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00:00:47.940 This election is pivotal.

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00:02:09.620 Holy crap.

00:02:12.600 We've been at this a while.

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00:02:19.020 Nothing like this has happened in...

00:02:21.020 Ever.

00:02:21.460 Ever.

00:02:21.700 I mean, this is like Civil War levels of...

00:02:25.660 Well, maybe not Civil War levels of insanity, but I don't know if since the Civil War, this

00:02:29.060 kind of insanity around an election...

00:02:30.880 Since the 60s.

00:02:31.720 ...has taken place.

00:02:32.600 Even in the 60s.

00:02:33.760 No, because they were popping off our guys.

00:02:36.460 But just think, the president...

00:02:38.420 You kill one Kennedy.

00:02:39.600 The president who has just said that he will not run for re-election...

00:02:43.160 Yeah.

00:02:43.580 ...was around in the 1860s and saw what happened to Abraham Lincoln and saw Reconstruction.

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00:02:51.460 Our friend Bridget Phetasy tweeted out, she said, you know, people are debating whether

00:02:55.900 or not Biden is alive or dead, and it's like the third weirdest thing to happen in the last

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00:04:06.660 Okay, so since the last time we were all together, we had a president.

00:04:12.860 His name was Joe Biden.

00:04:14.140 We loved him very much.

00:04:16.440 We had a vice president.

00:04:17.980 Her name was Kamala Harris.

00:04:19.080 She was kind of funny.

00:04:20.160 She was charming in all of Hillary's worst behaviors and laughs, but with none of her accomplishments

00:04:26.140 kind of way.

00:04:26.800 And we had Donald Trump, the presumptive nominee at that time of the party, and everything seemed

00:04:34.260 like it was just a normal crazy election in the era of Trump.

00:04:37.020 Since then, they literally put a bullet through Donald Trump.

00:04:41.400 And the president of the United States lost the debate so badly that he decided he could

00:04:45.920 no longer be his party's nominee for president.

00:04:48.620 And he resigned by a letter, which he obviously did not personally sign, which was released

00:04:56.360 on a platform that he says is the home of misinformation and disinformation and should

00:05:01.620 be boycotted by all the advertisers.

00:05:03.620 And then we just didn't see him for days and days and days.

00:05:06.320 We finally did see him today get out of a car, shuffle past the press, mumble.

00:05:12.440 His frozen arm.

00:05:13.400 Mumble a few words.

00:05:14.300 And then I have to say, he took the big boy stairs up to Air Force One, which the last

00:05:18.940 time we saw him, they were loading him in the belly through the short stairs.

00:05:22.440 So he's apparently doing a little bit better, and we're supposed to hear from him in an

00:05:25.620 Oval Office address tomorrow.

00:05:28.120 But truly, like the craziest 14 days in American politics.

00:05:32.260 Ben, what do you make of all of it?

00:05:34.760 I mean, that's a big question.

00:05:37.660 It's almost hard to know where to begin with all of this, because I feel like we're all seven

00:05:41.440 years older in the last three weeks.

00:05:43.300 I mean, it's one crazy event after another.

00:05:46.580 I think we should probably start from the state of the race as it currently is, because

00:05:50.020 we can get into Joe Biden dropping out.

00:05:52.100 What does that mean for the country and all the rest?

00:05:54.060 But I think that we should start with the state of the race, which is now Donald Trump

00:05:57.200 versus Kamala Harris.

00:05:58.080 This is a different race.

00:05:59.300 It doesn't mean that Donald Trump doesn't have the advantage.

00:06:01.040 Donald Trump obviously does have the advantage at this point in time.

00:06:04.160 If you look at the polling data, he's running somewhere between one and two points in the

00:06:07.240 national polling ahead of Kamala Harris.

00:06:09.660 With all of that said, obviously, he's no longer running against a dead person.

00:06:12.600 And pretty much everybody had been expending their mental energy on the fact that Joe

00:06:16.420 Biden is senile and incapable of holding his office.

00:06:19.020 Now Kamala Harris is in there.

00:06:20.360 And this race looks kind of like the dynamic that the race had before that first debate,

00:06:24.280 before Joe Biden completely fell apart, which means that Donald Trump has an advantage,

00:06:28.400 but it's less of a massive advantage than sort of a slight advantage.

00:06:31.580 And you're going to see the most irritating media coverage you've ever seen over the course

00:06:35.000 of the next three and a half months trying to whip everybody into a frenzy over the least

00:06:38.600 charming candidate since ever.

00:06:40.120 I mean, she's way less charming than Hillary Clinton.

00:06:42.380 She's way less interesting than Hillary Clinton.

00:06:44.280 She's way more annoying than Hillary Clinton.

00:06:46.060 She runs terrible campaigns.

00:06:47.340 She was the literally most radical senator in the United States Senate as of 2019.

00:06:52.320 She was the border czar who's presided over the worst border crisis in American history.

00:06:56.600 And of course, there's the cackle.

00:06:58.400 So do I think that she's capable of winning?

00:07:01.260 Isn't anybody who's on the ticket is capable of winning?

00:07:03.440 Do I think that she's going to win in the current situation?

00:07:05.720 I think that she certainly has an uphill road, but the fact that the Democrats had to pull

00:07:10.480 her last minute demonstrates just how desperate they were and just how powerful Trump's campaign

00:07:14.460 has been so far.

00:07:15.940 Ben, we heard almost none of that.

00:07:18.400 I actually heard it.

00:07:20.040 You look authoritative.

00:07:21.640 I'm just looking at the monitor.

00:07:23.120 You use your hands very effectively.

00:07:24.580 No, I'll let you know.

00:07:25.400 Ben was talking about how handsome I am and how nice my jacket looks tonight.

00:07:29.300 It's all, I totally agree, Ben.

00:07:31.540 And it also shows you the fact that they would pull, the fact that they would pull Biden at

00:07:36.700 the last minute and throw Harrison shows you not only how desperate they were, but how

00:07:42.160 they will do whatever it takes.

00:07:45.480 They will, they will in 2020, they will advocate locking the country down and change all the

00:07:50.480 election rules if they think it's going to help them.

00:07:51.820 They will toss this man, this man who has given the majority of his life to this party,

00:07:56.460 who has always been a yes man, a company man, total empty suit, changes his views based

00:08:01.380 on what they want him to do.

00:08:02.700 They will pick him up.

00:08:04.220 Kamala will throw him under one of those big yellow school buses that she loves so much

00:08:07.600 and let it run him right over.

00:08:09.560 And so we shouldn't underestimate how formidable that political force is.

00:08:14.820 Willie Brown says, and he knows Kamala.

00:08:20.580 He knows, I don't know if he knows her biblically, but he at a minimum knows her Book of Mormon.

00:08:25.720 It took like seven minutes for Willie Brown to come up in the conversation.

00:08:34.320 Self-censor, self-censor.

00:08:35.440 So he has said all along that she would be president.

00:08:38.300 Yes, he did.

00:08:38.920 That she is an amazing political tactician.

00:08:40.900 Yep.

00:08:41.360 He says, and here she is.

00:08:42.680 And she has in fact found herself in a position, never having received a single popular vote

00:08:47.660 in a Democratic primary.

00:08:49.680 She finds herself, her party's a nominee to be president.

00:08:52.120 And as we learned in 2016, if you are the nominee, you can win.

00:08:55.960 Yeah, absolutely.

00:08:56.540 And I'm a little less sanguine even than Ben.

00:08:58.500 I think the major political shift in the last week is that it was Donald Trump's race to lose.

00:09:04.960 And now I think that it actually is Kamala's race to lose.

00:09:07.800 In other words, it's not that I don't think Donald Trump can beat Kamala Harris.

00:09:10.980 It's that I don't think he is beating Kamala Harris.

00:09:13.460 There's a huge wave of new voter enthusiasm, completely changes the game.

00:09:17.420 It's unfair.

00:09:18.080 You know, they basically got to the last inning of the game, realized that their opponent was

00:09:23.820 far, far ahead, and then they just called a complete reset, fundamentally changed the

00:09:27.980 rules of the game, fundamentally changed the competition.

00:09:30.620 But that is the reality that now is before us.

00:09:33.140 And Trump is going to have to, and not just Trump, everyone who wants Trump to be the next

00:09:37.760 president is going to have to actually do the work to get him elected.

00:09:41.940 And we can't underestimate.

00:09:43.620 I think sometimes we don't want to underestimate the threat Kamala Harris poses, but we also

00:09:49.400 want to underestimate the ability of the corporate media to set a narrative.

00:09:53.920 And sometimes we like to wish cast and tell ourselves that corporate media is irrelevant,

00:09:58.560 but they're not.

00:10:00.080 And the corporate media, we saw what happened when they, along with the donor class and the

00:10:05.500 Democrat elites, decided they want to get rid of a sitting president.

00:10:08.520 They did it in three weeks.

00:10:09.580 That's right.

00:10:09.900 So if they set out right now and they decide that, you know what, Kamala Harris is a transformational

00:10:15.360 candidate.

00:10:16.260 She's a once in a generation political figure.

00:10:19.440 She's going to be the first female president.

00:10:21.620 She's all these things.

00:10:23.440 None of that is, well, first female president is true, but the rest of it isn't.

00:10:26.260 But if they decide they want to convince the public of that, then they have a real ability

00:10:31.340 to do that for a lot of people.

00:10:32.500 And I think also the, you know, the emotional blackmail tactic is, um, is, it has proven

00:10:39.460 pretty powerful.

00:10:40.180 And so, uh, you know, the, one of the messages to the American public will be, you know, this

00:10:46.360 is, we had a chance at a female president in 2016 and you bigots didn't let it happen.

00:10:52.440 Are you, are you really the second time in a row, are you going to let Donald Trump beat

00:10:56.940 the second female potential president?

00:10:59.740 You've convinced me.

00:11:00.500 I have to say though, first, there's one thing that we should actually admit upfront from

00:11:07.840 the moment that bullet missed Donald Trump, from the moment he was all right, this has

00:11:12.200 been the most entertaining couple of days in politics that I have ever seen.

00:11:16.020 If you love politics and it's added to by the Democrats soulless coup of this guy engineered

00:11:22.980 obviously behind the scenes by Barack Obama with a fine Italian hand.

00:11:26.220 And it's, it's so much more entertaining than even Trump because Trump fires you on a jumbotron.

00:11:30.760 You know, you're, you're in Yankee stadium.

00:11:32.140 It's like Rex Tillis and you're fired.

00:11:33.780 You'll kiss the girl next to you.

00:11:34.960 You're out of here.

00:11:35.500 You know, but, but, but Obama has that Chicago way of getting rid of you, which is, is just

00:11:41.400 entertaining.

00:11:41.980 That Chicago way of making sure that you still win, even though no one has voted for you.

00:11:45.780 Yeah.

00:11:45.980 I have to say though, that Kamala does have some strengths that are, that actually are

00:11:50.360 strengths.

00:11:51.360 She hates Jews and she kills babies and she bails out rioters.

00:11:57.160 And those are things that the Democrat base not only likes, but they will make it less likely

00:12:02.100 that the Democrat convention is overrun by pro Hamas Nazi protesters.

00:12:08.680 That's right.

00:12:09.120 Yeah.

00:12:09.260 Although if, if she actually, sorry, I know, I know the latency is bad.

00:12:16.080 And so I'm chiming in from literally a different state, but, but I will say that I am maybe

00:12:21.040 the optimist in the room or not in the room as the case may be, which, you know, there

00:12:25.260 are a few different factors here that make me a little more optimistic than you guys.

00:12:28.260 One is people already have seen Kamala Harris.

00:12:30.380 She ran the worst presidential campaign in modern history in 2020.

00:12:33.660 So bad that she dropped out of the race before she even got to her home state of California.

00:12:37.820 She loses her staff like nobody's business.

00:12:40.100 She's just not a competent candidate.

00:12:42.140 She's never run a truly competitive race.

00:12:43.840 The only competitive race that she ever ran was for attorney general in the state of California.

00:12:48.060 And she won that one by one point over Republican in the state of California.

00:12:51.780 And so the idea that she's going to be able to put together a credible campaign, I think

00:12:55.140 that's very difficult.

00:12:55.820 She's very, very online.

00:12:57.380 I think a lot of the enthusiasm you're seeing right now is about Biden getting out, not about

00:13:00.720 Kamala Harris.

00:13:01.260 So that means it's sort of an airsats enthusiasm.

00:13:03.420 It's the kind of enthusiasm that you are forced to feel with a gun to your head every time Beyonce

00:13:07.280 brings out an album.

00:13:08.480 It doesn't mean the album's good, but it doesn't mean that you have to pretend that

00:13:11.300 you're enthusiastic about it for the next five to ten minutes.

00:13:13.960 And then, you know, you forget it ever happened.

00:13:15.980 I think there's some of that going on with Kamala Harris right now.

00:13:18.460 I think there's something else that has happened in the interim that has changed the race pretty

00:13:21.580 significantly.

00:13:22.460 And that is a permission structure was created by Joe Biden so that people could actually

00:13:28.400 say the thing out loud that they haven't been able to say for nearly a decade, which

00:13:31.120 is I will vote for Donald Trump.

00:13:32.560 There's been a major obstacle for Donald Trump in 2016 and 2020 was the social censure that

00:13:37.740 has hatched to even the statement that you would vote for Donald Trump.

00:13:40.400 And now you're seeing very prominent figures like an Elon Musk say that they'll vote for

00:13:44.820 Trump, like a Mark Zuckerberg say nice things about Trump.

00:13:47.720 The opening that Joe Biden created by staying in the race and by so clearly being out of his

00:13:52.780 mind, by so clearly being seen out, allowed many people to say the thing.

00:13:56.800 And once they've said the thing, it's a little easier to say the thing again.

00:13:59.640 And it's harder to unsay the thing.

00:14:01.360 Once Donald Trump becomes a serious candidate in your mind, well, then he's a serious candidate

00:14:05.600 in your mind.

00:14:06.420 And Kamala Harris coming in isn't going to reshift that.

00:14:08.360 And so you've seen some of the lines that she's retailed over the course of, say, the

00:14:11.880 last couple of days.

00:14:13.200 And these lines are very weak.

00:14:14.420 She started with the Project 2025 stuff.

00:14:16.360 That ain't going nowhere.

00:14:17.320 She started with the I'm going to prosecute the case against Donald Trump.

00:14:19.580 I mean, you're going to do it.

00:14:21.340 I mean, the DOJ is literally doing it in two separate jurisdictions.

00:14:24.520 And you have Fannie Willis doing it in Georgia.

00:14:26.580 And you have New York doing it.

00:14:27.920 Like you're going to be the you're right.

00:14:29.420 We've never heard a case against Donald Trump.

00:14:30.880 We need you, the world's worst prosecutor, to come in and prosecute Donald Trump.

00:14:34.940 And now she's doing the we're not going to the past.

00:14:37.140 We're going to the future nonsense, which, I mean, I just I have to break it to her.

00:14:41.800 We're all going to the future.

00:14:43.020 We have no choice.

00:14:44.660 There's no way to get back to the past.

00:14:47.080 I just hope that they don't find out that Donald Trump ever had a misdemeanor marijuana

00:14:52.140 possession conviction, because if he did, it's fine.

00:14:58.240 She'll never come after him.

00:14:59.260 He's white.

00:14:59.600 It's cool.

00:15:00.560 Two things to what Ben said.

00:15:02.060 First of all, Kamala Harris has never won an election, a campaign that she had to run

00:15:07.820 by herself because she's not competent enough.

00:15:11.120 But she's not Kamala Harris isn't running for president.

00:15:13.920 She's not by herself.

00:15:14.820 She's running along with the corporate media, with the donors, with the dem elites lining

00:15:19.500 up behind her.

00:15:20.300 She's never had that before.

