The Matt Walsh Show - Daily Wire Backstage： Red Pillers are Wrong. Marriage is Good.

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, this is Matt Walsh, host of The Matt Walsh Show, and you're about to listen to

00:00:03.080 our newest episode of Backstage with me, Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Andrew Klavan,

00:00:07.080 Michael Knowles, and Jeremy Boring. We'll be talking about the Super Bowl,

00:00:09.940 marriage, so many other interesting topics. Thanks for listening.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to The Daily Wire Backstage. I'm Jeremy Boring, joined by Ben Shapiro,

00:00:42.260 Michael Knowles, Matt Walsh, Andrew Klavan, and Candace Owens. I'm your host, you may not remember

00:00:46.920 me, I've been gone. It's actually been one year, I think, since the last time that I got to do a

00:00:53.700 backstage in my absence. They tried it a few times with the god prince, Michael Knowles. You can't

00:00:57.720 you can't keep that. He's your son. I regret saying it. It didn't go well, so they just

00:01:02.720 canceled the whole damn thing until I got to come back. We're going to do things a little bit

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00:01:29.500 the show became more, a little bit more, I was a DJ, and we were doing news, but you guys

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00:01:55.540 very, very old. It was just me and Ben yelling at each other. I remember those days.

00:02:00.480 What's changed? It was great, yeah. Actually, the very first ones, you guys agreed all the

00:02:04.040 time, and then came the election of 2016, and that's probably why we turned it into a

00:02:09.120 new show. Which we're redoing now, by the way.

00:02:11.580 That's right. We're just back in the election of 2016.

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00:02:35.520 A lot's happened since I was gone. Obviously, my little daughter started using the potty.

00:02:41.260 Drew went to a once-a-week show. Michael launched a cigar brand. It smells delicious.

00:02:49.740 Matt, well, just continued to devolve into paranoid insanity about extraterrestrials occupying

00:02:55.960 the earth. Candace had a kid. Lots of things have changed. Ben never changes. He's just Ben.

00:03:01.700 I mean, I am the number one rapper in America.

00:03:04.280 I was going out of my way not to say that.

00:03:05.180 I know you were. I was going to let that just lie.

00:03:07.040 Dr. Dredel, sitting right next to me.

00:03:08.960 It's over. The magic is over, guys.

00:03:10.460 I am retired from my chosen part.

00:03:12.780 Today, today, Billboard put out that it was the number one rap, the number one selling

00:03:18.000 rap song.

00:03:18.860 And R&B.

00:03:19.540 And R&B.

00:03:20.360 To Billboard number one.

00:03:21.220 To Billboard number one.

00:03:21.620 Because that is my chosen part that I've loved all my life.

00:03:24.800 And number 16 on the Hot 100. I think, legitimately, you owe as much to Tim Poole as-

00:03:31.160 Oh, for sure.

00:03:32.060 As to Tom McDonald. I mean, it's been-

00:03:34.340 Well, to be fair to Tom. I mean, Tom put the whole thing together.

00:03:36.540 But it's been Poole's dream from day one to see anyone on the right chart.

00:03:40.700 And I feel like he had his best week, even though it wasn't his song.

00:03:44.680 I had my worst week because Tim tried this a month ago with Smokey Mike and the God King

00:03:49.380 song, and we did not chart.

00:03:51.480 Yet. Yet.

00:03:53.640 Well, I mean, that's because you guys played actual music, whereas I talked into a camera

00:03:58.880 briefly.

00:03:59.800 Yeah.

00:03:59.980 And, yeah.

00:04:00.900 It's a yarmulke, homie, no cap. It's a great line. And the, you live with your parents,

00:04:07.720 I make stacks on compound interest.

00:04:09.240 Okay, so here's the reality behind this particular story. The compound interest line, I absolutely

00:04:14.800 insisted on being in the song.

00:04:15.960 It's great.

00:04:16.320 I said, I'm not going to even be in this unless I get to drop compound. Originally, my original

00:04:20.240 lyric had EBITDA in there as well. And Tom was like, no, it's too much.

00:04:25.460 Did you write your section? I mean, is that your content?

00:04:28.000 It's a collab. So I did write the compound interest line. The dog, it's a yarmulke,

00:04:33.320 homie, no cap, it's Tom.

00:04:34.440 Really?

00:04:34.920 Yes.

00:04:35.200 That's a good line.

00:04:35.680 Which is a great line.

00:04:36.280 It's a good line.

00:04:37.160 Who came up with Dr. Dreidel? Because I thought that was so funny. I texted you to say how funny

00:04:41.520 it was. Walked out of my office and fell down a flight of stairs. Absolutely true. I did.

00:04:45.960 You barely survived.

00:04:47.260 I barely survived. Yeah.

00:04:48.600 Death can't take this, man.

00:04:49.460 You know, if you want to know what I look like falling down a flight of stairs, true. Go on YouTube

00:04:53.960 and type in, fell down a flight of stairs to his death. And an animation will come up

00:04:58.420 showing exactly what I look like. But that was right after I texted you how funny I thought

00:05:02.820 that was.

00:05:02.940 I mean, there were a bunch of them, right? I mean, there was Judicris, 2 Live 2.

00:05:06.900 Was Dr. Dreidel terrible quality memes?

00:05:09.680 It might have been.

00:05:10.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:11.100 It was not original to me.

00:05:12.440 Jupac was good.

00:05:13.340 It was going around.

00:05:13.860 And the one I take credit for was Meshug Knight, which I felt was...

00:05:16.960 That's pretty good, actually.

00:05:17.940 That's pretty good, actually.

00:05:18.460 Thank you. It played a little softer, but there were a lot.

00:05:22.400 I will say you stayed on beat pretty well. I was impressed.

00:05:26.200 You were auto-tune.

00:05:27.100 So, I mean, to be...

00:05:28.320 There was no melody.

00:05:29.620 No, it's fine. It's a beat. There's a beat.

00:05:31.160 There's a melody. I just wasn't part of the melody. That was part of what Tom was doing.

00:05:34.500 But, I mean, this is what my parents paid for 15 years of classical music training for,

00:05:39.560 was that I wouldn't clap on one and three.

00:05:41.160 You made it so proud.

00:05:41.760 That was pretty much it. And that was my entire shtick, was, can I talk to a beat?

00:05:46.080 And the answer is yes, because I can bow to a beat.

00:05:48.800 Slower than you talk in real life?

00:05:50.300 Much slower.

00:05:50.780 Can I suggest something?

00:05:52.180 I think the next challenge, what I would love to see, is play classical music and make that chart.

00:05:58.120 And I'm serious about it.

00:05:59.880 So, I would love to do that. I would love to do that.

00:06:02.640 Are there classical music charts?

00:06:04.680 There are. And so, my guess is actually it would be super easy to chart on the classical music.

00:06:06.840 Make a classical music piece, the number one billboard.

00:06:10.640 No, you make a classical music piece.

00:06:12.860 On banjo.

00:06:13.760 It's time for a collab, Matt. Bring out the banjo.

00:06:15.740 We'll do country. We'll do bluegrass.

00:06:17.860 I think it could happen. I think it could work.

00:06:20.260 I wrote a song with my best friend about this girl, who we were both in love with in college,

00:06:24.580 called The Queen of 2D Town.

00:06:27.680 And the whole chorus has a very esoteric, steely-dan line about clapping on one and three,

00:06:32.600 and no human on earth other than you would appreciate it.

00:06:35.560 Well, thank you for telling me about it.

00:06:36.580 I'm going to find it. Yeah, I'm going to find it.

00:06:38.500 Send it to you.

00:06:39.180 I don't know. I pretended I know what that means, but I don't.

00:06:41.840 Typically, in 4-4 time, there are four beats to a bar.

00:06:44.100 If you clap on two and four, that's the syncopated rhythm.

00:06:46.540 So typically, if you're listening to rap or jazz, you're going to get the two and the four, right?

00:06:50.860 That's one, two, three, four, right?

00:06:52.680 That's two and four.

00:06:53.680 If you clap on one and three, it sounds like this.

00:06:55.500 One, two, three, four, which is very square.

00:06:57.320 But if you play live music anywhere in America today, and you'll see this.

00:07:03.080 After I tell you this, you'll witness this.

00:07:05.400 Every musician alive fights constantly with their audience, trying to get them to clap on two and four,

00:07:11.440 because the natural thing for a human is to do the uncool thing and clap on one and three.

00:07:16.840 So anyone, it doesn't matter the genre.

00:07:19.280 Whenever we see white people parodically dance, it's because they're clapping.

00:07:22.580 That's the introduction to The Jerk with Steve Martin.

00:07:24.200 Yes, that's exactly right.

00:07:25.140 Where he has to clap on one and three.

00:07:26.960 He has to clap on one and three.

00:07:28.800 One and esoterica to start the show.

00:07:30.480 Yeah.

00:07:30.920 Well, I said it's going to be a different show.

00:07:32.440 This brings me to the next thing that I want to talk about, which is,

00:07:35.400 this is a true thing that happened to me while I was overseas in Hungary.

00:07:38.920 I discovered Taylor Swift.

00:07:41.720 And I discovered Taylor Swift on account of my young daughter discovered the movie Sing,

00:07:45.920 which has the greatest soundtrack probably of any movie ever made.

00:07:49.260 And these two little pigs sing Shake It Off.

00:07:53.040 And I thought, that is a surprisingly catchy tune.

00:07:57.460 I wonder from whence it came.

00:07:59.160 And I Googled as much and was led to this young artist named Taylor Swift.

00:08:03.040 And I watched her music video.

00:08:04.420 And by golly, I think she's going places.

00:08:08.100 You know, she, this is honest to goodness truth.

00:08:11.400 I thought of Candace when I watched it because some people just have it.

00:08:17.660 The thing that can only be described as it.

00:08:20.920 And no one in this room other than Candace has it.

00:08:24.540 Candace has quite a healthy dose of it.

00:08:26.160 You've never heard me sing Shake It Off.

00:08:27.600 Yeah.

00:08:28.440 It's a different experience.

00:08:29.520 You had it.

00:08:31.960 I didn't say no one else.

00:08:33.100 I invented it.

00:08:33.780 I was it.

00:08:35.180 It was just it back then.

00:08:36.720 You gave it the...

00:08:37.400 But I watched this video of Shake It Off.

00:08:40.560 And I watched Taylor Swift.

00:08:41.360 And of course, I was familiar with Taylor Swift.

00:08:42.920 But I legitimately, even now, couldn't name a single other of her songs.

00:08:46.400 Because I'm just at the exact wrong age to have cared about music at the time that she was making it.

00:08:50.900 But she is a genuine star.

00:08:52.540 You watch this video and you're like, my God.

00:08:54.220 She absolutely oozes it.

00:08:57.280 And then this amazing thing.

00:08:58.500 I come back to the country and she's taken over the NFL.

00:09:01.320 She's actually led to the largest ratings in the history of the Super Bowl.

00:09:04.360 Yes.

00:09:05.160 At what point did you realize she was constructed in Langley to subvert the American rights?

00:09:10.260 She's a hologram being controlled by George Soros.

00:09:12.900 I do think that the Taylor Swift thing, the way that the right played the Taylor Swift phenomenon is one of the dumbest I've ever seen.

00:09:22.980 And the fact that...

00:09:23.920 And other people have pointed this out.

00:09:24.940 You have that image of Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift, the football player and the blonde woman hugging after the game.

00:09:30.280 And the fact that some on the right have made that like a liberal coded image is the stupidest unforced error I've ever seen.

00:09:39.540 And obviously, yeah, she's liberal.

00:09:41.140 Travis Kelsey is kind of a tool.

00:09:43.580 He pushes the vax.

00:09:44.520 I understand all of that.

00:09:45.600 But the smarter thing to do is just to say, fine, yeah, that's...

00:09:48.860 We own her.

00:09:49.880 She's a...

00:09:50.820 You know, it's a heterosexual couple.

00:09:52.260 They're going to get married probably.

00:09:54.220 We take on her.

00:09:54.840 I totally agree with this.

00:09:56.660 She might save civilization because a bunch of 30-year-old lonely women who are wine-drinking cat moms

00:10:02.200 are going to suddenly realize that marriage and children are good if she marries Travis Kelsey and has kids.

00:10:06.640 Also, even just the fact of she and Travis Kelsey...

00:10:09.200 That's his name, right?

00:10:09.940 It is.

00:10:10.400 The fact of that he doesn't have it.

00:10:12.720 No.

00:10:12.980 And he didn't have any songs.

00:10:14.140 His brother has it.

00:10:14.680 So I have no idea.

00:10:15.520 Jason has it.

00:10:16.360 Have you seen Jason?

00:10:17.100 No, no, no.

00:10:17.420 I think Jason drank it.

00:10:18.760 Yeah.

00:10:20.160 Nevertheless, they might be conservative.

00:10:21.960 This is the other sort of problem sometimes with how we talk about everything on the right

00:10:26.360 is that we stick a pin in this exact moment.

00:10:28.820 But, you know, people get married and it does change them.

00:10:31.320 It changes their views.

00:10:32.540 Getting married is an actual...

00:10:36.960 It has an actual civilizing effect.

00:10:38.780 If you look at the demographic numbers in any election, single women all vote left

00:10:44.220 and married women tend to vote right.

00:10:46.740 So, you know, we might at least hope that in the act of them having this relationship...

00:10:54.360 Well, there's two things come up.

00:10:56.980 When he opened the door for her to get into the limousine, he actually pushed the bodyguard

00:11:01.900 aside and opened the door.

00:11:03.160 Women swooned.

00:11:04.560 I mean, it was amazing.

00:11:06.140 Oh, look, like, that's what I want.

00:11:07.840 There are two great Twitter accounts that explain this phenomenon.

00:11:11.960 Obviously, I get all my modern philosophy from Twitter.

00:11:14.180 And one of the great living modern philosophers, Edmund Smirk, whose avatar is a picture of

00:11:18.940 Edmund Burke, but kind of like smiling with sunglasses.

00:11:21.060 And he calls it Swiftian normality, which is what we want.

00:11:25.140 We want to not be freaks.

00:11:26.600 We want Swiftian normality.

00:11:27.900 Pretty girl, dates the football player, they get married, they have kids.

00:11:30.400 That's really good.

00:11:31.080 Another Twitter account who I think...

00:11:32.440 I think he's a Marxist, but maybe like a right-wing Marxist.

00:11:35.340 I don't know.

00:11:35.860 Logo Daedalus.

00:11:37.080 He pointed out the reason why we're such freaks about this is because today the conservative

00:11:43.340 party is the liberals, right?

00:11:45.980 The party that controls the institutions, the party that is now defending the NFL, for

00:11:50.360 goodness sakes.

00:11:51.020 It's all the liberals who are doing that.

00:11:52.720 The conservatives are the ones who are completely out of power.

00:11:55.400 We have nothing to do with the political establishment, the status quo.

00:11:58.180 So oddly enough, now the conservatives are the revolutionary force in American politics.

00:12:02.980 And as a consequence, sometimes we act like freaks when the pretty girl dates the football

00:12:06.600 player.

00:12:06.740 And meanwhile, in the NFL, and I'm an NFL fan, so I'm a little bit biased, but this is another

00:12:12.080 area where conservatives have a major unforced error.

00:12:15.700 Many of these football players are extremely conservative.

00:12:18.340 Yes, they are.

00:12:18.820 And very religious.

00:12:20.560 I mean, the things that they'll say, it's very common to have NFL stars, bona fide stars,

00:12:25.700 stand up in the podium at the press conference after the game and say, you know, I want to

00:12:29.240 begin by giving glory to Christ.

00:12:31.180 By the way, both starring QBs in the Super Bowl.

00:12:32.840 Both of them.

00:12:33.180 Yeah, I mean, they will give glory to God in these really intense, personal, powerful

00:12:38.660 ways.

00:12:39.500 And rather than celebrating that and saying, wow, this is incredible, we've turned, you

00:12:43.440 know, we have to find a problem with it.

00:12:45.180 In fairness, it only worked out for one of them.

00:12:47.200 That's true.

00:12:47.960 God didn't want the other one to work.

00:12:48.860 If it was a cynical play.

00:12:50.700 But it will be fascinating to see, honestly, if Taylor Swift does write a song about marriage

00:12:56.020 and children.

00:12:56.840 Because that'll be the real break for her, right?

00:12:58.140 Because she's been writing teeny bopper stuff since she was like-

00:13:00.480 Well, she keeps getting dumped by these lotherios.

00:13:02.180 Or she's dumping them, right?

00:13:04.400 I mean, she's 35.

00:13:05.900 My big critique of Taylor Swift has been that she's 35, but every song sounds like she's

00:13:09.080 17.

00:13:09.440 Yeah.

00:13:09.860 Right?

00:13:10.040 That everyone was tweeting out the meme from High School Musical of like Zac Efron and

00:13:13.940 the girl in High School Musical, whose name I can't remember, singing to each other.

00:13:16.660 And it's like, right, but that's High School Musical?

00:13:18.640 And she's the age of like my wife, who has four children.

00:13:21.880 Right.

00:13:22.100 And so it just shows how we've delayed marriage in the society to the point where like mid-30s

00:13:27.020 marriage is now considered normal and healthy as opposed to when mid-20s marriage was considered

00:13:31.960 normal and healthy for women and even younger.

00:13:34.260 And so it will be fascinating to see how her audience reacts to if she gets married and

00:13:39.320 has kids.

00:13:40.080 Her starting to sing songs not about kind of these teenage-y feelings of breaking up and

00:13:45.400 first romance, but like a mature relationship with a human being that lasts longer than six

00:13:49.780 months and results in children, it actually could be a seriously powerful cultural form.

00:13:53.920 I hope that's the direction she moves.

00:13:55.160 Yeah, because otherwise she turns into Madonna.

00:13:56.620 She's dressing like that for the rest of her life as she's falling apart with just the

00:14:00.400 costume is moving around the stage.

00:14:03.460 I was just going to say, I don't think they're getting married.

00:14:06.920 I didn't want to like burst in my bubble.

00:14:08.680 It seems like you really were hoping.

00:14:09.500 Is it all in hope?

00:14:10.260 We can dream all in.

00:14:11.060 She's Taylor Swift and he's Travis Kelsey.

00:14:12.880 Like, I mean, that's why they're not getting married.

00:14:14.480 She only has relationships.

00:14:16.160 I mean, she was just dating a guy five minutes ago, Matt Healy, and she said she had never

00:14:19.700 been happier in her life, and then she dumped him after.

00:14:22.420 But that guy was a total cock, wasn't he?

00:14:23.420 Because her fans didn't like him, she dumped him, and now she's back into this other, like,

00:14:27.860 obviously Taylor Swift is crazy.

00:14:29.040 I mean, I just want to like, obviously the problem is not the guy.

00:14:31.980 She's a baby.

00:14:32.520 She's going to hate me.

00:14:36.840 Well played.

00:14:37.960 But I mean, obviously, if you've seen what she's even done in business and how she tries

00:14:43.120 to manipulate her audiences, like, to get out of, like, deals and contracts, like, she's

00:14:48.040 totally insane.

00:14:48.700 Like, she's the most toxic feminist that's ever existed, and what she does is basically

00:14:53.800 the threat is that if she doesn't get what she wants, she writes a song about a guy and

00:14:57.180 then has 15 million girls singing the songs and drops little clues so they know who it's

00:15:02.240 about.

00:15:02.500 I mean, it's totally psychotic, if you really think about it.

00:15:04.020 But wait, it was-

00:15:04.420 I don't think you appreciate how psychotic that is, that you can't date her for two weeks

00:15:07.760 without her writing a song about you.

00:15:09.560 I mean, what she did to John Mayer as well, it was like, I literally did nothing to her.

00:15:13.960 Like, we went on one date and I didn't deserve this.

00:15:16.000 And then there's a bunch of, like, 10-year-old girls whose brains are not developed who then

00:15:21.180 go and attack whoever it is.

00:15:22.460 Like, Scooter Braun's family, his young kids, literally had to go into hiding and get security

00:15:26.700 because Taylor Swift wanted out of the deal that he legally purchased her catalog of music.

00:15:31.300 And she wrote this, you have to go find it on Tumblr, this, like, glorious rephrasing

00:15:35.840 of basically, like, my dad signed a contract, a legally binding contract for me when I was

00:15:40.900 15.

00:15:41.740 He now has the catalog because he purchased it.

00:15:43.680 And she was just like, you know, as a woman, I sat on the floor and I wrote these songs.

00:15:47.440 And then they tried to kill Scooter Braun's family.

00:15:49.240 And he did nothing wrong other than purchase the catalog.

00:15:52.400 And he only had it for, like, six months before he let somebody else purchase it.

00:15:55.320 But, like, she hated Scooter Braun.

00:15:56.560 This is a room full of Swifties you're talking about.

00:15:58.300 No, guys, I'm sorry.

00:15:58.940 I'm sorry, like, I just, like, obviously she's not going to marry.

00:16:00.980 And Travis Kelsey.

00:16:01.560 I was going to wear myself.

00:16:02.260 She goes to some science.

00:16:03.700 Travis Kelsey has exclusively only dated black girls.

00:16:06.440 He had a whole show only dating black girls.

00:16:07.900 This is not even his type.

00:16:08.720 He just realized that this is, like, a good business move for him.

00:16:11.800 And it is.

00:16:12.240 It's a genius business move for him.

00:16:13.140 Can I ask you?

00:16:13.500 Can I ask you?

00:16:13.620 But this is going to be one album and then it's over.

00:16:15.420 I totally agree with her now.

00:16:16.400 I got to go with it.

00:16:17.180 I'm sorry.

00:16:17.840 I didn't mean to be, like, depressing about it.

00:16:19.840 But, like, it's one album.

00:16:20.900 And he's not going back to, like, he's not going from, like, black girls to, like, Taylor Swift.

00:16:24.160 This is, like, a business move.

00:16:24.960 Because when you.

00:16:27.260 It's a scientific fact.

00:16:29.240 We have to pull up the articles.

00:16:30.940 We will.

00:16:31.420 The science has been done.

00:16:32.940 Trust the science.

00:16:34.460 You don't go back.

00:16:35.620 Do you agree?

00:16:36.460 I basically agree with everything you're saying about Taylor Swift.

00:16:39.480 She is awful.

00:16:40.520 I think calling her the most toxic feminist ever is quite a statement.

00:16:45.060 Toxic feminism is when you use being, it's like Kesha, Taylor Swift, they've been doing this.

00:16:49.940 It's a new breed of feminism.

00:16:51.300 She's a new breed.

00:16:52.200 Yeah, I agree.

00:16:52.420 I'm writing an entire book on this.

00:16:54.080 It's like the Lena Dunham school of thought.

00:16:55.760 She literally said Lena Dunham taught me feminism.

00:16:57.900 Which basically means that you can get whatever you want so long as you're able to sell to people that you're a victim because you're a woman.

00:17:03.780 And she has done it to the tune of a billion dollars.

00:17:06.240 I agree.

00:17:06.500 Like, she re-recorded her catalog and resold the same album because Scooter Braun legally purchased her catalog.

00:17:12.500 Her dad was sitting on the board of the company.

00:17:14.940 And she said, I didn't know it was getting sold.

00:17:16.860 You didn't know it was getting sold?

00:17:17.680 Your dad is sitting on the board of the company.

00:17:19.760 What are you talking about?

00:17:20.520 But eight-year-old girls don't understand business.

00:17:22.620 So they then just tried to kill Scooter Braun.

00:17:24.360 You don't think she's going a little baby crazy, though?

00:17:26.160 And just...

00:17:26.480 No, no.

00:17:26.740 Her ovaries are going crazy.

00:17:27.800 She wants a baby.

00:17:28.480 This guy Healy...

00:17:28.840 He might get a baby.

00:17:29.620 That's a very...

00:17:30.640 Was Healy the one who made her like a permanent girlfriend?

00:17:33.740 Was Healy the one where they dated for like five years or something?

00:17:36.340 Who?

00:17:36.860 No, no, no.

00:17:37.380 Healy was the one she was...

00:17:38.200 The six years one was the London guy who didn't want any press.

00:17:40.080 That's what I'm thinking of.

00:17:40.980 Then she had a relationship right after that.

00:17:42.420 Oh.

00:17:42.620 And she burned the guy that she was with him for six years.

00:17:46.640 She burned him.

00:17:47.740 Then dated Matt Healy.

00:17:48.660 But then her fans freaked out because Matt Healy is kind of based.

00:17:52.260 And like he made fun of Ice Spice.

00:17:53.820 And her fans were like, this is racist.

00:17:55.700 Okay, then I rescind calling him a cuck.

00:17:57.180 Is that why Ice Spice was a cuck?

00:17:57.500 The five-year one is a cuck?

00:17:58.380 Yes, because Taylor Swift fucked her like a psycho.

00:18:00.740 He's the cuck.

00:18:01.140 To do a PR move.

00:18:02.200 That's a psychotic PR move.

00:18:03.320 I have to say that's the only thing that made Taylor Swift even palatable to me at the Super Bowl

00:18:08.720 was the fact that Ice Spice was next to her.

00:18:10.360 Because Ice Spice, not knowing what football was and being lectured by Taylor Swift

00:18:14.700 and then celebrating as though she like totally knew what football was by the end of the game.

00:18:18.280 It was entertaining to me just in that sense.

00:18:20.700 Because the only person more inauthentic than Taylor Swift in that box might have been Ice Spice.

00:18:25.100 Yeah.

00:18:25.360 But this is like...

00:18:26.880 That's how they make you friends.

00:18:27.200 I didn't know enough about Taylor Swift.

00:18:28.380 I got to admit.

00:18:28.820 That he said something racist.

00:18:29.600 Her fans freaked out.

00:18:30.700 They said it was racist.

00:18:31.480 He was just joking on a podcast.

00:18:32.440 He's kind of really into like the topic of masculinity and he's actually quite interesting

00:18:36.780 even though he dated Taylor Swift.

00:18:37.900 But her fans dug up old stuff and said he's a racist and it also turns out that he was

00:18:41.520 watching like really gross black porn and her fans dig this up and then Ice Spice, they

00:18:46.740 were like, how could you let him say this about Ice Spice?

00:18:48.500 So Taylor Swift just like went and plucked Ice Spice up as a friend and took her to the

00:18:51.980 Super Bowl.

00:18:52.340 Like that's totally psychotic.

00:18:53.260 Can I ask you this?

00:18:53.740 I got to get a question.

00:18:54.880 I have to get it out.

