The Matt Walsh Show - Daily Wire Backstage： The Red Wave

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00:01:33.040 in such fashion. I want to talk a little bit, though, about the election. Obviously, this is

00:01:38.780 what is on everyone's mind. We're only two weeks out from what I think. I know you guys may not

00:01:44.860 think this. It's probably there's an original contribution. It may be the most consequential

00:01:49.040 election of our lifetime. I tried to trademark that today. It was consequential. Anyway, a very

00:01:54.360 important midterm election if ever there was one. And because we're going to be covering live here

00:02:01.220 at dailywireplus.com on election night, as we are wont to do, we'll get together. We'll have Candace here

00:02:06.320 with us. We'll have also the Daily Wire news crew with us, John Bickley and team from the Morning Wire

00:02:13.120 and Election Wire will be joining us. I asked them if they would stop by tonight, maybe give us a chance to

00:02:17.420 ask them a few questions about what's happening during the election and what their predictions are,

00:02:22.000 what it's looking like. And so I want to welcome them to the show. Here we have Cabot Phillips and John

00:02:26.420 Bickley. It's John Bickley and team. John Bickley and all. Small team. Yeah. Hey, yeah, we're excited about

00:02:35.340 election night. And the polling is fascinating. The debates this week were kind of incredible. We saw

00:02:42.060 something last night we've never seen before with this Fetterman debate. It was stunning. It was

00:02:46.400 alarming in many ways. But what we're seeing here is there's a red wave coming. A red wave coming

00:02:54.240 might be a tsunami certainly in the House. The question is the Senate. And we've been tracking

00:03:00.720 this in terms of the polling. We've got some original polls, some exclusive polls with Trafalgar

00:03:06.520 Group, that have been very fascinating, very enlightening. But we've also looked at some

00:03:11.140 other polling. The Harvard poll that came out a couple of weeks ago, I think, defines this election.

00:03:17.380 It summarizes it for people. What is this election about? It is an election about the misprioritization

00:03:25.280 of the Democratic Party with what the voters prioritize. And if you look at this Harvard poll,

00:03:32.120 it asked voters, hey, what do you prioritize? What are the most important to you? The top three,

00:03:38.860 inflation, jobs, immigration. Then it asked, what do the parties prioritize? What do you think

00:03:46.400 the parties prioritize? And you have a perfect alignment of the Republican Party with those

00:03:51.720 priorities. Immigration, inflation, jobs. The Democrats, there's not a single issue within

00:03:58.140 the top four of the prioritized issues. January 6 is number one for Democrats. January 6. Maybe dead

00:04:09.080 last in the poll. Abortion, that was number five, still not in double digits for people in terms of

00:04:15.200 priority. And climate change, those were the top three for Democrats. The Democrats looking back on this

00:04:22.260 this election cycle are going to say, we misprioritized. And it's not even about, hey,

00:04:29.300 do people like your answers? Do you even care about the issues that voters care about is the

00:04:35.620 question here. So that's something very fascinating. We saw that last night in one of, we were just

00:04:39.180 talking before the shows, in one of the debates, the question of crime came up and the Democrat just

00:04:43.900 blew off even the importance of the question. You had Lee Zeldin, this Republican who shockingly is

00:04:50.260 leading, at least according to some polls in New York. And I know, I mean, I've worked Republican

00:04:54.840 campaigns in New York. There are a lot of Republicans and conservatives in New York,

00:04:58.560 and they almost never really make it over the finish line, especially at statewide races.

00:05:03.400 Zeldin's doing very well right now over Hochul, and he kept hammering crime. And Zeldin has been

00:05:08.620 almost the victim of some pretty serious crimes recently. And Hochul's response, of course, was,

00:05:13.520 Lee, why do you keep bringing this up? Why is this so important to you? Why do you care about

00:05:18.200 putting people in jail? And I just think, if you're a New Yorker, I don't care how blue you

00:05:23.140 are, you've got to listen to that and say, man, this lady has no clue.

00:05:25.760 And literally pushing people in front of subway trains in New York City. I mean,

00:05:28.280 crime is a massive issue in New York. And Hochul blew it off like it was nothing. You saw this,

00:05:33.720 by the way, across the board. There's another debate that people aren't paying attention to,

00:05:36.080 which was the Tudor Dixon-Gretchen Whitmer debate over in Michigan. And Whitmer was getting

00:05:40.500 hammered over and over and over again by Tudor Dixon on her handling of COVID. And this,

00:05:44.520 to me, has always been the elephant in the room. People are still really ticked,

00:05:48.640 and they should be ticked, about how they were handled by their local government

00:05:51.040 during COVID. And the economy and inflation and jobs and immigration, a lot of this actually is

00:05:56.400 still proxy for the COVID policies that locked everybody in their house and the rage that people

00:06:00.500 feel. Yeah, and all the money that they printed to try to cover it up. Yeah, exactly. Inflation is

00:06:04.180 a result of that. Exactly. And so when Whitmer had no answers for that, Tudor Dixon is now running

00:06:09.140 within spitting distance of Whitmer. A month ago, Tudor Dixon was running 10 points behind,

00:06:14.380 12 points behind. Now that's looking like a two, three, four-point race. And you have Chank Uygur

00:06:18.980 out in Los Angeles, our old stomping grounds, saying that he's going to vote for the former

00:06:23.700 Republican for governor. For mayor. I'm sorry, for mayor. Over Karen Bass, who was theoretically going

00:06:29.640 to be the VP pick for Joe Biden. She was one of the finalists for that VP. There's an incredible hit

00:06:33.900 on the press, too. Now, the latest Gallup poll, 7% of people trust the press. They invited,

00:06:39.820 after that shooting outside of Zeldin's house, they invited him outside to talk. The press said,

00:06:44.440 would you come outside and talk to us? So he came outside and talked. And the first question was,

00:06:47.440 why are you politicizing this incident? You invited me out here, you know? And the press just looks

00:06:53.980 so clownish, trying to cover for these guys, trying to cover for Fetterman, who was falling apart.

00:06:58.700 But it's a real blow to them. And I think, like, nobody's paying attention to John Durham because

00:07:03.760 he keeps losing these stupid little cases he's bringing. But he's destroyed the press in court

00:07:09.280 and just shown how dishonest they are. And at this moment, they look just awful.

00:07:12.680 There's a real worry, though, especially watching the Fetterman debate, obviously. I actually didn't

00:07:17.420 make jokes about it on my show today because the guy has brain damage.

00:07:19.740 It's almost impossible to make jokes. On my show, I went in wanting to make jokes.

00:07:24.300 Wait for my show.

00:07:25.120 I'll wait for your show.

00:07:26.120 I did make jokes, so I don't know. I'm the worst.

00:07:28.460 Okay.

00:07:28.880 Now, these palace monsters at the end of the...

00:07:31.000 I went in thinking I was going to make jokes. And I watched two clips of him. And then I watched

00:07:34.820 three clips of him. And then I watched four clips of him. And suddenly, it turned from

00:07:38.120 this is comic into, this is actually quite tragic.

00:07:40.320 But he's also... But my defense of making jokes is that he has put himself...

00:07:44.220 Oh, 100%.

00:07:44.460 It's like with Biden. He's put himself in this position because of his thirst for power.

00:07:48.180 And as I also brought up that, you know, it's... He is responsible for that,

00:07:53.260 but it's also the Democrat Party putting him there.

00:07:54.680 And his wife.

00:07:55.240 And his wife, exactly. His wife. I think Jill Biden and Fetterman's wife are just

00:08:00.240 failing in their responsibility to...

00:08:02.320 This is a unique aspect of the American Democrat Party that they genuinely, and not just of recent

00:08:08.500 vintage, but for most of my life, they've taken the position that if you run someone and they are

00:08:14.080 actually incapable of serving, it is perfectly acceptable just to give the job to their spouse.

00:08:19.580 Right.

00:08:20.120 I genuinely don't understand...

00:08:21.320 Do you know the guy who won, I guess, an Oscar, an Emmy for that Don't Look Up, the one about...

00:08:25.740 David Zerota.

00:08:26.200 Yes. He actually sent out a tweet saying, you know, being a senator is not hard.

00:08:30.620 But, you know, he can say yay or nay just as well as any of the other senators.

00:08:34.780 And he said, he actually said, it has nothing to do with character. It has to do with just what they vote for.

00:08:39.920 I thought, so voting for Donald Trump is fine.

00:08:42.460 So, on one hand, we're told that if we give the election to Republicans, it's the end of democracy and the end of civilization.

00:08:49.700 But on the other hand, police jobs don't even matter, so give it to a brain damage.

00:08:52.320 I will say, though, in his defense, foreign policy is made by the bureaucracy.

00:08:56.620 Most domestic policy is made by the bureaucracy.

00:08:59.140 Frankly, I don't know, even a man with brain damage might be able to be a senator.

00:09:02.820 A lot of these guys are making the case, frankly, for direct democracy.

00:09:05.180 I mean, if the basic idea is that we don't even bother electing people to exercise independent judgment,

00:09:08.780 it's just a straight-up vote, then why don't we just online poll everybody and we can decide what to do as a country?

00:09:14.080 I do want to ask the election wire guys, you know, looking at the polls right now,

00:09:19.360 I've seen some ballpark figures on the chances that the Republicans take the Senate.

00:09:22.600 You've seen Nate Silver, for example, say that he thinks it's a 50-50 toss-up.

00:09:25.880 But it seems like the momentum is moving pretty strongly in the direction of the Republicans.

00:09:29.220 Can you give us a quick rundown on the closest Senate races and what those look like right now?

00:09:33.400 Yeah, so Republicans are coming in right now knowing they're going to get at least 48.

00:09:37.260 That's assuming you throw in North Carolina and Ohio, which got very close over the summer.

00:09:41.780 They were clarified as classified as toss-ups.

00:09:43.980 Republicans have pulled ahead there.

00:09:45.260 So they're coming in at 48.

00:09:47.240 Essentially, of the last five toss-up states, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia,

00:09:53.000 Republicans need to win three of those five states if they're going to get to 51.

00:09:57.100 And as you guys have talked about, as crime and the economy are increasingly on the minds of voters,

00:10:01.980 you see them coming up the most in the debate.

00:10:03.480 As we've seen Dobbs and that ruling really fade over the summer, more and more people

00:10:07.940 prioritizing crime in the economy, that's what's driving this Republican optimism that

00:10:12.860 we've seen lately.

00:10:13.840 And now you're starting to see the polls reflect that.

00:10:15.660 And all five of those states now, Republicans are either tied in the lead or within one or

00:10:19.800 two points.

00:10:20.100 But Cabot, is it too late?

00:10:22.140 I mean, one of the tricks that the Democrats have pulled over the last couple of election

00:10:25.520 cycles is pushing off things like debates, where the voters get to actually hear from candidates,

00:10:30.920 until well after voting actually begins.

00:10:33.940 I mean, we've essentially destroyed even the concept of an election day.

00:10:37.280 Have too many people voted for the tightening polls to play in Pennsylvania?

00:10:40.040 That's a great point.

00:10:40.880 In Pennsylvania.

00:10:41.360 You've had voting in Pennsylvania since September.

00:10:43.000 500,000 people at least in Pennsylvania have already voted.

00:10:46.660 The good news is, though, if you look at some of the early voting totals, Republicans

00:10:50.700 are well ahead where they were in 2020.

00:10:53.640 Even in Georgia, well ahead where they were in 2021.

00:10:56.440 So there's been a huge uptick in the number of people voting early.

00:10:59.680 A lot of that's because of after COVID, a lot of people voted for the first time remote.

00:11:03.220 They said, oh, I kind of like this.

00:11:04.200 Let's keep doing that.

00:11:05.080 But you've got to think a lot of that has to do with people being fired up to vote.

00:11:08.420 And Republicans in Georgia, for example, they're making up a much higher portion of the early

00:11:13.260 vote than they were in 2021.

00:11:15.020 So it might be too late.

00:11:17.100 It remains to be seen.

00:11:18.520 But Republicans shouldn't be too discouraged if they see a lot of these early voting numbers

00:11:22.580 coming in.

00:11:22.980 Will Stacey Abrams be able to hang on to this governor?

00:11:27.820 Interesting point brought up by Robert Cahaly from Trafalgar.

00:11:31.320 He said he thinks a lot of Republicans are voting early because of suspicions about how

00:11:36.760 votes are cast and counted.

00:11:38.660 Yeah, I'm more worried about the votes that come in at 2 a.m.

00:11:40.760 after they shut down the...

00:11:41.960 That could backfire.

00:11:43.500 That entire strategy could backfire on Democrats in this election cycle.

00:11:47.300 I think a lot of Republicans are also thinking like I'm thinking, well, I don't know what

00:11:50.200 election day is going to bring.

00:11:51.100 Am I going to be busy or whatever?

00:11:51.860 I went and voted two days ago because I was just like, I want to make sure that I'm not

00:11:55.000 busy.

00:11:55.280 I mean, I'm going to be here, right?

00:11:56.200 We're going to be covering this stuff.

