The Matt Walsh Show - Daily Wire Backstage： The LIBS’ New Plan... Indict The Right

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00:00:43.680 Welcome to Daily Wire backstage. We are here tonight with Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, Matt Walsh.

00:00:52.080 I am not the God King Jeremy Boring. I am Michael Knowles.

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00:01:27.980 We'll be answering a lot of questions down there after this.

00:01:30.380 I have to tell you, fellas, heavy is the neck that wears the key.

00:01:35.440 How did you get this promotion? Can I just ask that? We've never had any conversation about this.

00:01:39.140 Would you let me explain this? I can totally explain this. You ready?

00:01:42.020 He's a nepo baby. He's clearly a nepo baby.

00:01:45.900 Okay, can I give you the career trajectory of the person who sits to my right?

00:01:48.840 Here's his career trajectory here at the Daily Wire.

00:01:50.640 Here. Hired as head of social media and marketing.

00:01:53.580 He then spent the entire time as head of social media and marketing, not doing social media and marketing,

00:01:58.020 but instead fielding audition calls for TV shows and movies that never were actually filmed.

00:02:02.640 Yep. That's true.

00:02:04.540 Unfortunately, one of them was filmed. That's a story.

00:02:06.400 That's a whole different thing.

00:02:08.020 And then failed upward into having a show and now has failed upward into inheriting this seat.

00:02:13.820 That's not fair, Ben.

00:02:14.640 You forgot my 2017 number one national best-selling blank book, Lurbed by You.

00:02:20.180 Lurbed by me.

00:02:21.520 I'm to blame.

00:02:22.260 And while he had these cushy jobs at L.A., I was literally in my car in a parking garage doing a webcam video.

00:02:30.920 And you still are. You're just running away from the trans activist now.

00:02:33.300 He did do my tweets. He did do my tweets.

00:02:35.080 That's true.

00:02:35.560 He did my tweets and he did an imitation of me so good that I used to read his tweets to find out what I sounded like.

00:02:40.560 Well, I actually don't know how much longer I'm going to be here because I think we should be honest.

00:02:45.580 Well, yeah.

00:02:46.360 We have to be honest because the real reason Jeremy's not here is because he has been indicted, the God King, along with...

00:02:53.800 He's got my vote, damn it.

00:02:56.500 The leader of the political opposition, love him, hate him, feel neutral.

00:03:01.460 No one feels neutral about him.

00:03:03.800 Donald Trump has been indicted.

00:03:05.780 Is that crossing the Rubicon?

00:03:07.840 Well, I mean, it seems there...

00:03:10.600 How many Rubicons do we get to cross here?

00:03:14.040 How many rivers are there?

00:03:15.620 I mean, we're now living in, you know, just more evidence that we're living in a simulation since about 2013.

00:03:20.860 But, yeah, I mean, this is, in political terms, it is the breaking of the break glass in case of emergency for the Democrats.

00:03:29.380 I really think that it's a bit of political maneuvering by the Democrats for a variety of reasons.

00:03:34.000 It's basically all wins for them here.

00:03:36.040 If Trump gets indicted and if he gets arrested and he gets charged and he gets convicted, they get their big win, which is what they always wanted, which is Donald Trump behind bars.

00:03:43.620 If he gets acquitted, then they just claim that Donald Trump is super corrupt and that's how he was able to get out of it.

00:03:48.560 They're also jogging Republicans into voting for him in the primaries, which is obviously what they want.

00:03:52.560 I mean, the members of the media are not being shy about this.

00:03:54.420 They're just saying it out loud now that they want Trump as the nominee because they think, for better or for worse for them, they may be wrong, they think he's the most beatable.

00:04:01.300 And they also get the ratings out of it.

00:04:02.720 They're making tons of money, which is why you saw them today covering Donald Trump's plane leaving Florida and going to New York like it was the Ford Bronco and O.J. was in the back.

00:04:11.580 I mean, it really was.

00:04:12.260 It's like on every channel, it's a plane, a plane that is moving slightly.

00:04:14.980 They're like, wow, look at that plane.

00:04:16.640 It's a plane and it's made of plane.

00:04:18.680 But in reality, what they've done now is this will be the new norm.

00:04:23.440 Whatever Democrats do becomes the norm.

00:04:25.120 So back when Harry Reid was the Senate majority leader and he decided to kill the filibuster, it was only a few years until we were now putting in place a Republican nominee with a sheer majority having killed the judicial filibuster.

00:04:36.900 So if the new standard is you get to prosecute the political opposition, do you think there won't be a D.A. who's going to prosecute Joe Biden after he leaves office or a D.A. who's going to prosecute Hunter Biden as soon as you have a lot of time to prosecute Joe?

00:04:49.620 So that must be.

00:04:51.220 Yeah, maybe, you know, post post.

00:04:54.480 That seems a little.

00:04:55.140 I hope that's correct.

00:04:57.120 That seems a little optimistic to me.

00:04:58.600 I'm not sure if the I mean, that's generally the Republicans when it comes to something like this, the Rubicon is crossed and Republicans say, well, if we do it, then they're just going to escalate.

00:05:06.900 We're escalated even more.

00:05:07.720 So we're not going to act.

00:05:09.060 You know, if we were hypothetically to do this thing, they would hypothetically do to us what they are already actually doing.

00:05:17.080 Although I have to say, this is bad.

00:05:19.320 You know, I mean, when you say you've broken this, what is it, like 230 year precedent and we don't know what's in the indictment.

00:05:26.540 Nobody's read the indictment, but it better be so bad.

00:05:30.380 I mean, the guy better have machine gunned like his political enemies in a garage.

00:05:34.380 What I don't understand.

00:05:35.360 If he had, he wouldn't be prosecuted.

00:05:36.000 Yeah, not in New York.

00:05:37.320 Yeah, that's right.

00:05:37.900 That's the irony.

00:05:38.580 He literally could have shot somebody on Fifth Avenue and he would not have been prosecuted.

00:05:42.180 It is true.

00:05:43.440 What I don't understand is the charges that he paid off Stormy Daniels in 2016.

00:05:50.360 Correct.

00:05:50.560 And that this was an improper campaign contribution.

00:05:53.260 But and they're comparing it to, say, John Edwards or somebody like that.

00:05:55.840 But in this case, didn't Trump use his own money?

00:05:58.860 So if it's any kind contribution, isn't top of the check on the, you know, that little thing on the check where it says, what's it for?

00:06:04.760 Okay, so the actual case that is being made against him is a novel political theory.

00:06:10.060 So basically a novel legal theory.

00:06:12.380 First of all, let me just say his taste.

00:06:13.740 If indeed Stormy Daniels did have an affair with him, his taste in women is, as always, impeccable.

00:06:19.120 But putting that aside, the actual legal case here goes something like this.

00:06:23.860 They're claiming falsification.

00:06:25.220 They're 34 counts.

00:06:25.920 They're claiming at least falsification of business records.

00:06:28.140 The idea being that he hid on his legal records for tax return purposes this payment.

00:06:32.440 But that's a misdemeanor in New York.

00:06:33.800 Misdemeanors in New York expire after two years.

00:06:35.720 This would have happened back in 2016.

00:06:37.260 So statute of limitations would have run.

00:06:39.040 If it was a campaign finance violation in the state of New York, statute of limitations is five years.

00:06:43.480 So the statute of limitations still would have run.

00:06:45.900 So in order for them to spin this into a federal, into a charge that withstands the statute of limitations,

00:06:51.720 they have to claim that it is a misdemeanor violation of federal, of records law.

00:06:57.960 But it's linked to a crime that survives the statute of limitations, namely federal campaign finance law.

00:07:03.280 So the claim is that he bribed Stormy Daniels to shut her pie hole.

00:07:07.860 And he did it right before the election.

00:07:09.180 And he did it through Michael Cohen as a cutout.

00:07:12.620 And it should have been reported as a federal campaign contribution.

00:07:15.880 If he had reported it, like on his forms, if he had said like federal campaign contribution to Stormy Daniels,

00:07:21.500 to keep her pie hole closed, if he had done that, no problem.

00:07:24.460 But because he did it personally, this is a way of avoiding federal campaign finance law.

00:07:27.720 So he falsified the business record in order to avoid federal campaign finance law.

00:07:30.700 Now, that's a really weird theory.

00:07:32.260 Because again, that's a federal crime that should theoretically be prosecuted at the federal level.

00:07:36.260 And they're trying to wrap a state level crime that should have already expired into the federal crime

00:07:39.440 in order to make it survive the statute of limitations.

00:07:41.280 Even the New York Times says this is a novel legal theory.

00:07:43.700 Even Cyrus Vance, who was the former DA in Manhattan, who did not prosecute him,

00:07:48.640 says this is a novel legal theory.

00:07:49.820 The federal government did not prosecute him when the federal government was looking at this stuff

00:07:54.480 under both, you know, while it was Trump's DOJ, but obviously he wasn't in charge of his own DOJ.

00:07:59.740 And while it was Biden's DOJ as well, none of this really came up for debate.

00:08:05.480 And so the question is like, what is new that has arisen?

00:08:07.940 And the answer so far is nothing.

00:08:09.260 It's also reliant.

00:08:09.920 That gets to the evidentiary weaknesses of the case.

00:08:11.860 It's reliant on the testimony of essentially two people.

00:08:14.320 One, Stormy Daniels, because Trump denies that he ever had an affair with Stormy Daniels in the first place.

00:08:17.420 But there's a letter from her also kind of denying it, but also she was seeking money for it for years, right?

00:08:22.000 So there was that.

00:08:23.060 So she's not like the world's best witness.

00:08:24.680 And then the other witness is, of course, Michael Cohen, the guy who signed the check.

00:08:27.140 He's already been convicted of being a liar.

00:08:28.960 So these are not exactly like wildly locked down charges.

00:08:33.120 The thing that Alvin Bragg is counting on is something very, very simple.

00:08:36.460 This is a Manhattan jury.

00:08:37.840 End of story.

00:08:38.700 They're going to convict him, right?

00:08:40.100 And unless he gets a change of venue, they will.

00:08:41.920 Unless he gets a change.

00:08:42.760 I was talking to Alan Dershowitz today, and Dershowitz, of course, has been sort of working with the defense team for Trump.

00:08:48.920 And Dershowitz was saying that Trump is going to file for a change of venue to Long Island or to Staten Island or somewhere else that is not Manhattan.

00:08:57.240 And that if that does not happen, then the chances that he is convicted are very, very high.

00:09:01.840 Now, the chances that he goes to jail are still fairly low because, again, the penalty for this, they're going to attach a bunch of – they're going to charge 34 things and hope they get one.

00:09:09.960 Theoretically, he gets probation or something.

00:09:12.020 But it won't matter.

00:09:12.940 If he spends five minutes behind bars, then the idea for the left is that they have won.

00:09:16.880 And, again, I think this is only the beginning.

00:09:18.280 I think that now that Bragg has done this, the taboo on doing this is now over.

00:09:22.740 So I think the chances are significantly higher that the DA in Fulton County ends up indicting him on charges of trying to obstruct the 2020 election in Georgia.

00:09:30.620 I think that's the chances that are very good.

00:09:31.700 There are all kinds of things that could happen, though, that would be incredibly beneficial to Trump's candidacy, at least in the primaries.

00:09:39.300 I mean, this case could be thrown out of court.

00:09:42.060 You know, the other – the thing –

00:09:43.580 That's the worst thing that happens, Tim.

00:09:44.920 What's that?

00:09:45.300 That's the worst thing that happens.

00:09:45.940 Oh, I don't think so.

00:09:46.440 The best thing is jail time, right?

00:09:47.980 The best thing is jail time, right?

00:09:48.000 The best thing is jail time, right?

00:09:49.880 It's a win.

00:09:50.500 I think it's a win.

00:09:51.420 In the primaries, the longer this goes on, the better for him.

00:09:54.600 But it's all wins for Trump.

00:09:56.800 Right.

00:09:57.240 I'm saying that if this goes out of the headlines, people forget about it in four months.

00:10:00.740 If this doesn't get thrown out of court and this lasts as it's expected to all the way through the election,

00:10:05.240 Republican voters are going to correctly see this as a political prosecution, and then they are going to vote for him.

00:10:10.280 I'm asking you to see it in the polling.

00:10:11.120 I'm not sure I agree with this.

00:10:12.200 I understand that idea, and you may be right.

00:10:15.260 One of the things that bothers me about this is because nobody knows what's going to happen.

00:10:18.920 You want to bring an actual charge, not a novel theory, especially a theory about something that Hillary Clinton was charged, did exactly the same thing, covering up and misregistering a payoff to her lawyers to get the steal report, which was then passed illegally to the FBI, who then used it wrongly.

00:10:36.460 I mean, so all of that, and she got fined for it, so all of that.

00:10:39.780 But, you know, it is tawdry.

00:10:42.120 And if it goes on and if it drags on, Trump is now out of control.

00:10:45.980 Trump no longer, I mean, I say now out of control as if he were in control before, but he was more in control before.

00:10:51.740 He was focused on speaking for the people who felt they had not been spoken for.

00:10:56.580 That was his great genius.

00:10:57.900 That was the thing that made Trump Trump in the first election.

00:11:00.980 Now he doesn't talk about anything but the fact that he, you know, that he's been robbed.

00:11:05.300 And that gets very boring.

