The Matt Walsh Show - Daily Wire Backstage： Premiere of “What is a Woman？”

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, this is Matt Walsh, and I've never been as excited for you to listen to an episode

00:00:03.980 of Backstage as I am right now, because you're about to hear Ben Shapiro, Jeremy Boring, Michael

00:00:08.540 Knowles, Andrew Klavan, and yours truly discussing my documentary, What is a Woman? Over the last

00:00:12.860 year, I've traversed the world of the actual world and also the world of transgender ideology.

00:00:17.720 You're not going to believe what was uncovered. After this episode, make sure to visit

00:00:20.540 whatisawoman.com and watch it for yourself. Thanks for listening.

00:00:30.000 Oh, me oh my. Hello and welcome to the Daily Wire backstage and the world premiere of What

00:00:52.600 is a Woman? The greatest investment that Ben Shapiro and I have ever made. This is an unbelievable

00:00:58.540 documentary, the greatest piece of content the Daily Wire has ever released. It pains me to have

00:01:03.540 to give so much praise and attention to our very own Matt Walsh, but you are in for an enormous treat

00:01:08.360 tonight, and it is just the beginning of what promises to be, what I promise you will be, the

00:01:12.700 greatest month of premium content in the history of the Daily Wire. It all starts tonight with the

00:01:18.440 premiere of What is a Woman? coming up in just one hour's time. We're also going to this month be

00:01:22.740 premiering Terror on the Prairie, uncanceling Gina Carano, making good on our promise that we made

00:01:28.360 last February when Disney unceremonially kicked her to the curb for absolutely nothing. This is

00:01:34.320 before it became very popular and in vogue for Disney stars to make selfie videos telling the

00:01:39.280 fans that they shouldn't be toxic toward people on the basis of skin color and beliefs and that sort

00:01:44.220 of thing. And it will culminate in the release of The Greatest Lie Ever Told, George Floyd and the

00:01:49.940 rise of BLM from Candace Owens, and backstage live at the Ryman Auditorium. That's right,

00:01:54.880 us gents are going to take to the stage of the most historic venue perhaps in the country

00:01:59.620 once again on June 29th to bring you a great live show and some of the biggest announcements

00:02:05.280 that we've ever made in the history of the country, of the company. June is going to be lit as the kids.

00:02:11.920 Do the kids say? I think some of them do. They're aging out. They're aging out. Yeah, it's good.

00:02:16.280 The kids ain't as young as they used to be. I'm glad you're here. I have to tell you that when you

00:02:21.880 think about all the content that The Daily Wire is going to release in the month of June,

00:02:25.340 I'm proud. I find that June, the month of June, fills me with the most pride perhaps that I have

00:02:31.960 ever been filled with. And so you can imagine how happy I am. And you're gay. You're gay. Gay?

00:02:37.740 I'm filled with frivolity? Uh-huh. I'm both gay and proud in the month of June. And I know you are too.

00:02:44.920 And I'm glad to see that our country is celebrating my sense of happiness, joy, and pride by doing

00:02:51.660 things like waving beautiful rainbow flags over the Vatican, by putting rainbow flags on the sides

00:02:57.400 of like Abram's tanks going into battle, the military saying that what we are as individuals

00:03:03.640 is actually the source of our strength, ignoring the fact that they've been cutting the hair off of

00:03:07.740 teenage kids to make them all into mindless automatons for basically the entire history

00:03:11.900 of the nation. It's Pride Month. That's what I'm trying to tell you. And it's good to be here

00:03:16.700 with you gents, in whom I am also proud. It is very exciting. I mean, I will say that

00:03:22.360 obviously the timing of Matt's documentary, the release of it, is not a coincidence.

00:03:27.900 What? No, hold on. What?

00:03:31.420 So I've seen it. Jeremy's seen it. Have you seen it yet? I've seen it.

00:03:34.480 You've seen it? Oh, yeah. It is. It's a masterpiece. It really is. You are going to love it. And you're

00:03:40.460 going to love it because not only is it really entertaining and really, really funny, like

00:03:44.940 uproariously funny, it also happens to be extremely hard-hitting. And the points that the documentary

00:03:50.280 makes, these are points that all of your mindless friends who seem to just parrot whatever comes out

00:03:56.240 of the mouths of the mainstream media, they need to hear these points. It's a really important piece

00:03:59.980 of work. Matt, you did a phenomenal job with this piece. Why don't you talk about what it was like

00:04:04.720 to make this thing? Because this is a year-long process.

00:04:06.380 Before, though, let me just tell people right now is the time to go sign up at dailywire.com

00:04:10.980 or go to whatisawoman.com. Become a Daily Wire member right now because in 60 minutes,

00:04:17.860 you're going to want to watch the film. And the only place you can see it is at the Daily Wire

00:04:21.920 as a paid subscriber. So again, head to whatisawoman.com or dailywire.com. Get your

00:04:26.820 subscription right now. Not only will that allow you to see the film, but it allows us to make the

00:04:31.580 film. We absolutely cannot engage in this kind of content. Historically, the Daily Wire, we make,

00:04:37.740 market, monetize our content in a single day. That's great for us from a business perspective.

00:04:42.540 It allows us to be very efficient in the use of our capital and grow the company.

00:04:46.360 We're taking big risks now. We're making expensive content, content that, I mean, Matt,

00:04:50.320 you've been working on this for a year, traveled around the globe in order to do it. The only way

00:04:55.240 that happens is because of our dailywire.com members. And we need you to be one of those members if

00:05:00.740 you aren't already so that we continue on this journey. When you see this film, you will thank

00:05:06.520 us for begging you for your money because it is so powerful, so funny. And now, Matt, tell us about

00:05:13.680 the making of What is a Woman.

00:05:15.560 I was kind of enjoying listening to you guys.

00:05:19.380 Talk about being proud. I'm actually proud that, because originally we were going to release the

00:05:23.000 documentary in May. And I think this is the first film in history that the release has been

00:05:27.820 delayed for trolling purposes. So I feel great about that. And the film itself, I think the

00:05:35.540 thing that I'm proud of in the film is that it actually, yeah, it's funny. There's some trolling

00:05:41.480 elements of it. We go to the Women's March and have a great time trolling them there. And that's

00:05:44.420 pretty much all that's about. But it's actually, it's a film. It's actually a really good film,

00:05:49.220 credited a lot to our, of course, our great director, Justin Polk. And going around, you know,

00:05:55.440 on this kind of journey, I think the theory is that, going into it, is that gender ideology

00:06:03.720 basically collapses under the weight of a question, which is, what is a woman? And what I

00:06:09.480 discovered, and I kind of knew that going in, I figured that is what would happen. What we

00:06:14.240 discovered, though, is that actually gender ideology collapses under the weight of any question at all.

00:06:21.360 That's true.

00:06:21.780 Going into some of these interviews with some leading experts and medical authorities and

00:06:28.120 professors and everything else, there were kind of, I had some questions ahead of time that I was

00:06:31.960 going to ask them. And there were certain questions I had pinpointed where I thought, okay, once I ask

00:06:35.780 this, it might get a little bit tense. It's a little bit of a difficult question. But what we found is

00:06:41.040 that once you ask one real question, any kind of real question, that's actually a question where

00:06:47.720 you're expressing something out of skepticism in their worldview. The moment you do that,

00:06:52.700 everything just falls to pieces. Like, one interesting thing you'll see in the film is that

00:06:57.420 a question like, what's the difference between sex and gender? Now, in reality, there is no difference

00:07:06.160 because gender is a meaningless word. You know, it's like really talking about personality and temperament.

00:07:10.580 But they're the ones who invented this distinction. And yet, when you ask them, well, can you explain the

00:07:15.280 distinction? They can't do it. Everything starts to fall apart just based on that.

00:07:19.080 Yeah. Their own concept, and they can't even tell you.

00:07:22.420 Did you find yourself during the interviews, because I went in, I had very high expectations.

00:07:28.280 It exceeded my expectations. And I'm laughing. I mean, that first third of the movie, I am

00:07:33.480 bowled over laughing. And then I find myself in the middle of the movie, when you start really

00:07:37.760 digging into some of these questions with these people, I wanted to throw my computer across the room

00:07:44.040 because of the really evil things that they're describing doing to kids. Did you find yourself

00:07:50.280 having to kind of rein it in a little bit when you're talking to these people?

00:07:54.040 Yeah. A couple of interviews in particular, which I think will be obvious once you're watching the

00:07:57.940 film, who those interviews might be. But a couple in particular where I really had to kind of hold

00:08:02.960 myself back. I guess your instinct is you want to start yelling because you're hearing things and

00:08:06.800 you want to sort of yell at them about it. But as fun as that would be to do, that doesn't accomplish

00:08:13.060 what we wanted to do in the film. I mean, you can start yelling and then I'm making my point.

