01:09:00.580Well, that was when I was still, that was when I still didn't have a place.
01:09:03.780So that was when I was still like traveling.
01:09:06.360And I was in South Korea at the time, actually, when I commissioned you, when, when I came up, when I got the commission.
01:09:12.420So I, uh, I was kind of nervous because I was like, damn man, if, well, if in order to go to the animation work zone, in order to go into the zone, you have to have a stable setup and you need to be able to sit at your computer for like 12 hours a day.
01:09:26.080And if there's any sort of like disturbance or anything, like even just a minor event can totally fuck up your whole animation day because it requires like many, many, many hours just to, just to even get in the groove and get your mind right.
01:09:38.700And then suddenly everything comes together, snaps at like maybe 1 a.m. and you're finally like super, everything's going great.
01:09:45.440But, um, yeah, that, that took so long because I didn't get a setup for a while, but I, I got the setup in, in August and I, and I, um, really went, uh, full into animation around just, you know, September.
01:09:57.800So, uh, this next one I can do in probably like maybe four or five months I'm thinking.
01:10:03.960Uh, so, because I, because I have everything there.
01:10:06.600So definitely not 2019, definitely, uh, sooner, sooner than you're going to think.
01:10:14.760Well, I'll do my best not to start pestering you all the time, wondering when it's going to come out.
01:10:20.100Oh, well, don't do that because then it, because then it will feel like forever.
01:10:24.100Like I said, you know, there's just so many hours that go and do these things and so, so much, uh, hopelessness and, and strife, but it's all worth it at the end.
01:10:32.980Yeah, well, I guess let's shift gears a little bit because one of the reasons that I wanted to go through the thing and talk about it in such detail.
01:10:42.220Like I did is like I said, there are young people out there who are coming up who, whether it's art or whatever it is that they want to do,
01:10:52.900they, uh, they don't really have role models out there in the mainstream.
01:11:00.980I mean, the stuff they're being taught in schools and by the media are not going to teach them to go out there and seek their muse and try to make their dreams come true about whatever it is that they really are inspired to do.
01:11:17.240And based on, you know, interviews that you've done with me in the past, I would say that you are a person who, uh, though in a lot of ways, in various parts of your life, you were dealt a pretty shitty hand.
01:11:32.840You were never a person who was afraid to go out and like try to grab hold of the things that you were dreaming about.
01:11:40.060You always were working towards that and, um, unafraid to do so.
01:11:45.860What is it you think that made you that way?
01:11:49.100And what could you tell the young'uns coming up to help them along their way?
01:11:55.820Oh, well, that means a lot to hear you say that, uh, that you can notice that within me.
01:12:04.740Well, I think that for me, man, I mean, this animating and, and, and going out and getting my goals, you know, I just have this like burning, burning passion.
01:12:13.020And I always have, and I, I mean, when I was like five years old, I would like throw tantrums because I wanted to animate.
01:12:20.000And like, I even tried to animate when I was five, I like cut out little squares because I thought they had to be little for cells.
01:14:03.500I played it at recess for, like, many, many recesses when I was eight.
01:14:07.680And then we played the final battle in the woods in my friend's house.
01:14:12.260And that was one of the few times I was ever allowed to play in the woods.
01:14:15.200But it was, you know, that's just like such a magical memory of playing this, playing this game that I cannot explain.
01:14:22.480And, and, uh, in real life, you know, the, these, this, these childhood games, but anyway, I think that game like kind of was a preparation for what I'm doing now.
01:14:32.600Like, uh, then it's kind of like the same situation.
01:14:35.920We woke up and our seeming utopia, you know, of like cheeseburgers everywhere and free food and blah, blah, blah.
01:14:42.020But, you know, we're, we have to expel the Jews.
01:15:21.240It was just a burning passion that was always, always there.
01:15:24.340And, um, I just, I just had to do it just, just for the pure love of it.
01:15:29.880And if I didn't have this to thing to do to love, uh, I would have, I would have, you know, been destroyed.
01:15:37.340I would have been self, I would have self-destructed by now.
01:15:39.880I think that's what, what happens to most kids if they don't have an outlet like that.