00:18:55.720 We're all being informed.

00:18:57.060 Yeah.

00:18:57.840 Well, I didn't realize that...

00:18:59.160 So you're the Taylor Swift biographer.

00:19:01.780 I didn't realize that.

00:19:03.440 What do you...

00:19:04.360 So she is awful.

00:19:05.300 Total agreement.

00:19:06.100 And Travis Kelsey is a total tool.

00:19:07.880 And I despise him and the Kansas City Chief.

00:19:09.520 Hold on.

00:19:09.880 I got a different...

00:19:10.840 But hold on.

00:19:11.520 Do you agree that as a political strategy, do you agree that it's a bad political strategy

00:19:18.620 for the right to go after her and try to demonize her?

00:19:21.980 Best strategies?

00:19:22.600 Either to just ignore her or say, okay, she's going to get married.

00:19:26.180 Great.

00:19:26.580 Fantastic.

00:19:27.160 Not a problem.

00:19:27.900 I have no problem with that.

00:19:28.740 But I just want to also let you know they're not getting married.

00:19:30.220 No, but...

00:19:30.620 Okay.

00:19:30.640 So I'm...

00:19:30.920 But I'm also...

00:19:32.880 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:19:33.860 I'm also right.

00:19:34.660 You're also right.

00:19:35.220 But I think...

00:19:36.220 Here's the thing.

00:19:37.100 I had...

00:19:37.800 You guys don't know this, but this is absolutely true.

00:19:39.500 I had a brief sojourn in the music business when I was...

00:19:41.280 When you dated Taylor Swift.

00:19:43.360 I'm the only man who has not dated Taylor Swift, I believe.

00:19:46.820 And it was proverbial that female pop singers were insane.

00:19:51.080 I mean, it was like...

00:19:52.060 You know, people would say, oh, he's crazy as a female pop singer.

00:19:54.860 They're all like this.

00:19:55.900 But I don't think it matters because the NFL is just a big image that you see and you see

00:20:00.760 it for today and nobody's going to remember the whole thing.

00:20:04.100 It's just we should have played the image.

00:20:05.980 Do we accredit to Taylor Swift the unbelievable ratings or do we give that win to the fact

00:20:13.120 that they very deliberately tried to make it less political?

00:20:15.580 I'll tell you what that is.

00:20:16.940 That's 100% gambling.

00:20:18.720 Yes.

00:20:19.180 The reason...

00:20:19.880 And that's just the fact.

00:20:21.020 The reason why the NFL...

00:20:21.980 Well, people love football.

00:20:23.260 It's an American sport.

00:20:24.220 But why are the ratings 7% up?

00:20:26.020 Because of gambling.

00:20:26.760 They recently legalized sports gambling.

00:20:28.960 You can do it online.

00:20:30.520 And I lost more money than I will admit to on air this season.

00:20:37.260 But that's what it is.

00:20:38.520 It's because of sports gambling.

00:20:39.720 You can gamble on every single aspect of the game.

00:20:41.940 There was one other thing, which is that there was an artificial dip in the NFL ratings

00:20:45.800 because of all the woke crap.

00:20:47.160 So because of all the woke crap, a bunch of people, including me...

00:20:49.280 So you think it's just this.

00:20:50.060 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:50.520 So there was this U shape, and then it jumped back up.

00:20:53.700 And then, yeah, Taylor has something to do with it in the sense that, like, my wife,

00:20:56.560 who doesn't care at all about this stuff, and she doesn't even care about Taylor Swift,

00:20:59.560 but she's like, why is everyone talking about Taylor Swift?

00:21:01.280 And so even, like, if I'd been watching the Super Bowl and Taylor Swift was not part of it,

00:21:04.480 she would have walked by and never looked at the TV.

00:21:05.740 In fairness...

00:21:06.260 And here she kind of randomly looked at the TV.

00:21:07.400 I hosted a Super Bowl party this year in my house, and in years past, it's hard to keep

00:21:14.160 the wives engaged.

00:21:15.220 And this year, the wives all stayed up there and were watching the game with us.

00:21:18.380 And I asked at one point, is this because of Taylor Swift?

00:21:21.320 And one of the wives informed me that no, it was because of Usher.

00:21:24.880 That's a true story.

00:21:25.740 That performance, not good.

00:21:29.620 Alicia Keys was worse.

00:21:30.760 Alicia Keys was like a capping run over by a cement mixer.

00:21:33.880 Yeah, but...

00:21:34.320 My goodness, that was bad.

00:21:34.800 Usher, he sounded like...

00:21:35.880 They fixed it, do you know this?

00:21:36.420 They did.

00:21:37.080 He sounded like a 45-year-old man trying to dance and sing at the same time, which is

00:21:40.340 what he is.

00:21:41.160 But he can roller skate.

00:21:42.320 I thought...

00:21:43.320 This is another place where I think that we reject culture too fast.

00:21:48.040 I was shocked by what...

00:21:49.060 That guy freaking dances like Michael Jackson.

00:21:51.120 He's 45 years old.

00:21:51.960 He's a good dancer.

00:21:52.500 And it was amazing.

00:21:53.320 I thought so, too.

00:21:54.160 I didn't watch one minute of the Super Bowl.

00:21:55.620 What?

00:21:56.020 So I just want to be honest.

00:21:56.980 You're the one who cares about the culture the most.

00:21:58.640 No, I already know what's going to happen with Taylor Swift, so I didn't need to watch

00:22:00.680 the Super Bowl.

00:22:02.920 And you knew he wouldn't propose.

00:22:04.360 I did watch the first minute of Usher's performance, and I was like, yeah, these are

00:22:07.600 all the old hits, so I'm glad that he did that.

00:22:09.600 And there was nothing...

00:22:10.280 Wait, Candace, you know what the meaning is?

00:22:11.120 There was no satanic meaning.

00:22:11.980 So for me, a win at the halftime performance is no satanic meaning, no political message,

00:22:17.620 and not too many ass cheeks.

00:22:19.800 Did you not watch and stand, though, for the Black National Anthem?

00:22:23.600 I did.

00:22:24.320 I watched the Black National Anthem the next day, because I just can't believe we're

00:22:28.240 still doing this.

00:22:28.780 By the way, I think it's...

00:22:29.640 I'm not joking.

00:22:30.340 I think it is now the Negro National Anthem.

00:22:32.300 No, yeah.

00:22:32.700 According to a Tennessee congressman, he just went out there and...

00:22:35.780 Really?

00:22:36.180 He tweeted in defense.

00:22:37.660 He was like, why is no one standing for the Negro?

00:22:40.340 And I was like, oh, we're really going back.

00:22:42.620 Okay.

00:22:43.240 It's happening.

00:22:43.600 We're going to learn the Negroes again.

00:22:44.600 It's happening.

00:22:46.080 That was...

00:22:46.720 What do we...

00:22:47.320 As far...

00:22:47.920 I just didn't understand anything that was going on during the halftime show, to be honest

00:22:51.380 with you.

00:22:51.820 Oh, no.

00:22:52.060 I didn't understand.

00:22:52.560 I didn't understand.

00:22:53.120 Suddenly, he was wearing three layers, and then suddenly the middle layer was mithril.

00:22:56.880 And then all of a sudden, he was bare-chested and dancing like Terry Crews.

00:23:00.060 Hey, if you look like that bare-chested at 45 years old on roller skates, I'm just saying.

00:23:04.880 I've never listened to a single note.

00:23:06.060 I can't name a...

00:23:06.700 I can name one Taylor Swift song and zero Usher songs.

00:23:09.420 I have one rule for...

00:23:09.880 And I still thought...

00:23:10.480 I thought it was...

00:23:11.160 He deserves it.

00:23:11.680 I thought when they said it was Usher, I thought it was going to be the guy who dusts

00:23:13.940 off your seat before you sat down.

00:23:15.820 I was also wondering, like...

00:23:18.140 I do admire that Lil Jon showed up, and he is famous for saying four words.

00:23:24.780 That is literally his entire career.

00:23:26.160 Turn down for what?

00:23:27.260 And he said them.

00:23:28.360 He did.

00:23:28.900 He yelled them extremely loud, and people went crazy because they loved turning down for what.

00:23:32.540 And where were you?

00:23:33.160 Imagine if, though...

00:23:34.880 They didn't even let us at the Grammys.

00:23:36.900 Yeah.

00:23:37.160 They didn't even let us at the Grammys.

00:23:38.000 By the way, we tried hard to get on the Grammys.

00:23:39.720 Oh, absolutely.

00:23:40.700 Are you kidding?

00:23:41.200 Were we going to give up that troll?

00:23:42.320 By the way, that would have been...

00:23:43.540 Is Nicki Minaj a crypto conservative?

00:23:46.520 They think that everybody on this show is a crypto fan of Nicki Minaj.

00:23:50.720 Have you ever followed the online chatter?

00:23:51.620 I'm an explicit fan.

00:23:52.780 And I just...

00:23:53.280 I said that to you.

00:23:54.240 I said I'm explicitly...

00:23:55.160 We're explicitly...

00:23:55.400 I'm an exoteric fan of...

00:23:57.240 Yeah.

00:23:57.560 ...of the Daily Wire.

00:23:58.460 Again?

00:23:58.760 Against Megan...

00:23:59.220 I'm a barb.

00:23:59.800 Against Hardy B and Megan Thee Stallion.

00:24:01.220 And Megan Thee Stallion?

00:24:02.260 Thee Stallion?

00:24:03.260 Thee Stallion?

00:24:04.220 Yeah.

00:24:04.460 Thee Stallion?

00:24:04.760 Thee Stallion is thee.

00:24:05.360 Well, that was really your best.

00:24:06.560 That was your best.

00:24:07.180 That was one of my best.

00:24:07.640 It's still my best.

00:24:08.140 It was truly the best Ben Shapiro tweet of all time.

00:24:11.420 I think it was the funniest thing I had ever seen on the Daily Wire.

00:24:15.580 I still laugh about it.

00:24:16.660 Well, the tweet.

00:24:17.620 Are you talking about the song?

00:24:18.360 No, I was talking about his performance.

00:24:19.360 The tweet...

00:24:20.080 I was talking about his performance.

00:24:20.980 The tweet...

00:24:21.040 The tweet surpassed the song.

00:24:23.140 The tweet was excellent.

00:24:23.700 In every way.

00:24:24.500 Yeah.

00:24:24.700 So basically, as we were climbing the billboard charts, and we were passing everybody,

00:24:28.340 and Megan Thee Stallion, two E's, was next in line.

00:24:31.420 And so I tweeted at Megan Thee Stallion, hey, Megan, we're coming for thee.

00:24:38.440 That's Hall of Fame.

00:24:39.560 That's pretty good.

00:24:41.260 That's the best tweet of all time.

00:24:43.540 Yes, because why are there two E's?

00:24:45.620 Stop ruining everything.

00:24:47.280 Yes.

00:24:48.020 Stop ruining something, too.

00:24:49.240 Literally his job.

00:24:50.820 100%.

00:24:51.260 The access of evil.

00:24:52.960 The access of wet blank.

00:24:53.940 I'll be honest.

00:24:55.500 Let's do it.

00:24:56.520 So all of this Taylor Swift isn't just in service of having a conversation about

00:25:01.420 culture.

00:25:04.960 He's going to go back to Joe Biden dying in office.

00:25:06.520 I also want to talk about Joe Biden, who's probably going to die in office.

00:25:08.940 No.

00:25:09.640 No, I want to talk about marriage.

00:25:11.120 Like, this is the big, you know, I think one of the great conversations we ever had

00:25:14.260 on this panel was about marriage.

00:25:16.780 One of the ones that I got the most positive feedback about from people who felt like it

00:25:19.900 really edified them.

00:25:21.480 But there's a real move on parts of the right to oppose marriage now.

00:25:27.080 It's run by the ostensible red pill crowd, which, you know, it's interesting how the

00:25:31.000 meaning of red pill has evolved over the last five years to essentially now mean, I would

00:25:37.960 say anti-woman.

00:25:38.780 They would say pro-man, but I think it's far beyond pro-man.

00:25:41.820 I think it's decidedly anti-woman in many ways.

00:25:43.760 And you see people who, I think some of them are bad actors who are peddling, but then

00:25:49.140 you also see people like Pearly Things who, I don't know Pearl, I don't know if she's

00:25:53.620 a bad actor or not.

00:25:54.540 I kind of get the sense that maybe she's just a naive person being kind of dragged along

00:25:59.100 out of half desire to be famous and half probably hasn't read a book.

00:26:03.640 And half of that I can relate to.

00:26:07.420 And the other half you can also relate to.

00:26:09.180 But I do think it's this interesting question that is harder to talk about in one-on-one

00:26:16.020 settings that might be a fit this format, just to talk about what is the role of men

00:26:22.540 and women, what is the role of marriage in a society that has essentially turned its

00:26:27.280 back on the concept of marriage that is legally encoded anti-man policies into our legal code.

00:26:36.720 And then abolish the definition of marriage.

00:26:37.600 Abolish the definition of marriage.

00:26:38.560 It's not anti-man, they've abolished difference.

00:26:41.960 They've abolished the difference between men.

00:26:43.240 The distinction itself.

00:26:44.060 You know, I just went on the Whatever podcast for my, I think it's now my like 28th hour

00:26:49.160 on that show.

00:26:49.980 That was six hours.

00:26:51.900 After a three-hour debate on the show.

00:26:54.620 So I did.

00:26:55.100 That was a separate thing?

00:26:55.760 Yeah, I did nine hours.

00:26:56.640 So you did nine hours?

00:26:57.280 Basically, it was great.

00:26:57.960 But it was worth it.

00:26:59.720 How?

00:27:00.180 Why?

00:27:00.220 It was great.

00:27:00.800 It was great.

00:27:01.180 I really love that show.

00:27:02.380 I love it.

00:27:03.080 You got almost every question.

00:27:04.940 When I did it the first time.

00:27:08.020 You couldn't pay me, you'd pay me a million dollars, I wouldn't pay me.

00:27:09.660 No, I love it.

00:27:10.180 Because the girl, these poor girls, man.

00:27:11.840 The whole thing with that show, which is why it's so funny, is the, you get the girls.

00:27:15.340 Hold on, I'll pay you $10,000.

00:27:18.800 You're really going to do it.

00:27:19.880 You're like 11.

00:27:20.620 No, the thing with that show that makes it very funny is guys go on, and they make fun

00:27:24.980 of these girls who have OnlyFans, who are like 18 and don't know anything.

00:27:28.380 And then the guys completely destroy them, and then the girls look like dummies, and

00:27:32.320 then the clip goes viral.

00:27:33.400 And I felt it would be wrong to do that.

00:27:36.440 I felt I might get a lot of views, but I might also burn in hell for eternity, and I thought

00:27:41.020 about it for a moment, and then I thought, no, okay, I won't do it.

00:27:43.700 And so I went on.

00:27:44.440 You also have a rule.

00:27:45.120 Never give the audience what they want.

00:27:46.300 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:47.180 Never, like, I went on a great discourse about the Treaty of Augsburg, actually.

00:27:53.160 So I go on there, and I just felt it's not these girls' fault.

00:27:57.040 All of them have some weird family situation.

00:27:59.760 None of them, we live in a culture that teaches them a ton of lies.

00:28:02.180 They don't, they have no education.

00:28:04.040 Even if they went to good schools, they have no education.

00:28:05.940 So I felt, okay, let's just talk about what's really going on here.

00:28:09.600 And they're victims of feminism, and the red pill guys are victims of feminism.

00:28:13.740 And the irony about the red pill guys, I sympathize with them a lot of ways.

00:28:18.040 The family courts are totally stacked against dudes.

00:28:20.160 The culture promotes divorce and abolish the definition of marriage and blah, blah, blah.

00:28:24.160 But the red pill guys are feminists.

00:28:27.720 Their sense of men and women is basically, it's just that men and women are interchangeable.

00:28:33.460 Yes.

00:28:33.980 And go around, screw around, you owe nothing to women.

00:28:36.500 If it's good for women, it's good for men.

00:28:38.280 And that's just a lie.

00:28:39.560 You know, the fundamental unit of society is actually not the individual.

00:28:45.040 Right.

00:28:45.200 I love individual rights.

00:28:46.740 It's good to be an individual.

00:28:48.240 The fundamental unit of society is the family.

00:28:50.900 It's men and women together who have a love that becomes so real that you make more people.

00:28:55.620 Well, to have an atom, you have to have a proton and an electron, right?

00:28:59.060 So it's like a man is a proton.

00:29:01.560 Like, very important, but essentially nothing until it's unified.

00:29:05.060 To have an atom, you need to have an Eve.

00:29:07.100 That's where I thought he was going.

00:29:08.160 That's where I thought he was going, too.

00:29:08.980 And then I thought he was going to go for the Steve thing.

00:29:11.260 And I thought I was just going to go.

00:29:12.460 That's why I.

00:29:13.040 Not Steve.

00:29:14.920 I've always.

00:29:16.040 Two protons and Adam does not make.

00:29:18.640 I dare say.

00:29:19.840 I've always, with the red pill, you know, and I've been in many altercations with the red.

00:29:26.060 I've run afoul of the red pill crowd many times talking about these issues.

00:29:29.720 And the question I've always had for them that they've never answered, and I'd love to hear an answer from many of them,

00:29:33.740 is that, you know, because I agree with 95% of their criticisms, as you point out, the family courts and how it's stacked against men and so on and so forth.

00:29:42.860 What's the other option?

00:29:44.200 Like, okay, we agree with all that.

00:29:47.360 And so then men should just be alone and give up on their bloodline and die, and their bloodline is extinguished.

00:29:57.280 Like, what you are suggesting is despair.

00:30:00.520 You are telling men.

00:30:01.520 Men are already feeling despair.

00:30:03.240 They're feeling meaninglessness.

00:30:04.620 They're feeling lost.

00:30:05.560 They're feeling alone.

00:30:06.920 They're feeling like everything's stacked against them.

00:30:08.420 And so your answer to them is, yeah, well, just be in despair and then die.

00:30:14.280 And my point is that that's just not an okay answer.

00:30:17.640 That can't be the answer.

00:30:18.680 And have lots and lots of sex.

00:30:20.160 Well, but that's the sterile sex.

00:30:21.340 That's what you say.

00:30:21.940 Although not as much as a married man.

00:30:24.440 But this is what you were saying, is that that's how it turns to the anti-woman.

00:30:27.800 Yeah.

00:30:27.940 Because it's not about the despair.

00:30:29.680 The way that you find meaning is then by disparaging the people who have victimized you.

00:30:33.840 In any victim-victimizer sort of narrative, when there is no actual victim and victimizer

00:30:40.640 and it has to be sort of put together artificially, then the person who self-perceives as the

00:30:45.540 victim is very likely to then strike out at the person who they perceive as the victimizer.

00:30:49.940 And so for a lot of the red pill men who perceive the woman, the great woman, as the victimizer,

00:30:54.280 the idea is that you lash out at women by having lots of sex with random girls and basically

00:30:59.300 treating them like trash.

00:31:00.640 And it's okay because they said that it's okay with them.

00:31:02.340 I've never understood the argument that it relieves you of responsibility for treating

00:31:06.700 a woman well just because the woman has consented to be treated badly.

00:31:09.660 But he's right about the despair.

00:31:11.440 This is permeating the right.

00:31:13.340 It permeates the politics of the right.

00:31:15.200 The idea is basically it's all over.

00:31:16.940 They think of people basically, Ben, like you and me, as sitting on an ice flow kind of

00:31:21.420 floating out as the ice melts away because we're sitting around thinking about civil debate

00:31:27.120 and constitutional governance.

00:31:30.200 And they think that's all over now.

00:31:31.940 And their despair permeates the right.

00:31:35.360 And I listen to a lot of these young guys and they're talking about bringing back monarchy.

00:31:39.300 They're talking about, you know, yeah, their king.

00:31:41.460 I know.

00:31:41.920 What?

00:31:42.160 I didn't say anything.

00:31:42.920 I didn't say anything.

00:31:44.300 I think it happened to me.

00:31:45.200 Yeah, you know, but you had monarchy.

00:31:46.620 It's not that great.

00:31:47.400 You know, it actually isn't.

00:31:48.040 You know, if you think if you think our elections are bad, when you see the beheadings, you

00:31:52.540 know, because that's how most of the kings of England were killed.

00:31:55.340 Yeah, I know.

00:31:55.800 I mean, that's fine.

00:31:57.040 I'm not saying we need an imam or a sheikh, you know, or like a sultan.

00:32:01.040 I'm just, you know.

00:32:01.720 Wait, am I missing this?

00:32:02.920 What is the Red Pill no marriage thing?

00:32:05.560 I feel like I'm pretty in there.

00:32:06.620 Oh, yeah.

00:32:06.940 Oh, yeah.

00:32:07.380 No, it's a big deal.

00:32:07.980 Am I missing?

00:32:08.600 I feel like I totally missed this.

00:32:10.240 That's their whole position.

00:32:11.720 They think that marriage is a...

00:32:13.200 What men are anti-marriage?

00:32:15.740 Well, yeah, that's the point.

00:32:16.580 They shouldn't be, you know, but it's...

00:32:18.460 No, but he's right.

00:32:19.160 This is true.

00:32:19.780 All the guys that pop up in our Twitter feed...

00:32:21.520 But tell me.

00:32:21.940 I'm actually missing this.

00:32:22.900 I didn't know the marriage thing.

00:32:24.240 I'm very pro-marriage.

00:32:25.180 Pearl made that argument.

00:32:26.520 Yes.

00:32:26.760 Okay.

00:32:27.040 The argument, literally, men should not get married.

00:32:29.240 Okay.

00:32:29.540 Because the institution...

00:32:30.140 But are men listening to that?

00:32:31.480 Like, are men saying that men shouldn't get married?

00:32:32.940 Or is that a woman saying that a man shouldn't get married?

00:32:35.060 Well, Pearl...

00:32:36.060 I think that there are examples of men saying it as well.

00:32:38.600 But I think Pearl is sort of a prominent...

00:32:42.060 One of the prominent voices.

00:32:43.440 A lot of the people I hear...

00:32:44.780 But she's not married.

00:32:45.440 No, no, no.

00:32:45.840 Yeah.

00:32:46.100 Okay.

00:32:46.360 So then that...

00:32:46.840 I think that's...

00:32:47.520 First, that's a huge thing, right?

00:32:49.060 I mean, obviously, it's like listening to people that don't have kids tell you why you shouldn't

00:32:51.760 have kids.

00:32:52.240 Like, it doesn't really work, right?

00:32:53.800 Because when you're telling them about what changes inside of you when you get married,

00:32:57.500 and I think it's very easy to gravitate towards that.

00:32:59.860 That is a feminist message, not to get married.

00:33:01.460 And if her argument is, if your quarrel is with the courts, I could agree with you.

00:33:05.200 Like, you know, the courts have done tons of things that are awful that I just...

00:33:07.480 I don't even agree necessarily with the courts taking marriage at all.

00:33:10.720 It was a church thing, and they took it.

00:33:12.040 And this is how we ended up with gay marriage rights, which I'm very much opposed to.

00:33:15.660 Well, I would say that a big part of the red pill thing that we would all probably agree

00:33:19.600 with is they diagnose actual problems.

00:33:23.540 Right.

00:33:24.020 So when Pearl or other people in the movement come along and say, this is a major problem

00:33:27.820 in society, I almost always agree with them.

00:33:30.280 It's when they get to the prescription that I think that it falls apart.

00:33:33.120 The prescription being, you know, lashing out at women generally or embracing despair

00:33:37.320 or kind of nihilism.

00:33:38.240 That's a feminist message.

00:33:39.360 I mean, fundamentally, to be anti-family, I don't understand how you could identify as

00:33:45.000 a conservative at all.

00:33:46.040 Because everything that the left is trying to do, every Marxist principle, every feminist

00:33:50.760 principle is about disrupting, you know, the family unit.

00:33:53.460 It connects everything from the climate change lobby to don't have kids, the planet's going

00:33:57.480 to die, to feminism, you know, be like men, we should be like men.

00:34:01.560 It's all a disruption of the family unit.

00:34:02.920 And if you are now arguing in favor of something that's fundamentally Marxist, then you have

00:34:08.700 to examine whether or not you're a conservative at all.

00:34:10.300 That would be my pushback on that.

00:34:11.920 That's what we're trying to do.

00:34:12.320 I haven't heard any men say that they're anti-fly.

00:34:14.780 Maybe I need to just say.

00:34:15.500 No, I have.

00:34:16.460 I don't want to give them press because they're all jerks to me online.

00:34:18.840 But there are a handful of these guys.

00:34:20.920 And the irony of it is they put themselves out there to be these big, virile, you know,

00:34:26.740 pinnacles of masculinity.

00:34:27.780 But their anthropology is fundamentally, for lack of a better word, gay, right?

00:34:33.020 Their anthropology is fundamentally sterile.

00:34:35.740 And it's saying, yeah, we shouldn't get married.

00:34:37.900 We shouldn't have kids.

00:34:38.520 We should just have sterile relations with random women.

00:34:43.340 And so it's kind of how the irony that, you know, we end up at the topic that no one's

00:34:48.260 allowed to name anymore that Matt made a movie about.

00:34:50.340 And, you know, people say, well, that's so crazy.

00:34:52.860 You know, we should dial that back.

00:34:54.440 But that's just a consequence of the very same sexual revolution that has said for many

00:34:59.140 decades now that men and women are exactly the same, which comes from feminism, right?

00:35:03.320 Horseshoe theory.

00:35:04.280 Totally, yeah.

00:35:05.100 I mean, it's the logical conclusion of Gloria Steinem is these red pill bros.

00:35:10.140 And they don't even realize it.

00:35:12.200 Radically pro-marriage.

00:35:13.300 When I run into a lot, I mean, whether these people identify as red pill or not doesn't

00:35:16.660 really matter.

00:35:17.340 But when I talk about marriage on my show and I promote it and I talk about my own experiences

00:35:22.260 with marriage, I hear all the time, I mean, the comments are full of people who are conservative

00:35:27.600 who are saying, well, that's just your experience.

00:35:30.220 That's a, you know, you got lucky.

00:35:33.620 You have it easy.

00:35:35.260 And you're trying to trick men into this deal that isn't going to work for them just because

00:35:40.200 you happen to find a good woman.

00:35:42.600 And that's the kind of defeatist mentality I hear all the time, all the time.

00:35:46.320 And what I want to say to these men is, like, it's, no, it's an easy way to dismiss it.

