The Matt Walsh Show - Daily Wire Backstage： RNC-Ya At The Polls Edition

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody. This is Matt Walsh. This episode of Backstage features all of the Daily Wire hosts

00:00:04.380 as we unpack the RNC and the surrounding madness. We're talking about the speakers,

00:00:08.060 the riots, what we all thought of Trump's big speech. And the best part, I get to have a little

00:00:12.140 chat about having to watch the DNC. So I hope you enjoy it. Thanks for listening.

00:00:17.980 You guys want to open up with like a good old-fashioned fake laugh in three, two, one.

00:00:25.940 Welcome to the Daily Wire Backstage RNC at the polls edition.

00:00:30.000 I'm Jeremy Boring, known around here as the God King, and I'm very glad that you've tuned in.

00:00:35.720 How well did the Republicans make their case this week? Was it a mistake not broadcasting

00:00:39.520 riot footage on a continuous loop like I said they should? How many more cities will the left

00:00:43.980 burn down before the election? As Biden poll numbers follow him into the basement, the question is,

00:00:48.780 will either of them stay there? I didn't understand that last sentence. I really should read these

00:00:52.900 things before we actually go live. Michael, what are you doing? Well, I'm enjoying a mostly

00:00:59.900 peaceful cocktail. Oh, my God.

00:01:17.040 Well, hey there. Hi there. Ho there, folks. Very glad to be with you again, joining me to discuss

00:01:22.160 all of the news of this week and more. Of course, Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles, and a special guest,

00:01:27.340 our very own Matt Walsh. Matt, we're really glad to have you with us. We've been trying to save the

00:01:31.740 Clayton for several months now, and I got no notification he wasn't going to be here,

00:01:36.620 so I can only assume the worst. We did our best.

00:01:40.340 Well, this is what it is. You know, words of a famous man.

00:01:45.320 Also, we have the lovely Alicia Krause with us via satellite. Alicia, what have you got?

00:01:49.260 Hey, guys. I just want to tell everybody to please stick around, because after the show,

00:01:52.780 we're going to be doing an all-access live with Jeremy, Ben, Michael, and Matt. And don't worry,

00:01:57.920 Jeremy, about Drew. Even though you haven't heard from him, and he is super-duper old. He's just on

00:02:02.820 vacation. He hasn't died of the COVID yet. And of course, I will be hosting that members-only

00:02:07.640 live stream discussion, and I will try to keep the boys in line this time, unlike last week. Okay,

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00:02:50.840 discussion with the guys and me after the show. I'm glad to hear that Drew's still alive. I've

00:02:55.680 been waiting out for like a sequel to Werewolf Cop, and I thought, I mean, the guy's gone. It's

00:03:00.220 like George R.R. Martin. Yeah, we're never going to come. Matt, thank you for hanging out with us

00:03:05.200 tonight. What's going on out in Pennsylvania? You know, not much. I'm just, I'll try to serve

00:03:11.980 well in Andrew Klavan's stead. I'll try not to disgrace his memory, I guess, while I'm here.

00:03:18.120 Here's what you do. No matter what we say about Donald Trump, just tell us that it's actually

00:03:22.580 his genius. That's basically the role. For example- I can't. I definitely can't do that. I can't do

00:03:27.860 that. If I were to say something like, I don't know if you guys heard, but Donald Trump caught

00:03:32.520 the curtains on fire in the Oval Office while he was trying to put- I can't take this anywhere.

00:03:37.300 Yeah. Anyway, your job is to say, ah, that's just part of his genius. Right. Like a 70-minute

00:03:42.600 speech. Like, that'd be an element of genius. Like, just going on- my actual thought there

00:03:46.820 is that he was going to segue directly from the nomination acceptance into his second inaugural.

00:03:51.160 He was just going to continue going all the way for several months. That would have been perfect.

00:03:54.240 He was actually going to use the racist filibuster and completely just do it for days on end.

00:03:58.900 It would have been- I mean, he wanted to show that he had energy. The problem was the rest

00:04:01.560 of the country didn't have his kind of energy. Most of us fell asleep. But overall, what'd you guys

00:04:06.600 think of the irons? To quote a great man, some weird- pretty weird- listen, I- first of all,

00:04:14.140 it's the first time in my lifetime where the Republicans put on a better show just in terms

00:04:17.960 of sheer stagecraft than the Democrats. Didn't like Billie Eilish? Come on.

00:04:22.580 Well, what's not to love? I think I did say last time we were together that I thought maybe it was

00:04:27.240 an actual strategy on the part of the left. I couldn't figure out how they could be so bad

00:04:31.560 at the optics of that convention unless they were doing it on purpose. If it was their way of saying

00:04:36.600 we take COVID very, very seriously in sort of anticipation of the fact that the president

00:04:41.740 would have a live audience at his event, even if that's what they were going for, what a horrible

00:04:46.200 miscalculation. The president just looked like what he is. I mean, he's a masterful showman.

00:04:52.540 And he put on, for the most part, an entertaining show. You know, I thought that at least 40 minutes

00:04:58.440 of his 70-minute speech was actually pretty entertaining. Yeah, it was a Wagnerian ring

00:05:01.920 cycle. It was like nine hours long. And if they had just cut out six of the hours, it would have

00:05:06.780 been a really tight and excellent speech that really focused in on the contrast between the RNC and the

00:05:11.340 DNC and the various visions of the country. And the fact that Democrats were outside burning stuff

00:05:15.060 down, like literally right outside just burning stuff down and punching old people in the head.

00:05:18.480 But yeah, I mean, in the end, does that really, I'm not sure it matters because the only thing

00:05:22.640 anybody sees anyway are the clips, right? I mean, you can, you can go on for 70 minutes. The number

00:05:26.180 of people who watch that thing beginning to end is very, very low. People listen to the clips on shows

00:05:30.780 like the ones that we do, right? And that's how they, that's actually how they find out what Trump

00:05:34.220 said, I think. And there were some great clips. I mean, the speech, while a bit long and meandering,

00:05:39.400 there were certainly some excellent aspects of the speech. You know, he, he spoke in ways that he didn't

00:05:43.920 speak in 2016 that actually appealed to me. I thought in 2016, the president wasn't a

00:05:48.440 very good spokesperson for the sort of ideal, the ideology of conservatism, even the ideology of

00:05:54.140 America, sort of creedal America. I thought in this speech last night, he actually did a much

00:05:58.640 better job at being the, you know, being the front man for the greatest country on earth.

00:06:03.980 Matt, what'd you think of the speech? Yeah, I thought it was interesting in the middle when he

00:06:08.880 read the entire script of Gone with the Wind as a, as an attack on political correctness. I thought

00:06:13.300 that was an interesting, I mean, when it comes to, when it comes down to it, I think that there's been

00:06:17.020 maybe three political speeches in the history of the world that have actually mattered, maybe three

00:06:22.220 to five, maybe the rest of them, everyone forgets about five seconds later. So like Ben said, I think

00:06:27.040 the takeaway from the RNC is not anything that anyone said. It's what was happening outside when

00:06:32.560 they were leaving and they've literally got leftist flipping off old ladies as they're crossing the

00:06:36.760 street. I think that's the, the, the number one, I guess we could say positive that the RNC could

00:06:41.460 take away. Cause that's what people are going to remember more than any speech. I think it's also,

00:06:44.720 when we think back on party conventions, whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats,

00:06:48.980 there are a few moments that come to mind. Reagan had a good line in 92 where he joked about how he

00:06:54.080 knew Thomas Jefferson. That was kind of a funny bit. Uh, Clint Eastwood talking to the chair. That

00:06:58.040 was kind of a funny bit. Pat Buchanan's culture war speech sometimes comes back up. Other than that,

00:07:02.840 people don't, you know, Reagan in 76, there were these few moments that come back up. Otherwise they're

00:07:07.840 just the rah-rah for the base to, to get the poll numbers up. This one was the first time that I think

00:07:13.100 there are multiple moments that will be remembered. And, and the one thing that Trump did very well

00:07:18.500 and the people who put it together did very well is they, they built it up. So there was a big finale

00:07:22.780 first couple of days. You know, there were some snoozers in there. There were some clunkers. There

00:07:26.620 were good moments too, but it built and built. You had two nights ago, you had sister D.D. Byrne

00:07:32.220 who, you know, sister, Dr. Colonel D.D. Byrne, you know, gave this great speech on abortion. And then

00:07:37.520 last night you had these moments and Dorn, you know, the, the, that was the moment. That was

00:07:42.160 the moment. I mean, that was the greatest moment. Before we talk about it, let's, let's play the,

00:07:45.120 the, the clip of, uh, yeah, here we go. Yeah. Yeah. I relive that horror in my mind every single day.

