The Matt Walsh Show - Daily Wire Backstage： America’s Identity Crisis

00:00:00.000 Hey, it's Matt Walsh, and you're about to listen to our most recent episode of Backstage. Join me,

00:00:03.700 Michael Knowles, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, and Candace Owens, while we discuss the impeachment

00:00:07.280 inquiry, setting age limits for our political leaders, and a man who tried to cross the

00:00:11.520 Atlantic in a human-powered hamster wheel. Not going to want to miss that last story. Thanks for listening.

00:00:30.000 Two, one, fake laugh. That was a real laugh from Candace. Welcome to Daily Wire's Backstage.

00:00:45.500 Tonight, I am joined by Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Andrew Klavan, the lovely Candace Owens. I am not

00:00:52.060 Jeremy Boring. I'm Michael Knowles. We have quite a lot to get to this evening. Forget about the

00:00:59.980 news stories. Forget about the impeachment for a second. Forget about Emily Ratajkowski for a

00:01:04.820 second. Forget about the man in the giant hamster wheel crossing the Atlantic Ocean if you can.

00:01:10.120 I want to talk about convicting a murderer. Candace, your documentary series is out.

00:01:17.380 You're proving that dirty, rotten guy to be completely guilty. I don't know. I haven't

00:01:21.180 seen all the episodes yet. Yes. Well, I can't tell. You're going to have to become a Daily Wire

00:01:24.480 Plus member to subscribe to see all of the episodes. But yes, we released convicting last week.

00:01:29.260 Very exciting. It's obviously, it feels like a labor of love. And it is a very interesting story

00:01:34.760 to dive into, especially after doing the BLM doc. Because I think people always think that we jump

00:01:40.080 or I jump into something racially. And it's really just about wrong is wrong and right is right.

00:01:46.660 The Stephen Avery case came so much before BLM, but right when BLM was getting started and there

00:01:53.280 was this anti-police sentiment and Netflix kind of seized on that moment culturally to make people

00:01:59.640 believe that a guy, a most contemptible person, once you really get into his history,

00:02:04.680 was plausibly being set up by the police. And it was a smash docuseries at the time. It honestly put

00:02:10.540 Netflix on the map. Back in 2015, all the usual suspects of celebrities going out there and saying

00:02:16.900 he was innocent. Alec Baldwin, update, he's killed someone since. You have Chrissy Teigen,

00:02:25.240 Trevor Noah, and finally white people see that the system's corrupt. Everything that you could

00:02:31.320 expect. And bizarrely, the people that thought he was guilty from the beginning, James Franco,

00:02:39.380 Matt Walsh, just unbelievable.

00:02:41.500 Me and James Franco line up on a lot of things.

00:02:43.160 It's just crazy. And Donnie Wahlberg were standing against the...

00:02:47.720 That's a murderer's row right here.

00:02:48.620 I know. I just, I like that trio. I don't know. It feels right.

00:02:53.020 The prophets are right.

00:02:53.720 You knew. Drew knew that he was guilty.

00:02:54.900 But I think everyone's guilty. I mean, I would like you to spend the rest of your career just

00:02:58.620 convicting people who've gotten off by TV people.

00:03:01.540 Isn't the rule reverse serial?

00:03:03.200 They're always guilty.

00:03:03.860 They're always guilty. I mean, everybody, because the cops arrest people who are guilty most of the time.

00:03:08.140 Right. But you know what's interesting is we're kind of in this spell right now

00:03:10.620 in American society where they are pursuing this plot line everywhere that the villains are actually

00:03:15.740 the heroes. And in the imaginary world, like Disney movies, like Maleficent, suddenly actually,

00:03:21.480 no, there's a heart there. The Joker, no, you really have to hear the backstory. It doesn't

00:03:24.520 really matter that he killed somebody. Actually, deep down, something happened to him and the

00:03:28.220 villain is actually the hero. And we see this over and over again happening. Wicked, the green witch,

00:03:33.460 actually, she had a soul and people wronged her. But when it trips over into real life,

00:03:38.160 it gets quite dangerous. It really does get quite dangerous. And the cult behind Stephen Avery,

00:03:44.180 the fact that he's had multiple fiancés in prison, that women are lining up, that they love him,

00:03:49.040 which happens anyways, Ted Bundy. It's a weird phenomenon that people want to marry

00:03:52.940 a psychopathic killer, I guess. But to see how it impacts the lives of the victims who suddenly are

00:03:58.980 accused of, in the case of Teresa Hallback, being alive. Right. People came up with conspiracy theories

00:04:05.840 because they watched a Netflix doc, harassed the family, deeply faithful Catholic family,

00:04:10.360 never spoke to the press, told them the daughter was alive. They said they traced the cows and she

00:04:15.520 was in Mexico. I mean, really out there theories. And you had the majority of people that were willing

00:04:21.780 to believe it because of a documentary, which brings into the question, why do we

00:04:25.660 trust documentaries naturally more than like a movie? A movie, you go, okay, some level of propaganda

00:04:30.820 and storytelling. But a documentary, they obviously are telling me the truth on Netflix and the

00:04:35.240 Central Park Fiverr are innocent, right? And Jeffrey Dahmer just actually had a bad childhood.

00:04:42.800 It's incredible. Netflix does this over and over and over again. They love a villain

00:04:45.720 is actually the hero story.

00:04:48.260 What? One thing you learned from the way people react to these kinds of fake documentaries is that

00:04:54.040 I think there's a crisis in our culture of people not having finely tuned BS detectors,

00:04:59.700 which you need to have that. There should just be things that jump out at you.

00:05:04.080 So for me, it was, we talked about this in the Twitter space, the X space, I guess now,

00:05:08.600 that when I learned in the Steve, I watched Making a Murderer and then I learned that,

00:05:14.140 and they kind of gloss over this and they mention it, they gloss over it, but that he doused a cat

00:05:18.580 in gasoline and set the cat on fire. Now, that doesn't mean that he's guilty of murdering,

00:05:23.660 raping a woman.

00:05:24.160 And who among us?

00:05:25.140 Right, exactly. It's like, that's the kind of thing that you hear that it should immediately make you think,

00:05:29.700 well, something's not right. It's kind of the same thing. I think it's very similar to,

00:05:32.660 not to change the topics, but, you know, the Free Britney Movement and there was a whole

00:05:35.820 Britney Spears documentary. And then you learn with Britney Spears that, well, wait a second,

00:05:39.280 she lost custody of her kids in California, you know, as a mother. Again, it doesn't mean that

00:05:44.540 she necessarily deserved to be under a conservatorship, but it's one of those things

00:05:49.120 that you hear that and it should make you think, well, I got to learn more about this.

00:05:52.420 But people don't, they don't connect those dots.

00:05:54.200 One of the things that's really fascinating about this particular case, and I think you're

00:05:58.020 exactly right to focus in on the sort of undermining of legal institutions on this one,

00:06:02.760 is that there have been so many, as you mentioned, podcasts like Serial or documentaries like this

00:06:08.740 one that are basically outsiders to the justice system who, and I promise you, I worked in a

00:06:13.720 prosecutor's office for a summer at one point. And one of the things that's very obvious is that

00:06:17.620 if you spin reasonable doubt to mean literally any doubt, you can construct any story you could

00:06:22.220 possibly want to construct. It's really not that difficult. You can go through all the evidence

00:06:26.020 and you can find like the most crazy explanations for things and then hook those together. And you

00:06:30.580 can do it in literally any case. It's really not difficult to do it in any case. But if you don't

00:06:33.740 know the system, then you've never really experienced that before. And so it feels like

00:06:36.720 something new. It feels like, oh my God, no one presented some of the evidence that was on the

00:06:40.060 other side, even if it was presented in court, or even if they're actually taking things out of

00:06:43.840 context. So I think it comes back to a level of institutional trust. And so you can have a

00:06:48.540 documentarian go in and sort of weasel their way into the institutional

00:06:51.920 mistrust and then blow it up with a case like this, even if the case is bad.

00:06:55.620 It's also if people have never seen a cop work outside of television.

00:06:59.820 This is right.

00:07:00.260 Because, you know, the police, God love them. I love the cops. But they're not Sherlock Holmes.

00:07:04.440 I mean, in Britain, they call them Mr. Plod. And there's a reason for that. They plod along

00:07:08.320 until they've got the guy. And a lot of times, you know, even when the defense brings in

00:07:13.860 police misconduct, it's usually misconduct because they know he's the killer.

00:07:18.360 And they think, all right, we'll cheat a little bit here.

00:07:21.220 Well, actually, that's a great example because you do see this all the time where you'll see

00:07:23.680 a tape of a police officer doing a thing. And everybody goes, oh my God, that's so horrifying.

00:07:27.020 The police officer does the thing. And it's because you've never seen a police officer do

00:07:29.560 a thing before.

00:07:30.000 Right. And they're held to such high expectations. And it's funny that you said, because I mentioned

00:07:33.480 that, that people assume it's like the movies that they're like, well, why are the same

00:07:37.180 police officers involved in this case? But we're also involved when Stephen Avery was, I'm

00:07:41.700 like, have you been to Manitowoc County, Wisconsin? How many police officers do you think

00:07:46.560 they even have out here? And then there's this moment in the documentary because we had the

00:07:50.960 police officers, which I, you know, Netflix attempted to finger as there. They were just

00:07:55.380 in it for a plot and they didn't want to pay out this $36 million lawsuit. And it's just

00:08:00.160 so interesting to hear them say, yeah, we made a couple of mistakes. We're human beings.

00:08:05.060 If I knew this was going to be turned into a Netflix docu-series and that I would be getting

00:08:10.740 death threats from Norway, maybe I would have not made that phone call without, you know,

00:08:17.380 on my cell phone as opposed to on the police radio. I mean, it's like little mistakes like

00:08:21.460 that. And that's all they needed to believe that Teresa was gone. This victim was gone

00:08:26.600 with the cows in Mexico.

00:08:28.160 There's also something they call the CSI syndrome, which, whereas people actually think that police

00:08:32.680 departments have these things where they can find an atom, you know, of blood spatter,

00:08:36.600 five rooms down. Most police departments are lucky they have a mimeograph machine or like,

00:08:42.780 you know, an old Polaroid camera. You know, it's just, they really do not understand what

00:08:47.720 police work is and how much of a plot it is, how much of a, just the kind of going down

00:08:52.700 the steps until you get to the guy who's obviously the killer.

00:08:56.680 I wonder if, too, part of it is that we're now suffering from this moment where no one has

00:09:01.160 trust in any institutions. And I don't blame the people for that. I largely blame the institutions,

00:09:06.280 but, you know, when that happens, what we call conspiracy theories spread. Why do conspiracy

00:09:11.600 theories spread? Well, because often these days, the difference between a conspiracy theory and the

00:09:15.600 truth is about six months. And then neither side believes in our elections anymore. And obviously

00:09:21.040 neither side is going to believe in the justice system. But I don't know, sometimes they get the

00:09:26.840 guy, don't they?

00:09:27.600 Right, exactly. And I am fascinated by the psychological elements of it, just really understanding the

00:09:32.660 fandom of Stephen Avery and the people that were willing to look over things like burning

00:09:36.840 the cat, tying a dog. His dog ran and got loose. And according to his brother, who's featuring this

00:09:44.860 documentary, he got angry because the dog got loose. And so he tied it to a chain to his pickup

00:09:49.040 truck and just dragged it down, drove it down the street. This is not normal behavior, but to see the

00:09:53.980 justification that people will make and just be like, well, it doesn't mean that he eventually killed

00:09:57.700 a woman. Oh, well, he held a rifle to his cousin and ordered her into the car while she had a

00:10:03.960 toddler in the car. Well, it doesn't mean he's capable of, I mean, they just keep going. And

00:10:06.760 then, well, how about the fact that he murdered someone?

00:10:10.640 I got the tough card here.

00:10:12.800 It's incredible, yeah.

00:10:14.780 There's also the assumption, we talked about this off air a little bit, but the conspiracy

00:10:17.620 theories, there's this, one of the problems with conspiracy theories is the assumption people make

00:10:21.160 that government employees are capable, are so competent that they can come up with these

00:10:26.320 kinds of plots. They hatch them and then they execute them.

00:10:29.300 Oh, so we're talking about aliens now, sorry.

00:10:30.920 Oh, we can get to that because we found out off air that Candace Owens is a big supporter of the

00:10:36.020 You know, over 8 million people across all platforms have seen this great documentary series.

00:10:43.400 It is the second most popular TV documentary on Rotten Tomatoes. Episode 4 drops this Thursday

00:10:50.060 night. Take a look.

00:10:52.460 Coming up on Convicting a Murderer.

00:10:54.300 What would be the upside for this man? I mean, he just got out of prison, he has this new lease

00:11:00.020 on life. What would be the motive for something like this?

00:11:03.560 We're talking about somebody with unexplainable, impulsive behavior, a pattern of violence and

00:11:09.600 aggression.

00:11:10.480 There were a lot of coincidences on the day that Teresa Hallibach was killed and Making a

00:11:15.320 Murderer either completely omitted them or only presented half of the story.

00:11:20.660 Stephen Avery leaves work and doesn't tell his brothers.

00:11:23.460 He'd never used his sister's phone number to book an appointment before.

00:11:27.780 Stephen Avery makes two phone calls to Teresa's phone. Why is he blocking his caller ID?

00:11:34.160 I don't think Teresa liked Stephen the way Stephen wanted her to like him.

00:11:40.080 You are the murderer because you turned your phone.

00:11:42.320 Candice, if they haven't watched yet, where can they watch?

00:11:52.600 Daily Wire Plus.

00:11:53.860 At dailywireplus.com. They can head over there. The first episode we actually put up for free

00:11:57.480 on YouTube, which I think will be enough to hook you. We've really done an excellent job

00:12:01.440 with this series. I'm very proud of what we've done. And then we have episode two available

00:12:05.480 as well as free in case episode one did not hook you. And then you will have to become a Daily Wire Plus

00:12:10.860 subscriber, dailywireplus.com. You can't go wrong. I do want to ask you guys a question.

00:12:15.880 It was something that I started asking.

00:12:16.540 If you bring up these aliens, so help me.

00:12:18.280 No, I'm not.

00:12:18.900 I wanted to go back to that point.

00:12:19.600 We're going to get there, but I do want to ask you guys this question about just this series,

00:12:22.720 like a moral question. And I was kind of prodding you with this on the X space. But,

00:12:27.020 you know, Brendan Dassey is the second person who's spending life in prison. He was 16 years old.

00:12:30.920 His uncle kind of coaxed him into this crime. And it's interesting that even the people that

00:12:34.520 believe that Stephen Avery is guilty have this soft spot for Brendan Dassey. Now,

00:12:38.320 I'd just like to say she was raped by both men. She was stabbed. She was shot. She was set on fire.

00:12:43.320 This is a 22-year-old woman with her entire life ahead of her. What is your opinion when a youth

00:12:49.500 is involved in a crime? Because they kind of have been like, well, it's just sad. Even the reporters

00:12:53.480 that are involved in the case that he's spending the rest of his life in prison. And I just think

00:12:57.100 when I was 16, there was no person that could have coaxed me into doing all of these things

00:13:02.760 to a person. So do we just say, oh, yeah, he should be out because his uncle, you know,

00:13:09.360 coerced him or not coerced him, but, you know, manipulated him?

00:13:13.260 It doesn't. Here's what's the other option? Because I think everyone would agree that I hope

00:13:18.560 everyone would agree that you can't do nothing. You can't just let him murdered and raped someone.

00:13:23.860 So you can't just let him go. The other option is to what? To send him to prison, let him kind of

00:13:27.920 like marinate in that environment with a bunch of other psycho killers for five or ten years and

00:13:32.420 then release him back into society. So that's not a tenable option. It's not justice. It's also

00:13:37.420 not safe for society. So really, that's I kind of feel the same way about the, you know, when people

00:13:42.640 cry, you know, plead insanity. It's like, well, even if that is the reason that you did this horrible

00:13:47.440 thing, you still did it. Right. And and if you are not capable of understanding that you shouldn't

00:13:53.280 behave that way, that's all the more reason to keep you segregated from society for the rest of your

00:13:57.400 life. I think in a perfect world, there would be a health care. I mean, he was the one thing in that

00:14:01.060 documentary. I'm like a total hard ass about these things. The minute I see the documentary

00:14:05.240 girl come on and say, well, we just wanted to explore if this person, I think he's guilty. Go

00:14:08.900 away. Go home. But the one thing that tweaked some dead spark of compassion in me is the fact that

00:14:15.800 he seemed to be retarded. He seemed to be a little mentally ill. And in a perfect world, there would be

00:14:21.960 some, you know, like in the movie Halloween, some place where you could put insane people. But

00:14:27.420 there's just not. That's the perfect world. But he wasn't mentally retarded. He is stupid. But all

00:14:31.640 criminals, to some degree, are very stupid. I mean, criminal is not like a high IQ population.

00:14:36.320 No, Unabomber is pretty high. Get away with these things, right? Generally, they're...

00:14:39.680 I think that a lot of this also has to do with our society's weird perspectives on when people are

00:14:46.900 responsible for their actions based on age. Right. I mean, we'll say that a 16-year-old

00:14:50.660 boy can say that he's a girl and we'll immediately start eating him full of hormones. Or we'll say

00:14:54.680 that a 16-year-old girl can get an abortion and suddenly that's her choice. But if a 16-year-old

00:14:58.920 boy rapes and murders someone, then all of a sudden it's like, well, that is an innocent child. How

00:15:03.200 dare you? And, you know, this is something that is relatively newfangled, honestly. Like it's...

00:15:08.300 Even if you go back to the 1950s in the United States, the notion that a 16-year-old who did this

00:15:13.540 would not be tried and convicted as an adult would have been insane. Because the idea would have been,

00:15:17.760 you're an adult. I mean, if you're 16, they used to... Now, we've got 25-year-olds and 30-year-olds

00:15:22.040 now who aren't adults. I mean, the sort of reversion to childhood, I think, for a lot of

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00:15:34.120 not responsible for other things. At 18, you're allowed to join the military. But if it's an 18-year-old

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00:18:31.440 Speaking of convicting people of things, did you see the House Republicans are looking into

00:18:38.220 impeaching Mr. Joe Biden? House Speaker Kevin McCarthy just announced it today. He says that

00:18:43.940 they've got a lot of juicy dirt on him. And so they've got serious, credible allegations into

00:18:48.860 Biden's conduct that will serve as the basis of an impeachment inquiry. Just very quickly,

00:18:53.160 there's not a ton to say about this because we impeach every president now. You know,

00:18:57.380 it's not exactly... Multiple times. Multiple times if we can.

00:19:00.900 Is this smart or stupid for the Republicans to do? Well, I mean, there's a question for McCarthy

00:19:06.620 and then there's a question for Republicans more broadly. So it's not stupid to push an impeachment

00:19:10.460 of Biden unless you can't get the votes on the Republican side. Then it's stupid.

00:19:14.680 This is the real danger. The real danger is you bring it up for a vote and you actually don't get a

00:19:17.920 majority even with a Republican majority. That's your real danger because then you look foolish and you look

00:19:21.660 vindictive. Democrats got all their people on side. I'm not sure that Republicans are going to get

00:19:26.200 all their people on side. What McCarthy did here was he was being held hostage by a group. First of

00:19:31.040 all, can I just put this out there? Legally speaking, the term impeachment inquiry doesn't

00:19:34.760 mean anything. It doesn't grant you any extra serious legal power. You already have subpoena power

00:19:38.840 in the Congress. You already have the power to compel testimony theoretically. So it doesn't add

00:19:42.660 anything. It's just like a thing you say. It's the equivalent of Michael Scott saying,

00:19:46.260 I declare bankruptcy. That's really what it is. It's like, now we officially have an impeachment

00:19:49.840 inquiry. And the media is like, breaking news, impeachment inquiry. If you want to impeach the

00:19:53.040 guy, just impeach the guy. But the reality is that, you know, I think that what happened here

00:19:57.460 is that McCarthy was getting pressure from his right flank on the budget deal. And he said, okay,

00:20:01.920 fine, I'm going to do the impeachment inquiry. He doesn't actually have the votes to open the

00:20:04.680 impeachment inquiry, which is why he did it without a vote. If he could have done it with a vote,

00:20:07.620 he would have done it with a vote. He didn't have the votes. So he simply declared without a vote

00:20:10.640 that there would be no impeachment inquiry. Also, that's what Pelosi did last. That's Pelosi did.