00:11:57.260 So I actually went and voted with my wife.

00:11:58.560 We got our votes in as fast as we possibly could.

00:12:00.980 One of the things that's really fascinating is the kind of clarification.

00:12:04.540 This is pretty typical.

00:12:06.080 As you get closer to the election, the mind really begins to clarify about two, three weeks

00:12:09.460 out from the election.

00:12:10.100 You start to see the polls really start to tighten.

00:12:11.860 This happens nearly every election cycle.

00:12:13.520 Exactly.

00:12:14.120 And in this one, you've really seen that happen in a major way.

00:12:16.760 And all of the trends are moving in one direction.

00:12:18.660 This is why people are talking about a wave.

00:12:19.760 A wave only moves in one direction.

00:12:20.980 And so if you look at these races, there are a bunch of races that seem like they were

00:12:23.780 out of reach and they're no longer out of reach.

00:12:26.640 And some of these races, which frankly, Republicans should probably lose given the candidate quality.

00:12:31.020 And here I'm mentioning Herschel Walker, who's large segments of whose voter base might be

00:12:35.280 his children.

00:12:37.860 Herschel Walker could easily be dragged across the finish line by not only the fact that

00:12:41.680 Raphael Warnock is not, but also by the fact that Brian Kemp is dramatically outrunning

00:12:45.260 Herschel Walker and Stacey Abrams.

00:12:46.640 Remember, Stacey Abrams was supposed to be the president of the universe, according to

00:12:50.260 Star Trek.

00:12:51.540 And Stacey Abrams is getting crushed by Brian Kemp.

00:12:53.740 Brian Kemp is up somewhere between six and ten points.

00:12:55.780 You want to see the red movement in this country.

00:12:58.340 Florida is an amazing example.

00:12:59.980 Ron DeSantis won his seat in 2018, the gubernatorial seat.

00:13:02.740 He won that by 30,000 votes over a meth addict who was caught with a gay prostitute in his

00:13:07.640 hotel about six months later and now is under indictment by the DOJ.

00:13:10.680 He won that race by 30,000 votes.

00:13:12.000 He's currently up in the polls, 11 points in the average.

00:13:14.700 It's not in one poll.

00:13:15.260 It's in the average.

00:13:15.920 There's a poll that had him up 14 today.

00:13:17.640 I mean, so Ron DeSantis is running away with that.

00:13:19.280 Marco Rubio is supposed to run in a competitive race with Val Demings.

00:13:21.600 He's up six points in that particular race.

00:13:23.620 When you look across the board, a lot of these races, Warnock was in the summer, he had like

00:13:28.440 somewhere between a four and a six point lead over Walker.

00:13:31.800 That is now a dead heat.

00:13:33.120 You look at Oz and Fetterman.

00:13:34.580 Fetterman, six months ago, had like a 10 point lead on Oz.

00:13:38.200 And now the polls are showing Oz either dead even or ahead.

00:13:41.860 Blake Masters is an amazing example of this, right?

00:13:43.720 Blake Masters is running six points behind Mark Kelly.

00:13:45.980 Suddenly Blake Masters is running absolutely within margin of error in Arizona.

00:13:49.360 And Carrie Lake, who Democrats made an enormous mistake because they backed Carrie Lake thinking

00:13:53.160 that if they backed an election denier, then suddenly she was going to lose the main election.

00:13:56.900 The problem is that she's amazing on TV.

00:13:58.660 She's done a great job.

00:13:59.580 She's terrifically charismatic.

00:14:00.920 And she could easily drag Blake Masters over the finish line.

00:14:03.380 And then they're the unsung heroes, right?

00:14:04.960 Adam Laxalt, people are now taking his seat for granted.

00:14:07.000 That's in Nevada.

00:14:07.700 By the way, Nevada's going to go Republican.

00:14:09.220 It's going to have a Republican governor.

00:14:10.160 It's going to have a Republican senator.

00:14:11.300 Ron Johnson, he was expected to lose that seat.

00:14:13.120 He's going to win that seat walking away in Wisconsin.

00:14:16.300 So now they're talking maybe Don Balduck is competitive against Maggie Hassan in New Hampshire.

00:14:21.640 That race was supposed to be over.

00:14:22.880 So when you see all the trends moving in one direction, it means you're going to start

00:14:26.780 to see some weird people winning.

00:14:28.780 And so what I'd be interested in actually from both the election wire guys and you guys,

00:14:32.840 do you have any sleeper picks?

00:14:33.700 And my sleeper pick is Zeldin over Hochul.

00:14:35.240 I think Zeldin's going to win that race.

00:14:37.940 The reason I think that Zeldin's going to win that race is because you look at New Jersey

00:14:42.480 in the last election cycle, right, where Phil Murphy won his last race by 13 points.

00:14:47.080 And suddenly she had a rally.

00:14:48.860 Nobody even knows how to pronounce his name.

00:14:50.480 He comes within a whisker of almost beating Phil Murphy in that race.

00:14:53.840 Who in New York is enthused to go vote for Kathy Hochul?

00:14:56.400 Who?

00:14:56.680 I mean, nobody even knows who she is.

00:14:57.800 No one ever has voted for her.

00:14:58.920 That's exactly right.

00:15:01.020 She's run out of spots where she can inherit them because somebody can't keep their pants

00:15:03.820 zipped.

00:15:04.220 Like there's literally no one until now.

00:15:06.320 It was like she was in Congress and now she needs to elevate.

00:15:09.160 So whoever is above her has to she has to gain that seat because the guy can't keep his

00:15:12.160 pants zipped or he gets involved in a corruption scandal.

00:15:13.880 Same thing with the governorship.

00:15:15.120 Well, now there's no place to fail upward to.

00:15:17.460 So, you know, I think Zeldin is going to outperform in that race.

00:15:21.660 She just has nothing at all to offer the voters.

00:15:24.200 This is, I think, the problem for Democrats in general is that they only have ideology to

00:15:28.260 run on.

00:15:29.080 They run entirely on ideology.

00:15:30.320 But most Americans are not ideological.

00:15:33.640 It's it's people always talk about what's the kitchen table issue.

00:15:36.680 But really, it's what are the things people think about when they first wake up in the

00:15:39.540 morning?

00:15:39.960 And you see there in that poll there, it's like people think about, you know, how they're

00:15:43.400 going to feed their kids.

00:15:44.160 They think about, am I safe or is my family safe?

00:15:46.760 Whereas for Democrats, you know, it is abortion.

00:15:49.140 It's January 6th.

00:15:49.960 And this is the big argument that they're selling in The New York Times is what's wrong

00:15:53.300 with you people?

00:15:53.760 You should be voting on principle instead of filthy lucre.

00:15:57.000 Yeah.

00:15:57.280 Oh, it's hilarious.

00:15:57.920 That was who was the greatest.

00:15:58.840 He said, he said, he said, you know, people worried about inflation is how Hitler came

00:16:04.500 to power.

00:16:06.920 You don't want to be poor.

00:16:08.360 You're Hitler coming in off the top rope in that particular tweet.

00:16:11.920 I mean, my goodness, you didn't see that one coming.

00:16:13.480 I came into your office looking for a job and he said, yeah, I'm going to bankrupt your

00:16:16.760 company and destroy all your people.

00:16:18.260 But I believe in abortion.

00:16:19.100 You know, I've got to sleep a race.

00:16:23.020 And it's also New York.

00:16:24.360 I think New York 17, there is a very good chance that Sean Patrick Maloney loses to Mike

00:16:29.500 Lawler.

00:16:30.280 That happens to be my old district.

00:16:32.460 It's redistricting, change the numbers.

00:16:34.160 I was on the race where Maloney won for the first time.

00:16:37.920 He's a very good candidate.

00:16:39.380 That's why he was a Clinton guy.

00:16:40.680 That's why he became the head of DCCC.

00:16:42.440 I think he's weak there right now.

00:16:44.200 I think Lawler's run a good campaign.

00:16:45.920 The Republicans are obviously doing very well in New York right now.

00:16:48.160 Now, if Maloney loses, I believe he would be the first head of the DCCC, which is the

00:16:54.080 Democrat Congressional Campaign Committee, to lose his seat while he is running the organization.

00:16:58.360 Cabot, is it possible?

00:16:59.720 It's absolutely possible.

00:17:00.900 And it's interesting also when you look at the DCCC, Michael, as you bring up, one of

00:17:04.740 the best, you know, kind of full circle moments that we've seen this cycle came from them.

00:17:08.800 They sent an internal memo to all of their House candidates around the country.

00:17:12.520 And they said, in 2020, defund the police absolutely killed us.

00:17:16.180 We have to run away from that.

00:17:17.440 Find a former sheriff, find a current police officer, get someone in law enforcement to

00:17:22.440 cut an ad for you saying that you support law enforcement.

00:17:25.380 That's an internal memo they sent.

00:17:27.120 As far as other sleeper races go, though, I'm looking out at Oregon.

00:17:30.560 They have not had a Republican governor in 40 years.

00:17:33.080 That's the longest drought of any state in the entire country.

00:17:35.900 Two things right now seem to show that a Republican is going to win.

00:17:38.360 First off, the current Democrat outgoing governor, Kate Brown, is the least popular governor

00:17:42.820 in the entire country in polling.

00:17:44.280 Her protege is the Democrat nominee, Tina Kotech.

00:17:47.980 She's hugely unpopular in the state right now, but she's the nominee.

00:17:50.920 Also, there are three major candidates on the ballot.

00:17:53.400 Betsy Johnson is running as an independent.

00:17:55.660 She's a lifelong Democrat with a huge name recognition in the state.

00:17:58.940 She's pulling 10 to 20 percent of the vote away from the Democrats.

00:18:02.000 And then you've got the Republican, Christine Drazen.

00:18:04.200 She's in the low 40s, high 30s.

00:18:06.140 But that's enough to win this race because there are three serious candidates.

00:18:08.940 Oregon could have a Republican governor.

00:18:10.680 One other interesting note there, Phil Knight, the founder of Nike, famously hates Kate Brown,

00:18:14.940 the current governor.

00:18:15.920 He has donated now $3 million to the Republican, Christine Drazen, because he wants the Democrats

00:18:20.600 out of power in Oregon, where he has the Nike headquarters.

00:18:23.300 And then there's Michigan.

00:18:25.540 Michigan was not in play.

00:18:27.020 It is now in play.

00:18:28.500 Tudor Dixon within three.

00:18:29.820 I think Ben maybe mentioned this.

00:18:31.800 Gretchen Whitmer was ahead by 17, 18 points just two months ago.

00:18:36.500 That race is within three in a lot of polls.

00:18:38.940 No one deserves to lose more than Gretchen Whitmer.

00:18:41.200 No.

00:18:42.120 And this is interesting.

00:18:43.480 You've been talking to voters on the street.

00:18:45.980 Right.

00:18:46.480 Tell us what they're thinking.

00:18:48.760 This has been really enlightening.

00:18:50.420 And again, we talk about the polls.

00:18:52.940 We listen to other pundits.

00:18:55.740 The people on the street is all that matters.

00:18:58.840 They consistently, again, the pattern is amazing.

00:19:02.300 What are your priorities?

00:19:03.440 That's what we ask them.

00:19:04.260 What do you care about most?

00:19:05.440 What do you think is going wrong in this country?

00:19:07.740 And it's crime, and it's the economy, the economy of the economy, the economy, inflation, all the different iterations of the economy answer you can imagine.

00:19:17.900 Almost none of them responded with abortion.

00:19:20.720 That's the number one issue.

00:19:22.500 And you've looked into those numbers.

00:19:23.760 Democrats are sinking in tens of millions into the abortion messaging.

00:19:29.500 Almost none of them have responded that way.

00:19:31.420 It is the economy.

00:19:32.760 It is crime.

00:19:33.920 It is immigration.

00:19:35.320 We consistently hear that.

00:19:36.500 We actually have a little reel for you guys if you want to listen to some people from the street that we talk to from all over the country.

00:19:43.420 Let's tee it up.

00:19:44.220 I think fentanyl is number one for me, obviously.

00:19:48.960 It's the economy and then crime.

00:19:51.040 So I live in Philadelphia.

00:19:52.360 Crime is very important.

00:19:53.460 So I'll rank crime number one, women's issues number two, inflation number three.

00:19:58.020 No doubt.

00:19:58.740 The border.

00:19:59.740 The electrical cars.

00:20:01.480 They're pissing me off.

00:20:02.840 And also inflation as well.

00:20:04.500 I mean, I'm not made out of money.

00:20:05.740 I don't think anybody is.

00:20:06.980 Securing the border so drugs and anything else that's coming across that's not legal doesn't come across.

00:20:15.260 There's not enough battery technology to cover that many electrical cars.

00:20:21.400 You can't do away with gas cars.

00:20:23.380 You can't.

00:20:24.040 Everything is through the roof.

00:20:25.380 The economy, the border, and getting the Bidens locked up.

00:20:32.840 Forgot to mention the Bidens getting locked up.

00:20:35.180 But those are people, again, those are people from all over the country.

