The Matt Walsh Show - Daily Wire Backstage： The Commies Are At It Again

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00:00:03.640 Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Jeremy Boring, Michael Knowles, Andrew Klavan, and myself.

00:00:07.980 We all talk about Joe Biden's continual decline, social media censorship,

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00:00:21.880 Welcome to the Daily Wire Backstage.

00:00:24.640 The commies are at it again.

00:00:26.100 I'm Jeremy Boring, known round here.

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00:00:33.120 Will protesters in Cuba have to burn the American flag rather than march with it

00:00:37.000 if they want to get any mainstream media coverage?

00:00:38.980 Will Joe Biden continue to snap at female reporters until they let him sniff their hair?

00:00:43.180 Does the White House teaming up with Facebook on a censorship campaign against misinformation

00:00:47.020 make anyone else feel like we're living in the authoritarian moment?

00:00:52.720 You know, guys, I'm just not feeling it.

00:00:56.840 What are you talking about?

00:00:57.620 I mean, physically I feel fine, but emotionally I'm just, it's not fun for me anymore, you

00:01:04.460 know, and I'm just not in the right headspace.

00:01:06.240 And so I think I'm just going to, I've got to take some time for me.

00:01:08.860 Keep your seat, buddy.

00:01:09.680 You have an obligation to your team.

00:01:11.000 You have an obligation to your country.

00:01:13.240 But I am still a winner in my own heart, right?

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00:03:32.100 Wow.

00:03:32.480 Was that the whole show?

00:03:33.600 Are we done?

00:03:34.600 Yeah.

00:03:34.880 The title, God King, is just an honorific they give you if you make it through all the copy

00:03:39.460 on the top of a printer.

00:03:40.500 Really, anyone can be a God King.

00:03:42.340 Michael, I have to say, that was one of the bravest things I've ever seen in my life.

00:03:44.780 Thank you very much for recognizing my courage and that I need to take care of myself.

00:03:48.880 It's just the heroism, the authenticity.

00:03:51.000 Yes.

00:03:51.480 I was blown away by it.

00:03:52.820 Kinzinger levels of authenticity.

00:03:54.120 Of course, we should talk about this story of Simone Biles, actually one of the great

00:03:59.800 American athletes, one of the great gymnasts of all time, perhaps the greatest gymnast

00:04:02.740 of all time, walking off of her team challenge at the Olympics because she had the SADS.

00:04:08.660 And what are we to make of a culture in which such a thing is possible?

00:04:13.280 Matt?

00:04:13.500 I think it's important for everyone to understand here.

00:04:17.180 And I think I could speak for most people in the room, at least myself.

00:04:20.140 I wouldn't care.

00:04:21.340 I'll just speak for myself.

00:04:22.220 So I wouldn't, if she just walked off and quit and then apologized afterwards and said,

00:04:27.180 hey, you know, I really just felt like I couldn't do it.

00:04:28.940 And then everyone reacted with appropriate disappointment.

00:04:31.180 And we all said, oh, that's too bad.

00:04:33.080 Then I wouldn't be talking about it at all.

00:04:34.380 I wouldn't care.

00:04:35.100 I would just say, well, yeah, people quit.

00:04:36.620 I understand why people quit.

00:04:37.820 It's relatable.

00:04:38.520 It's understandable.

00:04:39.160 We all quit things when they're hard.

00:04:40.600 The problem is when the media tells us that we have to celebrate this thing.

00:04:45.240 Now we take cowardice.

00:04:46.840 And I'm not saying that she's nothing but a coward, but this was a cowardly act.

00:04:50.380 It was a difficult thing.

00:04:52.140 She didn't want to do, and she decided not to do it.

00:04:53.840 That's, you know, that's something we've all done that before.

00:04:58.300 When you tell us we have to celebrate that.

00:04:59.060 I almost didn't come on the show tonight.

00:05:01.440 When you tell us that that is now, I think the New Yorker called that, or the New York Times called that radical courage.

00:05:06.280 That's when it becomes absurd.

00:05:08.640 And there's also a double standard here, too, because we know, you know, you cannot imagine Tom Brady in the middle of the playoffs, third quarter, they're down by a couple scores, and he walks off the field, goes to the sideline, and says, hey, coach, you know, I'm just not in the right space right now.

00:05:23.400 I need to sit and collect my thoughts.

00:05:25.160 It would never happen.

00:05:26.160 And if it did happen, I don't think there'd be anyone celebrating his courage for doing it.

00:05:30.000 Did you see what her teammate said?

00:05:32.360 So she came out, and because one of the arguments was, well, Simone Biles, a woman who I had never heard of until last night, by the way, that's how little I care about the Olympics.

00:05:40.660 I guess I just, I don't care about the Olympics, kind of to your point.

00:05:43.420 I wouldn't be talking about it except for this reaction.

00:05:46.120 And they said, well, Simone Biles let her teammates down.

00:05:49.540 And then the teammate came out and said, this is wonderful.

00:05:52.440 We support her.

00:05:53.660 We don't owe you a gold medal.

00:05:55.880 This is just about us.

00:05:57.440 And so it's true that the athletes don't owe us a gold medal.

00:06:02.980 But they do owe us trying.

00:06:05.620 They do owe us competing.

00:06:07.100 Because it's not actually about Simone Biles.

00:06:08.820 I mean, she's a, I take it to be, she's a wonderful athlete.

00:06:11.720 It is somewhat about the team.

00:06:13.600 But it's really about the country.

00:06:15.380 We sent them to go represent us and go try to win some medals.

00:06:18.980 And so there is a sense of duty, I think, or there used to be.

00:06:23.060 I think that the big question, there's a sort of preliminary question and there's the secondary question.

00:06:27.600 The preliminary question is why she actually walked off.

00:06:29.700 So if she actually walked off because she was suffering from what they're now calling aerial disorientation, which apparently is a thing, where you get up in the air and you don't know where you are.

00:06:37.060 And it can be really dangerous.

00:06:38.020 Like if you see what she does, I mean, if you actually see her performance, unbelievable.

00:06:41.980 Michael hasn't.

00:06:42.640 But I think everyone else on Earth, literally.

00:06:45.680 It's just, I mean, it's incredible what the woman's capable of doing.

00:06:48.380 And she's been the best gymnast on Earth for the last eight years.

00:06:50.740 If she was actually in a place where mentally she had lost her ability to orient her body and so she could really hurt herself and so she said, I'm not going to do this.

00:06:58.520 That is understandable, but it's still not heroic.

00:07:01.000 And this is the part, that gets to the secondary question.

00:07:03.120 So putting aside whether she's wrong or cowardly, like that depends on what she actually, the reason why she actually walked off.

00:07:08.840 They worked their way to this aerial disorientation argument.

00:07:13.200 That isn't the actual, that's not what was being said at the time.

00:07:15.900 It's not what she said.

00:07:17.040 Right.

00:07:17.340 Well, she, right.

00:07:18.240 She explained why she walked off.

00:07:20.300 We're all trying to interpret what was the real reason.

00:07:22.360 She actually said it.

00:07:23.480 She said that, she said she wasn't having fun.

00:07:26.140 She said she was, she was under a lot of pressure.

00:07:28.300 She wanted to do it for herself, not anybody else.

00:07:31.080 Those are the reasons she gave.

00:07:32.460 That's fair enough.

00:07:33.500 But the real bigger question is the one that you're asking, which is why as a culture,

00:07:36.900 because I care less about her as an individual and why she did what she did, why as a culture,

00:07:40.700 there are multiple op-eds, one in the Times, one in the Washington Post,

00:07:43.920 talking about how we have to redefine victory to include not participating.

00:07:49.600 And what makes the hero the hero of any story is overcoming the obstacle, not sitting down.

00:07:55.080 Like if Michael Jordan played famously a game in the playoffs where he had the flu,

00:07:58.480 and he plays this unbelievable game, he scores over 40 points,

00:08:01.160 and this is known as the flu game.

00:08:03.160 It was one of Michael Jordan's kind of storied moments in his career.

00:08:05.380 If he had sat down and said, listen, I have the flu tonight, I can't play.

00:08:08.220 Nobody would have been like, wow, that's terrible.

00:08:10.080 What a terrible person.

00:08:11.320 He didn't play through the flu.

00:08:12.600 But what made him the hero is that he played through the flu, right,

00:08:14.860 is that he played while he was sick.

00:08:16.520 And the move from I did what I was supposed to do for my teammates despite the obstacle

00:08:21.260 is the heroism to I've honored my own authentic feelings of what I ought to do.

00:08:27.260 That is a society-wide problem, right?

00:08:29.160 And that's not relegated to sports.

00:08:30.760 We have decided as a culture that we care more about you honoring your own authenticity

00:08:34.360 than we care about you fulfilling your obligations to others.

00:08:36.980 It's the purpose of what these people do.

00:08:38.500 After all, all they're doing is like flipping through the air,

00:08:41.000 and the reason you do that is to demonstrate excellence.

00:08:43.540 And to demonstrate excellence, you have to overcome the obstacles.

00:08:46.720 And I don't want to pick on her.

00:08:47.700 I'm with you on this.

00:08:48.820 I don't want to pick on her.

00:08:49.560 Maybe she felt she was in danger.

00:08:50.820 Maybe she felt she couldn't pull it off.

00:08:53.500 There's no, it's not exactly a shame to say I cannot do this.

00:08:57.700 It is a shame to hold that up to people as heroism.

00:09:01.320 In the same way to send out a soccer team that kneels, that's the American soccer team that kneels.

00:09:06.940 Well, honestly, I was happy that they lost to the flag.

00:09:08.660 Well, me too.

00:09:09.300 I felt like a bunch of Swedish blondes beat these purple-headed, you know.

00:09:14.160 Donald Trump's never said anything truer than America is glad that they lost.

00:09:20.420 Of course we're glad that they lost because they don't represent us.

00:09:24.840 Why would I be happy that they win when they are choosing not to represent me?

00:09:28.980 There's a reason they're there.

00:09:30.000 There's a reason there's to honor America.

00:09:31.460 The entire argument that we can have people at the Olympics who kneel or don't pay attention to the anthem,

00:09:36.820 it's the equivalent of the Yankees signing somebody for $100 million,

00:09:39.920 and they go out on the field and like, you know what, I hate the Yankees.

00:09:41.880 I'm just going to rip the stripes right off my shoulder.

00:09:43.740 Who in their right mind, the owner wouldn't allow that to happen.

00:09:46.120 I'm so confused as to why we as a country who sponsor these athletes to go to the Olympics

00:09:49.820 are supposed to be okay and celebratory.

00:09:51.740 I also find like this is just, it's kind of almost circular.

00:09:53.880 Like we started at, I guess, the women's movement being like,

00:09:55.900 we really just need to have women into these spaces.

00:09:58.240 Men have sports.

00:09:58.860 We need to have a women's sports team.

00:10:00.540 Men have a, you know, gymnast team.

00:10:02.020 We need to have women gymnastics team.

00:10:03.700 We can do what men can do.

00:10:05.040 And then it just seems to be over and over again,

00:10:06.820 it's the women that are throwing down the towel and saying,

00:10:08.840 this is too much pressure.

00:10:09.720 I can't do this.

00:10:10.520 You've got like Naomi Osaka, you've got Simone Biles walking away.

00:10:14.100 I just haven't seen a guy do this and say,

00:10:15.680 I just can't do this because I'm under emotional pressure.

00:10:18.100 So, you know,

00:10:18.980 this might be an argument for trans women in the Olympics.

00:10:21.740 I don't know.

00:10:22.080 Well, did you see actually on that point,

00:10:24.880 and it kind of ties in with the excellence point that you made, Drew,

00:10:27.440 the head of the Olympics broadcasting agency said,

00:10:31.020 this year, unlike years in the past,

00:10:32.840 we are not going to focus the camera angles on the women's bodies

00:10:36.120 because that's wrong.

00:10:37.460 We shouldn't be looking at the women's bodies.

00:10:39.440 And I thought, you know,

00:10:40.940 these are the most beautiful,

00:10:43.420 exquisitely sculpted people,

00:10:45.000 the men and the women for that matter,

00:10:46.320 like on earth, we send them all there.

00:10:48.400 Like 0% body fat.

00:10:49.380 0% body fat.

00:10:50.180 This goes back to ancient Greece,

00:10:51.460 that these people are physical specimens,

00:10:54.160 and we're not allowed to marvel at that anymore.

00:10:56.640 Actually, that level of excellence,

00:10:57.980 we're not...

00:10:58.080 I actually want to pick up on this idea of marveling,

00:10:59.660 because I think that the entire...

00:11:01.940 I said this about the Victoria's Secret models

00:11:04.980 when they removed the angels from the catalog,

00:11:06.940 and everyone was like,

00:11:07.640 well, this is good,

00:11:08.360 because these incredibly physically fit,

00:11:11.080 you know, genetically unbelievable specimens of humanity

00:11:14.240 shouldn't be models.

00:11:15.760 And I thought, well, no, that's what a model is.

00:11:18.020 A model...

00:11:18.720 When we call someone a model,

00:11:20.540 it's not the same...

00:11:21.520 The word doesn't mean the same thing

00:11:22.720 as when we say that you have a model train.

00:11:24.560 A model train is a miniature replica

00:11:27.500 of something much larger.

00:11:29.700 When we use the word model

00:11:30.620 for someone who is a fashion model,

00:11:33.040 we're actually saying that they are the ideal form.

00:11:35.240 It's aspirational.

00:11:35.960 It's aspirational.

00:11:37.000 And athletes are aspirational.

00:11:38.780 We watch athletes because we want...

00:11:40.480 Not because...

00:11:41.300 I can't do what they do.

00:11:42.620 People on Twitter are like,

00:11:43.680 how dare you say that she did the wrong thing?

00:11:45.220 You could never do half of what she does.

00:11:47.240 Of course I can't do half of what she does.

00:11:49.580 The reason that we send people up to do these things

00:11:51.760 and to represent our country by doing them

00:11:53.360 is because we aspire to...

00:11:56.160 It's not that I want to be Tom Brady.

00:11:57.900 I don't want to...

00:11:58.580 I don't care about football enough to be Tom Brady.

00:12:01.220 I don't have any of the innate capabilities of Tom Brady.

00:12:03.140 I don't have the discipline of Tom Brady.

00:12:04.820 But in some way, when I engage with the sport,

00:12:07.580 Tom Brady represents an idealized form

00:12:09.860 of what humans can achieve.

00:12:11.840 And that is part...

00:12:12.820 That's part of his job.

00:12:14.000 They do what they do so that we can...

00:12:16.500 And that kind of connects with what Ben is saying.

00:12:18.120 So saying that it's actually a larger discussion

00:12:19.720 about what we're doing in society right now, right?

00:12:21.000 So now they're trying to edit everybody

00:12:22.420 and say, actually, we shouldn't aspire towards victory.

00:12:24.580 We should aspire towards walking away

00:12:26.340 and just throwing the talent.

00:12:28.140 That's now something that we should be...

00:12:29.600 You know, should be aspirational in society.

00:12:31.080 And then you take a look at what's going on

00:12:32.260 at the same time in the school system.

00:12:34.240 You know, I talked about it on my show,

00:12:35.680 but, you know, Bill Gates is funding an initiative

00:12:37.740 called Equitable Math, right?

00:12:39.160 Because they've determined that

00:12:39.920 getting the right answer in math is racist, right?

00:12:42.400 I'm not kidding.

00:12:43.160 It's a form of white supremacy

00:12:44.060 to ask kids to get the right answer in math.

00:12:46.220 I was never racist in math class in that class.

00:12:47.660 So it's...

00:12:48.120 I was never racist in math class either.

00:12:50.460 But, you know, so they said,

00:12:51.720 instead, what we need to do in the classroom

00:12:53.480 is we need to have children

00:12:54.860 that get the correct amount of points,

00:12:57.020 even though their answer is wrong

00:12:58.440 because they tried.

00:12:59.520 And this is really the same thing

00:13:01.000 that's happening here.

00:13:01.820 You're literally just saying

00:13:03.240 it's no longer enough to be good

00:13:04.920 or to be great,

00:13:05.960 doing things absolutely wrong,

00:13:07.340 walking away.

00:13:08.280 That's now...

00:13:09.000 You don't even have to try.

00:13:09.920 Yeah, you don't have to try.

00:13:11.160 There's something so self-serving about this

00:13:13.700 because, yeah,

00:13:15.140 if we criticize Simone Biles,

00:13:16.740 suddenly we're the bad guys.

00:13:18.980 But really,

00:13:19.900 and we're being selfish or something

00:13:21.320 because we want her to put her body at risk.

00:13:23.580 No, we, as you say,

00:13:25.340 this is aspirational.

00:13:26.600 These are great people

00:13:28.280 and we want to see them do great things.

00:13:29.900 For them to quit in the middle

00:13:30.880 is disappointing.

00:13:32.000 But the people who say,

00:13:33.360 oh, no, quitting is actually courageous

00:13:35.120 because you're living your truth.

00:13:36.260 And as long as you're, you know,

00:13:38.720 maintaining your own psychological health,

00:13:40.240 it's actually a courageous thing to do.

00:13:41.700 That's just another way of them saying,

00:13:43.380 well, I'm courageous also

00:13:44.440 because anyone can do that.

00:13:45.800 I mean, anybody...

00:13:46.520 Anyone cannot participate.

00:13:47.720 Right, exactly.

00:13:48.940 It's bravery is rare.

00:13:50.620 That's why we look up to it.

00:13:52.080 When something is...

00:13:52.900 It is very, very difficult

00:13:53.900 to be an Olympic gymnast.

00:13:55.420 I fully understand it.

00:13:56.420 And the pressure that Simone Biles is under

00:13:58.020 as the greatest,

00:13:59.120 and everyone is expecting greatness

00:14:00.220 from you all the time.

00:14:01.540 To even try to live up to that

00:14:03.460 is incredibly difficult.

00:14:05.100 And most people can't do it.

00:14:06.200 That's why we admire it.

00:14:07.520 But saying that this is difficult,

00:14:09.260 I don't want to do it.

00:14:10.680 Anyone can do that.

00:14:11.880 And so if that's courageous,

00:14:13.080 if I'm saying that's courageous,

00:14:14.020 what I'm saying is,

00:14:14.680 well, I get to be courageous too.

00:14:15.580 It's also the misapplication of compassion,

00:14:17.920 which I feel is a really damaging thing

00:14:19.720 for the society as a whole.

00:14:21.160 Of course I feel compassion for her.

00:14:22.780 I feel compassion for a guy

00:14:24.040 who feels like he's a woman inside.

00:14:25.700 I'm compassionate for the suffering

00:14:27.420 that they feel.

00:14:28.800 But that doesn't make him a woman.

00:14:29.880 And it doesn't mean

00:14:30.640 that this is a heroic act.

00:14:31.800 You know, you can actually feel

00:14:33.880 somebody else's pain

00:14:35.100 without trying to erase that pain.

00:14:37.380 I actually do object to

00:14:39.680 our friend Charlie Kirk.

00:14:41.700 And listen, obviously we all admire

00:14:44.980 and are friendly with Charlie.

00:14:46.700 I think that he went overboard

00:14:47.940 when he said something

00:14:49.060 along the lines of that

00:14:49.940 she's a sociopath for what she did.

00:14:52.640 She's not a sociopath for what she did.

00:14:54.560 She's narcissistic though,

00:14:56.140 not for what she did,

00:14:56.980 but because of her justification

00:14:58.800 of what she did.

00:15:00.200 That is a narcissistic act.

00:15:01.400 Well, yeah, and I want to get

00:15:02.280 to talking about narcissism

00:15:03.140 because it's funny

00:15:03.840 because they started to sort of thread

00:15:05.400 Naomi Osaka,

00:15:06.660 at the same time they were trending,

00:15:07.380 Naomi Osaka, Simon Simone Biles,

00:15:09.920 is that correct?

00:15:10.360 Yes.

00:15:10.800 And Meghan Markle.

00:15:13.240 And they said,

00:15:13.780 this year black women are saying

00:15:15.300 they've had enough.

00:15:16.120 And again, talking about the irony here,

00:15:18.000 the same argument with the feminist, right?

00:15:19.300 So it's like you have the black,

00:15:21.000 group of black people that believe

00:15:22.540 we're just not allowed

00:15:23.440 into these spaces, right?

00:15:24.560 There's just institutional racism everywhere.

00:15:26.780 And then when you get into these spaces,

00:15:28.140 you say, I quit, right?

00:15:29.180 So it's just like, I just don't understand

00:15:30.880 where this goalpost is going, right?

00:15:33.260 So Meghan Markle,

00:15:34.120 they've been historically racist.

00:15:35.480 She married into the family.

00:15:36.140 I quit, right?

00:15:37.100 Simone Biles, oh, it's historical racism.

00:15:38.840 There's no black, you know, I quit.

00:15:40.260 It's like, so what is the actual goal?

00:15:42.520 Is I just, I don't know where we're going.

00:15:44.400 And maybe that is the point.

00:15:45.500 It's just chaos.

00:15:46.180 Well, it's this radical kind of subjectivism, right?

00:15:48.740 Because this is actually what ties in the math

00:15:50.700 and the physical bodies and everything.

00:15:52.460 It's this full-on assault on standards

00:15:54.240 where when the friend who's on the Olympic team says,

00:15:57.340 well, we're winners in our hearts,

00:15:58.900 I think, well, that's great.

00:15:59.880 But we want you to be winners in reality, actually.

00:16:02.840 My TV prefer.

00:16:03.940 You know, if you now say that there is a standard

00:16:06.380 of physical excellence or right or wrong

00:16:08.540 or true or false or good or bad,

00:16:10.180 then math is racist and Victoria's Secret is racist.

00:16:12.920 Now you're seeing just this total inversion

00:16:14.660 where that which is sort of false and wrong and ugly,

00:16:17.320 that's exalted as the highest good.

00:16:18.760 Is that an actual quote?

00:16:19.600 Winners in our heart?

00:16:20.460 Did someone say that?

00:16:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:21.460 This member of the Olympic team, yeah.

00:16:23.200 She tweeted it out, yeah.

00:16:24.060 Yeah, I think earlier this week on my podcast,

00:16:28.160 I was talking about how we have an empathy crisis

00:16:30.980 in this country, but the crisis isn't lack of empathy.

00:16:32.980 It's that we have two very different versions

00:16:34.420 of what empathy constitutes.

00:16:35.980 On the one hand, you have people generally on the right

00:16:38.420 who believe that what empathy is

00:16:39.760 is understanding that other people

00:16:40.840 are individual human beings

00:16:41.860 with the capacity to reason and come to conclusions.

00:16:44.100 And so if they come to a conclusion

00:16:45.500 that is different from your own,

00:16:47.100 you still have to respect the fact

00:16:48.500 they came to a conclusion different from your own.

00:16:50.040 But as a reasonable person,

00:16:51.860 you can assess whether that conclusion is right or wrong

00:16:54.560 and you can hold them to a particular standard.

00:16:55.980 So you understand that the other person is a person,

00:16:58.620 but they're still held to that particular standard.

00:17:00.560 It's not unempathetic to hold that person to the standard.

00:17:02.720 It's actually more empathetic

00:17:03.440 because you expect them to be a rational human being.

00:17:05.500 And then there's the standard of the left,

00:17:06.560 which is that empathy means

00:17:08.040 that whatever is the subjective feeling

00:17:09.600 that somebody has inside,

00:17:10.780 all of society is supposed to conform to that.

00:17:12.560 All of policy is supposed to conform to that.

00:17:14.320 And that creates a really asymmetrical politics

00:17:17.060 because if you're on the left

00:17:18.220 and you conflate policy with empathy,

00:17:20.900 then what this means is that

00:17:21.760 if you oppose my policy,

00:17:22.780 you are non-empathetic by definition.

00:17:24.260 You're a bad person by definition.

00:17:26.000 Whereas people on the right,

00:17:27.260 we understand that policy

00:17:28.920 is completely not connected with empathy, right?

00:17:31.460 It has nothing to do with empathy

00:17:32.600 in the sense that the left is talking about it.

00:17:34.740 And so you could disagree with me on policy

00:17:36.240 and still be an empathetic person.

00:17:37.760 The left just doesn't accept that.

00:17:38.800 I think that this goes to something,

00:17:39.880 you're saying it in a sort of glib, funny way,

00:17:41.820 but there is a feminine component to this,

00:17:44.100 that we live in a society now

00:17:45.720 that has taken everything feminine, good and bad,

00:17:48.900 and elevated it to virtue.

