The Matt Walsh Show - August 09, 2025


Antidepressants Are Dangerous ｜ Proof For your Liberal Friend


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00:00:00.000 The anti-anxiety drug, which is currently prescribed to more than 8 million Britons, is linked to nearly 3,400 deaths.
00:00:08.420 These are dangerous, highly potent, psychotropic drugs.
00:00:12.880 Here's a report from the Tennessee Star as we continue to follow the revelations about the Covenant shooter.
00:00:21.600 And, of course, we had our report a few days ago, based on writings that were obtained by the Daily Wire, making the motives of the Covenant shooter, as the motives become clearer and clearer, and also the motives for covering it up also become clearer and clearer.
00:00:43.380 Well, here's another report.
00:00:45.320 This is the latest one.
00:00:49.140 It's from two days ago from the Tennessee Star.
00:00:52.520 It says, the headline is,
00:00:54.220 Fifth medication prescribed to Covenant killer Audrey Hale was an anti-anxiety drug associated with mania, hostility, and irritability.
00:01:03.700 It says, a photograph of medication bottles prescribed to Covenant school killer Audrey Elizabeth Hale reveals that she was given a fifth, previously unknown prescription.
00:01:12.720 This is in addition to the four medications previously reported by the Tennessee Star.
00:01:16.580 The image of the prescription bottles obtained by the Star, from a source familiar with the Covenant investigation, depict four orange, semi-transparent prescription bottles with blue lids and white labels.
00:01:28.180 All of the bottles are prescribed to Audrey E. Hale and bear the name of a psychiatric nurse practitioner who runs a practice based in Nashville.
00:01:35.140 An additional image of a receipt suggests at least one medication was prescribed by a Nashville psychiatrist who also operates his own practice.
00:01:43.860 The third and fourth prescription bottles bear the names of medications the Star reported after obtaining the Metro Nashville Police Department affidavit used to obtain a search warrant for Vanderbilt University Medical Center, where Hale was a 22-year mental health patient.
00:01:57.880 However, the second prescription bottle is labeled Lorazepam, which is also known as Ativan, an anti-anxiety medication.
00:02:09.240 Hale was not previously known to be taking this medication, and the partially visible instructions shown on the prescription bottle in the photograph suggests Hale took one tablet daily.
00:02:17.480 It was previously established by the Star that Hale was prescribed the anti-anxiety medication Buspirone, the allergy and anti-anxiety medication Hydroxazine, and the antidepressant Lexapro under its generic name is Scatalopram.
00:02:35.840 Okay, so this is prescription number five, and this is a drug, again, known to be associated with mania, hostility, and irritability.
00:02:49.840 Five prescriptions this person was on that we know of.
00:02:55.680 And all of them, or the majority of them, or the majority of them that we know of, were apparently supposed to be helping with anxiety, are supposed to be helping with mental health issues.
00:03:13.820 And at the same time, these are also drugs, at least in particular this latest one, that has known side effects.
00:03:30.100 And one of the side effects is hostility.
00:03:33.680 You know, we've talked about this plenty of times on the show.
00:03:35.840 I did a big monologue about it several months ago.
00:03:40.300 This is a common theme.
00:03:42.240 We find this is very often the case where you have these mass shooters, and you have to distinguish here because, you know, FBI data and the media, sometimes when they talk about mass shootings, they tend to lump together things like this, school shooting type mass shootings, with like gang violence in the city.
00:04:04.540 And those things are similar in terms of body count, similar in terms of, you know, how violent and terrible they are.
00:04:14.320 It's not like one is necessarily worse than the other.
00:04:18.620 Well, I mean, I think a school shooting, in many ways, is worse than gang violence.
00:04:25.220 But in terms of body count, the number of people that are being killed, you know, those with a similarity's end.
00:04:32.300 But I think we all understand intuitively that there is a distinction here.
00:04:37.320 There's a certain type of mass killing.
00:04:39.380 You know, gang violence is one type, and then there's this kind of mass killing.
00:04:46.680 And when it comes to this kind of mass killing, what you find so often is that these killers are on these kinds of drugs, antidepressants, anti-anxiety.
00:04:57.340 And very often, these are drugs that are known to have, as side effects, violence, aggression, hostility.
00:05:08.300 And then what do you know?