00:08:15.420 You want to expose it.

00:08:16.400 Right. I think that what we wanted to do was just simply keep asking questions. Just let them,

00:08:22.580 let gender ideology basically hang itself under the weight of the questions.

00:08:27.280 It is amazing the difference, the way the people who are living a life based in reality speak in the

00:08:33.920 movie. Like guys like Jordan Peterson. Is that Carl Truman? Is that Carl Truman? And the lady

00:08:39.760 psychiatrist, I didn't catch her name. You know, the way they just speak about facts and history

00:08:44.320 and ideas and put them all together. Whereas everybody else is always fighting back. They're

00:08:50.340 always on the defensive. It's always, you can't say this because you're not a woman or you can't

00:08:54.060 say this because you're something else. You're not identified this way.

00:08:57.460 Or how dare you ask the question? Why are you asking me that?

00:08:59.120 How dare you ask the question? And then the one that got, the one thing that made me furious

00:09:02.380 is the misuse of therapeutic language. So they say, why do you care so much? And what I thought you did,

00:09:09.080 I mean, I think the film is terrific, Matt. Actually, I don't even like you. So I think

00:09:12.640 you know what I'm telling you. But what you did really was you had answers, you know,

00:09:18.300 because they come at you with things that might throw you off. Like, you know, why do you care

00:09:22.640 so much? Which is just an insidious, stupid, sleazy question. There's one other thing you did. Yes,

00:09:28.400 you were prepared. You asked questions. The other thing that you brought to this is being a stone

00:09:32.980 cold sociopath. He's a killer. Which is what we love about you. Like, I would never trust you

00:09:40.500 with anything, at any time. If your interests are ever set against my interests, I know what

00:09:47.120 will happen. Your ability to walk into these incredibly tense, incredibly hostile, incredibly

00:09:54.240 absurd environments and absorb it with a straight face. Yes, that's amazing. Honestly, it's what makes

00:10:01.620 the film. It's what made it possible for you to get what you got. And I can say with absolute

00:10:05.280 certainty that none of the rest of us here could have done anything like it. It is, it is a super...

00:10:11.560 Because you all have human emotion.

00:10:15.020 That's the first time anyone's accused of it.

00:10:17.280 It shows you what level we're talking about.

00:10:19.880 My heart group resizes that to you.

00:10:22.060 I think there's also a little bit of a pride. I think I had to overcome some pride in some

00:10:27.900 points, especially when we made our trip to Africa. And I'm asking them questions and sort

00:10:35.200 of presenting gender ideology to them. And they assume that I'm an advocate of these ideas. And

00:10:40.960 they think that I'm completely insane. And so I kind of wanted to pull them aside and say,

00:10:45.320 by the way, I don't really believe this stuff. But you know, you figured, you don't get kind of

00:10:48.280 the authentic reaction if you set it up that way.

00:10:52.200 What you really get, I think, from the film is a sense that this entire ideology is rooted in a

00:10:59.400 hatred of the fundamental institutions of the society. Like the basic...

00:11:03.500 Fundamental facts of life.

00:11:04.600 Yes. Yes. But like truth, the differences between men and women, marriage, like the roles that

00:11:11.620 actually make life worth living. And this is the thing that... I don't know if you saw President

00:11:16.060 Biden's statement about LGBTQI+. We have to just... We have to keep a running tab on this acronym

00:11:22.420 because it's now growing beyond actually English letters. We've gone to Sanskrit and ampersands and

00:11:27.300 tildes and all sorts of fun stuff. And the flag is getting uglier and uglier, I've noticed. Like

00:11:31.520 it started off as like a nice rainbow and now you have this bizarre...

00:11:33.420 Well, yeah, because gay guys are fabulous and have a great sense of fashion. But once you add

00:11:36.980 everybody else into this mix...

00:11:38.720 Well, the gay guys are being pushed out, actually.

00:11:40.260 This is the point I was going to make. So one of the things that's so bizarre about the idea that

00:11:45.560 there is an LGBTQI plus movement is the fact that the basic premise behind the LG movement is at

00:11:52.000 just complete odds with the premise behind the transgender movement. The premise of the LG

00:11:57.440 movement is biological, born this way, our behavior is unchanging, it cannot change, and therefore you

00:12:02.460 should be tolerant of this sort of behavior in us. The premise of transgenderism is there's no such

00:12:06.960 thing as biological reality. Everything is free-floating.

00:12:09.900 Also, if you're a gay man, you're attracted to other men.

00:12:12.700 Right. There's a biological essentialism to men and women.

00:12:15.560 That underlies lesbian and gay, but it's a complete opposite of the transgender movement,

00:12:20.160 which is why you now have the bizarre spectacle of transgender women who are raping women and

00:12:25.540 claiming that they are women in the process using their very female penises to do so.

00:12:29.420 And the BBC going along with it by changing the pronouns in its stories to reflect this sort of

00:12:33.480 stuff. And so Joe Biden put out a statement on LGBTQI plus minus divided by sign month.

00:12:40.100 And in this statement, he had what I thought was a really telling line. And you hear it a lot.

00:12:45.400 And it was, we see you for who you are. And that is such the opposite of the truth.

00:12:50.320 Because in order for me to see you as you are, there has to be some sort of objectifiable

00:12:53.280 metric of what you are. There has to be something verifiable and objective.

00:12:57.180 If you're walking down the street and you have an internal feeling, there's no way for me to see

00:13:00.700 you, quote unquote, as you are. What this means is that you must have your feelings about the world

00:13:05.540 validated by everyone, no matter how destructive they are, no matter how destructive to yourself

00:13:09.920 they are, no matter what they are, it all has to be validated. And no society can function under

00:13:14.760 those conditions. Because for me to then see you as you are means I have to now take on faith

00:13:18.240 things that are blatantly untrue and at direct odds with reality. And that's really what I think the

00:13:22.460 documentary shows more than anything else, is that these people are saying things that are

00:13:25.540 blatant, direct odds with reality. And they are torturing children in order to address purpose.

00:13:30.460 The other thing that you notice, and you see this in documentary a lot, but this is just the

00:13:34.000 LGBT, you know, left, this is what they do. They all these kind of sleight of hand tricks. And you brought

00:13:39.500 up this question of, well, why do you care so much? Well, hang on a second. You're spending all this

00:13:44.340 time telling us that we're supposed to care. We're literally throwing parades in the streets,

00:13:48.860 like, hey, everybody, you should care about my sexuality. And then the moment that we actually care

00:13:52.420 and say, okay, let's talk about this, like, well, why do you care so much? So it's a sleight of

00:13:55.500 hand where they kind of reel you in and then they change the subject. Well, they do this with all

00:13:59.440 sorts of culture. They say, if you get involved with their culture, they say it's cultural

00:14:03.240 appropriation. If you ignore their culture, they say it's erasure. But there's this very visual

00:14:08.080 element, too, about the movie that strikes me that really only you could do. Because to your point,

00:14:13.840 Ben, in a way, it seems like the L and the G are opposed to the T, right? But in another sense,

00:14:21.080 there is a commonality here between the L and the G and the B and the T and all of them and

00:14:26.560 feminism and every other ism, which is all of these movements basically say men and women are

00:14:32.560 basically the same. So M plus M equals M plus W equals W plus W. And the M can be the W and the W can be

00:14:41.280 the M. And a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. And so that's the claim that runs through

00:14:45.420 all of them. And then there you are on screen, this giant looking lumberjack guy with a big bushy

00:14:52.440 beard. And you're talking to these little girls and you say, so what do you think a woman is?

00:14:56.860 Can you tell, am I a woman? You know, and you just think, no, you're not. Whatever a woman is,

00:15:01.620 you are not it. And it was shocking, too. You know, when you're talking to the experts,

00:15:06.900 you know you're talking to frauds and scammers. But when you're talking to people on the street,

00:15:10.800 you would think at least one of these girls would just say to you, I am. But none of them

00:15:15.920 does. And how pervasive it is. That's the one thing. And he's kind of man in the street. Everywhere

00:15:20.600 we went, we went out onto the street and talked to people. And we had so many conversations. So

00:15:24.780 much of it obviously can't make it into the film. But the one thing that struck me, a couple of

00:15:28.640 things. First of all, this is utterly pervasive. It didn't matter. I tried to predict ahead of time

00:15:33.160 based on how somebody looked, how old they were. You know, would we get a normal sane answer? And it was

00:15:37.780 impossible to predict. I mean, you talk to someone who's in their 80s, someone who's

00:15:40.700 18. It doesn't make a difference. This has just infected everyone. But the people on the street,

00:15:46.600 what you pick up on is they don't want to give you a straight answer, but they're afraid. Like,

00:15:50.900 they're scared. And a lot of times people would tell us, they would, you know, we would tell people,

00:15:54.660 we would try to stop them and say, we're doing this documentary. Would you talk to us? And they

00:15:57.340 say yes. And we even tell them it's about gender. But the moment they see where the questions are going,

00:16:01.220 they say, oh, I can't talk about this. And they just, and they walk away because they're afraid.

