump is one of the people that has sort of demonstrated this.
00:19:10.780Well, I agree with you 100 percent on several points there, the main one being I don't think it's prudent
00:19:20.280or, to be honest with you, I don't think it's even sane at this point to be advocating, you know, violent insurrection for several reasons.
00:19:31.860Number one, there's no way we can win.
00:19:34.420We don't have the military on our side.
00:19:37.440We don't have the police state apparatus on our side.
00:19:42.000That stuff is all owned by the enemy, by the globalists, if you want to call them that, the Jews, okay?
00:19:49.900And on top of that, that should always be a last resort thing.
00:19:57.940We still have lots of opportunity to do this electorally.
00:20:02.520And before my listeners get to calling me a cuck about this, I want to remind them that what got me started in political activism of any kind was back in 2012
00:20:15.240when myself and two other guys who were nobodies, who had no local political power, started a website and ran all the bastards out.
00:20:34.120We were constantly not only posting on the internet, but, you know, getting out in public and doing activism and showing up at city council meetings
00:20:42.580and advocating for the ideas that we had.
00:20:47.080No matter what we were called, we just kept moving forward.
00:20:50.340And come election day, every single one of our candidates won.
00:20:54.020The next day, the police chief was fired.
00:20:56.200It was a whole new regime there at City Hall.
00:21:00.500And I realized if three guys can do that, then it's, you know, now that we've won this and I have somewhere else that I'm going to have to go, something else I'm going to have to do,
00:21:13.120then I might as well get involved in something bigger.
00:21:17.300And I'd always been interested in pro-wide advocacy, for lack of a better term.
00:21:24.820But I had never gotten involved with it because, you know, I'm a Gen Xer.
00:21:29.140And in the late 80s and all throughout the 90s, even though I may have agreed with the goals and with a lot of the things that the people who,
00:21:40.960and I'm not talking about necessarily, say, David Duke when he was an elected representative, because he certainly moderated his message when he did that.
00:21:48.640But, but I mean, you know, the guys like the white Aryan resistance movement and the Aryan nations and the clan that were all pushing things so hard at that time,
00:21:56.480I would look at that stuff and I'd say, no, no, no, no, no, this is impossible because these guys do more damage than they'll ever do good.
00:23:03.580And I think that, you know, I didn't even know that you had done the whole thing in your local community with the political activism.
00:23:10.300That is the greatest opportunity we have right now, I think, is that we go and do this political activism at the local level.
00:23:18.100That's a great way to get started on building a sort of pragmatic political solution here.
00:23:23.580Yeah, now, let's carry on with, you know, you're talking about the difference between shitposting and bringing this into the real world.
00:23:38.040And I think probably the best example of that is all of these marches and things that have been going on lately.
00:23:46.280Of course, the most famous one being Unite the Right, which I was at.
00:23:50.340And you say that Unite the Right was a loss.
00:23:56.880And I have to say that in the grand scheme of things, I agree with you that at least up to this point, our losses due to Unite the Right are bigger than any gains we may have made.
00:24:09.940And we definitely did make some gains in as much as, you know, we proved to the world that this was a real movement and that there were lots of people who were willing to come out and travel long distances to be part of it.
00:24:23.040But, you know, it ended up in this thing where the media was able to portray it the way they wanted to portray it rather than the way that it actually was.
00:24:34.400You had a lot of guys going to jail over it.
00:24:37.880You had a lot of people getting doxxed and losing their jobs and, you know, that kind of thing always slows recruitment of anybody else who might be willing to come out for that kind of thing.
00:24:49.440And it's important if we're going to be a coherent movement that makes progress, because we have to make progress.
00:24:59.540I mean, I don't think anybody would say that, oh, we're poised to just take everything over as we are right now.
00:25:05.380I mean, no, we've been a rapidly rising movement.
00:25:09.420We've risen so rapidly that it's literally scared the shit out of our opponents, and it should, you know, on a political level.
00:25:16.640But we have to keep moving forward, and we're not going to be able to do that with what I guess the best term for it has that I've heard is goon marches.
00:25:27.720You know, and there are a lot of groups who can't seem to get it in their head, and they're like, well, we're just going to keep doing the goon marches, right?
00:25:35.840And it's a bad thing because, you know, you go to a town, and you get a permit, and you take over a couple of blocks of the downtown of a town that nobody lives in.
00:25:47.960And unfortunately, a lot of these groups show up dressed like, you know, Derek from American History X or whatever.
00:25:53.660They show up with shields and plastic Nazi helmets and all this stuff.
00:25:58.320And, of course, when they do that, you know, on a Saturday or whatever, they shut down the locals' whole town.
00:26:13.840The local townspeople are afraid to come out.
00:26:15.580And from neither side does it look like anything that anybody would want to be involved with because what it looks like is this invading militia has come and taken over your town for a day.
00:26:30.760And I don't think that's politically viable.
00:26:32.760I think what we need to do is I think we need to have people who can, you know, keep their power levels hidden somewhat and be actual, not only local, but statewide and nationwide political candidates that we could get elected while at the same time we have people who are not only just shitposters, but, you know, people who are doing things like I'm doing now.
00:26:58.040I think you can be a hybrid of the two because I go out and I do, you know, IRL activism, but I don't, you know, the Unite the Right was the only one where I participated in one of these things where it was the big let's get a permit and take over a huge chunk of downtown.
00:27:16.800And like I say, I believe I learned my lesson from that.
00:27:19.560I'm not saying that that will never be a viable option again, but it's certainly not something that goes in our favor now.
00:27:24.640But the best example of this, I guess, and I think this is a lot of what you're talking about, is that people like Paul Nealon shouldn't suddenly lose it and start going after the Jews if they have a chance to get elected.
00:27:41.560Yeah, I think that's pretty fair to say.