01:15:44.400Um, well, I think that's definitely what happened to me.
01:15:48.500Um, you know, it's, it's not, it's well known that, uh, I spent decades, you know, destroying myself with booze and drugs and things like that.
01:16:00.820And I think it's because, you know, um, I, as a kid, I was very similar to you in a lot of ways.
01:16:07.320I was drawn to artistic and creative things, but I was, um, I finally let them convince me that there wasn't any way,
01:16:16.620that it wasn't a good idea for me to try and pursue that as an adult to make a living at that.
01:16:24.160And so I just went into normie jobs, you know, union factory jobs, you know, and then not that they were bad jobs or whatever.
01:16:31.280I mean, you know, everybody needs them.
01:16:33.680And I wish we had plenty more of those again now for people to go do, but it wasn't something I was suited to.
01:16:40.600And, um, you know, there was a, there was a part of me that of the biggest part of me that needed to be doing creative things that, um, I had to suppress and I didn't realize it at the time, but I was suppressing it with alcohol and drugs.
01:17:00.240And, um, that's why it's interesting to me to ask you about this, because I know like you're like anybody else, you got to make a living and you got to have a roof over your head and everything.
01:17:11.980And, um, but you, you never, I mean, like you always seem to have believed that you were going to make it as an artist and, and to make it as an artist in a field that even among other creative fields
01:17:28.880is not one that is well known for like, you know, there's lots of positions open.
01:17:35.440I mean, animation is a very small part of TV or movies or anything like that, but that's what you pursued.
01:17:45.920I never thought of it like a job, you know, I never cared about money.
01:17:50.240I know people say this a lot, but I literally never did.
01:17:53.280And I, I, you know, I, I did it solely because I loved it.
01:17:56.140I never even thought about a career, but yes, I knew I would be a great artist.
01:18:00.300I didn't think about it in like, I'm going to make money or I'm going to be a career artist.
01:18:03.820I just wanted to be known throughout history.
01:18:05.960You know, I wanted my works to go down in history.
01:18:09.080So, um, uh, definitely though, um, you know, I thought my whole life I was, you know, I thought I would, I had the pistachio gig and that allowed me many hours to do animation.
01:18:19.820So basically my plan was just to work this poverty job, which was enough to, you know, pay for my internet and, and my, my electricity so I can animate.
01:18:30.640So I was just going to do that for years and years and years.
01:18:33.360And obviously I had no conception of my biology or anything like that.
01:18:37.580I would just do the pistachio girl and animate.
01:18:40.160But that's the great thing about the alt-right is because not only did it force me into doing art full time and it did, and now I'm doing it and I'm animating full time, but I am doing it for a historical cause.
01:18:51.920So this is truly what is going to get my work going down in history.
01:18:56.500Well, yeah, I guess, you know, that's the most important thing, I guess, that, that I would say to people, to young people is if you, if you have something that's driving you really hard that you really want to do, you should do it.
01:19:12.300And even, and, and like what you did is a really good way to go.
01:19:16.780You work a normie job, but do the other thing.
01:19:20.220Not, don't do a classic nine to five, you know, do something where you can do commission or work from home or something that's not going to, because a nine to five, I never would have survived.
01:19:28.800I think that's one of the reasons why I'm still so youthful these days at like, I'm almost 28 now is because I've never had to be a career woman.
01:20:00.240You know, I think that's the one thing I envy about men the most is that they have their biological peak, you know, they can just keep going and going.
01:20:07.580Like, it would be very nice if I could, you know, work on my animation and just because I love it.
01:20:13.820You know, I, you know, most women that work, they don't love their jobs.
01:20:16.500They're just doing it for some sort of status symbol or something like that.
01:20:42.760And, and I know we're in the alt-right and this biological peak thing is very important.
01:20:47.660And I'm not going to say that it's not, but I have to say it's, it's certainly not everything, especially for someone who works in a creative field and does it well.
01:20:58.900The biological peak is not the be-all and end-all of everything.
01:21:03.560I mean, sure it is when it comes to having families and stuff like that.
01:21:07.460But as far as, you know, your life's work and all, I don't think it has much to do with that.