00:00:00.000Hey everyone, this is Matt Walsh telling you to stop whatever you're doing and check out the latest episode of Daily Wire Backstage.
00:00:05.700All of our hosts, Jeremy Boring, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, Michael Knowles, Candace Owens, and yours truly discuss the facts surrounding the Derek Chauvin verdict and its implications for our culture.
00:00:15.480Very interesting conversation. You don't want to miss it. Check it out.
00:00:19.360Members of the jury, I will now read the verdicts as they will appear in the permanent records of the 4th Judicial District.
00:00:24.140We, the jury in the above entitled matter, as to count one, unintentional second-degree murder while committing a felony, find the defendant guilty.
00:00:32.640This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April, 2021, at 1.44 p.m. Signed, juror foreperson, juror number 19.
00:00:42.880Same caption, verdict count two. We, the jury in the above entitled matter, as to count two, third-degree murder, perpetrating an eminently dangerous act, find the defendant guilty.
00:00:51.980This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April, 2021, at 1.45 p.m. Signed by jury foreperson, juror number 19.
00:01:02.480Same caption, verdict count three. We, the jury in the above entitled matter, as to count three, second-degree manslaughter, culpable negligence, creating an unreasonable risk, find the defendant guilty.
00:01:13.520This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April, 2021, at 1.45 p.m.
00:01:18.100Well, good afternoon. Welcome to Backstage. I'm Jeremy Boring, joined by Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Andrew Klavan, Michael Knowles, and Candace Owens will be joining us directly.
00:01:28.680And we've just learned the verdict in the Derek Chauvin trial, and we will be coming to you live with as many updates as possible.
00:01:36.180Right now, the verdict is guilty on all charges. Ben, tell us what it means.
00:01:40.260So, it means that, I'm not sure whether the sentencing is cumulative or whether it is they take the top sentence and then everything else falls under that, but because he doesn't have a criminal record, that means he maxes out at 12 and a half years for second-degree murder, 12 and a half years for third-degree murder, four years or so for the manslaughter charge.
00:01:59.300It was pretty obvious from how fast the jury came back that it was going to be guilty on all accounts.
00:02:04.180As soon as they said the jury was coming back today, I immediately said to my producers and publicly that it was going to be guilty on all accounts because they were never going to acquit on all accounts that quickly.
00:02:13.920If there had been an acquittal, it would have taken a while to get there.
00:02:16.000My own prediction was that if there had been any sort of real evidentiary consideration, which I frankly do not think that there probably was in this case, it was a three-week trial.
00:02:24.200There were 10 hours of consideration that is wildly disproportionate in a case that has this many conflicting fact patterns, that if they came back this fast, it would be a guilty verdict.
00:02:33.220I thought any jury that looked at this would probably have gone hung jury on the two murder charges and then maybe convicted on the manslaughter charge.
00:02:42.220If you were going to get very aggressive, that would be an aggressive jury.
00:02:44.680If you were a non-aggressive jury, you would have hung on all three counts.
00:02:47.940And if it had hung on all three counts, if it had hung at all, then the judge would have instructed them to keep going back in the jury room, trying to beat it out because the fact is that you need a unanimous verdict for either acquittal or for conviction in Minnesota.
00:02:59.540The fact that it was unanimous that quickly meant pretty clearly that it was going to be conviction on all charges coming out.
00:03:05.840We'll have to see whether people who had spent their nights planning for rioting and looting now actually go home or whether they go ahead and hit the local target in celebration, presumably.
00:03:16.120But I think one thing is pretty clear for anybody who watched this case closely.
00:03:20.700I don't know how closely you watched it, Drew or Jeremy.
00:03:22.920I know, Matt, you watched it really closely.
00:03:24.680For people who watched this case closely, there are elements here that it's very difficult to make the case to me that any rational jury would have come.
00:03:33.940Who just looked at the evidence would have come to the conclusion that beyond a reasonable doubt, Chauvin was guilty of second or third degree murder.
00:03:40.060This just did not fulfill the elements.
00:03:41.620The third degree murder charge particularly is absurd on its face.
00:03:44.040The third degree murder charge never should have been allowed in the courtroom.
00:03:46.380The third degree murder charge is a charge for what is generally called depraved heart murder.
00:03:50.760Depraved heart murder is you throw a brick onto a freeway and you don't have anybody you're explicitly attempting to kill, but you end up killing somebody on the freeway.
00:04:17.320The gun accidentally goes off and kills somebody, right?
00:04:19.460Or the guy dies for some other reason while you're in the process of committing some sort of felony.
00:04:23.440So you had to show that he intended to commit a felony against George Floyd.
00:04:27.300It's very difficult to say that he intended to commit a felony against George Floyd because Minneapolis Police Department procedure allows you to do exactly what Chauvin was doing under these circumstances.
00:04:36.640The manslaughter one was a little bit easier to make because the charges in the manslaughter case, you just have to have reckless disregard.
00:04:43.060So the prosecution can make the case that even if he didn't mean to do anything bad, it was reckless for him not to get off of Floyd once Floyd was already unconscious and once Floyd was dying, he should have gotten off of him.
00:04:52.740And it was reckless not to get off of him.
00:04:53.940But the fact that they convicted on all three counts says to me that they weren't really looking at the evidence because, again, all three of those charges also rely on a simple question of causation, right?
00:05:04.240Did George Floyd actually die because Derek Chauvin was on top of him with his knee?
00:05:09.820What the defense showed repeatedly is that he did not have his knee on his neck, right?
00:05:13.700There was no physical trauma to his trachea.
00:05:15.900There was no evidence that there had been physical trauma to his arteries that would have cut off the oxygen to the brain.
00:05:23.800There are a couple of different types of asphyxia.
00:05:25.520There's physical asphyxia where he actually strangles somebody.
00:05:28.520You deprive somebody of oxygen to the brain by cutting off their blood supply via their arterial blood flow.
00:05:34.520And then there is a chemical asphyxia, which is drug overdose.
00:05:38.480And the fact is that George Floyd had three times the deadly level of fentanyl in his system.
00:05:46.600The medical examiner originally said if I'd found him dead in his room, I would have immediately assumed that it was a drug overdose, right?
00:05:51.560And the only reason that this became a national issue is because of the tape, which on its face, when everybody first saw it, looks really ugly.
00:05:57.540Because it turns out that a lot of policing looks really ugly.
00:06:00.840And then when you get all of the lead up, at the very least, you don't have to say that you love what Chauvin did.
00:06:04.780You don't have to say that Chauvin acted appropriately.
00:06:06.840You don't have to say any of that stuff.
00:06:07.740What you do have to say is to not even believe that there's reasonable doubt on the murder charges.
00:06:11.400On the murder charges, where you would have to have intent, that suggests to me that this was far less about the actual facts of the case and far more about all of the hubbubs surrounding the case.
00:06:21.520This trial never should have taken place in Minneapolis.
00:06:23.700It should have immediately been transferred in terms of venue.
00:06:26.020You were not going to find an impartial jury in Minneapolis in the single most publicized criminal justice case of our lifetime, at least since Rodney King.
00:06:37.360Because they're not sequestered, you have major political figures, the mayor, the president of the United States, the sitting congresswoman, all calling for a guilty verdict.
00:06:47.260That has to have some impact on a jury, doesn't it?
00:06:49.160Hours after the judge in the case reprimanded Maxine Waters, who flew from D.C. to the city before the jury had started deliberating to demand a guilty verdict.
00:07:01.120In fact, she demanded a verdict on premeditated murder, which he wasn't even charged with.
00:07:04.960And first of all, Maxine Waters going to Minneapolis, what else could that be other than an attempt to intimidate and tamper with the jury?
00:07:13.460What other motivation could you have to fly as a high-ranking politician to the city where this local murder trial is happening and demand that the jury come to a verdict?