00:17:50.620 And everything that's masculine, good and bad,

00:17:52.980 and denigrated it to sin.

00:17:54.680 And so the effect of this

00:17:56.660 is that you have negative femininity

00:17:58.800 being treated good

00:18:00.160 and positive masculinity being treated as bad.

00:18:03.520 I'm not saying that a woman's rights

00:18:06.260 should be limited in any way.

00:18:07.580 I'm saying something descriptive here,

00:18:09.760 not proscriptive to borrow from Ben.

00:18:11.580 It is a simple fact that for the vast majority of human history,

00:18:15.620 women have been primarily concerned with building the home.

00:18:19.700 And building the home requires huge amounts of empathy

00:18:22.280 because you're working with the most flawed people, children,

00:18:25.960 and you're helping to rear them and make adults out of them.

00:18:28.580 Men, historically, have been not primarily concerned

00:18:32.820 with building the home.

00:18:33.580 They've been concerned with building the home for the home,

00:18:35.740 which is the society.

00:18:36.940 And for that reason, in societies,

00:18:40.020 we see the best and worst of masculine virtue.

00:18:43.500 Horrible masculinity at its worst is very barbarian.

00:18:48.380 You see this in pre-civilizational societies.

00:18:52.100 You see it in certain third world societies

00:18:53.980 or Middle Eastern societies.

00:18:55.680 But there are positive aspects of masculinity,

00:18:58.260 which were cultivated largely in Western society,

00:19:01.620 imperfectly, but over time,

00:19:03.200 where you have concepts like justice,

00:19:04.900 not social justice, but justice.

00:19:07.140 Justice is not empathetic.

00:19:09.120 You don't want to raise your kids justice first.

00:19:12.700 You have to raise your kids empathy first,

00:19:14.880 but you have to order your society justice first.

00:19:17.220 And we're at this place now where

00:19:18.820 instead of having a natural tension

00:19:21.620 between those two things,

00:19:23.260 we've just completely eliminated one of them as evil.

00:19:25.680 And so it is women primarily.

00:19:27.840 It's an acknowledgement.

00:19:28.140 Yeah, it's an acknowledgement of our biological predispositions.

00:19:30.500 And that's the irony.

00:19:31.240 And that's why I laugh at this stuff

00:19:32.340 because every time you see it, it's a woman.

00:19:34.040 It is Naomi Osaka.

00:19:35.320 It is Simone Biles.

00:19:36.220 And you look at them and you just go,

00:19:37.640 you are acknowledging that women

00:19:39.040 are not the same under pressure as men.

00:19:41.520 And it's funny, but it is what it is.

00:19:44.200 I laugh at it and I say, okay, you know, I'm happy.

00:19:47.080 You want to go home?

00:19:47.760 I don't mind.

00:19:48.280 I'm with you.

00:19:48.820 I think it's totally fine, acceptable.

00:19:50.460 They are under a lot of pressure.

00:19:51.900 There's no requirement for them to have to perform.

00:19:54.320 But I do have, I think it's very annoying

00:19:56.160 when afterwards they come to us

00:19:58.600 and it's like, well, this person is a hero anyways.

00:20:00.180 I won in our, we won in our hearts, said no male team ever.

00:20:05.000 You know, this also goes back to what Michael was saying

00:20:08.040 about these bodies.

00:20:10.280 I would actually go further than what you're saying

00:20:12.600 because I think the female body

00:20:14.300 is at the center of all human relationship.

00:20:17.520 I mean, the attraction to the female body.

00:20:19.400 Like everybody, I only watch women's sports

00:20:21.920 for the skimpy outfits.

00:20:23.200 I believe, I believe, I mean, like everyone on earth, right?

00:20:26.220 Of course.

00:20:26.400 I believe they should be able to choose

00:20:28.140 not to wear those skimpy outfits

00:20:29.620 while they're doing the thing that I won't be watching.

00:20:31.620 But still, I think that the truth is the truth.

00:20:35.800 And this attraction that we feel to women's bodies

00:20:38.440 is part of our humanity.

00:20:39.820 We're embodied creatures.

00:20:41.160 We're here to reproduce.

00:20:42.000 I actually said this on Twitter this week.

00:20:45.420 Someone was angry about some man objectifying some woman.

00:20:49.340 And I said, you know, the fact that men find women attractive

00:20:52.940 is not bad.

00:20:55.240 It's not a fimp.

00:20:56.200 In fact, the promulgation of our entire species

00:20:58.800 depends on men finding women attractive.

00:21:01.800 To your point, that is baked in to who we are biologically.

00:21:05.380 I'm not suggesting that we are only the sum of our biology.

00:21:08.380 I'm not suggesting that every masculine trait is positive,

00:21:11.600 nor am I suggesting every feminine trait is negative.

00:21:14.340 But I am saying that unless we can have a conversation

00:21:16.380 about how you balance those things in a modern world,

00:21:19.380 you're only going to end up with the worst things.

00:21:21.260 You can never override biology.

00:21:22.660 I just want to object.

00:21:23.700 Ultimately, it's going to be negative masculinity

00:21:25.880 that prevails because as the society,

00:21:28.520 as good men are weakened,

00:21:30.760 bad men are going to fill that vacuum.

00:21:33.140 I watch the WNBA because I want to see

00:21:36.600 if one of them can dunk for the first time.

00:21:38.720 That's enough.

00:21:39.960 That's enough.

00:21:41.080 I have to do an ad, and there's no way to segue.

00:21:45.300 So instead, I'm just going to go right into it.

00:21:47.340 How do you choose which internet service provider you use?

00:21:49.520 The sad thing is most of us have very little choice

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00:22:01.740 Many ISPs log your internet activity

00:22:03.820 and sell that data to other big tech companies or advertisers.

00:22:07.480 To prevent ISPs from seeing my internet activity,

00:22:09.740 I protect all of my devices with ExpressVPN.

00:22:11.960 So you're asking, what is ExpressVPN?

00:22:14.540 Because you live under a rock

00:22:15.640 and have never listened to a Daily Wire show.

00:22:17.420 It's simple.

00:22:18.460 It's an app that you put on your computer or smartphone

00:22:20.460 that encrypts all of your network data

00:22:22.240 and tunnels it through a secure VPN server

00:22:24.980 so that your ISP can't see any of your activity.

00:22:28.920 I want you to think about that for a minute.

00:22:30.140 How much of your life is on the internet?

00:22:32.480 Sadly, the list of people you've messaged

00:22:34.500 or sites you've visited or videos that you've watched, Michael,

00:22:37.240 get tracked by tech giants

00:22:39.180 who can sell that information for a profit.

00:22:42.220 Your data, their profit.

00:22:44.520 That's why you have to use a VPN.

00:22:46.420 You particularly need to use a VPN

00:22:48.220 when you're on any kind of public network.

00:22:50.300 Anytime I travel, anytime I'm on an airplane,

00:22:52.540 other people on that plane

00:22:54.080 are capable of gaining access to your data.

00:22:56.540 So stop handing over your personal data

00:22:58.500 to ISPs and strangers and other tech giants

00:23:01.100 who mine your activity and sell off your information.

00:23:04.160 Protect yourself with the VPN I trust

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00:23:18.080 Go to expressvpn.com slash backstage right now

00:23:20.900 to learn more.

00:23:24.020 Matt, you never get to go

00:23:26.060 before I go into an ad read ever again.

00:23:29.480 So I want to talk a little bit

00:23:31.160 about the craziness happening in the country right now

00:23:33.560 around COVID.

00:23:34.660 You know, one of the things I've tried

00:23:36.220 to discipline myself about lately

00:23:38.180 is not to blame any of the effects

00:23:40.780 of the lockdowns on COVID.

00:23:42.060 You find yourself doing it all the time.

00:23:43.440 You'll say, well, unemployment is at record levels

00:23:46.120 because of COVID.

00:23:47.300 Unemployment is not at record levels

00:23:48.620 because of COVID.

00:23:49.700 Unemployment is at record levels

00:23:50.860 because of the unbelievable global overreaction

00:23:54.040 of the elite and people in power

00:23:56.120 to the pandemic.

00:23:57.840 I'm not saying there's not a pandemic.

00:23:59.280 I'm not saying that the pandemic

00:24:00.140 hasn't been deadly.

00:24:01.200 I'm not saying that no action

00:24:02.160 should have taken place in regard to the pandemic.

00:24:04.220 I'm saying the greatest act of mass hysteria

00:24:06.780 and overreach by governments

00:24:08.080 on a global scale in human history

00:24:10.160 is what we've just lived through.

00:24:11.620 And now, as we're coming out the other side,

00:24:14.280 as the vaccines have been widely dispersed,

00:24:17.380 certainly dispersed enough such

00:24:19.300 that everyone in this country

00:24:20.800 who wants a vaccine

00:24:22.500 has had the opportunity to have the vaccine.

00:24:25.120 At this very moment,

00:24:26.440 our federal government

00:24:27.280 and certain state and local governments

00:24:28.840 are considering forcing you to mask again

00:24:31.420 so that you can protect people

00:24:32.840 who choose not to get the vaccine,

00:24:35.180 which is their God-given right.

00:24:37.340 So some of them are requiring you now

00:24:39.940 to get vaccinated.

00:24:41.000 The Veterans Affairs Office today announced

00:24:43.740 that they're going to require vaccinations

00:24:44.940 from federal workers,

00:24:46.340 which, you know,

00:24:47.620 if it were happening in reverse,

00:24:49.040 you would say that it was a backhanded attempt

00:24:50.620 to drive the opposition party

00:24:52.220 out of what few positions they have

00:24:54.120 left in the federal government.

00:24:56.160 And we're supposed to take

00:24:57.020 all of that lying down.

00:24:57.880 In fact, social media has an entire,

00:25:01.060 basically, list of things

00:25:03.180 that we can and cannot say on this show

00:25:04.820 if we don't want to lose

00:25:06.300 our ability to speak on social media

00:25:08.000 in the future.

00:25:08.720 And you may say,

00:25:09.240 well, just say it anyway,

00:25:10.220 but we can't sacrifice our voice

00:25:12.340 on this and other important issues

00:25:14.220 just to be reckless and cavalier

00:25:15.780 about the things that we say.

00:25:16.840 But you should know,

00:25:17.720 we can't raise any question

00:25:19.540 as to whether or not vaccines,

00:25:21.060 the efficacy of vaccines,

00:25:22.300 you can't raise any questions

00:25:23.120 about the efficacy of masks.

00:25:25.520 You can't raise any questions

00:25:27.960 about the danger,

00:25:29.080 the threat of COVID to small children

00:25:31.080 unless you are incredibly precise

00:25:32.580 and say that COVID does not appear

00:25:36.400 to have a high fatality rate

00:25:38.780 among children under 12.

00:25:40.660 By even that,

00:25:41.740 they're probably going to flag us

00:25:42.680 and then decide it was okay.

00:25:43.720 Oh, he was very technically correct.

00:25:45.720 And all of this goes

00:25:46.560 to the central question,

00:25:48.100 is it the right of governments

00:25:50.340 to combat misinformation

00:25:52.100 simply because they have determined

00:25:54.340 that that misinformation

00:25:55.660 is creating some sort of nuisance

00:25:59.460 to public safety or public health?

00:26:01.100 I think you're being way too kind

00:26:02.720 that that's why they're doing it.

00:26:04.420 The Biden administration

00:26:05.560 has made it very clear

00:26:07.300 that the people they blame

00:26:08.400 for misinformation

00:26:09.020 are conservatives and Fox News.

00:26:11.820 And the thing is,

00:26:12.680 that's literally untrue.

00:26:14.580 The reason conservatives

00:26:15.560 are not listening to the government

00:26:16.880 and listening to the media

00:26:18.000 about the vaccinations

00:26:18.840 is because the media

00:26:19.640 has lied about them

00:26:20.640 for the past 10 years.

00:26:22.160 It has told them Donald Trump

00:26:24.080 was a Russian spy.

00:26:25.360 It's told them Brett Kavanaugh

00:26:26.260 was a racist.

00:26:27.140 And then, oh, by the way,

00:26:28.220 you should do this.

00:26:29.180 And people think like,

00:26:30.560 why should we trust them?

00:26:31.440 By the way,

00:26:31.680 the reverse thing

00:26:32.160 is on the vaccines.

00:26:33.060 Yeah.

00:26:33.640 I want to point out

00:26:34.740 that even that is a lie

00:26:35.860 because the least people

00:26:36.580 that are likely to get the vaccines

00:26:37.640 are black Americans.

00:26:38.680 So even the lie

00:26:39.500 that it's the conservatives

00:26:40.260 aren't getting the vaccines

00:26:41.280 is that we shouldn't be evacuated.

00:26:42.160 But it's black Americans

00:26:42.640 in red states

00:26:43.580 that blame it on Republicans.

00:26:45.000 And also blue Americans

00:26:47.480 in blue cities.

00:26:48.860 Okay, 40% of all

00:26:50.120 New York City teachers

00:26:50.940 are not vaccinated.

00:26:52.120 Right.

00:26:52.720 The CDC.

00:26:53.740 L.A. County.

00:26:54.940 L.A. County.

00:26:56.300 Last I checked,

00:26:57.140 L.A. County,

00:26:57.700 a minority of the residents

00:26:58.640 of L.A. County

00:26:59.140 are vaccinated at this point.

00:27:00.520 There's not like,

00:27:00.960 there are like five

00:27:01.620 Trump voters left

00:27:02.640 in L.A. County

00:27:03.580 since I took my family

00:27:04.620 and my company

00:27:05.160 out of L.A. County, right?

00:27:06.420 We all left.

00:27:07.320 We were all the Republican voters

00:27:08.280 in L.A. County.

00:27:09.140 The stats,

00:27:10.560 the move that is just

00:27:12.260 mind-boggling to me

00:27:13.520 beyond the VA

00:27:14.600 mandating vaccines.

00:27:16.400 And I think,

00:27:17.320 to be honest,

00:27:17.860 I think that there's a case

00:27:18.540 that if you work

00:27:19.040 in a hospital

00:27:19.580 and you're working

00:27:20.120 with uniquely vulnerable

00:27:21.240 people who can't get

00:27:22.180 the vaccine,

00:27:23.060 the notion that

00:27:23.540 if you work in a nursing home,

00:27:24.480 for example,

00:27:24.920 for a living,

00:27:25.640 that you have to get a vaccine

00:27:26.340 to work in a nursing home,

00:27:28.220 that's a different story.

00:27:29.720 There's no question

00:27:30.320 that certain career choices

00:27:31.480 that you make

00:27:32.120 come with certain...

00:27:33.220 Right.

00:27:33.500 But if you're working

00:27:34.360 for MTA or something

00:27:35.640 in New York,

00:27:36.200 the notion that

00:27:36.640 they can fire you

00:27:37.340 if you don't get a vaccine

00:27:38.040 is absurd.

00:27:38.760 And the one that's

00:27:39.540 utterly mind-boggling,

00:27:41.020 astonishing to me,

00:27:42.300 as the pro-vax guy

00:27:44.160 on the right,

00:27:44.680 right,

00:27:44.760 I love the vaccines,

00:27:45.840 I think the vaccines are great,

00:27:46.680 I got the vaccine,

00:27:47.380 my wife got the vaccine,

00:27:48.080 my parents got the vaccine,

00:27:49.140 we got it literally

00:27:49.760 the first day that we could.

00:27:50.900 I think they're a miracle.

00:27:53.920 I think that if you look

00:27:54.840 at the disconnect

00:27:55.420 between the case rate

00:27:56.380 and the death rate

00:27:57.080 in countries that have

00:27:58.000 wide levels of vaccination,

00:27:59.600 it is unbelievable

00:28:00.380 how they've been disconnected.

00:28:01.940 I mean,

00:28:02.320 like,

00:28:02.760 we are averaging

00:28:03.880 in this country

00:28:04.360 a seven-day average

00:28:05.160 290 deaths a day.

00:28:06.700 We are up at

00:28:07.220 3,000,

00:28:07.520 4,000 deaths a day

00:28:08.700 back in the early part

00:28:10.120 of the year.

00:28:10.560 That is largely because

00:28:11.580 of the vaccinations

00:28:12.340 and as well as

00:28:13.000 the natural immunity

00:28:13.660 that's been produced

00:28:14.340 by widespread

00:28:14.940 of the actual COVID.

00:28:17.840 Okay,

00:28:18.080 as the pro-vax guy,

00:28:19.280 the notion

00:28:19.740 that we are,

00:28:21.340 that we the vaccinated

00:28:22.200 are supposed to mask up

00:28:23.380 is so unrooted

00:28:24.540 in anything remotely

00:28:26.160 approaching the science

00:28:27.160 that it's insane.

00:28:28.140 It makes me want

00:28:29.300 to punch a wall.

00:28:30.420 It is beyond crazy.

00:28:31.800 I don't know why

00:28:32.720 the pro-vax people

00:28:33.440 thought that getting

00:28:34.080 the vaccine

00:28:34.520 was going to give

00:28:34.940 you a freedom back.

00:28:35.540 That was the part

00:28:36.140 that I was just going

00:28:37.180 like,

00:28:37.800 LOL.

00:28:38.480 I was like,

00:28:38.780 everyone really thinks

00:28:39.600 two weeks or so.

00:28:40.860 I mean,

00:28:41.120 just like,

00:28:41.580 how far are we going

00:28:42.160 to go?

00:28:42.320 But the difference

00:28:43.520 is for me

00:28:44.320 and for my parents.

00:28:45.300 So let me say my parents.

00:28:46.260 My parents are 65.

00:28:48.140 I didn't want them

00:28:48.780 walking around

00:28:49.580 unprotected

00:28:50.840 with COVID.

00:28:52.380 Once they got the vaccine,

00:28:53.800 then forget about

00:28:54.640 everything else.

00:28:55.740 Now,

00:28:56.120 I said to them,

00:28:56.960 it is much safer

00:28:57.540 for you to walk around

00:28:58.360 unmasked,

00:28:59.320 which it is.

00:28:59.800 It's much safer

00:29:00.280 for them to walk around

00:29:01.000 unmasked

00:29:01.260 because even if they

00:29:02.040 were to be exposed

00:29:02.620 to COVID,

00:29:03.360 their chances

00:29:03.800 of actually being

00:29:04.560 hospitalized from COVID

00:29:05.480 are vanishingly small.

00:29:06.920 I read the same CDC

00:29:08.240 that's saying the vaccinated

00:29:09.140 need to mask up now

00:29:10.240 reports.

00:29:11.040 There have been 161 million

00:29:12.640 Americans who have been

00:29:13.660 vaccinated,

00:29:14.420 right?

00:29:14.580 Totally vaccinated,

00:29:15.280 160,

00:29:15.760 which by the way

00:29:16.220 is an unbelievable thing.

00:29:17.420 We vaccinated half the country

00:29:18.420 with a non-FDA approved

00:29:20.040 vaccine,

00:29:21.120 right?

00:29:21.660 We're still operating

00:29:22.560 under FDA.

00:29:23.060 This is also mind boggling.

00:29:24.240 We're operating under FDA.

00:29:25.360 It shows the FDA is a

00:29:26.100 pile of garbage.

00:29:27.340 FDA emergency authorization,

00:29:28.700 but you're mandated

00:29:29.360 to get the vaccine

00:29:30.040 before full authorization

00:29:31.060 of the vaccine.

00:29:31.960 Okay,

00:29:32.140 so what are you going to

00:29:32.680 suck it back out of my arm

00:29:33.520 if you don't get

00:29:33.920 the full authorization?

00:29:35.040 So,

00:29:35.220 but put that aside,

00:29:36.500 161 million people

00:29:37.960 in the United States

00:29:38.580 have been fully vaccinated.

00:29:40.320 There have been a grand

00:29:41.300 total,

00:29:41.640 according to the CDC,

00:29:42.560 of less than 6,000

00:29:44.060 hospitalizations among

00:29:45.340 the vaccinated

00:29:45.920 in the United States,

00:29:47.300 which means that your

00:29:48.220 chances of being hospitalized

00:29:49.300 after being vaccinated

00:29:50.320 in the United States

00:29:51.080 are one in 27,223.

00:29:54.000 And based on that,

00:29:55.180 the statistics literally

00:29:56.040 don't matter.

00:29:56.460 Why did you think

00:29:57.300 that if you did everything

00:29:58.500 the government said,

00:29:59.280 you were going to get

00:29:59.740 your freedoms back?

00:30:00.300 That's my question.

00:30:01.020 Well,

00:30:01.080 I'll say this,

00:30:01.640 but here's the thing.

00:30:02.420 It's the government.

00:30:02.700 But there came a point,

00:30:03.960 and this is the thing

00:30:04.880 that's happening.

00:30:05.940 I didn't think that the left

00:30:07.300 was going to ever

00:30:08.140 give the freedoms back.

00:30:09.140 But I did think that

00:30:10.360 more Americans

00:30:11.040 were going to take

00:30:12.100 their freedoms back.

00:30:13.080 And this has been fun.

00:30:13.780 It's been,

00:30:14.420 Jeremy and I have had

00:30:14.980 this kind of conversation

00:30:15.760 many times since the

00:30:16.580 beginning of the pandemic.

00:30:17.280 Jeremy was very anti-everything

00:30:18.580 at the very beginning,

00:30:19.420 but he also thought

00:30:20.540 that everybody was going

00:30:21.780 to be very robust

00:30:22.900 in their defense

00:30:23.520 of their individual freedoms.

00:30:24.940 I was much more like,

00:30:26.620 let's hold off,

00:30:27.160 let's see how this thing goes.

00:30:28.160 I was much more cautious

00:30:28.920 with regard to the pandemic,

00:30:30.100 but I also thought

00:30:30.860 that a lot more people

00:30:31.500 were going to be like me,

00:30:32.700 they were going to be

00:30:33.080 more cautious.

00:30:33.760 But even I am just

00:30:35.000 bewildered and befuddled

00:30:38.960 by the fact that

00:30:39.640 so many Americans

00:30:40.120 are going along

00:30:40.700 with this absolute,

00:30:41.600 utter, unbelievable bullshit.

00:30:43.100 It's unbelievable to me.

00:30:43.900 I'll say to toot my own horn,

00:30:46.140 because with a name

00:30:47.380 like God King,

00:30:48.580 it was Liz Wheeler

00:30:50.740 and I from day one.

00:30:53.160 It was pretty close.

00:30:55.220 A couple of weeks after me,

00:30:56.520 maybe like two months after me,

00:30:58.120 I was day freaking one

00:31:00.600 on my Twitter feed.

00:31:01.520 Like, come on.

00:31:02.560 Oh, I was too.

00:31:03.440 Come on.

00:31:04.180 I mean, it's just...

00:31:05.440 And my whole,

00:31:06.140 my entire point was,

00:31:07.560 what the government takes,

00:31:08.820 it is loathe to ever give back.

00:31:10.460 Of course.

00:31:11.040 But I will say,

00:31:12.160 where I was wrong,

00:31:13.160 I think I was right

00:31:13.860 about the nature of government,

00:31:14.860 I was wrong about the nature

00:31:16.180 of the citizenry.

00:31:17.860 I genuinely thought,

00:31:19.540 you know,

00:31:20.960 people will take this for weeks.

00:31:22.740 And then as the weeks

00:31:23.680 turned into months,

00:31:24.220 I thought,

00:31:24.920 well, people are really afraid.

00:31:25.940 Maybe another month or two

00:31:27.000 people are going to put up

00:31:27.840 with this.

00:31:28.400 But Americans,

00:31:29.180 we're a feisty bunch,

00:31:30.180 we're a rebellious bunch,

00:31:31.360 we're a self-determining bunch.

00:31:33.500 I'm shocked at the level of people.

00:31:34.960 I mean, we're 18 months

00:31:36.360 into this thing or something.

00:31:37.100 But do you know

00:31:37.560 what we're missing?

00:31:38.200 The thing that is missing

00:31:39.180 from this conversation

00:31:40.000 is we're thinking of it,

00:31:41.300 okay,

00:31:41.520 there's a big government

00:31:42.480 pushing this on one hand

00:31:43.560 and the citizens

00:31:44.500 either going along with it

00:31:45.780 or fighting back on the other.

00:31:46.720 But it's not just big government.

00:31:48.520 We've said it ourselves tonight.

00:31:50.160 It's the media.

00:31:50.940 It's not just the media.

00:31:51.840 It's the media.

00:31:52.600 It's big tech.

00:31:53.240 It's the universities.