00:11:06.620 It becomes a kind of Lenny Bruce scenario of him standing out there reading the charges, the transcripts against him, where you just start to kind of fade away.

00:11:14.420 I don't know.

00:11:14.960 I think if this drags on, it actually could start to hurt Trump.

00:11:17.440 I'm not as sure as you are about that.

00:11:19.820 But if it's thrown out of court, it's another Trump victory the way he has done it over and over again.

00:11:24.260 I think the case that Trump has to make, because I agree with you, the risk is that his entire campaign becomes entirely about his own vindication.

00:11:31.600 And then it's not about the little man anymore, the American people.

00:11:35.600 So he has to keep making the case that, you know, they're coming after me means they're coming after you, which I think he does.

00:11:40.140 But after a while, how long can you continue that?

00:11:43.240 You know, my thing with this is, obviously, yeah, they're looking for a reason to charge him.

00:11:47.280 And we all know that if his name was Donald Smith or whatever, they wouldn't be doing it.

00:11:51.100 The only way I'd be okay with this is if we lived in a, if this is an alternate universe, and we lived in a country where we hated politicians so much that we were constantly looking for ways to put all of them in prison.

00:12:00.980 Right.

00:12:01.320 And so we're always making up new crimes.

00:12:03.500 Instead of dancing with the stars.

00:12:04.980 Right.

00:12:05.140 It's like, that world, I'd like to live in that world.

00:12:07.120 That sounds great.

00:12:07.860 And that would mean that Trump is just like number 1,000 in a line of politicians who go to jail.

00:12:11.900 But this is the one time where the system has shown any interest in holding any of these people accountable.

00:12:17.040 And it's for the most ticky tacky.

00:12:18.660 Well, the DA came into office literally saying, I will prosecute Donald Trump.

00:12:21.940 And when you do that, and then you go prosecute Donald Trump, it obviously is a political hit on him.

00:12:26.600 And again, I have a hard time believing that Democrats don't know this quite well.

00:12:30.740 Like, I don't think that they, I think they are corrupt, and I think that they are bad.

00:12:34.340 But I do not think they are stupid.

00:12:35.400 I think that this checks a bunch of boxes for them.

00:12:39.300 And again, the polls show what the polls show.

00:12:40.920 And what the polls show is that whenever Trump is hit with something like this, whether it's the FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago or whether it's this, that there is an immediate rally around the Trump effect that obviates all other candidates.

00:12:50.580 Now, as you say, it may age poorly.

00:12:52.620 It may be that in three months nobody wants to talk about this again.

00:12:55.060 And I can see that because, again, the public sort of mind shifts after about four days on every single topic.

00:13:00.760 But if it seems like there's another indictment coming down every five minutes against this guy, and it feels like the Democrats have decided to train every ounce of fire they have on him,

00:13:10.020 then the natural reaction for the Republican base is going to be, this is the person that we need to get behind.

00:13:16.100 And you're seeing that.

00:13:17.020 This is one thing that I've sensed.

00:13:18.980 And again, everybody knows my feelings about Trump, right?

00:13:21.400 I mean, I'm at best.

00:13:22.820 You love him.

00:13:23.520 He's very handsome.

00:13:24.160 I love him.

00:13:24.740 I mean, I voted for him in 2020.

00:13:27.320 If he's the nominee, I will very likely vote for him again in 2024.

00:13:30.440 But in terms of personal character, I have great ambivalence about Donald Trump as a human being.

00:13:33.960 And I don't think that his general habit is worthwhile paying off porn stars or actually, believe it or not, sleeping with them while your wife is pregnant.

00:13:39.600 I think these are bad ideas, just generally speaking in life.

00:13:42.180 But put all of that aside, the general sense in the Republican electorate is that people really, really like Ron DeSantis.

00:13:48.460 They like a lot of what he's doing.

00:13:49.600 They like that he is winning over there.

00:13:51.660 They like a lot of his policies.

00:13:52.980 But they want to love Trump.

00:13:54.240 They want to.

00:13:55.140 They want to.

00:13:56.020 And even when they don't, they want to.

00:13:57.420 And they're waiting for the moment to feel that again.

00:14:00.060 And it feels like that pretty much everything Trump does.

00:14:02.120 When he went to Ohio and he was talking to the folks in...

00:14:07.040 East Palestine.

00:14:08.460 East Palestine.

00:14:09.060 East Palestine.

00:14:09.540 Right.

00:14:10.280 The outpouring of sort of love for him and support for him in the aftermath of that, which was basically just a simple political slam dunk.

00:14:16.780 It really was.

00:14:17.420 I mean, like he did it great.

00:14:18.440 It was wonderful and good for him.

00:14:20.020 Windmill jam.

00:14:20.960 But it was not like...

00:14:21.740 And Biden didn't do it.

00:14:22.540 Right.

00:14:22.740 And Biden didn't do it.

00:14:23.280 Again, all credit to Trump for doing the thing that he could do.

00:14:26.380 And good.

00:14:27.160 But the outpouring of support for him so far surpassed anything that would have been for any other Republican candidate.

00:14:31.680 It's hard to overcome that if you're any other candidate, especially when Trump is at the center of the news,

00:14:35.700 which is, I think, why so many members of the Democratic Party, again, believing that Trump is the most beatable Republican,

00:14:40.440 are making him the center of the story again.

00:14:44.140 And, you know, we'll have to see also whether big tech even allows us to talk about the case.

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00:14:52.120 The Internet is at the frontier of a battle for control.

00:14:54.460 When powerful interests want to push their agenda, who's to say they couldn't get big government and big tech to silence any voice that doesn't fit their narrative?

00:14:59.980 Well, I mean, they do that, like, all the time.

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00:15:53.580 So I totally agree.

00:15:54.540 I totally agree on your point that when Trump was in East Palestine, it was the best he's looked because, to your point, Matt, he was not talking about himself.

00:16:02.720 He was talking about somebody else.

00:16:03.940 Everyone loved it.

00:16:04.900 And I think that the other thing that Trump is playing on right now is just contrast with the rest of the field and the rest of the GOP.

00:16:12.060 He's been releasing these policy videos, and whether you love the policy, whether you hate the policy, whether you think Trump even loves the policy, he's come out and said, everyone else wants free trade.

00:16:22.500 I want protectionism.

00:16:24.120 He used the phrase mercantilism for the 21st century.

00:16:27.980 Everyone is saying we want victory in Ukraine.

00:16:30.140 He's saying I want a negotiated peace.

00:16:31.620 Get rid of the war.

00:16:34.420 He's drawing a clear distinction with the rest of the field, and his numbers are looking good.

00:16:38.720 His numbers are way up.

00:16:40.020 Are you really going to try to spin this into Donald Trump on policy?

00:16:43.400 Yes.

00:16:43.920 No, no, no.

00:16:44.560 But it's a fair point.

00:16:46.620 You know, the only—

00:16:47.400 No, it isn't.

00:16:48.020 He's been attacking Ron DeSantis and says, Charlie Crist is a great governor of Florida, and I'm never going to reform in title.

00:16:52.420 On the other side of this, on the other side of this, as the first person in this organization to announce that he was voting for Donald Trump, right, the first person to—I'm sick of him.

00:17:00.980 And I got to be—and I get hit by this, you know, people are writing to me and they're angry at me, but I'm really tired.

00:17:06.820 The guy has become who they said he was.

00:17:09.200 And he was not always who they—you know, he actually had an idea.

00:17:12.340 Yeah, he was the guy at the end of the bar who saw things differently.

00:17:15.140 He saw things the way that people saw them.

00:17:16.860 The people had been just excoriated by the elites for 50 years, and he spoke up for them, which nobody on the Republican side had thought to do since Reagan.

00:17:26.480 I mean, it really was a big deal.

00:17:29.220 But now he's just lost that.

00:17:31.620 Maybe he can get it back.

00:17:32.980 Maybe he can recover it.

00:17:34.000 And as you say, if he's the nominee, yeah, will I vote for him?

00:17:36.740 Of course I will, because I'm not going to vote for a bunch of baby-killing child, you know, butchering maniacs, you know.

00:17:42.380 But still, still, there's something about him that is not—he's not the man he was.

00:17:46.340 Well, I mean, so one question, I think, is going to be, again, how many iterations of the he's-being-victimized narrative come up?

00:17:53.680 That's a good question.

00:17:54.800 Because if that keeps coming up, it's going to generate support.

00:17:57.100 So one of those questions is going to be, for example, I think whatever's happening now is really bad.

00:18:01.560 It's going to get exponentially worse if they issue a gag order on him.

00:18:04.340 Yeah.

00:18:04.620 If they put a gag order on this case, that is going to be such a disaster.

00:18:07.720 Because then they could put him in jail, right?

00:18:09.260 No, so if he violates the gag order, theoretically they could.

00:18:12.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm not even talking about if he violates it.

00:18:14.200 The simple fact, if they seal the indictment and then put a gag order on him as to what's going on in court,

00:18:19.720 the amount of illegitimacy that people are going to suspect inside the system is extraordinary, and they're not going to be wrong.

00:18:24.300 Can he go to the Supreme Court with that? Isn't that a conversation?

00:18:26.320 Yes, he can appeal that. He can send it up the chain.

00:18:29.140 But then the problem becomes, let's say the Supreme Court overrules the gag order.

00:18:32.400 So what does the left immediately say?

00:18:33.740 Then the left immediately says, oh, it's a Republican Supreme Court appointed by Donald Trump.

00:18:36.840 They were all supposed to recuse themselves from this case.

00:18:39.140 It's like a full-scale disaster area.

00:18:41.140 The thing that should happen here is full transparency, obviously,

00:18:44.500 but that's also the thing that the left has no interest in, in any of these circumstances.

00:18:48.300 They wonder why conspiracy theories are blooming like wildflowers in the summer, and that's the reason.

00:18:52.480 It's because you guys won't let us know what the hell is going on.

00:18:55.620 So if they gag order this case, and they say Donald Trump isn't, first of all, there's no way he sticks to a gag order.

00:19:00.120 He immediately starts spilling whatever's going on in the courtroom.

00:19:03.040 But if they gag order this thing, and they tell him you're not allowed to talk about it,

00:19:05.880 like all the wild conspiracy theories are going to be at least three-quarters justified.

00:19:10.880 It's going to be like, you don't want us to see what's going on in that courtroom

00:19:13.080 while you prosecute the leader of the opposition and the former presidents of the United States,

00:19:16.600 and perhaps the future presidents of the United States.

00:19:18.780 It's truly a mad escapade here.

00:19:21.980 So since the last time we met, there have been a number of other candidates who have declared or strongly signaled.

00:19:28.180 Asa Hutchinson.

00:19:29.200 Yeah, yeah, that's right.

00:19:29.960 Oh, fever, baby.

00:19:31.020 How can you miss?

00:19:32.080 Do we think, we're only talking about Trump and DeSantis.

00:19:35.120 Is that it?

00:19:36.060 Or do any of these kids?

00:19:36.720 That's what I think.

00:19:37.220 That's it.

00:19:37.540 I think that's it.

00:19:38.400 Because I think that's where the party is.

00:19:39.980 I think that actually is where the people, the voters are.

00:19:43.360 DeSantis hasn't even declared it.

00:19:44.560 Well, I mean, Nikki Haley is...

00:19:46.300 Nikki.

00:19:46.780 Yeah.

00:19:46.940 And she would be, in 2007, she would have been a really compelling candidate.

00:19:51.640 I mean, I think what the Republican public wants, and hopefully what they will get, is a two-person race.

00:19:58.920 Because I don't think what anyone wants, whether you're a DeSantis backer or a Trump backer,

00:20:03.080 I don't think what a lot of people want at all is anybody emerging from this primary with 37% of the vote as the nominee.

00:20:07.420 Right, yeah.

00:20:07.900 I think that is like the worst-case scenario.

00:20:10.000 I would rather have Trump just beat DeSantis straight up than have the field split eight ways from Sunday,

00:20:16.680 and everybody earns 7% of the vote, and Trump walks away with 31% of the vote.

00:20:19.700 I just don't think that...

00:20:20.300 Do you think they've learned to drop out, like, gentlemen and gentle ladies at this point, or do you think...

00:20:25.400 I think there's a lot.

00:20:26.780 I mean, you've met these.

00:20:27.940 You've met politicians.

00:20:29.220 Politicians are at least 92.8% delusional.

00:20:32.060 All of them think that they were going to be...

00:20:33.500 And the rest is ego.

00:20:34.280 Yeah, that's right.

00:20:35.320 And the rest are dead.

00:20:36.120 Every politician I've ever met who's in a position of significant power thinks that they were born to be president of the United States.

00:20:43.100 And so, since they were five, they've been dreaming about this moment, and this is their moment.

00:20:46.040 Like, do you know what kind of delusion it takes to be Asa Hutchinson and think to yourself,

00:20:49.160 as the former governor of Arkansas, with 0% support in the polls...

00:20:52.820 Best known for trancing the kids, by the way.

00:20:54.020 I was going to say, you veto.

00:20:55.520 This is my moment.

00:20:56.420 Right now is the moment that everyone is begging for some Asa right now.

00:21:00.960 One point I want to make about the politics of this thing with Trump is that I kind of disagree with...

00:21:06.120 Maybe a lot of people on this.

00:21:08.100 Because the message from Trump and from most conservatives is that Trump is the first...