00:20:14.100 So he can certainly get away with that. It's a smart political move on his part. My generalized feeling

00:20:19.340 about, quote unquote, impeachment inquiries is like, everybody knows the story. So either

00:20:22.380 impeach the guy or don't impeach the guy. I don't know what an inquiry is going to do at this point

00:20:27.280 other than theoretically, possibly, if there's not impeachment at the end of the inquiry, it's a

00:20:30.960 giant fail, right? So why would you light that candle? It's not going to burn. It doesn't make

00:20:36.260 any sense to me. Where there's smoke, sometimes there isn't fire. Now, is it possible that in this

00:20:41.620 inquiry, they could get more proof? Because I don't know what more proof you need. I'll be honest with you.

00:20:46.340 Like, I'm sick of hearing that there's no evidence and there's no proof. It's absurd.

00:20:49.860 There's a full on text from Hunter Biden to his daughter talking about paying half of his dad's

00:20:53.060 bills. We know that he went around to a bevy of countries and collected $20 million in checks on

00:20:57.680 behalf of various causes. We know that Joe Biden has been trafficking using his name since he was 30

00:21:01.960 years old in the United States Senate. I mean, all of this is like well documented. He was using his

00:21:05.740 connections in Delaware to get MBNA to hire Hunter. He was trafficking with unions back in his early

00:21:12.180 days in Delaware. I mean, the guy's corrupt as the day is long.

00:21:14.320 They used to call him the senator from MBNA, from this bank in Delaware.

00:21:18.540 He literally was calling into meetings with his son like, I'm not sure what else you would need

00:21:21.900 if you want to hit him on a corruption charge. And this is the thing that I am concerned about

00:21:25.940 is I don't know that they're going to actually have another shoe to drop. Because here's the

00:21:29.440 thing. Let's say that you're Joe Biden. Do you actually need the money coming into your bank

00:21:32.860 account personally? I doubt it. If it comes into Hunter's bank account and then Hunter is living at

00:21:37.560 your house and Hunter just buys a car and then you use the car sometimes. Or let's, I mean,

00:21:41.380 we all have kids. So, you know, if you were bribing me theoretically by giving my kid a job,

00:21:46.520 that is a form of bribery to me, I would think. That is a form of payment. Especially if he's a

00:21:51.980 derelict like Hunter Biden, who's like literally one of the worst people alive, like unemployable,

00:21:57.600 drug addicted, prostitute, abusing piece of garbage. And like you're getting a multimillion

00:22:01.820 dollar, like that is a bribe. Is it not?

00:22:04.060 See, I think Ben's take on this is highly moral and ethical. And that's why I disagree with him.

00:22:09.240 I think this is a good political move, both for McCarthy and for the Republicans. The FBI

00:22:14.280 are using this ongoing investigation dodge. They're not investigating Hunter Biden. They're

00:22:19.000 just stalling until the statute of limitations runs out. And so they're using this ongoing

00:22:23.820 investigation dodge as a reason why they can't answer questions in a timely manner.

00:22:27.740 If they say it's a an impeachment inquiry, it doesn't have any legal weight. But just in terms

00:22:34.140 of the of the media, just in terms of the way it sounds, it sounds more important if the FBI says,

00:22:38.760 well, we can't give you information. So, well, this is, you know, an impeachment inquiry. I think

00:22:42.760 that's a good idea. And even if it doesn't result in impeachment, you can drag this out forever.

00:22:47.200 And I think that that's basically the plan. The plan is to just keep this going until and unless

00:22:51.920 they can get the votes to actually what I'm afraid of. I am concerned that there are going to be

00:22:56.060 like five to ten Republicans who are just not going to get on board with it. And then he's

00:22:58.860 not going to have a majority of his, you know, he just won't go through. And if that fails in the

00:23:02.340 House, that's actually a real black eye for him. Yeah, but he can just keep the inquiry going for

00:23:06.460 a long time. So if the inquiry keeps going, then I saw this suggested by a somewhat prominent

00:23:11.900 conservative today. Do you think there is any chance that Joe Biden, who is a million years old,

00:23:17.320 who can't pronounce his own name, that he who who does seem vulnerable to certain corruption

00:23:23.380 charges if the DOJ would ever bring them? Would he step aside, say it's for health?

00:23:28.500 OK, all right. That was my answer. No way. All right. You mean out of honor? Is that the joke?

00:23:33.980 Is that the punchline? What if he did it? What if he said, well, it's because my health is

00:23:38.960 declining enough? He can't. He can't step aside. He's been in public office his whole life. He

00:23:43.100 can't let go of it. I mean, this is the story of the country. I agree. That's what we've got this

00:23:46.560 gerontocracy running us into the ground by these old, ancient, decrepit zombies who

00:23:50.640 cannot let go of power. I mean, the boomer generation. I take this person. He's a pre-boomer.

00:23:54.980 He's a pre-boomer. Yeah, he's a pre-boomer. But I mean, but you know, you've got...

00:23:58.080 That's quoted in that pony soldier movie. That's from 1952. He was 10 years old when that happened.

00:24:02.280 He was 10 years old. And you've got... I wasn't born when that movie was... That's insane.

00:24:06.420 Nancy Pelosi just announced she's running for re-election. Dianne Feinstein. I mean, it's...

00:24:10.760 John Fetterman isn't old, but he is like a cucumber. So it's the same. It's this same story,

00:24:16.060 which is why... Not to move away from the impeachment thing, but I'm actually... I don't know

00:24:19.520 where you guys all stand on this, but to me, it's so obvious that if we were a serious country,

00:24:24.780 we would be talking about and enacting age limits on the presidency. I can't see any argument.

00:24:30.740 I am opposed to age limits on any public office. The age limit is the ballot box.

00:24:35.940 75 years old. So you've got from 35 to 75. You have 40 years to get it done. You can't get it done

00:24:41.080 in 40 years. It wasn't meant for you. Go home, Gramps. Sit on the porch.

00:24:44.640 I'm with you on it.

00:24:45.360 Yeah. The word Senate comes from Senate. What's the downside to saying we're putting

00:24:50.360 the cutoff at 75? There's some actual people who are alive at 75. I mean, like Joe Biden

00:24:54.540 is not. Of course, you have to be dead. I'm known for my great and abiding support for

00:25:00.900 President Trump, but I mean, like, President Trump is more alive by a long stretch than

00:25:04.620 Joe Biden. I mean, he's the same guy who's always been 30 years ago.

00:25:10.140 So you think it would it be harmful to the country to say we don't want people after 75

00:25:14.060 running for the most important?

00:25:15.800 Anytime. I think that what that really speaks to, and this is just true of our politics in

00:25:19.100 general, is that the voters suck. OK, let's be honest.

00:25:21.260 They do, which is why we need to put protections in place to accommodate for the suckiness of the

00:25:26.060 voters. You're asking the voters to vote for them not to put limits on themselves.

00:25:29.640 When has this ever worked? Like, when has this been a thing that has happened?

00:25:32.860 Well, I'm not saying it would happen. I'm saying that it absolutely should happen. It

00:25:35.300 sounds like you guys think that it shouldn't. To me, it's obvious. Look, here's the other

00:25:38.060 thing. After 80, your chance of getting dementia is that, like, once you get 80, your chance

00:25:42.880 is, like, 20 percent. I mean, it's, you know, and then it goes up and up and up from there.

00:25:46.420 So basically, by the time you get to 85, almost everybody has at least a little bit of dementia.

00:25:52.320 Drew, tell me.

00:25:53.140 Yeah, no, it's, what?

00:25:55.280 Where am I? Who's Drew?

00:25:56.600 I would very much vote yes. 75 is fine. I mean, I don't see anything that could be wrong.

00:26:00.640 There's no downside to saying you have to run between 35 and 75.

00:26:04.340 And if we have a lower age, we have a lower age limit. Why not an upper? If we're saying

00:26:07.880 that. I would rather there be 30 year olds. Exactly.

00:26:10.220 For a president than to have 80 year olds. Oh, I totally disagree. Have you met 30 year

00:26:14.020 olds? Yeah. Hold on. Right now, the 30 year olds are the millennials.

00:26:18.300 I'd rather have an 80 year old than a normal 30 year old in this country right now. Really?

00:26:20.720 Honest to God. Have you met a lot of 30 year olds in this country? Have you met a lot of

00:26:23.180 the 80 year olds that are running? The other thing is, well, so we have a 38 year

00:26:25.720 old running for president right now, and he's doing a lot better than people thought he

00:26:28.380 would, but he's just, their voters aren't picking him. They're picking Trump over.

00:26:31.440 The other thing is, when you're 80 years old, you almost, you probably have dementia,

00:26:35.160 all kinds of, you know, your chance of having, you almost definitely have some kind of cancer,

00:26:38.080 like all these things have, but also you're, you're not going to be in the country that

00:26:41.840 you are leading for very long. You're at the end of the road for you. And so whatever

00:26:45.980 you do as a president, you aren't going to have to be around to deal with any of the

00:26:51.140 consequences of that. That makes me very uncomfortable. At least when someone's 30,

00:26:53.980 they're going to have to live in this country for a long time afterwards. They've got

00:26:56.640 some skin in the game. Joe Biden has nothing in the, he doesn't even have his mind in the

00:26:59.820 game anymore. He's got nothing in the game. And I want to say Trump is an exception, not

00:27:02.520 the rule. Like Trump never drank his entire life. And that's part of the reason why there's

00:27:06.340 no mental deterioration there. You're right. He's, he's on it. He had a lot of energy throughout

00:27:10.240 the four years he was in office, but he is very much the exception, not the rule. Joe Biden

00:27:14.080 is the rule. Right. Right. When you get to that age. He's 80% comprised of the actual

00:27:17.380 preservative. Right. Exactly. He's like a French fry of a human. It literally is defying

00:27:22.420 life expectancy to say that above, you know, 75 people should be able to run. I just, just

00:27:26.640 another rule we don't need. I agree with you, but we do. We need rules. We need tons of

00:27:30.880 rules. Why not? What would you prefer? Okay. So let me ask you this. Let's assume that we

00:27:35.880 need a rule. That's fine. What would you prefer? A competency test at any age or an age test?

00:27:41.740 I'd like to do both. They're doctors. They bring in that say that Joe Biden's fine. No,

00:27:46.560 like a public competency test. First of all, it would make amazing TV, like a public competency

00:27:49.780 test. Like you put them on TV. Public, okay. Public competency. You got me. You got me.

00:27:53.880 Dr. Fauci. And Dr. Birx. And right. It would be like spell cat.

00:28:01.180 But do, I mean, I guess the real question here is, do we really believe that the problem

00:28:05.720 afflicting the country is that the people have too much say over the direction of things?

00:28:10.000 And also, this is not a rule problem. This is a cultural problem. The fact that we can't get past

00:28:14.440 the boomers and we can't, you know, we had, we had Obama and it was such a disaster that everybody's

00:28:20.200 like, well, let's go back to those boomers. But after a while you run out of boomers, you know?

00:28:23.500 And I think we've kind of reached that point. This is, this is actually, there's actually a problem

00:28:27.520 with new ideas coming into the culture. There's, you know, it's, it's shut down. There's so much

00:28:32.740 information flowing, but nobody knows what's true anymore. And so there's no ideas that anybody is

00:28:37.640 actually talking about that are serious, you know, progress from where we were.

00:28:41.940 Honestly, I also think that the senility attack on Biden is like the least problematic thing about

00:28:47.400 Joe Biden. Like I'd prefer that Joe Biden continues to stumble into walls. That's fine. I honestly

00:28:51.900 don't care about that. Like the fact that he's senile, yeah, it's shameful on the world stage,

00:28:55.920 but I mean, Bill Clinton was, you know, shaming the world and shaming our country in a different

00:29:00.360 way back in the nineties. Like to me, the problem with, with Joe Biden is that he's a horrifically bad

00:29:05.060 president promoting incredibly bad policies and he's deeply corrupt. And by the way, I think that the,

00:29:09.460 the, the senility attack by Republicans is actually not going to play. The reason I think it's going

00:29:13.660 to not play is because if the matchup is between Trump and Biden, which it seems like almost

00:29:17.260 guaranteed it will be, if that's the matchup, Biden will just hide in the basement the whole time.

00:29:21.280 And he will run the same campaign as last time. I'm a dead person. I'm an unthreatening dead person.

00:29:24.620 COVID's back and it's bigger than ever.

00:29:26.240 Yeah, they're doing COVID again.

00:29:27.280 All he has to say, this time, all he has to say is, I'm not going to debate an insurrectionist,

00:29:31.160 right? That's the crap that he has.

00:29:32.040 I don't think that's true. I think, I mean, all the polls show that probably the,

00:29:35.160 the attack that works the best on Biden right now is age. Even a lot of Democrats agree with that.

00:29:38.920 No, but they agree with it, but that's not going to stop them from voting for him.

00:29:41.680 Yeah.

00:29:42.040 So this is, the truth is, I mean, so when you look at the polls that are extremely even right now

00:29:46.540 between Trump and Biden, there are two stats that I'm a little suspicious of in the polls. And I

00:29:50.560 don't want to like poll read a year and a half out, but I'm going to do it anyway. So here's the,

00:29:53.620 here's, here's the two stats that bother me about the polls. One is the suggestion that Biden is

00:29:58.160 only going to win something like 54% of the minority vote. I don't see how that's true. I just,

00:30:02.500 I can't see how that's true. I think that that number is much more like 62, 63%, mainly because that's been

00:30:07.240 the number pretty much forever. And his stretch of that magnitude would be very, very large. And

00:30:12.280 Trump really outperformed on minorities. I don't think he's going to outperform to the tune of 45%

00:30:15.700 of minorities. That's one. The other one is that there's a massive enthusiasm gap right now in all

00:30:20.000 of these polls that they're measuring. And then that enthusiasm gap is like in the last CNN poll,

00:30:24.040 that was really bad for him. It was 71% of Republicans saying they were highly motivated to vote and 61%

00:30:30.380 of Democrats saying that they were highly motivated to vote. Well, I don't believe that either. And the

00:30:35.200 reason I don't believe that is because Donald Trump is amazing at two things. One, getting out

00:30:38.060 Republican votes, amazing at it. And two, getting out democratic votes, absolutely unbelievable at

00:30:41.880 it. Like he's really good at those two things. Democrats are not enthusiastic to vote for this

00:30:45.540 old bag, but we used to live in California and I promise you Democrats will crawl over broken glass

00:30:51.380 to vote. And then there's also the, the, the indictments in the trials, which are going to have no

00:30:56.900 effect on Trump's base. If they may bring out more people in Trump's base, but they're going to

00:31:00.740 completely obliterate any independence. Does polls show that the same poll that shows them tied has

00:31:04.560 him down among independents 47, 38. I just don't see how that lines up. But, but, but the, and he

00:31:08.960 could still win, obviously. The, uh, I mean, look, I think all social science is bunk, but I cite it

00:31:15.500 when it underscores my point. And when it comes to the prosecutions, the majority of Americans believe

00:31:22.060 that the prosecutions are politically motivated and unjust. So that presumably includes a lot of

00:31:27.720 independents and even some Democrats, right? It's something like over 60%. I mean, which polls

00:31:30.840 are your settings? The same, those same polls will suggest that a majority of Americans wish for

00:31:34.160 Trump to be prosecuted. Yeah. I look, I'm not saying that there isn't a contradiction within

00:31:39.280 these things, but like the fact that you can get people overwhelmingly agreeing with something that

00:31:45.100 we all know to be true, which is that this is politically motivated. This shouldn't be

00:31:48.420 happening. It is a rigging of the game. I don't know that we could predict a year over a year.

00:31:52.520 They're saying two things simultaneously. They're saying politically motivated and also we want to be

00:31:55.300 prosecuted. Yeah. Not great. I mean, basically what you have right now is both parties locked in

00:31:58.820 the predator meme. And the thing that they agree on is that there's no way we're going to lose to

00:32:02.340 the other guy. Yeah. And one of them is going to be wrong. Yeah. It's going to be a disaster when

00:32:05.940 that happens. It says something about the system that nobody wants this match rematch. Nobody wants

00:32:10.720 this election. And that's exactly what we're going to get. And it's what right now it looks like what

00:32:13.940 we're going to get. Yeah. I guess there's just no alternative to that. So do we all say that right now

00:32:20.700 it's just going to be Trump? He said by 30 points. More. I'm the only person who thinks it's simply

00:32:27.820 to look, obviously it looks like that's what it's going to be. But I still think there's many a slip

00:32:32.500 between the cup and the lip and it's really early still. And we still haven't seen what the donors

00:32:36.300 will do around Thanksgiving. I don't know. I don't think the donors matter. But I do think that

00:32:40.140 in order to knock Trump out, you're going to have to knock him out, obviously, extremely early.

00:32:44.100 So everybody's focusing in on Iowa and they're forgetting that like a bunch of Republican candidates

00:32:47.620 won Iowa winning the presidency, obviously. Iowa hasn't decided the nominee since 2000.

00:32:52.320 That's right. And New Hampshire only decided really McCain and Romney. And so it's really

00:32:58.160 South Carolina, which is sort of the make or break state. And right now that's lining up perfectly for

00:33:02.020 Trump because you've got Nikki and Tim who are both in the race, both of whom will draw some support

00:33:06.580 and Ron who's in the race. So, I mean, right now that looks like a crab pot for everybody who's not

00:33:11.720 named Trump. Yeah. I mean, the only thing that could change is if a bunch of these challengers drop out,

00:33:15.960 which just isn't going to happen, right? And even so, a bunch of the challengers drop out,

00:33:19.200 but Trump nationally is like at 59% or some insane number, you know, and even in all these states,

00:33:24.700 he's still up 20%. Well, nobody, nobody, the truth is nobody except for Vivek is running a good

00:33:28.660 campaign. And Vivek is running a good campaign because he's doing the things that a campaigner

00:33:32.820 is supposed to do. He's going to everyone. He's talking to everybody. I don't like a lot of the

00:33:36.280 things he's saying. I think that he's flip-flopping on a bunch of issues, but I'm not sure that

00:33:39.180 matters anymore. So, I mean, in terms of who has the energy and who's out there, like just in terms of

00:33:43.220 he's not going to be the nominee. I'm willing to bet money on it. I like Vivek personally. That's

00:33:47.240 fine. I don't even think, frankly, that he's running for the presidency. I think he's running

00:33:49.740 for the vice presidency or Senate from Ohio. That's all fine. Or maybe he's running for the

00:33:52.860 podcast that he just, oh, that's fine. He's allowed to do any of those things. But in terms of

00:33:57.200 everybody else running a campaign, they're all doing unbelievably crappy jobs. I don't know. I mean,

00:34:00.860 I really like Tim Scott, you know, has been out talking about his girlfriend that goes to another

00:34:04.180 high school. Yeah, yeah. He's from Canada. Yeah. You know, look, I'm not making any claims about whether or not

00:34:12.480 Tim Scott has this girlfriend he talks about. But I will tell you, it is much more believable

00:34:16.120 than the notion that Cory Booker is dating that Rosario Dawson. I was going to say, that like

00:34:19.840 still kills me. He cast an actual actress to be. He literally cast an actress, a lesbian actress to

00:34:24.560 be. Did you see them when they kissed? When they like, everyone was like, give her a kiss. And they

00:34:27.620 were like, I really don't want to do this. And then like nobody mentioned it. It was honestly,

00:34:33.280 that kiss should be shown. It was incredible. And it was like, and she's like a lesbian. And

00:34:38.600 there's more sensuality kissing your grandmother than that kiss. More or less believable than Obama

00:34:42.440 and that weird guy that Tucker interviewed. Oh my gosh. It was, it was. His boyfriend.

00:34:47.000 Yeah. Okay. That's great. So speaking of odd incidents that took place,

00:34:53.320 kind of a wee segue, wasn't it? It was a little bit weak. This is actually a very sad story,

00:34:57.120 but it's sad for like five different reasons. You saw that young woman. She was a pregnant young

00:35:00.900 woman, I think 21 years old, Takiyah Young, who died because she was in a car, gets pulled over by the

00:35:07.020 cops. The cops say, Hey, stop driving. And then she just starts driving and they shoot her.

00:35:12.740 She wasn't pulled over by the cops. She had just robbed a grocery store and, uh, or a store of some

00:35:19.520 description shoplifting. Um, and she heard multiple people and the, they called the police.