00:35:52.140 But we're all married in this room.

00:35:53.820 We're all happily married.

00:35:55.100 So we didn't get lucky.

00:35:56.060 It's like, you have to work at it every single day.

00:35:58.360 It's a choice that you make.

00:35:59.780 And there's a lot of women out there who are looking to make that choice also.

00:36:04.140 So it's very easy to just kind of dismiss it.

00:36:05.780 To get back to Bruce's point, actually.

00:36:07.700 So I'm going to back your point before you back your own.

00:36:09.720 So the real question is why that's arising on the right.

00:36:13.240 You understand why that revolutionary movement exists on the left.

00:36:15.680 I mean, you can't have spelled it out.

00:36:16.540 It is fundamentally a Marxist movement that seeks to destroy the institution of marriage

00:36:20.200 in order to level all of society so that you can build up, based on the ashes, some sort

00:36:24.420 of weird scrap heap of new creation.

00:36:26.620 But the question is why that's happened on the right.

00:36:29.820 And this is where I agree with Drew, is that because the right, and this goes back even to

00:36:34.160 some of the Taylor Swift points that you were making earlier about why the right is getting

00:36:37.140 Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey wrong, just imagistically.

00:36:39.700 I mean, I now agree with everything you said about Taylor Swift.

00:36:41.820 But the reason that that's happening is because since every institution has now been fundamentally

00:36:47.480 taken over by the left, or at least that's the belief of the right, if you extend that

00:36:52.080 to every institution, that extends even to the most important institutions, right?

00:36:55.540 The right is looking and they're seeing every institution that we once relied upon rested

00:36:59.360 out of our control, including things like church, right?

00:37:01.680 Things that were very fundamental to our lives, rested out of our control and then militarized

00:37:06.260 against us.

00:37:07.140 And so that's sort of the argument that the red pillars are making.

00:37:09.240 What they're saying is that the institution of marriage was rested out of our control

00:37:12.640 and then perverted and used against us.

00:37:14.880 In the same way that they're arguing that about the government or arguing that about

00:37:17.360 the church or arguing that about the universities or the press.

00:37:20.200 And the problem is that when it comes to marriage, because it's so personal and because in the

00:37:24.260 end there is no substitute for it, you can't just despair of the institutions and say build

00:37:30.140 a giant alternative in the way.

00:37:31.700 And like you have to actually do the thing that conservatives really should be doing nearly

00:37:34.420 all of these, you know, all of these modes.

00:37:36.380 What you see is control of the institutions back.

00:37:38.440 So what the big debate that's happening right now on the right is, can we do that with these

00:37:42.060 institutions or you burn them to the ground?

00:37:43.940 And it differs institution by institution, right?

00:37:45.700 I think most of us in this room would say like the university system, go ahead and burn

00:37:48.240 it to the ground.

00:37:48.980 Or the legacy media, go ahead and burn it to the ground.

00:37:51.500 But when it comes to the institution of marriage, you can't burn it down.

00:37:54.420 That's not something you can burn down.

00:37:55.760 It's not an institution invented by man, for one thing.

00:37:57.760 Right, exactly.

00:37:58.320 And so you actually have to-

00:38:00.100 Well, you can burn it, but you burn civilization with it.

00:38:01.480 Exactly.

00:38:02.120 And so I think that what's happened is a broad category error that the right has made.

00:38:06.340 In being anti-institutionalist broadly, you're starting to see the most right-wing edges of

00:38:10.900 the right-wing say, well, that includes all institutions.

00:38:13.820 And that's why you see the link between, hey, there's bad divorce law.

00:38:16.060 Maybe we just shouldn't get married or not participate in the institution of marriage.

00:38:18.500 It's fundamentally broken and it's dead.

00:38:20.480 The thing that the right, I think, needs to get back on board with is, no, many of these

00:38:25.200 institutions, even if they seem like they're not savable, are so important that there is

00:38:29.400 no ready alternative to them.

00:38:30.960 And so you actually have to seize back-

00:38:32.420 And many of them, and marriage specifically, are based on individuals.

00:38:35.740 What individuals do, that's what the institution will be.

00:38:38.880 And the thing is, when you live online, you're living in this fantasy world of loud voices

00:38:43.140 and angry voices, and it's very easy to be overwhelmed by it.

00:38:45.580 It's very easy to think, I mean, I think this probably has happened to all of us, where

00:38:49.060 people are screaming at you online and you suddenly think everybody's angry at me.

00:38:52.940 And it's six guys with a couple of bots that are just coming after you, and they're the

00:38:57.100 loudest thing, and they're surrounding your head.

00:38:58.820 I don't want to do the bot business.

00:39:01.720 Yeah, no, because you're stuck in this make-believe world of the internet.

00:39:06.280 And the thing is, you build institutions by doing things with the people in your community

00:39:10.440 and with the people that you'll, you know-

00:39:11.980 Yeah, in real life.

00:39:13.280 Yeah, in real life.

00:39:14.360 Because we're incarnate beings in time and space.

00:39:15.460 Yeah, it's the meat robots.

00:39:16.480 This is important.

00:39:18.760 Marriage, in particular, is a thing that you do, right?

00:39:21.680 Marriage, how do we fix, we need to fix divorce laws.

00:39:25.240 Like, I think that we should start a non-profit think tank.

00:39:27.080 All of us should pitch in.

00:39:28.260 I know what you all get paid.

00:39:30.740 I start a think tank just aimed at addressing the horrible inequalities that exist in family

00:39:36.100 law right now.

00:39:36.760 There's no question that, in particular, women are incentivized to leave their husbands.

00:39:41.640 If you got rid of a default divorce, you would solve 72% of the problems.

00:39:45.640 I'm with you, by the way.

00:39:46.800 But that's a, I don't disagree with you, but that is a, that is a, that's an all-or-nothing

00:39:51.620 proposition.

00:39:52.660 I'm not saying no-fault divorce.

00:39:53.540 I'm just saying.

00:39:53.940 No, no, no.

00:39:54.320 I'm only saying that we're not a year from getting away, from moving away from no-fault

00:40:00.160 divorce.

00:40:00.620 That's a generational activity, just like getting rid of no, just like introducing no-fault

00:40:04.640 divorce was a generational undertaking.

00:40:08.000 There are a lot of goalposts between here and there, places where we could make an immediate

00:40:11.240 difference in the lives of a lot of men.

00:40:13.080 You could actually go tackle this problem.

00:40:14.920 It shouldn't be, it shouldn't be the case that a wife is economically incentivized to

00:40:19.700 leave her husband.

00:40:20.460 And a husband is not economically incentivized to leave his wife.

00:40:23.300 In very broadly speaking, that's a bad incentive structure.

00:40:26.580 We might be able to do something about it.

00:40:28.340 But ultimately, whether you fix that bad incentive structure or don't fix that bad incentive

00:40:32.540 structure, whether we get rid of no-fault divorce or don't get rid of no-fault divorce,

00:40:36.440 your marriage is not a statistic.

00:40:38.380 Your marriage is the actual marriage that you, the actual person, is in with another

00:40:43.220 actual person.

00:40:44.160 And you have enormous agency there.

00:40:46.420 And the worst thing that's happening on the right, in my opinion right now, is this victimizer

00:40:51.320 mentality is settling in.

00:40:53.340 And I completely understand why it's settling in.

00:40:55.860 It's settling in in particular because the left was so effective at using it to build their

00:41:01.800 winning coalition in the mid-2000s.

00:41:05.160 It's how they, it's not exactly how they elected Barack Obama in 2008, but it is how

00:41:10.020 they re-elected him in 2012, is with this hierarchical victim mentality.

00:41:14.280 Coalition of the Ascendant, right?

00:41:15.820 That's right.

00:41:17.160 And so then you end up with the right seeing that that's what works and recognizing the

00:41:23.720 only group of people to whom it doesn't apply is white Christian male, like the people

00:41:29.120 who traditionally have voted Republican in the country.

00:41:32.080 And so they, they basically took that same victim mentality and tried to, and tried to

00:41:36.160 make it work over here to, to build a coalition.

00:41:38.740 And, and the problem with it is if everyone is a victim, right?

00:41:43.860 Once you, once you reach every human is a victim, then we are all basically nihilists.

00:41:48.540 Like there's nothing, there's nothing left anymore.

00:41:50.440 There's almost, I agree with you, Jeremy.

00:41:52.420 There is a point that we're the right.

00:41:54.220 We want to deny oppression generally because that's the language of the Marxists.

00:41:57.700 But I almost think we should acknowledge it for a second and say, you know what?

00:42:01.440 There is oppression.

00:42:02.500 There is victimization.

00:42:03.840 It happens to all of us.

00:42:05.100 It's not the result of the white guys or men or the women or whatever.

00:42:08.640 It's sin actually is what oppresses you.

00:42:10.840 And it leads you to form vices.

00:42:12.700 And when you form those vices, you become a slave to your appetites and you have a crappy

00:42:15.940 life in a crappy country.

00:42:17.160 And so you're right.

00:42:18.140 Let's acknowledge that.

00:42:19.360 And then recognize that you do have it.

00:42:22.760 It's easier when you have a society that impels you toward a better life and more human flourishing.

00:42:27.360 But you actually do have some agency.

00:42:29.640 And the law, the constitution is only going to be as good as the people who enforce it.

00:42:33.940 Did you see this ruling came out of the Hawaiian Supreme Court that said it was a gun case.

00:42:38.180 I did not see that ruling.

00:42:39.140 This was amazing.

00:42:40.440 It said that.

00:42:41.200 It's really funny.

00:42:41.720 So it's a gun case.

00:42:43.320 And this is after the New York case, New York Rifle and Pistol Association, which upholds

00:42:47.220 the Second Amendment in the state of New York.

00:42:48.520 They take it to Hawaii and the Hawaii Supreme Court says, no, you don't have your Second

00:42:52.660 Amendment rights.

00:42:53.440 Because even if that's what the constitution says you have, there is a higher law.

00:42:57.420 And that higher law is the spirit of aloha.

00:43:02.020 That's seriously what it says.

00:43:03.060 In those words.

00:43:04.240 In the face of that, you realize, oh, the constitution, that and a buck 50 will get you a cup of coffee.

00:43:09.220 The laws, the Federalist Papers, all of that is worthless if we have a people who just

00:43:15.240 don't know how to comply with themselves.

00:43:16.500 Your marriage.

00:43:17.000 You're talking about the fundamental argument that people make to support their power.

00:43:23.260 So somebody recently said that every political argument is BS, BS, BS.

00:43:27.120 That's why I should be in power.

00:43:28.860 But the normal argument is I should be in power because I will give you safety, security from

00:43:34.300 violence, and I will make the economy work or keep it working.

00:43:38.120 They changed the argument to they want to put you all back in chains.

00:43:41.820 But if I'm in power, you will not be put back in chains.

00:43:44.240 It's a very different argument.

00:43:45.160 And it's not the American argument.

00:43:46.540 And it's the argument that now dominates.

00:43:48.260 So essentially, you're talking about a form, an argument for governance that depends upon

00:43:53.360 your sense of being aggrieved.

00:43:55.300 Who doesn't have a sense of being aggrieved?

00:43:57.080 I mean, I work for Jeremy.

00:43:59.040 I'm aggrieved.

00:43:59.400 You can write books.

00:44:00.220 I am aggrieved.

00:44:00.700 Tomes.

00:44:01.060 So I think that this is like, we let the arguments get away from us.

00:44:06.820 You know, in everything, in everything in our society, as Lincoln said, public sentiment

00:44:12.160 is everything.

00:44:13.260 You can get public sentiment either by making an argument or by inciting emotions or by

00:44:18.540 simply oppressing people by simply stomping on their neck.

00:44:21.040 And what we have got now is we've got both sides, including the right, are just basically

00:44:25.220 inciting emotions.

00:44:26.020 They're just basically saying, run for your life or the other guy will win.

00:44:30.560 We don't have any avenue for making, outside of this room, outside of this room, we actually

00:44:34.780 don't have an avenue for making arguments that people believe in.

00:44:37.620 And this is why I find it so infuriating.

00:44:40.080 I fell for this with W a little bit.

00:44:41.680 George W. Bush.

00:44:42.620 If you may remember him, he was president.

00:44:44.320 But I fell for this a little bit where I thought it doesn't matter that the president

00:44:47.680 can't speak because it's what he does.

00:44:50.980 And now people say that about Trump.

00:44:52.700 It does matter.

00:44:53.380 You have to be able to speak.

00:44:54.780 You have to be able to convince people.

00:44:56.840 And we've lost that power.

00:44:57.980 And that's why this thing with Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift matters, because we've lost

00:45:01.680 the power to simply say, this is what's good about this.

00:45:04.680 This is what's bad about it.

00:45:05.940 Whatever.

00:45:06.300 But do you have to be?

00:45:07.380 You know, I guess I agree, ideally, that would be the case.

00:45:10.740 But when I think about the classical definition of freedom, of free will, is not just volition.

00:45:16.900 It's not just choosing.

00:45:17.720 But it's perfect willing, predicated on perfect knowledge, perfect intellect.

00:45:22.320 So that's why only God is totally free.

00:45:24.340 And we are more or less free, depending on how we control our will and what we know.

00:45:29.640 And so if you live in a country where people basically know some things and basically can

00:45:33.120 control themselves and they have morality and they kind of practice stuff, then yes,

00:45:36.660 the president being able to make a persuasive argument is going to make you more or less

00:45:41.540 flourishing and more or less free.

00:45:42.780 But if you live in a country where that has been severely degraded, as we do today,

00:45:46.860 I actually don't think that if we had Pericles getting up there giving a great oration, it

00:45:51.500 would do very much of anything.

00:45:52.900 I don't know.

00:45:53.400 I think that there are certain things that we could actually change that might change

00:45:56.440 that.

00:45:56.720 I mean, I've watched debates now.

00:45:57.880 And this is one of the reasons they say these ideas are obsolete.

00:46:01.600 I watch a debate now.

00:46:02.820 I have no idea what anybody thinks.

00:46:04.760 And I don't even understand why a journalist is asking questions.

00:46:08.960 I think like that journalist is not, he's not a journalist.

00:46:11.020 He's an advocate.

00:46:12.020 Why is he determining what Ron DeSantis can talk about or Donald Trump can talk about?

00:46:16.760 Why aren't these guys just getting up and saying, this is what I have to say?

00:46:19.460 You know, Lincoln Douglas didn't have a moderator.

00:46:21.900 They don't need it.

00:46:22.620 We have no vengeance.

00:46:23.420 Well, I truly believe no one should be able to be elected president who doesn't do three

00:46:28.080 hours on Joe Rogan.

00:46:29.120 I'm not joking about that.

00:46:30.560 You can't sit down for three hours and talk about what you actually do.

00:46:34.380 Well, that was why the Putin interview was fascinating.

00:46:36.600 Like just the opening hour sermon that he gave.

00:46:39.300 I don't think Tucker knew what quite to do because that's never happened before.

00:46:42.820 I actually think, I'm no fan of Tucker Carlson.

00:46:45.540 I actually think that he comported himself very well in that.

00:46:47.840 No, he did.

00:46:48.300 I'm saying that he literally said at the beginning.

00:46:50.060 Doing almost nothing.

00:46:51.000 Yeah, because he said he thought, is he filibustering?

00:46:53.220 Because this is how unaccustomed we have become to someone being able to sit down for an hour.

00:46:58.460 The eighth century.

00:47:00.020 I was like, oh, wow.

00:47:00.960 He's going to just be quick.

00:47:02.120 No, the ninth century, the tenth.

00:47:03.700 It is an incredible thing to realize that Tucker thought he was filibustering because he had never

00:47:07.780 seen this before.

00:47:08.440 That's right.

00:47:08.780 We've never seen it before.

00:47:10.360 Obviously, Putin is very bright, right?

00:47:12.340 And we're not used to, we're really not used to that at this moment.

00:47:15.420 But we used to have that, you know.

00:47:16.760 Like Richard Nixon could do that.

00:47:17.980 And then I'm thinking, this is a good time for me to go up and get on a podium and have

00:47:21.040 a press conference.

00:47:21.600 Like, please don't do this right now when everyone's watching Putin deliver a historical

00:47:25.860 sermon about Russian history.

00:47:27.020 And I want to say this one thing.

00:47:28.140 I don't want to stick too much on the Putin thing because I do want to finish this marriage

00:47:31.260 conversation.

00:47:31.700 But the best part of the Putin interview to me is that, whereas I thought going in that

00:47:38.500 it would mostly be Putin posturing, and of course, he's a politician and did posture.

00:47:42.700 It would mostly be him sort of propagandizing.

00:47:44.560 And he's a politician and did propagandize.

00:47:45.980 But it was predominantly Putin actually telling us what he thinks.

00:47:50.180 Yeah, that was astonishing.

00:47:51.080 And you can say that he's wrong.

00:47:53.760 I think a lot of what Putin said is inaccurate.

00:47:55.700 I think a lot of what he said is wrong.

00:47:57.520 But I far better today understand Putin's motivations than I did before this interview

00:48:01.920 because Putin told me what his motivations are by and large.

00:48:05.080 And the fact that so many people reacted, especially to that first part of the interview,

00:48:09.500 by saying how boring it was.

00:48:10.660 And then I watched it.

00:48:11.280 I thought it was absolutely fascinating.

00:48:13.040 Fascinating.

00:48:13.400 But we're not used to, I mean, he's giving this historical discourse and he's connecting

00:48:17.200 actions that he's taking today to things that happened 500 years ago, which, so there's

00:48:22.200 two things going on.

00:48:22.860 First of all, as Americans, we are used to intellectual, lightweight politicians who would not be capable

00:48:27.860 of offering any kind of explanation like that.

00:48:30.440 But also, we're so disconnected from our own past and our own ancestry that the idea that

00:48:35.880 people are motivated by things that happened 1,000 years ago is so foreign to us.

00:48:39.900 But what we don't realize is that this, outside of the modern Western world, this is how the

00:48:43.180 entire world works and has worked forever.

00:48:45.600 That, you know, for us, it's crazy.

00:48:46.820 Well, outside of America.

00:48:48.480 I have to say, I really disagree with this.

00:48:50.140 I mean, even in the United States, it used to be that people used to be able to speak

00:48:53.040 to the constitutional values and the development of those constitutional values of time.

00:48:57.040 Yes, yes.

00:48:57.520 Not that long ago.

00:48:58.660 Right?

00:48:58.880 Not that long ago.

00:48:59.480 If you read the single best speech that's like this, the July 4th speech by Calvin Coolidge

00:49:04.140 on the 150th anniversary of 1776, it's a phenomenal speech.

00:49:08.180 And it really does explain sort of where we are in historical time.

00:49:11.940 And it's pathetic that American presidents are no longer able to do that.

00:49:15.840 That is pathetic.

00:49:16.820 But as far as what Putin actually had to say, listen, I think that his view on history is

00:49:20.540 deeply flawed.

00:49:21.940 I think that he elides significant facts.

00:49:24.700 I think that it's obviously biased in a particular direction, which is why he does what he does.

00:49:28.260 But the thing that was interesting about it, and I agree with you, and Tucker, I thought

00:49:31.820 did actually, I said this on the show, I thought he did a really good job actually just letting

00:49:35.140 him talk.

00:49:35.580 I don't want to hear what the interviewer has to think.

00:49:37.940 I want to hear what Putin has to think, because you actually don't really hear that

00:49:41.180 all that often.

00:49:42.260 And actually, it sort of underscored to me how aggressive he is, because when he spells

00:49:46.560 out the history of Muscovy and he explains that basically everything in the entire region

00:49:50.860 was once Russia, you know, it's hard for me to see that as not territorially ambitious.

00:49:55.200 But the kind of broader point, which is that countries have histories, philosophies have

00:50:00.700 histories, ideologies have histories, and those histories have consequences, that's

00:50:04.560 something that we don't have in the United States.

00:50:07.500 And because of that, you can have frauds like Nicole Hannah-Jones walking around not knowing

00:50:10.700 history and falsifying history, and no one even knows what to say to her.

00:50:13.520 So I want to cover three things, and then there's a major topic that I want to introduce

00:50:17.960 that none of you will have seen coming, because it wasn't.

00:50:20.980 Until right this second, they just told me something in my ear.

00:50:23.140 We have to talk about it.

00:50:23.980 First is, we often diagnose problems.

00:50:27.900 It's the nature of our job.

00:50:29.740 But for anyone who tuned in for that entire conversation about the red pillars and their

00:50:32.920 view of marriage, what is the hope that you offer to a young man right now in this actual

00:50:39.720 world, in the world where family courts bias against him in such extreme numbers, where

00:50:44.880 women drive such a large percentage of the divorces, where he does feel that if he even

00:50:50.180 makes an overture to a woman, he runs the risk of being kicked off of his college campus

00:50:53.680 or worse.

00:50:54.940 What do you say to that young man in despair about the institution of marriage right now?

00:51:01.060 What hope have we to offer?

00:51:02.660 I say this all the time.

00:51:04.080 It's like, you have to begin with yourself.

00:51:05.640 I mean, this thing that somehow the society is supposed to change for you to change is the

00:51:10.540 exact opposite of manhood as far as I'm concerned.

00:51:12.580 You know, you start out, who am I?

00:51:14.300 What do I want?

00:51:14.900 What am I doing here?

00:51:15.820 Where am I going?

00:51:16.900 And a guy who doesn't understand that about himself isn't going anywhere, you know?

00:51:21.920 Part of that is developed in a marriage.

00:51:24.260 But the way you get to marriage is thinking, you know, this show, whenever you're on that

00:51:29.420 show, whatever, I watch a little bit of it.

00:51:31.360 My wife looks over my shoulder and says, is that Michael?

00:51:33.620 This show is disgusting.

00:51:34.840 Every single time.

00:51:35.780 And she says, because I'm on it.

00:51:37.200 That's why.

00:51:37.660 But she says, why is he doing that?

00:51:39.420 And I said, well, he's actually the best thing on it, which is true.

00:51:42.220 But it's like, it's disgusting to bring these victims of a society on because it's a healthy

00:51:48.200 impulse in human beings that they're born into a society and they live according to

00:51:52.120 the rules of that society.

00:51:53.560 That's a healthy impulse.

00:51:54.620 You don't want it.

00:51:55.140 Not everybody can be a rebel.

00:51:56.480 Not every age is supposed to overturn the, you know, the norm.

00:51:59.860 That's, that's, that would be insane.

00:52:01.480 So most of us are born into a society and we adopt the values of that society.

00:52:05.240 Right now we're in a position of climactic change.

00:52:11.980 We're in a position where a generation, my generation is passing away, possibly by the

00:52:16.400 end of the show.

00:52:17.580 And, and these transitions usually don't go very well.

00:52:21.140 They usually are filled with violence and upset.

00:52:23.840 This is the moment when you have to say, I stand here.

00:52:27.000 This, I stand in this place.

00:52:28.400 I am this person.

00:52:29.100 And all of those guys who are making fun of those girls, they're, they're actually an

00:52:35.380 underlying assumption there that they are somebody else looking for something else.

00:52:39.400 And if what they're looking for is a lot of sex and I conquered this and I conquered

00:52:42.880 that, you're right.

00:52:43.400 That's essentially homosexual.

00:52:45.440 It's essentially a gay lifestyle.

00:52:47.420 But, but if there's, they're actually talking about the opposite of what those girls represent,

00:52:52.320 then live that way and live it out loud.

00:52:54.360 You know, I mean, this is, this is that moment.

00:52:56.420 This is that moment when if you are not saying, I'm an anti-feminist.

00:53:00.140 I think feminism was a mistake.

00:53:01.320 I think just like what you were talking about before, they identified real problems.

00:53:04.640 You know, there were unfairnesses and all that stuff.

00:53:06.660 And they came up with the wrong solution.

00:53:08.240 I say this all the time and people are always going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:53:12.040 Conservatives are saying this.

00:53:13.100 They're saying like, well, you know, don't you, but you do believe this, but don't get

00:53:17.160 me wrong.

00:53:17.780 And also, yeah, get me wrong.

00:53:19.060 Get me wrong.

00:53:19.480 I think feminism should be thrown out.

00:53:21.000 I think it was a mistake.

00:53:21.760 And I think it was, it was the wrong solution to an actual problem.

00:53:25.920 If we don't live like that, if we don't live speaking out, if we're constantly dropping

00:53:29.320 our voices when we say the truth, we're done for.

00:53:32.460 We're done for.

00:53:33.000 And I would say, that's my line to individual men.

00:53:36.680 And I think also to build off that, the hope for, for men, and this is also to your point,

00:53:41.340 Jeremy, is that we are not condemned by the choices that other people have made in their

00:53:45.960 own lives.

00:53:46.540 Right.

00:53:46.700 So, for example, this supposed statistic that 50% of marriages end in divorce, which

00:53:52.240 is basically made up, but let's just pretend that it's true for a moment.

00:53:55.880 It's like, okay, but that's not my marriage.

00:53:58.560 Okay.

00:53:58.720 Because I am being, that statistic is being weighed down by a whole bunch of people who

00:54:03.300 made all the worst choices and their marriages failed very quickly.

00:54:07.400 And so that's how you come up with a 50% statistic.

00:54:09.420 But if you do basic things, like, for example, if you're religious, if you, you know, if you

00:54:15.240 just spend time together, if you, you know, if you, if you listen to each other, if you're

00:54:19.740 honest with each other.

00:54:20.700 The great advice Andrew Clavin gives to young men, don't have sex with people who aren't

00:54:24.340 your wife.

00:54:24.740 Right.

00:54:25.700 If you do basic things, if you do basic things like that, your chances of not getting divorced

00:54:29.600 are much, much better.

00:54:32.400 So you don't, just the fact that this has happened to so many other people really has

00:54:37.840 no bearing on you and your own life.

00:54:40.180 And that's the message I.

00:54:41.180 The basis also of hope here in this regard is the basis of hope generally.

00:54:46.620 Hope is not optimism.

00:54:48.400 Optimism is just a sentiment.

00:54:49.820 Hope is a fact.

00:54:50.700 It's actually a theological virtue and it's based on an objective reality.

00:54:54.280 So this sounds a little mamby pamby pie in the sky.

00:54:56.920 I think this is the best cause of hope for young men, which is there is an objective reality

00:55:01.380 outside of you.

00:55:02.900 Marriage is a thing that is not just or primarily about you.

00:55:06.880 Marriage is a sacrament.