00:27:43.660Like I agree with every pretty much 100% of what you just said, you know, yeah, we need sort of candidates who can win local office.
00:27:55.380More than that, I think we need a sort of political organization that's decentralized that is but but United at a national level.
00:28:04.440So I take as a model of this sort of like the democratic socialists where these people are like they're a bunch of misfits, whatever they're some of them are like communists, but they don't go around saying we're going to shoot all the bourgeois like they they organize as the sort of in a way that can appeal to the broader public.
00:28:24.860Not only that, they offer their people a sort of social group to join in.
00:28:31.120And that's one of the big problems with America right now is all of these people are alienated there.
00:28:35.500Maybe they're spending too much time online or whatever, but it gives them a sort of social group.
00:28:39.460So the DSA itself is able to affect the democratic mainstream.
00:28:43.140They're able to run candidates, endorse candidates.
00:28:45.300I would like to see a similar movement on the right, and that would necessarily entail a sort of ideological moderation or tailoring in order to appeal to a broader spectrum of the public.
00:29:00.360And yeah, and sort of being able to stay off of third rails and that kind of thing.
00:29:09.620You want to push against political correctness, but you don't want to blow up your entire political and social capital in doing so.
00:29:18.120Yeah, and I think the place where we might disagree somewhat on this is that, you know, I think that that's limited in a big way to say a politician who's actually running for office right now, but not necessarily to his base.
00:29:41.200Because, you know, these same leftist groups that you're talking about, like the Democratic Socialists of America and everything, they work hand in hand with, you know, the American Communist Party and Antifa and people like that.
00:29:55.340And they don't even try to hide that they do it.
00:29:57.700It's just that the people who are actually running for things moderate their message.
00:30:01.500I think there's room, I think there's room for every type of activist in this movement, as long as it's coordinated properly.
00:30:12.740Like, you know, we have these Daily Stormer book clubs now, and you may have seen like myself and members of the Dallas-Fort Worth Daily Storm book clubs in conjunction with Patriot Front went and confronted an Antifa book fair.
00:30:27.560Now, say you had a candidate like Paul Nealon, who had not shown his power level, but that we totally supported him, and there's a big rally for him.
00:30:36.380Well, you know, I think if you have guys like us who come out and we know how to present ourselves to not look like, you know, something bad without going back into the descriptions I gave earlier, but yet we touch on these issues that he can't touch on.
00:30:54.500I think that helps because, and of course, you know, the big boogeyman in the room on that is always the Jewish question.
00:31:02.640And somebody has to be out there with this Jewish question thing because, you know, I don't know how much you agree with me on this, and that's not me saying I think you like Jews or whatever.
00:31:13.960But I think that none of these problems that we have are ever going to be solved in any kind of a satisfactory way if we don't address the Jewish question, at least to the point that people have an understanding of what the Jewish question really means, of the stranglehold that they have on the political and social and cultural discourse.
00:31:42.140I mean, you know, this Jewish problem, one of the reasons that we have such a hard time making any kind of political progress, and it's one of the things that is so frustrating to the people who are frustrated with you right now, is that they have this paradigm set up to where on the left, you have a left that is controlled by a leftist Jewish interest.
00:32:06.500And everything fits into a paradigm of everything that these leftists do that's going to be authorized, that the media is going to allow it to go on, and the political machine is going to allow it to go on to the point that somebody might get elected or somebody might get appointed.
00:32:23.600And you have the same thing on the right, with the right wing, you know, the neocon type, right wing Jewish interests, and nothing that steps outside that interest is going to be allowed in this discourse.
00:32:38.340And that's why, you know, and it's one of the things that really drew me to wanting to work at Daily Stormer, is that I believe this Jewish question is first and foremost.
00:32:47.880And obviously, if you're running for Congress right now, you can't come out and say, okay, I'm reading culture of critique right now, and as soon as I'm done, I'm moving on to the protocols of the learned elders of Zion, and we're going to get you, Kai.
00:33:04.260You know, no, you can't do that, but you can certainly have reasonable, intelligent people out there who are saying, look, you know, Israel should not define our foreign policy.
00:33:18.500The 2% of the population of the United States that is American Jewry should not define every aspect of our domestic policy and our financial policy.
00:33:30.320They shouldn't, you know, and you can go on and on with this stuff.
00:33:32.880I mean, you know what I'm talking about, and my listeners know what I'm talking about, so I'm not going to go on forever on a big educational thing about the Jews here.
00:33:41.040But, I mean, where do you come in with all this?
00:34:49.100I want to draw a line there and say, yeah, I'm agreeing with what you're saying.
00:34:54.100You don't want to come out as a politician and say, look, you know, this is a problem, blah, blah, blah.
00:34:58.380But second of all, I do want to also say we have to be very smart in studying our opponent and our enemy.
00:35:06.460And a lot of times we just want to sort of say it's the Jews.
00:35:11.240We have to look at what are the institutions that are – let's say if – let's say that I totally agree that it's all just the Jews.
00:35:19.780Because you say the average guy walking down the street in a yarmulke in whatever, St. Louis, is that guy the enemy?
00:35:29.100Or do we have to look at the institutions that are sort of controlling this sort of system?
00:35:34.960And if we – our politicians and our people on the politics side are focusing on these institutions, then we're going to be serving our goals.
00:35:45.100Like we should be looking at destroying political correctness because this is used to limit the terms of debate.
00:35:50.680We should be looking at how are we going to undermine or deconstruct the media, especially the big corporate media?
00:35:59.860And how are we going to defend free speech on the internet so that our people can discuss these problems frankly?
00:36:08.180You don't have to go out and say all this other stuff that might not be politically palatable in order to defend free speech and to defend free expression.
00:36:18.680And then you want to start looking at Wall Street, the influence of Wall Street, the influence of K Street, the lobbyists in D.C.
