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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, this is Matt Walsh. Drop everything you're doing and check out the latest episode of

00:00:03.720 Daily Wire backstage. You're going to hear Jeremy Boring, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan,

00:00:07.540 Michael Knowles, and yours truly talking about all the important issues affecting you and your

00:00:11.000 family. You don't want to miss it unless you're a leftist, in which case you're canceled.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to the Daily Wire backstage. I'm Jeremy Boring, joined by Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan,

00:00:43.320 Matt Walsh, and Michael Knowles. Glad to be back with you guys. It's been a minute.

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00:01:04.420 of the most enjoyable aspects of doing this show. It is, in fact, the only enjoyable aspect of doing

00:01:09.560 this show. No, I like being with you guys. It's a great show. We have fun. We get to smoke Mayflowers.

00:01:15.320 We're also going to do something really enjoyable for me tonight. I don't know if it'll be enjoyable

00:01:21.340 for anybody else, but they told me just as I walked on stage, hey, we've got a little bit of a

00:01:25.380 problem. I said, what's that? They said, well, when we've been promoting the show all week, we've

00:01:29.140 been saying, you know, tune in for Daily Wire backstage. You'll get all your favorites, Ben

00:01:33.800 Shapiro, Michael. Plus, we're going to have shocking news, like big news, really big news. I said, cool.

00:01:42.080 What is it? And they said, well, it was a bit of an oversell. We don't have anything. I said, what do

00:01:48.900 you mean? You actually marketed the show publicly. You said, plus giant earth shattering something new.

00:01:54.600 And they said, yes. I said, and you don't have anything earth shattering? And they said, no,

00:01:58.440 we don't have anything new at all. I said, well, how does a thing like this happen? And they said,

00:02:02.840 well, we have, uh, you told us to do it. That's fair. That sounds like something I would do.

00:02:09.240 But what occurred to me is that I, in my back pocket, do in fact have something new and earth

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00:02:51.040 I'm just glad. I'm really glad to hear because all week I've been reading off the teleprompter.

00:02:55.140 I said, this is going to be the biggest show ever. Jeremy has a huge announcement and I felt

00:02:59.420 out of the loop. Yeah. I'm glad I was sad that I didn't know what it was. Now I'm glad that you

00:03:04.000 also did. Matt literally turned to me earlier today in the makeup chair and he was like, so what's

00:03:07.740 this thing that's happening tonight? I was like, I don't know. I'm just one of the owners of the

00:03:10.800 company. Truly when they said back, when they said, no, you told us to say that I don't have

00:03:17.240 any idea what I thought it was going to be. I mean, I must've thought it was good. I think maybe

00:03:21.400 this is pitiful. What kind of maybe in the back of my head, I thought we were going to premiere

00:03:24.920 the commercial. I can't think of any other huge news that I wanted to, but it is huge. We,

00:03:31.600 yeah, obviously, uh, we've, this is a long time in the making. You know, the first commercial has been

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00:03:40.780 ever. Uh, and I stand by it. I think it was in fact, the greatest commercial ever. Uh, it was the

00:03:49.180 most, uh, well justified launch of a company ever, but what it wasn't was the greatest razor ever.

00:03:55.700 And as it turns out, making a razor is very difficult because it takes a razor sharp blade

00:04:01.300 and runs it across people's most sensitive spots. And so we've worked really hard over the last two

00:04:06.300 years to completely redesign our razor. I never thought that I would employ engineers. One of my

00:04:11.420 favorite things about being a guy who never made it through college is that like I employ Yale

00:04:15.400 graduates and I employ Harvard graduates. I employ lawyers, you know, but I never thought I would

00:04:20.460 employ engineers. And now we have full-time engineers on staff. We've been hard at work. We've got brand new

00:04:24.700 partners. We've moved all of our manufacturing out of China. And this new razor is world-class. It's on par

00:04:30.200 with the best razors, uh, in the market. And it comes now, I think, alongside our other products

00:04:35.660 through Jeremy's razors, like our shampoo, our conditioner, our lotions, our deodorants,

00:04:38.740 which are already top tier products. The only thing that was lagging was that razor because it's a,

00:04:44.720 again, a very difficult thing. Takes a lot of engineering. We finally have a really competitive

00:04:48.400 product. And I think we have a somewhat hilarious and deeply offensive commercial to attend to its

00:04:55.140 launch. So again, come back in here in about 15 minutes and we'll bring that to you.

00:04:58.620 And meanwhilest, the world doesn't get better between backstages. It only seems to get worse.

00:05:05.580 And there's a new sort of, I shouldn't say new, it's been sort of fomenting for the last handful

00:05:11.300 of years, but I think it's really gaining prominence now, both in the very intellectual part of the

00:05:17.560 American right, but also in the very fringe parts of the American right. And the fact that,

00:05:22.920 the fact that what I'm about to bring up is happening in both of those places, like

00:05:26.920 people who we all in this room read, people with whom we are friendly, people with whom we admire

00:05:32.920 are participating in this conversation. Also the complete whack jobs, the people who I don't think

00:05:38.460 should have any voice in our movement. I think that they, that they're malevolent forces

00:05:42.460 are also circling the same idea. That makes the idea, I think, something that we should talk about.

00:05:48.340 And that's this idea that the American experiment is over. This idea that none of our institutions

00:05:56.380 that have taken us through the last two plus centuries on this continent exist anymore,

00:06:02.760 that we can't find any solution to our cultural and political problems through the political

00:06:07.520 system. And that perhaps it's time to look to older systems, strongman, monarchy, even dictator.

00:06:13.220 I mean, when you have major voices in the sort of conservative intelligentsia

00:06:18.040 openly discussing the idea of whether a dictator will be required to save this country, or an emperor

00:06:24.120 would be required to save this country, or a king would be required to save this country.

00:06:28.900 I think that that's something that merits actual conversation. So I thought rather than talking

00:06:33.940 about the latest stupid thing Joe Biden said, or, you know, the most salacious details from the Trump

00:06:38.660 trial, although they are fun to talk about. Let's talk about something that we can only talk about

00:06:43.420 when we're together. Let's get to the deep stuff. So Michael, you're a monarchist.

00:06:46.180 Yeah, well, look, they tie in. He pins it on the Catholic that we're all crypto monarchists.

00:06:52.280 We all think Trump is Caesar. I didn't say crypto.

00:06:54.260 Yeah. By the way, we don't think that Donald Trump ought to be Caesar. We think that Baron Trump

00:07:00.340 ought to be Caesar. Okay, those are very different things. No, look, the problem is this. I am not

00:07:05.700 calling for the overthrow of the American regime. The problem is that the American regime has been

00:07:09.860 overthrown, and it has been overthrown by the 17th Amendment, which fundamentally orders the

00:07:14.580 relationship of the states to the federal government. It's been overthrown by Congress

00:07:18.820 giving away all of its power to the executive agencies. It's been overthrown by any number of

00:07:24.740 things that have taken place, not over the last 10 years, but over the past 150 and 200 years.

00:07:29.500 And even that is not necessarily to be lamented. It just happens. You can't rewind the tape. You can't go

00:07:34.000 back in time. But the argument to look towards certain classical thinkers, notably Polybius,

00:07:39.080 is that there are different kinds of government. Our founding fathers and framers wrote about this

00:07:43.640 a lot, and I think they were channeling Aristotle and Polybius. Polybius' idea of the cycle of regimes

00:07:49.740 is that you've got three acceptable forms of regime, and then you've got their kind of evil twins.

00:07:56.060 So you've got monarchy, which can be good. Monarchy, when it's good, is governing for the common good.

00:08:01.560 When it goes bad, it's a tyranny, and it's just like a dictator for his own self-aggrandizement.

00:08:07.240 Aristocracy can be good. There have been good aristocracies. Aristocracy means good,

00:08:10.980 you know, or governing for the good. The bad version of that is oligarchy. We see those all

00:08:16.140 around the world. Democracy can be good. A republic can be a really good thing, but it turns into mob

00:08:20.840 rule when it goes bad, and you ignore the common good, and you govern for yourself, and our framers and

00:08:24.980 founding fathers wrote about that ad nauseum. So the question is, where are we in that cycle of

00:08:31.580 regimes? Unless you believe that America just paused history, if you really believe, as Fukuyama,

00:08:40.300 at the very least, is caricatured as having said, that we've reached the end of history, and it's

00:08:44.660 over, and liberal democracy won, and unless you think history is really over, then you do have to

00:08:51.140 entertain the possibility that something will come next. Yeah, right. I mean, I don't know who those

00:08:56.800 guys are that you just mentioned. There's some buddies of mine from New York. Was it Plebius? Okay.

00:09:01.140 I'm kind of, I agree almost with the diagnosis of the people you're talking about, Jeremy,

00:09:10.680 that I do think that the institutions are fundamentally broken. I don't see any political solution

00:09:16.860 to it, but I also don't think that a dictator is the solution either. So essentially, we're just

00:09:23.640 screwed, right, is where I land on it, I guess. I might have guessed where you would think.

00:09:30.220 Hopelessness. You know, here's the reason, it's all a question of timing. I've been having this

00:09:34.820 conversation with my son since he was little. When do you jump off the carousel? Because there's no

00:09:39.780 point dying for a regime that is no longer worth, there's no point pulling a Cato and, you know,

00:09:44.620 saying, oh, we have to bring back the republic when the republic is over. Right. But here's the

00:09:48.420 one indication that the republic is not yet over. Because remember also that despair is a self-fulfilling

00:09:52.860 prophecy. If you despair and you don't fight for what you have, you're not going to keep what you

00:09:56.820 have. One person, Donald Trump, was elected and the entire government and the press and the academy

00:10:06.100 and the intelligentsia acted like a Jew had walked into a Nazi Bund meeting. They acted like the

00:10:13.200 worst possible thing. There's one guy, one guy, a loud mouth, who doesn't really know what he's

00:10:17.860 doing. He probably never read the Constitution. And all of this force had to be put together to throw

00:10:23.680 him out. The lies that are being told as we're speaking, the trials they put him through, the

00:10:29.300 violations of our norms, all of these things, which makes me think they're vulnerable. It makes me think

00:10:35.120 that the system that is in place is not invulnerable, you know, that it can be taken down.

00:10:41.100 And so if it can be taken down and if it can be taken down without mass violence,

00:10:45.660 it seems worthwhile because the essential premise of the founders was that people were a certain way,

00:10:55.080 which is that they should be free. They didn't say that they wanted to be free. That was the

00:10:59.480 George W. Bush ridiculous statement that people want to be free. People don't want to be free.

00:11:03.580 They want to be taken care of. But that the people should be free, I think, remains true. And so

00:11:07.960 that remains worth fighting for until it's not. But isn't there, there's this observation of

00:11:12.900 Tocqueville, who writes Democracy in America, probably the best observer of early American

00:11:18.540 politics. And he observes that the rhetoric of the revolution and the post-revolution is very liberal

00:11:25.280 and enlightenment and abstract and, you know, about freedom and everything. But the behavior of

00:11:30.920 America is a little different. It's a little more conservative. It's a little bit more about

00:11:35.360 tradition and way of life and these tightly knit communities. And so I sometimes fear that the

00:11:42.120 thing we want to regain is the traditional American way of life. But we believe, we believe our

00:11:48.520 forebears press releases. So we're falling for the abstract liberal philosophy when in fact what we

00:11:54.720 need to return to is tightly knit communities with families having lots of kids and going to their

00:11:58.840 churches. This critique of liberalism is true, is that liberalism unmoored from virtue turns into

00:12:05.460 moral relativism. Liberalism is basically the idea that a thousand flowers should bloom, that free

00:12:10.340 speech is a good thing in and of itself, that freedoms are used, that they're of inherent value.

00:12:14.860 Now, the reality is that without a framework of virtue, freedom is not of inherent value,

00:12:19.660 actually, because it turns out that when you freely choose to do something evil, it makes you a worse

00:12:23.840 person, not a better person. Freedom is not itself a virtue. Freedom is instrumental if you have

00:12:30.040 choices between a series of virtues and you can prioritize between those virtues. But freedom to

00:12:34.900 use pornography, for example, is not actually a well-used freedom or a true right in any serious

00:12:41.120 sense. What that means is that if you don't have that virtue, which is really what's falling away,

00:12:46.280 then what you end up with is this inability to choose between value systems. And so all value

00:12:51.340 systems are then treated as equivalent. And once all value systems are treated as equivalent, then you

00:12:55.240 basically have post-constructionism and the idea that everything is just a matter of grabbing power

00:12:58.960 and imposing it on people that you don't particularly like. The thing that I think everyone keeps

00:13:03.920 missing, and it's fascinating, I think there actually is some consensus in the United States, even with

00:13:08.780 many people that I truly disagree with, because I've had conversations with them about this, the

00:13:12.960 consensus is not about values so much as it is about localism. The reality is that

00:13:18.720 conservatism, that virtue, which I think conservatism really is about conserving. When

00:13:23.840 people say, what is conservatism conserving? The idea should be virtue, right? And it should be the

00:13:27.360 institutions within virtue that allow you the freedom within virtue to live a wonderful life

00:13:31.660 within this kind of virtuous framework. That's what we're trying to conserve. It's not merely the

00:13:34.900 institutions, it's also that framework. It's why when you read Locke sort of in a vacuum, for example,

00:13:40.060 you end up with the sort of Yoram Hazoni critique of Locke, which is that Locke is himself

00:13:43.820 attempting to destroy virtue, but that's not true. Locke was spending half of his time doing

00:13:46.620 Christian apologetics. So like the reality- Protestant apologetics, but sure, we digress.

00:13:52.380 But the sort of basic idea is that conservatism is built ground up and leftism is built top-down.

00:14:01.420 And so those two things are now in conflict. And the left has used the top-down structure in order

00:14:07.360 to quash the little platoons, right? So it's quash families and communities and religious institutions

00:14:12.560 and churches and all this sort of stuff. But I don't think that they've gotten quite as far as

00:14:16.680 either they think or as the right things. I think that they keep kicking the can down the road.

00:14:21.440 If they really wanted to, if they really had the power to do full tyranny, does anyone doubt

00:14:25.360 that if Joe Biden really had the true power, the real true power to do true tyranny, that he wouldn't

00:14:30.800 go for it? I think he would go for it. Yeah.

00:14:33.100 I think that he's a little tyrant in his heart. And I think that was certainly true of Barack Obama,

00:14:36.900 who was a big tyrant in his heart. But isn't there this problem?

00:14:38.720 But he does not have, he doesn't actually have the power or the approval from the American people

00:14:43.720 to do that, which suggests that this is not quite over yet.

00:14:46.560 What would count as true tyranny in your mind?

00:14:48.520 What would count as true tyranny would be the federal government forcibly dissolving churches.

00:14:56.260 Forcibly dissolving. We couldn't have this conversation.

00:14:58.380 Right? Like, I don't think we're that far from it, but I don't think we're there yet.

00:15:01.240 Right? I think that you see, what you see is kind of little bubbles of tyranny that,

00:15:04.700 that bubble to the surface and pop. But I don't think that, that...

00:15:08.400 You're never that far from it, is probably...

00:15:09.940 Well, I would argue we had true tyranny during COVID.

00:15:13.840 I mean, I tend to agree with that.

00:15:15.480 It happens.

00:15:16.080 But the right's preferred monarch was...

00:15:20.000 True.

00:15:20.520 ...the president of the United States at the time.

00:15:22.020 Right, but it's not just that. It's also that, that, that, that is also forgetting that

00:15:25.160 there are many states that did not go along with the true tyranny.

00:15:27.780 Right.

00:15:27.940 Meaning that I moved my entire family from California to Florida partially because Florida

00:15:33.500 was not a true tyranny in the way that California legitimately acted full, full-on tyrannically

00:15:39.340 during, during COVID. But even that was, as long as it was, it still was, it was a temporary

00:15:46.240 way station. Now, I think that there are other aspects of tyranny that are more permanent in

00:15:49.420 California than just a COVID lockdown. I think that was like the most open and obvious...

00:15:52.940 The real big reason I moved my family from California, aside from the tax regime, which

00:15:57.880 is a form of property tyranny, is that I think it's going to be nearly impossible to raise

00:16:02.660 a religious family in the state of California. I think they really will attempt to forcibly

00:16:05.840 dissolve churches and go after full-on religious institutions. And that will be tyranny.

00:16:10.400 But I don't think that at the top federal level, that power yet exists. I think that the founder's

00:16:15.020 system of checks and balances is still robust enough, despite all of the changes that have

00:16:18.220 been, I think, terrible for the country in terms of the administrative state and the executive

00:16:21.500 branch. That, that, I don't think that we're quite there yet.

00:16:25.180 But I would also, I would also argue that, just one quick thing, that they might not need

00:16:31.700 true tyranny because once you, once you sort of capture the hearts and minds of people and

00:16:37.620 you, you own them that way, you don't need true tyranny.

00:16:39.440 Once you just get us all addicted to drugs and...

00:16:41.420 Right. So, for example, shutting down the churches, well, we're at a point where they

00:16:45.880 don't, they don't need to do that because people have abandoned church on their own. It's

00:16:49.260 almost like a pointless endeavor. And they, they, they shut down the churches, they shut

00:16:53.360 down the churches during COVID and people stopped going and kind of went along with

00:16:57.240 it and they haven't gone back. Okay. But, you know, so...

00:16:59.460 But the thing is, there's a vacuum there. There is a difference between coercion and a

00:17:05.060 vacuum. The vacuum can be filled by a resurgence. Coercion prevents the resurgence, right?