00:07:56.560 My hope is that having you relive it with me now will help shake this country from this nightmare.

00:08:04.080 We're witnessing in our cities and bring about positive, peaceful change in a time when police

00:08:10.720 departments are short on resources and manpower. We need that help. We should accept that help.

00:08:18.480 We must heal before we can affect change, but we cannot heal amid devastation and chaos.

00:08:25.840 President Trump knows we need more Davids in our communities, not fewer.

00:08:30.240 We need more Davids in our communities, not fewer. You know, during the DNC, uh, they brought

00:08:36.960 out that, that young lady whose father had died of coronavirus and she essentially blamed her

00:08:43.280 father's death on her father, uh, for being a fool and on Donald Trump for giving, I guess,

00:08:49.520 saying that we should drink fish tank cleaner or whatever her issue was. I thought that it was the

00:08:53.600 worst moment of the DNC. I thought that it spoke ill of almost every person involved.

00:09:00.880 Contrast that with this, which I think was the highlight of the RNC. Here's someone not putting

00:09:05.120 the blame in the wrong place. Here's someone who has suffered a true, uh, tragedy who has accurately

00:09:12.400 identified what the source of that tragedy was and who's telling the American people about it directly

00:09:16.640 because the media just hasn't. Um, very powerful stuff. Well, I mean, they've been doing this whole

00:09:22.160 say their names, say her name, say his name stuff for a long time. And they never actually distinguish

00:09:27.200 between any of the facts of the cases here, right? You're supposed to say Jacob Blake's name, despite

00:09:30.640 the fact that he was a person with an open warrant for sexual assault and domestic abuse who resisted

00:09:36.080 arrest, apparently withstood two taser rounds, uh, and then walked over to the other side of his car

00:09:41.520 in defiance of police officers, reached into the car, which will get you shot under all

00:09:45.040 circumstances. And also there was a knife on the floorboards of the driver's seat of the car. I

00:09:49.440 mean, this is like the definition of a justified shooting under all circumstances, a car full of

00:09:53.440 kids and a weapon, right? You don't even forget there were kids and you're going to let him drive

00:09:57.280 away as he, the guy with the domestic abuse and the sexual assault convictions in an open warrant.

00:10:02.400 You say his name in the same sentence that you say Ahmed Arbery, which is a completely different

00:10:06.240 case. You say that in the same way that you say Breonna Taylor, which by the way is another case

00:10:09.680 where the police officers, there is literally no path to inciting the police officers because the police

00:10:13.360 officers did not violate the law. You may not like no knock warrants, but there is no way you can

00:10:16.880 indict the police officers in the Breonna Taylor case. If you examine the facts of the case, period,

00:10:20.240 end of story. Um, and it's all say, their names said, we all understand their names. I mean,

00:10:24.240 we all name, like we all know their names, but Michael Brown is treated exactly the same way

00:10:28.160 as George Floyd is treated exactly the same way as Ahmed Arbery. The name that will never get said

00:10:32.880 there is David Dorn and nobody will ever say David Dorn. And this is why people got so angry

00:10:36.640 inside the democratic party when, uh, was it Burgess Owens who said all black lives matter

00:10:41.760 and they are with Terry Cruz, Terry Cruz, Terry Cruz, Terry Cruz said all black lives matters.

00:10:46.240 Yeah. They said, uh, Terry, Terry Cruz had all black lives matter. And Don Lemon went insane

00:10:50.560 because at the moment you mentioned the fact that all black lives matter, including people

00:10:54.400 who are more likely to, including cases that are far more indicative of a national trend like David

00:10:59.000 Dorn's murder, then, then police officers randomly shooting black people. They get very upset because

00:11:03.620 it misdirects away from the narrative. They want to draw a narrative that is completely at odds

00:11:07.420 with the facts. And that leads to the sorts of rioting and looting that you're seeing in America's

00:11:10.880 major cities. There is no way for Democrats to simultaneously make the case that America's

00:11:14.160 systems are so rotted through evil and terrible that we need systemic fundamental change. All

00:11:19.680 you have to do is stop the rioting and looting for five seconds to elect this octogenarian white

00:11:23.520 guy who used to hang out with segregationists and Kamala Harris is calling him a racist five seconds

00:11:26.880 go elect him and he will fix the system. You can't argue the system needs to be torn down and

00:11:31.720 simultaneously need to argue that the system needs to withstand outside forces. Yeah. And by the way,

00:11:37.640 that clip that, that we just saw of Ann Dorn, it doesn't even do justice. You got to, you got to

00:11:42.180 watch the whole speech because she's going through this, this very personal account of how, when her

00:11:47.420 husband would get a call in the middle of the night, he would usually wake her up, but because this was

00:11:50.700 so dangerous, he didn't wake her up. And it was absolutely heartbreaking. There was not a dry eye

00:11:56.260 in the house of anybody who was watching this. And I think this also was the key, not just to why Ann

00:12:02.220 Dorn was so effective at communicating her message, why other people were so effective. It's the whole

00:12:06.840 RNC was specific. I watched that whole DNC. I couldn't see one argument for what Joe Biden's

00:12:13.500 going to do, why we should elect him. It was all vague generalities. Orange man bad. Orange man bad.

00:12:17.700 It basically was orange man bad. Whereas with Trump, whether you like the guy or not, he told you

00:12:22.520 exactly what he did, exactly what he was going to do. And the specific stories of people who have been

00:12:27.760 affected by these left-wing policies. I found it very effective. So speaking of names that will

00:12:32.760 never be said by the left, Rand Paul leaving the White House last night after the conclusion of

00:12:36.900 the president's speech, a sitting United States Senator accosted and a police officer assaulted.

00:12:43.900 Has anybody in the media mentioned this? I think we have the clip.

00:12:46.240 Say her name. Say her name. Say her name.

00:12:50.920 Oh my God, these morons.

00:12:51.860 I like that the senator actually turns around to make sure that the police officer.

00:13:19.020 I know. That's a great move. Just shows character.

00:13:21.420 These people are literally too stupid to insult. They're literally too stupid to insult.

00:13:25.160 They're screaming at him. Say her name. He is the sponsor of the Justice for Breonna Taylor Act,

00:13:30.080 which bans no knock raids, no knock drug warrants. I mean, they're insane. They don't give a crap

00:13:35.980 about policy. They don't want anything. The reason I brought up my cell phone here is because here

00:13:39.340 was the headline. You asked whether the media said anything about this. Here was the headline

00:13:42.340 from the Associated Press. You ready for this? This is pretty spectacular.

00:13:44.560 Senator Paul complains about angry mob encounter after RNC.

00:13:50.440 Unbelievable. Next thing you know, he'll pounce.