00:36:25.460You can attack all of these sort of heads of the hydra, so to speak, without – as a politician.
00:36:32.740And that's all you need to do, in my opinion, quite frankly, in this current political atmosphere that we have right now.
00:36:43.020Yeah, and that's one of the things that was really energizing about the Trump campaign for just about everyone in the alt-right was that all the things that Trump was attacking,
00:36:55.460were – I mean, he – without ever – and I don't think even in his mind, without ever attacking the Jews,
00:37:04.820everything that he was attacking was basically an international Jewish institution.
00:37:09.740And, you know, if he were successful in all these things, you know, like if he stopped the immigration, if he was able to bring the media to heel,
00:37:20.400we were somehow able to reestablish complete free speech in media and on the internet, you know, you would basically have them beaten.
00:37:31.960But, of course, I mean, I don't think – I don't think Trump is an anti-Semite, to be honest with you.
00:37:41.800Of course, he's got Jews in his family.
00:37:44.320He's got a daughter who's converted to Judaism and given him a bunch of Jewish grandchildren.
00:37:47.980And then the first thing he did when he got in office was started appointing a bunch of Jews,
00:37:52.140lots of them Goldman Sachs Jews, to, you know, cabinet-level positions and things,
00:37:56.840which has been a lot to his detriment.
00:37:59.760But, yeah, I mean, like you say, you can run on these things and you can get a lot of what we call the cuck-servative faction over to your side.
00:38:13.260But still, on top of all that, there's no quantifying the effect that shit posters – I mean, real hardcore shit posters –
00:38:22.840have on doing that, because I know you remember, because you were right there.
00:38:29.320The cuck-servatives did not want Trump to be the nominee.
00:38:33.120And it took a whole lot of shitposting and memeing to help get him to do that.
00:45:11.880And I think it's about time that we moved on to a different topic anyway, because we've been agreeing too much.
00:45:19.460And so there's one thing that I'm probably going to have some fairly significant disagreements with you about based on some of your posts I've read and some of what I heard on Cantwell.
00:45:37.520You seem to think that wide identity is not a doable thing.
00:45:44.320It's not something that we can work towards rallying around.
00:45:47.600Right. I think that's pretty fair characterization of what I said.
00:45:51.180Like, I don't think that it's going to sort of mobilize a sort of what we need to do.
00:46:10.660But I don't think that it can go mainstream or I would say, yeah, I don't think it could go mainstream.
00:46:18.560Are you saying that just based on the cultural situation that you see around you now and that you've been surrounded with your whole life?
00:46:31.580Because I assume you're probably in your 20s or early 30s, you know, a bit younger than me.
00:46:38.280And even throughout most of my life, that's not been a thing that you would hear too much about on TV would be anybody identifying as a member of a group because they were white.
00:46:52.520I mean, you know, I know you're aware of the first Naturalization Act, which was passed like a year before the Bill of Rights, said that the only way you were qualified to be a citizen of this new United States was to be a free white person of good character.
00:47:09.060And so, I mean, there definitely was white identity when the country was founded and there was white identity throughout the history of this country up until about the 1960s that was so strong that it wasn't a thing people even talked about.
00:47:26.420It was just assumed that America was a white country that, you know, despite, you know, over in Europe, everybody was English or French or German or whatever.
00:47:39.060They moved here and they became American, you know, like you'd have a German guy marry an English woman or vice versa or whatever.
00:47:49.320And even though the children weren't English or German anymore, they were white.
00:47:54.760And I think, and it's my opinion, that that consciousness is rising again.
00:48:02.440And a lot of it, I mean, a huge part of it is due to the work that people in the alt-right and, you know, what would have passed for alt-right before the term came around have been doing.
00:48:15.140But an even bigger thing, I guess you might call it a quickening agent, is this attack on everything white that's been going on.
00:48:24.740Well, it's been going on for some time, but it's just come right out into the open and gotten supercharged in the last, what would you say, three or four years?
01:01:26.120What I want, you know, if we were to, say, have some kind of a theoretical march or something,
01:01:33.880I want to see all the people on my side flying the stars and stripes.
01:01:39.380I want to see them looking like normal Americans.
01:01:41.980And if the left attacks them, I want people who are watching that television to see the left attacking normal Americans with American flags.
01:01:49.280I don't want, I mean, I don't want us imitating Black Lives Matter.
01:02:15.920And not just, you know, as, say, an experience of the nation as we understand it now.
01:02:22.020I mean, all of its various iterations and things, just like the Texas Revolution.
01:02:28.320And I know you always have all these guys who want to come out that are kind of like what they call the Rainbow Confederates who want to try to claim,
01:02:35.320well, the Confederates weren't racist and they had Black people fighting for them and all this.
01:02:40.040You know, you always have these guys who want to say, well, you know, there were plenty of Mexicans fighting on the side of the Texans.
01:02:48.820And in a very literal sense, that's true, but we're not talking about Aztec mestizos.
01:02:55.960We're talking about Spaniard landowners who were basically white people.
01:03:01.200And, I mean, for the vast majority of it.
01:03:06.320And you had this stark, I mean, the Texas Revolution and then the Mexican War that followed it was this stark race war.
01:03:13.640It was a war of, and now it was fought, but both sides were led by whites, but it was fought.
01:03:22.320The soldiers fighting was basically Anglos versus mestizos and Aztecs.
01:03:30.160And that's been the history of this country.
01:03:32.860You know, it's been an expansion of European, mostly Anglo, which is why we speak English, of course, influence from one end of this continent to the other.
01:03:51.760And one of the things that's important is to take that back from them and say, look, you know, I'm not ashamed of that.
01:03:57.800I mean, if you think this country would be better if it was run by somebody else, then, hey, that's your problem, buddy, because I disagree.
01:04:05.080That's something where even, like, a sliver of a chunk of minorities will agree with that.