00:35:25.660 Cause we even have a clip of the shoplifting. Yeah. When you're, when somebody is shoplifting,

00:35:29.700 it looks like it's a liquor store. What is just, she's six months pregnant. She's pregnant.

00:35:33.580 Yeah. It's a good move. Stop lifting. Yeah. Liquor. All of this is obviously good decision

00:35:39.200 making. I say this as someone who has nine weeks left of my own pregnancy here. So this is just

00:35:44.780 stunning to me, like all the decision-making that's happening here. And she, they called the

00:35:50.040 cops, which is what you're supposed to do. And the cops are supposed to come and she got into her car

00:35:53.960 and they told her to stop. She essentially just started blaming other people saying, ah, the other

00:35:58.120 person was stealing. The other person was stealing. And then she made off in her car and could have

00:36:05.900 killed the officers because it's a vehicle. It's a, uh, car. And they told her to stop,

00:36:12.000 told her to stop. She didn't stop. And so when they finally pull her, I mean, started running them

00:36:15.240 over in the parking lot. She's in the parking lot. And we have, we have body cam footage. It's amazing

00:36:18.480 how much footage we have of this entire incident. And so there's not a ton of ambiguity here. I think we

00:36:23.140 have, we have the clip. Oh my God. Come on. It's rule number one. Yeah. When they tell you to get

00:36:50.600 out of the car and they have a gun pointed in your face, get out of the car. I will say that the,

00:36:54.240 the police, the, that, that cop did screw up as far as I understand police procedure in when you've

00:37:00.600 got a suspect who might flee, you don't stand in front of the vehicle. Like that is not proper

00:37:04.460 police procedure. That's a very stupid thing to do to use your body, to block in a car. Uh, maybe if

00:37:09.120 you're in your police cruiser, but not your body. So that's, that was not the right thing for him to

00:37:13.180 do for his own, for the sake of his own self-preservation. But once she starts driving into him,

00:37:17.560 she is wielding a lethal weapon. He has every right to defend himself. And that's why with all

00:37:21.500 these cases, you know, this is the next BLM martyr. And, um, we always talk about systemic

00:37:26.620 racism and all this nonsense and black lives matter. You know, they're, they're marching in the street,

00:37:30.880 chanting black lives matter again. But you know, the person who needs that message is Takiyah Young

00:37:35.140 herself. Like, you know, why don't you value your own life enough and the life of your unborn child

00:37:39.900 enough to, to make, to make just a, a reasonable decision. Like once the cops are there,

00:37:45.840 there, there is no way that running is going to make your situation any better. It automatically.

00:37:51.400 It's also self-fulfilling prophecy, right? Like you tell people enough that if the cops are going

00:37:56.320 to murder them and then they get in a situation with the cops and then they do things that cause

00:38:00.340 the cops to kill them. Right. If you keep telling people over and over and over, over and over,

00:38:04.420 that no matter what you do, no matter what you do, the end of this is the cop is going to shoot you

00:38:07.380 and you're in a car and a cop is pointing a gun at you and you've been told it doesn't matter what

00:38:10.940 you do next. The cop is going to shoot you. Well, I can be out of the car and the cop can shoot me,

00:38:14.600 or I can be in the car and the cop can shoot me. And so you're in the car and you decide to take a

00:38:18.380 shot at it. I mean, like, again, these lies actually have consequences. The cops were not

00:38:22.240 going to shoot her. If she got out of the car, she would be alive right now. What I can't get over

00:38:26.760 is the liquor store part. Forget about the, we see this, someone gets pulled over and then they act

00:38:32.500 like an idiot and then they do everything wrong and then they get into this dangerous situation.

00:38:35.600 I can't get over the liquor store. How many wrong turns did this woman have to make in her life

00:38:41.820 to get to the point where she is robbing a liquor store? By the way, not just, you know,

00:38:46.140 a bottle of wine to have with a loaf of bread to feed her family. Like she's putting bottles of

00:38:51.140 hard liquor into her bag while she's six months pregnant. How many, how many bad choices, how many

00:38:57.620 bad lessons, how many things went wrong? And then I don't want to sound like the bleeding heart liberal

00:39:01.780 here though. But in a way society must have failed this woman to, to, to. Society has failed everybody

00:39:08.180 when they pull, when the authorities pull their support from the police. Yes. You've got people

00:39:12.920 out in the street doing all kinds of things that, that basically the authorities, the government is

00:39:17.700 saying, well, that's not really a crime. Basically saying that the honest people deserve what they're

00:39:21.740 getting. Yes. That, that, that the society is so evil, inherently evil, that if somebody's robbing you,

00:39:26.960 it's probably evil. There's that line in the crown in the, about the monarchy where it's the head of

00:39:32.280 the household in the palace. He says, it's in the little things that the rot begins. And I think

00:39:38.420 every little lesson, every little wrong thing this woman ever did that where she got off the hook,

00:39:42.860 where they said, oh, we're not going to prosecute that. We're not going to punish you. We're not

00:39:45.900 going to teach you the right way to behave. All of those little tiny things over time get to the

00:39:51.640 point where you're just robbing a liquor store and running over cops. Before we get to society though,

00:39:56.300 on a smaller scale, it's her family who failed her. That's why every time, again, with the BLM

00:40:01.940 martyrs, the family comes out and they're, and they're crying tears and they're upset. And I believe

00:40:06.660 that they're actually upset, but at the same time, I always have to think to myself, you know, where

00:40:10.040 were you in this person's life? How did they end up in this situation? When was the last time you

00:40:14.380 talked to this? Right, exactly. Where's, where's the, you know, the dad comes out of the woodwork

00:40:17.420 sometimes. I don't know if he has in this case, but where's the dad been? And we could pretty much

00:40:21.080 guarantee she didn't have a dad at home. We already know that without even looking into a biography. So it's the family.

00:40:25.600 And I wanted to say that, you know, in some instances, people look at these situations and

00:40:29.060 you think, okay, well, she's operating out of fear. She's got a gun and maybe that's why she,

00:40:32.820 no, that's not what's happening here. And I want to be very clear. This woman knew from start to

00:40:36.220 finish that she was committing a crime because of BLM, because of George Floyd. This is why you've

00:40:40.640 seen so many of these circumstances. They're saying George Floyd, George Floyd, hands up. They're

00:40:44.500 saying these things because they're thinking no police officer, especially a white police officer is

00:40:49.060 going to have audacity to do anything else. This is all just meaningless threats because we actually hold the

00:40:53.500 power now in post-BLM America. And in most circumstances, they're right. Police officers are afraid to do their

00:40:58.380 jobs because they're fearful of being called racist. What she's suffering from is the arrogance that has

00:41:02.880 transcended the block community since BLM and George Floyd, where we now think we don't have to listen to

00:41:08.720 police officers at all. We don't have to listen anymore. We're officially above the law because we have

00:41:12.900 been told by culture. We've been told by corporations. We literally ran in there, robbed the target, and the

00:41:18.360 CEO said, we understand, right? We understand why you took these flat screen TVs. We ran in and we took

00:41:24.240 Gucci. We did this. And literally, the media and the politicians were saying we understand, okay? So

00:41:29.600 she's been raised in this generation that says that even when you're committing a crime in broad

00:41:34.800 daylight, the task is for people to be understanding, right? So yes, is she a victim of media warping her

00:41:43.560 brain and making her believe that she's above the law? Yes. Is she a victim of her own stupidity? Yes. Is that

00:41:48.660 the saddest part about this, obviously, is the loss of the innocent life. And it's unthinkable of how selfish and

00:41:53.500 narcissistic, how trashy, how awful of a human being she had to have been to put her unborn child in that

00:41:58.560 circumstance. And I say that as very fired up and close to the end of pregnancy of just thinking of how unbelievably

00:42:03.900 selfish everything that she did was there. Hormones surging. And then to go online and see her trending under the

00:42:09.120 hashtag rest in power. Yeah. It's absolutely sickening. You know, and the news media bears so

00:42:16.120 much responsibility for this. You know, crime obviously is a human problem. There's always

00:42:20.180 going to be crime. But high crime is a policy problem. The people who create policy, who make

00:42:24.340 policy, are to blame for high crime. The cop is the guy at the bottom whose only job is to keep you safe

00:42:30.820 from the stupid mistakes that politicians make. And the politicians go to the press and they say,

00:42:35.360 well, it's the cop's fault. The cop is a racist. And the press goes off like a dog chasing a ball.

00:42:40.420 To me, that is so shameful. That's the first thing that a reporter should say is, wait a minute,

00:42:46.000 wait a minute. You made that policy, not the cop. The cop is suffering from the policy,

00:42:50.260 just like the neighborhood is suffering from the policy. Our media sucks. The one thing,

00:42:55.280 if there's one thing I agree with Donald Trump about 100 percent, is those people are the enemies of

00:43:00.820 the people. They are just not doing their jobs. Speaking of perverse media and ineffective law

00:43:06.740 enforcement, did you see the federal judge in Texas who just struck down an age verification law

00:43:14.320 to access high-speed, hardcore internet pornography? This is Judge David Ezra, who ruled that HB 1181 is

00:43:22.660 unconstitutional. He issued a preliminary injunction against it, saying the law goes, quote,

00:43:27.440 far beyond the interest of protecting minors. But his problem with it is great. His problem with

00:43:33.980 it is that if the government will be able to see you're watching porn, there's a solution for that.

00:43:39.160 Don't watch porn. You don't watch porn and you're good. And the other thing about these laws, by the

00:43:42.300 way, is they work because nobody wants to show his ID when they're looking at porn. The porn people go

00:43:47.360 out of business when they say you've got to prove your age. Yeah. And it's so, this whole thing is so

00:43:52.300 true. Now, obviously, like you, Michael, I mean, I would like to see all porn banned and the porn

00:43:57.380 industry burned to the ground and we dance around its ashes. But if we can't, on our way to that,

00:44:02.420 I think obviously age verification laws make a lot of sense. And it's so ridiculous, the objections to

00:44:07.800 it, because in any, literally any other context that you can think of, a, you know, an age-restricted

00:44:14.340 item, we all agree, we all, there's no controversy that you're going to have to check ID. And that

00:44:19.840 includes, you know, alcohols, tobacco products, gambling, whatever. R-rated movies. R-rated movies.

00:44:24.700 But that also includes physical pornography. You know, I mean, back in the day, they used to have

00:44:28.800 the porn magazines at the gas station. And if they still had those, you know, you go to buy the porn

00:44:33.420 magazine to show ID. And everyone would also agree that if a 10-year-old kid went to a gas station and

00:44:38.600 grabbed the porn magazine and bought it, and the gas station attendant didn't check his ID, that guy

00:44:43.360 should be thrown in prison. And so we carve out this exception for online porn specifically and say that

00:44:48.860 they're at some sort of unthinkable invasion of privacy. Now, I will say that the one point the

00:44:53.880 judge made in this ruling that is correct is that he said it's a free speech violation, which is

00:44:58.480 absurd. Yeah. He did also make the point that it's effectively useless because the law carved out all

00:45:03.000 these exceptions where, like, things like search engines are exempt, which is ridiculous. And people

00:45:07.860 and kids can bypass it by just having, you know, a VPN or something like that, which is why, but that's

00:45:12.520 not an argument against having the age verification laws. It's an argument for having them be

00:45:16.440 stronger. And it's also an argument for having age verification laws that are not just at the

00:45:21.580 website level, but at the device level. So there need to be laws that every cell phone device that

00:45:28.580 a child has on the device, the device is age protected. Right. So that they can access these

00:45:33.800 sites. Because by the way, to your point, Matt, on just burning the porn industry to the ground.

00:45:37.040 Let's go back to that. Yes. Well, this would do that because every time that one of these laws is

00:45:42.900 passed, an age verification law, Pornhub, MindGeek is the parent company of that,

00:45:48.000 pulls service out of that state. Right. They would rather stop doing business in that entire state

00:45:53.540 than have to comply with stopping kids from looking at their product. Why is that? One,

00:45:58.460 because they know that even grown adult men don't want to admit that they're doing this perverted

00:46:02.780 thing. But two, it's because the porn industry relies on hooking kids, just like any drug dealer on

00:46:08.680 the street corner. They rely on hooking kids at age eight, nine, 10, 11, and they know that they're

00:46:13.440 going to have a customer for life. I mean, to be fair to the porn industry, I think I've never said

00:46:17.200 there's one other element, which is the legal liability that attaches, right? I mean,

00:46:22.440 in the same way that you saw, you know, Facebook take itself offline in certain countries because

00:46:27.420 of, you know, sort of laws that they had to pay particular news providers in a certain way.

00:46:32.900 And they said, well, if I violate that law, then the fine is worth way more of me than this.

00:46:36.700 That is one of the things that's happening, but good. I mean, the goal is to bankrupt the porn

00:46:41.040 companies. They're bad. And first of all, this entire notion that free speech encompasses pornography

00:46:45.400 in the first place is absurd on its face. It's ridiculous. Robert Bork would have made an excellent

00:46:49.540 Supreme Court justice before he was borked by Joe Biden, one of the worst things that Joe Biden ever

00:46:53.240 did. Bork, he has an entire article in the 1970s talking about the extent of the First Amendment.

00:46:58.580 He says, like, the First Amendment clearly was aimed at political speech. That is what it is about.

00:47:02.660 It is about political speech. It is about religious speech. You know what? It's not about naked pictures of ladies.

00:47:06.900 Appealing to the prurient interest. How many people even know what the word prurient means anymore?

00:47:10.740 That was a term that was known in the culture and in the law, and it would distinguish between

00:47:14.660 meaningful speech and artistic speech and just smut to appeal to your lower interest.

00:47:19.600 I got to say, I'm also perturbed by the left's sudden interest in free speech when it comes to

00:47:23.720 pornography and complete disinterest in free speech when it comes to the government literally going

00:47:27.040 to social media companies and telling them that they have to shut down searches on COVID,

00:47:30.600 for example. Right. Like, that's an amazing thing. The Circuit Court of Appeals ruled.

00:47:34.020 For anyone who makes the free speech argument with porn, I always ask them, you're saying

00:47:37.960 porn is speech. Okay, well, then what is it saying? You know, the woman who's having sex on camera,

00:47:44.180 what is she saying exactly? Usually, uh, ow.

00:47:46.640 Is she trying? Well, I didn't, please don't. I didn't need, I didn't know.

00:47:49.800 Did I do any more? Ah.

00:47:51.680 Yeah, okay, I get it.

00:47:53.180 That's enough, thank you.

00:47:53.960 I'm writing the Virginia State Assembly.

00:47:55.300 Oh, okay.

00:47:56.040 What message, what message is the woman trying to convey? What thought is she expressing?

00:48:05.380 You know, what's that?

00:48:06.900 Yeah, help is actually probably the speech.

00:48:08.920 But to Ben's point, Ben's point is important, though, because that is what the left believes.

00:48:12.240 The left believes that your expression of your personality is sexual, it's not political.

00:48:17.140 Right, yes.

00:48:17.640 Whereas we believe it's actually based on ideas and politics and other cultural ideas, religious ideas.

00:48:23.680 But your sex life is kind of minor when it comes to that.

00:48:26.880 Now, according to the left, here are the things that you can restrict under the First Amendment.

00:48:29.400 Religious speech, because it's offensive to LGBTQ plus, right about sign people.

00:48:33.680 Right.

00:48:33.940 You can restrict, quote unquote, hate speech, because it might be offensive to people of minority status.

00:48:38.360 Even though some of that stuff is political, you can respect scientific speech, because obviously the science speaks.

00:48:43.720 What you cannot restrict is naked people screwing.

00:48:45.720 Right.

00:48:45.880 That you absolutely cannot restrict anyway, because that's the core of you.

00:48:49.120 That's the core of you.

00:48:49.620 That's really the case.

00:48:50.420 You know, it's the thing that I fear the most.

00:48:51.560 The most political part of you is that, right?

00:48:53.000 It's the thing that I fear the most as just a parent is really understanding what happens when a child is introduced to pornography when they're too young.

00:49:00.280 It destroys their brain.

00:49:01.460 The pathways are established.

00:49:03.600 It's very hard for them to come back from it.

00:49:06.040 I really believe that.

00:49:07.340 And especially for young boys, because biologically they're ticking differently when they're introduced to sex too young.

00:49:11.960 And now I'm having a second son.

00:49:13.720 And so I think about this all the time and how you keep your children away from it when it's so readily available.

00:49:18.300 And we're talking about a big issue.

00:49:19.800 We're talking about, you know, Pornhub and pornography.

00:49:22.260 But as my husband always says, the reason he's not on social media is because it's all porn now.

00:49:25.880 It is all porn.

00:49:26.560 It's all porn.

00:49:26.800 He's like, you open up Instagram and the first thing you see are ass cheeks, right?

00:49:30.260 And it's true.

00:49:30.860 I'm literally, and I've realized when he said this to me, how desensitized I have become.

00:49:36.360 It's all soft core porn.

00:49:37.840 I mean, it's a full frontal of Kim Kardashian.

00:49:39.760 It's Emily Rodjikowski.

00:49:41.180 It's every actress that for whatever reason has to be naked.

00:49:43.760 Oh, do you want to buy this Gucci bag?

00:49:45.420 Well, of course, there's a naked model behind it holding it because God forbid she was wearing clothes while she was holding the Gucci bag.

00:49:49.780 We have all become desensitized to pornography and we're not thinking about how it's impacting children.

00:49:54.320 And we're not thinking about how it's, you know, we're suffering every other major ill in society.

00:49:58.320 I just came off doing the whatever podcast for convicting a murderer available on dailywireplus.com and having this conversation, sitting down with sex workers, this girl, this 22-year-old girl who works in a brothel and is a prostitute, happily a prostitute.

00:50:13.680 Every other girl on this panel, OnlyFans, and they're, you know, angry at Matt Walsh for sharing the video, which I think we have and we might be talking about very shortly because they think it's aspirational not to get married.

00:50:25.560 They think it's aspirational to have a bunch of sex with multiple men.

00:50:30.040 And to hear women talk about that, to talk women having multiple partners, this is what's really at the root here.

00:50:36.140 So, yeah, we could play whack-a-mole and, yes, of course, Pornhub is going to be worse.

00:50:40.100 But now we're dealing with OnlyFans, dealing with social media.

00:50:42.560 We're dealing with celebrities turned into icons like Cardi B talking about her WAP, which you are famous for.

00:50:48.720 I am.

00:50:49.520 My version slaps.

00:50:50.560 It is.

00:50:50.880 As it were.

00:50:53.040 And it's hard to even fathom how to deal with all those problems.

00:50:55.860 You saw that they came out with a sequel now.

00:50:57.480 They have a sequel song.

00:50:58.180 No, I know.

00:50:58.780 And I can't listen to it just yet.

00:51:00.280 I have not yet.

00:51:00.820 Because I want your version dropped first.

00:51:02.340 Oh, I have to listen to it.

00:51:03.760 Yeah, no, no, yeah, yeah.

00:51:04.460 You've got to drop your version and then I will respond to both versions and say whose is better.

00:51:07.740 I do wonder.

00:51:08.020 Or a WAP versus Bongo's problem, if my case may be.

00:51:10.040 You know, it does make me think, going back to your point, Drew, this note, and you said

00:51:17.040 this too, Ben, that the left views us as fundamentally sexual creatures.

00:51:21.780 And I do, I often think these social ills, even if people are not conscious of them, have

00:51:25.980 deeper philosophical and theological foundations.

00:51:28.940 For most of the history of our civilization, we've thought that the defining feature of human

00:51:32.940 beings is that we're reasonable.

00:51:34.860 It's our reason.

00:51:35.500 That's what separates us from the animals.

00:51:36.580 And that's Aristotle all the way up to, you know, about 150 years ago.

00:51:40.260 But then Freud comes along and says, no, we're sexual and libidinous.

00:51:44.580 And it wasn't what Freud thought he was saying, but it is implied in what he says.

00:51:49.120 And I think that, you know, as they say of Nietzsche, you might get the bad luck that somebody

00:51:53.420 takes you seriously.

00:51:54.640 You know, what he was saying was that this is basically the motivation of mankind and

00:52:00.380 it has tunnels through which it flows.

00:52:02.820 I mean, every generation takes the highest level of machine and uses it as a metaphor

00:52:10.880 for the human mind.

00:52:12.020 So in the old days, it was the chariot.

00:52:14.280 Then in Freud, it was the steam engine.

00:52:16.600 And now we talk about people being programmed and being hardwired and all that stuff.