00:13:52.840 Yeah, did he pounce? That's what I want to know.

00:13:54.700 By the way, if anybody is going to be somewhat, I would say skittish about encounters with people

00:14:00.780 who want to do them harm in public office, probably Rand Paul, who narrowly avoided being shot to death

00:14:05.940 on a congressional baseball field and then narrowly avoided being beaten to death by his next-door

00:14:10.280 neighbor in Kentucky. That guy seems like he probably has a leg to stand on when he's like,

00:14:14.580 yeah, I felt a little threatened there. Yeah, that's, again, imagine for one second that was

00:14:18.760 Dianne Feinstein rather than Rand Paul. And imagine those were Tea Partiers or Alt-Riders rather than

00:14:24.460 what they were, which are Black Lives Matter and Antifa. Protesters slash rioters slash looters and

00:14:29.840 crazy people. And you can see how the media covers this sort of stuff.

00:14:34.480 Well, this brings me to one of my complaints about our president.

00:14:36.360 You know, Donald Trump, especially when he took office, I think it persists a bit to this day.

00:14:43.060 He has an almost constitutional aversion to criticizing anyone who flatters him.

00:14:48.900 You know, the key to Donald Trump's heart is to be nice to Donald Trump. And so it doesn't matter

00:14:52.920 if you're a horrible regime. It doesn't matter if you're a totalitarian like Kim Jong-un. It doesn't

00:14:58.480 matter if you're, you know, Saudi princes. If you're nice to Donald Trump, Donald Trump finds it

00:15:03.400 very difficult to say anything negative about Kim Jong-un. Right. Kim Jong-un very, very recently.

00:15:10.280 Back during the Charlottesville rally, the Unite the Right rally, Richard Spencer,

00:15:16.220 three years ago, President Trump, listen, now they'll say that Donald Trump said that

00:15:21.860 the neo-Nazis who murdered someone with their car were fine people. Obviously, if you look at the

00:15:27.640 transcript, he never said that. He was referring to people who were marching.

00:15:30.240 And he explicitly said, I am not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white supremacists.

00:15:35.620 Nevertheless, for me, for my taste, the president was played footsie with the alt-right during the

00:15:41.480 2016 election. And and I wish that he'd had a more full throated rebuke even during the Charlottesville

00:15:48.740 time. Nevertheless, here we are three years later and we still hear that. By the way, as far as I can

00:15:54.480 tell, you don't get fact checked by Twitter or Facebook or Google if you say that the president

00:15:58.660 called Nazis fine people. So I'm telling you, as a Trump skeptic, something I don't like about the

00:16:03.920 president, I think that it's a character flaw on his part that he's afraid to give a full throated

00:16:10.000 rebuttal of horrible people if those people are in any way supportive of him. And yet and yet and yet

00:16:15.920 the left is burning down major American cities. Seattle on fire. Portland on file. Fire. Wisconsin,

00:16:23.520 many Minnesota. All these states have cities on fire as we speak right outside the White House

00:16:29.280 itself. A sitting senator being accosted by protesters. Many videos that came out today.

00:16:37.080 I got punched in the head. I mean, that's right. Horrible violence and actual deaths like not just

00:16:41.960 one. Many, many people have been hurt. 30 at this point have been killed in the in the vast number of

00:16:46.460 riots that we've seen. That's right. Will the left condemn this for any reason at all? And then

00:16:52.900 the answer comes. It comes from on high. They are, in fact, finally, three months later willing to

00:16:58.720 condemn it because it hurts the polling for for Joe Biden. Don Lemon of CNN goes on the air and

00:17:06.600 actually has and actually has this to say. Do we have that clip 14? The rioting has to stop.

00:17:13.860 Chris, as you know and I know, it's showing up in the polling. It's showing up in focus groups.

00:17:19.400 It is the only thing. It is the only thing right now that is sticking. And the Democrats tonight

00:17:28.660 stuck with that. Right. And they also stuck with the theme that you said.

00:17:34.040 The coronavirus, you got coronavirus and you have Kenosha.

00:17:38.440 That's it. Matt, when you when you see this kind of unbelievable hypocrisy, I know I know you were a

00:17:45.680 Trump skeptic, as as were Ben and I. Drew's not here to say that I'm the only pro-Trump guy.

00:17:50.700 You're pro-Trump, but you're not likely to tell me that it was an act of sheer genius when the

00:17:54.200 president said that there were fine people on both sides. It was an act of sheer.

00:17:58.300 Matt, does this give you does this give you pause about your support for the president?

00:18:06.980 Well, I look, I mean, obviously, there's there's no scenario where we'd be better off with the

00:18:11.420 Democrats. So that's always been my position and why I was, you know, I've always been pretty sure

00:18:16.820 I'm going to vote for Donald Trump. There's never a chance of me voting for anybody else, certainly.

00:18:19.520 And I certainly am now. But I here's my my concern is that, you know, because we all have the memory

00:18:27.460 of house flies, my concern is that this very cynical move by the Democrats may actually pay off.

00:18:32.020 I know, you know, recently I've been thinking because of all the rioting, well, there's just no

00:18:36.460 way Donald Trump can lose. There's no way that it turns out people don't like having their houses

00:18:42.180 and their businesses burned out. People actually are against that. But if the Democrats and all these

00:18:48.100 rioters, of course, are Democrats, if they realize what they're doing and say, hey, we're going to

00:18:51.740 hold off now until the next Republican is president. I wonder if come Election Day, because it's a couple

00:19:00.240 months behind us, everyone's already forgotten about it. I kind of think in order for this to

00:19:04.880 matter, in order for riots to affect the way people vote, it needs to be happening like as they're

00:19:11.020 voting. It needs to be that present in their mind. I guess that's a good question. Can they put the

00:19:15.880 genie back in the bottle? I mean, the cynical play by the left is to have unleashed these rioters,

00:19:20.180 winked at these rioters, actually supported, openly supported, paid for their bail.

00:19:25.140 Yeah. But they don't control the rioters. Michael, can they stop this?

00:19:28.340 This is the issue. When you play with fire, you might get burned. People sometimes say,

00:19:32.840 if we get into a war, here's what's going to happen. And then the first month, it'll be this.

00:19:36.460 And six months later, it'll be this. You can't. Once war starts, once things spiral away from law and

00:19:41.160 order, they get out of your control and you can't control them. And it's this issue, you know,

00:19:46.100 to this point about the alt-right and Trump playing footsie with anybody. Donald Trump has been saying

00:19:50.880 since the 90s, since the first time he thought about running for president, he said that David

00:19:54.500 Duke is a Hitler lover, right? He's condemned these sorts of people. And he's done it again and again

00:19:59.380 and again, specifically on David Duke, such that in 2016, he actually said, how many times do I have

00:20:03.900 to talk about David Duke? I don't know David Duke. I hate David Duke. He's a bad guy, whatever.

00:20:07.720 He was joking about that. Just last week, Richard Spencer, the guy who was behind the

00:20:13.280 Charlottesville rally, he's probably the most prominent white identitarian in the country,

00:20:17.220 he endorsed Joe Biden. And he said, I'm not doing this ironically. I think Biden is more

00:20:20.640 competent than Trump. So I'm going to vote for Joe Biden. You'll never hear a peep about that.

00:20:24.240 You will never be asked to condemn anybody. Even Don Lemon there, he doesn't say I'm condemning

00:20:29.220 these people. He's just saying, it's not good politics, guys. Calm down for a little bit.