01:04:10.400Like, the Chinese don't want to come to America and be ruled by, like, Barack Obama.
01:04:16.060They want, like, a, you know, like a white man.
01:04:18.620It's like the Chinese, when they think of America, they think of, like, a Germanic-looking person, you know?
01:04:23.380Yeah, so all that you said is, like, you know, I pretty much, I basically agree with what you're saying.
01:04:32.660And I like how you're sort of rooting it in history, because what I see too often is people just say, oh, I'm like, okay, so what are you going to do to win this thing here?
01:04:42.360They're like, all we're going to do is raise white racial consciousness and name the Jew, and America doesn't matter, sort of, all these, working with local politics, like, it's not going to work, or, you know, America's cucked, whatever.
01:05:02.140And they don't want to root it in sort of, and acknowledge things like religion, and et cetera.
01:05:09.940And they also say, I just, one of my problems with it is, if you're trying to translate this into, like, a political strategy here, you have to sort of acknowledge that just simply raising white racial consciousness isn't going to get the job done alone.
01:05:29.400Now, raising white racial consciousness in and of itself is always a good thing, if you're doing it properly, if you're doing it in a way that it actually raises that consciousness in a positive manner, and you actually know what you're talking about.
01:05:42.980But in and of itself, it will accomplish next to nothing.
01:05:47.080If you're talking about hardcore, just rubber-hits-the-road politics, actual electoral politics, and that sort of thing, you want to translate that white racial consciousness that you have raised into something concrete, such as, let's end affirmative action.
01:06:28.440The point that I was trying to make on Gab a lot of the times is that, like, you have to go and appeal to people where they're at.
01:06:35.640Like, if you're going to think – if you think you're just going to go and sort of – like, let's say I wanted to go canvassing in, like, a neighborhood.
01:06:53.980We better vote for this candidate because we're being genocided by the Jews.
01:06:58.280Like, you have to understand that people's identity is more complex than that and that different appeals are going to work to different people.
01:07:08.380And one of the things that – you know, I've been reading some, like, political books recently, and one of the insights is that people vote in terms of a social group.
01:07:19.500They don't – and that social group does not translate into race a lot of times.
01:07:23.700Like, all of the whites living in northern Virginia, like, they work for the federal government.
01:07:58.080Like, even Trump, for instance, did worse with whites than Romney, if you believe the exit polls.
01:08:04.120Well, I think one of the most stark examples of what you're talking about there, where people identify as groups, in all the different iterations it comes in, is, just say, teachers.
01:08:52.660And those people are always hungry to have their interests represented.
01:08:59.880And when their interests get represented enough that they feel that they have some – you know, a certain stake, as far as they have a little political power that their interests are being listened to, then you have the opportunity to start saying, okay, this interest is also a white interest.
01:09:21.740And that's how I think you start building on these things, as well as, you know, doing the things like I'm talking about.
01:09:28.260And I agree with you totally that you've got to have your class of philosophers and your class of politicians.
01:09:34.700And I'm absolutely not the politician class.
01:09:49.260But I think that we all need to have a certain amount of understanding of both sides of this so that the people who are, you know, so upset with you on Gab right now, they shouldn't be.
01:10:04.440We should be able to work together and to bounce our ideas off each other the way that you and I are doing right now.
01:10:12.800That's how we're going to move forward.
01:10:14.800You know, we're not – I mean, we both have different missions.
01:10:19.760And, you know, I consider what I do to be a hybrid thing because I'm not an Anon.
01:10:24.360And I do go out in public, but I'm not running for office.
01:10:28.800I'm the last person in the world who should ever run for office.
01:10:32.100But I am a guy who shows up in public and I, you know, I do a weird combination of shitposting and being very serious in public.
01:10:42.800And there's a lot of reasons for that.
01:10:44.260You know, the shitposting aspect of it comes in not only because I enjoy it, but because I think it works.
01:10:50.460And it's the way that you get enough attention to get in the media.
01:10:54.940And as long as you're not running for office, it's really hard at this point to have bad publicity.
01:11:02.520I mean, like when I got on the news in Houston and they asked me about Jerry Cushman, I said, well, gas him.
01:11:09.200You know, that got me a whole lot of publicity.
01:11:13.840But the people who heard that didn't just hear that.
01:11:18.360And it brought something into the local news that's never there.
01:11:23.780And that is, look at this group of white people standing here who are defending this monument from a bunch of the Sam Houston monument from a bunch of communists who say they're going to come out and take it down.
01:11:35.600And this guy who's standing in front of it who just said this thing, this next thing that he said sounds true.
01:11:42.640And that next thing was, you know, this doesn't have anything to do with slavery or any of that.
01:11:48.800They want to take down this monument because he's a white hero and they want to destroy white history.
01:11:53.820People need to hear that stuff, you know.
01:11:55.660And so, and of course, you know, like I say, my job to a large extent is just to be a shitlord everywhere all the time.
01:12:06.380And that's not something that most people should do, of course, but it works for me.
01:12:12.380But I think there's a lot of value in what you're doing too.
01:12:16.900We just, we've got to establish better lines of communication between the various factions of the alt-right.
01:20:08.500I mean, because, you know, we both agree that Charlottesville, in the aggregate, was a negative.
01:20:16.260Now, I say that it had to happen, it was going to happen, and that a lot of good came out of it.
01:20:23.980Yeah, it was absolutely inevitable, and a lot of good came out of it, but the good does not outweigh the negative, at least at this time.
01:20:32.180I mean, we can never predict, I mean, you know, over time, as we get our message out, you know, like, once Daily Stormer maintains a URL long enough that we have our full readership back and, you know, we get a lot of the other people who've been deplatformed, get their viewerships and listenerships back and stuff like that, to where we can really start getting our side back out about it.
01:20:59.080But, you know, a lot more good may come of it, and a lot of it's happening now.