00:55:08.660 It is the meeting of two people who take a vow before God and before the law and before

00:55:13.480 the community, before the public.

00:55:15.220 And you say you're going to do a thing and commit to a thing and your love is going to

00:55:17.780 be so real that there is another person that comes out of that.

00:55:20.740 And things are known by their purpose.

00:55:23.160 The purpose of this delicious Mayflower cigar is to smoke it.

00:55:26.220 The purpose of the Leftist Tears Tumblr to quench my thirst for Leftist Tears.

00:55:29.960 Men have a purpose too.

00:55:31.580 Marriage has a purpose too.

00:55:33.160 So people I think fear when they get into an argument with their wife, it's going to

00:55:36.660 be some negotiation or some mere battle of wills that's totally irrational.

00:55:41.240 No, we have reason.

00:55:42.600 You can actually resolve many conflicts using your reason and coming to terms and just doing

00:55:48.720 the things you're supposed to do.

00:55:49.960 To quote Don Corleone talking to Johnny Fontaine, you can act like a man even when it kind of

00:55:54.760 hurts your feels a little bit, even when you're kind of tired and you worked hard and

00:55:58.480 your kid is screaming.

00:55:59.640 Well, just do your duty.

00:56:01.340 You know, people have a purpose and virtue is doing excellent activity over a period of

00:56:07.400 time.

00:56:07.800 And that, that, you know, the nature, frankly, by the activity that you're doing.

00:56:11.400 So do what you're supposed to do, man.

00:56:12.880 It is true that one of the big red pill voices out there, I won't name him either.

00:56:17.100 He is somewhat well known.

00:56:18.140 And, um, and, and I saw him railing about how these daily wire guys all talk about marriage

00:56:24.320 and not one of them will actually sit down and talk to a man who's been hurt by the injustices

00:56:29.040 in our, in our family law.

00:56:31.360 And you've all, you know, my wife left me and destroyed my life and took half of my money

00:56:36.320 and more than half of my money, you know, and he goes on this long, long rant and then

00:56:40.160 he gets to the end.

00:56:40.760 I kid you not, he gets to, and, and yeah, I lived on the road and I made a bunch of mistakes,

00:56:46.500 you know, but I, uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:56:49.400 And I thought, oh, you're blaming the institution of marriage for multiple affairs.

00:56:55.600 Not, not a mistake that you made a lifestyle that you embrace an anti-marriage lifestyle.

00:57:00.360 You were living outside of your, the vows of your marriage.

00:57:03.960 And you're upset that your wife decided to formalize that, uh, to formalize that.

00:57:07.900 And we could say that maybe in a no fault divorce, uh, situation, she, she would still have

00:57:12.360 a claim.

00:57:12.860 There might even be societies in which she wouldn't have had a claim.

00:57:15.980 And none of that's actually the thing being debated.

00:57:18.400 The thing is, you can't be unhappy that your marriage doesn't work if you didn't work on

00:57:22.280 your marriage.

00:57:23.040 This person obviously didn't.

00:57:24.760 And this brings me to the last thing I want to say, which is that you never know out in

00:57:28.660 the, out in the wide world and all the craziness who, who's actually a good guy and who's a

00:57:33.000 bad guy.

00:57:33.220 I mean, sometimes you know who's a bad guy.

00:57:34.520 It's often hard to know who's a good guy.

00:57:37.360 Would anybody sit down and talk to Pearl?

00:57:39.740 I invited her on the show.

00:57:41.280 I feel sad that I actually missed this.

00:57:43.140 I don't know how I'm, I'm, I feel like I'm on the internet, but I missed this trend and

00:57:47.160 I would definitely sit down with her because that makes me sad that a woman not aspiring

00:57:50.520 to marriage, your life gets so much better.

00:57:52.780 I talk about marriage the entire time on my podcast because I want women to know that.

00:57:56.380 And it's, it's not a message that's often reflected in culture.

00:57:58.980 If you look at just this integration of shows, we've talked about this on past backstages,

00:58:03.220 but you know, I grew up watching the Winslows and you know, all that great Nick at night

00:58:06.960 TV, the Jeffersons.

00:58:08.380 And it was all about family togetherness.

00:58:09.660 And now what's being projected on the screens is that men cheating on men, loving hip hop

00:58:14.060 style, you know, uh, real housewives, everyone's crying and hysterical.

00:58:18.000 And the truth is that if you don't have that man and woman coming together in this, in this

00:58:23.280 so in this institution, what you end up with is hyper femininity and hyper masculinity.

00:58:28.520 And neither one of those things is good actually, because what happens when you come together

00:58:32.200 is you have the perfect masculine and the perfect feminine.

00:58:35.480 And I would agree to those men that feel impacted and hurt by what's happening.

00:58:39.400 I very much agree with, I actually believe that we're living in a matriarchy.

00:58:43.980 Um, and that's why I like, it's hell, it's hell on earth right now because women are in

00:58:46.960 charge, even though we're saying we're not.

00:58:48.840 Um, and they're not even mothers, they're likely responding to the matriarchy.

00:58:53.700 I'm radically anti-feminist.

00:58:55.480 You're anti-feminist.

00:58:56.140 I'm radically anti-feminist.

00:58:56.960 I'm like willing to give up, forego voting to let men do it because when women, you know,

00:59:01.180 we just are too emotional.

00:59:02.400 Men are hyper.

00:59:03.340 Yeah, I'm there.

00:59:04.340 Like I would do it easily if the boat was up tomorrow.

00:59:06.820 But because hyper femininity yields to really bad things, women's emotions get hijacked

00:59:10.700 very easily.

00:59:11.820 Men's aggression can get hijacked when you get the hyper aggression.

00:59:15.040 When you come together, you weed out those hyper elements.

00:59:18.220 And so I am, I am a marriage stan, as the kids are saying.

00:59:22.360 I've learned this slang.

00:59:23.680 Stan is, stan is a new slang.

00:59:24.880 Have you ever noticed, have you ever noticed that in the old days, like the old movies

00:59:28.180 before I, even I was born, if you can imagine that, the guys were like small guys, like

00:59:33.420 Humphrey Bogart and, you know, Clark Gable.

00:59:35.720 They looked like guys.

00:59:36.640 And the women looked like women.

00:59:38.060 And then right around the time that feminism had its first surge, which was in the 80s,

00:59:42.160 you've got like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone.

00:59:44.760 And I used to sit and think like, who are these guys?

00:59:47.040 All they do is shoot people, you know, like they don't, they don't have any romances.

00:59:49.960 You can't, you couldn't watch Schwarzenegger kiss somebody.

00:59:51.960 It would be like an act of murder, you know, it's like, they would have these gigantic guns.

00:59:55.700 And I felt like, what the hell?

00:59:57.120 You know, that's, that's actually not a story.

00:59:59.140 I mean, men, you know, it's, it's tough to be a man because you're the guy who has to

01:00:03.220 be in a fight if somebody insults your wife.

01:00:05.360 And, you know, you may not be that guy.

01:00:06.920 You may not be a fighting guy.

01:00:08.880 Those were the old movies.

01:00:09.900 The old movies were guys, A, who were small and normal and just had the guts to do what

01:00:14.980 they had to do.

01:00:16.080 And, and B, also like they, they, they stood, you know, they stood for a thing and they

01:00:20.140 were a thing, but they didn't just, they weren't just these incredible.

01:00:23.620 Well, that's it.

01:00:24.040 So I think you're missing one step only in the Hollywood evolution, if we're going to

01:00:26.440 do this.

01:00:26.800 And that is that you had kind of normal, iconic masculinity in the forties and fifties.

01:00:31.460 And then in the sixties and seventies, you had the feminization of men.

01:00:34.200 And then you have the uber masculinization of men.

01:00:36.100 That's a reaction.

01:00:36.640 Yes.

01:00:36.980 Everything is reactionary.

01:00:37.840 Everything's a pendulum.

01:00:38.640 Women.

01:00:39.040 Women.

01:00:39.560 Well.

01:00:40.220 Women.

01:00:40.940 When we get to it, man, the matriarchy.

01:00:44.380 Now that I've said it, you'll see it everywhere.

01:00:46.020 You give them your pinky, you know?

01:00:48.320 So I don't want to talk about news.

01:00:51.060 I led the show by saying, I don't want to talk about news.

01:00:53.240 But.

01:00:53.620 But something happened since we've been sitting here that merits discussion.

01:00:56.900 And that is that.

01:00:57.800 Is the president still alive?

01:00:58.940 The president is still alive.

01:01:00.520 And that is that Mayorkas just became the first sitting cabinet member since the 1800s

01:01:05.200 to be impeached by Congress.

01:01:06.580 Who did, Scalise got back?

01:01:07.320 Mayorkas, Mayorkas.

01:01:08.300 Mayorkas.

01:01:08.900 Wow.

01:01:09.260 Wow.

01:01:10.060 So by the way.

01:01:10.820 214 to 213.

01:01:12.140 The last one was William Belknap, Secretary of War in 1876.

01:01:16.360 That's a good poll.

01:01:16.720 Yeah.

01:01:17.100 You know.

01:01:17.620 I was just going to say.

01:01:18.340 I've been waiting for this one.

01:01:19.240 There are going to be a lot of Democrats who start arguing that there's no basis to impeach

01:01:24.380 him because they're merely impeaching him on maladministration, which is not a sufficient

01:01:28.100 cause for impeachment.

01:01:29.160 In the impeachment, the only other time this happened to the cabinet member, it was for

01:01:33.120 failing to fulfill his duties.

01:01:34.680 And in this case, I think one would argue that Mayorkas is being criminally negligent here.

01:01:39.680 He's actually violating the law.

01:01:41.280 And, you know, if you're not going to enforce the most basic law of a country, which is...

01:01:47.280 In the spirit of aloha.

01:01:48.420 In the spirit of aloha.

01:01:49.840 That's right.

01:01:50.280 You know, it's like Mayorkas.

01:01:51.500 He's just undermining the aloha spirit.

01:01:54.060 You know, then what would...

01:01:55.920 Then there would be nothing to impeach a cabinet secretary.

01:01:58.340 Well, they should impeach Joe Biden for the exact same thing then because he's Mayorkas'

01:02:01.360 boss.

01:02:01.720 Right.

01:02:01.920 I mean, the ultimate responsibility to enforce our borders does not sit with the secretary

01:02:07.620 of Homeland Security, which is a 20-year-old department.

01:02:13.240 It sits with the president of the United States.

01:02:14.860 Well, so this is why I actually see both sides of the vote in favor and against.

01:02:21.380 So when it comes to impeaching Mayorkas, first of all, he's not going to be convicted by the

01:02:25.440 Senate.

01:02:25.680 So obviously, it's just for show, right?

01:02:27.440 It's essentially the same thing as censure.

01:02:29.000 It's just saying he sucks at his job.

01:02:30.640 And he sucks at his job so much that he shouldn't be in his job.

01:02:33.120 And okay, that's fine.

01:02:34.600 The reality of what it really is, and this is why I support it politically, even if I

01:02:38.580 don't support it in principle.

01:02:39.760 And this is where I'm sort of divided.

01:02:41.000 In principle, I think that you should actually have to allege high crimes and misdemeanors

01:02:43.760 in order to impeach a person, which is why I opposed both of the impeachment efforts

01:02:46.920 against Donald Trump.

01:02:48.260 Even though I radically disagreed with what Donald Trump did between the election and January

01:02:51.540 6th, there was no high crime or misdemeanor that was actually alleged in that impeachment.

01:02:54.880 Same thing with the first impeachment effort.

01:02:56.280 I opposed both of them, specifically because impeachment up till that time had generally

01:03:00.160 been used for high crimes and misdemeanors, and none were alleged in the actual documents.

01:03:04.900 Here, there was no crime or misdemeanor alleged, as you point out.

01:03:07.800 And so on a principle level, I would suggest, okay, well, you know, then he shouldn't be

01:03:11.700 impeached.

01:03:12.260 However, the rules apply to everyone or they apply to no one.

01:03:15.760 If you're going to impeach Donald Trump twice on the basis of no high crime or misdemeanor,

01:03:19.720 that gun is off the rack now.

01:03:21.220 And now that gun is off the rack, everybody should know that gun can be pointed in any direction.

01:03:25.020 So now it can either be weapons down or it's going to be free fire.

01:03:27.880 That's what this is.

01:03:28.840 Either everyone is going to have to go back to neutral positions.

01:03:32.840 Everyone's now going to learn.

01:03:34.200 Either stop impeaching people for not crimes, or everyone is now impeachable.

01:03:38.840 And that's just the way this is going to work.

01:03:39.920 And by the way, if Republicans were to gain a supermajority in the Senate, they would

01:03:42.500 not just impeach, they would remove.

01:03:44.320 Now, on a perfectly kind of Mayorkas level of all this, you're totally right.

01:03:48.240 So I've talked with the, I was talking with Brandon Judd, who's the head of the Border

01:03:50.760 Patrol Union.

01:03:51.340 And he suggested that, you know, he's had conversations with Mayorkas and he says, like,

01:03:55.860 this is Biden.

01:03:56.920 Like, Mayorkas may have principled bad beliefs, but in the end, these people all work for

01:04:01.740 Joe Biden.

01:04:02.600 And the vast majority of things that even Mayorkas would want to do are being stymied

01:04:05.800 by Joe Biden.

01:04:06.520 It's Biden who's really sitting there and saying, I don't want the border closed.

01:04:09.460 This Remain in Mexico policy is the easiest thing in the world.

01:04:11.620 It's the single most important thing that Biden got rid of on day one.

01:04:14.380 And he opened that border wide open and he wants the border wide open.

01:04:17.380 And this is on Joe Biden.

01:04:18.320 He should lose the election because of it.

01:04:20.000 Again, if you're going to...

01:04:20.940 Probably the most important thing Donald Trump did as president.

01:04:22.940 Oh, it's clearly the most important thing he did as president.

01:04:24.920 Because actually, if you look at the beginning of his administration, he actually didn't do

01:04:27.420 it right.

01:04:27.940 Like, the very beginning of his administration, you actually had pretty high levels of illegal

01:04:31.100 immigration right at the beginning.

01:04:32.520 And then he realized and he flipped and he started to actually enforce things like Remain

01:04:36.260 in Mexico, which he negotiated with the Mexican government, which was actually a really

01:04:39.340 good piece of negotiation done by the administration.

01:04:41.440 So, Remain in Mexico completely stymied the flow to the border.

01:04:46.400 Because if you have to wait for your asylum hearing in Mexico, you're not being released

01:04:50.240 in the center of the country to just escape and run around and never be heard of again.

01:04:53.680 You have to wait in Mexico.

01:04:54.460 You show up, we reject your asylum, and you go back to wherever it is that you came from.

01:04:57.740 By getting rid of Remain in Mexico, Joe Biden turned the Border Patrol service into a ferry

01:05:01.780 service for illegal immigration.

01:05:02.880 That is what they are right now.

01:05:04.180 That is on Joe Biden.

01:05:05.300 It really isn't on Mallorca.

01:05:06.340 So, it's a good piece of politicking, is what I'll say.

01:05:08.960 Yeah.

01:05:09.440 What?

01:05:10.880 Why?

01:05:12.440 Does Joe Biden want the border open?

01:05:14.060 That's the question, right?

01:05:15.120 Because this conversation we're having now doesn't matter.

01:05:16.580 The fact that the mainstream media is now acknowledging that we have a border issue means

01:05:19.320 they already accomplished their goals, right?

01:05:20.940 Because we've been talking about the border for years as conservatives.

01:05:23.240 They ignored it, pretended it wasn't happening, reframed it, said they all needed a home.

01:05:26.840 And now they're all in a mass panic and saying the border needs to be closed, which means

01:05:30.000 that whatever their nefarious goals were, they've already been accomplished.

01:05:33.440 There's a 10 million people are in the United States.

01:05:35.980 What is the actual reason?

01:05:37.500 Because it'll give them a permanent electoral majority.

01:05:39.640 Yeah.

01:05:40.400 That seems to me.

01:05:41.300 The great replacement is the thing we're not allowed.

01:05:43.540 How dare you?

01:05:44.700 Hey, you, am I sitting next to Dave?

01:05:46.500 Only they are allowed to say that.

01:05:50.200 You are not allowed to say that.

01:05:51.940 It's obviously the voters, but it is also the demographic shift.

01:05:55.300 The fact that it's more non-white people and less white people, they're very much a fan

01:06:00.040 of.

01:06:01.260 As they tell us.

01:06:02.200 As they tell us.

01:06:02.880 They're very clear about that.

01:06:03.680 And that's the reason.

01:06:04.340 I think there are a few reasons.

01:06:05.400 One, as far as why they're starting to realize that the border is a crisis, it's because his

01:06:08.320 numbers got so bad on this thing.

01:06:09.720 Yeah, I think that's right.

01:06:10.460 What they're really trying to do now is suck Republicans into making a deal so they can

01:06:13.440 say, he made a bipartisan move.

01:06:15.000 The issue's off the table.

01:06:16.000 Trump can't run on it.

01:06:16.800 I think that's more of a political move.

01:06:18.520 Because if they could facilitate more illegal immigration, they certainly would.

01:06:21.020 I mean, Joe Biden would love to have more illegal immigrants in the country.

01:06:24.260 And there's a variety of reasons.

01:06:25.740 One of them is actually ideological.

01:06:27.120 The hard left of Joe Biden's base really believes that the United States on a global

01:06:30.760 level is a guilty country and that we should not have a border because people are owed

01:06:34.540 a spot in the United States.

01:06:36.180 You are owed the ability to enter the United States under all circumstances, so long as

01:06:40.360 you claim that you have a rationale for being in the United States.

01:06:42.560 And it doesn't matter if you actually have a legit asylum claim.

01:06:45.320 The United States has unfairly exploited the rest of the world's population, and thus everyone

01:06:49.160 has a slot in the United States.

01:06:50.380 And you hear people talk like this on the hard left.

01:06:52.680 So that is part of it.

01:06:53.400 And Joe Biden is really, really beholden to his far left base because he's so unpopular.

01:06:57.760 If you're riding at 55% in the polls right now, he wouldn't be doing this.

01:07:00.180 I think one of the reasons that he's doing this is because he realizes that his coalition,

01:07:03.540 he's trying to duplicate Obama's 2012 coalition, which is the great sort of mirage that Democrats

01:07:08.200 have been trying to duplicate ever since.

01:07:09.520 Hillary tried to duplicate it in 2016.

01:07:11.260 She couldn't do it.

01:07:11.800 Minorities hated her, and so they didn't show up to vote for her.

01:07:13.740 And a bunch of white people didn't show up to vote for her either, thinking Trump was

01:07:16.300 going to lose, so why bother?

01:07:17.140 And then in 2020, Biden tried to duplicate the coalition.

01:07:20.380 And the only way he could do that was essentially by rigging all of the rules so that 60% of

01:07:24.100 all Democratic ballots could be turned in via mail, which, as opposed to 30% of Republican

01:07:28.600 ballots that were turned in via mail, and so you had the single largest increase in voter

01:07:32.160 turnout in modern American history.

01:07:34.160 You went from having 136 million voters or so to 160 million voters in 2020.

01:07:38.560 That is not able to be duplicated.

01:07:40.340 The voting numbers are going to go down this year.

01:07:41.920 What you're going to see is actually those numbers are going to be close to 140.

01:07:44.260 So you're going to lose 15, 20 million voters from the actual vote in this cycle because

01:07:49.120 all the rules changed and because you can't gather the ballots quite as easily.

01:07:52.620 And so what Joe Biden is freaking out about is how does he get the people who are low propensity

01:07:57.100 voters, right?

01:07:57.760 The people who are like 30% likely to vote.

01:07:59.720 That was Obama's magic in 2012.

01:08:01.500 Everyone who's 50% likely to vote is going to vote, and they already will.

01:08:03.960 Everybody who's 30%, can you get those people to vote?

01:08:06.240 The magic for Trump is that he does that with some of the Republican low propensity voters.

01:08:09.200 The problem for Biden is he really, really does not in the absence of all the rigging

01:08:12.980 of the rules in 2020.

01:08:14.320 And so what he has to try to do now is jazz up the minority base and jazz up young people,

01:08:18.900 right?

01:08:19.040 This is why he's caving on virtually every issue to like the most radical people in

01:08:23.380 his party.

01:08:24.040 And so that's another reason.

01:08:25.520 But obviously, the idea that he wants to bring in a huge group of people who will vote,

01:08:29.340 the lie that they're not going to vote because they're illegal immigrants.

01:08:31.480 No, what's going to happen is these are all disproportionately, not all, they're disproportionately

01:08:34.800 young males, and they are going to get married to American citizens who already

01:08:38.820 have status, and they are going to be sponsored for a green card by the people that they marry,

01:08:42.180 and then they will indeed vote.

01:08:43.000 So I want to talk about borders broadly in a minute, something that Michael and I have

01:08:46.700 been talking about.

01:08:47.320 But you said the great replacement, you said demographics, that part of it is that they're

01:08:50.580 trying to change America from a predominantly white nation to a not predominantly white nation.

01:08:55.320 Ben, you've taken a lot of flack online for commenting a couple times over the years

01:08:59.480 that you don't give a damn about the browning of America.

01:09:01.840 What do you mean by that?

01:09:02.720 I don't care about the race.

01:09:03.660 I care about the ideology.

01:09:04.880 I don't think that they care about the race, by the way.

01:09:06.580 I think they care about the ideology.

01:09:07.600 If they could import 200 million liberals from Sweden, I think that they would do it.

01:09:13.160 But isn't the point that just, it's so happy, I'm not saying it's good, I wish we could

01:09:16.780 shift the whole black vote, I wish we could shift the whole Hispanic vote, but it just

01:09:19.780 happened.

01:09:20.240 It just hasn't happened.

01:09:20.980 Well, I mean, but I don't see how that's relevant.

01:09:23.440 In other words, the way that the left likes to slander the right when they talk about things

01:09:26.960 like the great replacement theory is by suggesting that the reason that the right is opposed to

01:09:30.740 mass migration from these countries is because they want fewer brown people.

01:09:33.660 The point that I was making is we don't want mass migration from countries that don't share

01:09:37.040 our values.

01:09:38.140 I don't care whether they're brown, whether they're green, whether they're white, it

01:09:39.840 doesn't make a difference to me.

01:09:40.900 If you come from a country where you are used to gigantic government services that take care

01:09:45.720 of you and you're coming here to be reliant on those government services, or you don't

01:09:49.020 share American feelings about how family ought to work, or about how government ought to

01:09:55.000 work, or about many of these values, I don't care if you're pulling those people from

01:09:58.280 Latin America, whether you're pulling those people from the most liberal parts of

01:10:01.280 Europe, that doesn't matter to me.

01:10:02.400 The ideology of the people who are coming in matters to me.

01:10:05.400 So when I say about the browning of America, again, race is of no relevance to me insofar

01:10:11.880 as it's just race.

01:10:12.680 The ideology matters.

01:10:13.580 This is another area where the right has despaired, though, because they really do believe that

01:10:17.880 there's simply no way to change, you know, there's no way to change the way these people

01:10:23.960 think, the people who are coming and think.

01:10:25.660 And so they're just now talking about ethnocentricity in ways.

01:10:29.400 Well, I think they're falling into a trap, meaning I don't think that they even have

01:10:33.400 to make that argument.

01:10:34.920 Like, I agree that many of the people coming in are not going to change their minds.

01:10:38.160 That's why Democrats are importing them, is because they won't change their minds.

01:10:41.120 I think it would be weird to go to UK, or like, I guess this is happening now, but I

01:10:45.140 do think it would be weird to go to Sweden and then, like, everybody was black.

01:10:48.240 Yes.

01:10:48.420 I don't know.

01:10:48.880 Like, I think it does kind of matter a bit.

01:10:51.100 But those countries are based on race.

01:10:52.720 Yeah.

01:10:53.360 I mean, I'm not saying...

01:10:53.940 It is slightly...

01:10:54.760 This is an important distinction, I think.

01:10:56.640 Because Sweden is Sweden and has always been Sweden.

01:10:58.760 But what if they just suddenly...

01:11:00.100 Sweden was a cause of race.

01:11:00.500 Yeah.

01:11:00.920 But America hasn't...

01:11:02.240 America wasn't built out of race in the same way that Sweden was built out of race.

01:11:06.860 So, I...

01:11:07.940 It was overwhelmingly...

01:11:09.440 It was overwhelming.

01:11:09.840 But if you put aside the color of people's skin, it was a bunch of people who had been

01:11:13.860 at war for 2,000 years.

01:11:15.960 The people in Europe were killing each other the entire time.

01:11:19.520 But you know...

01:11:19.920 Yeah, but race has everything...

01:11:21.620 I don't want everyone to be Latin American in America.

01:11:23.780 I don't mind a bad person for saying that.

01:11:25.320 Like, am I going on a headline tomorrow?

01:11:26.180 Race has everything to do with it.

01:11:27.680 I mean, Ben, you said that you don't think that they care about the race either.

01:11:30.360 They care about the ideology.

01:11:31.740 I think they very much do care about the race.

01:11:33.500 They really do hate white people.

01:11:35.600 Well, they're building an ideology about race.

01:11:37.380 Right.

01:11:37.800 Right.

01:11:38.060 And they hate...

01:11:39.060 And the white people themselves feel an intense sense of guilt, as you mentioned.

01:11:42.840 And I think a lot...

01:11:43.520 It kind of goes back to what we talked about with Putin.

01:11:44.940 And he gave this historical answer and all this sort of thing.

01:11:47.200 And he could disagree or agree with that.

01:11:48.340 But he's got...

01:11:49.320 And Russians in general have a great sense of the history of their people.

01:11:53.280 And in this country, white people in particular have no sense of our own history.

01:11:58.340 They feel an intense guilt, like we don't belong here, because they don't understand what actually went into building this country.

01:12:06.420 And they don't have...

01:12:07.080 And this is why I bang on it all the time on my show, that we should have...

01:12:10.660 You know, we came here...

01:12:12.160 You know, Europeans came here and conquered this country.

01:12:16.600 Fair and square, they conquered it.

01:12:18.740 And it took incredible courage and ingenuity to do it.

01:12:22.600 And we should be proud of that.

01:12:23.940 And we should say, you know, this is our country.

01:12:26.560 And this is ours.

01:12:27.640 And it belongs to us.

01:12:29.600 And I think the fact that we don't have that pride in our own history is because we don't have a sense of it.

01:12:33.980 There's also...