00:52:21.460 But the steam engine idea was that this erotic impulse would come up and the ways in which

00:52:26.600 it was sublimated and the ways in which it was restricted would set the path of your

00:52:30.980 personality.

00:52:31.540 First of all, that's largely false.

00:52:33.920 What is true and what Freud was right about is that sickness, moral sickness and mental

00:52:39.320 sickness does often show itself in sexual terms because that's what you are reduced

00:52:44.260 to when you are reduced to being a slave.

00:52:46.220 Not to get into a particularly, you know, detailed discussion of Freud, but I think there's

00:52:50.600 a case to be made that what Freud says about the power of the sexual impulse has roots as

00:52:55.680 old as the Bible.

00:52:56.640 I mean, there's nothing new here.

00:52:57.860 Well, of course.

00:52:58.260 And so the real perversion is when the message that Freud gives, which is you have this deep

00:53:03.740 sexual impulse that is what drives you, but you have a civilizational impulse that must

00:53:08.260 be planted on top of that to sublimate the sexual instinct and use the passion that you

00:53:12.120 would have for the sexual instinct and channel it in good directions when that's removed.

00:53:15.360 That's the falsehood there because under the chariot model that Socrates or Plato used, the moral

00:53:22.180 impulse is built in.

00:53:24.100 And Freud did not say that.

00:53:25.540 He basically said society impresses this moral impulse on you and suppresses your native animal.

00:53:31.620 But he actually pushes it one step back, right?

00:53:33.840 Because then you have to ask where society comes from, right?

00:53:36.940 Yeah, but he doesn't talk about it.

00:53:38.640 He never distinguishes between a moral repression, which I think that all—

00:53:43.120 Well, this is definitely a huge flaw in Freud, but he thinks there is one.

00:53:46.540 He just never actually establishes what that is.

00:53:48.540 Well, he believes in it.

00:53:49.360 Right.

00:53:49.640 I mean, clearly.

00:53:50.220 And that's part of the problem, I think, with most philosophy is that the stuff that's

00:53:53.060 unsaid is as important as the stuff that's said.

00:53:54.740 That's right.

00:53:55.020 I mean, this is true.

00:53:55.660 That's right.

00:53:55.960 And this is why you see, like, reinterpretations of Locke where, like, Locke is a secular liberal.

00:53:59.940 And you're like, well, I mean, he really wasn't.

00:54:01.420 He was writing, like, full-on defensive Christianity.

00:54:02.760 He called to ostracize the atheists.

00:54:04.340 The stuff that Locke actually is just assuming is in the air around him, but that he never

00:54:08.220 writes in his treatises on government, that's the stuff that actually makes the treatises

00:54:12.800 on government work.

00:54:13.580 But when you remove it from that context, it no longer works.

00:54:15.640 And the same thing is true of Freud.

00:54:17.320 But when you look at—there was a young man who, at the age of 20, wrote a book called

00:54:22.760 Porn Generation.

00:54:24.480 Yes.

00:54:25.220 It came out in 2005.

00:54:26.540 And it was all about how the attempt to mainstream softcore pornography through advertising and

00:54:33.340 movies, how that was eventually going to corrupt an entire generation of people who are going

00:54:36.900 to be addicted to this stuff.

00:54:38.020 And everyone in the media laughed at this argument.

00:54:39.900 I mean, this was like—of all the books that I've written, this was the one that was

00:54:42.440 most—

00:54:42.600 Wait, it was you?

00:54:43.480 It was.

00:54:43.900 Hold on.

00:54:44.460 It was.

00:54:44.820 I was 20 years old when I wrote this book.

00:54:46.500 And if you go back and you read it now, it looks pretty prophetic.

00:54:49.580 I mean, I'm talking about how this is everything from Britney Spears being turned from a pop

00:54:53.980 icon for small children into effectively a softcore porn star, which is what they did.

00:54:59.220 I mean, there's no escaping this in any populated area, basically, with access to the internet.

00:55:04.860 And you're right.

00:55:05.320 I mean, the threat level to parents right now is the highest that it has ever been.

00:55:08.660 Because the threat used to be an organized threat of an institution that was going to

00:55:12.060 come and hurt you from the outside and take your kid away from you or something.

00:55:15.320 And now the threat's in the house, literally in the house.

00:55:17.200 It's in your phone.

00:55:18.460 It's, yeah.

00:55:19.000 There's one of my favorite—

00:55:19.680 It's cartoons.

00:55:20.480 It's everywhere.

00:55:21.140 It's everywhere.

00:55:21.520 It's very scary.

00:55:22.120 One of my favorite lines from La Roche-Foucault, which I quote frequently, is that hypocrisy

00:55:26.480 is the tribute vice pays to virtue.

00:55:28.200 So even if there's some guy looking at porn, but he at least says porn is bad, maybe he's

00:55:32.340 a hypocrite, maybe he's just a sinner who fails, but at least he's got that standard.

00:55:35.700 Now, the standard is you should sell yourself for sex, you should not be married, you should

00:55:40.780 get divorced.

00:55:41.160 You mentioned Emily Radjajicakogoski.

00:55:44.040 And she just had this viral video in which she encouraged people to get divorced before

00:55:49.540 age 30.

00:55:50.060 So it seems that a lot of ladies are getting divorced before they turn 30.

00:55:58.780 And as someone who got married at 26, has been separated for a little over a year, 32, I

00:56:07.800 have to tell you, I don't think there's anything better.

00:56:11.120 If being in your 20s is the trenches, there is nothing better than being in your 30s, still

00:56:17.740 being hot, maybe having a little bit of your own money, figuring out what you want to do

00:56:22.140 with your life, everything.

00:56:23.720 And having tried that married fantasy and realizing that it's maybe not all it's cracked up to

00:56:29.120 be.

00:56:29.400 And then you've got your whole life still ahead of you.

00:56:31.960 Um, so for all of those people who are stressed or feeling stressed about that, about being

00:56:38.620 divorced, like it's a, it's, it's good.

00:56:41.600 Congratulations.

00:56:42.460 Congratulations.

00:56:43.560 She looks really happy.

00:56:44.540 I just want to say, if you take more guidance from an actress, you get what you're saying.

00:56:50.360 This drives me crazy.

00:56:51.660 This drives me insane.

00:56:53.160 Like seeing women do this, this new culture, the dink culture, dual income, no kids.

00:56:57.620 That's, that's spawning up on Tik TOK.

00:56:59.200 The 29 year olds, people tried to pretend was a victim when actually she was attacking

00:57:02.500 people that are, are married and have children because there was absolutely no reason for

00:57:07.120 her to make that video and talk about children.

00:57:09.200 She could have just said, I got up this morning and made Chachuka, but she wanted to correlate

00:57:12.040 it to the fact that, oh, well, and if you have children, this is not possible for you

00:57:15.520 to be able to do.

00:57:16.100 So don't get married.

00:57:17.040 Wink, wink.

00:57:17.840 Hold on.

00:57:18.300 You mentioned that, Candace.

00:57:19.400 Do we have, that one was even worse than Ratajkowski.

00:57:21.860 Do we have that lady who Matt mercilessly bullied?

00:57:25.420 It's 10 45 AM on a Saturday.

00:57:27.260 I am 29 and single and I don't have kids yet.

00:57:30.200 Here's what your Saturday morning looks like when you're single at 29 and you don't have

00:57:34.700 a kid running around the house.

00:57:36.420 I didn't rise from my bed until 10 15.

00:57:39.100 Every time I thought I should probably get up and do something.

00:57:41.520 I thought, why?

00:57:42.720 Nobody's making me.

00:57:43.680 I'm not missing out on anything.

00:57:45.060 I went to Beyonce last night and I didn't get home until 1 AM and I danced and drank my

00:57:49.220 little heart out and I didn't pay a babysitter to watch my kids as I did that.

00:57:52.740 And I woke up a tad hungover this morning, which is probably why I was in bed for so long.

00:57:56.520 And I was just scrolling on my phone and I saw a picture of Shakshuka and I thought,

00:58:00.260 you know what sounds really good?

00:58:01.820 Maybe I'm going to learn how to make Shakshuka today.

00:58:04.240 Because I have no plans and I don't have kids and I don't have a husband and I don't have

00:58:07.920 errands to run.

00:58:09.000 I can go to the grocery store and learn how to make Shakshuka.

00:58:11.960 So that's on my agenda today.

00:58:13.280 Also on my agenda, probably a rewatch of some Real Housewives of New York.

00:58:16.660 I'm also doing a rewatch of Normal People on Hulu, which is really spicy and I highly

00:58:20.480 recommend.

00:58:21.260 Weirdly, I'm into this documentary on Netflix about Blue Zone countries.

00:58:24.300 So I've got a pretty stacked day.

00:58:26.280 Anyway, I say all this to say, whenever I'm hard on myself about why I'm not married and

00:58:31.140 I don't have kids and I should be further along at 29, almost 30, I wouldn't want to

00:58:35.740 do anything else this Saturday.

00:58:37.820 And I know that you can do all these things when you have kids and you're married and

00:58:42.040 I understand.

00:58:43.120 But the effortlessness and ease of my life, just kind of focusing on myself and the Shakshuka

00:58:49.140 I want to make or the Beyonce concert I want to go to.

00:58:51.860 Stop the video off.

00:58:52.540 The most defensive part.

00:58:53.940 Guys, guys, guys, let's play a dream game.

00:58:55.020 Every time she says I, take a shot of Lucy.

00:58:57.960 We'd be dead.

00:58:58.540 Every time she says Shakshuka, you'd go shoplift from us.

00:59:01.360 Just literally a narcissist.

00:59:03.000 As the bully, can I just say something about this lady?

00:59:06.000 First of all, obviously, I think most people know I got killed.

00:59:08.860 I reposted that video.

00:59:10.300 I had my own thought about it.

00:59:12.560 I think my comment was pretty benign.

00:59:15.020 I did call her stupid.

00:59:15.860 You called her stupid.

00:59:16.900 Slightly harsh, but also probably not inaccurate.

00:59:19.260 I got killed over it.

00:59:20.440 First of all, the left and the media, they said, well, she just wants privacy.

00:59:24.100 Leave her alone.

00:59:25.060 She doesn't want all this attention.

00:59:25.840 And then they proceeded to spend the next week talking about her and doing articles

00:59:30.160 about it because they just wanted to respect her privacy.

00:59:32.600 But also, this woman is a burgeoning TikTok influencer.

00:59:36.200 She has a podcast all about being single and childless and how great it is.

00:59:39.960 And so I have bullied her.

00:59:43.040 Of course, I've brought about the fate that all TikTok influencers dread by

00:59:46.380 by giving her a lot of attention.

00:59:47.640 So it's a terrible thing that I did.

00:59:49.060 But I think the real point I wanted to make about this that I also made in that in the

00:59:53.300 tweet was that, you know, aside from the fact that she's promoting this lonely, terrible

00:59:58.220 life, it's also like if you are single and childless and there are plenty of people who

01:00:02.000 are 29 and 30 single and childless, maybe they don't want to be do something interesting

01:00:08.240 with you.

01:00:08.800 You do have a lot of time, which which can be an advantage.

01:00:12.660 So I admit that you have a lot more free time if you're, you know, if you're single

01:00:16.820 and childless than I do with someone with six kids.

01:00:18.840 So go out and do something.

01:00:20.200 But instead of doing something.

01:00:21.000 Make a tasty breakfast.

01:00:22.340 Not shucks.

01:00:22.900 Yeah, make a tasty breakfast and then do something.

01:00:25.460 But it's all, it's just, it's just being a consumer.

01:00:27.980 That's, that's one of the big problems with the way they promote this single, big single

01:00:31.060 childless is that, is they say, well, be single and childless and then devote all your

01:00:34.560 extra time to being a really devoted consumer and go to a Beyonce concert and watch

01:00:39.140 reality TV.

01:00:40.000 It's just a dead life.

01:00:41.660 It's worse than that.

01:00:42.360 And this is what drives me crazy.

01:00:43.540 It's I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

01:00:45.720 There's nothing wrong with being 29 and single.

01:00:47.800 And I think that that's what they were trying to say that conservatives are suggesting that

01:00:50.620 you've done something wrong.

01:00:51.580 If you're 29 and single, what's wrong with being 29 and single?

01:00:53.280 I know tons of people that are 29 and single people that are 30 and single people that are

01:00:56.100 31 and single, whatever it goes on and on.

01:00:57.840 There's no failure.

01:00:59.480 Maybe you didn't meet the right person.

01:01:00.780 Things can go wrong.

01:01:01.560 I get it.

01:01:01.880 It's a hard society.

01:01:02.720 They didn't.

01:01:03.420 What's wrong is that what she's suggesting is that you should be a raging narcissist.

01:01:08.160 Narcissist, if you are single, there are tons of things that you can do when you're single.

01:01:11.880 You can go hang out with your nieces and your nephews.

01:01:13.660 You can go, you know, offer yourself to help kids that are tutoring at church.

01:01:18.700 There are so many things you can do.

01:01:20.160 She sits down and she basically says, the best part about not having kids is that you

01:01:24.280 can just be a raging narcissist and do everything for yourself and only think about yourself and

01:01:29.500 wake up at 10, 15 or 11, 15, whatever she says, which I just think is loser behavior

01:01:33.720 and think about me, me, me, me, me all day.

01:01:35.740 She speaks to the narcissistic culture that we are living in today.

01:01:40.200 It drives me insane.

01:01:43.660 Even though I agree with everything you guys say, every single word, the only thing that

01:01:48.020 I have to say about it is that 90%, 95% of people are born into a culture and that's

01:01:55.020 the culture that they live in.

01:01:56.420 And I do feel in some ways, a woman like this, who just described one of the most empty

01:02:00.060 lives I've ever heard, is a victim in some ways.

01:02:02.380 I totally agree.

01:02:02.940 You know, she's born into this world, the people sitting around this table are by nature,

01:02:09.460 by definition, people who say, well, wait a minute, you told me this, but I'm not sure

01:02:12.940 I believe that.

01:02:13.940 That's not what most people are like.

01:02:15.440 Most people are born into a culture and they live in that culture.

01:02:17.800 And what we have done to women and what feminism has done to women is a crime.

01:02:22.580 You know, and my problem with shows like Whatever, even though it's an amusing show and it's

01:02:27.280 entertaining, I'm not attacking it for that reason.

01:02:29.220 But it's like, they pick on the last person on the totem pole who's been created basically

01:02:35.060 by a culture that has lost, so terribly lost its way, especially in regards to women and

01:02:40.520 what they're supposed to be.

01:02:41.720 In her defense, shakshuk is delicious.

01:02:43.320 Okay, so let me, so I've never had it, but it's shakshuk.

01:02:46.380 I like eggs benedict and I like spaghetti, but I don't want to mix them together.

01:02:49.240 It is, but you need some feta cheese on top.

01:02:50.820 Is it a breakfast dish?

01:02:51.880 What is it?

01:02:52.160 It is a breakfast dish.

01:02:52.880 You can eat it for lunch as well.

01:02:53.780 It is effectively a tomato sauce, like a spicy tomato sauce, like a mapucha, which is the

01:02:59.320 Moroccan term for it, and fried eggs on top, and then you can put some feta cheese on it.

01:03:03.280 It does.

01:03:03.520 It does sound good.

01:03:04.020 In my defense, I make breakfast, lunch, and dinner for my husband and kids every single

01:03:08.740 day, and I've got three on the way.

01:03:11.160 Like, I'm sorry you're poor at time management and you wake up at 10, 15.

01:03:14.040 You also have the option to have shakshukka and be married with kids.

01:03:18.520 Well, this is certainly true.

01:03:19.600 And you can watch reality TV too if you want.

01:03:21.160 Her narcissism is a—I mean, you're right that she's a narcissist, but it's reflective.

01:03:25.100 And here's the real problem.

01:03:26.240 The aspiration is wrong.

01:03:27.980 Yeah.

01:03:28.240 Okay?

01:03:28.460 It is, in fact, wrong to aspire to this life.

01:03:31.040 It is wrong to aspire to this.

01:03:32.520 There's nothing wrong with this is how your life turned out.

01:03:35.180 There's nothing wrong with you haven't set the preconditions to make a different choice,

01:03:38.800 but to say that we ought, as a society, to be apathetic about two possible aspirations.

01:03:44.000 One is you're 29, you have a career, you don't have a career, you're married, you have

01:03:47.300 kids, versus you're 29, your life consists of you stay out until really long.

01:03:51.160 You're too late watching a Beyonce concert, and then you get up at 10.30, and maybe you

01:03:54.600 make shakshukka and then watch like eight hours of TV.

01:03:56.940 Any society that is apathetic between these two choices is a failed society.

01:04:00.480 Period.

01:04:01.540 A society relies on the idea that the better life—society does have things to say about

01:04:05.740 what a better life looks like.

01:04:07.000 I'm not talking about compulsion.

01:04:08.000 I'm not talking about tyrannical compulsion.

01:04:09.580 But, of course, any functional civilization has to rely on the basis that there is such a

01:04:14.040 thing as good versus bad, and good choices versus bad choices.

01:04:17.280 And guess what?

01:04:18.040 A set of good choices is a set of choices that is directed toward a good end.

01:04:22.540 And that good end is you should get married, and you should have kids, and it is better

01:04:25.880 for you to get married and have kids, and it is better for your community for you to

01:04:28.680 get married and have kids.

01:04:29.460 This is a childless society.

01:04:30.720 That's the biggest thing that you see.

01:04:31.660 And also, I think, just to build on your point, there's also—I talk about this all

01:04:36.400 the time, and people say to me, well, are you saying that everyone is supposed to get

01:04:40.340 married and have kids?

01:04:41.100 And my answer is that most people are supposed to.

01:04:44.700 In fact, most people are called to.

01:04:46.220 It's a responsibility that most of us have.

01:04:48.060 Not everyone, though.

01:04:48.840 Some people have a different vocation, a minority of people.

01:04:51.840 I'm a Jew.

01:04:52.240 I don't have to do that.

01:04:53.020 Everyone should get married and have kids.

01:04:54.580 Well, there are some people, it just never happened.

01:04:57.580 They try to, and it will never happen.

01:04:58.960 But here's the point.

01:05:00.380 In my view, everybody, every man is called to fatherhood.

01:05:04.800 Every woman is called to motherhood.

01:05:06.220 But for most—for 99% probably of men, fatherhood will take the form of traditional fatherhood.

01:05:11.720 And for women, it will take the form of traditional motherhood.

01:05:14.020 For a few people, it will take a different form, but it has to take some kind of form.

01:05:16.740 So maybe you never ended up getting married, and you go, and you're a missionary or something,

01:05:22.020 and you're taking care of poor people, or you go work at a hospital or something.

01:05:24.520 But you take on a maternalistic or paternalistic role.

01:05:27.120 The point is that we're all called to serve in that capacity in some way.

01:05:31.840 We certainly are not called to just serve ourselves and amuse ourselves for a whole life.

01:05:34.820 Well, she's even wrong—

01:05:35.980 Shockingly, I agree.

01:05:36.600 You know, I tend to share Drew's pity and sympathy for this lady because she's coping.

01:05:43.780 She's coping really hard.

01:05:45.280 And she's a creation of this.

01:05:46.560 And so what bothers me is she's—our culture is so insistent on appearing happy all the time.

01:05:53.000 We're never allowed to admit, you know, that things aren't working out very well

01:05:56.120 because it would cause us to check our assumptions.

01:05:58.060 But what she says that's most wrong is she said,

01:06:00.440 Look, I have so much ease in my life.

01:06:02.920 I don't have any obligations.

01:06:04.820 Sleeping until 10.30 in the morning is what depressive—

01:06:07.340 That literally seems like a depressed person.

01:06:09.060 It is, yeah.

01:06:09.640 But people have studied happiness for some millennia now.

01:06:13.760 And to quote good old Uncle Aristotle again, like, Aristotle has an answer.

01:06:17.160 He says,

01:06:17.560 Happiness is excellent rational activity in accordance with virtue.

01:06:21.660 And activity is the key word there.

01:06:23.660 It's not just a thing that you let happen to you.

01:06:25.780 It's not just passive consumption and letting flickering images on a screen just hypnotize you all day long.

01:06:30.820 It's doing something in an excellent way that's rational in accordance with virtue.

01:06:35.200 And if she's preaching this anti-gospel to a lot of people on TikTok, on her podcast,

01:06:40.660 it actually is our responsibility to say that's wrong.