00:20:37.860 That's not just people from Nashville.

00:20:39.740 It's people from all over the place.

00:20:41.980 You hear really consistent themes there.

00:20:44.720 John and Cabot, thank you guys for the work you're doing over at ElectionWire.

00:20:47.360 And we look forward to seeing you here with us again on election night.

00:20:51.440 We do too.

00:20:52.020 Thanks.

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00:22:25.840 Matt, that was...

00:22:26.220 That was...

00:22:26.780 Wow.

00:22:27.360 Yeah.

00:22:27.640 So enthusiastic.

00:22:28.220 Like butter.

00:22:29.220 I did tell them that I don't think I should be doing any of the ads, but they forced me to do it, so...

00:22:33.700 I'm going to give you the opportunity to redeem yourself since we obviously just lost an ad sponsor.

00:22:39.700 And that's by talking about the unbelievable event that you hosted here in Nashville last week to end child mutilation.

00:22:47.400 I think everybody out there knows that you've been the leader in this battle over the last several months.

00:22:54.040 The work that you've done in exposing Vanderbilt Hospital here locally, the work that you've done in trying to organize legal opposition to that in the state legislature and governor's office, I think that it's really heroic work.

00:23:06.860 But this event is something unique.

00:23:09.240 We've never, as a company, been a part of anything quite like it.

00:23:13.140 And I happened to be out of the state at the time and wasn't able to be there.

00:23:16.240 I really wanted to hear from you.

00:23:17.660 What was the experience like of assembling maybe 3,000 people and speaking to them about what I think is one of the most important issues of our time?

00:23:28.620 Yeah, I haven't been a part of anything like that either.

00:23:30.420 I don't think anyone has because there have been sort of disjointed efforts across the country by people to organize rallies, but there hasn't been anything quite to this size or scale.

00:23:39.000 And so going into it, I know I was certainly nervous because it's a gamble.

00:23:46.780 There's a risk that if you're planting your flag and calling your shot and saying, we're going to have a big rally and we're going to speak out and then only 300 people show up, then it sends exactly the opposite message for what you want to send.

00:24:00.100 And we are working at a disadvantage as conservatives because, first of all, we don't have any of the institutions on our side.

00:24:06.820 The media is not going to advertise for us.

00:24:08.920 But then also, conservatives in general just aren't as eager to get involved in activism.

00:24:16.180 They don't know how to do it quite as much.

00:24:18.100 It's just not.

00:24:18.900 They don't have the systems in place.

00:24:21.140 And they don't want to risk their reputations and their jobs.

00:24:24.280 I mean, there are consequences.

00:24:24.880 And they have jobs to begin with.

00:24:27.520 So there's all of those things you're worried about.

00:24:30.580 And so that was my concern going in.

00:24:32.240 I thought we would get a good turnout.

00:24:33.340 I was hoping for 1,000 and show up there on the day of.

00:24:36.920 And we had police estimate.

00:24:39.240 Well, if you listen to the media, we had hundreds that showed up.

00:24:41.780 But the police estimate that we had, about 3,000 that showed up.

00:24:45.600 So it exceeded my expectations.

00:24:47.180 And it was just the crowd out there was, they were very passionate.

00:24:56.040 It was a, we hear about diversity from the left.

00:24:58.400 It was a very diverse crowd of, you know, it's hard to peg.

00:25:00.980 Well, it was, was it a younger crowd, an older crowd?

00:25:04.100 I think it was just a wide variety of people.

00:25:06.860 Most of them were local, just people in Nashville or in Tennessee that came out.

00:25:11.600 And, of course, the left showed up too.

00:25:14.440 And, and it was, it was kind of interesting because I've, I've been to other rallies before.

00:25:18.000 I've done, I've been to plenty of them.

00:25:19.580 And in my experience at rallies and marches and that sort of thing, there is a, there's

00:25:24.120 a section that they say, well, if you're a counter-protester, you go here.

00:25:28.620 And then if the, if you're a part of the actual event, this is where you go.

00:25:32.120 But at this event, they, for whatever reason, they were allowed to just.

00:25:35.360 You know, it's on government property.

00:25:36.500 So first amendment.

00:25:37.420 So they were allowed to come into the crowd and, and, and, you know, the counter-protesters,

00:25:40.580 they came right up to the front.

00:25:41.520 They had bullhorns and sirens and everything.

00:25:43.480 Wow.

00:25:44.440 But it didn't matter.

00:25:47.340 It didn't, it didn't derail any of the speeches.

00:25:49.300 And I think in the end, it actually helped us because, I mean, they were outnumbered 20

00:25:52.320 to one, but, but also it, it just showed this incredible contrast between these kind of normal,

00:25:59.660 everyday Americans who are concerned about protecting children versus these crazies with

00:26:04.700 these vulgar, disgusting signs screaming into, you know, screaming incoherently into a megaphone.

00:26:10.620 And I think it was a really helpful conversation.

00:26:12.120 Oh, I saw the video clip of the counter-protester with the bullhorn literally screaming in a woman's face.

00:26:19.560 Like, yeah, it's not, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say it could have done damage to this woman's hearing.

00:26:25.040 What are you trying to prove at that point?

00:26:26.660 Right.

00:26:27.400 And she, and, and the woman, you know, she, she just stood there.

00:26:30.620 She wasn't rattled by it.

00:26:31.820 That was the theme of it.

00:26:32.960 The other thing that I was worried about when I showed up and I was happy about the crowd,

00:26:36.340 but the other thing I'm worried about is that, you know, a lot of our speakers, we, you know,

00:26:39.300 Chloe Cole is a detransitioner.

00:26:41.080 She's 18 years old.

00:26:42.180 She's not a professional public speaker.

00:26:46.020 Right.

00:26:46.480 And so my concern is, well, going up in front of this crowd with people screaming in your face,

00:26:51.780 are you going to be able to handle that?

00:26:54.100 But she did, all of our speakers did a phenomenal job.

00:26:56.900 You also didn't only have conservatives and Republicans.

00:26:59.840 As I saw, I was also overseas, but I saw the pictures and video.

00:27:03.880 You had a Democratic presidential candidate who showed up.

00:27:08.200 Did we?

00:27:08.820 I think you did.

00:27:10.500 Tulsi Gabbard.

00:27:11.160 Oh, Tulsi Gabbard, yeah.

00:27:12.600 Former Democrat, former president.

00:27:13.780 Former Democrat, former president.

00:27:15.580 Well, former Democrat, but at the time she ran.

00:27:17.420 Now she's independent, but she, yeah, Tulsi Gabbard came and gave a great speech.

00:27:22.920 Of course, Senator Marsha Blackburn, we had our state legislators.

00:27:26.980 And the other thing we wanted to accomplish, of course, with the rally was we want to send a message to the country

00:27:32.060 that this is a movement and that people care about this.

00:27:34.100 But the other practical concern is to send a message to our state lawmakers that you have to follow through

00:27:39.720 in getting this law passed because the people in the state care about this.

00:27:42.720 And the message, I talked to the lawmakers after the fact and before, and they were just blown away by the crowd.

00:27:49.060 They hadn't seen anything like it before.

00:27:50.740 So I think it achieved exactly what we had in mind.

00:27:52.600 Well, I haven't spoken to you about this, but I spoke to a lobbyist here in the state who said that not only are they highly confident

00:27:59.440 that the state will take legal action and that Tennessee will be a leader in the nation of stopping this

00:28:03.840 because of the work that you've done, but that in the wake of your coverage and in the wake of this rally,

00:28:09.140 they've also heard that Alabama is taking steps to go ahead and get ahead of it and outlaw this horrible practice

00:28:15.600 of castration and mutilation of children in the name of radical trans ideology too.

00:28:21.400 So I think it's unbelievable work that you're doing.

00:28:24.560 And I want to point out that when you see the Daily Wire doing these things,

00:28:30.200 when you see us suing the Biden administration to stop the vaccine mandate,

00:28:33.620 when you see us putting out this unbelievable content like Candace's greatest lie ever sold,

00:28:39.820 George Floyd and the rise of BLM, or what is a woman,

00:28:42.160 when you see us being able to put these events like your in-child mutilation event on,

00:28:47.580 it really is in no small part because of our members at Daily Wire Plus

00:28:52.060 who in a very real way have made an investment in the Daily Wire's ability to do the things that we do.

00:29:00.240 I think it's fair to say no one in my lifetime in the conservative movement has had an operation

00:29:06.740 akin to ours, which is a for-profit, growing, thriving organization that is also highly, highly effective.

00:29:16.740 And in some ways that's like saying, you know, there's always that New York Times headline that's like

00:29:20.720 crime decreases despite increasing gun ownership or whatever, like crime falls despite increasing gun ownership.

00:29:27.380 Right. It is because the Daily Wire is a for-profit company that we are so effective.

00:29:32.740 The reason we're doing more than any organization in the conservative movement has done in the last 40 years

00:29:37.140 is because we're driven by business principles, because our economic lives depend on us

00:29:44.200 continuing to be successful, continuing to deliver for our audience,

00:29:47.800 and in particular the part of our audience that subscribes, or the part of our audience that becomes members.

00:29:52.280 And that means giving them unbelievable content, but it also means giving them

00:29:56.320 unbelievable accomplishments missionally. I think that that is part of the actual value proposition

00:30:03.900 for the people who become members at Daily Wire Plus. They're saying, yeah, we want new content from

00:30:09.400 Jordan Peterson. Yeah, we want member block. Yeah, we love What is a Woman? It's an Awesome Documentary.

00:30:14.140 Yeah, we also love that you fight. We also love that not only do you fight, but you win.

00:30:18.640 We also love that you guys, instead of being in that sort of non-profit cycle of lose, bitch, repeat,

00:30:24.520 lose, bitch, fundraise, repeat, you seem to be more in the cycle of win, tell us about it,

00:30:31.380 ask us to trade value for value, and then go win again. And so I think this is just...

00:30:36.600 It's amazing. I think it's also important to juxtapose what you are doing and what we as a company have

00:30:43.660 been doing with what the White House is doing. Because I think people... There's a whole group

00:30:48.100 of people out there, many people on the right, who do not understand the nature of the battle.

00:30:51.540 And this has been a historic problem with the Republican Party. It's been a historic problem

00:30:54.060 with conservatives. Conservatives shy away from what they think are the hottest battles. They

00:30:58.320 think that it's too scary. If we invest in these battles, it's going to make us look mean or it's

00:31:02.400 going to make us look cruel. And the natural outcome of that is that the left keeps pushing and

00:31:05.760 pushing and pushing and transgressing and transgressing until there's nothing left to transgress.

00:31:08.780 And one of the things that happened this week at the White House is what I think is the most

00:31:14.560 morally perverse thing I have ever seen at the White House, which is a hell of a statement because

00:31:17.720 I've seen a lot of moral... I mean, I wasn't there for Bill Clinton and Monica, but this was in many

00:31:21.920 ways worse, honestly. The White House swimming pool during JFK gave Clinton a run for it.

00:31:27.240 There's some pretty bad stuff. But in terms of the ideological immorality of what we saw at the

00:31:32.600 White House this week, I'm not sure it's ever been surpassed. So there is a person, for those who missed

00:31:36.280 it, named Dylan Mulvaney. Dylan Mulvaney was a former Broadway star, was in Book of Mormon.

00:31:40.560 And Dylan Mulvaney started a TikTok series after becoming lonely during COVID and starting an

00:31:46.700 Instagram or a TikTok, rather, in March of this year, started a process of transition, declared

00:31:53.680 that he, in fact, was a she and started doing a series called Day Blank of Girlhood. And so it was

00:31:58.500 Day One of Girlhood, Day Two of Girlhood. And these videos are absurd. I mean, they're absurd.