00:05:10.960 You have people that are taking these drugs that are lashing out exactly in that fashion, and yet the connection is never made.
00:05:20.440 At least it's not made in the mainstream.
00:05:21.820 It's not made by the corporate media.
00:05:23.680 We're not supposed to talk about it.
00:05:27.340 We're also not supposed to talk about the fact that, okay, you're giving somebody all these psychiatric drugs.
00:05:35.220 Apparently, they aren't working, which is why you keep giving her more.
00:05:39.380 So when you have someone, and they're on a psychiatric drug, and it's not having the effect that you want it to have.
00:05:45.840 And so the solution is, well, give them another drug.
00:05:49.080 And that's not working either, so just give them another drug.
00:05:51.640 And that's not working, let's do another one, and another one.
00:05:53.740 Let's just keep giving different drugs.
00:05:57.340 Even though it's clearly not working, which is why you keep giving them more and more.
00:06:01.480 This is extreme negligence at best.
00:06:11.340 When you have these doctors and psychiatrists who do this.
00:06:15.640 Just throw pill after pill at the problem.
00:06:18.320 When they're so clearly, there are all kinds of underlying problems here and issues, and just throw them pills at them.
00:06:29.880 And then when something horrific like this happens, there is no accountability for any of the people that were handing these drugs out like candy.
00:06:39.580 Daily Mail has this.
00:06:42.200 Here's the headline.
00:06:43.640 How an anti-anxiety drug, which is currently prescribed to more than 8 million Britons, is linked to nearly 3,400 deaths in the past five years.
00:06:53.600 An anti-anxiety drug, reading now from the article, which is prescribed to more than 8 million people in Britain, has been linked to thousands of deaths in the past five years.
00:07:01.740 It has been revealed.
00:07:02.460 Concerns have been raised about the impact of pregabillin, which is used by doctors to treat anxiety as well as epilepsy and nerve pain, with one saying prescribing it is like selling a car without brakes.
00:07:17.840 Use of the drug can lead to dependency, with some people becoming addicted to the euphoria that taking it can cause, while others become reliant on the relaxed feelings it can induce.
00:07:31.700 Those who have become addicted to it have compared it to trying to wean themselves off morphine and oxycodone, two drugs notorious for the ill effects they have on people who try to quit.
00:07:40.040 Pregabillin users have told MailOnline that the drug has led to erratic behavior, blurred vision, mood swings, and suicidal thoughts, with many now desperate to lower their dosage or come off the medication that has robbed them of their lives altogether.
00:07:52.540 It's been linked to nearly 3,400 deaths in Britain in the past five years alone.
00:07:56.960 The drug involved in 779 fatalities in 2022, up from just nine a decade earlier in 2012.
00:08:05.980 And so there's been a few reports about this drug that I've seen recently.
00:08:10.040 And all of the reports have focused on its prevalence overseas.
00:08:16.560 I don't know how prevalent it is here in the United States.
00:08:20.800 But, and this is just, you know, this is just the latest psychiatric drug that we're hearing about that have terrible side effects.
00:08:32.480 And this is why, you know, people accuse me of being anti-psychiatric drugs.
00:08:40.680 And I'm not, you know, because anti would mean that I'm taking the position that you should never prescribe it to anybody.
00:08:48.840 That all psychiatric drugs are bad in all circumstances, and they should never be prescribed to anybody under any circumstance.
00:08:54.460 That's not my position.
00:08:56.020 That's not my position.
00:08:56.920 My position is that, well, number one, there are way too many of these drugs, way too many.
00:09:04.180 And they're given out far too easily.
00:09:08.380 Now, the difference, and that part, you know, when I say that, almost everybody would agree.
00:09:12.700 Even the people that are on these drugs.
00:09:14.500 Even people that are on a cocktail of psychiatric drugs.
00:09:16.720 When they hear that, they'll go, oh yeah, it's way overprescribed.
00:09:18.860 Except the problem is that it's like it's way overprescribed, and everybody who it's been prescribed to will agree that it's way overprescribed.
00:09:27.540 Except that everyone who it's been prescribed to will say that it should have been prescribed to them.
00:09:33.720 So that's the interesting thing.
00:09:34.440 It's overprescribed, but we're not willing to look at any individual case and say, oh yeah, that person should not have gotten it.
00:09:41.320 It's a strange thing, isn't it?
