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00:01:04.300 We've got a lot. Man, do we have a lot to talk about tonight.

00:01:07.220 We've obviously got to talk about Barbie, the most important issue.

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00:01:28.480 Then we can get into all the really juicy stuff.

00:01:30.460 We have some breaking news right now.

00:01:32.200 The breaking news, of course, is that Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

00:01:39.380 The man has not bitten the dog.

00:01:42.340 It's Groundhog Day again.

00:01:44.260 And Donald Trump has been indicted a few more times, I guess, for something.

00:01:50.260 I don't know. He put too much mayonnaise on his sandwich.

00:01:52.580 He's indicted for that.

00:01:53.240 Littering. Littering.

00:01:53.900 Has anybody read the latest indictment?

00:01:56.180 This just happened.

00:01:57.400 Mr. Shapiro, what is it this time?

00:02:00.000 So this is the January 6th indictment.

00:02:01.980 The long-awaited January 6th indictment.

00:02:03.900 They're charging him on four counts.

00:02:06.560 These are real stretches.

00:02:08.020 I mean, on the legal basis, these are very, very large legal stretches.

00:02:12.920 They're charging him on a conspiracy to defraud the government.

00:02:16.640 Typically, that means financially defrauding the government.

00:02:18.460 Like, if you try to steal money from the federal government,

00:02:20.240 they're claiming that that extends to trying to affect election processes,

00:02:24.720 which is a real stretch and going to be very difficult to fulfill by the elements of the law.

00:02:28.180 They're charging him with obstruction of justice,

00:02:30.120 suggesting that he tried to interfere with an official government proceeding.

00:02:32.680 Again, that's going to be a bit of a stretch because it's going to be hard to show

00:02:36.040 that he actively attempted to overthrow the election

00:02:39.760 rather than exercising his free speech rights in pursuit of a specious legal theory.

00:02:43.500 That's going to be the defense.

00:02:44.300 The defense is going to be,

00:02:45.500 I honestly thought that this legal theory might be good,

00:02:47.540 and I'm allowed to pursue that because this is still America,

00:02:49.580 and you don't get to prosecute me for that.

00:02:51.620 He's being charged also with civil rights violations.

00:02:54.880 The idea here is that he is attempting to essentially have votes thrown out.

00:03:00.780 So usually this charge is brought when you literally stuff a ballot box

00:03:04.120 or you take a box of ballots and you throw them in the river

00:03:06.660 or dead people vote in 1960 and make John F. Kennedy president.

00:03:09.260 You put them in a locker in Michigan.

00:03:10.840 Yeah.

00:03:11.040 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:11.700 Well, you do those sorts of things.

00:03:12.800 That's where this is charged.

00:03:14.000 Usually doesn't apply there.

00:03:15.260 And then there's a fourth charge that is, again, related to the idea

00:03:18.440 that he put together false slates of electors and then attempted to submit that.

00:03:22.800 The difficulty in proving any of these cases is multifold.

00:03:26.600 The first one is that as an element of the case,

00:03:28.640 and virtually all of these things is intent,

00:03:30.340 you have to prove somehow that Donald Trump knew for a fact that he had lost the election,

00:03:34.000 and thus all subsequent efforts were not dedicated toward attempting

00:03:37.620 to preserve his purported election victory,

00:03:40.600 but actively were an attempt to subvert a thing that he knew was not true.

00:03:43.520 Well, as I've said, the problem with Trump is that trying to establish intent crimes

00:03:47.380 with Trump is incredibly difficult because Donald Trump actually believes the thing

00:03:50.900 that he is saying at any given moment.

00:03:52.080 So it is quite plausible that that night he thought he had lost,

00:03:54.260 and by the next morning he thought that he had won.

00:03:55.920 That sort of thing is not unusual with Trump ever.

00:03:58.160 I mean, we all know this.

00:03:59.520 We've seen him switch in real time his positions and believe it both times.

00:04:02.800 So intent crimes are very, very difficult to charge with Donald Trump.

00:04:06.020 Again, the charges in law are a large-scale stretch.

00:04:09.360 January 6th gets mentioned multiple times here.

00:04:11.160 But, again, the defense there is going to be,

00:04:13.900 I didn't tell people to invade the Capitol building.

00:04:15.520 I told them to peacefully protest at the Capitol building.

00:04:18.080 You may be angry at me that I didn't tell them to get out,

00:04:20.260 but I didn't make them go in in the first place.

00:04:22.900 So that doesn't actually count as a conspiracy.

00:04:24.500 You've shown no actual proof that I told the Oath Keepers to go in

00:04:27.360 and attempt to overthrow the election.

00:04:29.580 You can blame me for being inflammatory,

00:04:32.260 but inflammatory is not prosecutable.

00:04:34.100 So that's going to be his defense.

00:04:35.980 And, again, I believe this thing is being charged in front of a federal judge

00:04:40.380 appointed by Barack Obama,

00:04:41.720 which means presumably a very unfriendly federal judge.

00:04:44.300 I'm not sure which district this is being charged in, actually.

00:04:47.480 I have to look that up real fast.

00:04:49.700 It looks like it is being charged in D.C.

00:04:52.140 So, obviously, that means that he's at a real disadvantage in this case

00:04:55.240 because a D.C. jury is going to be a lot less friendly to him

00:04:57.320 than, say, a Florida jury would be.

00:04:59.260 And that's basically what I assume Jack Smith is counting on here.

00:05:01.840 So then the question becomes how long the trial actually takes.

00:05:04.240 When does the trial actually begin?

00:05:05.680 He's going to be able to make the case,

00:05:06.720 and I think it's a pretty solid case,

00:05:08.000 but it should be delayed until after the election.

00:05:09.420 The reason that he's going to be able to say that

00:05:10.720 is he's going to say,

00:05:11.520 listen, I have at least two major ongoing legal cases.

00:05:14.280 I have the Manhattan DA's case, right,

00:05:15.600 which is, again, that one is complete BS.

00:05:17.540 And then I also have the classified documents case

00:05:20.160 being charged by Jack Smith down in Florida,

00:05:22.420 and I'm probably going to get indicted in Georgia.

00:05:24.200 And how do you expect me to simultaneously perform four defenses

00:05:27.100 in the space of 12 months?

00:05:28.840 You can't.

00:05:29.340 So really what you should do is you should delay this trial

00:05:31.420 until after the election.

00:05:32.760 We already know that the Florida trial is likely to begin

00:05:35.040 sometime in the middle of next year,

00:05:36.240 right in the middle of the election cycle.

00:05:37.740 I think the date was set for May 20th.

00:05:39.260 I think that's right.

00:05:39.900 So that means that you'll probably get a verdict in that trial

00:05:42.380 pretty quickly.

00:05:44.080 I would imagine that that case is, to me,

00:05:46.620 that's the most dangerous case to Trump.

00:05:47.800 Of the indictments that have come down so far,

00:05:49.600 clearly the classified documents one

00:05:51.000 is the most dangerous case to Trump on a legal level.

00:05:53.140 Even though it's happening in Florida,

00:05:54.260 which is red state,

00:05:55.080 and it's a Trump judge who's presiding over it.

00:05:57.520 Yes, but the Trump judge is still a judge.

00:05:59.560 He had the documents, right.

00:06:01.100 Right, exactly.

00:06:01.720 I mean, the biggest problem for Trump

00:06:02.880 is if you're going to do the criming,

00:06:03.880 don't do the criming on tape, right?

00:06:05.440 Like, that's the first rule of criming.

00:06:07.100 Don't do crime on tape.

00:06:07.960 It's just, you know, as your lawyer, folks,

00:06:10.160 don't do the crime on the tape.

00:06:11.600 It's just a bad idea.

00:06:12.640 So that's the big problem for Trump.

00:06:15.220 He's going to make the case essentially to the jury

00:06:17.000 in that case for jury nullification.

00:06:18.460 He's going to say,

00:06:19.080 this shouldn't have been charged,

00:06:20.080 not because I didn't do it.

00:06:21.280 It shouldn't be charged

00:06:21.860 because I wasn't risking national security

00:06:23.320 and because they didn't charge Hillary Clinton.

00:06:24.660 And it's unfair that Hillary gets to skate

00:06:26.520 and I'm going to get charged for all of this.

00:06:28.320 And it's obviously political.

00:06:29.140 They're trying to stop me in the middle of an election cycle.

00:06:31.120 So that's kind of where things stand,

00:06:33.120 legally speaking, right now.

00:06:34.900 Where do you rank?

00:06:35.680 So the D.C. indictment,

00:06:37.160 out of all Trump's 500 indictments

00:06:40.240 and coming indictments,

00:06:41.860 in terms of risk to him,

00:06:43.260 where do you rank the D.C. indictment?

00:06:44.580 I would rank this one at number two.

00:06:47.720 I think the Florida's the riskiest one

00:06:49.020 because I think the New York one

00:06:50.720 is not particularly risky.

00:06:51.580 I think even a New York jury

00:06:52.540 is going to have a real tough time

00:06:53.820 finding Donald Trump in violation

00:06:55.320 of a state campaign finance law

00:06:57.760 that's connected to a federal campaign

00:06:59.080 and finance law

00:06:59.780 that's connected to a payoff

00:07:00.680 he made to Stormy Daniels in 2015.

00:07:02.180 Which would effectively be

00:07:03.460 an in-kind contribution

00:07:05.240 to his own campaign.

00:07:06.920 Yes.

00:07:07.200 I mean, again,

00:07:07.720 I think that one's real tough.

00:07:08.900 So I think that one's super weak.

00:07:10.460 I think that the Georgia case

00:07:12.100 is going to be about as strong

00:07:13.540 as the D.C. case

00:07:14.420 because it's a very similar case.

00:07:15.940 It's going to be basically

00:07:16.640 very similar charges,

00:07:17.540 but on a state level

00:07:18.500 with regard to him

00:07:19.260 pressuring Brad Raffensperger

00:07:20.420 to supposedly shift votes,

00:07:22.640 although his defense

00:07:23.620 is going to be in that case.

00:07:24.740 I wasn't telling him to shift votes.

00:07:25.820 I was saying,

00:07:26.320 I know that there's fraud.

00:07:27.220 All I need

00:07:27.800 is this number of votes to win.

00:07:29.460 I certainly know

00:07:30.020 there's been more fraud than that.

00:07:31.000 So you're telling me

00:07:31.460 you can't find that number of votes

00:07:32.580 that are fraudulent?

00:07:33.240 Right?

00:07:33.400 That's what he's going to say.

00:07:34.920 So that seems to me

00:07:35.760 like a fairly solid defense, actually,

00:07:37.460 because again,

00:07:37.720 it goes to intent.

00:07:39.020 It's also in Georgia.

00:07:39.940 It depends where in Georgia

00:07:40.940 it's held.

00:07:41.520 If it's held in Fulton County,

00:07:42.340 it looks a lot like D.C.

00:07:43.180 So those kind of tie for a second.

00:07:44.680 Again, I think the most dangerous

00:07:45.440 indictment for him

00:07:46.180 remains the classified documents case

00:07:47.700 because to me,

00:07:48.460 on an evidentiary level,

00:07:49.560 this is just putting

00:07:49.960 on my lawyer hat,

00:07:50.840 on an evidentiary level,

00:07:52.380 they almost have him

00:07:53.120 dead to rights on that one.

00:07:53.940 I mean, he literally said

00:07:55.560 on tape,

00:07:56.280 here is a classified document.

00:07:58.120 I could have declassified it

00:07:59.320 and I didn't declassify it.

00:08:00.700 Would you like to see

00:08:01.460 this document right now?

00:08:03.300 It's only,

00:08:03.760 it's always with Trump

00:08:04.560 the fact that they didn't do this.

00:08:06.040 Hillary Clinton did

00:08:06.700 virtually the same thing,

00:08:08.420 didn't have the right

00:08:09.520 of a president

00:08:10.040 to declassify the documents

00:08:11.420 and they didn't prosecute her

00:08:12.820 and said she was,

00:08:13.840 it wasn't intentional

00:08:15.000 when she actually

00:08:15.920 bleach bit her phone.

00:08:17.020 Right, and that's going

00:08:17.740 to be his defense.

00:08:18.380 That's going to be a defense.

00:08:19.040 His defense is going to be

00:08:20.000 that you didn't,

00:08:20.900 the reason you didn't go

00:08:21.500 after Hillary

00:08:21.840 is because you said

00:08:22.360 she didn't intend

00:08:22.920 to disseminate the documents

00:08:23.880 to foreign powers essentially.

00:08:25.220 There is no proof

00:08:25.960 or even implication

00:08:26.640 that I intend to disseminate

00:08:27.720 these documents

00:08:28.160 to foreign powers.

00:08:29.040 The most obvious explanation,

00:08:30.140 as I said,

00:08:30.520 literally the day

00:08:31.340 that this news broke

00:08:32.080 is that Donald Trump

00:08:33.060 likes things

00:08:33.600 and he decides to keep them.

00:08:35.140 Any attempt to complicate

00:08:36.660 Donald Trump

00:08:37.080 is always an exercise

00:08:38.380 in tomfoolery.

00:08:39.740 Whether it's intellectualizing

00:08:41.080 Trumpism as a coherent philosophy

00:08:43.680 or whether it's attempting

00:08:44.780 to determine

00:08:45.300 why the man kept

00:08:45.920 a box of documents

00:08:46.680 he should have given back

00:08:47.320 to the National Archives,

00:08:49.020 Occam's razor

00:08:49.540 always applied with Donald Trump.

00:08:50.580 The most simple explanation

00:08:51.860 is always true.

00:08:53.100 Donald Trump likes things

00:08:54.060 and so he keeps them.

00:08:55.120 The man literally kept

00:08:55.800 Israeli antiquities

00:08:56.640 just because he likes them.

00:08:58.220 His entire power

00:08:59.080 comes from the fact

00:08:59.860 that he is treated differently.

00:09:01.360 Like,

00:09:01.540 I would have had no objection

00:09:02.720 to the press

00:09:03.320 treating him

00:09:03.960 as badly as they did

00:09:05.360 if they also treated

00:09:06.300 Democrats the same way.

00:09:07.800 That's the way

00:09:08.340 I want them to treat

00:09:08.980 people in power.

00:09:09.660 The original sin

00:09:10.200 with regard to this case

00:09:11.060 is that Hillary Clinton

00:09:11.660 was not prosecuted.

00:09:12.800 Which, by the way,

00:09:13.260 is the reason Donald Trump

00:09:13.980 is being prosecuted.

00:09:14.920 Because he literally said

00:09:16.140 to his lawyers,

00:09:16.760 remember that thing Hillary

00:09:17.460 did over there?

00:09:18.080 Can you do that for me?

00:09:19.760 Which means that

00:09:20.200 if Hillary had been prosecuted

00:09:21.000 you know he wouldn't

00:09:21.540 have said that.

00:09:22.500 Right.

00:09:22.740 Right, so again.

00:09:23.660 And isn't there just

00:09:24.280 at a higher political level

00:09:26.040 getting out of the legal

00:09:26.980 minutiae here,

00:09:28.280 we, as a tradition in America,

00:09:30.640 don't imprison

00:09:31.480 former presidents

00:09:32.240 and we don't imprison

00:09:33.260 the leader of the opposition.

00:09:34.760 And regardless of,

00:09:36.360 okay,

00:09:36.520 he technically violated

00:09:37.580 the statute

00:09:38.160 with a documents case

00:09:39.060 or whatever.

00:09:39.560 You're making me

00:09:39.980 nostalgic.

00:09:40.720 I know.

00:09:41.300 I mean,

00:09:41.480 nostalgic for five years ago.

00:09:43.120 Isn't there just something

00:09:44.520 really banana republic-y

00:09:46.280 about arresting

00:09:47.460 the leader of the opposition?

00:09:48.140 This, by the way,

00:09:48.800 also is a case

00:09:50.300 that if Trump

00:09:50.800 were more articulate

00:09:51.700 he should be making.

00:09:52.820 We now know

00:09:53.640 because of the collapse

00:09:55.500 of Hunter Biden's

00:09:56.260 sweetheart deal,

00:09:57.060 we know the DOJ is corrupt.

00:09:58.500 Right.

00:09:58.680 We know it is corrupt

00:09:59.520 at their highest levels.

00:10:00.580 We saw it in court

00:10:01.640 where the guy

00:10:02.180 could not defend,

00:10:03.880 was obviously trying

00:10:04.740 to put something

00:10:05.220 past a judge

00:10:05.860 if they'd gotten

00:10:06.340 a friendly judge.

00:10:07.240 She might have overlooked it

00:10:08.180 but in fact she saw

00:10:09.180 that it was being put past her.

00:10:11.120 We know they're corrupt now.

00:10:12.320 And I think that that's

00:10:13.700 a case that I would be making

00:10:15.700 on the stand.

00:10:16.220 Well, he is going

00:10:17.120 to be making that case

00:10:17.780 and that is going

00:10:18.400 to be his strongest case.

00:10:19.100 If he can enunciate it.

00:10:20.060 The thing that is going

00:10:21.560 to Trump's benefit

00:10:22.400 is the fact

00:10:23.640 that the Biden DOJ

00:10:25.020 is so obviously

00:10:26.000 and clearly corrupt.

00:10:27.040 I mean,

00:10:27.400 the Biden sweetheart deal,

00:10:29.520 for folks who didn't watch

00:10:30.440 what actually happened here,

00:10:31.660 there's a pretty simple way

00:10:32.840 to understand this.

00:10:34.360 Hunter Biden was charged

00:10:35.240 with two sets of crimes.

00:10:36.260 One was financial crimes,

00:10:37.640 tax fraud.

00:10:38.300 The other,

00:10:39.140 and he pled guilty

00:10:39.940 to misdemeanors.

00:10:40.800 And the other

00:10:41.460 was the gun charge.

00:10:42.640 In the financial crimes,

00:10:44.120 there was nothing in there

00:10:44.920 that said we waive

00:10:45.520 all future charges

00:10:46.280 on financial crimes.

00:10:47.300 Nothing like that.

00:10:48.280 It said nothing about that.

00:10:49.760 In the gun crime case,

00:10:51.580 which ended up being diverted,

00:10:53.660 he ended up saying no charges,

00:10:54.980 you get to go to drug rehab

00:10:55.980 or whatever.

00:10:56.520 It said in there,

00:10:57.860 in exchange for this,

00:10:59.180 anything that's mentioned

00:10:59.940 in the financial crimes case,

00:11:01.460 we will now waive.

00:11:02.760 And so it was clear

00:11:03.440 that the DOJ

00:11:04.240 was attempting

00:11:04.740 to waive the crimes

00:11:05.540 that foreign agents

00:11:07.240 all of the crimes,

00:11:08.520 everything.

00:11:09.060 And so the defense

00:11:09.520 thought that was the case,

00:11:10.280 which is why they were

00:11:10.780 signing on to the plea deal

00:11:11.500 in the first place.

00:11:12.060 And the DOJ thought

00:11:12.900 that was the case,

00:11:13.420 but they didn't want the judge

00:11:14.120 to know that was the case

00:11:14.720 because it's so obviously corrupt.

00:11:15.820 It gets in front of the judge.

00:11:16.820 The judge looks at this

00:11:17.480 and says,

00:11:17.780 hold up.

00:11:18.280 So it's not in the charging document

00:11:19.720 that you're actually giving me

00:11:20.640 that you want me to sign off on.

00:11:21.820 It's in this other document

00:11:22.500 I have no actual jurisdiction over.

00:11:24.680 And I'm supposed to apply

00:11:25.200 that document to this.

00:11:25.920 You're clearly attempting

00:11:26.900 to lie to the American people

00:11:28.980 by putting the sweetheart deal

00:11:30.740 in a document

00:11:31.240 that is not available publicly.

00:11:32.600 At that point,

00:11:33.300 the DOJ was so embarrassed

00:11:34.520 by the public disclosure of this

00:11:36.300 that they immediately say,

00:11:37.200 no, no, no,

00:11:37.460 we didn't mean that at all.

00:11:38.600 None of this is real.

00:11:39.420 And Hunter Biden's attorney goes,

00:11:40.520 wait, if it's not real,

00:11:41.120 we have no deal.

00:11:41.700 And the whole thing blows up, right?

00:11:42.920 So what happened here

00:11:44.340 is a pretty textbook case

00:11:46.160 of the DOJ

00:11:47.100 at Merrick Garland's direction,

00:11:48.520 because that's how this happens,

00:11:49.580 which means at Joe Biden's direction,

00:11:51.220 attempting to let Hunter Biden

00:11:52.500 off the hook

00:11:53.240 for a wide variety of crimes,

00:11:54.680 which, again,

00:11:55.700 that is getting worse for Joe Biden.

00:11:57.400 I mean, all that,

00:11:58.160 the Hunter Biden stuff

00:11:58.800 is going to get worse.

00:11:59.540 It's, it's, it's.

00:12:00.460 So, so let's say

00:12:01.320 they put Trump in prison.

00:12:02.540 Let's say one of the 7,000 indictments

00:12:04.100 actually sticks.

00:12:05.480 Worth remembering,

00:12:07.020 we have had people run for president

00:12:08.820 from prison before.

00:12:10.180 Eugene Debs got 8% of the vote.

00:12:12.140 He was a socialist,

00:12:13.400 so very much out of the mainstream

00:12:15.120 of the American political tradition.