00:21:13.200 This has never happened to anyone before.

00:21:14.680 Trump is the first, and so that should be the message.

00:21:16.660 Like, he's kind of the threshold that they're crossing.

00:21:21.860 And that's true in a certain way.

00:21:23.240 He's the first president they're doing this to.

00:21:24.500 But I think a more powerful message from him should be, I'm not the first.

00:21:28.080 I'm actually just another in a line that's been screwed by the system.

00:21:32.120 And then to point out and say, listen, they're doing this to me.

00:21:36.220 Fortunately, I'm Donald Trump.

00:21:37.460 I have the ability to fight back, and I've got all your support.

00:21:40.260 But think about, you know, Mark Houck, the pro-lifer in Pennsylvania.

00:21:43.760 You had federal agents drag him out of his house in front of his kids at 7 o'clock in the morning

00:21:48.340 because he was protesting outside of an abortion clinic.

00:21:50.740 I mean, the system has been doing a version of this to people for a very long time.

00:21:55.660 And for Trump to use his situation to call attention to that, I think, would be really powerful.

00:22:02.200 That'd be so out of character for him.

00:22:03.240 He should hire you to...

00:22:04.600 That'd be so out of character for him.

00:22:05.460 It'd be out of character, but that's the...

00:22:07.640 Here's the reason why, if I had to put money on it today, I would say that Trump is the nominee.

00:22:10.960 Yeah, I agree.

00:22:12.220 I agree.

00:22:12.520 And against, you know, my wishes.

00:22:15.300 Because, again, if this is a two-person race and it's DeSantis versus Trump, I will vote for DeSantis.

00:22:19.060 If the, at this point in time, barring some sort of other cataclysmic circumstance,

00:22:22.720 the reason that I think Trump has the advantage at this point is because...

00:22:27.880 Drew, this is your point.

00:22:29.040 I'm going to steal it from you, and then I'm going to ask you to expand upon it.

00:22:32.920 And that is, this is...

00:22:34.760 It's something Alan Estrin said.

00:22:35.800 This is Donald Trump's story, man.

00:22:37.620 We're all just living in Donald Trump's story.

00:22:38.960 Like, from a narrative point of view, that gun had to come off the mantelpiece.

00:22:42.240 Yeah.

00:22:42.720 Right?

00:22:42.960 Like, they've been begging for years they were going to prosecute him.

00:22:46.220 He had to be prosecuted.

00:22:47.280 Like, there was just no way that we were going to get through this entire plot line...

00:22:50.040 Of course.

00:22:50.340 ...without Donald Trump being prosecuted.

00:22:52.140 And if that's the case, if in fact there is some sort of...

00:22:56.080 Not because, like, we're all living in a novel,

00:22:58.180 but because novels tend to reflect kind of general principles about how the world works.

00:23:01.820 If the idea is that this is a plot and we're all in the middle of this plot,

00:23:04.860 this plot doesn't end before Trump gets the nomination.

00:23:06.600 And the other thing about characters in stories is the audience has to identify with them.

00:23:11.020 You can make the audience identify with a murderer if you tell the story right.

00:23:14.620 So this, what's happening to Donald Trump is what's happening to a lot of people on the right.

00:23:18.680 They're being knocked off Twitter for saying a man can't become a woman.

00:23:21.300 They're having their jobs are being taken away because they're saying things that are somehow outside the left.

00:23:27.280 They're facing 10 years prison time for posting a meme on the internet.

00:23:30.300 And they see in England people being arrested for praying silently outside of an abortion clinic.

00:23:37.660 They see a guy in Canada who gets attacked while the police look on because he had a billboard saying you can't become a man, can't become a woman.

00:23:43.860 So Trump is those people.

00:23:45.520 He is those people.

00:23:46.440 And those people are all of us.

00:23:47.800 So as a story, you're absolutely right.

00:23:49.560 It's like his, it's his story and his, and his story is our story.

00:23:52.760 And that's, that's a really dangerous thing.

00:23:54.420 So this is the craziest part of the, the, the, the craziest part of the narrative.

00:23:59.040 And I've been talking to so many of my friends about this in recent days.

00:24:01.740 Would you have thought 10 years ago that what we would be arguing about right now as the national issue coming from the White House is not only can a man become a woman, but a little, a little child can become the opposite sex.

00:24:16.240 And it is immoral and, and deeply wrong for us not to pump that kid full of hormones and potentially castrate that child days, days after a transgender identifying woman shoots up a Christian school targets and shoots up a Christian school in Nashville.

00:24:31.480 The president of the United States says we stand with the transgender community and hosts days of pro transgender, pro transing the kids events.

00:24:42.760 So it's going to turn us on to wash.

00:24:44.820 So it is, well, I, I, I will say that I think that this is so, yeah, as the person who on the panel who just said, I think that Trump is the favorite for the nomination.

00:24:53.880 This is where I would really urge people on my own side of the outs who use your brains instead of your, instead of your heart, pick the candidate who you think is likely to defeat these people.

00:25:02.300 It doesn't matter what makes you feel good when you walk into the ballot box.

00:25:04.960 What matters is whether we win.

00:25:06.420 That's really what matters because there are serious ramifications to who wins and loses these elections.

00:25:10.320 And it's not about your sense of, of personal fulfillment in how you vote.

00:25:13.720 Your vote is not about making yourself feel good.

00:25:16.160 That's how people voted for Barack Obama.

00:25:17.720 Your vote is about defeating these people because their agenda is egregiously evil.

00:25:22.360 And it really, really is.

00:25:23.700 And what we're watching right now is a left that feels, they're feeling their oats.

00:25:28.280 They feel, they are fully confident that they are in the ascendancy and that they're never going to lose again.

00:25:33.120 This is the same thing that we got in 2013 after Barack Obama won re-election.

00:25:35.820 It's the same sense of inevitability from the left that we are going to be able to win every battle because that is the only way you explain them doing something as insane as making a central plank in the democratic platform this.

00:25:47.400 Now, again, I see all the philosophical reasons why they are resonating to this message because, again, it goes to their belief in individual autonomy is the only thing that matters, that sexual identity is the only thing that matters.

00:25:57.060 Ultimate liberation.

00:25:58.220 Ultimate liberation, that male and female are arbitrary categories that have to be destroyed for the full flourishing of humanity to break forth and so we can all be remolded by government and all the rest of that.

00:26:06.920 I get all the philosophical reasons.

00:26:08.380 But politically, it is the most inept, crazy thing I've ever seen to embrace the idea that transing the children is deeply necessary and important in the aftermath of a shooting, no less, when the White House, when you had Joe Biden on tape joking about ice cream in his first press conference after this awful shooting in Nashville.

00:26:26.980 And then you had him saying, well, you know, if Josh Halley says that it should be investigated as hate crime, I guess I say the opposite.

00:26:34.580 Like, he would never talk that way after any other shooting about any other group of people except for Christians.

00:26:38.800 But that's the way he's talking about it.

00:26:40.160 That is political insanity of high order.

00:26:42.420 And the only reason that Democrats are able to get away with this is because they are in complete confidence that they will not lose again.

00:26:47.820 But that's untrue.

00:26:49.020 I mean, obviously.

00:26:49.960 I agree.

00:26:50.320 But then I think the right has to be careful, too, because we are we have an unjustifiable confidence that there is no way that they can lose, that they can win again.

00:27:00.120 And that is a lie.

00:27:01.240 They can absolutely win.

00:27:02.800 They have won before.

00:27:04.160 They will win again.

00:27:05.120 Pretending that they're the insanity and disgusting moral benightedness of their position is somehow going to defeat them is a lie.

00:27:13.320 It's obviously untrue, which means you have to run candidates who are going to win.

00:27:17.120 Stop voting based on your balls and start voting based on your brains.

00:27:19.700 This is, you know, I do know still a lot of liberal people, you know, people that I would say are left of center.

00:27:25.560 You know, they may not be far left.

00:27:27.020 They've had it with this stuff, but with the trans stuff, too, they you're saying this is not true.

00:27:31.840 This is wrong.

00:27:32.580 What they're doing to kids are wrong.

00:27:33.960 But mention Trump and they'll vote for it.

00:27:36.760 And I think this is the problem.

00:27:38.500 It's not that Trump will lose against them.

00:27:40.500 I think he's the only candidate who even could lose against them.

00:27:43.540 And I think under the circumstances, I agree with you.

00:27:45.940 But then what are they doing?

00:27:47.980 So we're saying, yeah, they're dummies.

00:27:50.040 Yeah, they're obsessed.

00:27:51.240 Yeah, they they they've they're following them.

00:27:54.420 I don't think they're dumb at all.

00:27:55.500 So you think it's but you're saying it's politically dumb to push this.

00:27:58.800 Unless you think that you are going to win.

00:28:00.500 And unless you think you have total power.

00:28:02.100 Exactly.

00:28:02.840 They believe this, Michael.

00:28:04.060 I mean, this is this these theories.

00:28:05.740 You know, you're right about these theories have been around since the 18th century.

00:28:08.620 And so they're actually working this through.

00:28:10.560 I mean, these ideas take all do take centuries to play themselves out.

00:28:14.280 Although they believe this.

00:28:15.360 I think I want to get your take on this.

00:28:16.960 I think there are sort of three categories of these folks.

00:28:19.380 They're the true believers.

00:28:20.420 Yeah.

00:28:20.640 Those are like the intellects who have decided that this is the way that the world ought to be.

00:28:23.740 And therefore, it is.

00:28:24.520 And then there are the commoners who are just doing it because they were told that they ought to do it.

00:28:28.440 And then there are the people in the middle.

00:28:29.600 And I think this is the vast bulk of the actual leadership of the Democratic Party who don't believe a word of this stuff.

00:28:33.880 They don't actually believe a word of this stuff, but they know that by creating a demand for ritualistic obeisance to these things, that you are putting skin in the game and that you are demonstrating your fealty to the broader movement.

00:28:46.040 Right.

00:28:46.160 I mean, just like every religion has things that you do.

00:28:48.780 Nicholas Taleb says this in his book Skin in the Game is that most religious ritual, whether you believe that it's true or not, that what it effectually does is it creates skin in the game.

00:28:59.540 Right. The reason that I wear a yarmulke is because I'm demonstrating to people of my own religion that I'm an adherent to that religion and to everybody else that I'm an adherent to that religion.

00:29:07.360 And we do these social signals like throughout our lives.

00:29:09.280 We do things that signal that we are members of the in-group.

00:29:11.940 The more demanding and crazy the thing you demand of somebody, the more they are part of the in-group and the more you have them essentially by the shorthairs.

00:29:18.380 Right. I mean, you can now boss them around.

00:29:19.720 If you can get somebody to do something totally nuts, like put their pronouns in their Twitter bio, you can tell them to do anything.

00:29:25.440 They've signaled that they are now a member of your crew.

00:29:27.720 And I think that that's what this is about. For a lot of these folks, for the deconstructionists, they don't actually believe the things they're saying, but they know that it's about power.

00:29:33.720 And if they can get an entire society to buy into the idea that Dylan Mulvaney is actually a woman.

00:29:37.420 Yeah. What can't they get you to do?

00:29:38.840 I think I think those are exactly the right categories.

00:29:41.180 And that third category is most of them in the Democrat Party.

00:29:44.100 And the way you know that is that most of these people are, you know, Joe Biden is 150 years old and he just started talking about this stuff a few years ago.

00:29:51.860 What did you believe up to that point?

00:29:53.060 I've been waiting for, of course, no one in the media is ever going to ask this, but it'd be nice if just one, I'd been waiting for someone to get a chance to ask one of these people, you know, you decided five years ago that actually women have penises.

00:30:05.560 What made you decide that?

00:30:07.340 What convinced you to abandon this basic belief you had your entire life?

00:30:12.280 And but of course, they were never they were never convinced.

00:30:13.960 The other point I want to make about the shooting is that if I can get a little bit of credit for being one of the early ones to understand the trans phenomenon and its centrality to the culture war, then maybe people will take me seriously when I say this next part, which is that the shooting that we saw in Nashville is it is the tip of an iceberg.

00:30:31.500 I mean, it's the beginning of something.

00:30:32.700 I really believe that what people have to understand is that and some of us who've been in this this fight for a while know some things that go on behind the scenes that that we can't.

00:30:41.080 I can't even talk about for security reasons, but these trans activists are incredibly vicious, hateful, violent.

00:30:49.340 They believe they're entitled to do whatever they want to do, whatever they feel like they need to do to people that oppose them.

00:30:56.020 They actually they are true believers.

00:30:57.300 Of course, they really do believe when they talk about genocide.

00:30:59.400 They believe it.

00:31:00.320 They really believe it because they to them, their self-perception of themselves is the only reality that matters.

00:31:06.120 And so if you say something that calls into question their self-perception, if you're not affirming them,

00:31:11.080 then you're basically killing them.

00:31:12.520 You're killing their perception of themselves, which is the same thing as killing them as far as they're concerned.

00:31:16.280 And so they think that they're that they're entitled to to lash out violently.

00:31:20.240 And that's why we need to see this this manifesto, because I think what it's going to show in clear detail is how this rhetoric.

00:31:27.520 And remember this shooter, from what we've been told, she started identifying as trans relatively recently.

00:31:33.060 So she got sucked into this cult and became violently radical in it within a short period of time because of this this this rhetoric.