00:07:23.020Either you believe in fair trials or you don't.
00:07:25.180Either you want the jury to weigh the evidence and come to a decision or you don't.
00:07:29.860The problem, the irony is that the only verdict we could really trust is an acquittal in all counts.
00:07:36.920I think that would have been the right verdict.
00:07:38.180But it's also the only one you can trust because it's the only one that couldn't have been motivated by anything but a look at the evidence.
00:07:45.880But with this verdict, you have to obviously wonder, is that how they saw it when they investigated the evidence?
00:07:52.980Or are they coming to this decision because they know their lives might be over, might be ruined if they came to any other decision?
00:07:59.620They know that the media is going to leak their identity and they're going to be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives.
00:08:05.380They had a choice. They could be the heroes of the republic today or they could be the greatest villains in the history of the republic today.
00:08:10.720And this had been tried out by the media. The media wanted the riots.
00:08:14.520The media set this up. They want the riots.
00:08:16.380I don't know any other way, any other motivation for their behavior other than they want the polarization, they want the riots.
00:08:23.440Probably some, but nothing like there would have been.
00:08:25.840You know, it's funny. I was a court reporter.
00:08:28.140I was at an actual newspaper man in courtrooms and I'm very slow to judge, to pass judgment on the verdicts of juries because I know that the world looks very different from the jury box than it does on TV or anywhere else.
00:08:40.280But the one thing we can say about this trial is this is one of the greatest failures of our governing class I've ever seen.
00:08:46.160And it is part and parcel of the failure of the of our governing class in handling COVID-19 and their lockdown and they're getting intoxicated with power.
00:08:55.320But to have the president of the United States praying for the right verdict, to have Congresswomen sitting out there and calling for violence, to have people in the press, Yamiche Alcindor, is that her name, saying she could not believe that the prosecutor was contradicting.
00:09:11.620The defense was prosecuting the contra. The defense was contradicting the prosecutor.
00:09:16.900I thought, like, how stupid are these people?
00:09:20.360You know, just before I got here, Jenna Ellis tweeted that she was praying that the jurors had acted justly, no matter what the verdict was.
00:09:30.060The filth that came in in answer to this, the kind of these kind of stunted, ugly, demonic answers of just pouring absolute vile filth on her for not thinking that a trial should be decided on Twitter after watching a video.
00:09:44.520And to Ben's point, I've also covered a lot of cops. I've seen a lot of arrests.
00:09:49.680It is much, much easier to take a person down brutally than it is to take a person down safely.
00:09:55.920To take a person down safely, you've got to wrestle him down. There's going to be violence. It's really ugly.
00:10:00.780Frequently, they use more cops to do less damage.
00:10:03.980One cop can take you down just by hitting you over the head with a stick in the right place.
00:10:08.120But four cops can take you down safely. And so the things that you see on these videos are not dispositive.
00:10:14.360They're simply not. You see a lot of ugly stuff on videos that move people.
00:10:18.160And, of course, the politicians are working to gin up their emotions and so are the press.
00:10:22.280It is a complete failure of our authoritative class, of our clerisy in defending American justice.
00:10:28.960And, again, I'm not going to say this was the wrong verdict or the right verdict, but I will say that the behavior of these people, from the president on down, has been absolutely shameful and dangerous.
00:10:40.100Candace, joining us, your thoughts on the guilty verdict, guilty on all charges.
00:10:45.340It's the wrong verdict, in my opinion.
00:10:47.300And I think that it's indicative of the fact that we now live in mob rule.
00:10:53.160I mean, this is based on the evidence that we saw.
00:10:55.280And this was polluted from start to finish.
00:10:56.860So, to me, the most important element of this, which I found to be astonishing, was the fact that they never released the full police footage.
00:11:03.700They had it. They sat on it. They locked it down.
00:11:05.880It leaked months and months later after the riots, you know, via the Daily Mail, I think.
00:11:10.240But when I watched the full tape, I was astonished that they didn't think to just at least add this context so that people understood, yes, this person was high out of his mind.
00:11:40.180And it was, oh, my gosh, this man is, you know, is getting a second chance at life and, you know, maybe had the wrong idea or whatever it was, was using counterfeit bills.
00:11:49.440And somebody called the police and then he was killed.
00:11:51.460He was brutally murdered on the basis of him being black.
00:12:02.860And then they successfully hid every piece of evidence that would have transformed public opinion, right?
00:12:08.140Every piece of evidence that would have said, wait a second, there's more here.
00:12:11.160And they were upset when I released the video and just went over his track record because it was clear to me, according to his track record,
00:12:16.140that it was very unlikely that a person that spends, you know, approximately nine prison stints, nine stints in prison,
00:12:22.060was really just getting his life together after having served the last one.
00:12:26.120So, you know, to me, I think the saddest part of this is that what we need to acknowledge is that right now, mob rules.
00:12:32.420The media creates the mob and the mob rules.
00:12:54.520Once you emotionally attach a judgment to something like that, is it possible to have your mind changed?
00:13:02.280I mean, that's why I think we all, it's a lesson that hopefully we've all learned by now that you just, I don't care what the video looks like.
00:13:11.080The first video you see, especially when it's just starting, you know, you're not getting, there's always going to be an interaction before where the video starts.
00:13:21.760And so whatever it looks like on the video, you cannot come to a conclusion.
00:13:25.540We just went through this with the 13-year-old kid.
00:13:48.440Let's just talk about how unusual that is, right, that they never released this full footage so that we could at least see the context and see more, at least be able to discern more facts other than somebody who's a bystander filming the video.
00:13:59.000And remember when Brad Parscale, I want to bring up Brad Parscale.
00:14:01.220Do you remember how quickly that footage was released when Brad Parscale, you know, got arrested when he was drunk and he got into a spot with his wife?
00:14:07.500They released that footage, like, almost in the next minute.
00:14:10.340He got arrested on a Monday and we had the footage by Monday afternoon.
00:14:14.540But George Floyd footage, it was never for public consumption.
00:14:17.880The Daily Mail got it months later and released it.
00:14:21.040I also think we're probably at a point now where the full context doesn't even matter.
00:14:25.280Because, like I was saying, with a 13-year-old kid, it comes out, oh, he had a gun.
00:15:30.260When I got the video I did, the 100 million views, and they couldn't believe it because, oh my gosh, I'm alleging that maybe your little child shouldn't be, I don't care what's happened, maybe she shouldn't be wearing a George Floyd shirt.
00:15:41.760Maybe they shouldn't be getting baptized in George Floyd's circle or wherever it was they were taking their children to be baptized.
00:15:46.780They literally tried to transform him into a saint.
00:15:50.160You know, they wanted to saint this man.
00:15:51.620And all you had to do was look at his record and say, he has a wake of victims in his past.
00:15:57.320Imagine the woman who, when he got arrested for the armed robbery, broke into her home, put a gun to her stomach.
00:16:04.180Her child, her minor child was in the room during that time because he was looking for drugs and money.
00:16:09.200He pretended, they pretended to be the water man, you know, and he breaks into the home.
00:16:13.060And imagine that woman watching the media saint this man.
00:16:24.280Because these black men that they keep hailing as heroes and victims always leave a trail of female black victims in their wake and nobody cares.
00:16:57.420But I think what a lot of this comes down to for the media is that there is a single-factor analysis that they're using, which is the worst kind of analysis to use.
00:17:04.180Because it just removes all of the confounds.
00:17:05.740And the single-factor analysis is all the problems that are experienced in America, in the criminal justice system, all the racial problems in America are due to cops.
00:17:32.800You could have come to the conclusion that Derek Chauvin acted wrongly and should have been convicted for manslaughter and still said George Floyd isn't a hero.
00:17:38.280That is quite possible to say those things.