00:12:16.640 He still got 8% of the vote

00:12:17.780 when he was sitting in the can.

00:12:19.960 As far as I know,

00:12:21.220 there's no extra special rule

00:12:22.800 and restriction

00:12:23.340 on how you can run for president.

00:12:24.640 The Constitution lays it out.

00:12:26.200 Even if the guy's wearing

00:12:27.040 an orange jumpsuit,

00:12:28.140 Donald Trump could run

00:12:29.020 for president from prison.

00:12:30.320 He could win the presidency

00:12:31.400 from prison,

00:12:32.260 and it would probably help him

00:12:33.400 if he's sitting there.

00:12:34.460 I think, I think it would help him,

00:12:36.020 but I, I actually think

00:12:37.080 he would get the exact

00:12:37.960 same amount of votes.

00:12:39.180 I think at this point,

00:12:40.680 they, they are,

00:12:41.600 they're playing a psyop on us.

00:12:43.300 The Democrats are actually

00:12:44.280 playing a psyop,

00:12:45.080 which is that they know

00:12:45.980 the more they persecute him,

00:12:47.260 the more his base will stick.

00:12:48.940 And, and the less popular

00:12:51.240 he will be among independents

00:12:52.880 and the people

00:12:53.280 who actually decide the election.

00:12:54.660 I mean, I, I totally agree

00:12:55.680 with that, Matt.

00:12:56.100 I also think that nothing,

00:12:58.840 we now live in the era

00:12:59.820 of nothing matters.

00:13:00.640 And truly nothing matters

00:13:01.900 except for the turnout numbers

00:13:02.920 in 2024.

00:13:03.740 That's the entire game here,

00:13:05.220 right?

00:13:05.340 If Biden gets low turnout,

00:13:06.340 Trump could win

00:13:06.780 even under those circumstances.

00:13:07.740 Well, you know,

00:13:08.080 I've long said, Ben,

00:13:09.240 and I learned this

00:13:10.160 from Mitch Daniels,

00:13:11.080 former governor of Indiana.

00:13:12.260 There are two ways

00:13:12.780 to beat the left.

00:13:13.680 You can either out argue them

00:13:15.080 or you can out breed them.

00:13:16.760 And when you want to talk

00:13:17.680 about the next generation

00:13:18.500 of Americans,

00:13:18.980 this is real

00:13:19.700 and happening now, folks.

00:13:22.140 The pro-life movement

00:13:23.280 is scoring all sorts

00:13:24.180 of victories.

00:13:25.060 But did you know

00:13:25.500 the abortion pill

00:13:26.140 accounts for over half

00:13:27.220 of the abortions

00:13:27.840 committed in this country?

00:13:29.120 More than 1,000 pre-born children

00:13:31.060 die at the hand

00:13:32.500 of this poison

00:13:33.180 every single day.

00:13:34.200 Pre-born is the organization

00:13:35.680 providing a solution

00:13:36.700 to that devastating situation.

00:13:38.940 Women are being fed

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00:13:40.580 and led to believe

00:13:41.700 that it's an easy

00:13:42.500 and safe way

00:13:43.360 to terminate

00:13:44.560 an unwanted pregnancy

00:13:45.740 or whatever euphemisms

00:13:46.580 they use.

00:13:47.320 But they are not being told

00:13:48.780 the truth

00:13:49.520 about the harmful side effects

00:13:50.860 and, of course,

00:13:51.640 the emotional trauma

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00:13:53.480 This is a heartbreaking reality

00:13:54.900 that needs to be addressed.

00:13:56.540 Pre-born network clinics

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00:13:59.380 offering love, hope,

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00:14:35.880 And we're talking

00:14:36.560 about the babies

00:14:37.300 and the sweet babies

00:14:38.180 and the daddy

00:14:38.720 and everything.

00:14:39.240 I know we have to get to this

00:14:40.140 because it's here

00:14:40.560 on my schedule.

00:14:41.180 And I'm just,

00:14:42.000 actually,

00:14:42.280 before we get to this,

00:14:43.040 I'm going to take my phone

00:14:43.820 out right now.

00:14:44.660 And I'm going to set a timer.

00:14:45.960 I'm going to set a timer.

00:14:46.840 Let's do it.

00:14:47.360 I don't,

00:14:48.000 I can't,

00:14:48.900 I'm going to set a timer

00:14:50.360 for six minutes.

00:14:51.980 Oh,

00:14:52.240 I was hoping,

00:14:52.760 more like 90 seconds.

00:14:54.380 Here we go.

00:14:55.200 This is,

00:14:55.700 I'm being very generous

00:14:56.800 here with the timer.

00:14:57.360 16,

00:14:57.540 add a one to that.

00:14:58.540 Because,

00:14:59.300 because,

00:15:01.020 this stupid nonsense,

00:15:02.640 forget about the indictments,

00:15:03.480 the stupid nonsense

00:15:04.420 going on at Capitol Hill

00:15:05.960 with the UFO hearings

00:15:08.380 and the friend of a friend

00:15:10.200 of somebody's cousin

00:15:11.180 saw a little glimmer

00:15:12.400 of light in the sky.

00:15:13.360 Oh,

00:15:13.460 you mean the historic hearings

00:15:14.480 that I've never had?

00:15:14.740 Okay,

00:15:15.060 I'm clicking start.

00:15:16.100 Here we go.

00:15:16.780 Six minutes.

00:15:18.680 Matt,

00:15:19.020 do you have any thoughts?

00:15:20.640 I have more thoughts

00:15:21.900 than can fit in

00:15:22.280 in six minutes.

00:15:22.840 I feel like I'm

00:15:23.160 at a disadvantage here.

00:15:24.700 I think the main point,

00:15:26.220 first of all,

00:15:26.680 as I've tried to explain

00:15:27.420 to Ben when I destroyed him

00:15:28.360 in this debate

00:15:29.080 a couple days ago,

00:15:31.000 is that if you go into this

00:15:32.620 already having decided

00:15:33.980 as at least two of the people

00:15:35.180 in this room have

00:15:35.620 that you're not willing

00:15:36.640 to listen to the evidence

00:15:37.400 and no evidence

00:15:37.880 could possibly convince you

00:15:38.740 because you are committed

00:15:40.840 ahead of time

00:15:41.480 to the proposition

00:15:42.160 that aliens have never visited

00:15:43.300 or that they don't even exist.

00:15:45.140 They don't exist.

00:15:45.700 Which is Michael's absurd idea.

00:15:47.260 Then,

00:15:47.640 of course,

00:15:47.860 you're not going to be convinced

00:15:48.340 by this.

00:15:48.740 But,

00:15:49.200 if you are open-minded

00:15:50.460 as I am

00:15:51.980 and I think I'm...

00:15:52.640 On all things.

00:15:53.480 I'm very known

00:15:54.320 to be open-minded.

00:15:55.300 Absolutely.

00:15:56.040 Then I think you listen

00:15:57.820 and what do we have?

00:15:58.940 We have dot,

00:16:00.380 we have documentation,

00:16:01.380 we have photographs,

00:16:02.180 we have video

00:16:02.720 of these crafts in the sky.

00:16:04.760 A little blurry.

00:16:05.300 We have expert eyewitness testimony.

00:16:08.060 I don't just mean

00:16:08.640 the people that are

00:16:09.200 testifying in Congress.

00:16:10.040 I mean Navy pilots

00:16:11.320 who are actual experts.

00:16:13.320 Okay,

00:16:13.520 I'll tell you what,

00:16:13.880 I'll buttress your

00:16:14.780 ridiculous point of view.

00:16:17.140 Nancy Mace

00:16:17.780 and other Republicans

00:16:18.520 were interviewing

00:16:18.960 some of these people

00:16:19.500 who say that they have

00:16:20.980 first-hand knowledge

00:16:22.320 of these vehicles crashing

00:16:25.640 and even potential life forms

00:16:28.040 being found on it.

00:16:29.200 Take it away.

00:16:30.380 If you believe

00:16:31.940 we have crashed craft,

00:16:33.680 stated earlier,

00:16:34.820 do we have the bodies

00:16:35.700 of the pilots

00:16:36.400 who piloted this craft?

00:16:38.620 As I've stated publicly already

00:16:40.120 in my News Nation interview,

00:16:41.640 biologics came

00:16:42.680 with some of these recoveries.

00:16:44.180 Yeah.

00:16:46.780 Were they, I guess,

00:16:47.980 human or non-human biologics?

00:16:50.720 Non-human,

00:16:51.460 and that was the assessment

00:16:52.300 of people with direct knowledge

00:16:53.900 on the program I talked to

00:16:54.840 that are currently

00:16:55.400 still on the program.

00:16:56.840 Non-human?

00:16:57.400 What, you think they're raccoons?

00:16:58.660 Can I ask you about a word?

00:17:00.540 I pay attention to little words.

00:17:02.720 Have you ever heard

00:17:03.420 the word biologics

00:17:05.320 before in your life?

00:17:07.000 I've maybe heard it

00:17:07.780 in the context of medicine.

00:17:09.040 Occasionally,

00:17:09.460 it's a very precise word.

00:17:12.140 He's not saying

00:17:12.680 we pulled ET out of the craft.

00:17:14.500 What is a non-human biologic?

00:17:15.780 I don't know,

00:17:16.080 like an ant crawled into the...

00:17:17.340 It's so vague all the time.

00:17:19.860 Also, he hasn't seen anything.

00:17:21.960 He hasn't.

00:17:22.500 This guy has...

00:17:23.080 No, it's always like

00:17:24.100 my cousin's friend's buddy's nephew.

00:17:26.340 But this is...

00:17:26.840 No, hold on a second.

00:17:27.580 This is a guy...

00:17:28.540 This is what he does.

00:17:29.780 He's on...

00:17:31.140 You know, he's...

00:17:32.000 He works with the government.

00:17:32.960 He hasn't personally seen it.

00:17:35.480 He doesn't have to personally see all of it.

00:17:36.960 He's talked to people that have.

00:17:38.200 So, if that's all that we had,

00:17:40.020 then I would agree

00:17:40.820 that that's not very compelling.

00:17:41.740 But when you add...

00:17:42.500 So, we're just adding evidence

00:17:44.080 on top of evidence.

00:17:45.140 So, here's my question to...

00:17:47.440 You're anti-alien too, aren't you?

00:17:49.000 No, no.

00:17:49.540 No, no.

00:17:49.800 Oh, you're not?

00:17:50.040 Okay, good.

00:17:50.420 But I don't believe they're here,

00:17:52.220 but I believe they're...

00:17:52.800 Okay, well, then you're wrong also.

00:17:54.300 So, what we know

00:17:56.320 that there are these crafts in the sky

00:17:58.420 that are doing things

00:17:59.400 that defy the laws of physics.

00:18:00.840 We understand them.

00:18:01.500 We've seen them.

00:18:02.660 Okay, we can see the video.

00:18:05.040 What are they?

00:18:06.300 Okay, so...

00:18:07.720 Excellent question, Matt,

00:18:08.640 and I'm so glad you asked.

00:18:09.700 So, two points.

00:18:10.740 One, if evidence were presented

00:18:13.220 that were overwhelming in nature,

00:18:15.860 I would shift my opinion.

00:18:16.720 But these are outstanding allegations

00:18:18.800 that require outstanding evidence.

00:18:20.880 Okay?

00:18:21.360 Not all claims require equivalent evidence.

00:18:24.220 If I claim that I'm going to drink

00:18:25.220 from this cup of water,

00:18:26.000 the amount of evidence that it requires

00:18:27.180 to prove that claim is very small.

00:18:29.220 I would just have to drink

00:18:29.820 from this cup of water.

00:18:30.540 If I were to claim

00:18:31.260 that there is a massive dragon

00:18:33.220 just outside the door right here

00:18:35.120 who's about to eat you,

00:18:37.360 I would presumably have to now

00:18:38.580 provide you actual physical evidence

00:18:40.940 that that is a thing.

00:18:41.480 Because that's a pretty large-scale claim.

00:18:42.860 And we have the dragon, Ben.

00:18:43.980 We have the dragon.

00:18:44.700 Okay, so, aside from your claim

00:18:46.760 that we have the dragon,

00:18:48.120 aside from that,

00:18:49.180 the actual...

00:18:51.280 Let me ask you this.

00:18:52.380 Do you think that things...

00:18:53.300 You haven't answered the question.

00:18:54.080 Well, no, no.

00:18:54.580 So, in order for me

00:18:55.780 to answer the question,

00:18:56.340 I have to, as all Jews would,

00:18:57.740 ask a question, okay?

00:18:59.020 Which is,

00:18:59.660 do you think that there are things

00:19:01.100 that defy the laws of physics

00:19:02.420 in the physical universe?

00:19:04.180 Because that is the phraseology

00:19:05.160 you just used.

00:19:05.540 Well, I said that.

00:19:06.120 You just began by suggesting

00:19:07.500 that people have observed

00:19:08.540 craft in the sky

00:19:09.300 that seem to violate

00:19:10.320 the laws of physics.

00:19:11.280 So, let me ask you,

00:19:12.000 do you believe in the laws of physics?

00:19:13.380 Because if you actually believe

00:19:14.500 in the laws of physics,

00:19:15.520 that might suggest

00:19:16.080 that you now have two choices.

00:19:17.080 One, you have to believe

00:19:18.020 that somehow these alien spacecraft

00:19:19.460 defy those laws of physics,

00:19:20.700 which are irrevocable

00:19:21.760 and non-changeable.

00:19:22.900 Or two...

00:19:23.140 Or miraculous.

00:19:23.960 Or two,

00:19:24.740 that there has been some form

00:19:25.780 of optical illusion

00:19:26.960 or radar malfunction.

00:19:28.340 No, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:19:29.120 I said as a morally spiritual being.

00:19:31.600 We could be incorrect

00:19:32.660 about the laws of physics.

00:19:33.100 Yeah, that's why I said

00:19:33.980 as we understand them.

00:19:35.180 Right.

00:19:36.340 So, that's the qualifier.

00:19:37.740 The things that we would have

00:19:38.160 to be wrong about

00:19:38.820 in terms of the laws of physics

00:19:39.920 are things like

00:19:41.100 apparently the ionization

00:19:42.360 of the atmosphere

00:19:43.180 in the wake of objects

00:19:44.260 that are moving.

00:19:44.580 So, what we have...

00:19:45.460 These are fairly basic

00:19:46.780 physical principles.

00:19:47.720 We have physical objects

00:19:49.620 in the sky

00:19:50.000 that are flying

00:19:50.560 at high rates of speed

00:19:52.060 stop on a dime

00:19:53.580 and then go up or go down.

00:19:55.340 So, we don't know...

00:19:56.860 We would have no idea

00:19:57.640 how to create something

00:19:58.320 that can do that.

00:20:00.200 So, this is...

00:20:01.360 Someone has possession...

00:20:02.580 They're here to do that

00:20:03.060 on radar

00:20:03.520 or at very large distances.

00:20:05.340 that scientists have suggested

00:20:06.480 also could be...

00:20:07.780 And again, these are could-bes.

00:20:08.660 Okay, so let's stack up

00:20:09.880 these two possibilities.

00:20:10.720 One, these are alien spacecraft

00:20:12.740 that come from light years away

00:20:14.840 to Earth

00:20:15.840 to fly around,

00:20:17.840 be observed by radar,

00:20:18.780 and then leave.

00:20:20.180 Okay, that's it.

00:20:20.800 That's possibility number...

00:20:21.620 Possibility number two.

00:20:22.620 Who said they leave?

00:20:23.760 Oh, well, not be visible anymore.

00:20:26.060 Okay?

00:20:26.660 Or possibility number two.

00:20:28.500 Or possibility number two.

00:20:30.240 Optical illusion

00:20:31.040 or radar malfunction.

00:20:33.160 Which have you personally

00:20:34.120 experienced more times?

00:20:35.380 Optical illusion

00:20:36.060 and radar...

00:20:36.560 Like, when you look...

00:20:37.320 I've never experienced

00:20:38.140 radar malfunction.

00:20:38.900 I don't have a radar.

00:20:40.440 Check me.

00:20:41.080 Can I introduce some evidence

00:20:43.020 into this evidence list?

00:20:44.220 Do you think that...

00:20:44.760 When you look out

00:20:45.640 into the distance

00:20:46.060 on a real hot day,

00:20:46.760 you think it's a lake out there

00:20:47.720 or you think that maybe

00:20:48.440 that's actually just the heat rising?

00:20:49.660 Hold on a second.

00:20:50.280 It's a Martian lake.

00:20:51.620 They have radar

00:20:52.300 where they're locked in

00:20:53.420 on an object that's moving.

00:20:56.060 It does require

00:20:57.860 that they have to be able

00:20:58.600 to bend space-time,

00:21:00.440 fly from another galaxy,

00:21:02.200 arrive here,

00:21:02.680 and then their spark plugs jam

00:21:03.840 and they crash.

00:21:04.620 This is the thing...

00:21:05.340 This is the part

00:21:05.840 that loses me.

00:21:07.000 If they have the possibility

00:21:08.240 of violating what we think

00:21:10.240 of as the laws of physics

00:21:11.340 and then they come here

00:21:12.600 and then it's like,

00:21:13.480 putt, putt, putt,

00:21:13.960 oh, I'm out of gas.

00:21:14.880 You know, they just crash.

00:21:15.640 You have to remember

00:21:16.080 that the government

00:21:16.480 is good at things.

00:21:17.460 Thank you so much.

00:21:17.900 Oh, my God.

00:21:18.660 Thank you.

00:21:19.100 We haven't even begun.

00:21:21.340 I'd like to introduce

00:21:22.200 one piece of evidence here.

00:21:23.440 How do I stop this?

00:21:24.540 I'm kind of a Luddite.

00:21:25.100 Yeah, stop it.

00:21:25.700 Here's a piece of evidence.

00:21:27.180 And I've never introduced

00:21:28.280 this before.

00:21:28.840 You know my view is

00:21:29.940 that aliens are just

00:21:32.180 angels and demons

00:21:33.100 for libs who don't believe

00:21:34.600 in anything beyond

00:21:35.180 the material world.

00:21:35.760 That's crazy, too.

00:21:36.620 But here's my piece of evidence.

00:21:39.020 Alistair Crowley,

00:21:40.120 the most famous occultist

00:21:41.400 and Satanist.

00:21:43.120 A Satanist, yeah.

00:21:43.740 Satanist, he once

00:21:45.660 had a vision of a demon.

00:21:47.520 I'm sure he had

00:21:48.000 many visions of a demon.

00:21:48.960 But one time,

00:21:49.640 he sketched out the vision

00:21:50.600 that he had of a demon.

00:21:51.860 We don't have the graphic pulled,

00:21:53.160 and I, frankly,

00:21:53.800 don't even want to

00:21:54.360 have to look at it.

00:21:55.200 If you look at it,

00:21:55.900 it just looks like

00:21:57.220 people say aliens look.

00:21:58.480 It's just,

00:21:59.000 they're just demons, guys.

00:22:00.480 But I understand...

00:22:01.400 Flying around in spacecraft?

00:22:02.840 Yeah, well,

00:22:03.380 appearing to, yeah,

00:22:04.220 because they're pure spirit

00:22:05.140 and not bodies.

00:22:05.500 So what are the demons?

00:22:06.300 That's why we don't have

00:22:06.840 the bodies.

00:22:07.360 We have non-human biologics,

00:22:08.500 which is like a chicken sandwich

00:22:09.460 that some Navy pilot had

00:22:10.720 or some Chinese drone

00:22:11.840 or something.

00:22:12.160 Why are demons flying?

00:22:13.100 This is also one

00:22:14.000 of my favorite graphics.

00:22:14.760 I love it.

00:22:14.920 Yes, yes.

00:22:15.560 This one's great.

00:22:16.300 Reported UFO sightings.

00:22:17.640 Do you notice reported?

00:22:19.860 Right, no, no, no.

00:22:20.420 Reported, so this is what...

00:22:22.040 There's not a lot of reports

00:22:23.000 coming from China

00:22:23.720 because they're not

00:22:24.100 telling us about them.

00:22:25.000 What about Africa

00:22:25.680 or Latin America

00:22:26.460 or even Canada?

00:22:27.560 Who's going to report in Africa?

00:22:28.780 Or maybe it's a bunch

00:22:29.460 of crazy people in America

00:22:30.460 who have cell phones.

00:22:31.400 Yeah.

00:22:31.720 Maybe it's a bunch of crazy people

00:22:32.540 who are on social media all day.

00:22:33.440 So that's Western society,

00:22:37.380 modern technology,

00:22:38.680 lots of cell phones.

00:22:39.640 That's where you see

00:22:40.180 the sightings.

00:22:41.280 In places like China,

00:22:42.800 they're not going to report it.

00:22:43.640 They're smarter than that.

00:22:44.660 They're not going to tell us about it.

00:22:47.000 Africa, who's doing

00:22:48.060 the reporting in Africa?

00:22:48.940 Who's doing the reporting

00:22:49.680 in the savannah?

00:22:51.100 Maybe it turns out

00:22:51.780 that when people are not bored

00:22:52.940 and actually have to fight

00:22:53.860 to survive,

00:22:54.620 they don't get crap about

00:22:55.700 stupid optical illusions

00:22:56.760 in the sky.

00:22:57.440 There's also another question.