00:31:43.840 The whole transgender transition, as you say, it's it's a cult.

00:31:47.440 And this is a cult like ritual.

00:31:49.240 It's a it's a ritual kind of suicide in that you are killing the person that you have been.

00:31:55.700 And in fact, they use the term literally dead name to refer to the person that they have been, who they are ritually killing, to take on a new persona with a new body, with a new identity.

00:32:07.040 And so the stakes are very, very high.

00:32:09.880 And if and if as you if, for instance, just hypothetically, one were to say that we ought to no longer believe in the ideology of transgenderism as a matter of public life, they would accuse you of genocide.

00:32:20.600 We're doing no, come on hypothetically here.

00:32:23.220 Yes.

00:32:23.680 No, no one would ever be foolish is to suggest such a thing.

00:32:27.200 But but the the stakes of that are very, very high.

00:32:30.060 And I think to your point, Ben, you said it very well.

00:32:31.660 It's part of this broader liberal movement, which is to liberate people, one, from the political order, two, from social mores, three, from the moral order, four, from the family, five, from your body to separate the self from the body, to literally to separate yourself from yourself.

00:32:52.200 And then ultimately, the last frontier there is transhumanism, right, which all of the elites are talking about.

00:32:57.440 This is not some secret agenda.

00:32:59.100 You're hearing about it from Silicon Valley, from Yuval Harari, from the World Economic Forum, which is that we're going to overcome even humanity itself and and men shall be as gods.

00:33:08.300 You know, I heard that before.

00:33:09.400 Yeah.

00:33:09.940 You know, there's an excellent documentary on Netflix now, Waco.

00:33:14.340 Have you guys seen this?

00:33:15.300 They have incredible interviews with the people who are at Waco following this guy, Koresh, who said he was Jesus Christ in the second coming.

00:33:23.140 And people believed him.

00:33:24.220 And there are people there who have now grown up, who were young people at the time, who are now grown up, who still believe that their Messiah was taken away from them.

00:33:32.180 And it's just, you know, there's a law in logic that if your premise is false, then your conclusion will necessarily be correct.

00:33:40.240 You know, so if, you know, if Knowles can fly, then the sky is green is an actual true statement.

00:33:45.660 But the opposite is also true at the same time, that if your premise is false, everything you say will make sense, but will also be false.

00:33:53.400 And I think that that is the system.

00:33:54.740 That's the reason they're so violent.

00:33:56.500 They are at war with reality.

00:33:58.200 Reality is going to come back.

00:33:59.280 It's not.

00:33:59.660 It doesn't take you.

00:34:00.160 It doesn't take you to tell them that they're not what they say they are.

00:34:02.700 They know they're not.

00:34:03.240 This is also an outgrowth.

00:34:04.620 I mean, it's a it's a narrower symptom of a broader movement that's been percolating for at least 10 to 15 years.

00:34:10.400 And that is the sort of microaggression movement.

00:34:12.080 This is the ultimate apotheosis of that.

00:34:13.700 Right. I mean, this is something that Jonathan Haidt talked about a long time ago, because what he talked about this in Cuddling of the American Mind with Greg Lukianoff was it was basically the idea that when you keep teaching people the opposite of cognitive behavioral therapy.

00:34:24.160 Right. When when people are depressed or upset and you tell them the reason you're depressed and upset is not because you need to change the way that you're addressing the world.

00:34:30.480 It's because the world has to change to adjust to you.

00:34:32.560 And everybody who does not grant you your premise about the world is doing an act of violence to you.

00:34:36.480 Right. Microaggression is what they say, not me.

00:34:38.260 That the very language of microaggressions suggests that the proper response is macroaggression.

00:34:43.900 Right. If somebody microaggresses you, you macroaggress them.

00:34:46.580 When people say things like they're about to genocide us, then it shouldn't be that much of a shock when there are people who are cracked in that population who take that incredibly literally and then go and do awful, awful things.

00:34:58.500 And again, I'm not going to say that every person who espouses transgender ideology is responsible for the murder of school children in Christian schools and any more than I'm going to say that that Bernie Sanders' ideology is responsible for shooting up a or I don't like to say names of shooters, so I apologize for that.

00:35:13.820 But but the shooter in the congressional baseball game, I'm not going to say that.

00:35:17.240 But I will say that when you raise the temperature this much, and this I have said, when you raise the temperature, when your rhetoric inherently has to raise the temperature this much, that means that your movement is going to be more dangerous than other comparable movements.

00:35:29.140 And this is one thing that you are certainly seeing right now.

00:35:32.140 And when you see the entire federal government activating behind that message, that's what's that's deeply disturbing.

00:35:39.240 Not only are they saying that it's that it's genocidal, they're now saying that you're threatening children, you're threatening children.

00:35:44.900 So it's the it's the highest form of gaslighting I've ever seen.

00:35:47.420 So, you know, we all have have children.

00:35:50.280 And the idea that the true threat to children is not allowing people to shoot them full of hormones and cut off their genitals is so insane.

00:35:57.980 It's so backwards and perverse that you'd have to be on the far left to believe it.

00:36:02.220 But the entire federal government is now promoting this with your taxpayer dollars and flying flags above government buildings.

00:36:07.080 I said on the show today, when I was growing up, there are only three flags that generally flew above government buildings.

00:36:11.780 There was the American flag, your state flag and the POW MIA sometimes.

00:36:14.340 That was it.

00:36:14.980 I can't even think of another situation in which another flag flew.

00:36:17.360 But now it's the flag of the liberal empire.

00:36:19.300 I mean, that really is what it is.

00:36:20.860 And the idea is that you must obey.

00:36:22.720 I mean, again, this is where, Matt, you're very right when you said before, and we can disagree on the iterations,

00:36:29.620 but when you've said before that that civility is the enemy of truth in these cases, that is very often correct.

00:36:34.720 Because what the left likes to do with this sort of thing is they say, if you are civil, you will go along with what we are saying.

00:36:39.440 They are not calling for civility.

00:36:41.000 They are calling for surrender.

00:36:42.120 And they're very obvious about this.

00:36:44.200 Civility is their way of getting you to surrender.

00:36:46.740 If you're just nice, if you're just nice, if you just went along with it, what harm does it do to you?

00:36:50.100 What harm does it do to you?

00:36:51.280 And then the answer is, well, I mean, you've destroyed the truth.

00:36:53.660 You've required me to lie to not only myself, but to my children.

00:36:56.900 You've decided to let a bunch of elites who don't understand or don't care to understand the basis of biology shape and mold how my children are educated.

00:37:06.500 That's not about civility.

00:37:07.380 That's about full-scale surrender.

00:37:08.560 And anybody who believes the sleight of hand that's being played right now where we're calling for civility, but what we actually want is your surrender.

00:37:14.300 Anybody who believes that all they want is a civil society from the very people who are out there shouting transgenocide and the very people who are out there saying,

00:37:22.380 you will respect us, right? There's a video from Jeffrey Marsh that crazed you, the TikTok guy.

00:37:27.940 He should be in jail for what he says on TikTok.

00:37:29.580 Right. When he's out there saying, you will respect us, he says, we are winning, you will respect us.

00:37:35.680 You don't have to agree, but you will respect us.

00:37:39.200 Respect is not something that you demand. Respect is something that is earned, where I come from.

00:37:42.860 That's exactly, and the problem is the conservatives will respond to that and say, well, yeah, we'll respect you, but we'll disagree with you.

00:37:47.200 When our response should be, no, I won't respect you.

00:37:49.240 That's correct.

00:37:49.540 I don't respect you. I don't respect anything about you.

00:37:52.020 And while they do this whole civility thing, they're actually very effective, and I'm preaching this all the time.

00:37:59.720 The left, they're very effective at using a tactic where no matter what you say, if they disagree with it,

00:38:04.900 they treat it as not only wrong, but the craziest damn thing they've ever heard in their life.

00:38:09.980 Automatically. It's insane. It's stupid. It's genocidal, whatever.

00:38:14.700 And that's actually effective because it makes people who are kind of on the fence or in the middle don't want to get involved.

00:38:20.460 They say, well, okay, well, if you're treating it like that, then there must be something wrong here.

00:38:25.320 Meanwhile, when we respond to them, what they're saying actually is the craziest damn thing we've ever heard.

00:38:30.680 And yet we lend it more legitimacy because we sit down and say, well, let's just have a civil dialogue about this and we'll listen to your point of view.

00:38:37.260 No, we should respond in a way that conveys the insanity of what they're trying to push.

00:38:45.020 One of the things I liked about DeSantis when he said, also, what's her name, Sarah Sanders in Arkansas, when she said, we didn't start this war.

00:38:52.800 Because this is the AOC thing. Like, you're culture war stuff. We want to come in and cut your children's...

00:38:57.860 Why are you so obsessed with, like, I don't know, why are...

00:39:01.560 The libs go in, they castrate kids, they mutilate kids...

00:39:06.020 They say, no, thank you.

00:39:06.920 Yeah, we say, like, hey, maybe don't do that.

00:39:09.460 I say, why are you so obsessed with us?

00:39:11.680 I'm not sure I call it face tattoo syndrome, right?

00:39:13.560 Where you go into the Starbucks and there's some weird guy with a face tattoo all over his face.

00:39:17.200 And you're looking at him because he's got a face tattoo.

00:39:19.100 He's like, what are you looking at?

00:39:20.680 I say, well, I mean, it's your face tattoo. That's what I'm looking at.

00:39:23.060 And you're like, well, why would you look at that?

00:39:24.080 Because it's a tattoo on your face around your eye. That's why I'm looking at it.

00:39:26.740 Now, because we mentioned AOC and the violence these people are threatening, I gotta...

00:39:31.880 Listen, I just...

00:39:33.240 I'm just asking questions.

00:39:35.200 I'm just asking questions.

00:39:36.580 Just asking, just asking.

00:39:38.680 Maybe, is it possible that Congress Lady Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez called for the murder of Matt Walsh?

00:39:44.600 I'm just asking.

00:39:45.200 Now, what do we know about this site?

00:39:49.060 Okay, so this is...

00:39:50.220 The speculation on the internet is that this is Zaza Demon.

00:39:56.740 At Zaza Smoka is AOC's burner account that she uses.

00:40:02.400 And there are plenty of high-profile people that have burner accounts and they use it and they...

00:40:06.140 Monsieur D'Electo, one of the famous ones.

00:40:07.880 Right, exactly, yeah.

00:40:09.680 And so that's...

00:40:11.100 And there's some...

00:40:12.780 I'll say there's interesting circumstantial evidence out there that that is actually her burner account.

00:40:19.320 And so people are looking...

00:40:20.140 Now, I think the most interesting piece of evidence is that when this claim was made that this is her burner account,

00:40:24.820 the account was deleted right away.

00:40:27.600 And my point is that if you're, you know, just your average anonymous internet troll

00:40:32.200 and people start thinking you're AOC's burner account, are you going to delete your account?

00:40:37.300 That's the greatest opportunity ever for an anonymous internet troll.

00:40:40.760 Deleted the account, so I don't know.

00:40:41.820 But there are a lot of tweets from this person, whoever it is, and one of them is wishing death on me.

00:40:46.640 Here's what I'll say.

00:40:47.220 I don't know if that's AOC or not, but according to their rules, even if it isn't,

00:40:52.320 she must denounce this threat against my life or this death wish against me.

00:40:57.340 Silence is violence.

00:40:59.020 So no matter whether she did it or not, I still think she needs to denounce it.

00:41:02.100 Okay, second question I have.

00:41:04.780 Does Jeremy have to start a beer company?

00:41:07.540 He does, right?

00:41:08.560 You can't let Bud Light get away with it.

00:41:10.160 I don't know what you guys want from us.

00:41:11.320 It's three days before Passover.

00:41:13.180 Beer is made from leaven.

00:41:14.660 I can't.

00:41:15.500 I'm sorry.

00:41:15.980 It gives a whole new meaning to the words Bud Light, though.

00:41:18.280 That's what I...

00:41:18.820 Bud Light and the loafers, if you ask me.

00:41:20.220 Yeah, Bud Light and the loafers, exactly.

00:41:22.040 Well, I mean, listen.

00:41:23.300 First of all, listen.

00:41:24.980 The beer is crap.

00:41:26.540 Bud Light, it makes perfect sense.

00:41:28.340 Bud Light is piss water masquerading as beer.

00:41:30.720 And so they hired a man masquerading as a woman.

00:41:32.540 Yeah, there you go.

00:41:33.220 Exactly.

00:41:33.700 Bud Light is...

00:41:35.060 It's trans beer.

00:41:35.860 It's rainwater that's been sitting in a tin bucket.

00:41:38.200 That's what it takes.

00:41:38.880 Now, listen, I was very lucky in that I've never cared that much for Bud Light.

00:41:42.340 And my preferred canned alcohol beverage is White Claw, which is already so gay.

00:41:48.380 Yeah, I was going to say, see who you are, guys.

00:41:50.180 I mean, it does show, again, just the power of the trans call.

00:41:54.680 Because Bud Light, their audience or their customer base, it's frat boys who drink the stuff out of red cups and beer funnels.

00:42:01.180 And then, like, 55-year-old bikers.

00:42:03.060 Like, those are the only people that do Bud Light.

00:42:04.840 And if you're a baseball game and it's all they're selling.

00:42:06.360 Yeah.