00:15:21.920 And when you have that, it just does change the game pretty considerably.

00:15:25.180 And the second point is, I think that just just to take the pessimistic view on on outflank

00:15:30.140 Ben on pessimism.

00:15:31.960 I think that the line about that she had at the when she was giving a speech to the campaign

00:15:38.620 workers about, you know, I was a prosecutor and I went after abusers and I went after scam

00:15:42.900 artists and I know these, I know guys like Donald Trump.

00:15:46.100 Yeah, the Donald Trump part of that isn't very compelling.

00:15:48.620 We've heard it a million times.

00:15:50.160 But if, and I don't know if this is the case, but if that is an indication that she is actually

00:15:56.200 going to try to run as the tough as nails prosecutor who's gone out there and found the

00:16:01.360 bad guys and put them in jail, if she's going to run as that Kamala Harris, which is mostly

00:16:05.340 a fantasy, but if she's going to run as that rather than the Kamala Harris that bailed

00:16:11.000 rioters out of prison, that could be a problem for the Republicans.

00:16:15.060 And the reason why it's a problem for Republicans is that I'm not confident that Republicans

00:16:19.060 aren't dumb enough to respond to that by trying to outflank Kamala to the left on the crime

00:16:26.960 issue.

00:16:27.200 We've already seen some of this about how Kamala Harris, she put, she put, you know, young

00:16:34.000 black men in prison and that sort of thing.

00:16:35.220 We're seeing that from Republicans.

00:16:36.460 And so the real risk here is that Republicans give up the crime issue, which is so easy,

00:16:41.600 such a winner that they give it up because they think it's a, they think it's a vulnerability

00:16:45.820 for Kamala Harris.

00:16:45.940 She is really vulnerable.

00:16:47.320 I'm actually on Ben's side about this.

00:16:48.860 I think that I would rather see Trump run against Biden because Biden has passed away.

00:16:52.800 But, but I think, so this is a little, it's worse than that.

00:16:55.720 This is not, they're not as bad, but, but she's got the, she's the border czar.

00:17:00.540 Remember the border czar?

00:17:01.500 She's never been to the border.

00:17:03.200 She's never been to Europe.

00:17:04.020 And, and she was part of the conspiracy of lies that I think has undermined the media

00:17:11.100 in a big way.

00:17:12.580 She came out and said, I saw Joe Biden every day.

00:17:15.580 He was great.

00:17:16.280 He was, nobody was sharper.

00:17:17.340 He was so sharp.

00:17:18.620 She was lying to the people.

00:17:20.220 And there are Democrats still.

00:17:22.000 Look, a lot of people are going to turn out as they did in the last election to vote against

00:17:26.040 Donald Trump.

00:17:26.580 There's no question about that.

00:17:27.660 They always do.

00:17:28.420 But still, she has been really deceptive, openly dishonest in a way that we all have

00:17:35.600 the receipts.

00:17:36.120 We all can see what she did.

00:17:37.880 And that just, to me, undermines her in a very deep way.

00:17:40.820 Plus, Biden is a failed president.

00:17:42.860 I also.

00:17:43.740 His policies have failed.

00:17:45.420 I feel good about the polls.

00:17:47.260 I share your concern, Matt, because right now Republicans could hit Kamala in two different

00:17:53.020 ways.

00:17:53.260 We have, we have all the clips.

00:17:54.120 The one is where she's making fun of the people who say, we need to build more schools,

00:17:57.600 not more jails.

00:17:58.360 That's prosecutor tough on crime Kamala.

00:18:00.600 That's the one that some Republicans in a misguided way are focusing on.

00:18:03.900 But there's also Kamala talking to Stephen Colbert in 2020, saying the BLM riots are going

00:18:08.620 to continue and they should continue.

00:18:10.120 There's the Kamala who bails the rioters out of prison directly.

00:18:13.620 So obviously, that's the one to focus on.

00:18:15.320 That's the one.

00:18:15.760 You need to set the narrative that that is the Kamala.

00:18:17.060 That's the real Kamala.

00:18:18.020 Yes.

00:18:18.360 But if you look right now.

00:18:19.980 I mean, also.

00:18:21.540 Sorry, go ahead, Ben.

00:18:22.120 You have to look at the state by state there.

00:18:23.840 So I was going to say, look at the state by state.

00:18:25.440 So one of the things that they've been doing with the political analysis is saying that

00:18:28.040 the map for Joe Biden was basically win the blue wall states or he or he's done right.

00:18:32.160 He's going to lose Georgia, Arizona.

00:18:33.640 He was going to lose Nevada.

00:18:34.780 And they're saying that, well, maybe for Kamala Harris, the idea is that she can lose some

00:18:38.240 of those blue wall states and she can win back, say, Georgia or Arizona or Nevada.

00:18:42.640 I don't think that's going to happen.

00:18:43.940 I really don't.

00:18:44.640 I think that the the gains that she is going to make with black voters are going to be lost

00:18:48.740 with rural white voters because those are voters that Biden was doing better with

00:18:52.680 than she was doing.

00:18:53.980 So they've been saying, well, she's going to shift her strategy to the Sun Belt.

00:18:56.400 She's not going to win Georgia.

00:18:57.740 Stacey Abrams couldn't win Georgia.

00:18:58.960 Why would Kamala Harris be able to win Georgia?

00:19:00.960 She's not going to win Arizona.

00:19:02.340 Kamala Harris is not wildly popular with Hispanics.

00:19:04.220 There's a poll that came out that shows that she's running dead even with Donald Trump among

00:19:07.520 Hispanics.

00:19:08.260 Gretchen Whitmer already, I think, gave away the game.

00:19:10.820 She was asked the other day whether she would take the VP slot on Kamala's ticket.

00:19:14.440 And she said she would not.

00:19:16.000 And when you're a VP candidate, it's possible VP candidates.

00:19:18.280 I mean, again, politicians are the most ambitious people in the world, like on planet Earth.

00:19:22.420 And becoming VP is obviously a launch point for the presidency.

00:19:25.800 And that's true on both sides of the aisle.

00:19:27.520 The gaming in order to become VP is so unbelievably strong.

00:19:31.080 So when Gretchen Whitmer, who is the current governor of Michigan, when she is asked, would

00:19:35.020 you take the VP slot from Kamala Harris?

00:19:37.500 And she says no.

00:19:38.800 I think everybody should take a minute and just wonder why that is.

00:19:41.360 Why is she saying no to that?

00:19:43.300 I think the obvious answer is she thinks there's a pretty good shot that Kamala Harris goes down

00:19:46.440 to wild defeat in 2024.

00:19:48.860 And then it's Gretchen Whitmer time come 2028.

00:19:51.080 I think it's possible the Democrats are actually thinking that way, that they're basically saying

00:19:55.340 with Kamala Harris, we end the panic, which will help the lower guys lower down on the

00:19:59.400 ticket.

00:19:59.960 Trump can only be president for one more term.

00:20:02.100 So we let him come in and wreak whatever havoc.

00:20:04.300 And then we clean up the next time out.

00:20:06.260 There are three big polls out right now.

00:20:07.760 One of them has Kamala up.

00:20:09.060 Reuters Ipsos has Kamala up by a little bit.

00:20:11.240 The other two polls, I forget which they came from, did not.

00:20:15.340 You know, Kamala, Trump was up by one in one of them.

00:20:18.100 One and Trump was up more significantly in the other.

00:20:21.000 And CNN was talking about these two polls.

00:20:23.540 So you say, OK, Trump up by one.

00:20:26.340 OK, maybe Kamala's up by a little in the Reuters Ipsos.

00:20:28.780 But this is the honeymoon period.

00:20:31.320 Candidates go down when they start running.

00:20:33.740 Hillary looked really good in 2015.

00:20:35.780 You know, it was only when she got in the race.

00:20:36.940 But this is actually the problem.

00:20:38.680 The honeymoon period usually lasts about 100 days.

00:20:41.760 The election is something like 114 days from now.

00:20:43.940 Not in a campaign.

00:20:45.120 100 days in a campaign?

00:20:46.360 Oh, yeah.

00:20:47.020 In a situation like this, we're missing the fact that she never had to face the voters.

00:20:52.180 There's never been a debate.

00:20:53.700 There's never been a single time where she's had to take fire from her own side.

00:20:57.480 Yeah.

00:20:57.760 So for that reason, she gets to be nothing but an icon for her side.

00:21:01.840 Her side never has to question whether or not they like her.

00:21:05.160 They only get to judge her in comparison to Donald Trump, whom they hate.

00:21:09.860 And so I think that she'll have an extended honeymoon period.

00:21:12.040 I'm not sure about that.

00:21:13.060 I think, first of all, you know, I don't think the fact that this was a coup and nobody voted for her is a big talking point.

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00:23:16.260 Wow.

00:23:16.740 It was a pretty good segue, too.

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00:23:20.280 Come on.

00:23:22.540 So, some room to be pessimistic, some room to be optimistic.

00:23:26.280 The thing that I was saying at the beginning, though, I do want to stress, which is,

00:23:29.680 if everyone who says, I voted for Donald Trump, actually voted for Donald Trump.

00:23:35.280 We do this funny thing in America where we use the term voted to mean support or voted in the abstract.

00:23:40.380 Yeah.

00:23:40.720 But elections aren't won by support.

00:23:42.300 Elections are won by casting ballots and then sitting on the ballot box.

00:23:46.740 And so I think it's going to take real shoe leather to beat Kamala Harris and to beat the Democrat machine, which is what we're really running against.

00:23:53.720 And I think that Republicans run the risk of making the mistake that Hillary Clinton made and the Democrats made in 2016, where they thought there's no way we could lose to this clown.

00:24:06.400 And so they didn't show up and vote.

00:24:08.240 And so they lost.

00:24:09.460 If we get cocky and think that Donald Trump can't possibly lose to Kamala Harris just because she's off-putting to us, we will lose to her.

00:24:15.800 Yeah, complacency would be a big mistake.

00:24:17.480 But optimism isn't.

00:24:18.500 I have to say, in this moment, I'm less optimistic than I was when Biden, but I never expected Biden to be the candidate.

00:24:25.680 I never thought he could make it to the finish line.

00:24:28.020 And so, and I don't think Trump did either.

00:24:30.020 I think that Trump is prepared for this.

00:24:31.680 They kept saying online, oh, Trump is shaking in his boots.

00:24:34.320 First of all, Trump took a bullet he wasn't shaking in his boots.

00:24:37.780 And second of all, Trump has been expecting this.

00:24:40.500 They got the first ad out within like 30 seconds of her announcement.

00:24:43.380 They were ready to pivot for two months.

00:24:45.620 And she's just, she's so vulnerable.

00:24:47.980 She cannot hide the things she said.

00:24:50.460 I mean, this is, you know, it's a media age.

00:24:53.780 They can get those tapes out there and we can see her bailing out the rioters and saying the things she said and cackling at.

00:25:01.260 Are you saying that she's burdened by what has been?

00:25:03.860 She's burdened by what has been.

00:25:05.180 That's exactly what I'm saying.

00:25:06.480 By the way, we joke about that as though it's a really empty and sort of ridiculous platitude.

00:25:15.320 But it actually isn't.

00:25:16.980 She is actually expressing the worst philosophy I've ever heard.

00:25:22.500 But she is essentially saying.

00:25:23.460 Jacobinism.

00:25:23.900 Yeah, she's essentially saying.

00:25:25.680 It's the same philosophy.

00:25:26.520 You know, it's the same philosophy as Kylo Ren uses in The Last Jedi.

00:25:30.560 It's literally that line, right?

00:25:31.860 You remember, I know it's a terrible movie, so you've blocked it out from your memory.

00:25:34.460 But you remember that that's literally his case.

00:25:36.500 What if we blow up all the old and then we are unburdened by what has been and we can be the new?

00:25:41.920 She really is a nefarious and sinister character.

00:25:45.160 I think that there are a few things Republicans are going to have to be very careful of with regard to attacking her, however.

00:25:49.360 I think that the most obvious thing about her is that she is wildly dishonest.

00:25:52.640 This is where I think, Drew, what you were saying earlier, the health cover-up actually does apply to her.

00:25:57.600 And Republicans should be hitting that over and over and over again.

00:25:59.540 That's like an 80-20 issue in American life.

00:26:01.740 Americans believe by like an 80-20 margin that if you said Joe Biden was fine, you were lying to them.

00:26:06.680 That goes to her radical dishonesty.

00:26:08.720 And then there's her actual radicalism.

00:26:10.840 She's running for president.

00:26:11.920 That means that she needs, say, Pennsylvania.

00:26:13.720 She came out in 2020 and said she would ban fracking outright.

00:26:16.580 Hey, that should mean she loses Pennsylvania pretty much automatically.

00:26:20.320 The thing Republicans cannot do is the thing that we have a temptation to do, which is to talk about the obvious ridiculousness of this person running for president in the first place.

00:26:28.540 I think that you're going to have to let people discover that for themselves.

00:26:31.440 One area where she's different from Hillary is we had 20 years of people learning to hate Hillary Clinton, like really, really, really hate Hillary Clinton.

00:26:38.120 Kamala Harris is fairly unknown to the American public.

00:26:40.920 Ask most people who the vice president is, and they really, really have no clue.

00:26:43.460 So that said, I think that if Republicans, if we can, the temptation is going to be to say Willie Brown over and over and over, which, of course, is true.

00:26:51.080 I mean, the first episode of the series, Kamala, available at Daily Wire Plus, 47% off with promo code 5.

00:26:58.180 The first episode talks all about her relationship with Willie Brown and how that got her started in politics.

00:27:03.700 But that is going to be used by her as a way of getting out the female vote.

00:27:08.020 The more you say Willie Brown, the more she says you're a sexist for mentioning Willie Brown.

00:27:11.260 I think the same thing is probably going to be true when we mentioned the simple and obvious fact that she is, in fact, a diversity pick.

00:27:16.600 I mean, Joe Biden literally said that he wanted a black woman for the ticket.

00:27:19.540 But if we say that he wanted a black woman for the ticket and thus she is unqualified to be vice president of the United States, then she's going to say that we're all racist.

00:27:26.240 I don't think it's necessary to say all that.

00:27:27.760 I think people can see it.

00:27:28.940 I think people can see that she's unqualified for the vice presidency, that she's a weirdo.

00:27:32.720 Like, I don't think that Donald Trump needs to call her a weirdo, for example, because every time she laughs, she's being a weirdo.

00:27:38.440 I think you should focus in on the fact that she's a radical leftist who is far too far left for the American, like way more left than Joe Biden was even.

00:27:45.260 And combine that with her unbelievable dishonesty, that's going to have to be the attack line.

00:27:49.580 So now there is one issue.

00:27:51.000 We talk about how Kamala has thrown all these people in prison and prosecuted people.

00:27:54.440 She has prosecuted a friend of mine, David Daleiden, not a black man, though they talk about how she threw all these black men in prison.

00:28:00.740 David Daleiden, a white guy, but regardless of his race, he's a big pro-lifer, and she has prosecuted him for defending life and exposing the evils and crimes of the abortion industry.

00:28:14.120 And she has been fanatically pro-abortion for her whole career.

00:28:18.220 And I say this as someone who is entirely pro-life.

00:28:22.180 There is no sunlight at all between me and the pro-life movement.

00:28:26.160 But I'm recognizing that abortion has been a tricky issue for the pro-lifers at the ballot since the Dobbs decision.

00:28:32.980 So does she run on abortion?

00:28:35.260 Does she say this is going to energize the base?

00:28:37.180 And how do the Republicans respond to that?

00:28:39.620 Matt?

00:28:40.420 Well, I mean, first of all, what you just mentioned, I think that is not known enough.

00:28:45.180 And the Republicans need to get that information out there.

00:28:47.520 Because what actually happened there was Dave Daleiden was at the Center for Medical Progress.