01:21:03.760I mean, even the people like that Charlottesville hired have come out in their report saying, yeah, this was the fault of Charlottesville, the city, you know, and that kind of thing.
01:21:14.280But what are your thoughts on, and I don't want to focus too much on the things we've been talking about, because we've been talking about terminology and that kind of thing, strategy.
01:21:32.320What is the next move for the alt-right?
01:21:34.720No, I actually was talking a little bit about this on Campbell's show, so I think that, you know, I think that we have a lot of really effective content creators, and what they're doing is, like, really good and effective, and a lot of it's effective.
01:21:52.720Like, I was criticizing some of the bad propaganda a moment ago, but we have a lot of good propaganda.
01:22:00.760I would say, like, I would ask myself, if I'm 18 years old, or if you're an 18-year-old, does it do any good for you to go to, like, to start, like, shitposting under your real name, or going to, like, Unite the Right, and then just your family disowns you?
01:22:19.060And so I say, read whatever, The Daily Stormer, listen to the podcast, but start thinking about how do we move, like, we have to admit, like, a lot of us are, like, fringe characters.
01:22:32.080How do we take the young people who really like the message, how do they go out and translate that into having and starting to have an impact on their local communities and networking and building off of that?
01:22:45.320So, and, you know, that's where you start really getting into the practical politics.
01:22:51.560It's more effective, it's going to be more effective if we are able to actually infiltrate these structures and get our people into office, get our people into positions of influence.
01:23:07.840Ann Coulter doesn't need to say, I want an ethnostate in order to be a really good propagandist for what we've been doing.
01:23:13.180She doesn't need to go out and say that.
01:23:16.620Like, we need people like this who maybe they agree with all this other stuff but are able to infiltrate and get into the mainstream and start having dialogue so that we can sort of win some of these battles.
01:23:27.020Like I say, one of the major battles we have to win right now, and we can do this while appealing to a broad swath of people, is attacking this notion that diversity is a social good.
01:23:37.420We have not only the social science behind us, but we have people's real life experience behind us.
01:23:43.640People who experience diversity, they realize this, and they would be very open to a message of saying, is diversity really a social good?
01:23:51.680Should our universities really be promoting diversity?
01:23:55.480Should our federal government be promoting it?
01:23:57.560Should they be promoting affirmative action?
01:23:59.520And all this stuff, is it really in – should we have this massive bureaucracy and this massive federal apparatus promoting diversity and all this crap?
01:24:11.480Is it even good to have it in our immigration policy?
01:24:14.060So I think that's where we need to start going, and I think that all of the people, I would say these sort of effective people on the right, the content creators, just have to keep sort of doing what they're doing.
01:24:26.200But we also want to sort of start saying, guys, can anyone sort of do this?
01:24:30.840Can anyone sort of build this structure?
01:24:59.440I think we need to start building our own infrastructures.
01:25:03.240And I know that that's a huge and in a lot of aspects monumental, if not impossible, tasks.
01:25:10.540But, you know, we see a lot of that with what's going on with alt tech right now.
01:25:14.700You know, we have things like PewTube, the alternative to YouTube, and we have Gab.
01:25:20.400And, of course, these things are still dependent on larger infrastructures that we don't control.
01:25:26.980But we need to have long-term goals to not have to be dependent all the time on, you know, institutions that on a whim can just silence us.
01:25:43.480And hopefully this getting rid of net neutrality is a signal that we may be having some type of regulation in the future that provides us a little protection from that.
01:25:57.980But, yeah, I want to say, and we're not done here.
01:26:01.120I want to go to some questions and comments from Gab.
01:26:06.900But before I do, I want to say that I've really appreciated everything that's been said here.
01:26:14.900But I want everybody to notice that we didn't have to get mad at each other to have these disagreements, that they're honest disagreements.
01:26:21.360And the more we discussed it, the more or the less we actually disagreed about.
01:26:27.960So, first off, the first question that I've got for you is from Jenny Jenkins.
01:28:42.400What is your opinion on how to deal with crippling censorship the left is now implementing on all dissident right people, including softer voices such as Jared Taylor?
01:28:53.080Keeping our voices heard will be paramount in 2018 onward.
01:28:57.260What do you think we can do in the short term?
01:29:01.240So, first of all, we have to get behind some of these legal efforts, like for the people, the political prisoners in Charlottesville, because a lot of that is going to defend.
01:29:13.440And they're defending free, whatever we think of the optics and et cetera, et cetera.
01:29:18.880What these people are doing is they're going and sort of trying to exercise their freedom of speech, their freedom of assembly.
01:29:26.380So, we have to prove, we can donate to those efforts and support them however we can.
01:30:08.740But anyway, that's a different thing, the double standard.
01:30:10.560So, the legal efforts and supporting that and a lot of people donated to Andrew Anglin's legal defense because we really have to fight digital platform censorship.
01:30:22.280We need to fight – we need to lobby the federal government like the FCC in things like, you know, can we get this sort of Paul Nealon's really good legislation patch, shall not censor?
01:30:41.620Can we make – in the Supreme Court, they've already started having a few debates in the Supreme Court about whether social media is a public square where we have like a First Amendment taking place so that we have First Amendment rights.
01:30:56.900And we need like to – a legal or a legal effort there if we can get some of these people like Roger Stone to sue and actually have like a good legal case, good lawyers, not like a publicity stunt, like something that we think we can win, that kind of thing.
01:31:36.200Well, I'm glad that you brought up the legal aspect because that one affects me personally.
01:31:41.700You know, the big lawsuit that the city of Charlottesville themselves joined in on, I'm named in that lawsuit.
01:31:49.600I'm being sued by this giant Jewish law firm out of New York that they're so invested in this lawsuit that they've opened up offices in Charlottesville, Virginia.