00:20:32.620 So the question becomes, do we even play their game? They will never be asked to condemn the

00:20:38.720 riots. And so why do we always play on their footing? Why are we always playing defense when

00:20:43.740 they're only playing offense? It's the genius of... I wanted to make the genius of... I think that was

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00:23:13.240 By the way, quick, quick, quick note. I totally, I totally agree with math and I'm very,

00:23:17.760 very concerned that the memory span of the American public is a guppy. And I, I, I'm really worried

00:23:23.580 because what the Democrats have basically realized in the last week is, Hey, wait a second for several

00:23:27.880 months here running, we've basically not only ignored the violence in America's major cities.

00:23:32.000 We have suggested that Donald Trump is a fascist and outright fascist for attempting to stop the

00:23:36.800 violence in America's major cities. They have termed rioters and looters, protesters for purposes of

00:23:40.980 calling Trump a fascist for sending federal forces into places like Portland or for threatening to

00:23:45.460 send federal forces into places like Seattle. Remember Tom Cotton's op-ed calling for the use

00:23:49.880 of the insurrection act to stop rioting and looting was seen as such a threat to quote unquote

00:23:54.260 protesters that they fired the op-ed editor of the New York times for running the thing. So they've

00:23:58.220 been playing the running this interference game where they conflate the rioters and the looters and

00:24:01.740 the protesters for months. Okay. So they were able to get away with this and say that no violence

00:24:05.400 was occurring, right? Last like two days ago, the CNN chyron, while a guy was on screen talking

00:24:10.800 about things on fire behind him, was fiery, but mostly peaceful protests, which as British

00:24:16.980 Bridget Phetasy said is like the Titanic coverage saying watery, but mostly safe voyage, right? Like

00:24:22.300 that's not the way this works. They've been playing this game where violence is a figment

00:24:26.520 of your imagination. We've all been going nuts, right? Tearing out our hair. Well, in the last

00:24:30.540 two days, the Democrats realized there's a problem. And so now Joe Biden is planning, apparently,

00:24:34.720 there's that chyron. Apparently Joe Biden is now playing this game where he is going to go

00:24:40.180 to Wisconsin. He's going to go to Minneapolis and he's going to make speeches saying that the

00:24:44.980 rioting and the looting are bad. Now you can guarantee the first 35 minutes of each one of

00:24:48.720 those speeches or the first 35 seconds, because you can't do a 35 minute speech. First 35 seconds

00:24:52.660 of that will be dedicated to how America is systemically racist and completely evil.

00:24:57.200 And all of the anger that we're seeing in the streets is justified anger. It's just that the

00:25:00.840 violence itself is unnecessary. Now we know that's exactly what he said, right? He actually

00:25:05.700 made a statement and his condemnation of the violence was it made him sick to his, it didn't

00:25:10.480 make him sick to his stomach to watch entire cities burn, right? It didn't make him sick to his stomach

00:25:13.700 to watch what happened to David Dorn. It made him sick to his stomach to see what happened to Jacob

00:25:16.780 Blake. That's what he said, because it happened in broad daylight and a police officer shot this guy

00:25:20.620 directly in the back. Kamala Harris, by the way, says no investigation really necessary.

00:25:24.860 Convict the officers, indict and convict the officers. And so Joe Biden basically trots along with the

00:25:30.380 narrative put out by the rioters and the looters. And then he says, but guys, really, this isn't

00:25:34.120 necessary because if you elect me, I'm just going to do all that stuff for you. Or I'm just going to,

00:25:38.580 I'm going to go ahead and I'm just going to make the policy changes that you want me to make.

00:25:42.380 Is that going to be effective in shutting down the writing and the looting? Well, if the, if these

00:25:45.480 guys are smart, then yeah, it will be because they're basically getting what they want.

00:25:49.280 But I think some of them are, are don't give a crap about any of this. I think what they give a

00:25:53.780 crap about is mainly burning things. And so eventually the question is going to be whether

00:25:57.440 Democratic mayors decided to shut it down with use of force. Matt, you were one to jump in there,

00:26:01.280 I think. Yeah. Well, I just, I think of the irony here. I really think that the,

00:26:06.060 the short attention span of the American people is the number one challenge for political campaigns.

00:26:09.740 Now, I think it just redefines everything. I think we might look back and say that the

00:26:13.200 Monica Lewinsky scandal was the last real political scandal in history because it's the last one that

00:26:18.740 people really talked about for years, really. We just don't do that anymore. So the irony is that

00:26:23.400 the, the thing that has helped Trump, uh, and that has made him sort of Teflon for the last three

00:26:28.200 years, maybe turning against them. Because you think about all these scandals, whether real or

00:26:31.940 imagined that in the past would have just totally destroyed. I would start with the access Hollywood

00:26:36.300 tape, uh, you know, just a couple of weeks before the election. I mean, you think back in, in history,

00:26:41.880 it seems like that would have completely destroyed politicians. It didn't touch him. I think,

00:26:45.640 and we assumed it's because of some, something particular about his character and who he is,

00:26:49.980 that these things don't stick. I think that's part of it. But I also think it's just, that's the way

00:26:53.480 in our, in our media saturated culture. And you think about, uh, uh, you know, impeachment. I mean,

00:26:58.280 the Democrats didn't even talk about impeachment at their own convention because even something like

00:27:03.220 impeachment used to be a huge deal. It's only happened a few times in history. We've already,

00:27:06.680 no one's talking about that anymore. We've already moved on from it, which for good reason. But,

00:27:10.080 so, so now I'm just wondering if this is flipped against Trump and the thing that should stick to the

00:27:15.060 Democrats won't. We also need to make sure we don't let elected Democrats

00:27:19.280 distance themselves from the rioters, which is what they're trying to do. We use all these terms,

00:27:23.700 BLM, Antifa, rioters, protesters, they're Democrats. They're Democrats doing things on behalf of

00:27:28.780 Democrats. There are elected Democrats and prominent media Democrats who have directly called for these

00:27:34.580 kinds of riots and this kind of violence. Maxine Waters said, when you see Republicans in the streets,

00:27:39.540 mob them, surround them, create a crowd. You had Chris Cuomo on CNN saying that protests don't need to be

00:27:46.080 peaceful because he hasn't read the first amendment. You had Hillary Clinton say that you can't be civil

00:27:50.700 with a political party that disagrees with you. You can't be civil. Well, what's the opposite of

00:27:55.000 civil? What does that leave room for? These are some of the most prominent Democrats in the country.

00:27:59.240 They told these rioters to go out and get violent. That's what they did. And we shouldn't let the

00:28:04.380 elected Democrats get off the hook for what they're going to try to do for the next several weeks.

00:28:08.360 Yeah. If only there was an organization devoted to reporting on the actual things that are said

00:28:14.140 by politicians, you might actually have a prayer of some of this sticking. But Matt, to your point,

00:28:18.360 the news cycle moves so fast now and Democrats have absolutely no incentive to put the focus

00:28:24.860 anywhere except on orange man bad. And they basically want to destroy Donald Trump through

00:28:29.620 a thousand paper cuts, right? They've realized no single scandal is going to bring him down.

00:28:34.040 And so instead, it's sort of a shotgun approach where every single day they make you believe that

00:28:38.800 Trump, here's the latest outrage, the latest outrage, the latest outrage from Donald Trump. And you see it

00:28:43.520 working. A lot of our friends, listen, I didn't vote for the president in 2016. The only thing that kept me

00:28:48.540 from being a prominent never-Trumper is that I'm not prominent. But it wasn't for lack of trying, you know.