00:28:52.340 Yeah.

00:28:52.860 This was, you know, six, seven years ago, those videos where they revealed that Planned Parenthood was killing babies and selling their parts illegally on the black market.

00:29:03.740 James O'Keefe?

00:29:05.060 This was David Daleiden.

00:29:06.500 David Daleiden.

00:29:06.900 James O'Keefe was spearheading it.

00:29:08.620 And David was being prosecuted in California.

00:29:11.660 I think he's still out there.

00:29:12.440 This was our first video.

00:29:13.120 He got him on.

00:29:14.420 This is the video we weren't allowed to release.

00:29:15.960 That's right.

00:29:16.400 The first Daily Wire video.

00:29:17.860 That's right.

00:29:18.200 David got them on camera joking, saying, well, you know, we're going to sell these baby parts.

00:29:24.320 And, you know, I sure would like to buy a Lamborghini.

00:29:26.520 Right.

00:29:26.780 That was one of the lines.

00:29:27.700 Wow.

00:29:28.080 And nobody in Planned Parenthood was prosecuted for that.

00:29:30.720 Instead, they went after him.

00:29:31.680 And I think that's kind of the answer to your question, is that that should be the response.

00:29:34.700 If she wants to go to abortion, then you go right to, okay, well, so you think it's okay

00:29:39.800 for Planned Parenthood to sell the body parts of babies and you prosecuted someone who exposed

00:29:46.380 that.

00:29:46.820 I mean, I'd like to see her.

00:29:48.580 I don't think she's ever had to defend that.

00:29:50.180 Yeah.

00:29:50.380 That specific case one time.

00:29:51.820 I'd love to see her defend it.

00:29:53.560 I think if it comes up in a debate, that's the direction you take it.

00:29:56.380 We saw Trump do that against Biden a little bit when abortion came up and he pivoted right

00:30:00.460 to Democrat extremism on the issue.

00:30:02.520 And I think that's what you have to do.

00:30:04.120 You're not backing away and surrendering, but instead you're saying, look, we're not going

00:30:07.460 to talk about the 1% of cases.

00:30:09.020 We're not going to talk about the hard cases until you talk about the 99% of cases of abortion

00:30:13.420 where it's used for birth control.

00:30:15.040 Until you talk about the fact that you support killing a fully developed infant a second before

00:30:20.200 birth, like you answer for that and then we could talk about these really rare cases.

00:30:24.920 That is a good strategy, but it also is true that this motivates their base.

00:30:27.980 That's what I started out with.

00:30:29.380 The fact that she hates Israel and she kills babies motivates the left's base.

00:30:34.420 And it does mean, I think, that they have a better chance of having a quiet DNC.

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00:32:04.600 So one thing that I want to talk about is the assassination attempt on Donald Trump.

00:32:10.420 It's hard to believe how much has happened.

00:32:11.920 And that actually almost seems like a distant memory, but it was less than three weeks ago.

00:32:16.240 And it's one of the truly amazing events of my lifetime, is that they took a shot at

00:32:23.340 the presumptive nominee and former president of the United States.

00:32:27.160 It was less than two weeks ago, wasn't it?

00:32:29.320 I think it was 10 days ago.

00:32:32.640 That's how fast time is moving.

00:32:34.360 Yeah, it's amazing.

00:32:35.140 And so one of the true humiliating examples of, at a minimum, humiliating examples of

00:32:43.100 the hatred of the deep state for Donald Trump and the failure of bureaucracy to do anything

00:32:48.340 effectively is this shot being taken at Donald Trump.

00:32:51.700 And a true turning point, I think, in his political career as well.

00:32:55.520 A lot of people talk about the fight, fight, fight, which was an amazing moment of political

00:33:01.580 theatrics.

00:33:02.340 Epic.

00:33:02.520 Just Donald Trump is a true entertainer.

00:33:04.800 He had presence in the moment to have this beautifully theatrical response.

00:33:08.940 And raw courage.

00:33:09.740 And raw courage.

00:33:10.620 But my favorite moment is actually right before fight, fight, fight, when he isn't at the

00:33:16.080 mic and he isn't playing to the camera yet.

00:33:18.220 And he says to the Secret Service agent, let me get my shoe back on, son.

00:33:22.820 And it's one of the most, to me, it's not one of.

00:33:25.380 It has been, it is the most humanizing moment in this entire sort of last eight years of

00:33:31.860 Donald Trump in political life.

00:33:35.440 Yeah, that was amazing.

00:33:36.240 Without thinking.

00:33:37.120 I mean, that was an amazing thing.

00:33:38.760 Look, this is, this was epic.

00:33:40.740 I mean, I've never seen anything quite like it.

00:33:42.660 And I think it speaks to what Ben was saying, is it made it possible to just say, you know

00:33:47.760 what, like what Zuckerberg said, this guy's badass, you know.

00:33:50.540 It means that he's who he pretends to be, which is a really important thing because he's such

00:33:55.420 a showman that, as Michael just said, it showed raw courage literally under fire.

00:34:02.320 And that's what he pretends to be.

00:34:04.080 What he says is he's going to stand up to the deep state for us.

00:34:07.320 And you look at that and thought, I'm in.

00:34:09.160 I have to tell you, I'm in.

00:34:10.880 Like, I've had problems with Trump since January 6th, even though I get all the gray areas of

00:34:15.840 it and all that.

00:34:16.820 I still thought he should have acted more quickly.

00:34:18.640 At this point, with the New York conviction, I thought, forget it.

00:34:22.460 Now he's a hero and I'm with him all the way.

00:34:24.920 And when I saw this, I thought like, dude, you know, if you're not, who do you want to

00:34:29.420 be your president?

00:34:30.520 Be against Putin and Iran and China, a guy who stands up and gets, almost gets his head

00:34:34.880 blown up, still has the presence in mind.

00:34:36.600 You had this moment at the RNC where he addresses it.

00:34:38.940 And I thought the first half of that speech, especially, was extraordinarily good and brought

00:34:43.820 tears to my eyes, as it did to a lot of people.

00:34:46.560 And he says, you know, you don't understand.

00:34:49.180 I'm not supposed to be here.

00:34:50.680 And the people say, yes, you are.

00:34:52.200 Yes, you are.

00:34:52.600 And I love it.

00:34:53.680 This beautiful moment of humility goes, thanks, but I'm not.

00:34:56.780 I'm not actually.

00:34:57.700 But he is in the broader sense.

00:34:59.080 And so if you believe, as we do here, that the entire cosmos is extraordinary, perfectly

00:35:06.200 tightly knit to achieve God's ultimate ends in history and providence, then as astonishing

00:35:12.200 as the attempted assassination was, you would say, yes, yes, of course.

00:35:16.720 Of course, Trump turned his head 20 degrees, a nanosecond, as the guy is pulling the trigger

00:35:22.120 and it just, instead of blowing the back of his head off, it just whizzed off the top

00:35:25.800 of his ear.

00:35:26.180 Of course, that happened in God's providence.

00:35:28.800 Doesn't make it any less astonishing in the moment.

00:35:31.040 But that is not only a vindication of Donald Trump's political courage, a complete condemnation

00:35:38.680 of how the left has justified the assassination for eight years now, calling him Hitler, calling

00:35:42.900 him an existential threat to the country.

00:35:44.360 Performing it.

00:35:44.920 Performing it on stages.

00:35:46.060 Performing it on stages.

00:35:47.240 You know, holding his severed head up in effigy.

00:35:49.880 But it's also a, uh, uh, one more example of glory given to God in this just absolutely

00:35:58.500 magnificent, an event that is impossible to explain absent a logic to the universe and

00:36:07.240 providence.

00:36:08.420 Yeah.

00:36:09.040 And obviously it's about Donald Trump, but other people were hurt and a man was killed

00:36:15.160 as well.

00:36:15.580 Like there is a, it is an actual real thing.

00:36:18.780 You know, there are people on the left saying it was staged and all this kind of, all this

00:36:21.940 kind of nonsense.

00:36:22.400 Well, someone is, someone is dead.

00:36:24.300 Someone was murdered.

00:36:25.160 And the assassin was killed too.

00:36:26.500 So like he got a bad deal of a troll of some sort.

00:36:29.640 The funny thing is if he did stage it, he still has a lot of courage because what, he hired

00:36:33.080 someone to shoot at his head.

00:36:35.100 Takes a lot of guts.

00:36:36.260 And obviously this was an incredibly courageous moment for Trump, especially because we have

00:36:39.940 to understand, we have to remember when he stood up, he didn't know if, if the threat

00:36:43.320 was neutralized or not.

00:36:44.280 So for all he knew, there could be more shots coming his way.

00:36:47.020 So there, there's that.

00:36:47.860 But of course we, we also have to talk about the, what, what allowed that to happen and

00:36:53.040 everything that's been revealed over the last two weeks, just, uh, or 10 days.

00:36:57.060 It's just with each new detail and it's still, this is the case with each new thing that's

00:37:01.360 added.

00:37:01.760 It just makes, it makes the, the failure, if that's what it was, even more mind boggling.

00:37:07.680 And I think we're still at a point where it, you know, there are a lot of so-called conspiracy

00:37:12.440 theories cropped up immediately after this.

00:37:14.240 And I think all of them are still basically on the table.

00:37:17.320 I don't think even the most nefarious possible interpretation has not yet been ruled out.

00:37:21.800 Um, especially when you consider things like the guy was on the roof for 20 minutes and

00:37:26.000 was known to be there.

00:37:27.160 They, they, they saw him with a rifle three minutes.

00:37:29.740 This was the latest.

00:37:30.260 I think they saw him with a rifle three minutes before he fired the shot.

00:37:35.300 They saw him three hours, uh, initially before, before all this happened.

00:37:39.900 Nobody told Trump as he just revealed in an interview with Jesse Waters.

00:37:43.480 And it would be very easy just to say, well, hang out here for a second.

00:37:46.320 We got to, we got that guy off a roof.

00:37:47.540 They do that to me when I do a, a YAF speech or an ISI speech that, you know, and I'm just

00:37:52.260 some guy and the threats aren't a guy with a rifle and they'll, they will hold the events

00:37:56.060 for 15 minutes.

00:37:56.680 You've got a former president, current leading presidential nominee and, and nothing.

00:38:02.040 You just put him out there in the middle of a, that's a step down, right?

00:38:05.480 She'll just, uh, resign.

00:38:06.740 Small potato.

00:38:07.540 But amazing.

00:38:08.740 She's the first, it's the first person in the Biden administration to take responsibility

00:38:11.700 for anything.

00:38:12.420 And she also stepped down.

00:38:13.520 She testified in front of Congress and she stepped down immediately after that.

00:38:16.600 Ben, what did you say, Ben?

00:38:18.740 Yeah, no, she, she had to be forced to do it.

00:38:20.260 Well, yeah, she wasn't going to go and Biden made no move to fire her.

00:38:23.060 And then only because Congress was about to impeach her, did she finally get out?

00:38:26.940 And I think it speaks to two major issues.

00:38:28.780 One having to do with the deep state, with the secret service, and one having to do with

00:38:33.720 sort of just generally the way that our government has become utterly incompetent, incapable of

00:38:37.960 doing anything.

00:38:38.560 And that's the best, as Matt says, interpretation is just the insane levels of incompetence right

00:38:43.640 here.

00:38:43.820 But there is a malignity.

00:38:45.180 And that malignity is that secret service was asked multiple times by Trump's campaign

00:38:48.480 for more secret service agents, for more protection, and they didn't give it.

00:38:51.980 And that's become clear through, through whistleblower testimony.

00:38:54.580 And then they lied about it.

00:38:55.220 They were requested like Donald Trump should be the most protected person on the planet

00:38:59.220 because we all know how many people want to kill him.

00:39:01.440 And in fact, we know that weeks before the Iranians, apparently there was an Iranian plot

00:39:04.820 to kill him that was basically uncovered by the CIA and they knew about it.

00:39:09.380 And so they still didn't give him extra security for something like that.

00:39:13.600 Either that is an extraordinary level of lack of care and lack of fulfillment of duty, or it's

00:39:19.600 something that is more nefarious.

00:39:21.060 And again, everyone knows I'm very non-conspiratorial when it comes to this stuff.

00:39:24.760 I just think that people are really bad at their jobs.

00:39:27.240 This is like the height of bad at your job.

00:39:29.120 You literally had one job.

00:39:30.460 I mean, the secret service has one job.

00:39:32.640 And the fact that it took this long for her to be ousted from her job, once again, speaks

00:39:36.280 to the fact that if Donald Trump does become president, I hope he fires nearly everybody

00:39:39.680 in the executive branch.

00:39:40.640 Because this sort of incompetence runs just bone deep with a huge number of our executive

00:39:45.120 agencies.

00:39:45.520 So in the Navy, if you're the captain of a ship, you obviously can't work 24 hours a

00:39:51.540 day.

00:39:51.780 No human being works.

00:39:52.600 Drew works 21.

00:39:54.140 But most human beings can't work anything like that number of hours during the day.

00:39:58.040 And so even if you're the captain of a ship at sea, there's time where you're in your

00:40:01.480 bunk asleep at night.

00:40:02.540 And that's not against the rule.

00:40:03.980 I mean, you have to be off duty in your bunk asleep at night.

00:40:08.120 If the captain of a ship is asleep in his bunk at night and the ship is involved in

00:40:14.060 a collision, he is immediately removed as the captain of the ship and fired from the

00:40:19.380 Navy.

00:40:19.700 He is out.

00:40:20.640 And the reason is because it's not that it is his fault in a sort of urgent, literal

00:40:27.700 sense, but it is ultimately his fault because it's life and death for sailors on a ship at

00:40:34.260 sea.

00:40:35.060 And if you created the culture that allowed the ship to have a collision, even though

00:40:39.920 it wasn't your fault, you weren't on duty, you weren't on the bridge, nevertheless, you're

00:40:44.540 immediately the secret to be the head of the secret service whose job, like the captain

00:40:49.080 of a ship, is life or death, the protection of a very small handful of principals, presidents,

00:40:53.940 former presidents, cabinet officials, and other kinds of high dignitaries.

00:40:58.260 The very idea that someone could put a bullet through one of your protectees, who happens

00:41:04.640 to be a former president of the United States and leading candidate for one of the major

00:41:08.640 parties nomination at that time.

00:41:11.060 The fact that it would even occur to you that you still have it, like it shouldn't be that

00:41:15.000 Joe Biden fired her the next day.

00:41:16.880 It should have been that within 30 minutes, her letter of resignation was on the desk of

00:41:21.120 the president of the United States.

00:41:22.420 It's not only a lack of honor, it's a display of disdain for the people.

00:41:26.040 That's right.

00:41:26.320 And this is what really gets me about the Biden administration, is nobody steps down,

00:41:30.560 the border's secure, people are pouring across, they come out and tell us the border's secure,

00:41:33.940 nobody has to pay for his lies, nobody has to respond to a subpoena, they put, you know,

00:41:38.860 Bannon in jail because he didn't respond.

00:41:41.000 Well, I live in a broken clock.

00:41:43.180 No, but, you know, all the same, you know, I think that there's no responsibility to the

00:41:47.440 people because they don't feel that they're responsible.

00:41:50.780 You know, she stepped down, great, you know, obviously way too late.

00:41:54.780 But some people, I fear, want to give the Democrats credit for this because not only was it Andy

00:42:00.220 Biggs was really tough on her during this testimony, Nancy Mace was really tough on her, but also

00:42:04.680 Democrats, AOC was really tough on her, Ro Khanna, a liberal Democrat from California,

00:42:10.020 was tough on her.

00:42:11.000 But yeah, of course they are.

00:42:12.920 She's small potatoes.

00:42:14.060 It doesn't matter.