00:16:05.160 Whereas with the so-called experts, what you get is anger. You know, they're angry,

00:16:09.620 that you're, that you would deign to ask them any questions at all because they think the

00:16:14.780 relationship is supposed to be, they tell you, and then you just said, I'm supposed to sit there,

00:16:18.820 especially me of all people. I was just kind of this like, I didn't even, I didn't even go to

00:16:22.480 college. So I'm just, I'm supposed to just sit there and say, okay, Mr. Expert.

00:16:24.840 Well, the anger of the experts is the source of the fear of the everyday America.

00:16:29.220 That's right. And imagine too, you've dedicated your life from, let's say the end of high school

00:16:35.000 through college, through graduate school, through your PhD, you've tried to get tenure. You have

00:16:39.980 dedicated your life to a nonsense delusion that you, an uneducated podcast host, deflate with

00:16:48.380 one question. That I would be furious too. That wasted my life. But it is amazing how quickly they

00:16:53.580 throw you out. I mean, how quickly the minute they see that they're not in, one of the people says to

00:16:58.840 you, and nobody disagrees with this except the dinosaurs, which is, that's the ugliest thing

00:17:03.500 they can say to you, that you might be old, you might be unhaired. But that person actually says,

00:17:07.540 no one disagrees. No one disagrees. And only, only when Matt pushes back says, no one,

00:17:11.860 well, the dinosaurs. The dinosaurs. The initial statement is,

00:17:15.920 no one disagrees. Because you're not a person if you disagree. Right. And also remember the world

00:17:20.800 that these people live in. I mean, they, and that person knew that what was, that's obviously not

00:17:26.600 true. But these people also live in a world where, in their world anyway, nobody does disagree.

00:17:31.100 Well, it demonstrates how by creating a false consensus, you can convince an enormous number

00:17:35.240 of people that they must go along with the false consensus. And one of the things that's happening

00:17:38.140 here, there's a famous social experiment where if you go to a busy city and you stand on a street

00:17:42.120 corner, you look up into the sky and just stand there for a few minutes, then sooner rather than

00:17:46.560 later, there'll be 20, 30, 40 people who are standing there looking into the sky because they're

00:17:49.500 assuming there's a reason that you're looking into the sky. And so if you base, the emperor's new

00:17:53.580 clothes is real. If you generate a feeling that all the experts, all the wisest people

00:17:58.100 among us have said that this thing is true, then you can get everybody to agree that this

00:18:02.040 thing is true, particularly when it becomes a sign not only of stupidity, but also of malice

00:18:05.900 and evil for you to disagree.

00:18:07.740 There's also, there's an opportunity. This is one thing I hope people take from the film

00:18:11.040 is that this creates an opportunity for those of us who are, I don't even say on the right,

00:18:16.380 just if you're a sane, decent person, because they live, all the experts and everything,

00:18:20.880 the people that are promoting this agenda, they live in this sort of bubble. They've

00:18:26.800 gotten, they're, they're weak. I mean, they haven't been, they haven't been tested. These

00:18:30.360 ideas have not been tested and they're not prepared to be tested. And so it doesn't take

00:18:35.200 much. All we have to do is have a little bit of a backbone and ask some basic questions.

00:18:38.820 We could, we can win. This is a gender ideology. This is a battle we can actually win. I don't

00:18:44.000 say that about very many things because I'm the, I'm the pessimist, but we can actually win

00:18:48.200 this, I think. And I think, I think it's the bottom, uh, stick of the Jenga tower because

00:18:53.260 this is, this is the place where you can say, no, you're not telling the truth. And you know

00:18:58.040 what? You're not telling the truth about race either. And you're not telling the truth about

00:19:00.640 all these things that they're, you know, this is why, you know, when you pitch, I hate to

00:19:05.560 be an ad man. I hate to be a pitch man, but when you pitch subscriptions, you know, we've

00:19:10.340 been doing this now for a long time. This is a, this is a big moment for us. I think where

00:19:14.700 we are moving into this kind of content and we just can't do it. We're not doing this

00:19:18.480 on our own. And I get so many letters, conservatives, as you know, are naturally pessimistic. That's

00:19:23.280 part of being a conservative. And I get so many others. Oh, it's over, you know, forget

00:19:26.560 it. It's done. And I think, well, that makes it easy for you not to do anything. That's

00:19:30.540 right. But you know, I mean, people can actually help. They can actually be part of this and

00:19:34.360 they, they think we don't, we don't appreciate it. They think we don't know, you know, but we

00:19:38.360 know, we know we're, we're walking on their water basically. If they don't, if they don't fill

00:19:41.860 the tub, we can't go anywhere. Matt, we're going to let you step off set for a moment

00:19:45.420 to go do another interview. And then Matt will be joining us again. In the meantime,

00:19:49.500 we're going to have the director of the film, Justin Folk, join us to talk a little bit about

00:19:53.900 the making of the movie. But I want to follow up on something on your point, Drew, which

00:19:57.540 is when conservatives who are naturally pessimistic start to lament that there's nothing that can

00:20:05.060 be done. I actually think that, you know, we're in addition to being sort of preservers

00:20:09.440 of tradition and institutions. We're also supposed to carry the, the light of, of biblical

00:20:15.520 religion forward. And from the first pages of the Bible, God calls man to optimism. He

00:20:21.500 says, be fruitful and multiply, which is fundamentally about creating and looking to a future, looking

00:20:26.820 to the unknown, the, the, the things that are very frightening ahead of us and nevertheless

00:20:30.940 planting seeds in hope, in hopes of a harvest. So to throw up your hands and give up and give

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00:21:35.140 strings. And there is an ideological component, ESG, environmental, social, and governance policies

00:21:40.660 that rip out the diversity and inclusive policy. And whoever gives you the money, that's who you're

00:21:44.920 indebted to. And we want to be indebted to our audience. Right. That's exactly right. And I think

00:21:47.960 one of the things that, what Matt's documentary is going to show you tonight, and it really is,

00:21:51.320 again, I can't praise it highly enough, but I'm not going to have to sell it to you in about

00:21:54.600 38 minutes. You'll see it yourself. If you subscribe, which you should. What Matt's documentary

00:22:00.100 really shows more than anything else is that the left-wing ideology is a balloon. And it's

00:22:05.860 filled with hot air. And it feels really, really big. I mean, it's looming there on the horizon.

00:22:09.480 And it's just enormous. And it's every corporation. And you log on to watch ESPN or CNBC, and you're

00:22:16.220 seeing pride progress flags dedicated to the notion that gender and sex are completely separate,

00:22:22.540 but also the same. And they don't exist. And they do exist. And it feels like you're being

00:22:26.340 beaten over the head with this. Matt is one guy with a beard, a camera, and some funding from us.

00:22:31.680 And he went to the bastions of this ideology. And with one question, he completely collapsed it.

00:22:38.660 Because the thing about that balloon is it's full of hot air. All it takes is a man, some tenacity,

00:22:44.020 a beard, a million dollars from the God King, and the directing talent of one Justin Paul.

00:22:49.680 Before we bring Justin, I have to say, personal note, Justin Folk did the first series of videos I

00:22:57.040 ever did, the Clavin on the Culture videos for PGTV. And I'm so happy to see he has redeemed himself.

00:23:05.180 I had to do all of this to get here to get racist again. So thank you so much. No, guys, thanks, guys.

00:23:10.980 Thanks for having me. And man, what a privilege, you know, to make a movie with you guys. It really

00:23:15.420 has been a privilege. I also want to thank you for ruining my Hollywood career.

00:23:19.140 Yeah. You're welcome. Whatever we can do for you.

00:23:21.820 I had some real ambitions of directing Glee Part 4. So that's kind of out the window now. But

00:23:27.520 no, it's been a privilege. And working with Matt has been awesome. I've gotten to know Matt. And

00:23:32.900 Matt's a guy that, like, has such an interesting personality. He is so funny. But you have to kind

00:23:38.260 of understand, you kind of have to, you have to watch him. And he never shuts up. That guy is

00:23:43.420 all yak, yak, yak all day. But when Matt laughs, he goes, he basically, you know, you know, he

00:23:49.000 thinks something's funny because he shows about like an eighth of an inch of teeth. He just does

00:23:54.200 that. But no, this was great. And what was your biggest takeaway in the making of the film?

00:23:58.860 Well, what moment sticks out to you the most? I think I had a lot of takeaways. I think the biggest

00:24:04.220 takeaway I had that came while we were making the film was how important this was. You know,

00:24:10.580 when we started out, and I kind of, Matt told me the idea of the film, I was kind of like,

00:24:15.180 I don't know, you know, this is an issue that people don't want to touch. They don't think it

00:24:19.440 affects them. They think that they can kind of live their lives with their kids and do their thing.