00:28:53.820 I famously wrote that I thought during the last Republican National Convention, I said that for

00:29:01.620 conservatives, the election was already lost no matter what went on to happen in November. And even I can tell you

00:29:08.880 that I've watched many of our peers who were in that never-Trump movement in 2016 actually fall for

00:29:14.760 this sort of media approach wherein they are outraged by every outrage. And so they are in a

00:29:20.920 constant state of being outraged no matter what the actual thing is, no matter whether it's actually

00:29:25.780 relevant, no matter whether it's actually true. It's sort of like conspiracy. All conspiracy theories

00:29:31.020 basically thrive on the preponderance of false evidence. You know, somebody will say,

00:29:35.940 well, if there's, if we really landed on the moon, then a wire, you know, if there's only one source

00:29:41.180 of light on the moon, why are there two shadows? You go, well, there's two, there's actually two

00:29:43.980 sources of light. There's the sun and the moon. And they'll go, which reflects so much light that

00:29:47.980 you can read in the dark during a full moon on earth, 200,000 miles away. They'll go, oh, but the

00:29:52.240 flag, why did the flag wave if there's no air? And the radiation belt. Yeah, what about the Van

00:29:56.000 Allen radiation belt? In other words, no matter, you can't speak to enough of these things.

00:30:00.000 Yeah. They can just move right on to the next hour. And that's what the, that's the approach that

00:30:03.800 the media has taken with the president. Although I will say, I think they thought they thought they

00:30:07.320 had a silver bullet because they did try that strategy for years on end. And I think they've

00:30:11.160 had that. They thought they had the silver bullet in the coronavirus. And that's why they're really

00:30:14.980 kind of two themes and they keep going back to it, right? You saw in the last couple of nights of

00:30:18.540 the RNC, as it became absolutely clear that the Democrats completely blew it when it came to

00:30:23.360 violence in the major cities, the entire media immediately swiveled to, ah, but look at how there's a

00:30:28.480 crowd on the South lawn. They're not wearing masks. They're sitting right next to each other. That was the

00:30:31.860 coverage last night. The coverage last night was off. Look at these terrible people who are sitting

00:30:35.360 there right next to each other and breathing on each other. What about the people who are going

00:30:38.720 to try to mug them when they leave the white house? What about that crowd? And this is how you

00:30:43.660 know what insane hypocrites they are. Literally the next day, there are 50,000 people on the national

00:30:47.420 mall standing directly next to each other. Most of them not wearing masks and the media don't mention

00:30:51.140 one time social distancing or mask wearing. I think that the Democrats thought that COVID was going to

00:30:57.380 continue to be the chief issue in everybody's mind all the way up till November. I don't think

00:31:01.680 they're right about this. I think that, you know- So you may have seen, Ben, we were the number one

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00:35:45.120 Michael and I were recently in Tennessee, and we saw what appeared to be, we were at a distance,

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00:37:00.680 about the possibility of whether or not there could be a President Pelosi, dear God, I hope not,

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00:37:28.740 Access right after the show. Thanks, Alicia. We'll be over there and look forward to weighing in on all

00:37:33.240 the important issues. So one of the questions that we've been debating since the very beginning of

00:37:39.740 this election, I think we talked about it last week after the DNC, I have maintained from the very

00:37:43.820 beginning that there would never be any circumstance in which the Democrats would put Joe Biden on a

00:37:48.660 debate stage with Donald Trump. This last week, after seeing the performance that the President

00:37:53.420 gave, seeing the overall performance of all the Republicans at the RNC, how they were willing to

00:37:59.080 take the fight to the Democrats, and after the Speaker of the House herself, Nancy Pelosi, actually

00:38:04.840 floated the idea of Joe Biden not doing a debate. I was the only one last week who said that there

00:38:09.720 wouldn't be a debate. I think I put a little money on the line. I want to go around the horn and see if

00:38:12.960 you guys have had the opportunity to realize just how right I am. Michael, what are you thinking?

00:38:17.520 I would have disagreed a couple of weeks ago, but I think now it's becoming more likely.

00:38:23.020 They had had these op-ed columnists, these Democrats floating this idea that Biden doesn't

00:38:26.900 debate. That didn't stick. Now you have Pelosi. She's the most powerful elected Democrat in the

00:38:31.940 country. She's floating it. It's a little more serious. The one reason, though, and Ben and I were

00:38:36.340 talking about this a little bit earlier today, the one reason why I think Biden still has to debate

00:38:41.500 is because the convention didn't work for the Democrats. It's not even just because the

00:38:46.880 Democrats are burning down the country. The convention was supposed to give them a boost

00:38:50.240 in the polls. You don't really see that. Choosing a vice president was supposed to give you a boost

00:38:53.980 in the polls. That did not happen. Actually, Rasmussen showed that it hurt Joe Biden. And I suspect,

00:38:59.540 we don't have the numbers yet, but I suspect that President Trump is going to get even more of a

00:39:03.220 boost out of the RNC. So the numbers are not trending in Biden's direction. And I think if he shows

00:39:07.580 the cowardice of not going up and debating, that it's going to hurt him even more. So my money is

00:39:13.080 still slightly on his going and showing up to some kind of debate. But it's pretty clear at this point,

00:39:18.680 the party itself does not want him on that. Well, I'll tell you what's really got me,

00:39:22.640 what's reinforced for me that there won't be a debate. And it's that on social media,

00:39:26.880 all the Democrats who, listen, people with whom I'm personal friends, have all started saying that

00:39:31.800 Donald Trump doesn't want to debate. And that Donald Trump is asking for a fourth debate

00:39:35.740 to set up for the idea that he won't do any debates because Biden won't do a fourth debate.

00:39:41.680 In other words, they are creating, they're projecting. That's right. Ben, what do you

00:39:45.420 think? No, I think Biden has to debate. I mean, at this point, the election is too close. And it is.

00:39:51.640 I mean, people are looking at that national number as though the national number matters. And the

00:39:54.600 national number does not matter. They're running up the score in California. They're running up the

00:39:58.380 score in New York. But you can see the polls have narrowed considerably in the last couple of weeks

00:40:02.700 in virtually every swing state. He's now back in the lead in North Carolina, which obviously he has

00:40:06.500 to win. But the lead is basically down to zero in Minnesota. That's because I can't think of any

00:40:11.760 other reason other than the riots in Minneapolis. The numbers are going to close extremely fast in

00:40:16.580 Wisconsin. I think that Trump right now has the upper hand in Wisconsin. What Trump really needs

00:40:20.320 is in the same way that Barack Obama doubled down on the voters who brought him victory in 2008 and

00:40:25.980 actually lost some votes from 2008 to 2012 and then won re-election because he got the people who

00:40:30.640 loved him the most to show up in even greater numbers. That's kind of what Trump is doing with

00:40:34.260 rural areas. So he's he's saying, you know what, I can compete a little bit in the suburbs. I'm going

00:40:38.140 to give up the cities almost completely. I need the people in rural areas to show up like twice as

00:40:41.980 much. And Kenosha is not a big city. Kenosha is a town of 100,000 people. It is not in the top 100

00:40:48.000 American cities. There are lots of towns of 100,000 people in the United States. And towns like

00:40:53.540 Kenosha are going to turn out en masse and vote for Donald Trump. I mean, I think that he's now got the

00:40:59.000 upper hand in Wisconsin. I think he is running even in Michigan. Remember, he doesn't he doesn't

00:41:03.200 need to win all three of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. He needs to win one of those and

00:41:07.320 maintain all the rest of the other states. So if he wins Minnesota, then he can even lose another

00:41:11.140 state. Right. So he needs to win Florida. Florida really is the big one no one's talking about

00:41:14.880 because Florida Biden seems to have a fairly solid five to seven point lead in most of the polls.

00:41:19.660 But even in Florida, things are starting to close a little bit now. And I think that because Florida

00:41:24.140 actually handled COVID correctly, thanks to Governor Ron DeSantis, I think that you're going to start to see

00:41:27.880 some more enthusiasm for President Trump as the economy starts to reopen there. So this election

00:41:31.460 is far from over. It shows you how quickly this sort of widespread perception that Biden is way ahead

00:41:37.700 is dissipating, that he is now forced to travel to all the places that Hillary Clinton refused to

00:41:42.100 travel last time. Matt, you haven't been part of our bet up until this point. Where are you on the

00:41:46.960 issue of the debates? Yeah, well, I got to agree with you, Jeremy, or maybe you agree with me.