00:32:03.260 They're stereotypical. Somebody called it woman face. It is woman face. It is mockery of women

00:32:08.240 in the name of women. Day One is this man dressed up in a woman's outfit and speaking in a high-pitched

00:32:15.700 voice, talking about, I cried three times today, and this is what makes me a woman. On Day One of

00:32:20.060 being a woman, I've only been a woman for one day and I cried three times today. And then we have this

00:32:23.860 person cutting videos about how he walks around in very short shorts that demonstrate his manhood

00:32:33.180 and how people are staring at him because of this. But he's going to normalize that on behalf of the

00:32:37.220 trans community. Okay, so this person did, has a series of ad contracts with a bunch of different

00:32:43.660 makeup companies, ranging from Sarave to Mac to Ulta. And this person did an interview with another

00:32:51.240 non-gender binary person, gender non-binary person for Ulta. And then went viral because Dylan

00:32:57.840 Mulvaney and this says, I know now that I can be a mother. Spoiler alert, you can. You're a dude,

00:33:03.280 ain't no way, ain't gonna work. The White House invited Dylan Mulvaney to the White House to

00:33:08.120 interview the president of the United States, the president of the United States who will not grant

00:33:11.400 an interview to reporters, like to actual people who do this for a living, because the president of

00:33:15.240 the United States can no longer speak words out of his face hole. But this person did invite

00:33:18.600 Dylan Mulvaney. So Dylan Mulvaney is sitting there and asks the president of the United States,

00:33:22.760 this is a man dressed as a woman pretending to be a woman, asks him about exactly the issues

00:33:26.680 that Matt is talking about. Ask the president, what do you say about all these states that are

00:33:30.920 attempting to ban what they call gender-affirming health care, which is one of the great euphemisms

00:33:34.360 of all time. Gender-affirming health care, for those who have not watched Matt's documentary,

00:33:37.820 the short version is socially transition a kid, sterilize a kid, mutilate a kid. That's the

00:33:41.480 gender-denying care. It's sex-denying health care. It's sex-denying health care. And the

00:33:46.360 president of the United States says it is immoral, not just illegal, immoral to deny any kid

00:33:52.920 this sort of care. Immoral. He said this from the position of the White House to a man

00:33:57.500 dressed as a woman. And this was seen as the height of bravery by the media. There's the

00:34:03.960 president of the United States standing up for the principle that boys can be girls,

00:34:07.420 girls can be boys, and that we should mutilate children and mandate that states allow the

00:34:11.460 mutilation of children to that effect. So when we say that Matt is standing up to something that's

00:34:15.200 very powerful, he is standing up to something that's very powerful. And there are people who have

00:34:18.400 been poo-pooing these sorts of issues for you. Ah, what drag queen story are? Who cares? Ah, you know,

00:34:21.940 when it comes to transing the kids, who cares? Ah, you know what? A bunch of bad school books at the

00:34:26.280 libraries. Who cares? The answer is everybody cares. Everybody should care. And Matt is proving

00:34:29.700 that everybody should care. You know, I have to say I made a discovery. First of all, Matt,

00:34:33.760 good on you. You know, this is God's work. It really is. I think gender is a fascinating and

00:34:38.180 complex topic. Butchering children is demonic. And I think, you know, if nobody stops it, it just goes

00:34:43.780 on. But I actually sat down so that you guys don't have to and read the book Gender Trouble by Judith

00:34:49.500 Butler, which is really the book that started this all. It is the underlying philosophy. And

00:34:54.960 it's famously written in this very, very obscurantist prose. So you can't understand what

00:35:00.280 she's saying. And so I actually went through it. What fascinated me about it is that her premise

00:35:04.920 and Matt's premise are exactly the same. She starts out by saying that the problem with feminism is they

00:35:10.660 keep talking about we, but there is no we because there's no such thing as women. That's essentially what

00:35:16.020 she's saying. So I thought, gee, here's the woman who started this. And she agrees with you. You

00:35:19.760 know, they are eliminating the category of female from the human population because she says she

00:35:25.640 makes the argument basically that only men exist in our horrible chauvinistic mind. And I don't want

00:35:31.920 to go into it too deeply because it's so stupid and so empty and so based on nothing, no factual

00:35:36.900 material. But you caught them. You caught them. That is exactly what they're saying. They're saying,

00:35:42.260 ladies, you do not exist. Your lives don't exist. The experience of being in a female body and having

00:35:49.320 children be a possibility of having periods of having all the things that women have in their

00:35:53.600 lives that most of us here respect deeply and think is one of the great parts of human nature.

00:36:00.020 But this is such an important point because a lot of people think the transgender issue,

00:36:04.600 the ones who poo-poo it, like Ben is saying, they say, oh, this cropped up in the last five years.

00:36:08.320 It's nothing. But it's the same premise that you had in feminism, which is men and women are

00:36:12.920 basically the same. It flows naturally into the gay marriage movement, which is men and women are

00:36:18.080 exactly the same. Flows naturally into the transgender movement, which is men and women

00:36:21.360 are exactly the same. So when you're fighting against that, you're not fighting against some

00:36:25.760 weird fad on a college campus five minutes ago. You're fighting against an issue that has been

00:36:30.680 building for at least 60 years, maybe longer. I mean, listen to Carl Truman, who also appears in our

00:36:36.760 film, but this goes back to the romantics. Yeah, it goes back centuries. It goes back to the whole

00:36:42.320 idea that what matters most is our... I told Carl to stop picking on words with him. He mixes all

00:36:50.040 the romantics together. Conservative romantics are great. I think the, to your point about what Joe

00:36:55.460 Biden is doing, I actually appreciate it because he, it's like we're a team now. We're working

00:37:00.000 together. Because he is, he is showing the fact that this guy, first of all, you got this,

00:37:06.020 this guy who decides he's going to become a woman. And, uh, and a few months later, he's got corporate

00:37:11.960 sponsorships. He's invited to the white house to speak on behalf of women. This is the, you know,

00:37:15.580 I've never believed in the idea of male privilege, but now I have to amend that because there is male

00:37:19.680 privilege. As long as it's a male who, who pretends to be a woman has the most privilege of all.

00:37:23.960 In the future, all the best women will be men.

00:37:25.900 Exactly. And so he ends up, he ends up in the white house and we're doing this rally. It's kind

00:37:30.240 of the same hope, sort of having the same effect was it, which is to show people that this is

00:37:35.460 happening and that it really does matter because this is the, this is the, the number one hurdle

00:37:40.220 we've had to get over in the fight against this gender ideology madness. And it is, is that for,

00:37:45.240 for a lot of conservatives, they don't even understand, not even just conservatives, just normal

00:37:50.300 people. They don't, they don't realize that this is happening, how pervasive it is. Uh, that's the,

00:37:55.000 probably the, the most common feedback or reaction I get to what is a woman. I hear from people,

00:37:59.900 including people that you'd think are clued in like politicians would tell me, well, I saw that.

00:38:03.780 I had, I had no idea that all that stuff was happening. And, uh, and when you've got Joe Biden

00:38:09.160 speaking about mutilating kids from the white house, I think it shows that this is going on,

00:38:13.540 it's happening. And we have to, the other thing is you have to show up physically. Okay.

00:38:18.840 Yeah. As I talked about how, how on the left, they're much better at, at, uh, at activism.

00:38:24.000 And, but that's a crutch that we have to, we can't, we can't rely on anymore, uh, because it

00:38:28.180 does matter to actually show up. It's one thing to tweet about it, talk about it as we do in

00:38:31.540 conservative media, but you have to, the image of, of actual human beings out there holding signs

00:38:37.580 against it. Well, the whole, the whole issue hinges on the physical body. So it's no surprise. And

00:38:42.180 they're, they're right about that. Actually, you do have to physically show up.

00:38:45.180 I didn't believe in, uh, gender transitioning previously. I did not believe that a man could

00:38:51.000 become a woman. But when you say that this Dillon fella cried three times in one day,

00:38:55.280 I'm going to re-evaluate. You've never seen Brian Stelter.

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00:40:09.500 family deserve. There is one additional point that I wanted to make when it comes to, you know, I think

00:40:14.380 why so many people don't know what's going on with the trans issue. They look at it and it's so weird

00:40:19.640 and it's so bizarre and it's so strange. And people look at this and they say because it's weird and bizarre

00:40:23.820 and strange, it must not be happening. They literally cannot believe that it's happening. And that is

00:40:27.860 because it is an outgrowth of an ideology that nearly everyone has bought into, but they didn't realize the

00:40:33.060 consequence of that ideology we're going to be. And that ideology is essentially, this is Truman's

00:40:38.500 point, that identity is to be found in the sexual pleasure instinct and anything that inhibits it

00:40:43.100 needs to be destroyed. And because we as a society have bought into that so much that what we are is

00:40:47.980 just the sexual instinct. What we are is our feeling inside. And literally all of our modern literature

00:40:52.680 is written on this basis. All of our movies are made on this basis. And my favorite examples are all

00:40:56.960 the Disney movies where it used to be that when it was Pinocchio, it was about how do you learn to do

00:41:00.920 your duty so you can become a real boy? And now every movie is how do you find your inner bliss

00:41:04.980 so that you can truly be free? How do you buck society's conventions in order to truly be yourself?

00:41:09.420 And because we've all bought into that model, we never saw this coming. And so when people actually

00:41:13.460 take that to its logical extreme, which is you ought to celebrate however I feel. And if I feel like

00:41:18.160 something that's absolutely counterfactual, you should still celebrate it. And it's a denial of what

00:41:21.780 makes me, me. Then people are shocked by it. It's like the lights suddenly go on. And what makes it even

00:41:28.120 harder is that in order to root that out, you can't just root out this particular issue. You

00:41:32.220 have to root out the entire ideology. You have to actually start to see identity in a way that we

00:41:36.500 have not seen identity in the West for solidly 100 years. You have to go back to fundamental

00:41:40.260 principles about what makes human beings human beings and what makes human beings fulfilled.

00:41:44.400 And that's something that many people in the West are just incapable of facing up to. Because again,

00:41:47.960 when you spend all day every day thinking about how do I feel and what will make me feel better,

00:41:52.020 which is what we are trained to do from the time that we are small kids. I mean,

00:41:54.240 it's Brave New World. We are trained to do this stuff from the time that we are tiny kids.

00:41:57.140 This is what C.S. Lewis called the great movement of internalization. Because once you lose contact

00:42:01.880 with the idea that there is a spirit in whose image you're made, there's nothing but what's

00:42:07.360 inside you. And so it becomes, Eros becomes the most powerful thing you've got.

00:42:11.380 I mean, this is Freud's point, right? I mean, this is...

00:42:13.460 No, he's part of it. He's a big part of it.

00:42:15.200 Exactly. And so, you know, there's something that I've started to do and I want to do it more.

00:42:19.060 And that is re-term what I think the left is now. They've been calling themselves progressive,

00:42:22.460 falsely, for generations. And what they really are is transgressive.

00:42:27.240 All they are is transgressive. All they want to do is tear down all of the standards,

00:42:30.500 all of the institutions. They want to transgress. The transgression is the point.

00:42:33.900 Everything has to be torn down. And it has to be torn down so that you can be liberated on the inside.

00:42:38.780 And the destruction is not the bug. It's the feature.

00:42:41.480 What's another simpler word for transgression?

00:42:44.300 Well, sin would be...

00:42:45.580 You know, I have to tell you, Ben, that...

00:42:48.500 They're the transgressives.

00:42:49.860 I hate to give you this great compliment on the air.

00:42:52.160 That's so good. And it's so much better than...

00:42:55.780 We used to say, they're not the progressive left, they're the regressive left.

00:42:59.000 They're not regressive.

00:42:59.700 And it's like, by the way, when you use regressive, you're granting the progressive point,

00:43:03.360 which is there's a back end. But transgressive, that's it.

00:43:05.700 Because you're saying there is an objective moral reality here.

00:43:09.200 And these guys just transgress it every step of the way.

00:43:13.440 And that's the goal. The goal is they have to...

00:43:15.100 They must destroy. And you see it, by the way, in literally everything.

00:43:17.880 I mean, I know later on we're going to talk about what happened at this art installation.

00:43:21.160 But, I mean, the destruction is the point.

00:43:24.700 The destruction is the...

00:43:25.480 And they have to... And by the way, they have to train the kids.

00:43:27.340 It's important to train the kids in transgressive mentality.

00:43:29.940 Because you can't take a normal human being and tell the normal human being

00:43:33.100 who hasn't been brought up in that transgressive mentality

00:43:34.940 that it's good to destroy all the things that person relies upon.

00:43:37.360 You have to take kids who are tabula rasa and don't understand any of the institutions

00:43:40.860 and you have to tell them that their greatest happiness is to be found

00:43:43.000 in joining the mob and tearing things down.

00:43:44.940 It's not... Like, you wonder why they're doing Drag Queen Story Hour.

00:43:48.100 Why are they targeting the kids? Why can't they just do it for adults?

00:43:50.180 Because they can't do it for adults.

00:43:51.500 The whole point is that they are building an entire generation of people

00:43:53.860 who are going to engage in this.

00:43:55.660 When we talk about grooming, it's not grooming for sex.

00:43:57.440 It's grooming for ideology.

00:43:58.520 The idea is you're going to ideologically groom kids

00:44:00.480 so that they are part of a group of people who celebrate you.

00:44:02.520 And by the way, they openly say this.

00:44:03.960 Remember there's a video that came out not all that long ago,

00:44:06.300 a couple years ago actually.

00:44:07.440 I think it was the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus.

00:44:09.460 You remember this one?

00:44:10.000 Yes, yes.

00:44:10.580 They put out a video.

00:44:11.720 They said, we are going to make your kids gay, right?

00:44:14.520 And they do a whole song talking about how we're coming for your kids.

00:44:18.180 Yes, we're coming for your kids.

00:44:18.980 And then they took it down because it was too close to home

00:44:20.540 and people noticed what they were doing.

00:44:21.800 They said the quiet part out loud.

00:44:23.140 And they said, yes, we're going to make your kids fair

00:44:24.540 and we're going to make your kids tolerant

00:44:25.940 and we're going to build a better world on the bodies of your kids.

00:44:28.620 And that's what's going on here.