00:24:23.360 And this thing won't affect them in any sort of way. And I just felt like, okay, how do we do this?

00:24:29.040 You know, how do you do a movie on this issue, the gender ideology thing? And when Matt

00:24:34.200 told me sort of the method, and you guys have been talking about the method, the sort of

00:24:38.720 Socratic method that he was going to go about doing this, which was just simply ask questions

00:24:43.440 and then watch this thing unravel. I was like, wow, that could work. But it really wasn't until

00:24:48.140 we got into it when we started to ask these questions. And we really began to find out

00:24:52.520 how pervasive this is all throughout society, how it's coming everywhere, and how parents are having

00:24:59.240 their rights stripped away, how kids are having their lives and their bodies ruined.

00:25:05.360 That's when it really dawned on me, like, wow, we're really doing something important

00:25:08.420 here, which is kind of the important decision for me, too, because it's like, am I willing

00:25:12.440 to throw myself out there as a director on this topic and do this? And the importance

00:25:16.880 helped that.

00:25:17.520 Our dailywire.com members are able to ask questions. And this question just came in for you.

00:25:22.360 Without giving anything away, what do you think is the most important interview in the film?

00:25:25.760 The most important interview. I think the most important interview is probably we have a

00:25:34.560 transgender person, a hero in our film, Scott Nugent. Scott is a person that transitioned from

00:25:41.540 female to male and tells the story. Of course, Scott has endured some tremendous physical

00:25:48.660 difficulties and health problems as a result of the transition. But more importantly, Scott speaks so

00:25:53.540 well about why we need to prevent this from happening to kids, specifically. And I think

00:25:59.700 because it's such a human story, it's such a real story, it's somebody who's lived it. I think

00:26:06.280 that's why that's probably one of our most important interviews that we did.

00:26:10.300 Yeah. The most interesting interviews in the movie to me actually are the people on the street.

00:26:15.280 And it's not that they have anything to offer. They don't. And that is what makes it so

00:26:19.300 interesting. They don't even offer the party line answer. They're all, everyone just about that you

00:26:25.860 speak to is terrified and speechless. The ambiguity is part of the weapon that the left uses. I mean,

00:26:31.480 Ben, you just hit on this. The idea that sex doesn't matter except that it does. Gender isn't

00:26:36.720 real except when it is. All of the contradictions that are inherent in transhumanism, fundamentally,

00:26:43.100 gender is a social construct. Therefore, here are 58 genders that no one in your social order has ever

00:26:48.780 heard of or conceived. I mean, none of it makes any sense. And that's the feature, not the bug.

00:26:54.800 That's right. Because then it really comes down to the deconstructionist point of view,

00:26:58.220 which is that everything is power. The postmodernist point of view, the sort of

00:27:00.960 Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida point of view, is that all rhetoric, all logic, all this stuff,

00:27:06.240 these are just systems of power that are finding a way to express themselves. And they accuse

00:27:09.860 capitalism being a system of power. They accuse free speech of being a system of power. But the reality is

00:27:14.520 the reason they say this stuff is because for them, everything is a system of power. Because in the end,

00:27:18.600 they are petty tyrants. And the idea is that if we confuse you so much that you don't understand

00:27:22.740 what's going on, and if you wrong step, we destroy you, then the only safe path is to just repeat

00:27:27.840 everything I say. It's just say after me. And if you don't repeat it in exactly the words that I'm

00:27:31.460 using, then you must repent. And if you don't repent, then we'll destroy you. And if what I'm

00:27:34.720 saying tomorrow is different than what I'm saying today, again, that's a feature, not a bug, because

00:27:37.980 you're demonstrating your fealty to the ideology by what you're willing to give up. If the idea in any

00:27:42.760 sort of ideological system is that your loyalty to the system can be proved by how much skin you have in

00:27:47.980 the game, which is fairly true, right? If you're a Christian, then you have to involve yourself in

00:27:51.480 certain practices. You have to go to church every Sunday. You have to bar yourself from certain

00:27:53.980 behaviors. If you're an orthodox, you have a ton of stuff that you can't do. There's just certain

00:27:57.400 things that you have to do and not to. When it comes to leftist ideology, the skin in the game

00:28:00.940 is simply, you have to give up all rootedness in logic and reason when it comes to gender ideology,

00:28:07.780 and you have to just pretend along with us, and you have to mirror exactly what we say.

00:28:11.600 So if I tell you right now that biology is a social construct, but also that children are

00:28:17.460 born transgender, if I tell you those two things simultaneously, the male and female are categories

00:28:22.460 that don't exist, but a male can become a female by doing surgeries to his body to make him appear

00:28:27.520 more like a biological female. Two things which are in complete contradiction with one another.

00:28:32.300 If you say those things, and you say them and you hold them in your head, that is not only

00:28:36.100 demonstration that you are virtuous, it is demonstration that you are willing to give up your

00:28:40.320 own mental health, your own sense of intellectual honesty, to give up everything in order to be

00:28:47.680 one of us, and it's all one of us kind of stuff. There was this really scary aspect to that Will

00:28:52.400 Thomas interview, Will goes by Leah, the swimmer on the UPenn team, and I felt conservatives were

00:28:58.940 reacting to it in a spike the football way, like, ha ha, we got him, you know, he's admitting that

00:29:03.500 transgenderism is false, because he couldn't answer the question. He just said, well, you know,

00:29:08.220 I don't really care. I'm happy now. And I don't care what the other girls think. I'm happy now.

00:29:12.420 To me, that's not a spike the football moment. What's so scary about that is he says, damn logic,

00:29:17.420 damn truth. All that matters is my will. All that matters is my desire. I mean, frankly,

00:29:23.200 not to be hyperbolic, it's sort of like the Marquis de Sade. Why does your pain matter any more than my

00:29:28.860 desire? That's absolutely true. It's also, Orwell, one of the scariest lines in all of literature,

00:29:33.480 is two and two is not five. Two and two is not four. It's what the party says it is. And that's

00:29:38.340 exactly what you're talking about. That's right. The Leah Thomas interview is astonishing, by the

00:29:42.160 way. If you haven't actually seen it, the number of unbelievably narcissistic things that are said

00:29:47.920 in that interview, and again, self-contradictory things. One of the things that Leah Thomas says,

00:29:51.220 in a voice significantly deeper than my own, which is no great accomplishment except that Leah Thomas is

00:29:55.960 supposed to be a woman, is that Leah Thomas at one point is asked about the non-competitive nature

00:30:01.620 of a biological man who is enormous, racing against far smaller biological women who went

00:30:08.220 through female puberty. And he says, well, you know, I took estrogen, and estrogen has made me

00:30:13.020 slower, and it has made me feel weaker. And it's like, yes, that's the point. Isn't it? That's the

00:30:19.500 point. So you had like a year of some estrogen shots. How about you try all of puberty, of bodily

00:30:25.100 produced estrogen? Like, how about that? But it's so awful because a woman is an actual

00:30:30.540 kind of person. How dare you? So they play. No, so these women who are women go out and become

00:30:37.480 excellent in a sport, in women's sports, and he strips it away from them. Who was it who wrote

00:30:43.440 this? Someone with a straight face actually said this week that women's sports were created to

00:30:49.240 protect men from having to lose to women. From the humiliation of having to lose to women. Who was it,

00:30:54.980 Ben? I'm trying to remember who it was. It was a columnist, I think, for the New York Times,

00:30:57.780 they believe it. That's the scary thing. They do believe it. Justin, here's another question.

00:31:03.360 From a person who hasn't watched one game in their life. Here's another question from a

00:31:07.660 dailywire.com member. Did any of the hostile interviewees recognize Matt when he sat down?

00:31:13.940 It's a good question. No, actually, not that I know of. But we did have cameras rolling as soon as we

00:31:20.340 got in the room, usually, for these interviews, just in case they did and knocked over our cameras and

00:31:26.720 stormed out. But during the interview itself, you know, it goes back to Matt's just ability to

00:31:33.480 carry on a conversation. Just, by the way, don't play poker. Yeah. No. Don't do it. Like, that's a

00:31:39.500 no-go. You don't tug on Superman's cape. Yeah. Don't play poker with him. That's what I learned

00:31:43.680 making this movie. But they could not read him. And so, and that's what we, you know, it's a 90-minute

00:31:50.160 film, but a lot of these conversations were about an hour long. Right. Yeah. And these people were just,

00:31:54.560 and I had a good crew that wouldn't crack, and they're just professionals. And so, they couldn't

00:31:58.840 read anybody. And they're looking around. You can see in the interviews themselves, they're kind of

00:32:01.480 looking around, like, what's going on here? Yeah. Is this for real? You know, and Matt would just

00:32:05.440 kind of keep the conversation going. And so, no, nobody recognized him. He's hard to recognize

00:32:11.460 without the steering wheel. Will we get to see any of that extra footage, anything that didn't make

00:32:17.600 the cut? Absolutely. Absolutely. We have so much great moments that didn't make the cut. And

00:32:22.560 looking forward to get that stuff out there. We, Africa was incredible. That's some of the best

00:32:27.920 stuff. I feel like we've glossed over the fact that you flew to Africa. Yeah. In fact, here's a

00:32:32.440 question from one of our members. How does one coordinate talking to a real African tribe?