00:42:14.760 You know, I think the reason they're willing to throw her overboard is one, there's just no

00:42:19.900 defense of her staying in her job, but two, because then they get to keep her boss.

00:42:24.460 Who's her boss?

00:42:25.220 Alejandro Mayorkas, the DHS secretary.

00:42:27.300 Then they get to keep his boss, Biden, who says that he's staying on the job even though

00:42:31.080 he's got dementia for six plus months.

00:42:33.100 So it was a very low cost way to distract from the situation.

00:42:37.520 But this is not good enough.

00:42:39.400 This is not even close to good enough.

00:42:40.840 Her resignation should not be the end of the story.

00:42:42.800 This should be the very beginning of the story.

00:42:44.260 The fact that they did get requests from the Trump campaign for more security.

00:42:48.880 The fact that the Trump campaign had to request more security, insane.

00:42:51.840 The fact that they did and it was denied, insane.

00:42:54.840 And then the fact that the Secret Service lied about it.

00:42:57.940 They came out and they said, we have not received requests.

00:43:00.140 Oh, oopsie daisy.

00:43:01.360 Washington Post asked me a few more questions.

00:43:03.160 We did get some requests.

00:43:04.560 Now it doesn't just look like a screw up.

00:43:06.780 Now it looks like a cover up.

00:43:07.860 And I'm not saying it's a cover up for a conspiracy necessarily, but even if it's a cover

00:43:11.620 up for incompetence, that is a major, major problem.

00:43:14.620 What is the innocent explanation for something like, she's asked at the hearing, how many

00:43:19.280 shell casings did they find on the roof?

00:43:21.300 And she won't answer.

00:43:22.420 She says she knows the answer, but she won't tell.

00:43:23.940 She wouldn't answer how many gunmen there were.

00:43:25.340 Right.

00:43:25.900 Yes.

00:43:26.500 Did he act alone?

00:43:27.340 She wouldn't say.

00:43:28.040 So I'm, maybe I tend a little bit more towards the conspiratorial, I'll admit.

00:43:32.280 But I'm really wondering, what is the innocent way to explain that?

00:43:35.740 Can I take a crack at it?

00:43:36.640 Okay.

00:43:38.980 First of all, she should have been out of a job instantly.

00:43:42.600 I'm not sure that people shouldn't be prosecuted.

00:43:45.820 Horrible.

00:43:46.380 This event is terrible.

00:43:49.920 There are explanations for why you don't give all of the information and testimony less than

00:43:54.220 10 days from an event.

00:43:55.520 And it's because there's an ongoing, presumably, because there's an ongoing investigation.

00:43:58.840 You don't want to give away all the information that would allow you to conduct that investigation.

00:44:03.240 But I want to speak to the conspiracy more broadly.

00:44:07.220 Think about what has to be true for it to have been on purpose.

00:44:12.020 All the Secret Service snipers have to be in on it.

00:44:14.980 All of the local law enforcement who are patrolling the outer perimeter have to be out on it,

00:44:20.140 have to be in on it, because they can't accidentally do anything to stop it.

00:44:24.200 All of the sort of redneck MAGA t-shirt wearing, because you're outside of the metal detectors here,

00:44:29.960 you're outside of the perimeter, any one of them could have a concealed firearm.

00:44:34.060 Any one of them could have intervened.

00:44:35.720 I mean, luck is not a business model.

00:44:38.160 If you're going to have the deep state who have snipers who are capable of the amazing shot

00:44:42.180 that the sniper actually took to kill this guy, you have those people on payroll.

00:44:45.380 If they wanted to shoot Donald Trump, they would have shot Donald Trump.

00:44:48.240 There are pieces of conspiracy.

00:44:50.180 I'm sure there was a conspiracy of sorts, not to give him more protection.

00:44:53.820 But that's the, and then I told that son of a gun Donald Trump's team,

00:44:57.260 and we're not sending him, but like, that's not a conspiracy to get him killed.

00:45:00.700 That's a kind of loose conspiracy of attitude.

00:45:05.060 Yeah, generally want him dead.

00:45:06.780 A general.

00:45:07.460 Not specifically.

00:45:08.560 Yeah, it's a general disdain.

00:45:10.100 The reason when these moments happen, we become conspiratorial,

00:45:15.240 is because when a moment like this happens,

00:45:17.220 so many things have to have gone wrong all at the same time,

00:45:20.120 that it seems completely implausible, right?

00:45:22.760 Like, there are 20 things that went wrong here.

00:45:24.560 How could that all be a coincidence?

00:45:26.120 But what I would put before you is that that's how it always is in these moments,

00:45:31.000 because human systems, particularly in an advanced society, are actually fairly robust.

00:45:37.240 And the robustness of the system tends to absorb single and even double failures.

00:45:43.340 And so a great example of this is you might be driving down the road,

00:45:46.380 and we've all done this.

00:45:47.760 You glance down at a text message.

00:45:49.760 Should you have done it?

00:45:50.900 No, it's a terrible thing to do.

00:45:52.200 Do you hit a school bus and kill 30 innocent children every time you do it?

00:45:57.180 No.

00:45:57.480 In fact, for most of us, we will never hit a school bus and kill 30 kids,

00:46:01.300 no matter how many times we look down at a text message.

00:46:04.000 And that's because there's a certain robustness to the system.

00:46:06.680 The other driver is driving defensively and paying attention to the road.

00:46:11.200 Our cars have monitors and beep, beep, beeps.

00:46:13.320 There's those little lines on the road, and when you hit them, they go da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da,

00:46:16.120 and kind of snap you back.

00:46:17.120 This is a fairly simple system, but even it is robust enough to absorb single failures

00:46:22.400 most of the time.

00:46:23.640 Doesn't always, but most of the time.

00:46:25.840 And so it winds up being the case that when these truly terrible events happen, 9-11,

00:46:31.560 the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, other examples,

00:46:35.060 it tends to be the case in these moments that we only know about it

00:46:39.560 because this is the time when everything went wrong.

00:46:43.640 And the truth is, Ben brought up this Iranian plot on Donald Trump's life from a few weeks ago,

00:46:50.600 98% of Americans have not even heard of that.

00:46:53.240 Because the truth is that the system is so robust,

00:46:56.020 there's always a guy with a long object that could be a rifle,

00:47:00.240 and the sniper sees him.

00:47:01.500 There's always the local law enforcement calls something in,

00:47:03.980 and they're on the wrong channel because they're not used to interacting with the Secret Service.

00:47:07.680 There's always the overweight girl from DHS who got assigned to the detail

00:47:13.660 because they didn't have enough Secret Service agents.

00:47:15.740 And some of those things are always going wrong.

00:47:18.300 But the robustness of the system generally mitigates against the worst case scenario.

00:47:23.200 I completely agree with this.

00:47:24.020 It's what pilots call a failure cascade.

00:47:26.860 A failure cascade.

00:47:27.840 I totally agree with this.

00:47:28.720 I will say this, however, and this is not a conspiracy thing at all.

00:47:31.760 We know from Benghazi that this is a party that expresses its contempt for people

00:47:36.480 by not supplying them with enough protection.

00:47:38.940 And that's a dangerous thing to do,

00:47:40.620 and it shows their disregard for human life of the people.

00:47:42.960 We know they feel this way.

00:47:44.480 We know every single one of us in this room could be backed over by a cement truck

00:47:48.600 and not a tear would be shed in the Democratic Party.

00:47:51.640 And that is the way they are.

00:47:53.200 I mean, it's something...

00:47:53.960 Well, and to Ben's point, there is a malignancy to it,

00:47:56.640 whether it's a vast conspiracy to assassinate Donald Trump or not.

00:47:59.860 There is an evil that's working.

00:48:02.220 There's an actual hatred of Donald Trump that contributed to the cascade.

00:48:06.220 And he's right that it's not him they hate, it's us, and he's just in the way.

00:48:09.640 He's right about that.

00:48:10.640 I mean, they hate him too.

00:48:11.720 But I'm just saying, he does represent the people that they hate.

00:48:14.320 Evidence of this exact phenomenon is the reaction of the influencer Destiny on X

00:48:19.820 in the hours after the attempted assassination.

00:48:22.200 What a boner.

00:48:22.600 When you say Donald Trump is in the way, they hate all of us,

00:48:25.160 this is literally true because Donald Trump happened to turn very lightly out of the way

00:48:30.880 and the bullet passed him and hit one of us.

00:48:33.260 It hit one of the people, one of the supporters of Donald Trump, and killed him.

00:48:37.640 And Destiny, this left-wing influencer, who heretofore I thought,

00:48:42.720 obviously was zany and out of control, but never would have guessed this kind of a reaction.

00:48:47.860 He was crowing and mocking this dead man who took Donald Trump's bullet.

00:48:55.760 And his argument was, the very fact of this human supporting Donald Trump

00:48:59.900 means that he deserved to have his brains blown out

00:49:03.200 at a rally that he was attending with his wife and children.

00:49:06.080 Right.

00:49:06.720 So literally, Donald Trump was in the way of this man.

00:49:12.900 And when he stepped out of the way, then the guy deserved it.

00:49:14.880 Now, you know, I just did this video on my show in the member block

00:49:19.120 talking about how much I've always disliked Joe Biden

00:49:21.940 because I feel he's a mean-spirited, corrupt man who just does such cynical things.

00:49:26.680 The things he did to Bork, the things he did to Clarence Thomas,

00:49:28.960 just unbelievable corruption in this guy all his career.

00:49:32.300 And I just hate hearing this.

00:49:33.500 He's been a great public servant.

00:49:35.500 But I said, I prefaced it by saying, and I feel, I literally feel,

00:49:39.340 I don't wish him physical ill.

00:49:41.540 I'm not happy to see him suffering from what he's suffering from.

00:49:44.140 Everybody gets old.

00:49:44.860 Everybody dies.

00:49:45.780 Not me, but I mean, everybody else.

00:49:47.020 And I mean, I think you do have to stop and say, like, you know, he is a human being.

00:49:51.360 He's one of us.

00:49:52.320 You know, we're all going to end up before the same throne and the same judge.

00:49:55.880 You know, it's like, that's not what this is about.

00:49:58.160 This is about who has the power and who gets to run things and who doesn't.

00:50:01.240 And that's all it's about.

00:50:02.060 You know, while we're being nice to Biden and thinking about his career.

00:50:05.040 Oh, wait, stop. We can stop.

00:50:05.620 Yeah.

00:50:06.060 I was trying to think about whether or not I feel bad for him.

00:50:09.720 And I don't feel bad that his career is ending in a humiliating way.

00:50:14.980 No.

00:50:15.080 I don't feel bad at all.

00:50:16.700 But I do pity him in that he has spent most of his life now since 1970s,

00:50:23.820 first time he gets elected to the Newcastle County Council.

00:50:26.280 And then 1972, he's elected to the Senate before he's old enough to even deserve.

00:50:29.860 And he's there pretty much ever since.

00:50:32.240 He has been in government for 54 years or with a little break in between.

00:50:38.840 And he gave up a lot of the things that could have given him a good life.

00:50:44.100 He sacrificed a lot of that to waste his time at the U.S. Capitol.

00:50:47.880 And I think public life is really good.

00:50:50.680 I'm not one of these people who constantly is denigrating politics.

00:50:54.300 I think politics is important.

00:50:55.480 I think the state is a natural institution.

00:50:57.100 I think it serves the common good.

00:50:58.020 But he hasn't accomplished anything in his whole career.

00:51:03.720 He gave up 54 years.

00:51:05.080 Name me one big accomplishment that he can point to for it.

00:51:09.060 Gay marriage.

00:51:10.860 I'm not kidding.

00:51:11.700 I like his prime goal.

00:51:12.480 I'm not kidding.

00:51:13.800 Yeah, the prime goal was good, but they unwound it.

00:51:16.320 I read a piece by Maureen Dowd eight years ago, probably.

00:51:21.500 And I think that she's a wonderful writer.

00:51:23.000 Obviously, I have never yet agreed with one of her columns, but I usually enjoy reading them.

00:51:27.740 And she wrote one that I found really touching during the second Obama term.

00:51:32.060 And it was about her pity for Joe Biden because Obama treated him like an absolute doormat.

00:51:37.920 And Joe Biden was a loyal and faithful and supportive vice president.

00:51:43.940 He fought all of the fights he needed to fight on behalf of Joe Biden, on behalf of Barack Obama.

00:51:49.980 Barack Obama would continually emasculate him, continually subject him to humiliation and degradation.

00:51:55.700 And yet, Joe Biden continued to be a party man, a company man, and do what he was supposed to do.

00:52:00.020 And there's part of me that has a certain pity for him now because, as you say, for his entire career,

00:52:07.380 he has been the guy who did what his party asked him to do.

00:52:11.220 And those very people truly did—

00:52:14.780 Threw him under the bus.

00:52:15.600 Threw him under the bus.

00:52:16.160 Joe, give up your faith.

00:52:17.440 I mean, that's basically what they said.

00:52:19.000 When your faith contradicts liberalism, go with us.

00:52:22.180 Change your opinion, even on supposedly deeply held views, at a whim.

00:52:25.280 You've got to go.

00:52:25.780 And he did it.

00:52:26.960 And where does it get him?

00:52:28.100 I mean, I guess this is all Faustine bargains.

00:52:30.060 He got the presidency.

00:52:31.200 So he did get the presidency for, what, for five minutes?

00:52:33.580 What are you, 18 months or whatever he was—

00:52:34.860 I also say that on this point,

00:52:37.260 I mean, he got betrayed by everybody in his life,

00:52:39.980 and I have no sympathy for him at all on that point.

00:52:42.700 But this is also just—I want to say because I think that we haven't really—

00:52:47.400 we haven't heard from Joe Biden.

00:52:48.760 At least we don't think we've actually heard his actual voice in a week.

00:52:52.380 And it's a very odd situation to be ghosted by the president,

00:52:55.560 and then he breaks up with you on Twitter, and we don't hear anything from him.

00:52:58.980 And there's a lot of theories about, well, he might be on his deathbed,

00:53:03.300 a lot of reports on Twitter about he's in a medical crisis, he's dying, they're covering it up.

00:53:08.160 And I can understand why people would speculate about that, but it never made any sense to me.

00:53:12.380 But of course, if he was actually in the middle of that kind of potentially fatal medical crisis,

00:53:17.500 that's great for the Democrats because it absolves them of the claim that this is a coup.

00:53:21.780 It legitimizes the coup.

00:53:23.260 It allows them to install Kamala Harris as a president for a few months,

00:53:27.800 which I think helps her politically.

00:53:29.660 So I don't think that's why he's disappeared from the public eye for a few days.

00:53:32.300 I think it's because he had COVID.

00:53:35.740 They shuffled him off into quarantine.

00:53:37.980 And while he's there—and when he left for quarantine,

00:53:39.860 I think he still thought he's going to be president when he comes out.

00:53:41.940 And while he was there over the weekend, they officially put the hammer down on him.

00:53:45.680 And I think on Sunday, he probably would have wanted to talk to the American people,

00:53:49.520 but they didn't want him to because they couldn't trust what he was going to say.

00:53:54.300 And obviously, if Joe Biden comes out in front of the public,

00:53:56.920 because eventually—supposedly he's going to talk to the public tomorrow—

00:53:59.880 if there's even a whiff from Biden that he is bitter about this,

00:54:03.880 that he didn't want it, that he doesn't want to go along with it,

00:54:06.120 even a hint of it, then everything falls apart for the Democrats.

00:54:09.480 Everything falls apart for Kamala,

00:54:10.760 because now she looks like she was scheming against him and pushed the old man out.

00:54:14.380 So I think what happened is that they pushed him out,

00:54:16.920 and they have not really let him get near cameras for the last few days

00:54:20.020 because they want to make sure—I don't know what they're working out behind the scenes,

00:54:23.360 but when he's in front of cameras, he needs to play ball and pretend that he wanted this.