01:06:43.060 It's a complete failure of her parents' generation.

01:06:45.180 I'm not going to blame her generation or her.

01:06:46.640 It's a complete failure because every generation has to impress on somebody.

01:06:50.780 Parenthood and growing up, it is like Plato's cave because you can't experience it until you do it.

01:06:56.340 Right?

01:06:56.700 You have to have somebody from an older generation who did the thing and said,

01:07:00.200 Yeah, it was really hard because parenting is difficult.

01:07:03.020 It's really difficult.

01:07:04.080 I mean, I have four.

01:07:04.860 Matt has six.

01:07:05.760 Parenting is not easy.

01:07:06.840 It is a difficult task.

01:07:08.240 Your kids are paying the ass on a fairly regular basis.

01:07:10.980 And guess what?

01:07:11.740 It's also the most fulfilling thing and most important thing you'll ever do by a long stretch.

01:07:15.360 And it makes you a better person.

01:07:17.640 And there is such a thing as a better and a worse person.

01:07:19.080 Not all people are the same in terms of their moral quality.

01:07:22.460 I mean, everyone is the same in the eyes of God.

01:07:24.040 That's not the same thing as saying that their activities make them the same in terms of moral quality

01:07:27.000 because they're not.

01:07:27.600 Not every aspiration is the same in terms of moral quality.

01:07:29.820 It's a failure of older generations to inculcate on younger generations

01:07:32.800 that they ought to try to get beyond the point that they are capable of experiencing here.

01:07:37.240 And that does require a leap of faith.

01:07:39.240 You know, this is when, you know, when I got engaged to my wife,

01:07:42.560 I gave a little speech at our engagement party talking about how basically anything good

01:07:47.500 that you do in your life is at some level a leap of faith, right?

01:07:51.000 Everything.

01:07:51.700 Marriage being the biggest one.

01:07:53.040 But having kids is just as big because you don't really know what you're getting into

01:07:57.060 when you get married because how could you?

01:07:58.520 Because marriage changes you and it changes your wife

01:08:00.420 and it changes both of you in such unbelievable ways over the course of decades

01:08:03.820 that even the first day of marriage is nothing remotely like the 15th year of marriage.

01:08:06.880 And I can assume the 200th year of marriage is true.

01:08:08.720 And when it comes to kids, it's so different.

01:08:11.540 Every single day is wildly different.

01:08:13.100 Parenting a baby is so different from parenting a three-year-old,

01:08:15.580 which is so different from parenting a nine-year-old,

01:08:17.760 let alone a teenager, let alone an adult child.

01:08:19.800 Every day is an act of faith.

01:08:21.580 And we're a society that is faithless and not capable of taking the risk.

01:08:25.700 We're a very safe society.

01:08:26.920 What she's talking about here is a bubble of safety that exists for her

01:08:29.660 in which every day is exactly the same and no risk is required of you

01:08:33.060 and no risk can be asked of you.

01:08:34.460 And you're told that your risk-free behavior is actually the best thing that you can do

01:08:38.400 or at least morally equivalent to taking the risk that preserves future generations

01:08:41.280 and a civilization worth preserving.

01:08:42.400 I want to ask Candace a question because I know you homeschool your kids, right?

01:08:46.720 Yes.

01:08:47.160 So this is the question.

01:08:49.980 Professor Matt.

01:08:50.840 I'm assuming that it's Mrs. Walsh who does it because the idea of being homeschooled by Matt

01:08:54.500 is just horrifying.

01:08:55.520 I can't contain it.

01:08:56.480 I wouldn't do that to my kids.

01:08:57.320 No, yeah.

01:08:57.960 Hit this piece of wood with this axe.

01:09:01.380 But what's your solution here?

01:09:02.940 Good until you understand, Matt.

01:09:03.580 What do you do?

01:09:04.200 Well, that's the thing is we're talking about homeschooling

01:09:06.260 and also part of that might be we just send them to Matt's house

01:09:08.800 because he seems to have another control.

01:09:10.400 There's six of them.

01:09:10.960 We wouldn't even notice we have so many kids now.

01:09:12.740 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:13.440 If I just threw through three more, I think maybe kind of...

01:09:15.980 We just absorb them.

01:09:16.840 Yeah.

01:09:17.360 But yeah, it's one of these things that...

01:09:19.580 And also my husband just thinks the American education system in general

01:09:22.360 is a massive failure compared to...

01:09:24.180 I mean, it is, which it actually is relative to the UK,

01:09:27.420 which still has some semblance of an academic...

01:09:31.280 Culture.

01:09:32.040 Culture.

01:09:33.020 And so we talk about this over and over again.

01:09:35.240 It's one of those discussions where we're like,

01:09:36.340 it's crazy that we're even talking about this.

01:09:37.700 But I don't want to have to deal with the fear of some other idiot

01:09:39.800 having a phone and choosing him to pornography.

01:09:41.540 I don't want to have to deal with these young women.

01:09:43.880 And this is why it is so important to respond to these women.

01:09:46.640 It is so important because you are correct.

01:09:48.900 Their generation above them failed them, right?

01:09:50.920 They failed them.

01:09:51.620 They failed to communicate the message.

01:09:53.100 And so we're all left holding the baton.

01:09:54.940 And this is why I hit these people on my podcast over and over again

01:09:58.540 because these cultural battles, they matter.

01:10:01.200 It is important to tweet this girl and to say what I said.

01:10:03.780 If you follow this girl's path, you are going to end up

01:10:06.300 wine nights by yourself on Xanax because that is where it ends.

01:10:09.500 It ends as you as Chelsea Handler crying and bursting into tears

01:10:13.420 over absolutely nothing and saying,

01:10:15.500 well, Dylan Mulvaney just needs to be able to use this restroom.

01:10:18.200 That's where your life is headed because you've nurtured nothing.

01:10:21.240 You've fought against your biology.

01:10:23.060 Sociology trumped your biology and you will suffer at the end

01:10:25.440 because in the end, biology will win.

01:10:27.240 And, you know, I did the Bill Maher podcast last week

01:10:29.260 and we spoke about that and what really happens to women

01:10:31.900 when they get duped by feminism, right?

01:10:34.100 Because they get duped.

01:10:35.080 Feminism, I say, is like a drug you should try in college.

01:10:37.580 I did.

01:10:37.900 I experienced it a little bit with feminism.

01:10:39.100 I was like, well, I might be feminist like this.

01:10:40.440 And then you're like, no, come on.

01:10:41.480 I can't do this outside of college, right?

01:10:43.180 Never got onto the harder stuff.

01:10:44.460 Yeah, never got onto the harder stuff, right?

01:10:45.840 But if you keep going, your life is going to be absolute misery.

01:10:49.620 And so it is why I take the time to respond.

01:10:51.960 I mean, Emma Rajkowsky, we just watched her say,

01:10:53.940 there's nothing better.

01:10:56.320 Congratulations.

01:10:57.120 Congratulations on failing.

01:10:58.540 Pina colada on the beat?

01:10:59.540 Than being divorced before 30.

01:11:01.340 What?

01:11:02.000 On the, I think another point that we have to make culturally

01:11:05.320 is that there is a lot of joy to be found,

01:11:09.900 immense joy to be found in parenthood and in family life

01:11:12.940 that just is not available to you

01:11:14.860 if you don't get married and have kids.

01:11:16.140 It's just a joy.

01:11:16.960 But here's the important point.

01:11:19.880 Because you can also be deeply miserable as a parent.

01:11:23.140 You could be incredibly miserable all the time.

01:11:25.820 So the joy that is available to you as a parent is available.

01:11:30.920 It makes joy available to you, but it's an opportunity for joy.

01:11:34.820 And it's up to you to experience it or not.

01:11:38.060 So, and this comes up in a lot of little ways every day.

01:11:39.860 So, for example, last Saturday morning, I get up,

01:11:43.040 my wife had to go out, and so I'm with all six kids,

01:11:46.460 and they want breakfast, and the babies are crying and all this.

01:11:50.160 And it's one of those moments where, right now,

01:11:53.220 I can dwell on the fact that everyone needs me,

01:11:55.800 and I can be really, really annoyed,

01:11:57.600 and it's in the morning, and I don't feel like dealing with it.

01:11:59.960 Or I can think to myself, this is a house full of life.

01:12:03.320 I've got all these kids that want to be around me,

01:12:05.460 and it's just energy and life, and it's a wonderful thing.

01:12:08.360 And so in that moment, I can really choose.

01:12:11.160 It's like a fork in the road, and it's a very deliberate thing.

01:12:14.240 I'm going to be very indescribably happy in this moment,

01:12:17.080 or I'm going to be miserable.

01:12:19.080 And so that's, so if you are childless,

01:12:22.880 and you look at parents who are miserable all the time,

01:12:25.360 and they do exist, and you think, well, I don't want that,

01:12:28.340 what you have to realize is that those are parents

01:12:30.280 who have chosen that.

01:12:31.640 And either way, you're going to be more alive

01:12:34.100 than you would ever be without those children.

01:12:35.580 Well, I mean, there is such a thing as purpose, meaning, and fulfillment,

01:12:38.620 and that's what's left out of that video.

01:12:40.140 And when she talks about ease, she's not wrong.

01:12:41.920 It's very easy to be 29 and single with no obligations.

01:12:45.140 That's like, ease is the word.

01:12:47.060 It's this feeling of ease and floating free of time.

01:12:49.260 And of course, the biological clock is still ticking.

01:12:51.000 So the reality is that, as you say, Candace,

01:12:53.300 she can pretend that she's going to be 29 forever,

01:12:55.120 but reality, she ain't.

01:12:56.720 10 years from now, she will be 39.

01:12:58.280 And 10 years after that, she will be 49.

01:12:59.720 And as far as the parenting aspect, Roy Baumeister is an interesting psychologist

01:13:05.380 and does a lot of the social science on these sorts of issues.

01:13:07.940 He did some studies where he looked at the crossover between happiness and fulfillment.

01:13:11.800 And in many areas, they coincide, right?

01:13:14.880 For a lot of people, they get happiness from travel,

01:13:16.960 but they also get fulfillment from travel.

01:13:18.460 The one area where there's wide divergence is when it comes to parenting.

01:13:21.860 When it comes to parenting, single people will say very often,

01:13:24.560 they'll report self-report, which is always dubious,

01:13:27.080 but they'll self-report happiness.

01:13:29.340 And people who have lots of kids will self-report not being as happy.

01:13:33.520 When it comes to fulfillment, people with kids self-report fulfillment at a far higher rate.

01:13:38.520 Because the truth is that, I mean, who cares about happiness?

01:13:43.040 To be real about this, everybody is chasing the wrong thing.

01:13:46.880 The phrase pursuit of happiness was supposed to mean what it meant to Aristotle.

01:13:50.540 It wasn't supposed to mean you feeling happy today.

01:13:52.960 That's not what happiness is.

01:13:54.540 You know, if you look at any sort of religious literature,

01:13:57.260 the definition of happiness is fundamentally different.

01:14:01.420 You're supposed to find fulfillment and happiness are coincident.

01:14:04.640 And this is why the Bible, for example, can command you to be happy.

01:14:07.220 And you say, how can I be commanded to feel a certain way?

01:14:09.420 I can't be commanded to be happy like we have a bunch of holidays that are coming up.

01:14:12.180 And you're literally commanded to be happy.

01:14:13.880 It's like, how can I be commanded?

01:14:14.740 What if I don't feel like it?

01:14:15.520 What if I don't feel like I'm happy that day?

01:14:16.980 And the answer is, we're not talking about a subjective state of mind.

01:14:18.800 We are talking about the meaning and purpose and fulfillment that come from doing a higher thing

01:14:23.200 that actually matters in the universe and makes the society around you better.

01:14:26.460 And you can live this sort of bizarre floating life in a sort of strange solipsistic bubble.

01:14:33.620 But is that going to be fulfilling in any way?

01:14:36.320 When you die at 80 and you look at, or 90, and you look back at your life,

01:14:42.080 what exactly do you put on your tombstone?

01:14:44.020 When to Beyonce concert?

01:14:45.040 Like, what exactly goes there?

01:14:47.500 You know, one of the miseries that sometimes goes along with marriage is divorce.

01:14:52.400 And one of the real miseries of divorce is custody battles.

01:14:55.520 And one of the biggest miseries of custody battles is when Gavin Newsom tries to take your

01:14:59.680 kid away from you and chop his genitals off, which is what is happening.

01:15:03.880 California may soon require the House and the Senate in California to pass this bill to

01:15:10.920 allow judges to look at whether a parent goes along with a child's gender identity during

01:15:15.960 custody disputes.

01:15:17.700 And presumably what that will mean is if a father doesn't want to call his boy Sally,

01:15:23.400 then he loses visitation.

01:15:24.940 The question now is, does Gavin Newsom look like Satan?

01:15:29.060 Or does Satan look like Gavin?

01:15:30.220 That I think is, this is an evil bill.

01:15:32.780 Very evil.

01:15:33.200 Yes.

01:15:33.720 And I don't know if it's constitutional.

01:15:35.720 I don't know if it'll be struck down or if it'll even pass, you know, even get signed.

01:15:39.780 But it is, this is genuine evil.

01:15:42.480 And I think that the one thing, you know, you were talking before about God and the faith

01:15:49.700 and all these things and the idea that the notion of who we are, this was what was predicted

01:15:57.220 by guys like Nietzsche, who said there's going to be a transvaluation of all values.

01:16:02.180 Dostoevsky, who said without God, not only will you not have morality, but you'll have

01:16:05.540 the opposite morality.

01:16:07.000 Now, I think we've reached that point.

01:16:08.600 I think we've actually reached the point where we are doing evil and calling it good,

01:16:12.520 which the Bible has something to say about it.

01:16:13.960 People need to understand, sorry, on this particular bill, the designs here, there's

01:16:19.480 some obvious designs, but it's also constructed to create more, quote unquote, trans kids.

01:16:24.780 But what's going to happen is that women who get divorced in California, and there are a

01:16:28.680 lot of women in California getting divorced all the time, they're going to realize that,

01:16:32.540 well, if I want to win custody very easily, then all I have to do is whisper in my little

01:16:36.140 five-year-old son's ear that he's really a girl and he'll feel more happy and mommy will

01:16:39.940 love him more if he wears a dress.

01:16:41.220 And I know that my husband's not going to go along with it.

01:16:43.500 And then, boom, I get custody.

01:16:44.720 So this is like entrapment.

01:16:47.680 And it's almost all women who do this.

01:16:49.420 That's just the reality.

01:16:50.780 And so this is designed to create more of that.

01:16:53.420 We have this representative, Lori Wilson, who introduced the bill.

01:16:57.480 And I guess we have that clip.

01:16:58.400 We got a clip.

01:16:59.040 Yep.

01:16:59.300 Take it away, Ms. Wilson.

01:17:01.740 That parents affirm their children.

01:17:05.360 They have since the dawn of time.

01:17:07.200 Typically, it happens when their gender identity expression matches their biological gender.

01:17:15.920 But what happens is when it doesn't, that's when the affirmation starts to wane.

01:17:21.600 And that's what we're dealing with here.

01:17:24.620 Although it's called the TGI bill, they're not mentioned anywhere in the law.

01:17:30.240 What's mentioned in the law is the child's gender identity and expression and the parent's

01:17:36.380 affirmation of that, whatever it is.

01:17:39.920 Because that is our duty as parents to affirm our children.

01:17:44.780 Good.

01:17:45.120 You just sound so stupid.

01:17:46.500 Our duty is exactly the opposite.

01:17:48.340 Exactly the opposite.

01:17:49.440 How often I say no to my kids?

01:17:50.860 Yeah, that's...

01:17:51.500 All day, every day, forever.

01:17:53.160 90% of what you do as a parent is not affirming your kids.

01:17:56.160 Like, that's 90%.

01:17:57.200 I told a story...

01:17:57.900 90?

01:17:58.260 You're just at 90%?

01:17:59.220 Well, maybe 95.

01:18:01.140 I told a story on my podcast a couple days ago that just, you know, on Sunday, my six-year-old

01:18:05.560 son comes to me and says, Daddy, can I have a saw?

01:18:08.220 And I say, no, you definitely can't, but why?

01:18:10.620 Just out of curiosity.

01:18:11.200 And he wanted to cut down a 40-foot tree in our backyard because he wanted wood to build

01:18:15.940 a fort.

01:18:16.440 And so it's like, that's just one example of when I'm not going to affirm my child, but

01:18:21.120 also your child has just simply no concept of reality, of what's good for him, of what's

01:18:27.340 safe for him.

01:18:28.100 My two-year-old asked me first things more if he could drive the big car.

01:18:30.740 I mean, I don't know.

01:18:31.300 I thought that was something appropriate to say no to.

01:18:32.880 Like, I don't think he should actually drive the vehicle away.

01:18:34.840 You horrible, horrible person.

01:18:36.460 How could you?

01:18:37.060 I did not affirm him in his desire to drive the car.

01:18:39.940 Well, what I love is when they say things with confidence like, since the dawn of time.

01:18:43.840 Did the dawn of time happen?

01:18:46.320 Like, I need to check my watch on the dawn of time because I'm having some feelings about

01:18:50.460 this.

01:18:50.740 It's madness.

01:18:51.780 They just like use the phrase.

01:18:52.420 It's ridiculous.

01:18:53.540 Name a civilization where anyone has ever affirmed their children in any way remotely like this.

01:18:57.900 No one thinks that, I mean, the Spartans used to affirm their children by leaving

01:19:01.140 them out to die in the wilderness.

01:19:02.440 Throwing them off a cliff.

01:19:03.400 I am all for the fight, and I'm all for conservatives wielding more power than they're used to wielding.

01:19:11.520 But there's an important role in politics, which is you've got to know when to hold them,

01:19:15.500 know when to fold them, know when to walk away, and know when to run.

01:19:18.660 And right now, if you are in the state of California, and you are in the kind of marriage,

01:19:24.280 look, certain groups, they just don't get divorced.

01:19:26.140 The Jews, the Orthodox Jews, the Catholics, there are certain groups that say no divorce

01:19:30.800 under any...

01:19:31.180 If you are in a marriage, though, where divorce is a possibility, and you have kids, GTFO right

01:19:38.380 now.

01:19:38.660 You just can't risk...

01:19:39.840 By the way, you should stop the sentence as if you're in California.

01:19:43.220 Well, I just want to say, that's actually what I was going to say.

01:19:45.520 I'm done being outraged at these Democrats in California.

01:19:49.460 Like, when I see this, I'm like, whatever.

01:19:50.700 And I'm done feeling sympathetic with people that are in California because they're basically

01:19:54.120 watching North Korea be built slowly, and it's like, and they have the option to get

01:19:58.580 out, right?

01:19:59.320 And they don't leave.

01:20:00.440 They don't leave.

01:20:00.900 And I just, I don't understand the person, especially...

01:20:02.720 I understand if you're poor or something, but there are plenty of people who are...

01:20:04.760 And by the way, it is the middle and upper class people.

01:20:05.560 But like, if you're a parent, and you see this stuff, and you hear them complaining,

01:20:09.880 and people writing down the show, and all these things, and I'm going, you obviously

01:20:12.820 have to leave the state.

01:20:13.940 At what point do you understand that survival instinct kicks in, and you say, if we're even kicking

01:20:18.920 this around, I gotta go.

01:20:20.800 The real story of why this company is in Nashville, and the reason why my family is in Florida,

01:20:25.680 it actually starts...

01:20:26.520 So 2020 was the year that we moved because of COVID, and because of the Black Lives Matter

01:20:29.880 riots, and because of all of that.

01:20:30.880 My wife looked at me and finally acquiesced to my determination that we get the hell out

01:20:34.120 of the state.

01:20:34.640 But at least five years prior to that, when our now nine-year-old was a baby, when I turned

01:20:40.180 to her and I said, I do not think that in five years it will be possible to raise our

01:20:43.200 child in the state.

01:20:43.960 I just don't think it's going to be possible.

01:20:45.800 And I look at stuff like this, and I wonder, how does anyone think that this is going to be

01:20:49.740 possible?

01:20:50.140 Because they're going...

01:20:51.120 I promise you, the next step, the next thing they're going to do is they're going to start

01:20:53.840 de-accrediting any homeschooling program that does not affirmatively teach this stuff.

01:20:57.760 They're going to go after the private schools.