00:17:12.860 True tyranny says you cannot come back to church. A vacuum is you left the church and now you're

00:17:17.020 not coming back. And that's on you. That's not on the government. Hey, like my, my shul

00:17:20.300 was closed during COVID and you know what happened? We all went back to shul and not only did we

00:17:24.020 go back to shul, my shul went from having had a hundred families to having almost 400 families

00:17:27.740 in the course of about three years. So like true, this is, this is where things get rebuilt

00:17:33.000 is at the local level. And because, you know, listen, we all talk about national politics

00:17:35.920 all the time and the elections are fun to talk about and they're interesting to talk about.

00:17:38.480 And of course they make a huge difference. I think the area where they actually make the

00:17:41.420 most difference is in foreign policy because the president has plenary power over foreign

00:17:44.280 policy as you can see from Joe Biden running around like a child with a lip match, you

00:17:48.440 know, in a factory of flammables on the international stage. But you know, domestically there is still

00:17:54.300 real capability. I mean, what the lives that you guys lead in Tennessee or the life that

00:17:57.980 you're leading in Virginia or life that I'm leading in Florida, this is not a life dominated

00:18:02.160 by tyranny. This is a life that I've built in my community that I think is quite rich and

00:18:07.880 filled with social fabric, but that's an act of will on my part. And it requires the vacuum.

00:18:11.720 And the point that I'm making is that vacuum still exists, but it has to be filled by a

00:18:14.500 bottom-up movement.

00:18:15.580 I want to get to a corollary of all the stuff we're talking about because it's really important.

00:18:20.420 What you just said shows the fact that we have been making the wrong argument. I'm sure

00:18:24.860 you all saw Harrison Butker, the chief's kicker.

00:18:28.520 The Chad meme. You mean come to life with the yes.

00:18:32.400 The guy was great making a speech about the fact that the thing that women should be doing

00:18:36.400 is building, making homes and having children and being homemakers. The reaction to it shows

00:18:42.840 you exactly what they're afraid of, right? I mean, that is exactly the thing that they're

00:18:46.060 afraid of, which means that we've been arguing about the wrong thing for a long time. We've

00:18:49.840 been arguing about systems and systems, as you pointed out, don't do anything without the value

00:18:56.300 system in which they're enclosed and out of which they came. The systems came out of a form of

00:19:01.580 Christianity that basically said, oh, people are individuals. That individualism was created by

00:19:08.620 the Catholic Church, but it also led to Protestantism. So there was some kind of

00:19:12.320 syncretism there that we have to deal with. But I know you hate it.

00:19:15.020 Still kicking myself. I wasn't around at the time.

00:19:18.420 But the thing about it is when Butker made that speech and they jumped on him with the kind of

00:19:23.220 ferocity that lets you know immediately they were terrified. Immediately. This cannot be said.

00:19:28.540 It wasn't they said, we disagree. It was, this cannot be said. And the Kansas City Chiefs,

00:19:33.300 to their credit, said, well, you know, we believe in free speech. That's the wonderful

00:19:36.680 thing about this country. And conservatives cheered. Conservatives should not have cheered.

00:19:40.160 Their answer should have been, no, we believe this too. The owner of the chiefs said that. No,

00:19:43.880 he's right. This is what we should be doing. And it's what we should all be doing. In other words,

00:19:48.040 the system of free speech, I believe in free speech with all my heart, but I believe that we should

00:19:51.740 be using it not to defend free speech. We should be using it to defend the values that underpin free speech and keep it part of it.

00:19:57.320 What I'm not sure of is the contra argument. I'm not sure that you can use coercion to instill actual

00:20:05.000 values. I'll give you a great example of it. Just happened this week. Julia Fox, who I never heard

00:20:10.680 of before, but I think she dated Kanye West. That's the only way I've heard about her. And I think she

00:20:14.560 was an actress and a model or something. She came out, she just did a podcast. I covered it on the show

00:20:18.620 today where she said, I am celibate. I have now been celibate for years because the Supreme Court

00:20:26.340 overruled Roe v. Wade in the Dobbs decision. And my act to reclaim my power is I am going to be

00:20:33.540 celibate. And I thought, don't threaten me with a good time, honey, you know, to prove, you know.

00:20:40.560 Even though she lives in a state where she can still get an abortion.

00:20:42.260 Yes. And that's the key here. This is the national government versus the localism argument.

00:20:48.520 I guarantee Julia Fox lives in a state where she could get as many abortions as she wants.

00:20:52.700 And yet the law is a teacher. And that change in the law changed her behavior. I don't even think

00:20:58.360 she realizes it changed her behavior for the good, but it did change her behavior for the good. And

00:21:02.480 she sounds more normal, by the way, than the last time I heard her.

00:21:04.580 You know, it's funny. This is one of the arguments. So there's one of the things that's happening on

00:21:07.900 the right, the young right, is they've got a new name for racial thinking. It's a human

00:21:12.880 biodiversity, right? And so one of the things that they believe though, is that we're in a perfect

00:21:18.140 situation because the only people who could be having children are conservatives. And I think

00:21:22.980 there may be something to that. We may have them out. We may have them exactly where we want them,

00:21:26.940 you know. So here's the thing. There is one aspect of conservatism, as you talked about,

00:21:32.600 is the conservation of virtue. But another aspect of conservatism, as Russell Kirk, Catholic,

00:21:36.920 talked about, was the idea that there is a certain gradualism and carefulness when it comes to the

00:21:43.680 exercise of power. And so yes, the law is a teacher, but there is a difference between a teacher and a

00:21:50.700 jailer. And what I mean by that is that you can teach people, but you have to teach people sort of

00:21:56.160 where they are. I can't teach calculus to my 10-year-old. Evolution, not revolution kind of thing.

00:22:00.820 Well, it's just, you can lead the people, but you can't lead them from so far ahead beyond the

00:22:06.340 horizon that they can't even see you. And if you try to drag them from there, the chain's going to

00:22:11.060 break. It's too long a chain. And so the idea of the law compelling things that the public is just

00:22:17.460 not going to go along with, you will actually create a backlash instead of actually getting

00:22:21.880 people to where you want to go. But aren't there so many examples of the law doing exactly that,

00:22:27.060 where the law changes people's opinions about a thing and their values? I mean, you gave one

00:22:30.840 example. Another, maybe smaller example that I was thinking about recently is smoking cigarettes.

00:22:36.240 I mean, you can still smoke cigarettes, but in the younger generations, they just don't do it

00:22:41.540 anymore. Which was, 40 years ago, it's unthinkable that you would have a bunch of 25-year-olds that

00:22:46.720 wouldn't even touch a cigarette.

00:22:48.360 But that's an excellent example of gradualism in the law. So they didn't just ban smoking outright in the

00:22:53.080 United States. But what they did is they put significant taxes on it, and they banned it for

00:22:57.540 people below a certain age. And then those people all aged up into-

00:23:01.800 But it was also, all the institutions of power had this relentless message that

00:23:06.700 this is bad and dirty and gross, don't do it. And it's over, just, you hear it over and over again.

00:23:10.940 By the way, I agree with that. So I agree with that. I agree that our institutions ideally,

00:23:15.860 and this is your point, Drew, our institutions ideally should be echoing virtue. And we've made a

00:23:20.580 mistake on the right by suggesting, again, it is not actually, this is what I was saying before,

00:23:25.580 the difference between an instrumental value and inherent value is very crucial.

00:23:29.160 An instrumental value is a value that you hold in order to get to something, right? Money has

00:23:33.420 instrumental value, not because you have a sack of cash in your backseat, but because you can use

00:23:37.000 that sack of cash to do things with, right? Freedom is an instrumental value. It is not an inherent

00:23:42.040 value. Just being free is not in and of itself valuable, because if you're on a desert island,

00:23:46.720 there's nothing else around. You're totally free, and it's of no value whatsoever.

00:23:49.080 However, it's object-oriented. You have to actually use it for something good. And so when you're

00:23:54.420 talking about education toward proper use of freedom, that's what all the institutions should

00:24:01.420 be doing. And that's why it's important. To give an example, when Joe, it was not enough to me,

00:24:06.880 Joe Biden gave a speech about, one of his terrible speeches, about the campus protesters. And he said,

00:24:12.280 it's just terrible that they're breaking the law, but also there is a right to free speech. Okay,

00:24:15.840 we all agree there's a right to free speech. That wasn't the question. The question is not even

00:24:19.640 whether they're breaking the law. The question is, are they assholes or not, right? Is what

00:24:22.700 they're saying right, or is what they're saying wrong? Because I promise you, if those were white

00:24:25.340 supremacists on the lawn at Columbia University, he wouldn't have been talking about the inherent

00:24:29.020 values of free speech versus lawbreaking. He would have been talking about the actual message.

00:24:32.360 I'm not sure I agree with you about freedom, though. I think freedom is an inherent value,

00:24:36.900 but in order to maintain it, the values that underlie it have to be in place. I mean,

00:24:42.840 you don't have freedom. I mean, I always, this guy is always saying you have the freedom to do the

00:24:47.120 right thing, but that's not freedom at all. So, yeah. Can I ask a freshman philosophy?

00:24:51.640 What's an inherent value? Friendship, family. What is freedom?

00:24:55.500 So the classical definition, I'm glad Drew brought this up as he was mocking me for articulating.

00:25:00.060 The classical conception of freedom is articulated not only by Lord Acton, who some of the

00:25:05.180 libertarians still like, but articulated by Dante, articulated by many classical thinkers,

00:25:10.360 is that freedom, and De Nozio Cortez puts this very well. Freedom is not just the ability to choose.

00:25:18.000 Freedom is willing, and willing is predicated on knowledge. So to bring that down to earth,

00:25:25.840 if freedom were just choosing, we would be freer than God, because God can't sin. I can sin.

00:25:32.800 Am I freer than God? I'm not freer than God. Freedom is willing, and willing is predicated

00:25:38.140 on knowledge. If you don't know anything, if you're totally ignorant, you can't really will.

00:25:41.340 This is why kids don't have freedom, right? That's why we have age of consent laws and things like

00:25:44.520 that. So God has perfect will in part because he has perfect knowledge. He's omniscient. So he's

00:25:52.220 perfectly free. I am not perfectly free. This is why it must be the case that freedom is,

00:25:58.440 to put it really bluntly, the ability to do what we ought to do, rather than just...

00:26:03.980 No, no, no. This is not true.

00:26:04.960 The problem is God...

00:26:05.860 Where did I go wrong in the logic?

00:26:06.920 Because God knows what is right to do, and we don't. So the question is who decides,

00:26:11.760 and if the person who decides has complete control over you to make you choose what he decides is

00:26:18.500 good, you are not free.

00:26:19.960 So that's a pragmatic limitation on power.

00:26:23.240 Yes.

00:26:23.480 That is not a redefinition of freedom.

00:26:24.760 Right.

00:26:25.020 So what I mean by that is that you don't want to delegate to any power the ability to define

00:26:30.220 right and wrong so narrowly that you can't choose between objects.

00:26:34.080 Right.

00:26:34.260 But you also don't want people to have the quote-unquote, it's not freedom to harm another

00:26:40.400 person. Why not? Why isn't it? But why not? Why shouldn't there be freedom to harm another

00:26:44.640 person?

00:26:45.400 Because the logic, the same logic that creates freedom creates the right not to be harmed.

00:26:49.980 Okay. How about having a puppy? Do you have freedom to harm a puppy?

00:26:53.960 Here comes Christy Noem.

00:26:55.420 Here we go.

00:26:55.900 Yeah, take the human being out of it. There are certain things that we agree don't have

00:26:59.580 to do with consent, which we can get into later, but we don't believe that you have the freedom

00:27:03.680 to do those things because they are inherently harmful.

00:27:06.280 Are you agreeing, Ben, with his definition?

00:27:09.060 I do agree with his definition. Sure.

00:27:10.980 I think this is where Orthodox Jews and Catholics are united in their belief, but it is not a

00:27:17.080 Protestant belief and it is not a fundamentally American belief. The fundamental American conception

00:27:21.320 of freedom does include the, at least the, and the Protestant definition of freedom more

00:27:26.820 precisely includes freedom to fail. It isn't only freedom to succeed. It's not only freedom

00:27:31.940 to do what's right.

00:27:32.680 I don't know, but you, by the way, the Bible.

00:27:34.300 Christ didn't just give us freedom from sin as though that only means that now you have

00:27:38.560 the opportunity to do what's right. He gave us freedom from sin and that he ameliorated the

00:27:42.200 consequences of sin.

00:27:43.140 If you went back, if you went back to the Mayflower, like these cigars, and you talked

00:27:47.120 to Governor Bradford and you asked him his definition of freedom, Governor Bradford,

00:27:51.300 who took toys away from children on Christmas because they had no right to play on Christmas

00:27:56.600 day, whose definition of freedom would the great pilgrim Bradford have agreed with?

00:28:00.600 That's ridiculous.

00:28:01.200 There's no question. It would have been mine and Ben.

00:28:03.600 And I wouldn't ask him.

00:28:05.300 I'm more interested.

00:28:05.740 But I'm saying that's the American definition of freedom.

00:28:07.580 I'm interested in a biblical conception of freedom.

00:28:09.720 Hold on. Well, we are because that's what the American experiment is predicated on.

00:28:14.800 The biblical definition of freedom starts with the exodus and it is free from the tyrant.

00:28:18.860 It is, it is, it is, hold on, hold on. It's freedom. It's freedom from Pharaoh. And it's

00:28:24.120 a freedom that is accompanied by risk. And would that we were slaves again in Egypt. Because

00:28:28.280 when we were slaves again, when we were slaves in Egypt, we at least knew from whence our meal

00:28:32.580 would come.

00:28:33.400 And when they went and asked for a king, God said, they're not rejecting the prophet.

00:28:37.800 They're rejecting me because they're asking for a king.

00:28:40.120 How does that differ from what Michael said?

00:28:42.740 Okay. So two things. One, you have to finish the verse. The verse in Exodus is,

00:28:47.180 let my people go so that they may serve me in the wilderness. Right. That's the actual finish

00:28:51.120 of that particular verse. So the second.

00:28:54.300 Which is, by the way, which is not what they did.

00:28:55.980 Right. They didn't do that. And God smacks them around for it.

00:28:58.860 Second of all, the biblical term,

00:29:01.440 so the word in Hebrew for freedom is

00:29:03.980 it doesn't apply. It doesn't appear literally anywhere in the Bible. So far as I'm aware.

00:29:06.840 Cherut is a very modern term. And it really, when we talk about freedom in the, I do,

00:29:14.140 here's the reason I agree with Michael. It's because in consequence, it doesn't make so much

00:29:17.840 of a difference because what the founders were saying is that there have to be pragmatic limits

00:29:21.780 on the government because a government that is powerful enough to define virtue is also powerful

00:29:26.420 enough to ban virtue. Right.

00:29:27.900 Right. That's the, but that is not an argument for the good of the freedom itself to sin.

00:29:32.760 That's not the same thing, right? This is two different types of right. And so you do have,

00:29:37.800 you do have an exemption from the government in the sense that you don't want the government to be

00:29:40.880 quite that powerful. But inside my own family, for example, my kids are free in the sense that

00:29:46.820 they can do good things, but they are not free to do anything. Does it make them unfree?

00:29:51.360 Are my kids unfree by definition?

00:29:52.620 Yes. Of course they are. A parent is a tyrant and rightly so. Their children are not free.

00:29:59.480 Okay. But is my kid deprived? Or is that good for my kid? The point is that-

00:30:05.360 A parent's not a tyrant.

00:30:06.700 Right. Exactly. A parent is not a tyrant.

00:30:07.680 A parent is a king.

00:30:08.480 A parent is a parent. But the government is also not a parent.

00:30:10.740 Well, some parents are parents.

00:30:11.540 Right. But the parent is the boss of the house. The point, this is why I hate so much when you hear

00:30:16.360 people on the left suggest that the government is a father and a mother, right? It's not. The

00:30:19.240 government is neither of those things. But that is, again, a more pragmatic- I keep coming back

00:30:24.040 to pragmatism because otherwise you have a universalist theory of what government can and

00:30:28.600 cannot do. And I don't believe in that. I think that local government, me and my friends in our

00:30:32.540 HOA, we get to make all sorts of rules the federal government does not get to make.

00:30:35.780 Right.

00:30:36.000 Why? Because we have a broader level of homogeneity and agreement about values,

00:30:40.500 which means that we can compel that there can't be a porn shop in the middle of our living

00:30:44.800 facility, right? But that's not true on the federal level because you have broader

00:30:48.380 disagreements and you have very pragmatic concerns about handing tremendous power to

00:30:52.300 the power- But there's certain things even your HOA can't compel you to do, rightly.

00:30:55.380 Yes, because they violate certain fundamental human virtues or the possibility thereof.

00:30:59.920 But here's where the disagreement lives. You posit that freedom is only freedom if it's

00:31:07.220 freedom to be virtuous. And I posit that there is no virtue apart from freedom, that this is a

00:31:12.500 chicken and the egg, that it's a cycle, that it can't be defined only in one direction.

00:31:16.120 It works in both directions. You can't compel virtue because it's unvirtuous to the exact

00:31:22.700 degree that it was compelled.

00:31:23.660 What is education?

00:31:25.300 Well, education isn't coercive.

00:31:27.120 It's very coercive.

00:31:27.640 It is coercive.

00:31:28.680 It's not tyrannical. It's coercive.

00:31:31.180 But it's coercive.

00:31:32.040 It's coercive.

00:31:32.460 So doesn't it seem like the concept of freedom is just not a useful concept?

00:31:39.320 Well, I think it is-

00:31:40.180 That's why many cultures throughout history, probably most of them, weren't focused. They

00:31:45.500 didn't talk about freedom at all. Even probably today, you go to most places on Earth and you

00:31:49.040 talk about freedom. It's not part of their language. They don't discuss it or worry about it.