01:12:34.540 We have a national identity, and it's gone away.

01:12:36.060 I don't want...

01:12:36.680 Why are we teaching so much Spanish?

01:12:38.480 Like, when we see, like, Spanish signs in certain communities, I don't want to see that.

01:12:40.960 This is not...

01:12:41.600 This is America.

01:12:42.360 You know, if you go back...

01:12:43.220 And it did have certain demographics, like, whether you like it or not.

01:12:45.980 Like, obviously, like, this was a country that was conquered by white Christian males.

01:12:50.580 And then you decided to bring over black Americans.

01:12:53.020 So we're here.

01:12:53.720 We're staying.

01:12:54.580 And I do kind of have an issue with, like, this non...

01:12:57.960 This system of suddenly we are importing South America here.

01:13:01.620 And this country feels like it's turning into a Spanish country.

01:13:05.220 Like, I feel like I go to some places and I'm like, am I visiting South America?

01:13:09.200 Is this America?

01:13:10.180 But that's culture, not race.

01:13:12.320 Meaning that if you imported a bunch of white people from Spain, those would be white Christians from Spain.

01:13:17.680 They have a different culture in Spain.

01:13:19.160 They do have a different culture in Spain.

01:13:20.660 That's my point.

01:13:21.400 Yeah.

01:13:21.540 What we're really talking about is...

01:13:23.040 What Democrats like to do is they flatten race and culture into the same thing.

01:13:26.280 And I don't like to see the right make the same mistake.

01:13:29.040 Meaning that even when we talk about, quote-unquote, white culture, if you're talking about white culture in the United States, what you're really talking about is predominantly men, not of European descent, men of specific areas of Britain descent who founded the country.

01:13:41.920 And then there was serious battle in the United States over the course of its history over, for example, the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the Swedish.

01:13:49.300 More Germans migrated to America than from anywhere else.

01:13:53.880 But they had to assimilate into a largely Anglo-centric culture.

01:13:57.840 If you brought these people over slowly and made them assimilate, I'd be fine with it.

01:14:02.360 I think that's what you're saying.

01:14:03.560 That's exactly what I'm saying.

01:14:04.460 You closed the borders and said...

01:14:06.520 Is it fair to say...

01:14:08.260 Can you become an American in the same way that you can become, say, a national Swede?

01:14:11.920 That's kind of the question.

01:14:13.420 And over the course of American history, the answer typically has been, yes, but here's the barrier to entry.

01:14:17.460 You have to accept these principles to become American.

01:14:20.840 Also, there was a timing component, which is the melting pot can work if you actually have a melting pot.

01:14:27.600 And if you import more things that are like what's already in the pot and fewer things that aren't, so that the things that aren't become more like the things that are, instead of the thing that is becomes more like the things that are.

01:14:37.640 And you teach them that because you're proud of it.

01:14:39.780 Can you assimilate a Guatemalan into America?

01:14:43.100 Yes, of course.

01:14:43.800 Can you assimilate 60 million Guatemalans?

01:14:45.900 And you end up in Guatemala.

01:14:47.680 And this point, I mean, to your point, Candace, it is...

01:14:50.660 Look, we now have...

01:14:52.160 What is it?

01:14:52.700 They want to set the limit at 8,500 people per day.

01:14:55.280 A day.

01:14:56.580 Per minute.

01:14:57.340 I mean, the movement of people into the United States from 1965 to 2015 was the largest movement of people in recorded history.

01:15:04.560 And the numbers have only gone up since then.

01:15:06.120 And so, this is, you know, some of my best friends are Guatemalan, okay?

01:15:09.600 Listen, hey, everybody, don't worry.

01:15:11.400 I'm a really nice guy.

01:15:12.700 But, you know, this has been an observation going back to antiquity, which is that immigration is always a destabilizing force.

01:15:21.340 It's the political advice that Dante's grandfather gives him in heaven, in paradise, which is, hey, watch out for migration.

01:15:27.600 It can really destabilize your polity.

01:15:28.940 And so, to your point, Matt, when the Democrats are encouraging mass migration, yes, in part, it's because they think they're going to get a permanent electoral majority because these people are more inclined to vote for Democrats.

01:15:37.620 But it's also just intrinsically destabilizing, and it upends the political order.

01:15:42.120 And they think out of that instability, they can craft a new political order after their own image.

01:15:45.820 Right.

01:15:46.040 And the only point that I would add to this is there's a reason why Democrats don't want to import a bunch of Cubans.

01:15:50.500 Yeah, right.

01:15:51.100 That's why they stop wet foot, dry foot.

01:15:52.960 That's exactly right.

01:15:53.900 Like, they'll open the southern border totally wide to people who are coming from the Northern Triangle in Mexico.

01:15:58.280 But when it comes to Cubans who are trying to escape a communist hellhole who are going to vote Republican in Florida, then it's like, no, we want no part of these people.

01:16:03.840 Right.

01:16:04.260 Yeah.

01:16:04.600 That's why I say, again, it's politics and ideology.

01:16:06.920 Again, this is not an argument for broader immigration.

01:16:08.780 We also live in this weird moment where in the wake of the Second World War, we essentially ascended an international morality based on the permanence of borders.

01:16:20.800 And we essentially said the definition of a good nation is one who never tries to expand its borders.

01:16:28.600 And the definition of a bad nation is one who does attempt to expand its borders.

01:16:32.780 And therefore, anyone who aggresses against anyone else is automatically bad.

01:16:37.820 This was a way that we thought we could keep the peace.

01:16:40.060 But A, no one ever lived by it.

01:16:42.800 America grew its total landmass by over 33% after the Second World War while pretending that its highest virtue was not to do so.

01:16:50.800 But also, in addition to just the hypocrisy, it just ignores the fact that a nation state is a living thing and all living things grow or die.

01:17:00.560 And so when you lock the borders of a nation, even sort of morally, even if you don't actually live by that standard because we've imported all of Alaska.

01:17:07.880 But when you lock the borders of a nation, you essentially doom it to a kind of death.

01:17:13.740 And now you've taken the energy of expansion, which is a natural, be fruitful and multiply.

01:17:17.740 It's like the original thing that God spoke into life in the garden, even before sin enters the world.

01:17:22.740 Be fruitful and multiply.

01:17:23.580 Expand.

01:17:24.020 Grow.

01:17:24.260 Be optimistic.

01:17:25.460 Try to advance.

01:17:27.400 You've locked that in.

01:17:28.860 A culture that's locked in begins to die.

01:17:31.120 It begins to fade.

01:17:32.100 It begins to not produce children.

01:17:33.180 And now, especially because we don't have a melting pot, and one reason we don't have a melting pot now is we have a multicultural welfare state.

01:17:40.660 As you grow the welfare state, you cannot have the bottom strata of society become smaller.

01:17:48.260 And so they have to import workers.

01:17:50.760 Right.

01:17:50.900 And because Great Britain can't grow anymore, it's lost its animating spirit, and it has to reach out and import half of Muslim Africa into its nation.

01:18:03.300 And now Muhammad is the number one baby name in the United States.

01:18:05.380 No, no, no, no.

01:18:05.860 Let's correct that.

01:18:06.580 Muhammad is not the number one name.

01:18:08.040 It is the number one name, but let me explain how that works.

01:18:10.240 I see people saying this, and this is just so inaccurate.

01:18:12.680 Basically, it's because they all named their children Muhammad.

01:18:14.900 Sure, yeah.

01:18:16.180 No, that's literally why.

01:18:17.360 There's still not more.

01:18:18.780 There's not more of them.

01:18:20.020 Of course.

01:18:20.540 Yeah, all of a sudden, Mark and John.

01:18:22.140 Like, that's culturally why they do that.

01:18:24.280 But there's still a lot of them in the UK.

01:18:25.380 And also, the reason that they're in the UK, I'm sorry, were you suggesting that they're intentionally importing them over to the UK for work?

01:18:32.840 Yes.

01:18:34.240 I think that they have to grow their tax base because they're in demographic collapse.

01:18:39.080 Well, they started doing that, but then they had the Syrian revolution.

01:18:42.780 Yeah.

01:18:43.200 They had what?

01:18:43.740 They had that Syrian influx of all of them.

01:18:45.040 Well, there's the humanitarian influx.

01:18:46.700 It kind of started with Libya, and then it's just been like a—

01:18:49.020 Right, but I think one of the things that—

01:18:50.460 One of the points that Jeremy is making is that one is sort of an excuse for the other, meaning that they were intent on bringing in vast—

01:18:56.600 I mean, this is certainly true in the United States.

01:18:57.880 We're seeking to import a cheap labor base into the United States and undercut the wage base.

01:19:01.600 I mean, that's clearly something that's been happening economically.

01:19:03.740 We have to listen to the other side when they give us—not to repeat myself, but they will tell us what their reasons are for wanting mass immigration and not enforcing the borders.

01:19:14.640 And the number one thing they'll say is that we don't have a right to have a border because we don't really have a right to the country in the first place because we stole the land.

01:19:22.320 And that's why I think as conservatives, we have to be much more aggressive in meeting that challenge because usually what we'll conserve—

01:19:28.540 Either we won't address it or we'll sort of agree with it and say, well, yeah, it happened.

01:19:33.060 It was a terrible thing, but, you know, we're here now.

01:19:35.160 I think we have to have a much greater sense of our own history.

01:19:38.000 A European staying over the continent is one of the great things that's happened in human history.

01:19:41.960 Without America, this globe is doomed to be a hellscape.

01:19:45.880 I totally agree, but that's a case that is, I think, rarely made by the right.

01:19:50.240 I agree, of course.

01:19:50.740 We rarely talk about the pride we have in conquest itself.

01:19:54.760 That's a great—

01:19:55.540 And that's essentially what I'm saying, too.

01:19:56.940 That's what you're saying, too.

01:19:58.120 A nation has to have an expansive animating premise.

01:20:01.240 You know—

01:20:01.880 And if you read Churchill when he's a kid, what's so amazing about it is that he's a completely animated Victorian Britain, right?

01:20:08.480 Like, he's an empire man.

01:20:10.500 You actually are making a radical and really interesting and undeniably true statement, which is that you grow or you die.

01:20:20.380 You know, you read Shakespeare, and in all the plays it's always like there's a season for war and there's a season for family.

01:20:26.020 There's a season where you get together and create new people.

01:20:28.340 But the idea that you can stop fighting one another and stop expanding and continue to live with frozen borders actually doesn't work.

01:20:38.400 And the thing about it is you kind of hope—what we were kind of hoping for, as the Europeans were hoping for just before they destroyed their culture in 1914,

01:20:47.120 but what they were hoping for was that you do it without violence.

01:20:50.340 You do it through ideas.

01:20:51.420 You do it through cultural appropriation, essentially.

01:20:54.040 You say, you know, take over.

01:20:55.420 You go into a country and say, live like we live, and that will be better.

01:20:59.220 And that's the way that you expand.

01:21:01.380 But people don't do that so much, and they like to kill each other.

01:21:04.280 There's another thing that happened.

01:21:05.080 There's something that happened in the 19th century when the United States hit the other coast, right?

01:21:10.060 When the United States made it to the other coast, the kind of exploratory nature of what it meant to be an American ended.

01:21:16.700 And then something else had to take its place.

01:21:18.440 And what took its place was commerce.

01:21:20.240 That doesn't work, yeah.

01:21:21.420 But it actually did for about 100 years.

01:21:24.200 For about 100 years, it actually really did work, which is why America is the commercial republic

01:21:27.740 and the most powerful country on the face of the earth.

01:21:29.840 Yes, we have great natural resources.

01:21:31.000 Also, we kick economic ass.

01:21:33.400 I mean, this country is dominant economically.

01:21:35.800 And that's because we didn't just build out.

01:21:38.400 We built up.

01:21:39.180 Meaning the idea was that we were now going to build economic greatness.

01:21:42.260 The new explorers were not people who were necessarily going to find uncharted lands

01:21:46.420 because all the lands had been charted.

01:21:47.620 They were going to discover new things.

01:21:48.900 They were going to create new products and services.

01:21:50.640 They were going to be like Elon Musk and find Mars.

01:21:52.180 I mean, we were going to shoot for something that was higher.

01:21:56.020 And then we decided that we were complacent.

01:21:57.900 We weren't going to do any of that stuff anymore.

01:21:58.880 What we were going to do is we were going to shuffle around the tiles.

01:22:02.060 Everything was good.

01:22:03.180 We were all prosperous.

01:22:04.140 We were going to create a mass welfare state.

01:22:05.640 And we were basically going to stagnate back into nothing.

01:22:07.780 Well, isn't what you're talking about that we fixed the borders of what was possible economically

01:22:12.520 as much as we had geographically?

01:22:13.880 I think the end of the wilderness is absolutely a big deal.

01:22:17.200 And you're absolutely right that we moved into trade.

01:22:19.440 But we also moved into space exploration.

01:22:21.520 And it was the end of the space program because it was taken over by the government

01:22:24.960 instead of Elon Musk.

01:22:26.040 Because it was taken over by the government, it did a couple of fancy things and then died.

01:22:30.600 But there is this animal spirit that exceeds trade.

01:22:34.460 There is an animal spirit in the human heart and men, basically, that exceeds trade.

01:22:38.840 Well, typically it's invention, right?

01:22:40.140 It's innovation and creation.

01:22:41.360 Trade is not innovation, creation, and expansion.

01:22:43.180 But you can only create more space to create.

01:22:44.460 Trade gives you a broader market for the presentation.

01:22:47.660 And I'm a supply-sider.

01:22:48.740 What trade does and what broader markets do is they provide you a new space to conquer

01:22:52.420 with new innovations and new products and new services?

01:22:55.540 Because the footprint of the United States is much larger than the land we govern.

01:22:58.520 The footprint of the United States is the fact that everyone wears Nikes everywhere on Earth.

01:23:02.160 That everyone has a McDonald's in their country.

01:23:04.400 So the glories of American capitalism, and I'm not a two-chairs for American capitalism guy.

01:23:09.140 I'm a three-chairs for American capitalism guy.

01:23:11.200 Because I think that when people say two-chairs for American capitalism,

01:23:13.940 they're suggesting that capitalism is supposed to fix things like marriage.

01:23:17.000 Which is like suggesting that a hammer is supposed to be a screwdriver.

01:23:19.160 However, capitalism, for what it is, is the greatest thing.

01:23:22.600 And guess what?

01:23:23.040 It's not everything.

01:23:23.880 It's great for the thing.

01:23:24.780 That's the trick, though, isn't it?

01:23:26.040 Yeah.

01:23:26.720 Doesn't it sometimes become an idol?

01:23:28.420 That's why I'm not an Ayn Rand libertarian, right?

01:23:30.220 But what capitalist markets are good for is, for example,

01:23:34.320 things like assimilating new groups of people into your country.

01:23:37.540 So if you look at the history of immigration in the United States,

01:23:40.080 what you see is major waves of immigrants who must assimilate,

01:23:42.880 because if they do not assimilate, they will not have welfare dollars,

01:23:44.920 because there are no welfare dollars.

01:23:46.180 When my great-grandparents got here in 1907,

01:23:48.380 my family's been here for 120 years,

01:23:49.840 when my great-grandparents on both sides got here in the early 20th century,

01:23:54.060 they spoke Yiddish, and within about five years,

01:23:55.780 they didn't speak Yiddish no more, and none of their kids spoke Yiddish,

01:23:57.820 because they immediately picked up on the idea that you have to engage in a trade.

01:24:01.720 You have to become more American.

01:24:03.500 You have to actually imbibe from this wealth.

01:24:05.980 And so we've undercut in this country all of the fundamental bases

01:24:09.580 for a growing and thriving society,

01:24:11.800 and now we're basically just importing new blood from a young person.

01:24:13.840 I think what Drew touched on is actually really important,

01:24:16.440 and it's also very true.

01:24:17.760 We're tracing kind of the decline and decay of American culture.

01:24:21.080 I agree that you trace it back to the end of the space age,

01:24:24.280 because there is this need to actually explore physically,

01:24:30.580 and you find that you had the exploration age in the 15th and 16th century.

01:24:35.220 Early 20th century, it shifted to the polar exploration.

01:24:38.840 They were going up to the ice in the North Pole or Antarctica,

01:24:41.740 and just kind of like people were dying and it was horrible,

01:24:44.200 but you're just doing it because we have to discover something,

01:24:46.660 and then that shifted to like, let's go to the moon.

01:24:48.560 We have to go somewhere and discover something,

01:24:50.820 and then we just shut all that down.

01:24:52.580 Saturn by 70.

01:24:53.680 And the whole thing about growing...

01:24:56.420 I was talking about this the other day.

01:24:57.960 It's incredible.

01:24:58.520 Men have this need in your nature to want to conquest.

01:25:02.620 How does this work?

01:25:04.900 Engineering just comes very naturally to men.

01:25:06.860 And like, what's out there?

01:25:07.980 What's in the woods?

01:25:08.740 Why is the tornado coming at me?

01:25:10.520 Women don't have the same instinct.

01:25:11.960 So it's fascinating to hear you guys talk about this.

01:25:13.660 Like, literally, there's a reason men conquered the world, right?

01:25:16.880 There's a reason for it,

01:25:17.940 because it's just naturally what you're predisposed to.

01:25:19.920 You have two boys.

01:25:20.520 We're like, I'm like, down to be in an Amish community

01:25:22.980 and just raise some kids and learn how to bake bread,

01:25:25.600 but you guys do you and figure out how to go to space.

01:25:28.040 And now I say we're also going in reverse,

01:25:30.140 because what's happening is we've stopped exploration,

01:25:31.920 and at the same time, we're turning back

01:25:34.560 and either denying or expressing regret over the exploration we already did.

01:25:39.000 We're apologizing for the conquest of America.

01:25:41.240 We're denying that the moon landing even happened.

01:25:44.060 I'm not trying to rope Candace into the base.

01:25:46.580 Listen, if you want to burn your fan base, it's cool.

01:25:48.340 You want to do it again.

01:25:49.280 You just don't know your base.

01:25:51.220 It's cool.

01:25:51.400 I already did.

01:25:51.980 But I think that's part of it.

01:25:53.920 Like, this turning back on our greatest achievements.

01:25:56.400 That never happened.

01:25:57.540 I think something that's self-justifying.

01:25:59.300 Meaning, I think that since we foreclosed the thing,

01:26:01.140 now we're justifying to ourselves as a society

01:26:02.820 why the thing is impossible.

01:26:04.020 Yeah, because we can't go to the moon.

01:26:05.340 They certainly couldn't have gone to the moon.

01:26:07.280 Right.

01:26:07.620 Because we're better than them.

01:26:08.620 And also, we shouldn't go to the moon.

01:26:09.560 But we bear more conspiracy theories have existed.

01:26:10.660 Just to go back to what you were saying before,

01:26:11.820 it's not a knock on capitalism.

01:26:13.580 They've always been wrong.

01:26:14.120 It's not a knock on capitalism.

01:26:15.000 It's something else.

01:26:16.180 And more.

01:26:17.140 This is outside of the values that underlie capitalism

01:26:19.900 because without the values,

01:26:20.800 capitalism is just selling fentanyl, basically.

01:26:22.820 It's like it doesn't matter what you're selling.

01:26:24.500 But you can't continue to build on the same space forever.

01:26:28.420 You start to build inward.

01:26:29.520 When they say, oh, you know,

01:26:30.520 in order for our economy to thrive,

01:26:32.200 we need more consumerism,

01:26:33.400 that's degrading.

01:26:34.040 It's degrading to the human spirit.

01:26:35.740 That's not how you build a society after a while.

01:26:38.140 I don't want to buy anything.

01:26:39.060 Maybe I just want to live my life.

01:26:40.380 I have enough stuff.

01:26:41.220 You've got to move.

01:26:42.460 You've got to move.

01:26:43.160 For a guy who loves Frank Sinatra,

01:26:45.380 you miss the most important thing that he left us with.

01:26:48.440 It wasn't the music.

01:26:49.600 It was the quote,

01:26:50.860 whoever dies with the most stuff wins.

01:26:52.380 Wins.

01:26:53.100 You know, the thing we're missing too,

01:26:55.040 one is the kind of a good,

01:26:57.220 I agree, I got too much stuff, man.

01:26:58.880 It's coming out of my,

01:26:59.660 the kind of a good that you actually do want to continue.

01:27:01.760 I assume it's the kind of good that you set on fire.

01:27:03.920 Yeah.

01:27:04.160 You know, like that you burn and then puff.

01:27:06.080 Like almost like a cigar.

01:27:07.260 Almost like a Mayflower.

01:27:08.780 The thing that we're missing though is,

01:27:11.300 I agree,

01:27:13.140 expanding commerce is a wonderful thing.

01:27:14.800 It's nice to have material goods.

01:27:16.600 It's actually necessary for a...

01:27:18.000 Yeah, it's not just nice.

01:27:19.100 I mean...

01:27:19.240 Yeah, no, it's actually necessary to sustain your life.

01:27:21.600 But the thing we're missing

01:27:22.480 when we talk about American exploration

01:27:24.120 and broader Western exploration

01:27:25.340 is that I think we kind of buy into

01:27:27.720 the left's argument a little bit,

01:27:28.960 which is that they just undertook

01:27:30.960 these great conquests for money.

01:27:33.200 They just did it for plunder.

01:27:34.480 And they didn't, actually.

01:27:35.960 That's right, that's right.

01:27:36.300 You know, I'm a big defender of Columbus

01:27:37.620 and I know the guy,

01:27:38.840 maybe he did some bad things.

01:27:40.360 He was not motivated only

01:27:42.620 or even primarily by money.

01:27:44.140 The man was trying to fund another crusade, okay?

01:27:47.180 The American...

01:27:48.580 One of the great heroes of...

01:27:49.620 One of the great heroes of the West,

01:27:50.880 after, ever.

01:27:52.040 You know, I don't think that Charles Martel

01:27:54.380 was motivated primarily by greed, okay?

01:27:56.500 I don't think Jan Sobieski was motivated

01:27:58.420 primarily by greed.

01:27:59.120 I don't think the American founding fathers were.

01:28:01.240 Almost all of them were impoverished

01:28:02.740 because of the revolution.

01:28:03.700 Or Neil Armstrong, for that matter.

01:28:04.500 Or Neil Armstrong, or any of these guys.

01:28:06.180 You know, they...

01:28:08.140 Many of them were undertaking colonial endeavors

01:28:10.020 to spread the faith.

01:28:11.820 You know, they were doing it

01:28:13.440 for the good of everyone.

01:28:15.160 I mean, there are politically incorrect poems

01:28:17.320 written to this effect

01:28:18.100 about the conquests in the Philippines.

01:28:20.060 But they really thought

01:28:21.520 that they were doing good for people

01:28:22.680 and I think they really were doing good for people.

01:28:24.440 And when you lose that part of it,

01:28:26.500 when you lose a sense of mission

01:28:27.840 for the purpose of man,

01:28:28.860 for what can be done

01:28:29.860 when there is peace on Earth

01:28:30.880 and how we can flourish,

01:28:31.920 then you're just left with buying more stuff

01:28:33.560 and that is degrading.

01:28:34.240 The spirit that gets into a shoebox,

01:28:35.920 which is essentially what Columbus did

01:28:37.740 in sales across the ocean blue,

01:28:39.660 is bigger than the spirit

01:28:40.880 that builds Amazon.com.

01:28:42.560 You know, you have...

01:28:43.640 It's wonderful that there's Amazon.com.

01:28:45.240 It's wonderful that there's entrepreneurs

01:28:46.600 and all these things.

01:28:47.720 Fantastic.

01:28:48.260 It's not a knock on them

01:28:49.440 to say you also have to get into a shoebox

01:28:51.160 and go someplace

01:28:51.920 and you do it for spiritual reasons.

01:28:54.060 It was a different kind of danger

01:28:55.280 that they went through to do it.

01:28:56.460 I mean, just thinking about the journey

01:28:57.840 that they made,

01:28:58.680 not knowing if there was anything there.

01:28:59.900 There was anything there, yeah.

01:29:01.140 You think about Cortez

01:29:02.400 conquering the Aztec Empire

01:29:04.200 with a ragtag group of...

01:29:05.400 One of the great men of history.

01:29:06.620 Right, right.

01:29:07.420 And yeah, I mean,

01:29:08.300 first of all,

01:29:09.060 being motivated partially by resources

01:29:11.620 and you got to get gold,

01:29:12.700 like there's nothing ignoble about that

01:29:14.920 to begin with,

01:29:15.620 but that alone is not going to drive men.

01:29:18.080 Right.

01:29:18.440 I mean, especially you think about

01:29:19.500 what they had to do.

01:29:20.780 You're getting on a ship

01:29:22.540 and going into an unknown ocean.

01:29:24.700 You have no idea.

01:29:25.280 You could easily die on the way.

01:29:26.600 The idea that you would do that

01:29:27.480 just to turn a profit is...

01:29:29.600 No, I mean, again,

01:29:30.440 I totally agree with this.

01:29:31.360 When I say three truths for capitalism

01:29:32.620 because capitalism is in the economic box,

01:29:34.600 that is the mechanism

01:29:35.380 by which you can actually effectuate

01:29:37.220 this sort of stuff.

01:29:38.100 But the person in the modern world...

01:29:40.380 So let's look at the modern world.

01:29:42.000 I mean, there's really only one direction to go

01:29:43.320 and that's up,

01:29:43.700 which is what Elon Musk is doing.

01:29:44.760 But all the borders have been drawn.

01:29:46.140 Every land has been discovered.

01:29:47.240 There's no uncharted land.

01:29:48.420 We have satellites.

01:29:49.120 We know where everything is at this point.

01:29:51.000 So the question is,

01:29:51.580 what is the modern man to do

01:29:53.020 if he has that exploratory instinct?

01:29:55.360 And this is why I come back to the idea

01:29:57.360 that the difference...

01:29:59.200 Maybe no one can be Columbus anymore

01:30:00.420 because you can't

01:30:01.280 unless you're going to actually get in a rocket

01:30:02.880 and go to Mars or something.

01:30:04.260 But barring that,

01:30:05.380 barring the three people on Earth

01:30:06.660 who are going to be able to actually try that,

01:30:08.320 you're just a normal guy.

01:30:09.240 He used to be a normal guy

01:30:09.900 who would pick up his stuff in New York

01:30:11.260 and then just start going

01:30:12.540 until they found wilderness.

01:30:13.960 But there's no more wilderness.

01:30:14.900 Right.