00:44:29.840 And we are, when you talk about how we're conditioned

00:44:33.420 to accept a lot of the premises here,

00:44:35.900 I think also conservatives have a condition to accept this trump card of,

00:44:40.560 well, it makes me happy.

00:44:42.760 And if someone says, well, it makes me happy,

00:44:44.900 then the conditioning is, well, then, okay,

00:44:47.320 if it makes you happy, it makes you happy.

00:44:48.360 This is one thing, filming what is a woman

00:44:49.880 and going around to cities all across the country

00:44:52.240 and talking to people about these issues,

00:44:53.720 that's one of the most common responses that we heard

00:44:57.260 is just that, well, you know, this is what I believe,

00:45:00.420 but if it makes somebody happy,

00:45:01.660 then they should be able to do what makes them happy.

00:45:03.700 And, you know, I had a moment at our What is a Woman screening,

00:45:09.300 our most recent one, which was Wisconsin-Madison,

00:45:12.760 where I was talking to a young man

00:45:14.700 who's transitioning to, you know, try to become a woman.

00:45:18.180 And he said that, well, I take this medicine

00:45:20.540 and it makes me happy.

00:45:22.760 And that's supposed to be the trump card

00:45:25.240 that we're supposed to back away from.

00:45:26.680 Of course, I tried to explain that, you know,

00:45:28.660 that's not actually...

00:45:30.100 Happiness?

00:45:31.100 It's not happiness, but...

00:45:32.060 It's not the goal of life.

00:45:32.780 It's not the goal of life,

00:45:33.420 but it's also not the goal of medicine.

00:45:35.440 Medicine, the point of medicine

00:45:36.660 is not to make you happy in the moment.

00:45:38.300 It's your overall wellness, your overall well-being.

00:45:42.060 It's to treat what is actually wrong with you.

00:45:45.760 And there's nothing wrong with your male essence.

00:45:49.060 That's who you are.

00:45:49.740 But what the left has also done

00:45:50.620 is they've played a wonderful trick here,

00:45:52.260 which is they said in the 60s,

00:45:53.360 the personal is the political, right?

00:45:54.600 This is one of their big slogans.

00:45:55.720 How you act personally is an action against the man, right?

00:45:58.420 If you decide to buck the patriarchy

00:45:59.980 by engaging in premarital sex or extraneous sex

00:46:03.060 or alternative forms of sexual arrangement,

00:46:05.100 this is bucking the patriarchy, right?

00:46:06.320 The personal is political.

00:46:07.520 And then you say, okay, well,

00:46:08.720 if the personal is political,

00:46:10.020 then I don't like your politics

00:46:11.320 and I don't like that.

00:46:12.060 And I think that that's wrong.

00:46:12.860 And they say, well, how dare you attack me personally?

00:46:14.640 Why would you do that?

00:46:15.700 You're attacking my happiness.

00:46:16.740 And the answer is,

00:46:17.540 I don't care about what you do personally

00:46:18.880 nearly as much as I care about

00:46:20.080 what society says about what you do personally, right?

00:46:22.240 You change the rules of society

00:46:23.580 and that's what makes the difference, right?

00:46:25.200 This was always the argument about gay marriage.

00:46:26.600 The argument about gay marriage was always,

00:46:28.160 you know, what do you care if two men get married?

00:46:30.080 How does it affect your marriage?

00:46:31.100 How does it affect your life?

00:46:32.060 And the answer is,

00:46:32.820 that marriage doesn't affect my life.

00:46:34.080 How society decides what is a relationship

00:46:36.660 that is worth upholding and cherishing

00:46:38.300 and what a society decides is not worth upholding,

00:46:40.520 that does change marriage.

00:46:41.280 Marriage is a fundamental political institution.

00:46:43.380 Correct.

00:46:44.480 Fundamental political institution.

00:46:45.320 That's right.

00:46:45.960 And when it comes to the rules of the road,

00:46:48.200 who makes the rules of the road matters an awful lot.

00:46:51.100 And conservatives have run away from this,

00:46:52.860 I think in the name of sort of a value neutral libertarianism,

00:46:55.720 right?

00:46:55.880 The easy, when the left wasn't quite so crazy,

00:46:58.900 you can make the argument

00:46:59.740 that a neutral space was going to be enough, right?

00:47:02.060 Okay, you do you and I'll do me

00:47:03.520 and we'll all get together at the end of the day

00:47:04.980 and we'll have a beer and it'll be totally fine.

00:47:06.560 But when the left started to take over

00:47:07.880 all of the neutral spaces and bar everybody else

00:47:10.220 and then demand that you lose your job

00:47:11.940 for saying that men are men and women are women

00:47:13.880 and started to demand that we be able

00:47:15.640 to take your kids away from you.

00:47:16.740 I mean, the craziest piece of legislation

00:47:18.980 that won't be crazy in five years,

00:47:20.300 I guarantee it,

00:47:20.900 because I've been saying for at least five years

00:47:22.460 that it was going to be a thing,

00:47:23.620 is this piece of proposed legislation in Virginia

00:47:25.420 by the Virginia Democrat

00:47:26.340 who suggests that CPS should be able to come

00:47:28.420 and remove your child from you.

00:47:29.840 If your child goes to school

00:47:30.920 and expresses gender confusion

00:47:32.120 and then comes home and you say,

00:47:33.500 no, Billy, you're a boy,

00:47:34.840 that CPS should be able to-

00:47:35.560 They're doing that in Canada, right?

00:47:36.420 A hundred percent.

00:47:37.220 And by the way,

00:47:37.800 this will be common practice in the United States

00:47:39.920 within the next five years,

00:47:40.940 in California, in New York, in New Jersey.

00:47:43.580 I'm just, I'm calling my shot right now.

00:47:45.160 That's conversion therapy.

00:47:46.160 I mean, the thing about this is, though,

00:47:47.960 you know, so much of this has to do with the press

00:47:50.200 because it's hard for me to even pick on Republicans

00:47:53.940 who are, after all, politicians.

00:47:57.000 This is what they do.

00:47:57.820 That's their profession.

00:47:58.660 They're politicians.

00:47:59.620 Their basic goal is to be loved and reelected.

00:48:01.900 They're surrounded by this press.

00:48:03.760 And if you're in D.C.,

00:48:05.260 you are literally surrounded by this press

00:48:07.540 that is telling them that they are bad people

00:48:10.220 if they disagree.

00:48:11.640 And so if they say, well, the economy is not working,

00:48:14.280 if they say, well, this is more practical,

00:48:15.900 you've got to put criminals in jail,

00:48:17.800 they can get away with that.

00:48:19.120 But if you say, you know what?

00:48:20.660 You can't change from a man to a woman.

00:48:22.760 The press, as one, sits on their heads

00:48:25.340 and say, you are evil.

00:48:26.680 And they break.

00:48:27.440 But this is where the crowd matters.

00:48:28.500 So the perfect example of what Matt's doing right now,

00:48:31.300 you're basically, what you're doing is on a new issue.

00:48:34.040 What you're basically doing is what the pro-life movement

00:48:35.400 did in the aftermath of Roe, right?

00:48:36.880 Because in the aftermath of Roe,

00:48:38.080 if you actually look at the constituency of the party,

00:48:39.560 there was pretty broad spectrum overlap

00:48:41.660 in terms of abortion.

00:48:42.760 There were a lot of pro-abortion Republicans.

00:48:44.080 There were a lot of pro-life Republicans.

00:48:45.780 There were some pro-life Democrats at the time, right?

00:48:48.540 And pretty quickly, the political incentives

00:48:50.720 started to change and they started to realign.

00:48:53.380 And suddenly, you could not be a pro-choice Republican.

00:48:55.680 This was not something that was considered

00:48:56.780 widely acceptable.

00:48:57.900 And for the Democrats, it was the opposite.

00:48:59.260 You could not be a pro-life Democrat.

00:49:00.480 You can't name a pro-life Democrat today

00:49:02.280 in the Democratic Party.

00:49:03.740 And what you're doing out there

00:49:05.400 is performing the political function

00:49:07.900 of what you should be doing,

00:49:09.800 which is politics is not about electing the right people.

00:49:12.820 Politics is about making the wrong people

00:49:13.940 do the right things.

00:49:14.760 And that starts with changing the incentive structure.

00:49:17.140 And that starts with the public pressure campaign.

00:49:18.780 You think any of these politicians

00:49:19.680 five seconds ago cared about school boards?

00:49:22.180 You think any of these politicians

00:49:22.880 five seconds ago cared about Vandy?

00:49:24.480 You think any of these politicians

00:49:25.320 five seconds ago cared about the transing of the children?

00:49:27.360 They didn't even know about it, right?

00:49:28.600 It's because people wake up.

00:49:29.920 And that's the job of what Matt's doing.

00:49:31.840 And we're proud to sponsor a lot of that work

00:49:33.620 here at Daily Wire.

00:49:34.840 But Matt being out on the front lines

00:49:36.400 and all of us talking about this stuff daily,

00:49:37.880 raising the awareness of people

00:49:38.740 who then go to their politicians

00:49:39.620 and say, you best do something about this

00:49:41.280 or we will turn your ass out of office.

00:49:43.500 That's what's going to change.

00:49:44.420 And it is about the family, too,

00:49:46.460 because what is the basic thing

00:49:48.060 that people will show up for?

00:49:49.440 They will show up for their kids.

00:49:51.060 And mothers especially, I think,

00:49:52.680 will show up for their kids.

00:49:53.500 And that's why they want mothers out of the house.

00:49:54.520 And people are, parents are terrified

00:49:56.600 of what's happening to kids,

00:49:59.480 especially parents that send their kids.

00:50:01.500 There's no way to overstate this.

00:50:03.180 This is, I mean, parents are,

00:50:05.940 I talk about people wake up in the morning worried about.

00:50:08.460 For a lot of parents,

00:50:09.460 I think millions of parents,

00:50:10.380 this is probably number one

00:50:12.380 even before the economy.

00:50:13.120 I agree with you.

00:50:13.640 They might say, you know,

00:50:14.880 in a poll or something

00:50:16.180 that people name the economy.

00:50:17.320 It is something people care about.

00:50:18.360 Well, because they still don't actually think

00:50:20.320 about their kids as a political topic.

00:50:22.260 So when you go to someone and say,

00:50:23.440 what's the most important political issue?

00:50:24.880 They don't associate the feelings

00:50:28.000 that they have about their kids.

00:50:28.680 But I will tell you,

00:50:29.160 I moved, it was a massive factor

00:50:30.620 in me personally moving my family out of California.

00:50:32.680 I said to my wife,

00:50:34.420 in 10 years, it will not be possible

00:50:35.660 to raise my kids religious

00:50:36.680 and traditional in the state.

00:50:37.760 It is not going to be possible.

00:50:38.740 Plus, you'd be a target.

00:50:39.600 You personally.

00:50:40.140 Oh, 100%.

00:50:41.000 I mean, but even if I weren't,

00:50:43.040 I just don't think that the left

00:50:44.140 is going to make it livable.

00:50:45.040 I don't think the transgressives

00:50:46.020 will allow tradition to exist.

00:50:47.300 Again, the entire basis

00:50:48.260 of transgressive philosophy

00:50:49.480 is that tradition is bad

00:50:50.860 and must be torn down.

00:50:51.900 There's another area

00:50:52.840 where the right has sort of lost its way,

00:50:56.340 and that is we lost even the language

00:50:58.140 to defend tradition.

00:50:59.420 The language to defend tradition

00:51:00.520 used to be really simple.

00:51:01.760 You see it, by the way,

00:51:02.320 like I was just in Israel.

00:51:03.320 One of the things that you see

00:51:04.200 from people who have not spent

00:51:05.500 a lot of time with sort of the West,

00:51:07.520 and here I'm talking about

00:51:08.300 Sephardic Jews from places like Morocco, right?

00:51:10.080 Israel is broken down

00:51:10.900 to Ashkenazic and Sephardic.

00:51:12.260 You have the people from Eastern Europe

00:51:13.940 who tend to be a little bit more high income

00:51:15.940 than you have the people

00:51:16.580 who are from the Arab areas.

00:51:18.160 So the people from the Arab areas

00:51:19.040 are fairly new immigrants,

00:51:20.160 like in the last 50, 60 years.

00:51:21.440 They moved to the state of Israel

00:51:23.080 because the state of Israel

00:51:23.580 is only 73 years old.

00:51:24.840 And so a lot of them,

00:51:26.100 if you even asked them this stuff,

00:51:27.620 they would look at you cross-eyed

00:51:28.640 in the same way

00:51:29.200 that the Kenyan tribesmen

00:51:30.480 were looking at you

00:51:31.300 when you asked them about this stuff.

00:51:32.380 Like what in the world are you even,

00:51:33.440 and if you ask them,

00:51:34.340 can you justify to me

00:51:35.260 why what you're saying is true?

00:51:37.260 They would look at you

00:51:37.780 and they would laugh.

00:51:38.560 They wouldn't try to give you

00:51:39.680 some sort of secular humanist explanation

00:51:41.740 for why what they're saying is true.