00:31:54.180 It's not that it's useless. It's that it's now the victim of tremendous semantic overload.

00:31:59.560 Yeah.

00:32:00.880 But also, to the exact extent that we're told it is for freedom that Christ has made us free,

00:32:05.540 it's pretty central to Christian theology to say that freedom is not useful.

00:32:08.860 I think it's central to all-

00:32:10.260 It's not a useless concept.

00:32:11.460 And all theology based on the Bible is that if you're not free, then your love of God

00:32:18.220 is not love.

00:32:20.080 Yeah, but the freedom in the Bible is totally different.

00:32:22.480 Freedom of choice is vital to, you're correct, to achieve virtue. That is true.

00:32:27.920 Right.

00:32:28.060 But that does not mean that the freedom to sin is an inherent good.

00:32:32.680 No.

00:32:32.840 That's not the same thing.

00:32:33.500 No, but freedom of sin is a natural accompaniment to the freedom to choose.

00:32:38.000 Jeremy's point, I think, is very good, especially on Exodus. When you view Exodus as the figure of

00:32:44.600 history, this is a very, to quote my favorite, one of my favorite old dead men, Dante, you know,

00:32:50.400 he views Exodus, one of, yeah, he's pretty close to the top.

00:32:53.960 Certainly his favorite dead man.

00:32:55.680 He views Exodus as the figure of history. You know, like all stories have a literal meaning,

00:33:01.560 they have an allegorical meaning, a moral meaning, all these different meanings.

00:33:04.260 And so what is the story of Exodus? It is literally the story of Moses leading the Israelites

00:33:10.280 out of Egypt from the Pharaoh toward the promised land. And it is allegorically the story of

00:33:16.660 God's chosen leader leading God's people to the promised land. And it is anagogically,

00:33:23.620 you know, from the perspective of the end times, telling us how we all escaped this slavery.

00:33:28.240 I'm going to tell you something you're going to hate. You're misreading Dante.

00:33:30.620 Dante. I'm mis, what are you talking about? I'm misreading. I probably am because I,

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00:34:58.300 big, something huge, something unprecedented. We're going to premiere the second greatest

00:35:04.480 commercial ever. And we didn't do that because it's now 40 minutes into it. But we're going to do it now.

00:35:10.540 This is, as I said before, we've been hard at work for two years on trying to move our

00:35:15.460 manufacturing out of China. And we've done just that. I'm going to tell you more about it.

00:35:19.320 Michael shaved with it. I've watched people shave with it. I have a beard. I mean, it's part of the,

00:35:23.320 it's part of my shtick. And we'll talk about that when we come back. But first, here it is.

00:35:27.320 We're proud to present the world premiere of the second greatest commercial ever.

00:35:31.140 Oh, hey, I'm Jeremy Boring, CEO of Daily Wire and founder of Jeremy's Razors. Woke razor

00:35:47.700 companies love to take your money while trampling on your values. Me? I just love your money.

00:35:56.580 Cut, cut, cut!

00:35:58.000 What the hell is this?

00:36:20.860 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Nobody calls cut on my set but me.

00:36:25.580 What, do you run Hollywood now? Two on the nose.

00:36:28.740 What is this? We're filming the commercial for the brand new second generation Jeremy's Razor.

00:36:33.680 Yeah, I get it. We moved our manufacturing out of China. Plus, with the new Sprint 3 and

00:36:37.740 Precision 5 blades, you can shave like a man, not a manifesto. But who's he?

00:36:43.280 I'm Black Jeremy, huge fan. Do you mind if we get a selfie?

00:36:47.200 Oh, yeah, come on.

00:36:48.340 Look, we talked about this. Customers want diversity. Customers want inclusion. Customers

00:36:55.040 want Black Jeremy.

00:36:57.840 And for the commercials to be less macho. Can we please lose the flamethrower and the car?

00:37:03.300 It's overcompensating and we need...

00:37:05.500 Who are you?

00:37:06.580 I'm Jessica. I've been following you around half naked for two years.

00:37:10.120 Hope that makes you some kind of expert on advertising. Besides, don't you think it's a little insulting

00:37:13.960 to Black people?

00:37:14.820 Oh, we prefer people of color.

00:37:17.620 Don't you think it's a little insulting to Black people of color that instead of giving

00:37:20.800 them their own roles to play, you just recast them as a beloved white character?

00:37:25.580 Hell yeah, it is.

00:37:27.040 We don't do it for people of color. We do it for liberal white women.

00:37:33.180 I'll spell it out for you. Liberal white women make most of the purchasing decisions for

00:37:37.100 the family, so happy commercials with people of color smiling at each other make them feel

00:37:41.280 hella virtuous.

00:37:42.060 Bitches love to feel virtuous.

00:37:44.260 They do.

00:37:46.220 That's why there's no white people in commercials anymore.

00:37:49.280 Exactly.

00:37:50.140 But that's so...

00:37:51.340 Gay?

00:37:52.740 Sorry, I'm the body positivity hire.

00:37:55.000 You are so brave.

00:37:56.860 What is even happening right now?

00:37:58.820 Think of all the razors you'll sell.

00:38:00.560 And don't forget Jeremy's shampoo and conditioner.

00:38:03.880 They are excellent products.

00:38:05.960 Hey, what if I play your character a little less bitchy?

00:38:11.340 Unbelievable.

00:38:16.620 Jeremy's razors isn't for liberal white women.

00:38:19.300 It's for men.

00:38:20.720 Conservative men.

00:38:22.320 So stop giving your money to woke corporations who hate you.

00:38:25.640 Give it to me instead.

00:38:33.380 Hey, liberal white ladies.

00:38:34.820 You know what's up.

00:38:38.980 Go to jeremysrazors.com now and buy the new radically redesigned second gen razors featuring

00:38:45.180 sharper, longer lasting blades and superior durability.

00:38:48.700 Now in more inclusive three and five blade models.

00:38:51.800 Oh man, I am so offended.

00:38:58.580 That was a thing that happened in all of our lives.

00:39:00.520 Yeah, that's two days.

00:39:01.620 That was two days in March.

00:39:04.720 It's actually the truth, right?

00:39:05.940 You don't see any white people in commercials anymore.

00:39:07.660 And everybody says, oh, it's like they don't understand that white people are still their

00:39:11.340 customer.

00:39:11.920 No, they do understand.

00:39:13.820 They understand who their customer is.

00:39:15.760 That's the problem.

00:39:16.500 We know who our customer is too.

00:39:18.460 We feel like our customer will probably appreciate the commentary.

00:39:22.200 We're doing something different.

00:39:23.100 In addition to rolling out the brand new Gen 2 razor, as I said before, it's a truly world

00:39:27.720 class razor.

00:39:28.420 It's on par with anything else that you've tried.

00:39:31.160 We have a precision blade.

00:39:32.520 We have a quick shave blade.

00:39:33.820 Michael, which one have you used?

00:39:34.800 So I've got the precision and I don't want to brag or anything.

00:39:39.940 I have very supple skin.

00:39:41.660 I've got a little cute little baby face over here and I dry shave.

00:39:45.220 So I get out of the shower.

00:39:46.300 I don't use, I hate shaving cream and stuff.

00:39:48.700 And I was a little nervous that I'd lose half the moneymaker.

00:39:51.880 You know, if I just, no, it's a beautiful shave.

00:39:54.340 It's really, it really is an excellent shave.

00:39:56.060 And then I get to keep my supple little face.

00:39:58.260 I want to test this thing on my head for Friday show.

00:40:01.840 Give me the one that was going to work best on my head.

00:40:04.020 I will do.

00:40:04.800 And in fact, co-CEO Caleb has been shaving his head with it.

00:40:08.300 And I've seen blood very few times.

00:40:09.800 No, he's dead.

00:40:13.120 We're doing something else new, which is we're selling on Amazon.

00:40:16.060 Here to four, you've only been able to go to jeremysrazors.com.

00:40:18.480 Today, you can go to Amazon.

00:40:19.840 That's really important for us because we want, obviously, for the product to be accessible

00:40:22.660 to more and more people.

00:40:24.000 And that's important, A, because it's how we keep the lights on around here.

00:40:27.220 It's also important, though, because we do have a mission with all of this.

00:40:30.800 And our mission is to actually create competition in the marketplace on behalf of conservatives.

00:40:34.860 For basically the last two decades, corporations have moved further and further and further to the left,

00:40:40.380 taking for granted fully 50% of their potential customers.

00:40:43.920 And this country, they've done so because they just assume that if they cater to the right,

00:40:47.680 the left will abandon them and have a lot of options in doing so.

00:40:50.780 But if they pander to the left, you have no option.

00:40:52.540 You're just going to keep buying their products here.

00:40:54.420 You keep giving them your money no matter what.

00:40:56.040 That's what we're trying to challenge by building these brands and these companies.

00:40:59.340 So we hope you'll go over to Amazon.

00:41:01.540 It's hard, you know, getting into a new platform like Amazon.

00:41:03.740 Obviously, everybody's there, but you need to trend.

00:41:05.320 You need to rank.

00:41:06.120 We need it to be Prime eligible, which means that Amazon needs to see that there's demand for it.

00:41:09.760 So head over to Amazon.

00:41:11.020 This is what you're looking for, this lovely new box and the brand new Jeremy's Razor 2nd Gen Razor 2.0.

00:41:17.600 Do it right now.

00:41:18.120 We're really excited about the product.

00:41:20.460 And, you know, if it's good enough for Michael Knowles, I mean, then it needs a better recommendation.

00:41:27.240 Well, I mean, producing that commercial was the seventh circle of hell.

00:41:30.560 So back to Dante.

00:41:31.360 Yes.

00:41:31.900 Oh, you had fun.

00:41:33.640 That is a segway.

00:41:34.940 By the way, you're really funny in the commercial.

00:41:36.680 You are funny.

00:41:36.940 That's nice of you.

00:41:37.680 When we started the company, I used to routinely tell people you were a terrible actor.

00:41:41.960 And I said so on account of you were a, I mean, truly bad.

00:41:45.280 Yes.

00:41:45.800 Truly bad.

00:41:46.560 Yes.

00:41:46.740 But you found it.

00:41:47.560 Let's talk about this.

00:41:48.040 You found it somewhere.

00:41:49.100 I feel like in Lady Ballers, you were hilarious.

00:41:51.440 In the commercial, you're hilarious.

00:41:52.180 Again, if you just give me, like, a very, a person who's just pissed off to be there.

00:41:55.980 I'm a method actor.

00:41:57.740 I have to be in the place.

00:41:59.360 You have to find my motivation.

00:42:00.780 Was he in the commercial?

00:42:01.800 I had the most important role of the whole thing.

00:42:04.120 He was a black guy.

00:42:05.200 You were a black guy in there?

00:42:06.580 Yeah, hold on.

00:42:07.420 Is that you?

00:42:07.940 Yeah, that was me.

00:42:08.540 You and Roy Behar.

00:42:09.700 He really lost himself in the character.

00:42:11.140 Wow, that's impressive, man.

00:42:12.380 For Robert Downey, when you're up.

00:42:13.500 Matt appears in the background of the selfie.

00:42:16.580 That's good.

00:42:17.440 On second viewing, you'll see it.

00:42:18.500 I was hoping for a full Al Jolson, you know.

00:42:20.760 I love to sing.

00:42:21.340 I was going to say, for a minute, I thought we'd let a black guy in here.

00:42:23.260 By the way, Siakka, who plays Black Jeremy and also had a very funny role in Jeremy's Razors,

00:42:31.740 is a good buddy of ours, is now Black Jeremy.

00:42:35.180 Like, I think it's going to buy me a lot of freedom not to have to be in all the commercials.

00:42:39.060 He's funny.

00:42:39.780 He's genuinely hilarious.

00:42:41.820 He's genuinely hilarious.

00:42:43.500 And a good guy, too.

00:42:45.260 It is true.

00:42:45.740 And also, I will admit that I found it very funny when the actress says that she has been following her on

00:42:52.420 half-naked for two years and you never noticed.

00:42:56.220 I do like that line a lot.

00:42:58.060 Yeah.

00:42:58.540 Was the car different?

00:43:00.340 Yes.

00:43:00.880 That was a different McLaren.

00:43:02.340 So, the God King's McLaren is a bass boat blue.

00:43:06.920 I don't know if that's the official color, but I call it a bass boat blue McLaren 600.

00:43:12.160 And we thought that for black Jeremy that he needed something with a little more attitude.

00:43:16.940 A little funkier.

00:43:17.740 We've got a purple McLaren 720.

00:43:19.460 So, we now have two McLarens.

00:43:21.100 Am I going to keep getting paychecks or is this?

00:43:23.760 I don't know that I've ever gotten a paycheck.

00:43:25.380 You can paychecks.

00:43:25.960 Yeah.

00:43:26.780 Ben said it was in the mail.

00:43:28.020 So, I assume it's coming at some point.

00:43:30.440 Yeah.

00:43:31.480 It's hard to find money to pay you when we have to keep spending day after day to change

00:43:34.980 the locks over and over again.

00:43:36.700 Just keep picking them.

00:43:37.540 He keeps on.

00:43:39.180 So, anyway, back to the freedom conversation.

00:43:41.720 Back to Dante.

00:43:42.220 Let's go back to Dante.

00:43:43.400 I want to talk about it.

00:43:43.980 Do you want to talk about that?

00:43:45.260 Yes.

00:43:45.580 Okay, fine.

00:43:45.980 I'll let you.

00:43:46.560 I have one final point on Dante.

00:43:47.840 Then you can tell me why I'm totally wrong.

00:43:49.420 Dante was a little bit of a rhino.

00:43:51.780 And this is a weird thing.

00:43:53.300 Dante, he fights at the Battle of Campaldino for the Pope, the Pope side.

00:43:57.280 Then he goes back.

00:43:58.180 I want to hear.

00:43:58.600 The Pope side wins.

00:43:59.820 Then he becomes like a rhino of the Pope side and he's pro-emperor side.

00:44:03.600 And then the Pope side kicks him out and sends him into exile.

00:44:06.300 So, the upshot of all of this is Dante argues, to the point of like pragmatic limitations

00:44:12.160 on power, for a kind of early separation of church and state.

00:44:16.420 And it's not a total separation.

00:44:17.540 He thinks the civil authority should receive light from the spiritual authority, should

00:44:22.040 be guided by the spiritual authority and illuminated by it, but that they're distinct.

00:44:26.360 That the state, the emperor, and the Pope, the spiritual authority, both receive their

00:44:31.140 power directly from God.

00:44:32.880 And so, basically, the emperor doesn't have to answer to the Pope.

00:44:36.180 And this is a kind of early limitation on the power of government, though it's not this

00:44:42.300 total secular, you know, the church should have no say in anything.

00:44:45.940 And I think Dante was right.

00:44:46.740 First of all, we're having a kind of conversation at cross purposes because one thing we're talking

00:44:50.680 about is the nature of man before God, which is different than the nature of man before

00:44:54.800 government.

00:44:55.320 Right.

00:44:55.420 So, that we're talking about two different things and the quality of freedom in those

00:44:59.080 two different situations is different, which is the problem with Catholic theocracy.

00:45:05.420 In Dante, Dante goes into hell and views the people who are damned for the choices that they

00:45:11.460 have made.

00:45:12.220 And because Dante is an actual great poet, the people come to life in such a way that you

00:45:17.460 actually feel for them in their situation.

00:45:19.540 But he's told not to feel pity for them because they have made their free choices.

00:45:24.720 So, they're obviously, the freedom is a good, even in hell.

00:45:28.620 And so, he's not saying that they only were given the freedom to do the right thing.

00:45:33.360 He's saying we don't pity them because they have chosen where they are and their humanity

00:45:39.100 shines out of the problem.

00:45:40.080 Well, hold on.

00:45:41.320 I don't understand why that makes freedom to do the wrong thing itself a good as opposed

00:45:45.700 to a natural consequence of misusing freedom.

00:45:47.540 Because it naturally accompanies the freedom to do what's right.

00:45:50.200 That's right.

00:45:50.580 Which is why in the Exodus, we see that God's people sin, even on their way out, and God

00:45:58.160 doesn't forsake them.

00:45:59.440 And in Christian theology, that's fulfilled in Christ, who, yes, gives us freedom to do

00:46:04.840 what's right, but that is accompanied by forgiveness for doing what's wrong.

00:46:10.080 Yeah, but in the old time.

00:46:10.560 You have the freedom.

00:46:11.680 There's a multiplicity of God just going hog wild on people.

00:46:14.420 Yeah.

00:46:14.560 I mean, okay, so the distinction that I was going to make about the definition of freedom

00:46:20.040 is that people misuse it because it's such a broad term.

00:46:23.540 Right.

00:46:23.960 And so, people mean a bunch of different things by it, right?

00:46:26.180 Sometimes what people mean is, I'm free to do whatever I want to do.

00:46:30.200 Sometimes it means that I need a freedom to have health care, right?

00:46:35.180 Which is, I want somebody else to do something for me.

00:46:37.200 Like, there are a bunch of different uses of the word freedom that are actually mutually

00:46:40.280 exclusive in some cases.

00:46:41.300 The two that I want to focus on that I think that get mixed up really easily in this particular

00:46:45.260 conversation are a right in the sense that you have no duty to do X, where you have two

00:46:53.220 choices that are both morally justifiable or interesting or irrelevant.

00:46:59.020 Like, whether you're going to have meat or whether you're going to have milk tonight,

00:47:00.980 right?

00:47:01.160 Like, if you're a Jew, you're going to have meat or milk tonight.

00:47:03.520 You're going to have a cheeseburger or pork if you're a Christian.

00:47:05.540 Which is your, like, that has no moral qualifications and really has no moral importance.