01:30:15.140 Okay.

01:30:15.620 So what exactly does that guy do?

01:30:17.020 And the answer is, in fact,

01:30:18.680 that he can still combine

01:30:20.140 the desire to do good for people

01:30:21.860 and the desire to serve a holier purpose

01:30:23.820 with commerce.

01:30:25.780 Yeah.

01:30:26.100 That is still there.

01:30:26.900 It's just you can't get in a covered wagon and do it.

01:30:29.580 I mean, there's just no kind of so good wagon.

01:30:31.060 Although, I do think one interesting thing

01:30:32.660 about what Elon Musk is doing

01:30:35.300 is that his rocket ship,

01:30:38.020 Starship,

01:30:38.880 which is meant to go to Mars,

01:30:40.940 doesn't seat three people.

01:30:42.000 It seats 100 people.

01:30:43.100 Yeah.

01:30:43.240 And he refers to it as a wagon.

01:30:47.120 He sees it in the same way

01:30:48.620 that those wagons were in the West.

01:30:51.300 I think that, you know,

01:30:53.300 Elon Musk could very well screw all of this up.

01:30:56.060 He's a human being

01:30:56.680 and God has a funny way of knocking men down

01:30:58.780 when they try to reach too high.

01:31:00.580 But right now,

01:31:01.600 Elon Musk is probably the greatest living human.

01:31:04.380 I don't know if he's a good man,

01:31:05.900 but certainly a great man.

01:31:07.360 And his actual desire

01:31:08.480 is not to see a man walk on Mars.

01:31:10.060 His desire is to send hundreds and hundreds of ships.

01:31:14.080 And having spent some time with him,

01:31:17.260 I can tell you

01:31:17.800 that the thing that is motivating him

01:31:19.580 is not the money.

01:31:20.720 He's got the money.

01:31:21.800 That's not what motivated him at all.

01:31:22.940 SpaceX was built as a profit-making vehicle

01:31:25.980 specifically so he could do the thing.

01:31:27.940 Which, by the way,

01:31:28.480 that's true of most great entrepreneurs.

01:31:30.580 Most great entrepreneurs are driven

01:31:31.860 by doing the thing

01:31:32.820 and they have to make the money

01:31:34.120 in order to do the thing.

01:31:35.420 It's not that they do it in order to make...

01:31:36.800 In fact,

01:31:37.440 this is good business advice

01:31:38.200 for pretty much anybody

01:31:38.840 because we get a lot of people

01:31:39.800 who ask us these questions.

01:31:41.100 One of the biggest mistakes people make

01:31:42.240 is they say,

01:31:42.740 I will do it for the money.

01:31:44.000 If you say you'll do it for the money,

01:31:45.120 you're not going to do it.

01:31:46.120 Okay?

01:31:46.420 You're not going to enjoy it.

01:31:47.180 You're not going to like it.

01:31:47.920 And it's actually...

01:31:48.360 And you're not going to get there.

01:31:49.000 The reason all of us here

01:31:49.920 do the things that we do

01:31:50.720 is because we have a sense of mission about it

01:31:52.180 and the money is a good byproduct

01:31:53.540 that helps incentivize us

01:31:54.580 to continue the mission.

01:31:55.580 But it's not the reason

01:31:56.520 that we do the thing.

01:31:57.580 We don't do the thing

01:31:58.360 for the money.

01:31:59.880 And so for Elon,

01:32:00.940 Elon has this very interesting

01:32:03.140 sort of thesis.

01:32:04.260 He's not a religious person,

01:32:05.180 but there's sort of a quasi-religious

01:32:07.900 justification of what he's doing.

01:32:09.280 He thinks that,

01:32:10.320 effectively speaking,

01:32:10.980 the reason that...

01:32:12.780 So his sort of guidebook

01:32:14.060 is Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, right?

01:32:15.620 He talks very frequently about this.

01:32:17.280 And the punchline

01:32:17.960 of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

01:32:19.000 is what's the meaning of the universe?

01:32:20.060 And they put it in the machine.

01:32:21.080 The machine says 42.

01:32:22.380 And then it says,

01:32:23.660 you're just asking the wrong questions, right?

01:32:24.980 The punchline is

01:32:25.600 you're just asking the wrong questions.

01:32:26.660 The answer is 42.

01:32:27.840 And so Elon's entire shtick is

01:32:29.400 that in his entire kind of way of thinking

01:32:31.220 is that the only way

01:32:32.720 that we can actually discover

01:32:34.040 the meaning of life

01:32:34.640 is to ask the right questions.

01:32:35.560 The only way that you can discover

01:32:36.660 the right questions

01:32:37.320 is to broaden out

01:32:38.720 the number of humans

01:32:39.780 and the number of places

01:32:40.740 those humans are in.

01:32:41.980 He kind of sees human beings,

01:32:43.240 I would say,

01:32:43.400 almost like neurons

01:32:43.980 in a giant brain almost.

01:32:46.060 And so the idea is

01:32:46.740 that if you expand human consciousness

01:32:48.100 onto other planets

01:32:49.360 or you put humans

01:32:50.040 in different places

01:32:50.940 and there are more humans,

01:32:51.660 you have more kids,

01:32:52.480 then you're actually going to be

01:32:53.200 asking better questions about that.

01:32:54.760 You may not like that.

01:32:55.680 You may think that's stupid,

01:32:56.660 but that's the thing

01:32:57.160 that's actually driving it.

01:32:58.500 And to tie everything

01:32:59.400 we've been talking about together

01:33:00.260 to go back to Candace's point

01:33:01.460 about the way men are built,

01:33:02.940 one of the things

01:33:03.460 that happens to men

01:33:04.200 much more powerfully

01:33:05.780 than it does in women

01:33:06.580 is that when we watch something,

01:33:08.680 the same places in our brain

01:33:10.040 light up as the person

01:33:10.900 who's doing it.

01:33:11.600 So when you and I

01:33:12.460 watch football,

01:33:13.340 we have the experience

01:33:14.380 of playing football

01:33:15.080 in our brains.

01:33:16.160 So you don't have to,

01:33:16.900 not everybody has to go to Mars.

01:33:18.460 If 100 people go to Mars,

01:33:19.860 we all go to Mars.

01:33:20.720 And that's one of the things

01:33:21.820 that is inspiring to men

01:33:22.980 and they see it

01:33:24.000 and it gives meaning

01:33:25.200 to everything.

01:33:26.160 I grew up in the time

01:33:27.020 of the space age

01:33:27.720 and it gave meaning

01:33:28.520 to the world.

01:33:29.300 We all thought,

01:33:30.000 oh, we are going to the moon.

01:33:31.780 And we watched that guy

01:33:32.920 walk on the moon

01:33:33.480 and we all walked on the moon.

01:33:34.220 It is an amazing distinction

01:33:35.060 between boys and girls,

01:33:35.860 by the way.

01:33:36.200 Yeah.

01:33:36.360 Like I have two boys

01:33:37.900 and two girls

01:33:38.340 and my oldest is super duper smart,

01:33:41.000 like reads it at high school level

01:33:42.320 and all this kind of stuff.

01:33:43.120 But when she's talking about space,

01:33:44.720 it's not the same way

01:33:45.260 as my seven-year-old son.

01:33:46.020 My seven-year-old son,

01:33:47.160 when he looks at videos of rockets

01:33:48.740 or when he's watching,

01:33:50.080 like he will literally sit there

01:33:51.020 and just watch documentaries

01:33:52.260 about rockets

01:33:53.040 because you can see him

01:33:53.920 just absolutely light up

01:33:55.360 in a fundamentally different way.

01:33:56.660 My boys like this.

01:33:57.820 It's amazing.

01:33:58.620 They watch the truck.

01:33:59.320 I'm like,

01:34:00.320 dude,

01:34:00.440 I don't want to look

01:34:00.920 at the garbage truck.

01:34:01.940 Go find your dad.

01:34:03.160 They love the garbage truck.

01:34:04.120 The freaking garbage truck

01:34:04.900 is like,

01:34:05.560 the garbage man is a hero.

01:34:07.520 I was thinking about this recently.

01:34:10.700 Landing on the moon

01:34:11.560 was the last moment

01:34:14.360 when the entire country

01:34:16.300 watched something

01:34:17.640 that was good.

01:34:19.900 It was the last moment

01:34:21.540 of national triumph.

01:34:22.480 Has there been,

01:34:23.360 like in my lifetime,

01:34:24.180 I'm trying to think of a time.

01:34:24.920 Hey, Lou and Travis,

01:34:25.380 come on.

01:34:25.600 Yeah.

01:34:26.240 Come for that.

01:34:26.900 They kissed at the party.

01:34:27.900 And that.

01:34:28.380 That's why I realized

01:34:29.520 people are emotionally

01:34:30.200 attached to the moon landing,

01:34:31.260 but we'll save our debate

01:34:32.380 for another day.

01:34:33.060 I already had it

01:34:34.600 out with Jeremy.

01:34:35.680 Wait, I want to say something

01:34:36.720 very quickly

01:34:37.220 because I want to add

01:34:37.700 to this point

01:34:38.040 that Ben is making

01:34:38.700 and that we've all

01:34:39.060 been making about

01:34:39.440 the differences

01:34:39.720 between men and women

01:34:40.320 and men wanting to conquest

01:34:41.720 and different things.

01:34:42.600 I will ask you guys

01:34:43.500 this question.

01:34:44.260 Who are the top three

01:34:45.220 most successful men

01:34:46.020 in the world?

01:34:46.720 Just throw in names.

01:34:47.340 All time or living?

01:34:48.460 In the world.

01:34:49.020 Living, I guess.

01:34:49.780 Living, living.

01:34:50.920 Me?

01:34:52.620 And you fail.

01:34:54.580 Elon Musk,

01:34:55.180 certainly you can't.

01:34:55.920 You can't make the list

01:34:56.840 to not get Elon Musk.

01:34:57.800 Correct.

01:34:58.380 Maybe Bezos.

01:34:59.440 Correct.

01:35:01.080 What do you mean

01:35:01.640 successful?

01:35:03.040 You guys are on the right track.

01:35:04.180 One, two, give me a third.

01:35:05.160 Arnold Burke.

01:35:06.040 I don't know.

01:35:06.420 I guess I'm going down

01:35:07.440 a different track.

01:35:07.640 Okay, now Richard Branson.

01:35:08.900 Great, perfect.

01:35:09.460 Three.

01:35:09.800 Give me the top three

01:35:10.480 most successful women

01:35:11.160 in the world.

01:35:13.320 Hillary Clinton.

01:35:13.620 Well, sweet little Elisa.

01:35:14.800 I thought it was you.

01:35:15.440 No, no, go on.

01:35:16.580 It's interesting.

01:35:17.200 Watch what happens.

01:35:18.040 Give me the top three

01:35:18.620 most successful women

01:35:19.520 in the world.

01:35:20.160 Yes, go ahead.

01:35:20.920 Our favorite artist,

01:35:22.260 Taylor Swift.

01:35:22.820 Okay, that's correct.

01:35:23.660 Give me a third one.

01:35:24.920 Hillary Rodham Clinton.

01:35:26.620 Stop.

01:35:27.100 Give me a real third one.

01:35:28.080 Give me a real third one.

01:35:29.620 I like that you accepted

01:35:30.200 everybody else's garbage answer.

01:35:31.280 No, fail.

01:35:32.400 Governor Stacey Abrams?

01:35:33.920 Does she count?

01:35:34.480 Give me a third one.

01:35:35.380 Come on.

01:35:35.800 You've got Oprah,

01:35:36.980 Taylor Swift.

01:35:37.620 Charles Sandberg.

01:35:38.420 Okay, great.

01:35:39.200 So what's really fascinating,

01:35:40.360 if you look at the list

01:35:41.060 of the most success,

01:35:42.380 if you ask them that question,

01:35:43.200 they instantly give you

01:35:44.060 the richest men in the world.

01:35:45.360 They're the richest men

01:35:46.000 in the world.

01:35:46.260 Jeff Bezos,

01:35:47.240 Elon Musk,

01:35:48.000 things that they've built.

01:35:49.020 When you go to women,

01:35:50.100 you instantly start naming

01:35:51.420 what women are good at.

01:35:52.680 Communication.

01:35:53.380 Right.

01:35:53.600 Taylor Swift is a singer.

01:35:54.880 Emotion.

01:35:55.520 Oprah is a communicator.

01:35:56.660 And when you look at the list

01:35:57.860 of the most successful,

01:35:59.240 like richest people in the world,

01:36:00.560 the only time women

01:36:01.340 are on the list

01:36:02.000 is because they've inherited wealth,

01:36:03.560 which is fascinating,

01:36:04.640 except for one woman.

01:36:06.080 No one's ever heard her name

01:36:07.240 and she is the wealthiest,

01:36:08.340 self-earned billionaire

01:36:09.880 in the world.

01:36:10.580 I can't even remember her name.

01:36:11.680 She's in my book

01:36:12.420 that I'm writing right now.

01:36:13.640 No, no.

01:36:14.160 She's in my book.

01:36:14.840 It's a Russian e-commerce billionaire,

01:36:16.880 but nobody has ever heard her name

01:36:18.240 because women

01:36:18.800 are not interested in that.

01:36:21.340 Yes, that is her name.

01:36:22.420 And that's really...

01:36:23.060 She made that up.

01:36:23.460 No, no.

01:36:24.200 I think her name is literally

01:36:25.120 Sabana.

01:36:25.980 It's like something like that.

01:36:26.760 It's a very Russian name.

01:36:28.200 And the reason why

01:36:29.000 I was writing this in the book

01:36:29.800 is just to say that

01:36:30.460 what men and women

01:36:31.400 are interested in

01:36:31.920 is so different.

01:36:32.700 Women decided on

01:36:33.800 who was the most successful women

01:36:34.940 because we listen to Taylor Swift,

01:36:36.300 we listen to Oprah,

01:36:37.140 and they've kind of been able

01:36:38.540 to monetize femininity.

01:36:40.340 Like communication.

01:36:41.400 Taylor Swift tells a story

01:36:42.500 about a boy who broke her heart

01:36:44.180 for the 17th time

01:36:45.200 and women are like swooned

01:36:46.360 and amazing in emotion.

01:36:48.000 But when men are great,

01:36:49.260 they're always building.

01:36:50.420 I don't mean to...

01:36:51.920 Yeah, it's really interesting.

01:36:52.860 I'm not trying to sound like

01:36:52.880 Gandhi or something here,

01:36:54.080 but truly,

01:36:54.780 when you ask me that question,

01:36:55.760 who's the most successful man

01:36:56.720 in the world

01:36:57.020 or certainly the most successful

01:36:58.020 woman in the world,

01:36:58.700 I wouldn't have named

01:36:59.280 any of those people

01:37:00.140 because they're all super rich.

01:37:01.680 I would not count money or...

01:37:04.360 But Taylor Swift and Oprah,

01:37:05.140 actually,

01:37:05.340 you're not anywhere near

01:37:06.220 as rich as...

01:37:06.840 No, certainly not.

01:37:07.460 A billion dollars

01:37:07.940 compared to 200 billion

01:37:08.620 or whatever,

01:37:08.980 but I really...

01:37:09.700 A successful man is not...

01:37:10.840 No, I would consider

01:37:11.780 a successful man.

01:37:12.660 I mean, I gave the answer

01:37:13.980 of Cardinal Raymond Burke.

01:37:15.540 Like, I actually believe

01:37:18.120 that the most successful...

01:37:19.480 You could not pay me

01:37:20.680 to trade spots with Elon Musk.

01:37:21.460 I wouldn't do it.

01:37:22.200 She didn't ask...

01:37:22.680 No, I didn't ask

01:37:23.240 if you would trade spots.

01:37:24.120 I said they'd be the most successful.

01:37:25.500 I said, yeah,

01:37:25.960 the most successful.

01:37:26.480 So you want to be a Cardinal?

01:37:28.160 Well, my wife might be...

01:37:29.540 She might be happy, actually,

01:37:30.540 if I became a Cardinal.

01:37:31.460 I just...

01:37:32.020 I really don't...

01:37:33.480 I don't know.

01:37:33.800 Maybe...

01:37:34.100 Don't worry.

01:37:34.940 I said in my book,

01:37:35.920 the average person

01:37:37.040 would say Elon Musk,

01:37:38.040 and we all know

01:37:38.980 that you are exceptional.

01:37:40.760 I've said it for years.

01:37:41.960 I just really...

01:37:42.820 Like, it does get

01:37:44.580 into our heads a little bit

01:37:45.620 that success is measured

01:37:47.440 by money,

01:37:47.880 and then women's success

01:37:48.920 is measured by being

01:37:49.700 most like men.

01:37:50.680 That's what the whole culture says.

01:37:51.920 I think probably

01:37:52.340 the most successful women

01:37:53.080 in the world

01:37:53.380 are people we've never heard of,

01:37:54.420 present company excluded.

01:37:55.580 It's going to be like

01:37:56.340 some housewife

01:37:57.480 in the middle of nowhere

01:37:58.400 who has the most happy,

01:38:00.220 flourishing, wonderful life...

01:38:01.580 No, but that's important.

01:38:01.940 That's different.

01:38:02.400 Yeah, that's different.

01:38:03.220 I use the word success,

01:38:04.380 and I ask you

01:38:04.820 what your instant instinct is

01:38:05.780 because it's just interesting

01:38:06.660 that every person I've asked

01:38:08.360 has said the same names.

01:38:09.380 Like, if you say a man,

01:38:10.120 they go Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos,

01:38:11.400 and it's because

01:38:12.180 they have conquested in a way.

01:38:14.160 The most successful man

01:38:14.840 is the one that has the most kids,

01:38:15.800 but is still married to the wife.

01:38:17.680 I actually agree with that.

01:38:19.000 So I want to...

01:38:20.500 We promised at the top of the show

01:38:21.740 we're going to take questions

01:38:22.800 from our Daily Wire Plus members.

01:38:25.460 These are the people

01:38:25.800 who make it possible

01:38:26.320 for us to do a show like this

01:38:27.500 where we just talk ad nauseum

01:38:29.160 about things that aren't even

01:38:30.700 all that interesting

01:38:31.480 to the average soul

01:38:33.000 out in the world.

01:38:34.040 It's because of our

01:38:34.500 Daily Wire Plus members.

01:38:35.980 They're people who've come to us

01:38:37.580 either because they love the shows,

01:38:38.760 they love the content,

01:38:39.600 What is a Woman?

01:38:40.520 Huge success for the company,

01:38:42.560 Convicting a Murderer,

01:38:43.280 huge success for the company.

01:38:44.300 All of us were in Lady Ballers,

01:38:46.340 which was the huge success

01:38:47.620 of the latter half of last year.

01:38:49.540 And a masterpiece.

01:38:50.160 Truly, truly.

01:38:51.660 Citizen Kane, Lady Ballers,

01:38:54.200 Godfather.

01:38:55.260 Godfather too.

01:38:55.840 Godfather too.

01:38:58.980 But we're very grateful

01:39:00.040 to our members,

01:39:00.560 and so we want to hear

01:39:01.400 from you guys.

01:39:01.960 The first question

01:39:02.480 is for Candace.

01:39:05.860 Thank you for the amazing series,

01:39:07.520 A Shot in the Dark.

01:39:08.480 It's impacted the way

01:39:09.300 that I make medical decisions

01:39:10.320 for my child in a big way.

01:39:11.460 Why did you decide

01:39:12.620 to dive into the world

01:39:13.500 of vaccines in the first place,

01:39:14.720 and will you be covering

01:39:15.600 other big pharma corruption

01:39:16.760 outside of vaccines

01:39:18.020 in the future?

01:39:18.780 I'm actually really happy

01:39:19.580 you asked this question.

01:39:20.240 The thing that I am most proud

01:39:21.100 of that I do

01:39:21.600 is actually A Shot in the Dark,

01:39:22.800 and I am really going to

01:39:24.580 push that show a lot this year.

01:39:26.880 The reason that I do this show

01:39:28.100 is because I was vaccine injured

01:39:29.560 by the Gardasil shot.

01:39:31.120 Very traumatizing situation.

01:39:32.600 Totally healthy.

01:39:33.380 No problems.

01:39:34.020 I was 20 years old.

01:39:35.200 Saw the commercials.

01:39:36.020 Everyone should get this shot.

01:39:37.040 Doctor told me to get it,

01:39:37.920 and I had basically

01:39:38.820 a mini seizure in the room

01:39:39.940 getting the shot.

01:39:41.220 Now they have added

01:39:42.040 that you can get a seizure

01:39:43.080 getting the shot, you know,

01:39:44.240 and when I looked

01:39:44.820 into the statistics

01:39:45.420 and I thought to myself,

01:39:46.320 why did I get this shot?

01:39:47.440 Because they just did a commercial

01:39:48.520 and said I should do it.

01:39:49.660 Doctor told me to get it.

01:39:50.560 I actually know nothing

01:39:51.300 about this shot

01:39:51.980 other than a doctor

01:39:52.860 said I should do it,

01:39:53.960 and that's not really

01:39:54.640 a good reason

01:39:55.240 to have a seizure, right?

01:39:56.380 Like, so when I did my research,

01:39:58.580 I was shocked

01:39:59.320 at what I discovered,

01:40:00.560 which is that effectively

01:40:01.780 the lowest chance you have

01:40:03.280 of getting any cancer

01:40:03.980 as a woman

01:40:04.400 is cervical cancer.

01:40:05.520 We covered this in the episode,

01:40:06.980 and I just realized

01:40:07.760 that people are not

01:40:08.820 making informed decisions,

01:40:09.880 and I didn't do this series

01:40:11.340 because I wanted every person

01:40:12.400 to do what I did

01:40:13.140 and not back their children.

01:40:14.380 That's what I ultimately

01:40:14.980 decided not to do.

01:40:16.120 I wanted to do this series

01:40:17.400 so that people

01:40:17.980 could at least have

01:40:18.740 a conversation

01:40:19.460 with their doctor

01:40:20.160 and know something

01:40:21.140 and not be tethered

01:40:22.360 by arbitrary fears.

01:40:23.580 As an example,

01:40:24.560 the tetanus shot.

01:40:25.380 I had a doctor tweet me today,

01:40:26.520 I'm going to be really excited

01:40:27.320 when tetanus shots come back,

01:40:28.500 when tetanus comes back

01:40:29.320 because of Candace.

01:40:30.420 At its peak incidence

01:40:31.360 in the United States,

01:40:32.460 in terms of cases,

01:40:33.760 only 550 people

01:40:35.220 in the United States

01:40:35.760 were even getting tetanus.

01:40:37.100 Forget dying from it,

01:40:38.000 even getting it.

01:40:38.880 Most parents don't know that,

01:40:39.940 so it might change your mind

01:40:40.900 about how severe it is

01:40:42.280 for your kid

01:40:42.660 to get 12 tetanus shots

01:40:44.160 and whether or not

01:40:44.980 the risks that they

01:40:45.800 don't give you in the office,

01:40:46.940 which all of them

01:40:47.700 basically say

01:40:48.340 you can have a seizure,

01:40:49.680 is worth it.

01:40:50.520 And I think it was just

01:40:51.640 kind of special timing.

01:40:53.220 I pitched this hard

01:40:54.280 to Jeremy and Caleb,

01:40:55.800 and it was unique timing

01:40:56.700 because I was doing this

01:40:58.300 before the COVID stuff,

01:40:59.520 and now there seems

01:41:00.240 to be people that are

01:41:00.740 interested in wanting

01:41:01.460 to be more educated

01:41:02.140 because so many people

01:41:03.520 were injured.

01:41:04.520 Some people got injured

01:41:05.100 by the COVID vaccine,

01:41:05.820 some people didn't.

01:41:06.480 But I just want people

01:41:07.520 to be informed,

01:41:08.320 and obviously as a mother now,

01:41:09.860 it's the most important

01:41:11.500 topic to me.

01:41:12.220 Let me ask,

01:41:16.000 Drew, did you vaccinate

01:41:17.200 your kids?

01:41:18.740 My kids?

01:41:19.660 Yeah, the basic vaccines, yeah.

01:41:21.900 Basic vaccines?

01:41:24.260 No.

01:41:26.080 Even the TV?

01:41:27.240 Anything?

01:41:28.860 A couple of them,

01:41:29.840 but not all of them.

01:41:31.140 Not all of them?

01:41:31.560 We started to like one or two

01:41:32.940 and then didn't,

01:41:34.100 then we stopped.

01:41:36.280 Yes, but not like COVID.

01:41:38.820 No COVID vaccine

01:41:39.540 for the?

01:41:40.020 No, no, no, no, no.

01:41:42.440 And I feel like we could have

01:41:43.340 never even said that

01:41:44.640 five years ago.

01:41:45.820 Like you would just,

01:41:46.520 hey, anti-vax,

01:41:47.240 we get all of them.

01:41:48.060 But the truth is,

01:41:48.800 like when I was growing up,

01:41:49.820 there was 12 that you had to get,

01:41:51.860 and now it's 74.

01:41:53.400 And that's a lot of vaccines.

01:41:54.840 So we should be having

01:41:56.020 this discussion,

01:41:56.600 and people should be able

01:41:57.380 to say yes to some

01:41:58.380 if they want to,

01:41:59.480 no to some if they don't want to,

01:42:00.600 and not have to wear

01:42:01.640 you're an anti-vaxxer

01:42:03.120 like a Scarlet Letter,

01:42:04.280 which by the way,

01:42:04.760 I am an anti-vaxxer

01:42:05.520 and I wear it like a Scarlet Letter.

01:42:06.700 I'm very proud of myself.

01:42:07.920 But I never encourage

01:42:09.140 in this series.

01:42:09.740 We've done really amazing work here

01:42:11.460 with the Shot in the Dark series.

01:42:13.160 We use only sources

01:42:14.200 from like the CDC,

01:42:15.820 you know, NIH,

01:42:16.840 above board.

01:42:17.520 We're not on Reddit feeds,

01:42:18.500 even though I am on Reddit feeds.

01:42:20.040 That's not what we're giving you.

01:42:21.480 And I'm just glad

01:42:22.360 that moms are really responding to it

01:42:24.180 and feel more.

01:42:24.440 What about covering

01:42:24.980 other big pharma corruption?

01:42:26.540 Yeah, we actually just started

01:42:27.400 the birth control series.

01:42:28.460 I'm also radically against birth control.

01:42:29.620 Let's go.

01:42:29.880 Oh, now we're talking, baby.

01:42:31.080 I've been pregnant for three years.