01:20:58.920 They're going to say that it's violative of the anti-discrimination law, not to mirror

01:21:01.960 the Title IX prescriptions by Justice Gorsuch that suggest that transgenderism ought to

01:21:05.400 be treated the same as discrimination on the basis of sex.

01:21:08.540 They're going to make it impossible to be a traditional person in the state of California.

01:21:12.140 That is their goal.

01:21:12.920 Yeah, the government owns your kids currently if you live in California.

01:21:15.260 There's no question about that.

01:21:16.440 And it's very bizarre to me that parents still stay there.

01:21:18.800 I mean, short of...

01:21:19.960 I literally do not have the financial resources to pick up and move, which would shock me because

01:21:23.980 you're in California and you're just being taxed the financial resources to be able to

01:21:27.080 pick up and move.

01:21:28.680 But short of that excuse, I don't understand the whining and the moaning and the saying

01:21:33.060 that this is really bad and refusing to move your feet because this should terrify every

01:21:37.180 parent.

01:21:37.620 There should be way more.

01:21:38.720 There is an exodus happening, but I think too slowly for the stuff that we're seeing.

01:21:42.020 And they're even trying to make imaginary walls.

01:21:43.760 You know, if you leave, they're kicking around the idea of taxing people 10 years after.

01:21:49.340 That's a communist even.

01:21:51.060 It's the concept is mind boggling.

01:21:52.780 You're building an imaginary wall.

01:21:54.500 It does.

01:21:55.160 It does remind you.

01:21:55.920 I always hate these comparisons to the Holocaust and to Germany, but it does remind you of

01:22:01.220 those people who escaped and came back and said, you know, they're killing everybody.

01:22:04.660 And the Jews were going, no, come on, don't be ridiculous.

01:22:07.520 I mean, you're absolutely right.

01:22:09.340 This is like an absolute nightmare.

01:22:11.160 Just, just the idea that they could consider this with a straight face, that woman, if

01:22:15.560 that's what she was speaking, I just thought like the minute I see that person, I'm on the

01:22:20.680 next train.

01:22:21.340 I know.

01:22:21.600 You know, I had this thought 20 years ago, 30 years ago when I'm growing up and you'd

01:22:27.520 hear these people say America's evil and America's terrible.

01:22:30.440 I said, what are you talking about?

01:22:31.100 We're the good guys.

01:22:32.140 You're the bad guys.

01:22:32.940 Shut up.

01:22:33.420 This is America.

01:22:33.960 And I feel like I'm in that British sketch, you know, you're looking around and you say,

01:22:38.640 are, are we the baddies that were like sterilizing children, ripping them away from their fathers,

01:22:44.940 say nothing of killing 800,000 babies a year.

01:22:47.320 And, you know, at a certain point, if the culture really becomes that we're living in

01:22:50.400 the world upside down where, where everything that's good is considered bad and vice versa,

01:22:55.740 are we the baddies?

01:22:56.740 Yeah.

01:22:57.220 No, I know.

01:22:57.700 I mean, certainly.

01:22:58.540 That awful Michael Knowles gets thrown off YouTube.

01:23:01.740 We're speaking like basic proof.

01:23:03.160 It is a fact that the counterculture is now the dominant culture in the United States.

01:23:08.040 And because culture is defined by the media, it's defined by Hollywood, it's defined by

01:23:11.400 all the things that we watch and ingest kind of naturally in the air, by the air in places

01:23:15.100 like California.

01:23:16.380 And so I don't know how many of you were watching what happened over at Burning Man, which was

01:23:21.020 wildly entertaining for a variety of reasons.

01:23:23.660 But one of the things that's so fascinating about Burning Man is how it went from just a bunch

01:23:27.000 of nuts on a beach to 100,000 people showing up in the middle of the desert every year, including

01:23:30.580 some of the most prominent people in American public life.

01:23:32.620 Suddenly, all these crazy people who are doing stupid things and having drugs and having

01:23:39.320 sex with one another randomly.

01:23:40.140 And worshipping a literal idol, a Burning Man, who is the object of worship in the desert.

01:23:45.280 You know, I did a whole bit on this on the show, but you know they actually have a list

01:23:48.580 of their principles of Burning Man.

01:23:49.860 Yes.

01:23:50.040 And the list of their principles, there are 10 of them, as you would predict if you were

01:23:53.340 going to create, you know, like a satanic counter to the Ten Commandments.

01:23:56.560 And three of the most crucial are self-expression, right?

01:24:00.180 They call it radical self-expression, radical inclusion, and immediacy, right?

01:24:05.200 Those are three.

01:24:05.800 I mean, that's our culture.

01:24:06.900 That's our culture right now.

01:24:07.860 And that is the culture that is being foisted upon every kid they can get a hold of.

01:24:12.360 It's why it's important for them to make genderqueer available to your 10-year-old.

01:24:15.580 They want, like, anybody who's pretending that they are not after the kids, of course they're

01:24:19.340 after the kids.

01:24:20.200 Of course they're after the kids.

01:24:21.120 How do you think they win over the next generation?

01:24:22.800 They're doing the work that conservatives have not done, and that people traditionally

01:24:25.740 have not.

01:24:26.160 When we were talking earlier about how the older generation didn't inculcate in their

01:24:29.340 kids a set of values, and instead they sort of went libertarian.

01:24:32.100 It's like, whatever values you choose, those values are perfectly good, and those values

01:24:35.000 are perfectly innocent.

01:24:35.980 Well, the left never has that compunction.

01:24:38.080 The left is like, we will cram down our set of values on your child at the first available

01:24:42.220 opportunity.

01:24:42.820 And if you try to stop us, then we will say that you as a parent have failed, and we will

01:24:46.540 try to remove the child from you.

01:24:48.040 I mean, this is, it should be terrifying to anybody who's got half a brain.

01:24:51.180 You know, if you've ever seen the horror movie The Wicker Man, have you seen it?

01:24:55.200 I mean, this is basically about a Christian cop, an uptight Christian cop, who goes to this

01:25:01.660 island of pagan worship because he hears that there's human sacrifice and basically finds

01:25:07.060 out that the human sacrifice is himself.

01:25:08.640 But it ends with this tremendous Wicker Man burning.

01:25:12.360 It is Burning Man.

01:25:14.040 And we could sit and talk about that film.

01:25:17.060 If we watch that film, we could sit and talk about it for about three hours as it applies

01:25:21.640 to this moment.

01:25:22.580 Because it is the moment in which this kind of Christian cop is annoying, and he's utterly

01:25:28.280 serious, and he's anti-sexual, and the pagans are just lovely.

01:25:33.060 Free love, man.

01:25:33.740 We love, and it's all, yes, the beautiful naked children jumping through the fire.

01:25:38.880 Isn't this beautiful?

01:25:39.900 And of course, they're homicidal.

01:25:41.400 And we're kind of in this moment where that film has become a literal description of our

01:25:45.900 life.

01:25:45.980 I don't watch scary films.

01:25:47.420 Yeah, no.

01:25:48.140 I was just going to ask, do you guys actually watch horror films?

01:25:50.300 I don't like that.

01:25:50.600 You just watch scary movies.

01:25:51.780 I don't like horror films if I watch a spooky film.

01:25:52.760 Yeah.

01:25:53.500 You know.

01:25:53.820 I just like, I know, I feel like the eyes are the window to the soul.

01:25:55.560 And when I watch that, it varies.

01:25:55.660 You just did make an entire series about a murderer, so.

01:25:58.340 Yeah.

01:25:59.200 That's real life.

01:26:00.420 That's real life.

01:26:01.140 And we're living in a real life horror film, but I don't watch scary movies.

01:26:04.760 I pointed out that this is just a pagan worship, like a bacchanal, and some people said this

01:26:10.560 was crazy.

01:26:12.160 What do they think ancient cultures did?

01:26:14.460 I think they're just so radically removed and ignorant of history, they don't realize

01:26:18.880 that what the Canaanites were doing was just that.

01:26:21.140 They were doing a bunch of drugs.

01:26:22.540 They were getting very drunk.

01:26:23.680 They were having weird sex with lots of different people and goats and things, and they were worshiping

01:26:27.660 idols.

01:26:27.900 You know, you can look at all of Jewish history, seriously, if you read the Bible, you can

01:26:31.040 look at all of Jewish history of God saying, stop killing children.

01:26:33.660 Yeah.

01:26:33.860 You just say, well, we can kill some children.

01:26:35.140 No.

01:26:35.480 No.

01:26:35.580 Just stop killing the children.

01:26:37.500 They're like, well, what about this time?

01:26:38.560 What about this one?

01:26:39.180 Yeah, I know.

01:26:39.720 Now, one thing, I will say that what the Bible does say, and this is actually, you know,

01:26:44.260 relevant to some of the discussion we're having, it says radical separation from this.

01:26:48.120 Yeah.

01:26:48.280 Radical separation from this.

01:26:49.060 Yes, yes.

01:26:49.360 Right?

01:26:49.520 The book of Deuteronomy is like, you'll go into the land, and there will be people who will tempt you

01:26:52.320 to participate in these sorts of cultures.

01:26:53.640 And you will not participate in these sorts of cultures, or the land will spit you out.

01:26:57.760 There's a whole list of curses.

01:26:58.860 I mean, we just read this in the Torah the last couple of weeks.

01:27:01.360 A whole list of curses of bad things that are going to happen to you if you do all of

01:27:05.140 these things, because that's the natural consequence of doing all these things.

01:27:08.560 And people read that as like God saying, if you do this, I shall smite you with my hand.

01:27:11.740 But that's not what he's saying.

01:27:13.960 What he's saying is the world works in a particular way.

01:27:16.300 If you do these things, the natural consequence of these things is really, really, really bad.

01:27:21.320 And so when the consequences happen, because our society is so childish, they have no idea

01:27:26.700 of cause and effect.

01:27:27.740 It's like they do the thing.

01:27:28.840 It's like my seven-year-old son sometimes.

01:27:30.880 He'll say he's about to do something bad.

01:27:32.140 And I'll say, if you do that, this is going to happen.

01:27:33.760 And then he does the bad thing.

01:27:34.500 And then that happens.

01:27:35.180 They're like, why did that happen?

01:27:36.100 I literally just told you one second ago why that was going to happen.

01:27:40.220 And that's our society.

01:27:41.740 We say, you know what happens if you completely disregard children and pretend that you don't

01:27:44.760 have to build a future?

01:27:45.620 Well, then you have a childless society of miserable single people.

01:27:47.760 And they're like, but why do we have a childless society filled with miserable single people?

01:27:51.620 How could this have happened?

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01:28:21.740 Who writes this stuff?

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01:28:30.700 I'm a little miffed that YouTube booted Candace on this big week and everything.

01:28:34.960 But one thing I love about this show not being on YouTube right now is we can just slam

01:28:40.460 transgenderism for the entire two hours.

01:28:43.560 I mean, we can shill the trans chocolates or the anti-trans chocolates.

01:28:47.220 We can talk about these stories that are going on very openly.

01:28:49.760 Usually you have to go to dailywire.com and become a member to get the parts of the show

01:28:54.060 that YouTube will not permit on.

01:28:56.320 Before we get to the member block, there's one very, very important story we have to get to.

01:29:00.220 I can't believe we haven't touched on it yet.

01:29:02.180 Aliens.

01:29:03.400 Close.

01:29:03.940 Maybe we'll get to that in the member block.

01:29:05.660 Unless I have anything to say about it.

01:29:07.380 No, this is a more important story.

01:29:08.920 A man from Florida, of course, tried to cross the Atlantic Ocean in a human-powered hamster wheel.

01:29:16.920 I love the state.

01:29:17.680 There's the hamster wheel.

01:29:18.920 You can see it right there.

01:29:20.040 He was arrested by the Coast Guard for some reason.

01:29:23.360 Why?

01:29:23.800 And that's what people are asking.

01:29:26.080 This man's name, Riza Bellucci, right off the Mayflower, a traditional American name,

01:29:32.840 he was arrested 70 miles off the coast of Georgia when officers found him during a, quote,

01:29:38.520 manifestly unsafe voyage while Hurricane Franklin was headed toward the area.

01:29:43.100 Arrested on what charges?

01:29:44.360 Of being a...

01:29:46.080 Hamsterie.

01:29:47.080 Hamsterie.

01:29:49.080 Of being an explorer.

01:29:50.460 They found him, but there was a big standoff because he didn't want to go.

01:29:56.220 Wait, this is the first time authorities have found Bellucci?

01:29:58.360 This is not the first time?

01:29:59.460 No, no.

01:29:59.860 He tried it one other time.

01:30:01.160 How'd it go?

01:30:01.800 So, well, he didn't quite make it.

01:30:04.020 2014, the Coast Guard found him also 70 miles off the coast of Florida.

01:30:07.780 Man, they really set up that radius 70 miles out there.

01:30:09.900 It's like, you will not pass 70 miles.

01:30:11.200 He only made it to 80.

01:30:12.520 It was an inflatable bubble that time during an attempt to run around the Bermuda Triangle.

01:30:18.840 He was very determined to run around in contraptions with water.

01:30:22.080 Out of, like, Tom and Jerry cartoons.

01:30:24.480 That's hot right now.

01:30:25.360 What?

01:30:27.020 It's so hot right now.

01:30:28.200 Just very quickly before we get to the member block, was the Coast Guard right?

01:30:33.000 No, they weren't.

01:30:33.560 Can I have a lot to say?

01:30:37.160 This man...

01:30:38.120 Right down Broadway from that area.

01:30:40.180 This man, this is an innovator.

01:30:42.100 This is a voyager.

01:30:43.640 This is an adventure.

01:30:45.340 Look, we live in a world that's been already conquered,

01:30:47.460 and so people are looking for ways,

01:30:49.300 and most things have already been discovered.

01:30:50.740 You have to go deep in the Amazon or deep under the ocean,

01:30:52.620 like the intrepid explorers on the submarine.

01:30:54.840 All right.

01:30:55.500 It's too soon.

01:30:56.180 People are...

01:30:56.940 People are...

01:30:57.680 Well, it's a tribute to them.

01:30:58.780 People are looking for ways to reach and to do something,

01:31:02.380 to expand beyond the normal horizons of normal human behavior.

01:31:07.140 And so this man spent how many years making this hamster wheel?

01:31:11.160 At least a week.

01:31:12.660 Longer than that.

01:31:13.220 I mean, that thing looked very impressive,

01:31:14.760 and he finally launches it,

01:31:16.600 and then the Coast Guard shuts down his dream for no reason.

01:31:19.060 I'll tell you why.

01:31:19.720 It's because you're not allowed to dream anymore.

01:31:22.600 Jealous.

01:31:22.920 People are not allowed...

01:31:23.640 I'm doing a speech.

01:31:25.600 People are not allowed to have dreams anymore.

01:31:28.860 Yeah.

01:31:29.520 Yeah.

01:31:30.160 Hamster dreams.

01:31:30.940 Okay.

01:31:31.380 Uh-huh.

01:31:32.040 Wow.

01:31:32.640 That was compelling.

01:31:33.080 I had hamsters when I was young.

01:31:34.080 First of all, we need to immediately drop thousands of these hamster wheels in Cuba.

01:31:38.120 So we get more Republican voters in Florida.

01:31:41.860 That's correct.

01:31:42.460 That's right.

01:31:42.920 And cigars.

01:31:43.880 Democrats will buy them and send them over to Florida.

01:31:45.720 They're awesome.

01:31:46.300 I love the humans in Florida.

01:31:47.300 They're awesome.

01:31:48.060 So more of this.

01:31:48.840 More hamster wheels.

01:31:49.920 Not fewer hamster wheels.

01:31:50.900 The answer to hamster wheels is more hamster wheels.

01:31:55.200 That is the actual answer.

01:31:57.200 Also, again, I don't know...

01:31:58.580 Why does the Coast Guard care?

01:31:59.900 So here...

01:32:00.500 Can I be the wet blanket here?

01:32:01.340 Try a Chinese spy balloon flying across America.

01:32:03.640 U.S. military, like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

01:32:15.240 I don't think that people should be permitted to commit suicide in elaborately cartoonish ways.

01:32:22.760 I think that's a bad idea for society.

01:32:25.000 I think people should be allowed to go into the ocean in elaborately cartoonish ways.

01:32:29.220 Is he dead?

01:32:30.120 Is his second...

01:32:30.520 No, he's not.

01:32:31.460 He's not dead.

01:32:32.300 And you're right.

01:32:32.640 He's a success, and I have more questions.

01:32:34.340 I want to know more about the contraption.

01:32:35.580 I want to know...

01:32:35.760 How high were the waves?

01:32:36.800 What's that experience like?

01:32:37.800 Yeah, there's so many questions about the story.

01:32:39.620 And what were the charges?

01:32:40.980 How many miles is the Atlantic Ocean?

01:32:43.100 Because if it's 80, I say let him go for it.

01:32:45.960 But...

01:32:46.400 It reminds me of the case of the...

01:32:49.400 We remember many years ago.

01:32:50.940 The man that took a lawn chair.

01:32:52.560 He put a bunch of balloons on a lawn chair.

01:32:53.940 Yes.

01:32:54.500 And he floated into the sky.

01:32:55.760 They took that man down also, and they arrested him on what charges?

01:33:00.080 On what charges?

01:33:00.880 Really.

01:33:01.040 On the charges of excellent cartoonish fun.

01:33:05.100 Exactly.

01:33:05.780 It's just terrible.

01:33:06.960 I don't understand it at all.

01:33:09.360 And it seems to me that, frankly, we should replace General Mark Milley with this fellow.

01:33:14.500 Reza Bellucci.

01:33:15.380 He has greater expertise on the high seas than apparently many of our military.

01:33:19.680 I don't know how much white rage he has, though.

01:33:21.660 You know, that's going to be a point of contention.

01:33:23.600 And he's already lived longer than most hamsters.

01:33:25.340 He's playing with the house's money.

01:33:29.260 You know, folks, it's time to take some of our member questions.

01:33:33.300 Now, we're not going to switch over because we're here.

01:33:35.200 We're just here for Daily Wire Plus right now.

01:33:36.820 Got it.

01:33:36.920 So, this is one of the perks of being a Daily Wire Plus member, is that you can submit questions about any topic other than extraterrestrials, and we will answer them from our lovely members who fund this whole place.

01:33:50.260 First question up, Candace, will you be doing a second season of Convicting a Murderer where you debunk Avery's new lawyer, Kathleen?

01:33:59.540 I think she does a good job of making it look like he was framed, and I thought season two of Making a Murderer was more convincing than season one.

01:34:07.920 Wow, that's actually an unusual take.

01:34:09.500 People said that season two was not great, and season one was one that hooked everybody.

01:34:12.900 Most people actually dropped off after season one, after watching a few episodes in season two.

01:34:16.740 But to answer the question, first and foremost, one of the things many of my husbands always say is lawyers got a lawyer.

01:34:21.580 If you're a good lawyer, you know how to lawyer.

01:34:23.520 You just talk and, like, you know, and bill people for tons of money, and she had the crowd already because Netflix did all the work for her.

01:34:30.660 It's interesting to see that she hasn't yet said anything since it's come out.

01:34:34.300 We've already gotten so many tremendous emails from people saying that they've flipped their opinion, including people that were in the documentary, like, hardcore Stephen Avery, the cat incident.

01:34:42.240 Like, they were just, like, personally just looking at this and realizing that they left out these details is already disturbing to me.

01:34:49.240 So I think it's going to be interesting, and I think especially because the documentary makers were women.

01:34:53.160 Kathleen Zellner is a woman.

01:34:55.560 Once you learn what happened and how Teresa Hallback suffered, and then you realize that she was, again, murdered in her afterlife, figuratively, by a bunch of women who were just out to make money, it's not a good position to be in.

01:35:07.180 So I'm watching Kathleen Zellner.

01:35:08.940 I don't think she's going to be saying much.

01:35:12.120 So far, she seems pretty mum.

01:35:14.880 I'm working on a different documentary right now, and if, you know, Convicting a Murderer, if there's tons of interest in the season two, which I think after you get through what we've unpacked, you're going to be like, no, this man's guilty.

01:35:26.000 Maybe we'll do it.

01:35:27.100 But I'm, you know, working on some other stuff right now.

01:35:29.500 I want you to do Convicting a Murderer on O.J.

01:35:32.260 Oh, my gosh.

01:35:33.740 I think it would be amazing.

01:35:34.520 I want you to do all the murders.

01:35:36.320 Especially after they did that whole...

01:35:37.880 Central Park Five.