00:54:29.540 And it could be interesting because I don't—you know, we know his penchant for going off script.

00:54:33.340 He did say to Kamala Harris—I actually thought that was him talking,

00:54:37.960 but he said to Kamala Harris,

00:54:38.920 I've got your back, which is exactly what Obama said to him.

00:54:41.660 But he didn't realize Obama meant he was acquiring a target.

00:54:43.840 Yeah, I've got your back on March 15th with a knife.

00:54:47.480 You know, the reason I think it was him on the—and we were just talking backstage about this.

00:54:52.840 I think it was him because if you listen—there were some ums, there were some uhs

00:54:56.100 that are hard to produce in, say, Eleven Labs or any of the audio AI programs,

00:55:00.520 but it sounded like he didn't have his dentures in.

00:55:03.580 It's like that, which we've heard from him before,

00:55:08.180 and we've heard from elderly politicians before.

00:55:10.060 I think that's what was going on.

00:55:11.460 I think that would be very hard to reproduce on AI.

00:55:14.480 Yeah, I agree with him.

00:55:15.120 We are five minutes and 25 seconds away from our big announcement for the night.

00:55:19.800 It will live up.

00:55:20.900 I know sometimes we hype that there's going to be a big announcement,

00:55:24.100 and then it turns out that the big announcement is nothing.

00:55:26.300 We literally don't have a big announcement.

00:55:27.680 This is not one of those.

00:55:29.040 We do have something big to tell you.

00:55:30.180 We're going to share it in five minutes and ten seconds.

00:55:32.700 Between now and then,

00:55:35.740 VP predictions on the left.

00:55:37.400 What do we think is going to happen over here?

00:55:38.680 What does Kamala need to shore up her chances?

00:55:42.140 Cooper in North Carolina seems like a smart choice, if it were me.

00:55:45.440 I know people are talking about Andy Beshear in Kentucky.

00:55:50.260 I don't really buy it.

00:55:51.500 I don't see what he brings to the ticket, other than he's a white guy,

00:55:54.640 and actually that does, in a way, balance out the ticket,

00:55:56.800 though maybe not in the eyes of the Democrats, perhaps for swing voters.

00:56:00.260 Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania I don't buy because the Democrats don't like the Jews.

00:56:05.120 He's too moderate for them.

00:56:06.400 And he's too moderate.

00:56:07.000 I don't think that works for them.

00:56:08.760 Cooper, he kind of looks like a president.

00:56:10.560 You know, North Carolina might help him out in North Carolina.

00:56:13.120 I think there's a good chance.

00:56:14.480 Is he a fighter?

00:56:15.900 He's a, yeah, he's kind of a tough guy.

00:56:18.920 He's more of a tough guy than some of the pushovers.

00:56:21.420 And, you know, you could say, well, the biggest fighter,

00:56:24.380 the American psycho-level Patrick Bateman fighter,

00:56:26.600 is Gavin Newsom in California.

00:56:28.540 But I think a lot of these people,

00:56:30.120 I mean, to the point we were making earlier with Whitmer,

00:56:32.640 Gavin Newsom's a real political talent,

00:56:34.220 and he's a young man by today's standards.

00:56:36.440 He's a child by today's presidential standards.

00:56:38.520 Yeah.

00:56:38.640 So I think a lot of them don't really see a likely path for Kamala.

00:56:43.360 He can't be on the ticket, right?

00:56:44.360 Because he's...

00:56:45.440 Well, you can always...

00:56:46.520 They actually can.

00:56:47.060 Yeah, you can always work it.

00:56:48.420 Like, Bush and Cheney were both in Texas,

00:56:50.700 and Cheney just changed his residency to Wyoming,

00:56:53.220 and he was able to run.

00:56:54.320 So, you know, it's tricky.

00:56:55.920 There were reports that Trump was still considering Rubio.

00:56:58.400 Trump is a Florida resident now.

00:56:59.980 He was still considering Rubio as late as a day or two before the pick.

00:57:04.360 And, you know, you can change it with little residency movements.

00:57:07.940 It's tricky, but you could do it.

00:57:09.580 There are people in the party, by the way.

00:57:11.280 I spoke to people who were very close to Donald Trump,

00:57:15.400 who were with Donald Trump three days before he announced J.D. Vance,

00:57:21.440 and he told them that his pick was Glenn Youngkin.

00:57:23.840 And now, taking a bullet through the year would probably make a man think differently

00:57:28.740 about his vice presidential picks, but this was after that.

00:57:31.740 It was the day immediately after he was shot.

00:57:35.200 I think that it just is the case,

00:57:37.600 that it was very difficult for Donald Trump to decide who he wanted.

00:57:40.660 He probably made up his mind and then changed it a handful of times.

00:57:45.800 And, you know, if you're Trump and you're trying to think of

00:57:49.160 who is my VP candidate going to be,

00:57:51.740 it is a little bit different than what you need if you're Kamala Harris.

00:57:56.300 Typically, you need a fighter to be your vice president,

00:57:58.440 but Trump is the fighter.

00:57:59.880 And so he's, in the case of Mike Pence,

00:58:02.000 he counterbalanced himself not with a hatchet man,

00:58:06.040 but with actually someone who might have a more moderate appeal.

00:58:10.980 It depends on which Kamala they're actually running.

00:58:13.680 That's the thing.

00:58:14.500 Right.

00:58:14.820 We have yet to see who she is going to be.

00:58:17.420 It's also clever of them to finally push Biden out until after the VP pick.

00:58:23.140 I'm elated by the J.D. pick.

00:58:24.800 I think he's terrific.

00:58:25.840 I really like him a lot.

00:58:27.580 So, you know, I would go with him either way.

00:58:30.380 But you are picking your VP based on the ticket you think you're running.

00:58:34.920 If you're the challenger campaign, you're running against the incumbents.

00:58:37.600 You're basing it on the incumbents.

00:58:39.880 And so for them to wait until that, now they have the advantage to counter-program the Trumps.

00:58:48.940 Politicians, except for picking J.D. Vance, politicians never do what I want them to do

00:58:52.300 because I always want them to make the bold move.

00:58:54.340 It's not my job that's on the line, so it's easy.

00:58:56.420 I think she's got the problem that Newsom and Whitmer think they have a path to the presidency,

00:59:01.980 and it's not her.

00:59:03.080 And so why would they get on this train that they think is going to go off the rails?

00:59:07.400 If I were her, if I were she, what I would do is I'd pick a woman.

00:59:11.960 I'd pick a hokul in New York maybe because then you've got something really startling,

00:59:17.380 two women running for president and vice president.

00:59:19.780 Then you have two women who weren't voted, who weren't elected.

00:59:23.400 Perfect. All the better.

00:59:24.600 That's the Democrat Party on wheels, right?

00:59:27.980 You know, actually, though, the New York point is really good

00:59:30.480 because I was talking to sweet little Elisa about this,

00:59:32.720 who has a great political gut, which is why she just never says anything publicly.

00:59:36.500 You know, she's a true market political genius.

00:59:39.840 But she pointed out, had they not metooed Andy Cuomo in order to cover up for his actual scandal,

00:59:46.060 which was screwing up during COVID and killing thousands of people.

00:59:48.880 But had they kept Andy Cuomo, who I think they really pushed out over bogus reasons,

00:59:55.120 he would have been a pretty good pick.

00:59:58.180 Your little Jewish wife and my little Jewish wife, Ben Shapiro, agree on this point.

01:00:04.720 Ben called me 24 hours ago or 48 hours ago and said the exact same thing.

01:00:10.180 He said, it's amazing that they pushed out Cuomo because this would absolutely have been his moment.

01:00:14.680 And they pushed him out front.

01:00:16.440 There were good reasons to push out Cuomo.

01:00:18.780 Those are not the reasons that they chose.

01:00:20.740 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:21.100 Right?

01:00:21.300 They still defend all the actual horrible things that Cuomo did.

01:00:24.380 What they don't like about him is the, well, the things that they all do.

01:00:27.380 He's also, everybody hated him.

01:00:28.660 I mean, he was, everybody despised him in New York.

01:00:31.060 He was just one of those guys that nobody likes.

01:00:33.020 So we are five seconds away from our giant announcement for tonight.

01:00:37.900 Hope that you're still tuning in.

01:00:40.120 And if you're over at dailywire.com as one of our members, thank you.

01:00:44.140 We'll be taking questions from you in only a couple of minutes.

01:00:46.800 I suspect several of them will be on this topic.

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01:01:35.840 Today is another one of those watershed moments in the life of our company.

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01:01:53.380 That's why today I'm proud to announce that Matt Walsh has a brand new movie.

01:01:57.300 And this time, it's coming to the big screen.

01:01:59.960 This time, it's more than just a documentary.

01:02:01.920 It's a social experiment.

01:02:03.440 His target, the twisted racists and grifters who make their living teaching Americans

01:02:07.640 to hate each other and themselves in the name of anti-racism.

01:02:11.640 On September 13th, it's coming to a theater near you, and it's called Am I Racist?

01:02:17.440 Let's be clear what's happening in this country.

01:02:19.160 It's Nazism.

01:02:20.840 Republicans are Nazis.

01:02:21.820 You cannot separate yourselves from the bad white people.

01:02:26.780 Growing up in the 90s, I never thought much about race.

01:02:29.840 Sure, you noticed, but it never really seemed to matter that much.

01:02:32.880 At least not to me.

01:02:33.840 Being a white, straight, cisgender man, it's the top of the pile.

01:02:37.060 I'm on the top of the pile.

01:02:37.960 That's me.

01:02:38.980 Am I racist?

01:02:40.380 I would really appreciate it if you left.

01:02:41.880 I'm trying to learn.

01:02:42.600 I'm on this journey.

01:02:43.320 Can you please leave?

01:02:45.020 If I'm going to sort this out, I need to go deeper undercover.

01:02:47.660 If I want to be an ally, I need to look like one.

01:02:56.060 What is racism?

01:02:57.740 Martin Luther King said not to judge people by the...

01:03:00.060 Martin Luther King said a lot of stuff.

01:03:02.000 Is America inherently racist?

01:03:03.820 What the hell is that?

01:03:04.600 The word inherent is challenging there.

01:03:07.260 America is racist to its bones.

01:03:09.260 All of the...

01:03:09.680 So inherently.

01:03:10.380 Yeah.

01:03:10.900 The entire system has to burn.

01:03:12.940 And I'm not going to even use save this country.

01:03:14.440 This country is not worth saving.

01:03:15.920 This country is a piece of shit.

01:03:17.660 Oh, sorry.

01:03:21.680 Sorry.

01:03:22.960 They're going to say I'm racist.

01:03:24.240 Joining us now is Matt, certified DEI expert.

01:03:27.700 Here's my certification.

01:03:28.720 Where are you guys in your anti-racist journeys?

01:03:32.400 So I'll look around the room and point to who we believe is the most racist person in the room.

01:03:39.060 We want to rename the George Washington Monument to the George Floyd Monument.

01:03:42.220 Would you mind signing it?

01:03:43.120 You will?

01:03:43.480 What do you think about this issue of heteronormativity and how it intersects with the broader structures of racism in society?

01:03:52.120 Oh.

01:03:53.440 What's up with white people?

01:03:56.040 What are you doing to de-center your whiteness?

01:03:58.780 Who's making it the center?

01:03:59.640 Why are they doing that?

01:04:00.400 And what you're doing is you're stretching out of your whiteness.

01:04:03.760 This is more for you in this field.

01:04:06.640 White.

01:04:07.200 Folks.

01:04:07.680 White.

01:04:07.880 Trash.

01:04:08.180 White.

01:04:08.440 Supremacy.

01:04:08.980 White woman.

01:04:09.560 White boy.

01:04:10.160 White.

01:04:10.360 Entitlement.

01:04:10.920 White.

01:04:11.120 Centering.

01:04:11.640 White.

01:04:11.900 Silence.

01:04:12.420 Is there a black person around here?

01:04:13.820 There's a black person right here.

01:04:15.240 Does he not exist?

01:04:16.080 They gon' say I'm racist, but they call everybody racist.

01:04:20.820 Hi, Robin.

01:04:21.460 Hi.

01:04:22.360 And what's your name?

01:04:23.680 I'm Matt.

01:04:24.360 Matt.

01:04:24.700 Hi, Matt.

01:04:25.300 Thanks to meet you.

01:04:26.640 I just had to ask who you are because you have to be careful.

01:04:30.800 Never be too careful.

01:04:31.880 They gon' say you racist, but they call everybody racist.

01:04:35.780 That's Robin DiAngelo.

01:04:44.000 That is Robin DiAngelo.

01:04:44.940 That is the, like, head of the anti-racist movement.

01:04:49.700 That's her.

01:04:50.340 How did you get her?

01:04:52.760 I can't reveal our sequence.

01:04:53.980 I can't reveal it, yeah.

01:04:54.840 Of course I can't reveal it.

01:04:55.540 But it was, you know, it's tough because there's so many things about this film that I want to talk about, but I don't want to spoil.

01:05:02.120 There's so much that's not in there, including where that particular conversation goes.

01:05:09.540 And all I can say is it goes to a pretty wild place.

01:05:14.080 But, you know, we can't give it away.

01:05:15.780 And, look, we've been working on this film for a long time, over a year, this journey of mine into anti-racism and eventually into DEI.

01:05:27.980 And, of course, you know, the thing hanging over this film as we started to make it is that, is what is a woman?

01:05:35.980 And we know that that's sort of the expectation.

01:05:40.120 We have to kind of live up to that.

01:05:41.720 And so we're all, we're very cognizant of that the whole time.

01:05:44.700 And that was one of our incentives to approach the film and approach this subject in a very, very different way.

01:05:51.240 There are a lot of through lines, you know, if you liked what is a woman, I think there's a lot of things in this that you're going to, you're going to, you're going to notice a lot of kind of things, similar sort of style.

01:06:00.440 But one of the big sort of differences here, I think, is that we started with, on this journey into anti-racism and just kind of asking people questions as we did in What is a Woman?

01:06:15.760 But in this case, we decided that, you know, I'm just going to, I'm going to ask the questions and I'm going to get the answers and I'll believe the answers.

01:06:25.220 And I'm going to let these people guide me on each step of the journey.

01:06:29.800 And so I'm going to, I'm going to take what they tell me and try to put it into practice.

01:06:34.740 And that just takes us down a rabbit hole that by the end of the, by the end of the film is, is, it's pretty wild as it, as it continues.

01:06:44.520 I have to say my, my security at the RNC had been your security on this picture and they were singing, it's great.

01:06:52.880 I mean, they couldn't stop saying how great it was and how fabulous they thought Justin, folk who directed it and you were, they just loved it.

01:07:01.440 People are not going to believe the content of this film.

01:07:04.840 And in part, it's because in What is a Woman, Matt sort of takes the approach of being the everyman and hearing from the radical transhumanists what they actually think.

01:07:15.000 This is different because we, in some ways, we know what the quote unquote anti-racists think.

01:07:20.040 They've had 40 years of promulgating their deeply racist view of white America.

01:07:26.420 And so what, what Matt does here that I don't think anyone has ever done in any conservative film before is he takes a page from the book of people like, um, uh, Sasha Baron Cohen, people, even like Jon Stewart during the heyday of, of, of, uh, uh, um, the Daily Show.

01:07:45.380 So thank you.

01:07:46.500 He actually trolls them.

01:07:48.840 He, yes, he lets them speak in their own words.

01:07:50.700 It's not, this isn't about selective editing.

01:07:52.440 This isn't, but, but he actually allows them.

01:07:55.940 He makes fun of them in the room with them and they still don't get it because they have been so secure for so long in their position.

01:08:03.600 And so this movie has a different attitude to your point than what is a woman.