00:51:43.120 They would look at you

00:51:43.740 and they would laugh.

00:51:44.660 And by the way,

00:51:45.200 that is the proper response

00:51:46.240 of a human being to absurdity,

00:51:47.540 is to laugh at the argument.

00:51:48.920 But we have lost the capacity

00:51:50.180 in this country

00:51:50.840 to laugh at the argument,

00:51:52.320 specifically because we have said

00:51:53.340 that it is no longer good enough

00:51:54.520 to just say,

00:51:55.160 listen, my tradition says,

00:51:57.000 and it's a tradition

00:51:57.580 that's worked for several thousand years,

00:51:58.800 that what you're saying is stupid.

00:52:00.100 Right?

00:52:00.280 You're not allowed to say that anymore.

00:52:01.460 And so what you end up with

00:52:02.400 is this bizarre situation

00:52:03.540 where huge swaths of the West

00:52:05.600 have no language

00:52:06.680 to even discuss these issues.

00:52:08.300 So Jonathan Haidt

00:52:09.220 gives a really good example

00:52:10.140 of this in The Righteous Mind.

00:52:11.040 Right?

00:52:11.120 He says,

00:52:11.780 go to a college campus today

00:52:12.780 and ask college students,

00:52:14.800 is there anything immoral

00:52:16.480 about a man going down

00:52:17.760 to the grocery store,

00:52:18.620 buying a,

00:52:18.940 this is his example,

00:52:19.700 not mine,

00:52:20.260 going down to the grocery store,

00:52:21.460 buying a frozen chicken,

00:52:22.760 bringing it home

00:52:23.400 and copulating

00:52:24.240 with the frozen chicken.

00:52:25.660 And if you ask

00:52:26.800 most college students,

00:52:27.960 they will say no,

00:52:28.760 it's a victimless crime.

00:52:29.820 There's nothing immoral

00:52:30.660 about a man copulating

00:52:31.680 with frozen chicken.

00:52:32.620 If you ask most people

00:52:33.540 of every other culture

00:52:34.380 on planet Earth,

00:52:35.180 they'll say,

00:52:35.460 of course there's something

00:52:35.940 wrong with it.

00:52:36.380 There's something wrong with him.

00:52:37.200 What in the actual world?

00:52:38.800 But we've lost the language

00:52:40.000 in the West to be able

00:52:40.680 to just say that

00:52:41.460 and we've lost the bravery

00:52:42.740 in the West to say that.

00:52:44.000 But this is the thing

00:52:44.500 that they're doing.

00:52:45.200 It's actually an act

00:52:46.880 of idolatry,

00:52:47.780 as Barfield would point out.

00:52:49.260 What they think is

00:52:50.340 by changing the map,

00:52:51.380 they can change the territory.

00:52:53.000 There are structures

00:52:53.900 of language that we use.

00:52:55.560 Language is a rude tool.

00:52:57.000 It's not an exact tool.

00:52:58.400 Language is a rude tool

00:52:59.320 with which we try to describe

00:53:00.920 what our experience of life is.

00:53:02.480 Symbols to describe it.

00:53:03.880 Oh, we can destroy the language

00:53:05.200 and therefore we've destroyed

00:53:06.180 the reality,

00:53:07.080 which of course is exactly

00:53:08.500 the definition of idolatry.

00:53:10.000 The fact is,

00:53:10.920 there are certain words

00:53:11.800 that are primary words.

00:53:13.220 Man and woman are two of them.

00:53:14.420 Good, evil.

00:53:14.940 God is one of them.

00:53:15.960 There's nothing to compare it to.

00:53:18.020 You know, Republicans,

00:53:19.440 conservatives tend to find,

00:53:20.680 well, a woman is this,

00:53:22.060 a woman is that.

00:53:22.880 We all know what a woman is.

00:53:24.120 It's beyond language.

00:53:25.300 Every single, you know,

00:53:26.720 my little grandson

00:53:28.000 knows who mommy is

00:53:29.240 and who daddy is

00:53:30.160 and that mommy's a girl

00:53:31.000 and that they don't have

00:53:31.940 to be taught that.

00:53:32.680 They know it.

00:53:33.340 They absolutely know it.

00:53:34.540 There's no way

00:53:35.600 to basically argue this.

00:53:37.380 You just have to say

00:53:38.440 you're an idiot

00:53:39.480 and laughter is exactly

00:53:40.900 the right rule.

00:53:41.680 You know, there's a great concept.

00:53:42.960 I mean, that's such a great point.

00:53:44.500 I remember when I was a little kid

00:53:46.160 and I asked my dad,

00:53:47.340 I said, you know,

00:53:48.040 I was probably three years old.

00:53:49.140 Dad, I remember it clearly.

00:53:50.540 The difference between

00:53:51.060 a boy and a girl, right?

00:53:52.440 The boys have short hair.

00:53:53.800 The girls have long hair, right?

00:53:54.880 He said, oh,

00:53:55.160 there's a little more to it than that,

00:53:56.460 but it didn't matter.

00:53:57.640 My definition was

00:53:58.460 just as good as any other,

00:53:59.500 you know?

00:53:59.680 And there's this great concept

00:54:02.420 that Leon Kass,

00:54:03.920 the great bioethicist

00:54:04.920 at UChicago makes,

00:54:06.560 which is he describes

00:54:07.460 the wisdom of repugnance,

00:54:09.360 to use John Haidt's example

00:54:10.540 of going home with the chicken

00:54:11.840 or many other examples.

00:54:14.300 There were certain,

00:54:15.000 there was just one

00:54:15.640 that cropped up in the press

00:54:16.580 the other day

00:54:17.120 and they said,

00:54:18.020 why would it be wrong

00:54:19.160 for two siblings,

00:54:20.500 let's say the two siblings

00:54:21.260 are the same sex, twins,

00:54:22.840 to have an incestuous relationship

00:54:24.580 because they're twins,

00:54:25.680 there's no risk of procreation,

00:54:27.160 no worry about inbreeding.

00:54:28.460 To have babies or anything.

00:54:29.000 Yeah, so why,

00:54:30.660 what's wrong with that?

00:54:32.100 And for most people,

00:54:34.140 spur of the moment,

00:54:34.900 they probably wouldn't give you

00:54:36.040 the rational explanation

00:54:37.300 for why that's wrong.

00:54:38.200 Not saying it can't be done,

00:54:39.140 but they wouldn't give it to you.

00:54:40.420 But we have something

00:54:41.300 which is a wisdom of repugnance

00:54:43.260 and that carries a hell

00:54:45.800 of a lot more weight

00:54:46.700 than some cockamamie answer

00:54:48.200 from a man in a dress

00:54:49.140 talking to the president on air.

00:54:50.500 But it's interesting

00:54:51.080 if you read Jonathan Haidt

00:54:52.140 because there is this movement,

00:54:53.260 this evolutionary biology

00:54:54.660 where they say,

00:54:55.540 oh, all this evolved

00:54:56.640 and created.

00:54:57.340 The fact that when you smell

00:54:58.860 something disgusting,

00:55:00.540 you suddenly think

00:55:02.040 it may be immoral.

00:55:03.620 They think,

00:55:04.000 well, this just evolved.

00:55:05.120 The moral sense in that case

00:55:07.180 would be the only sense

00:55:08.280 that we've evolved

00:55:09.120 that refers to nothing.

00:55:10.620 Our eyes refer to things

00:55:11.880 that you can see.

00:55:12.460 You know, the moral sense

00:55:14.540 refers to morality,

00:55:15.980 an actual thing

00:55:16.760 that is actually there.

00:55:17.980 And Jonathan Haidt is interesting

00:55:19.100 because he makes the argument

00:55:20.480 basically that it's all evolved,

00:55:22.860 but something in him stops,

00:55:24.940 which is not true of Paul Bloom,

00:55:27.220 I think his name is.

00:55:28.040 Yeah, it's not true of him.

00:55:29.180 He calls evolution

00:55:30.520 the origin of good and evil

00:55:32.000 in his book,

00:55:32.980 which is nonsense.

00:55:34.200 But Jonathan Haidt stops

00:55:35.280 and says, you know,

00:55:36.100 there may be something to this.

00:55:37.300 There may be something

00:55:38.000 to this repugnance.

00:55:39.180 And I think that's the only

00:55:40.100 logical, sensible way to behave.

00:55:42.320 Yeah, that's absolutely true.

00:55:43.700 And, you know,

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00:57:19.320 That was the best one

00:57:20.120 of the night,

00:57:20.520 I guess.

00:57:20.660 Stop it.

00:57:21.220 Come on.

00:57:21.600 I thought mine was better.

00:57:23.840 You would.

00:57:25.140 You know,

00:57:25.480 two of our

00:57:26.100 compatriots

00:57:27.140 aren't with us tonight.

00:57:27.860 Candice is off

00:57:28.740 baptizing her child

00:57:30.180 in the UK.

00:57:30.940 I think you were

00:57:31.400 with her briefly.

00:57:32.200 In fact,

00:57:32.840 you know why

00:57:33.720 I got picked for godfather?

00:57:34.860 Tell me why.

00:57:35.320 It's not.

00:57:35.900 You're the godfather?

00:57:36.620 I'm the godfather,

00:57:37.320 actually.

00:57:37.880 You know what?

00:57:38.340 So some people think,

00:57:39.380 you know.

00:57:39.740 You're Sicilian.

00:57:40.460 That's what.

00:57:41.020 That's obvious.

00:57:41.520 It's not the Catholic thing.

00:57:42.560 It has nothing to do with it.

00:57:43.580 It's so that I can grant favors

00:57:45.000 on the day

00:57:46.160 of my goddaughter's wedding.

00:57:47.900 Yeah.

00:57:48.240 That's fantastic.

00:57:49.420 And of course,

00:57:50.180 Jordan Peterson

00:57:50.660 not with us,

00:57:51.560 although he was with

00:57:53.480 young Spencer Clavin

00:57:54.780 in Athens

00:57:55.320 two weeks ago

00:57:56.320 and he was with

00:57:56.820 the two of us

00:57:57.340 in Israel

00:57:57.800 the week before that

00:57:59.060 and an unbelievable experience.

00:58:02.600 He jet sets more

00:58:03.340 than any human.

00:58:04.220 He is a force of nature.

00:58:07.540 And right after this show

00:58:08.580 tonight,

00:58:09.280 we will be releasing

00:58:10.140 our new special

00:58:11.620 with Jordan,

00:58:12.020 the first episode

00:58:12.580 of our new special

00:58:13.280 on marriage.

00:58:15.000 I'm really excited

00:58:16.060 about our project

00:58:16.860 with Jordan.

00:58:17.420 You know,

00:58:17.580 we announced in June

00:58:19.160 that he was joining

00:58:20.060 Daily Wire Plus,

00:58:21.620 but we didn't have

00:58:22.280 a lot to show for it.

00:58:23.300 We had that first special

00:58:24.260 which is a tremendous

00:58:25.340 piece of work,

00:58:26.020 Dragons, Monsters, and Men

00:58:27.060 and we had his podcast

00:58:28.980 in Members Block.

00:58:30.680 Okay, that's great.

00:58:31.500 He was doing,

00:58:31.900 the podcast pre-existed us

00:58:33.160 so, you know,

00:58:34.100 we're very happy to have it

00:58:35.160 but it's not like

00:58:35.680 something that Daily Wire

00:58:36.980 brought to the table.

00:58:39.260 Between now

00:58:40.100 and the end of this year

00:58:42.020 which is only two months hence,

00:58:43.980 we're going to be releasing

00:58:45.080 so much incredible

00:58:47.060 premium,

00:58:48.940 exclusive Jordan Peterson content

00:58:50.560 that has never been seen before

00:58:52.080 or can't be seen anywhere else.

00:58:53.660 People aren't going to believe

00:58:54.880 the body of work

00:58:56.460 that we're putting in,

00:58:57.740 that we're going to be putting

00:58:58.560 into the world

00:58:59.060 starting tonight

00:58:59.880 with the first episode

00:59:00.740 of marriage.

00:59:01.900 We have an incredible special

00:59:04.300 coming out with Jordan

00:59:05.600 on vision

00:59:06.140 and an incredible special

00:59:08.380 that he shot in Athens

00:59:09.520 on depression and anxiety

00:59:11.440 and how to face those demons.

00:59:14.780 We have,

00:59:16.380 I can't even talk about all of it

00:59:17.780 because it's not my place.

00:59:18.600 Some of it is his to announce

00:59:20.100 but I think it's fair to say

00:59:21.820 that by,

00:59:22.440 you know,

00:59:23.420 eight weeks from today

00:59:24.540 there will be,

00:59:25.760 I don't know,

00:59:27.320 20 hours

00:59:28.220 or 30 hours

00:59:29.060 of premium,

00:59:29.900 exclusive Peterson content

00:59:31.380 that we've been working on

00:59:32.400 since June

00:59:32.880 and we're really excited

00:59:33.520 to bring to bear.