01:35:38.280 I mean, everything.

01:35:39.120 It's just everyone.

01:35:39.980 They did that entire series, basically proclaiming that it was because of the failures of the prosecution that he wasn't convicted when it was very clear why he wasn't convicted.

01:35:46.460 Yeah, and I clearly remember, actually, in my childhood, like, my dad and people in my family being excited that he didn't...

01:35:52.360 Like, it was like this thing where your pressure was just you're black.

01:35:54.360 You're supposed to be happy that he didn't get off.

01:35:55.460 I was so young, obviously.

01:35:56.840 I remember.

01:35:56.880 I was in public school at the time.

01:35:57.480 But that was pretty much it.

01:35:58.640 I remember they wheeled...

01:35:58.960 If you were black, you cheered because he got off.

01:36:01.060 And then I got older and I learned the facts of the case, and I was like...

01:36:03.200 That he brutally murdered his boyfriend lawyer.

01:36:04.740 Or a waiter, rather.

01:36:05.920 Yeah, I remember they literally wheeled a TV into our classroom to announce the verdict on the OJ case.

01:36:13.320 And I remember there was...

01:36:14.180 How old were you?

01:36:14.600 It was crazy.

01:36:15.040 How old were you?

01:36:15.460 Well, that was 95, so I was 11.

01:36:17.120 Okay.

01:36:17.340 Wow.

01:36:17.820 And I remember they wheeled it into the classroom.

01:36:19.440 And I remember there was a dramatic racial split.

01:36:22.640 It was like everybody who was...

01:36:23.940 Every black kid in the class was like, yeah!

01:36:25.540 Easy.

01:36:25.880 And everybody else was like, he's so obviously guilty.

01:36:28.280 Guilty, yeah.

01:36:29.120 And, yeah.

01:36:29.960 Did you see the gloves?

01:36:31.000 Yeah, that's actually super interesting.

01:36:31.720 The gloves didn't fit on his hand.

01:36:33.340 But that really tells you how black America is so seen by the cultural icons.

01:36:37.900 You know, culture.

01:36:39.000 He plays football.

01:36:40.100 This person plays basketball.

01:36:41.040 It doesn't matter what the facts are.

01:36:42.240 By the way, that was what was amazing about the OJ case.

01:36:43.980 I'm not to get completely digressive here.

01:36:45.880 Is that OJ was completely disconnected from the quote-unquote black community.

01:36:49.500 I'm not black, I'm OJ.

01:36:50.240 He lived in the whitest area in L.A.

01:36:51.880 Brentwood was the whitest area in L.A.

01:36:53.800 And by the way, if he'd been tried in Brentwood, he is guilty as hell.

01:36:56.200 Right?

01:36:56.340 He goes immediately to death row if he's tried in Brentwood.

01:36:58.840 And the minute they moved it to downtown L.A., that case was over, basically, because they had a different jury pool.

01:37:03.640 But the black community rallying around OJ, who had done nothing for the black community, like, at all.

01:37:08.580 But he was good at sports.

01:37:09.720 It was an amazing, amazing thing.

01:37:11.200 Speaking of murders, this is a question for the group.

01:37:13.540 Is it now spooky season?

01:37:15.760 Personally, for me, it is.

01:37:17.040 But collectively, what do you all think?

01:37:18.640 I mean, it's pagan crap.

01:37:20.200 That's what I think.

01:37:20.800 I'm trying to get my husband to be Prince Harry so I can be Meghan Markle.

01:37:25.240 Wow.

01:37:25.860 Or Instagram.

01:37:26.780 Oh, you should probably do it.

01:37:27.700 Come on, just for Instagram.

01:37:28.780 Oh, you 100% have to do that.

01:37:29.580 Just get dressed up and...

01:37:30.720 What do we have to tell them to make that happen?

01:37:32.440 I know.

01:37:32.680 That's nice.

01:37:33.120 I know.

01:37:33.820 It's just like, I'm like, it's perfect.

01:37:35.220 All we have to do is moan and...

01:37:37.180 We want privacy!

01:37:38.440 We want privacy!

01:37:40.160 Are you...

01:37:40.700 You're actually anti-Halloween?

01:37:41.960 Yes.

01:37:42.760 But you have Jewish Halloween.

01:37:43.960 You have Purim.

01:37:44.980 Purim has nothing to do with...

01:37:46.060 Yes, it does.

01:37:46.700 Pagan spirits and weird pumpkins and crap.

01:37:50.040 They get to dress up and they get to have fun.

01:37:51.360 Purim's like most of our holidays.

01:37:52.400 It's like, they tried to kill us, we defeated them, let's eat.

01:37:54.440 And in this case, let's drink.

01:37:55.740 And we'll read some stuff.

01:37:56.700 And put on silly costumes.

01:37:57.740 And put on silly costumes.

01:37:58.680 Yeah.

01:37:58.980 Yeah, celebrate Halloween.

01:37:59.700 What about you, Michael?

01:38:00.420 You...

01:38:00.740 There is a...

01:38:01.680 Look, I used to be really into Halloween back when I was just a vicious pagan.

01:38:06.600 But I'm into it now in that it has great religious significance.

01:38:10.840 You know, All Hallows' Eve and All Saints' Day.

01:38:13.980 And so there is a question for Christians, which is the really trad, like, good, wholesome

01:38:20.120 thing to do, is you dress your kids up not as monsters and ghosts, but as saints.

01:38:23.860 And the thing is, the saint costumes are pretty gory, too.

01:38:28.240 Like, Peter Martin's got an axe in his head.

01:38:31.880 Saint Simon the Zealot's carrying a saw that sawed him in half, you know.

01:38:34.760 So those could be...

01:38:35.560 Or you just wear, like, white robes.

01:38:37.620 Yeah, but then the advantage is you go trick-or-treating with a kid and you have to explain the costume

01:38:40.560 to every house.

01:38:41.380 They're like, what are you?

01:38:42.160 Oh, I'm saint.

01:38:42.960 You get the blank expressions when you explain it.

01:38:44.840 But I'm still pretty into it.

01:38:46.100 So we split between, like, a horror show and a saint.

01:38:50.440 My kid last year just went as Elvis.

01:38:52.620 And now I'm thinking about Curious George for the little baby and the man in the yellow

01:38:56.980 hat for my eldest.

01:38:58.300 Yeah, we did do Purim.

01:38:59.480 And so this year it'll probably be something Star Wars related because my kids are very,

01:39:02.840 very into Star Wars.

01:39:03.580 And the good news is there are a lot of characters in that.

01:39:04.960 So we're doing that, plus my sister's family.

01:39:06.740 So that is eight kids combined, four adults, and my parents.

01:39:09.860 Who gets to be Jar Jar?

01:39:11.540 No one is Jar Jar.

01:39:13.140 Greatest character.

01:39:13.640 The baby is always Baby Yoda.

01:39:15.980 Oh, so cute.

01:39:17.100 Yeah.

01:39:17.320 Are you pro-Halloween?

01:39:19.320 Oh, I'm fine with it.

01:39:20.260 Yeah, I don't.

01:39:21.180 We don't like, you know.

01:39:21.840 Shocking to me.

01:39:22.740 So Captain Yoga is the root of all evil.

01:39:25.200 It's like fine with Halloween and it's crinitoral.

01:39:26.920 Well, because for the reason Michael just pointed out.

01:39:29.340 It's actually got deep Christian significance.

01:39:31.420 And I mean, I'm not going to, the kids aren't going to dress up like devils or whatever.

01:39:34.440 But, you know, it's just a fun, and it's really modern Halloween.

01:39:37.640 It's just a commercial invention.

01:39:39.200 It doesn't have roots any deeper than that.

01:39:40.760 So that's all.

01:39:41.060 Yeah, I'm with Matt on this.

01:39:42.400 I like Halloween.

01:39:43.220 I mean, it's fun.

01:39:43.980 I can't believe I'm the fundamentalist Christian on this.

01:39:45.480 You are.

01:39:46.160 You are.

01:39:46.600 And you get an evangelical.

01:39:47.740 It's not coming to now.

01:39:48.240 We haven't done it.

01:39:48.940 You get candy, so.

01:39:50.180 And you get candy, which is, and the parents get to eat the candy.

01:39:53.000 But they put razors in the candy.

01:39:54.740 Did you?

01:39:54.980 That's what, I always heard they put razors in the candy.

01:39:57.100 I've never once had a razor in my candy.

01:39:58.640 I did that to my kids, but most people don't do that.

01:40:00.960 Not to the neighborhood.

01:40:01.620 My kids very much believe that there are bad guys out there that might poison candy.

01:40:05.040 That's why Daddy...

01:40:05.560 I would like to...

01:40:06.220 Yeah, by eating the candy.

01:40:08.640 Sacrificially check the candy to make sure it's not poison.

01:40:10.500 You're a good man.

01:40:12.360 I want mini, like, Jeremy's chocolates, but I want to launch my own Jeremy's chocolate.

01:40:17.540 Candice, it's okay to be white chocolate.

01:40:19.400 This feels appropriate for Halloween.

01:40:22.200 And they would sell out at the Daily Wire, and I'd like to pitch this live.

01:40:25.420 Ben?

01:40:26.360 Ben?

01:40:27.240 Wow.

01:40:27.520 We'll put it in the hopper.

01:40:28.380 Yeah.

01:40:28.580 Put it in the hopper.

01:40:29.260 We'll get it back to you.

01:40:29.900 Thank you.

01:40:30.260 Okay.

01:40:30.480 There's a process.

01:40:30.820 Just throw it out there live.

01:40:32.000 There's a process.

01:40:32.740 I'm a big fan of white chocolate.

01:40:34.240 We'll just go crazy.

01:40:35.360 My original white chocolate proposal was the Rachel Dolezal.

01:40:37.880 Yeah.

01:40:38.120 That's the best idea the Daily Wire has had ever made.

01:40:45.220 In quite a while.

01:40:46.660 Just trying to, you know, sell out some chocolate here, guys.

01:40:49.220 This is a question for the panel.

01:40:50.900 My brother has come out as a trans woman.

01:40:53.840 My family fully supports his decision, and I seem to be the only person that seems to disagree with it.

01:40:58.900 I'm stuck between submitting and supporting him and getting shunned for being transphobic.

01:41:05.120 Any thought would help?

01:41:07.120 Thanks.

01:41:08.140 Matt Walsh.

01:41:09.820 Well, you know, I think we all, I mean, this is probably the number one question I get when I'm out doing college talks, is a version of this question.

01:41:16.980 What do I do?

01:41:17.420 Such as family members come out as trans, what do I do?

01:41:19.960 And, I mean, the answer is that, unfortunately, there's not any easy, like, I can't give you, I don't think anyone can give you a three-step process that you can follow and everything will be fine.

01:41:27.220 And the answer is just, it's just going to be difficult.

01:41:29.540 But for you, there's just, there's no option of going along with it.

01:41:33.420 You absolutely do not submit to it.

01:41:35.520 And all you can do, so you're not going to submit.

01:41:38.320 You're going to stand with the truth.

01:41:40.340 It doesn't mean that you're being aggressive or necessarily even confrontational, but you're not going to go along with this delusion.

01:41:47.560 Your brother is a male and you're going to stand by that.

01:41:50.600 And all you can do is have faith, and I think it will work out this way, oftentimes it does, where in the short term, he's not going to want to be around you.

01:41:58.240 He's going to want to disown you as a sibling.

01:42:00.540 That is the case.

01:42:01.160 But down the line, you might plant some seeds, and down the line, quite possibly, he will realize that not only were you right, but you were the only person in the family who really loved him in any way that mattered.

01:42:14.260 Yeah, so, you know, I actually had, I was walking around Tennessee the other day, and a gal came up to me, and we were chatting, and she watches the show, and she was with some liberal people.

01:42:23.820 And then as we're talking, she goes, hey, before I left, she goes, by the way, can you tell Matt that his movie really helped me because my sister is trans, like thinks, and I said, oh, I'm sorry, that's very difficult.

01:42:36.540 And she goes, yeah, I mean, she's like had the mastectomy, like she's pretty far along in this.

01:42:40.580 And I could tell this gal didn't, you know, she was surrounded by liberal people.

01:42:44.560 She didn't know what to do, and so she was standing for truth as best she could, but she really felt the pressure.

01:42:51.620 And your movie apparently, like, shaped her view on how she could handle this kind of thing.

01:42:56.340 Well, this is, honestly, the counter message to what you're saying is one of the worst messages in our society, which is that love means unconditional support for any decision that a person makes, no matter how damaging to themselves or others.

01:43:08.480 That is not what love is.

01:43:09.420 I mean, when the Bible says don't place a stumbling block in front of a blind person, this is what it is talking about.

01:43:14.660 This is literally what it is talking about.

01:43:16.100 You are not allowed.

01:43:17.140 You are biblically forbidden, and you should be morally forbidden from somebody who's doing something wrong, humoring them, going along with it, because if you truly love that person, you have to let them know that what they are doing is a mistake for them.

01:43:28.060 It's a mistake for the family.

01:43:29.280 It has extra, and it's so hard.

01:43:30.800 It's so bad.

01:43:31.620 It really is.

01:43:32.240 But there's, as Matt says, there is no other choice, because if you surrender to that, that's not love.

01:43:38.820 That's just acquiescence.

01:43:39.860 That's not a scandal.

01:43:40.320 There are ways and ways of doing this.

01:43:42.520 I mean, one of the things—

01:43:43.300 Of course.

01:43:43.700 We're always talking about like—

01:43:44.600 One of the things that's very disturbing on the right is that the choice is between accepting what somebody's doing and condemning them.

01:43:53.960 Throwing them off a rooftop.

01:43:54.720 You're burning them at the stake, and there are plenty of ways to turn to somebody and say, listen, I love you.

01:43:59.500 I'm always here for you.

01:44:00.540 I'll always talk to you.

01:44:01.380 I'm just telling you where I stand on this, and anytime you need me, I'm here.

01:44:04.820 You know, and that's a different thing.

01:44:06.000 Also, by the way, I mean, listen to any detransitioner, Chloe Cole, or any detransitioner that's spoken out about this, and they'll all say the same thing about—I mean, they feel deeply betrayed and used by the medical industry and by therapists and counselors and all these—I mean, all these systems, institutions that have abused them.

01:44:23.380 But they also deal with—you know, they also look back at their family members, and they think, like, why didn't you—why did you go along with this?

01:44:30.240 Why didn't you stop me?

01:44:33.060 This is a question for Ben.

01:44:34.260 Ben, any updates as to how Pendragon is going and when Jeremy is coming back?

01:44:38.220 So, Jeremy will be there forever.

01:44:40.900 And he will be—and he will force me, purgatory-like, to come to this set, despite the fact that he started this show, mainly so that he could be part of a show with all of us.

01:44:49.880 Come to this set.

01:44:50.640 To this—the backstage set.

01:44:51.900 This specific backstage set, I'll be doing that for the next 20 years while Jeremy is still in hunger.

01:44:56.340 You know, I'm drinking.

01:44:57.320 No, the reality is I spoke with Jeremy today, and it's apparently going great.

01:45:00.920 He was shooting a battle scene, which sounds awesome.

01:45:03.940 I know that you actually visited the set.

01:45:06.160 It's a better question for you than it is for me.

01:45:07.640 So I was over in Budapest, but it was before—so I saw Jeremy, obviously, but it was before they started shooting.

01:45:13.260 I've seen—on an iPhone, you know, I've seen some of the—it's out of this world.

01:45:20.500 I had no idea.

01:45:21.640 I mean, I am—

01:45:22.320 They built an entire village.

01:45:23.520 Yes, they're going to have to start selling furniture from this set and all of it just to start funding what's going on over there.

01:45:29.760 It is—it is—the scale of this cannot really be overstated.

01:45:37.240 You know, this is not the ordinary film.

01:45:39.640 So it's very cool, and yes, he's going to be over there forever, and that's too bad.

01:45:43.500 I hope I get to see him again at some point.

01:45:45.440 This is a question for me.

01:45:47.140 Catholics believe that once married, you can't be unmarried.

01:45:49.740 However, what if the marriage was not done by the church?

01:45:52.780 Let's say that a man gets married outside of the church and then gets a divorce.

01:45:56.760 Is it okay for him to get remarried inside of the church?

01:45:59.540 I am not a priest, so this is actually not an answer—a question for me.

01:46:03.280 There is a process for this in the Catholic Church, which is called annulment,

01:46:06.800 and people think annulment is just the Catholic loophole around divorce,

01:46:09.820 because the Catholics say, no divorce, punto y basta, sorry, it's over, not going to happen.

01:46:14.180 And the question of annulment is, was your marriage valid in the first place,

01:46:18.100 which is kind of what you're getting at.

01:46:19.740 And I don't have the answer to that, because I need a lot of the specifics.

01:46:23.160 So this is why there's an investigation.

01:46:24.520 It's actually kind of difficult to get an annulment.

01:46:27.720 What happens after a marriage, you can say, well, my husband's a big jerk,

01:46:31.000 and he cheated on me, and that doesn't matter.

01:46:33.700 I mean, it's bad. It's horrible. It obviously matters in your marriage.

01:46:35.880 But that wouldn't determine whether or not your marriage was valid at the time.

01:46:39.660 So what you would do, and this is not really the sort of thing that in our individualist society we like to hear,

01:46:47.180 is you would go to the church, and you would have the relevant authorities investigate this.

01:46:51.000 And a lot of times there are issues with how marriages were done.

01:46:55.220 But if not, you're stuck, man. Sorry to tell you, but you've got to work on your marriage.

01:47:00.780 And if people took that more seriously, maybe the divorce rate would be a little bit lower.

01:47:05.420 How's that? Question for all.

01:47:06.840 I want to get married, but I haven't found anyone.

01:47:09.000 I'm so scared of dating apps after a friend got kidnapped from one.

01:47:13.280 Well, yeah.

01:47:14.120 Go on.

01:47:14.960 Yeah, huh?

01:47:15.380 Yeah. I'm 20 and getting old for my culture, family, and faith.

01:47:19.940 All right, you know, 20.

01:47:21.320 Are you like a Wahhabi and, you know, sweaty ladies or something?

01:47:25.040 How do I find conservative Christians?

01:47:28.860 I'm in college. I'm active in my community.

01:47:32.000 I need a guy like you guys. What do I do?

01:47:34.440 Well, I'm taken, baby, so sorry. Not going to work.

01:47:36.660 You know, but I'm hearing this a lot from young women of, you know, who are good standing and actually cling to conservative values.

01:47:46.340 That guys aren't stepping up.

01:47:48.040 Well, that makes perfect sense. Why would guys step up?

01:47:50.060 They have a free field of sex available to them whenever they want in any place from any woman, basically.

01:47:55.400 What is the actual thing to become a woman?

01:47:57.340 I agree with you.

01:47:59.420 The thing we're picking on with that lady is that she's promulgating that as a standard.

01:48:02.480 Yeah, that's one element. And then also the consequences of the Me Too movement, which I was just talking about yesterday,

01:48:06.620 is men are scared to even approach a woman and ask her on a date, to compliment her, to tell her that she's beautiful.

01:48:10.800 These natural things that were happening between men and women have now been cast as perverse.

01:48:14.840 The perverse stuff is not considered perverse, so being naked online is totally fine.

01:48:18.800 But then a man just being allowed to go up to a girl and say you look beautiful or talk to her,

01:48:24.740 and women are suffering because they're like, why aren't men stepping up to the plate?

01:48:27.820 Well, because they're terrified.

01:48:28.560 They're terrified because they hold a door and a feminist screams at them and says,

01:48:32.640 I can do it all by myself.

01:48:33.700 And you're saying, I'm not my people in the week.

01:48:34.840 It used to happen to me all the time. I never cared.

01:48:36.200 So there's a, exactly, there's a cultural sickness.

01:48:39.900 Or if they try to initiate, you know, if they try to flirt with a woman or something, they're afraid of sexual harassment.

01:48:44.960 Yeah, you're raped with sexual harassment, yes.

01:48:46.080 If I could, just to give some practical advice, well, I'm not really equipped to give practical advice.

01:48:50.820 I haven't been on the dating scene in over a decade, but she brought up the dating apps.

01:48:54.100 And I think that a lot of these dating apps, from the little I know about them, many of these dating apps,

01:48:58.960 probably most of them are pretty bad because they're really just hookup apps.

01:49:01.920 And the people that use them aren't interested in having relationships.