00:09:42.780 When we all agree these drugs are overprescribed, but there's not any individual person who shouldn't have gotten it who did, apparently.
00:09:50.980 Because if you ever try to get more specific, this is where I run into trouble with people.
00:09:55.360 When you get more specific and you say, okay, well, here are some kinds of cases where I don't think they should give these drugs out.
00:09:59.520 Then all the people who agree it's overprescribed are going, what are you, a doctor?
00:10:05.780 You can't say that.
00:10:08.240 I thought you just agreed that it's overprescribed.
00:10:11.100 So can we get past that part of the conversation?
00:10:13.380 Start talking about the scenarios when we should not be giving these drugs out?
00:10:20.900 So when I say that it's overprescribed, I mean that, I don't mean it in the sense that
00:10:28.180 5 million people are on a certain drug and it should only be 4.5 million or something.
00:10:36.940 I don't mean it in that sense.
00:10:39.580 I mean it in the sense that 5 million people, just pulling a number out at random,
00:10:44.340 5 million people are on a certain psychiatric drug, but it should only be like 500 people who are on it.
00:10:51.720 Okay, that's what I mean by overprescribed.
00:10:52.840 I mean that these drugs, there's a certain portion of these drugs that really just should not be on the market at all.
00:11:01.480 And of the ones that have a valid application, it should be used in an absolute worst-case scenario.
00:11:10.960 And worst-case scenario as in no other methods are effective, and it's the only way to stop someone from doing something drastic, destructive, or self-destructive.
00:11:26.920 In that case, as a temporary, last-resort, band-aid measure, I can see a scenario where you use psychiatric drugs.
00:11:38.100 And those kinds of situations do happen, where you've got someone and they're just, they're in a state of total self-destruction.
00:11:48.200 And, and then, you know, you do whatever you have to do in that moment.
00:11:52.580 It's like, you know, I don't think that we should be going around, like if someone is depressed,
00:11:59.300 we shouldn't go and tackle them to the ground and drag them off to somewhere to get treatment.
00:12:03.640 And, however, if somebody's on the edge of a building and is about to jump, then in that case, when it's your only option,
00:12:11.340 then, yeah, you run up and you, and you tackle them.
00:12:13.520 And then you end up probably, hopefully taking them somewhere to get, whether they want to or not,
00:12:17.580 taking them somewhere to get, to get the help they need.
00:12:20.600 And I, I kind of look at psychiatric drugs the same way, and that's how I think everyone should look at them.
00:12:25.540 That's how I think the medical field should look at them.
00:12:29.420 That's how they should be used.
00:12:30.700 That's how they are, were originally meant to be used.
00:12:33.640 Not as, like, a daily thing that millions of people take for their whole lives.
00:12:44.180 And not, not, and not as a first resort, which is the other problem.
00:12:49.200 To become a first resort, coming to someone who comes in, they're struggling with anxiety.
00:12:52.760 Five seconds later, they got the prescription in their hand.
00:12:55.140 And not for anyone who's dealing with, basically, the normal challenges of, of being a human being in the world.
00:13:12.480 And that's why, when I read about anxiety drugs in particular, now, once again, there, there, there could be people who are basically crippled,
00:13:25.140 totally dysfunctional, unable to function, where they feel like they are, living completely self-destructive lives,
00:13:34.200 on the verge of, of, again, doing something drastic, potentially.
00:13:38.920 And maybe, in that case, some of these anti-anxiety drugs could have a place.
00:13:42.620 But, generally speaking, this is, you know, you know what it's used?
00:13:45.440 It's like maintenance.
00:13:46.460 They, they give these drugs out as maintenance for people.
00:13:49.080 People are just, you know, experiencing anxiety.
00:13:50.820 Everybody does.
00:13:51.420 Oh, my anxiety is different.
00:13:54.680 Probably not.
00:13:56.140 You think it is because it's yours, and you only have your own anxiety.
00:13:58.920 You can't really compare it to anybody else.
00:14:00.240 But, so you don't really know that.
00:14:03.600 But, you know, most people, it's just sort of like baseline anxiety that everybody has all the time.
00:14:09.680 And, it's hard to deal with.
00:14:13.440 Like, it's hard to be a person sometimes.
00:14:15.500 But, those are, all of those kinds of cases.