00:59:34.780 I'm thrilled about this one

00:59:35.960 because on the night

00:59:36.720 that we announced

00:59:37.240 that Jordan was joining us

00:59:38.280 at the Ryman,

00:59:39.460 we had an unbelievable conversation

00:59:40.920 about marriage.

00:59:41.520 I think it's something

00:59:42.360 that our audience

00:59:43.060 really responded to.

00:59:44.180 We've gotten so much

00:59:44.760 great feedback about it.

00:59:46.980 So we asked Jordan

00:59:47.700 just to expand on the issue

00:59:48.960 and he did so

00:59:50.240 in this three-part special

00:59:51.380 on marriage.

00:59:52.500 You can get it tonight

00:59:53.320 right after the show

00:59:54.160 if you're a member

00:59:55.120 at Daily Wire Plus.

00:59:56.300 Again,

00:59:57.300 you know,

00:59:57.800 our members are what

00:59:58.380 make it possible

00:59:58.840 for us to make

00:59:59.680 really premium content

01:00:00.840 like this marriage special

01:00:02.640 and so they'll be able

01:00:04.720 to watch this tonight.

01:00:06.140 You can head over

01:00:06.440 to dailywireplus.com,

01:00:07.780 click that subscribe button

01:00:09.280 and I brought here

01:00:10.860 for sort of a world premiere.

01:00:12.260 I hate that Jordan

01:00:12.740 isn't with us for it

01:00:13.660 but we're going to get

01:00:15.120 to see the first minute

01:00:16.060 of the special

01:00:17.220 that's ever been released

01:00:18.060 right now.

01:00:19.760 What grows you up?

01:00:21.600 Responsibility,

01:00:22.360 sacrifice,

01:00:23.340 a vision of the future.

01:00:25.060 And so people grow up

01:00:26.080 when they get married

01:00:26.760 and it's probably better

01:00:27.760 to get married

01:00:28.340 when you're young

01:00:29.040 because then you grow up.

01:00:30.740 If you're still an adolescent

01:00:31.980 by the time you're 40,

01:00:33.440 you're a creep.

01:00:35.000 You're the sort of person

01:00:35.980 that you don't even

01:00:36.700 want to be around.

01:00:38.960 So you don't want to be

01:00:40.080 the oldest person

01:00:40.920 at the frat party.

01:00:42.000 That is not pretty.

01:00:43.840 There's something

01:00:44.600 rotten about that

01:00:45.860 and I mean in that

01:00:46.940 contemptible sense.

01:00:49.380 It's something

01:00:50.940 that's overstayed

01:00:52.000 its welcome, man.

01:00:53.700 And, you know,

01:00:54.440 people are willing

01:00:55.100 to forgive you

01:00:55.780 your immaturity

01:00:56.320 when you're 22 or 23

01:00:57.700 or 28 maybe

01:00:58.720 or even 30

01:00:59.660 but, man,

01:01:01.300 if you're still playing

01:01:02.040 that game

01:01:02.460 when you're 40,

01:01:04.160 you are not

01:01:05.540 a happy person

01:01:06.400 and you're going

01:01:07.180 to be motivated

01:01:07.980 to go out there

01:01:08.620 and make everyone miserable.

01:01:10.680 And so,

01:01:11.160 grow the hell up.

01:01:12.140 But what does he

01:01:15.940 really think?

01:01:17.540 Don't beat around the book.

01:01:18.480 It's such an important topic.

01:01:19.660 You know,

01:01:20.060 people get married

01:01:21.240 on average

01:01:21.740 like 10 years later

01:01:22.640 now than they did.

01:01:23.520 It's destroying the country.

01:01:24.560 That's right.

01:01:24.900 And all of Western civilization.

01:01:26.380 It really is.

01:01:26.980 I mean,

01:01:27.140 people aren't having babies.

01:01:28.240 He's exactly right.

01:01:29.100 People aren't getting married

01:01:30.340 at an age

01:01:31.380 where they actually

01:01:31.940 are able to grow up

01:01:32.660 with one another

01:01:33.240 because your wife

01:01:33.820 shapes you

01:01:34.300 and you shape her

01:01:34.980 and that makes you

01:01:35.640 both better people.

01:01:36.940 You know,

01:01:37.180 when I married my wife,

01:01:38.400 I just turned 24

01:01:39.640 and she was 20

01:01:40.700 and we've spent

01:01:42.340 our lives

01:01:42.740 growing up together.

01:01:44.100 I mean,

01:01:44.360 now I'm 38

01:01:44.900 and she's,

01:01:46.560 you know,

01:01:46.780 35

01:01:47.140 and that's a long time

01:01:48.940 to spend

01:01:49.200 and half her life,

01:01:50.620 you know,

01:01:50.880 basically,

01:01:51.700 we've spent together

01:01:52.400 and that means

01:01:53.480 that you grow

01:01:54.000 and you change

01:01:54.600 and you have experiences

01:01:55.340 and then you bring kids

01:01:56.120 into the world

01:01:56.460 and that radically changes you

01:01:57.560 even more than just

01:01:58.300 the marriage.

01:01:59.100 And when Jordan says

01:02:00.880 that if you're 40

01:02:01.920 and single,

01:02:02.360 you're blowing it,

01:02:02.980 he is cutting directly

01:02:03.780 against the grain

01:02:04.400 of all current

01:02:05.260 conventional wisdom

01:02:06.000 which is the best thing

01:02:06.740 that you can do

01:02:07.260 is delay marriage

01:02:08.040 and delay marriage

01:02:08.780 until you make associate

01:02:09.920 at the law firm

01:02:10.540 working 2,200 hours a year.

01:02:12.680 Well,

01:02:12.820 now they say grow up

01:02:13.900 and then get married

01:02:14.660 and in the past

01:02:15.680 they said get married

01:02:16.520 and grow up.

01:02:17.400 So that you can grow up.

01:02:18.480 My dad used to make

01:02:19.420 a point about this.

01:02:20.060 He used to say,

01:02:20.640 people would ask him

01:02:21.580 about when to get married

01:02:22.680 and he said,

01:02:23.640 well,

01:02:23.960 or how to find

01:02:24.500 the right person.

01:02:25.300 And what he always said

01:02:25.760 is you have to make

01:02:26.180 the decision

01:02:26.520 to get married

01:02:27.160 before you find

01:02:27.820 the right person

01:02:28.320 because if you didn't

01:02:29.580 make the decision

01:02:30.100 that you wanted

01:02:30.560 to get married,

01:02:31.340 then the right person

01:02:31.880 could come along

01:02:32.420 and you could just

01:02:32.860 pull him out of the water.

01:02:34.640 You actually have to make the,

01:02:35.520 like we live in a society

01:02:36.560 where we sort of

01:02:37.160 decide the opposite.

01:02:37.980 It's like,

01:02:38.080 oh,

01:02:38.220 I'll fall in love

01:02:38.740 with the person

01:02:39.220 and then we'll have sex

01:02:40.300 and then maybe like

01:02:41.140 four years down the road

01:02:41.980 we'll get married.

01:02:42.660 We've completely reversed

01:02:43.400 the polarity

01:02:44.520 and the order of events.

01:02:45.800 Look at the sitcoms

01:02:46.500 from the 90s

01:02:47.020 versus the sitcoms

01:02:47.780 from the 60s, right?

01:02:48.520 In the 60s it was

01:02:49.260 you fall in love,

01:02:50.500 you get married,

01:02:51.180 you have sex.

01:02:52.040 Now it's you have sex

01:02:53.420 and then it's really hard

01:02:54.520 for you to say

01:02:54.840 if you fell in love

01:02:55.280 with the person, right?

01:02:55.800 That's like the big move

01:02:56.680 in a sitcom now

01:02:57.400 is did you fall in love

01:02:58.540 and then you never get married.

01:02:59.420 I mean marriage

01:02:59.740 is so passing.

01:03:01.000 Marriage is the series finale.

01:03:02.960 You know,

01:03:03.120 there's another aspect of this

01:03:04.540 which is that

01:03:05.120 as we delay

01:03:06.800 the onset of adulthood,

01:03:09.380 the left also wants

01:03:10.520 to reduce the age

01:03:11.600 of things like voting.

01:03:12.960 You know,

01:03:13.480 I don't think 18-year-olds

01:03:14.940 today should be able to vote

01:03:16.140 is the honest truth.

01:03:17.580 And you could say,

01:03:18.060 well,

01:03:18.280 you're saying that people

01:03:18.980 should be able to serve

01:03:19.680 in the military

01:03:20.140 and they shouldn't be able to vote?

01:03:21.320 Well,

01:03:21.520 I'll let those ones vote

01:03:22.380 because they're doing something

01:03:23.520 that grows you up

01:03:24.220 called joining the military.

01:03:25.240 Right.

01:03:25.520 But no,

01:03:26.240 the whole point

01:03:27.140 of having a voting age

01:03:28.100 is that we don't want

01:03:28.740 children voting.

01:03:29.860 Children aren't mature

01:03:30.740 they don't have stakes.

01:03:31.680 They don't understand

01:03:32.200 the stakes that they do have.

01:03:33.620 So we don't want to,

01:03:34.320 you know,

01:03:34.600 Matt got in a little bit

01:03:35.720 of trouble

01:03:36.040 for some comments

01:03:37.140 that he made

01:03:37.460 back when he was a shock jock

01:03:38.780 about at what age

01:03:40.340 people should have sex.

01:03:41.760 And I don't want to,

01:03:43.860 I don't want to rehash

01:03:45.180 all the terrain

01:03:45.820 except to say that

01:03:46.840 it is at what age

01:03:48.860 they should get married.

01:03:49.760 It is,

01:03:50.060 thank you,

01:03:50.540 it is absolutely the case

01:03:51.900 that for the vast majority

01:03:53.380 of human history,

01:03:55.080 people who were

01:03:55.800 of the age of sexual maturity

01:03:57.660 were considered candidates

01:03:58.620 for marriage.

01:03:59.180 We all agree now

01:04:00.780 that that cannot possibly

01:04:02.160 be the standard

01:04:02.760 because you're still

01:04:04.240 a kid for so long.

01:04:05.420 The reason,

01:04:06.060 it's creepy for people

01:04:07.720 to get married

01:04:08.880 super young now

01:04:09.620 because we know,

01:04:11.040 because it cuts against

01:04:11.840 everything that we think

01:04:12.760 about the maturing process

01:04:14.280 and the age

01:04:14.820 at which people

01:04:15.240 should be mature.

01:04:16.700 And in some ways

01:04:18.520 that's a byproduct

01:04:19.220 of our success,

01:04:19.920 right?

01:04:20.080 We've been very successful

01:04:20.900 as a species.

01:04:22.060 We can protect people younger.

01:04:24.160 We don't have to shove you

01:04:24.800 out in the field

01:04:25.340 to work in the sun

01:04:27.400 when you're nine years old.

01:04:28.940 We don't have to put

01:04:29.720 those responsibilities.

01:04:30.280 Your life expectancy

01:04:30.880 isn't 35.

01:04:31.720 Life expectancy isn't 35.

01:04:33.340 And so I don't want

01:04:33.860 to make it sound

01:04:34.360 as though every aspect

01:04:35.520 of that progress

01:04:36.940 that we've had is bad.

01:04:39.900 But the fact that we say

01:04:42.360 that one should not grow up

01:04:44.000 or that marriage

01:04:45.020 isn't an instrumental part

01:04:46.020 of the process of growing up,

01:04:47.360 I do think is really bad.

01:04:47.960 It used to be that we said,

01:04:49.380 okay, we'll delay adulthood, right?

01:04:50.740 Adulthood isn't when you're 14.

01:04:52.040 My wife's grandmother

01:04:53.940 got married to 14 in Morocco, right?

01:04:55.900 Almost all of our

01:04:56.580 great-grandparents probably got married.

01:04:57.680 The Virgin Mary

01:04:58.320 was probably 15 when she got married.

01:04:59.900 But we don't do that anymore.

01:05:02.500 But real adulthood

01:05:03.320 sets in when you're 18, right?

01:05:04.880 And now real adulthood

01:05:05.800 sets in after death.

01:05:07.660 The idea in our society

01:05:09.840 is not to push back the line

01:05:11.220 a little bit

01:05:11.820 so that you actually have

01:05:12.600 a little bit more brain development

01:05:13.540 and can make better decisions

01:05:14.740 about your values.

01:05:15.720 The idea is obliterate the line

01:05:17.500 so it doesn't exist.

01:05:18.260 Well, the problem with that

01:05:19.140 goes both ways.

01:05:20.080 One is that you are

01:05:20.820 obliterating adulthood

01:05:22.040 so that you have fully grown adults

01:05:23.680 who are acting like children.

01:05:24.660 The other is

01:05:25.000 if there's no distinction

01:05:25.880 between adults and children

01:05:26.940 then you can start treating

01:05:28.040 children like adults, right?

01:05:29.600 And this is what you're currently seeing

01:05:31.140 with the trans movement.

01:05:32.800 The next thing that's going to happen,

01:05:34.100 again, I think we are living

01:05:35.700 in that meme,

01:05:36.500 you know, the slippery slope meme.