00:22:59.180 When they found

00:22:59.760 the slightest evidence

00:23:01.480 that there was possible life

00:23:02.840 on Mars in the 1980s,

00:23:05.020 they found the possibility

00:23:06.400 that there had once been...

00:23:07.640 It was on the front page

00:23:08.460 of the New York Post.

00:23:09.360 Why would they hide this?

00:23:10.560 Why is this a secret?

00:23:12.880 That's a very good question.

00:23:15.880 That's the question...

00:23:17.000 I would love for us

00:23:18.480 to be talking about

00:23:18.960 that question

00:23:19.580 so we could get past

00:23:20.460 this silly question

00:23:21.200 of whether they exist

00:23:21.840 in the first place.

00:23:22.100 Okay, fine.

00:23:22.380 So what's your theory?

00:23:24.100 Why they're hiding it?

00:23:24.880 Yeah.

00:23:25.400 Well, first of all,

00:23:26.380 right now,

00:23:27.220 it's...

00:23:27.720 They're actually admitting it.

00:23:30.700 So like now...

00:23:31.720 Now, yeah,

00:23:32.100 but why hide it up till now?

00:23:34.160 Are they good at hiding

00:23:34.880 things in the government?

00:23:35.620 Yeah.

00:23:36.160 Are they good at anything,

00:23:37.260 the government?

00:23:38.040 Like they're so good

00:23:38.740 that for 70 years,

00:23:39.680 they've been hiding

00:23:40.060 the greatest discovery

00:23:40.920 in the history of...

00:23:41.600 No, I think this actually works

00:23:42.580 exactly like you would

00:23:43.300 expect it to.

00:23:43.880 Like early on,

00:23:45.240 before the internet

00:23:46.280 and before everyone

00:23:47.080 had cell phones

00:23:47.620 and everything,

00:23:48.260 they could easily hide it

00:23:49.460 because they didn't

00:23:49.780 have to tell us.

00:23:50.600 You have some farmer

00:23:51.640 in Kansas,

00:23:52.120 as I saw a UFO,

00:23:53.360 it's easy for the government

00:23:54.000 to say,

00:23:54.200 oh, that guy's crazy.

00:23:55.160 But now there's so many

00:23:56.140 videos coming out

00:23:56.940 and you got Navy pilots

00:23:57.640 and all this stuff,

00:23:58.440 they have to say something

00:23:59.500 and so now I have

00:24:00.140 some whistleblowers

00:24:00.680 coming out.

00:24:01.120 It's kind of working

00:24:01.600 exactly as you would

00:24:02.360 expect it to.

00:24:03.200 It's working exactly

00:24:04.160 as you would expect it to.

00:24:04.240 Michael, I'm going

00:24:04.600 to hang myself.

00:24:05.280 Can we move on?

00:24:06.260 My only question,

00:24:07.260 look, I'd happily move on

00:24:08.300 except I don't know

00:24:09.440 who owns part of Daily Wire

00:24:11.200 right now because I always

00:24:12.300 assumed that you were

00:24:13.040 part owner of the company

00:24:13.900 and that these guys

00:24:14.920 were just hired help.

00:24:16.200 But then I learned today

00:24:17.760 on the Matt Walsh show

00:24:18.960 that in fact,

00:24:20.260 the turntables may have

00:24:21.580 turned or something.

00:24:26.760 Well, he's not my boss

00:24:28.560 anymore though

00:24:29.280 because I owned him.

00:24:30.840 Legally, he is now

00:24:32.420 my employee.

00:24:33.580 This is written into law.

00:24:35.180 A lot of people

00:24:35.420 don't know this,

00:24:36.560 but it's an actual thing.

00:24:38.600 If you own your boss

00:24:39.920 with a YouTube video,

00:24:42.420 then after that,

00:24:43.960 he actually becomes

00:24:44.680 your subordinate.

00:24:45.420 So it's a little-known

00:24:46.440 loophole in our labor laws.

00:24:49.640 But that's the situation.

00:24:52.940 That is a shocking

00:24:53.920 development to me.

00:24:56.200 And I urge you to try

00:24:57.220 to cash a check

00:24:57.900 under those pre-curses.

00:24:58.460 You may not teach you

00:24:59.460 that at Harvard Law.

00:25:00.360 Hang on a second.

00:25:01.160 There's a bit I have to do.

00:25:02.520 I was, Ben,

00:25:02.940 this is an Uno card.

00:25:05.580 So I was told offstage

00:25:08.860 that the kids

00:25:10.180 will understand that joke

00:25:11.120 and they'll relate to it.

00:25:12.060 I don't get that joke.

00:25:12.480 Even I understand that joke.

00:25:13.380 I don't know.

00:25:14.400 I had this whole conversation

00:25:15.360 about it.

00:25:16.080 And I was told the kids

00:25:16.980 will get it.

00:25:17.380 I am emotionally 12 years old.

00:25:18.680 I think we've all learned

00:25:19.300 something here today.

00:25:20.220 Yep.

00:25:20.820 Yeah.

00:25:21.220 Listen, while we're owning Ben,

00:25:24.000 I have...

00:25:25.640 Forget about the alien.

00:25:26.260 In violation of the 13th Amendment.

00:25:27.540 In violation...

00:25:27.960 I have to...

00:25:30.420 I, in preparation

00:25:31.220 for this show tonight,

00:25:32.540 I know you hate Barbie.

00:25:34.440 I know that you hate Barbie

00:25:35.500 so much and it became

00:25:36.140 so much of a part...

00:25:36.380 I swear to God,

00:25:36.760 if you defend Barbie,

00:25:37.520 I'm going to come across

00:25:38.540 the table.

00:25:38.960 I'm not doing...

00:25:39.740 Listen, I went into it

00:25:40.860 wanting to like Barbie

00:25:42.020 because I did want to

00:25:43.240 disagree with you

00:25:43.740 and I assumed you would.

00:25:44.520 But I kept an open mind

00:25:45.660 and I thought,

00:25:46.040 look, I'm not going to do it

00:25:46.900 just to...

00:25:47.740 I, sincerely,

00:25:52.060 I think it's...

00:25:52.940 I think it's terrific.

00:25:54.020 I think it's anti-feminist.

00:25:55.260 I know you disagree

00:25:56.880 so much so that The View

00:25:58.240 featured your harang,

00:26:01.280 your violent attack

00:26:02.620 on Barbie and Ken

00:26:03.880 on their show.

00:26:05.860 I can get worked up

00:26:06.660 over a doll movie.

00:26:07.740 Like, it reminds me

00:26:08.300 of the Bud Light,

00:26:09.100 you know, scandal or whatever.

00:26:11.380 Is there not something

00:26:12.380 more important going on

00:26:13.640 in the world

00:26:14.040 to get super passionate about?

00:26:15.720 But it is,

00:26:16.580 to Joy's point,

00:26:17.140 it kind of shows

00:26:17.800 how the right-wing influencers

00:26:19.240 are actually out of touch

00:26:20.340 with actual Republicans.

00:26:21.660 I'm so taken by

00:26:23.340 some of these right-wing men

00:26:24.820 who have all these thoughts

00:26:25.800 on masculinity.

00:26:26.940 Like, somehow the Barbie movie

00:26:28.340 is going to make them

00:26:28.860 feel emasculated.

00:26:30.160 No, caring so much about it

00:26:31.520 is honestly the most

00:26:32.380 emasculating thing

00:26:33.220 I could think about.

00:26:34.500 I think the last guy's voice

00:26:34.940 wasn't that Ben Shapiro?

00:26:36.120 Yeah.

00:26:36.280 Because if you're sitting there

00:26:37.180 and you flipped it on a head

00:26:38.180 and it was...

00:26:38.900 He looks like he should

00:26:39.700 be in the ball.

00:26:40.420 If you flip...

00:26:41.860 Why?

00:26:42.240 Because I have a rippling

00:26:43.200 six-pack?

00:26:44.000 Apparently you've got energy.

00:26:45.660 This is...

00:26:46.260 Meanwhile, but...

00:26:46.900 Sorry, I'm going to let you guys

00:26:47.500 but they are the ones...

00:26:49.100 These people celebrate

00:26:49.900 the movie.

00:26:50.380 It's some great triumph.

00:26:52.160 And then if we...

00:26:52.840 So it's the same thing.

00:26:53.680 If we criticize it,

00:26:54.840 well, why do you care so much?

00:26:56.000 You're the one saying

00:26:56.580 it's the great feminist triumph

00:26:58.140 in the first place.

00:26:58.800 This is my face tattoo

00:27:00.200 syndrome routine.

00:27:00.960 It's like you go into

00:27:01.860 the Starbucks

00:27:02.260 and there's some weirdo

00:27:02.960 with a face tattoo

00:27:03.560 and then you look at

00:27:04.260 the face tattoo.

00:27:04.720 Like, what are you looking at?

00:27:05.560 Like, your face tattoo.

00:27:06.900 It's like, well,

00:27:07.480 you're the ones who decided

00:27:08.300 that Barbie was not just

00:27:09.160 a movie about a child's toy.

00:27:10.700 You decided that it was a movie

00:27:11.700 about the power of feminism

00:27:13.280 and it was so important

00:27:14.180 that every child had to see it

00:27:15.520 so that girls could be empowered.

00:27:16.840 And then I'm like,

00:27:17.340 well, I think that it's

00:27:18.080 a crappy movie.

00:27:18.720 I don't think it's funny.

00:27:19.400 I think it's kind of stupid.

00:27:20.560 I think that it promotes

00:27:21.680 a bad message.

00:27:22.480 And you're like,

00:27:22.900 oh, how dare you be upset

00:27:24.320 about this movie

00:27:25.020 that's going to earn

00:27:25.480 a billion dollars

00:27:26.320 at the box office.

00:27:26.880 You did set the doll on fire.

00:27:28.180 Let's have me...

00:27:28.760 It's a Barbenheimer joke,

00:27:30.720 first of all.

00:27:31.720 Second of all,

00:27:32.780 I made a lot of money

00:27:33.540 off of that.

00:27:34.320 And so they asked me,

00:27:35.000 my producers came in,

00:27:35.740 they said,

00:27:35.900 with all the money

00:27:36.320 that we've made

00:27:36.840 off of that Barbie review,

00:27:38.440 what would you like to do with that?

00:27:39.180 And I said,

00:27:39.420 well, you have to keep

00:27:39.900 investing in the business.

00:27:40.640 So we obviously have to buy

00:27:41.500 like 800 more Barbies

00:27:42.620 and set them on fire.

00:27:43.300 Set them all on fire.

00:27:44.320 I mean, you just...

00:27:45.100 It's arbitrage.

00:27:46.520 That's right.

00:27:47.200 You have to keep investing

00:27:48.300 in the business.

00:27:48.800 You don't pull out

00:27:49.420 until the business

00:27:50.000 is essentially done.

00:27:52.160 Quick note to Alyssa Farah,

00:27:54.040 who...

00:27:54.520 I met Alyssa Farah

00:27:55.860 when I was in

00:27:56.460 Vice President Mike Pence's office

00:27:58.280 in the Oval Office.

00:27:59.800 And she was a large-scale fan

00:28:01.740 of the show at the time.

00:28:03.580 Really?

00:28:04.100 Oh, yes.

00:28:04.840 And so her mock horror

00:28:07.520 at learning

00:28:08.640 that I disliked

00:28:09.960 the Barbie movie,

00:28:10.540 I find rather unconvincing.

00:28:13.080 What she has here

00:28:13.940 is very strong 2012 GOP energy.

00:28:17.180 Yes.

00:28:17.460 Which is, you know,

00:28:18.220 who cares about the culture?

00:28:19.820 Let's just talk about

00:28:20.680 things that matter,

00:28:21.440 like...

00:28:21.500 They're really smart.

00:28:22.460 Regulatory reform.

00:28:23.540 Regulatory reform.

00:28:24.420 I think we should pause

00:28:25.240 here for a moment.

00:28:25.800 Let's hear...

00:28:26.300 Did you like the Barbie movie?

00:28:27.140 I did.

00:28:27.600 First of all,

00:28:28.680 I'm proud of you

00:28:29.040 for coming out as a gay man.

00:28:31.440 Listen,

00:28:32.040 good for you.

00:28:32.680 Living your truth.

00:28:33.400 Grew up in New York.

00:28:34.380 I went to a certain university.

00:28:36.100 Yeah, that's really...

00:28:37.120 You know,

00:28:37.460 no socks in my loafers.

00:28:39.160 I sincerely liked it

00:28:40.640 because...

00:28:41.900 You're the worst person.

00:28:42.600 Listen,

00:28:43.160 this is not...

00:28:44.360 Certain movies...

00:28:45.060 That's a big badder shit,

00:28:45.700 my friend.

00:28:45.780 Certain movies

00:28:46.540 I will grant you.

00:28:48.240 This is the kind

00:28:48.720 of sophisticated conversation

00:28:50.340 that I love to be a part of.

00:28:51.660 I try...

00:28:52.760 In some movies,

00:28:54.060 I'll totally grant.

00:28:55.840 Maybe I'm inclined

00:28:57.000 to read a little too much

00:28:57.920 into it or something like that.

00:28:58.880 I don't think that's

00:28:59.560 what's going on here.

00:29:00.140 I think the movie

00:29:01.080 is very clearly anti-feminist.

00:29:03.280 Here's my brief evidence for it.

00:29:06.480 Barbieland is a feminist utopia.

00:29:08.060 It's established that way

00:29:08.820 from the opening scene.

00:29:10.360 The opening scene...

00:29:11.280 This is spoiler alert,

00:29:12.400 by the way.

00:29:12.940 The opening scene

00:29:13.740 is an homage

00:29:14.440 to 2001 A Space Odyssey,

00:29:15.940 and the little girls

00:29:16.800 are having fun

00:29:17.300 playing with their baby dolls

00:29:18.240 until Barbie comes around.

00:29:19.900 And Barbie,

00:29:20.940 the symbol of feminism,

00:29:22.460 comes in

00:29:23.040 and inspires these girls

00:29:24.820 to murder their baby dolls

00:29:26.480 and to pursue Barbie.

00:29:28.100 Then in Barbieland,

00:29:29.240 the women run everything

00:29:30.200 and they're all feminists.

00:29:31.120 The woman is a president,

00:29:32.280 woman's a doctor,

00:29:33.000 woman's this,

00:29:33.480 woman's that.

00:29:33.900 The men are total second class.

00:29:35.680 Technically,

00:29:36.140 a man who's playing

00:29:36.840 a woman is a doctor,

00:29:37.540 but yes.

00:29:37.900 A man...

00:29:38.400 Oh, yeah, I know.

00:29:39.040 But the...

00:29:39.940 As a trans woman.

00:29:40.640 The trans thing

00:29:41.400 is there

00:29:43.220 as part of the Barbie universe,

00:29:44.520 but it's not

00:29:45.020 totally emphasized.

00:29:45.960 And so,

00:29:48.300 in Barbieland,

00:29:50.180 you get a view

00:29:51.320 of all of the Barbies

00:29:52.400 and, oh, this Barbie

00:29:53.580 is this figure

00:29:54.320 and this, that,

00:29:54.740 and the other thing.

00:29:55.540 Except for one

00:29:56.320 gets written out

00:29:56.920 very early on.

00:29:57.540 There's a pregnant Barbie,

00:29:58.920 but then very quickly

00:29:59.740 they say,

00:30:00.220 oh, no,

00:30:00.800 she's not allowed to be here.

00:30:02.180 We got rid of her

00:30:02.900 really quickly.

00:30:04.080 And in Barbieland,

00:30:06.160 Barbie's not totally happy.

00:30:08.640 I mean, it's...

00:30:09.280 She's happy in the sense

00:30:10.200 that it's the same fun party

00:30:11.420 every single day,

00:30:12.260 but there's no future.

00:30:13.240 There's only this

00:30:13.700 perpetual present.

00:30:15.000 And then she goes

00:30:15.780 into the real world.

00:30:16.760 And by the way,

00:30:17.380 even when she,

00:30:18.360 when the feminist guru character

00:30:19.920 offers Barbie the chance

00:30:21.160 to go into the real world

00:30:22.000 to see what it's like

00:30:23.460 and to try to fix some problems,

00:30:25.160 she says,

00:30:25.580 okay, you take the red pill

00:30:26.320 or the blue pill?

00:30:27.320 The red pill

00:30:28.940 is the Birkenstocks.

00:30:30.060 The blue pill

00:30:30.560 is the high heels.

00:30:31.580 What does Barbie say?

00:30:32.280 She goes,

00:30:32.540 oh, I have the choice?

00:30:33.240 Good.

00:30:33.620 I'll take the high heels, please.

00:30:34.940 I want to just be

00:30:35.680 a happy woman.

00:30:36.800 And the feminist says,

00:30:37.860 oh, you weren't supposed

00:30:39.080 to pick that.

00:30:39.980 You don't actually

00:30:40.600 have the choice.

00:30:41.540 You've got to wear

00:30:42.140 the Birkenstocks

00:30:42.800 to go into the real world.

00:30:43.800 So she goes

00:30:44.300 into the real world.

00:30:45.020 The real world

00:30:45.620 is supposedly a patriarchy.

00:30:48.080 And you hear the word patriarchy,

00:30:49.220 as you pointed out, Ben.

00:30:50.280 You hear the word patriarchy

00:30:51.240 like a dozen times.

00:30:52.080 In double digits, yeah.

00:30:52.620 Yeah.

00:30:53.980 But what's very interesting

00:30:55.700 is the actions

00:30:57.200 that move the plot along,

00:30:58.620 that actually have consequences

00:30:59.900 in the world,

00:31:00.820 they're all done by women

00:31:01.980 in very subtle ways.

00:31:03.060 A woman who draws

00:31:04.000 a little picture of Barbie,

00:31:04.900 a woman who has a thought

00:31:05.620 about death

00:31:06.600 and the future

00:31:07.260 and generations.

00:31:08.020 The central theme

00:31:09.040 of the whole movie

00:31:10.520 is motherhood.

00:31:11.960 And so then I'm not,

00:31:13.180 I won't,

00:31:13.480 maybe I'll go into it

00:31:14.140 a little bit more

00:31:14.500 on my show tomorrow,

00:31:15.320 but let's fast forward.

00:31:16.000 We'll go back to Aliens.

00:31:16.860 This is where I think

00:31:18.920 where Greta Gerwig,

00:31:20.180 who is a fairly conservative

00:31:21.440 filmmaker if you watch Lady Bird,

00:31:23.180 where Greta Gerwig

00:31:23.800 I think really tips her hand,

00:31:24.980 and this is a major

00:31:25.600 spoiler alert.

00:31:26.460 At the very end,

00:31:28.020 there's this scene

00:31:29.220 where after the big

00:31:30.320 feminist speech,

00:31:31.340 the woman is complaining.

00:31:32.360 She says,

00:31:33.260 it's so impossible

00:31:34.500 to be a woman

00:31:35.060 because we're expected

00:31:36.040 to be girl bosses.

00:31:37.600 We're expected

00:31:38.380 to work all these jobs.

00:31:40.260 The things she's

00:31:41.320 complaining about

00:31:41.920 are the result of feminism,

00:31:43.300 not traditional society.

00:31:44.840 Then Barbie is given

00:31:46.160 the choice.

00:31:46.500 Do you stay in the

00:31:47.040 feminist utopia Barbie land?

00:31:48.180 Do you go into the real world,

00:31:49.000 which is supposedly patriarchy?

00:31:50.540 She chooses the real world.

00:31:52.680 She goes out there

00:31:53.260 and she meets

00:31:53.760 the creator of Barbie,

00:31:55.160 Rhea Perlman.

00:31:56.100 Great scene.

00:31:57.900 And Rhea Perlman

00:31:58.720 actually says,

00:32:00.560 she says,

00:32:00.940 well, what about all this,

00:32:01.780 you know,

00:32:02.320 this awful world out here?

00:32:03.680 She goes,

00:32:03.960 look,

00:32:04.580 we come up with

00:32:05.320 all these make-believe things

00:32:06.920 to make sense

00:32:07.640 of the complicated world.

00:32:08.820 We make things up.

00:32:10.260 Like Barbie.

00:32:11.740 Like patriarchy.

00:32:13.360 So she actually says,

00:32:14.420 this notion of the patriarchy

00:32:15.640 is a made-up thing.

00:32:16.820 And then here's the clincher.

00:32:18.680 Isn't she saying

00:32:19.040 that the patriarchy itself

00:32:20.220 is a thing that we know?

00:32:21.720 No, she's saying

00:32:22.280 the notion of patriarchy

00:32:23.920 and here's the final proof of it.

00:32:25.780 The final scene,

00:32:27.000 right before Barbie decides,

00:32:29.120 okay, this is going to be

00:32:29.700 my life in the real world.

00:32:31.000 The montage of what

00:32:32.120 she can achieve

00:32:32.600 in the real world

00:32:33.100 is not her going out

00:32:34.000 to be a girl boss

00:32:34.800 at some widget company

00:32:35.640 or whatever.

00:32:36.380 It's motherhood.

00:32:37.640 And then the very final scene,

00:32:39.080 this is the clincher

00:32:39.940 where I think

00:32:40.320 you couldn't deny it.

00:32:41.740 She's walking in

00:32:42.540 and it's supposed to be

00:32:43.040 the big triumph

00:32:43.800 of feminist Barbie.