00:17:40.060But because the media uses single-factor analysis, which is that America is a white supremacist country and therefore black people are deprived of all agency, are not responsible for any of their own actions, that means that it is just a question of good versus evil.
00:17:51.320And you can identify it as quickly as looking at the races of the people who are involved without looking at the tape, without looking at any of the evidence in any of these cases.
00:17:57.280We've seen cases in Chicago where it turns out a cop will shoot somebody.
00:18:00.860And before you even know the facts of the case, somebody will send a text to somebody saying white cop, black suspect, and there are riots in the Chicago loop.
00:18:07.260You remember this happened a few months ago.
00:18:14.060Or invent a race, as with the Trayvon Martin, George Floyd, George Zimmerman, right, or white as manic.
00:18:19.540I think the terrible part of the context that is completely, doubly erased, is first the high crime in black neighborhoods, which is not the fault of the police.
00:18:29.620I mean, whosever fault it is, the police are the last guy on the ladder to receive this.
00:18:51.380And the other thing is just the fact that putting all of this stuff on the cops as if that they had some kind of social power to shape the behavior of people in their neighborhoods, they don't have that.
00:19:03.120Well, right now, how can you be a police officer?
00:19:19.900I'm getting calls from members of the Minneapolis Police Department, NYPD, Chicago PD, LAPD, Washington, D.C. PD.
00:19:25.540I'm getting calls from members of police departments all over the country, heads of unions, people saying our police officers are just going to leave.
00:19:31.180They're going to take the early retirement if they can get it.
00:19:33.600And if they can't get it, they'll still leave.
00:19:34.940Or if they do continue to serve, they will sit there by the radio.
00:19:38.320And if there is a call for a crime and they're a white officer and the person is a person of color who's a suspect, they will think twice before going to answer that crime.
00:19:45.420Not because they don't want to help out.
00:19:47.000Most of the people who join the cops are going to help out.
00:19:51.260If you're a white guy and you want to serve in the Washington, D.C. Police Department, it's not generally because you're some sort of statist who wants to harm black people.
00:19:57.640It's because you want to help the 85 percent black community in the particular area that you're policing.
00:20:02.460And the people who are going to pay for this are not white people on CNN.
00:20:06.060It's not going to be all the white jerks on court TV or celebrating today.
00:20:09.280The people who are going to pay for all of this are all of the same people who are going to be abandoned when the cops leave their city.
00:21:05.120In fact, the best case scenario is for a police officer to do anything wrong while you're resisting arrest because you will be transformed from a hero.
00:21:13.360I'm talking about from a drug dealer, from a drug user.
00:21:16.080I mean, all of these people from, you know, an accused rapist into a hero.
00:21:20.440All you have to do is resist arrest and hope that a police officer makes a mistake in the moment, which is likely to happen when adrenaline is running through your in your veins because you're wondering, am I going to survive this?
00:21:30.800Because police officers also have to go home to families, right?
00:21:33.920Am I going to live when Rashad, whatever his name was, Rashad, who was the guy in Atlanta who grabbed Rayshard Brooks, grabbed the taser?
00:21:42.880What are you thinking a police officer is going to think in that moment?
00:21:44.900And yet still, the police officers are always demonized.
00:21:48.360There is no incentive right now in this country to be a police officer.
00:21:51.020Even if the cop is a bad cop, there are 700,000 police officers in this country.
00:21:55.640That's the population of San Francisco.
00:21:58.220If 1% of them are bad cops, if 1% of them are bad cops, that's a lot of bad cops.
00:22:03.460If we look at this country as if it were like a small town.
00:22:06.760And that's the way social media and the news media have combined to make us think about this country.
00:22:11.840Like, wow, 13, what is it, 18 unarmed black people were shot last year?
00:22:16.140Like 18 people in a country of 350 million?
00:22:18.220Although, according to a survey of the left, it's over 1,000.
00:23:18.000He created an amazing service, revolutionized the world.
00:23:21.240I don't begrudge him being the richest man in the world.
00:23:22.880He does that over the lifetime of Amazon to date.
00:23:26.320Then, through his newspaper that he owns, the Washington Post, through the circles in which he runs, which are politicians and media elite.
00:23:34.540He promulgates this entire idea of only lockdowns can save us.
00:23:39.860Only completely shutting down the world can save us.
00:23:41.880And the only company that can be allowed to still exist during that time is mine, is Amazon.
00:23:50.480I begrudge Fauci saying, you know, maybe, not by this summer, possibly by this summer, but then we'll have to stop again.
00:24:01.160But definitely by next summer, you will definitely be able to eat in a restaurant for the first time in 2022 and see your loved ones for the first time in two years.
00:24:07.860And you're like, what are you talking about?
00:24:10.380Millions of Americans who don't live in New York City, Washington, D.C., San Francisco, and Los Angeles and Chicago have been seeing their family the whole time, have been eating inside at restaurants the whole time.
00:24:20.660But he's so detached from the people over whom he would rule that he doesn't even know that they don't all live their lives like him.
00:24:27.880The people telling us that we can't work all have jobs.
00:24:30.440The people telling us that we can't have police all have private security.
00:24:34.300This elite mentality, this detachment between the elite and the rest of us.
00:25:04.080By the way, if they had said 15 days to slow the spread and I had believed for one second that that's what they meant, I would have gone, oh, yeah, let's all stay home.
00:25:10.560One time the government took powers and then gave them back.
00:27:08.820They actually don't see people's individual humanity.
00:27:12.000They are a special class of people, real people, and people who are different than them.
00:27:16.800This is why the coastal elite hate the number one, essentially the number one comorbidity in the country where COVID is concerned is obesity.
00:27:27.400So you never hear them saying things like, maybe it would be good if during this time of national crisis we tackled obesity, which is the number one predictor of whether or not you're going to die from COVID-19.
00:27:36.880They don't not do that because they don't know.
00:27:39.000They don't do it because they don't care.
00:27:40.580They dislike fat people with their little snarky remarks about maybe you go home to Olive Garden and support Donald Trump.
00:28:26.160A fraction of those, like 14, you know, 14 to 25 are going to be unarmed shootings of a black person.
00:28:32.340And then there are going to be a few more that are unarmed shootings of white people.
00:28:34.980If you even, if you bear down even on that number, which I have done for the year 2019, I actually looked at every single unarmed shooting of a black person.
00:28:42.360And what I found is that at least half of them were clearly justified because the black perp was in the process of trying to kill a cop with a car.
00:29:01.320And none of them that I have seen, at least in recent history, had anything to do with race.
00:29:06.960When cops make a decision to shoot someone, whether it's justified or not, in almost every case, they're making that decision based on self-preservation.
00:29:15.080And this other thing, the media lacks an understanding of human nature.
00:29:18.340Human nature is you want to go home to your family.
00:29:20.960And so even in the bad shootings, Daniel Shaver in Mesa, Arizona, white man a few years ago.
00:29:27.400He was shot dead by the police, unarmed, literally on his knees, begging for his life.
00:29:32.240That's what they said Michael Brown was doing, but he wasn't.
00:29:34.380This guy, and it's on body cam footage, he's on his knees begging for his life.
00:30:22.640But I think that that goes to the even broader question that Candace is asking, which is why are they like that?
00:30:26.360And I think the answer is they're utopian.
00:30:27.980If you talk to journalists about what they think they're doing in the world, they say things like, it's our job to speak, to take power from the powerful and give power to the powerless.
00:30:38.000We have to give a voice to the voiceless.
00:30:39.580We have to reestablish justice in the universe.
00:30:41.460I mean, they sound like they're reading a bad Superman comic, right?
00:30:44.180I mean, everything they think they are doing, we have to speak truth to power.
00:30:51.680These are not things that journalists were traditionally tasked with doing.
00:30:54.800Usually we thought that a journalist was the guy with, like, a battered hat with maybe a high school degree whose job it was just to report on what was going on.