00:41:51.500 Maybe I'll phrase it that way. I don't I could I could only really answer this along the lines of what

00:41:57.260 what do I think he should do, whether or not he'll do what I think he should do is a different

00:42:00.120 question. But I don't see any reason or any positive, real, real positive for for Biden in

00:42:06.420 debating Trump, because you just have to you have to think, OK, if it goes, we have to look at it is

00:42:11.680 if it goes really, really well for Biden, how much will he gain from that as opposed to if it goes

00:42:17.100 really, really poorly for him, how much will he lose? And I think he stands to lose a hell of a lot

00:42:22.020 more than he stands to gain, especially because you're debating like you're debating Donald Trump.

00:42:25.680 I happen to think that I guess I differ from a lot of conservatives. I think that Donald Trump

00:42:30.060 is abysmal in debates. I think he's really bad. But and he tends to be kind of low energy to actually

00:42:35.420 debates. But but what he does, he only needs like one line. I'll just have one little it could go

00:42:40.960 for three hours. But like with with with Hillary, he just had one line, terrible performance. But he just

00:42:46.100 one time he just said, well, if I'm elected, you'll go to jail. And and that was it. That was the only

00:42:52.640 thing. It was the only thing that defined that entire debate. So you're debating a guy who just

00:42:57.320 needs to have one little one little line like that. And at the same time, you're also from Biden's

00:43:03.120 perspective, you're also senile. So just the risk is is extremely high for him. And I just don't see

00:43:08.540 all he really has to do is cite Hunter Biden and then call Joe Biden senile. And it gets real ugly

00:43:12.440 for Joe real fast. Yeah. Once Joe gets agitated, he just he can't get it back. I mean, you've seen that

00:43:16.760 you've seen this in his public appearances and people keep ignoring this, that even Joe Biden on

00:43:21.520 teleprompter is better than Joe Biden off teleprompter. That's right. When he does

00:43:23.980 these public appearances, every time somebody asks him a question that he doesn't like,

00:43:27.140 he starts challenging them to fistfights. Come on, man. Hey, fat. Hey, fat. Hey, fat. That's a

00:43:33.500 solid one. Hey, orange. You want to go out back and push ups in the street with a brawl? That's

00:43:37.740 what I'm talking about. You know, I also don't want to just blow over something that Ben just said,

00:43:42.720 which is about Minnesota. Minnesota is a blue state. Ronald Reagan won 49 states in 1984. He didn't win

00:43:48.760 Minnesota. Right. Minnesota right now, if you've got Donald Trump and Joe Biden running neck and neck,

00:43:53.900 that is not a good sign for the Democratic Party. And you look at the national polls,

00:43:58.760 that doesn't that's not how the election is going to be decided. It's going to go state by state.

00:44:02.280 And you're seeing the direct effect of the riots in Minnesota. Those riots, those protests have only

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00:46:22.880 So here we are. We're now, the conventions are past. Maybe there will be debates. Maybe there won't.

00:46:27.180 The House is divided here 50-50 on that question. Although, Matt, I do like how you said that,

00:46:33.340 that there's what he should do and what he will do. That's always the case in politics. Almost no one

00:46:37.680 in politics ever does what they should do. They almost exclusively do what they think they're

00:46:42.400 supposed to do. And that's one of the reasons that we find ourselves in all the trouble that

00:46:45.900 we're in this country. Nevertheless, here we are. We're in the run-up to the election. Typically,

00:46:51.200 somewhere in the next five weeks, some sort of earth-shattering surprise enters the election.

00:46:57.340 Famously in 2016, it was the all-access tape, right? The all-access tape drops only a few

00:47:02.420 weeks out from the election. We all think Donald Trump's campaign is finished. In 2008, it was the

00:47:09.260 actual collapse of- The American economy.

00:47:11.820 The American economy. What's it going to be this time? I mean, there's no way 2020 doesn't give us

00:47:16.900 the craziest curveball. I was literally about to say this. So, channeling our friend, our late

00:47:21.300 departed friend, Andrew Klavan. So, Andrew Klavan- Plus his soul. He'll be missed.

00:47:26.480 He has said before that it sometimes feels like we're one plot twist short, right? As a guy who

00:47:32.620 writes novels, Drew has a very good feel for sort of there needs to be one more plot twist in order

00:47:36.960 to make this plot really run. And believe it or not, despite the fact that the writers of 2020 have

00:47:41.080 gone all out. I mean, they've done everything from hurricanes to cities burning to COVID-19,

00:47:45.600 like literally all the impeachment, Bernie Sanders, like all the storylines. We're still a couple of

00:47:49.780 plot twists short. I feel like there's one fairly predictable plot twist that is going to happen,

00:47:53.780 and that is going to be the clear exposure of the fact that Joe Biden is not a healthy man.

00:47:59.360 And the reason that I say that is because in 2016, we had the exact same thing. For months and months

00:48:04.820 on end, people kept saying, Hillary Clinton does not look good, right? Hillary Clinton does not look

00:48:09.000 like she is quite as lively as normal. She's not on the campaign trail very much. Remember,

00:48:13.700 people were making a big deal out of her hacking cough. And these days, that would have a completely

00:48:16.460 different connotation because of COVID. But she was kind of hacking away, and people were like,

00:48:20.120 she really doesn't sound good. She looks tired. She doesn't feel with it. And then that was a

00:48:24.700 members conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory. And then there she is at

00:48:28.580 the 9-11 memorial, and then she collapses into a van. And everybody's like, whoa, hold up. Are we

00:48:33.060 allowed to ask questions now about her state of health? And she said that it was about dehydration,

00:48:37.180 and it wasn't anything else, and people were very suspicious. I feel like Joe Biden has been staving off

00:48:42.760 the fact that he is a vastly diminished person since... I mean, all you have to do is watch...

00:48:48.580 It was so funny. There are literally people in the Democratic media, and they are. They are the

00:48:53.060 Democratic Establishment Party media. It's insane. I mean, I've never seen the whole merger of the

00:48:57.280 media and the Democratic Party the way that we have seen in the recent past. It's crazy, and I've been

00:49:01.180 watching it my entire life. It's never reached this level. They will literally call you a conspiracy

00:49:05.300 theorist if you play a tape of Joe Biden from eight years ago. Yeah. If you play a tape of him with Paul

00:49:09.660 Ryan, where he's being his smarmy self, but he's at least with it, and then you play a tape of him

00:49:15.200 now, slurring his words and falling off at the end of sentences and forgetting where he is, they're

00:49:20.700 like, oh, that's a conspiracy theory. He's fine. Everything's good. He's riding a bike. Everything's

00:49:23.700 fine. Well, all it takes is one moment of complete lack of clarity in public, like real lack of clarity,

00:49:30.080 not in the basement, right? Something that really shakes people up. And again, I don't think,

00:49:35.160 not only is this not unprecedented, it's happened repeatedly in American politics with elderly

00:49:39.000 candidates. I mean, Bob Dole fell off the stage in 1996. There are all sorts of concerns about Bob

00:49:43.100 Dole's health, and then he fell off the stage. And people are like, oh, well, you know, he's a clumsy

00:49:45.920 oaf, and also he's old, and what are we going to do about that? And they tried to-

00:49:49.600 Yes, and they voted for Bill Clinton.