00:42:06.980 That's pretty much right.

00:42:08.480 None of these people are going to be attracted to Bud Light because Dylan Mulvaney is on the cam.

00:42:12.960 And yet they do the same thing.

00:42:13.460 It is an amazing thing.

00:42:14.260 I mean, it truly is, is that the cultural elite have decided that they are going to change their audience.

00:42:19.900 It used to be that when you were in business, you typically marketed to an audience.

00:42:22.740 Now, the idea is that you are going to make your audience better people.

00:42:25.980 And the way you're going to make your audience better people is by hiring influencers who do really, by the way, crappy imitations of women.

00:42:31.660 Let's just be real about this.

00:42:32.560 Dylan Mulvaney's imitation of a woman is horrible.

00:42:35.060 It's a horrible, it is the most stereotypical garbage.

00:42:37.320 Even in that little video right there that we just showed, Dylan Mulvaney says, it's March Madness.

00:42:42.200 And I didn't even know what March Madness was.

00:42:43.920 I thought everybody was just really busy this month.

00:42:45.860 Because no one, because women don't know what sports are.

00:42:48.700 What is the sports ball?

00:42:49.820 There's not a woman alive who knows what March Madness is.

00:42:52.780 Okay, like, can we stop pretending this isn't a man making fun of women?

00:42:56.440 It's a man making fun of women.

00:42:57.360 No, it's sexual blackfish.

00:42:59.640 It's ridiculous.

00:43:01.180 It's ridiculous.

00:43:02.120 And so Bud Light doing this.

00:43:04.040 And then they put out another can that talked about celebrate everyone's identity.

00:43:07.420 It said on the can, celebrate everybody's identity.

00:43:10.480 Like, this is your corporate overlords who have decided that they are going to change you.

00:43:14.540 That they don't like you, and they hate you, and they think that you're a bad person.

00:43:17.980 But they also think that you're too stupid to take your money away from them.

00:43:20.900 So you'll keep paying them to make garbage like this.

00:43:23.540 And it's not, like, it's infusing every area that conservatives previously thought was even quasi-safe.

00:43:29.940 Right?

00:43:30.080 So, like, beer.

00:43:30.860 That's one where it's like, you know who drinks beer?

00:43:32.980 Dudes.

00:43:33.780 You know who drinks beer?

00:43:34.640 Mostly, because just statistically, most dudes are straight dudes.

00:43:37.840 So if you're going to look at, like, the demographic of people who drink beer,

00:43:40.840 I'm going to go that Bud Light was probably a beer drunk by what?

00:43:43.840 75% straight dudes?

00:43:45.320 Minimum?

00:43:46.100 Minimum?

00:43:46.700 It's probably 95%.

00:43:47.780 95%.

00:43:48.460 Right.

00:43:48.580 Yeah, I was going real low.

00:43:50.000 I'm thinking there might be some...

00:43:50.900 Those dudes have that bad taste.

00:43:51.960 Right, exactly.

00:43:52.780 I think maybe there's some girls at the frat parties also occasionally.

00:43:55.280 But it's...

00:43:55.920 And so they decided that they're going to slap their audience directly in the face.

00:43:58.340 You know what's another one?

00:43:59.160 So the Country Music Awards featured a performance of a Hank Williams Jr. song.

00:44:05.000 Yeah.

00:44:05.580 With a woman flanked by a bunch of drag queens at the Country Music Awards.

00:44:08.960 Now, I have a question.

00:44:10.020 The constituency for country music, is that really, like, a bunch of people who are super

00:44:14.200 giant fans of drag?

00:44:15.520 Is that who the constituency for country music is?

00:44:17.700 Or is the constituency for country music typically red state Americans who vote Republican

00:44:22.700 and go to church a lot?

00:44:24.300 Like, this is not particularly hard, but the people at Country Music Awards have decided

00:44:27.360 that this is the morality that they wish to purvey.

00:44:30.080 It's the same reason the NHL decided.

00:44:31.760 The NHL is, like, the whitest, most Republican league in America, just by audience numbers.

00:44:35.740 That's just a fact.

00:44:36.540 And they decided that they were going to push Pride Nights and LGBTQ, you know, giveaways

00:44:41.840 at a hockey game.

00:44:43.100 And then they were going to, you know, put it on their sticks.

00:44:44.900 Like, this is a corporate elite who have decided that they are going to change the nature

00:44:48.760 of the country and assume that because conservatives, again, are civil and because we don't care

00:44:53.060 that much about this stuff, that we have better things to do.

00:44:55.000 We have kids.

00:44:55.640 We have things to do with our lives.

00:44:56.980 They will just ignore it.

00:44:57.900 And they figure that liberals will give them more fealty for doing this sort of stuff.

00:45:01.280 Well, eventually conservatives are going to have to pull their head directly out of

00:45:03.500 their ass.

00:45:03.860 But wait, that all ended with them teaching it in the schools once they came after kids.

00:45:08.840 See, this is the thing.

00:45:09.560 You started out a few backstages ago where you said, how stupid do you have to be to

00:45:13.700 alienate parents?

00:45:14.860 I don't think.

00:45:16.580 Remember, the press has a talent and the power to convince us that things are happening in

00:45:22.240 the country that aren't happening.

00:45:23.220 And so the real, going back to Trump, the real wild card is Trump.

00:45:29.180 Because if you take him out of the equation, I don't think they have the votes to win Dog

00:45:33.900 Catcher right now.

00:45:35.020 I agree with you.

00:45:35.420 You've got to remember that when Barack Obama was president, everybody liked Barack Obama.

00:45:40.920 He was a likable, he was a very talented politician, likable person, persona.

00:45:45.940 They lost every office in the country.

00:45:48.240 They had no people in the state, in state government when he left office.

00:45:52.400 They were, as a party, they were gone.

00:45:55.460 It's only Trump that brought them back.

00:45:56.960 And then, by the way, that's with the most charismatic guy.

00:45:59.420 Right now, there's a big dead man in the White House.

00:46:00.960 That's right.

00:46:01.420 But here's the real pessimistic take, which is that it doesn't matter anyway.

00:46:05.800 I mean, they can, I know they desperately want to win every single presidential election,

00:46:09.320 obviously, but they own the system.

00:46:12.000 So they can lose a presidential election.

00:46:13.660 We saw that with Trump.

00:46:14.660 They, you know, it was the end of the world.

00:46:16.300 Trump was in office.

00:46:17.300 And then he's out of office and they undo whatever he did within about 50 seconds.

00:46:21.960 And so they, because of this, because they can put a trans, you know, woman-faced guy

00:46:27.960 on a Bud Light can, that just shows the kind of cultural power that they have.

00:46:31.520 Yep.

00:46:31.920 And the way they run the system.

00:46:33.120 So they lose a presidential election, it doesn't really matter.

00:46:36.440 I mean, I know that we, the cope, the cope that we all need to stop with as conservatives

00:46:41.800 is we say, well, go woke, go broke.

00:46:43.860 It's not true.

00:46:44.360 But it doesn't happen.

00:46:45.220 I mean, here's the truth.

00:46:46.520 That's true.

00:46:46.920 Bud Light, they did something that's appealing to 0% of their audience.

00:46:50.980 And actually actively offends a large portion of the audience, of their customer base,

00:46:54.740 rather.

00:46:55.760 It will have no effect on them at all.

00:46:57.100 They're still going to sell the cans because part of the problem is that, you know, because

00:47:00.860 every single company is woke, we obviously can't boycott all of them.

00:47:04.660 But then, then we settle on, well, let's boycott none of them.

00:47:07.440 And then we just continue on with our.

00:47:08.420 Well, part of the problem here also is that, and this is a problem of size, is that the

00:47:12.760 people who have the most systemic advantage in avoiding go woke, go broke are the biggest

00:47:17.220 companies, meaning that, for example, I would look into starting Jeremy's Beer, right?

00:47:22.840 We would look into that.

00:47:23.700 The problem is that you need thousands of retail spots in Norsella.

00:47:26.860 You can't ship beer over state lines, right?

00:47:29.100 There are various state and local regulations about shipping alcohol over state lines.

00:47:32.520 It's spoken like a guy who considered it.

00:47:33.980 You can tell there is some conversation.

00:47:36.000 And so what this means is that because they are already established in this space, it's

00:47:41.660 very difficult to go up against them.

00:47:42.720 We can launch a chocolate company literally overnight.

00:47:44.920 We can launch a razor company literally overnight.

00:47:47.300 And that will actually throw a scare into many of these companies.

00:47:50.240 But there are some companies that don't actually have to be scared because the amount of lift

00:47:53.520 that you have to do to even compete with them is so large.

00:47:56.200 And it is the biggest corporation.

00:47:57.100 This is really important.

00:47:58.520 And I was talking to Knowles before the show about the fact that now that the Daily Wire is

00:48:02.300 what it is.

00:48:02.860 A lot of people in the conservative media space are criticizing us.

00:48:06.200 And it's typical of conservatives, right?

00:48:08.360 If you do something and you're successful at it, instead of imitating it, instead of trying

00:48:11.800 to beat it, they come after you and they start criticizing.

00:48:14.180 And so a lot of people are saying, oh, what is this thing with Jeremy's chocolates, with

00:48:18.100 Jeremy's razors?

00:48:19.180 Why are you wasting your time and misdirecting things like this?

00:48:22.540 But really, when I think about it, in some ways, Trump is the Jeremy's razors of candidates

00:48:27.960 because it's a story.

00:48:29.780 We're storytellers.

00:48:31.060 We're telling a story.

00:48:31.860 The story is not that we're going to take down Harry's razors by starting a razor company

00:48:35.740 because we're not that company, right?

00:48:37.660 The story is, this is how you do it.

00:48:39.540 You can do this.

00:48:40.680 A company could build a chocolate company, a beer company, a razor company that was dedicated

00:48:45.340 to that and take them out like that.

00:48:48.260 But they won't do it.

00:48:49.360 The conservatives will not do it.

00:48:51.300 There's something about them where they just are afraid.

00:48:53.960 Well, we're longing for a time that no longer is.

00:48:57.260 Well, that's true.

00:48:58.240 Well, that's true, too.

00:48:58.820 Right.

00:48:58.980 I mean, we're longing for a time when you could just buy beer and not have to worry about who

00:49:02.340 the spokesperson was.

00:49:03.020 Right.

00:49:03.240 But if you...

00:49:04.200 And we keep saying, why won't things go back to normal?

00:49:05.800 And the answer is...

00:49:06.260 But if you were an actual beer maker who was willing to say, I'm not going to do...

00:49:10.000 Because we're not beer makers.

00:49:10.960 We're not chocolate makers.

00:49:11.880 That's not what we're doing.

00:49:13.080 This is a story we're telling.

00:49:14.220 This is how you do it.

00:49:15.200 We're giving instructions, basically.

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00:51:14.040 I have to make a point here that as a former wannabe actor, he knows how to hold a tray like

00:51:18.740 a waiter.

00:51:20.380 That's the most important part of acting training, actually.

00:51:22.960 You put the little coat on, and you say, sir, red or white?

00:51:26.720 Absolutely.

00:51:27.500 So, I totally agree on that point.

00:51:29.820 You've got to be able to tell that story.

00:51:31.500 I agree with your point and Alan's point on the whole narrative of the election.

00:51:34.560 It kind of is just about Trump right now.

00:51:37.100 But the question then is, I've long loved the idea of, well, let's defer to the free

00:51:43.280 market.

00:51:43.920 It'll all work out and everything.

00:51:45.440 But isn't the Dylan Mulvaney, Bud Light sponsorship, is that not an indictment of the free market?

00:51:51.540 Yes.

00:51:51.920 Yes.

00:51:52.200 Well, no, come on.

00:51:53.200 I've been saying this for all this time, is that the values come first.

00:51:56.240 This is actually, to me, where the trans movement comes from, is the idea that the market is all

00:52:04.580 there is.

00:52:05.380 Adam Smith, before he talked about free markets, talked about sensibility.

00:52:10.320 And he said this was a thing that is outside the market, our ability to identify with one

00:52:14.920 another and to feel for one another.

00:52:17.160 That part, he said that was his best book.

00:52:21.460 Theory of Moral Sentiments.

00:52:22.300 Theory of Moral Sentiments, right.

00:52:23.680 He said that was his important book.

00:52:25.520 And we have forgotten that.

00:52:26.640 Not only have we forgotten it, we've overruled it, basically.

00:52:29.000 We've allowed the left to overrule it and say there is no place where the market doesn't

00:52:33.740 reach and we can market each other's love lives and inner lives, and we can't.

00:52:40.580 Capitalism is not a holistic system.

00:52:42.680 That's right.

00:52:43.040 Anybody, so I hear people sometimes say, two cheers for capitalism, right, the idea

00:52:46.880 being there are problems with capitalism.

00:52:48.400 Okay, it's not a problem with capitalism, it's a failure of the society that provided

00:52:51.820 the predicate for capitalism in the first place.

00:52:53.420 Exactly.

00:52:53.960 Okay, so saying that capitalism has failed is somewhat like saying that your plunger didn't

00:52:58.540 solve world hunger.

00:52:59.820 That's right.

00:53:00.020 Like, that's not what it's for.

00:53:01.700 Capitalism is there to make products more plentiful and cheaper.

00:53:05.680 That is what capitalism exists to do.

00:53:07.260 And it is completely neutral on the values.