00:31:54.280 It's the corporations.

00:31:55.740 It's the blob.

00:31:57.220 It's the liberal establishment

00:31:58.420 working in concert,

00:31:59.880 by the way.

00:32:00.240 You've got now

00:32:00.900 the Biden administration

00:32:01.700 admitting for all intents

00:32:03.640 and purposes

00:32:04.040 that big tech is acting

00:32:05.020 as a proxy,

00:32:05.980 an enforcement wing

00:32:06.780 for the government.

00:32:07.740 So it's, you know,

00:32:08.620 just to focus all of our ire

00:32:10.100 on the government.

00:32:10.760 Obviously,

00:32:11.040 I'm extremely irritated at them.

00:32:12.840 But it's the NGOs.

00:32:14.440 It's just every.

00:32:15.380 But it's also,

00:32:16.240 it's not just,

00:32:18.120 I think your point is correct.

00:32:19.260 We can talk about government.

00:32:20.900 We can talk about media.

00:32:21.560 We can talk about all these

00:32:22.180 big institutions.

00:32:23.600 But it's also,

00:32:24.900 there's something deeply sick

00:32:26.200 within the American population.

00:32:29.040 And that's a,

00:32:29.740 that's a,

00:32:30.340 that is a frightening thing

00:32:31.560 to confront.

00:32:32.100 It's very depressing.

00:32:33.480 And there's,

00:32:34.480 there's no quick answer to it.

00:32:35.540 But I think part of it,

00:32:36.400 at a deep level,

00:32:37.360 I think part of what's happened here

00:32:38.660 and why people haven't been robust

00:32:40.840 in the defense of their liberties

00:32:41.840 is that for a lot of Americans,

00:32:44.780 this was a confrontation

00:32:45.740 with mortality

00:32:46.580 that they've just never,

00:32:48.680 I think,

00:32:48.860 I think a lot of Americans

00:32:49.780 had lived,

00:32:50.620 because we live

00:32:51.020 very comfortable lives,

00:32:52.480 more comfortable lives

00:32:53.660 than anyone had ever lived

00:32:55.160 in the history of mankind,

00:32:56.500 like an unprecedented level

00:32:57.640 of comfort and luxury

00:32:58.360 and freedom up until now.

00:33:01.120 And this was this moment

00:33:02.520 where for the first time,

00:33:04.280 lots of people

00:33:04.980 had to confront the fact

00:33:05.860 that they're going to die

00:33:06.620 and that death

00:33:07.900 is lurking around the corner.

00:33:09.160 And I actually think

00:33:10.060 that there are millions of people

00:33:11.160 who had never actually

00:33:12.260 reflected on that fact.

00:33:13.700 And now they cannot,

00:33:14.920 they can't handle

00:33:16.000 the reality.

00:33:18.280 It's a very,

00:33:18.700 every level of risk,

00:33:19.500 they cannot handle it.

00:33:20.000 It's a very peculiar thing,

00:33:21.420 and I've said this

00:33:22.020 on the show before,

00:33:23.120 that essentially

00:33:24.400 after the Second World War,

00:33:26.100 the West defeated

00:33:26.980 war, disease, poverty, and death.

00:33:29.620 We live these lives

00:33:31.020 where it's not that

00:33:31.800 there is no poverty,

00:33:32.720 it's not that there is no disease,

00:33:33.820 it's not that there is no war

00:33:35.360 or that there is no death.

00:33:36.580 It's that the vast majority of us

00:33:38.360 very rarely,

00:33:39.540 if ever,

00:33:39.800 encounter those things.

00:33:40.980 And the result of that

00:33:42.240 is that for the first time

00:33:43.060 in history,

00:33:43.460 if you happen to be

00:33:45.100 one of the people

00:33:45.780 who did encounter

00:33:46.600 one of those things,

00:33:47.580 it becomes very defining for you

00:33:49.280 because it's isolating

00:33:50.360 because there's no one

00:33:51.320 with whom you can share

00:33:51.960 that experience.

00:33:53.000 And so, you know,

00:33:54.080 I mean,

00:33:54.320 we talk about how

00:33:55.120 the forever war,

00:33:56.340 neocons just won

00:33:57.240 a forever war

00:33:57.980 in Afghanistan 20 years.

00:33:59.520 I mean, you know,

00:33:59.820 the British had a war

00:34:00.740 called the 100 Years War.

00:34:03.040 Like, war was forever

00:34:05.420 until the middle

00:34:06.560 of the 20th century.

00:34:07.760 There were fighting seasons

00:34:08.760 and every fighting season,

00:34:10.140 every fighting age man,

00:34:11.420 that's where these words

00:34:12.020 come from,

00:34:12.640 fighting season,

00:34:13.460 fighting age man,

00:34:14.420 every fighting age man

00:34:15.480 during the fighting season

00:34:16.400 would go off to war.

00:34:17.760 When that happened,

00:34:18.500 you saw horrible atrocities.

00:34:20.340 You saw terrible things

00:34:21.240 just like modern combat

00:34:22.540 soldiers do.

00:34:24.360 But when you came home

00:34:25.340 and you were haunted

00:34:25.960 by those things,

00:34:27.600 you weren't,

00:34:28.160 you hadn't been unique

00:34:29.100 out of the common

00:34:30.280 human experience.

00:34:31.300 Your neighbor had gone

00:34:32.280 through those things.

00:34:32.800 Your father had gone

00:34:33.480 through those things.

00:34:34.040 Your grandfather

00:34:34.620 had gone through those things.

00:34:36.840 And so you had some context

00:34:38.840 to understand your experience.

00:34:40.560 Similarly, you know,

00:34:42.020 if you lose a child,

00:34:43.460 in this day and age,

00:34:44.240 obviously,

00:34:45.100 I can't fathom anything

00:34:46.320 harder than losing a child.

00:34:48.240 It's almost unimaginable.

00:34:49.540 And yet,

00:34:50.300 if you lived before

00:34:51.120 the 20th century,

00:34:52.660 every single person

00:34:54.640 lost a child.

00:34:56.300 Every one of them.

00:34:56.980 And so if you lost a child,

00:34:59.060 you weren't unique

00:34:59.740 out of the human experience.

00:35:01.020 Your mother had lost a child

00:35:02.120 and your neighbor

00:35:02.780 had lost a child.

00:35:04.680 So all these things

00:35:06.220 that we experience now,

00:35:07.040 confronting our mortality,

00:35:08.200 PTSD,

00:35:09.420 loss of,

00:35:09.740 we see,

00:35:10.740 and so disease

00:35:11.440 is the other one.

00:35:12.420 Most of us have not

00:35:13.240 really encountered disease.

00:35:14.520 And when we do,

00:35:15.260 we put ribbons on our door

00:35:16.640 and we're basically

00:35:17.460 made heroes

00:35:17.980 because we're the one

00:35:19.880 in anybody

00:35:20.900 who's actually faced,

00:35:21.980 especially if you're

00:35:22.680 below a certain age,

00:35:23.800 the one of anybody

00:35:24.440 who ever faces a disease.

00:35:25.840 You have no context

00:35:26.860 to put that in.

00:35:27.660 Now comes a disease,

00:35:29.780 not in the scheme of things,

00:35:31.600 all that fatal a disease,

00:35:32.680 although,

00:35:33.380 obviously,

00:35:34.200 compared to the,

00:35:35.520 compared to average.

00:35:36.380 The bubonic plague

00:35:37.060 is not particularly fatal.

00:35:38.400 Along comes this disease

00:35:39.400 and it does suddenly

00:35:40.140 affect all of us

00:35:41.120 for the first time again

00:35:42.220 and none of us

00:35:43.200 are prepared for it.

00:35:43.980 We're not prepared

00:35:44.520 for it experientially.

00:35:46.220 We're not prepared

00:35:47.220 for it as a community.

00:35:49.160 We're not prepared

00:35:50.220 for it spiritually,

00:35:51.180 which is, I think,

00:35:51.660 a big part of what

00:35:52.420 you're driving it here.

00:35:53.620 We have absolutely no way

00:35:55.420 to contextualize

00:35:57.040 the thing that we're experiencing.

00:35:57.660 And, you know,

00:35:58.200 when you say disease,

00:35:59.480 it's not just disease,

00:36:00.380 it's pandemics.

00:36:01.420 Just like there was

00:36:02.140 a fighting season,

00:36:03.240 pandemics swept through

00:36:04.320 all the time

00:36:04.940 and you're absolutely right.

00:36:05.580 It was cholera season.

00:36:06.380 The cholera season

00:36:07.140 and the plague.

00:36:08.440 I mean, you forget

00:36:09.240 that Shakespeare wrote

00:36:10.300 Hamlet during the plague.

00:36:11.580 There were always plagues

00:36:12.640 and the plagues,

00:36:13.780 some of those plagues

00:36:14.600 wiped out like a third

00:36:15.700 of the world

00:36:16.380 and it was just

00:36:18.360 what happened to people

00:36:20.280 and that has stopped.

00:36:22.140 It has completely,

00:36:22.900 it's a miracle.

00:36:24.020 It's a wonderful,

00:36:24.640 wonderful thing.

00:36:25.140 But, of course,

00:36:25.940 it has the side effect

00:36:28.900 of making people afraid.

00:36:29.820 I also think,

00:36:30.460 to go back to the media

00:36:31.200 for one second,

00:36:31.860 the media are such

00:36:33.300 damned liars about this.

00:36:34.640 It is unbelievable

00:36:35.400 and they lie with stats

00:36:36.440 and people have no familiarity

00:36:37.460 with how statistics work.

00:36:38.900 And so they'll say things like,

00:36:39.720 wow, the number of deaths

00:36:40.880 is up like 40%.

00:36:42.140 Oh, you mean it went

00:36:42.960 from like 2 to 2.8?

00:36:44.720 Right?

00:36:45.140 That's really what,

00:36:46.220 there was a clip

00:36:47.080 the other night

00:36:47.480 of Allison Camerota

00:36:48.320 and Victor Blackwell

00:36:49.100 trying to browbeat

00:36:50.040 a mayor outside of St. Louis

00:36:51.440 and they were saying to him,

00:36:52.840 you're not forcing

00:36:53.620 your citizens to mask up,

00:36:54.640 you should be forcing

00:36:55.260 your citizens to mask up

00:36:56.280 because people are dying

00:36:57.800 in St. Louis County.

00:36:59.020 So I had the temerity

00:36:59.880 to actually look

00:37:00.340 how many people are dying

00:37:00.920 in St. Louis County.

00:37:01.880 St. Louis County

00:37:02.380 is a county of about

00:37:03.060 996,000 people.

00:37:04.640 Their daily rolling average

00:37:05.540 of deaths from COVID

00:37:06.160 is one.

00:37:07.460 Yeah.

00:37:07.860 One.

00:37:08.360 We're still missing also

00:37:09.420 some of the political aspect here,

00:37:11.320 which is, yeah,

00:37:11.800 the media probably

00:37:12.620 at the lead of it,

00:37:13.640 but when we say

00:37:14.860 it's an overreaction

00:37:15.980 by the ruling class,

00:37:17.860 it's an overreaction

00:37:18.820 from the perspective

00:37:19.620 of our way of life

00:37:20.660 and our rights,

00:37:21.700 it's not an overreaction

00:37:22.600 from them

00:37:23.000 because what this lockdown

00:37:24.080 has resulted in

00:37:25.020 is a massive historic transfer

00:37:27.880 of wealth and power

00:37:29.340 from especially the middle class

00:37:31.240 but lower classes too

00:37:32.280 to a very small handful

00:37:34.400 of extremely wealthy

00:37:35.780 billionaire oligarchs

00:37:37.660 in Silicon Valley

00:37:38.440 or wherever.

00:37:39.460 Who own newspapers,

00:37:40.380 Amazon,

00:37:41.160 and obviously to the government.

00:37:42.240 Yeah, that's why

00:37:42.640 I thought it was so ironic

00:37:44.600 and frustrating

00:37:45.220 when Jeff Bezos

00:37:46.560 goes into space,

00:37:48.160 which is a different topic.

00:37:49.620 I thought that was great,

00:37:50.300 but I think it's great

00:37:50.800 to have billionaires

00:37:51.260 going into space

00:37:52.000 and if they're going

00:37:53.160 to build stuff

00:37:53.760 rather than building

00:37:54.400 like a mansion

00:37:54.920 for their poodle

00:37:55.860 or whatever,

00:37:56.300 why not build spaceships.

00:37:57.820 But anyway,

00:37:58.920 yeah, Jeff Bezos

00:37:59.440 goes into space.

00:37:59.960 You got all these leftists

00:38:01.460 that are complaining

00:38:02.040 about this rich guy

00:38:03.260 and he's so evil

00:38:04.880 and Amazon is evil.

00:38:06.520 Well, not only do they

00:38:07.220 all use Amazon, of course,

00:38:08.480 and like almost every adult

00:38:09.760 in the country

00:38:10.160 is an Amazon Prime member,

00:38:11.400 literally,

00:38:12.360 but Amazon was enriched

00:38:15.340 by these lockdown policies

00:38:16.580 to an extreme degree

00:38:18.440 and a lot of these same people

00:38:19.800 supported those policies,

00:38:20.820 which as you say

00:38:21.420 is this thing

00:38:22.460 that transferred wealth

00:38:23.440 over to these corporations.

00:38:24.000 They are the first people,

00:38:24.720 these corporations

00:38:25.160 are the first one

00:38:26.000 to really hit hard

00:38:26.820 on that fear mechanism.

00:38:27.880 They want to keep you fearful.

00:38:28.780 You go into Whole Foods,

00:38:29.460 Jeff Bezos owns that.

00:38:30.640 You go on to Amazon.com,

00:38:31.760 we're all in this together.

00:38:32.500 All this messaging,

00:38:33.240 we're all in this together.

00:38:34.300 When you look at the corporations

00:38:35.280 that are controlling

00:38:35.920 that messaging

00:38:36.440 who want to keep

00:38:37.180 this pandemic going on forever,

00:38:38.660 they are the ones

00:38:39.160 that are simultaneously

00:38:39.900 lining their pockets

00:38:40.760 and people don't need

00:38:41.980 to think through that.

00:38:42.620 So I always follow money,

00:38:44.220 you know,

00:38:44.380 because to me,

00:38:44.780 there's always going

00:38:45.400 to be a financial incentive

00:38:46.580 and, you know,

00:38:47.700 you see Bill Gates

00:38:48.460 popping up everywhere.

00:38:49.340 I mean, just recently,

00:38:50.460 before it was announced

00:38:51.400 a couple of days ago

00:38:52.120 about the PCR test,

00:38:53.360 CDC issued some,

00:38:54.280 I'm sure you saw

00:38:54.700 that updated guidance

00:38:55.440 about the PCR test

00:38:56.440 and saying they're

00:38:57.340 no longer, you know,

00:38:58.340 efficient.

00:38:58.860 They pulled back.

00:39:00.260 They're not efficient

00:39:01.060 in terms of determining

00:39:02.020 the differences

00:39:02.560 between COVID

00:39:04.200 and other viruses,

00:39:05.240 which the conspiracy theorists

00:39:06.540 said for a very long time,

00:39:07.540 but surprise, surprise,

00:39:08.200 it took them this long.

00:39:08.900 But prior to them

00:39:09.820 making that announcement,

00:39:11.100 we see that Bill Gates

00:39:12.640 is invested in a new,

00:39:14.280 you know, technology

00:39:15.140 to determine COVID.

00:39:16.180 So it's just like,

00:39:16.780 how much do they know?

00:39:17.960 When are they knowing this stuff?

00:39:18.920 When are we getting

00:39:19.360 this information?

00:39:20.400 It seems like we're getting

00:39:21.320 the information sort of

00:39:22.300 at the end of everything.

00:39:23.680 And I don't trust the government,

00:39:24.800 but I do want to say

00:39:25.260 in defense of the American people

00:39:26.280 because I actually don't think

00:39:27.640 the reason that there's,

00:39:28.660 you don't see these uprisings

00:39:29.560 as much,

00:39:29.900 because you look overseas,

00:39:30.660 obviously in Europe,

00:39:31.320 you've got the uprisings

00:39:32.080 happening every day in France.

00:39:33.660 You have the uprisings

00:39:34.260 happening in England,

00:39:34.980 happening in Greece,

00:39:36.000 and people have had

00:39:36.700 enough of lockdowns,

00:39:37.560 but it's also the structure

00:39:38.380 of our government

00:39:38.920 that this allows that,

00:39:39.700 for better or for worse.

00:39:41.800 What I mean by that

00:39:42.420 is state rights, right?

00:39:43.460 There's no reason people

00:39:44.420 in Florida,

00:39:45.000 no reason people in Tennessee

00:39:45.800 to get up and start,

00:39:46.760 because we're not living

00:39:47.640 how people are living

00:39:48.560 in New York.

00:39:49.020 And those people

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00:41:48.400 True.

00:41:49.060 Can I just speak into something

00:41:50.060 that Knowles was talking about,

00:41:51.100 which is this frightening

00:41:51.880 conglomeration.

00:41:52.980 Although this is the second time

00:41:54.200 that you've affirmed something

00:41:55.240 that Knowles is talking about.

00:41:56.000 This is way too many.

00:41:57.200 I'm going to try

00:41:57.740 and make it intelligent.

00:41:58.540 The conglomeration of powers

00:42:01.740 that is now,

00:42:02.560 you know,

00:42:02.820 the corporations,

00:42:03.800 the government,

00:42:04.360 the media,

00:42:05.400 the academy.

00:42:07.040 Imagine for a moment

00:42:08.100 if the churches

00:42:08.840 had stood up against the lockdowns.

00:42:10.540 If they had said

00:42:11.240 what John MacArthur

00:42:11.940 at Grace Church in California said,

00:42:13.640 he said,

00:42:14.080 I'm not here to protect people

00:42:15.360 from the flu.

00:42:16.000 I'm here to protect people

00:42:16.800 from eternal damnation.

00:42:18.360 Because of what you're talking about,

00:42:20.180 because of the way

00:42:21.020 that death

00:42:21.540 and the four horsemen

00:42:22.580 of the apocalypse

00:42:23.240 have sort of been pushed back

00:42:24.720 into the background,

00:42:25.580 we have lost that sense

00:42:27.180 of immediacy

00:42:28.060 that used to be represented

00:42:29.340 by the Magdalene

00:42:30.580 with her skull

00:42:31.260 that your sins

00:42:32.480 are about to be answered for

00:42:33.680 soon.

00:42:35.140 And you're not

00:42:35.820 in the distant future,

00:42:37.140 but soon.

00:42:37.840 And so the churches

00:42:38.440 have lost their faith.

00:42:39.640 I believe the churches

00:42:40.380 have lost their faith

00:42:41.040 actually in the supernatural,

00:42:43.260 in the thing

00:42:43.620 that they're supposed

00:42:44.100 to be preaching.

00:42:45.040 So there is no,

00:42:45.800 there used to be a state

00:42:46.960 and the church.

00:42:48.840 That used to be

00:42:49.460 the two people

00:42:50.500 who argued over

00:42:51.380 who had the power.

00:42:52.420 Now the church

00:42:53.080 is basically folded.

00:42:54.300 I mean,

00:42:54.580 there's very,

00:42:55.120 very few churches,

00:42:55.960 incredibly few churches

00:42:57.040 that said,

00:42:57.580 you don't have the right

00:42:58.800 to shut down churches.

00:43:00.500 Constitutionally,

00:43:00.860 you do not have the right.

00:43:02.100 And because they didn't do that,

00:43:03.380 there's an essentially,

00:43:04.820 why shouldn't,

00:43:06.220 why should we rebel?

00:43:07.280 What side are we on

00:43:08.600 if we rebel?

00:43:09.260 I do want to ask a question

00:43:10.220 just,

00:43:10.540 I'll last it to anybody,

00:43:11.660 but maybe Ben,

00:43:12.400 I actually want to hear you.

00:43:13.080 What is your opinion

00:43:13.640 on people who are naturally immune?

00:43:15.700 I mean,

00:43:15.900 who naturally have the antibodies?

00:43:17.120 Like,

00:43:17.240 where is that in the discussion?

00:43:18.240 It is,

00:43:19.780 again,

00:43:20.320 an insane failure

00:43:21.180 of the public health establishment

00:43:22.240 not to even talk about this.

00:43:23.600 Right.

00:43:23.780 There are some good studies

00:43:24.640 out of Israel

00:43:25.040 that suggest

00:43:25.520 that not only is natural immunity

00:43:26.880 a result of infection,

00:43:27.800 but also that natural immunity

00:43:29.320 may be more durable.

00:43:30.500 Right.

00:43:30.580 That's what the studies

00:43:31.180 from Israel are suggesting.

00:43:32.560 And when we make

00:43:33.380 common sense that too,

00:43:34.660 yes.

00:43:34.900 I mean,

00:43:35.040 when you make these

00:43:35.640 herd immunity,

00:43:36.200 you know,

00:43:37.500 sort of arguments

00:43:38.100 over what percentage

00:43:38.840 of the population

00:43:39.340 is vaccinated,

00:43:39.940 it would be remiss

00:43:40.780 not to actually say

00:43:41.800 how many people,

00:43:43.220 I mean,

00:43:43.520 how do we not even

00:43:44.020 have that stat?

00:43:44.820 How do we not even

00:43:45.460 have the stat

00:43:45.920 as to how many people

00:43:46.680 who are not vaccinated

00:43:47.600 already got COVID

00:43:48.860 and were diagnosed

00:43:49.540 with COVID?

00:43:50.080 What happened

00:43:50.360 to the ticker on CNN

00:43:51.260 that was counting up infections?

00:43:52.460 Basically by now,

00:43:54.500 everybody should have had COVID

00:43:55.700 and yet they're telling us

00:43:56.880 that doesn't matter.

00:43:57.900 Everyone has to get the vaccine.

00:43:58.900 And it's also an easy way

00:44:00.180 for the media

00:44:00.620 to elide one reason

00:44:02.620 why a lot of people

00:44:03.220 are not getting the vaccine.

00:44:04.240 If you talk to people

00:44:05.160 who are not getting the vaccine,

00:44:05.900 there are a bunch of reasons

00:44:06.480 why people aren't getting

00:44:07.160 the vaccine.

00:44:08.360 Some range from

00:44:09.340 the completely unreasonable

00:44:10.280 to the somewhat reasonable.

00:44:11.700 And the somewhat reasonable

00:44:12.320 is I had COVID

00:44:13.300 three months ago

00:44:13.940 and I was diagnosed

00:44:14.900 with COVID

00:44:15.300 and I have a natural immunity

00:44:16.540 now,

00:44:16.840 so I don't need the vaccine.

00:44:18.040 I have not heard

00:44:19.380 any scientists

00:44:20.080 really speak to

00:44:21.160 does the vaccine

00:44:21.920 make things stronger?

00:44:22.100 I had chicken pox

00:44:22.840 when I was a kid.

00:44:23.640 I wouldn't just go get

00:44:24.480 the chicken pox vaccine

00:44:25.500 for no reason.

00:44:25.920 They used to have

00:44:26.340 chicken pox parties

00:44:26.900 when people were kids.

00:44:27.680 That's what we had.

00:44:28.600 But I think you're missing

00:44:29.600 an important aspect of this

00:44:31.300 which is that

00:44:31.820 the vaccine mandates

00:44:33.540 are not about public health.

00:44:35.160 At this point,

00:44:36.200 the vaccine mandate

00:44:36.860 is about making you

00:44:37.680 bend the knee.

00:44:38.400 It's the imposition.

00:44:39.540 Yes.

00:44:40.140 You must,

00:44:41.360 you must acknowledge

00:44:42.760 the power of the ruling class.

00:44:44.700 You must acknowledge

00:44:45.540 the authority of the media,

00:44:46.940 the authority.

00:44:47.380 Oh yeah.

00:44:47.800 This is why they're talking

00:44:48.940 about expanding testing

00:44:50.980 into small children

00:44:52.000 for whether we should

00:44:53.560 use the vaccine or not.

00:44:54.700 Okay, to date,

00:44:55.960 again, I will quote

00:44:56.560 the CDC statistics

00:44:57.380 because we can't get

00:44:58.400 blacklisted for quoting

00:44:59.440 the CDC apparently,

00:45:00.440 the all-knowing,

00:45:01.000 all-powerful CDC.

00:45:01.800 So I'm only going to quote

00:45:02.400 CDC stats tonight.