00:31:00.980But now there's this kind of highfalutin idea that they are the drivers of grand social change in the United States.
00:31:05.940You don't believe it's more nefarious than that because they know they're lying, right?
00:31:08.380By omitting the truth, you're telling them why.
00:31:10.020No, I'm saying that I know that they're lying, and I think they know they're lying.
00:31:13.820But I think that when you're so blinded by your own utopian vision, everything around you becomes either a tool or an obstacle.
00:31:21.160And everything for these folks is a tool or an obstacle.
00:31:23.440And the thing is, once people are reduced to being tools, instruments of your will, once that happens, only single-factor analysis applies to those people.
00:31:32.120See, in our own lives, this is why you see the hypocrisy of Gretchen Whitmer, who understands all of the intricate factors that lead to the fact that she needs to go to Florida and visit her sick father.
00:31:45.040Okay, all of us have a sick relative that we've wanted to visit.
00:31:47.440And so as just a human being, I don't begrudge her visiting Florida.
00:31:49.900I begrudge that she's telling everybody else they can visit Florida, visit their sick parents.
00:31:52.680So for people who are utopian, just to sort of finish the point, for people who are utopian, the idea is that they get to look at the multi-factor analysis that goes into being a fully-rounded human being.
00:32:02.640But because they are reaching for a utopia, and because people are complex, and because that complexity is an obstacle to their utopian vision, they have to reduce everybody down to two-dimensional widgets.
00:32:11.780And that means that any data point can be reduced down to these two-dimensional versions of reality that, in some cases, are just flatly false and then crammed into the narrative.
00:32:20.180And that's what you see in cases like the Chauvin case.
00:32:46.460There is no evidence, which was not even alleged.
00:32:48.740There was no evidence whatsoever that Chauvin said, oh, a black guy, that's why I'm going to kill him today.
00:32:53.220But the strange thing to me, the huge disparity that always strikes me is the disdain they have for ordinary people on the one hand and how stupid they are on the other.
00:33:03.280I mean, and I mean that, I don't mean that just as an insult.
00:33:06.420If you took the combined IQ of Chris Cuomo and Brian Stelter and Don Lemon, you could roll it on a pair of dice, you know.
00:33:13.780But, yeah, I mean, no matter what you think of Ben's opinion, Ben has more information in this, like, white part of his fingernail than these guys have in their entire heads.
00:33:21.900And yet, they feel justified in lying to the people that they're supposed to report to because they think they have to guide you to where you have to go.
00:33:31.520Where on earth did that entitlement come from?
00:33:33.920What moment did they look in the mirror?
00:33:35.380Because they know utopia better than you.
00:33:50.460You don't, and which unifies this whole conversation, right?
00:33:53.080If you thought that, you would at least, you know, have an IQ of, I don't know.
00:33:56.140But it doesn't make sense because you can say that they believe in utopian vision.
00:33:59.260But when they step outside and they look around and you see New York the way it looks and Minnesota the way it looks and you see Los Angeles the way it looks because people are rioting and looting.
00:34:07.520I mean, people are leaving the state, right?
00:34:10.280Why would they want to live in that environment?
00:34:12.640Because, of course, this is not going to stop.
00:34:13.780Right now it might be contained into the inner cities, but they're going to eventually start rioting and looting the suburbs when things happen, right?
00:34:19.860Because you can't, like, look, case with Antifa.
00:34:51.620I mean, because when you think about, okay, so simultaneously while this is happening today, Maxine Waters, the House Republicans tried to push a central vote on Maxine.
00:34:58.440And the announcement, the verdict was coming out, happened in the middle of that central vote.
00:35:03.480Every single Democrat voted in favor of tabling the central vote.
00:35:08.140Not a single Democrat broke ranks and said, you know, maybe we should say something about the fact that this lady who's been incentivizing rioters since she was in Congress.
00:35:15.420I mean, going all the way back to 92, she was calling.
00:35:18.780And I remember Maxine Waters on the TV saying that the L.A. riots were the L.A. uprising, right?
00:35:23.160Like, she's been doing this her entire career.
00:35:24.620So this is nothing new for Maxine Waters, who's the most corrupt member of Congress, bar none.
00:35:28.240There really are no close competitors.
00:35:30.580The unwillingness of a single Democrat to condemn her, again, it goes back to the utopian, because when there are Republicans that Republicans don't like, usually we look at them and we say, that guy's ideas really suck.
00:35:41.240Like, if there's a Republican and we look at him and he says something that's bad or he does something, we're like, we don't want to be anywhere near this person.
00:35:57.340And for Democrats, they have yet to meet a Democrat so radical that the person is bad.
00:36:01.980In fact, sometimes they're the best of them.
00:36:04.180In fact, the more pure they are, this is why the AOCs and the Ohana Mars and the Maxine Waters are actually aspirational figures.
00:36:12.020Because it's just that we, you know, the mature members of the Democratic Party, we know that you kind of have to be Machiavellian and play some politics about this sort of stuff.
00:36:19.120But they're so innocent and so wonderful and so joyous that we just have to, you know, at least give them props for their ideological purity.
00:36:25.740So here from Speaker Pelosi herself, speaking in front of the Capitol at a Congressional Black Caucus presser, thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice.
00:36:37.000Because of you and because of thousands, millions of people around the world who came out for justice, your name will always be synonymous for justice.
00:37:10.740It's so upsetting to me as a black person to see what is coming out as representative of the black community, what we are told we should be holding up.
00:37:18.980Do you think those words would be written when Clarence Thomas dies?
00:37:21.600Do you think those words would be written when Thomas Sowell dies?
00:37:24.020Do you think those words would be written when Dr. Condoleezza Rice dies?
00:37:51.180I mean, there is something very sinister and very disgusting happening right now in this country in terms of how they are trying to pollute black minds.
00:37:59.140And it goes all the way from the education system and critical race theory to these disgusting words.
00:38:03.880And I will call them disgusting because they are and they are false.
00:38:41.000Yeah, this is really depraved evil that this person was capable of.
00:38:45.100And what you're seeing there is it really is the anti-racism stuff takes on the shape of a religious cult because you have your literal savior figure who sacrificed himself, talking about him like he's a Christ figure, really, literally.
00:39:00.560The thing about Jesus is that I may not be a New Testament scholar, but it seems to me that Jesus, in your guise's version of this, wanted to be sacrificed, right?
00:39:34.800I think another important part of the religious cult aspect of the anti-racism thing is you have your Christ figure, which is important, but you also have the concept of inherited guilt.
00:39:43.320And this is taking on, it's very similar to the Christian idea of original sin.
00:39:51.920And so, as white people, we all have this inherited guilt of racism and slavery because, of course, white people are the only people that ever did this in history, according to the left, anyway.
00:40:00.980And so we need to atone for that sin through, you know, making pilgrimages now to the Holy Land, the Holy Spot where George Floyd was killed.
00:40:10.700It really is religious, and this is what happens.
00:40:18.120So they all have a concept of original sin.
00:40:20.440That's actually the fundamental thing that unites all utopian ideologies, including, by the way, say libertarianism, which posits that the original sin is government force coercion.
00:40:32.220You have communism, which posits that the original sin is class.
00:40:37.140You have this new anti-racist cult that's forming that posits that the original sin is some sort of systemic racism.
00:40:46.480They all acknowledge that there's something wrong with man.
00:40:49.180They disagree about what the something wrong with man is, but they all believe that there is some sort of sin that has to be flushed out by their new clergy that they're creating and with their new liturgy that they're creating, with their new penance practices that they're creating.
00:41:06.080And by that mechanism, we might be redeemed into their utopia.
00:41:09.020And, of course, what we on the right believe is that we agree that there's an original sin, original sin, and we don't believe that it can be purged.