00:47:13.000 And so, there's no duty.

00:47:14.660 So, the definition of that kind of freedom is you have a right to do X because you have

00:47:18.340 no duty not to do X, right?

00:47:20.760 That is one kind of freedom.

00:47:22.260 That is not the same thing as you have a freedom to sin.

00:47:26.180 You have freedom to choose among various different things because you have no duty not to do that.

00:47:31.080 So, in other words, I do have a duty not to sin.

00:47:34.080 I do have a duty not to sin, which means I don't have a right to sin.

00:47:37.160 I have a duty not to sin on a moral level.

00:47:39.080 That is different from the thing we're talking about on a governmental level, which is an

00:47:42.100 immunity, which is the government does not have the power to compel me to do this thing.

00:47:47.540 That's why I keep going back to the pragmatic thing.

00:47:49.500 Yeah, so there are two different kinds of freedom.

00:47:50.960 Right.

00:47:51.140 So, if you agree with that, then we're actually all in agreement.

00:47:53.320 So, then I think we basically, that goes back to my point, which is that when I say is it

00:48:00.100 a useful concept, I'm not saying it doesn't matter or it's unimportant, but in conversation

00:48:08.760 and in political debate, if the definition of freedom required, you know, we could debate

00:48:13.320 it for two hours and it has 50 different meanings and people mean 50 different things, it gets

00:48:18.320 to the point where just in common conversation when we're having a political debate and it

00:48:22.860 seems like it's just not useful to talk about.

00:48:25.700 And so, I feel the same way about rights.

00:48:27.800 We talk about rights and what even is a right?

00:48:30.060 And that's why I've tried to not use that term as much and instead talk about responsibility,

00:48:35.580 which is the flip side of rights like you're talking about.

00:48:37.560 But people understand that concept more.

00:48:39.820 It's a more useful concept and a useful term.

00:48:42.360 There is an important thing about this, going back to Polybius, because I think the cycle

00:48:47.100 of regimes is real.

00:48:47.920 There's no question about it.

00:48:49.320 All history shows it.

00:48:50.820 But the question to me is this.

00:48:53.860 When a democracy or whatever you want to call it, when it becomes chaos such that a strong

00:49:01.320 man has to be brought in and it then morphs into a tyranny.

00:49:05.020 I mean, Lord Acton's point in the fall of the Roman Republic that you were at three years

00:49:09.180 after the Republic fell in August.

00:49:11.340 And this is actually true.

00:49:12.740 If you think the empire was bad, just wait till you hear about the Republic.

00:49:15.700 Right.

00:49:16.060 Exactly.

00:49:16.580 Exactly.

00:49:16.940 So you were actually freer in that situation.

00:49:19.840 But my argument with Acton on this is that if you don't have the right to choose who governs

00:49:27.120 you, you actually aren't free.

00:49:28.820 And so my only point is this.

00:49:30.740 In the fall, in the morphing of a democracy into a tyranny, you have lost something of value.

00:49:36.380 And that's why I think before you let the democracy fall to bring order, you should actually try to

00:49:42.020 preserve the democracy.

00:49:43.420 And there is something at least to, you know, I love American history.

00:49:47.200 We're talking about the pilgrims and the revolution and everything.

00:49:50.340 You know, America doesn't have a tradition of a king.

00:49:52.760 We could have.

00:49:54.160 There were very serious founding fathers and framers who argued for it or for some kind of

00:49:58.520 elected monarchy or, you know, Washington is king or something.

00:50:01.120 But we don't.

00:50:02.320 We just don't.

00:50:02.900 We don't have a royal family.

00:50:03.740 I quite like the Windsors for all of their, you know, foibles and eccentricities.

00:50:08.820 I think they've been basically good for England over the last century or more.

00:50:12.640 And, but we don't have that.

00:50:14.140 So, you know, until Emperor Baron comes up, we've got to deal with our own political tradition.

00:50:19.000 But don't we see in Washington turning over his sword to the, you know, political authorities,

00:50:25.980 don't we see something amazing?

00:50:28.100 I mean, aren't we seeing something there that is unique in history, almost unique in history,

00:50:32.060 and just an inherent good?

00:50:36.120 I mean, don't we see in that moment something that is inherently good?

00:50:39.860 And in the fall of the republic, don't we see something that is unfortunate?

00:50:43.140 King George is said to have remarked upon hearing that Washington handed over.

00:50:47.220 The king said this.

00:50:48.180 The king said this.

00:50:48.760 He said that Washington might be the greatest man in the world.

00:50:51.120 I think he said it to Benjamin West.

00:50:52.660 Yeah.

00:50:52.840 I mean, yes and no.

00:50:55.620 Well, I mean, listen, again, as a defender of the republic and a deep non-believer in

00:51:01.440 the return of a tyranny or a monarchy, just on a theoretical level, the idea that one form

00:51:06.860 of government is inherently better than another because you vote, I don't think is true.

00:51:11.520 I agree with you.

00:51:11.960 Because I think that rights precede, if you like rights all that much, and I'm talking

00:51:16.480 here about, or structures of law, property, these things historically precede the form of

00:51:21.200 government, they don't act as a result of the form of government, historically speaking.

00:51:26.300 Meaning that if you want to look at the rights that existed for the British, those well pre-existed

00:51:30.880 the power of parliament.

00:51:32.180 They started with a bunch of oligarchic lords fighting with the king to dissemble power.

00:51:37.820 They weakened under the power of the growing power of parliament.

00:51:39.940 I mean, that's actually true.

00:51:40.780 And by the way, I mean, one of the cases that you can easily make with regards to the American

00:51:43.880 Republic is that if you're looking at the rights, I mean, and here, obviously, you get

00:51:47.580 into very dicey territory because not everybody in America had rights.

00:51:50.140 Most obviously black Americans.

00:51:51.880 But if you were looking at the inherent centralizing power of a tyrannical government, it was very

00:51:57.620 weak early on.

00:51:58.880 And one of the reasons that it was kind of weak early on is because not everybody could

00:52:01.100 vote.

00:52:01.600 One of the things that you get along with full suffrage is the ability to swamp rights in

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00:52:09.580 A welfare state.

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00:53:28.700 So 20 is Nightline.

00:53:30.120 Nightline did a full episode on our good friend Andrew Tate the other day.

00:53:35.180 And it was, you know, mediocre as Nightline usually is.

00:53:38.500 And it included some interesting material and included some really dumb material from some

00:53:43.080 sort of gender studies professor who's explaining why feminism is good for us all, which is

00:53:46.160 exactly why Andrew Tate exists.

00:53:47.740 Legitimately, it's like the episode was made about why Andrew Tate is evil.

00:53:51.320 And then some of which I agree.

00:53:53.900 And then large chunks of which I agree.

00:53:56.720 And then the counter is not responsible manhood.

00:53:59.200 It's some dude being like, but feminism is a solution for everyone.

00:54:01.960 It's like, God bless it.

00:54:03.280 ABC, you're the worst.

00:54:04.420 But the most interesting part of the doc was that there are all these outstanding sexual

00:54:11.180 assault warrants on the Tate and sex trafficking warrants on the Tate and all of this.

00:54:16.160 And there are a couple of the women who have come out and said, I was not sex trafficked.

00:54:20.420 I consented.

00:54:21.860 And the prosecutor in that particular case says, well, it doesn't matter if you consented.

00:54:25.180 It's still sex trafficking.

00:54:26.080 If you were convinced to come via the lover boy method to Romania and then serve effectively

00:54:31.440 as a prostitute on camera, it doesn't matter whether you wanted to do it or you didn't

00:54:35.240 want to do that.

00:54:35.740 That is still sex trafficking.

00:54:36.900 It's a crime.

00:54:37.540 It is a crime.

00:54:38.540 And this raises the question of freedom because freedom always sort of implies with it consent,

00:54:43.840 right?

00:54:44.120 Consent of the governed would be democracy.

00:54:45.420 So this goes back to, is consent the core value?

00:54:51.660 Because for the West, it's not just that even if you argue that it's an inherent value, it

00:54:55.500 has become the inherent value in the West.

00:54:56.980 It's the only value that matters.

00:54:59.040 And you can see the breakdown of that system of morality every single day, particularly with

00:55:03.740 young women who have been told their entire life that their consent is a binary question.

00:55:08.460 It's yes or no.

00:55:09.560 And then men look at that and they're like, okay, well, if consent is all that matters here,

00:55:13.080 then I can do whatever I want to do to you.

00:55:15.000 So long as you consent to it and we are, our society no longer has the language to condemn

00:55:20.100 women for saying yes to the thing, or even more importantly, condemn men for taking advantage

00:55:26.200 of a woman who says yes to a thing is not taking advantage.

00:55:29.240 If she says yes to the thing and that's a, that's a sickness in a society.

00:55:33.160 This is if you read the New York times, the New York times writes like three or four sex

00:55:36.740 articles every week and every single one of them is musing over how things could have

00:55:42.500 gone so wrong when they had consent.

00:55:45.000 And this is again and again in the New York times, which I take to be the voice of the

00:55:49.080 left as a, an old fashioned, they're kind of a fusty old paper.

00:55:52.780 They're dealing with leftism as it was 60 years ago, but now it's permeated our society.

00:55:57.100 But their, their idea is like sex is the only willed human action that takes place outside

00:56:02.580 of moral context.

00:56:03.360 Yeah.

00:56:03.740 So that if you have consent, you can do the, there's no such thing as if you dress up in

00:56:08.300 leather and have somebody stick cigarettes in you, you're not degrading yourself as long

00:56:12.460 as you can, and the idea that you can degrade, because if you have no soul, there's nothing

00:56:16.740 to degrade, right?

00:56:17.500 As long as your body is having pleasure.

00:56:19.440 Yeah.

00:56:19.600 That's, I think the important, the important point is that they don't have the language,

00:56:23.540 but the concepts are still there.

00:56:24.980 Yes.

00:56:25.180 But the, the only language they have to describe the concepts is consent.

00:56:28.780 That's how you end up with, you know, a woman who shacks up with a guy for a night, gets

00:56:33.520 drunk or whatever, college campus, and then wakes up in the morning and she's feeling, she

00:56:38.760 knows she, she feels a certain way.

00:56:40.120 She feels degraded.

00:56:40.940 She feels like her dignity has been, has been violated.

00:56:43.400 She feels like she's been taken advantage of.

00:56:44.900 She was not raped, but the problem is that consent is the only word she has to describe how she

00:56:50.520 feels.

00:56:51.300 And so she says, well, my consent was violated.

00:56:53.080 And so then this thing that is not rape becomes rape because that's just her way of condemning,

00:56:58.560 not, not just the guy, but also her own behavior.

00:57:01.560 But it, it, then it becomes, so then everything's a binary question.

00:57:04.800 It's either on this side of the consent line or on that side of the consent line.

00:57:07.540 But the reality is there's a whole, there's a whole X axis here, right?

00:57:10.900 That you're ignoring, right?

00:57:11.840 You got the Y axis, which is like consent or not consent.

00:57:14.620 And then you have the X axis, which is degrading or not degrading.

00:57:18.780 And things can exist in all four quadrants, right?

00:57:21.280 You can have stuff that's consensual and not degrading, which is,

00:57:23.080 is hopefully, you know, like marital sex.

00:57:24.880 And then you have things that are consensual and degrading, which is a very real quadrant

00:57:28.380 right there.

00:57:29.160 And then you have things that are consensual and non-consensual and non-degrading.

00:57:34.180 It would be probably empty.

00:57:35.320 That's an empty quadrant.

00:57:36.120 Then you have non-consensual and degrading.

00:57:38.240 And that's a huge quadrant, right?

00:57:40.660 Consensual and degrading is a really big quadrant.

00:57:43.120 Non-consensual and degrading is a very big quadrant.

00:57:45.200 But they've disappeared an entire quadrant from that part.

00:57:47.900 Non-consensual and non-degrading.

00:57:49.600 Like a cocktail waitress runs in here right now, clips a cigar, shoves it in my teeth,

00:57:55.500 lights it on fire, and forces me to drink a Macallan 25.

00:57:59.080 Right.

00:57:59.500 It's not consensual.

00:58:00.580 Consensual but not degrading.

00:58:01.240 But it was edifying.

00:58:02.280 That's fair.

00:58:02.940 Exactly.

00:58:03.860 Exactly.

00:58:04.180 But that category of consensual and degrading just doesn't exist for these people.

00:58:10.320 It just doesn't exist at all.

00:58:11.200 And so women are lost for this language.

00:58:13.080 And then because of that, because they've degraded themselves, it makes it very difficult

00:58:15.520 for them to form normal human relationships.

00:58:17.440 Also, the fact that men and women have a nature that if you get drunk with a bunch of guys,

00:58:21.780 you're making a mistake.

00:58:22.760 And they say, well, that's blaming the victim.

00:58:24.240 But it's not.

00:58:25.000 It's just like walking down an alley at 3 o'clock in the morning and you get mugged.

00:58:28.500 It's the mugger's fault.

00:58:29.580 But you're an idiot.

00:58:30.380 And you've done something because there are muggers, because human beings are corrupt.

00:58:33.900 And, you know, that's not a place to be at 3 in the morning.

00:58:36.440 Walking out in a tsunami without an umbrella, I guess it's the weather's fault, you know,

00:58:42.400 in a way.

00:58:43.060 But these things are to be expected.

00:58:44.280 Also, an umbrella in a tsunami is not going to do you much good.

00:58:46.280 Not much good, no.

00:58:47.640 But, you know, again, I think that does go to the, when you make freedom your highest

00:58:51.240 priority without any countervailing values, you end up in these very ugly places.

00:58:55.340 Yeah.

00:58:55.460 Well, again, I think that we're confusing the freedom that is part of the dignity of being

00:59:01.340 a human being and the freedom, the political freedom, which is, yeah, agreed, yeah, agreed.

00:59:07.760 I mean.

00:59:08.100 What do you want to talk about that's not this?

00:59:09.340 Because I'm friends.

00:59:09.760 Can you guys resolve your differences?

00:59:11.120 What's that?

00:59:11.760 I think we're talking about, I think we just have to excise Knowles.

00:59:16.320 Well, I was launching.

00:59:17.020 Wait, hold on.

00:59:17.580 I was launching an entirely new business while Jeremy's Razor 2.0.

00:59:21.320 When I said one minute before walking on set, well, let's just release the Razor, I didn't

00:59:27.680 realize that they'd need me to, like, send out tweets and give instructions to the team

00:59:32.120 and sign documents.

00:59:32.800 I will say that when I host the show, I'm a little more involved than this.

00:59:37.380 You're a better host than I am in a lot of ways.

00:59:40.760 The only thing, the advantage that I have over you is that the less you know, the more

00:59:45.560 charming you can be, basically, for me, it just comes down to, like, I'm not going to

00:59:51.760 give up my freedom.

00:59:52.700 Yeah.

00:59:53.100 I mean, it really is that simple.

00:59:54.060 I know that's like a simple thing, but even my freedom to fail.

00:59:58.340 Economic freedom is an enormous part of freedom that I don't think you can maintain in a coercive.

01:00:04.420 I mean, you don't have economic freedom in Russia because if you even start to build a

01:00:09.320 successful business, Vladimir Putin comes and takes it away from you and makes it his

01:00:12.840 business.

01:00:13.200 Yes, but in the year 900 BC, he owned that business.

01:00:16.060 That's the thing.

01:00:17.240 Which you don't understand.

01:00:18.200 In the Lithuanian-Polish commonwealth.

01:00:19.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:22.060 Well, we've covered most of the big topics.

01:00:23.840 We covered Jeremy's Razor's 2.0.

01:00:26.920 The Battle of Campaldino.

01:00:28.360 The Battle of Campaldino.

01:00:29.360 We covered Dante.

01:00:30.560 We covered freedom in Exodus, consent.

01:00:33.180 Julia Fox.

01:00:34.220 Yeah, I don't, is there anything else in there?

01:00:35.480 I think the only thing we haven't talked about is Donald Trump's sex life.

01:00:37.840 So I think it's probably worth, like, just coming out of this beautiful, philosophical,

01:00:43.200 world that we've lived in and getting down into a really disgusting, salacious politics.

01:00:46.120 I have to say, this is driving me crazy.

01:00:47.140 I have to admit, this Trump trial is making me nuts.

01:00:50.780 I mean.

01:00:51.360 I love it.

01:00:52.060 I love it.

01:00:52.660 Well, it's incredibly entertaining.

01:00:54.520 Yeah.

01:00:54.800 But it is the greatest violation of American norms and principles and ethics that I think

01:01:00.420 I've seen in my lifetime.

01:01:01.400 It reminds me of a Capra movie, you know, like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, where everybody

01:01:06.360 is corrupting.

01:01:07.060 Except for Mr. Smith, you know.

01:01:08.740 Well, this is the thing.

01:01:09.540 Bang to boys.

01:01:09.820 They have turned this guy.

01:01:11.320 Aside from this.

01:01:11.880 They have turned this guy.

01:01:12.320 Almost like that.

01:01:13.080 They have turned this guy into a hero in the same way that Samson is a hero.

01:01:17.300 You know, Samson.

01:01:17.820 That's fair.

01:01:18.660 It's like.

01:01:19.480 It's also true that if you shear him off his hair.

01:01:21.800 Yeah.

01:01:22.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:22.680 It loses his great power.

01:01:23.620 Exactly.

01:01:24.280 It's also true.

01:01:25.040 And so I can't wait for him to be put in the doorway of the courthouse.

01:01:28.660 I mean.

01:01:29.060 He pushes down all of the pillars and all of the.

01:01:31.180 But nothing.

01:01:31.640 It collapses upon the pillars.