01:08:08.080 This movie, yes, reveals what they believe.

01:08:10.380 Yes, reveals how insidious, uh, is their worldview, but also mocks them.

01:08:15.560 And the right has for too long been afraid to mock the horrible people and horrible ideas on the left.

01:08:23.560 So this truly is, uh, it is a successor to what is a woman in, in fact, but it, but it is something new.

01:08:33.160 It is something different in kind, uh, than, that's why we're saying it's not just a documentary.

01:08:37.640 It's a social experiment.

01:08:38.920 Part of what we're saying is it's not just, it is a documentary.

01:08:42.020 It all really happened, but it goes so far beyond just being a documentary.

01:08:47.180 Uh, and we're, we're very proud of it.

01:08:49.620 I'm very proud, I have to say, as the founder of the company, it's, it's an amazing thing to play one of our trailers and to have that MPAA rating in front of the trailer because this is a theatrical film that is coming out in theaters on September 13th.

01:09:07.480 Tickets will go on sale, uh, in just a little over two weeks.

01:09:11.340 It'll be nationwide, but this is, this is an actual rated theatrical movie.

01:09:17.620 We were very, we were very happy to get the PG-13, by the way.

01:09:19.740 That was a little worried about hitting, getting hit with the R, but you know, PG-13 is good.

01:09:24.080 PG-13 is good.

01:09:24.800 And it is, it is PG-13.

01:09:26.820 It's the right rating.

01:09:28.300 Yeah.

01:09:28.660 Yeah, absolutely.

01:09:29.540 I mean, that's why I was saying with this, with this film, it's kind of, it's with what is a woman?

01:09:35.720 It was asking a question, remaining sort of a blank slate, skeptical through the whole thing.

01:09:40.300 Uh, with this, it's really just a, it's a pretty simple pivot at the beginning of, uh, rather than remaining skeptical, just, okay, I'll buy that.

01:09:50.420 So this is what you tell me.

01:09:51.820 Uh, America's inherently racist, so on and so on.

01:09:54.340 And I'll buy that.

01:09:55.420 So that, that takes me to the next person I have to talk to.

01:09:58.420 And they tell me this.

01:09:59.200 And, and just seeing what happens when you, um, put it into action and also embody, because that's something that the left has done, to your point, Jeremy, that the left has employed this tactic to great success of actually embodying what they believe to be a version of conservatism and then sort of shining it back into our faces.

01:10:19.320 And it's always really cartoonish and not accurate.

01:10:21.540 But, so here's a similar, a similar tactic of, uh, we're going to embody, uh, what this thing is and kind of reveal its absurdities that way.

01:10:30.960 I think if it's as good as a trailer, it's going to be a smash.

01:10:33.460 When you, when you hear the things that Sarah Rao, for example, says behind closed doors, when you see the things that Matt is able to drive them to in conversation and they go along with it because their worldview will not allow them to stop even at the most sort of absurd expressions of their belief set.

01:10:55.520 Even when they sort of, even when they sort of know that they're moving into territory that's uncomfortable, they can't stop because he, he has so perfectly allowed them to step into the trap of their own making, the trap of their own worldview.

01:11:08.240 Truly, the funniest thing to me that's happening in the world right now is that Sarah Rao and Robin DiAngelo and so many other people in this film, they know what they said.

01:11:20.280 They know what they did. They know the things that aren't in the trailer. And I know that they just saw this trailer and went, oh, crap.

01:11:29.180 Oh, crap. It's important.

01:11:30.560 It couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.

01:11:33.200 It's important to note, though, you didn't punk them. You punked them in the sense that.

01:11:38.280 The hair.

01:11:38.920 They didn't know who you are and you had the hair. But you didn't punk them in the sense that you, you didn't make them say anything.

01:11:45.200 They said what they want to say.

01:11:46.620 And there's no, no clever editing to make, put words in their mouth or anything like that.

01:11:50.040 But they said what they said.

01:11:51.240 Sarah Rao is that the scene at the beginning sitting around.

01:11:54.500 Again, I don't want to give too much away, but that's, that's, people who are really plugged into this might recognize that scene there because that's called Race to Dinner where they charge white women to come to dinner and call them racist for two hours.

01:12:09.020 And it was one, when we first started making this film, my great dream, because I knew about this Race to Dinner thing.

01:12:15.440 I heard about it years ago and I said, we have to get in the room for one of those things.

01:12:19.460 I just need to be there for it.

01:12:21.200 And we, you know, turns out you have to be, you actually have to be a biological woman.

01:12:26.660 They pretty much specify that to be at the dinner.

01:12:29.880 But there are other ways we discovered to get into the room, even as a white man.

01:12:34.420 And the things that are said at that dinner are just, are, are, are funny from a distance, but also quite horrifying, especially when you're, when you, when you see these women that are sitting there and just absorbing it.

01:12:46.080 Um, it's probably the most intense brainwashing session I've ever witnessed.

01:12:51.360 Wow.

01:12:52.160 And a little piece of, a little spoiler here.

01:12:56.760 Matt did get recognized once and they called the police.

01:13:00.860 Really?

01:13:01.400 Well, we've all done that.

01:13:02.400 And it's all, and it's all on camera.

01:13:04.640 We won't say where it happens or when it happens, but just know that for there to be someone who disagrees in the room is a threat to these people.

01:13:13.920 Like the very presence of someone with a different opinion is an act in itself of physical violence.

01:13:20.080 It's called Am I Racist?

01:13:21.300 It's coming to theater September 13th.

01:13:23.080 Be watching, uh, for tickets to go on sale in about two and a half weeks.

01:13:27.460 In fact, we're hopeful that tickets will go on sale, um, corresponding with our event at the Ryman Auditorium backstage coming to you live at the Ryman Auditorium, uh, Auditorium here in Nashville, Tennessee on August 14th.

01:13:39.420 There are tickets still available right now for that.

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01:13:56.060 We're going to move into taking some questions from some of our Daily Wire members right now.

01:14:00.680 I'm hoping we get a question from our friend Laurel, because, uh, it's her birthday.

01:14:05.820 Happy birthday, Laurel.

01:14:06.840 Great.

01:14:07.660 Many happy returns.

01:14:08.640 What are the chances they toss Kamala aside if her internal, uh, if her initial poll numbers are in the basement before the convention?

01:14:16.680 Listen, they love to run things, people from the basement.

01:14:19.800 That was their old 20 strategy.

01:14:22.000 It'd be very hard for them to set Kamala aside at this point.

01:14:25.700 The only Obama has kept his powder dry on this once Nancy Pelosi went over and endorsed her.

01:14:31.000 Schumer already did, too.

01:14:31.860 Yeah, yeah, I think they're all in, and I do believe that they're sort of saying at this point, you know, after all their Trump will destroy democracy and Trump is Hitler.

01:14:40.440 They're actually saying, well, four years of Trump, then we'll be back.

01:14:43.380 And I think that, uh, what they wanted was they wanted the bleeding to stop because of the guys lower down on the ticket.

01:14:50.180 And I think that that's what they've achieved, and I don't see why they would throw her aside from that.

01:14:53.840 Yeah, it's, it's hard.

01:14:55.340 You, you get one do-over.

01:14:56.960 I don't know that you get two do-overs.

01:14:59.040 Look, a lot has happened in nine days, so, uh, three and a half weeks is a long time until a convention.

01:15:04.340 But it, it would seem to me, once Hakeem Jeffries came out, Schumer both had the same line.

01:15:08.780 They said, this is a grassroots movement to, to put Kamala on the ballot.

01:15:12.340 From the bottom up, not the top down.

01:15:13.900 That's why no one voted for it.

01:15:15.040 And, uh, you know.

01:15:16.580 And we're not going to dare give him a chance.

01:15:18.080 Yeah, I, I think, um, it really, whatever the Obamas do at this point, I think it's, the fix is kind of in.

01:15:23.760 Yeah.

01:15:24.480 Can President Obama be appointed as VP on the Harris ticket?

01:15:28.860 This is sort of an interesting question.

01:15:31.420 Michael, you might know the law better than I.

01:15:33.120 My, my belief is no.

01:15:35.320 I believe the answer is no.

01:15:36.560 Because he is ineligible.

01:15:37.600 But it is kind of a gray, he's not like, uh, descriptively prohibited.

01:15:42.440 But since he isn't eligible to serve again as President of the United States, I think it's sort of like.

01:15:46.800 Yeah.

01:15:47.080 I don't think he wants it either.

01:15:48.280 He, he, he wouldn't want it.

01:15:49.380 No President would want it.

01:15:50.440 And he, he would be constitutionally ineligible from fulfilling really the only duty of the office, which is to step.

01:15:56.780 Well, to.

01:15:57.520 President of the Senate.

01:15:58.000 President of the Senate.

01:15:58.920 And, and then also to, to assume the office.

01:16:00.400 So, I don't, I don't think, I think he likes his place in Maui.

01:16:04.720 Is that the Chris wig from Lady Ballers, Matt?

01:16:09.340 Uh, that is.

01:16:11.220 That is.

01:16:11.780 Although, I think it's kind of.

01:16:13.440 I think we can, we should just tell them.

01:16:15.220 It's complicated.

01:16:16.440 Yeah, it's a little.

01:16:16.940 Because the Chris wig from Lady Ballers is, it's more the other way around.

01:16:20.020 So.

01:16:20.360 These things were happening, yeah.

01:16:21.380 The documentary was mostly shot.

01:16:24.200 And we thought it would come out before Lady Ballers, when we started making Lady Ballers.

01:16:30.240 And we thought it would be fun if Matt's character from Am I Racist was the character in Lady Ballers.

01:16:37.460 But then nothing ever happens the way that you think it's going to happen.

01:16:39.700 And so, it all got confusing.

01:16:42.180 And now.

01:16:43.720 It's really confusing because that character from Lady Ballers and Am I Racist actually becomes Matt Walsh of the Matt Walsh Show.

01:16:50.840 Which we thought, we thought those were both going to come out before the Matt Walsh Show launched.

01:16:54.040 So, it's very, it's like Inception, kind of.

01:16:57.000 It's like.

01:16:58.160 I do feel like Nolan.

01:16:58.980 I feel a little like Chris Nolan.

01:17:00.240 Inception.

01:17:00.580 Yeah.

01:17:00.760 Parallel universes are a hot thing in movies these days.

01:17:03.760 So, it's a little bit like that.

01:17:04.740 Parallel universes.

01:17:06.320 Can my 13-year-old go with me to see Am I Racist?

01:17:10.520 Oh, man.

01:17:11.460 Yes.

01:17:12.020 I would say.

01:17:12.540 What does the MPAA say?

01:17:13.840 Yeah.

01:17:14.160 The MPAA says yes.

01:17:15.660 The movie is PG-13.

01:17:17.720 It is not rated R.

01:17:19.000 And I don't just mean that it's not rated R because we eked it out and didn't get an R rating.

01:17:24.500 It was, it is PG-13.

01:17:26.820 Now, that said, not every parent is comfortable taking their kid to a PG-13 movie.

01:17:32.140 It is not PG.

01:17:33.900 There is, it's, it has a few racy moments.

01:17:37.460 It has some colorful characters who say colorful things.

01:17:40.620 Hey, characters of color, I think is what you're saying.

01:17:42.820 Aww.

01:17:43.260 And so, I think that it is, some parental discretion is, is well-merited here, but.

01:17:50.020 And I would say it's the parent, the decision to bring your kid, it's less about the language

01:17:55.600 because there's not a lot of it and that sort of thing.

01:17:56.980 It's more just the, it's just the topic.

01:17:59.500 Do you think you're, do you want to, is your child ready to be introduced to topics like that?

01:18:06.200 So, that's really, that's, that's, that's the decision there.

01:18:08.820 This question's for Ben Shapiro and it's from our friend Laurel.

01:18:11.480 Happy birthday, Laurel.

01:18:12.300 I said it twice, although I think somebody just told me in a chat that it's not actually

01:18:16.040 your birthday.

01:18:16.740 Maybe your birthday was a day or two ago.

01:18:19.100 And so, I feel, well, scammed.

01:18:21.940 Yeah, tricked.

01:18:23.100 If you were a presidential nominee, Ben, who would you pick as your VP?

01:18:28.480 Who?

01:18:30.780 I think that right now in American politics, somebody competent, I mean, listen, the obvious

01:18:35.680 answer is my favorite governor in the whole wide world, Ron DeSantis, would be a great VP

01:18:38.980 because you know that he would take care of business inside the executive branch.

01:18:42.460 God forbid something happened to you.

01:18:43.960 He would be an excellent president of the United States.

01:18:45.940 But again, I think that a lot of the people that Trump considered would be very good VPs.

01:18:50.640 And Tom Cotton from Arkansas is another person of whom I'm very fond.

01:18:54.000 I think that he's very hardcore, obviously, in terms of defending America's interests abroad.

01:18:58.720 I think he'd make an excellent secretary of defense if Donald Trump decides to look that

01:19:01.920 way.

01:19:02.080 But again, I think that there are a lot of really good candidates.

01:19:04.480 And as for J.D., I think J.D.'s a brilliant guy, and he's a good pick for Trump.

01:19:08.500 I'm sitting right here.

01:19:09.340 The question was, who would you pick for VP?

01:19:11.160 I'm sitting right here.

01:19:12.300 I teed up the question.

01:19:14.420 You're chief of staff.

01:19:15.660 We know this already.

01:19:16.480 You're chief of staff.

01:19:17.440 And Michael Knowles is press secretary because that dude will say anything for money.

01:19:20.800 Wait a second.

01:19:21.380 Hold on.

01:19:21.900 Wait.

01:19:22.460 I guess that's a compliment.

01:19:23.860 I got a job in the admin.

01:19:25.300 I'll take it.

01:19:26.680 Matt, would you have shaved your beard if it would help disguise you more for the documentary?

01:19:31.120 No, I would not have.

01:19:33.000 We had this.

01:19:33.340 This is a long conversation we had early on making the film.

01:19:36.160 And we talked about what are easy ways that I can disguise myself.

01:19:39.020 And that, of course, was tossed out there.

01:19:41.820 But I said that that's just a line I won't cross.

01:19:44.440 Because then I have to live.

01:19:45.280 You know, if I didn't have to.

01:19:46.080 The thing is, I had to do the podcast at the same time.

01:19:48.220 If I could just shave the beard and then do this and then hide myself in shame until

01:19:51.860 it grows back and then appear again on camera, then I would.

01:19:54.800 But living as a beardless person in my day-to-day life, I can't imagine what you guys go through.

01:20:00.860 No, not everyone's cut out for it.

01:20:03.880 If you had, would you have used a Jeremy's razor?

01:20:07.200 I mean, that's, yes.

01:20:09.400 It's not a true, the question's rhetorical.

01:20:11.900 Was Vance a mistake now that they're not running against a dead person?

01:20:16.400 I don't think so.

01:20:17.120 No, I think Vance was a good pick.

01:20:18.580 I think Vance was a good pick because he is super sharp.

01:20:23.620 He's young.

01:20:24.500 He's ambitious.

01:20:26.000 He's capable.

01:20:26.720 He's all those things that you want.

01:20:28.660 And because Trump made a decision here that he wanted a pick for legacy, he wanted a pick

01:20:33.460 for the future.

01:20:34.340 He could have picked a guy who was going to be a nice little foil for four years and then

01:20:38.760 faded away into the bushes.

01:20:40.460 But that's not what he wanted.

01:20:41.780 I'm glad that's not what he wanted.

01:20:43.580 And J.D., I think, can create a vision of the Trump movement, such as it is, into 2028,

01:20:50.820 2032.

01:20:51.360 And so that, I think, is great.