00:45:03.640 Okay, according to the CDC,

00:45:05.060 grand total number

00:45:05.700 of children under the age

00:45:06.580 of 18 who have died

00:45:07.260 of COVID is 337.

00:45:09.560 A huge number of those kids

00:45:10.740 had pre-existing conditions.

00:45:11.760 With comorbidity, yeah.

00:45:12.240 Right, it had real comorbidity.

00:45:13.520 Leukemia.

00:45:14.160 Right, the number of people

00:45:15.480 in the United States,

00:45:16.780 according to the Census Bureau,

00:45:17.800 under the age of 18

00:45:18.560 is somewhere between

00:45:19.200 73 and 75 million people.

00:45:20.980 Yeah.

00:45:21.280 Okay, the number of people

00:45:22.240 who have died in the same period,

00:45:23.900 in the same age group,

00:45:24.680 from pneumonia,

00:45:25.160 is 810, according to the CDC.

00:45:27.500 So this idea that we have

00:45:28.880 to vaccinate

00:45:29.380 every single three-year-old

00:45:30.580 or that all the three-year-olds

00:45:31.520 have to mask up

00:45:32.160 to protect their teachers,

00:45:33.740 right?

00:45:33.960 If the teacher wants

00:45:34.680 to get the vaccine,

00:45:35.540 get the vaccine.

00:45:36.580 Get the vaccine.

00:45:37.300 40% of New York City teachers

00:45:38.540 are not vaccinated.

00:45:39.900 Okay, the reason they're

00:45:40.340 not vaccinated is because

00:45:41.020 a lot of them don't want

00:45:41.840 to go back to the classroom,

00:45:42.700 frankly, and they have

00:45:43.300 no intention.

00:45:43.840 And I think also there's

00:45:43.980 the gaslighting

00:45:44.600 because we've expanded

00:45:45.240 the definition of what

00:45:45.940 it means to be anti-vax.

00:45:46.920 It used to mean that

00:45:47.500 you just don't believe

00:45:48.140 in vaccines and don't

00:45:48.880 want to touch vaccines.

00:45:49.720 You think they're all bad,

00:45:50.540 right?

00:45:50.840 And now it's included

00:45:51.800 people who have gotten

00:45:53.100 the vaccine,

00:45:54.000 had a bad reaction

00:45:54.700 and spoke about it.

00:45:55.360 Eric Clapton is now

00:45:56.220 in the anti-vaccine category

00:45:57.560 going, okay, that's weird.

00:45:58.720 It also includes people

00:45:59.340 that are just being honest

00:46:00.280 with you about what's going on.

00:46:01.580 And there's been

00:46:02.040 this tremendous gaslighting.

00:46:03.040 This is where I really

00:46:04.160 have a problem,

00:46:04.820 and I agree with you

00:46:05.440 that this is not actually

00:46:06.100 about public health.

00:46:07.100 People have listened

00:46:07.760 to exactly what the government

00:46:08.800 told them to do.

00:46:09.580 They have locked down

00:46:10.240 their businesses.

00:46:10.980 They have stayed at home.

00:46:11.940 They got in line.

00:46:12.640 They got the vaccine.

00:46:13.780 And there are people

00:46:14.240 that have talked about

00:46:15.100 the reactions afterwards.

00:46:16.580 Myocarditis obviously

00:46:17.260 is now listed.

00:46:18.340 But that was after

00:46:18.920 we knew about the myocarditis.

00:46:20.280 We were just listening

00:46:20.920 to people telling their stories

00:46:22.460 who were getting banned

00:46:23.180 and censored.

00:46:24.160 Moms who did the right thing

00:46:25.400 took their kids to the doctor

00:46:26.460 and said,

00:46:27.080 since then my kid

00:46:27.620 has had heart inflammation.

00:46:28.560 I knew four months

00:46:29.640 before the CDC

00:46:30.320 decided to acknowledge it.

00:46:31.800 So that is what makes people

00:46:33.240 even more uncomfortable

00:46:34.120 with what's going on.

00:46:34.760 It's that you are purposefully

00:46:36.340 censoring some people

00:46:38.160 to be quiet and hushing them up

00:46:39.300 rather than having

00:46:39.840 an honest discussion.

00:46:40.620 If they were honest and said,

00:46:41.800 like we are with everything,

00:46:42.680 by the way,

00:46:42.920 no matter we could put

00:46:43.800 Tylenol on this table,

00:46:44.840 somebody could have

00:46:45.240 a bad reaction.

00:46:46.100 Tylenol is generally

00:46:46.800 a good drug, you know?

00:46:47.900 There's a list of warnings

00:46:48.500 at the end of every drug commercial.

00:46:49.580 Every drug, right?

00:46:50.460 There's going to be a few people

00:46:51.280 who are not going to have

00:46:51.780 a good reaction to Tylenol,

00:46:52.600 people who are allergic to

00:46:53.300 everything you take.

00:46:54.460 If you need an apple,

00:46:55.140 people are going to be

00:46:55.540 allergic to it, right?

00:46:56.500 Apples are good to eat.

00:46:57.460 I'm not going to say

00:46:57.880 don't eat an apple.

00:46:58.700 But they're pretending

00:46:59.460 that this vaccine,

00:47:00.700 it is impossible.

00:47:01.740 You are crazy.

00:47:02.760 And this mass gaslighting

00:47:03.840 is actually turning people

00:47:04.920 who are traditionally

00:47:05.600 very pro-vax

00:47:07.040 into believing

00:47:08.180 that there is some

00:47:09.120 evil conspiracy here.

00:47:10.320 The idea that you have,

00:47:11.560 this whole idea

00:47:12.160 that you have to have

00:47:12.760 one opinion about

00:47:13.940 what's your opinion

00:47:14.740 on vaccines?

00:47:15.680 Are you pro or anti?

00:47:17.300 I've always found that

00:47:17.980 to be absurd,

00:47:18.480 even before COVID,

00:47:19.800 when people would ask you,

00:47:20.520 are you pro or anti-vaccine?

00:47:22.360 I mean, doesn't it,

00:47:23.180 it depends on the vaccine,

00:47:25.060 it depends on the situation,

00:47:25.980 it depends on who

00:47:26.320 we're talking about,

00:47:27.240 it depends on a lot of things.

00:47:28.360 It should be the same thing

00:47:29.260 with the COVID vaccine.

00:47:30.780 And I, you know,

00:47:31.280 Rand Paul is one

00:47:32.040 who I believe

00:47:32.420 didn't get the vaccine

00:47:33.080 because he had prior infection.

00:47:34.720 And that seems like

00:47:35.480 you don't have to have

00:47:36.140 any ideological,

00:47:38.140 philosophical opinion

00:47:39.000 about vaccines

00:47:39.700 to just make

00:47:40.340 that reasonable judgment.

00:47:41.640 This is just one of the,

00:47:42.740 to your points,

00:47:43.260 one of the several things

00:47:45.200 about COVID

00:47:45.880 that we just don't talk about.

00:47:46.700 It all flows from this

00:47:48.200 crazy term,

00:47:49.280 settled science.

00:47:50.180 Well, this is the...

00:47:51.380 Nonsense.

00:47:51.940 Which doesn't exist.

00:47:53.060 In my book,

00:47:53.520 The Authoritarian Moment,

00:47:54.240 I talk about the conflation

00:47:55.240 of the science,

00:47:57.020 TM trademark,

00:47:58.100 you know,

00:47:58.200 the science as an institution

00:47:59.280 with the actual

00:48:00.220 scientific process.

00:48:01.240 And one of the things

00:48:01.900 that you'll notice,

00:48:02.360 and this is really

00:48:02.960 driving me up a wall,

00:48:03.560 if you, like me,

00:48:04.900 would like to see more people

00:48:05.880 who are in vulnerable positions

00:48:07.160 get vaccinated, right?

00:48:08.160 I say this all the time.

00:48:09.780 I'd like to see,

00:48:10.360 like there was a guy

00:48:10.820 I was talking with today,

00:48:11.500 63 years old,

00:48:12.560 didn't get the vaccine.

00:48:13.760 I said to him,

00:48:14.420 you probably should.

00:48:15.300 He said,

00:48:15.480 well, I'm waiting a year

00:48:16.000 to see what happens.

00:48:16.640 I said,

00:48:16.840 do you have like

00:48:17.280 a rationale for that?

00:48:18.160 Like, you really should

00:48:19.400 at the very least

00:48:20.120 go talk to your doctor

00:48:20.840 about getting the vaccine

00:48:21.980 and then get the vaccine.

00:48:23.120 You're in the vulnerable category.

00:48:26.100 The way that you convince people

00:48:27.560 if you actually want

00:48:28.320 to take them seriously

00:48:29.100 is you say,

00:48:30.340 okay,

00:48:30.700 here are the statistics

00:48:31.500 that we know

00:48:31.960 about adverse reactions

00:48:32.900 to the vaccine.

00:48:33.780 Here are the statistics

00:48:34.400 we know about

00:48:34.900 adverse reactions to COVID.

00:48:36.320 Your chances of getting

00:48:37.180 an adverse reaction

00:48:37.960 from COVID

00:48:38.380 are this percentage higher

00:48:39.720 than your chances

00:48:40.500 of getting an adverse reaction

00:48:41.560 from the vaccines, right?

00:48:42.520 That is the way

00:48:43.000 that you would convince somebody.

00:48:44.140 But no one in the media

00:48:45.200 wants to do that.

00:48:46.220 And the reason

00:48:46.540 they don't want to do that

00:48:47.100 is because they don't

00:48:47.880 actually care

00:48:48.520 whether you get vaccinated.

00:48:49.580 They care about yelling at you.

00:48:50.760 They care about making them...

00:48:51.420 You do it like Tucker.

00:48:52.380 You then get thrown

00:48:53.060 and castigated

00:48:53.780 and called a conspiracy theorist

00:48:55.240 and anti-vax

00:48:55.740 and you read actual VAERS data.

00:48:57.020 And spied on.

00:48:57.520 And they're making

00:48:59.980 the frogs gay.

00:49:00.940 By the way,

00:49:01.620 he was right about that.

00:49:03.120 You know,

00:49:03.520 the historical component

00:49:05.720 of this too

00:49:06.380 is something that I think

00:49:07.580 is probably the most

00:49:08.260 scary aspect of it

00:49:09.660 because what we're talking about

00:49:12.060 is big data,

00:49:13.100 big science,

00:49:13.820 big information.

00:49:14.880 And in the 19th century,

00:49:16.020 we had the Industrial Revolution.

00:49:17.480 In the 20th century,

00:49:18.320 we had the Managerial Revolution.

00:49:19.860 And in the 21st century,

00:49:20.920 what if we had

00:49:21.360 the Information Revolution?

00:49:23.200 Everything is becoming smart.

00:49:24.620 Your refrigerator is smart.

00:49:25.860 Everyone's spying on you.

00:49:26.840 You just read an ad

00:49:27.460 about how everyone's

00:49:28.100 spying on you.

00:49:29.020 And there's a great new book out,

00:49:30.800 The Age of Surveillance Capitalism.

00:49:32.240 I'm not sure if you guys

00:49:33.460 have read it yet,

00:49:34.260 by Shoshana Zuboff.

00:49:35.800 Really good book

00:49:36.480 about how these big data companies

00:49:38.980 working with,

00:49:40.360 often working with the government,

00:49:42.100 are gaining a huge amount of power

00:49:44.200 and a huge amount of influence.

00:49:45.380 So while we're talking

00:49:46.280 about the blob

00:49:47.000 and the Fauci's

00:49:48.700 and all of these people

00:49:49.840 taking a lot of political control

00:49:51.960 and money during this,

00:49:52.840 there's a major historical shift

00:49:54.520 in the way that the economy works.

00:49:56.120 And so I think

00:49:56.620 we're going to continue

00:49:57.800 to idolize science and data.

00:50:00.380 And the people

00:50:00.760 who have benefited most

00:50:01.660 from this lockdown

00:50:02.240 in terms of power and money

00:50:03.260 are the people

00:50:03.960 who are monetizing.

00:50:05.080 You know, listen,

00:50:05.680 I think that we all have a great,

00:50:07.240 science remains,

00:50:08.380 by pulling data,

00:50:08.980 the one institution

00:50:09.780 in American life

00:50:10.360 that people trust.

00:50:11.060 Why?

00:50:11.320 Well, because science

00:50:11.820 has produced unbelievable goods

00:50:13.280 for the human race

00:50:14.020 over the course

00:50:14.440 of the last couple of centuries.

00:50:15.880 Undeniable.

00:50:16.640 Undeniable.

00:50:17.400 Right?

00:50:17.860 Uncontroversial human goods.

00:50:19.180 But because it is

00:50:20.620 such a powerful institution,

00:50:21.540 because it has so much trust,

00:50:22.880 the left has now infused

00:50:23.780 these institutions

00:50:24.480 with its own politics

00:50:25.340 and skewed away

00:50:26.400 from the science.

00:50:27.180 They've decided

00:50:27.620 that science is actually

00:50:29.040 just a tool to be wielded

00:50:30.140 like everything else

00:50:30.940 in American society.

00:50:32.040 And therefore,

00:50:32.680 if we have to ignore the stats

00:50:33.820 and if we won't,

00:50:34.700 we won't even tell you the stats,

00:50:36.180 even if it makes the case

00:50:36.920 for what we're talking about.

00:50:37.860 Because it's more important

00:50:38.880 that we stake a position here,

00:50:40.480 a moral position.

00:50:41.620 And it's important

00:50:42.340 that you not take

00:50:43.020 that moral position.

00:50:43.860 In fact,

00:50:44.300 we will avoid making

00:50:45.260 a convincing case to you.

00:50:46.620 Instead,

00:50:47.040 we will say that you are

00:50:47.820 an idiot denier

00:50:49.260 who's only doing this

00:50:49.960 because you watched

00:50:50.340 Tucker Carlson.

00:50:51.000 And ignorant

00:50:51.720 because you don't have

00:50:52.740 the data that they have.

00:50:53.940 That you're refusing to give us.

00:50:55.160 Did you see Jen Psaki

00:50:56.360 yesterday being asked

00:50:57.620 about the data

00:50:58.160 to support the mask mandate

00:51:00.620 on the vaccinated?

00:51:01.820 She was asked about it.

00:51:02.700 She didn't cite a single stat.

00:51:03.960 She didn't cite a single fact.

00:51:05.140 She just said,

00:51:05.560 the scientific institutions

00:51:06.620 tell us that this is

00:51:07.500 what's important.

00:51:08.300 Well, I'm sorry.

00:51:08.960 I wasn't aware

00:51:09.940 that there was a person

00:51:10.760 called the scientific institutions

00:51:12.040 who was touched

00:51:12.540 by the hand of God.

00:51:13.520 But this is exactly

00:51:14.100 how Fauci talks too.

00:51:15.200 If you question Fauci,

00:51:16.280 you're questioning the science.

00:51:17.540 Well, then was I questioning

00:51:18.580 the science when Fauci

00:51:19.300 was pro or anti-mask?

00:51:20.240 Was I questioning the science

00:51:21.020 when Fauci was pro

00:51:22.360 or anti-school real?

00:51:23.140 This is my problem

00:51:24.420 with science.

00:51:24.880 And of course,

00:51:25.280 science, unbelievable,

00:51:26.960 created the modernity

00:51:28.020 and all the miracles

00:51:29.780 that we have.

00:51:31.540 We're created utilizing

00:51:33.040 the scientific method.

00:51:34.340 My problem with people

00:51:36.100 putting trust in science,

00:51:37.340 like, I don't like

00:51:38.300 young earth creationism.

00:51:39.500 That's a thing in,

00:51:40.800 particularly in

00:51:41.380 evangelical Christianity,

00:51:43.460 is where you look

00:51:44.100 for scientific evidence

00:51:45.380 that the earth

00:51:46.140 is precisely this age

00:51:47.460 or that age.

00:51:48.240 6,000 or 5,000

00:51:49.940 or 18,000.

00:51:50.540 I mean,

00:51:50.620 there's a few different numbers,

00:51:51.260 but, you know,

00:51:52.120 and they'll measure

00:51:53.060 the pressure from oil wells

00:51:55.300 and they're always

00:51:56.220 coming to you and saying,

00:51:57.120 well, now we've got proof

00:51:58.200 of something that we

00:51:59.280 believed going in.

00:52:00.440 And I always say,

00:52:01.180 well, here's the problem

00:52:02.180 with doing that.

00:52:02.640 The problem with doing that

00:52:03.380 is the science will change.

00:52:06.480 And so if you have built

00:52:07.600 your justification

00:52:09.300 for what you believe

00:52:10.360 in faith

00:52:10.820 on something that you believe

00:52:12.500 has been proven by science,

00:52:14.200 what's going to happen

00:52:15.520 to your faith

00:52:15.940 when the science changes?

00:52:17.260 It will change.

00:52:18.360 The one thing

00:52:19.020 that will absolutely happen

00:52:20.300 every single time

00:52:21.380 is the science will change.

00:52:22.600 That's not a flaw in science.

00:52:24.980 That's the good thing

00:52:25.760 about science.

00:52:26.340 That's the honest part

00:52:27.020 of science, right?

00:52:27.560 You're saying that

00:52:28.060 there should always be a debate.

00:52:29.320 And if there was more

00:52:29.840 of a debate

00:52:30.280 and people talking

00:52:30.920 about what's going on,

00:52:32.180 you know,

00:52:32.380 different reactions

00:52:32.960 that they're having,

00:52:33.500 then I would be much

00:52:34.280 more inclined to say,

00:52:35.000 you know what,

00:52:35.440 okay, at least I know

00:52:36.300 the discussion is honest

00:52:37.200 and I'm more inclined

00:52:37.960 to go and trust this vaccine

00:52:39.020 with the knowledge

00:52:39.500 that I have.

00:52:40.200 But there is no debate.

00:52:41.280 And again,

00:52:42.000 in my personal opinion,

00:52:43.360 I think that what we are

00:52:45.080 going to see

00:52:45.500 because of the dishonesty,

00:52:46.640 because of the changing,

00:52:47.680 because of the censorship,

00:52:48.960 censoring doctors

00:52:49.800 off of YouTube

00:52:50.480 who are talking about

00:52:51.180 what they're seeing

00:52:51.820 in the emergency room,

00:52:52.900 saying only doctor

00:52:53.800 that can speak

00:52:54.240 is Dr. Fauci.

00:52:55.340 I think it's actually

00:52:56.260 going to create

00:52:56.880 an underbelly of people

00:52:58.020 that are explicitly anti-vax

00:52:59.580 because they're going

00:53:00.120 to now correlate

00:53:00.860 this experience

00:53:02.000 with every vaccine

00:53:03.000 under the sun.

00:53:03.460 And they're going to think,

00:53:04.000 okay, well,

00:53:04.580 if they lied to me

00:53:05.140 about this one,

00:53:05.560 I know that they lied.

00:53:06.240 If they gaslit me

00:53:07.040 about my own reaction to this

00:53:08.260 and they won't even acknowledge

00:53:09.080 that this happened to me,

00:53:10.300 then what about

00:53:10.700 all these other vaccines?

00:53:11.580 What am I doing?

00:53:12.220 And you're going to start

00:53:12.960 that process of saying,

00:53:14.240 okay, I don't trust

00:53:15.140 any of this.

00:53:16.160 And for one big discussion

00:53:17.640 that every woman is having,

00:53:18.660 if anybody's paying attention

00:53:19.420 and they're just now

00:53:20.480 starting to look into it,

00:53:21.660 is that women are having,

00:53:22.900 menstruation is being

00:53:23.880 affected by this,

00:53:24.780 whether it's coming later,

00:53:26.480 starting earlier.

00:53:27.380 I'd love to have a discussion

00:53:28.380 with all you boys,

00:53:29.020 but this is a ton.

00:53:30.240 Mine has been unaffected.

00:53:32.160 Tons of women

00:53:32.800 have been talking about this,

00:53:33.900 right?

00:53:34.160 Just listening to this.

00:53:34.780 And this is a very big deal

00:53:35.840 for women that are

00:53:36.280 in their baby-making years,

00:53:37.480 like for me.

00:53:38.100 This is the most important

00:53:39.540 discussion to be having.

00:53:40.620 I want to hear doctors

00:53:41.380 talking about this,

00:53:42.020 debating this,

00:53:42.320 if you want to have children.

00:53:42.860 And by the way,

00:53:43.780 it could be because,

00:53:44.640 oh, that's because of

00:53:45.380 blah, blah, blah.

00:53:46.100 That happened.

00:53:46.660 There's tons of reasons

00:53:47.340 that are the signs.

00:53:47.640 By the way, the CDC website

00:53:48.360 openly admits that they have

00:53:49.460 no data with regard to

00:53:50.620 how this vaccine

00:53:51.480 affects pregnant women.

00:53:52.280 Exactly.

00:53:52.900 And so rather than

00:53:53.700 having a discussion,

00:53:54.360 they're saying,

00:53:54.620 women, you have to get

00:53:55.360 this vaccine.

00:53:56.120 That is so horrible

00:53:57.700 to say to a woman

00:53:58.400 that we don't have the data,

00:53:59.780 we haven't looked into it,

00:54:01.180 and we're not willing

00:54:01.900 to have a discussion with you,

00:54:02.980 but you damn well

00:54:03.720 better get it.

00:54:03.980 That's how you know

00:54:04.900 that someone is not.

00:54:08.140 Someone is pro-science

00:54:09.940 if they're open

00:54:11.320 to questions.

00:54:11.840 If someone doesn't want

00:54:12.560 any questions,

00:54:13.160 then you know that

00:54:13.600 this is not a scientific person.

00:54:16.360 But even the phrase

00:54:17.320 pro-science and anti-science,

00:54:19.020 the way that we're talking,

00:54:19.700 it's hard not to lapse into it,

00:54:21.180 but the way we're talking about it

00:54:23.280 doesn't actually even make sense

00:54:24.820 because we have to keep reminding

00:54:26.200 ourselves and everyone else

00:54:28.100 that science is just a process

00:54:29.840 by which we come to understand

00:54:32.480 the physical world.

00:54:33.920 And so that's all it is.

00:54:35.820 To say you're anti-science

00:54:36.740 is like saying you're anti-math,

00:54:38.280 I don't know, walking or something.

00:54:39.380 It's like you're going to,

00:54:40.720 it's a process of going

00:54:41.620 to a certain place.

00:54:43.640 So we talk about it

00:54:44.960 like it's an institution,

00:54:45.900 we talk about it

00:54:46.420 like it's a person,

00:54:47.980 we talk about it

00:54:48.820 as if it's this idea

00:54:49.780 that you could be against

00:54:50.640 or for.

00:54:51.200 Instead of a tool,

00:54:52.140 a tool for understanding.

00:54:52.940 It's a tool,

00:54:53.180 that's all it is,

00:54:53.600 it's a process.

00:54:54.260 As I was coming in here,

00:54:55.340 as I was coming into the shop,

00:54:56.380 I was thinking,

00:54:56.840 this is in some strange way

00:54:58.520 an act of insanity,

00:55:00.080 not just because I'm here

00:55:01.040 with Walsh,

00:55:01.520 but here we,

00:55:03.060 you know,

00:55:03.400 Ben,

00:55:04.540 we'll talk about him

00:55:05.460 as if he's not here

00:55:06.900 for a moment.

00:55:07.580 He's brought out a book,

00:55:08.780 he runs a major media company,

00:55:11.620 despite the way he looks,

00:55:12.740 he's actually a fairly

00:55:13.400 intelligent fellow,

00:55:14.220 he's written about

00:55:15.280 a really interesting thing.

00:55:16.860 The only place

00:55:17.500 where you're going

00:55:18.060 to be interviewed

00:55:18.600 is places like this.

00:55:20.180 And why,

00:55:21.580 why doesn't ABC think,

00:55:24.220 you know,

00:55:24.440 there's a guy I disagree with,

00:55:25.640 but that's an interesting

00:55:26.320 point of view,

00:55:26.820 let's bring him on

00:55:27.420 and discuss what it is

00:55:28.540 he sees.

00:55:28.960 The fact that that

00:55:30.340 doesn't happen is insane.

00:55:32.260 It's insane.

00:55:32.880 In fact,

00:55:33.260 ABC finds Republicans

00:55:34.920 to have on,

00:55:36.040 they find the ones

00:55:36.800 with whom they agreed

00:55:37.620 the most.

00:55:38.940 What Republican disagrees

00:55:40.780 with me the least?

00:55:41.560 I'd be curious

00:55:42.060 what he thinks about

00:55:42.840 the court jester.