01:01:32.480 Nothing stops him.

01:01:33.000 This is like.

01:01:33.560 This is like.

01:01:34.160 Talk about a tsunami.

01:01:35.180 This is like a tsunami of oppression that has hit him.

01:01:39.380 Everybody.

01:01:40.040 Every single institution we have is trying to bring this guy down.

01:01:42.780 And they can't stop him.

01:01:43.820 This is the thing.

01:01:44.620 Even I have come to admire Donald Trump.

01:01:46.380 Everybody.

01:01:46.900 Everybody jokes.

01:01:47.900 Donald Trump has lived a very colorful life.

01:01:49.480 And he's talked about it.

01:01:50.360 Bragged about it.

01:01:50.840 And I cannot think of another human being who with this kind of stuff thrown.

01:01:56.220 Yep, yep, yep, yep.

01:01:56.680 Four indictments.

01:01:57.840 They want to put him in jail for 700 years or whatever.

01:02:00.280 And he seems only to be energized by it.

01:02:03.280 He's going out.

01:02:04.220 He goes to Harlem to do a little bodega rally.

01:02:06.940 He's doing a rally in the South Bronx.

01:02:08.760 A Republican has not.

01:02:10.200 A white guy, much less an orange guy, has not entered the South Bronx in probably 100 years.

01:02:14.760 This guy's going to go do it.

01:02:15.700 And the reason I love the trial, it is so unjust and it's so absurd.

01:02:22.060 And their star witness has committed more egregious crimes than the guy they're actually trying to prosecute.

01:02:25.740 Yeah, of course.

01:02:26.560 But, and unprosecuted, by the way, for their star witness.

01:02:29.380 Yeah, and basically just, like, can't help but talk about them.

01:02:31.940 Yeah, all the time.

01:02:33.520 And, like, with all of that, they are so farcically bad at prosecuting Trump.

01:02:41.620 Right.

01:02:41.760 Everyone, the AG, this judge is a complete joke.

01:02:45.360 The prosecution, like, didn't know what their star witness was going to say.

01:02:50.000 Like, they didn't realize the defense had prepared anything.

01:02:52.920 That every second this trial goes on, I feel that Trump gets stronger.

01:02:57.280 I don't think it's just Rosie.

01:02:58.360 It's a blessing for him.

01:02:58.640 It's absolutely a blessing for him.

01:02:59.880 It's a blessing in disguise.

01:03:00.860 It's the worst thing.

01:03:01.700 I would never want to be put through it.

01:03:02.980 It's a massive blessing to his political campaign for a couple of reasons.

01:03:06.320 One, as you say, it's on its face an absurd charge.

01:03:10.120 Second, the coterie of witnesses that they have is legitimately a woman who sells sex for

01:03:15.260 money on camera and a lawyer who stole $60,000.

01:03:19.300 Right.

01:03:19.540 I mean, when she said that she was shocked, how did I find myself here?

01:03:21.780 I mean, I don't know.

01:03:22.440 How do you find yourself there every single day on camera?

01:03:24.420 On camera, yeah.

01:03:24.880 You were just doing your job is the answer.

01:03:26.580 Like, you found yourself shocked the same way I find myself shocked to be sitting behind

01:03:29.660 a desk talking.

01:03:30.340 Like, what are you talking about?

01:03:31.920 But the whole trial is absurd.

01:03:34.160 But it's also done him the favor of putting him, as he says, the icebox.

01:03:37.400 Yeah.

01:03:37.540 That's actually great for him.

01:03:38.980 Yeah.

01:03:39.180 If I could have constructed a campaign wherein Twitter did not exist for him, he would be

01:03:43.780 forced into fake Twitter where no one was, and he would just tweet into it and no one

01:03:47.400 would ever notice.

01:03:48.060 The oblivion, we might call it.

01:03:48.960 Right, exactly.

01:03:50.100 You might call it truth social.

01:03:51.320 And he was then put into a room where he was literally not allowed to talk for multiple

01:03:56.980 hours a day.

01:03:57.920 But he could only emerge to speak about how he wasn't allowed to talk and then go back

01:04:01.860 into that place.

01:04:02.920 And if he could do that for the rest of it, I hope that this trial lasts another seven

01:04:06.780 months.

01:04:07.160 Well, don't worry.

01:04:07.660 There's three or four more coming up right behind it.

01:04:09.440 But they're not going to get there in time.

01:04:11.240 They can't do it.

01:04:11.680 This is the only one.

01:04:12.540 This is the weakest of the four.

01:04:14.880 The world on fire.

01:04:15.780 He's the worst president.

01:04:16.860 He is the worst.

01:04:17.660 He is so terrible.

01:04:19.060 Everything the man does is just trash.

01:04:21.460 I mean, the world is literally on fire and it's all his fault.

01:04:25.080 It is.

01:04:25.540 Every element of it is his fault.

01:04:27.140 He is trash at this.

01:04:28.740 It's unbelievable how bad he is as a president.

01:04:30.560 Did you see he so he releases he's going to release a million barrels of oil from this

01:04:34.640 Northeast Reserve Joe Biden to bring it down by two cents.

01:04:37.500 Yeah, I'll bring gas down by nothing.

01:04:39.140 But he needs to do it to have any shot of restoring gas prices.

01:04:43.040 And so he can't he can't just drill for more oil because the left won't accept that.

01:04:47.820 But they need more oil.

01:04:48.800 So they do it in this really inefficient way.

01:04:50.920 Then Joe Biden, he goes after the International Criminal Court because they seem to be getting

01:04:54.900 big for their britches.

01:04:55.700 Even though Joe Biden is the one who rescinded Trump sanctions on the International Criminal

01:04:59.760 Court, then he's whining about how Russia invaded Ukraine.

01:05:02.420 Russia only invades Ukraine, according to Zelensky, because Joe Biden weakens America's stance

01:05:06.880 on Russia.

01:05:07.660 Because he said if it's only a minor invasion.

01:05:09.620 Yeah, it's only a minor invasion.

01:05:11.320 He literally did the just the tip routine.

01:05:13.200 He's like, if it's just the tip, it's probably fine.

01:05:15.040 This is after staging the room in Afghanistan.

01:05:18.220 Yeah, that's right.

01:05:20.020 It should be it should it should about the strategic oil reserve thing.

01:05:23.760 And that should be an impeachable offense in a lot of ways.

01:05:25.660 So you're you're stealing from the strategic oil reserve to start your election during

01:05:30.780 the election.

01:05:31.620 Like, I know it's not impeachable, but it's he's explicitly trying to buy votes now, like

01:05:35.560 explicitly trying to buy votes.

01:05:37.300 He's going to young people.

01:05:38.200 He's like just shoveling cash at them.

01:05:39.740 He's like, here's here's a student loan bailout.

01:05:41.340 You want some money?

01:05:41.920 I'll give you some money, man.

01:05:43.020 Here's some money.

01:05:43.980 And he's like, you know what?

01:05:44.880 The oil prices are too high.

01:05:45.800 What if I just take some money?

01:05:46.640 I just throw the money at you.

01:05:48.040 And he's doing this over and over.

01:05:49.400 I mean, it's so clear at this point that he's just handing out goodies to constituent groups.

01:05:53.140 I will.

01:05:53.480 And it's not going to work.

01:05:54.520 I think he's going to lose.

01:05:55.440 Let me say this.

01:05:57.680 I am hopeful that he will lose.

01:06:00.160 After 2016, I'll never say again.

01:06:02.220 I've been going to have re-election since like 2008, by the way.

01:06:04.560 But I think that I think he could could truly lose.

01:06:09.120 I the thing that concerns me, I'm deeply concerned about this early debate.

01:06:13.080 I think that the early debate is a mistake.

01:06:15.140 On Trump's right?

01:06:16.120 Mm hmm.

01:06:16.420 OK.

01:06:17.260 And I and I think that we will go.

01:06:19.980 We meaning conservatives broadly.

01:06:21.360 And and I fear Trump himself will go into the debate with the exact wrong set of expectations.

01:06:27.900 Every time there's a state of the union with Joe Biden, we're like, oh, I can't wait to watch this train wreck.

01:06:32.840 He's probably going to poop himself and fall off the stage.

01:06:35.180 And he doesn't.

01:06:36.380 He's good.

01:06:37.400 He mixes it up with the Republicans.

01:06:39.320 He's good.

01:06:40.340 Yeah.

01:06:40.540 He was energetic.

01:06:41.920 He's energetic.

01:06:42.520 He's feisty.

01:06:45.200 He was good in the debates last time.

01:06:46.640 And Trump was not good.

01:06:48.400 And we keep going.

01:06:48.880 The first one, he was not good.

01:06:49.500 He was already.

01:06:49.880 And we keep going in with these like low expectations, like they won't give this guy a shot of adrenaline in the arm and he won't be able to perform.

01:06:56.020 And when you go in with those expectations, you lose every single time.

01:06:59.280 If you think there's no way Joe Biden can stand up to Donald Trump in a debate.

01:07:03.420 First of all, he did and became president probably in large part because of it last time.

01:07:08.500 And he will again.

01:07:10.000 Donald Trump has to go in here and fight for his life and win.

01:07:13.040 But here's what he really needs.

01:07:13.820 OK, so here's my suggested strategy for the Trump debate.

01:07:16.740 OK, so number one, he should go in and he should just be calm.

01:07:20.340 If he's calm, he's going to win.

01:07:22.260 If he gets agitated, Biden is going to win because Biden, as you say, he's going to go in the back room.

01:07:25.820 He's going to find a youth and he's going to suck the blood from the youth.

01:07:28.780 He's going to reinvigorate himself.

01:07:31.220 He's not just going to smell the youth this time.

01:07:32.840 This time it's the fangs.

01:07:34.000 He's going to go full four.

01:07:34.820 But the other thing is that I really believe that Donald Trump should push very hard to have RFK Jr. on that stage.

01:07:42.060 I think he should really push to have RFK Jr. on that stage.

01:07:44.320 And I'll tell you why.

01:07:44.940 I think this is right.

01:07:45.700 Because RFK Jr. right now is drawing somewhere around 10 percent of the vote.

01:07:49.080 He seems to be drawing a little bit more from Biden than from Trump.

01:07:52.280 And I think that's only going to grow because it turns out there are many never Bidens,

01:07:56.140 more never Bidens than there are never Trumps at this point in time.

01:07:58.480 If you're voting for Trump, it's because you actually want to vote for Trump.

01:08:01.220 Like who's voting for Trump because they just they hate Joe Biden so much that they're voting for Trump.

01:08:05.180 That's really not Trump's base.

01:08:06.780 Trump's base is mostly people who really, really like him.

01:08:09.600 His base is like 43, 44 percent.

01:08:11.640 Joe Biden's base is right now like 36, 37 percent.

01:08:14.220 It sucks.

01:08:15.000 And not only that, RFK Jr., he thinks that he is running for right wing votes,

01:08:20.200 which means that in a debate he's going to turn.

01:08:21.740 He's going to smack Trump when he turns and he smacks Trump.

01:08:24.300 Who does that attract?

01:08:25.400 Not the Trump voters.

01:08:26.420 It attracts the Biden voters.

01:08:27.440 The Biden voters like that RFK Jr.

01:08:29.160 is going after Donald Trump.

01:08:30.400 Then RFK Jr.

01:08:31.540 will turn and he will clock Joe Biden on being a bad president.

01:08:34.880 And he will continue to believe Biden's voters.

01:08:38.320 Plus, it's risky.

01:08:39.500 Plus, he fills time.

01:08:40.860 Plus, he fills time.

01:08:41.520 And I think the more time I think Donald Trump in debate is pepper.

01:08:44.040 He's not salt.

01:08:44.720 He's great in primary debates because he has about six minutes combined to talk.

01:08:47.860 And it's all little jabs.

01:08:49.080 And if you give him 40 minutes on a stage to debate,

01:08:52.040 I've never seen him be good in a debate that's 40 minutes.

01:08:53.960 I don't agree with this.

01:08:55.480 I think Trump jumped on this because he smelled blood.

01:08:57.860 And I think he's right to smell blood, even though.

01:09:00.140 I don't actually think Trump is going to underestimate Biden.

01:09:02.980 I think he's, you know, he's going to make, he's foolishly saying he's not going to be any good.

01:09:08.200 But I think he knows that he has to do something here.

01:09:10.720 And there's something else about this.

01:09:12.160 And this is an insight I've actually stolen from my son.

01:09:14.540 I'd let him say it, but he's in Edinburgh drinking McAllen.

01:09:18.260 On his mattress, right?

01:09:19.300 On his twin helix mattress.

01:09:20.660 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:21.280 Exactly.

01:09:22.100 On Noles' mattress.

01:09:23.340 Spencer only drinks those Petey with his.

01:09:25.060 He does.

01:09:25.460 He likes the dirt.

01:09:26.500 He likes, he could eat coal as far as I'm concerned.

01:09:29.280 However, he pointed out that Trump has a new coalition.

01:09:32.380 That his, this is not just the minorities, but he also has a coalition of people who are

01:09:36.960 saying like, I don't like him, but I'm voting for him.

01:09:39.200 The first time that people said that in 2016, when we sort of said, you know, when I sort

01:09:44.200 of said, all right, I'm going to vote for him because he's better than Hillary.

01:09:45.900 We, we felt that we had to join the crowd of the people who loved him.

01:09:50.920 Now we don't even feel that way.

01:09:52.360 We feel like, I feel perfectly free.

01:09:53.860 I mean, people yell at me for it, but I feel perfectly free to say, I don't think he's

01:09:56.840 a good guy.

01:09:57.460 You know, I don't think, you know, I thought he, I thought he did a good job for three

01:10:00.460 years, a decent job for three years, but I'm, I'll vote for him twice.

01:10:04.580 I'll move from state to state.

01:10:06.180 Of course.

01:10:06.440 I mean, yeah, because, because it's just so obvious.

01:10:09.120 And I think if he can go on and basically make that case, make the cases like Joe, you

01:10:14.060 have done a terrible job.

01:10:15.360 You did this.

01:10:15.900 You did this.

01:10:16.320 You did this.

01:10:16.800 You did this.

01:10:17.400 I think he, he just, he has to not get sucked into January 6th.

01:10:22.220 That's the big trap that Biden is going to set for him.

01:10:24.500 He's going to start off and he's going to say, he's going to say, you lost the election.

01:10:28.240 You won't accept that you lost the election.

01:10:29.400 And then you led an insurrection.

01:10:31.100 And Trump, because he's almost path, he's like Marty McFly in Back to the Future 2, right?

01:10:35.360 It's like, you chicken, you chicken McFly.

01:10:38.080 And then he's like, the Petzfeld Lynn, the Dolly Zoom.

01:10:43.040 Exactly.

01:10:43.660 If he can avoid that, if he can just say, listen, Joe, you and I disagree about who won the 2020

01:10:48.920 election, but there's one thing that everyone agrees about, and it's that you're a president.

01:10:52.200 I mean, if he says that, he'll win.

01:10:54.420 And I agree that I think that this will be a disaster for Biden.

01:10:59.220 And it's different than 2020, for the most obvious reason that Biden now is fully senile.

01:11:05.440 He's actually senile.

01:11:06.560 And he only has two gears now.

01:11:08.780 And one gear is confused, doddering and confused and incoherent.

01:11:13.360 The other gear, and this is what we saw in the State of the Union, is angry and shouting.

01:11:16.820 And the only way that he's able to be coherent for a long stretch of time is to be angry and

01:11:21.440 shouting the entire time.

01:11:22.460 He just did it at a commencement speech with Morehouse, where he just, it didn't make any

01:11:25.840 sense tonally.

01:11:26.800 Like, he's angry and shouting at a commencement speech, because that's the only way that they

01:11:30.380 can get this guy to make sense for a long period of time.

01:11:32.620 So he's going to come into this debate, and he's going to be in angry shouting mode.

01:11:37.220 And if Trump can just be not only calm, but also sort of just his whimsical sort of self

01:11:42.500 with this angry shouting old man, I think the contrast will be really favorable to Trump.

01:11:47.800 Except that if Trump makes the election a referendum on Trump, he will lose.

01:11:52.600 If Trump makes the election a referendum on January 6th, or on 2020, broadly speaking,

01:11:57.480 he will lose.

01:11:58.280 And if Donald Trump makes the election a referendum on Joe Biden, he will be the 47th president.

01:12:05.500 The problem is, I've never seen Trump not make himself the center of whatever conversation

01:12:10.160 he walks into.

01:12:11.380 But I think, you know, I don't know.

01:12:13.840 I'm kind of optimistic about this debate.

01:12:15.840 I'm not even sure it's going to happen, to be honest.

01:12:17.680 But like, I think if it happens, I think the minute Biden said it, you could tell he did

01:12:22.020 it because he's running scared.

01:12:23.160 I mean, he would have no reason for him to do it.

01:12:24.880 And the way Trump jumped on it, I just thought, like, he smells blood.

01:12:29.120 And he is, you know, people keep saying he's not a politician, but he kind of is a politician.

01:12:34.060 You mean he was the president of the United States for four years?

01:12:36.340 Well, not only that.

01:12:36.940 Run three times to be president.

01:12:38.420 He's a natural politician.

01:12:39.820 Yeah, he is.

01:12:40.400 Is there a world where a bad performance leads to a move to ouster Biden from the ticket

01:12:45.180 at his convention?

01:12:45.900 He's almost impossible.

01:12:46.820 No way.

01:12:47.400 No way.

01:12:47.960 Is it impossible?

01:12:48.740 Yeah.

01:12:49.380 Well, because if you oust him, who are they going to put in place?

01:12:52.740 There's no one they can put in place.

01:12:53.960 That is...

01:12:54.340 There's one person.