00:32:37.820 It's a good question. Yeah. No, that is a good question. No, we went through the normal channels.

00:32:41.800 We reached out to some... What are the normal channels?

00:32:46.520 Yeah, there's a... If you Google www.talktoafricansabouttransgenderism.com.

00:32:54.080 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That old site. It'll lay it all out. I hang out on that site all the time.

00:32:58.300 It's all right there. But no, we just said, hey, we're making a movie. We have some questions. We

00:33:03.280 want to go and dig deep and reach one of the tribes in Africa. There's some film fixers that helped us

00:33:08.540 out. They had producers on the ground. And it all came together miraculously. They all kind of just

00:33:12.980 came together. And next thing you know, we're out there and spent the whole day with this tribe.

00:33:17.260 One little note I'd like to say about the tribe, and this is something that did make the final cut

00:33:22.660 that you can probably see in the extra footage, is Matt actually asked the tribe just about if

00:33:28.600 anybody in the tribe deals with depression or mental illness or anything like that. And they just

00:33:34.540 said no. It's like an emphatic, like, no. I'm going to deal with that here. We're happy.

00:33:39.500 We have babies.

00:33:40.220 Now, they have other real concerns, like lions coming into the village and eating everybody.

00:33:45.380 But on the mental illness and the depression thing, it was like, no. Everybody has their...

00:33:49.300 They have an identity. And their identity is wrapped up in their community and their role

00:33:53.720 within the community and what they do for the community. That's what their identity is.

00:33:57.540 And it was pretty striking when you asked that question.

00:34:00.100 There's an article in the Wall Street Journal this morning saying that democratic, wealthy

00:34:05.580 societies have the most mental illness because you become severed from the roles that you so

00:34:11.560 often talk about that bring us into relation with one another and define you. You know, this is

00:34:15.360 what happens when you're defined. And the early... I like to read... I think Walsh likes to read

00:34:20.980 these too, the biographies and autobiographies of explorers in Africa. And one thing that comes across

00:34:27.420 all the time is they're walking into a system that works. They're walking into a system where

00:34:31.560 the women know exactly what they do and they talk about, well, they don't have power, but

00:34:34.860 they do have power. They have enormous power because they know exactly what their role is

00:34:38.680 and it's essential to their community. They may not have political power, but they have

00:34:43.300 the power of creation and the power of homemaking and food making and all these things. And all

00:34:48.860 of that vanishes when you become part of a mechanistic society that is based wholly on the individual.

00:34:54.700 I have to say, you know, very shortly after I started working at The Daily Wire, I remember

00:34:59.820 talking to my son Spencer, no relation, and saying, you know, I've been an individualist all

00:35:04.000 my life and now that I hear it coming out of my mouth, I realize it's not enough. You have to be in

00:35:08.380 relationship. It has to be about who we are together. And that's what they've basically thrown a

00:35:14.460 grenade into that entire system. That's exactly right. I mean, the complete destruction of

00:35:17.660 societal institutions. You have to understand that I think that that is the goal because this is a way of

00:35:22.440 people feeling about themselves. And one of the people you interview in the film was Carl

00:35:25.940 Truman. As I said before, Carl Truman's book, The Rise and Tramp of the Modern Self is a deeply

00:35:29.360 important book. And the point that he makes, in essence, as I've said before, is that the way

00:35:34.800 that people used to identify was in relation to their role in society. You were born into a biological

00:35:40.080 body. You were born into a system that preexisted you. The world didn't begin turning the moment that

00:35:44.480 you arrived. Now, we have this conundrum and sort of liberal democracy. Why am I bound by the

00:35:48.480 Constitution? It was born after the Constitution. I didn't consent to being part of the social

00:35:52.060 compact. And the answer is because you didn't consent to being born either. I mean, you were

00:35:56.040 born into systems. Those systems help define you. And that's not a bad thing. That's a very good thing

00:36:00.040 that helps provide channels and boundaries. It helps take the evolved wisdom of society over

00:36:04.720 thousands of years and make that accessible to you in the way that people around you live and what is

00:36:08.960 expected of you in terms of your duties. And we used to understand that. And now, the way that we

00:36:12.920 define ourselves is our authentic sense of self-fulfillment. And once you believe that what you are

00:36:17.760 is your authentic sense of self-fulfillment, you are automatically oriented toward destroying all

00:36:22.040 the institutions around you. Because all those institutions are in position on the real you.

00:36:25.800 The real you is somebody who exists in the absence of any of these societal influences,

00:36:29.420 in the absence of any of these important institutions. So if you can just destroy,

00:36:32.200 the more institutions you wreck, the more authentic you are.

00:36:35.340 This is like Calvinism and Arminianism to me, though. I hate false binaries that ideology creates.

00:36:41.280 You know, it's free will. No, it's predestination. No, you have a cantaloupe-sized brain,

00:36:44.820 and you can't actually conceive of two sides of the same coin. And so you pick, it's like one guy's a

00:36:51.240 night owl and one guy's a morning person, and they're arguing over which is the better time.

00:36:55.420 They're both time. Like, they are both a real expression of time. And this is true with rugged

00:37:00.240 individualism versus, you know, sort of corporatism or communitarianism. America's sense of rugged

00:37:07.120 individualism is good. It takes place in a society which is structured around social order.

00:37:14.100 I always say ordered liberty. It's called ordered liberty. Not just liberty, ordered liberty.

00:37:17.360 And this is the other thing about this therapeutic language that they pull on Matt,

00:37:21.240 where they say, you know, why do you care? The thing about therapy, what's interesting is,

00:37:26.540 is you're non-judgmental about a person, but you're not non-judgmental about a situation.

00:37:31.240 If somebody talks to you, and I've been in this situation because I've been on hotlines and things

00:37:34.420 like that, and they call you up and they say, I'm cutting myself. You don't say, oh, that's great.

00:37:39.080 Right. Unless you're in New York City, by the way. Did you see those heroin ads?

00:37:41.520 Let's see this. New York City put out heroin ads. They put out ads on subways in which they said,

00:37:46.820 don't be ashamed that you're using heroin. Be proud that you're doing it safely.

00:37:50.260 So, counter you. Yeah. No, but what you do say is you don't condemn the person for doing it. You

00:37:55.620 sort of explore why they're doing it. You're non-judgmental in that sense, but you're not

00:37:59.720 non-judgmental about the fact that what they're doing is bad. As I've said on this program before,

00:38:04.360 a healthy society has liberals. A healthy society has a healthy left. It doesn't have an ascendant

00:38:13.440 left. That on the side of arguing for trad, community, communal living, lies wisdom and

00:38:22.720 great, great evil. On the side of liberalism and individualism lies great truth and great beauty

00:38:30.540 and great evil. That the nature of being humans is that none of our, none of our ideas taken to their

00:38:37.800 fullest, most extreme version are good because we're not fundamentally good, right? There's this,

00:38:45.180 one of the things that religion does is it moderates us away from ideology. Now, when you're an early

00:38:50.080 convert, is the reason that Paul says not to put early converts in charge, by the way, in the New

00:38:55.000 Testament? Because early converts become incredibly ideological, incredibly zealous, incredibly dogmatic.

00:39:00.700 They become very dug in on their ideas. Part of that's out of enthusiasm. Part of it's out of fear.

00:39:05.520 They just grab something. They don't want anybody to be afraid. They're also afraid of doing the wrong

00:39:08.480 thing. You don't know enough to know where the loopholes are. That's right. But the reality, I think,

00:39:12.480 of religious life, the reality, if you read religious thinkers of all stripes across history, real

00:39:18.000 intellects, is that everyone sort of understands that God can only relate to fallen man because those are the

00:39:24.980 only men with whom he gets to relate, right? So there is a beauty in the sort of humility that

00:39:31.720 it takes to say, I have these ideas. I see wisdom and beauty in these ideas. And these ideas are not

00:39:37.140 all. I'm not capable of understanding all of the ideas. And in terms of the relationship and the idea

00:39:42.760 that man has identity in relationship, I mean, one, this is why modern people don't get Socrates.