00:32:45.020 She's walking in

00:32:45.780 for her job interview.

00:32:47.160 Walks up to the secretary

00:32:48.040 and she says,

00:32:48.940 hi, my name is Barbara Handel

00:32:50.920 and I'm here for my appointment.

00:32:53.940 And the woman says,

00:32:54.520 okay, what can I do for you?

00:32:56.060 What are you here for?

00:32:57.340 And she says,

00:32:58.760 not I'm here for my job interview.

00:33:00.120 She says,

00:33:00.620 I'm here to see my gynecologist.

00:33:02.520 Which is,

00:33:04.040 it's a play on

00:33:05.280 the motherhood

00:33:06.000 from the beginning.

00:33:06.600 It's a play on Barbie.

00:33:07.680 Wait, I have to say something.

00:33:10.020 I can't defend you

00:33:11.320 because I didn't see Barbie

00:33:12.880 because I'm a heterosexual adult.

00:33:14.680 But, adult now.

00:33:16.440 But I have to say

00:33:17.900 that Greta Gerwig

00:33:18.500 is not a radical feminist director

00:33:21.220 just having seen Lady Bird

00:33:22.560 which is quite a good film.

00:33:23.300 No, but she is,

00:33:24.200 but she,

00:33:24.880 like Noah Baumbach,

00:33:26.380 her paramour.

00:33:27.500 Yeah, who also is against,

00:33:29.380 did that wonderful movie

00:33:30.860 about divorce.

00:33:31.700 Oh, I can't believe

00:33:32.280 you like that movie.

00:33:33.000 It was about

00:33:33.440 how destructive divorce was.

00:33:34.800 That entire movie

00:33:35.640 is about a bunch of

00:33:36.700 self-obsessed,

00:33:38.480 narcissistic jackass

00:33:40.360 who don't give a shit

00:33:41.680 about their kid.

00:33:42.480 That's what that movie's about.

00:33:43.680 And somehow I'm supposed

00:33:44.960 to care about these people

00:33:45.900 and their story.

00:33:46.460 No, no, no, no.

00:33:47.220 It was about how destructive

00:33:48.320 they are.

00:33:48.420 You're right.

00:33:48.740 These are all secretly.

00:33:49.580 Do you imagine?

00:33:50.740 No, I didn't say

00:33:51.160 she was conservative.

00:33:51.940 She's not a feminist.

00:33:53.440 Here's what I would argue.

00:33:54.860 Anti-feminist.

00:33:55.820 She's anti-feminist.

00:33:56.540 You think she intentionally

00:33:57.980 made this broadside attack

00:34:00.860 on feminism itself?

00:34:02.920 I mean, you would have

00:34:03.380 to be a far conservative,

00:34:06.220 like hardcore conservative

00:34:07.180 to do something like that.

00:34:08.060 No, that's no way.

00:34:08.760 Wait, wait, wait.

00:34:09.140 That's actually not my point.

00:34:09.780 Here's what actually happened.

00:34:10.820 You know what actually happened?

00:34:11.960 Have you seen the movie?

00:34:12.900 Be quiet.

00:34:13.140 No, no, no.

00:34:13.840 Hold on.

00:34:14.440 All right, Drew, finish.

00:34:15.040 There is a movement now

00:34:16.660 among highly intelligent,

00:34:18.280 semi-left-wing women

00:34:19.680 rejecting feminism.

00:34:21.420 It is growing up

00:34:22.380 and the only person covering it

00:34:23.540 is me because I actually

00:34:25.040 listen to what they say.

00:34:25.880 What?

00:34:26.180 Like the Red Scare podcast, right?

00:34:27.760 Yes, the Red Scare,

00:34:28.760 Mary Harrington.

00:34:29.700 These are women who identify

00:34:30.720 as more or less left-wing,

00:34:32.940 but they suddenly say,

00:34:34.160 you know,

00:34:34.340 these babies are kind of nice

00:34:35.540 and we're being written

00:34:36.700 out of existence

00:34:37.460 by the transgender movement,

00:34:39.200 which is a logical extension

00:34:40.600 of feminism.

00:34:41.420 They're not dumb

00:34:42.100 and they see this

00:34:42.900 and I'm not,

00:34:43.380 I haven't seen the movie

00:34:44.420 and really don't want to

00:34:45.860 except now I'll have to.

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00:35:43.460 Okay, so,

00:35:44.020 let me now give

00:35:46.080 a couple pronged response.

00:35:48.020 One,

00:35:49.380 there's a movie

00:35:49.900 that you are seeing,

00:35:51.020 and then there's the movie

00:35:51.660 that the American public

00:35:52.420 is seeing.

00:35:53.420 Okay, you're doing

00:35:54.040 a real Straussian

00:35:54.800 esoteric read

00:35:55.600 on this film.

00:35:56.540 I don't think it's that esoteric,

00:35:57.720 but yeah.

00:35:58.380 It's definitely a deep read

00:35:59.780 on Barbie.

00:36:00.560 Okay, the surface read

00:36:01.360 on Barbie

00:36:01.660 is nothing remotely like this.

00:36:02.860 The surface read

00:36:03.480 on Barbie

00:36:03.920 is that Barbie herself,

00:36:07.340 when she goes

00:36:07.820 into the real world,

00:36:08.420 is immediately victimized

00:36:09.500 by the patriarchy,

00:36:10.620 that Ken,

00:36:11.220 when he goes back

00:36:12.000 to Barbie Land,

00:36:12.680 immediately establishes

00:36:13.700 the horrors of the Kendom,

00:36:14.900 which must be overcome,

00:36:16.040 and the conclusion,

00:36:18.060 The women love Kendom.

00:36:18.940 Until they are

00:36:19.880 disabused of their love

00:36:20.860 of Kendom

00:36:21.240 by the truth,

00:36:22.040 which is feminism,

00:36:22.880 at which point

00:36:23.360 they do not actually,

00:36:24.620 the normal,

00:36:25.420 by the way,

00:36:26.000 course that this movie

00:36:26.820 would take

00:36:27.240 if you were to

00:36:27.940 actively make it

00:36:29.080 in an anti-feminist direction

00:36:30.380 is that Barbie Land

00:36:31.180 would become more equal.

00:36:32.680 Everyone would treat

00:36:33.140 each other as an individual.

00:36:34.160 That's not what happens.

00:36:34.900 Instead,

00:36:35.180 they reestablish

00:36:35.820 the matriarchy at the end

00:36:36.800 with the men

00:36:37.100 in a subservient position,

00:36:38.400 and the tagline at the end

00:36:39.680 where she learns emotion

00:36:40.960 and says she has to go back

00:36:41.720 to the real world

00:36:42.280 and therefore goes

00:36:42.860 to the gynecologist

00:36:43.560 is not about motherhood.

00:36:44.960 It's a throwaway joke

00:36:45.780 about her growing vagina

00:36:46.660 because that's the entire film.

00:36:48.260 The film has these kinds of jokes

00:36:49.400 littered throughout it.

00:36:50.800 The notion that this is

00:36:52.200 like a deep read

00:36:52.980 on feminism

00:36:53.380 is not right.

00:36:54.040 The only plausible notion

00:36:55.240 I can see

00:36:55.740 is that Greta Gerwig herself

00:36:57.040 is trapped by feminism,

00:36:58.780 meaning that she made a movie

00:36:59.960 that was meant to be

00:37:00.620 an homage to feminism.

00:37:01.740 It was meant to be

00:37:02.240 a rip on the patriarchy,

00:37:03.140 and she finds herself unable

00:37:05.080 because she is not

00:37:06.180 truly, as you say,

00:37:08.340 like an ardent feminist.

00:37:09.520 She finds herself

00:37:10.280 in this false bind

00:37:11.400 of not being able to get out.

00:37:12.560 And so what that's reflected in

00:37:13.580 is a very messy movie.

00:37:14.800 The movie is a thematic mess.

00:37:16.540 There are a bunch of elements of it

00:37:18.120 that do not fit your narrative

00:37:19.100 and they don't fit my narrative.

00:37:19.880 And the reason is

00:37:20.500 because they're in conflict

00:37:21.300 with one another.

00:37:21.740 I don't think so.

00:37:22.760 I mean, I just...

00:37:23.880 There is literally a speech

00:37:25.060 where Barbie articulates

00:37:26.840 that in order to live

00:37:28.140 as a woman in the real world,

00:37:29.200 either you have to buy

00:37:29.800 fully into delusion

00:37:30.940 or you have to be considered

00:37:32.240 a crazy weird Barbie

00:37:33.100 who is lesbian Kate McKinnon

00:37:34.360 weird Barbie, right?

00:37:35.440 Those are the only two choices.

00:37:36.640 There is no third choice

00:37:37.500 whereby you can live

00:37:38.380 a happy life

00:37:39.040 as a traditional woman.

00:37:40.000 This is forbade.

00:37:40.700 But then what does she do?

00:37:41.860 You're right that she's troubled

00:37:43.440 by the...

00:37:43.960 America Ferrara's speech

00:37:44.920 does not...

00:37:45.560 America Ferrara's speech

00:37:46.500 is not about how

00:37:47.480 the solution to this

00:37:48.500 is traditional joys of motherhood.

00:37:49.860 It's about how it's impossible

00:37:50.560 because men are evil pigs

00:37:51.800 for women to live happily.

00:37:53.420 No, they're...

00:37:53.980 She literally says that

00:37:54.660 in the speech.

00:37:55.020 No, no, no.

00:37:55.280 This is the point.

00:37:56.540 You're right that in these speeches

00:37:58.000 they're trying to work

00:37:59.080 through the problems of feminism

00:38:00.280 and they're speaking

00:38:01.280 as many American

00:38:02.280 and many liberal women

00:38:03.120 would speak today

00:38:04.040 and they feel that it's a trap.

00:38:05.660 But then at the end of the movie

00:38:07.200 the conclusion

00:38:08.220 the reconciliation of these problems...

00:38:09.480 So I have a question.

00:38:10.340 Why does the left love it?

00:38:11.580 Simple question.

00:38:12.180 Why do the women of the view like it?

00:38:12.880 Wait, wait.

00:38:13.100 Can I ask a question?

00:38:13.860 Is it because they're...

00:38:14.560 Are they misreading it

00:38:15.200 or are you misreading it?

00:38:15.760 They're misreading it.

00:38:16.720 Of course.

00:38:17.140 They misread everything.

00:38:18.280 They don't know what a man is.

00:38:19.000 Okay, so the 50, 60, 70 million people

00:38:21.340 who are watching

00:38:21.760 you think they're reading it like you

00:38:22.560 or you think they're reading it

00:38:23.240 like the ladies of the view?

00:38:23.980 I don't know how they're reading it.

00:38:25.000 I do.

00:38:25.260 Wait, I want to ask a question about that

00:38:27.780 because what I did

00:38:29.300 is I went and see Oppenheimer

00:38:30.420 simply for the experience

00:38:32.260 of having three hours

00:38:32.920 of not watching Barbie

00:38:33.760 and I thought Oppenheimer

00:38:34.940 was a really good movie.

00:38:36.300 I thought it was, in fact,

00:38:37.280 the first really good movie

00:38:38.360 that guy has made.

00:38:39.240 I know everybody's...

00:38:40.080 I want to love him

00:38:40.840 but I thought it was

00:38:41.660 the first movie he's made

00:38:42.540 since the Dark Knight trilogy

00:38:43.820 that was really good.

00:38:45.200 And one of the things

00:38:45.780 that truly impressed me

00:38:47.440 about Oppenheimer

00:38:48.080 was how art trumps politics

00:38:49.800 because in politics

00:38:51.820 you have to sit around

00:38:52.500 and talk about

00:38:52.980 were we right to drop the bomb?

00:38:54.480 Yes, we were.

00:38:55.060 No, we weren't.

00:38:55.700 That kind of thing.

00:38:56.320 It's this binary choice

00:38:57.360 that you have to make.

00:38:58.420 But in the arts,

00:38:59.120 you can say

00:38:59.700 we might have had to drop it.

00:39:01.540 It might still be an atrocity.

00:39:03.100 It might be an atrocity.

00:39:04.240 It might have been

00:39:04.760 the best atrocity.

00:39:05.800 It might have been

00:39:06.500 a good thing in the moment.

00:39:07.420 It might lead to the end

00:39:08.160 of the world.

00:39:08.580 You can have this kind of

00:39:09.240 complex vision of the world

00:39:10.660 and so people are going to...

00:39:13.220 People who are politicized

00:39:14.480 are going to go to these movies

00:39:15.700 and come out and say,

00:39:16.500 well, he talked too much

00:39:17.480 about the communists

00:39:18.160 or he left the communists off the...

00:39:19.160 But that's not what he's doing.

00:39:20.400 He's actually making art

00:39:21.600 which is much more complex

00:39:23.020 than politics.

00:39:23.560 So maybe she's doing the same thing.

00:39:24.840 Well, this is...

00:39:25.300 I guess this is...

00:39:26.020 I don't know her politics.

00:39:27.560 And she's kind of coy

00:39:28.540 in her politics.

00:39:29.260 But I will say,

00:39:30.680 I think she's a genius filmmaker.

00:39:32.260 I think she's really

00:39:33.000 an excellent filmmaker.

00:39:34.800 I think Lady Bird was terrific.

00:39:36.580 Okay.

00:39:37.360 Forget Lady Bird for a second

00:39:38.300 because we can discuss that.

00:39:38.900 And I think Barbie was terrific.

00:39:39.920 It's also just great filmmaking.

00:39:41.240 It is not even remotely

00:39:42.220 great filmmaking.

00:39:42.980 It has about three laugh moments.

00:39:44.300 The movie's at least

00:39:44.860 20 minutes too long.

00:39:45.620 I was laughing the whole time.

00:39:46.480 It is too long though.

00:39:47.220 The movie is...

00:39:47.820 But all movies are too long.

00:39:48.720 All movies are too long.

00:39:49.440 But it's a great sin in a comedy

00:39:51.520 because it's all timing.

00:39:52.740 The only funny performance

00:39:53.880 in the film

00:39:54.220 is given by Ron Gosling.

00:39:55.600 He's excellent.

00:39:56.780 Margot Robbie is not funny.

00:39:57.940 I thought she was good.

00:39:58.640 Robbie.

00:39:59.080 Okay, but...

00:39:59.760 Ria Promen was good.

00:40:01.660 She's the kind of writer

00:40:02.600 who drops Proust Barbie jokes

00:40:04.280 in the middle of a film.

00:40:05.280 Which I lulled at.

00:40:06.420 I'll tell you.

00:40:07.000 Of course you did

00:40:07.640 because this movie

00:40:08.140 was written for you.

00:40:09.260 It really was.

00:40:09.840 It was written for

00:40:10.300 upper class white females.

00:40:12.580 Upper class white females.

00:40:13.720 That's who it was written for.

00:40:14.960 Okay, you know

00:40:15.440 who it wasn't written for?

00:40:16.420 That was low, man.

00:40:17.920 Because you know

00:40:18.740 who this was not written for?

00:40:19.320 True, but low.

00:40:20.040 You know who this was not written for?

00:40:21.460 The actual people

00:40:22.380 who like Barbies.

00:40:23.900 Namely, young girls.

00:40:25.220 It was not for young girls.

00:40:25.880 But you know

00:40:26.520 who was showing up

00:40:26.920 at the theater?

00:40:27.760 I know because I was there

00:40:28.880 because I had to go

00:40:29.720 to this damn thing.

00:40:30.540 I was there

00:40:31.140 and you know who it was?

00:40:31.760 It was Mommies

00:40:32.180 and their 8-year-old girls.

00:40:33.200 And all those 8-year-old girls

00:40:34.420 were being told

00:40:35.200 on the screen

00:40:35.900 by a man playing a woman

00:40:37.920 that the way that women

00:40:39.060 are to be upheld

00:40:40.660 in society

00:40:41.360 is to literally separate

00:40:42.500 from the men.

00:40:43.140 This is the message.

00:40:43.720 One of the messages

00:40:44.400 in the bad place.

00:40:45.160 In the bad place.

00:40:46.140 In the good place

00:40:46.820 there are no men.

00:40:47.760 They don't exist.

00:40:48.640 The only men

00:40:49.220 in the good place

00:40:49.920 are afterthought.

00:40:49.980 No, the bad place

00:40:51.300 is Barbie land.

00:40:52.060 That's why Barbie leaves.

00:40:53.640 She leaves because

00:40:54.960 she's become too human.

00:40:56.220 Okay, it's this.

00:40:56.780 Isn't she like

00:40:57.420 immediately assaulted

00:40:58.300 as soon as she gets

00:40:58.880 to the real world?

00:40:58.900 Yes, she slapped

00:40:59.700 on the ass immediately.

00:41:00.800 But she still chooses

00:41:01.680 to go back

00:41:02.280 because she likes

00:41:03.400 patriarchy.

00:41:04.000 But Michael,

00:41:04.540 the existence

00:41:05.780 of this trans person

00:41:07.640 in the film at all

00:41:09.280 completely destroys

00:41:10.580 your theory.

00:41:11.120 This is correct, of course.

00:41:12.260 The trans person

00:41:13.580 is hit on

00:41:15.640 by Ryan Gosling

00:41:16.420 in the film

00:41:17.020 as a woman.

00:41:17.620 But my theory

00:41:18.220 is...

00:41:18.520 The trans person's there

00:41:18.640 to make some kind

00:41:19.040 of anti...

00:41:20.120 Well, no,

00:41:20.740 they're pointing out

00:41:21.260 that Barbie has

00:41:22.220 all of these

00:41:22.640 very feminist aspects

00:41:23.560 to it,

00:41:23.960 including the

00:41:24.460 transgenderism.

00:41:25.020 I don't even want

00:41:25.080 to go to see

00:41:25.480 Margot Robbie's song.

00:41:26.880 And Margot Robbie

00:41:27.880 is great in the movie.

00:41:30.140 Let's just leave it

00:41:30.740 at that.

00:41:31.440 But no,

00:41:32.220 I guess my theory

00:41:33.040 hinges on Barbie land

00:41:35.180 as a feminist utopia

00:41:36.500 being the sort of thing

00:41:38.060 that ought to be rejected

00:41:39.180 as it is

00:41:40.000 by the protagonist

00:41:40.680 at the end of the movie.

00:41:41.480 And yet it's not destroyed.

00:41:42.700 If she wished to destroy it,

00:41:43.720 then what she actually

00:41:44.400 had to do

00:41:44.960 was come to the natural

00:41:45.860 denouement of the movie,

00:41:46.820 which they're building toward

00:41:47.500 because she mistreats Ken.

00:41:48.880 The way that this is

00:41:49.560 supposed to conclude...

00:41:50.640 But Ken is a cuck.

00:41:51.540 Ken is a simp.

00:41:52.560 He's not a man.

00:41:54.100 That's a ridiculous...

00:41:55.120 He's not a patriarch.

00:41:56.820 Now you're getting...

00:41:57.920 He literally comes back

00:41:59.080 and establishes a man's utopia

00:42:00.640 in her view.

00:42:01.680 And the proper conclusion

00:42:02.840 of this film

00:42:03.580 would be for Barbie and Ken

00:42:05.780 to get along

00:42:06.440 and for them to actually

00:42:07.620 share this utopia.

00:42:08.780 But that's not the conclusion.

00:42:09.300 But they don't have a marriage.

00:42:10.100 They have a long-distance,

00:42:11.500 low-effort relationship.

00:42:12.920 Can I rule it?

00:42:13.680 So he's obviously gay, right?

00:42:15.540 Yeah.

00:42:16.860 By the way,

00:42:17.580 the entire movie

00:42:18.580 is just gay jokes

00:42:19.460 about Ken

00:42:19.980 and the fellow Kens.

00:42:21.080 Right.

00:42:21.360 That's the problem.

00:42:21.940 He's not a real man.

00:42:23.100 I mean, let's face it.

00:42:24.320 There's a four-minute segment

00:42:25.400 at the beginning

00:42:25.900 where they literally make jokes

00:42:27.740 about gay masturbation.

00:42:29.360 It's literally for four long minutes.

00:42:32.260 That's the feminist view

00:42:33.480 of the man,

00:42:34.360 which is...

00:42:35.000 Now, you got in trouble.

00:42:35.600 You know, I can't deal with this.

00:42:36.840 Listen, I like Strauss, okay?

00:42:38.520 I read Leo Strauss.

00:42:39.640 I enjoy natural right in history.

00:42:41.060 I like all that stuff, okay?

00:42:42.240 But I'm just going to point out to you

00:42:43.500 that you're so unbelievably full

00:42:45.080 of dog crap at this point.

00:42:47.000 This is not a...

00:42:48.240 At best,

00:42:49.460 what you can say...

00:42:50.240 Are you claiming...

00:42:50.800 In order for what you're saying

00:42:51.680 to be true,

00:42:52.580 Greta Gorg has to be

00:42:53.280 a conscious anti-feminist.

00:42:54.400 How do we put a time limit

00:42:55.240 on aliens,

00:42:55.740 but not on this.

00:42:56.900 Okay, I'll tell you what.

00:42:57.640 I'll shift to a slightly related topic

00:43:00.460 that you got in trouble for,

00:43:01.900 which is you jerk.

00:43:04.660 You outrageous,

00:43:06.140 bomb-throwing maniac.