01:32:01.980And it's a big federal lawsuit where they're claiming that because I came to Charlottesville with the intent to give a speech that helicopters fell out of the sky, cars crashed into peaceful protesters, and people had strokes three days later.
01:32:18.760And, you know, at some point, I will be trying to raise some money.
01:32:26.420But the problem is the main platform that we could use to raise money on, Hatrion, I've never been on it.
01:32:34.940And by the time I tried to register for it, the thing was down.
01:32:49.420But when I got on there and tried to set up an account, you know, it let me set up the account.
01:32:55.980And then when I went to start a project, which I was going to hook my attorney's legal account to, just until the money go directly to that, I couldn't do it because it said they're down for maintenance.
01:33:10.140And it's been saying that for over a month.
01:33:12.200I would say try Freestarter, Chuck Johnson's thing.
01:33:36.000I mean, I'm bringing this up because it is my show.
01:33:39.200But, I mean, like, this stuff is so expensive.
01:33:41.640And this is how they want to shut us down.
01:33:43.260You know, the SPLC that's suing Anglin, and they call it that.
01:33:48.460In interviews on mainstream media, the head of the SPLC, Potok, and the other guy, they come out and they say –
01:33:59.420they openly say, we have been suing these people out of existence since the 1970s.
01:34:04.500So, I mean, they're just flat-out admitting that they're abusing a legal process, not to right wrongs, not to get a red dress of any kind of damage, but to silence groups that oppose their interest.
01:34:17.220And that's exactly what's going on here.
01:34:24.960Yeah, well, I mean, but the problem with it is the expense because, you know, I've been – because I've had a problem finding a way to get funding for this, I've been paying this out of my own pocket.
01:34:38.240And just a few months of it has almost broken me.
01:34:46.220And it's not me blaming my lawyers because, believe me, they – you know, the lawyers that I have are really into this.
01:34:51.700They're real free speech guys, and they're really opposed to what Charlottesville and the other people in this lawsuit are doing.
01:34:58.920And so, you know, they're working with us as much as humanly possible.
01:35:03.340But there's so much expense involved that, you know, they have to pay out of pocket.
01:35:07.840I mean, it costs tons of money to file this stuff.
01:35:10.180They have to have a staff and all that.
01:35:11.760But so, hopefully – not to harp on that too long – hopefully when I do get a platform to get some legal donations for this, the listeners will donate to that.
01:35:24.260And as bad as my lawsuit thing is, that's nothing compared to guys like Cantwell and, you know, the other people who have been arrested and charged with criminal stuff.
01:36:00.420Like, how do we build – can he – like, how do we build an SPLC for our team, an ADL for our side?
01:36:06.980These people collect $100 million a year or something ridiculous in, like, tax-deductible donations.
01:36:14.280So, if we could have someone who's got the – who's really competent and who gives people a lot of confidence in donating to them, can they create this sort of organization?
01:36:36.140And these are all things we need to look at.
01:36:39.820Okay, let's get on to the next question.
01:36:41.820And Titus, who is at Titus G., has two quick questions for you.
01:36:47.800He says – his first question is, if we can't keep Indians and – if we can't keep Indians and Chinese out, which I question the legitimacy of that, but just assuming.
01:36:59.020If we can't keep Indians and Chinese out, but we can solve the problems with low IQ, illegal immigration, and birthright citizenship, which he's talking about Mexicans there.
01:37:11.000How upset would you be by this outcome?
01:37:13.420He's wanting to know how upset you would be if we were able to keep out the Mexicans and end birthright citizenship, but we just basically had to throw the border open to Indians and Chinese.
01:37:26.440Now, this is one of the massive problems with the merit-based immigration argument, which is arguably an improvement over what we have.
01:37:32.780It's an improvement, but we don't want a bunch of people who are able to get in on the merit who are just going to further add to this sort of diversity in this country and the loss of identity and the loss of sort of a coherent nation.
01:37:48.220So that would be extremely bad, in my opinion.
01:37:51.600We have to work towards – maybe merit-based immigration is a transition step, but we have to work towards really getting a hold of the immigration system.
01:38:01.480Whatever we have to do, abolish the H-1Bs.
01:38:03.560We have to restrict the legal immigration to some tiny amount.
01:38:09.740So, yeah, that would be very bad, in my opinion.
01:38:11.580Yeah, I mean, this goes back to the – what we were talking about earlier, about the left and the right, having – each having this paradigm that doesn't work towards any type of ethnic nationalist interest.
01:38:24.260It reminds me of this old meme from about 2014, where on the left, you had Keith Olbermann, and he's saying, we have to eliminate borders and let anyone who wants to come in here come in here because to do otherwise is racist, Nazi KKK.
01:38:41.980And then on the right, you've got Sean Hannity, who says, no, we have to end illegal immigration and brown the country with legal immigration.
01:38:53.540In the middle, you've got two children saying, why do they both want our genocide?
01:38:59.880And, you know, I agree with you on that.
01:39:04.300Okay, his – what we need – and I'm not even saying – this is probably not doable right – well, not probably.
01:39:13.480It's absolutely not doable right at this moment, but it's something we could work towards.
01:39:17.060You know, the 1924 Immigration Act was specifically designed to not alter the ethnic balance of the country.
01:39:24.680And if we were able to get something like that instituted in the foreseeable future, we could probably, after that, once we stabilized the ethnic balance – like, just say, you know, America's 62% non-Jewish, non-Hispanic white.
01:39:42.560And we were able to say, okay, it's going to stay that way.
01:39:45.120The immigration is going to be made to make it stay that way.
01:39:47.800Like, once we had a stable white population for a while, we could probably actually work towards something where we say, you know, I think we're going to pass a law where we have a favorable class of immigration, and that comes from Northwest Europe.
01:40:01.580What you need to do is pack the courts, which we're very happy that Trump is doing, and then secondly, repeal the 1965 Legislation Act.