00:14:21.100 They, they should, should not be giving these drugs out.
00:14:24.400 And, and yet they do.
00:14:27.940 And, it's, it's, it doesn't matter how many of these headlines we see, people overdosing, dying, side effects.
00:14:36.780 It, it only gets worse and worse.
00:14:39.280 And, that's because, you know, we always hear about difficult conversations we should be having.
00:14:43.500 And, I kind of hate that phrase now.
00:14:45.500 We need to have a difficult conversation.
00:14:47.680 I hate the phrase, but in this case, this is actually a difficult conversation that we should be having as a society.
00:14:56.600 About mental illness and about these drugs that everybody's taking.
00:15:00.340 And, that every individual person taking it thinks they need it.
00:15:03.440 When, in reality, most of them don't.
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00:16:24.360 Well, yesterday we discussed the massive news laying bare yet another big pharma scam.
00:16:30.920 And I would say, and this is quite a statement, but the greatest big pharma scam of all time, I think.
00:16:37.620 When you look at the numbers involved, the money they've made off of it, and the damage caused, it is, again, it's saying a lot because there are a lot of them.
00:16:46.940 But I think this is the greatest, the biggest big pharma scam of all time.
00:16:50.920 And that is the claim that depression is rooted in a chemical imbalance in the brain.
00:16:58.740 And that is the basis upon which millions and millions of Americans for decades have been prescribed antidepressants in order to cure this chemical imbalance.
00:17:08.080 And now we find out that, well, that depression has nothing to do with a chemical imbalance.
00:17:14.620 It was a myth, a fiction.
00:17:17.560 At best, a guess.
00:17:19.980 A guess that was made decades ago and then glommed onto by institutions like big pharma because they could profit off of it.
00:17:29.960 Now, I say, and this is kind of, this is an important follow-up in the Daily Mail today because I say that, well, we just found out.
00:17:37.900 Well, it was just revealed that the chemical imbalance theory was false.
00:17:43.340 That's not actually true.
00:17:44.340 It was not just revealed.
00:17:45.560 This has actually been known for a long time.
00:17:48.960 So it's much worse than maybe we make it sound when we say that this just came out now.
00:17:56.000 Because then maybe big pharma has an excuse.
00:17:57.780 They could say, well, we didn't know.
00:17:59.960 Then we could blame them for not doing their due diligence, not doing enough research.
00:18:03.580 But then maybe they could plead ignorance.
00:18:05.920 I could say, we really didn't know.
00:18:07.440 We thought it worked.
00:18:09.680 Well, no.
00:18:10.400 Actually, for decades, it has been known that the chemical imbalance theory is not correct.
00:18:16.720 The Daily Mail has this.
00:18:18.860 Psychiatrists have been aware for years that low serotonin levels may not cause depression despite continuing to prescribe the pills, a chair of psychology has said.
00:18:26.740 Dr. Jonathan Raskin from State University of New York told DailyMail.com he'd been concerned that the theory that depression was caused by low serotonin levels was incomplete for a while.
00:18:36.300 He said many medics continue to prescribe the medication even while they were unsure if they were effective because it was easier than offering more time-intensive care.
00:18:44.840 The pills could still help some patients, he added, but they're not a cure-all for those suffering from depression.
00:18:51.420 This week, a landmark UK study called into question society's ever-growing reliance on antidepressants like Prozac.
00:18:55.520 And so then it reviews the study, which we're going to need to go over again.
00:19:02.980 But the point is that this has been known by the psychiatrist.
00:19:07.020 Quote, depression is a complicated issue, and the idea that we would be able to reduce it simply to serotonin is not right.
00:19:11.580 When we give antidepressants, we don't do this based on biological tests showing they don't have enough serotonin, but if we think it could help them.
00:19:18.940 Asked whether people should keep taking the pills, he said, I think that this is a conversation worth having.
00:19:26.980 I'm not going to say people should or should not be on them, but I think there has been a lot of popular dissemination of the idea that we have reduced depression to low serotonin levels.
00:19:35.360 So this has been known.
00:19:38.120 Speaking of what people have known for years, there's an article in the Scientific American 11 years ago.
00:19:44.180 Back in 2011, this is what was published.
00:19:48.940 It says, in a New York Times essay in defense of antidepressants, Peter Kramer, professor of psychiatry at Brown, insists that antidepressants work ordinarily well on a par with other medications doctors prescribe.