01:12:55.020 Well, it's Michelle.

01:12:55.920 Michelle's the only person.

01:12:56.960 Michelle...

01:12:57.080 She's not going to do it.

01:12:57.520 They're not going to do it.

01:12:58.580 I just don't think they're going to do it.

01:13:00.060 I think they're going to ride this horse past its death.

01:13:02.920 I mean, if they...

01:13:03.720 I would say they're going to ride this horse until it dies.

01:13:05.160 I don't know what chapter you think.

01:13:06.240 Way past that.

01:13:07.420 Ride this horse until the corpse is a skeleton.

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01:14:43.800 I call up Adam's team, and they're like, yeah, 15 crinks.

01:14:48.220 And I was like, well, it's 23 minutes.

01:14:50.140 You've known Ben since he was a kid.

01:14:51.680 Don't make me say 17.

01:14:52.840 So I was thinking, look at how far we've come.

01:14:57.680 The first time I met Adam, he charged me $15,000 for the privilege.

01:15:01.920 And here we are a decade later, and he charged me $9 million to get to go to one party with

01:15:10.280 him.

01:15:11.240 It's a fun show, though.

01:15:12.400 It's worth watching.

01:15:13.100 Our Daily Wire subscribers make it possible.

01:15:14.620 So thank you to you.

01:15:15.860 And here is our first question.

01:15:17.740 Is it worth debating falsehoods about Trump, the drink-bleached falsehood, the fine people

01:15:23.960 falsehood, et cetera, with people who constantly complain about Trump and refuse to change their

01:15:28.800 minds no matter how many times you disprove their statements?

01:15:31.820 I think that question answers itself.

01:15:33.340 It does.

01:15:33.980 I will say the one thing that I've done.

01:15:35.800 So obviously, if you hadn't noticed, Jewish.

01:15:38.880 And that means there are a lot of people I know who are libs, because not in the Orthodox

01:15:44.120 community, but everybody else who's not in the Orthodox community is like 150% pro-Trump.

01:15:48.300 And then you have all the lib Jews.

01:15:50.280 The Jew-ish.

01:15:51.420 Right.

01:15:51.680 It's not very religious.

01:15:52.900 But there are some who are really, really mad at Biden, because they're looking at how

01:15:58.000 Biden, I mean, it's long past time, obviously.

01:16:00.320 But because of what Biden has done on Israel, they are livid.

01:16:04.020 And I talked to some of them, and they're like, yeah, but I just can't vote for Trump.

01:16:06.940 I can't vote, because they're still libs.

01:16:08.680 I can't vote for Trump.

01:16:10.080 And what I've said to them is, okay, so either stay home or vote for RFK Jr.

01:16:14.500 If you're not going to vote for Trump, do not give your vote to Joe Biden, because the

01:16:18.620 minute that you give your vote to a person with whom you heartily disagree, your vote

01:16:23.280 means nothing.

01:16:23.940 It means nothing.

01:16:24.540 It's not malleable anymore.

01:16:25.520 If they know they can just check you up in that comment.

01:16:26.880 I agree with this with someone with whom you, I would say, I'll give my vote to someone

01:16:31.620 with whom I heartily disagree.

01:16:33.120 I heartily disagree with Donald Trump quite often.

01:16:35.880 I would not give my vote to someone with whom I fundamentally disagree.

01:16:38.260 Right, and that's fair.

01:16:39.180 And so, I mean, these are people.

01:16:40.580 Also, when you're discussing, I, too, know many liberals for my sins.

01:16:44.220 And one of the things that I've decided is I never discuss personalities with them.

01:16:48.180 Because I'll say, the minute the conversation starts, I'll say, look, you're going to tell

01:16:52.080 me how much you hate Trump.

01:16:52.940 I'm going to tell you how much I hate Biden.

01:16:54.860 They're politicians.

01:16:55.620 There are many, many hateful things about them.

01:16:57.180 Let's talk about the principles.

01:16:58.180 And then, if I can convince them on the principles, then I'll say to them, then just don't vote.

01:17:02.980 If you can't vote for Trump, just don't vote.

01:17:04.200 I think you could also, on the questioner's point of, do you fact check, you know, all

01:17:10.320 the fake propaganda?

01:17:12.100 I think if you just calmly, you don't need to go tit for tat, because there will be 10

01:17:16.020 more lies for every one you correct.

01:17:17.520 But if you just sort of calmly say, yeah, none of that's true, just none of it's true.

01:17:23.080 And I'm happy to disprove any number of them that you want.

01:17:26.840 But at a certain point, I just, you have to recognize the sources of your information

01:17:32.140 are not credible.

01:17:33.520 I know that you believe that they're true, but it's the bubble in which you operate.

01:17:36.720 People will not believe that.

01:17:38.140 They will not believe that.

01:17:38.980 I mean, even after this NPR thing came out, I would say to people that I've been telling

01:17:42.640 people that NPR is poison for years.

01:17:45.260 And when it came out that the woman who runs NPR is essentially a CIA operator, I said,

01:17:51.680 now do you believe me?

01:17:52.700 No, come on.

01:17:54.040 They just will not believe it.

01:17:55.740 Those lies are just absolutely permeate the atmosphere.

01:17:58.980 Wait, you're saying that government-funded propaganda isn't wholly accurate?

01:18:04.740 But anti-American propaganda, that's the crazy part we're living in.

01:18:07.760 That's one of the big mistakes our deep state makes.

01:18:10.300 They're very anti-American.

01:18:11.900 If only we had a good deep state.

01:18:13.060 If the courts allowed Donald Trump to be kicked off the ballot in the swing states, do you

01:18:17.680 think that would justify a civil war?

01:18:20.120 I think justify is the wrong question.

01:18:22.080 I mean, you can make an argument.

01:18:23.040 Look, I mean, our founders thought that a tax on Snapple or whatever tea they were drinking

01:18:28.100 justified a revolt.

01:18:30.660 I mean, you can make an argument that like the income tax justifies a revolt of some kind.

01:18:36.400 And how.

01:18:36.620 But, however, you have to ask questions like, does it have any chance of succeeding?

01:18:42.940 Does it have any chance of creating a better situation than what we have right now?

01:18:46.380 Do you want to shoot your cousins?

01:18:47.960 Exactly.

01:18:48.680 You have to start asking all those kinds of questions.

01:18:51.160 And I think that, you know, so then the answer is obviously no in that case.

01:18:55.760 I don't know.

01:18:56.520 If they prevent us from being able to function as a country, which removing the front runner

01:19:04.500 from one of the parties from being on the ballot unconstitutionally, you are getting,

01:19:09.540 if not fully there, very close to the point where the political system can no longer give

01:19:15.880 you a win.

01:19:16.660 But it's such a hypothetical.

01:19:19.300 Like, it's just that's not what's going to happen.

01:19:21.160 What's going to happen is what's happened.

01:19:22.400 And the court's going to get involved and the court's going to say, yeah, that's not

01:19:25.420 how that's not how it works in this country.

01:19:27.600 You can't pull that those shenanigans.

01:19:29.180 By the way, it's I think that that's it's such an important point because as seriously

01:19:33.520 as as we take the, you know, throwing Trump off the ballot thing is about they take the

01:19:39.720 January 6th thing way more seriously.

01:19:41.480 Neither of those were destined to succeed or be in any serious way a threat to the working

01:19:46.120 order of our.

01:19:46.920 That's right.

01:19:47.500 And I'm so sick of this crap about how this is going to be the last election.

01:19:51.160 There'll be no more election.

01:19:52.520 Not a single person in the United States believes that no one believes it.

01:19:56.440 When politicians say it, they don't believe it.

01:19:58.420 When hosts say it, they don't.

01:19:59.600 This is not going to be the last.

01:20:00.680 I promise you, it's not going to be the last election.

01:20:02.660 I don't bet 100 percent on very many things.

01:20:04.900 I will bet 100 percent that four years from now, we will be in the middle of another presidential

01:20:08.760 election cycle.

01:20:10.020 I'd be willing to bet everything that I own and all of my children's future ownings on that

01:20:13.920 proposition.

01:20:14.640 And anybody who says different, I got to tell you, like, I don't believe you.

01:20:17.320 And if you really believe that, then I think that, you know, if you lose the election,

01:20:20.940 then right now, if you believe that Joe Biden is such a threat, for example, on the right

01:20:24.660 to democracy, that it's literally the end of the country, the end of the country, if

01:20:27.620 he gets elected, then you're then you have a duty to do something about it.

01:20:32.480 That's right.

01:20:32.700 And you don't because it's not true.

01:20:34.400 This is why the first guy who believes evil things and is going to do evil things.

01:20:37.440 And we have a system that prevents the most.

01:20:38.880 This is why the first conversation of the night was important, because if you believe that

01:20:43.760 we can gain no more goodness out of our political system, then you have a duty to revolution.

01:20:49.820 When the founders did what they did, yes, it was over a one cent tax on Snapple.

01:20:57.440 But it wasn't really over the one cent tax on Snapple.

01:20:59.900 It was over the fact that they petitioned their government and petitioned their government and

01:21:04.040 petitioned their government.

01:21:05.580 And they were given no voice.

01:21:06.900 They were given no recourse.

01:21:08.160 There was nothing that they could do to have a say in how they were governed.

01:21:12.460 They could not affect political change in any way.

01:21:15.340 If they had been able to affect political change, if if George III and parliament had

01:21:20.820 just decided to give representation to the colonies in parliament, there would have been

01:21:27.740 no moral justification for the American revolution.

01:21:31.900 But they wouldn't.

01:21:33.220 And so there was.

01:21:33.880 But they also but to go back to my point that the other thing they had going is that they

01:21:39.360 could win.

01:21:39.880 Now, it's quite amazing that they won, but they could they could win, given the situation

01:21:44.480 they're in at the time.

01:21:47.440 But, you know, the question that we have is that even if the government does something like

01:21:52.720 they kick Trump off the ballot.

01:21:54.380 Now, that's we agree that's full on tyranny.

01:21:59.700 Can some sort of movement like that actually have any hope of succeeding?

01:22:04.020 Only if it's organized by the states.

01:22:06.880 Yeah, it would have to grow up organically.

01:22:09.000 It would have to be organized by the states.

01:22:10.980 There's no like we the people like your militia down in, you know, Plainview, Texas or something

01:22:18.220 is going to overthrow the federal government.

01:22:19.540 Of course, that's not going to happen.

01:22:21.000 Your militia up in Michigan with.

01:22:23.920 Of course, that's not going to happen.

01:22:25.080 And a move like that, if it were to have any chance of succeeding, would have to be a collection

01:22:31.620 of the states doing it.

01:22:32.720 And listen, you're talking again, you were talking about shooting your cousins.

01:22:35.380 I get a little frustrated when people act as though they look forward to the idea of

01:22:39.300 revolution.

01:22:40.520 Revolution.

01:22:40.840 You haven't met my cousins.

01:22:41.800 Depends on the cousin.

01:22:44.380 Revolution is not the moment that we are in.

01:22:46.500 And it is not a moment that we should hope to find ourselves in.

01:22:48.680 We are in a moment where we are losing political battles at a rate that we need, that demands

01:22:54.120 a change in tactics.

01:22:55.780 At the same time, we're winning political battles all the time that still mattered.

01:22:59.360 Donald Trump was president three and a half years ago.

01:23:02.400 Roe versus Wade was overturned, which is something I frankly never thought was going to happen.

01:23:05.320 That's exactly right.

01:23:06.440 And so I'm sorry to disabuse everyone of their fantasy that they're, you know, that at 65 years

01:23:13.180 old, you with your semi-automatic AR-15, as long as you don't have to run more than

01:23:17.500 four steps uphill, are somehow going to overthrow the United States military that's not real

01:23:22.480 and you shouldn't want it to be real.

01:23:24.020 I'm hoping to be sent to France to flirt with the girls.

01:23:26.280 That's why I have Ben Franklin.

01:23:27.480 The good news, though, too, is the fact that Biden's freaking out over everything and, you

01:23:31.620 know, spilling oil from the Northeast and agreeing to the debates and everything, the

01:23:36.640 one thing it shows you, it's not that Trump is going to win.

01:23:38.600 It's not that it's not rigged.

01:23:40.380 At least it's not totally rigged.

01:23:42.160 That's right.

01:23:42.580 At least Biden thinks he could lose.

01:23:44.460 Yes.

01:23:44.760 Which is good.

01:23:45.460 No, I'm telling you, they are vulnerable.

01:23:47.500 Or they would not be behaving like, they wouldn't have reacted to Harrison Butker if they realized

01:23:51.460 that women are waking up.

01:23:52.480 Look what it took for Biden to win the first time.

01:23:55.200 And they will not succeed at shutting down the country again going into this election.

01:24:00.640 They can.

01:24:01.360 If they would.

01:24:02.080 Calling the pandemic.

01:24:02.820 If they could, they would.

01:24:03.560 If they could, they would.

01:24:04.660 What are the chances that the debate gets canceled because of Trump's insistence on a drug test?

01:24:08.920 I think there's a high chance it'll get canceled, but I don't know if that'll be.

01:24:11.040 It won't be because of that.

01:24:11.860 I think it's funny to demand a drug test, but if you think that Joe Biden couldn't pass a

01:24:16.820 drug test, the way drug tests work.

01:24:18.420 Yes.

01:24:18.700 Yeah.

01:24:18.940 Yeah.

01:24:19.220 Yeah.

01:24:19.340 Like, give me the guy a shot of adrenaline two minutes before he takes the stage.

01:24:23.000 Yeah.

01:24:23.260 Your drug test.

01:24:24.160 They couldn't get Jose Canseco in the night.

01:24:26.580 Is he continent enough to pee in a jar on TV?

01:24:30.260 Oh.

01:24:31.140 Run him.

01:24:32.060 Yeah.

01:24:32.200 If we lose this election, whose fault will it be in the night?

01:24:36.300 Knowles.

01:24:37.100 In the night.

01:24:38.240 I was going to say, it's the fault of whoever you already didn't like.

01:24:42.280 Yes.

01:24:42.680 I like that.

01:24:43.280 Yes.

01:24:43.540 Here's what I know for a fact.

01:24:45.280 Knowles.

01:24:47.560 It will be my fault.

01:24:49.180 And I base this on the fact that no matter what happens in politics.

01:24:53.940 It's your fault.

01:24:54.800 I get blamed.

01:24:56.020 You should have pushed harder for Ron DeSantis.

01:25:00.100 What are you talking about?

01:25:00.860 I literally voted for Ron DeSantis in the primary after he backed out, after he dropped

01:25:06.000 out.

01:25:06.740 That's how much I wanted Ron DeSantis to be the nominee.

01:25:09.480 And then if I say that, people are like, you don't sufficiently support Donald Trump.

01:25:14.160 And I'm just like, guys, I am a mere shampoo self on the internet.

01:25:20.200 If you think that the Daily Wire being a little nicer to your preferred candidate would

01:25:26.440 change the fact that the base, the voters wanted Donald Trump.

01:25:29.800 I did not want Donald Trump to be our nominee.

01:25:32.020 I wrote an essay that said, I don't think Donald Trump.

01:25:35.220 I think Donald Trump should be disqualified on the basis of his behavior in 2020.

01:25:39.980 And by the way, some of your hosts have been very pro-Trump for many years.

01:25:42.860 And some have been very pro-Trump for many years.

01:25:45.540 We have a political process in this country.

01:25:47.620 And also, we're a media company.

01:25:50.660 It's not my job to get Ron DeSantis to be the nominee.

01:25:53.860 That's not my job.

01:25:54.800 That's Ron DeSantis' job.

01:25:55.760 And you're missing an important point.

01:25:56.960 It's the Jews.

01:25:57.760 I mean...

01:25:58.160 I'm right here.

01:26:01.520 Oh, he's sitting there.

01:26:02.220 The Jews.

01:26:02.700 The one.

01:26:03.120 If you want to recast that question as, what can Donald Trump do to win?

01:26:06.440 That's not on Donald Trump, right?

01:26:07.800 And then, like, I think everybody understands that if he loses, then he bears a large percentage

01:26:12.920 of the responsibility for losing.

01:26:14.160 I don't think people understand.

01:26:15.120 No, I really...

01:26:15.940 No, I don't.

01:26:16.380 I think they're looking for other reasons.

01:26:17.700 But if there's one thing that he can do to win that is not just personality-driven, liberate

01:26:23.760 the state parties to go get the votes.

01:26:26.800 Build state parties that are not complete crap.

01:26:29.720 The biggest problem the Republican Party has right now is not Donald Trump as a candidate.

01:26:33.000 The biggest problem the Republican Party has right now is not even the media, although

01:26:36.320 the media are, of course, a huge problem.

01:26:38.540 The biggest problem the Republican Party has is that they destroyed their state parties in

01:26:42.080 places like Arizona and Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, and you need people to go

01:26:47.280 knock on doors and collect votes.

01:26:49.080 That's what you need to do, because Democrats are doing that.

01:26:51.640 You know how I know this?

01:26:52.420 Because there's only one state in the country that did it right in 2022, and there was a

01:26:55.420 red wave in that state, and that was Florida.

01:26:56.800 Everywhere else, they blew it, and they got this little pink trickle at best.

01:27:00.640 And so if Donald Trump wants to win, every dollar that is pouring into the RNC, every single

01:27:04.700 dollar should be a get-out-the-vote dollar in the swing states.

01:27:07.200 In the swing states.

01:27:07.960 Donald Trump could lose and it not be his fault.

01:27:10.460 It is more likely, if he loses, that it will actually be his fault, because of his lack

01:27:15.500 of discipline and his inability to frame the conversation.