00:43:07.600 You criticized feminism

00:43:09.580 and went viral for it.

00:43:11.440 What did you say?

00:43:13.260 Well, I mean,

00:43:14.100 I haven't seen either movie

00:43:15.340 and I want to see Oppenheimer,

00:43:16.880 but six kids,

00:43:17.600 I can't see a three-hour movie

00:43:18.720 in theater.

00:43:19.120 It's just impossible.

00:43:19.760 It's impossible.

00:43:20.580 I did this last week.

00:43:21.980 Let me tell you,

00:43:22.360 my wife is not super happy with me.

00:43:23.780 Yeah.

00:43:24.120 Oh, you went by yourself.

00:43:24.760 I went with a couple of friends

00:43:26.820 and I showed up

00:43:28.080 like 45 minutes

00:43:28.820 after the kids

00:43:29.700 had gotten back from camp.

00:43:30.940 It didn't go amazing.

00:43:32.640 Because I always had this idea

00:43:33.620 that I should bring my wife

00:43:34.520 for things like that

00:43:35.240 and that's why I couldn't.

00:43:36.300 I asked my wife.

00:43:37.020 If you wanted to see Indiana Jones

00:43:38.140 and not this.

00:43:39.340 But anyway,

00:43:40.700 as someone who hasn't seen it,

00:43:42.640 what I take from this

00:43:44.180 is that it's a good opportunity

00:43:44.940 to reflect on the fact

00:43:46.820 that feminism has killed

00:43:48.340 more people than the atom bomb,

00:43:50.080 which is what I tweeted out.

00:43:51.400 It has killed far more people

00:43:52.480 than the atom bomb.

00:43:53.640 The funny thing is...

00:43:54.220 It's so subtle about this point.

00:43:54.840 Simple fact.

00:43:56.440 It's actually a simple fact.

00:43:57.420 It's not wrong.

00:43:57.840 It was interesting to me

00:43:58.680 to see a lot of,

00:43:59.420 not surprising,

00:44:00.200 but even some conservatives

00:44:01.400 reacting to that.

00:44:02.540 It's like,

00:44:02.680 I don't even know

00:44:03.100 what you're talking about.

00:44:03.640 What could you possibly,

00:44:04.480 really, 60 million?

00:44:05.480 We can just start

00:44:06.840 with 60 million babies.

00:44:07.880 That's really just

00:44:08.480 the beginning of it

00:44:09.320 before we get to

00:44:09.840 the utter destruction

00:44:11.060 of the family by feminism.

00:44:13.460 Completely true.

00:44:14.120 But the interesting thing

00:44:15.080 that happened from this

00:44:15.980 feels weird.

00:44:17.000 Is that it was an opportunity

00:44:19.060 for what they call

00:44:20.280 the gender-critical feminists

00:44:21.540 who are the feminists

00:44:22.380 who are critical

00:44:23.220 of transgenderism

00:44:24.240 who have been

00:44:25.520 really uncomfortable with me,

00:44:26.980 but they're kind of like,

00:44:27.660 I don't know, this guy

00:44:28.600 and what is a woman?

00:44:29.580 They saw this

00:44:30.520 and they're like,

00:44:30.900 okay, screw this guy.

00:44:32.420 And they started passing

00:44:34.640 along this video

00:44:35.600 of Helen Joyce

00:44:36.700 who's a feminist writer

00:44:37.580 and a year ago

00:44:39.240 she did an interview

00:44:39.880 that I didn't even see,

00:44:41.140 but she was talking

00:44:41.900 about what is a woman

00:44:42.680 and she made the argument

00:44:44.040 that all these

00:44:44.640 gender-critical feminists

00:44:45.880 think it's quite brilliant

00:44:47.080 that someone like me,

00:44:49.320 you know,

00:44:49.560 I'm critical of transgenderism,

00:44:51.620 but I don't understand

00:44:52.380 that as a proponent

00:44:53.920 of gender roles,

00:44:56.380 I'm actually,

00:44:57.420 you know,

00:44:58.960 setting the stage

00:44:59.920 for transgenderism.

00:45:01.480 And so that's where

00:45:02.080 the conversation went,

00:45:02.900 which I think is very interesting

00:45:03.680 because what they don't understand

00:45:04.920 is that among feminism's

00:45:07.040 many sins,

00:45:08.320 it is the thing

00:45:10.040 that actually set the stage

00:45:11.940 for transgenderism.

00:45:12.860 Clearly the logical

00:45:14.640 and philosophical line

00:45:16.000 and historical line

00:45:16.940 is directly from feminism

00:45:18.220 to transgenderism.

00:45:19.220 I mean,

00:45:19.340 there's just no question about that.

00:45:20.260 Julie Smith Firestone

00:45:20.860 was writing about transgenderism

00:45:21.940 in the early 1970s.

00:45:23.080 Right.

00:45:23.700 Like the statement you're making,

00:45:27.000 which is on a purely

00:45:27.460 philosophical level,

00:45:28.340 which is that feminism

00:45:29.100 in obliterating gender roles

00:45:30.600 has made clear

00:45:31.280 that men can be women

00:45:32.060 and women can be men

00:45:32.720 because if there are no actual roles,

00:45:34.080 then how exactly

00:45:34.740 can't you be, right?

00:45:35.900 Gender non-binary

00:45:36.540 is the status quo.

00:45:38.020 Then put that aside,

00:45:39.720 just on a purely historic level,

00:45:41.640 the line of thinking

00:45:42.620 goes from essentially

00:45:44.240 Betteford and

00:45:44.800 to the next stage,

00:45:45.900 Shulamith Firestone,

00:45:47.000 forward to trans ideology.

00:45:49.000 I mean,

00:45:49.340 Shulamith Firestone

00:45:50.800 literally writes

00:45:51.480 an entire paper

00:45:52.040 about how this is the case,

00:45:53.040 how in the future

00:45:53.720 men will be able

00:45:54.840 to have babies

00:45:55.340 and women will be the ones

00:45:56.300 who are inseminating them

00:45:57.040 and all of this kind of stuff.

00:45:57.960 I mean,

00:45:58.120 so that's in 1970s.

00:46:00.120 So like,

00:46:00.480 they're just wrong,

00:46:01.140 factually speaking.

00:46:01.820 And one of the points

00:46:03.720 I made to Helen

00:46:05.040 is a really obvious one

00:46:06.980 that if traditional gender roles

00:46:09.340 lead to transgenderism,

00:46:11.760 well,

00:46:11.880 traditional gender roles

00:46:12.900 existed across the entire world.

00:46:15.440 They were the only thing

00:46:16.240 that existed

00:46:16.720 for thousands of years

00:46:18.240 and yet transgenderism

00:46:19.760 did not exist

00:46:20.400 in any of these cultures.

00:46:21.800 And if you go even now,

00:46:23.360 as we did in the film,

00:46:24.240 and go to cultures

00:46:24.920 that still have

00:46:26.000 these so-called

00:46:26.460 traditional gender roles,

00:46:27.400 they've never even heard

00:46:28.240 of this stuff.

00:46:28.880 And feminism comes along

00:46:30.400 and like a second later,

00:46:32.200 you've got transgenderism.

00:46:33.320 So it seems like

00:46:33.700 by the way,

00:46:34.140 just on the Oppenheimer note,

00:46:35.500 since you tied it

00:46:36.360 into this tweet,

00:46:37.180 Oppenheimer was a communist

00:46:37.940 and they should have denied

00:46:39.180 his security clearance.

00:46:40.360 But he was not,

00:46:41.140 but he was not a,

00:46:41.920 he was not an official communist.

00:46:43.440 So this is under,

00:46:45.140 this is under serious,

00:46:46.260 so did you,

00:46:46.740 there's a letter,

00:46:47.360 there's a letter,

00:46:48.260 there's a letter from a Soviet agent

00:46:49.780 to Lorente Beria

00:46:50.840 in 1944,

00:46:52.660 I believe,

00:46:53.280 talking about how

00:46:54.520 Oppenheimer was a funnel

00:46:56.320 for information

00:46:57.040 for the Soviets.

00:46:58.460 And, you know,

00:46:59.300 whether that's true

00:47:00.220 or whether that's false,

00:47:01.060 there's no question

00:47:01.960 that every single person,

00:47:03.060 like, in terms of

00:47:03.920 was he a security risk?

00:47:05.260 Every single person

00:47:05.880 he hung out with

00:47:06.680 was like a card-carrying member

00:47:07.860 of the Communist Party.

00:47:08.800 Yeah.

00:47:09.040 Do you want that guy

00:47:09.700 having access to like all your,

00:47:10.840 I mean, I understand

00:47:11.500 why you do it

00:47:12.120 in the middle of World War II

00:47:13.080 where you have to win,

00:47:14.220 but after that,

00:47:15.280 there's a pretty good case

00:47:15.920 that at that point

00:47:16.320 you're like,

00:47:16.580 you know,

00:47:16.740 thanks for the service,

00:47:17.500 I really,

00:47:18.120 it's,

00:47:19.040 the thing about Oppenheimer,

00:47:20.840 that's really fascinating,

00:47:21.680 only two of us have seen it,

00:47:22.720 is that every argument

00:47:23.640 that is made by Oppenheimer's

00:47:24.900 opponents is correct.

00:47:26.020 Every single one of them, right?

00:47:26.980 They argue that the hydrogen bomb

00:47:28.280 is going to be necessary

00:47:29.440 because the Soviets

00:47:30.080 will develop it

00:47:30.720 without us developing it.

00:47:32.320 They argue that

00:47:32.720 mutually assured destruction

00:47:33.480 is going to prevent mass death,

00:47:34.500 which it did.

00:47:35.280 If you look at the number

00:47:35.820 of war deaths

00:47:36.440 in the first half

00:47:37.020 of the 20th century

00:47:37.660 versus the last half

00:47:38.360 of the 20th century,

00:47:39.460 it plummets.

00:47:40.220 I mean,

00:47:40.480 America loses 400,000 men

00:47:42.300 during World War II

00:47:43.060 and now in a typical

00:47:44.600 really horrific war

00:47:45.800 like Afghanistan,

00:47:46.440 we lose 2,400 men.

00:47:47.900 Things are just

00:47:48.660 radically different.

00:47:49.460 Oh, going to a physicist

00:47:51.220 for your politics

00:47:52.400 is like quite a comedian.

00:47:53.280 This is the part

00:47:54.280 with the movie

00:47:54.760 that I actually,

00:47:55.240 and I really enjoyed it

00:47:56.360 and I thought,

00:47:56.900 enjoy is not the right word.

00:47:59.420 It's a fascinating movie.

00:48:00.720 It's a really fascinating movie.

00:48:01.260 It also has some

00:48:01.820 of the best acting

00:48:02.500 I've seen.

00:48:03.260 The acting is spectacular.

00:48:04.760 The cinematography

00:48:05.380 is amazing.

00:48:06.380 The fact that Nolan

00:48:07.400 is a movie god

00:48:08.600 in the sense that

00:48:09.100 he can make a three-hour film

00:48:10.540 with one explosion

00:48:12.060 and make hundreds

00:48:13.060 of millions of dollars

00:48:13.780 at the box office.

00:48:14.280 And I have to say,

00:48:15.620 I hate three-hour films

00:48:16.580 on principle.

00:48:17.280 I think there should be

00:48:17.940 a federal law against them.

00:48:19.220 It went by.

00:48:19.980 Yeah,

00:48:20.220 the first hour of it

00:48:21.420 is unbelievably compelling.

00:48:22.920 You know,

00:48:23.360 I,

00:48:24.220 sorry to cut you off,

00:48:25.120 but I think,

00:48:26.000 you know,

00:48:26.160 obviously we're talking

00:48:26.760 about Oppenheimer

00:48:27.260 and the atom bomb

00:48:28.000 was rough for Japan,

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00:50:08.040 in the HR lawsuit

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00:50:12.600 It was short-lived

00:50:13.240 but it was worth it.

00:50:14.380 Speaking of people

00:50:15.220 who don't look very good,

00:50:16.660 Hunter Biden

00:50:17.220 did not look very good

00:50:18.520 this week

00:50:19.000 when his business

00:50:20.220 associate testified

00:50:21.300 behind a closed door

00:50:22.420 that he did in fact

00:50:25.560 chat with Joe Biden

00:50:26.860 about his business

00:50:27.460 and that Joe Biden

00:50:28.180 not only was aware

00:50:29.620 of his business dealings

00:50:30.460 which he already knew

00:50:31.000 but was actually on

00:50:32.640 more than 20 phone calls

00:50:35.000 with these crooks

00:50:36.420 that Hunter Biden

00:50:37.660 was shaking down

00:50:38.300 on behalf of

00:50:38.840 the Biden crime family.

00:50:40.480 I'm a little doomer

00:50:42.220 about the whole thing.

00:50:43.020 I'm just a little

00:50:43.700 I kind of think

00:50:45.220 it doesn't matter

00:50:46.040 oh yeah Biden's corrupt

00:50:47.360 and he's

00:50:48.060 does it

00:50:48.980 is it going to change

00:50:49.820 you think it does?

00:50:50.980 It does.