00:41:19.960This is the fundamental distinction between right and left.
00:41:23.060Whether you're Jewish, whether you're Christian, we believe there's an original sin, and you can't unmake it.
00:41:29.340And we all share it, because those utopias that you point out, those are their original sins.
00:41:33.660And the other thing is that it's a certain segment of the population that carries it, and they're the villains, whereas in the theological idea of original sin, it's the whole human race.
00:41:45.940And we're trying to figure out what to do with it, not what to do about it.
00:41:50.560There's something that I was thinking about earlier, sort of back to something you were saying, Candace, about the perversion and the attempt to build up certain people as heroes who clearly are not heroes.
00:42:00.300And, again, it's amazing that you got so much flack for saying this while not even talking about what Derek Chauvin did, whether it was right or wrong, because two things can be true at once.
00:42:10.220You can believe that Derek Chauvin should go to jail, and you can also believeā
00:42:16.380But for the left, you know, Condoleezza Rice used the phrase, the soft bigotry of low expectations, to talk about how the left treats black Americans, with the idea being that you don't have to perform as well on the SATs.
00:42:28.060And, you know, we can't expect that of you, because, of course, you're black, right, which is the soft bigotry of low expectations.
00:42:32.060So I tweeted that the other day about the mentality that surrounds rioting and looting, that we have now reached a point in the United States where whenever there is an incident that involves a white cop and a black suspect, we expect, we full-on expect there to be rioting and looting.
00:42:46.580It's not as though we say, oh, God, I hope there's not rioting and looting.
00:43:23.540It's not the soft bigotry of low expectations.
00:43:25.340It's the pure bigotry of no expectations.
00:43:27.320Because there's a belief that there is, you are expected, human behavior is not expected because our system is so grave and so horrible that we've perverted it.
00:43:35.280And so there's no point in even trying, which is the worst message you could possibly give to anybody.
00:43:41.980It treats them as incapable of agency, of making good decisions.
00:43:44.860And when the media promulgate this lie that if you're black in America, you are at existential risk and that you being black in America is a wearying prospect where you're constantly weary, where you're constantly tired, where you're Jonathan Capehart writing for The Washington Post for hundreds of thousands of dollars and appearing on MSNBC every day.
00:43:59.500But you're exhausted by the prospect of being black in America.
00:44:03.980That sort of mythos that's built up relieves the possibility.
00:44:08.200Forget individual responsibility, which it clearly relieves.
00:44:10.260It relieves the possibility of you being able to live your own life in a productive and meaningful way.
00:44:15.660The thing is, I want to be careful how I say this because it's controversial.
00:44:19.800But I, I met years ago with a very prominent black political figure and I sat down in his office and he said to me, you know, you're going to get to the point where you're going to, you're going to lose hope.
00:44:32.380You're going to lose faith in the black community.
00:45:14.700When you look at the statistics in black America, what are we, 13 percent of the population and we account for over 50 percent of all of the violent crimes.
00:45:23.340These are problems that are never going to get addressed.
00:45:25.760Our communities are going to be, you know, further the black communities that live in the projects.
00:45:32.080And the only key to all of this is education.
00:45:34.940It might be the only way this gets fixed is education.
00:45:37.080But instead of saying educate our kids, you have black Americans that are at the forefront saying, you know what, we shouldn't even have standardized tests.
00:45:49.180It's like we have to stop feeling bad.
00:45:50.560Like black America has to fix black America.
00:45:52.640It may be presumptuous, but I'm actually I'm 10 years older than you.
00:45:56.820And in that short amount of time, the country really changed.
00:46:00.860I experienced a different upbringing in some ways than you did.
00:46:04.820I don't think that the black community has a responsibility to better itself.
00:46:10.460I believe that all individuals have a responsibility to better themselves and that we as religious communities, which is a community you select into, or as regional communities like actual towns.
00:46:24.620That's a community that we have opted into geographically or our national community that we have an obligation to help one another as individuals step up.
00:46:33.880And I actually think this, the idea that the left talks a certain way to the black community, that's how they see the world.
00:46:42.840And we shouldn't grant them that premise.
00:46:45.560They reduce us all down into these communities that we didn't opt into, these communities that are the result of some gene.
00:46:59.180You shouldn't look at the so-called black community and get weary because you shouldn't associate yourself with a community that you didn't opt yourself into.
00:47:07.420What we should do is go find individuals in black American individuals, white American individuals, Hispanic American individuals.
00:47:15.360Those are the people we should build community with by opting into community with them, and we should help one another make ourselves better.
00:47:24.040And we make ourselves better fundamentally by realizing that sin isn't something that's being visited upon us.
00:47:30.560Sin is something that is in us and that we carry around and that we have to, by religious mechanisms, by ethical mechanisms, by moral mechanisms, that we have to rise above.
00:47:40.580I think the entire idea that we are the color of our skin, the entire idea that we are any other immutable characteristic, and the entire idea that we are the product of forces external to us that are impacting us, those are the two worst lies ever told in human history.
00:47:58.260And I grew up in the history of this country where we had essentially transcended the problem of race in America.
00:48:08.200It doesn't mean there were no individual racists.
00:48:24.500I mean, because that was the attitude.
00:48:26.100I opposed Obama, but I understood at least the sentiment where Americans said to each other, guys, I mean, like, a racist country doesn't elect a black president.
00:48:56.900One thing you discount, too, though, when you talk about the people is really just how bad our governing classes are.
00:49:03.940When you have a, you know, when we lost, for instance, local newspapers, now we have information controlled by the powerful.
00:49:11.640So we have the powerful doing bad things and lying about them.
00:49:14.560And then we have the powerful reporting on those things and lying about them.
00:49:18.540The people, you know, people talk about the madness of crowds, but I don't think crowds actually are mad because it's madness to think that you're being lied to every minute.
00:49:26.560You have to be insane to think you're being lied to every minute, even if you are.
00:49:30.040And I think people are being lied to every single minute.
00:49:33.960It's, you know, what are they supposed to make?
00:49:36.200What is the average person, especially a poor person, especially somebody who doesn't have the kind of access to education and information that other people might have?
00:50:12.600I said this when people kept saying to me, George Floyd, I mean, you don't see yourself.
00:50:16.940Why would I see myself in George Floyd?
00:50:18.500Why the hell would I see myself in George Floyd?
00:50:21.000I have more in common with a little Asian girl that goes home from school and does her homework at eight years old than I have in common with George Floyd.
00:50:27.300I don't see anything close to myself because we have similar melanin.
00:50:31.040I'm supposed to go, oh, you know what?
00:50:55.020And if you want to know what a post nuclear family civilization looks like, it looks like the inner city, it looks like Chicago, it looks like Baltimore.
00:51:44.600But we didn't hear anything from the father.
00:51:45.940You know, and that's and that's another really common thread that we see in all these cases.
00:51:49.200So if if kids don't have they're not being raised at home, especially as as as boys, if they don't have a male role model in the home showing them how to take all that masculine energy and aggression and all that.
00:52:20.680And then that's the media perpetuating an idea that we should look towards women who have men cheating on them, have multiple baby daddies are now are now being called.
00:52:28.540You know, these are the women that you should be hailing as heroes because they're feminists.
00:52:31.640So it's it's it's also convoluted now.
00:52:33.980You can't even just say, you know, the the the idea that, you know, 74 percent.
00:53:03.800Where he talks only about the white community.
00:53:05.040He said that all the people who are in sort of the elite ruling class abide by all the traditional rules of success.
00:53:09.700And then they preach to everybody else about how none of those traditional rules for success apply.
00:53:13.320But I mean, I'm looking at the screen right now and I'm seeing that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are going to deliver an address on the Chauvin verdict.
00:53:19.920How in the it's an individual criminal justice case.