00:53:09.980 Capitalism will supply you drugs in the same way that it will provide you a Bible.

00:53:13.900 Like, there's absolute values neutrality when it comes to capitalism.

00:53:17.640 With that said, there is not values neutrality to the system that undergirds capitalism, and

00:53:22.600 this is what we're about to find out, is that this is why libertarianism ends up being wrong.

00:53:26.140 Because in the end, if you undermine all of the values that underlie capitalism, namely

00:53:29.820 any level of social trust, if you undermine social trust, familial dynamism, all these things,

00:53:34.580 capitalism collapsed on itself like a dying star, there's sort of a water in which capitalism

00:53:38.560 was allowed to be created and breed.

00:53:41.360 And when you toxify that water, capitalism, too, will die.

00:53:44.960 That's not a flaw in capitalism per se.

00:53:47.040 It's a flaw in the societal systems that were exposed to a certain extent by capitalism.

00:53:52.060 The best version of this argument is made by Robert Nisbet, the sociologist in the 40s

00:53:54.960 and 50s.

00:53:55.840 He wrote a book called The Quest for Community.

00:53:57.540 And basically, the argument that he makes is that the Industrial Revolution, because it

00:54:00.680 had removed people from kinship networks and brought them into major cities and turned

00:54:04.040 them into individual economic units, as opposed to familial economic units, had separated them

00:54:08.020 off from what would have been the virtuous system in which capitalism could thrive.

00:54:11.860 Totally agree.

00:54:12.000 Which, by the way, I tend to agree with.

00:54:13.920 I mean, the idea is that for me, and I think for all of us, the reason that you earn is not

00:54:17.000 because you're an individual economic unit, and you don't purchase products as an individual

00:54:19.940 economic unit, you do it as a member of a family.

00:54:22.140 My family unit does really well because I'm out there earning, and what that means is that my

00:54:25.640 wife doesn't have to work as much because she's investing a lot of time with the kids, right?

00:54:28.460 This is why you wouldn't say that a woman who's a stay-at-home mom is economically unsuccessful.

00:54:33.180 She's part of a family unit, right?

00:54:34.260 I mean, this is why communism exists inside the household when it comes to economic sharing

00:54:37.940 of resources.

00:54:38.760 I've said this before.

00:54:39.760 Economically, I'm a communist in my own house.

00:54:41.260 I have a joint bank account with my wife, even though we do not earn remotely the same

00:54:44.120 amount of money.

00:54:44.880 And when it comes to my local community, I would say I'm more of a democratic socialist

00:54:48.240 because I know all of my neighbors, and so I know what the rules are, and I'm willing

00:54:50.760 to give a lot of money to my neighbors to help them out because they live within these

00:54:53.300 boundaries of rules.

00:54:54.100 And then as you abstract up the chain, I'm more and more of a laissez-faire libertarian because you

00:54:57.880 don't abide by my rules, so why should I pay you to not be a part of my community?

00:55:00.720 It doesn't make any sense to me.

00:55:02.100 With that said, I think that the mistake that can be made is to expect, on the one hand,

00:55:07.060 everything of capitalism, and on the other hand, to blame capitalism for the failures

00:55:10.900 of the durability of institutions that need to be rebuilt from the ground up.

00:55:15.180 Capitalism can be of incredible service if you have family values, and if those family

00:55:19.540 values work in concert with capitalism.

00:55:22.700 I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

00:55:24.080 I think the overread, the capitalism undermines family values is too much of an overread.

00:55:27.280 You're mistaking my argument, though, because I agree.

00:55:28.900 I'm not saying that that's your argument, but yes.

00:55:31.080 Because, I mean, you're absolutely right about this, that it's not the fault of capitalism.

00:55:35.360 It is the fault of Republicans or conservatives or whatever who said that capitalism and markets

00:55:40.340 were going to save everything.

00:55:41.380 You're right.

00:55:41.720 That's the fault.

00:55:42.120 It's also the fault of individuals.

00:55:44.660 I don't want to let the individual off the hook.

00:55:46.700 Going back to the Bud Light example, there's no reason at all why we can't bankrupt Bud Light

00:55:51.580 overnight.

00:55:52.120 If every person who identifies as conservative or at least isn't on board with this stuff

00:55:56.600 just said, I'm not going to buy that shit anymore, because you could sacrifice it and

00:56:01.240 it would mean nothing to your life whatsoever.

00:56:03.580 And if everyone did that, or even if 40% of people did that, they would take such a hit

00:56:07.940 that they would have to come crawling on their knees begging for forgiveness.

00:56:11.120 There's no reason why we can't do that.

00:56:12.820 We just don't.

00:56:13.620 And by the way, I think...

00:56:14.420 One other point.

00:56:16.260 Some of this is we had to take some lessons from the left on some of the things.

00:56:19.000 We talked about this before, but some of the methods that they use and the tone that they

00:56:21.920 use, we can direct it in the right direction.

00:56:25.120 And so one thing the left is very good at is they pick targets and they gang up on them

00:56:28.520 and they make an example of them.

00:56:30.260 The left is very good at making examples of people.

00:56:32.420 And we need to do that.

00:56:33.520 I think a lot of conservatives don't have the stomach for that.

00:56:36.780 But we need to find victims and make examples of them.

00:56:41.240 Maybe Bud Light's not the one because they're a big target, but some other company that goes

00:56:45.500 the woke direction, we say, you know what?

00:56:48.480 We're making this company our project.

00:56:50.380 We're going to take you down and destroy you and to make an example of you.

00:56:55.840 I think going after the big guys is the right thing because if we go after, you know, you

00:56:59.220 go after Dylan Mulvaney, who is egregious because it is sexual blackface, but still, he's

00:57:04.100 just an individual.

00:57:04.960 He's just a mentally ill individual.

00:57:06.980 You know, why should we go after him?

00:57:08.400 We should go after the big companies.

00:57:09.740 I mean, I would say both.

00:57:10.680 I'd say we go after, I'd say we make an example of Dylan Mulvaney.

00:57:13.500 But that's the point.

00:57:14.320 But I also think that he, you know, on the individual level, given that he's like a mascot

00:57:18.340 for this stuff, he does become a legitimate target of criticism.

00:57:23.060 Public figure.

00:57:23.600 He's a public figure.

00:57:24.140 We're all public figures.

00:57:24.900 We're all targets of criticism.

00:57:25.880 I'm not against criticism.

00:57:27.040 So why don't we do that?

00:57:29.380 So here's one reason.

00:57:30.860 And I think this is a really important thing.

00:57:32.900 We on the right tend to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

00:57:35.380 What I mean by that is that we will say, OK, I'm not going to buy Bud Light tomorrow.

00:57:38.740 I'm just going to buy Heineken.

00:57:40.260 OK, and then somebody will say, well, Heineken in 2015 sent a tweet that was a pro-trans

00:57:45.040 tweet.

00:57:45.740 I'll be like, oh, my God, I can't believe that I just bought Heineken.

00:57:48.240 Not the same thing.

00:57:50.000 This is not about rewarding Heineken if you need a beard tonight.

00:57:52.500 It's about punishing Bud Light.

00:57:54.000 Right.

00:57:54.440 And so I think that we need to be very careful about this, because what we very often end

00:57:57.460 up doing, well, all the companies are doing this.

00:57:59.440 Yes, but they're not all doing it equally.

00:58:01.120 They're not all making the face of their company this.

00:58:03.900 Yeah.

00:58:04.160 Right.

00:58:04.340 The one who made the face of their company this.

00:58:05.800 And it doesn't matter.

00:58:06.520 It doesn't matter.

00:58:07.100 We're all doing it.

00:58:07.660 We're going after you.

00:58:08.500 We're making an example.

00:58:09.280 I totally agree.

00:58:10.060 They're an example.

00:58:10.860 The left, this is, you know, they're going to target you and take you down, not because

00:58:14.760 they think you're actually the worst person in the world, but just because you're the

00:58:17.820 person in the crosshairs, and they've decided to make you their project.

00:58:21.020 And it tells other people that this will happen.

00:58:23.800 Right.

00:58:24.020 It's a warning.

00:58:24.420 And you know what?

00:58:24.960 I think it actually worked somewhat with the NFL.

00:58:27.740 I mean, I, who love football, I wait for the football season.

00:58:31.100 I watch football every week.

00:58:33.620 You know, I stopped watching.

00:58:34.640 I just stopped watching when they did the Colin Kaepernick thing.

00:58:37.540 They're not doing that anymore.

00:58:38.940 You know?

00:58:39.320 I mean, and when you get somebody who, like, really loves something to give it up, you've

00:58:43.900 made a mistake.

00:58:44.380 I can't have been the only person who did that.

00:58:46.000 No, I did that also.

00:58:47.420 I did that with MLB for a couple years after they did the Black Lives Matter routine in

00:58:50.060 2020.

00:58:50.560 Me too.

00:58:50.840 Can I stop doing it?

00:58:52.220 Another, here's a, to give ourselves a little pat on the back, here's a good example of

00:58:55.700 this working, Vanderbilt in Nashville.

00:58:58.860 Like, that's a good example.

00:59:00.760 There's hundreds of hospitals that are doing this stuff.

00:59:03.600 We picked, here's this one hospital where it's happening.

00:59:06.300 It's not the worst example, but it's an example, and it's really bad.

00:59:09.700 And so we're going to shut you down.

00:59:11.980 And we did.

00:59:12.980 And then that becomes, that does have, now obviously, there are many hospitals that are

00:59:16.440 still doing it, but it does have a little bit of a domino effect.

00:59:18.720 So this just shows that the strategy does work.

00:59:20.820 I mean, it's pure Alinsky, right?

00:59:22.020 I mean, Alinsky literally said that what you do is you pick a target, you personalize it,

00:59:24.760 you polarize it.

00:59:25.560 Right.

00:59:26.020 Right.

00:59:26.200 And so the idea that that's an ineffective tactic, the left has been doing this for

00:59:29.260 literally decades.

00:59:30.060 I mean, this was their program.

00:59:31.220 And also, this idea that we're always losing is false.

00:59:34.060 I mean, DeSantis just signed a concealed carry.

00:59:38.260 Constitutional carry.

00:59:38.780 And universal school vouchers, by the way.

00:59:40.500 Which makes the majority of states constitutional carry states.

00:59:45.080 It's 26 now, right?

00:59:46.020 What's that?

00:59:46.300 It's 26 states.

00:59:47.460 Honestly, I think the more important law that he signed is the universal school voucher

00:59:50.240 program in Florida.

00:59:51.200 Right.

00:59:51.360 You now get an $8,000 credit per child per year to send your kid anywhere you want to

00:59:55.200 send your kid in the state of Florida.

00:59:55.940 I'm just saying, we win a lot, you know, especially on the state level.

00:59:58.900 Well, when you focus on winning.

01:00:00.200 Yes.

01:00:00.360 Okay, so this is back to my unpopular point.

01:00:03.040 Oh, you're obsessed with the winning now.

01:00:04.320 Maybe we should win.

01:00:05.560 Maybe we should actually focus on the winning as opposed to the pissing and moaning.

01:00:08.600 Oh, you.

01:00:09.140 There's something very satisfying about the pissing and moaning.

01:00:11.140 There really is.

01:00:11.960 Especially in a time where it feels like you're doing something by pissing and moaning.

01:00:15.940 But that's not actually a substitute for victory.

01:00:18.680 It turns out there is no substitute for victory.

01:00:20.300 Victory is the thing that we actually require.

01:00:23.160 And, you know, Drew, before you're talking about, you know, we get ripped because we are,

01:00:27.160 you know, now a large company.

01:00:28.420 Well, one of the reasons we're a large company is because the people who subscribe to this

01:00:30.800 company know that we win victories.

01:00:32.780 They know that Matt is there at a signing in Mississippi where they're banning mutilation

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01:01:13.720 I interrupted you.

01:01:14.340 When it comes to when it comes to victory, the way that you win a political victory is

01:01:18.180 you make the other side the subject of the conversation.

01:01:20.480 Right.

01:01:20.860 This is the real problem right now with with what's happening with Trump.

01:01:23.920 If the subject of the conversation is Trump, Republicans are going to lose.

01:01:27.340 If the subject of the conversation is how the Democrats are literally from the White House

01:01:31.820 promoting the idea that the bravest people alive are, quote unquote, trans kids who are

01:01:35.800 not, in fact, trans kids.

01:01:37.540 These are kids who, at most, are kids virtually always with gender confusion exacerbated by

01:01:43.020 their parents who are using them as tools so that they can be more popular on social media

01:01:46.240 accounts.

01:01:47.180 You know, when the idea that's being pushed by the White House, how is that not the central

01:01:51.120 issue in any election?

01:01:52.560 It has to be the central issue.

01:01:53.760 Banks are failing.

01:01:54.820 Their inflation is out of control.

01:01:56.040 By the way, that Chinese spy balloon, remember?

01:01:57.600 The one that wasn't a Chinese spy balloon?

01:01:58.780 It was a Chinese spy balloon.

01:02:00.620 Right now, NBC News is reporting, I don't know if you saw this story, that they were

01:02:04.580 sending contemporaneous electronic signals back to China as you would because, for God's

01:02:09.460 sake, everyone had a cell phone on the planet for the last 25 years.

01:02:11.860 Of course it was.