00:20:01.140 Kramer's article seeks to rebut a wave of negative coverage of antidepressants, most notably a two-part essay in the New York Review of Books by Marsha Engel, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine and now a lecturer in social medicine at Harvard.
00:20:13.120 Angel cites research suggesting that antidepressants may not be any more effective than placebos for treating most forms of depression.
00:20:21.520 Angel highlights a meta-analysis carried out by the psychologist Irving Kirsch of trials of a half-dozen popular antidepressants submitted by drug companies to the FDA.
00:20:31.320 Many of the studies were never published because they failed to yield positive results.
00:20:36.840 Let's stop there for a second.
00:20:38.180 These were studies that failed to yield positive results, and so they just didn't publish them.
00:20:43.780 And when we say positive results, we mean results that affirm the effectiveness of antidepressants.
00:20:49.840 They were not able to affirm it, confirm it, and so they just didn't publish the studies.
00:20:54.420 After analyzing all the FDA studies, Kirsch concluded that placebos are 82% as effective as antidepressants.
00:21:03.780 According to Kirsch, this difference vanishes if antidepressants are compared to active placebos,
00:21:09.260 which are compounds that block certain nerve receptors and cause dry mouth and other symptoms that have distinct side effects.
00:21:16.140 This is 2011 again, over a decade ago.
00:21:22.360 It was known and being published that when you put an antidepressant up against a placebo, there is almost no difference.
00:21:31.760 And then the difference goes away completely with active placebos.
00:21:34.300 And why does the active placebo matter?
00:21:35.940 Well, because if they give you, you know, if you give someone just basically a sugar pill,
00:21:40.360 but it has certain compounds in it that causes a side effect, dry mouth, something like that,
00:21:44.360 then they're going to really feel like, oh, well, this thing is working.
00:21:47.020 And then they're going to convince themselves that they feel better, and now they do feel better.
00:21:53.740 It was published 11 years ago, but it was known much sooner than that.
00:21:58.400 The FDA knew it, but the studies weren't published because it didn't help big pharma.
00:22:02.240 This is why I say this is the greatest big pharma scandal of all time.
00:22:07.900 This is a massive scandal.
00:22:10.420 They're prescribing these drugs with, by the way, the drugs that they're giving out are not sugar pills.
00:22:15.760 These are dangerous, highly potent, psychotropic drugs with serious side effects,
00:22:25.200 including suicide.
00:22:28.400 These are mind-altering substances that big pharma was giving out knowing that they didn't work.
00:22:40.180 Or at the very least, they didn't work the way they claimed they were working.
00:22:45.140 And that you could just give sugar, you could actually give sugar pills to at least 82% of these people,
00:22:49.280 and they would feel the same.
00:22:50.340 I'm hoping this is a red pill moment for lots of people, you know,
00:22:57.980 about big pharma and also the psychiatric industry.
00:23:03.360 The ultimate red pill moment is to realize that the whole basis of modern psychology
00:23:09.420 is built on a flawed understanding of human nature.
00:23:12.120 Because I've been talking about big pharma and implicating them, but it's not just them.
00:23:15.580 Yeah, big pharma is out there making the billions and trillions of dollars,
00:23:19.560 but how are the drugs getting prescribed?
00:23:23.960 Big pharma is the system, the meat grinder that people are being fed into,
00:23:28.340 the wood shipper that they're being thrown into.
00:23:31.540 But who's picking people up and tossing them into it?
00:23:34.960 Psychiatrists?
00:23:36.020 Doctors?
00:23:36.340 And we'll know that we're really getting somewhere when we start to question
00:23:42.580 the fundamental basis of so much of modern psychiatry.
00:23:49.540 Because the idea that we hear from psychiatrists is that there is a baseline sort of normal,
00:23:55.220 desirable, healthy personality and disposition and emotional and mental makeup for the human person.
00:24:02.180 And that this baseline is knowable and enforceable,
00:24:05.500 and that everything that falls outside of the baseline is a disease.
00:24:10.020 And it's a disease in the same way, no different from how cancer or diabetes is a disease,
00:24:14.860 and can be treated the same sort of way.
00:24:17.920 The claim is that the human mind, not just the brain, but the mind,
00:24:23.680 which is your consciousness, your conscious experience,
00:24:27.000 can be sick in the same way that a physical part of your body is sick.