01:20:53.540 I think it's also in an age where people are so sick of identity politics and wokeism and

01:20:59.480 whatever euphemism you want to use, I actually think it's bold to pick just like a kind of

01:21:03.860 normal-looking dude from Ohio who, by the way, has bona fides in the mainstream culture

01:21:10.160 because he had this best-selling memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, that was made into a movie.

01:21:13.980 Now the libs hate him and disavow him.

01:21:15.820 But, you know, this is a guy who has real appeal, especially to the voters Trump needs

01:21:20.120 to drive out, which is in the Rust Belt.

01:21:21.960 Yeah, I agree.

01:21:23.040 Here's a tough question.

01:21:23.980 I kind of disagree.

01:21:25.080 Well, let me throw this to you.

01:21:26.580 Let me throw this question to you, Ben, because I think that it gets to the disagreement.

01:21:30.820 As someone who believes in the free market, what is your justification for supporting someone

01:21:35.580 as anti-free market as J.D. Vance?

01:21:39.920 Okay, so that wasn't exactly where I was going to go, but I'll answer that question as well

01:21:42.700 as the last one.

01:21:43.300 As far as the last one and whether J.D. is a good pick in a competitive race, I think

01:21:48.540 obviously there are other picks that Trump could have made that would have been more

01:21:51.380 likely to reach out to the middle, more likely to create a feeling of solidity as opposed

01:21:55.860 to sort of an aggressive attack dog as J.D. Vance is going to be for President Trump.

01:22:00.160 If you pick Glenn Youngkin, I think, frankly, that he probably would have won Virginia and

01:22:04.200 would have given him a leg up in some of the other states.

01:22:06.160 Trump was already running very strong, probably ahead of J.D. Vance in places like Ohio, Michigan,

01:22:09.740 Pennsylvania.

01:22:10.080 Okay, as far as the actual free market question, I think it's yet to be decided just where

01:22:14.460 J.D. is on the free market.

01:22:15.940 If you read Hillbilly Elegy, that is one version of J.D. Vance.

01:22:18.380 And if you listen to his speech from the RNC, that is a very different version of J.D.

01:22:21.840 Vance.

01:22:22.280 Hillbilly Elegy is essentially about how people who have been left behind have also engaged

01:22:27.940 in a culture that keeps them down.

01:22:29.900 It's a culture that has moved away from church, a culture that no longer sees agency as the

01:22:34.840 center point of success in America and instead blames the outside forces.

01:22:39.000 That's the J.D. Vance that is very pro-free market and actually was very tied into the

01:22:43.340 tech culture.

01:22:43.940 For example, he founded like an entire tech company after he wrote Hillbilly Elegy.

01:22:47.700 He's very tied in with the tech culture now in San Francisco, actually, despite all the

01:22:52.820 talk to the contrary.

01:22:53.440 Then there's the J.D. Vance who was speaking at the RNC, who was talking about how essentially

01:22:58.920 everybody had been left behind in these Rust Belt states, sort of Henry Olsen argument.

01:23:02.900 That sounds very much like almost Sherrod Brown or like the union head who spoke a couple

01:23:06.940 of nights beforehand.

01:23:07.840 There was no mention of the free market, no mention of entrepreneurship.

01:23:10.440 I think it sort of has to be left to the imagination exactly what J.D. Vance believes at this point.

01:23:15.580 I'm not sure anybody really knows.

01:23:17.000 He's done some interviews where he sounds a lot like Elizabeth Warren, and then he's done

01:23:19.700 some interviews where he sounds a lot more like Jeremy or me when it comes to the

01:23:23.220 free market.

01:23:23.620 My guess is the answer is something in between.

01:23:25.340 J.D. is certainly smart enough to understand the incredible power of the free market and

01:23:29.060 entrepreneurship.

01:23:30.020 I think he may be able to, he may be trying to sand off the hard edges.

01:23:34.320 This would be the sort of optimistic view from my perspective as somebody who's very free

01:23:37.780 market oriented.

01:23:38.300 He may be trying to sand off the rough edges of the free market economy for particular

01:23:44.060 constituencies located in the Rust Belt.

01:23:46.100 Again, not something that I particularly love, but something I can understand.

01:23:49.340 And with that said, if J.D. Vance is going so populist that he's sort of horseshoe theorying

01:23:54.360 around all the way to Bernie Sanders, I think that everybody in the room would agree that's

01:23:56.980 a problem.

01:23:57.700 Yeah, I think that I do think that's that's my concern, obviously.

01:24:01.020 I don't think he's going to do that.

01:24:02.600 But I do think the important thing for a long time, the big divide in this country is not

01:24:06.860 right and left.

01:24:07.840 It's pro the founding and anti the founding.

01:24:10.480 I think he's pro the founding.

01:24:11.660 I think he is anti woke, which I think is a huge deal.

01:24:15.480 I mean, I think I don't think people in media and people who are financially secure understand

01:24:20.320 the power, the destructive power of woke.

01:24:23.600 I think it is the thing that we should be the battle we should be fighting.

01:24:26.520 I think he's the right guy to fight it.

01:24:28.420 I think he gets it.

01:24:29.420 These but I do confess that these are my concerns about him, that he's so anti free market,

01:24:34.580 that he's a Bernie bro.

01:24:35.700 But I just don't think I'm hoping he's not going to go there.

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01:25:17.880 make those sorts of things possible.

01:25:19.580 So here's another question from one of those members.

01:25:22.160 Will using the 25th Amendment against Biden be a boost for Kamala as it makes her the first

01:25:27.120 black and Indian and female president, even without being able to say, quote, elected?

01:25:31.960 Yeah, I think it would certainly be a big boost for her because, I mean, it automatically

01:25:38.640 makes her a historic figure because she is the first female president.

01:25:42.520 And the emotional blackmail, I think, is ramped up even more because then it's like, are you

01:25:46.880 really going to fire the first female president after five months?

01:25:49.720 Which, of course, I would easily say yes.

01:25:51.300 But I don't know if...

01:25:52.560 I'd keep her as long as I could pay her 75 cents on the dollar.

01:25:54.740 Right.

01:25:54.960 Well, that's true.

01:25:55.600 She is cheaper.

01:25:56.040 But with that said, I think it would be a big boost for her politically, but I still

01:26:00.320 think they should do it because even though I'm worried about the politics of it and how

01:26:06.080 it would help them, I am also more worried about the fate of this country and actually

01:26:10.900 having a president for six months who has announced himself to be mentally incompetent

01:26:15.440 is just, it's way too dangerous to tolerate.

01:26:20.500 I completely agree.

01:26:21.480 She is more likely to win if she ascends the presidency, say, this week.

01:26:27.660 And yet, six months is a long time in the history of the world, and this country cannot

01:26:32.320 be without a president.

01:26:33.940 It is an incredibly dangerous moment, and we're blasé about it because our every thought

01:26:39.600 is fixed on this election.

01:26:41.560 Well, also because we don't think he's been president for the last year.

01:26:44.020 That's the key, I guess.

01:26:45.460 It is different.

01:26:46.180 It's different when people know it.

01:26:47.300 That's right.

01:26:47.840 It's different when our enemies know it.

01:26:49.240 But don't you think, maybe some people who only watch the establishment media, they

01:26:54.820 thought that Biden was really functioning.

01:26:56.860 But Vladimir Putin, you know, the FSB is still a pretty good intelligence service.

01:27:01.540 Xi Jinping, he's still got some pretty good spies.

01:27:04.080 And also, they have eyes and ears, and they don't just listen to NBC.

01:27:07.920 They knew, you know.

01:27:09.400 And by the way, America in the world has been run horribly since Biden was elected and then

01:27:15.580 this committee of whoever was running things.

01:27:17.520 So it's not that it's all gone well, but I don't think it'll, from now on, go worse

01:27:22.560 than it's been going.

01:27:23.800 I guess some might say it couldn't go worse.

01:27:26.200 It can always go worse.

01:27:28.380 Would JFK be disappointed in the Democratic Party if he were alive today?

01:27:32.100 This is such a hilarious question because I always say to people, I am a JFK Democrat,

01:27:37.280 or as they call us now, a radical MAGA, fascist, you know, white man.

01:27:40.780 And that's basically, JFK was a conservative.

01:27:44.520 I mean, he was a tax-cutting, strong-defense, anti-communist guy who, you know, understood

01:27:51.820 the civil rights movement had a point.

01:27:53.500 That was his big liberal thing.

01:27:55.660 And who had to have sex at least once a day or could get headaches.

01:27:58.640 That was the one thing.

01:27:59.320 The women that were most attractive in the Democratic Party.

01:28:02.660 And they also, the Me Too stuff, he might not like that.

01:28:05.400 But, you know, sure, if you say, compare the Democrats now to Democrats in the 60s, yeah,

01:28:11.560 they were much more conservative in the 60s.

01:28:13.600 But if JFK were alive today, or let's say he were a younger man, no, he'd be a huge lib

01:28:19.080 because all the Kennedys are big libs, even RFK, who's not a doctrinaire, a Democrat Party

01:28:24.420 libs, but he's a big lib, too.

01:28:25.780 He'd just be a big lib.

01:28:27.000 Like, I think...

01:28:27.520 Okay, so you mean if you don't just transport...

01:28:29.300 I was just transporting him from his...

01:28:31.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

01:28:32.180 Grover Cleveland would probably be a Republican today, too, but, you know, a different time.

01:28:35.760 Yeah, this is the problem with hypotheticals.

01:28:37.380 There's no such thing.

01:28:38.580 Is Sweet Daddy Walsh's look based on Carpanzi from Bertram?

01:28:42.600 Hmm.

01:28:43.820 I feel dirty.

01:28:44.460 I don't like all these accusations of this, you know, appropriation.

01:28:47.840 If anything, the inspiration goes the other way.

01:28:50.360 I think it's fair to say that we've all been inspired by Matt.

01:28:54.580 Will Matt's movie be in Canada?

01:28:57.060 I hope not.

01:28:57.840 Gee, can you imagine?

01:28:59.420 America's evil top hat?

01:29:00.840 Think of such a thing.

01:29:02.100 Wait, Canada's on top of America?

01:29:05.500 Oh.

01:29:06.880 Yeah, it's confusing.

01:29:08.660 We haven't paid a lot of attention to geopolitics.

01:29:11.620 I've never known where the hell it was.

01:29:12.820 Does anyone else think that there will be a tsunami of illegals voting in the 2024 election?

01:29:18.120 That will swamp all the Republican races that matter.

01:29:21.320 Not a tsunami.

01:29:22.200 I think it's a problem.

01:29:23.240 There will be a bunch of them.

01:29:24.300 But, yeah, not a tsunami.

01:29:25.100 I mean, the thing is that they really have registered illegal aliens to vote.

01:29:29.080 And there are all sorts of laws that facilitate this, like giving driver's licenses or IDs to

01:29:34.500 illegal aliens, then motor voter laws where you get automatic or encouraged registration.

01:29:38.340 So they're doing it.

01:29:39.440 I mean, there's no question that they're doing it.

01:29:40.740 I just, I don't know that it's really significant.

01:29:43.620 And I don't know that their get-out-the-vote operation is targeted enough at illegals for

01:29:47.620 that to, there are other ways for them to rig the election, I think.

01:29:50.020 I am more cynical than you about this.

01:29:52.200 You know, I, as early as 2009 put out, or 2010 put out a movie on the topic of America's

01:29:59.340 Southern border, I think that it is unbelievable.

01:30:01.480 When you look at Texas going from being a red state to an almost purple state at this point,

01:30:08.340 it's actually because of immigration that's happening.

01:30:12.040 And it's not the immigration of Californians into California.

01:30:15.220 It's native-born Texans who are first-generation children of mostly illegal immigrants.

01:30:21.580 That's different.

01:30:22.300 That's different.

01:30:22.860 And that is a big problem.

01:30:24.000 That's why they do it, by the way.

01:30:24.920 You know, Reagan had this line, he said, the Hispanics are Republicans, they just don't

01:30:29.860 know it yet.

01:30:30.500 And that's true of certain groups like Cubans, which is why Obama shut down immigration from

01:30:34.740 Cuba and killed a wet foot, dry foot.

01:30:37.000 But generally speaking, no, Hispanic voters, even as they move largely, you know, in great

01:30:42.820 numbers to Republicans, they are overwhelmingly Democrats.

01:30:45.600 After the big 20-point shift, Biden was still leading, 51, with the majority of Hispanic

01:30:50.460 boats, and to end, second generation, even down to the third generation, they still identify

01:30:56.200 overwhelmingly with Democrats.

01:30:58.540 Is there any legal argument Trump can use to litigate Kamala jumping into this so late

01:31:04.220 in the process?

01:31:05.280 No.

01:31:05.800 No.

01:31:06.360 I do want to speak to this point, though.

01:31:09.080 I think there are some voices on the right.

01:31:12.020 Many of them are never Trump voices, National Review guys from 2016, guys who I still like

01:31:19.640 to read, and I think in many ways, I still agree with them on many things.

01:31:24.200 I think they just let Trump rot a part of their brain.

01:31:30.660 And they're really defending what the Democrats just did.

01:31:34.120 And they're saying things like, until 1972, it was almost all brokered conventions.

01:31:40.080 And this is how it works.

01:31:41.180 You know, the parties aren't subject to Democratic processes.

01:31:44.460 The parties get to pick whoever they want as their nominee, but whatever process they

01:31:48.480 want as their nominee, and that's good, and that's how it should be.

01:31:51.400 And my argument, to rebut them, is when we had brokered conventions, we had them before

01:31:58.680 the legal filing deadlines in the freaking states.

01:32:02.580 The fact that the Democrats chose to stage their convention in late August, after the filing

01:32:08.500 deadline, meaning after the date at which it's no longer lawful to change on the ballot who

01:32:13.560 the candidate even is, speaks to the fact that never in a million years did they believe

01:32:20.680 that there could be a brokered convention.

01:32:22.520 Because truly, if they elected a candidate at a brokered convention, it would be illegal

01:32:26.640 to put them on ballots in like one-third of the states.

01:32:29.420 The idea that the brokered convention is really still a thing.

01:32:33.360 Remember back to, I believe it was 2016, but it could have been 2020, when, yeah, it was

01:32:42.260 2016, it was certainly 2016, when Bernie had won a considerable number of delegates.

01:32:48.700 And they were concerned that if Hillary didn't win the nomination in the first vote at their

01:32:54.060 convention, she might not win it at all, and Bernie might become the nominee.

01:32:58.440 And what was Nancy Pelosi's answer to that?

01:33:01.240 She was the president of the DNC that particular year.

01:33:04.820 And she came out and said, well, because we can no longer even have the idea of a brokered

01:33:09.740 convention, because we couldn't even get on the ballot if we had brokered conventions,

01:33:13.240 we're not going to count the votes at all.

01:33:17.160 And instead, we're going to do an audible vote.

01:33:22.020 And she said, and you can look this clip up, I swear I'm not making this up.

01:33:25.460 She said, all those in favor of making Hillary Clinton the Democrat nominee for president of

01:33:30.400 the United States, say aye.

01:33:31.980 And you hear a resounding number of ayes.

01:33:35.440 It's a resounding number, but it ain't all of them.

01:33:39.080 Yeah.

01:33:39.380 Right?

01:33:40.420 She says, all those in favor, say aye.

01:33:43.240 Aye!

01:33:43.840 All those opposed, say no, the ayes have it.

01:33:45.820 She banged her gavel.

01:33:48.340 I remember.

01:33:48.920 And you're telling me that they still believe in the idea of a brokered convention?

01:33:52.700 It is nonsense.

01:33:54.140 It is a way of justifying what is clearly cheating on the basis of the Democrats in this election

01:34:01.360 by pointing to a distant past that doesn't even exist anymore.

01:34:05.860 And if it still existed, they would have had their convention in May or June, like we

01:34:10.720 always did back when you had brokered convention.

01:34:12.580 But until more than half a century ago, that's what they did.