01:02:12.840 And they were sending back actual spy information about the location of America's military assets

01:02:16.780 for like a week as it floated over the country.

01:02:18.880 And Joe Biden made excuses about how he couldn't shoot it down unless they hit a cow in Montana.

01:02:22.140 And then he shot it down off the coast.

01:02:23.760 And they said at the time, there's nothing happening.

01:02:25.800 We've protected everything.

01:02:26.780 Everything's fine.

01:02:27.260 And then it turns out it's a lie.

01:02:28.040 By the way, on foreign affairs, we just got the announcement today that Saudi Arabia is

01:02:31.740 going to be leading OPEC and Russia to cutting the oil production by a million barrels a

01:02:36.100 day and maybe more next month, which I know that we're supposed to say history doesn't

01:02:40.800 repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

01:02:42.880 And I didn't live through the Carter years.

01:02:44.880 I did.

01:02:45.660 This is so much like the Carter years.

01:02:47.760 It's just a repeat, isn't it?

01:02:49.520 Yeah, it's frightening.

01:02:50.420 And now Carter is dying and people are saying, well, was he really that bad?

01:02:54.280 Yeah.

01:02:54.760 No, he was a terrible president.

01:02:55.780 And, and, you know, this is, it's like somebody said to me, rich minister, great journalist,

01:03:02.140 really bright guy.

01:03:03.000 He said to me, this is the tuition you have to pay to learn that socialism does this to

01:03:07.080 your country.

01:03:07.660 And so every generation has to do it again.

01:03:09.620 You know, this, this is what changed my mind.

01:03:12.560 In the seventies, I was broke.

01:03:14.740 In the eighties, I started to make money.

01:03:17.180 I thought like, oh, this is better.

01:03:18.560 You know, oh, look, and there goes the Berlin wall.

01:03:21.080 Just like that old guy said, you know, it's a falling down now.

01:03:23.460 You know, after a while you start to learn some things work, some don't.

01:03:26.900 Because, you know, I, I often look at the macro political picture and I look at these

01:03:30.940 historical trends.

01:03:31.800 And so I don't focus so much on this politician or this president.

01:03:35.020 I think, oh, this is the way it's been trending for 50 or 500 years.

01:03:39.140 And that can make you forget that individual presidential administrations really can matter.

01:03:44.400 I mean, I think, I think about the overruling of Roe v. Wade in the last presidential

01:03:47.560 administration, that was actually consequential.

01:03:49.360 And then I look at, in this administration, how quickly everything is going wrong.

01:03:54.680 44% of Americans apparently are working a second job right now.

01:03:58.160 63% or somewhere thereabouts desire to have a second job.

01:04:02.660 The, the inflation is killing everybody.

01:04:04.560 Our energy is through the roof.

01:04:06.000 We're on the brink of World War III.

01:04:07.120 That happened in two years.

01:04:08.440 Yeah.

01:04:08.740 It's amazing.

01:04:09.340 It's amazing how quickly they did.

01:04:10.520 Well, and, and by the way, and I know it's beating a dead horse.

01:04:13.840 This is why if you, the next president should know what the hell he's doing.

01:04:17.400 Like, whoever gets in there, I know these are, these are now underrated qualities.

01:04:21.900 Wouldn't it be nice if the person got in and actually knew how to staff an administration

01:04:24.300 and then was able to affect permanent change?

01:04:26.480 So there's a list that came up on Twitter recently of, here's all the things that Donald

01:04:29.300 Trump has done.

01:04:29.780 It was from 2020 and it was great.

01:04:30.800 It was a list of just a wonderful amount of things.

01:04:32.840 Literally every one of those things has been reversed except for the Roe v. Wade.

01:04:35.680 That's a pretty big one though.

01:04:36.900 But I'm not, I'm not, I'm not denigrating that.

01:04:39.160 Yeah.

01:04:39.360 I'm, I'm, I'm saying that wouldn't it be nice if all the other things had actually had some

01:04:42.580 sort of lasting effect.

01:04:43.880 And the only way that you can do that is with efficiency and knowing what you are doing and staffing.

01:04:47.340 And firing people and actually changing over.

01:04:49.580 And passing laws instead of these stupid EOs.

01:04:51.620 Right, exactly.

01:04:52.240 I mean, like anything that, if, if you wish to effectuate political change, that's going

01:04:57.260 to require actual power.

01:04:58.580 And the way that you actually get power is by number one, winning elections by number

01:05:02.220 two, actually using those elections in order to change the staffing of the executive branch.

01:05:05.860 And number three, by actively gaining power in areas of culture and the economy.

01:05:10.900 And not mistreating people so that they won't vote along with you when you actually need

01:05:14.700 your, to pass along.

01:05:16.020 Right.

01:05:16.240 I mean, again, like anytime the opposition is the issue, the opposition loses.

01:05:20.740 Anytime we are the issue, we lose.

01:05:22.260 It's really not that difficult.

01:05:23.540 The math is not that tough.

01:05:24.820 Make it easy for independents to vote for Republicans and Republicans will win.

01:05:27.640 Make it very difficult and Republicans will lose.

01:05:29.460 That's exactly what happened in 2016.

01:05:30.900 In 2016, it was easier to vote.

01:05:32.720 It was, it was still not super easy to vote for Trump.

01:05:34.620 It was easier to vote for him than Hillary.

01:05:36.060 Independents broke two to one for Trump in 2016.

01:05:37.860 In 2020, they broke two to one for Biden.

01:05:40.440 So if it's a rematch, do you think they're going to break two to one for Trump again?

01:05:43.600 Can I, can I, I don't want to be the down person on this.

01:05:46.720 You know, usually I'm the more hopeful one and Ben is the down person.

01:05:49.380 Yeah, that's true.

01:05:49.740 But a friend of mine who will remain nameless suggested that we might have a real structural

01:05:57.320 problem, not just from 2020, but 2024 and for the foreseeable future, which is Democrats

01:06:01.900 are very, very good, especially with the new rules of mass mail-in ballots and all the rest

01:06:05.480 of it.

01:06:05.680 They're very good at ballot harvesting.

01:06:07.720 So the answer to that is always, well, we Republicans just need to get better at ballot

01:06:11.500 harvesting.

01:06:12.080 Okay.

01:06:12.500 Except their voters are in a handful of cities, very densely populated areas.

01:06:17.180 Our voters are spread out throughout the country and all of the rural areas that, that we just

01:06:21.880 can't do it.

01:06:22.920 It's not geographically possible.

01:06:24.960 Please someone give me a little bit of hope that I'm wrong.

01:06:27.840 Well, I-

01:06:28.240 Florida.

01:06:29.060 Yeah, well-

01:06:29.420 Florida's your hope.

01:06:30.220 All the, all the, all the cities in Florida, Miami is, is slightly, slightly like almost red

01:06:35.120 now.

01:06:35.780 Um, but Fort Lauderdale is very, very blue.

01:06:39.160 Um, I believe Jacksonville is blue.

01:06:40.940 But didn't Florida have an influx, you know, like a million conservative voters or something

01:06:44.800 like that?

01:06:45.040 Yeah.

01:06:45.160 It turns out good governance is a pretty good solution.

01:06:46.580 But also, but also it happens to be that the Florida Republican party, they've run that

01:06:50.560 thing like clockwork.

01:06:51.300 I mean, they, they, they really have the, the, the, the, like DeSantis said months in

01:06:56.320 advance, I don't like mail-in balloting, go vote right, right now by mail.

01:07:00.700 Everybody that I know voted early in the last election, including me, everyone, right?

01:07:04.540 Every, every right winger in Florida was, was leaping to get to the ballot box just that

01:07:08.640 their vote would be counted, which is what Republicans need to do everywhere.

01:07:11.540 But if you can vote early, go vote early.

01:07:14.360 If you can mail-in ballot, mail-in ballot, like go do all these things.

01:07:17.620 By the way, this, this happened in California too.

01:07:19.080 In California in 2020, there were a bunch of districts in Orange County that were supposed

01:07:24.280 to go red and they went blue because of all of the ballot harvesting.

01:07:26.880 And by 2022, Republicans had sort of figured it out.

01:07:29.360 And a lot of those counties then started to go red again.

01:07:31.740 And so Republicans were able to minimize their losses or retain seats where they weren't going

01:07:35.840 to before.

01:07:36.580 So I don't buy the idea that it's all about, you know, schlubs who are driving around with

01:07:39.860 their cars and that's really what's going to make the difference in the elections.

01:07:42.120 The biggest thing is stop dissuading your voters from voting.

01:07:45.260 Stop it.

01:07:45.800 And also, also build.

01:07:47.280 No, but I agree.

01:07:48.620 I completely agree with that.

01:07:50.020 And I don't agree with this guy, your friend, because I think that Republicans have not historically

01:07:56.180 built organizations and you can build organizations even if your voters are spread out.

01:08:01.040 New York is a perfect example.

01:08:02.640 There is no Republican Party in New York.

01:08:04.240 There's only individual Republicans who rise.

01:08:06.940 And when they rise, as we saw last time with Lee Zeldon, you know,

01:08:09.860 you can take people up with you.

01:08:11.120 But they don't build parties.

01:08:12.660 They're always individualistic.

01:08:13.960 And that's not the way to do it.

01:08:15.220 How about build a party that actually wants to win elections?

01:08:17.080 So here I'm speaking to you, Arizona Republican Party.

01:08:19.400 How about Arizona Republican Party?

01:08:20.720 How about you get your head out of your colon and start trying to focus in on who can win

01:08:24.320 an election?

01:08:25.100 How about that?

01:08:25.800 And maybe fix the voter machines in America.

01:08:28.280 That's all fine and good.

01:08:29.460 And also, how about you nominate?

01:08:31.040 Like, that's fine with me.

01:08:31.920 Good.

01:08:32.380 Clean up everything.

01:08:33.140 Also, run candidates who can win elections.

01:08:35.500 This is not.

01:08:36.220 Why are we pretending that this is rocket science?

01:08:37.780 It's not rocket science.

01:08:39.260 Somehow, Katie Hobbs, who has all the charisma of a wet sponge, became governor of that state.

01:08:43.880 And that was not because of voter fraud.

01:08:45.480 I'm sorry it wasn't.

01:08:46.700 Yeah.

01:08:46.920 It's just a lot of questions about the voting machines in America.

01:08:49.340 Let me put it this way.

01:08:50.540 If you're spending every election cycle, if you spend every election cycle from now until

01:08:53.540 the end of time complaining about the voting machines, this means you're losing an awful

01:08:56.700 lot.

01:08:57.020 Yeah, but can't you?

01:08:57.760 You can also focus on cleaning that up a little bit.

01:09:00.100 I already said.

01:09:00.680 Go for it.

01:09:01.260 Have at it, man.

01:09:02.160 Go for it.

01:09:02.900 You should.

01:09:03.460 That's all fine.

01:09:04.240 That's dandy.

01:09:04.960 Also, run good candidates in areas that make it easier to vote for the candidates.

01:09:09.160 At least, at the very least, when you wake up the next morning and you've lost, you'll

01:09:11.940 say it wasn't the candidate.

01:09:13.560 How about that?

01:09:14.060 How about run candidates where you don't wake up the next morning and go, man, we probably

01:09:16.520 shouldn't have nominated Don Balvik in New Hampshire.

01:09:18.640 Let me ask you, you whippersnapper something.

01:09:23.020 When people online, when people on Twitter and social media are coming on and saying,

01:09:29.160 Ben will say this, and there'll be people who come on and say, no, you don't understand.

01:09:33.440 They stole the election and we have to go back and litigate that election until we die,

01:09:37.840 you know?

01:09:38.700 Are those left-wingers?

01:09:40.300 I think some of them are.

01:09:41.180 Some of them are.

01:09:41.800 Not all of them, though.

01:09:42.860 Yeah.

01:09:43.320 Some of them are me.

01:09:44.120 No, I don't know.

01:09:45.040 I don't think we should relitigate old elections, but I do think we need to be pretty clear-eyed

01:09:49.540 about this, which is that there are shenanigans in every election, and sometimes there are

01:09:53.280 significant shenanigans, and when you shut the country down for a year and you change

01:09:57.140 all the election rules, you know, it's more like...

01:09:59.080 No, that's true.

01:10:00.040 Hugh Hewitt wrote a book back in, like, 2007, and he said, the title of the book was something

01:10:04.760 like, this isn't the exact title, but it was, Win by Enough, They Can't Steal It.

01:10:08.620 Right.

01:10:08.740 Yes.

01:10:09.220 Yeah.

01:10:09.540 Right?

01:10:09.800 How about that?

01:10:10.680 How about that?

01:10:11.140 How about stop pretending that, like, if you lose by 6 million votes instead of 7 million

01:10:15.160 votes, we'll eke out a victory?

01:10:16.220 How about we actually go for just straight-up win?

01:10:18.200 Yeah, it's like, we were talking about the NFL before.

01:10:21.060 Analogy is, everyone knows, after a game, the side that's complaining about the refs is

01:10:26.580 the side that's lost.

01:10:27.900 That's right.

01:10:28.340 But it's also true that in the NFL, they've got a problem with the refs.

01:10:30.680 They have a lot of really bad refs.

01:10:31.700 No, you're right.

01:10:32.260 So, you have to do both, but at the same time, you don't want to put yourself in a position

01:10:35.320 where you have to be the one complaining about the damn refs.