00:55:44.500 Those are the only

00:55:45.400 two possible options.

00:55:46.340 But we saw this last week

00:55:47.140 when NPR literally

00:55:48.100 put out an article

00:55:48.740 about Daily Wire

00:55:49.700 in which they admitted

00:55:50.840 that we don't tell lies

00:55:51.780 on the site,

00:55:52.460 that we don't engage

00:55:52.980 in conspiracy theories

00:55:53.760 on the site,

00:55:54.480 that we were critical

00:55:55.520 of President Trump

00:55:56.180 from time to time,

00:55:57.100 that we openly acknowledge

00:55:58.720 that we are

00:55:59.160 a conservative website.

00:56:00.440 And then they were like,

00:56:01.240 also they have traffic

00:56:02.140 and that really has to stop.

00:56:03.640 It was like so successful.

00:56:05.060 And my favorite phrase

00:56:06.640 was the professor

00:56:07.600 who said,

00:56:08.280 well, you know,

00:56:08.640 any information

00:56:09.240 stripped of context

00:56:10.020 can be misinformation.

00:56:11.620 Whoa, okay.

00:56:13.920 Amazing.

00:56:14.500 Well, you might want

00:56:15.340 to look at the media then.

00:56:16.320 Like from time to time,

00:56:17.080 you might want to actually

00:56:17.760 look at the media.

00:56:18.920 It is an amazing thing

00:56:20.420 and I think it does come down

00:56:21.640 to the left's deep

00:56:22.520 and abiding need

00:56:23.160 to demonize anybody

00:56:23.920 who they disagree with.

00:56:24.880 They don't want to convince.

00:56:26.060 They just want to destroy.

00:56:27.760 Earlier this week,

00:56:28.720 I put out a tweet

00:56:29.680 that was sort of

00:56:30.380 a fun thought experiment

00:56:31.220 where I said,

00:56:31.940 you know,

00:56:32.660 if you want to,

00:56:33.340 everybody keeps talking

00:56:33.940 about polarization in society,

00:56:35.140 how we all hate each other

00:56:35.900 and all this.

00:56:36.280 Okay, well,

00:56:36.500 if you want to stop that,

00:56:37.480 here's an easy idea.

00:56:39.080 Just right now,

00:56:40.160 all of us,

00:56:40.940 pick somebody who didn't vote

00:56:41.720 like you did in the last election,

00:56:43.540 tweet at them,

00:56:44.380 famous person,

00:56:45.140 say,

00:56:45.460 I like this person.

00:56:46.520 I think what they have to say

00:56:47.240 is interesting

00:56:47.600 even though we disagree.

00:56:48.840 Right?

00:56:49.080 Very, very easy.

00:56:50.160 Right?

00:56:50.360 Super easy.

00:56:51.220 All of us can list

00:56:52.280 a dozen people

00:56:53.020 off the top of our head

00:56:53.940 who we disagree with,

00:56:55.000 but we still,

00:56:55.700 you know,

00:56:55.860 talk to from time to time

00:56:56.860 and they're nice people.

00:56:57.800 Yeah.

00:56:58.780 Well,

00:56:59.060 I said nice.

00:56:59.860 And the only people,

00:57:03.260 there were a bunch of people

00:57:03.760 who did it.

00:57:04.820 The only people who did it

00:57:05.460 were people on the right.

00:57:06.400 Yeah.

00:57:06.540 There was not a single

00:57:07.060 blue check on the left

00:57:07.680 who did it.

00:57:07.980 In fact,

00:57:08.200 Media Matters started

00:57:08.780 tweeting back at me

00:57:09.500 my, you know,

00:57:10.140 bad old tweets

00:57:10.720 to demonstrate again

00:57:11.480 that it couldn't be me,

00:57:12.420 right?

00:57:12.640 It could never be,

00:57:13.540 but it couldn't be anybody.

00:57:14.660 That's the whole point.

00:57:15.420 Yeah.

00:57:15.700 All of this has become

00:57:16.900 a religious totem for them.

00:57:18.140 The masking is now

00:57:18.800 a religious totem.

00:57:19.540 If you don't wear the mask,

00:57:20.600 you could see how frustrated

00:57:21.660 people were when the mask mandate

00:57:22.740 ended from the CDC.

00:57:24.360 There were a bunch of people

00:57:24.880 in New York who were like,

00:57:25.460 well,

00:57:25.540 I'm still wearing my mask.

00:57:26.420 I don't see why the CDC

00:57:27.320 should be able to say that.

00:57:27.660 AOC notoriously.

00:57:28.680 I'm just not comfortable with that.

00:57:29.600 Well, do you know,

00:57:29.840 AOC made a point exactly

00:57:31.500 on what you're saying, Ben.

00:57:32.440 She made it just this week.

00:57:33.640 She said,

00:57:34.760 it was unwittingly honest.

00:57:36.440 She said,

00:57:36.840 it's not enough to fact check

00:57:38.220 Republicans' subtext

00:57:39.880 because we can't do that

00:57:41.280 because they're generally

00:57:42.120 not lying.

00:57:43.180 She said,

00:57:43.780 we need to attack

00:57:44.680 their core logic.

00:57:47.080 And I don't think

00:57:47.780 she intended to say this,

00:57:48.880 but what she's saying

00:57:49.300 is we need to attack logic.

00:57:50.680 Right.

00:57:50.920 We can't,

00:57:51.340 and they do that.

00:57:53.080 They say that

00:57:53.580 logical argumentation,

00:57:54.880 objective reality,

00:57:55.880 reason,

00:57:56.300 those are all dog whistles

00:57:57.540 of white supremacy

00:57:58.300 and we all need to just

00:57:59.680 club each other on the head

00:58:00.500 with our interest.

00:58:00.860 And this kind of gets into

00:58:01.640 what we brought up

00:58:02.640 before we started rolling today,

00:58:03.820 but like the PayPal thing

00:58:04.780 of like everything that they said

00:58:06.220 that they're going to start

00:58:06.880 conquering on PayPal

00:58:07.780 with any money to

00:58:08.820 anti-government.

00:58:10.080 That means,

00:58:10.600 does that mean if I make

00:58:11.180 a statement against Biden,

00:58:12.220 like you could just say,

00:58:13.040 am I allowed to have

00:58:13.520 a PayPal account?

00:58:14.180 Like what are they actually

00:58:15.060 saying when you say

00:58:15.900 misinformation,

00:58:17.900 anti-government rhetoric,

00:58:19.380 all of this stuff,

00:58:20.260 it's so,

00:58:21.340 I'm sure that they mean

00:58:22.380 that you can't use PayPal

00:58:23.520 to give money

00:58:24.360 to Kamala Harris

00:58:25.540 after she said

00:58:26.180 that she wouldn't take

00:58:26.860 a vaccine that was created

00:58:27.900 under Donald Trump.

00:58:29.080 You know exactly

00:58:30.040 where this is headed,

00:58:30.980 you know,

00:58:31.320 and it's,

00:58:31.900 it also goes to,

00:58:32.940 and it creates the reactivity

00:58:34.340 from the right.

00:58:35.420 So the right looks at the left

00:58:36.200 and we say,

00:58:36.600 we know your game

00:58:37.640 and we know what you're

00:58:38.640 trying to do here.

00:58:39.680 And so that's why

00:58:40.580 it's so funny to see

00:58:41.400 sort of the naivete

00:58:42.140 of sort of Liz Cheney

00:58:43.180 and Adam Kinzinger

00:58:43.900 on the January 6th commission.

00:58:45.020 We're like,

00:58:45.160 well,

00:58:45.340 we have to uncover the facts

00:58:46.460 or this is just

00:58:46.900 a fact-finding mission.

00:58:47.880 And then you have Adam Schiff

00:58:51.340 6th and you say to yourself,

00:58:52.440 well,

00:58:53.000 what is the actual purpose here?

00:58:54.220 Like we all know

00:58:54.740 what the actual purpose here is.

00:58:55.780 There's not a single

00:58:56.360 human being in America

00:58:57.300 who believes a single new fact

00:58:58.360 is going to be uncovered

00:58:59.020 by the January 6th commission,

00:59:00.080 right?

00:59:00.200 No one believes that.

00:59:01.400 So what is this really about?

00:59:02.460 By the way,

00:59:02.700 they're going to figure out

00:59:03.300 who left that bomb

00:59:03.940 outside the RNC and the DNC.

00:59:05.540 Do you know what Kinzinger said too?

00:59:07.600 I mean,

00:59:07.820 I'll go with the charitable read

00:59:09.480 that it was naivete

00:59:10.220 on their part.

00:59:11.460 But Kinzinger,

00:59:12.440 when people brought up,

00:59:13.540 hey, you know, pal,

00:59:14.340 you didn't,

00:59:14.920 this guy is a liberal Republican.

00:59:16.720 He's probably not going to be

00:59:17.400 in Congress for real long.

00:59:18.340 And they said,

00:59:19.400 you know,

00:59:19.820 you didn't raise any issues

00:59:20.880 about a commission

00:59:21.720 to investigate the BLM riots

00:59:23.360 and who was involved in that,

00:59:24.600 namely the sitting vice president.

00:59:26.260 And he said,

00:59:27.960 well,

00:59:28.320 that's different.

00:59:29.440 BLM and Antifa,

00:59:30.280 they committed crimes.

00:59:31.740 But what happened at the Capitol,

00:59:32.860 that was an attack

00:59:33.480 on the rule of law

00:59:34.260 because, you know,

00:59:34.880 the horn guy came in.

00:59:35.780 And I don't mean to downplay.

00:59:37.080 They really made a big mess

00:59:38.200 of things at the Capitol.

00:59:40.220 BLM torched police stations

00:59:41.900 and a federal courthouse.

00:59:43.720 And people died.

00:59:44.300 And people died.

00:59:45.160 So you can burn

00:59:46.160 a federal courthouse.

00:59:47.060 That's not an attack

00:59:48.280 on the rule of law.

00:59:49.060 But you steal Nancy Pelosi's lectern

00:59:50.760 and that's the worst attack.

00:59:51.200 And nobody's been charged,

00:59:52.440 by the way,

00:59:53.280 with insurrection,

00:59:54.540 treason.

00:59:55.140 No one has been charged

00:59:55.840 with that.

00:59:56.200 Right.

00:59:56.220 Nothing,

00:59:56.700 no seditious conspiracy.

00:59:58.580 Right.

00:59:58.720 They've been charged

00:59:59.180 with trespassing,

01:00:00.340 right,

01:00:00.500 because that's the best

01:00:01.100 they can do

01:00:02.320 because that's actually

01:00:03.360 what they did.

01:00:04.500 Vandalism, right.

01:00:05.320 Yeah.

01:00:05.880 And if what they did,

01:00:07.120 and this is the obvious point,

01:00:08.140 but as you said,

01:00:09.000 we have to keep,

01:00:10.220 I don't know what else

01:00:10.680 we could do,

01:00:11.380 but keep repeating it,

01:00:12.080 that if that qualifies

01:00:14.000 as insurrection,

01:00:14.760 then I don't know

01:00:15.460 how that wouldn't also apply

01:00:17.840 to going into a police station

01:00:19.320 in a major American city

01:00:20.320 and burning it to the ground.

01:00:21.860 I mean,

01:00:22.040 that is,

01:00:22.500 you want to talk about

01:00:23.240 dark days in America,

01:00:25.200 what everyone said

01:00:25.640 about January 6th.

01:00:26.800 I want to make sure

01:00:27.560 that we don't seem

01:00:28.200 like we're flying cover

01:00:29.080 for what happened

01:00:30.560 at the Capitol

01:00:30.980 on January 6th.

01:00:31.980 Obviously,

01:00:32.380 there were a million people

01:00:33.780 in town for the President's rally,

01:00:35.020 a million people

01:00:35.440 there to protest.

01:00:35.980 I disagree with those

01:00:37.360 million people

01:00:37.960 about what they were

01:00:39.600 there to protest,

01:00:40.440 but they were well

01:00:41.040 within their rights

01:00:41.640 to be there to protest,

01:00:42.880 so I don't want to paint

01:00:43.580 with such a broad brush

01:00:45.020 that I'm guilty

01:00:46.020 of what the media is guilty.

01:00:46.800 A million Republicans

01:00:48.000 sacked the Capitol.

01:00:48.980 Of course,

01:00:49.220 that's not true.

01:00:50.580 There was a very small minority

01:00:52.180 of those people

01:00:52.840 who did do something

01:00:54.500 that was wrong.

01:00:55.240 They did do something

01:00:55.780 that was criminal.

01:00:56.580 They did do something

01:00:57.240 that was...

01:00:57.720 It was mostly peaceful.

01:00:58.660 It was mostly peaceful.

01:00:59.260 Yeah,

01:00:59.480 it might say it was.

01:01:00.340 Mostly peaceful.

01:01:02.680 Nevertheless,

01:01:04.040 you may recall

01:01:05.420 that someone on the left

01:01:06.680 shot up

01:01:07.900 the congressional baseball game

01:01:11.760 and almost killed

01:01:12.840 Steve Scalise.

01:01:13.800 You wouldn't know that

01:01:14.820 if you ever watched

01:01:15.660 the media in this country.

01:01:16.920 They're so selective.

01:01:18.080 The ALM supporters

01:01:18.580 shot six cops.

01:01:19.860 Shot six under Barack Obama.

01:01:21.380 A bottle of cocktail

01:01:22.520 to police cruisers.

01:01:23.740 The ALM's bill

01:01:24.260 at the White House

01:01:24.840 and 60 Secret Service agents

01:01:26.200 were wounded in that

01:01:26.980 last year.

01:01:28.700 But this is what we're doing

01:01:30.020 right now.

01:01:30.320 This is whataboutism.

01:01:31.260 So you're not allowed

01:01:31.740 to do this

01:01:32.260 because whataboutism

01:01:33.480 is a bad thing,

01:01:34.200 apparently,

01:01:34.880 which, of course,

01:01:35.240 it isn't.

01:01:35.720 Whataboutism is simply...

01:01:37.340 There should be a standard.

01:01:38.600 Yeah, it's just...

01:01:39.600 It's right.

01:01:39.980 It's trying to understand

01:01:40.560 what the standard is

01:01:41.300 and it's holding you

01:01:41.860 to your own standard,

01:01:43.220 which we're not allowed to do.

01:01:44.320 And, of course,

01:01:45.260 here's the thing.

01:01:45.760 I think everyone in this room...

01:01:47.040 I know everyone in this room

01:01:48.000 has previously stated

01:01:51.860 that they're not in favor

01:01:53.180 of what happened

01:01:53.540 on January 6th.

01:01:54.720 So, like,

01:01:55.800 that's been said.

01:01:57.540 We all understand

01:01:58.780 that.

01:01:59.040 We're all on the same page.

01:02:01.760 What the media wants us to do

01:02:03.100 is we have to continue

01:02:04.660 repeating that over

01:02:05.600 and over and over again

01:02:06.540 just because they tell us to.

01:02:09.220 Well, it's for 2022.

01:02:10.460 Right.

01:02:10.680 I mean, their program is...

01:02:11.920 That's what it is.

01:02:12.840 Their program is unpopular.

01:02:14.260 The president is not good

01:02:15.640 at his job.

01:02:16.420 His administration

01:02:16.960 is blowing out the inflation

01:02:18.300 and lowering the growth rates.

01:02:19.700 People aren't going back to work.

01:02:21.000 He didn't put an end

01:02:21.760 to the virus

01:02:22.200 as he bragged that he would.

01:02:23.760 And so now,

01:02:24.820 they have to come up

01:02:25.460 with some other narrative.

01:02:26.380 And the narrative

01:02:26.740 for four years was Trump.

01:02:27.980 Trump's no longer in office.

01:02:29.060 So how do you keep

01:02:29.540 that narrative alive?

01:02:30.320 You just keep saying

01:02:30.860 January 6th over and over

01:02:31.860 and over again.

01:02:32.380 Okay, the reality is

01:02:33.640 everybody who participated

01:02:34.640 in criminal activity

01:02:35.300 on January 6th

01:02:36.060 is now being prosecuted

01:02:36.920 and they will go to jail.

01:02:38.600 Okay, that is certainly not true

01:02:39.480 of all the thousands of riots.

01:02:41.240 Well, they're actually being

01:02:42.180 let off the hook

01:02:43.480 in Manhattan and the Bronx.

01:02:44.780 The majority of the people

01:02:45.720 who were involved in BLM

01:02:46.880 for looting

01:02:47.640 are just being dismissed

01:02:48.700 for that sort of thing.

01:02:49.120 Right, exactly.

01:02:49.560 I just want to point out

01:02:50.080 the people who threw

01:02:51.320 a Molotov cocktail

01:02:52.200 into a police cooper

01:02:53.060 during the BLM riots

01:02:54.420 in New York

01:02:54.900 were released on bail.

01:02:56.060 Yeah, so the kind of attempt,

01:02:59.100 and we can see

01:02:59.680 what's happening, right?

01:03:00.300 The real goal here

01:03:01.100 is not about January 6th.

01:03:02.300 The real goal is to do

01:03:03.140 exactly what, Jeremy,

01:03:03.920 you didn't do, right?

01:03:04.840 The goal is to say

01:03:05.640 that it was everybody

01:03:06.820 who's at the protest

01:03:08.020 and not only everybody

01:03:08.900 who's at the protest,

01:03:09.620 every single person

01:03:10.380 who voted for Trump.

01:03:11.260 Yeah, everyone who was sympathetic.

01:03:12.360 And everybody who even

01:03:13.280 didn't vote for Trump

01:03:13.960 but is sympathetic

01:03:15.000 to anything that doesn't

01:03:15.960 resemble the left-wing position

01:03:16.920 is in their heart guilty

01:03:18.300 of this deep act of evil

01:03:20.380 that happened on January 6th.

01:03:22.360 And it's an argument

01:03:24.400 that's bound to fail.

01:03:25.140 It is not going to work.

01:03:26.020 Most Americans don't believe that.

01:03:27.460 Most Americans can see

01:03:28.680 January 6th for what it was,

01:03:29.620 which was an act

01:03:30.680 of criminality

01:03:32.360 and in some cases evil.

01:03:33.900 And also that

01:03:35.160 that does not represent,

01:03:36.380 as one of the cops said

01:03:37.240 the other day,

01:03:37.900 all of America, right?

01:03:38.800 One of the cops said

01:03:39.400 like yesterday on the stand,

01:03:41.480 it turns out this person

01:03:42.380 tends to be kind of

01:03:43.280 a left-wing activist

01:03:44.340 on Twitter,

01:03:45.200 that unsurprisingly,

01:03:46.960 that his experiences

01:03:48.200 during January 6th

01:03:48.980 when people were calling

01:03:49.520 him racist names,

01:03:50.160 this is indicative

01:03:50.660 of something broad

01:03:51.380 about America.

01:03:52.420 And that is the left-wing pitch.

01:03:53.900 Well, good luck with that

01:03:54.600 because I think

01:03:55.240 the Republicans

01:03:55.620 are just going to

01:03:56.420 kick the living hell

01:03:57.320 out of the Democrats

01:03:57.920 in 2020.

01:03:58.460 I think the Republicans

01:03:59.240 are going to take the House.

01:04:00.280 I think there's a 60% shot

01:04:02.020 they retain the Senate.

01:04:03.020 I think the Democrats

01:04:03.560 are in for a world of hurt.

01:04:04.840 Do you think, though,

01:04:05.500 if we do not get

01:04:07.380 the multiple election

01:04:08.680 integrity measures

01:04:09.480 that are trying to go

01:04:10.300 through the states right now,

01:04:11.100 if we still have things

01:04:12.040 like widespread mail-in,

01:04:13.100 ballot harvesting,

01:04:14.020 motor voter laws,

01:04:15.440 are you still confident

01:04:16.780 that we're going to

01:04:17.160 take the House?

01:04:18.040 Yeah, I am.

01:04:18.600 I hope so.

01:04:19.020 I mean, the polls look good.

01:04:19.980 I mean, first of all,

01:04:20.860 I think that those laws

01:04:22.360 have passed in a lot

01:04:23.080 of these states.

01:04:24.020 But second of all,

01:04:25.080 I just don't think

01:04:25.880 that the Democrats,

01:04:27.140 Donald Trump ain't

01:04:27.640 on the ballot.

01:04:28.140 He's a great turnout

01:04:28.780 machine for everybody.

01:04:30.080 And him not being

01:04:30.780 on the ballot

01:04:31.140 is for congressional

01:04:32.800 candidates,

01:04:33.620 virtually all of whom

01:04:34.280 outperformed her.

01:04:35.620 I mean, pretty much

01:04:37.120 every Republican

01:04:37.680 congressional candidate,

01:04:38.540 including in the

01:04:38.920 senatorial seats,

01:04:39.540 outperformed Trump

01:04:40.120 in the last election cycle,

01:04:41.820 which is why Republicans

01:04:42.640 outperformed in Congress.

01:04:43.960 With Trump not on the ballot

01:04:45.080 in 2022,

01:04:46.380 I think that Republicans,

01:04:47.740 they've taken away

01:04:48.640 the biggest Democratic

01:04:49.520 talking point.

01:04:50.120 That's the reason

01:04:50.680 why Pelosi keeps saying

01:04:51.880 Trump in January 6th

01:04:53.160 over and over and over again.

01:04:54.840 She wants that report

01:04:55.540 to come out next year.

01:04:56.400 She wants to claim

01:04:57.020 that all the Republicans

01:04:57.820 were complicit in that.

01:04:59.120 But guess what?

01:04:59.820 Americans are not into this.

01:05:01.220 They're not into this.

01:05:02.040 Trump has not been in office

01:05:03.000 for six months at this point.

01:05:04.500 The president of the United States

01:05:05.540 is a doddering,

01:05:06.380 senile old buffoon

01:05:07.380 who can't hold it together

01:05:08.680 and is presiding

01:05:09.380 over the most radical agenda

01:05:10.460 of our lifetime.

01:05:11.000 And on whom they depend.

01:05:13.460 Yes.

01:05:14.440 That doddering,

01:05:15.520 old, senile president

01:05:16.620 is their only hope.

01:05:18.860 If, God forbid,

01:05:20.120 something were to happen to him,

01:05:21.460 Kamala Harris cannot win

01:05:23.000 a national election.

01:05:23.980 Kamala Harris couldn't win

01:05:25.080 a California primary.

01:05:27.620 She is the worst politician

01:05:28.560 I have ever seen

01:05:29.320 in my entire life.

01:05:30.160 And the Democrats know this.

01:05:31.440 They know how fragile this is.

01:05:32.680 And the thing for Biden

01:05:33.360 is that Biden also recognizes

01:05:34.920 that because he's

01:05:36.040 a one-term president,

01:05:36.740 they've really put themselves

01:05:38.260 in a rock and a hard place.

01:05:39.400 Biden knows that he's

01:05:40.060 a one-term president.

01:05:40.960 He also knows the only way

01:05:41.740 he goes down in history

01:05:42.440 is to do a bunch of radical stuff

01:05:43.800 in this one term.

01:05:44.640 And he knows that by the end

01:05:45.400 of next year,

01:05:45.780 he didn't control Congress.

01:05:46.680 Well, before we call her

01:05:47.960 the worst politician,

01:05:48.660 let's not pretend

01:05:49.860 that Hillary Clinton

01:05:50.500 never existed.

01:05:51.940 Kamala's worse than Hillary.

01:05:52.900 Yeah, I can see it.

01:05:53.780 Because she has

01:05:54.180 the intersectional benefit.

01:05:54.900 Hillary won votes.

01:05:56.440 By the way, though,

01:05:57.080 the thing with Kamala,

01:05:58.080 though, on the worst

01:05:58.520 politician thing,

01:05:59.520 because I liked her.

01:06:00.780 I didn't like her.

01:06:01.360 I think she's awful.

01:06:02.240 But I said she might do well

01:06:04.460 from the beginning.

01:06:05.400 And she's a terrible politician

01:06:06.720 with the people.

01:06:08.060 But she's pretty good

01:06:08.880 behind the scenes.

01:06:09.740 She's pretty, I mean,

01:06:10.440 the woman became vice president.

01:06:10.900 What do you mean by that exactly?

01:06:12.060 All right, I don't want

01:06:12.680 to get too into detail.

01:06:14.020 But at least in terms

01:06:15.500 of the presidency,

01:06:16.620 I'm not talking about California,

01:06:17.860 in terms of the presidency,

01:06:19.400 the woman ended up

01:06:20.200 the vice president

01:06:21.400 of the United States.