00:53:23.640How in the world is the White House holding speeches on the basis of that as though this is indicative in any way, either way that it would have gone on on everybody in America, on the state of America more broadly.
00:53:34.700It's an individual case with individual circumstances in which, frankly, I think the jury did not look at the facts, particularly in the murder charges.
00:53:41.260And they're giving addresses from the White House about all of this because it is indeed about power.
00:53:45.880The left always says that that everything is about power.
00:53:47.920But for the left, the reason they say that is because it is about power.
00:53:51.660Remember the Kermit Gosnell case, the Kermit Gosnell case, which was which was actually a case that should have had national implications because you had the local crime story.
00:53:59.620Yeah, the most the most prolific mass murder in history was Kermit Gosnell and the media ignored it completely.
00:54:05.460And the reason they gave was it's a local crime story.
00:54:07.680That actually was not a local crime story because of because of how it implicated government and all these other things.
00:54:14.200No, but I don't think that's fair, Matt.
00:54:16.240I think it actually makes perfect sense that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, for that matter, are going to address this case because they played a very active role in the case.
00:54:24.600Kamala Harris bailed the rioters, the George Floyd rioters out of prison.
00:54:28.040Joe Biden put his finger on the on the scales of justice.
00:54:32.220I mean, there is, first of all, no way to suggest that that that the jury somehow was not aware of this.
00:54:38.760There's something that's that's going on that I've been thinking a lot about.
00:54:41.680And I have a book coming out in a couple of months where I really go into this in depth.
00:54:53.200The polls, most Americans of all races were were very optimistic about the future of race relations in the country.
00:54:59.180And then Barack Obama gets elected and then things start to reverse and they start to reverse, I think, in large measure because Barack Obama created and he participated in an active political genius.
00:55:12.300But it also happened to kind of wreck the country.
00:55:14.800And that was that before, if you look at this is not the first time we've dealt with critical race theory and anti-racist theory and all this.
00:55:20.940This stuff came up in the 60s and 70s, right?
00:55:23.120And by 68, Stokely Carmichael was talking about institutional racism.
00:55:26.540By the 70s, Richard Delgado was talking about critical race theory.
00:55:29.240So all of these theories were quite prominent in the late 60s, 70s.
00:55:33.120By the 1980s, they were basically dead, right?
00:55:34.940No one was talking about them because they'd been tried and they completely failed.
00:55:37.560They destroyed the country and the country repudiated them with Reagan and then they were further repudiated by Bill Clinton, right?
00:55:42.820You remember that it was Joe Biden who was pushing the crime bill in 1994.
00:55:45.580It was Bill Clinton who was having a sister soldier moment in 1992, rejecting a lot of this stuff, right?
00:55:50.600So what happened is that the governing class among Democrats, they were making the argument, we can cure all of your problems with the government.
00:55:55.880And a lot of the people who are critical race theorists were saying, yes, but the government is the problem.
00:55:59.720So there's a fundamental conflict there, right?
00:56:01.160The governing class, which is the Democrats, are saying we can fix your problems.
00:56:03.540The critical race theorists are saying, yes, but all the systems are racist.
00:56:21.560If you attack my policies, you are attacking me on the basis of race.
00:56:24.300And not only that, I'm going to activate a new racially based coalition that is going to be the new minority majority in the United States.
00:56:29.920I mean, they've openly talked about this.
00:56:31.380This is not a conspiracy theory in any way.
00:56:33.120Barack Obama and the Democratic Party openly talked about how there was an ascendant coalition of the disaffected in the United States that was eventually going to take complete control of American politics.
00:56:43.200And there are articles in The Atlantic about this.
00:56:45.420Ronald Brownstein wrote a lot about this.
00:59:31.440I think race is just way too useful to what everyone's saying here.
00:59:38.100I mean, race is way too useful a tool for corrupt politicians to forego using.
00:59:43.880I mean, I always bring up what I think is one of the most profound things that's been said about race in recent times was by Morgan Freeman in a 60 Minutes interview about 20 years ago.
00:59:53.380And he was asked, what should we do about racism?
00:59:56.800And his answer was, stop talking about it.
01:00:00.080If you really want to solve racism, to the extent that it can be solved, and it really can't be totally solved, of course, because we can't live in a real utopia.
01:00:05.700But to the extent that it can be solved, just you let people live their lives, especially kids.
01:00:10.480I can remember anyone who grew up in the 90s.
01:00:44.380Sesame Street is now teaching kids that you have to think in racial essentialist terms that a deep fact about you is the nature of your race, which is precisely.
01:00:51.640Why didn't we think of this before, you know?
01:00:53.060Why didn't we think of racism before, you know?
01:00:56.980You see how this played for, if you want to see how the deal with the devil was made by the Democrats, I mean the devil of racism because the Democratic Party is the racist party.
01:01:06.920It is thinking of people simply in terms of immutable characteristic and then essentializing the immutable characteristic, which is the definition.
01:01:14.380Of racism, traditionally, until they've decided to rig the definitions.
01:01:18.280But what they've decided to do, Bernie Sanders is the perfect example of this.
01:01:22.360So you remember in 2016, Bernie runs and he gets all sorts of plaudits from the side of the far left wing, but there's one push against him from the left that's really effective.
01:01:31.000And that is, you know, he keeps saying that if we just go to the socialist utopia and everybody has an equal outcome on an individual level, he's not really seeing the racial complexity of America.
01:01:40.040Remember, he was accused of being racist.
01:01:46.860And so Bernie consciously started adopting some of the language of race, which cuts directly against the language of traditional Marxism, right, which is a class-based ideology.
01:01:58.380And so, and theoretically in conflict.
01:02:00.920So basically, I think what has happened here is that the language of racial radicalism, which has more of a basis in American history than the language of class.
01:02:13.020This is why class warfare in the United States historically has not been tremendously successful.
01:02:16.340But if you go to race, there is an actual terrible history with race in the United States.
01:02:19.680So if you can take that and you can cram that into all the same socialistic prescriptions you're already giving, right, this is what Joe Biden is doing, right?
01:02:26.480Joe Biden is saying, you know how we solve racism?
01:02:28.160We solve racism with infrastructure, right?
01:02:30.580This is how you have Pete Buttigieg, the whitest person who has yet walked the earth, right, walking around talking about how the way that you solve racism in America is by building new highways under the tutelage of his road building program.
01:03:32.200Justice is only when you get your way.
01:03:33.500I've acknowledged that there might have been a process here whereby a jury could have reached a guilty verdict on the murder charges.
01:03:39.280But in the absence of, as Matt was saying earlier, with the amount of outside pressure that was being brought to bear on the jury,
01:03:46.900it is very difficult to imagine that played no role in the way that they went about the decision.
01:03:50.420Does anybody really believe, no matter what you think of George Floyd or Derek Chauvin or whoever, does anybody really think that what just happened was justice?
01:04:56.440In this case, because there were conflicting fact patterns, because there was a lot of doubt, very reasonable doubt as to the cause of death.
01:05:02.620Because if you take three times the deadly dose of fentanyl and have 75 percent arterial blockage, perhaps that might contribute to your cause of death.
01:05:09.340And if you do all of that and you get very exercised in the process of, you know, being in the car with your drug dealer when the police show up to arrest you and all of this.
01:05:17.060And by the way, quick note on just the evidence.
01:05:19.780The prosecution did not offer immunity to a key witness in the case, namely the drug dealer sitting next to George Floyd who had been dealing him the drugs,
01:05:24.960which should tell you something about where the prosecution's head was in this particular case.
01:05:28.340But if you but the basic idea is that the media picks conflicting fact patterns specifically so that if you mention the conflicting fact patterns,
01:05:35.640they then suggest that you're a racist who's not in favor of justice.
01:05:46.140Because the Ahmaud Arbery case, pretty much everybody was like, yeah, even if the guy was walking around trespassing and he wasn't jogging.