01:10:37.340 Right.

01:10:37.700 So, that's a similar thing here.

01:10:39.020 Again, they're giving, it's such a target-rich environment that the fact that we even have

01:10:41.620 to argue over this stuff is completely insane to me.

01:10:44.100 Yeah.

01:10:44.460 I mean, if you look at the polls of the American people on how many Americans actually think

01:10:48.260 a man can be a woman, it's minuscule.

01:10:50.780 Yeah.

01:10:51.020 That number is really, really...

01:10:52.180 That's how they phrased the poll, though, we discovered.

01:10:54.520 Oh, really?

01:10:55.060 Yeah, I mean, the transactors will pass around these polls and say, look, 60% are in favor

01:11:00.960 of gender-affirming care, that sort of thing, but you have to...

01:11:03.100 Well, right, because gender-affirming care is the biggest crap in human history.

01:11:06.780 Gender-affirming care, sex-denying care.

01:11:08.460 I believe there's always the greatest thing about euphemisms.

01:11:10.920 The minute you explicitly state what is happening, they censor you, because there is literally

01:11:15.540 no way to explain what gender-affirming care is without talking about full-on destructive

01:11:19.540 mutilation of people.

01:11:20.660 Well, and there's also the phenomenon that Steven Pinker talks about of the euphemism

01:11:23.940 treadmill, which is why they always have to change the words and the phrases.

01:11:27.760 I beat Steven Pinker.

01:11:28.420 I talked about this years before Steven Pinker.

01:11:30.260 Did you really?

01:11:30.880 Yes, absolutely.

01:11:31.640 Well, so there's this plagiarist named Steven Pinker who talks about...

01:11:34.720 And the idea is that when there's something that is bad or something that people don't

01:11:40.840 really like, then you will use a new euphemism to make it sound a little bit better.

01:11:44.540 But the underlying reality colors that euphemism.

01:11:47.820 So at a certain point, you just have to cycle through the euphemisms.

01:11:50.380 But the advantage to them is that as they cycle through the euphemisms, the euphemism that's

01:11:55.180 like two euphemisms back becomes the one that the other side uses because they think...

01:12:00.200 So a good example is for this...

01:12:02.240 I forget what firm it was, but they put this poll out, the trans activists were celebrating

01:12:06.220 it, and it was something like 60% support gender-affirming care.

01:12:09.160 And obviously, those 60% are people who most of them don't even know what that means.

01:12:13.300 They hear, well, gender-affirming sounds good.

01:12:16.220 Well, people responded, I think it was a Rasmussen poll.

01:12:19.660 And they said, well, look at this poll.

01:12:20.900 It shows the numbers are flipped because they phrased the question honestly.

01:12:24.440 And it did show the numbers flipped.

01:12:25.500 It was 60% against.

01:12:27.380 But the question they posed was, do you support sex change surgeries for minors?

01:12:33.040 Which is a more honest question.

01:12:34.620 But even that is a euphemism.

01:12:35.800 Because you can't change your sex.

01:12:36.620 Because you can't change sex.

01:12:38.220 But that becomes now the honest way of phrasing it.

01:12:41.360 That was just the euphemism they used in the 90s.

01:12:42.920 Correct.

01:12:43.220 If the question were, do you support cutting the penises off of minors?

01:12:46.240 The answer would be 0% plus Joe Biden.

01:12:50.780 Do you support chemically castrating and sterilizing kids?

01:12:54.620 There's got to be a couple of serial killers who go for that.

01:12:56.540 Yeah, exactly.

01:12:57.620 Are you in favor of carving a fake vagina into the flesh of a minors?

01:13:00.720 Yes, I am.

01:13:02.060 Isn't this why they win?

01:13:03.620 I mean, I actually do think this is why there was blowback to my speech at CBAC.

01:13:06.440 Is because I think the libs thought they had won the transgender issue.

01:13:11.300 And that now we were only going to debate, do you trans the kids at 8?

01:13:14.120 Or do you wait until they turn 9?

01:13:15.920 And what I called for is, no, it's just not true.

01:13:19.240 That's not how human nature works.

01:13:20.580 And so we should have a clear view of human nature.

01:13:23.160 And, you know, it's not 5-year-olds going into the women's bathroom.

01:13:25.920 Except with their mothers at an airport or something.

01:13:28.140 You know, it's 25-year-olds and 35-year-olds.

01:13:30.020 And we just have to decide.

01:13:31.040 Maybe we're going to live in a country where men who identify as women get to use the women's bathroom.

01:13:35.220 But what that necessarily means is that women no longer get their own bathrooms.

01:13:39.720 Or we're going to live in a society where women get their own bathrooms.

01:13:42.560 But that necessarily means that men who identify as women don't get to go into those bathrooms.

01:13:47.300 How are we going to relitigate that?

01:13:51.260 Because I think there are a lot of conservatives who say, you know, you do you, I do me.

01:13:55.080 I don't want to touch that kind of stuff.

01:13:57.160 Let's just talk about the kids.

01:13:58.200 Talk about the kids.

01:13:58.880 I totally agree with you.

01:14:00.120 That's part of the, you know, I think it's a good strategy right now.

01:14:05.220 I mean, the most urgent moral issue when it comes to this are the kids.

01:14:08.360 The fact that they're doing this to kids, it's all the more grotesque.

01:14:11.660 And the trans kid is the new idol of the left, right?

01:14:14.880 But to me, it's also an incremental thing.

01:14:16.880 Like, let's deal with this.

01:14:18.200 Let's ban this.

01:14:19.160 We have a lot of momentum there.

01:14:21.720 But it doesn't, as far as I'm concerned, it's not like after that's done, if it is done.

01:14:26.000 It doesn't obviate the argument.

01:14:27.000 I also believe, and I've always said, I don't think doctors should be doing this to anyone.

01:14:34.480 It's like, obviously, it's not okay for a doctor.

01:14:38.020 Obviously, it's not okay to do it to a 15-year-old.

01:14:39.600 It's also not okay to do this to a 35-year-old.

01:14:41.280 You've got a 35-year-old walking in there who's clearly confused.

01:14:43.860 I mean, if somebody is asking to have their penis filleted to create a fake vagina, that is a horrible image.

01:14:51.340 That's what it is.

01:14:52.160 That's what it is.

01:14:52.840 It just went blind.

01:14:53.380 What a verb.

01:14:54.340 Yeah, you can't even say it out loud without cringing.

01:14:56.940 So that just shows that someone asked for that.

01:14:58.440 It already is clear that they're in some kind of mental distress.

01:15:01.120 So for a doctor to say, yeah, I'll do that for you if you pay me X amount of money is obviously medical malpractice.

01:15:08.400 And the female issue.

01:15:10.120 To me, women are at the core of this.

01:15:12.280 I mean, more and more women are waking up and finding out that the sexual revolution really left them out in the cold,

01:15:18.140 that feminism has really denied them their own identity,

01:15:21.020 that the idea that men shouldn't have their own private clubs now means that women can't even have their own sports.

01:15:27.000 You know, things that it's interesting that the transgender movement is more and more becoming a question of men pretending to be women.

01:15:34.300 There's not that many.

01:15:35.480 You don't see a lot of women pretending to be men joining men's sports.

01:15:38.580 I mean, that's just not happening.

01:15:39.740 But this is a feminist, I hate to use the word because I'm so opposed to feminism, but it is a feminine issue.

01:15:48.240 The idea that women don't exist may be the single most offensive idea in the history of offensive ideas.

01:15:55.000 The idea that 50% of this country does not exist as who they are.

01:15:58.640 And because men have big mouths and because we're the guys who do the talking so much of the time,

01:16:03.840 these women are being drowned out.

01:16:05.400 I mean, they're being beaten up in New Zealand by guys pretending to be women and the police stand by and do nothing.

01:16:11.460 Well, it was just Women's History Month and all the big awards during Women's History Month went to men.

01:16:16.480 How incredibly offensive is that?

01:16:18.720 You know, I mean, it's like and we who are men who love women, who have women that we love in our lives.

01:16:23.620 You know, we have to understand that this is an assault on them.

01:16:26.220 This is a genuine attack on the fact that they exist.

01:16:29.800 It's an attack on gay people.

01:16:31.560 You know, gay people who are people who like the same gender now no longer exist.

01:16:35.200 The assault goes on for both sides because it's actually, it's actually,

01:16:38.080 that's one of the interesting parts of this phenomenon is that,

01:16:41.460 is that when it comes to the adults that are going into the sports and the locker rooms,

01:16:46.340 that does focus on men who identify as trans.

01:16:49.760 But adolescence, you know, 12 through 18,

01:16:54.380 that's almost all girls.

01:16:57.460 Right.

01:16:57.960 I don't know what the numbers are exactly, but it's vast majority are girls.

01:17:00.960 Right.

01:17:01.420 And then I don't, I don't know if there are numbers on this,

01:17:03.020 but it seems to me anyway that if you go younger and you're talking about five and six year old trans,

01:17:07.360 trans kids, so often it seems to be boys.

01:17:10.340 So that's an interest.

01:17:11.720 It's like it's, it goes, it's boys.

01:17:13.280 And then, and then when it's adolescence here, it's almost all girls.

01:17:15.540 Because it's rapid onset gender dysphoria when they're adolescent.

01:17:17.580 Right.

01:17:17.680 So everybody using social media and it's all these girls who are feeling very insecure

01:17:20.340 and feeling uncomfortable in their own bodies as they, as they go into puberty.

01:17:23.560 And so they are going online and figuring out that the reason that they're feeling uncomfortable in their own body

01:17:27.980 is because they're actually a member of the opposite sex.

01:17:29.660 I mean, this has been pretty well documented by Lisa Lipman and also by Abigail Schreier.

01:17:33.440 And the, the, I mean, this, this all makes sense.

01:17:35.480 Listen, what this is, they push for androgyny.

01:17:38.640 Right.

01:17:38.800 When you push for androgyny, the victims are men and women.

01:17:41.340 Right.

01:17:42.800 Everybody else is fine.

01:17:44.260 Right.

01:17:44.480 Everyone else.

01:17:45.120 And androgyny is the end.

01:17:48.340 So the, the cold biblical comfort that I take from all of this is that a society that does

01:17:52.080 this is going to not exist.

01:17:53.440 Yes.

01:17:53.780 For generations.

01:17:54.420 And so we can all argue about it and we can all fight back against it, but let's, let's

01:17:57.400 be real about this.

01:17:58.520 This is not a society that can, that is either durable or can reproduce itself just on a

01:18:02.340 pure kind of numerical level.

01:18:03.600 It's just not going to happen.

01:18:04.600 Right.

01:18:04.720 I mean, it's literally a movement that sterilizes people.

01:18:07.920 So the, the, the danger of course is on the individual level of ideological grooming in

01:18:13.040 the schools, people taking advantage of your kid and wrecking your kid, but on a civilizational

01:18:16.340 level, no, there's, there's no durable civilization that can be rooted in anything remotely like

01:18:21.080 this, which, which, so again, that that's cold comfort because when you actually love

01:18:25.280 the civilization, we'd like to see the civilization preserved and you're watching all of its key

01:18:28.700 tenets undermine.

01:18:29.420 But I, I would also add though, that, that, you know, just, just like birth control changed

01:18:34.580 the sexual landscape pretty soon, they're going to have mechanical wombs.

01:18:38.980 And if women don't establish that they are in fact a thing, a, an actual thing, they're

01:18:44.340 going to be obsolete.

01:18:45.220 And I think that that's a really frightening future because it's not a human future.

01:18:49.920 And I think that I'm, I'm all for solving the problems of humanity as long as we don't

01:18:53.680 solve humanity in the process, you know, I think the problem of humanity, I think humanity

01:18:57.940 is worth preserving.

01:18:59.260 And I think this is something that's coming down the pike.

01:19:01.620 I mean, I'm leaving town before you guys have to deal with it.

01:19:04.700 I'll be the, again, I'll be the, the pessimistic optimist about all this, which is that's a very

01:19:08.140 expensive process.

01:19:08.940 And the people who want kids are very limited in Western society right now.

01:19:11.860 Yeah.

01:19:12.100 The number of people who are willing to put up tens of thousands of dollars to mechanically

01:19:14.760 create a child in a fake womb.

01:19:16.400 It turns out, you know, it's a really cheap, easy and fun way.

01:19:19.080 You know, it turns out there's a really, really great way that mammals have been doing it

01:19:23.180 for legitimately all of history.

01:19:25.180 And, and it's, it's affordable for everyone as it turns out and way more enjoyable.

01:19:29.620 And I remember all the rest of the civilizations will be doing exactly that thing as they

01:19:33.600 reproduce, reproduce us out of existence.

01:19:35.100 But back in 2012, I remember the potential 2012 presidential candidate, Mitch Daniels,

01:19:41.680 I asked him once, I said, how can we beat the liberals?

01:19:44.500 And he said, well, there's two ways you can out argue them or out breed them.

01:19:47.140 And the latter is more fun.

01:19:48.140 So one thing that people have been suggesting is that one option is we just sort of head out

01:19:54.140 to our own communities.

01:19:55.800 The Benedictine option.

01:19:56.740 The Benedictine option.

01:19:57.660 And that's what we're about to do here right now.

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The Matt Walsh Show - April 04, 2023

Daily Wire Backstage： The LIBS’ New Plan... Indict The Right

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