01:40:14.460And that way we – but one of the problems is, like, to do this, we have to break the mainstream notion, which is diversity is our strength.
01:40:27.900We want these diverse people coming in because it's going to somehow make us stronger, and it's illegal to discriminate by nationality when setting immigration policy.
01:40:39.940Not only do you have to change the culture so that people are like, oh, you know what, like, maybe I don't – you know, maybe I like my, you know, diverse neighbors or whatever.
01:41:49.020And I think that one of the things that's really overlooked is that you have so many people who may not be religious in the sense that they believe in the supernatural aspect of it,
01:42:00.660but who are like Richard Spencer when he says, I'm culturally Christian.
01:42:06.460You know, I believe in the morality and the mores of it.
01:42:10.040You know, I think people – which, I mean, he didn't say this, but I'm extrapolating from it.
01:42:14.380I think, you know, a man should marry a woman and they should stay married and, you know, that kind of thing.
01:42:20.080Women shouldn't go around being sluts.
01:42:24.060I would say that's like a good transition step because unfortunately we have right now is that we have this culture of cool where, you know,
01:42:33.180the highest virtue in our culture, and it's sort of a sickening or sad thing, is to be cool.
01:42:38.440And a lot of people are not – if they're like, oh, I'm a devout Christian, they're just going to feel really uncool about it, which is unfortunate.
01:42:59.460Well, I'm looking through the questions that we've got here, and I believe I have asked all the ones that have not – that we haven't already addressed.
01:43:11.100I mean, you know, we've got a few in here.
01:43:56.520And in the triple parentheses, he has re-quoted retreats into the ghettos of explicit ethno-nationalist advocacy.
01:44:04.960I mean, we've already talked about that pretty much at length, but I mean, the way that he's got you phrasing it here, would you like to address that really quickly?
01:44:15.300So I actually do sort of believe that.
01:44:17.820Like, I do think that we have to be very careful about sort of marginalizing ourselves and retreating into a ghetto of sort of – and I said explicitly ethno-nationalist advocacy.
01:44:34.240Now, you know, I would draw – like, it doesn't bother me at all sort of the stuff that's going on with Daily Storm.
01:44:43.740What I would say is that if we're trying to transition politically and we're sticking with this language that is very abstract and very intellectualized and very sort of marginalizing because it just doesn't appeal to a lot of people.
01:44:59.780We're going to go down the same path as sort of the conservative movement where they won the election in 1980, Ronald Reagan did, with all this like – he was saying all this conservative rhetoric.
01:45:14.020Now, they don't – what they don't realize is that he also won the election with nationalist rhetoric and populist rhetoric.
01:45:20.000But what happened after 1980 was the conservatives retreated back into this backwater where they were only talking about – they were only talking to themselves and they were using language like, we have to – we have to have free markets.
01:45:42.760Like, we need to have total individual liberty sort of at the expense of any sort of communal or group identity and that these people were totally marginalized and really ineffective and they did not have any ability to affect the political conversation.
01:46:04.160And we saw that in 2016 very explicitly, the complete and total failure of these people to say, Donald Trump is not a true conservative.
01:46:17.300And they were completely blown out of the water.
01:46:19.740So I don't want us to see us go down that road where we're retreating into echo chambers and not sort of able to have a debate with the mainstream.
01:46:29.980Yeah, and unfortunately, it's not just this road that we're talking about in answering this question.
01:46:40.700Unfortunately, this has happened since Trump got elected to it.
01:46:45.680I don't blame Trump necessarily for it.
01:46:48.360I do to a certain extent because he does have the bully pulpit.
01:46:52.100But, you know, we had a whole year go by and the only thing that they were able to accomplish was a tax reform bill.
01:46:58.840And I'm not saying that the tax reform bill is a bad thing.
01:47:03.060To be honest with you, I'm not one of these people who will look at it and say, oh, I can tell you right now, this is going to make everything better or worse.
01:47:12.180I'm going to sit back and wait and see what happens.
01:47:14.440But, you know, these are not, you know, tweaking tax reform.
01:47:24.980That's not the type of thing that got Trump elected.
01:47:27.920If all anybody had been concerned about was tax reform, they would have gone and voted for Cruz or Bush or somebody.
01:48:07.280And I don't literally mean that because he said Mexicans are rapists that that's what got him elected.
01:48:14.440It was that willingness to signal towards the traditional American interests and to push back against this anti-American globalist interest that had just completely taken over both parties.
01:48:34.000And if he is going to be a successful president, if he is going to if there's not going to be just a bloodbath in the midterms, they're going to have to get some of that Trump agenda passed.
01:48:47.680And the Trump agenda, even though, I mean, of course, he was running for president, so he had a tax program and he and all this other stuff.
01:48:55.920But I mean, if the next big thing that they talk about is welfare reform or something like that, and it's not a wall or it's not immigration reform.
01:49:08.540And by immigration reform, I mean, like, OK, we're going to end this birthright citizenship or we're going to cut the number every year from one million to five hundred thousand.
01:49:18.720And we're going to end chain migration at the same time if they if they don't at least make a valiant effort at getting something like that done, whether they can get it done or not, they're not going to you're not going to see what anybody on our side wants to see in this election.
01:49:35.760And I think if he would push real hard on this stuff, even if the really hardcore cucks would like, you know, Lindsey Graham and all went to pushing back on this stuff, that would be OK because you'd see him get primaried.
01:49:52.040But instead, you know, it seems like we're playing this, you know, he's getting gaslighted by the same thing that has gaslighted conservative presidents in the past where they say, look, you can't get that passed.
01:50:51.500This is make or break time right now with Trump.
01:50:55.360What you have in the DACA negotiations, it really is make or break.
01:51:00.760Like, I mean, if he fails on this and if he gives if he if he comes up with a bad deal, then I say, you know, he's going to fail in the midterms coming up.