00:39:48.340 There are lots of reasons not to get Socrates. But, you know, the fact that he accedes to death rather

00:39:52.800 than being exiled because his identity would mean nothing if he were outside the city. But then

00:39:57.020 even furthermore, God himself, right? God in Judaism, God himself has a relationship with the

00:40:02.800 people of Israel. And in Christianity, God has a relationship with himself because he is three

00:40:07.640 persons. I mean, that is where identity lies, right? It's not just some Adam floating out.

00:40:13.040 I actually believe, I believe, you know, I listen to you guys sometimes that the Protestants argue

00:40:17.640 with the Catholics. And I sometimes think this is how God is teaching us that institutionalism,

00:40:22.640 the togetherness of it all, and the independence of it all are somehow going to have to be reconciled

00:40:26.900 in ways that our cantaloupe-sized brain does not understand.

00:40:29.760 At the stake, that's where it's going to be reconciled.

00:40:32.300 You had me right.

00:40:34.860 There's a question, Justin.

00:40:37.260 It's obviously not working.

00:40:40.020 The worst thing that happened at Westphalia is we agreed to disagree.

00:40:43.300 It always comes back to Westphalia. Literally every episode.

00:40:47.160 It always comes back.

00:40:48.140 Have we gone through a single episode of Backstage in, what, five years, six years,

00:40:51.480 seven years without bringing it back to the peace of Westphalia?

00:40:53.660 We either get back to that or we get back to what came before.

00:40:57.280 It's my favorite band.

00:40:58.960 That's right.

00:41:00.200 Question from a dailywire.com member.

00:41:02.020 Would this film work as a good educational tool for church audiences?

00:41:05.840 Context, I'm a newly ordained priest trying to convince my bishop of this cultural tidal wave

00:41:10.160 hurtling toward the church.

00:41:11.840 Which depends who your bishop is, if you'll be allowed to do it.

00:41:15.380 You know, there's a bishop in San Francisco who just got a lot of publicity because he

00:41:19.900 fulfilled his duty as a bishop and told Nancy Pelosi that she's in a state of grave mortals.

00:41:25.360 Whoopi Goldberg says that's not his job.

00:41:26.940 Oh, it's not his job.

00:41:27.800 Not his job.

00:41:28.420 Ah, well, Whoopi.

00:41:29.400 I mean, you know, literally his job.

00:41:31.660 But, you know, Whoopi, St. Whoopi knows.

00:41:33.480 Archbishop Whoopi knows.

00:41:34.640 But, you know, this guy had the courage to actually do his job and fulfill the faith.

00:41:39.700 His name is Cor de Leone.

00:41:42.360 It literally means heart of a lion, you know.

00:41:43.640 So this is a guy who's willing to stand up.

00:41:45.120 If you have a bishop who has courage, which is a virtue and the prerequisite of all the

00:41:49.620 other virtues, I think this movie would be an incredible, timely, important, intellectually

00:41:55.940 serious, very funny resource.

00:41:58.740 And if your bishop doesn't like it, maybe don't tell him about the viewing party.

00:42:01.880 Yeah, I mean, what I would say is for, you know, age restrictions, if your kid is old

00:42:07.560 enough to understand that these issues exist, so probably 14, 15 and up, then it's totally

00:42:13.540 worth the watch.

00:42:14.080 Like all content that we make at the Daily Wire, this is not content for sort of superficial

00:42:21.560 religious sensibilities.

00:42:23.160 Yeah.

00:42:23.280 Right.

00:42:23.640 This isn't like, if you get the...

00:42:25.900 It's going to talk about heart issues and heart problems.

00:42:26.720 If you get the vapors, then this is not for you.

00:42:29.420 You're right.

00:42:30.080 If you get the vapors, though, I don't think any single page of the Bible is for you, is

00:42:33.860 the truth.

00:42:34.260 I also don't think, by the way...

00:42:35.080 This is a very...

00:42:35.900 If you get the vapors, you're also going to lose this battle.

00:42:37.840 I'm just going to say it straight out.

00:42:38.880 Because what the left is counting on is for you to get the vapors, I don't ever want to

00:42:42.100 talk about this, I don't want to see it, I don't want to hear about it, and therefore

00:42:44.520 you just sit aside while you watch them march right through the institution.

00:42:47.300 So if you want to fight it, this is the only way to fight it.

00:42:48.680 And every piece of content that we're making at The Daily Wire, we're trying to contribute

00:42:52.420 something to the actual conversation, not the theoretical, hypothetical conversation

00:42:57.160 that very buttoned up people are having in their minds.

00:43:02.000 Well, you put it very well, Jeremy.

00:43:03.220 You say, we make content that conservatives want to see, not content that they want to

00:43:08.400 want to see.

00:43:09.080 That's right.

00:43:10.020 Did you say that?

00:43:11.160 That's a good line.

00:43:11.920 That's pretty good.

00:43:12.540 Just one point in terms of the religious nature here, and it's something that I discovered

00:43:16.580 in making this thing, was, you know, Judeo-Christian values were taught that we're made in the image

00:43:23.300 of God.

00:43:24.040 That's what our society is pretty much built on.

00:43:26.960 And this ideology attacks that.

00:43:29.000 It says, no, you're not in the image of God.

00:43:31.740 In fact, you might be a mistake.

00:43:33.800 And in fact, you can correct that mistake.

00:43:35.480 In fact, you can play God and correct that mistake.

00:43:37.520 And so it really goes against this sort of this real, real down deep notion of we are made

00:43:44.520 in the image of God.

00:43:46.460 And that's why I think it's so destructive.

00:43:48.820 It's funny.

00:43:49.420 It's funny.

00:43:49.720 Bill Maher, the big atheist, said almost exactly that.

00:43:52.960 He said, what happened?

00:43:53.980 Were all the babies put in the wrong bodies?

00:43:55.880 Was there a mistake at the factory?

00:43:57.600 Is this the version of Captain Crunch?

00:43:59.440 Oops, it's all berries, you know?

00:44:00.980 I mean, this is what Bill Maher is saying.

00:44:02.740 I was thinking, where do you think the factory is, Bill?

00:44:04.460 Because what they're ultimately rejecting is the first pages of the Bible.

00:44:08.400 Right, they're rejecting the fundamental reality of that God made man in his image with purpose

00:44:15.680 by design.

00:44:18.260 Male and female, he made them, it says.

00:44:20.860 Again, I go back to, and the reason they're denying this is they're not denying it because

00:44:24.520 they don't think it's true.

00:44:25.300 They're denying it because they think it's true.

00:44:26.600 That's correct.

00:44:27.480 For the same reason that I was just talking, sometimes I speak ill of the zealots, of the

00:44:32.420 dogmatic Christian zealots, but it's the same reason, because it is their fear that makes

00:44:38.600 them unable to actually engage with the idea that may challenge the thing to which they're

00:44:43.560 holding on to.

00:44:44.540 Their fear of being wrong means that you can't speak at all.

00:44:48.180 That is a base human reaction.

00:44:52.740 Because if they're wrong, see, if we're wrong, we can change our minds, but if they're wrong,

00:44:56.300 their virtue is gone.

00:44:57.240 That's right.

00:44:58.140 It's also an attack on their identity.

00:44:59.720 Yeah.

00:45:00.060 Right, so you hear this language all the time.

00:45:02.260 What you're saying is an attack on me.

00:45:03.740 It's a violent attack.

00:45:04.500 You're erasing me.

00:45:06.160 Well, if what you are saying is that who you are is not anything objective, not verifiable,

00:45:12.100 not in coordinates with society, there's literally nothing to you except what you feel at this

00:45:18.180 very moment, then of course anything I say that disagrees with you is an attack on you

00:45:20.920 because you've literally defined you as whatever you feel in this moment.

00:45:24.120 So if I say something that makes you feel bad about yourself or makes you feel that what

00:45:27.820 you're saying is incorrect, that is in fact an attack on your identity, which is why

00:45:31.040 this is not your identity.

00:45:32.460 It is a lie.

00:45:33.100 Your identity is not whatever you happen to think at this specific moment.

00:45:36.840 It is how you orient yourself to the world and how you deal with the fact that you live

00:45:41.400 in a biological body, with the fact that there is a society around you that has rules and

00:45:45.460 that those rules exist because they have been passed down from time immemorial to help with

00:45:50.340 the healthful transition of the species toward tomorrow and toward the creation of children.

00:45:55.000 The most perverse thing that I've seen the left do with this stuff is pretend that it's on

00:45:58.060 behalf of kids.

00:45:58.620 It is not on behalf of kids.

00:45:59.960 It is an attack on children.

00:46:01.080 It is an attempt to pervert children in order to validate your own sense of self-worth.

00:46:05.560 That is why it is so important to have Drag Queen Story Hour for seven-year-olds.

00:46:08.840 It's why it's so important to teach radical gender ideology to first graders because it's

00:46:12.320 not about, oh, there may be a transgender five-year-old.

00:46:14.840 There's no such thing as a transgender five-year-old.