00:50:51.560 You know first of all

00:50:52.100 the polls on these things

00:50:53.080 that show that people

00:50:53.620 don't care

00:50:54.140 they can crater like that

00:50:55.560 they can

00:50:56.080 they disappear

00:50:57.380 Watergate was like this

00:50:58.820 nobody cared about Watergate

00:50:59.780 until everybody cared

00:51:00.640 about Watergate

00:51:01.140 and I think that

00:51:01.980 this is the kind of thing

00:51:02.960 look the press can cover this up

00:51:05.220 and they have covered it up

00:51:06.120 the DOJ can hide it

00:51:07.200 they have hidden it

00:51:08.760 the Democrats can say

00:51:09.860 it doesn't exist

00:51:10.360 but it does

00:51:11.020 and it means that

00:51:12.780 when somebody runs

00:51:14.120 against Joe Biden

00:51:15.220 and this is why

00:51:16.380 I'm still doubtful

00:51:17.680 that he's going to be

00:51:18.240 the candidate

00:51:18.680 you can't keep them

00:51:20.540 from pointing this out

00:51:22.040 relentlessly

00:51:22.880 if it's Trump

00:51:23.420 it'll be relentless

00:51:24.040 if it's DeSantis

00:51:24.840 it'll be relentless

00:51:25.560 and that's why I think

00:51:27.020 the way that the election

00:51:30.180 looks right now

00:51:30.900 has nothing to do

00:51:31.820 with the way the election

00:51:32.540 is going to look

00:51:33.280 in the end

00:51:33.720 it might be

00:51:34.940 a Trump-Biden contest

00:51:36.500 but there's every reason

00:51:37.740 to think that Biden

00:51:38.420 won't be in it

00:51:39.020 and it's possible

00:51:40.060 that even Trump

00:51:40.700 won't be in it

00:51:41.480 wow

00:51:41.740 you're always such an optimist

00:51:43.180 that's what I love about you Drew

00:51:44.440 but yes it makes a difference

00:51:46.840 and the reason it makes a difference

00:51:47.820 is because Joe

00:51:49.420 Trump has nowhere to fall

00:51:51.920 as I've said for literally

00:51:53.520 at this point

00:51:54.400 seven, eight years

00:51:55.080 Donald Trump's a mud monster

00:51:56.680 he's made of mud

00:51:57.460 the more mud you throw on him

00:51:58.420 the more he's made of mud

00:51:59.280 and so like you say

00:52:00.420 Donald Trump is a stooge

00:52:01.460 with the Russians

00:52:01.860 and he's like okay

00:52:02.580 and he's not

00:52:04.480 I mean he clearly is not

00:52:05.320 but it doesn't matter

00:52:05.760 you can throw that stuff at him

00:52:06.620 and it just doesn't have any impact

00:52:07.960 when Joe Biden ran

00:52:10.540 as I'm restoring

00:52:11.440 honor to the Oval Office

00:52:13.660 and cleanliness

00:52:14.340 and we're getting past the corruption

00:52:15.340 we're getting back

00:52:15.960 past the Trump

00:52:17.520 and the evil corrupt time

00:52:20.460 and all of this kind of stuff

00:52:21.560 and his character

00:52:23.460 is now an issue in the election

00:52:25.000 and it wasn't really an issue

00:52:26.360 in the election in 2020

00:52:27.160 it should have been

00:52:27.820 because he actually is a venal

00:52:28.880 and corrupt guy

00:52:29.340 and has been

00:52:29.720 for literally his entire career

00:52:30.800 he's a scumbag

00:52:31.940 he's a bad guy

00:52:32.860 he's been a bad guy

00:52:33.860 his entire career

00:52:34.480 but that

00:52:35.540 he got away with it

00:52:36.760 because on the other side

00:52:37.960 of the aisle

00:52:38.240 was Donald Trump

00:52:38.780 and everybody had already established

00:52:39.900 that Donald Trump

00:52:40.360 was of course

00:52:40.760 the worst sinner

00:52:41.200 who had ever sinned

00:52:41.780 and so now

00:52:43.440 there's so much mud

00:52:45.020 on Hunter

00:52:45.900 on Joe's

00:52:47.000 this by the way

00:52:47.920 is the reason why

00:52:48.360 he suddenly acknowledged

00:52:49.020 his seventh grandchild

00:52:49.760 because his final defense

00:52:51.080 in all this is going to be

00:52:51.880 I just love my family too much

00:52:52.960 they've moved the goalposts

00:52:54.420 the goalposts went from

00:52:55.120 I've never heard of my son's businesses

00:52:56.320 to I was never on calls

00:52:57.980 with my son's friends

00:52:58.940 to I'm not in business

00:53:00.920 with my son

00:53:01.660 and eventually

00:53:02.540 this is going to move to

00:53:03.460 of course I was in business

00:53:04.340 with my son

00:53:04.680 he was suffering

00:53:05.180 he was a crack addict

00:53:05.900 I love him too much

00:53:07.000 and then the comeback

00:53:07.920 by us was going to be

00:53:09.320 oh really

00:53:10.020 so if you're a member

00:53:10.780 of the family

00:53:11.260 then presumably

00:53:11.880 you love that person

00:53:12.760 and you take care of them

00:53:13.480 so why are you disowning

00:53:14.160 the seventh grandchild

00:53:14.920 and so he's preemptively

00:53:16.360 cutting that up

00:53:17.180 by saying

00:53:18.340 look now all of a sudden

00:53:19.820 I have a seventh

00:53:21.020 and I love this seventh grandchild

00:53:22.380 I love this seventh grandchild

00:53:23.460 by the way

00:53:24.000 it is by far

00:53:24.940 that that issue

00:53:25.940 must have been pulling terribly

00:53:27.120 which is why Maureen Dowd

00:53:28.000 was writing pieces about it

00:53:29.540 in the New York Times

00:53:30.120 which is the only

00:53:30.880 feedback channel

00:53:31.900 that Joe Biden

00:53:32.580 actually cares about

00:53:33.800 yeah it matters

00:53:34.680 and it matters

00:53:35.080 mainly in terms of turnout

00:53:36.200 the turnout is the way

00:53:37.440 that Biden loses the election

00:53:38.340 turnout

00:53:38.940 if the 150 people

00:53:41.240 show up to

00:53:41.660 150 million people

00:53:42.880 show up to vote

00:53:43.300 the way they did

00:53:43.680 in the last election cycle

00:53:44.500 Trump loses to Biden

00:53:45.360 if it goes back

00:53:46.540 to 130 million

00:53:47.640 140

00:53:48.380 135 million

00:53:49.740 Trump could easily sneak by

00:53:51.560 and this is the kind of thing

00:53:52.480 by the way

00:53:52.860 to be fair to Maureen Dowd

00:53:54.220 she has always been

00:53:55.140 really good on issues like this

00:53:56.360 she was good when Clinton

00:53:57.200 yeah that's right

00:53:58.000 and she's

00:53:58.840 this is what she stands up for

00:54:00.220 the defense

00:54:01.300 that was put forward

00:54:02.100 by Dan Goldman here

00:54:03.000 which was

00:54:03.600 that Joe was only

00:54:05.480 on the phone

00:54:05.880 talking about weather

00:54:06.660 is the most absurd defense

00:54:08.880 I think I have ever heard

00:54:10.700 I mean it's like

00:54:11.260 there are people laughing

00:54:12.300 at Donald Trump's

00:54:12.860 classified documents defenses

00:54:13.820 and frankly I think

00:54:14.820 deservedly in many cases

00:54:16.080 because they're silly

00:54:16.740 that it was golf plans

00:54:17.720 that he was waving around

00:54:18.400 Bedminster and so forth

00:54:19.260 that is not even remotely

00:54:20.940 in the same ballpark

00:54:21.760 in terms of just

00:54:22.660 embarrassingly bad defense

00:54:23.900 as the

00:54:24.700 he only was on the phone

00:54:26.240 with Hunter

00:54:26.840 during business meetings

00:54:27.860 to talk about the weather

00:54:28.800 as I said on the show today

00:54:30.020 like I'll be in business meetings

00:54:30.900 all the time

00:54:31.340 and my dad will call

00:54:32.100 because I'm really tight

00:54:32.560 with my dad

00:54:32.940 and you know what happens

00:54:34.120 either I don't pick up the phone

00:54:35.100 because I'm in a business meeting

00:54:35.880 and I text him

00:54:36.520 I'll call you back in a few

00:54:37.340 or I say

00:54:38.400 it might be an emergency guys

00:54:39.420 excuse me for a second

00:54:40.260 I walk out of the room

00:54:40.980 and I take the phone call

00:54:41.580 with my father

00:54:42.040 or I get on the phone

00:54:42.840 I say dad I'm sorry

00:54:43.540 I can't talk right now

00:54:44.240 hey pops everything good

00:54:45.320 okay fine bye

00:54:46.220 exactly

00:54:46.680 I'll tell you exactly

00:54:47.940 how these meetings went

00:54:48.580 and we all know how they went

00:54:49.400 the way these meetings went

00:54:50.380 is that Hunter Biden said

00:54:51.500 to the board of Burisma

00:54:52.500 I want $83,000

00:54:53.700 to help broker a deal

00:54:54.680 to get rid of Victor Shokan here

00:54:55.820 and they said

00:54:57.080 oh really

00:54:57.560 what can you do for us

00:54:58.540 and he said

00:54:58.780 well I am super tight

00:54:59.780 with my father

00:55:00.280 the vice president

00:55:00.840 of the United States

00:55:01.680 who's in charge of Ukraine policy

00:55:02.920 in fact we're so tight

00:55:03.680 that he picks up

00:55:04.200 every time I call the phone

00:55:05.140 watch

00:55:05.720 and then he picks up the phone

00:55:06.660 and he calls Joe

00:55:07.300 and he says

00:55:08.020 hi dad

00:55:08.740 I'm here with the partners

00:55:09.880 here at Burisma

00:55:10.880 say hello

00:55:12.120 oh hi

00:55:12.860 how's the weather over there in Kiev

00:55:14.060 that's great dad

00:55:15.000 I hope you're doing well

00:55:15.940 and I'll talk to you soon

00:55:16.940 click

00:55:17.400 end of conversation

00:55:18.360 because you've heard

00:55:19.100 the new defense of this is

00:55:20.340 no

00:55:21.420 these corrupt

00:55:22.920 Ukrainian businessmen

00:55:24.180 they didn't have access

00:55:25.880 to Joe Biden

00:55:27.040 they only had the illusion

00:55:28.600 of access

00:55:29.280 to which I say

00:55:30.520 that's called access

00:55:31.740 what's the difference

00:55:32.660 that's called access

00:55:33.400 that's like the guy

00:55:35.260 who's there to shake down

00:55:36.080 the bartender

00:55:36.640 and he calls up Al Capone

00:55:38.400 he says

00:55:38.740 you know Al

00:55:39.340 how's everything going over there

00:55:40.340 Al Capone picked up the phone

00:55:41.360 and he's like

00:55:41.800 oh it's going great

00:55:42.580 how are you

00:55:42.980 and he's like

00:55:43.260 well it's going great

00:55:43.800 and they hang up the phone

00:55:44.560 and then he turns to the guy

00:55:45.520 and he says

00:55:45.860 so it'll be $10,000

00:55:46.940 yeah exactly

00:55:48.040 or your bar burns down

00:55:49.000 and by the way

00:55:49.900 this defense

00:55:50.480 this defense that I never spoke

00:55:52.200 to my son about his business

00:55:53.300 is not actually a defense

00:55:54.740 if you went on the air

00:55:56.000 one day and suddenly said

00:55:57.140 you know abortion isn't so bad

00:55:58.700 your father would show up

00:55:59.800 at the door

00:56:00.900 and say you know

00:56:01.740 Ben I think you're making

00:56:02.760 a mistake here

00:56:03.460 because you're close to

00:56:04.620 Joe Biden is an enabler

00:56:05.600 okay

00:56:05.960 this is the other problem here

00:56:07.040 is that his entire case

00:56:08.100 is I love my son so much

00:56:09.160 that I do everything for my son

00:56:10.300 and my son is great

00:56:11.000 and all this kind of stuff

00:56:11.700 his son is a crack addict

00:56:13.240 the first rule of people

00:56:14.360 in your family

00:56:15.040 who have a drug addiction

00:56:15.740 is you deny them access

00:56:16.860 to money

00:56:17.320 is literally the first thing

00:56:18.900 you do

00:56:19.120 you do not provide them

00:56:20.000 access to large sums of capital

00:56:21.460 like $83,000

00:56:22.620 beyond that

00:56:23.420 it is beyond me

00:56:25.300 how the most smoking gun

00:56:26.880 of any smoking gun

00:56:27.980 in this entire story

00:56:29.040 is right out there

00:56:30.060 in the open

00:56:30.400 and everybody just pretends

00:56:31.220 it doesn't exist

00:56:31.720 which is a text

00:56:32.480 from Hunter Biden

00:56:33.280 to his daughter Naomi

00:56:34.580 in 2019

00:56:35.560 saying

00:56:36.460 at least you don't have

00:56:38.280 to pay my bills

00:56:39.020 the way I pay dad's bills

00:56:40.360 he literally says that

00:56:41.480 in a text message

00:56:42.120 do you think that he just

00:56:42.920 made that up

00:56:43.560 he literally says

00:56:45.020 I'm paying this entire

00:56:45.680 family's bills

00:56:46.260 and I pay pop's bills

00:56:47.360 but you know

00:56:47.740 just in terms of a timeline

00:56:49.480 Obama

00:56:50.400 who by the way

00:56:51.620 I've always said

00:56:52.200 was not money corrupt

00:56:53.320 Obama was too much

00:56:54.860 power corrupt

00:56:55.380 he was too much

00:56:56.100 of an ideologue

00:56:56.800 to be money corrupt

00:56:57.580 but Obama

00:56:58.980 puts Biden

00:57:00.180 in charge

00:57:01.260 of Ukraine corruption

00:57:02.600 and then Hunter Biden

00:57:04.440 has a job

00:57:05.300 at Burisma

00:57:05.940 and Biden doesn't

00:57:07.060 call him up

00:57:07.460 and say

00:57:07.680 no

00:57:08.260 I'm sorry

00:57:08.880 don't do that

00:57:09.580 that's a bad thing

00:57:10.660 and so they really are

00:57:11.920 in a kind of dance

00:57:12.680 of blackmail

00:57:13.260 the two of them

00:57:13.840 I think that they are

00:57:15.040 in a very very intense

00:57:16.380 criminal relationship

00:57:17.580 which

00:57:18.260 in which Biden

00:57:19.580 Joe Biden

00:57:20.300 may not be the power broker

00:57:21.700 you know

00:57:22.200 Hunter Biden

00:57:22.800 in a lot of ways

00:57:23.920 can say to him

00:57:24.600 you know

00:57:25.060 you got to keep me close

00:57:25.980 because if you don't

00:57:26.920 I'm going to tell the truth

00:57:28.100 you know

00:57:28.560 I think this is a very

00:57:29.460 complicated relationship

00:57:30.460 but the one thing

00:57:31.100 it's not

00:57:31.600 is clean

00:57:32.120 the one thing it's not

00:57:33.160 is just talking about

00:57:34.120 the weather

00:57:34.440 right

00:57:34.920 right

00:57:35.340 although I do love

00:57:35.940 that guy

00:57:36.220 that Goldman

00:57:36.920 he's

00:57:37.200 he's my favorite

00:57:38.640 he's really

00:57:39.320 hummina hummina hummina

00:57:40.100 now

00:57:40.820 let's say

00:57:42.380 Biden's out of it

00:57:43.120 then the alternatives are

00:57:44.560 Gavin Newsom

00:57:45.240 Gavin Newsom for sure

00:57:46.860 he's the

00:57:47.660 Whitmer

00:57:48.420 Buttigieg wants it

00:57:49.700 he's not going to get it

00:57:50.340 and then Kamala

00:57:51.100 did you see Kamala

00:57:51.960 came out this week

00:57:53.260 and attacked

00:57:54.380 Ron DeSantis

00:57:55.360 over the most

00:57:57.740 it was probably

00:57:58.780 her best performance

00:57:59.660 because she seemed

00:58:00.180 almost human here

00:58:00.980 but it was such a

00:58:02.900 ridiculous accusation

00:58:04.580 here she is

00:58:05.060 this is unnecessary

00:58:07.820 to debate

00:58:09.160 whether

00:58:09.920 enslaved people

00:58:11.500 benefited from slavery

00:58:12.700 are you kidding me

00:58:13.740 are we supposed

00:58:16.460 to debate that

00:58:17.700 let us not be

00:58:22.200 distracted

00:58:23.080 by what they're

00:58:25.300 trying to do

00:58:26.480 which is to

00:58:27.440 create

00:58:28.060 unnecessary

00:58:29.440 debates

00:58:30.320 to divide

00:58:31.300 our country

00:58:31.780 oh my god

00:58:33.560 so what was

00:58:34.100 oh the projection

00:58:34.840 oh the projection

00:58:35.920 this is your governor

00:58:36.880 debates to divide

00:58:37.820 the country

00:58:38.260 yeah

00:58:38.660 so this is your governor

00:58:39.620 he's being accused

00:58:40.340 of implementing

00:58:41.400 new standards

00:58:42.800 in education

00:58:43.580 that say that

00:58:44.480 black people

00:58:45.140 really actually

00:58:46.440 benefited

00:58:47.080 by the way

00:58:47.440 that's not what it said

00:58:48.300 not being accused

00:58:49.320 not just by

00:58:49.780 Kamala Harris

00:58:51.300 but by other

00:58:52.100 Republicans

00:58:52.520 which is the

00:58:54.740 much bigger

00:58:55.320 problem here

00:58:55.840 okay what does

00:58:56.340 the actual

00:58:56.800 standard say

00:58:57.360 what it actually

00:58:58.020 says is that

00:58:58.760 some slaves

00:58:59.480 learned skills

00:59:00.200 that they could

00:59:00.720 actively use

00:59:01.760 to their own

00:59:02.180 benefit post-slavery

00:59:03.220 while they were

00:59:03.740 slaves

00:59:04.060 which is not

00:59:04.460 a statement

00:59:04.760 about the

00:59:05.080 wonders of

00:59:05.460 slavery

00:59:05.720 it's a statement

00:59:06.800 about the

00:59:07.180 durability

00:59:07.700 and the human

00:59:09.420 heroism

00:59:10.060 of slaves

00:59:10.880 and it's one

00:59:11.420 line

00:59:11.700 one line

00:59:12.540 in 212

00:59:13.300 but the line

00:59:13.800 isn't even bad

00:59:14.300 it's in the AP

00:59:14.860 standards

00:59:15.280 it's literally

00:59:16.000 in the AP

00:59:16.480 standards

00:59:16.800 the AP standards

00:59:17.500 say that

00:59:17.880 slaves learned

00:59:18.560 skills

00:59:19.000 that they

00:59:19.460 then put

00:59:19.860 to use

00:59:20.180 for their

00:59:20.460 own benefit

00:59:20.900 afterward

00:59:21.540 it's exactly

00:59:22.180 the same

00:59:22.480 it's an up

00:59:22.700 from slavery

00:59:23.220 by Booker

00:59:23.740 Washington

00:59:24.000 they did

00:59:24.260 the same

00:59:24.560 thing

00:59:25.700 to Greg

00:59:26.400 Gutfeld

00:59:26.840 when he said

00:59:27.620 that Jews

00:59:28.740 survived by

00:59:30.640 being useful

00:59:31.180 the narrative

00:59:33.040 that Greg

00:59:33.740 is somehow

00:59:34.860 appeasing the

00:59:35.840 Holocaust

00:59:36.120 saying the

00:59:36.860 Holocaust

00:59:37.120 was a good

00:59:37.640 thing

00:59:37.900 is such a

00:59:38.700 childish

00:59:39.260 narrative

00:59:39.760 and the

00:59:40.080 narrative

00:59:40.480 that DeSantis

00:59:41.560 is pro-slavery

00:59:42.720 is so childish

00:59:43.340 in any other

00:59:43.880 context we recognize

00:59:44.660 this as a

00:59:45.140 tribute to the

00:59:45.740 person

00:59:46.020 like if there's

00:59:46.500 a story

00:59:46.860 I read

00:59:47.400 recently

00:59:47.600 there's a

00:59:47.880 story about

00:59:48.320 a man

00:59:50.560 in the

00:59:50.740 Holocaust

00:59:51.020 that learned

00:59:51.380 how to

00:59:51.960 sew

00:59:52.380 and then

00:59:53.100 later went

00:59:53.640 on to become

00:59:54.040 a world

00:59:54.300 famous tailor

00:59:54.940 using that

00:59:55.940 skill

00:59:56.220 and usually

00:59:56.600 if you wrote

00:59:58.060 a biography

00:59:58.660 of that man

00:59:59.380 not only would

01:00:00.140 you mention

01:00:00.560 that but that's

01:00:01.160 one of the

01:00:01.560 central facts

01:00:02.420 in the midst

01:00:03.980 of trial and

01:00:04.640 tribulation

01:00:05.120 you're able to

01:00:05.600 take something

01:00:06.140 and then use

01:00:07.360 that for success

01:00:08.020 later in life

01:00:08.680 and I think

01:00:09.080 everyone of course

01:00:09.700 understands

01:00:10.080 by the way

01:00:10.380 we were literally

01:00:11.460 told that that's

01:00:12.120 the story of

01:00:12.740 George Soros

01:00:13.880 that he learned

01:00:15.420 to basically

01:00:16.020 survive

01:00:16.420 and that those

01:00:16.800 survival skills

01:00:17.440 then translated

01:00:18.120 into his massive

01:00:19.040 wealth later on

01:00:20.140 because during the

01:00:20.780 Holocaust he was

01:00:21.440 actually like you

01:00:22.200 know finding objects

01:00:23.140 from killed Jews

01:00:24.260 and he was selling

01:00:24.880 them and and this

01:00:26.180 was a part of his

01:00:27.380 his kind of hero's

01:00:28.280 journey so the whole

01:00:29.520 thing is made up

01:00:30.600 nonsense

01:00:30.960 part of it is

01:00:34.580 is obviously

01:00:35.540 this is an attempt

01:00:36.160 to attack the

01:00:36.800 Santas is what

01:00:37.360 about but it's

01:00:37.800 also when it

01:00:38.580 comes to slavery

01:00:39.180 in particular

01:00:39.780 we've gotten to

01:00:41.240 the point now

01:00:41.800 where it's just

01:00:42.320 you're not allowed

01:00:43.060 to say anything

01:00:44.100 about it at all

01:00:45.320 other than it

01:00:46.200 was very bad

01:00:46.780 white people did

01:00:47.840 it was bad

01:00:48.380 and that's the

01:00:48.860 end of the

01:00:49.320 conversation about

01:00:50.000 slavery and if

01:00:51.060 you attempt to

01:00:51.640 expand it beyond

01:00:53.460 that in any

01:00:54.600 amount whatsoever

01:00:55.360 in tribute to

01:00:56.340 the slaves

01:00:56.780 right

01:00:57.080 and then it's

01:00:57.680 then it's

01:00:58.020 super duper

01:00:58.380 also to say

01:00:59.260 it was a black

01:01:00.480 historian

01:01:00.920 who wrote

01:01:01.340 these standards

01:01:01.820 that's correct

01:01:04.980 it's it's it's

01:01:05.840 really a point

01:01:07.080 of high irritation

01:01:07.600 but the media

01:01:08.100 are so invested

01:01:09.040 in the gaslighting

01:01:09.780 at this point

01:01:10.260 the other

01:01:11.040 republican candidates

01:01:11.880 who went after

01:01:12.360 this are so

01:01:13.120 it's so disreputable

01:01:14.720 it's so gross

01:01:15.620 to try and prop

01:01:16.900 up and what I

01:01:17.800 find amazing

01:01:18.280 about this is

01:01:18.800 that apparently

01:01:19.440 it's okay to do

01:01:20.340 against any other

01:01:20.900 republican you can't

01:01:21.600 do it against

01:01:21.900 trump right you

01:01:23.300 can't even say

01:01:23.740 true things about

01:01:24.340 trump but if you