01:42:32.160 Just kidding.

01:42:33.140 No, I really haven't.

01:42:33.920 She hasn't.

01:42:35.400 That's not a joke.

01:42:36.260 That's true.

01:42:36.660 But that's another thing.

01:42:38.020 Women are now

01:42:39.240 increasingly infertile.

01:42:41.000 They don't know why.

01:42:42.060 And just thinking about,

01:42:42.940 I only did birth control

01:42:43.820 for a month

01:42:44.340 and I just thought

01:42:45.160 it was weird

01:42:45.600 that everywhere I went

01:42:46.740 to the doctor,

01:42:47.200 they were like,

01:42:47.560 birth control.

01:42:48.340 And I was like,

01:42:48.920 you have a pimple.

01:42:49.520 Birth control.

01:42:50.280 You're tired.

01:42:50.780 Like 12-year-olds.

01:42:51.160 Birth control, yeah.

01:42:52.100 And now that they're passing laws

01:42:54.000 that 12-year-olds can decide

01:42:55.280 without their parents there.

01:42:57.260 And you're not thinking about

01:42:58.440 when you're 12,

01:42:59.040 your fertility

01:42:59.460 because you just think

01:43:00.220 you're going to live forever.

01:43:01.100 You don't care

01:43:01.520 if you're going to have kids.

01:43:02.800 You're making decisions

01:43:03.520 that right on the insert

01:43:04.600 it says,

01:43:05.220 this can give you breast cancer.

01:43:06.560 This can impact your fertility.

01:43:09.260 These are very serious decisions

01:43:10.500 who you fall in love with.

01:43:12.060 That's also a fact as well.

01:43:13.440 You pursue more effeminate men

01:43:15.600 because it's tricking your brain.

01:43:16.940 It's a brain drug.

01:43:18.400 It's tricking your brain.

01:43:19.280 The hypothalamus region

01:43:20.580 of thinking that you're pregnant.

01:43:22.620 Do you really want a 12-year-old

01:43:23.720 to think they're pregnant

01:43:24.560 until they're 30

01:43:25.380 and they're ready to have kids

01:43:26.280 and you think

01:43:26.540 that's not going to have any impact?

01:43:28.140 Common sense tells you

01:43:29.180 obviously it's going to impact your body.

01:43:32.280 So it's a, you know,

01:43:33.280 we've just shot six episodes

01:43:35.100 regarding birth control

01:43:35.960 and we're going to keep going.

01:43:37.280 Let's see the next question, please.

01:43:38.620 The next one after this one.

01:43:40.920 Scrub to the whatever it is

01:43:42.120 right there for Michael Benn.

01:43:44.600 If Biden is ousted from office

01:43:46.260 and Kamala becomes president,

01:43:47.920 do you see her becoming

01:43:48.740 the Democratic nominee

01:43:49.580 or someone else,

01:43:50.640 if someone else, who?

01:43:52.360 If Biden's ousted,

01:43:53.280 meaning like impeached

01:43:54.120 and convicted,

01:43:54.600 that'll never happen.

01:43:55.340 Like he dies right now.

01:43:56.200 Like he died

01:43:56.640 or 25th Amendment or something.

01:43:58.260 Yeah, the thing is

01:43:59.520 they would probably have to,

01:44:01.680 they wouldn't want to pick Kamala,

01:44:03.040 but I don't see how they

01:44:04.460 push out the first black.

01:44:05.260 Well, if Biden were to die,

01:44:06.920 God forbid,

01:44:07.520 nobody wants to see

01:44:08.560 that story play out that way.

01:44:09.620 So they wouldn't have to do anything.

01:44:13.300 The Constitution makes her the president.

01:44:14.840 But would she be the nominee?

01:44:15.780 And if she were the president,

01:44:16.940 she would be the nominee.

01:44:17.900 100%.

01:44:18.220 I think there's no way.

01:44:19.980 They would try to oust her

01:44:21.460 because they know

01:44:21.900 she's a terrible politician.

01:44:23.160 However,

01:44:23.720 I think if she were the president,

01:44:26.520 they wouldn't even try to oust her.

01:44:28.140 I do know that right now

01:44:29.220 there is a move afoot

01:44:30.340 to have her step down

01:44:32.180 as vice president

01:44:32.880 and to pay her

01:44:33.980 a five-year,

01:44:34.960 $100 million deal

01:44:36.240 to run a foundation

01:44:38.520 for the next five years.

01:44:39.620 So she would make

01:44:40.320 $20 million a year.

01:44:41.560 That's because

01:44:42.280 they know that there is

01:44:43.660 the possibility

01:44:44.340 that Joe Biden

01:44:44.980 won't be able to run for president.

01:44:46.280 Maybe not likely,

01:44:47.200 but certainly possible.

01:44:48.440 And they know

01:44:48.940 how deeply unpopular she is.

01:44:50.980 And the Democrats

01:44:51.420 are in a real bind

01:44:52.180 because if they set aside

01:44:53.960 Kamala for, say,

01:44:55.620 Gavin Newsom,

01:44:56.560 their entire coalition

01:44:57.480 falls apart on them.

01:44:58.380 Yeah.

01:44:58.660 Which is why I truly believe

01:45:00.460 that there is a 25% chance

01:45:01.880 that Michelle Obama

01:45:02.680 is the next president.

01:45:03.400 She doesn't want it.

01:45:03.900 She does not want it.

01:45:05.140 She doesn't want it.

01:45:05.660 But you say she doesn't want it.

01:45:08.140 Everyone wants it.

01:45:09.540 It's one thing to say

01:45:10.500 she doesn't want it

01:45:11.240 in a way that would cause

01:45:12.220 her to run for president.

01:45:13.800 I agree.

01:45:14.320 Michelle Obama

01:45:14.820 would never leave

01:45:15.640 her cushy life

01:45:16.480 of being universally beloved

01:45:17.660 to run for president.

01:45:19.880 But if Joe Biden

01:45:21.460 is incapacitated

01:45:22.380 and they need someone

01:45:24.120 who can preempt

01:45:25.860 Kamala Harris,

01:45:27.740 which can't be Gavin Newsom,

01:45:29.620 assuming that they can't get

01:45:30.560 Kamala to step down

01:45:31.380 by paying her off,

01:45:32.680 they have one option.

01:45:34.400 And that option

01:45:35.120 is to put the ring

01:45:36.080 on the table

01:45:36.800 in front of Michelle Obama

01:45:38.320 and say,

01:45:38.900 you don't have to run

01:45:39.760 for president.

01:45:40.400 But there's a general.

01:45:41.200 It will be unanimous consent

01:45:42.500 at the convention.

01:45:44.340 But there's a general.

01:45:45.260 She's not going to want

01:45:45.940 to be in that general.

01:45:47.200 She will not run

01:45:48.060 for president.

01:45:49.020 If they put the ring

01:45:50.100 of power on the table

01:45:51.800 and say,

01:45:52.620 unanimous acclimation

01:45:54.340 at the DNC,

01:45:55.640 she will never attend.

01:45:56.400 So the percentage

01:45:57.160 is higher than she.

01:45:57.900 She will never attend

01:46:00.340 a single rally.

01:46:01.700 Well, maybe a few rallies.

01:46:02.960 She'll never attend a debate.

01:46:04.180 That's correct.

01:46:04.500 Certainly not.

01:46:04.980 She will just sit back

01:46:06.100 and wait to be elected

01:46:06.960 and I believe we would not,

01:46:08.580 if that were to happen,

01:46:09.860 we would not be able

01:46:10.480 to stop her.

01:46:11.120 I agree with that analysis.

01:46:12.780 Listen.

01:46:13.400 It's terrible.

01:46:14.120 I hate that that's true.

01:46:14.880 That's what I believe.

01:46:15.620 She would just say no.

01:46:16.680 I think they would go to her,

01:46:18.380 but I think she would say no

01:46:19.340 because she wants

01:46:20.360 to have a private life now.

01:46:21.840 Now they've released everything

01:46:23.000 about her husband

01:46:23.540 being a homo.

01:46:24.740 So it's a lot.

01:46:25.880 It's just a lot

01:46:26.540 for her and her kids

01:46:27.440 to go through.

01:46:27.740 Does America really need

01:46:28.700 the second black man?

01:46:30.100 No.

01:46:31.720 Thank you, Media Matters,

01:46:32.780 for watching the show tonight.

01:46:36.180 For Ben, 2024,

01:46:38.160 would you ever vote

01:46:39.060 for an independent?

01:46:40.020 I think this is an

01:46:40.780 RFK Jr. question.

01:46:41.820 I mean, so it's...

01:46:43.040 I would not vote

01:46:43.900 for RFK Jr. above Trump.

01:46:45.200 I mean, if the candidates

01:46:46.320 are Trump, RFK Jr.,

01:46:47.520 and Biden,

01:46:47.960 I'm voting Trump.

01:46:49.040 If there were

01:46:49.820 another independent

01:46:50.860 who better represented

01:46:52.040 my values...

01:46:52.680 Or no left.

01:46:53.580 Yeah, obviously.

01:46:54.740 I love Cornell.

01:46:55.360 Joel Stein.

01:46:56.020 Yeah, exactly.

01:46:57.540 I don't care about

01:46:58.480 the party labels.

01:46:59.460 I care about the ideology

01:47:00.300 of the candidates

01:47:00.880 who are running for office.

01:47:02.560 And the possibility

01:47:03.120 of just winning.

01:47:04.020 Yes, yes.

01:47:04.980 I mean, like,

01:47:05.340 throwing away your vote

01:47:05.960 on somebody who's likely

01:47:07.140 to degrade the vote

01:47:07.980 of the person

01:47:08.420 who I think would

01:47:09.040 actually have a shot.

01:47:10.080 It's why I don't vote

01:47:11.420 third party.

01:47:12.680 So, yeah,

01:47:13.500 I think that the chances

01:47:14.500 are really low.

01:47:15.620 Ironically,

01:47:16.420 I actually thought

01:47:17.200 that the smartest thing

01:47:17.860 during the Super Bowl

01:47:18.420 was that RFK ad.

01:47:19.160 I thought that RFK ad

01:47:19.820 was quite brilliant

01:47:20.360 during the Super Bowl,

01:47:21.240 even though I have

01:47:22.440 no intent to vote for him.

01:47:23.680 I thought that

01:47:25.000 what he was actively doing

01:47:26.260 in that ad

01:47:26.900 was effectively making

01:47:27.960 a Make America Great Again

01:47:28.900 argument.

01:47:29.780 He was running a 1960,

01:47:31.100 I mean, I knew that

01:47:31.580 because I studied this stuff,

01:47:32.780 I knew that ad immediately.

01:47:34.140 Like, I knew that

01:47:34.540 that was a Kennedy jingle.

01:47:35.700 I knew it was from 1960.

01:47:37.040 Like, I recognized all of it.

01:47:37.980 I could sing along with it.

01:47:39.160 So, but you don't have to.

01:47:40.580 You can see the aesthetic of it

01:47:41.620 was obviously

01:47:42.280 a throwback to 1960.

01:47:44.000 It was his face plastered

01:47:45.220 above where his uncle's face

01:47:46.280 once was,

01:47:47.520 using all the imagery

01:47:49.020 of a bright, sunny future

01:47:50.280 for America.

01:47:51.240 And so he actively

01:47:51.900 was basically saying

01:47:52.840 make America great again,

01:47:53.880 but do it through me.

01:47:55.060 And then the key was

01:47:56.200 vote independent.

01:47:57.220 And the polls show

01:47:57.880 Americans really hate

01:47:59.140 both parties,

01:47:59.660 like really, really,

01:48:00.600 really hate both parties

01:48:01.420 and do not like

01:48:02.160 either of the main candidates

01:48:03.240 for the presidency.

01:48:04.460 I mean, Republicans,

01:48:05.040 I think, are,

01:48:06.100 I think we've convinced

01:48:06.860 ourselves that Joe Biden

01:48:07.500 has no shot at the presidency.

01:48:08.740 And I think that's

01:48:09.160 a wild supposition.

01:48:10.380 Yeah.

01:48:10.860 Joe Biden is a dead person

01:48:12.200 and he has a very good shot

01:48:13.120 at the presidency.

01:48:14.020 That does not mean

01:48:14.540 that he's going to win.

01:48:15.520 But it does mean

01:48:16.000 that this is going to be a very,

01:48:17.100 like right now,

01:48:17.780 86% of Americans

01:48:19.780 say that Joe Biden

01:48:20.560 is too old

01:48:21.120 to be president

01:48:21.600 of the United States.

01:48:22.720 And right now,

01:48:23.940 in the real-class politics

01:48:24.800 polling average,

01:48:25.560 he's within a point

01:48:26.220 and a half of Donald Trump.

01:48:27.400 Yeah.

01:48:27.680 That should not be happening.

01:48:29.080 If you were running

01:48:29.500 at 86%,

01:48:30.140 86% of people think he's dead

01:48:31.580 and he's still

01:48:32.320 within a point and a half.

01:48:33.120 Trump should be up

01:48:33.580 on him 10 points

01:48:34.220 at this point.

01:48:35.220 And so what that says

01:48:35.860 is that both parties

01:48:36.660 are really dissatisfying

01:48:38.240 the American people.

01:48:39.780 And so if there were

01:48:40.400 sort of a more

01:48:42.280 mainstream independent candidate

01:48:44.420 who just said,

01:48:45.420 I'm running as an independent,

01:48:46.540 I don't like you,

01:48:47.040 if they're,

01:48:47.780 if Ross Perot

01:48:48.300 were running

01:48:48.560 this election cycle,

01:48:49.200 he'd be president.

01:48:53.060 For moi.

01:48:54.940 I've been keeping up

01:48:55.960 with the production diaries

01:48:56.880 for the Penn Dragon cycle

01:48:58.180 and it looks so cool.

01:48:59.180 Do you have a favorite

01:48:59.820 memory from filming?

01:49:01.300 I loved coming home.

01:49:04.780 I can't speak highly enough

01:49:06.180 about coming home.

01:49:07.380 I was seven months

01:49:08.480 last year,

01:49:09.400 all told,

01:49:10.180 in Europe,

01:49:10.780 six of them,

01:49:11.760 more or less contiguous

01:49:12.620 with the one exception

01:49:15.660 of coming home

01:49:16.120 from my grandfather's funeral

01:49:17.080 and the Lady Ballers premiere,

01:49:18.680 which happened to coincide.

01:49:21.000 It was,

01:49:21.640 it was an amazing experience.

01:49:25.040 Italy and Hungary,

01:49:26.200 both in their own unique ways,

01:49:28.080 wonderful places,

01:49:29.020 very welcoming to us,

01:49:30.660 the food,

01:49:31.200 unbelievable.

01:49:32.740 It was incredibly difficult.

01:49:35.240 If I were to say,

01:49:36.460 so coming home

01:49:37.240 really was a wonderful thing.

01:49:38.360 It was nice to be

01:49:38.940 finished with it.

01:49:39.960 But I will say

01:49:40.960 that one of my favorite things

01:49:42.200 about making the show,

01:49:44.980 obviously our cast was,

01:49:47.080 when you guys see the actors,

01:49:48.480 you're just not going to believe

01:49:49.280 how terrific they are,

01:49:50.960 but my far and away

01:49:51.900 favorite memory

01:49:52.980 from the show.

01:49:54.560 We were at this place

01:49:55.640 called Fossanova Abbey,

01:49:57.420 which is actually

01:49:58.840 where Thomas Aquinas died.

01:50:01.720 And it's this beautiful abbey

01:50:03.160 south of Rome

01:50:03.960 in these olive orchards,

01:50:06.960 the whole mountain's

01:50:08.120 covered in olive orchards.

01:50:09.040 And my first favorite memory

01:50:13.560 is that the day

01:50:14.760 after Lady Ballers,

01:50:15.540 I shaved

01:50:16.040 because I had that silly

01:50:17.400 Robert Downey Jr. goatee.

01:50:21.220 And the next day,

01:50:22.100 I got on a plane

01:50:22.680 and flew straight to Rome

01:50:23.560 where they picked me up

01:50:24.140 from the airport

01:50:24.500 and took me to Fossanova

01:50:25.460 to scout it.

01:50:26.300 And we scouted this abbey.

01:50:27.740 And as I drug my

01:50:29.260 almost dead carcass

01:50:30.340 to the van,

01:50:31.860 I hear someone say,

01:50:32.720 is that Jeremy Boring?

01:50:34.140 And it was a priest

01:50:35.400 of the abbey

01:50:35.960 who was of Argentine extraction.

01:50:39.040 Who recognized me

01:50:40.720 without my beard.

01:50:41.600 And I just want to point out

01:50:42.380 that when I got home

01:50:43.360 that night that I'd

01:50:44.920 shaved my beard,

01:50:45.580 my wife didn't recognize me

01:50:47.000 and almost shot me.

01:50:48.680 So I couldn't,

01:50:49.260 so of course it was

01:50:49.980 very gratifying.

01:50:50.680 But my favorite memory

01:50:51.480 was being at the abbey

01:50:52.320 many months later

01:50:53.280 shooting a scene

01:50:54.400 in which

01:50:54.980 50 background actors

01:50:57.740 had to sing this song

01:50:58.840 that we had written

01:50:59.900 for the episode.

01:51:01.200 And we're in this beautiful

01:51:02.240 12th century church

01:51:03.900 and 50 people

01:51:04.680 raise up their voice

01:51:05.660 in this vaulted

01:51:06.580 cathedral type building

01:51:07.920 singing this song

01:51:09.080 that we had written

01:51:09.660 in unison.

01:51:10.180 Of a deeply important

01:51:13.360 part of Welsh lore.

01:51:16.640 It was just one

01:51:17.220 of those moments

01:51:17.640 you'll never replicate

01:51:18.420 in your entire life.

01:51:19.360 Wow.

01:51:19.780 Just hearing

01:51:20.300 that beautiful building

01:51:21.780 filled with a melody

01:51:23.180 and lyrics

01:51:23.640 that you had penned.

01:51:25.400 Wow.

01:51:25.640 It was just a phenomenal,

01:51:26.740 a phenomenal moment

01:51:27.920 and one that I'm sure

01:51:28.560 I'll treasure

01:51:29.960 for however much longer

01:51:30.800 I get to live

01:51:31.440 which if I keep making shows

01:51:32.420 like the Pendragon side

01:51:33.300 it would be long.

01:51:34.760 For Michael,

01:51:35.460 we're going to take

01:51:35.900 a couple more.

01:51:36.360 What is your opinion

01:51:37.520 of matchmaking?

01:51:39.200 I met my current boyfriend,

01:51:40.300 yes we're both Catholic,

01:51:41.560 via matchmaking site

01:51:42.600 and we're planning

01:51:43.200 on marrying next year.

01:51:44.100 Do you think

01:51:44.580 this could be

01:51:45.320 a viable option

01:51:46.140 for people

01:51:46.640 who are serious

01:51:47.240 about marriage

01:51:47.820 and family values?

01:51:48.860 Totally.

01:51:49.460 Frankly,

01:51:50.060 you asked me

01:51:50.600 because I'm Catholic.

01:51:51.400 Probably Ben is the better

01:51:52.140 one to ask about this

01:51:52.880 because people ask

01:51:54.420 about the online sites

01:51:55.360 and I say

01:51:55.900 I didn't do it.

01:51:56.680 I just missed it.

01:51:57.980 But I'm not totally

01:51:59.760 opposed to it.

01:52:00.400 That's just how

01:52:01.020 people date today.

01:52:01.820 I don't think it's ideal.

01:52:02.840 We're incarnate beings.

01:52:03.640 I think it's better

01:52:04.200 to meet in real life

01:52:05.800 through flesh and blood

01:52:06.620 relations and it's

01:52:07.500 a little safer

01:52:08.580 and it's probably

01:52:09.520 more conducive

01:52:10.280 to happiness.

01:52:11.320 But that's the way

01:52:12.060 people date now

01:52:12.740 and so if you're

01:52:13.140 going to do it,

01:52:13.680 better to do it

01:52:14.340 in a very intentional way.

01:52:16.220 Ben, are you a yenta?

01:52:17.100 Find me a fine?

01:52:17.780 Catch me a catch?

01:52:18.420 Yeah, I've fixed up

01:52:19.120 some couples before.

01:52:19.920 Yeah.

01:52:20.280 Yeah, really.

01:52:20.900 So first of all,

01:52:22.320 if you are in a community

01:52:23.700 with a lot of other couples,

01:52:24.840 this sort of stuff

01:52:25.260 comes up pretty frequently.

01:52:26.140 There'll be somebody

01:52:26.580 who's single

01:52:27.000 that you know

01:52:27.820 and then you ask

01:52:28.780 your friends.

01:52:29.300 So do you know

01:52:29.640 anybody who's around

01:52:30.400 that age

01:52:31.060 who might be

01:52:31.600 a possible match?

01:52:33.000 And it's something

01:52:33.380 that in our community

01:52:34.280 is really huge.

01:52:35.400 Like we really try

01:52:36.500 to facilitate this

01:52:37.280 because how else

01:52:38.140 are people going

01:52:38.860 to meet each other

01:52:39.400 who are compatible

01:52:40.040 values-wise?

01:52:41.900 Frankly, I think

01:52:42.480 it's a great way

01:52:43.200 to, it's why I think

01:52:44.780 single people

01:52:45.260 should join churches

01:52:46.180 specifically for this purpose.

01:52:47.920 Not just because

01:52:48.500 there are singles events

01:52:49.180 at the church

01:52:49.560 but because you're

01:52:50.100 going to meet

01:52:50.320 married people

01:52:50.800 and the married people

01:52:51.320 have sisters and brothers

01:52:52.080 and those people

01:52:53.180 are going to say

01:52:53.720 I have a brother,

01:52:54.280 I have a sister

01:52:54.760 and you really should

01:52:55.300 meet that person.

01:52:56.280 And that's how,

01:52:56.800 I mean that's how

01:52:57.360 everybody used to meet

01:52:58.080 and that was a much

01:52:58.980 better filtering mechanism

01:53:00.560 than going to a bar

01:53:01.480 or something.

01:53:02.220 I match made two people

01:53:03.300 that are getting

01:53:03.720 married this year

01:53:04.360 and also I played

01:53:06.000 the youngest daughter

01:53:06.600 in Fiddler on the Roof

01:53:07.280 so I got that reference.

01:53:08.900 Tradition.

01:53:09.560 Yeah.

01:53:10.020 Everyone needs a yenta.

01:53:10.980 I played Rolf.

01:53:12.140 Did you?

01:53:12.660 Yeah, we would have

01:53:13.200 gotten married

01:53:13.740 if we were in

01:53:14.160 the same production.

01:53:14.680 That is so crazy.

01:53:15.720 I played Rolf

01:53:16.420 in The Sound of Music

01:53:17.300 which is a different,

01:53:18.420 that's actually

01:53:18.800 a totally different version.

01:53:19.500 Well if we ever

01:53:19.740 stayed in the dream.

01:53:20.460 Right, right.

01:53:21.580 You know,

01:53:22.060 the other piece of advice

01:53:22.960 though on this

01:53:23.420 that no one ever makes

01:53:24.760 because no one gets married

01:53:26.100 until they're like 55 now

01:53:27.160 is fine,

01:53:27.980 there's ways to do it,

01:53:28.800 it's okay,

01:53:29.280 just get married,

01:53:29.960 you'll have a good life.

01:53:31.520 Young love is great.

01:53:32.940 Young love is really good.

01:53:34.100 I married my high school

01:53:34.840 sweetheart

01:53:35.160 and it's,

01:53:37.660 you never hear this

01:53:39.040 from conservatives

01:53:39.600 but if you're doing

01:53:40.940 a sweet little

01:53:41.520 high school dating thing

01:53:42.500 your entire culture

01:53:43.560 is going to tell you

01:53:44.260 you've got to split up,

01:53:45.340 you can never get married,

01:53:46.120 don't marry your

01:53:46.540 high school sweetheart,

01:53:47.260 it's crazy.

01:53:48.380 It's really great actually

01:53:49.800 and I highly recommend it.

01:53:51.040 In fairness,

01:53:51.680 your wife wouldn't

01:53:52.320 and anyone who had

01:53:53.800 a chance to marry

01:53:54.560 your high school sweetheart

01:53:55.660 would have been lucky

01:53:56.300 to have done so.

01:53:56.860 Yes.

01:53:57.380 This question is for you.

01:53:58.540 Why do you not seem to grasp,

01:54:00.080 wow,

01:54:00.340 this seems aggressive.

01:54:01.100 Oh man,

01:54:01.460 goodness.

01:54:01.560 Why do you not seem to grasp

01:54:02.920 that millennials were sold

01:54:04.220 an American dream

01:54:04.880 that doesn't exist anymore

01:54:05.900 and that's a bad thing

01:54:07.100 in spite of some

01:54:07.760 of the woke takes on it?

01:54:08.800 Yeah,

01:54:08.960 you boomer.

01:54:10.760 I love that Mac,

01:54:11.720 it's an angry question.

01:54:12.900 Has there ever been

01:54:14.140 a single angry question?

01:54:15.460 Of course it goes to me.

01:54:17.060 I'm not exactly sure

01:54:18.060 what did I say that's there?

01:54:19.380 I have a sense of this.

01:54:20.820 Suggest that I don't grasp that.

01:54:23.140 They say you're a boomer.

01:54:24.280 They say that anytime

01:54:25.320 you see one of these videos

01:54:26.660 of a millennial sort of lamenting

01:54:29.280 their station,

01:54:30.420 you always have a kind of...

01:54:32.280 Get off your ass

01:54:32.900 and go do something.

01:54:33.320 Get off your ass.

01:54:33.780 Oh yeah.

01:54:34.220 I mean,

01:54:34.860 look,

01:54:35.120 I totally grasp the situation

01:54:38.160 that young people are in,

01:54:40.380 that we're all in,

01:54:41.020 that the economy is in bad shape

01:54:42.520 and I understand all that.

01:54:43.920 I also understand

01:54:44.420 that working is hard

01:54:46.980 and that it's not fun

01:54:48.220 and especially if you're working

01:54:49.640 like an office job

01:54:50.660 where you don't really,

01:54:52.000 you know,

01:54:52.200 to work is hard,

01:54:53.780 to work a job

01:54:54.460 that you don't care about

01:54:55.220 is even harder psychologically.

01:54:58.880 My only point is that,

01:55:00.540 okay,

01:55:02.460 yes,

01:55:03.060 that is all true.