01:05:51.600And still, you don't get to stop a guy in the middle of the street and confront him with guns and tell him to stop.
01:06:13.800A woman, black woman was shot in her home by a police officer, shot dead.
01:06:18.520She was she was actually sitting there playing video games with her with her with her nephew or something.
01:06:23.040And it was and and but that even that case, like you think, well, if you're if you're going to select a racial martyr and there's no evidence at all that this that that shooting was racially motivated at all.
01:06:34.180The police, the police officer just did a horrible thing, made a horrible mistake.
01:06:38.160But if you're going to select a racial martyr, why not her?
01:06:40.800I mean, if it has to be someone killed by the police, why not her?
01:06:44.060It has to be it has to be there has to be the controversy element.
01:06:46.580You can have half a dozen cases where the where the fact pattern is relatively uncontroversial and everybody agrees.
01:06:51.260And that never becomes an issue because they don't want because they don't want us to agree about these things.
01:06:56.320They don't want us to actually look at the fact patterns of the case in which we can actually use our brains and recognize that Jacob Blake is not the same as the Walter Scott case.
01:07:03.940Or we can recognize that this case is significantly more controversial in its actual fact pattern than that case that happened down in Dallas, where there is the man who was in his own apartment building.
01:07:14.420And what you remember, the white female cop, she went back to her apartment and she took her apartment for his apartment, walked in and shot him.
01:07:39.440The establishment media must be raised to the ground.
01:07:43.520And you need to support with your dollars the replacement media.
01:07:46.020That's not just us, but it includes us.
01:07:48.260And here from one of our subscribers who's done just that, do you think that the verdict here gives us a good idea of what the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict will be?
01:08:16.560Here's Barack Obama cheering the decision, but adds that if we're being honest with ourselves, we know that true justice is about much more than a single verdict.
01:09:25.440And that's what the jurors had to, had to rule on.
01:09:27.360And, frankly, when they are considering the threats that they would face, when they are considering the threats to their lives, their families' lives, I don't think they made the right decision.
01:09:37.980I don't think the evidence was there for the murder charge.
01:09:41.120But if we were in their shoes, I like to think we'd have the courage to stand up to the mob, but that's a scary thing.
01:09:45.660I would not have allowed, like, yeah, we were hoping for superhuman courage from the jury because that's what would require.
01:09:51.940Superhuman restraint, number one, to, when they're not sequestered, to refrain from watching the news.
01:09:57.800And then also superhuman courage to say to yourself, I am going to, I am doing this, like you said, for the sake of the republic, for the sake of justice.
01:10:04.560And if that means my life is ruined, I'm going to accept that.
01:10:07.780And the idea that 12 people altogether, even just one person would say that, but 12 people altogether would have that kind of courage is hard to believe.
01:10:14.720I mean, for me, if that, if I were, I think I could say right now, I wouldn't be in that boat because I wouldn't have allowed myself to get on the jury.
01:10:22.220I would have said whatever I had to say to not be on it because, you know, I have to think, well, I got kids at home.
01:10:35.960I mean, none of that says anything about the individual circumstances for the person who's actually on trial.
01:10:40.880If the story here is about the jury or if the story here is about the congresspeople outside or if the story here is about the media or if the story here is about anything except for the person who is on trial, then it ain't due process.
01:10:53.140He went through the process and a verdict came down and you respect the fact that he received legal due process and there will be appeals and he will get due process of law that way.
01:11:01.020But to suggest that the trial was the height of fairness in the midst of an environment where people are literally threatening to burn down the city in which you reside and businesses are boarding up in preparation.
01:11:58.520I mean, this guy, the most hated man in America, a guy who, again, ubiquitous, that video, in the weeks and months following the event, broadly hated, broadly viewed as a murderer by all Americans.
01:12:12.360It's, I think, fair to say when I first saw the video, my own reaction to it was like, yeah, 100 percent, absolutely terrible.
01:12:19.740Only in the months after, when you get more and more information, do you realize, oh, yeah, this is why you cannot rush to judgment.
01:12:25.200You can't even believe your own eyes in these situations.
01:12:28.400What do you think the Republicans do now?
01:12:30.260I mean, I will say, I don't think they're going to just let him die in prison.
01:12:32.420Like, I don't think they're going to put him in with the general population and let him get killed.
01:12:39.040I think he has a chance on appeal, depending on who his judge is.
01:12:42.560I will say, by the way, the judge in this case, I mean, the judge made some decisions along the way in this case that I find very questionable.
01:12:49.280I mean, if the appellate court is serious, which who the hell knows, number one, change of venue was obviously called for.
01:12:56.580Like, this is the most obvious change of venue case ever.
01:13:10.660There was the entire first week of testimony is not probative in any way, right?
01:13:14.420The rule number one in evidence 101 is that evidence that is presented in court has to have some value as to the truth or falsity of the proposition at issue, right?
01:13:22.340It has to, it has to be probative in some way.
01:13:24.080Is it proving the case against Chauvin or is it not proving the case against Chauvin?
01:13:27.280The entire first week of testimony was witnesses to the event talking about how they couldn't sleep, how upset they were, how difficult this was.
01:13:33.920I mean, that is textbook prejudicial testimony.
01:13:37.620A normal judge would have said, I'm sorry, this has nothing, it's irrelevant, it's prejudicial, you can't allow that sort of stuff.
01:13:43.160A judge would have thrown out the third degree murder charge, which, again, didn't apply.
01:13:46.140They convicted him on third degree murder, which patently by the text of the statute does not apply.
01:13:50.900Like, it really, like, it was so controversial that originally it was thrown out, right?
01:13:53.920It originally was thrown out, and the appellate court said put it back, and then he had the ability to not put it back, and he was like, okay, fine, I'll go along with the appellate court.
01:13:59.800This judge, I think, routinely took the path of least resistance here, which is why when he was asked about the Maxine Waters thing, he didn't say, okay, mistrial, because then he would have taken the flack.
01:14:07.980Instead, he said, there might be a solid case for mistrial for the appellate judge.
01:14:13.240This reminded me, Bush actually, George W. Bush did this with McCain-Feingold, where he said, look, this might not be constitutional, but I'll let the court settle that, and he signed the law.
01:14:24.100He's supposed to defend the Constitution, too, but he said, I don't want to take the flack, so I'll let the courts do it.
01:14:30.420He said, you know, an appeals court might think this is due for a mistrial, but, you know, for me, there's no way they heard what this congressman said, one of the most famous politicians in America.
01:14:41.040There's no way they're going to hear what the president says tomorrow.
01:14:50.840And somewhere along the line, we're also facing a crisis of cowardice.
01:14:54.740There's very little courage in this country.
01:14:57.020There's very little courage, especially on our institutions.
01:14:59.380And you need some people with some courage who are willing to do the right thing simply because it's the right thing, even if you stand to gain nothing from it.
01:15:07.100And we just we don't have leaders like that.
01:15:16.380And does anybody stand up and say, you know, whether this guy was guilty or not, this has been an absolute abuse by our governing classes.
01:15:23.680Does anybody on the right have the there might be like three guys on the right Republicans that might have the courage to do that?
01:15:29.380Because, you know, I bought I love Ted Cruz, but I had him on the show and he he cannot say that Black Lives Matter is is a criminal terrorist organization.
01:15:39.400He can't get the words out of his mouth.
01:15:43.420That's what they have successfully bullied white people into being fearful of telling the truth about black people, even if it's the truth.
01:15:49.220And to actually don't say it, you can't say it, you can't criticize a black person.
01:15:52.020That was the point of the Black Lives Matter movement.
01:15:54.340You no longer are allowed to criticize a black person, even when they are deserving of criticism in this country.
01:16:00.740Otherwise, you are accused of being a racist.