00:49:50.660 And they voted for Bill Clinton. And so I feel like that's the predictable twist. There's going

00:49:55.740 to be some other twist, some black swan event that I can't predict, but that one seems like fairly

00:49:59.340 obvious. And the more he's out in public, the better the chance something like that happens,

00:50:02.100 I think. I'm not rooting for it. I just think that that's a reality. When you're 78 years old,

00:50:05.560 and you are not who you once were, and they're asking 15-hour days of you campaigning,

00:50:11.640 that is not a recipe for success.

00:50:12.580 Are they going to have him out in public? I mean, I guess that's the question.

00:50:14.840 I think they have to.

00:50:15.520 Yeah, I sort of doubt that he's going to actually hit the campaign trail, but I do agree. I think

00:50:21.940 he's going to have to debate, and debates are long experiences. And President Trump has already

00:50:26.340 said he wants Biden to take a drug test before, so they don't just pump him full of uppers so he can

00:50:30.740 get through an hour of debate. The question is on the October surprise, not just something that

00:50:35.820 happens naturally, but something that the campaigns have been holding on to and two weeks before the

00:50:40.880 election, like the Access Hollywood tape, you're going to release it. And I don't know what they're

00:50:44.460 going to do on Biden. Biden's been in public life for a very long time. The rumor, among all these

00:50:49.320 other stupid rumors that they talk about with President Trump, is they're going to have some

00:50:53.020 member of the Trump family on tape criticizing him and talking about how terrible he is,

00:50:56.720 one of his children or Melania or something like that, to which I would respond. Getting a wife

00:51:02.160 on tape complaining about her husband is not exactly a man bites dog story. Okay, that is a

00:51:07.300 sort of natural thing in the flow of marriages. The trouble is, I mean, if something like that is

00:51:12.340 the best they've got, it's nothing. They've already thrown at President Trump everything they've got.

00:51:17.580 I mean, they've invented things, and those haven't stuck. So it's hard to imagine that they've got

00:51:21.580 any October surprise left. Don't you think we'll see a leak of his tax records? I think that's what

00:51:24.800 we're going to see. And I think, of course, they're going to have some tape of Melania saying

00:51:28.020 something bad. But to your point, unless it's something truly hideous, I just can't imagine

00:51:32.380 it sticking. I think it's the tax records. And the spectrum of truly hideous for Trump

00:51:36.160 is not the spectrum of truly hideous for normal human beings, right? I mean, Melania could be like,

00:51:41.180 yeah, he's off in the closet banging nine women at the same time. Or I'll be like,

00:51:43.940 USA, USA, USA, USA. Matt, what do you think?

00:51:50.920 Yeah, well, first of all, the idea that wives complain about their husband, I'm sure my wife

00:51:55.640 has never complained about me one time.

00:51:57.400 No, you're right. You're right.

00:51:59.520 But I also, you know, I wonder if everything is baked in for both of these guys. I mean,

00:52:04.080 you talk about the health issue. This is one of the reasons why I say he's not going to debate it,

00:52:07.880 because exactly what Ben's talking about, a moment where he really appears to just lose it

00:52:12.080 and freeze. That's the risk. And so why would you even take that risk, especially when you can

00:52:17.900 get out of it just by setting some standard or something Trump needs to do in order for you to

00:52:24.100 debate? I mean, really anything. It could be something with racial justice. Trump needs to

00:52:29.100 pledge to do this or that thing that he's not going to do. And then you can always say, well,

00:52:32.320 I want to debate, but he won't do it, so we're not going to debate. But even with the health thing,

00:52:36.120 I wonder if short of something really catastrophic, like I kind of think it would have to come

00:52:42.000 out that Biden is currently dead. Anything short of that, I wonder if people are just going to say,

00:52:48.360 well, yeah, he's an old guy. And we know that. But the reason we're electing him is because he's

00:52:52.680 not Trump, number one. And number two, you know, this is this is he's a transitional candidate. So

00:52:58.240 we don't even need him to, you know, be healthy for the entire term. We just need a Democrat in there.

00:53:03.640 Yeah. Interesting. The one thing we know is that we don't know everything yet. That's one of the

00:53:10.960 reasons, by the way, that I hate this whole idea of early voting. And both parties are really calling

00:53:14.400 for early voting right now, because when when parties are desperate and in times of corruption,

00:53:19.080 they always call on early voting. You shouldn't vote early. Listen, I've been open about this for

00:53:25.420 Ben and I, when we first started the company, we agreed. We don't think that the highest level of

00:53:31.500 transparency attainable for a media organization is to peddle the lie of objectivity. We think that the

00:53:38.660 highest level of transparency is to own your biases. And so I've been open about my biases

00:53:42.580 at every point along this journey. And you know that I'm most likely going to vote for Donald

00:53:48.060 Trump in 2020 after having not voted for the president in 2016, which I also told you at the

00:53:54.420 time. Nevertheless, the reason I say most likely to vote for Donald Trump in 2020 is because there

00:53:58.880 are still I grant the possibility that there are things that we do not yet know. Could any of those

00:54:04.400 things cause me to vote for a Democrat? Listen, it's not impossible that I would vote for a Democrat

00:54:08.640 for president. It would have to be like one step short of revolution. Like you would have to believe

00:54:12.540 that the Republican candidate was such a clear and present danger to the country that you couldn't

00:54:18.340 even leave it to chance, right? That you'd be voting against everything you believe in would mean that

00:54:22.360 whatever that person represented would have to be even more of what you don't believe in. Is that

00:54:26.860 likely to happen in this situation? Of course not. As you said, they've thrown everything they've got

00:54:31.920 at President Trump. I think we know most of what there is to know about him. Nevertheless,

00:54:36.760 I do believe you're supposed to keep your options open. You're supposed to make these guys

00:54:39.880 earn your votes. And it's possible that there could be things that made it impossible for you to pull

00:54:44.180 the lever for someone. Vote early. This term that everyone's using used to be connected to another

00:54:49.900 term, vote often, right? Vote early and vote often. And it really is the same thing now. It's just a

00:54:55.220 little wink at corruption. But absolutely, I think that...

00:54:59.280 Quick note on this, by the way. Please, yeah.

00:55:02.140 So it's kind of amazing how both parties box them in with regard to the procedures of voting.

00:55:07.820 So Donald Trump, on the one hand, he was like, mail-in voting, it's a threat to the Republic.

00:55:11.580 Mail-in voting is really, really bad. Oppose universal mail-in voting. And by the way,

00:55:14.540 he is correct that universal mail-in voting, which is not the same as an absentee ballot,

00:55:17.940 is really, really bad. Okay? The idea that you're just going to be at home and somebody's going to

00:55:21.060 send you a ballot. And then we're going to have ballot harvesters who, like you, because they know

00:55:25.340 which party you're a member of, they're going to show up at your front door. And you weren't going to vote because you

00:55:28.060 really didn't care. But now, you're going to vote because the ballot harvester shows up. That's

00:55:31.680 rife for fraud. It's rife for abuse. That's the best case scenario of what happens with ballot

00:55:34.580 It's rife for, at the very least, massive confusion because the standards are very unclear.

00:55:38.860 But politically, it is malfeasance to talk about how bad it is to do mail-in voting. Because you've

00:55:45.400 now convinced your entire base not to do mail-in voting. Now, by the same... Which, by the way,

00:55:50.040 is why Trump then reversed himself in Florida. He's like, wait a second, there are a bunch of old

00:55:52.860 people who are going to vote for me in Florida. Mail-in voting in Florida is good. Everywhere else is bad.

00:55:55.820 In Florida, it's very good. The Democrats, because they're idiots, did the precise opposite mistake.