01:06:21.720 Yeah, but that was an easy

01:06:22.780 woman, black, Indian,

01:06:25.360 that's it.

01:06:25.900 That's how they think.

01:06:26.360 That's how they think.

01:06:26.420 That's exactly racist.

01:06:27.040 That's literally how they thought.

01:06:29.260 That's the whole reason

01:06:29.900 they put her up.

01:06:30.300 They thought she was going

01:06:30.860 to perform much better.

01:06:31.760 I think that they actually

01:06:32.320 wanted her to be the candidate.

01:06:33.120 I don't think they even know

01:06:34.440 about that.

01:06:34.720 Black woman candidate.

01:06:35.560 It's legitimately

01:06:36.280 black woman.

01:06:38.680 Yeah, that's it.

01:06:39.300 There was no other reason

01:06:40.020 because they actually thought

01:06:40.920 she would perform much better

01:06:41.680 and they were shocked

01:06:42.260 when the black community

01:06:42.860 didn't respond to her

01:06:43.740 because they were, you know,

01:06:45.020 very aware of her record

01:06:46.240 as a prosecutor

01:06:47.220 and they just did,

01:06:48.060 they were not about

01:06:48.820 Kamala Harris.

01:06:49.360 She's also fundamentally,

01:06:50.460 she has that Hillary Clinton

01:06:51.240 factor where she's just

01:06:52.020 fundamentally unlikable.

01:06:53.140 The laugh.

01:06:53.360 Every time she speaks,

01:06:54.320 like, she just looks so bad

01:06:55.880 next to Pence in that debate.

01:06:57.780 She looks petty

01:06:58.400 and I think that they realized

01:07:00.660 that and they just sort of

01:07:01.260 pitched her onto Joe Biden's wagon

01:07:02.340 because who else,

01:07:03.120 Cory Booker, I mean.

01:07:04.340 I have certain lifelong dreams.

01:07:05.420 One of them is to, you know,

01:07:06.740 play Brahms with Condi.

01:07:07.720 Another one is to, you know,

01:07:09.480 go and have a long interview

01:07:10.920 with Thomas Sow.

01:07:11.840 I'm going to throw you

01:07:12.200 to play poker with Kamala Harris

01:07:13.420 because I will take her

01:07:15.280 for all her money.

01:07:15.920 You'll be so rich.

01:07:16.580 I mean, that woman's poker face,

01:07:18.100 she has the worst poker face

01:07:19.040 in the history of politics.

01:07:20.240 She's actually just a bad actress

01:07:21.300 is really what it comes down to.

01:07:22.360 So here's a question.

01:07:23.900 I want to take some member questions

01:07:25.420 from our members

01:07:25.900 over at DailyWire.com.

01:07:27.240 You can become a member right now.

01:07:28.960 DailyWire.com slash subscribe.

01:07:32.260 And this question is

01:07:33.520 for the whole group.

01:07:34.580 Though the Olympics

01:07:35.100 have gotten a little woke,

01:07:36.380 you have to remember

01:07:37.000 the 1980 Winter Olympics

01:07:38.460 in Lake Placid

01:07:39.580 when the United States hockey team

01:07:41.200 defeated the Soviets

01:07:42.080 and went on to win gold.

01:07:43.560 I'm hyped just thinking about it.

01:07:45.480 Do you think

01:07:45.980 we will ever get back to that?

01:07:47.780 Funny to think

01:07:48.280 that the country

01:07:48.860 actually bonded

01:07:50.020 over the communist hate

01:07:51.100 and how quickly

01:07:51.680 we have forgotten

01:07:52.220 that communism

01:07:52.820 used to be the common enemy.

01:07:54.860 Russia will beat us first.

01:07:56.660 I don't think we will.

01:07:57.940 We're not going to get back

01:07:58.620 to that anytime soon

01:07:59.880 in terms of,

01:08:00.600 you know,

01:08:02.040 that sense of national unity

01:08:04.420 and cheering together

01:08:05.740 because the thing

01:08:07.220 that's lost

01:08:07.940 and I think this is why

01:08:09.240 people find,

01:08:10.140 for example,

01:08:10.540 the women's soccer team

01:08:11.340 to be so disgusting

01:08:12.020 and we were happy

01:08:12.900 when they lost

01:08:13.500 and I know I certainly was.

01:08:15.420 It's just there's this

01:08:16.340 sense of gratitude

01:08:17.320 for the country

01:08:18.960 that's been lost

01:08:19.720 and that's a lot of

01:08:21.540 what patriotism really is.

01:08:22.840 It's being grateful

01:08:24.660 for the blessings

01:08:25.240 you've been given

01:08:25.600 by our country

01:08:26.120 and I think we've got

01:08:27.240 a whole generation

01:08:27.760 of people,

01:08:28.240 multiple generations

01:08:28.880 that haven't been

01:08:29.480 raised with that.

01:08:30.580 We don't have

01:08:31.040 an American pastime anymore

01:08:32.460 because we don't have

01:08:34.300 an idea of what

01:08:35.440 Americans are uniting around.

01:08:36.700 You know,

01:08:36.840 this is a very interesting

01:08:37.740 thing that,

01:08:39.600 but I've been a little

01:08:40.840 under the weather,

01:08:41.700 not with COVID.

01:08:42.620 Whatever you're going

01:08:43.160 to catch from me

01:08:43.640 is far, far worse.

01:08:45.700 But I went home

01:08:46.720 from work early yesterday

01:08:47.700 because I was taking

01:08:48.940 some prescriptions

01:08:49.520 and just needed some rest

01:08:50.600 and as I was laying in bed,

01:08:52.380 I watched the pilot episode

01:08:54.360 of a show from the 90s

01:08:55.620 called Star Trek Deep Space Nine

01:08:56.960 and I'm a big Trekkie.

01:08:58.620 I've watched every episode

01:08:59.360 of every Star Trek series

01:09:00.340 except Deep Space Nine

01:09:01.460 and the real hardcore Trekkies

01:09:04.400 say it's the best.

01:09:05.380 I just never got into it

01:09:06.220 and I was laying there sick

01:09:06.920 and I thought,

01:09:07.200 well, I'm going to watch it.

01:09:08.300 So I download this episode,

01:09:09.400 I'm watching it.

01:09:10.720 It's famous for being

01:09:11.560 the first Star Trek

01:09:12.680 that had a black lead,

01:09:14.920 black commanding officer.

01:09:16.340 Because I hadn't prepared

01:09:17.280 to talk about it,

01:09:17.880 I don't know the actor's name

01:09:18.700 off the top of my head,

01:09:20.000 but the character's name

01:09:21.400 is Sisko.

01:09:23.260 And this was a major moment

01:09:24.320 in the 90s.

01:09:25.200 Star Trek was a major franchise,

01:09:26.540 Star Trek Connect Generation

01:09:27.220 a major show

01:09:27.880 and they gave us

01:09:29.560 Captain Janeway

01:09:30.660 who was the first female captain

01:09:31.940 that made big news

01:09:32.700 and just before that

01:09:33.940 they gave us

01:09:34.380 Commander Sisko

01:09:35.240 who was the first black lead.

01:09:36.840 And as I was watching the show,

01:09:39.040 I was so struck

01:09:40.780 by how disingenuous

01:09:42.300 this racial moment is

01:09:43.720 that we live in right now.

01:09:45.040 Because here you had

01:09:45.900 this actor playing a role

01:09:47.820 and the role

01:09:48.920 was a 24th century

01:09:50.540 Starfleet commanding officer,

01:09:53.100 right?

01:09:53.920 And we know,

01:09:54.600 if you ever watch

01:09:55.160 The Next Generation,

01:09:55.840 in particular,

01:09:56.900 it's very utopian

01:09:57.740 and in the future humans

01:09:59.360 we're a little bit more

01:10:00.300 collectivist

01:10:00.980 and we're a little bit

01:10:01.540 more evolved

01:10:02.140 and we have all these

01:10:02.780 common thoughts

01:10:03.400 about what it means

01:10:04.460 to be a person

01:10:05.060 and what it means

01:10:05.560 to be sentient

01:10:07.000 and this actor

01:10:10.420 gives a performance

01:10:11.300 in which essentially

01:10:13.500 the role that he's playing

01:10:14.660 would not have been

01:10:15.620 dramatically different

01:10:16.720 had it been played

01:10:17.720 by a white actor.

01:10:19.120 And in fact,

01:10:19.500 there's a scene

01:10:20.000 where he's on the holodeck

01:10:20.900 where you can make

01:10:21.300 all of your fantasies

01:10:22.080 come true.

01:10:23.140 He's on the holodeck

01:10:23.900 with his son

01:10:24.480 and they're playing

01:10:25.740 a game of baseball

01:10:26.540 and he's having to explain

01:10:28.120 to this non-corporeal

01:10:30.340 alien life form

01:10:31.360 who doesn't understand

01:10:32.460 the physical universe

01:10:33.760 or time

01:10:34.420 and he's trying to explain

01:10:35.960 to them what memories are

01:10:37.160 and what imagination is

01:10:38.700 and how we linear

01:10:40.120 corporeal beings

01:10:41.020 can move ourselves

01:10:41.720 out of this moment

01:10:42.700 and into moments

01:10:43.800 that don't even exist

01:10:44.700 our past aspirations

01:10:46.760 for our future,

01:10:47.960 this game of baseball

01:10:48.840 that he plays

01:10:49.320 with his son

01:10:49.780 and because it's

01:10:51.380 on the holodeck

01:10:51.960 it's like a 1930s

01:10:54.180 game of baseball.

01:10:55.340 You know,

01:10:55.560 it's a different world

01:10:57.460 even from now

01:10:58.160 and part of his speech

01:10:59.520 is about how

01:10:59.960 this is the great pastime.

01:11:02.080 You know,

01:11:02.140 this is one of our

01:11:02.880 great endearing pastimes

01:11:04.720 and how illogical

01:11:06.040 it is in its way

01:11:06.760 but how what we're really doing

01:11:07.900 when we engage in sport

01:11:08.960 is we're facing

01:11:10.620 as linear beings

01:11:12.240 we're facing

01:11:12.760 an almost unlimited

01:11:13.920 number of possibilities

01:11:15.020 that don't become

01:11:16.420 a predictable reality

01:11:18.020 until you've already

01:11:18.820 done them.

01:11:19.180 You can't know

01:11:19.940 what's going to happen.

01:11:20.900 Anyway,

01:11:21.220 all of this to say

01:11:21.900 it was this very

01:11:22.480 aspirational speech

01:11:24.920 about essentially

01:11:26.300 about humanity

01:11:27.980 from a western

01:11:28.880 point of view.

01:11:29.860 I mean,

01:11:30.000 he was declaring

01:11:31.380 what's great about America

01:11:32.460 although they certainly

01:11:33.260 didn't say America

01:11:34.000 it's in the 21st century

01:11:35.000 and a white actor

01:11:36.820 could have played the role

01:11:37.660 an Hispanic actor

01:11:38.920 could have played the role

01:11:39.780 race was incidental

01:11:42.200 and I thought

01:11:43.800 by God in the 90s

01:11:44.760 we had this thing licked.

01:11:46.360 You can't say today

01:11:48.760 that Ibram X.

01:11:50.520 Kendi

01:11:50.840 all this crap

01:11:53.280 about structural racism

01:11:54.660 you can't say

01:11:55.360 that the reason

01:11:55.780 that they're burning

01:11:56.360 down Minneapolis

01:11:57.160 and all of this stuff

01:11:57.980 is about Jim Crow

01:11:59.920 and in order to be able

01:12:01.220 to say that

01:12:01.920 you have to be able

01:12:02.860 to draw a line

01:12:03.720 straight back from today

01:12:05.360 to Jim Crow

01:12:06.860 and you can't have

01:12:08.140 the 90s exist

01:12:09.080 in that thread.

01:12:10.060 You can't have a time

01:12:10.900 when Bill Cosby

01:12:11.540 was the most famous

01:12:12.420 American.

01:12:13.940 You can't have a time

01:12:15.440 when Michael Jackson

01:12:18.460 was the most famous

01:12:19.880 person on earth.

01:12:22.300 Whitney Houston

01:12:22.780 was the most famous

01:12:23.400 female singer

01:12:23.880 of the time.

01:12:24.120 The most famous

01:12:24.620 female singer

01:12:25.200 in the world.

01:12:25.920 You can't have that time

01:12:27.300 when a black actor

01:12:29.580 playing a role

01:12:31.220 in which he defends

01:12:32.020 western civilization

01:12:32.900 essentially

01:12:33.520 could have also been

01:12:34.840 played by a white actor

01:12:35.760 and could have also been

01:12:36.700 played by an Hispanic actor

01:12:37.780 where race was not

01:12:38.940 the defining central.

01:12:41.000 The fact that that time

01:12:42.220 existed

01:12:42.860 and that it culminated

01:12:44.160 in the ascension

01:12:44.840 of Barack Obama

01:12:45.600 who was the bow

01:12:46.680 on top of our victory

01:12:48.020 over Jim Crow

01:12:50.180 and over the legacy

01:12:51.140 I'm not saying

01:12:52.940 that there are no

01:12:53.400 lingering effects

01:12:54.200 of the treatment

01:12:54.680 of black people

01:12:55.200 in America.

01:12:55.860 Of course that would be

01:12:56.480 a silly thing to say.

01:12:57.820 What I am saying though

01:12:58.820 is that you can't

01:13:00.240 take this moment

01:13:01.180 and go straight back

01:13:02.840 to Jim Crow

01:13:03.300 without ignoring

01:13:04.120 that moment.