00:24:32.940 And that psychiatrists in the pharmaceutical industry have the ability to determine
00:24:36.580 what is the right sort of conscious experience,
00:24:40.600 and through drugs, they can heal your conscious experience
00:24:44.000 and make it go from wrong to right.
00:24:46.520 There are so many embedded assumptions in all of that.
00:24:50.820 Like, how do you know any of this?
00:24:52.420 Who are you to say?
00:24:53.840 How can you take a drug that heals your mind?
00:24:56.240 I mean, all of these questions that aren't even asked.
00:24:59.260 The Daily Mail article yesterday said that 90% of the public thinks that the chemical imbalance theory is correct,
00:25:07.080 even though, as we talked about yesterday, if you'd done just a little bit of research,
00:25:10.940 you would have known before this article came out that the chemical imbalance theory is unsupported.
00:25:15.000 And before doing the research, you could have thought about it and realized that, like,
00:25:19.500 it doesn't really make sense anyway.
00:25:24.200 You know, one of the things that I've been hearing over the last 24 hours is that people saying,
00:25:29.780 well, you know, even if the drugs don't work the way that they said that the drugs work, it still works, right?
00:25:36.280 I take it and I feel better.
00:25:38.920 But are you okay with that?
00:25:41.660 You're okay with taking a drug where the people giving it to you don't really know what it does or how it works.
00:25:51.800 It affects your mind.
00:25:54.560 And they don't really know how it affects your mind.
00:25:58.020 And the ways that they said it will work are wrong because they lied to you.
00:26:03.260 But it makes you feel better, so you take it anyway.
00:26:05.600 I mean, that's an individual choice.
00:26:06.760 I'm not telling you to take it or not to take it.
00:26:09.980 But if it were me, I'd be very uncomfortable.
00:26:12.780 I'd be very uncomfortable with that.
00:26:14.160 Like, this is me, and I confess, maybe I'm different from a lot of people.
00:26:21.620 I feel this way about all medication.
00:26:23.040 Not that I don't take it, but I just, before I put anything in my body,
00:26:26.660 before I take any kind of medicine at all, I need to know, like, everything about it.
00:26:30.660 And I want to know about all the side effects.
00:26:32.520 And I want to start thinking to myself, you know, whatever I'm trying to treat right now,
00:26:36.120 is it worth the potential side effects?
00:26:37.340 And, like, sometimes it is.
00:26:38.360 So it's not like I never take it in medicine, but I'm just always kind of skeptical.
00:26:44.160 And so if someone gave me something that's going to affect my mind,
00:26:48.360 and then I said, well, how does this work?
00:26:49.940 And they said, I don't know.
00:26:51.460 I'm not taking that.
00:26:53.280 That's me.
00:26:56.340 Also, as just reviewed, it actually doesn't seem to work.
00:26:59.560 Like, there's very good evidence that it simply does not work at all.
00:27:06.060 You know, if it can barely beat a sugar pill in a trial,
00:27:11.160 then that's an indication that it actually doesn't work.
00:27:14.660 What's working is your mind, actually.
00:27:17.280 Like, you believe that you're going to feel better, and so you do.
00:27:20.740 That's your mind doing the work.
00:27:21.860 It's not the pill.
00:27:24.340 And it's a very difficult thing to judge anyway, if it works or not.
00:27:27.540 Because when we say, well, it works, what do we mean?
00:27:29.740 We mean, well, I feel better.
00:27:32.040 But do you feel better because of the chemicals in the pill, which would be the pill working?
00:27:38.620 Or do you feel better because of your belief about the pill?
00:27:43.260 Or maybe because of lifestyle changes you've made alongside of taking the pill?
00:27:47.100 Or maybe because of the therapy that you're getting alongside the pill?
00:27:49.180 Like, how do you know that it's the pill working?
00:27:51.100 These are all interesting questions.
00:27:54.280 But do we know that the kid's gone?
00:27:57.280 How do I feel bad?
00:27:58.780 How do you know that the time of thinking is on your McGill?
00:28:00.320 How do we know that?
00:28:02.600 Did he get along?
00:28:03.620 It's the thing that is struggling.
00:28:05.600 I do not care.
00:28:06.720 How do you know what it is?