01:49:04.380 But if you can find, I think there are still some apps and sites out there, dating sites,

01:49:08.320 where people tend to go there because they're interested in actually having a relationship.

01:49:13.140 And they are, really, it's a, even if they don't put it this way, it's more of a courtship site.

01:49:17.600 And so I think it's, that's a very practical tool that people these days should use.

01:49:23.540 And really, you know, I think for a lot of people, they're like, if I don't have that,

01:49:26.500 if I don't have the app or the website, then how am I supposed to move?

01:49:28.560 You know, the other thing is, you do have to make friends.

01:49:31.200 If you're a single person, you do have to make friends with people who are married.

01:49:34.540 Because if you ask a group of married friends, if they have somebody for you, very often, they will have...

01:49:39.320 Traditional matchmaking.

01:49:40.180 A hundred percent.

01:49:40.640 Go backwards.

01:49:41.380 And they love doing it.

01:49:42.940 Honestly, this is the way, in the Orthodox community, the way that it happens is basically,

01:49:45.840 you have a single person and you invite them over for Shabbat with a bunch of other people.

01:49:49.040 And the person will say, I'm single.

01:49:50.040 And literally, the first question all the married couples ask is, okay, what are you looking for?

01:49:53.180 Like, we'll immediately start what we call the shidduch conversation, right?

01:49:56.360 We'll start talking with them, what they're looking for.

01:49:58.340 And then we all start, like, racking our memories for, like, okay, who's still available?

01:50:01.840 What does that mean, though?

01:50:02.880 What conversation?

01:50:03.800 It's called shidduch.

01:50:04.880 It's a shidduchim.

01:50:05.700 That's like the Hebrew term for fix-ups.

01:50:08.420 Okay.

01:50:08.740 So you start having the shidduch conversation.

01:50:10.620 This is stuff that, like, I don't know a couple that hasn't fixed up other couples in the Jewish community.

01:50:14.700 Especially, yeah.

01:50:15.420 Yeah, I remember the woman I introduced you to that I used to nanny for.

01:50:18.060 It was an Orthodox Jewish family in New York.

01:50:19.840 And they were all like, ah, I love you.

01:50:22.800 But anyways, she was a matchmaker.

01:50:24.680 Yeah.

01:50:24.940 Yeah, she was a matchmaker.

01:50:25.740 And it works.

01:50:26.840 It actually works.

01:50:28.060 100%.

01:50:28.420 I mean, if you watch, so I rarely recommend shows on Netflix, but I did do a YouTube video

01:50:33.080 about a show called Jewish Matchmaking, which is on Netflix.

01:50:35.700 It's a great show.

01:50:36.560 And the lady who does it is what they call a shadchan.

01:50:39.120 She's a full-time matchmaker.

01:50:41.240 And it's an Orthodox lady.

01:50:42.560 So what she says is actually pretty good advice.

01:50:45.020 I mean, she's actually, like, having people date for values.

01:50:47.880 She tells them that they really should stay chaste, that they should try to actually get

01:50:51.280 to know one another and determine whether they're into, you know, something maritally

01:50:54.860 related.

01:50:55.700 And, you know, that—but the broader question is, I see this in my community.

01:50:59.660 I don't know if you guys see this also.

01:51:00.780 There is a wildly imbalance between the number of girls who want to get married, which actually

01:51:03.640 in many—in our community is larger, the number of guys, because there's an age gap

01:51:07.200 also.

01:51:07.480 So what's happening is that guys can marry up to the time, like, they're 30, but girls

01:51:11.560 by the time in our community, they're, like, 25, are already starting to get on, like, the—like,

01:51:16.000 you're on the older scale of getting married in our community.

01:51:17.960 And that's a real problem.

01:51:20.000 And so the only way to fix that is by going back to—I know old-fashioned words are chastity.

01:51:24.900 It's the only way to make it go back.

01:51:26.420 Because, again, the old bargain was that, yes, you would have sex within the confines

01:51:30.400 of marriage.

01:51:30.740 And it was a real draw, you know?

01:51:31.960 It was a real selling point.

01:51:32.840 It was, like, if you would like access to this thing that will, you know, give you

01:51:36.500 extraordinary bliss and pleasure and also comes along with a family, then you're going

01:51:39.720 to have to get married for it.

01:51:40.660 And then women were, like, what if we just have sex randomly?

01:51:42.840 And guys were, like, okay, sounds amazing.

01:51:44.680 And then women were, like, well, but where did all of you go?

01:51:47.480 Why exactly—where did all the men go?

01:51:50.180 To the lady next door.

01:51:51.140 That's where all the men went.

01:51:52.080 I mean, like, ugh.

01:51:52.800 This is, you know, sometimes people will—before dating apps, they would go to bars or they'd go

01:51:57.260 to whatever, you know.

01:51:57.840 That was my life.

01:51:58.420 Join the softball league or something.

01:52:00.500 I don't know.

01:52:00.880 You're probably not going to find a lot of men in the softball league.

01:52:02.380 But the—that's fine.

01:52:04.540 You can meet people there.

01:52:06.140 However, my friends who I've kind of helped guide to different little romances and things,

01:52:10.980 it's not when you go to a common interest group.

01:52:13.640 It's when you go to a common values group.

01:52:15.200 Correct.

01:52:15.620 And it could be political.

01:52:16.860 It could be religious.

01:52:17.680 It's better.

01:52:18.460 But that's going to be much, much more effective because the guy you see at the bar, maybe

01:52:22.880 he's a good guy, but you just have no way of knowing that.

01:52:25.360 The guy you go to the sports league with—

01:52:26.640 You're never going to meet the girl you want in the bar.

01:52:28.560 Yeah.

01:52:28.960 It's rare.

01:52:29.720 It's rare.

01:52:30.060 Not to sound like a self-help book, but, you know, there's some basic things here.

01:52:35.060 Like, you have to work on yourself.

01:52:36.600 I mean, that's the only thing you have direct control over right now.

01:52:39.560 If you're single and you want to meet someone, you have direct control.

01:52:42.700 You can't force anyone to be interested in you, but the only thing you can directly control

01:52:45.860 is yourself.

01:52:46.280 So, you know, very often when I talk to single people, whether man or woman, and they have

01:52:51.540 complaints like this, and even, you know, not to be rude, but even just like looking

01:52:55.300 at them, I can think, well, there are some things you could dress better.

01:52:58.620 You can go to the gym.

01:52:59.420 You can work out.

01:53:00.060 You can work on your appearance.

01:53:01.020 Things like appearance that really does matter.

01:53:03.280 That's what's going to initially draw you to someone and draw people to you.

01:53:07.060 So, like, basic things like that.

01:53:09.940 And I think...

01:53:10.660 And also to be virtuous.

01:53:12.660 I was going to say, where are you?

01:53:15.000 Where in location?

01:53:16.920 Are you in a church?

01:53:18.020 Are you in a temple?

01:53:18.720 Are you in the places where you're going to meet the guy or the girl who's doing the

01:53:22.280 same things that you're doing?

01:53:23.020 Because if you're doing...

01:53:24.460 Listen, back when I was an atheist for 10 years, you know, in some of my single days,

01:53:27.820 I was...

01:53:28.780 Did a little blow?

01:53:29.560 Did...

01:53:29.800 Now, listen here.

01:53:30.760 I ate some dogs and did some blow and hung out with Larry St. Blair.

01:53:33.120 No, like, I wasn't, like, going down the Obama path, but I, you know, when I was...

01:53:37.420 I'd hope not.

01:53:38.020 When I was either in my mind or in real life, and with him maybe it was both, but, you know,

01:53:43.460 when I would date gals back in my single days, I was, like, kind of a degenerate, you know,

01:53:49.400 I was kind of a derelict.

01:53:50.380 I was not at the appropriate degree of virtue to which I could even expect to, you know,

01:53:55.640 other than through a solely unmerited grace to end up with a virtuous lady like sweet

01:54:00.960 little Elisa.

01:54:01.420 So, like, you can work on yourself in that way, too, to be the kind of person who is

01:54:06.180 even remotely deserving of the kind of woman you want to marry.

01:54:09.600 Yeah, but it's more important to just be hot.

01:54:11.180 And be hot.

01:54:12.340 And look smacked.

01:54:13.420 You got to look smacked.

01:54:14.100 I feel bad because I feel like I have a marriage, an exemplary marriage.

01:54:17.680 I can tell people about being married, but we did everything wrong, you know, I picked

01:54:21.600 my wife up hitchhiking, you know.

01:54:23.020 We did every single thing wrong.

01:54:25.180 So, why'd you get in the car?

01:54:27.720 I know.

01:54:28.420 That's the crazy part.

01:54:29.220 Not you.

01:54:29.980 Her.

01:54:30.240 What in the world?

01:54:31.520 Well, it's still her.

01:54:32.960 I don't understand it.

01:54:34.700 But still, like, I don't know how to meet people because I did everything wrong.

01:54:38.040 Hitchhiking.

01:54:39.380 Hitchhiking.

01:54:39.860 That's the way to do it.

01:54:40.200 That's the answer to your question.

01:54:41.540 Hitchhiking.

01:54:41.780 This is a question.

01:54:44.000 Is there a food in your home?

01:54:45.160 Stand out.

01:54:46.120 Get that thumb ready to go.

01:54:47.400 Works every time.

01:54:48.460 This is a question for everyone.

01:54:49.620 Thoughts about evolution.

01:54:51.300 I think that other animals probably evolved.

01:54:53.920 But I have a hard time believing that animals without human souls birth a human with a human

01:54:59.480 soul.

01:55:00.460 So, let's see how lib everybody is here.

01:55:02.100 Do you all believe in that Darwinian nonsense?

01:55:05.900 Yes.

01:55:06.660 I mean, like, in which sense?

01:55:09.240 That's a good question.

01:55:10.440 Because they're a bunch of sort of versions of Darwin that are competing with one another.

01:55:16.100 The classical Darwinian sense is not correct.

01:55:18.300 There is no smooth scale of evolution that where over time, punctuated equilibrium is

01:55:23.540 the way that evolution really works.

01:55:24.580 Where there's sort of like random explosions that you can't really explain as to evolution.

01:55:28.580 Where it's basically stable for a long time, then bam, all of a sudden, huge variety of

01:55:32.800 new species.

01:55:33.800 And then it kind of winnows, and then bam, huge variety of new species and great advances.

01:55:37.880 And, you know, to me, like, one of the things that Stephen Meyer talks about this a lot is

01:55:43.800 that there's all this DNA that's kind of pre-existing the explosion, and then the explosion happens and

01:55:48.740 suddenly it gets activated.

01:55:50.360 And so you wonder, why is all that stuff there in the first?

01:55:52.060 Like, God can use whatever mechanism he wants to make a human being.

01:55:54.340 I'm always confused by this idea that God must have, the only way this would have

01:55:57.380 happened is if God was like a, you know, was a potter, and he just went and he like made

01:56:00.540 clay, and that's how he did it.

01:56:01.800 Like, no, maybe that's how you would do it, but God can do it however he damn well pleases.

01:56:05.940 And as far as when the soul adheres, the answer would be when the soul adheres.

01:56:11.800 I mean, I don't have like a straight answer on that.

01:56:13.140 That's sort of what C.S. Lewis said, was that there was some, maybe there was some kind

01:56:16.540 of animal thing, but it's at a certain point, God touched some baboon, and that baboon

01:56:21.160 became Adam.

01:56:22.960 That's why I've never quite seen this as a great spiritual problem like a lot of people do,

01:56:26.900 I think.

01:56:27.380 I mean, to Ben's point, we know that God could create however he wants to create.

01:56:31.740 We already know that God creates gradually.

01:56:33.620 That's how he chooses to do it.

01:56:34.460 I mean, that's how he creates every individual person.

01:56:35.960 Every person starts, you know, in the womb as a microscopic human being and then grows

01:56:41.480 from there.

01:56:42.140 Initially, it's unrecognizable as a human, becomes more recognizable over time, but

01:56:45.580 is always a human.

01:56:46.340 So we know that God creates gradually, and we also know that, you know, I mean, what is

01:56:50.680 evolution?

01:56:51.140 It's just genetic traits inherited over time and small changes over time that build.

01:56:56.520 We know this kind of thing happens, and we've observed it even through the course of human

01:56:59.380 civilization.

01:56:59.960 You can look at, like, not human, this is, well, we could look at, you know, a dog,

01:57:04.500 domesticated dogs.

01:57:05.480 Every dog is descended from wolves, and we know this, you know.

01:57:09.700 And so, you know, the golden retriever is, if you go back far enough, great, great, you

01:57:14.260 know, times a hundred grandfather is a wolf.

01:57:17.440 So we know that we've actually seen this.

01:57:19.540 We've observed this in human civilization happening.

01:57:22.680 So it doesn't challenge my faith at all.

01:57:24.200 It might be a little tougher.

01:57:25.380 The key issue is randomness.

01:57:28.260 This is the stupid part of evolution, because the randomness or order of a system is outside

01:57:33.600 the system.

01:57:34.260 So if you're inside the system, you can't tell whether it's random or ordered, except

01:57:37.760 by clues.

01:57:38.480 You can deduce it.

01:57:39.580 And the idea that this is random is absurd.

01:57:41.980 And all of the arguments for atheism from evolution are about the randomness.

01:57:47.640 They're not about the evolution.

01:57:48.500 That's a good point.

01:57:49.020 And it is not, you know, we are not in a random evolution.

01:57:51.160 I mean, the larger question for me, I definitely believe in evolution, but the larger question

01:57:54.040 for me is, like, devolving, which I think is actually happening right now.

01:57:57.540 Like, I'm watching people that are, like, going back to homo satiens and australopithecuses

01:58:01.020 screaming in the streets and acting like bambooms.

01:58:03.680 So I mean, I'm actually terrified of, like, devolving.

01:58:07.800 You know, I think I might be the most, like, Darwin skeptical then, perhaps.

01:58:12.960 There's a good essay by David Galerter, who's a genius polymath, who put it in the Claremont

01:58:19.320 Review of Books, and he said it's called Giving Up Darwin.

01:58:22.280 And he did it.

01:58:22.820 He's a mathematician, and he said he just now finds Darwin to be mathematically untenable.

01:58:27.580 There wasn't enough time.

01:58:28.440 It's a really interesting article.

01:58:29.380 And it's a good article, and it's based on another book by David Berlinski called The

01:58:32.920 Deniable Darwin, I think it's called.

01:58:34.400 And what David Galerter says is, look, I find evolution to be a beautiful theory.

01:58:39.920 It pains me to give it up, actually.

01:58:41.820 And I don't blame Darwin, because there have just been advances in mathematics that we have

01:58:45.840 now that, you know, Darwin wouldn't have had available to him.

01:58:49.100 So I remain...

01:58:50.500 Directed evolution, though.

01:58:51.920 Directed evolution, or even the kind of resuscitation of Lamarck, who had his own version of evolution,

01:58:57.400 and then it kind of went away for a while, and then it's come back through epigenetics

01:59:00.520 and the notion of inherited acquired traits through life, I basically don't care about

01:59:05.260 evolution.

01:59:05.960 If I found out tomorrow that it's all completely bunk, I wouldn't be surprised at all, and

01:59:09.140 I wouldn't care.

01:59:09.960 The one part I think that is...

01:59:11.520 And if I found out it were true, like, I guess it would be fine.

01:59:13.760 The one part that I think is spiritually significant is something that Pope Pius XII insisted on

01:59:18.840 in Umani Generis, which is we have to be descended from a common ancestor.

01:59:23.460 We human beings have to be descended from a literal Adam and a literal Eve, whatever their

01:59:28.360 names were, wherever they were, however they looked, because if that is not the case, then

01:59:34.300 things like human solidarity, then things like, well, then so many aspects that go along with

01:59:40.540 political life and that have theological bases, those kind of go away, and as do issues of

01:59:47.500 original sin and salvation history.

01:59:49.160 And so I do kind of stick on that point of a common...

01:59:52.720 Monogenesis is what it's called.

01:59:53.680 It's become increasingly accepted, though.

01:59:55.000 A lot of scientists...

01:59:56.120 Also, far from it...

01:59:57.000 Far from me to, you know, contradict Catholicism.

02:00:01.220 Yeah, yeah.

02:00:01.580 But I will stand with Aquinas, which is, you know, if science and the Bible contradict, one

02:00:08.720 of them is wrong.

02:00:09.720 Yes.

02:00:09.920 You're interpreting one of them wrong.

02:00:11.500 Yeah.

02:00:11.640 And so the basic...

02:00:13.760 Like, if I found out tomorrow that actually humanity had evolved separately, but the same,

02:00:19.160 in multiple different places at the same time, and then crossed streams at some point, would

02:00:23.240 that significantly bother me?

02:00:24.620 No, because the sin that exists in every human heart existed in all those human hearts

02:00:28.040 whenever those human hearts were created.

02:00:29.460 And it certainly wouldn't suck the truth of the depth out of Genesis, which is probably

02:00:33.220 the deepest.

02:00:33.640 But wouldn't it, wouldn't it, at the very least, complicate the choice of that?

02:00:39.400 In Adam, we all sinned, you know?

02:00:41.300 Well, I mean, but that depends on how you're reading the Adam and Eve stories.

02:00:45.120 Yes.

02:00:45.200 If you read that absolutely literally, that there was one man and one woman, and they

02:00:48.020 were in a garden, and then they ate a piece of fruit, and then God cast them out of this

02:00:51.620 garden for which a location is given, and all of this, then sure.

02:00:55.900 But if you read it the way that I think it is meant to be read, which is the greatest

02:00:59.940 piece of literature in human history, and which is meant to embed the most fundamental

02:01:05.300 messages in all of human history.

02:01:06.800 The first several chapters of Genesis are like the most fundamental stuff ever written by

02:01:09.640 anybody ever, because God wrote them.

02:01:11.360 And so what that means is that, like, by the way, I read Cain and Abel the same way.

02:01:15.000 I read the stories of Noah the same way.

02:01:16.560 But could, but if Adam can, Adam can be a genre of thing.

02:01:20.500 But if there were lots of Adam and Eve stories, right?

02:01:22.100 I mean, there's, there's, there's chapter one and chapter two.

02:01:23.720 They're not the same.

02:01:24.320 But if, but if, if there were lots of different Adams who all just coincidentally happened to

02:01:28.780 sin, does, does that coincidentally, that's buried in human nature.

02:01:31.780 The story of Adam and Eve, but human beings attempt to supplant their logic for God's logic

02:01:35.880 and are kicked out of the garden because.

02:01:37.200 But then did Adam, and every, and every human being recapitulates that journey throughout

02:01:41.640 the course of their life.

02:01:42.560 Did, did Adam and Eve not have the ability to obey God and not to disobey God?

02:01:46.560 They had the ability to obey God, but the, but the, the temptation of every human is to

02:01:50.960 supplant his own logic for, for God's logic, which is why no one ends up in the garden.

02:01:55.520 Because there's no, because in the end, human beings are fundamentally, without an act of

02:01:58.940 complete faith, human beings are fundamentally incapable of identifying completely with God's will

02:02:03.140 because God's non-

02:02:03.940 But what Adam was able to before he sinned, wasn't he?

02:02:06.460 I mean, that's the Christian understanding.

02:02:08.140 Without asking questions, but then he starts asking questions and, and pretty soon, you

02:02:12.120 know, things go on.

02:02:12.520 You know, it's entirely possible that there was an Adam and Eve, but if there wasn't,

02:02:15.860 the Bible is still-

02:02:16.800 This is what I'm saying.

02:02:17.560 Literally.

02:02:17.760 Like, I don't know why I would take a risky situation, I'm not going to take the risky

02:02:20.620 position of, I know exactly how everything went down.

02:02:22.940 The one thing I do know is that the Bible remains true no matter how it went down.

02:02:25.320 It remains, it remains so incredibly true.

02:02:27.220 Yeah.

02:02:27.380 Well, on that cliffhanger, on the cliffhanger of the origin of-

02:02:32.120 We didn't get a chance to talk about-

02:02:34.280 Oh, that's what time we have.

02:02:35.400 What topic did you want?

02:02:36.340 I think that's it, guys.

02:02:37.400 Too bad.

02:02:38.040 But we'll be sure to get to it next time.

02:02:39.540 And we'll sit around here talking about it after.

02:02:41.260 We will.

02:02:41.740 Can't wait to do it.

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The Matt Walsh Show - September 13, 2023

Daily Wire Backstage： America’s Identity Crisis

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