01:27:16.760 It's so funny that this is a controversial statement, because no one ever doubted this

01:27:19.300 for one second about John McCain, about Mitt Romney.

01:27:21.780 If George Floyd Bush had lost in 2004, people would have been like, ah, can't believe that

01:27:25.360 guy won.

01:27:25.560 Part of it, though, is the extraordinary measures taken against Trump in 2020 and 2024.

01:27:29.580 Correct.

01:27:29.900 Agree.

01:27:30.300 So they upended a lot of the voter rules.

01:27:34.120 I do think part of the state-

01:27:35.720 The entire apparatus of the government is a raid against him.

01:27:38.200 Yes.

01:27:38.400 That could cost him the election.

01:27:39.440 Yes, it could.

01:27:40.140 Of course it could.

01:27:40.660 So one thing you do, yes, you have to have the state parties to get out the vote.

01:27:43.760 You also need a robust voter integrity effort.

01:27:46.920 This is, I remember in my early days in politics, working on campaigns-

01:27:51.020 Out of walking, out of knocking.

01:27:52.360 Yes, exactly.

01:27:53.340 Passing out palm cards.

01:27:54.780 But we would have the ballot integrity people, and we would catch people.

01:27:59.500 And we'd catch SEIU bussing in union members at a district and all that.

01:28:02.780 That always happens everywhere.

01:28:04.440 The Baltimore Board of Elections supervisor just got caught on camera this week.

01:28:08.460 And he said, yeah, there was some shady stuff that happened in that election.

01:28:11.060 We still don't have clarity.

01:28:12.280 Someone might have uploaded a thumb drive twice or whatever.

01:28:14.540 You know, so that happens all the time.

01:28:16.640 You know, to quote FDR's advice to LBJ after LBJ lost an important election to him,

01:28:22.520 FDR said, you ran fine, but you forgot to sit on the ballot box.

01:28:25.880 You forgot, in a way, it's actually, to FDR's credit, you forgot who counts the votes.

01:28:33.080 That's really what matters.

01:28:34.560 And then LBJ took an extreme lesson from that and stole the election in 1948.

01:28:40.280 Is the Democrats' election strategy delusional, or are they confident knowing it's already written?

01:28:45.620 That's a strange question.

01:28:47.320 I mean, the only thing delusional about it is that they thought Biden might be a good candidate.

01:28:52.120 But as you say, they have no one else to replace him.

01:28:53.980 No, it's delusional. It is delusional.

01:28:55.440 Because a normal candidate would, like Joe Biden is,

01:28:59.440 I've been saying he's delusional for three years on a political level.

01:29:01.920 He won in 2020 because he ran against Bernie Sanders as a moderate.

01:29:05.500 And then he ran as a dead person against Donald Trump.

01:29:08.180 And what the American people wanted was a moderate dead person.

01:29:11.140 And instead what they got was a radical dead person.

01:29:13.460 And they don't like radical dead people, as it turns out.

01:29:15.800 It turns out that all the people that Joe Biden is pandering to are the least popular people in America.

01:29:19.880 People do not like the college protesters.

01:29:21.620 People do not like the pro-Khamasniks in Dearborn, Michigan.

01:29:23.980 People do not like the trans radicals.

01:29:25.680 People are not fond of these people.

01:29:27.240 And Joe Biden keeps doubling down.

01:29:29.780 We've done this schtick so many times on the show, I won't repeat it.

01:29:32.160 2012 was the most important election.

01:29:33.580 Barack Obama changed the way Democrats think about elections

01:29:35.420 by basically cobbling together a coalition of the dispossessed

01:29:37.980 and doubling down on his base while ignoring the moderates.

01:29:40.000 And he won.

01:29:40.700 And every Democrat since then has thought they can do that.

01:29:42.960 The only reason it worked in 2020 is because every voting rule changed.

01:29:45.820 And everyone voted nine months in advance of the election.

01:29:48.180 That's right.

01:29:48.500 That's literally the only reason.

01:29:50.180 What's the delusional part?

01:29:51.460 The delusional part is that he thinks that if he keeps doubling down on his base anymore.

01:29:54.420 He thinks that if he, yes.

01:29:56.240 Yeah.

01:29:56.740 The delusion is that Joe Biden thinks he's Barack Obama.

01:29:59.840 Right.

01:30:00.100 Yes.

01:30:00.300 That's the delusion.

01:30:00.900 But the Democrats are scared out of their wits.

01:30:04.100 They're not delusional.

01:30:04.880 They understand.

01:30:05.660 But all the people around him are fully delusional.

01:30:08.340 Because if they were smart, I mean, James Carville was saying this.

01:30:10.960 If they were smart, they'd be in his, Roy Teixeira is saying this.

01:30:13.780 They'd all be in his ear saying, dude, the votes you're losing are in the middle of the spectrum.

01:30:18.480 Those votes are wide open.

01:30:20.540 They're so wide open that RFK Jr. is running at 10%.

01:30:22.840 Those votes are wide open.

01:30:24.500 What in the F are you doing?

01:30:25.860 And instead, everyone around-

01:30:26.340 That's what James Carville said?

01:30:28.240 All I heard was,

01:30:29.280 That old guy's gonna get down here, y'all.

01:30:33.400 You have to play it backwards.

01:30:35.940 What do you make of big right-wing Twitter accounts starting to blame June for everything?

01:30:42.580 They're all on my feed.

01:30:44.180 Oh, yeah.

01:30:45.240 Drew's leading them, actually.

01:30:46.260 what i like what i like is that they hate jews for making money so they hate them for being

01:30:51.920 capitalists they hate them for being socialists it's like you can't win whatever whatever the

01:30:56.020 jews do generally yeah i mean anti-semitism to give a definition anti-semitism is a conspiracy

01:31:01.120 theory about the power of the jew in society whatever you hate most in society the jew is

01:31:05.200 behind it it is why it is distinct in definition from other forms of discrimination doesn't mean

01:31:08.980 it's better doesn't mean it's worse it is distinct because it is a distinct phenomenon again not

01:31:12.940 better not more important not worse just distinct okay the reason that you see right-wing twitter

01:31:17.580 accounts that are now doing this crap is because the right wing does now have a grievance mentality

01:31:22.900 part of that grievance mentality has been justified by the institutional dominance of the left and

01:31:27.400 right-wingers who rightly feel that they have been ground under the boot heel of a culture that

01:31:30.940 dispossesses particularly white christian males all of that is true but this has resulted in a quasi

01:31:36.380 intersectional philosophy wherein white christian males are at the bottom of the intersectional

01:31:40.360 hierarchy and those who are quote-unquote most successful in the society are to blame which is

01:31:44.720 identical to left-wing intersectional philosophy the only difference is who they think goes at the

01:31:48.440 bottom of the intersectional hierarchy and who's at the top of the intersectional hierarchy and so

01:31:51.880 grievance culture comes all the way around the only thing that the intersectional leftists and the

01:31:55.660 right-wing anti-semites agree on is that at the top of the hierarchy is the jews because the jews are

01:31:59.240 disproportionately successful the thing is the intersectional hierarchy they think that the jews are white so

01:32:04.160 they're disproportionately successful and the white supremacists and the the alt-righters and the

01:32:08.240 anti-semites think that the jews hate white people and therefore they're at the top of the

01:32:11.780 intersectional hierarchy but they all seem to agree that's power that's right you're at the top of

01:32:16.180 both hierarchies that's that's the famous that's the famous joke about the jew in 1939 who walks past

01:32:21.200 the other jews sitting on the park bench reading der stermer and he says to him why are you reading

01:32:24.560 der stermer he says look how much good news there is in here we run the banks

01:32:27.180 i i have to say i i do not agree with this thing about the source of anti-semitism it is a religious

01:32:35.240 thing it is because if you go back if you go back and see pre-nazis nietzsche schopenhauer all these

01:32:41.940 guys were saying this this weird religion christianity has come in and stolen our true german values and

01:32:50.160 it's all the fault of the jew that is what they say they say christianity is against our nature the

01:32:55.700 the blood of the germans the aryan blood is running in our veins it's all the fault of the jew who sold us

01:33:00.960 christianity and that's why the thing survives as long as it does and it is worse than other uh

01:33:07.200 than other forms of bigotry because it's a bigotry against god it is bigotry you know you and and just

01:33:12.140 one one other thing i have to say is that as far as i'm concerned the jews aren't powerful enough

01:33:17.740 my biggest problem with the order the elders of zion thing is that it's a forgery i like if i don't

01:33:25.400 understand where are the jews why do they make things run better i mean you use their space laser on

01:33:30.160 on rice's helicopter that was good but you missed the other two right intentionally well we we aren't

01:33:35.160 like we don't hit every time i will say i you know i take a i take a more limited and simpler view of

01:33:42.280 of anti-semitism uh and that i would classify it like like any other bigotry racism uh of course

01:33:51.300 racism is a big one um you know if you're an anti-black racist it's because you hate black people

01:33:57.960 you think that black people are inferior in some way and if that's what you think about black people

01:34:01.660 then you're racist now you might not hate black people but have other views about black people

01:34:08.800 some stereotypical views even and some of those views might even be like insulting but it doesn't

01:34:13.800 automatically make you a racist that's true um or or the example i give is like eight you know

01:34:18.020 let's say asians you might you might not hate asians however you might subscribe to the to the uh

01:34:24.000 stereotypical the stereotype that asians are bad drivers now are they actually bad drivers i don't

01:34:28.980 know they're probably not any worse than anybody else but if you believe that you just happen to

01:34:33.140 believe it doesn't mean that you're that you're you know racist or you know ethnocentric against

01:34:37.560 against asians and so i would say that anti-semitism is a hatred of jews okay the reason i'm gonna make

01:34:44.940 a distinction here no one ever says i hate blacks because they're too powerful that's generally not a

01:34:50.760 thing for for literally hundreds of years blacks were hated when they were slaves and not powerful

01:34:55.300 when it comes they're viewed as less right when it comes to jews the reason that that anti-semitism

01:34:59.820 has so often resulted in anti-jewish pogroms and violence and this is going back centuries i mean

01:35:04.060 there's nothing new the reason is because when you perceive a group as unjustifiably powerful

01:35:08.240 typically that means that you're going to drag them in the streets and kill them and so when

01:35:12.280 the russians they weren't powerful in russia when the cossacks came into their little village no no

01:35:16.220 wrong so this so if you go back to the history of the lithuanian polish commonwealth

01:35:20.080 second call back second call back then the claim of the cossacks was that the polish lithuanian

01:35:25.840 commonwealth was dominated at the top levels by merchant jews this was pushed by this was this

01:35:30.920 was pushed by by the cossack leaders is legitimately in their rhetoric so so again that that's true by

01:35:35.720 the way that goes all the way back to the bible i mean if you go if you want to go all the way back

01:35:38.780 pharaoh says it he says there are these jews and there are foreign people and they're going to become

01:35:42.020 powerful and they're going to rise up against us right that's his justification hayman's

01:35:45.560 justification in the book of esther is there's a people and they dwell among you and they're not

01:35:49.280 going to listen to your laws and they're going to rebel against you right every aspect of

01:35:53.280 anti-semitism is typically geared against the quote-unquote nefarious power of the jews which

01:35:57.460 of course is what hitler is talking about which is why hitlerian anti-semitism crosses streams with

01:36:01.280 these other forms of anti-semitism historically speaking muslim anti-semitism is much the same

01:36:05.060 thing as these perfidious jews who have somehow gained power over muslim holy sites and are using their

01:36:10.360 world powers in order to manipulate the reason that that anti-semitism crops this is why anti-semitism is is so

01:36:17.120 weird in a sense is that typically speaking when when you are racist against a group it's because

01:36:23.880 you look down on that group it's actually more akin if you're going to make it some an analogy

01:36:27.680 the analogy that you'd make is more like no nothing hatred of catholics in 1850 yeah that's actually

01:36:32.500 the better analogy with loyalty it's the whole same thing right matt frat has actually made this

01:36:37.080 point like this is this is this is a good it's i think it's a good analog if you substitute catholics

01:36:42.320 for jews then you'll understand this form of discrimination better because this actual

01:36:47.080 argument was made about catholics throughout the 19th century in an attempt to limit catholic

01:36:50.660 immigration suggesting that catholics were nefarious tools of the pope who are coming in taking over

01:36:55.420 the financial industry dominant in wide and varied industries in the united states and had to be

01:37:00.580 stopped because of that yeah you see check check check you see but isn't but is it yeah jeremy's on

01:37:06.580 board isn't that just a is that really different in kind from what people who are bigoted against the

01:37:12.260 group always do to the group now you're right that with jews or with catholics in this example

01:37:17.800 uh the they you know they're accused of being too powerful but what's really happening there

01:37:23.660 is that they're being blamed for whatever happens to be going wrong in society and i would argue that

01:37:27.860 um when people are bigoted against the group they tend to find a way to blame that group in some way

01:37:34.860 for the problems in society that's an argument now that's a better definition of racism than what

01:37:39.780 you were giving before i don't like the definition of racism which is just i hate people well no but

01:37:44.700 what i'm saying is that is that if you're racist legitimately racist against someone this is what

01:37:50.860 tends to happen next it's what it's what happens after the racism because you hate them now you want

01:37:54.960 to blame them for stuff but that's i'm not the blaming the blaming for stuff is not what the race

01:38:00.020 again though again this is the group again this is a again this is it therefore you hate the group

01:38:04.520 well no i'm talking about the group i am talking about the chicken and the egg thing because i don't

01:38:08.400 think that racism starts with i hate them in my heart and then i blame them for everything i think it

01:38:13.860 can start with blaming them for everything and then become hatred in your heart that's true that thing

01:38:17.960 that that cycle goes both directions and even even the whites who are holding black slaves in the

01:38:23.080 south feared their power it was they were going to cut your throat at night that was that they all

01:38:27.200 that appears in all of their letters they're going to there isn't that but isn't that that's more to

01:38:31.180 my that's more to my no and on your point matt look all stereotypes are true that's why they're

01:38:35.940 stereotypes you know that's how they became stereotypes there's an element of truth yeah and

01:38:39.980 so it obviously doesn't apply to individuals necessarily but but so that's that's part of it

01:38:44.240 another part of it is what drew says which is if you look into like esoteric nazism there is there

01:38:50.140 is a deeply anti-christian aspect in as much as it becomes pagan and well they said the head of the

01:38:55.640 head of the church uh advisory to hitler said this idea that christ is part of christianity makes me

01:39:01.900 laugh the furor is christianity yeah yeah positive christianity is there like kind of a cult version

01:39:06.400 of it so there's that aspect certainly but also then it comes down to me at this basic level of

01:39:12.680 different groups are different right and sometimes they have the same interests sometimes they have

01:39:17.500 different interests and when you're living together different groups find reasons to get frustrated

01:39:22.400 with each other so it's no surprise that groups with different religions find reasons to get a

01:39:27.560 little hostile to each other when when it comes to the modern again it's in niche segments of the right

01:39:34.120 but this this obsession with the state of israel i think what's the big problem with the state of

01:39:38.320 israel let's throw out as i do the theological claims for the state of israel because obviously

01:39:44.400 it's not my religion let's throw out even historical claims let's just get down to brass tax

01:39:50.100 the the right of conquest as we used to call it before 1947

01:39:54.000 the israelis went to a land that historically had been theirs and they went back to it

01:40:01.440 and they were granted this land by international bodies and then they fought a war and now it's

01:40:05.740 their land how does that how is that different from america going in and taking america but i would

01:40:11.040 go beyond that too though and the question that nobody seems to ask is which do you want the

01:40:16.000 world to look like the state of israel or everybody else yeah i guess this is my you can always get

01:40:19.880 into an argument because if the right of conquest is all that matters then why why not conquer it

01:40:24.360 it's not all that matters but i guess my point on this is the the very height of our civilization

01:40:29.200 was a period where we in christendom went to the holy land to take it away from muslims

01:40:36.300 so the notion that we're now saying that the muslims you're arguing is is correct in the sense that

01:40:40.680 when you talk i've said this before when i talk about israel it's the only country in the world

01:40:45.040 where i'm asked to explain the legitimacy of its existence right it never happens with literally

01:40:48.480 any place else nobody ever is like why is france deserve to be france what is france-ness

01:40:52.360 ukraine now right right you know i mean the united states gets the same challenge yeah i mean i would

01:40:58.060 on stolen land at a at a far lesser level even the people who argue that the united states is on

01:41:03.600 stolen land don't really yeah there are like there's not u.n there's not u.n charter or u.n

01:41:09.640 resolution after u.n resolution and also they're also that group of people who are

01:41:13.160 who are acknowledging stolen land they aren't immediately calling for the entire country to

01:41:17.560 be turned over to the tribe of the sioux in a real way yeah it's a bunch of bullshit they say

01:41:22.240 in order to please their left-wing friends and pretend that they give a shit which they don't

01:41:25.640 so this is so but when it comes to the state of israel suddenly you're forced to make these

01:41:29.360 arguments about like well is it based on history or is it based on religion is it based on that so

01:41:32.880 see your argument i agree if you win you exist end of story then then the only question becomes

01:41:39.580 does the world look better or worse if it looks like this thing or that thing and that's drew's

01:41:43.440 question and that's really the only question that we tend to ask generally in foreign policy

01:41:47.160 especially especially for us who aren't israel right as an american when i look at say ukraine

01:41:52.560 and russia i'm looking at america's interest now i can decide that differently than other people

01:41:56.480 but do i want do do i want ukraine to look more like ukraine or do i want to look more like russia

01:42:01.340 do i want china to look more like taiwan or do i want taiwan to look more like china right like these

01:42:05.920 are the questions that you typically ask when it comes to foreign policy when you look at israel

01:42:09.660 versus hamassistan in the gaza strip or the palestinian authority terror dominated areas