01:16:04.400The name Black Lives Matter is probably the most brilliant branding decision ever in history, or at least in modern American history, because this this is an organization, a group that has their their stated goals, at least for years before they took it down from their Web site.
01:16:17.700It had almost nothing to do with racial issues.
01:16:19.840It was a lot of LGBT stuff, trans agenda, trans destroy, you know, the heteronormative thinking and the nuclear family.
01:16:26.400And they just tack Black Lives Matter on there.
01:16:28.720And even Republicans, even now, it almost amazes me that even the Republicans, even at this point, are still afraid to simply say.
01:16:35.880Democrats understand that Republicans really don't is the power of semantic overload.
01:16:38.960So semantic overload is where you take a term that is that can is capable of being defined in several different ways.
01:16:44.480And then you throw it out there. And then if somebody attacks how you're using it, you say, no, no, no.
01:16:49.520The definition I meant is the one that's completely uncontroversial.
01:16:52.100Right. So Black Lives Matter is the best example of this, because Black Lives Matter actually means three distinct things.
01:16:56.620Right. It means the actual concept, which is that black people's lives matter, which is perfectly inarguable.
01:17:00.800Right. Right. Then it means the actual group Black Lives Matter, which is a garbage organization.
01:17:04.440And then it means the idea that America is systemically racist and all of your neighbors believe that black lives don't matter.
01:17:09.180Yeah. Right. So two of the three definitions are really bad.
01:17:11.060And so when you attack either of those, when you say, like, Black Lives Matter is a bad group, they go, well, are you saying that black lives don't matter?
01:17:16.980Right. This is this is always the game. They're doing the same thing for the for the for the people act or the Equality Act.
01:17:22.340They do this. They do this crap all the time.
01:17:23.940It's Joe Biden this week declaring that illegal aliens are no longer illegal aliens.
01:18:00.620And the white has and the right has has no real facility with with parsing this stuff and debunking this stuff.
01:18:07.320Instead, they fall into the trap of either not being specific enough in their language and condemning what it is they're condemning and thus being hit with the hit with the comeback.
01:18:15.840Someone should write a book about that.
01:19:00.320And they convince the right basically to either go along with their plans and use all their terms or to kind of throw our hands up and say, oh, we I don't.
01:19:20.380Courage is the prerequisite for all of the other virtues.
01:19:23.500If you don't have courage, it doesn't matter what ideas maybe you kind of have in your mind.
01:19:29.460If you're not willing to actually affect them in the politics, then that in a buck fifty will get you a cup of coffee.
01:19:35.520Courage is every virtue at its testing point, I think, with C.S. Lewis's phrase.
01:19:38.380Yeah. Yeah. And I think I think the terrible thing now is they've put us in a position you used to be able to say to people, you know, keep your head down.
01:19:45.220Don't don't get the good grades and all this stuff.
01:19:48.600Every moment requires ordinary people to be heroes now, because if you can't go into your boss and say, you know, I'm not going to listen to you.
01:19:55.060Tell me they're a white person. I'm bad because I'm a white person.
01:19:57.220If you can't say to your professor, you know, what you're saying actually isn't true, they'll just keep on and they will they'll spread.
01:20:03.000I mean, they moved. They moved the bar really, really quickly.
01:20:05.860They moved. They kept moving the goalposts.
01:20:07.240They went from they went from be polite.
01:20:10.160Right. They just be polite. Just be nice.
01:20:11.840Yeah. So don't get too confrontational.
01:20:13.660Be polite. They move from that to speech to speech is violence.
01:20:17.440And then they move from speech is violence to silence is violence.
01:20:28.580No. Silence is violence. You doing nothing is violence.
01:20:30.860Home Depot refusing to comment on Georgia's voter law is a form of violence.
01:20:35.100And now we need to launch a boycott against Home Depot for the great crime of not speaking about Georgia's voter law.
01:20:40.300Right. And so we're quickly reaching the point.
01:20:42.960But in some ways, frankly, I like there's a there's a part of me that feels like it's kind of good for the country that the left is forcing it to this point.
01:20:49.960Because if people are forced to the point where they either have to surrender or have courage and there's no third choice, then people are going to be forced to choose whether to surrender or have courage.
01:20:59.220Because until now, there has been the possibility of you just, as you say, keep your head down, try to live your life, go about your business.
01:21:06.140But the left isn't going to leave it at that.
01:21:08.840I mean, the problem is, what is the consequence to your life in a practical sense if you simply surrender and say, fine, whatever, I'll go along with whatever you're saying?
01:21:18.180I think for a lot of people, they figure, well, it doesn't really affect my life much.
01:21:31.060And you can live you can live a pretty comfortable life.
01:21:32.980So I think, yeah, it's good that the testing point comes.
01:21:36.220But at the same time, I think most people are going to say, well, just surrender.
01:21:38.440But Theodore Dalrymple makes the point that in the Soviet Union, once you grasp the lie, once you agree that you can tell that lie, they've got you.
01:23:27.460What you just heard there, by the way, is more tasteless, outrageous, offensive, beneath the dignity of the office, et cetera, et cetera, than anything Trump ever said.
01:24:03.480Vice President Joe Biden, more black men locked up under that presidency.
01:24:07.180I mean, you really have to appreciate how Joe Biden has managed to transform himself as a hero and a concerned individual when it comes to black people.
01:24:16.040You know how he figured, he licked his index finger, he put it up in the air in the morning, and he figured out which way the wind was blowing.
01:24:21.600Well, I mean, it's just Weekend and Bernie's with him.
01:24:23.960I mean, they're just, they're rolling him around on a gurney.
01:24:25.820And basically, as long as they can prop him up upright for long enough, then he can be whatever they want him to be.
01:24:30.040You know, they're a racial justice warrior.
01:24:31.440He can be, you know, a hard on rioters, hard on looters guy.
01:24:35.460Whatever he has to be that day, because obviously inanimate objects can be whatever you want them to be.
01:24:39.760Well, at least you can say he's been consistent on the point that he was against the desegregation efforts.
01:24:44.340And you can almost argue now that he is once again for segregation in America.
01:30:04.000If you're degenerate, you could be honored.
01:30:05.100If you're not degenerate and you call up the truth and you do things that are honorable, it's the exact opposite.
01:30:09.760I can't think of a black person that is celebrated in black America that does not partake in some form of, like, does not back degenerate causes.
01:30:23.100He gets and he says, black people can't even walk down the street.
01:30:26.140You know, can't even walk down the street.
01:30:27.340We can't even walk down the street without having to face white people.
01:30:31.120We're being hunted down by white people.
01:30:33.820He lives in a $100 million mansion in Bel Air.
01:30:36.600If that is what he is saying, as someone that has made it in this country and can afford to live in a $100 million mansion in Bel Air constructed for him,
01:30:45.560what are the rest of black Americans going to think when that message is being sent down the pipeline?
01:30:49.520The only way it's ever going to be fixed is if there is a radical shift.
01:32:30.520And the fact that children have not been allowed to go back to schools, which I think affects probably minority and poor children worse than anything, is such a sin and such a crime.
01:32:39.680It's part of this ultimate failure, this incredible policy failure.
01:32:43.160The New York Times ran a piece saying, to discuss the fact that these children will never catch up is to stigmatize them.
01:32:52.180And I thought, no, it's to stigmatize you.
01:33:09.800Minneapolis public schools let out the rest of the week in anticipation of writing the leader.
01:33:13.740Like, this is an updated form of slavery.
01:33:15.740And this is the argument that I made in my first book that, you know, I wasn't being funny when I called it a Democrat plantation.
01:33:20.560I wasn't trying to be, you know, controversial when I called it a plantation.
01:33:23.840When you examine what the Democrats did under, you know, slavery, when it existed in America and people were being chained, there was a reason why the slave codes did not allow black Americans to learn to read.