00:46:16.840 There may be such a thing as a child with gender dysphoria, which may or may not alleviate

00:46:20.200 naturally over time.

00:46:21.060 There is no such thing as a boy who thinks he is a girl and knows this in the deep, bare

00:46:26.680 bones of it because that doesn't exist as a fact of life.

00:46:29.040 There's no such thing as transgenderism in that we're saying that as an ontological

00:46:33.120 category, boys are not secretly girls on the inside.

00:46:36.220 Right.

00:46:36.480 And so when they say this is about the mental health of children, when you take a wide,

00:46:41.940 vast swath of kids and you confuse them about gender at an age when they are the most impressionable,

00:46:46.000 which is why we are supposed to take care of innocent children, the reason that you are

00:46:49.360 doing this is not to take care of the kids.

00:46:51.280 You're deliberately confusing hundreds of millions of children.

00:46:54.560 Deliberately, you're doing it to make yourself feel better about yourself.

00:46:57.220 And you see it in these TikTok videos of these first-grade teachers.

00:47:00.960 You know how good it makes me feel when I talk about my gender identity with third-graders?

00:47:05.740 You know how good it makes me feel when I announce my sexual orientation to a bunch of small

00:47:09.500 children?

00:47:09.960 Who gives off flying how it makes you feel when you talk to a small kid about sex?

00:47:14.480 But this points out why we feel we love this country and we feel it's basically benign.

00:47:19.800 Because for all its sins, which are human sins that are always going to be there, it basically

00:47:24.240 lets us find our way and form relationships.

00:47:27.340 Whereas for them, it's always an imposition on that personal joy that they're going to have

00:47:32.880 because they're never actually going to have it.

00:47:34.460 So it must be somebody's fault.

00:47:35.940 Justin, thank you so much for making this movie.

00:47:38.660 Thanks for working with us on it.

00:47:39.600 We're going to get Matt back out here, but we'll see you at the after party.

00:47:42.340 You talked about how great it was to work with him.

00:47:44.220 I've never heard you say that about me.

00:47:45.560 I don't know.

00:47:46.780 Have a good night.

00:47:49.320 For the rest of you, now's a good opportunity.

00:47:51.420 There are 12 minutes before we bring What is a Woman to its worldwide premiere.

00:47:55.820 Head over to whatisawoman.com and become a Daily Wire member right now.

00:48:00.040 You have 12 minutes left to catch the film in its debut.

00:48:03.400 You will not be sorry, and it will give us the power to continue making this terrific kind

00:48:07.640 of content going forward.

00:48:08.520 Some people have asked us, if the film is so powerful, if it's so important, why are

00:48:12.780 we locking it up behind a paywall?

00:48:15.060 And the answer is because a non-profit could not make this movie.

00:48:20.400 I can prove it.

00:48:21.680 There are a billion dollars of conservative non-profits out there, and none of them have

00:48:25.100 made this movie.

00:48:25.740 This is the kind of content that only comes into existence through a profit mechanism.

00:48:33.360 It comes into existence because of our DailyWire.com members, and therefore, we have to monetize

00:48:38.940 it to our DailyWire.com members.

00:48:41.500 How, therefore, can it ever expand its influence?

00:48:44.040 Well, first of all, we're talking about it very publicly, not behind a paywall.

00:48:48.360 There will be clips of it that are very public, not behind a paywall.

00:48:51.080 Well, we give away 95% of our content.

00:48:53.460 Our business model is terrible.

00:48:55.020 Our business model is we have a profit motive and a missional motive.

00:48:59.520 Here's 95% of everything for free.

00:49:01.480 We hope people will pay for the 5% that's behind.

00:49:04.100 But I'll go further than that.

00:49:05.120 If this were behind a paywall at Netflix, people wouldn't be asking us that question

00:49:10.720 because they would understand that the number of people behind the paywall at Netflix is

00:49:16.580 insufficient that that would satisfy their need for the content to have cultural penetration.

00:49:23.040 Well, you only get there if you add the subscribers.

00:49:25.180 So, in a way, people are asking, they're saying, you don't have enough subscribers.

00:49:29.460 We think this content is so valuable that everyone should be able to see it, but we shouldn't

00:49:33.460 have to pay for it.

00:49:34.240 That's the first contradiction.

00:49:35.600 The second contradiction is we think that you don't have enough subscribers for it to

00:49:41.920 make sense for you to put the show behind your paywall.

00:49:43.780 Therefore, we will not add more subscribers to you by becoming a subscriber.

00:49:46.960 It only works if it works.

00:49:49.920 And the only way that it works is if you join us.

00:49:52.300 dailywire.com, whatisawoman.com, become a member now, 10 minutes to go until the world

00:49:56.920 premiere of What Is A Woman?

00:49:57.200 The other reason, yeah, it's a really simple concept, really.

00:50:01.220 It's support the content that you want and don't support the content that you don't want.

00:50:06.460 Which, I mean, by the way, there's this whole controversy now over the new Star Wars TV show

00:50:12.240 and the actress is complaining about the fact that Ewan McGregor's come out and called

00:50:16.960 his own fan base racist and everything.

00:50:20.360 And this is the game that Disney plays at Star Wars.

00:50:22.800 They put these characters out there who they know are unlikable and the audience isn't going

00:50:27.820 to like, so they could trap the audience into complaining about it so they can call them

00:50:30.800 racist and virtually single.

00:50:31.800 Right.

00:50:32.000 But then the problem is that conservatives keep supporting that content even though

00:50:36.080 we're tired of that game.

00:50:37.840 And then there's content elsewhere that's the kind of content you want.

00:50:42.780 But then you say, well, I shouldn't have to pay for that.

00:50:44.000 I shouldn't have to support it.

00:50:44.860 That's just not how it works.

00:50:46.580 If you want the content, then support it.

00:50:47.780 There's a lot of stuff that we do at the Daily Wire.

00:50:49.440 I think almost everything that we do that can only happen here.

00:50:53.400 I mean, this film, I'm well aware of the fact that I could not have gone anywhere else

00:50:57.200 to do this film, for one thing, because I'm under contract, but also because nowhere else

00:51:04.240 could this film exist.

00:51:05.360 Well, that's because basically, I mean, not to pat ourselves on the back here, but that's

00:51:09.400 because of the producers.

00:51:10.200 And what I was going to say here is not just, you know, because Jeremy and I are wonderful,

00:51:13.560 though we clearly are, but really the major producer of the film is the subscribers.

00:51:18.040 When we talk about the subscribers, the subscribers are effectively executive producers on the

00:51:21.900 film because it is their money that is going into the film.

00:51:24.320 You guys have opted to give us your money so that we can make stuff like this.

00:51:28.140 And we think of you guys as the people who are collaborating in the creation of content

00:51:31.620 that is going to change hearts and that's going to change minds.

00:51:34.100 And again, our goal is to get not hundreds of thousands of people behind our paywall,

00:51:37.580 but millions of people behind our paywall so that every day you have millions of people

00:51:40.820 who are ingesting content that is healthy for them and that is good for them and that

00:51:44.840 helps change the discourse and that makes you into a weapon for truth and for values

00:51:49.320 that actually matter.

00:51:50.100 Because it's not just for, you know, movies like this aren't just for people who don't

00:51:53.900 know better.

00:51:54.520 They're for people who know but don't have the words to speak.

00:51:57.100 And I think that's what this movie does.

00:51:58.860 And then Netflix has to compete with us, which changes the entire landscape.

00:52:02.020 It changes their behavior.

00:52:02.480 You're also not subscribing for What is a Woman.

00:52:05.220 You're getting What is a Woman tonight.

00:52:07.020 You're subscribing for the next What is a Woman.

00:52:08.940 And you're subscribing for the next one.

00:52:10.520 And, you know, this movie would not have existed without all the support from our members

00:52:14.580 already.

00:52:16.020 The next one won't exist.

00:52:16.960 The slate for 2022 is insane.

00:52:19.000 It's ridiculous.

00:52:19.320 It only happens with your support.

00:52:20.740 So if you like it, get excited for the next one.

00:52:23.000 Matt, I have a question for you from one of our existing DailyWire.com members.

00:52:27.000 I'm sure a lot of people will accuse you of editing to make these individuals look weak

00:52:30.580 and pathetic in the film.

00:52:31.960 What is your response?

00:52:34.400 I don't think the kind of editing exists.

00:52:37.960 I mean, we would have to use so many special effects to create this.

00:52:42.800 No, I assure you there was no editing necessary whatsoever.

00:52:46.440 And you can see that.

00:52:48.240 If you actually watch the film, that's the kind of criticism that could only exist from

00:52:52.140 people who haven't seen it.

00:52:53.160 And the left is already accusing us of that.

00:52:55.700 And the film doesn't even exist for them to see yet.