01:01:25.360 say false things

01:01:26.160 about ronda

01:01:26.640 santus then

01:01:27.280 everybody just

01:01:27.660 kind of goes

01:01:27.920 well that's the

01:01:28.600 that's the name

01:01:29.060 of the game

01:01:29.420 that's that's

01:01:30.020 totally okay

01:01:30.520 you know

01:01:30.840 and I find

01:01:31.260 that I find

01:01:31.700 that really

01:01:32.140 different

01:01:32.380 imagine if

01:01:32.900 tim scott

01:01:33.440 came out

01:01:33.900 and called

01:01:34.380 and accused

01:01:35.180 trump of being

01:01:35.780 essentially racist

01:01:36.700 oh my god

01:01:37.400 everybody on the

01:01:37.980 right would

01:01:38.260 he'd be killed

01:01:39.400 by everybody

01:01:39.760 on the right

01:01:40.040 that's a good

01:01:40.760 point

01:01:40.940 but you could

01:01:41.240 do it against

01:01:41.620 de santus

01:01:42.260 but part of

01:01:43.040 that look

01:01:43.420 if it's a

01:01:44.300 campaign and

01:01:44.840 a campaign is

01:01:45.420 lobbying an

01:01:45.820 attack on

01:01:46.200 another campaign

01:01:46.880 you know

01:01:48.160 all is fair

01:01:48.800 in love and

01:01:49.360 war and

01:01:49.720 politics

01:01:50.200 but my fear

01:01:51.820 is if any

01:01:52.880 republicans are

01:01:53.820 sincerely making

01:01:55.480 this attack

01:01:55.980 it's so preposterous

01:01:56.680 and it cuts

01:01:57.240 at a deeper

01:01:57.700 level too

01:01:58.260 which is something

01:01:58.800 that has been

01:01:59.560 accepted by the

01:02:00.200 left and

01:02:01.060 unfortunately maybe

01:02:02.320 parts of the

01:02:02.800 right too

01:02:03.260 which is this

01:02:04.080 idea that

01:02:04.640 suffering is

01:02:05.960 just always

01:02:06.780 the worst thing

01:02:07.920 ever

01:02:08.120 morally evil

01:02:08.840 you know

01:02:09.540 many of the

01:02:10.480 moments when we

01:02:11.200 most grow

01:02:12.020 when we become

01:02:13.120 edified and

01:02:13.720 sanctified are in

01:02:15.020 our moments of

01:02:15.720 suffering in all

01:02:16.760 of our own lives

01:02:17.300 that doesn't make

01:02:17.760 the evil good

01:02:18.640 it doesn't alleviate

01:02:19.920 the responsibility

01:02:20.560 for the evil

01:02:21.260 it doesn't mean the

01:02:22.180 person who is doing

01:02:22.760 the evil to you

01:02:23.420 is somehow doing

01:02:24.020 you a favor

01:02:24.460 it's a ridiculous

01:02:26.560 ridiculous

01:02:27.020 are you saying

01:02:27.600 that slavery

01:02:28.080 was a program

01:02:28.820 that was meant

01:02:29.260 to help black

01:02:30.340 people grow

01:02:30.940 hold on

01:02:31.960 did I just

01:02:32.640 did media matters

01:02:33.480 just point out

01:02:34.320 that I said

01:02:34.920 that I love

01:02:35.440 slavery

01:02:35.960 really pro

01:02:37.380 slavery

01:02:38.860 or something

01:02:39.300 yeah

01:02:39.520 no I mean

01:02:40.060 that is so

01:02:41.200 disingenuous

01:02:42.160 now of course

01:02:43.040 the campaigns

01:02:43.680 are all going

01:02:44.060 to use this

01:02:44.480 they're all going

01:02:44.820 to try to

01:02:45.100 attack each other

01:02:45.680 and you make

01:02:46.440 a very good

01:02:47.180 point which is

01:02:47.680 that the attacks

01:02:48.900 on Trump right

01:02:49.560 now are not

01:02:50.140 forgiven quite so

01:02:51.100 easily as attacks

01:02:51.840 on the other

01:02:52.200 candidates notably

01:02:52.840 DeSantis who's

01:02:53.560 number two

01:02:54.220 but isn't that

01:02:54.880 just because

01:02:55.560 Trump is the

01:02:56.580 dominant frontrunner

01:02:57.520 right now

01:02:57.860 and so he's

01:02:58.240 got the mojo

01:02:58.840 it's it's because

01:03:00.280 any attack

01:03:01.420 on Trump

01:03:02.040 is perceived

01:03:02.740 by the right

01:03:03.620 as disingenuous

01:03:05.680 and an attack

01:03:06.400 on their

01:03:06.860 you're right

01:03:07.600 it's because

01:03:07.940 the frontrunner

01:03:08.340 but it's more

01:03:08.640 than that

01:03:08.980 Trump is

01:03:10.300 he is

01:03:11.660 I've come

01:03:12.380 to accept

01:03:12.800 this

01:03:13.040 he is

01:03:13.940 the greatest

01:03:14.500 instinctual

01:03:15.560 political

01:03:17.200 id factor

01:03:18.040 in the history

01:03:19.060 of politics

01:03:19.620 he really is

01:03:20.580 I mean

01:03:20.740 the guy

01:03:21.800 channels id

01:03:23.260 better than

01:03:23.680 anyone

01:03:24.120 ever

01:03:25.300 right

01:03:25.860 certainly

01:03:26.180 in electoral

01:03:26.580 politics

01:03:27.040 it is a

01:03:28.300 talent

01:03:28.580 it is a

01:03:29.060 skill

01:03:29.300 it's not

01:03:29.820 it is

01:03:30.280 instinctive

01:03:30.720 it's not

01:03:31.020 studied

01:03:31.380 he just

01:03:32.600 he has a

01:03:33.380 gift

01:03:33.680 for being

01:03:34.400 able to

01:03:34.780 get right

01:03:35.280 at what

01:03:35.720 people are

01:03:36.820 feeling

01:03:37.100 it's an

01:03:37.760 amazing

01:03:38.020 thing

01:03:38.340 and because

01:03:39.600 of that

01:03:40.060 visceral

01:03:40.600 connection

01:03:40.960 that he

01:03:41.200 has with

01:03:41.500 people

01:03:41.720 people also

01:03:42.460 feel a

01:03:42.760 visceral

01:03:42.980 connection

01:03:43.320 to defend

01:03:43.640 him

01:03:43.740 in a way

01:03:43.960 they don't

01:03:44.200 with DeSantis

01:03:44.620 they see

01:03:45.000 DeSantis

01:03:45.320 as a

01:03:45.940 professional

01:03:46.280 who gets

01:03:46.700 things done

01:03:47.180 and because

01:03:47.680 he's a

01:03:47.840 professional

01:03:48.120 who gets

01:03:48.440 things done

01:03:48.840 he can

01:03:49.080 take a

01:03:49.340 hit here

01:03:53.680 say the

01:03:54.120 thing

01:03:54.340 and Trump

01:03:54.640 says the

01:03:55.120 thing

01:03:55.340 that means

01:03:56.180 that if

01:03:56.600 he's attacked

01:03:57.220 you feel

01:03:57.820 personally

01:03:58.320 attacked

01:03:58.760 and wounded

01:03:59.100 and that

01:03:59.920 connection

01:04:00.280 is the

01:04:00.840 reason why

01:04:01.340 Trump is

01:04:01.820 leading the

01:04:02.320 field right

01:04:02.740 now

01:04:02.940 and what

01:04:03.280 that means

01:04:03.720 is that

01:04:04.380 unless Trump

01:04:05.160 stumbles

01:04:05.520 it's very

01:04:05.940 difficult to

01:04:06.260 see him

01:04:06.420 not being

01:04:06.680 the nominee

01:04:07.000 I want to

01:04:08.420 be the

01:04:08.660 minority

01:04:09.060 you think

01:04:09.580 he might

01:04:09.880 not be

01:04:10.120 the nominee

01:04:10.400 you think

01:04:11.400 he might

01:04:11.680 not be

01:04:11.940 the nominee

01:04:12.100 I won't

01:04:13.500 say that

01:04:13.860 I won't

01:04:14.080 go that

01:04:14.320 far

01:04:14.560 I can't

01:04:14.900 predict

01:04:15.060 the future

01:04:15.440 and he's

01:04:15.840 very far

01:04:16.380 ahead

01:04:16.640 but I

01:04:17.180 will say

01:04:17.780 that DeSantis

01:04:19.180 has started

01:04:19.700 to turn

01:04:20.140 himself

01:04:20.420 around

01:04:20.720 when he

01:04:21.120 came out

01:04:21.980 I was

01:04:22.700 very vocal

01:04:23.920 about the

01:04:24.440 fact that

01:04:24.760 he had

01:04:24.980 blown

01:04:25.380 the launch

01:04:26.040 of his

01:04:26.280 campaign

01:04:26.720 and that

01:04:27.260 he was

01:04:27.460 campaigning

01:04:27.960 badly

01:04:28.420 he's no

01:04:29.220 longer

01:04:29.540 campaigning

01:04:30.020 badly

01:04:30.340 he's actually

01:04:31.120 starting to

01:04:31.620 do some

01:04:31.940 very smart

01:04:32.580 stuff

01:04:32.940 and he

01:04:34.240 may be

01:04:34.580 a slow

01:04:35.020 burn

01:04:35.360 remember

01:04:36.120 at this

01:04:36.740 point

01:04:37.020 in the

01:04:37.640 primaries

01:04:38.280 Hillary

01:04:38.980 Clinton

01:04:39.260 wasn't

01:04:39.620 quite as

01:04:40.140 far

01:04:40.460 ahead of

01:04:41.420 Obama

01:04:41.780 as

01:04:42.240 Trump

01:04:42.600 is

01:04:42.880 but she

01:04:43.540 was far

01:04:44.000 ahead of

01:04:44.300 Obama

01:04:44.640 and Obama

01:04:45.160 was already

01:04:45.700 being counted

01:04:46.240 out

01:04:46.560 and I

01:04:47.320 think

01:04:47.740 you know

01:04:48.360 DeSantis

01:04:48.880 the more

01:04:50.220 you see

01:04:50.680 him

01:04:50.960 the better

01:04:52.020 you like

01:04:52.460 him

01:04:52.620 especially

01:04:53.180 in the

01:04:53.800 kind

01:04:54.060 of

01:04:54.180 conversation

01:04:54.640 he just

01:04:54.940 had

01:04:55.080 with

01:04:55.240 Brett

01:04:55.440 Baer

01:04:55.700 who went

01:04:56.300 after him

01:04:56.740 from the

01:04:57.140 left

01:04:57.320 Brett

01:04:57.520 Baer is

01:04:57.800 not a

01:04:58.020 leftist

01:04:58.300 but he

01:04:58.880 channeled

01:05:00.880 the left

01:05:01.140 wing

01:05:01.340 attacks

01:05:01.700 and DeSantis

01:05:02.580 handled them

01:05:03.240 professionally

01:05:04.040 and excellently

01:05:05.620 you know

01:05:06.460 there are

01:05:07.100 certain things

01:05:07.680 that he does

01:05:08.160 that he should

01:05:08.700 stop

01:05:09.100 the thing

01:05:09.500 with Florida

01:05:10.040 I've said

01:05:10.620 this before

01:05:11.380 but every

01:05:11.700 time he

01:05:11.900 mentions

01:05:12.100 Florida

01:05:12.460 I think

01:05:12.760 of band

01:05:13.160 camp

01:05:13.460 that one

01:05:14.260 time in

01:05:14.640 Florida

01:05:14.940 I think

01:05:16.160 he's got

01:05:16.620 to change

01:05:17.720 the way

01:05:17.920 he talks

01:05:18.320 a little bit

01:05:18.740 but he's

01:05:19.780 really good

01:05:20.680 at what

01:05:20.940 he's saying

01:05:21.420 and he

01:05:21.700 really knows

01:05:22.360 the issues

01:05:22.840 at a level

01:05:23.840 that Trump

01:05:24.360 simply doesn't

01:05:25.160 I think

01:05:25.480 that's going

01:05:26.280 to have a

01:05:27.060 long term

01:05:27.540 effect

01:05:27.840 I think

01:05:28.420 the only way

01:05:29.040 that changes

01:05:29.480 and I've

01:05:30.500 said this

01:05:30.840 out loud

01:05:31.600 many times

01:05:32.080 is

01:05:33.100 using the

01:05:34.980 Hillary-Obama

01:05:35.640 comparison

01:05:36.100 for a second

01:05:36.800 the reason

01:05:37.780 that Hillary

01:05:38.240 started to

01:05:39.080 collapse

01:05:39.520 in the polls

01:05:39.860 and Obama

01:05:40.180 started to

01:05:40.540 gain in the

01:05:40.820 polls

01:05:41.020 is because

01:05:41.420 there was

01:05:41.640 excitement

01:05:41.980 that was

01:05:42.240 built up

01:05:42.560 around Obama

01:05:43.080 and there

01:05:43.560 was no

01:05:43.820 excitement

01:05:44.060 about Hillary

01:05:44.460 there was

01:05:44.720 an idea

01:05:44.960 that she

01:05:45.200 was basically

01:05:45.580 owed it

01:05:45.960 and Obama

01:05:47.360 was the

01:05:47.740 fresh new

01:05:48.120 thing

01:05:48.400 who was

01:05:48.660 going to

01:05:48.960 change

01:05:49.300 the phase

01:05:49.840 right now

01:05:51.080 there is a

01:05:51.600 feeling that

01:05:51.940 Trump owes

01:05:52.260 it but he

01:05:52.580 also has

01:05:53.080 the excitement

01:05:53.500 of the base

01:05:53.820 behind him

01:05:54.240 and DeSantis

01:05:55.980 does not have

01:05:56.540 that yet

01:05:56.920 and the only

01:05:57.560 way to generate

01:05:58.040 that is

01:05:58.300 oppositionality

01:05:58.980 that's just

01:05:59.880 the dynamic

01:06:00.280 of the moment

01:06:00.680 and so

01:06:01.060 the issue

01:06:02.580 that I see

01:06:02.880 with the DeSantis

01:06:03.320 campaign

01:06:03.700 is that

01:06:04.440 every week

01:06:04.920 or so

01:06:05.140 they're rolling

01:06:05.540 out

01:06:05.740 like yesterday

01:06:06.540 he rolled

01:06:06.860 out an

01:06:07.060 economic plan

01:06:07.660 or something

01:06:08.000 and they

01:06:08.820 treat this

01:06:09.260 as though

01:06:09.540 this is

01:06:09.880 some sort

01:06:10.400 of political

01:06:11.260 point in his

01:06:11.720 favor

01:06:11.980 well it reminds

01:06:12.800 me more

01:06:13.000 of Elizabeth Warren

01:06:13.580 than anything

01:06:13.980 else

01:06:14.220 right

01:06:14.380 like every

01:06:14.780 two seconds

01:06:15.520 we're getting

01:06:15.880 a new plan

01:06:16.420 no one cares

01:06:17.860 about Ron DeSantis

01:06:18.520 economic plan

01:06:19.240 what they care

01:06:19.640 about is

01:06:19.920 can he punch

01:06:20.600 the left

01:06:20.920 directly where

01:06:21.440 it counts

01:06:21.760 because that's

01:06:22.380 the feeling

01:06:22.660 about Trump

01:06:23.320 rightly or

01:06:23.940 wrongly

01:06:24.180 I think

01:06:24.460 wrongly

01:06:24.760 I think

01:06:24.920 Trump punches

01:06:25.320 in every

01:06:25.580 direction

01:06:25.880 and sometimes

01:06:26.580 he punches

01:06:26.980 the left

01:06:27.500 directly in the

01:06:27.980 jaw

01:06:28.100 and sometimes

01:06:28.400 he punches

01:06:28.720 himself

01:06:29.000 directly in the

01:06:29.500 nuts

01:06:29.680 I think

01:06:30.120 it's like

01:06:30.400 it just

01:06:31.220 depends on

01:06:31.540 the day

01:06:31.800 is that

01:06:33.160 better than

01:06:33.460 people who

01:06:33.760 aren't

01:06:33.880 punching at

01:06:34.200 all

01:06:34.300 sure

01:06:34.480 because

01:06:34.660 sometimes

01:06:34.940 the left

01:06:35.140 gets

01:06:35.280 punched

01:06:35.500 in the

01:06:35.700 jaw

01:06:35.880 but it

01:06:36.300 also means

01:06:36.600 he punches

01:06:36.840 himself

01:06:37.040 in the

01:06:37.220 nuts

01:06:37.340 a lot

01:06:37.600 so what

01:06:38.380 I prefer

01:06:38.700 is somebody

01:06:38.960 who punches

01:06:39.320 the left

01:06:39.600 consistently

01:06:40.080 the problem

01:06:40.700 with DeSantis

01:06:41.120 campaign so

01:06:41.780 far

01:06:42.000 is that

01:06:43.060 for a brief

01:06:43.720 moment in

01:06:44.180 time

01:06:44.460 right after

01:06:45.040 the interim

01:06:45.280 election

01:06:45.640 there was a

01:06:46.200 feeling like

01:06:46.620 DeSantis

01:06:47.000 was a

01:06:47.440 weaponized

01:06:47.860 version of

01:06:48.340 Trump

01:06:48.600 who would

01:06:49.020 just go

01:06:49.320 right at

01:06:49.780 the left

01:06:50.120 and he

01:06:50.660 would shed

01:06:51.580 the possibility

01:06:52.400 that Trump

01:06:53.500 was going to

01:06:54.960 lose to

01:06:55.320 Biden

01:06:55.580 and he's

01:06:56.540 been hampered

01:06:56.940 by effectively

01:06:57.720 three factors

01:06:58.440 factor number

01:06:59.240 one is the

01:07:00.080 fact that

01:07:00.740 Trump sucks

01:07:01.980 all the air

01:07:02.800 out of the

01:07:03.140 room and that

01:07:03.700 that is a

01:07:04.640 real phenomenon

01:07:05.340 I mean

01:07:05.560 Trump sucks

01:07:05.980 all the air

01:07:06.360 out of the

01:07:06.580 room and

01:07:07.380 it's really

01:07:08.960 four factors

01:07:09.360 that's factor

01:07:09.800 number one

01:07:10.040 Trump's

01:07:10.260 factor number

01:07:11.380 two

01:07:11.620 Biden's

01:07:12.280 low poll

01:07:12.740 numbers are

01:07:13.120 really hurting

01:07:13.680 DeSantis

01:07:14.000 because his

01:07:15.020 electability

01:07:15.580 argument was

01:07:16.400 a very solid

01:07:16.820 argument in

01:07:17.440 January of

01:07:17.840 2023 and

01:07:18.980 it's not

01:07:19.220 nearly a solid

01:07:19.760 argument when

01:07:20.240 Joe Biden

01:07:20.520 is running

01:07:20.840 in the low

01:07:21.120 40s and

01:07:21.780 is running

01:07:22.080 directly even

01:07:23.000 with Donald

01:07:23.720 Trump and

01:07:24.140 in national

01:07:24.500 polling DeSantis

01:07:25.340 isn't blowing

01:07:25.940 Biden out

01:07:26.600 because the

01:07:27.240 electability

01:07:27.620 argument doesn't

01:07:28.140 exist by the

01:07:28.560 polling data

01:07:28.940 it doesn't

01:07:29.800 I think

01:07:30.300 that's false

01:07:31.920 but I think

01:07:32.720 it's not the

01:07:33.200 way people

01:07:33.520 vote

01:07:33.720 third his

01:07:37.020 main point

01:07:38.160 in terms of

01:07:38.740 politics of

01:07:39.780 differentiation

01:07:40.180 from everybody

01:07:40.760 else was

01:07:41.040 COVID no one

01:07:42.180 wants to hear

01:07:42.580 the word

01:07:42.800 COVID ever

01:07:43.220 again for

01:07:43.540 the rest

01:07:43.740 of their

01:07:43.920 life and

01:07:44.620 the DeSantis

01:07:45.060 campaign I

01:07:45.580 know has

01:07:45.960 internal polling

01:07:46.560 numbers showing

01:07:46.980 this when he

01:07:47.660 mentions COVID

01:07:48.160 people turn

01:07:48.540 off the TV

01:07:48.980 really because

01:07:49.820 yeah for the

01:07:50.580 same reason

01:07:50.920 that we did

01:07:51.420 this after the

01:07:51.940 19 1920

01:07:53.400 influenza right

01:07:54.460 when that

01:07:54.900 happened everybody

01:07:56.060 just said I

01:07:56.760 don't want to

01:07:57.040 talk about this

01:07:57.420 anymore it was a

01:07:57.960 terrible time we

01:07:58.540 didn't like the

01:07:58.920 lockdowns we want

01:07:59.560 to move beyond

01:07:59.960 that we don't want

01:08:00.600 to think about it

01:08:01.000 do you want to

01:08:01.300 think about the

01:08:02.720 thing about it

01:08:03.100 it's negative

01:08:03.480 and it's nasty

01:08:04.120 and it's kind

01:08:04.600 of like just

01:08:05.400 yeah and who

01:08:06.380 wants to think

01:08:07.020 about that so

01:08:07.880 like people don't

01:08:08.840 want to hear about

01:08:09.300 COVID and when he

01:08:09.820 mentions Fauci even

01:08:10.940 Fauci who the

01:08:11.620 right hates they

01:08:12.760 don't hate him

01:08:13.000 enough that we

01:08:13.340 want to think

01:08:13.600 about COVID when

01:08:14.680 people say

01:08:15.020 Fauci I mean I

01:08:15.640 can tell by the

01:08:16.080 traffic on the

01:08:16.500 site if we put

01:08:17.020 Fauci articles on

01:08:17.800 the site nobody

01:08:18.980 cares so that

01:08:19.980 that's that's

01:08:20.500 point number three

01:08:21.040 and point number

01:08:21.660 four is that he

01:08:22.240 has basically run a

01:08:23.180 campaign on the

01:08:23.720 basis of his

01:08:24.820 record and his

01:08:25.460 policies you can't

01:08:26.740 run that campaign

01:08:27.460 against Donald

01:08:27.980 Trump everybody

01:08:28.520 tried that in

01:08:29.200 2016 and it

01:08:30.000 failed the only way

01:08:31.000 to run a campaign

01:08:31.560 against Donald

01:08:32.000 Trump is to

01:08:32.440 generate enough

01:08:33.460 excitement based on

01:08:34.540 your oppositionality

01:08:35.340 to the left and

01:08:35.820 so he spent the

01:08:36.300 first part of his

01:08:36.840 campaign not doing

01:08:37.400 any unfriendly

01:08:38.220 interviews knowing

01:08:39.320 they were going to

01:08:39.720 sandbag him because

01:08:40.360 they were but the

01:08:41.760 reality is the reason

01:08:42.520 why DeSantis was

01:08:43.020 popular was not

01:08:43.940 just his COVID

01:08:44.500 policies Brian

01:08:45.120 Kemp pursued the

01:08:45.720 same exact COVID

01:08:46.240 policies the reason

01:08:47.200 DeSantis became a

01:08:47.780 national figure is

01:08:48.380 because the media

01:08:48.800 made him the enemy

01:08:49.640 they decided that

01:08:50.640 Andrew Cuomo was the

01:08:51.640 greatest governor

01:08:52.020 of the world and

01:08:52.580 Ron DeSantis was

01:08:53.300 Ron DeSantis and

01:08:54.480 so he started

01:08:54.940 punching back in the

01:08:55.660 media and that's

01:08:56.500 when false

01:08:57.040 narrative right

01:08:58.000 and correct and

01:08:59.220 that is when he

01:08:59.720 started to climb and

01:09:00.860 suddenly became sort

01:09:01.500 of the new face the

01:09:02.440 fresh face of the

01:09:02.940 Republican Party the

01:09:03.920 only way to recapture

01:09:04.740 that magic is to go

01:09:05.660 into dark spaces and

01:09:06.860 fight monsters right he

01:09:07.800 needs to go he needs

01:09:08.600 to go into he needs

01:09:09.500 to go on George

01:09:09.900 Stephanopoulos' show he

01:09:11.220 needs to wait until

01:09:11.780 George Stephanopoulos

01:09:12.520 asks him about book

01:09:13.620 bans in Florida and

01:09:14.600 then he needs to wreck

01:09:15.240 him yeah right that

01:09:16.260 that's what he

01:09:16.620 actually needs to do

01:09:17.220 and he's not going to

01:09:17.660 do that in the

01:09:17.960 interview with Brett

01:09:18.340 Baer as much as I

01:09:19.340 like that interview or

01:09:20.120 with Jake Tapper or

01:09:20.880 with Megyn Kelly when I

01:09:22.100 say he's turned a

01:09:23.140 corner I mean

01:09:24.120 literally he's turned a

01:09:25.180 corner he hasn't

01:09:25.740 gone down the road yet

01:09:26.720 and I think that the

01:09:29.720 setup for doing exactly

01:09:31.000 what you're talking

01:09:31.500 about and I think

01:09:32.300 you're absolutely right

01:09:33.360 about this he has to

01:09:34.340 go into the left and

01:09:36.220 talk to them because

01:09:37.280 that's what we want to

01:09:38.020 see him do so that

01:09:38.840 leaves the question of

01:09:39.540 what how does he

01:09:41.040 handle Trump what is

01:09:42.240 what is it what is

01:09:43.500 his approach to Trump

01:09:44.240 now I personally think

01:09:45.620 that there was that a

01:09:47.740 few weeks ago there

01:09:48.460 was the video that

01:09:49.400 the DeSantis camp put

01:09:51.600 out attacking Trump

01:09:53.000 for kowtowing to the

01:09:54.140 LGBT cult and it was

01:09:56.300 like roundly condemned

01:09:57.740 by the left and even