01:51:10.600Um, and so unfortunately, you know, we have this situation with this, this Congress.
01:51:18.680Like, I would say this on the administrative side.
01:51:22.100Trump, as far as I'm concerned, is sort of hitting all the right notes on immigration reform, especially if he finds a way which might be a legally difficult thing to do to stop renewing.
01:51:37.580He's trying to, like, stop renewing H-1-Bs so that five so that half a million Indians have to leave the country.
01:51:42.600Now, I haven't followed through on that.
01:51:44.160And it might be challenged legally, but I hope he's able to do it.
01:51:46.660But the big thing is, unfortunately, we have these senators and they sort of believe this Cato bullshit about, oh, a Republican senator the other day, Senator Langford, said, oh, illegal immigration is good because it helps lubricate the job market.
01:52:04.500It's like some total bullshit, corn in.
01:52:07.280It's so, it's unbelievable that these people can get elected.
01:52:11.900Well, do you think that they really, do you think that they really believe that?
01:52:15.720Or do you think that they, they see that as a really, really, like, wizard level line of bullshit that they can use to justify doing the bidding of their donors?
01:52:26.660Oh, yeah, it's absolutely one and the same to me.
01:52:29.020But I do, I, I do think that there's a confluence in don't.
01:52:32.440I think that a lot of this ideology that's been constructed benefits donors.
01:52:37.880But I actually do think that a lot of these people actually believe it.
01:52:41.140Senator Jeff Flake totally ruined his political career because he refused to moderate his Cato belief in, you know, open borders and unlimited immigration.
01:52:54.920So it's like these people have actually killed their political careers to defend this bullshit.
01:53:47.380And that would actually play way more than a deal.
01:53:51.360Well, you know, and for it to not be a weak deal, you've really got to, uh, uh, have a lot of stuff going for it because I mean, we're talking about, what is it like 895,000 people that would be allowed to stay here.
01:55:00.660And to keep all of those knowing, you know, how they breed and how their children will breed and all that, uh, for, for there to be any kind of, I mean, you basically just have to reverse everything else about immigration.
01:55:15.740And I'm hoping that and praying that Trump will hold out on this because this is really the linchpin of everything.
01:55:25.820If he gives them DACA and we don't get something out of it that's enough to where in a certain number of years you say, oh, look, the percentage of white people has gone up like 3%, then it will have been a complete failure.
01:55:42.300You got to do it because I've seen, you know, I don't know how accurate this is, but I've seen people say, if you just pass the dream act or whatever the hell it's called, then you're looking at 30 or 40 million people with a chain migration.
01:55:54.120So it's like, if you, if, if you get this wrong, like you're really screwing us over and there's no reason for a lot of people to show up and even vote, uh, for you in 2020 or in the midterms in 2018.
01:56:08.540And I would say like this, if there is a deal, then we have to look at, there's, there's good organizations out there that are going to tell you how good the deal is.
01:56:18.120Like fair, for instance, federations of Americans for immigration reform.
01:56:22.860So they're going to be, we'll be able to, we don't have to just say, Oh, it's the worst thing ever.
01:57:07.280And, but I mean, well, not just the wall.
01:57:09.700I mean, I think, was it the head of ICE who came out yesterday or day before and said that he has submitted it to the Justice Department for review of the legality of it and has been talking to President Trump and the president agrees with him that they're considering charging these politicians who are passing laws or overseeing sanctuary cities, counties, and states.
01:57:55.840I mean, and you talk about, I mean, that's the type of thing that the people who really want the, you know, culture war now bring it to a head.
01:58:05.400That's the type of thing that would do it.
01:58:07.060Because, I mean, when all of a sudden these people who, I mean, the real thing is the left and the part of the right who are so invested in browning the country, when they see that suddenly this massive thing that is just one law being enforced has derailed it completely, then you're going to see some shit.
02:00:22.900And it's so meaningless that, I mean, you turn on Tucker Carlson, and he'll play video of these communists screaming that these Republicans are fascists.
02:00:34.100And then Tucker's like, no, you know, these Antifa, these communists, they're really the fascists.
02:01:15.260I would say one of the biggest things that's positive is not only do we sort of create this subculture almost out of nothing, people really believe in this.
02:01:58.040And so I think that there's something there that is extremely powerful that can be translated into something much greater with just a little bit of sort of not only savviness and ability, like we have a lot of talent, but also – where was I going with this?
02:02:20.460The savviness, the talent – no, I lost my train of thought.
02:02:25.740But you get where I'm heading with this.
02:02:31.700What I was going to say is sort of subordinating one's own sort of ideology to the greater good.
02:02:38.620Like, look, we have 18 different or 25 different ideologies, but we have to be a little bit careful not to become autistic and pedantic about it.
02:02:48.200We can come together and sort of work towards these goals and translate it into something greater.
02:05:10.700It was right up to the edge of what we could have done.
02:05:13.700And if I'd have thought that that were too edgy for it to work, then I would have backed off of it because the objective was to get people in office who were going to represent the interests of the actual citizens instead of trying to line their pockets.
02:05:38.880I was all over Twitter when, you know, people would call Trump a Nazi.
02:05:44.920I'd say, damn straight, and I'd post a picture of him in a Nazi uniform marching with Hitler and all to trigger these leftists or these cucks, whichever stage the thing was in.
02:05:56.800But I'm glad that you came on here, Ricky, because let me tell you, I want you – I really, really want you out there doing what you do.
02:06:05.900You have always been a really great asset to this movement, and I hope that people listening to this realize that you are not opposed to their ideologies.
02:06:20.320You're not opposed to them as individuals, and what we're talking about here is not going easy on the Jews or building some cucky alt-light movement.
02:06:31.480What we're talking about is trying to make the progress that we're able to make at this time, and that's no different than what we talk about on Daily Stormer.