00:52:58.260 But if you watch it, you can see very clearly that this is just question, answer, usually

00:53:04.700 a non-answer.

00:53:05.440 But that's all it is.

00:53:06.540 That was one of my favorite things, I think, about the film is the fact that you're asking

00:53:11.260 all these people these questions, and they so clearly have no answers.

00:53:16.500 And the simple fact that then a few months later, you saw these reports in the media where

00:53:22.960 they're like, Matt Walsh, when he asked us for interviews, the Daily Beast did a whole

00:53:27.800 piece of this.

00:53:28.280 Matt Walsh is going around and asking people who are transgender advocates for interviews.

00:53:32.520 And then he's filming these interviews, and it's an act of cruel sabotage for him to ask

00:53:38.600 these questions.

00:53:39.660 And they treat it like this is a big revelation.

00:53:41.780 He's pranking them.

00:53:42.640 Wait, I thought you were a transgender advocate who is literally paid to answer questions about

00:53:46.580 this.

00:53:46.940 I thought that was your job.

00:53:47.800 Giving you a chance to answer basic questions.

00:53:49.480 Also, there's a moment in the film to watch out for where one of the interview subjects actually

00:53:54.920 says, oh, I ask him a question, and he says, oh, I saw that in your questions.

00:53:59.300 And because many of the questions we asked, we actually sent them ahead of them, because

00:54:04.060 they asked for them.

00:54:05.040 And it's like, okay, here are the basic questions we're going to ask.

00:54:08.380 Sure, go ahead.

00:54:09.100 Got nothing to hide.

00:54:10.220 But even those questions, they collapsed in answering.

00:54:13.920 They knew they were going to be asked of them.

00:54:15.200 So that is how...

00:54:16.300 It's not Borat.

00:54:17.720 You're not trolling them in that sense.

00:54:19.460 You're very open about what you're doing, and you ask them very serious questions, and

00:54:23.340 they can't answer them.

00:54:24.540 I mean, it's very...

00:54:25.280 The only Borat element of this is you didn't just say, I am a conservative, and I'm a religious

00:54:30.100 person.

00:54:30.660 Because if you had said that stuff, then they wouldn't have given you the interview in

00:54:32.600 the first place.

00:54:33.500 But the questions themselves are not a prank.

00:54:35.980 The questions are just questions.

00:54:37.060 At the risk of sounding like a liberal asks a DailyWire.com member, how was your mental

00:54:41.160 health impacted during the making of the film?

00:54:43.920 It was not great for some of these interviews, I have to say.

00:54:47.060 I mean, there was a couple of times when we left, and it was just kind of...

00:54:51.720 In particular, one of the people we talked to is a sex change surgeon, put quotes around

00:54:56.360 sex change, because obviously you can't really do that.

00:54:58.340 And leaving that, it's just very...

00:54:59.920 It's very sort of draining, because you're talking to what is just evil.

00:55:05.040 I mean, you're confronting something that is really pure evil, what they're doing to

00:55:08.060 people.

00:55:08.520 Also, shouldn't it be gender change surgery?

00:55:11.320 They will actually grant that sex is a biological phenomenon.

00:55:15.040 Yeah, now it's actually...

00:55:17.040 The term of art is gender affirmation surgery, which of course makes no sense.

00:55:20.720 The idea that you need surgery to affirm something that you already are...

00:55:24.640 It's an internal feeling.

00:55:25.620 Right, exactly.

00:55:26.240 It makes no sense.

00:55:26.940 So I want to divert for one second and just say, because it is the beginning of Pride

00:55:30.680 Month, just how much I hate the term Pride Month, and how I actually do think it's relevant

00:55:36.220 to the topic of what is a woman, obviously.

00:55:38.180 This idea that you would take pride, pride in things like your sexuality, or your preferential

00:55:47.980 gender, or whatever it is, you know, like, I think as a general rule, one should not take

00:55:52.520 pride in anything other than, at most, accomplishments.

00:55:56.140 This is why, like, racial pride is such an anathema.

00:55:59.980 What is there to be proud about?

00:56:01.960 If you were actually born some way...

00:56:04.900 You didn't do it.

00:56:05.900 You didn't do it.

00:56:06.680 Yeah, what is there for you to take pride in?

00:56:08.120 The key phrase there is, at most, because I read this old book, you know, and it's

00:56:12.000 pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall, and I believe it's the queen

00:56:17.060 of all vices, is what Thomas Aquinas said, and Andrew Klavan said it's the vice of all

00:56:22.080 queens.

00:56:23.380 There is a distinct version of pride, though, like civic pride.

00:56:27.200 National pride.

00:56:27.880 National pride.

00:56:28.420 Sort of like filial pride.

00:56:29.660 Love of country.

00:56:30.380 That's right.

00:56:30.960 That's a completely different idea.

00:56:32.000 But part of what you have here is people sort of boasting in things that they also claim

00:56:37.700 are innate.

00:56:38.980 Yeah.

00:56:39.280 And to me, that seems like a complete...

00:56:41.080 You know, the one thing, the only thing that I think is a little bit off about this is

00:56:44.200 we do take pride when our children go off and have children, you know?

00:56:47.960 But because you take pride out of a sense of accomplishment, in a way, part of what you're

00:56:53.180 proud about when your child goes off and is married, your child goes off and has children,

00:56:56.800 you're proud that you raised them to be the sorts of people...

00:56:59.460 And created people who create people, you know?

00:57:01.120 Yeah, of course.

00:57:01.480 That is a compliment.

00:57:02.400 I mean, you're not so proud if your child is Hunter Biden and he sires a child with somebody

00:57:08.220 on, you know...

00:57:09.160 But I think this idea, I mean, almost all things that involve the word pride are shameful.

00:57:14.900 People who feel ashamed.

00:57:16.020 You don't have a pride parade if you're not ashamed.

00:57:19.340 I mean...

00:57:20.120 There is also something a little strange, which is that there are three main things that June

00:57:24.960 is called.

00:57:26.080 National Dairy Month.

00:57:27.260 It's been that since 1937.

00:57:28.380 I'm celebrating that.

00:57:29.340 Yeah, naturally.

00:57:30.180 You know, all Americans eat dairy.

00:57:32.680 The month of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, 23% of Americans are Catholic.

00:57:37.000 And Pride Month, at the highest number, according to Gallup, 7.1% of Americans are LGBT.

00:57:44.640 How can we pick the lowest one?

00:57:45.900 Why don't we celebrate National Dairy Month?

00:57:47.360 Matt, we're coming up to two minutes now before the world premiere of your film.

00:57:51.980 What is the one thing you want the audience to take with them into this experience as they

00:57:56.620 sit down to watch this movie?

00:57:59.320 Well, I'll tell you the thing that I want...

00:58:01.820 Can I answer a different question?

00:58:02.780 What should they take out of it?

00:58:03.920 Like, after they watch it?

00:58:05.700 Because I've been thinking about this because one of the things that we're hearing from people

00:58:09.620 is, well, are you preaching to the choir, especially if it's behind the paywall and all that?

00:58:12.740 And we've already kind of responded to that.

00:58:14.040 But this idea that the choir doesn't need to be preached to, I kind of reject.

00:58:18.980 I mean, the choir's in the church too, right?

00:58:20.220 Are we going to ignore them?

00:58:21.160 And I actually think that that's one of the most important things that we can do is sort

00:58:24.480 of equip people who are nominally, at least on our side, with some basic tools to go

00:58:31.340 out and engage with these things.

00:58:33.500 And also just kind of like presenting, okay, here's the issue, informing.

00:58:37.860 I mean, there's a lot that we can do even for people on our side.

00:58:39.740 And I hope that that's one thing.

00:58:40.720 Equipping of the saints is an actual calling.

00:58:43.400 And I, you know, someone said this earlier, Ben, it may have been you, that most people

00:58:47.360 have not actually had to come face to face yet with the reality of the trans movement.

00:58:52.220 It's something they're aware of it.

00:58:53.420 They know somebody who knows somebody who's dealing with it, especially if you don't live

00:58:56.200 in the coastal cities.

00:58:57.120 I think that this film, for a lot of people, this will be their first time to see the real

00:59:02.120 evil that's being foisted on our society.

00:59:04.820 We talk about the kids.

00:59:05.940 That's obviously the most egregious place that it's being foisted, but not the only place

00:59:10.520 that these ideas are being foisted.

00:59:11.740 And they are meant to destroy society.

00:59:15.440 They are meant to destroy social cohesion.

00:59:18.320 They're meant to destroy the world as we know it because they believe that a better world

00:59:21.880 lies on the other side of tearing down the world that we all love and defend.

00:59:26.000 So thank you for making the movie.

00:59:27.560 I can't wait for the audience to see it.

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The Matt Walsh Show - June 02, 2022

Daily Wire Backstage： Premiere of “What is a Woman？”

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