01:34:15.520 So, you know, come on, man.

01:34:17.040 That's exactly right.

01:34:17.700 Also, I mean, especially for the never Trump types, imagine a scenario where somehow Tim

01:34:23.000 Scott wins the vote to be the Republican nominee and then all the, you know, party elites get

01:34:29.700 together and force Trump in instead.

01:34:32.800 You know, are these people going to be defending that or are they going to be saying this is

01:34:36.880 another coup?

01:34:37.680 Right.

01:34:37.920 Donald Trump is attacking democracy and so on.

01:34:40.660 Is Michelle Obama totally off the table at this point?

01:34:43.820 Last week.

01:34:44.240 Under the table this late in May.

01:34:45.640 Last week, I still thought, despite all the reports, I thought there was still a good chance

01:34:50.340 Biden would stick it out.

01:34:51.960 It didn't occur to me they'd just shove him into Rehoboth Beach and take it away from him.

01:34:55.880 But I've been, from the beginning, a lot of Republicans have said it could be Michelle.

01:35:01.120 They're going to, and I always thought that was a fantasy.

01:35:03.920 See, when Obama didn't endorse right away, I thought, oh, yikes, maybe, but no, I simply

01:35:10.680 think it's, I don't think she'd be a good candidate anyway, but I think at this point

01:35:14.360 it's too late.

01:35:15.020 I think that when they pushed Joe aside, they thought that they could possibly get Michelle

01:35:21.860 in there because Michelle would win 48 states.

01:35:24.700 But I disagree.

01:35:25.460 I think that Joe Biden was sitting at his beach house, being driven out of the party, thinking

01:35:31.600 to himself, which ones of these sons of bitches do I hate more, Kamala Harris, who has called

01:35:36.760 me a racist and ridden my coattails into high office, or Barack Obama, who is forcing me

01:35:42.560 out and stabbing me in the back.

01:35:44.180 And he made a decision which one of them he hates more.

01:35:46.340 And he endorsed Kamala in the letter with which he resigned his candidacy.

01:35:50.100 And because he did that, he basically cut off any idea, because you'll remember in the

01:35:55.680 48 hours before Joe Biden resigned his candidacy, the DNC put out like a proposal for how to

01:36:03.240 have an alternative kind of convention process where there'd be numerous candidates and there'd

01:36:08.380 be these, Oprah Winfrey would host these round table discussions with them.

01:36:13.200 But Joe says it's Kamala in his letter.

01:36:16.000 I don't agree with you about the, you know, supernature of Michelle's candidacy.

01:36:21.540 But I did have that moment when Obama did not endorse Kamala, where I thought he's running

01:36:26.740 home going, please, please, I want the powers.

01:36:30.220 Because Biden wrote Kamala's name, well, because Biden's aides wrote Kamala's name in that letter

01:36:36.200 that they put his fake signature on and then took a picture of and released on X.

01:36:39.980 Because of that, you will never have to find out how wrong you are.

01:36:42.480 The thing that bothered me the most about the potential Michelle candidacy is I, I don't

01:36:47.580 care, you know, the race or whatever, maybe she could win.

01:36:49.680 I just thought I would then have to tell Jeremy that he was right on this thing that I dug

01:36:55.060 my heels in.

01:36:55.980 So that would kill, it would kill me, like Joe.

01:36:58.980 This is a question for Matt Walsh.

01:37:01.580 Matt, what events do you think occurred in the lives of these people who truly believe

01:37:04.980 that white people are as racist without redemption?

01:37:08.080 Is there a common denominator?

01:37:09.400 I mean, what occurred in their lives was just intense indoctrination that, and then they

01:37:18.220 interpret things that are happening in their lives based on what they've been indoctrinated

01:37:22.420 to believe already.

01:37:23.780 So, I mean, for example, in that race to dinner, as you'll see in the film, there's a moment

01:37:30.320 in the film at the dinner where all the women are invited to reveal moments in their lives

01:37:38.240 when they were racist, and they all have examples ready to go, and they go around the table,

01:37:43.940 and every example they give, it's like they were not being racist at all, just totally

01:37:48.180 normal interactions that they had or whatever.

01:37:50.780 But they've been conditioned to interpret all of those things, even their own actions as racist.

01:37:58.340 And even when they know that they don't actually have any hatred for non-white people,

01:38:02.920 they know that in their own heart, but yet they still truly believe that somehow it's still racist

01:38:08.520 because this idea of racism has, of course, lost all meaning.

01:38:12.160 And it's just been, in their minds, it actually has nothing to do with what you consciously

01:38:18.400 think about somebody else.

01:38:19.920 That's right.

01:38:20.520 Sadly, the person asking the question probably thinks that they're saying, what has happened

01:38:26.340 to these black people that makes them think white people hate them?

01:38:28.920 But I think that the real answer is no, most of this is driven by white women.

01:38:32.740 But it's the same answer there, too, because for the non-white people who believe that we live

01:38:38.240 in a systemically racist culture and so on, and if you ask them to give examples of when

01:38:42.860 they've been victims of racism, they'll probably have many on hand.

01:38:46.020 And you hear this from the activist types, and many of their examples are just totally

01:38:50.100 normal interactions.

01:38:51.320 I mean, we just talked about Michelle Obama.

01:38:52.760 She was infamous for this sort of thing.

01:38:54.600 I remember she gave a tearful story once about at an ice cream shop or something and someone

01:38:58.860 cut in line, and she was first lady at this point, and she was resentful of having someone

01:39:06.460 cut in line because she interpreted it as, well, why else would you not see me other than

01:39:10.760 I'm a black person?

01:39:12.020 Well, I was at Dunkin' Donuts three days ago, and someone cut in line in front of me.

01:39:16.960 But I don't have that framework for understanding it.

01:39:19.920 So for me, it was just, oh, this person's just being an asshole.

01:39:23.300 But for someone like Michelle Obama, an activist type, that doesn't occur to them because

01:39:29.000 everything is through this.

01:39:30.000 You remember at the supermarket, there was this story.

01:39:32.140 Someone asked her at the supermarket to reach up and get something off a shelf, and she

01:39:35.800 was so offended by this.

01:39:37.080 And I thought, you know, sometimes people ask me for favors, too.

01:39:40.020 That happens to me in groceries.

01:39:42.160 You know, the funny thing in this book, this wonderful book, Morning After the Revolution

01:39:46.360 by Nellie Bowles, she covers this, and one of the things she says about it is it creates

01:39:51.360 a system where you don't really have to do anything for anybody.

01:39:54.140 You just have to transform your inner life, which is what white women basically are into.

01:39:59.560 This next question is for Drew.

01:40:01.520 Drew, are we ever going to get a release date for the Pendragon cycle?

01:40:04.400 Ben, what are the odds that we actually get, they changed the question on me, what are

01:40:11.160 the odds that we actually get to the bottom of the assassination attempt on President Trump?

01:40:16.680 Ah, man, I'm going to say that the odds are like 40%.

01:40:20.000 And the reason is because we are seeing so little at this point.

01:40:23.420 They unlocked the guy's phone using apparently evil Israeli technology.

01:40:26.900 And then once they unlocked the phone using the evil Jew technology, apparently, you know,

01:40:32.540 they're still trying to discern what exactly was there because one of his phones is encrypted.

01:40:37.000 We're hearing rumors about whether the explosives were preset, how they were built in his car.

01:40:42.040 This is a very weird one.

01:40:43.440 And remember, we're still years later.

01:40:44.920 We still don't know, supposedly, why the largest mass shooting in American history took place,

01:40:49.300 the Las Vegas shooting.

01:40:49.980 And so the high possibility that they actually do know and that we never find out, that actually

01:40:55.940 is pretty high.

01:40:56.680 I will say that, again, I'm very anti-conspiracy as a general rule.

01:41:01.180 But the behavior of the CIA and the FBI during the last 15 years alone is enough to make almost

01:41:06.500 anybody a conspiracy theorist or at least believe that there's a lot of information that we are

01:41:10.660 never going to find out about stuff like this.

01:41:12.540 Last question from our Daily Wire Plus members.

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01:41:29.120 This question is, how did Matt get his film into theaters?

01:41:32.540 Is there a concern that they may prevent it from showing in theaters?

01:41:36.860 Well, this is a question probably more for Jeremy because the great thing is I was on vacation

01:41:41.780 when I found out that it was going to officially come out in theaters.

01:41:44.320 So I was just relaxing and letting other people figure that out.

01:41:48.180 I do think that one thing is that theaters, they do want to make money.

01:41:51.420 And so they see this as a film that people are going to want to see.

01:41:54.260 And so that's why they're releasing it.

01:41:57.140 I think it's probably the easiest answer to that.

01:41:59.280 Yeah.

01:41:59.780 You know, the making of this film was a little bit contentious.

01:42:02.500 Matt had a very bold idea.

01:42:05.220 He did something that was different than probably outside the comfort zone of everybody in the

01:42:10.680 building, myself included.

01:42:12.400 When you do something really ambitious like this, not every part of it works exactly the

01:42:18.060 way you think that it works.

01:42:19.840 And so we had a lot of sort of creative disagreement as we brought the film to life.

01:42:24.820 And as it turns out, all great art is born of conflict.

01:42:29.400 Whenever you see somebody who gets to make exactly what they want to make, it's almost

01:42:33.640 always garbage, right?

01:42:35.120 I mean, there are exceptions, but there aren't many exceptions.

01:42:38.500 And so creative disagreement, creative conflict almost always improves the final product.

01:42:47.680 What Matt has made here in the final form, I think, as I said before, is something truly

01:42:54.460 unique, something that we've never seen anyone on the right do.

01:42:59.360 And even on the left, people struggle to do it well.

01:43:03.240 Something that can be very powerful, that can make a true difference in the way that people

01:43:07.020 see this issue and this group of people who dominate this issue.

01:43:11.000 So the idea of putting it in theaters was also kind of contentious because we started

01:43:16.300 talking about putting it in theaters early in the process.

01:43:19.980 And you're trying to decide, if you're me, you're trying to decide.

01:43:22.880 It's a huge financial risk to put it in theaters.

01:43:25.420 It's a huge brand risk, right?

01:43:26.540 If the very first original piece of content that we put in theaters has to be something

01:43:30.680 that we feel like really represents, that puts our best foot forward.

01:43:33.920 But as the film sort of continued, as Justin Folk, our director, and Matt and the team,

01:43:42.580 which includes Sean Hampton, Matt's producer, Brian Hoffman, one of our creatives here who

01:43:49.360 was one of the writers on Lady Baller, several other people in the building who put enormous

01:43:54.080 effort into this, as they continued to refine and continued to do the work.

01:43:58.540 And we were doing, we were still creating scenes.

01:44:02.260 One of the best, I mean, truly mind-blowing scenes in this movie only came into existence

01:44:07.900 in the weeks before we finalized the film because there was so much work to make this

01:44:13.320 something important and something hilarious and something entertaining.

01:44:17.720 And as that kind of came in focus, I think we all agreed, we have to take our shot.

01:44:22.460 We have to see if we can meet audiences in theaters.

01:44:25.460 And the reason for that is theaters are one of the few places remaining where the left

01:44:30.420 hasn't completely rigged the scorekeeping system.

01:44:33.800 And it's important for us to be in places where they actually have to keep score, where

01:44:39.260 they actually have to acknowledge our successes.

01:44:41.380 Now, the risk is if you don't succeed, that'll be on display, right?

01:44:46.080 People will see that the film didn't perform at the level we had hoped it would.

01:44:49.040 But if we do, that will also be reported.

01:44:51.600 That will also be on display.

01:44:53.960 And one of the things that the left has done to us more and more over the years is they

01:44:57.460 hide all of the places where we win.

01:44:59.580 They stop counting or stop publishing the results in all the places where we dominate.

01:45:04.340 And we have to go compete.

01:45:05.780 You have to compete.

01:45:06.720 You have to put points on the board.

01:45:08.980 Also, we want to reach the broadest audience possible with this film.

01:45:12.020 You saw the good that was done in the world by what is a woman.

01:45:15.060 The more people saw that film, the more change happened across the country on the issue,

01:45:20.060 particularly of the transing of minors.

01:45:24.060 But I think sort of philosophically on the trans issue much more broadly as well.

01:45:28.420 So we wanted to be in the broadest release possible.

01:45:30.600 And we worked with new partners outside the business.

01:45:34.800 And we worked internally with Dave Coleman, who's a lifelong friend of mine and one of

01:45:41.840 our great Daily Wire creative employees who was instrumental in helping us build Bent Key.

01:45:46.800 And he went to work to figure out how to get this film into theaters.

01:45:50.180 And as it turns out, there is an actual opening for great conservative art in theaters.

01:45:57.420 And the reason is because the streaming platforms have so dramatically reduced the number of films

01:46:04.800 that are considered for theatrical release.

01:46:07.880 And so there's an inventory of screens.

01:46:10.220 It doesn't mean that it's easy to get into theaters.

01:46:12.120 Certainly doesn't mean it's easy to succeed in theaters.

01:46:14.200 But it does make me think that there is an opportunity in theaters that really hasn't existed

01:46:19.980 for conservative filmmakers in our lifetime.

01:46:24.000 And you've seen a few exceptions.

01:46:25.640 Dinesh D'Souza, very famously, has been able to make a run in theaters.

01:46:30.500 But right now, you're really seeing more content be able to make its way.

01:46:34.160 You've got people like Angel Studios, the Irwin Brothers.

01:46:37.980 You've got our friend Mark Joseph's Reagan biopic,

01:46:43.340 which is going to come out here in the next couple of weeks.

01:46:45.420 You're seeing this move by conservatives to avail themselves of the theater

01:46:49.940 because this opening has been created by the streamers.

01:46:53.300 And how did we do it?

01:46:55.240 We did it the same way.

01:46:56.060 We've done everything in the history of The Daily Wire.

01:46:57.800 We've done it the same way that Trump could become the 47th president

01:47:00.640 by doing the hard work, by doing the little things every day,

01:47:06.100 putting one foot in front of the other, daring.

01:47:08.240 I mean, that's a big part of the movie.

01:47:09.940 Matt dares in this movie in a way you've never seen anyone dare.

01:47:12.560 We dare to make a film like this.

01:47:15.660 We dare to make this kind of content.

01:47:18.100 We dare to make our children's content.

01:47:19.820 We dared to go pursue theaters.

01:47:21.680 And in this case, we've succeeded.

01:47:24.340 To your question, is there a risk that the theaters won't carry it?

01:47:27.200 We're past that point.

01:47:29.320 The theaters, the three major chains have all agreed to carry the film.

01:47:33.160 Could they pull the rug out from under us?

01:47:34.680 I suppose that's possible.

01:47:36.140 We have no reason to think that's going to happen.

01:47:37.600 They've been good partners so far.

01:47:39.980 They want audiences to come to theaters.

01:47:42.840 And I think that there's still a desire from Americans to go to theaters.

01:47:46.260 If Americans aren't going to theaters anymore,

01:47:48.660 it's because the kind of content that's being offered to us

01:47:50.720 just isn't the kind of content that gets us off of our couch and in our car.

01:47:54.820 I think Am I Racist is going to be the exception.

01:47:59.520 It's worth you going to see.

01:48:00.900 Tickets will go on sale in just over two weeks.

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01:48:14.000 There are so many big things that we're doing.

01:48:15.600 We're doing them with your help.

01:48:17.560 And we hope that we're good representatives of you as we do it.

01:48:21.040 I know you're going to love Am I Racist.

01:48:23.520 And that's it.

01:48:24.400 We'll see you guys on August 14th

01:48:26.060 when we come to you live from the Ryman Auditorium.

01:48:28.700 Good night.

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The Matt Walsh Show - July 24, 2024

Daily Wire Backstage： Democracy, Danger and a Theatrical Debut

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