01:13:05.180 I really believe

01:13:06.760 that this whole thing

01:13:07.620 is the Democrat hysteria

01:13:08.800 over the failure

01:13:09.420 of the great society

01:13:10.420 because the fact is

01:13:11.520 you can't take that moment

01:13:12.880 even before the great society

01:13:14.580 before the great society

01:13:15.660 blacks were rising

01:13:16.400 into the middle class

01:13:17.200 faster than after

01:13:18.880 the great society

01:13:19.800 and it has been

01:13:20.400 a massive massive failure

01:13:21.580 and the left

01:13:22.160 has been feeding off it

01:13:23.120 like a tick

01:13:23.760 you know

01:13:24.580 and so they don't

01:13:25.160 want it to go away

01:13:25.760 they don't want

01:13:26.180 all that money

01:13:26.760 and all those bad

01:13:27.520 programs to go away

01:13:28.900 and that's why

01:13:29.660 they're telling

01:13:30.240 listen

01:13:30.700 I'm sorry

01:13:32.200 I travel all over the place

01:13:33.300 we all travel

01:13:33.840 all over the place

01:13:34.480 I mean people

01:13:34.960 of every color

01:13:35.880 there are

01:13:36.680 lots and lots

01:13:38.420 of black people

01:13:38.920 making it in America

01:13:39.980 and really grateful

01:13:41.440 to be here

01:13:42.040 and really grateful

01:13:42.860 like all of us

01:13:43.580 are grateful

01:13:43.900 to be here

01:13:44.340 I do not believe

01:13:46.360 they can sell this thing

01:13:47.400 past a certain point

01:13:48.600 of hysteria

01:13:49.180 they own the media

01:13:50.100 they own the government

01:13:52.340 they own the academy

01:13:53.480 but at some point

01:13:54.500 the truth will out

01:13:55.220 but there's this problem

01:13:56.100 actually getting back

01:13:56.980 to the viewer question

01:13:58.240 there's this problem

01:13:59.300 of what are we focused

01:14:00.820 on right now

01:14:01.500 and so the American left

01:14:02.960 always shield for communism

01:14:04.020 and for the Soviet Union

01:14:05.340 especially on the fringes

01:14:06.860 of it

01:14:07.100 and they never apologized

01:14:08.100 for it

01:14:08.560 but the American right

01:14:09.800 was really unified

01:14:10.620 because you had

01:14:11.860 all these disparate factions

01:14:12.860 the libertarians

01:14:13.640 and the hawks

01:14:14.260 and the traditionalists

01:14:15.000 the religious right

01:14:15.580 and all of them

01:14:15.960 kind of came together

01:14:16.900 to fight the Soviet Union

01:14:17.940 which they hated

01:14:18.480 for various and diverse reasons

01:14:20.040 and then the Soviet Union falls

01:14:21.880 and so you're not fighting

01:14:23.900 an enemy

01:14:24.240 then you start fighting

01:14:25.360 like terror broadly

01:14:26.900 or you start fighting

01:14:28.000 you start fighting each other

01:14:30.140 I suppose

01:14:31.020 because there's no unifying

01:14:32.380 external enemy

01:14:33.400 now we're all just focused

01:14:34.780 on these issues

01:14:35.600 that we basically had licked

01:14:36.760 in the 90s

01:14:37.640 which is everything

01:14:38.400 working together

01:14:40.540 is everything

01:14:41.040 I mean if we start

01:14:42.000 to have these arguments

01:14:42.780 between the Trumps

01:14:43.780 and the RNC

01:14:45.000 and all this stuff

01:14:45.620 we'll fall apart

01:14:46.580 they are so organized

01:14:47.640 you know

01:14:48.100 the people who took over

01:14:50.140 Russia

01:14:51.140 who formed the Soviet Union

01:14:52.740 it's like 23,000 people

01:14:54.240 out of the millions of people

01:14:56.140 who populated Russia

01:14:57.480 it just takes

01:14:58.220 an organized minority

01:15:00.020 to take over a government

01:15:01.140 and take over a country

01:15:02.000 and they're disorganized

01:15:03.120 it feels like a dream

01:15:04.660 now or something

01:15:05.480 but it was real

01:15:06.840 growing up in the 90s

01:15:09.060 as I did

01:15:09.640 and I can remember

01:15:11.200 in the school system

01:15:12.720 I went to public school

01:15:13.640 unfortunately

01:15:13.980 for all my schooling years

01:15:15.800 and one of many failures

01:15:18.520 to come out of that system

01:15:20.600 but I can remember

01:15:22.460 I went to a very diverse

01:15:23.740 school system

01:15:24.360 and we had

01:15:25.100 you know

01:15:25.500 black kids

01:15:26.540 white kids

01:15:26.940 a lot of

01:15:27.200 there's a heavy Asian

01:15:27.960 population as well

01:15:28.640 and I can just remember

01:15:30.180 that it was

01:15:30.940 we never talked about it

01:15:32.200 it was never an issue

01:15:33.260 there was never any time

01:15:34.540 when we all sat down

01:15:35.540 and talked about

01:15:36.180 our racial differences

01:15:36.920 and what does this mean

01:15:38.180 let's confront the sins

01:15:39.300 of whiteness

01:15:39.760 that never happened

01:15:41.080 and I'm not saying

01:15:42.480 that it was harmonious

01:15:43.280 and everything was great

01:15:44.060 there were a lot of problems

01:15:45.140 but it wasn't an issue

01:15:47.360 we just said

01:15:47.960 and as kids

01:15:49.000 this is what makes me so angry

01:15:50.720 because having experienced that

01:15:52.480 I know that if you kind of

01:15:53.380 leave kids to their own devices

01:15:54.580 and you put them

01:15:55.540 in an environment together

01:15:56.640 yeah they're going to ask questions

01:15:58.380 sometimes awkward questions

01:15:59.500 about their differences

01:16:00.200 and that sort of thing

01:16:00.960 but they're not going to make a

01:16:02.460 they're not going to see

01:16:03.400 any great deep significance

01:16:04.720 in that

01:16:05.140 they're just going to see

01:16:06.120 each other as kids

01:16:06.900 and they're going to play

01:16:07.480 on the playground

01:16:07.880 you have to make it an issue

01:16:10.700 you have to go to these kids

01:16:11.840 and say

01:16:12.340 oh you see that person over there

01:16:13.480 they look different from you

01:16:15.100 that difference is important

01:16:16.740 and significant

01:16:17.440 and here are some feelings

01:16:19.140 you should have

01:16:19.800 about those differences

01:16:20.600 and that's what we're doing

01:16:21.780 to kids now

01:16:22.480 and it just infuriates me

01:16:24.700 I just want to say

01:16:25.140 also running parallel

01:16:25.940 to this argument though

01:16:26.860 to answer the question

01:16:27.580 another way

01:16:28.040 and I made the joke

01:16:29.420 Russia will have that

01:16:30.180 moment first

01:16:30.580 but I'm being serious

01:16:31.300 because we're moving away

01:16:32.020 from a meritocracy

01:16:32.760 this goes back

01:16:33.820 to our earlier discussion

01:16:34.600 about like

01:16:35.140 you're winning

01:16:36.140 by not even competing

01:16:37.020 winning in your heart

01:16:37.880 you're winning in your heart

01:16:38.740 this is now becoming

01:16:40.060 the American perspective

01:16:40.920 so how do you expect

01:16:41.880 America to have a moment

01:16:42.880 in which we win

01:16:43.680 and have something triumphing

01:16:44.980 like against Russia

01:16:46.500 or against the Soviet Union

01:16:47.340 or ever being able

01:16:48.100 to replicate that moment

01:16:48.800 when we don't even

01:16:49.340 understand fundamentally

01:16:50.640 what winning is

01:16:51.300 and we're starting to say

01:16:52.200 the concept of winning

01:16:53.520 is wrong

01:16:54.040 that's what's going on

01:16:54.680 in America right now

01:16:55.320 so no

01:16:56.220 unless we reverse

01:16:57.160 you know

01:16:57.500 reverse the Titanic

01:16:58.260 away from the iceberg

01:16:59.020 I don't see

01:16:59.780 how we have that moment

01:17:00.840 at least on our lifetimes

01:17:02.020 until we

01:17:02.460 we're gonna need to have

01:17:04.480 as Michael says

01:17:05.360 an existential threat

01:17:06.100 normally

01:17:06.500 it would be perfectly obvious

01:17:07.680 what that existential threat is

01:17:08.680 which is the rising tide of China

01:17:09.960 yeah

01:17:10.300 China is an existential threat

01:17:11.800 to the future of the United States

01:17:12.800 it's an existential threat

01:17:13.680 to the future of the world

01:17:14.580 they're a communist authoritarian power

01:17:16.600 that is on the move

01:17:17.620 they have made radical moves

01:17:18.840 against Hong Kong

01:17:19.700 they've made radical moves

01:17:20.760 in the South China Sea

01:17:21.500 they just unleashed a virus

01:17:22.820 whether accidentally

01:17:23.920 which I think

01:17:24.840 or not accidentally

01:17:26.620 that is killed

01:17:27.360 in excess of 4 million people

01:17:28.560 probably closer to 6 million people

01:17:29.860 if you get the actual stats

01:17:30.780 from India

01:17:31.120 and yet the West's response

01:17:32.780 to that has been

01:17:33.460 can we yell at each other

01:17:34.640 some more

01:17:35.060 one of the things

01:17:36.100 that's been so amazing

01:17:36.820 is that Europe

01:17:37.640 which is usually

01:17:38.240 where bad ideas come from

01:17:39.220 in America

01:17:39.540 usually there's a bad idea

01:17:40.480 in Europe

01:17:40.760 and then we take it here

01:17:41.460 and we're like

01:17:41.720 what if we just like

01:17:42.380 up the ante

01:17:43.060 on the really terrible idea

01:17:43.920 now Europe is looking at us

01:17:45.660 and they're going

01:17:45.960 what are you guys

01:17:46.600 trying to export over here

01:17:47.520 or seeing the French go

01:17:48.620 what is this woke crap

01:17:49.800 that you're trying to push

01:17:50.820 over here

01:17:51.420 when the Europeans

01:17:52.360 are telling us

01:17:53.120 that we're too far to the left

01:17:54.120 I think that we have to start

01:17:55.520 having some conversations

01:17:56.820 so here's a question

01:17:57.500 from a dailywire.com

01:17:58.820 member

01:17:59.360 should we start a movement

01:18:00.720 to boycott sports

01:18:01.620 that succumb to the woke mob

01:18:02.980 do you think

01:18:03.680 that type of movement

01:18:04.600 could be organized

01:18:05.480 would it even work

01:18:06.780 so I think that

01:18:08.200 long term boycotts

01:18:09.180 are very difficult

01:18:09.740 to make work

01:18:10.220 what does work

01:18:11.680 is the immediate blowback effect

01:18:12.840 so you can have

01:18:13.560 an immediate blowback

01:18:14.240 because the left

01:18:14.680 never has a long term boycott

01:18:15.920 the left couldn't even

01:18:17.060 long term boycott Chick-fil-A

01:18:17.980 what they did

01:18:18.660 is they created

01:18:19.020 a bunch of headlines

01:18:19.560 in the moment

01:18:20.040 and the headlines

01:18:20.680 are enough to scare

01:18:21.300 the corporate bosses

01:18:22.120 into thinking

01:18:22.880 they're going to have

01:18:23.320 a bad quarter

01:18:23.860 and then they just kowtow

01:18:24.880 so you can certainly do that

01:18:26.460 and I think frankly

01:18:27.160 that the right

01:18:27.660 kind of successfully

01:18:28.620 did this with MLB

01:18:29.560 I think that Major League Baseball

01:18:31.040 after the All-Star Game

01:18:32.060 felt the heat

01:18:33.140 and it seemed like

01:18:33.920 they sort of backed off

01:18:34.820 of some of this stuff

01:18:35.540 a little bit

01:18:36.220 and you've seen it

01:18:36.880 with other corporations

01:18:37.620 that have sort of

01:18:38.520 Coca-Cola did the same

01:18:39.420 sort of thing

01:18:39.840 they sort of backed off

01:18:40.680 in order to renormalize

01:18:42.840 an institution

01:18:43.340 which is one of the things

01:18:44.220 that I talk about

01:18:44.700 in my book

01:18:44.980 The Authoritarian Moment

01:18:45.800 in order to renormalize

01:18:47.560 the institutions

01:18:48.120 all it requires

01:18:48.860 as you say

01:18:49.620 and this is the correct step

01:18:50.760 is about 20%

01:18:51.700 of an institution

01:18:52.380 that is

01:18:53.060 diamond hard

01:18:54.200 rock core

01:18:55.300 aggressive

01:18:56.460 and will not give up

01:18:57.720 on the principle

01:18:58.420 and the left

01:18:59.140 has used that

01:18:59.920 in order to cudgel

01:19:00.440 everybody else

01:19:00.900 into silence

01:19:01.300 but the right

01:19:02.740 and the center

01:19:03.180 is like 50-60%

01:19:04.420 of the country

01:19:04.900 and so all you really

01:19:06.020 have to do

01:19:06.500 at your place of work

01:19:07.680 or in response

01:19:08.620 to MLB

01:19:09.540 is say listen

01:19:10.220 for one week

01:19:11.240 none of us are going

01:19:12.220 to a game

01:19:12.560 just a week

01:19:13.540 we're just gonna

01:19:14.280 flex our power

01:19:15.260 for one week

01:19:15.920 we're not gonna go

01:19:16.780 to any MLB games

01:19:17.680 and that would have

01:19:18.900 the sought after impact

01:19:19.980 I think the idea

01:19:20.520 that people are going

01:19:21.080 to like boycott

01:19:21.680 the NFL

01:19:22.140 or boycott MLB

01:19:22.960 for the rest of time

01:19:24.140 is probably a pipe dream

01:19:25.360 but you don't have to

01:19:26.080 I actually don't think

01:19:26.220 it's a pipe dream

01:19:26.600 I think it's happening

01:19:27.100 right now

01:19:27.520 I was gonna say

01:19:27.960 I think this is already

01:19:28.660 happening

01:19:29.000 it doesn't even need

01:19:29.560 to be organized

01:19:30.040 if you look at

01:19:30.520 the numbers

01:19:31.300 the viewership

01:19:32.080 has tanked

01:19:32.820 compared to

01:19:33.500 five years ago

01:19:34.540 the viewership

01:19:34.920 has absolutely tanked

01:19:35.740 in NBA finals

01:19:36.520 I don't even know

01:19:36.860 who played

01:19:37.320 I canceled my MLB

01:19:38.520 everybody canceled

01:19:39.360 their

01:19:39.580 is canceling

01:19:40.280 their subscription

01:19:40.740 and it's not even

01:19:41.620 like I said

01:19:42.040 it's not even

01:19:42.400 because I'm trying

01:19:42.960 to be like

01:19:43.300 I'm trying

01:19:43.840 to stage a boycott

01:19:44.640 but because

01:19:45.320 I fundamentally

01:19:45.920 I'm like

01:19:46.240 I don't feel

01:19:47.040 like being lectured

01:19:47.620 here's the problem

01:19:48.100 I used to watch

01:19:48.660 sports to tune out

01:19:49.560 now you guys

01:19:50.100 every time

01:19:50.560 we're watching

01:19:50.900 a sports

01:19:51.260 it's a lecture

01:19:51.720 we're seeing

01:19:52.220 people on their knees

01:19:52.840 because they have

01:19:53.180 to say something

01:19:53.820 people are wearing

01:19:54.340 a shirt

01:19:54.640 because they have

01:19:55.000 to say something

01:19:55.580 someone's wearing

01:19:55.980 a BLM mask

01:19:56.620 they have to say

01:19:57.100 something

01:19:57.420 and quite frankly

01:19:58.360 that's not why

01:19:59.340 Americans watch sports

01:20:00.420 you know

01:20:00.740 so I think

01:20:01.300 we're seeing that

01:20:01.720 naturally

01:20:02.040 and at the same time

01:20:03.000 the UFC is picking up

01:20:05.040 Dana White

01:20:05.500 the UFC has gone

01:20:06.920 off the chains

01:20:07.660 in the last couple

01:20:08.280 of years

01:20:08.500 because they decided

01:20:09.440 not to make

01:20:13.300 this is that

01:20:13.680 that's a bifurcation

01:20:14.480 of the culture

01:20:15.180 and there's no question

01:20:16.740 that the culture

01:20:17.160 is bifurcating

01:20:17.780 the economy

01:20:18.240 is bifurcating

01:20:18.800 to some degree

01:20:19.400 for a boycott

01:20:21.340 to be effective

01:20:21.820 it actually has

01:20:22.460 to be organized

01:20:23.120 the reason is this

01:20:24.400 we all stop watching

01:20:25.600 the NBA

01:20:26.140 because screw the NBA

01:20:27.620 but they don't care

01:20:28.780 because China

01:20:29.320 will keep paying

01:20:29.820 for the NBA

01:20:30.300 they can accept

01:20:32.420 the loss

01:20:33.000 what they can't accept

01:20:34.220 is instability

01:20:35.080 in the predictability

01:20:36.240 of income

01:20:36.760 which is why

01:20:37.440 a boycott

01:20:38.040 actually has to come

01:20:39.160 both with

01:20:40.280 the threat

01:20:41.540 of removing

01:20:42.220 the support

01:20:43.540 and the potential

01:20:45.260 to restore

01:20:46.460 the support

01:20:47.000 only when that exists

01:20:48.540 is there an economic

01:20:49.360 incentive for them

01:20:50.000 to change their behavior

01:20:50.800 when we all just stop

01:20:52.180 because we have

01:20:52.540 we've stopped watching

01:20:53.080 the Oscars

01:20:53.460 we've stopped watching

01:20:54.000 the Golden Globes

01:20:54.520 we've stopped watching

01:20:55.060 the NBA Finals

01:20:55.820 when that happens

01:20:57.400 they double down

01:20:57.920 on their audience

01:20:58.460 they double down

01:20:59.220 on the people

01:20:59.540 who are still watching

01:21:00.220 that's right

01:21:00.680 which in this case

01:21:01.320 is the Chinese

01:21:01.820 but who cares

01:21:02.260 what's the downside

01:21:03.080 of that

01:21:03.480 who cares

01:21:03.960 it's actually

01:21:05.160 changing who the

01:21:06.620 celebrities are

01:21:07.400 and they're realizing

01:21:08.000 this right

01:21:08.480 once upon a time

01:21:09.580 everybody

01:21:10.200 and Oscars

01:21:10.620 is a great example

01:21:11.160 everybody watched

01:21:12.160 it

01:21:12.300 the speeches

01:21:13.120 meant something

01:21:13.860 because we were

01:21:14.520 all tuning in

01:21:15.060 now we're tuning out

01:21:16.060 so if they want

01:21:16.740 to just still say

01:21:17.320 we're going to have

01:21:17.700 it every year

01:21:18.060 and we're going to

01:21:18.360 flood in a bunch

01:21:18.900 of money from China

01:21:19.480 who cares

01:21:19.960 they're not having

01:21:21.260 an impact

01:21:21.680 on our culture

01:21:22.400 anymore

01:21:22.740 because nobody

01:21:23.440 actually looks up

01:21:24.220 to those people

01:21:24.500 that are giving

01:21:24.820 the speeches

01:21:25.240 there's an issue

01:21:26.260 one issue

01:21:26.820 with the boycotts

01:21:27.620 is I don't have

01:21:29.300 any problem

01:21:29.600 with it in principle

01:21:30.140 I think it's a good

01:21:30.680 idea

01:21:31.000 but there's a certain

01:21:32.600 futility to it

01:21:33.440 because I'm sure

01:21:35.440 you know as conservatives

01:21:36.260 I stopped watching

01:21:37.220 the NBA too

01:21:37.840 another issue here

01:21:39.400 is I'll have to admit

01:21:40.040 I was never a huge

01:21:40.760 NBA fan

01:21:41.400 so a lot of the people

01:21:42.020 doing these boycotts

01:21:42.880 on the left and right

01:21:43.560 were never using

01:21:44.300 the product to begin

01:21:44.940 with

01:21:45.140 so I was kind of

01:21:46.560 like I was a moderate

01:21:47.500 fan I just stopped

01:21:48.240 watching I wasn't

01:21:48.820 much to give up

01:21:49.820 but you know

01:21:51.440 if we're really

01:21:51.780 if we as conservatives

01:21:52.740 were serious about it

01:21:53.780 we're going to start

01:21:54.720 boycotting companies

01:21:55.780 that are not in line

01:21:57.500 with our values

01:21:58.080 that are working

01:21:58.640 against us

01:21:59.220 in the culture

01:21:59.640 that hate us

01:22:00.320 we should be starting

01:22:01.700 with how about

01:22:02.320 Disney

01:22:02.720 that should be

01:22:03.120 the first place

01:22:03.740 we start

01:22:04.160 because Disney

01:22:05.040 hates our guts

01:22:06.320 the amount of filth

01:22:08.640 that they put out

01:22:09.400 into the culture

01:22:09.920 and remember

01:22:10.240 Disney owns ABC

01:22:11.140 ESPN

01:22:11.620 so on and so forth

01:22:12.760 but you put that out

01:22:14.520 there to a lot of

01:22:15.020 conservatives

01:22:15.360 and they say

01:22:15.800 whoa hang on a second

01:22:16.760 I gotta watch

01:22:17.600 Marvel

01:22:18.280 I can't give that up

01:22:19.560 I mean this is my

01:22:20.060 whole entertainment

01:22:20.820 repertoire

01:22:21.800 you're asking me to give up

01:22:22.860 and so then

01:22:23.900 you start making

01:22:24.440 these calculations

01:22:24.980 and you realize

01:22:25.520 well if I'm going to

01:22:26.000 go down this road

01:22:26.680 I gotta give up

01:22:27.320 like everything

01:22:28.080 or at least all of

01:22:29.660 the things that I care

01:22:30.560 about as a consumer

01:22:31.320 and I identify myself

01:22:33.000 so much as a consumer

01:22:33.700 because we all do

01:22:34.260 as Americans

01:22:34.720 and then I think

01:22:36.320 people just sort of

01:22:37.260 like here and there

01:22:38.160 we'll kind of

01:22:38.580 okay we won't

01:22:39.260 watch the NBA

01:22:39.780 but I kind of think

01:22:41.820 we're not watching

01:22:42.400 the NBA

01:22:42.680 but you're still

01:22:43.360 watching Marvel movies

01:22:44.960 so what difference

01:22:46.460 does it really make

01:22:47.220 in the end

01:22:47.620 I think that Ben

01:22:49.700 I agree with Ben

01:22:50.560 that short term

01:22:51.700 boycotts are fine

01:22:52.740 long term though

01:22:53.800 we have to create

01:22:54.560 our own stuff

01:22:55.080 and this is

01:22:55.960 this is the actual

01:22:57.100 reason we call you

01:22:57.760 the God King

01:22:58.200 you know because

01:22:58.920 the stuff we're doing

01:22:59.660 here I think

01:23:00.560 that's the answer

01:23:01.380 and that's what I'm

01:23:02.100 saying yeah

01:23:02.560 people are watching

01:23:03.880 this

01:23:04.140 this is the reason

01:23:04.600 NPR writes an article

01:23:05.460 right why is this

01:23:06.440 despite the fact

01:23:07.300 that we used to be

01:23:08.140 the king makers

01:23:08.720 we'd have this person

01:23:09.280 speak on the Oscar

01:23:09.980 stage and they would

01:23:10.660 be the number one

01:23:11.520 person to watch

01:23:12.100 listen to it's just

01:23:12.580 not happening anymore

01:23:13.260 this is why they're

01:23:13.780 actually demanding

01:23:14.380 more censorship

01:23:15.000 this is the reason

01:23:15.860 why CNN goes

01:23:16.660 oh my gosh

01:23:17.480 we need to censor

01:23:18.180 Candace Ellers

01:23:18.880 and the Daily Wire

01:23:19.360 and all of a sudden

01:23:19.740 it seems to be gone

01:23:20.320 misconquering misinformation

01:23:21.440 is what they're

01:23:22.020 always saying

01:23:22.460 but in reality

01:23:22.900 what they're saying

01:23:23.480 is that they're

01:23:25.100 becoming powerless

01:23:26.040 so let them have

01:23:27.600 their shows

01:23:28.020 I don't care

01:23:28.540 for this reason

01:23:29.260 people should go over

01:23:29.980 and become subscribers

01:23:30.660 at DailyWire.com

01:23:31.460 we started on Monday

01:23:33.280 I can't tell you

01:23:33.780 much about it

01:23:34.360 on Monday

01:23:35.120 we started producing

01:23:36.460 our next feature film

01:23:37.940 it's not one that

01:23:38.620 the audience knows

01:23:39.240 anything about yet

01:23:40.000 it's not the

01:23:41.200 Gina Carano film

01:23:41.940 although that

01:23:42.440 begins production

01:23:43.340 very soon as well

01:23:44.120 and we're very excited

01:23:45.300 about it

01:23:45.740 but this is something

01:23:46.780 we haven't even

01:23:47.220 told you about yet

01:23:47.880 and Ben and I

01:23:48.500 were watching dailies

01:23:49.240 in my office earlier

01:23:50.100 it's pretty spectacular

01:23:50.440 it looks great

01:23:51.140 it's fabulous

01:23:52.320 here's a very important

01:23:53.840 question from a

01:23:54.400 DailyWire.com member

01:23:56.080 if you were an NFL player

01:23:57.720 A. what position

01:23:58.780 would you each be

01:23:59.520 and B. how would you

01:24:00.900 handle the forced

01:24:01.700 vaccination situation

01:24:02.840 Drew?

01:24:03.320 the forced

01:24:04.020 vaccination situation?