01:55:05.120 Now what?

01:55:05.980 So now that we've agreed

01:55:07.120 that the American dream is dead,

01:55:08.900 everything is terrible,

01:55:09.540 everything is awful,

01:55:10.820 we all got a bad deal,

01:55:13.080 the world is a horrible place.

01:55:15.260 Okay,

01:55:15.580 good.

01:55:15.800 We're all on the same page.

01:55:17.640 What's the next step?

01:55:18.900 What are you doing next?

01:55:19.820 And my radical suggestion

01:55:21.240 is that you can either

01:55:23.140 lay down in a heap on the floor

01:55:24.940 and cry yourself to sleep

01:55:26.180 and wither away and die,

01:55:28.580 like that's one option,

01:55:29.600 or you can just get up

01:55:31.040 and get back to work

01:55:32.540 and deal with it

01:55:34.120 because those are the only

01:55:35.100 two possible options

01:55:36.360 and so everyone

01:55:36.900 that gives me one of these

01:55:37.600 frankly bullshit questions,

01:55:40.760 it's like,

01:55:41.300 I grasp it,

01:55:43.180 but what is your other...

01:55:44.620 Bro,

01:55:45.260 don't raise your voice.

01:55:46.240 It wasn't my question.

01:55:47.720 I'm the messenger.

01:55:49.000 What they'll say is

01:55:50.180 you're right on the individual level,

01:55:52.160 but that we can also address

01:55:53.920 the political problem.

01:55:54.780 Yes, we can.

01:55:55.360 Hold on a second.

01:55:56.380 We can address the political problem.

01:55:58.220 Let's address it.

01:55:59.440 Fantastic.

01:56:00.560 But tomorrow,

01:56:01.640 you still have to wake up

01:56:03.260 and do something

01:56:04.400 and that probably involves

01:56:06.520 going to work

01:56:07.400 and you can go to work

01:56:08.820 and you can cry the whole time

01:56:10.080 and whine about it

01:56:10.940 or you can make the best

01:56:12.180 of your situation

01:56:12.900 and you can say,

01:56:13.900 you know what you can say to yourself?

01:56:14.720 You can say,

01:56:15.100 you know what?

01:56:16.680 Everyone else

01:56:17.520 is crying about the fact

01:56:19.160 they have to go to work,

01:56:19.800 they're putting in minimal effort,

01:56:21.380 they're lamenting it,

01:56:23.360 they have a bad attitude

01:56:24.040 the whole time.

01:56:24.980 I will take advantage

01:56:26.100 of that situation

01:56:27.000 and I will be the one

01:56:28.180 who is ambitious

01:56:29.420 and has a goal

01:56:30.800 and I'm in there

01:56:31.700 and even though I hate it,

01:56:32.660 I'll put a smile on my face.

01:56:33.800 You could climb above

01:56:34.620 all these people.

01:56:35.160 It's like when you go to the...

01:56:37.500 Every time you go to

01:56:38.560 a fast food place

01:56:39.280 these days, right?

01:56:41.000 Unless you go to Chick-fil-A,

01:56:43.180 you go to a fast food place,

01:56:45.460 you feel bad

01:56:46.740 when you walk in the door

01:56:47.520 because they hate you

01:56:48.380 for being there.

01:56:49.120 The employees

01:56:49.840 aggressively hate you

01:56:51.500 just for walking in the door

01:56:52.620 and when the bar

01:56:55.100 is that low,

01:56:56.400 if you are a fast food employee

01:56:57.940 and I get it,

01:56:58.580 I work these jobs,

01:56:59.360 I hated it,

01:57:00.620 but if you just

01:57:01.720 show up on time,

01:57:03.040 tuck your shirt in,

01:57:04.200 you're pleasant

01:57:04.640 to the customers

01:57:05.660 that come in,

01:57:06.200 if you just do that,

01:57:07.860 you already are rising,

01:57:10.200 you're creaming the crop already.

01:57:11.380 And so my message

01:57:13.420 is one of like hope.

01:57:16.000 I don't understand

01:57:16.720 why people don't see that.

01:57:18.100 This is a hopeful message

01:57:19.300 of take control of it.

01:57:20.160 This is the maddest thing ever.

01:57:22.680 Mr. Hopefulness.

01:57:23.620 It's the delivery.

01:57:24.580 Is it not?

01:57:25.040 I totally agree.

01:57:25.760 It is.

01:57:26.280 What am I missing?

01:57:27.240 Well, you missed one thing,

01:57:28.500 which is that

01:57:28.980 In-N-Out Burger

01:57:29.780 also has friendly employees.

01:57:31.140 Okay, fine.

01:57:31.600 But also...

01:57:32.480 And Arby's.

01:57:33.060 Can I say one other thing?

01:57:35.320 Another point I want to make

01:57:36.280 is that whenever I talk about this,

01:57:37.760 I get accused,

01:57:39.180 people accuse me,

01:57:40.400 well, you don't understand.

01:57:42.160 You know,

01:57:42.560 you were born with a silver spoon.

01:57:44.880 Give me a break.

01:57:45.460 Okay, I grew up

01:57:47.180 in a family of eight,

01:57:48.620 very middle class.

01:57:49.960 We lived in a four-bedroom house

01:57:51.920 with eight people.

01:57:52.840 I'm not saying we were poor.

01:57:53.800 We were not rich at all.

01:57:54.700 You walked uphill in the snow

01:57:55.840 both ways.

01:57:56.320 We did.

01:57:57.460 I worked all of these jobs

01:57:59.620 when I was 22 years old.

01:58:02.600 I was making $17,000 a year.

01:58:04.180 I was living in a one-bedroom apartment

01:58:05.440 that had roaches

01:58:06.440 all over the place.

01:58:07.280 I had a drug addict's

01:58:08.240 living next to me

01:58:09.280 and below me.

01:58:09.740 It was terrible.

01:58:10.700 So I get it.

01:58:12.040 I do understand it.

01:58:13.160 But at a certain point,

01:58:14.400 you have to say to yourself,

01:58:15.320 this is the situation I'm in.

01:58:17.020 I don't want to be

01:58:17.840 in this situation anymore.

01:58:19.320 What do I have to do

01:58:20.500 to not be in it?

01:58:21.900 And then you set that goal

01:58:23.220 for yourself

01:58:23.760 and you obsessively pursue it

01:58:25.600 until you achieve it.

01:58:26.900 And if it takes a year,

01:58:28.220 if it takes five years

01:58:28.960 or ten years...

01:58:29.600 By the way,

01:58:30.080 you're totally right.

01:58:30.720 That stupid defense mechanism,

01:58:32.000 which is that

01:58:32.420 if you're successful now,

01:58:33.360 it must have been

01:58:33.820 that you were born

01:58:34.400 with a silver spoon,

01:58:35.260 is so obnoxious and stupid.

01:58:37.060 I mean,

01:58:37.760 to take the example

01:58:38.380 of Elon Musk again,

01:58:39.200 Elon Musk was not

01:58:40.000 like an emerald scion.

01:58:41.900 That's not true.

01:58:43.040 He was like dirt poor

01:58:44.060 and he came to Canada

01:58:45.340 and was like driving around

01:58:46.580 in a car with no money

01:58:48.700 and somehow like finagled his way

01:58:51.540 into an apartment

01:58:52.480 and a school.

01:58:53.940 And I mean,

01:58:54.680 that's true for,

01:58:55.300 I think,

01:58:55.700 a huge number of us.

01:58:57.100 None of us?

01:58:57.940 By the way,

01:58:58.240 I get that same crap.

01:58:59.360 I mean,

01:58:59.520 I grew up in a...

01:59:00.620 Your mom was a movie producer.

01:59:02.320 She rich.

01:59:03.040 My mom started off

01:59:04.020 as an education major secretary

01:59:05.640 at the lowest level

01:59:06.600 of her company

01:59:07.160 and my dad was a musician

01:59:08.720 in Hollywood,

01:59:09.380 which does not make any money.

01:59:10.660 Okay,

01:59:10.820 let me be very clear about this.

01:59:12.060 It's why I'm not a musician.

01:59:13.180 It's because you cannot

01:59:14.160 make money at that.

01:59:15.080 I grew up in a two-bedroom household

01:59:16.860 with four kids.

01:59:18.020 There were six people

01:59:18.500 in a two-bedroom household

01:59:19.240 in one bathroom.

01:59:20.140 It was 1,100 square feet

01:59:21.200 in Burbank.

01:59:21.860 We were like,

01:59:22.840 you know,

01:59:23.160 it's great.

01:59:23.800 That's America.

01:59:24.380 That's fine.

01:59:25.140 That's not like

01:59:25.660 living high on the hog,

01:59:27.580 but the assumption

01:59:28.260 in the United States

01:59:29.020 is always,

01:59:29.560 and I find it ugly,

01:59:30.740 that if somebody succeeds

01:59:31.920 financially,

01:59:32.740 it's because they started

01:59:33.820 off financially successful

01:59:34.940 and that's not true

01:59:35.860 statistically speaking.

01:59:36.880 It's really,

01:59:37.500 really not true.

01:59:38.400 A huge percentage of people

01:59:39.560 who end up being rich

01:59:40.700 did not start off rich.

01:59:42.480 There is something

01:59:42.980 kind of funny.

01:59:43.820 It loops,

01:59:44.500 sorry,

01:59:44.800 it loops into the,

01:59:46.440 I'm just,

01:59:46.800 I'm heated

01:59:47.120 because I'm being challenged

01:59:48.220 by the question.

01:59:48.380 Yeah,

01:59:48.520 you boomer.

01:59:49.760 It loops into the question

01:59:50.840 of marriage,

01:59:51.300 shoot.

01:59:51.440 Yes,

01:59:51.640 it happens with marriage.

01:59:52.500 If you have a successful marriage,

01:59:53.480 they say,

01:59:53.740 well,

01:59:53.780 you don't understand

01:59:54.240 because you have

01:59:54.500 a successful marriage.

01:59:55.100 You're lucky.

01:59:55.580 Don't you understand

01:59:56.400 that I understand more

01:59:57.800 because I have

01:59:58.220 a successful marriage?

01:59:58.840 Don't you want to know

01:59:59.860 how I managed to be married

02:00:01.560 for 12 years

02:00:02.120 and have six kids?

02:00:03.260 Aren't you interested

02:00:04.160 to know that?

02:00:05.480 It's not an egotistical

02:00:06.580 thing on my part.

02:00:07.360 I want to tell you

02:00:08.600 what goes into it.

02:00:10.040 It's not easy

02:00:10.720 but it can be done.

02:00:11.680 There's kind of an irony.

02:00:12.620 I think in defense,

02:00:14.500 not in defense

02:00:15.020 because I actually

02:00:15.480 100% agree with you

02:00:16.740 but I also see,

02:00:18.460 like when I see these videos

02:00:19.380 of the girls crying

02:00:20.160 on TikTok,

02:00:21.260 I just go back

02:00:21.760 to this matriarchy

02:00:22.440 and I do feel bad

02:00:23.680 for them

02:00:23.980 because the truth is

02:00:25.340 is that men are wired

02:00:26.660 to do the same thing

02:00:28.280 day in and day out

02:00:30.080 in a way

02:00:30.560 that women are not

02:00:31.840 and I think that

02:00:32.540 a lot of these women

02:00:33.420 go into,

02:00:35.320 come out of universities

02:00:36.180 where you're forced,

02:00:37.320 I was forced,

02:00:37.980 to take a feminism

02:00:38.460 101 class.

02:00:39.700 You've got culture

02:00:40.340 booming at you

02:00:41.020 that this is going

02:00:41.460 to be so great

02:00:42.180 when you get out

02:00:42.920 and that this is going

02:00:43.700 to be empowering

02:00:44.240 and then reality

02:00:45.680 smacks women so hard

02:00:47.620 because it's women

02:00:48.480 that are cosplaying

02:00:49.580 as men, right?

02:00:50.220 So you're not the man

02:00:50.900 that has to cosplay

02:00:51.520 as a woman.

02:00:52.060 It'd be like if society

02:00:52.600 kept saying to you,

02:00:53.640 Matt, just stay home

02:00:54.420 and listen to babies

02:00:55.680 crying all day.

02:00:56.220 Stay home

02:00:56.540 and then you get there

02:00:57.500 and you suddenly realize

02:00:58.100 I'm not really wired

02:00:59.560 to do this.

02:01:00.580 So they're just kind of

02:01:01.280 having their freakouts

02:01:02.260 in real time

02:01:02.900 of recognizing

02:01:03.400 that they've been sold

02:01:04.500 a bill of lies

02:01:05.440 and like they would

02:01:06.060 much rather be living.

02:01:06.940 That's absolutely the case.

02:01:07.820 And so it's men

02:01:08.540 versus women.

02:01:09.240 I do feel bad for them

02:01:10.020 but I also agree with you

02:01:10.960 that crying on the internet

02:01:12.580 about it

02:01:13.160 and trauma dumping

02:01:14.300 as they're calling

02:01:14.980 the new trend

02:01:15.560 is not going to

02:01:16.760 fix your scenario

02:01:17.900 but you could get married

02:01:18.600 younger and skip

02:01:19.240 You're 100% right

02:01:20.460 in everything that you said.

02:01:21.260 The only thing

02:01:21.620 that I'll say though

02:01:22.240 is that for a lot

02:01:23.420 of these young women

02:01:24.000 that are complaining

02:01:24.600 one of the things

02:01:25.940 that they're complaining

02:01:26.540 about is that

02:01:27.260 they don't have

02:01:27.640 enough free time

02:01:28.300 and that they have

02:01:28.720 to do a lot of work

02:01:29.320 and it's very hard

02:01:29.960 and my point is that

02:01:30.860 yeah a lot of them

02:01:32.960 would be much happier

02:01:33.680 if they just got married

02:01:34.440 and had kids

02:01:34.980 but if you do that

02:01:36.120 guess what?

02:01:37.120 You're going to have

02:01:37.500 even less hard free time.

02:01:38.920 You're wired for it.

02:01:39.740 Women are wired for it.

02:01:40.520 So my mind

02:01:41.400 you probably would agree

02:01:42.160 but like when a baby cries

02:01:44.320 men the way that

02:01:45.320 they hear that

02:01:46.020 is a lot different

02:01:46.780 than the way women hear it.

02:01:48.060 Like men are like

02:01:48.560 just make it stop

02:01:49.640 and women are like

02:01:50.440 I want to go

02:01:52.200 make this better.

02:01:53.180 All that is absolutely true

02:01:54.120 but my only point is

02:01:54.860 that no matter

02:01:55.240 what you do in life

02:01:56.160 it's going to come

02:01:57.260 with work.

02:01:58.120 To live is to work.

02:01:59.640 Life is work.

02:02:01.300 It always has been.

02:02:02.300 People that try

02:02:02.680 to blame it on capitalism

02:02:03.620 that's ridiculous

02:02:04.340 prior to the industrial age

02:02:05.640 your whole life

02:02:06.840 you woke up at dawn

02:02:08.100 you were out on the farm

02:02:09.000 you came home

02:02:09.540 when it was dark

02:02:10.120 you went to bed

02:02:11.060 you hardly had anything to eat.

02:02:11.980 There were more feast days though.

02:02:13.780 There were more days.

02:02:14.360 True.

02:02:14.780 But every

02:02:15.580 We have this expectation

02:02:19.000 this is one of the things

02:02:19.740 built into these videos

02:02:20.680 is that

02:02:21.880 well they won't have

02:02:22.440 a lot more free time

02:02:23.160 they won't have

02:02:23.600 free time in a way

02:02:24.980 that has never existed

02:02:25.820 for the human race ever

02:02:26.920 because free time for us means

02:02:28.640 I want to spend hours

02:02:30.200 every day

02:02:31.020 doing nothing at all

02:02:32.980 and having no responsibilities

02:02:34.060 at all

02:02:34.540 and my only point is that

02:02:35.580 that kind of thing

02:02:37.020 has never existed

02:02:37.900 for anyone

02:02:38.360 that's not on the table

02:02:39.200 for most people.

02:02:39.740 My only

02:02:40.240 I agree with

02:02:41.960 basically everything

02:02:43.040 that's been said.

02:02:43.840 That's why God

02:02:44.220 literally had to say

02:02:45.100 take a day off.

02:02:46.580 I agree with everything

02:02:47.420 that's been said

02:02:47.880 other than

02:02:48.360 we used to have

02:02:48.880 more feast days

02:02:49.500 we used to have

02:02:50.240 more common goods

02:02:51.720 so we used to have

02:02:52.440 more like

02:02:52.980 nice cathedrals

02:02:53.940 so poor people

02:02:54.580 could go see

02:02:55.040 big beautiful art

02:02:55.780 and go participate

02:02:56.460 in beautiful liturgy.

02:02:56.720 They were a lot poor

02:02:57.440 to be fair.

02:02:58.300 They were super

02:02:59.320 they were poor

02:03:00.000 everyone was a lot poor

02:03:01.680 everybody was a lot poor

02:03:02.940 but

02:03:03.400 so I agree with

02:03:04.440 all of this stuff

02:03:05.140 however

02:03:05.980 all of us here

02:03:08.440 to your point Matt

02:03:09.120 none of us grew up rich

02:03:10.360 I guess Drew

02:03:11.220 you grew up like

02:03:11.940 a little bit richer

02:03:12.760 more probably than the rest

02:03:13.780 and then you chose

02:03:14.800 to be poor

02:03:15.420 you chose to be the poorest

02:03:16.400 by becoming a novelist

02:03:17.420 we all

02:03:18.100 you know

02:03:18.520 I talked to a buddy

02:03:19.260 of mine the other day

02:03:19.880 who's pretty successful

02:03:20.640 and he said

02:03:21.800 I said it's so crazy man

02:03:23.340 because he handles

02:03:23.920 some of my financial stuff

02:03:25.100 and he said

02:03:25.420 I said it's so crazy man

02:03:26.600 I went from making no money

02:03:27.720 to Ben promised me

02:03:29.020 my check is in the mail

02:03:29.820 so I'm telling you

02:03:30.500 you know

02:03:30.740 it's coming

02:03:31.340 so just wait for it

02:03:32.280 and he said

02:03:33.040 yeah yeah

02:03:33.440 but you know

02:03:33.900 you like me

02:03:34.760 like all of us

02:03:35.460 basically worked for free

02:03:36.760 for like years

02:03:37.840 you know

02:03:38.300 and now we make

02:03:39.600 significantly more money

02:03:40.740 so I think there's

02:03:41.820 something to that

02:03:42.520 just you know

02:03:43.440 grind really hard

02:03:44.260 and have a vision

02:03:44.820 of where you want to go

02:03:45.480 and do all of that

02:03:46.420 sort of stuff

02:03:46.860 but to quote the new leftists

02:03:49.040 who are very successful

02:03:50.060 at changing the culture

02:03:50.900 and maybe conservatives

02:03:51.860 can learn from them

02:03:52.720 as Chris Ruffo

02:03:53.300 writes about in his new book

02:03:54.200 the fear is that

02:03:56.200 if you merely accept

02:03:57.500 those conditions

02:03:58.320 that we all agree

02:03:59.220 are terrible

02:03:59.740 the degradation of the family

02:04:01.380 the degradation of political order

02:04:02.400 it dulls the revolutionary spirit

02:04:05.340 and so while we should do that

02:04:06.740 and we should grind hard

02:04:07.400 and get married

02:04:07.900 and work hard

02:04:08.600 and do all this stuff

02:04:09.300 we should also have an eye

02:04:10.860 toward the political order

02:04:11.800 and say

02:04:12.120 hey you know

02:04:13.000 Hungary says

02:04:14.260 you don't have to pay taxes

02:04:15.180 if you have more than three kids

02:04:16.380 that seems like a good way

02:04:17.760 to encourage family

02:04:18.560 hey maybe we can have

02:04:20.200 maybe we can close our borders

02:04:21.380 maybe we can do things

02:04:22.460 that would improve

02:04:23.220 the actual economic conditions

02:04:24.860 in the country

02:04:25.360 but what you're talking about

02:04:26.160 is what Jordan

02:04:26.940 has been talking about

02:04:27.880 and why he's so successful

02:04:29.260 and why he deserves

02:04:30.180 that success

02:04:31.080 is that he says

02:04:31.740 make your bed

02:04:32.620 fix your world

02:04:34.240 your world has to

02:04:35.160 you have to fix your world

02:04:36.520 before you do anything

02:04:37.660 with the real world

02:04:38.380 because if you can't do that

02:04:40.040 I mean these guys

02:04:40.680 who throw tomato sauce

02:04:42.660 on paintings

02:04:43.300 because then that's going

02:04:44.200 to save the climate

02:04:44.960 have lost that simple idea

02:04:47.600 that you have to start

02:04:48.580 with yourself

02:04:49.020 you just have to

02:04:49.660 but also

02:04:50.440 it also just underscores

02:04:51.580 the point I was making earlier

02:04:52.260 about men and women

02:04:53.000 defining success

02:04:53.640 in a different way

02:04:54.140 so I think if a man

02:04:54.980 goes to work

02:04:55.780 and he climbs the ladder

02:04:56.780 it feels like success

02:04:58.300 or like I can be the best at here

02:04:59.620 but for women

02:05:00.280 that sharing compassion

02:05:02.620 is how they measure success

02:05:03.780 and so even if you've got kids

02:05:05.340 screaming around you all day

02:05:06.300 you feel like you've had

02:05:07.740 a successful day

02:05:08.580 and most of these women

02:05:10.640 are at office jobs

02:05:12.020 and they're just realizing

02:05:13.520 I'm not

02:05:14.180 I don't feel successful

02:05:15.060 at what I'm doing

02:05:15.840 and they're kind of

02:05:17.660 unfortunately

02:05:18.300 in the internet age

02:05:19.260 and they're crying online

02:05:20.660 but you're absolutely right

02:05:22.440 I mean you're right

02:05:23.020 what else are you going to do

02:05:24.240 what I should do

02:05:25.160 is wrap the show

02:05:25.800 but instead

02:05:26.260 I want to give Drew

02:05:26.880 the last question

02:05:27.560 because I've never done that

02:05:28.600 a single time

02:05:29.620 and because I actually think

02:05:30.780 this is a question

02:05:31.460 that matters going into 2024

02:05:33.900 Drew the stress of politics

02:05:36.440 the stress that politics creates

02:05:38.360 is beginning to cause strife

02:05:39.400 in my marriage

02:05:40.100 do you have any advice

02:05:41.260 leading into 2024

02:05:42.180 to keep a healthy balance

02:05:43.380 between being involved

02:05:44.740 while also not letting it

02:05:45.940 break our marriage apart

02:05:47.140 sign Jill Biden

02:05:48.100 well yeah

02:05:51.260 first I would take out

02:05:52.020 the being involved

02:05:52.720 with the politics

02:05:53.500 I mean if you're having

02:05:54.880 a problem with your marriage

02:05:55.820 get rid of as much

02:05:56.900 of the politics as you can

02:05:58.000 forget about it

02:05:58.780 just take a walk

02:05:59.580 make love to your wife

02:06:00.460 or your husband

02:06:00.940 whoever you are

02:06:01.640 you know just do the things

02:06:03.720 that are marriage

02:06:04.360 instead of the things

02:06:05.120 that are politics

02:06:05.720 because you can actually

02:06:06.960 eliminate politics

02:06:08.120 from your life

02:06:08.700 and be perfectly happy

02:06:09.860 without them

02:06:10.380 in this world

02:06:11.640 it is difficult to do that

02:06:12.980 I acknowledge that

02:06:13.920 and so if you have to talk

02:06:15.160 about politics

02:06:15.820 with your spouse

02:06:16.740 which is probably a mistake

02:06:18.340 talk about principles

02:06:19.660 don't talk about people

02:06:20.760 don't talk about

02:06:21.520 Trump did this

02:06:22.100 Biden did that

02:06:22.820 talk about the things

02:06:23.780 that you believe

02:06:24.300 and why you believe them

02:06:25.280 and discuss them

02:06:26.200 in a loving polite way

02:06:27.820 and then go have sex

02:06:29.340 and take a walk

02:06:30.240 because really

02:06:31.000 the sex and the walk

02:06:31.900 are much more important

02:06:32.820 than who gets elected president

02:06:33.980 I agree

02:06:34.520 and I would add one thing

02:06:35.560 which is have hope

02:06:36.760 have a sense of agency

02:06:38.620 always

02:06:38.960 have a belief

02:06:39.660 that God unfolds history

02:06:40.880 not man

02:06:41.380 and I'll tell you something

02:06:42.580 that's helped me

02:06:43.360 is I've

02:06:43.820 my whole life

02:06:44.800 we've said

02:06:45.100 every presidential election

02:06:46.160 is the most important

02:06:47.020 election of our lifetime

02:06:47.980 this is not the most important

02:06:49.880 election of our lifetime

02:06:50.620 2012 was the most important

02:06:52.360 election of our lifetime

02:06:53.460 and we lost

02:06:54.480 and the work that's before us now

02:06:56.900 the work that we have to do

02:06:57.820 because we lost 2012

02:06:59.000 is a generational work

02:07:00.540 and knowing that it's

02:07:01.780 a generational work

02:07:02.500 doesn't mean that we don't

02:07:03.180 need to win this election

02:07:03.980 we do need to win it

02:07:04.860 we might not

02:07:06.240 that's not

02:07:07.040 we have to just put one foot

02:07:09.500 in front of the other

02:07:10.120 take the steps

02:07:11.160 cast the vote

02:07:11.900 do the things that you need to do

02:07:13.080 and know that hope lies

02:07:14.880 right out there

02:07:16.020 beyond this moment

02:07:18.260 I have to make one last point

02:07:19.720 I wish you would

02:07:20.280 when I arrived here

02:07:21.700 I was the only hopeful person

02:07:23.000 now you're all hopeful

02:07:23.880 my work here is done

02:07:24.780 that's a great

02:07:27.160 cruise work here

02:07:28.300 that's a great note

02:07:29.540 to end on

02:07:30.400 please don't go near

02:07:34.360 even near any stairs

02:07:35.460 yeah really

02:07:35.980 thank you everybody

02:07:36.920 for hanging out with us

02:07:37.940 tonight

02:07:38.320 we will see you

02:07:39.200 on the next

02:07:39.900 Daily Wire backstage

02:07:40.600 we'll see you next time

The Matt Walsh Show - February 14, 2024

Daily Wire Backstage： Red Pillers are Wrong. Marriage is Good.

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