01:09:58.640 people in the Trump

01:09:59.280 camp said that he's

01:09:59.720 anti-gay I personally

01:10:02.560 think that's when

01:10:03.780 going after Trump

01:10:04.420 that's exactly what

01:10:05.140 he needs to be doing

01:10:05.760 I agree that the fact

01:10:08.360 that Trump didn't

01:10:08.840 fire Fauci should matter

01:10:10.320 a lot it doesn't

01:10:11.640 though for but the

01:10:12.680 but painting Trump

01:10:14.760 and pointing out that

01:10:16.000 okay this guy is to

01:10:16.820 the left of me but

01:10:17.860 that was cultural

01:10:18.500 issues that was the

01:10:19.440 Cruz strategy in 2016

01:10:20.920 was hey Trump is

01:10:22.320 squishy on some of the

01:10:23.480 LGBT issues and I'm

01:10:25.240 going to be the

01:10:25.620 consistent cultural

01:10:26.780 conservative and he

01:10:27.780 did it very effectively

01:10:28.740 came in number two

01:10:30.640 now you might say he

01:10:31.640 only came in number two

01:10:32.440 because you know

01:10:33.340 Marco Rubio didn't

01:10:34.520 drop out before Florida

01:10:35.500 and because you know

01:10:36.600 that stuff also matters

01:10:37.780 now much more than it

01:10:38.880 did in 2016

01:10:39.460 that's true

01:10:39.880 nobody was talking

01:10:40.660 in 2016 the

01:10:41.880 conservatives given up

01:10:42.620 on all LGBT trans

01:10:43.800 wasn't a discussion

01:10:44.520 among most

01:10:45.660 now it really matters

01:10:47.280 now people understand

01:10:48.100 that the pride flag is

01:10:49.940 they understand what it

01:10:50.860 is and it represents

01:10:51.600 what it does

01:10:51.920 also Cruz did something

01:10:53.600 else which was my

01:10:54.340 good friend Donald

01:10:55.000 and that was a big

01:10:56.920 mistake that he was

01:10:58.120 he basically bet that

01:10:59.680 Trump would eat him

01:11:00.520 last and I think

01:11:01.700 that's exactly

01:11:02.500 he's incredibly

01:11:02.940 deferential

01:11:03.420 and I love Cruz

01:11:06.440 Cruz is like politically

01:11:07.520 my spirit animal but he

01:11:08.760 has a problem with

01:11:09.420 women you know not

01:11:10.680 not in his personal

01:11:11.580 life but as voters

01:11:12.500 he's pretty fun

01:11:13.220 yeah no as voters

01:11:14.400 they don't like him

01:11:15.240 I think that the only

01:11:17.240 there's two possible

01:11:19.060 strategies for

01:11:19.620 to stand

01:11:19.820 I can see him

01:11:20.200 choosing either one

01:11:20.760 one strategy is that

01:11:22.080 he basically says

01:11:23.680 I'm not running

01:11:24.900 against Trump as

01:11:26.400 much as I'm out

01:11:27.220 I'm outpacing him

01:11:28.900 right because the

01:11:30.300 the problem with

01:11:30.880 Trump is that yeah

01:11:31.880 like basically he

01:11:33.340 goes into the let's

01:11:34.060 say he does the

01:11:34.600 things we're talking

01:11:35.160 about he goes and

01:11:35.560 he punches the left

01:11:36.200 and he does it

01:11:36.580 effectively and then

01:11:37.180 he says listen I

01:11:37.600 just do this better

01:11:38.060 than Trump does

01:11:38.600 right like I'm doing

01:11:40.100 this you can see

01:11:40.680 they're afraid of me

01:11:41.200 you can see what

01:11:41.700 they're doing and you

01:11:42.300 start building momentum

01:11:43.020 that way and

01:11:43.920 suddenly he becomes

01:11:44.660 the DeSantis of

01:11:45.500 2020 during the

01:11:46.680 pandemic as opposed

01:11:47.500 to the DeSantis of

01:11:48.040 2023 that that's

01:11:49.480 that's strategy number

01:11:50.200 one I think it's

01:11:50.820 probably the best

01:11:51.440 strategy because what

01:11:52.580 the data show are

01:11:53.340 that attacks on

01:11:53.880 Trump backfire on

01:11:54.460 everybody who does

01:11:55.000 them in the

01:11:55.280 Republican Party

01:11:55.820 yes every single

01:11:56.640 attack not it

01:11:57.320 doesn't matter what

01:11:57.800 they are

01:11:57.980 policy attacks any

01:12:00.380 attack any attack on

01:12:01.580 Trump because again

01:12:02.480 he's got that kind of

01:12:03.440 id connection with the

01:12:04.460 base Teflon Don baby

01:12:05.680 with the base for sure

01:12:07.240 not with the American

01:12:08.100 public which is a

01:12:08.780 problem for a general

01:12:09.420 right in order to be

01:12:10.400 Teflon Ron you have

01:12:11.300 to win you know

01:12:12.180 49 states in order to

01:12:13.580 be Teflon Don you have

01:12:14.420 to lose an election and

01:12:15.360 then lose a midterm

01:12:15.960 election and then lose

01:12:16.680 several special elections

01:12:17.680 they're like Teflon I'm

01:12:19.300 only gonna call you

01:12:19.760 Teflon if you actually

01:12:20.700 you know number one

01:12:22.280 don't go to jail and

01:12:22.860 number two become

01:12:23.360 president again if he

01:12:24.120 becomes president again

01:12:24.860 then he truly is

01:12:25.540 Teflon if you go to

01:12:26.200 jail that's a mark in

01:12:27.160 your favor as far as I'm

01:12:28.620 the real narrative as far as

01:12:30.580 I'm concerned the actual

01:12:31.420 true narrative is that

01:12:32.940 Trump was a godsend that

01:12:34.500 turned the Republican

01:12:35.540 party around that's

01:12:36.560 focused it on the things

01:12:37.540 that need focusing about

01:12:38.340 he opened the road to a

01:12:40.280 conservative future I

01:12:41.380 really do believe this it

01:12:43.160 is DeSantis who is more

01:12:44.660 equipped to go down that

01:12:45.580 road it's a hard argument

01:12:46.800 to make because it's

01:12:47.640 essentially saying I'm the

01:12:48.620 better Trump and nobody

01:12:49.780 is the better Trump Trump

01:12:50.680 is he's also gonna have

01:12:51.480 to at some point say that

01:12:52.160 Trump lost and this is no

01:12:54.020 I think this is a real

01:12:55.040 thing that's cannot say

01:12:56.320 that you are more

01:12:56.940 electable than the guy

01:12:57.840 if the base thinks he

01:12:59.180 won yeah that's not a

01:13:00.280 possible argument there's

01:13:00.900 this other problem which

01:13:01.820 is we keep trying to

01:13:03.000 evaluate Trump's candidacy

01:13:04.160 as though it were some

01:13:04.860 normal year this is the

01:13:06.380 first time since 1888

01:13:08.000 that a president has run

01:13:09.240 for a non-consecutive

01:13:10.200 second term yeah so he is

01:13:11.780 running for all intents and

01:13:13.660 purposes as the incumbent

01:13:15.300 which is why a lot of the

01:13:16.600 strategies that were

01:13:17.400 intended to quash him have

01:13:19.020 not worked so then in

01:13:20.480 terms of bringing the

01:13:21.200 fight to the left there's I

01:13:23.100 had been long opposed to

01:13:25.720 impeachment without a

01:13:27.100 strong legal foundation of

01:13:28.800 of Biden even though they

01:13:30.180 impeached Trump for you

01:13:31.340 know waking up too early

01:13:32.340 where are you now the GOP

01:13:35.420 has started to indicate that

01:13:37.600 they might impeach him

01:13:38.880 roundtable what are we are

01:13:41.040 we pro impeachment now I'm

01:13:42.680 with Kevin McCarthy I think a

01:13:44.180 an impeachment inquiry is the

01:13:46.140 way to go and so I think

01:13:47.760 they need to go a little

01:13:48.320 further down the road before

01:13:49.060 the inquiry opens because

01:13:49.920 once you have the inquiry

01:13:50.680 then there has to be a

01:13:51.400 conclusion okay right but I

01:13:54.140 know I think we can't make

01:13:55.560 the promise without giving

01:13:56.200 the guarantee no but I

01:13:57.060 think we're there I think

01:13:57.760 we are in terms of well I

01:13:59.640 see I see your point

01:14:00.760 politically if it if it

01:14:01.620 added actual right so if it

01:14:02.760 added actual legal power

01:14:04.340 yeah then sure it doesn't

01:14:06.160 add actual legal power

01:14:06.940 right then declaring an

01:14:09.040 impeachment inquiry doesn't

01:14:10.020 add like additional subpoena

01:14:11.000 power it's like they have

01:14:11.940 additional compulsory power

01:14:13.060 no but I still I still

01:14:14.980 think it depends on if you

01:14:15.760 are willing to don't you

01:14:17.940 know don't pull the trigger

01:14:19.140 unless you're willing to

01:14:19.720 see where the bullet goes

01:14:20.320 yeah and so I do think

01:14:21.860 this thing with this bribe you

01:14:23.660 know I like maybe I'm the

01:14:25.260 last president in America

01:14:26.100 thinks it's not a good

01:14:26.860 thing that the vice

01:14:27.540 president should be bribed

01:14:28.360 for five oh no no I think

01:14:29.300 I think I think listen I

01:14:31.500 think it's a very real

01:14:32.100 thing and I think it is

01:14:32.900 absolutely moving in that

01:14:33.940 direction I think we're

01:14:34.600 about two steps away okay

01:14:35.720 right so I I'm not saying

01:14:37.160 that they shouldn't do it

01:14:38.080 yeah I'm just saying that

01:14:39.140 I think at this point it

01:14:40.320 looks a little bit eager

01:14:41.180 and premature and so they

01:14:43.000 should you know they should

01:14:44.520 actually try to subpoena the

01:14:45.900 president I think they

01:14:46.680 should actually there are

01:14:47.500 like a few things they need

01:14:48.260 to do they should they

01:14:48.820 should actually try to

01:14:50.020 subpoena the members of the

01:14:51.740 DOJ who tried to sign the

01:14:53.080 Hunter Biden sweetheart

01:14:53.720 plea agreement I think we

01:14:55.120 should see the Devin

01:14:56.240 Archer transcript first

01:14:57.640 which I totally agree

01:14:58.640 see this is another thing

01:14:59.340 right yeah like I when

01:15:00.280 the left says okay so

01:15:01.160 show us the transcript I'm

01:15:02.000 there yeah that's fine with

01:15:03.000 me I mean I'm for I'm

01:15:04.260 for full transparency

01:15:04.920 let's see what he said

01:15:06.020 yeah Matt you pro

01:15:07.180 impeachment oh absolutely

01:15:08.300 I have been from the

01:15:09.080 beginning yeah from day

01:15:10.780 one yeah there's something

01:15:13.080 else I do want to get to

01:15:14.160 on which we'll probably

01:15:15.600 have to get more into it

01:15:16.860 for the member segment so

01:15:18.520 for the hoi floi out

01:15:19.340 there watching on YouTube

01:15:20.140 go on over dailywire.com

01:15:21.960 you become a member

01:15:22.880 Ben you have a new

01:15:23.700 show out which is where

01:15:25.700 you just do a very Ben

01:15:27.040 like thing and you just

01:15:28.020 dispel all feelings

01:15:29.120 whatsoever and just go

01:15:30.100 down this litany of facts

01:15:31.660 and it's got very cool

01:15:32.860 graphics about it yeah

01:15:33.720 and there's a picture of

01:15:34.180 Neen's sunglasses it's

01:15:35.000 very just like Joe

01:15:35.920 Biden there's strong

01:15:36.700 energy going on I would

01:15:38.020 say in that picture so

01:15:39.720 in it you're you're going

01:15:40.820 after something that is

01:15:41.900 not often talked about

01:15:43.280 and it's it everyone

01:15:44.980 knows about ESG or

01:15:46.200 maybe you've at least

01:15:46.800 heard that that

01:15:47.700 initialism the one that

01:15:49.220 a lot of people don't

01:15:49.820 know about is GARM

01:15:50.720 the global alliance for

01:15:52.060 responsible media which

01:15:53.540 is another one of these

01:15:54.360 just bloated multinational

01:15:56.040 corporatist kind of

01:15:57.000 globalist awful things

01:15:58.040 and and you went in and

01:15:59.560 broke it down because we

01:16:00.420 got some information that

01:16:01.560 that Facebook was

01:16:03.340 colluding with the Biden

01:16:04.660 administration to really

01:16:05.980 clamp down not just on

01:16:07.480 misinformation on

01:16:08.960 memes and GARM is is

01:16:13.080 like a big figure in the

01:16:14.360 room here here's just a

01:16:15.300 little clip from the new

01:16:16.100 show

01:16:16.300 GARM is a cross-industry

01:16:25.420 alliance that brings these

01:16:26.880 mega corporations the

01:16:27.920 advertisers together with

01:16:29.580 big tech companies like

01:16:30.640 Meta who owns Facebook and

01:16:32.100 Instagram Google owned

01:16:33.540 YouTube the CCP's TikTok

01:16:35.140 and even Snapchat and

01:16:36.800 Pinterest this unholy

01:16:38.180 alliance created something

01:16:39.240 they call the brand safety

01:16:40.920 floor and suitability

01:16:42.060 framework think of brand

01:16:43.500 safety as a dog whistle for

01:16:44.860 censorship they say it

01:16:46.180 themselves the brand safety

01:16:47.620 floor means quote content

01:16:49.180 not appropriate for any

01:16:50.540 advertising support in other

01:16:52.300 words if you publish content

01:16:54.060 that violates these

01:16:55.100 guidelines you will be

01:16:56.660 blacklisted from 90% of the

01:16:58.880 advertising revenue in the

01:17:00.240 marketplace if you think

01:17:01.600 this is only something big

01:17:02.800 news corporations have to

01:17:03.820 contend with think again

01:17:05.100 even the content you consume

01:17:06.640 from independent content

01:17:07.660 creators on social media

01:17:08.760 platforms like the one on

01:17:10.100 which you're watching this

01:17:10.780 video is subject to these

01:17:12.440 globalist powers that be so

01:17:14.460 for example my friend Matt

01:17:15.860 Walsh he was demonetized on

01:17:17.580 YouTube why well because he

01:17:19.360 says that men are not women

01:17:21.000 the same was true on TikTok

01:17:22.600 another GARM member where

01:17:23.940 Daily Wire hosts are

01:17:24.840 routinely hit with content

01:17:26.120 strikes and various bands

01:17:27.100 for saying things like men are

01:17:28.780 not women or for example if

01:17:30.260 you question the accepted

01:17:31.380 wisdom on COVID so for

01:17:32.960 example let's say you say

01:17:33.980 that vaccines not great for

01:17:35.380 kids no evidence kids need

01:17:36.820 them kids aren't dying from

01:17:38.160 COVID if you say any of those

01:17:39.720 things GARM WF WFA they will

01:17:42.380 crack down on you with

01:17:43.360 alacrity

01:17:43.800 why aren't you wearing those

01:17:51.340 glasses now that looks great

01:17:52.540 right I really like the

01:17:54.060 glasses

01:17:54.200 yeah no it's it's it's it's a

01:17:57.260 great looking series the

01:17:58.520 production team does a really

01:17:59.660 amazing job in terms of

01:18:01.240 inserting the graphics that

01:18:02.220 are necessary to understand

01:18:03.260 really complex sets of facts

01:18:05.040 the thing that our first our

01:18:06.260 first video in which is out

01:18:07.860 now right which is out right

01:18:08.660 now over on YouTube is is

01:18:10.360 that it's breaking down what

01:18:11.780 is a very complex issue and

01:18:13.080 it does require visual aids

01:18:14.340 to really understand all

01:18:15.320 this because this is how the

01:18:16.640 left hides the ball right in

01:18:17.660 the same way that if you

01:18:18.300 really want to understand you

01:18:19.280 know how the money is moving

01:18:20.040 with Hunter Biden and his

01:18:20.700 friends you kind of need a

01:18:21.380 flow chart well that that's

01:18:22.600 that's kind of what facts is

01:18:23.480 it's a visual flow chart that's

01:18:24.720 going to explain really

01:18:25.600 complex issues in ways that

01:18:27.620 you can understand and

01:18:28.620 encapsulate and send your

01:18:29.480 friends so the next time

01:18:30.480 somebody asks you is

01:18:31.760 censorship happening on

01:18:32.800 YouTube and why you just

01:18:34.080 send them the video and

01:18:35.160 that answers all the

01:18:35.780 questions for them in a

01:18:36.600 visually I think exciting

01:18:37.680 way so this is one of

01:18:38.600 these new bombshells that

01:18:39.780 no one's talking about and

01:18:40.740 I think the left is trying

01:18:41.960 to hide it the right is

01:18:43.220 just so demoralized that we

01:18:44.480 think none of this matters

01:18:45.280 but these files came out

01:18:46.980 showing that Facebook was

01:18:49.120 suppressing conservatives we

01:18:50.280 all know that but they were

01:18:51.440 they were suppressing

01:18:52.180 conservatives because the

01:18:54.260 Biden administration was

01:18:55.120 saying hey that lab leak

01:18:56.300 theory about Wuhan yeah you

01:18:58.380 got to suppress that hey

01:18:59.440 any memes memes joking about

01:19:03.200 COVID you got to suppress

01:19:04.820 those too and Facebook

01:19:05.960 complied and these are

01:19:06.940 clear first amendment

01:19:07.520 violations which is why a

01:19:09.040 judge has already ruled that

01:19:09.940 the Biden administration is

01:19:10.820 not really allowed to reach

01:19:11.720 out to the any of the

01:19:12.500 social media networks and

01:19:13.360 tell them to take things

01:19:14.000 down anymore they're saying

01:19:14.920 that that is effectively

01:19:16.080 speaking a first amendment

01:19:16.900 violation because it

01:19:17.940 absolutely is if the if the

01:19:19.540 federal government invades

01:19:20.680 your home and tells you

01:19:21.800 that you have to censor your

01:19:22.980 friend that's a first

01:19:24.160 amendment violation even if

01:19:25.280 you're the one who's

01:19:25.740 technically doing the

01:19:26.400 censoring of your friend

01:19:27.060 and so that's that's really

01:19:28.940 where we are right now it's

01:19:30.460 it's an incredibly dangerous

01:19:31.240 place I mean you know how bad

01:19:32.040 the censorship is when even

01:19:33.380 members of the internal team

01:19:34.460 at Facebook were like I'm

01:19:36.100 not sure that we should do

01:19:37.100 this like I think this is a

01:19:38.060 kind of and that was

01:19:38.740 actually some of the

01:19:39.200 feedback they're like are we

01:19:40.340 going to censor memes now is

01:19:41.520 that like really a thing that

01:19:42.380 we're going to do I mean

01:19:43.920 that that's that's how

01:19:44.600 strong one of the things that

01:19:45.800 we don't understand people

01:19:46.780 who are in this business

01:19:47.880 don't understand we are

01:19:49.820 protected by the first

01:19:50.720 amendment in ways that

01:19:51.800 ordinary people are not we

01:19:53.600 can go out and say things

01:19:54.500 and we can sort of parade the

01:19:55.600 fact that you know we're not

01:19:57.060 we don't care for canceled

01:19:58.220 come on come and get us and

01:19:59.600 all this stuff and we can

01:20:00.380 sort of strut around and be

01:20:01.920 brave because we are

01:20:02.900 protected by the first

01:20:03.720 amendment a guy who's in an

01:20:05.520 insurance company you know

01:20:06.660 normal you know white collar

01:20:08.280 to blue collar job who has

01:20:09.660 to go into HR and sign a

01:20:11.820 document saying men can't

01:20:13.200 become he has no protection

01:20:14.400 whatsoever so they're already

01:20:15.880 living in the censorship world

01:20:17.400 and when you reveal these

01:20:18.840 things which are shocking to

01:20:20.500 someone like me beyond my

01:20:22.280 ability to express they're

01:20:23.780 not shocked at all because

01:20:24.840 they're already living in that

01:20:25.920 world and you have to make

01:20:27.760 them understand that they're

01:20:29.340 going to have to fight back

01:20:30.240 they're going to have to the

01:20:30.940 little guy is going to have to

01:20:31.920 fight back and we're going to

01:20:32.940 have to give them some kind

01:20:34.300 of cover because they're

01:20:35.220 going to need legal help

01:20:36.900 they're going to need

01:20:37.640 organizational help that an

01:20:39.900 ordinary single guy does not

01:20:41.900 have he's got to feed his

01:20:43.060 family you know he's got to

01:20:44.440 keep his job they're in a lot

01:20:46.840 more danger than we are and

01:20:48.000 don't forget I mean this was

01:20:49.160 the way the Biden

01:20:49.820 administration pushed the

01:20:50.840 vaccine mandate yeah they

01:20:52.380 didn't push it right away it

01:20:54.240 wasn't here's the vaccine

01:20:55.120 okay you all have to take it

01:20:56.020 they waited until enough

01:20:57.720 people had voluntarily taken

01:20:59.200 it that they had a

01:21:00.100 significant enough chunk of

01:21:01.300 the people that they didn't

01:21:02.500 think the pushback would be

01:21:03.680 so great once they said okay

01:21:04.820 the rest of you have to do

01:21:05.780 it and so you're totally

01:21:06.800 right we get we all get

01:21:08.800 dinged on the big tech

01:21:09.960 platforms frequently but we

01:21:13.040 don't get dinged as much as

01:21:14.520 ordinary people who can't

01:21:15.880 make a big fuss about it

01:21:16.840 that's right and so you know

01:21:18.120 they always say the supreme

01:21:19.800 court follows the the poll

01:21:21.000 numbers the supreme court

01:21:21.880 reads the election results

01:21:22.960 well the the liberal

01:21:24.240 establishment broadly does

01:21:25.480 that and so if enough

01:21:27.120 ordinary people just push

01:21:29.380 back it which requires more

01:21:31.340 courage than for public

01:21:32.320 people to do that they're

01:21:34.140 going to pay attention to

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The Matt Walsh Show - August 02, 2023

Daily Wire Backstage： Barbiegate and other Kenspiracies.

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