01:24:05.120 yeah

01:24:05.240 yeah well if I were

01:24:06.600 I think that I would

01:24:08.080 have to be a

01:24:09.200 defensive lineman

01:24:10.380 because I'd only

01:24:11.620 live through one play

01:24:13.180 but no one would

01:24:14.040 get past me

01:24:14.620 that would be

01:24:15.080 so I think that's

01:24:16.780 where I would have to be

01:24:17.860 fair

01:24:18.080 and yeah I'm not

01:24:19.840 I'm with you on this

01:24:21.200 I'm not for forced

01:24:22.140 vaccinations

01:24:22.660 except in certain

01:24:23.900 situations

01:24:24.760 and I think

01:24:25.920 they've got to

01:24:26.260 refuse them

01:24:26.680 I think they've

01:24:27.420 got to refuse

01:24:27.840 them en masse

01:24:28.380 in sports

01:24:29.020 yeah I mean

01:24:30.860 look at me

01:24:31.140 I'm a kicker

01:24:32.040 that's just the

01:24:33.740 reality of the

01:24:34.320 situation

01:24:34.780 every so often

01:24:35.580 I'll like

01:24:35.920 I'll be called

01:24:37.160 upon to fake

01:24:38.100 a puns

01:24:38.480 and then I'll

01:24:38.840 throw the ball

01:24:39.380 four yards

01:24:40.020 and then

01:24:40.280 that's pretty

01:24:41.540 much how that

01:24:42.000 works

01:24:42.260 I'm already

01:24:43.200 vaccinated

01:24:43.620 but I mean

01:24:45.240 obviously I

01:24:45.740 agree with Drew

01:24:46.080 I think that

01:24:46.760 the whole point

01:24:47.660 of vaccinating

01:24:48.600 is to protect

01:24:49.180 you

01:24:49.440 if somebody

01:24:50.060 else is

01:24:50.300 unvaccinated

01:24:50.900 that you

01:24:52.460 have taken

01:24:52.900 that upon

01:24:53.200 yourself

01:24:53.480 you have now

01:24:53.940 made the

01:24:54.240 choice

01:24:54.460 because

01:24:54.680 we're all

01:24:54.940 getting

01:24:55.040 immunity

01:24:55.320 one way

01:24:55.660 or the

01:24:55.820 other

01:24:55.980 you're

01:24:56.160 getting

01:24:56.320 COVID

01:24:56.600 or you're

01:24:57.000 getting

01:24:57.060 the vaccine

01:24:57.460 those are

01:24:57.900 your two

01:24:58.100 options

01:24:58.420 there's

01:24:58.640 really not

01:24:58.960 a third

01:24:59.160 option

01:24:59.420 where you

01:24:59.600 just don't

01:24:59.900 get COVID

01:25:00.340 it's here

01:25:01.240 to stay

01:25:01.560 I think

01:25:02.480 I'd probably

01:25:03.100 play third

01:25:03.560 base

01:25:03.920 if I had

01:25:04.400 to pick a

01:25:05.140 position

01:25:05.560 that's the

01:25:06.460 worst

01:25:06.740 I assume

01:25:07.560 I would

01:25:07.960 I don't

01:25:08.200 know

01:25:08.320 I'm a lefty

01:25:08.920 so maybe

01:25:09.200 first base

01:25:09.720 I don't

01:25:09.980 know

01:25:10.180 or you

01:25:10.700 know

01:25:10.800 the issue

01:25:13.220 of the

01:25:13.760 athlete

01:25:14.440 protests

01:25:15.000 is I think

01:25:15.620 the craziest

01:25:16.280 one

01:25:16.600 because these

01:25:17.720 are the

01:25:18.880 healthiest

01:25:19.720 most virile

01:25:20.920 and there

01:25:24.680 and we're

01:25:25.260 telling them

01:25:25.720 no

01:25:25.880 you

01:25:26.340 who are

01:25:27.140 are we

01:25:27.740 allowed to

01:25:28.060 say it

01:25:28.380 statistically

01:25:28.980 not at a

01:25:29.520 great risk

01:25:29.940 of death

01:25:30.360 from COVID

01:25:31.040 is that

01:25:31.360 I think

01:25:31.640 the CDC

01:25:32.040 would agree

01:25:32.640 with that

01:25:32.860 young and

01:25:33.520 healthy people

01:25:34.020 but the

01:25:35.540 reason that

01:25:36.200 they're forcing

01:25:36.720 it on them

01:25:37.080 is the reason

01:25:37.540 that they're

01:25:37.800 forcing it

01:25:38.200 on the kids

01:25:38.540 going to

01:25:38.840 school

01:25:39.060 because

01:25:39.780 it's about

01:25:40.740 the imposition

01:25:41.580 much more

01:25:42.180 than it is

01:25:42.580 about any

01:25:42.960 of the

01:25:43.180 data

01:25:43.400 although I

01:25:43.720 will say

01:25:44.000 there's a

01:25:44.860 funny line

01:25:45.320 from somebody

01:25:46.280 whose podcast

01:25:46.860 is directly

01:25:47.320 opposite my

01:25:47.860 own

01:25:48.040 John Lovett

01:25:48.520 over at

01:25:48.960 Pod Save

01:25:49.680 America

01:25:49.940 and he said

01:25:50.960 it is sort

01:25:51.600 of ironic

01:25:52.000 that the

01:25:52.340 athletes

01:25:52.740 who very

01:25:53.840 often are

01:25:54.240 turning down

01:25:54.540 the vaccines

01:25:55.020 have not

01:25:55.480 turned down

01:25:55.840 cocaine

01:25:56.160 from their

01:25:56.480 friends

01:25:56.700 Candice

01:26:01.220 quarterback

01:26:03.360 that's a

01:26:04.580 I couldn't

01:26:05.720 see that

01:26:05.940 one coming

01:26:06.260 yeah definitely

01:26:08.300 and obviously

01:26:09.920 I think

01:26:10.180 everybody knows

01:26:10.540 where I stand

01:26:10.920 on it

01:26:11.100 I think

01:26:11.420 this is

01:26:11.700 another one

01:26:12.020 of those

01:26:12.200 things

01:26:12.380 that I'm

01:26:12.720 going to

01:26:12.900 say

01:26:13.120 you give

01:26:14.260 the government

01:26:14.640 this power

01:26:15.080 now to be

01:26:15.560 able to

01:26:15.800 force vaccinate

01:26:16.500 you

01:26:16.680 something that

01:26:17.060 is not

01:26:17.440 FDA approved

01:26:18.120 in which

01:26:18.400 they have

01:26:18.680 removed

01:26:19.000 themselves

01:26:19.520 and the

01:26:19.860 vaccine makers

01:26:20.520 from liability

01:26:21.220 and you

01:26:22.100 will never

01:26:22.380 get that

01:26:22.720 back

01:26:23.040 I don't

01:26:25.200 have any

01:26:25.480 opinions that

01:26:26.040 haven't already

01:26:26.440 been taken

01:26:26.920 or any

01:26:27.660 funny answers

01:26:28.200 that haven't

01:26:28.500 already been

01:26:28.780 taken so

01:26:29.380 that's it

01:26:30.860 that's it

01:26:31.360 you're not the

01:26:32.920 coach

01:26:33.240 well I mean

01:26:34.020 in this fantasy

01:26:34.720 world where I

01:26:35.400 can actually play

01:26:35.940 football I guess

01:26:36.500 I'd be the

01:26:36.800 quarterback too

01:26:37.360 if that's what

01:26:38.160 I did

01:26:38.360 yeah yeah

01:26:39.340 I uh

01:26:40.060 if I were in

01:26:41.200 the NFL

01:26:41.700 the sport would

01:26:42.540 truly have

01:26:43.160 reached

01:26:43.420 you

01:26:43.860 Drew

01:26:47.900 what are your

01:26:48.920 thoughts on

01:26:49.420 women being

01:26:50.560 entered into

01:26:51.140 the draft

01:26:51.900 I'm entirely

01:26:53.640 opposed to it

01:26:54.320 I'm entirely

01:26:54.760 opposed to

01:26:55.320 women in

01:26:55.720 combat roles

01:26:56.380 I think that

01:26:57.420 you know

01:26:58.100 women as

01:26:58.520 ancillary staff

01:26:59.240 is fine

01:26:59.640 the whole point

01:27:00.220 of the

01:27:01.340 military is

01:27:02.280 men going

01:27:02.660 out and

01:27:02.900 killing other

01:27:03.380 men

01:27:03.660 I think that

01:27:04.620 women who

01:27:05.900 leave their

01:27:06.360 children behind

01:27:07.060 and go

01:27:07.380 overseas are

01:27:08.220 doing a

01:27:08.600 terrible

01:27:09.040 disservice to

01:27:09.740 their children

01:27:10.180 and their

01:27:10.500 families

01:27:10.860 I love the

01:27:13.100 people who

01:27:13.460 do it

01:27:13.700 I understand

01:27:14.180 that they

01:27:14.620 are service

01:27:15.080 people I

01:27:15.540 understand that

01:27:15.980 they have

01:27:16.280 served but

01:27:17.020 I think our

01:27:17.580 society should

01:27:18.560 just say

01:27:18.960 this is you

01:27:19.760 know killing

01:27:20.220 is something

01:27:21.160 that men

01:27:21.720 do you

01:27:22.720 know 95%

01:27:23.660 I think of

01:27:24.260 crimes are

01:27:24.840 committed by

01:27:25.340 men we

01:27:26.100 are the

01:27:26.440 people who

01:27:26.840 do this

01:27:27.280 stuff and

01:27:28.040 I think we

01:27:28.380 should keep

01:27:28.720 it that way

01:27:29.120 I wonder if

01:27:30.560 this would

01:27:30.900 actually be

01:27:31.680 we talk about

01:27:32.420 something that

01:27:33.020 would ignite

01:27:33.940 something within

01:27:35.240 the American

01:27:35.640 people to

01:27:36.160 actually resist

01:27:36.920 and stand up

01:27:38.020 for themselves

01:27:38.500 maybe this

01:27:40.160 because I can

01:27:40.560 tell you for

01:27:40.960 sure for me

01:27:41.520 I would

01:27:42.180 as a father

01:27:43.480 of two

01:27:43.720 daughters I

01:27:44.600 would go to

01:27:45.180 jail in a

01:27:45.560 heartbeat I

01:27:46.120 would move

01:27:46.480 from the

01:27:46.740 country I

01:27:47.780 would do

01:27:48.040 whatever was

01:27:48.560 necessary to

01:27:49.480 actually protect

01:27:50.020 my daughters

01:27:50.440 from being

01:27:50.820 drafted into

01:27:51.420 combat if it

01:27:52.620 would ever

01:27:52.880 come to

01:27:53.260 that and

01:27:54.900 I think that's

01:27:56.120 how most

01:27:56.460 people instinctively

01:27:58.060 feel I mean I

01:27:58.880 could be wrong

01:27:59.580 but of course the

01:28:00.260 problem is yeah I'm

01:28:01.260 totally opposed to

01:28:02.220 drafting women for

01:28:03.640 the reasons that

01:28:04.160 you gave this is

01:28:05.600 the whole point of

01:28:06.540 having men fight is

01:28:07.960 to protect the

01:28:09.060 women and

01:28:09.380 children but then

01:28:10.820 there's also that

01:28:11.360 sort of that

01:28:11.780 this you got to

01:28:13.980 say to feminists

01:28:14.500 this is what you

01:28:15.100 wanted this is what

01:28:15.940 you called for

01:28:16.560 you said that

01:28:19.100 you're saying

01:28:20.020 there's no

01:28:20.880 difference between

01:28:21.340 the two sexes

01:28:22.240 and it's not just

01:28:22.800 feminists saying

01:28:23.240 that the whole

01:28:23.580 left no real

01:28:24.760 significant difference

01:28:26.240 we can have men

01:28:27.040 competing against

01:28:27.620 women and track

01:28:28.360 and field and

01:28:29.280 wrestling and it's

01:28:29.860 not a big deal

01:28:30.260 and so this is

01:28:32.140 you should be

01:28:32.900 celebrating this

01:28:33.900 you should be

01:28:34.800 throwing a parade

01:28:35.500 celebrating this

01:28:36.160 because it's such a

01:28:36.720 profound statement

01:28:37.360 of gender equality

01:28:38.060 Candace I'm not

01:28:38.800 going to ask you

01:28:39.160 your opinion

01:28:39.620 because I get so

01:28:40.300 tired of people

01:28:41.020 saying well you

01:28:41.760 didn't get the

01:28:42.400 woman's opinion

01:28:43.840 about an absolute

01:28:45.780 moral issue

01:28:46.500 what are you

01:28:46.960 talking

01:28:47.260 this is the

01:28:48.340 absolute moral

01:28:48.980 issue is kind

01:28:49.540 of it because

01:28:50.020 what you always

01:28:51.120 hear from the

01:28:51.620 left they always

01:28:52.080 say they're like

01:28:52.500 well you know

01:28:53.600 but actually some

01:28:54.580 study that I did

01:28:55.800 actually shows that

01:28:56.660 women with a

01:28:57.220 certain kind of

01:28:57.700 hormone they

01:28:58.160 actually are just

01:28:58.840 as strong as

01:28:59.240 and it's like

01:28:59.680 first of all that

01:29:00.920 isn't true but

01:29:01.640 second of all

01:29:02.380 second of all

01:29:02.940 that's not the

01:29:03.700 point the point

01:29:04.760 is it's wrong

01:29:05.840 it's ugly it's

01:29:07.100 not right it's

01:29:08.260 not just to send

01:29:09.720 women to go die

01:29:11.260 in combat to

01:29:12.420 protect it's just

01:29:13.420 because men and

01:29:14.120 women are different

01:29:14.640 if there were

01:29:15.260 if there were

01:29:16.160 a truly

01:29:16.540 existential like

01:29:17.420 in the real

01:29:17.980 meaning of

01:29:18.520 existential threat

01:29:20.000 where and this

01:29:21.500 has happened at

01:29:22.100 various times in

01:29:22.740 various places where

01:29:23.540 women have had to

01:29:24.180 take up arms

01:29:24.860 sure because of

01:29:25.840 because of the

01:29:26.440 severity of you

01:29:27.460 know I watched

01:29:28.100 this Chris Pratt

01:29:29.080 film because I

01:29:29.600 absolutely love

01:29:30.580 Chris Pratt and

01:29:32.020 it was like a

01:29:32.640 200 million dollar

01:29:33.460 movie on

01:29:34.060 tomorrow war

01:29:34.580 yeah

01:29:34.760 tomorrow works

01:29:35.440 god it was

01:29:35.960 terrible

01:29:36.340 it just was

01:29:37.180 awful

01:29:37.580 I wanted it to

01:29:39.780 be good because

01:29:40.340 it's got everything

01:29:41.120 Chris Pratt

01:29:41.860 aliens

01:29:42.660 Chris Pratt

01:29:43.700 time travel

01:29:44.420 Chris Pratt

01:29:45.060 but it wasn't

01:29:46.500 great

01:29:46.780 but one of the

01:29:48.320 things that offended

01:29:48.840 me about the

01:29:49.440 film is actually

01:29:50.620 that so these

01:29:51.500 these soldiers come

01:29:52.300 from the future

01:29:52.880 and they say we're

01:29:53.940 your sons and

01:29:54.560 daughters you know

01:29:55.640 20 30 years on

01:29:56.820 and this alien force

01:29:58.500 has invaded and

01:29:59.320 it's what humanity

01:30:00.120 is down to 500

01:30:00.960 thousand people and

01:30:02.060 we have to ask you

01:30:02.860 our fathers and

01:30:03.740 mothers to come

01:30:04.340 forward to save

01:30:06.280 your progeny

01:30:07.080 basically we need

01:30:07.680 you to come

01:30:08.300 forward through

01:30:08.740 time to be

01:30:09.320 soldiers in this

01:30:10.360 existential war that

01:30:11.220 we're in and

01:30:12.720 then the next scene

01:30:13.320 is like this

01:30:13.740 montage of things

01:30:14.480 that happen very

01:30:15.000 quickly over the

01:30:15.540 next couple of

01:30:16.040 years and the

01:30:17.060 peoples of the

01:30:17.780 world mobilize and

01:30:19.300 you see like

01:30:19.920 Taliban warlords

01:30:21.600 you know going

01:30:22.300 through the time

01:30:22.940 portal and you

01:30:24.020 see you know

01:30:25.300 like people from

01:30:26.020 the people down

01:30:27.080 in the Amazon

01:30:27.540 who've been

01:30:27.900 untouched and

01:30:28.480 never met any

01:30:29.200 outside human

01:30:30.360 they go through

01:30:30.980 the time machine

01:30:31.500 and fight for the

01:30:32.000 future and you

01:30:32.460 see Americans go

01:30:33.080 through and fight

01:30:33.440 for the future

01:30:33.880 women and men

01:30:35.760 go through and

01:30:36.240 fight for the

01:30:36.520 future and I

01:30:36.940 thought it's

01:30:38.480 such a bullcrap

01:30:40.040 concept to think

01:30:41.780 that if soldiers

01:30:42.900 came through a

01:30:44.260 wormhole and

01:30:45.280 said we need you

01:30:45.760 to come save us

01:30:46.800 in the future that

01:30:47.360 the Taliban would

01:30:48.120 sign up for it

01:30:48.780 like there's this

01:30:51.000 thing that that

01:30:51.820 Hollywood does and

01:30:52.860 it's part of this

01:30:54.240 whole corruption that

01:30:54.900 we started with the

01:30:55.520 Simone Bills

01:30:55.900 conversation tonight

01:30:56.760 the entire corruption

01:30:58.000 of our society that

01:30:59.340 ultimately results in

01:31:00.300 you making women

01:31:01.340 register for the

01:31:02.020 draft is the one

01:31:03.400 that says everyone

01:31:04.560 everywhere is the

01:31:05.820 same and deep

01:31:06.860 down if we if we

01:31:08.000 all knew there was

01:31:08.540 a problem we'd

01:31:09.180 all band together

01:31:10.060 and we'd all what

01:31:10.900 you're basically

01:31:11.420 doing is you're

01:31:12.020 taking Western

01:31:12.940 values and you

01:31:15.680 are super imposing

01:31:16.880 them on people who

01:31:18.520 do not claim them

01:31:20.200 I mean to your

01:31:20.800 point earlier like

01:31:21.580 Simone Biles told us

01:31:22.820 why she didn't do

01:31:24.220 it don't you can't

01:31:25.380 take what would

01:31:26.220 have caused you to

01:31:26.980 have not people are

01:31:27.780 making all these

01:31:28.220 this is because of

01:31:29.900 the sexual abuses

01:31:30.840 that were taking

01:31:31.460 place in gymnastics

01:31:32.800 over the last

01:31:34.040 several decades

01:31:34.480 she didn't say

01:31:35.260 that you can't

01:31:36.380 it's after 9-11

01:31:37.380 when people would

01:31:37.980 say well you know

01:31:38.700 I mean Osama bin

01:31:39.740 Lan just wants to

01:31:40.240 be able to raise

01:31:40.780 his children in

01:31:42.120 peace no that's

01:31:43.500 your values and in

01:31:45.180 this instance in a

01:31:46.520 weird way and I

01:31:47.240 agree that feminists

01:31:47.980 earned it they

01:31:48.540 asked for it and

01:31:49.420 now they've received

01:31:49.980 it but essentially

01:31:50.880 what they're saying

01:31:51.560 is the values of

01:31:53.000 men should be

01:31:54.660 superimposed onto

01:31:55.660 women and that is

01:31:57.240 fundamentally

01:31:57.900 corrupting because

01:31:59.600 this would be my

01:32:00.680 controversial statement

01:32:01.340 for the night because

01:32:02.880 discrimination is

01:32:05.040 neither good nor

01:32:06.120 bad discrimination

01:32:07.520 like science is

01:32:09.100 simply a judgment

01:32:11.640 the judgment can be

01:32:13.240 used for good and

01:32:15.200 the judgment can be

01:32:16.020 used for evil if

01:32:17.860 you if you if you

01:32:19.180 make a discrimination

01:32:19.840 in which you say a

01:32:21.060 black man cannot eat

01:32:22.200 at the at the same

01:32:24.080 counter at the lunch

01:32:25.520 counter you have used

01:32:26.820 a valuable tool

01:32:27.780 discrimination for a

01:32:29.540 evil purpose if you

01:32:31.320 say women should not

01:32:32.740 be going into combat

01:32:34.460 roles and murdering

01:32:35.480 people overseas you

01:32:36.940 have used discrimination

01:32:37.780 that same tool for a

01:32:39.360 very good and noble

01:32:40.380 I think I think any

01:32:41.940 person who has

01:32:43.220 formally formally

01:32:44.160 believes a woman who

01:32:44.820 formally believes that

01:32:45.780 there are no

01:32:46.080 differences between men

01:32:46.720 and women should be

01:32:47.280 drafted I really do

01:32:48.360 call it controversial

01:32:50.340 but there's enough out

01:32:51.480 there go ahead Lena

01:32:52.360 Dunham you know do your

01:32:53.240 thing you know I'm

01:32:54.520 totally okay with that

01:32:55.420 I've been so I don't

01:32:56.680 want them actually

01:32:57.160 fighting that's a

01:32:57.860 problem I think that

01:32:58.500 the feminists should

01:32:59.320 yeah I mean I

01:33:00.500 should I think I

01:33:01.100 should have asked a

01:33:01.620 woman her opinion

01:33:02.200 I think they should

01:33:05.120 they should have to

01:33:05.780 go it shouldn't be

01:33:06.320 all women I have

01:33:06.860 acknowledged biological

01:33:07.640 differences you know

01:33:08.700 we acknowledge

01:33:09.540 biological differences

01:33:10.040 why not I think

01:33:10.640 that's the best way

01:33:11.300 for people to come up

01:33:12.680 against the truth I

01:33:13.720 say send them all

01:33:14.400 Lena Dunham Taylor

01:33:15.080 Swift I'd love to see

01:33:15.820 it

01:33:16.200 last question how do

01:33:24.040 people not see that

01:33:24.800 all those Cubans who

01:33:25.820 risked their lives to

01:33:26.780 escape actively vote

01:33:28.620 against the

01:33:29.060 progressive Democrats

01:33:29.960 and by the way this

01:33:31.220 is true for people

01:33:32.040 from Eastern European

01:33:32.840 countries who fled here

01:33:34.660 in the 60s 70s and

01:33:35.640 80s as well has it

01:33:37.180 really never occurred

01:33:38.260 to people why all

01:33:40.540 those who who escape

01:33:41.760 from communism now

01:33:42.940 lean toward

01:33:43.480 conservatism those are

01:33:45.880 bad those are bad

01:33:46.740 Latinos those are the

01:33:48.640 bad ones that's right

01:33:49.260 I mean that's the

01:33:50.140 ones that Biden

01:33:50.580 administration's

01:33:51.040 actually going to

01:33:51.560 stop from coming

01:33:52.300 the ones that actually

01:33:52.860 swim here you're going

01:33:53.760 back needs to go back

01:33:54.540 to Cuba yeah really

01:33:55.380 really important if

01:33:56.520 you're if you're

01:33:56.800 crossing the southern

01:33:57.700 border and you come

01:33:58.500 from a country where

01:33:59.100 the Democrats perceive

01:33:59.940 you to come on in

01:34:00.780 sharing their values

01:34:01.860 then you should come

01:34:02.640 on in and bring your

01:34:03.320 COVID with you and if

01:34:04.660 you are and if you are

01:34:05.400 a Cuban refugee attempting

01:34:06.460 to escape actual overt

01:34:08.220 tyranny then then you are

01:34:09.740 a bad so well said Ben

01:34:11.100 it's really it's I mean

01:34:13.400 it's I'm sorry it's it's

01:34:14.860 it's it's absurd but it

01:34:15.900 does go back to the point

01:34:16.700 that you were making

01:34:17.120 Jeremy which is that we

01:34:18.800 are so America centric in

01:34:20.180 this country that first of

01:34:21.260 all America is such an

01:34:21.900 amazingly broad country

01:34:22.800 and a big country and very

01:34:23.980 few Americans have

01:34:24.600 actually spent any

01:34:25.160 serious time abroad

01:34:25.880 like very few Americans

01:34:26.960 that's true right or

01:34:28.100 right exactly or outside

01:34:29.340 of California New York

01:34:30.280 but but it really is more

01:34:31.960 about they've never spent

01:34:32.760 any time in an impoverished

01:34:33.960 country or in a country

01:34:35.020 that doesn't share our

01:34:35.620 values and so they tend

01:34:36.600 to think okay everybody

01:34:37.600 shares our values and so

01:34:39.300 when somebody comes from

01:34:40.860 one of those countries and

01:34:41.820 then they mirror the sort

01:34:43.380 of Republican values

01:34:44.460 conservative values they

01:34:45.200 go well they're an

01:34:45.920 outlier there's something

01:34:47.080 wrong with them they

01:34:47.760 don't understand that true

01:34:48.680 communism has never

01:34:49.500 really been tried it's

01:34:50.940 like well I've noticed a

01:34:52.600 fact about the vast

01:34:53.480 majority of communists who

01:34:54.220 live in the United States

01:34:54.820 none of them come from

01:34:55.520 communist countries right

01:34:56.720 it's very pleasant to be a

01:34:57.920 communist in a capitalist

01:34:58.680 country it's very

01:34:59.680 unpleasant to be a

01:35:00.300 capitalist in a communist

01:35:01.040 country and and so the

01:35:03.000 the complete failure of our

01:35:04.520 education system to even

01:35:05.580 teach about flaws

01:35:06.840 everywhere else this is one

01:35:07.620 of the things I mean this

01:35:08.420 really ties together a lot of

01:35:09.340 things it ties together the

01:35:10.120 Olympics as well the

01:35:11.160 insanity of people from

01:35:12.680 America kneeling for the

01:35:14.580 national anthem or

01:35:15.200 protesting the national anthem

01:35:16.180 in front of the Iranians and

01:35:17.800 in front of the Chinese

01:35:18.580 government right and in

01:35:19.620 front of some of the worst

01:35:20.700 regimes on the planet and

01:35:22.860 the State Department of the

01:35:23.740 United States by the way

01:35:24.480 saying that we should

01:35:25.340 empower people at the US

01:35:26.400 embassies around the world

01:35:27.260 to explain to foreign

01:35:28.200 countries all the flaws that

01:35:29.800 are inherent in the US

01:35:30.580 system to like the Saudis

01:35:32.240 like or to the Pakistanis

01:35:33.640 the the utter madness and

01:35:35.940 navel-gazing narcissism of

01:35:38.280 our country is what's

01:35:39.000 destroying it it's that we're

01:35:40.240 we're too focused on

01:35:41.100 ourselves yeah it's not

01:35:43.300 lack of education so in

01:35:44.200 some cases it's not even

01:35:44.940 narcissism right so what

01:35:45.760 you're talking about is the

01:35:46.760 majority of students can't

01:35:47.740 point out the 50 states

01:35:48.940 right if you told them hey

01:35:50.020 could you just give me a

01:35:50.560 general area of where you

01:35:52.400 think Nebraska is they're

01:35:53.460 going downward you know

01:35:54.600 to the left they have no

01:35:55.560 idea and and it's it goes

01:35:57.260 back to what I was saying

01:35:57.860 earlier about Bill Gates

01:35:58.740 who's funding this

01:35:59.360 initiative to equitable

01:36:01.020 math so that getting the

01:36:01.900 wrong answer you get an

01:36:02.700 applause you still get

01:36:03.420 correct because it's white

01:36:04.380 supremacy to get the right

01:36:05.120 answer you know so that

01:36:06.280 that Marxism that we're

01:36:07.060 talking about seeping

01:36:07.640 through the education

01:36:08.180 system is what's leading

01:36:08.860 to this because they they

01:36:09.840 have they have they're

01:36:10.820 absent any facts they've

01:36:11.700 never left their country

01:36:12.440 many of them haven't even

01:36:13.360 left their states it's very

01:36:14.320 rare people have been to

01:36:15.240 three states yet alone to

01:36:16.640 to talk about going into

01:36:17.740 another country and

01:36:18.460 America is unfortunately

01:36:20.060 it's one of the only

01:36:21.940 countries or very few

01:36:22.940 countries where you can be

01:36:23.780 in a plane for six hours

01:36:24.760 and still be in your same

01:36:25.440 country you're allowed to

01:36:26.480 be ignorant and travel

01:36:27.440 before we before we leave

01:36:28.940 I just have to this one

01:36:29.860 off the subject for a

01:36:30.960 minute our pal Steve

01:36:32.880 Crowder who makes the

01:36:33.880 best ashtrays in the

01:36:35.360 country truly hospital

01:36:36.740 fighting for his life and

01:36:38.640 he's really come close he's

01:36:40.760 come close to the the dark

01:36:42.240 the dark edge of things and

01:36:44.580 I just want to say that

01:36:45.420 crazy as he is we love him

01:36:47.100 and we're thinking about

01:36:48.200 him that you know we hope

01:36:49.860 he makes it back you're a

01:36:51.060 better man than I am well

01:36:53.080 that's true I was actually

01:36:54.000 just looking forward to the

01:36:54.980 show being over so that I

01:36:55.940 could text him and say you

01:36:57.580 know hope you don't make

01:36:59.260 it pal you know actually

01:37:00.520 this is this is a real

01:37:01.560 story last night I had to

01:37:02.620 go for a drive because I

01:37:03.920 long story but I had to

01:37:05.000 burn down gas to take my

01:37:05.940 car into the shop and so I

01:37:07.200 was going to smoke a cigar

01:37:08.040 and you know I was going to

01:37:09.280 say my nightly prayers I

01:37:10.640 thought oh you know I

01:37:11.300 should probably pray for

01:37:12.040 Crowder you know because

01:37:12.820 he's in this I thought oh

01:37:13.900 well you know it's great

01:37:14.500 I'm going to light up one of

01:37:15.340 the cigars that Crowder

01:37:16.280 sent me yeah Crowder this

01:37:18.320 guy who's a complete

01:37:18.940 maniac he sent me these

01:37:20.460 beautiful cigars and I was

01:37:21.360 like oh pal I'm going to

01:37:22.080 send you some cigars right

01:37:22.960 away from my humidor haven't

01:37:24.740 sent him a single thing you

01:37:25.760 know but that guy he you

01:37:26.800 know really a genuine

01:37:28.180 generous fellow I actually

01:37:29.680 got enough credit I

01:37:30.360 actually did text him and

01:37:31.460 say that we were praying

01:37:32.780 for him at great risk to

01:37:34.220 our souls if he dies I

01:37:37.860 personally will kill him

01:37:38.820 you know the last thought

01:37:42.500 Ben on on what you were

01:37:43.620 saying I've had the

01:37:45.160 opportunity to travel in

01:37:46.220 the third world in developing

01:37:48.000 nations and in the third

01:37:49.260 world in Cuba in particular

01:37:51.020 in in Africa in in particular

01:37:54.880 in in Latin America in

01:37:56.300 particular and always in group

01:37:59.220 settings like I you know I

01:38:00.720 traveled in Africa in the

01:38:02.440 Middle East with actors from

01:38:04.080 Hollywood I I traveled in

01:38:05.560 Cuba Michael and I and and

01:38:07.520 encountered a lot of

01:38:08.200 Americans you know on on

01:38:09.780 the various stops that we

01:38:10.660 would make on that trip and

01:38:11.440 would engage with them

01:38:12.240 every time I've been in the

01:38:14.300 third world and and engage

01:38:16.240 with Westerners in that

01:38:17.360 setting there are two polar

01:38:21.360 opposite reactions yeah you

01:38:23.320 either look at the abject

01:38:25.480 poverty the abject despair all

01:38:28.980 around you and think my God

01:38:32.280 what have we done to these

01:38:33.220 people or you look at it and

01:38:36.180 say my God what have these

01:38:38.160 failed systems done to these

01:38:39.320 people and if you're if you're

01:38:41.920 standing in the literal the

01:38:43.460 literal pile of trash that is

01:38:46.520 Djibouti Africa I mean as far as

01:38:48.640 you can see it is it is like a

01:38:50.220 landfill from horizon to

01:38:53.120 horizon created by the French a

01:38:55.240 landfill and and people living in

01:38:57.820 it if you look at that and think

01:38:59.360 the history of slavery you've missed

01:39:02.680 the entire point of course slavery

01:39:05.740 what you should be seeing when

01:39:08.800 you look at this kind of

01:39:09.620 poverty when you see the kind of

01:39:11.060 poverty that exists people

01:39:12.100 staring down at their shoes

01:39:13.520 people in in like our driver in

01:39:15.600 Cuba wasn't allowed to go in the

01:39:16.920 hotels with us because they don't

01:39:18.580 want the people to actually see

01:39:19.680 what exists past the sliding

01:39:21.360 glass door not for Cubans it is

01:39:23.200 not for Cubans what you should see

01:39:25.460 when you see all of that is the

01:39:26.860 beauty of what we've created in the

01:39:29.000 West that flawed as it is the

01:39:30.940 beauty of what capitalism has

01:39:32.920 created flawed though it may be the

01:39:35.220 beauty of what Christianity has

01:39:36.620 created on a civilizational scale

01:39:38.740 flawed though Christians mightily

01:39:41.840 are it is a kind of hubris to look

01:39:45.980 at the suffering that exists in the

01:39:47.440 third world and think that it's

01:39:48.980 because of you it isn't because of

01:39:51.520 you it's because of these systems and

01:39:54.780 and the people in those settings have

01:39:56.560 no power to overthrow them and what

01:39:58.120 we're seeing in Cuba right now they're

01:40:00.880 not just winners in their heart they

01:40:02.840 are probably losers but by God

01:40:04.900 they're brave they are actually doing

01:40:08.000 something that puts them in actual

01:40:09.560 jeopardy and they and they will

01:40:11.840 probably fail and like Stephen

01:40:15.100 Crowder they're worthy of our they're

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The Matt Walsh Show - July 29, 2021

Daily Wire Backstage： The Commies Are At It Again

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