00:56:01.440 They were like, you know what? It's super dangerous to go to the polls, guys. The only thing that's

00:56:05.120 important is mail-in voting. Mail-in voting is super duper important. You should never, ever go out and

00:56:10.420 vote on the day of the election because you might spread the COVID. And Donald Trump is trying to

00:56:13.940 skew the election by stopping the mail-in voting. So what's going to happen? Democrats aren't going to

00:56:18.060 show up on election day because they're going to be afraid of COVID, right? So now the Democrats are

00:56:20.740 starting to... It's so amusing to watch. The Democrats are starting to be like, you know what?

00:56:24.640 Maybe we can vote in person now. Maybe we can't. The NBA, they went on strike for literally 3.7

00:56:31.140 seconds. The WNBA went on strike and their fan was super pissed. The NBA went on strike and for like

00:56:36.520 3.7 seconds, they were on strike. And then they realized, wait a second, we're striking literally

00:56:40.760 against our own business because we're idiots. And then they came back. And the concession they

00:56:44.480 received from the owners is the owners said that they would use their arenas for voting places.

00:56:49.140 Well, wait a second. I thought five seconds ago it was super dangerous to vote in person.

00:56:52.020 But now apparently not. Do you get the feeling that COVID is ever like a political thing for

00:56:55.540 the Democrats? Like ever just a little bit like the COVID handling is just a little bit

00:56:59.220 political? Quick note, by the way, I think that as a political matter, we should open a show on

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01:00:57.880 if we don't have one Protestant Catholic argument. Yeah. And so what I...

01:01:01.920 I'm just going to stay over here, guys. Go at it. Go at it. Enjoy yourself.

01:01:04.340 There's no place for you in this conversation, my friend. What I want to talk about actually

01:01:08.000 is the Catholicism...

01:01:09.820 Why the Pope is terrible. Go.

01:01:12.020 And I don't mean just Pope. I'm in the papacy itself, historically.

01:01:15.920 Martin Luther deserves a theme song, but if he has one, I don't know what it is.

01:01:19.660 No, what I want to talk about is the Catholicism of Democrats because we live in a country where

01:01:25.900 every Democrat is Catholic. Every pro-abortion Democrat in the country is Catholic.

01:01:34.500 Now, to my understanding, you're not even allowed to... Basically, half of them aren't even

01:01:39.540 allowed to take communion in Catholic churches. Nevertheless, what is it about... You can

01:01:46.960 answer this either way. I'm setting it up as being a jerk because of our Protestant Catholic

01:01:51.140 debates, but I'm actually very curious about it, so don't take this as a jab. I want to

01:01:55.520 know what the relationship between Democrat politicians and Catholicism is. Why one wields

01:02:00.700 the other and which is wielding which? Matt? I was just going to look up... I didn't have

01:02:06.840 a chance. I'm going to look up statistics. How many Democrats are Catholic versus Protestant?

01:02:09.840 Because I'm pretty sure... I'm pretty sure there are more Protestants, but I didn't have a chance.

01:02:13.340 They're more Protestant, but Catholics are split. If you look at just Democrats, they're more

01:02:19.160 Protestant. But if you look at Catholics, for some reason, they're split 50-50, even though

01:02:24.040 the Catholic Church does not permit you to support many of the things the Democratic...

01:02:28.620 But I guess what I would say, too, what I would say in all sincerity is that, yes, there may

01:02:33.380 very well be more Protestant Democrats, and there may very well be more or an equal number

01:02:39.240 of Catholics who are Republican, but that's not really the question. The question is about

01:02:43.620 Democrat politicians who operate against everything that the church stands for, nevertheless

01:02:53.820 willed Catholicism somewhat uniquely. Yeah, I think the reason... There are a few reasons

01:02:59.360 for it, but first of all, these are sort of like legacy Catholics that were grandfathered

01:03:03.680 in. So as the Democrat Party has shifted, and we know that their grandparents and their

01:03:12.780 family has been Catholic. So as a shift in Democrat Party has happened, it also has happened in

01:03:18.880 the church in America. And part of the problem is, you point out a lot of these Democrats aren't

01:03:24.540 supposed to be taking communion, or they can't take communion, and that's true. I mean, none

01:03:28.740 of them should be taking communion because they all support open sin. They're all committing

01:03:32.320 the sin of scandal, a mortal sin, by supporting abortion. So not a single one of them is allowed

01:03:36.600 to take communion. But the problem is precisely that almost all of them are. It's very rare

01:03:41.760 that you hear about one of these guys actually being turned down in communion. And when it

01:03:45.480 does happen, the thing is that the priest who does it is shipped out of town, because a lot

01:03:49.040 of these bishops in America today are basically bureaucrats, not that far from the Democrat politicians

01:03:55.480 themselves. So I think if the rules were actually enforced, and these Democrats had to endure

01:04:02.300 the humiliation of being turned down for communion and that sort of thing, and actually being rebuked

01:04:07.480 by their bishops, then I don't think you're going to have as many Democrats identifying themselves

01:04:11.320 as Catholic. But that doesn't happen. So they identify themselves that way because they can,

01:04:15.060 and no one stops them. Yeah. I mean, Joe Biden is obviously an apostate who does not believe in

01:04:19.980 the faith. And he is obviously in a state of grave mortal sin, as Matt just mentioned, this sin of

01:04:26.500 scandal. But you see it even beyond the abortion question. It is not acceptable for faithful Catholics

01:04:32.740 to support socialism. You can't do it. There have been many papal encyclicals on this topic.

01:04:37.620 Rerum Novarum, Quota Apostolici Muneris, Centesimus Annus. I mean, it goes on and on and on. You cannot do it.

01:04:44.380 Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The trouble is there are many people who identify as Catholic

01:04:49.380 who don't really believe in the faith. Part of this may be because the Catholic Church, in the Christian

01:04:54.280 tradition, believes in infant baptism. Whereas more modern iterations of Protestantism over the

01:05:00.260 last two or three hundred years have rejected infant baptism to varying degrees. Many Protestants

01:05:04.900 do support infant baptism. So when it comes to more evangelical or modern Christian Protestant

01:05:10.420 denominations, they believe that it requires this act of will that you have to do when you're 20 years

01:05:15.200 old or 25 years old. And so you're much more conscious of it. One thing you'll notice is the most

01:05:20.220 conservative people in the country very often will be Catholics. If you think of people like Bill

01:05:25.120 Buckley, Phyllis Schlafly, Russell Kirk, these guys are often Catholic. And yet there are so many

01:05:30.240 liberal politicians, Mario Cuomo, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, who at least say that they're Catholic,

01:05:35.280 but they're not. One thing that I would point to for these really conservative Catholics is they're

01:05:41.400 all reverts or they're all converts. They're people who did either float away from the faith and then

01:05:47.000 they came back to it or they chose it from some other religion. And therefore, they're thinking

01:05:53.380 very consciously about it. I wish that these polls reflected and these politicians reflected people

01:05:59.420 who actually practice the faith versus people who are merely identifying in that way, in the same way

01:06:05.600 that someone like Douglas Murray would identify as a Christian atheist, which is obviously preposterous,

01:06:10.440 but it is getting at something alluding to a history or a tradition or an aesthetic. And Ben, you could

01:06:15.080 probably speak to this very clearly between people who practice Judaism and people who are merely,

01:06:20.920 say, ethnically Jewish, but they don't actually believe anything about Judaism.

01:06:23.840 In Protestantism, we don't have any of this. We just pay poor boys to have sex with our wives,

01:06:28.120 right? Come on, come on. It had to come up at some point, but it was...

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01:06:46.280 along with Alicia Krauss as we engage in 30 more minutes of whatever the heck it is.

01:06:51.860 I can't believe you sneak that in while the rest of us watch.

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The Matt Walsh Show - August 29, 2020

Daily Wire Backstage： RNC-Ya At The Polls Edition

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