01:42:15.480 and the question is should there be a state there in a vacuum there shouldn't even be a state there

01:42:19.960 forget about israel i'm not for the establishment of any terror state anywhere i wasn't for the

01:42:24.920 establishment of isistan like this is so absurd and the claim that that somehow it's bad for the world

01:42:30.680 if israel thoroughly destroys and defeats a terror group that is currently holding five americans hostage

01:42:35.840 is so beyond reason it's so crazy to me and that doesn't mean you can't critique israel go ahead

01:42:40.980 fine critique it critique all these places critique america and france and uk do all of it the one

01:42:45.160 thing i will say is that the critiques that are brought against the state of israel are never

01:42:47.520 paralleled by any critiques anywhere else they're they're unique to the state of israel you never

01:42:51.800 see it brought on like obviously if you get me going on this topic it's incredibly annoying to me

01:42:56.600 and i and one of the things that makes it so incredibly annoying to me is that now that israel's at

01:43:01.080 the top of the news which has been since october 7th i talk about israel a lot i spent my entire

01:43:05.120 career not talking about israel literally my entire career if you go back through the first show

01:43:10.080 through show number whatever it was on october 9th the amount of time that i spent talking about

01:43:14.420 israel was i am sure less than one percent of the total runtime of my show and now you're well under

01:43:18.640 one percent and then i start talking about the thing that literally is on the front pages every

01:43:21.860 single day and critiques are brought against me personally that would not be brought against people

01:43:26.720 who are christian who say the exact same things right and there i find something peculiar

01:43:30.440 unless unless it's a catholic defending the pope right or something unless it's where you can invoke

01:43:35.160 dual loyalty there's something tragically comic about the fact that the jews are in position

01:43:39.000 as you say every country every great nation every great empire was built on conquest

01:43:45.080 somewhere along the line somebody conquered somebody so the jews are in the position of having

01:43:48.680 to do what you do at the beginning of a society but because many of the much of their leadership

01:43:52.920 is european based they actually have the mindset of people later on in society when they start to say

01:43:58.260 stupid stuff like maybe women should have power too and maybe maybe we should feel guilty about

01:44:04.120 killing our enemies you know those are things those are late stage civilizational things but they're in

01:44:08.600 a kind of first stage civilizational moment it's kind of tragic comic yeah yeah i need some advice

01:44:15.740 is it off-putting if the girl asks the guy out off-putting to the guy i suppose yeah or

01:44:25.300 towards the girl i would imagine this is a girl saying yes is it a problem if i ask a guy out yeah

01:44:29.820 that's got to be what this question is i never responded all that well to it on the it actually

01:44:34.860 happened on a few occasions good for you dude yeah thank you i'm i'm boasting a little humble brag

01:44:39.520 but it and actually i'm trying to think is it my my gut instinct says no that'd be great ladies if

01:44:45.440 i'm single ask me out but no actually when it happened i i did not like it there's a way to do it

01:44:51.520 there's a way to do it i mean how hot are we talking here

01:44:54.680 that's no principles you have no principles it would be a total deal killer to me if a woman

01:45:02.260 proposed marriage oh yeah for sure total deal killer yeah but if a if a gal came up to you and

01:45:08.880 said hey you know blah blah blah blah we ought to grab a drink sometime or whatever as a way of

01:45:13.000 party i'm going to you yeah breaking the ice or something you know or in some cases maybe the

01:45:17.200 girl knows that the guy's a little shy and i think that there's an appropriate there's an

01:45:21.720 appropriate version of that the problem with asking the problem with a woman proposing though

01:45:25.580 yeah yeah is now you've broken whatever those ices are early now you have to be in a position of

01:45:30.480 actually agreeing to the institution of marriage which is agreeing to a to a form of male headship

01:45:36.820 over the family yeah and so it is it is a kind of perversion if a woman could you imagine also

01:45:41.900 the also the let's be real about this a man entering into a marriage is generally making a

01:45:48.800 decision that that males are hesitant to make right yeah where women entering into a marriage

01:45:54.220 is a decision that women are generally very eager to make yeah generally like that doesn't mean true

01:45:58.640 in every certain circumstance but it that is generally the way the math works men are giving

01:46:02.200 up the field of women for this one woman and that is a very very important decision obviously and

01:46:07.400 women because they're not driven by the same impulses have found the person they wish to sire

01:46:11.160 children with so of course they want to get married so if they're saying to the man do you

01:46:14.660 want to get married to me that's a form of pressure that's not actually a form of proposal when a man

01:46:19.180 says that to a woman he's offering her a thing that she wants it's not it's how dare you generally

01:46:23.580 speaking how dare you for ben during your first book club you mentioned a dystopian sci-fi novel you

01:46:29.520 had written would soon be published did you scrap it or do you still plan to go ahead with it

01:46:33.620 that's that's for jeremy i mean so so i did i did write in fact a dystopian sci-fi novel it's been

01:46:38.480 done for like two years or something they sent it to you drew i like and yeah drew was kind enough

01:46:42.780 to pretend he liked it and uh and you know like maybe we'll do something with it or maybe we won't

01:46:47.160 it'll go along the alongside the other two complete books today ben writes books sometimes cuts uh this

01:46:52.760 question's for me so you redesigned the men's razor are you doing the same for the women's razor

01:46:56.100 indeed we are we will have a brand new women's razor hopefully in time for the holidays it's um

01:47:02.740 it's different in kind than the men's razor i think one of the problems with the original

01:47:07.080 women's razor that we released is that it was very similar uh to the men's razor and women's

01:47:12.780 shaving needs are different than men's so the the razor that we're going yeah the razor we're going

01:47:18.060 to release uh acknowledges those differences for the whole group what is the end game if all of

01:47:25.780 these nefarious characters are trying to bring down the country what do they stand to gain this country

01:47:30.020 makes them rich i can't imagine another country would offer them the same possibilities i'll offer my

01:47:35.240 thoughts and then i'll let everyone go around and answer this question i think that you start from

01:47:40.160 the assumption that politics are fundamentally rational and i don't think that they are fundamentally

01:47:46.740 rational i think that they're driven fundamentally by the spiritual and that it is the nature of man

01:47:53.420 uh uh we can argue about uh about what the pope said about man being fundamentally good or what

01:48:00.440 and he was right or what luther said about man being or calvin about man being depraved i think

01:48:05.500 they're both right uh as bishop baron as bishop baron pointed out today on x by the way uh but at the end

01:48:12.420 of the day man in his sin tries to accumulate material wealth to himself he tries to accumulate power

01:48:19.700 to himself he tries to advance his needs his wants his ego uh he tries to wheel and deal he tries to get

01:48:28.720 laid i mean you really can't imagine how much of human history has been driven just by some guy

01:48:34.020 in power trying to get laid yeah yeah i mean so much of what happens in politics does not happen

01:48:39.560 in a purely rational way people people will vote against their interests of course they will you

01:48:45.220 can't believe how much happens out of ideology which is things that people believe are true that

01:48:49.520 aren't and so they'll do something that harms them that they thought would help them

01:48:53.340 all of this is always at play in any instant in any institution that involves human beings and so

01:49:00.660 i just think you can't reduce our politics down to science it is like every other aspect of of the

01:49:07.580 human experience it's a spirit it's a projection of of underlying spiritual truths and people are

01:49:12.480 kind of a spiritual train wreck yeah i would say it's a little bit like asking what do what does

01:49:18.040 someone gain from revenge uh and it well they gain they gain revenge they get they gain it for its

01:49:24.020 own sake yeah and um and that's that's basically what's happening here you've got a lot of people

01:49:28.180 that feel that have told themselves a story uh that where they are the victims and they have all these

01:49:34.320 forces victimizing them and they seek to destroy those forces um just to destroy them because they feel

01:49:42.220 like it's the right thing to do and they have this this instinct of destruction i don't think they've

01:49:46.800 thought to your point i don't think they've thought much farther ahead than that like what happens next

01:49:52.000 what happens when you and we talk about this all the time you know they they tear down things they

01:49:56.580 they redefine things they don't really redefine they get rid of one definition replace it with nothing

01:50:01.060 and so um there is no there is no like step two it's just the step one of destruction and that's it

01:50:07.240 so i'll break it down into i think there are two distinct groups and i think that one usually leads and

01:50:12.620 then surrenders to the second so i think what you say about a certain group of people is totally true

01:50:17.740 those are the revolutionaries the revolutionaries don't care what comes next and the great lie they

01:50:21.800 say is there's going to be utopia after they tear everything down but all they really want to do is

01:50:24.720 just burn things because they hate the system in which they live and they have no idea for what

01:50:28.600 comes next but it's got to be better than this terrible thing that's victimizing me i agree with

01:50:32.260 you that's a revolutionary group then you have the elites and they're the ones who are the real

01:50:35.960 mystery right those are the people like the joe bidens of the world who have sat high on the hog for a

01:50:41.460 very long time or the idiots in hollywood or or the people on wall street who support this whole

01:50:46.100 agenda what are they doing and i think they're the answer is that they believe falsely as it turns out

01:50:51.920 that like elites do in nearly every society that ends up being transformed that they can channel the

01:50:56.900 passion of the revolutionaries into a gradualistic change in which they get to retain the levers of

01:51:02.140 power which is like the best of both worlds for them they get to retain the elite status they get to

01:51:06.180 retain the money and the power and all these things all they have to do is harness the 1.21 gigawatts

01:51:11.080 that is the college protesters and they can use that power in order to in order to forward the

01:51:16.840 mission of making the world a gradually better place and when you're in rooms with people like

01:51:20.400 this and i've been in a lot of rooms with people like this that is how they talk they talk about

01:51:23.160 not in revolutionary terms but we together can make the world a better place and there are people

01:51:27.480 who are agitating on the outside the arc of history begins toward justice right exactly and and i think

01:51:31.840 that that when when they say stuff like that what they fail to recognize is they have no systemic

01:51:36.920 immunity they have no immune system to the revolutionaries when confronted with them

01:51:40.900 which is why when you look at the college campuses in 1968 1969 or even today you're like why are these

01:51:45.980 administrators just handing over the place to the revolutionaries the answer is they agree with the

01:51:49.440 revolutionaries that it's not that they're handing it over they are the revolutionaries they just don't

01:51:53.500 have the balls or the willingness to give up what they have in terms of power in order to just join

01:51:57.520 the group and so when they're confronted with that reality their own hypocrisy they end up just

01:52:01.580 surrendering full scale to the revolutionaries i basically agree with jeremy on this i think that

01:52:06.620 the the things are the pope was utterly wrong and the reason the reason he was utterly wrong here

01:52:11.980 comes the calvinism here we go no it has nothing to do with calvinism it has nothing to do with

01:52:16.200 calvinism it's because he wasn't saying what all the slavish catholics who want to prove him right

01:52:20.320 say he was saying he was talking about people's behaviors he was not talking about the creation being

01:52:25.680 good he was saying that he said he said we were all sinners two sentences he said he said you have the

01:52:30.540 occasional sinner and afterward but before he said but he said you have the occasional sinner but the

01:52:35.380 thing is this is the problem everything ends up being a post-actual clarification it's jesuitical

01:52:39.420 this is the thing the thing that the thing that i saw in hollywood is that people who think they are

01:52:44.900 good usually have not had the offer of sex money and power and sex money and power on the table

01:52:53.200 i would say about 85 percent of people will sell every principle they have and so once you have the power

01:52:59.800 i think a lot of these people are just capturing the flow i think joe biden is a perfect example i

01:53:03.980 mean the guy's a weather vane but he thinks he's capturing the flow he does the guys who are

01:53:08.460 dangerous are guys like obama i think obama is actually in some ways has far more integrity

01:53:12.660 than joe biden because he he's a believer he believes that that we're a bad country and that

01:53:18.120 we're the problem and that's why he wanted to realign us with iran barack obama is the least

01:53:22.400 cynical yes evil president who did the most cynical thing to get reelected yeah yeah i agree you know it

01:53:28.540 pains me to say that i agree with everyone even drew spouting this calvinist nonsense but i but

01:53:33.680 especially i agree with your point jeremy that even even bringing up the pope who my my brief

01:53:39.720 defense of the pope which i'm obligated to do as a duly loyal uh is uh is it seems to me what he's

01:53:47.020 saying is man god doesn't make anything evil so god makes man and the whole creation good but man abuses

01:53:51.800 his free will and sins and sin and death pervade the world and so now we end up in this spot where

01:53:55.720 there's concupiscence and all and we're all just gonna like sell everything for sex and money and

01:53:59.900 everything but uh to know what the end game is you have to have some sense of the nature and the final

01:54:08.200 end of man yeah and so you know i have a sense of it i think we all have basically roughly the same

01:54:13.280 sense of it you know pretty close at least and uh for a lot of people though and especially for our

01:54:17.920 liberal friends they have a very different sense they deny original sin and they deny heaven and hell

01:54:22.980 so they're actually they disagree with us on both the the nature and the game from and where we're

01:54:28.000 going exactly yeah so then what's that we're all on the same page right now people are inherently good

01:54:32.420 and the kingdom of heaven can be made here on earth by my hands yep yeah the most give me the money

01:54:38.020 the most fundamental conservative belief is the belief that original sin is original sin

01:54:45.520 and that only god can redeem can redeem what's fallen like that that really is the the heart of the

01:54:52.100 whole thing and the left every ism of the left is a is an attempt to redefine what is original sin

01:54:58.140 even even libertarianism and i have a lot of libertarian lowercase l libertarian tendencies in

01:55:03.020 my theology and in my politics but libertarianism just says that original sin is coercion yeah just

01:55:10.140 like socialism says that the original sin is communism it's class and socialism it's the means of production

01:55:17.160 etc yeah like they they've all just come up with a if this hadn't happened everything would be good

01:55:21.840 yes and if we can overcome that everything will be good and the and the view of the men at this

01:55:27.740 table uh with with very important and notable theological distinctions between uh catholic protestant

01:55:34.900 and orthodox uh jewish perspectives i mean there are places where we wildly disagree but at a sort of

01:55:40.140 fundamental level we say no original sin is the thing that actually happened in the garden of eden

01:55:43.720 and the thing that man and his free will perpetuates and there is no one doing that by man there no

01:55:51.900 no thing that we accomplish as a society will change fundamentally what human beings are and that

01:55:57.960 ultimate redemption is in the hands of god and for the christian it's accessed by way of the cross of

01:56:03.560 christ uh and for the catholic it's got something to do with the cross of christ you said you said

01:56:10.480 it used to have something to do with the cross of christ but now no the thing the thing that

01:56:15.540 that protestant and catholic agree of course is that uh the the redemption of man is not in the hands

01:56:21.100 uh it's not man's problem to solve it's man's it's man's problem yeah yeah at some point we're

01:56:27.620 gonna have to do a seminar on like just the people with the religious differences on like the first

01:56:32.320 couple of chapters of genesis because it really is fascinating like the jewish take is pretty

01:56:35.340 different on some of this stuff it ends up in in much the same place well this i was i was careful to be

01:56:39.980 inclusive of you when i said that man perpetuates that sin uh through his through his free will

01:56:44.900 choices yes yes i understand that we don't we don't agree on the uh forward transmission of

01:56:50.160 original no no actually so actually i was gonna argue with the original sin part meaning that there

01:56:54.220 there's widespread sort of dissension inside orthodox jewish texts about origin whether human beings were

01:57:01.360 made good in the garden of eden and then brought sin about through the sin because or or whether human

01:57:07.520 beings were always conflicted and then they brought sin about because and they didn't bring sin about

01:57:11.940 they sinned by eating from the tree because that what that sin was was supplanting their own

01:57:16.820 conception of what the world should be for what god's conception of what the world oh that's my view

01:57:20.220 right i mean so yeah i think that what that's not no i think i think the important thing is that

01:57:25.220 when you put us all together our basic beliefs we're right i mean we are we are provably right about

01:57:31.920 the nature of mankind yes people are really people can be really really bad that's that's this notion

01:57:36.460 that people are naturally wonderful and tend toward the good yeah like in their actions that's false

01:57:42.320 like they they they they what call concupiscence call it the yates or hara in judaism call it

01:57:49.040 sinful nature of man and whatever you call it right human beings aren't take a room full of people and

01:57:54.960 they are not going to naturally do the good thing because of all of whatever you and no curing any

01:57:59.880 one particular flaw of man will lead to a utopia no system will no system i i will close with this

01:58:05.760 thought for you though which is that in my personal view of the garden it's not that man was sinful per

01:58:11.300 se uh or virtuous per se based on his actions or choices or predilections uh from the moment of

01:58:18.400 creation it's that righteousness by god was defined and declared by himself he made it he made man just

01:58:25.920 exactly how man was naked and dumb and tripping over rocks in the garden and lonely and prone to

01:58:31.300 who knows what kind of bad behaviors if it had all played out that wasn't the definition of what was

01:58:35.580 good to god god defined his creation as good based on his own declaration and the temptation of man was

01:58:41.720 the temptation to judge whether or not god was right it was to supplant god as the moral authority as the

01:58:47.780 judge and so i don't believe that man got worse when he ate it's not that i think his behavior got worse

01:58:53.000 it's that i think he the the deal that he made with the devil in some ways the devil the devil

01:58:58.740 was lying with truth he did suddenly see his nakedness he did suddenly see his failure to

01:59:04.140 measure up to god whereas before that the question of whether he measured up to god wasn't even on the

01:59:08.000 table which is why he was god made him and said he was good and that was good enough so i should read

01:59:11.440 the bible in the original hebrew the word for cleverness and the word for nakedness are the same

01:59:14.800 word it's a it's a room the same exact word in hebrew yeah at any rate we could probably fix it if we

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