01:05:37.980 We did a whole podcast

01:05:38.620 on this last week.

01:05:39.840 The slippery slope meme

01:05:40.500 that shows the slippery slope

01:05:41.420 and it shows

01:05:42.140 it's not going to happen,

01:05:44.300 it's not going to happen,

01:05:44.920 it's not going to happen.

01:05:45.740 And then at the bottom

01:05:46.340 there's an arrow that says

01:05:46.940 you are here, right?

01:05:48.080 And that's exactly what it is, right?

01:05:49.420 I mean, they keep saying

01:05:50.280 it's not going to happen.

01:05:50.940 It's never going to happen.

01:05:52.640 We're never going to do that.

01:05:54.000 Well, you guys are currently

01:05:55.380 making the argument

01:05:56.080 that a five-year-old

01:05:57.020 is capable of choosing his gender.

01:05:59.220 So I'm going to need you

01:06:00.160 to explain how it's okay

01:06:01.220 for a five-year-old

01:06:01.760 to choose his gender

01:06:03.120 for the rest of his life

01:06:04.320 but that child

01:06:06.100 is not capable

01:06:06.740 of sexual choice.

01:06:08.400 By the way,

01:06:09.780 I don't think a child

01:06:10.260 is capable of either.

01:06:11.080 So I'm consistent.

01:06:11.920 So I'm asking you,

01:06:12.700 why don't you be consistent?

01:06:13.920 Explain to me how kids

01:06:14.700 are able to consent to

01:06:15.580 chopping off their dicks

01:06:16.760 at the age of 16

01:06:17.640 but they're not able.

01:06:18.680 What you're saying

01:06:19.200 is that we're on the verge

01:06:20.160 of the moment

01:06:20.700 when the left tries to say

01:06:22.200 that children can engage

01:06:24.140 in sex with adults,

01:06:25.160 essentially.

01:06:25.740 Yes.

01:06:26.060 I mean,

01:06:26.260 and what they're going to do

01:06:27.660 is that's happening also.

01:06:29.060 That very movement.

01:06:29.980 Oh, 100%.

01:06:30.920 And what it'll start with,

01:06:31.800 it'll start with

01:06:32.380 what they've already started

01:06:33.240 to do with is sort of

01:06:33.920 these Romeo and Juliet laws,

01:06:35.080 right?

01:06:35.200 It'll start with,

01:06:35.920 it's okay for a 15-year-old

01:06:37.280 to have sex with a 13-year-old.

01:06:38.260 What's really the problem?

01:06:39.040 And then it'll be,

01:06:39.400 what was 16 so bad?

01:06:40.700 And then I was like,

01:06:40.920 what is 18 so bad?

01:06:42.200 I mean,

01:06:42.340 just why I disagree with you

01:06:44.000 about grooming.

01:06:44.600 I think they are grooming

01:06:45.440 children for sexuality.

01:06:47.000 That is their definition

01:06:49.500 of identity.

01:06:50.480 Well,

01:06:50.720 but is it that you're disagreeing

01:06:52.060 or you're just,

01:06:52.700 you're discussing the two sides

01:06:54.200 of the very same thing,

01:06:55.200 which is you're describing

01:06:56.080 the physical enactment of it

01:06:57.680 and you're describing

01:06:58.140 the metaphysical version of it.

01:06:59.380 But the whole point is

01:07:00.340 they're kind of the same.

01:07:02.080 You know,

01:07:02.320 they're kind of intertwined.

01:07:03.300 By the way,

01:07:03.860 by the way,

01:07:04.440 what you talked about

01:07:05.420 about growing up

01:07:06.200 in a marriage

01:07:07.640 is doubly important

01:07:10.080 because you're growing up

01:07:11.000 with a woman.

01:07:11.900 Yes.

01:07:12.160 You know,

01:07:12.440 I mean,

01:07:12.720 I married my wife

01:07:15.320 like most people

01:07:15.920 marry their wife

01:07:16.420 because she was hot.

01:07:17.080 She was beautiful.

01:07:17.680 She was fun.

01:07:18.180 She was smart.

01:07:18.720 She was all those things

01:07:19.680 that really attracted.

01:07:21.160 But it wasn't

01:07:21.640 until about 10 years

01:07:23.180 after we had been together

01:07:24.460 when I started to think like,

01:07:26.440 oh,

01:07:26.880 you know,

01:07:27.140 like for the first 10 years

01:07:28.360 I was thinking,

01:07:28.860 well,

01:07:28.980 of course she has no capacity

01:07:29.920 for a reason.

01:07:30.680 You know,

01:07:30.840 she's,

01:07:31.260 I don't understand a word she's saying.

01:07:32.740 But then I kept noticing

01:07:33.480 that she was right

01:07:34.360 a lot of the time

01:07:35.140 and I couldn't understand it.

01:07:37.580 I started to think,

01:07:38.100 oh,

01:07:38.200 she's actually seeing the world

01:07:39.840 from a different point of view

01:07:41.300 and that is like putting on

01:07:42.640 those red and blue glasses

01:07:43.720 that suddenly turn the world

01:07:45.220 into three dimensions.

01:07:46.440 You suddenly become one flesh,

01:07:48.480 one person,

01:07:49.300 and you see things in a new

01:07:50.800 and deeper and richer way.

01:07:52.940 And that to me

01:07:53.700 transforms everything.

01:07:55.080 Yeah.

01:07:55.260 Because,

01:07:55.780 you know,

01:07:56.080 I'm never going to stop being a guy.

01:07:57.580 She's never going to stop being a girl.

01:07:58.920 She's the girliest girl I know.

01:08:00.340 I'm a very guy like guy.

01:08:01.740 But now I live in a unity

01:08:04.640 of male-female

01:08:06.860 that actually transforms everything

01:08:09.060 into reality,

01:08:10.240 into a reality you don't see before.

01:08:12.120 And the other advantage of getting,

01:08:14.200 you know,

01:08:14.300 it's kind of like the,

01:08:15.240 is marriage the cornerstone of adulthood

01:08:17.060 or the capstone?

01:08:18.880 And the advantage to it being

01:08:20.400 the cornerstone of young adulthood

01:08:21.720 is that,

01:08:22.520 as you said,

01:08:23.440 you're building a life together

01:08:25.420 and existence together

01:08:26.400 as opposed to,

01:08:27.700 let's get married when we're 35 or 40.

01:08:29.260 And now I have all of my own stuff.

01:08:32.780 Yes, that's right.

01:08:33.720 Everything is mine.

01:08:34.760 I have my own life,

01:08:35.760 my own money.

01:08:36.400 This is all mine.

01:08:37.540 And now you are coming into this thing

01:08:39.260 that I have built without you.

01:08:40.480 And by the way,

01:08:40.860 all your own experiences

01:08:41.960 and all the crap from your past,

01:08:43.400 which you see really break up marriages.

01:08:45.080 People come in with

01:08:45.740 all these terrible experiences

01:08:46.680 they've already had

01:08:47.180 with members of the opposite sex

01:08:48.200 and then they get married

01:08:48.960 and they're already heavily shaped.

01:08:50.220 And that's why we hear so much about,

01:08:51.720 well,

01:08:51.980 you know,

01:08:52.560 at the root of a lot of divorces

01:08:54.420 is money.

01:08:55.060 And I guess that's the case.

01:08:56.260 But for someone like myself,

01:08:57.200 I got married young.

01:08:58.560 I can't even imagine

01:08:59.840 why that would be the case.

01:09:00.660 We don't have any money issues

01:09:01.700 in my marriage

01:09:02.180 because all the money,

01:09:03.900 I make the money,

01:09:05.280 but it's our money.

01:09:06.220 It's in a joint bank account.

01:09:07.180 Like it was in a joint bank account

01:09:08.200 literally the day we got married.

01:09:09.640 And I'm also aware

01:09:11.120 because I have,

01:09:12.780 as I've been growing

01:09:14.280 and building my career

01:09:15.420 and all that,

01:09:16.100 I've had my wife with me

01:09:17.360 and none of this would have happened

01:09:18.280 without her.

01:09:18.780 So it's very clear to me

01:09:20.080 that this is something

01:09:21.120 we did together.

01:09:21.600 For, I think all of us.

01:09:22.920 So I think none of us

01:09:23.860 were either rich or famous.

01:09:25.360 Some of us are still not rich or famous.

01:09:26.520 But for those of us

01:09:28.120 who are both wealthy and famous,

01:09:30.200 I think all of us

01:09:31.200 were married to our spouses

01:09:32.240 long before we had

01:09:33.200 any of those things.

01:09:34.040 And that is a wonderful thing.

01:09:35.660 It's a wonderful thing.

01:09:36.800 I mean, my wife married a writer.

01:09:38.360 You know,

01:09:38.520 how crazy is that?

01:09:39.580 Yeah, I mean,

01:09:39.960 but the fact that your spouse

01:09:41.360 can still look at you,

01:09:42.300 and this is what you're saying,

01:09:43.620 you know,

01:09:43.820 if the marriage happens late,

01:09:45.800 this can't happen.

01:09:46.620 The fact that my wife

01:09:47.180 can still look at me

01:09:47.800 as the person who,

01:09:49.140 you know,

01:09:49.400 was 23 and just out of law school,

01:09:51.560 and she can say,

01:09:52.160 I see through all this crap, right?

01:09:53.280 Like, none of this makes

01:09:53.900 a bit of difference to me, right?

01:09:55.760 The person who you are

01:09:56.740 is not the person

01:09:57.440 who the rest of the world sees.

01:09:58.720 It's the person

01:09:59.300 who I've known

01:10:00.220 since long before you were that

01:10:01.440 to the rest of the world.

01:10:02.600 That's an amazing thing.

01:10:03.500 It also gives you the ability

01:10:04.440 to have somebody

01:10:05.200 who calls you on your bullshit,

01:10:06.060 which is like an actual real thing.

01:10:07.720 Once you get, you know,

01:10:08.600 to a certain level of power,

01:10:09.600 people just are really,

01:10:10.880 really afraid

01:10:11.520 to call you on your bullshit.

01:10:12.560 And having a group of people,

01:10:14.260 whether it's friends

01:10:14.940 or particularly your wife,

01:10:16.040 who's able to do that

01:10:17.020 is vital

01:10:17.980 because if you don't have that,

01:10:18.960 you spin off the rails

01:10:19.740 incredibly fast.

01:10:21.200 Yeah.

01:10:21.740 It actually didn't occur to me

01:10:23.180 until you said that,

01:10:24.080 that I think every single one of us

01:10:25.500 got married relatively broke.

01:10:28.180 Yeah.

01:10:28.500 At least, you're right.

01:10:29.500 I think every single one of us did.

01:10:30.720 Totally.

01:10:31.240 And it did,

01:10:31.740 I have noticed too,

01:10:33.320 that the harshest critic

01:10:34.740 and kind of best shaper

01:10:36.420 of my show

01:10:37.040 is sweet little Elisa,

01:10:38.740 where I'll have something

01:10:39.920 that I'm going to do on the show

01:10:40.880 or in a speech or something

01:10:41.460 where I think it's absolute dynamite

01:10:43.280 and she'll just,

01:10:44.300 you know, Mike,

01:10:45.200 that it just,

01:10:46.020 it just doesn't work, Mike.

01:10:47.680 I'm sorry.

01:10:48.480 I think, no,

01:10:50.100 but it actually,

01:10:50.700 nah, you're right.

01:10:51.280 You're right.

01:10:51.540 She's always right.

01:10:52.160 That's kind of what we're talking about

01:10:52.940 with Fetterman

01:10:54.080 is that I think a good wife

01:10:57.060 is your number one fan.

01:10:59.200 She's rooting for you.

01:11:00.180 She really believes in you

01:11:01.300 and believes in your dreams

01:11:02.960 and your aspirations.

01:11:03.720 Because you're her number one fan also.

01:11:04.940 Right, exactly.

01:11:05.660 But she also,

01:11:07.080 you know,

01:11:07.360 I think as men,

01:11:08.300 we need a woman

01:11:08.920 to let us know

01:11:10.200 when we're biting off

01:11:10.840 more than we can chew,

01:11:11.760 when we've hatched.

01:11:12.600 Because as men,

01:11:13.400 we're going to hatch

01:11:13.860 all kinds of crazy schemes

01:11:14.980 and plans.

01:11:15.420 I know that I do anyway.

01:11:16.640 And you need a woman there

01:11:18.240 because she can see

01:11:19.040 that blind spot

01:11:19.820 and she's going to tell you,

01:11:20.600 well, that's not going to work.

01:11:21.680 Whereas I think for men,

01:11:22.640 on the other hand,

01:11:23.860 this is my gender stereotypical

01:11:25.720 way of looking at it

01:11:26.420 is that, you know,

01:11:27.120 I rely on my wife

01:11:28.400 to let me know

01:11:29.360 when I've got some idea,

01:11:30.520 some plan

01:11:31.020 that's just like

01:11:31.600 utterly self-destructive

01:11:32.540 and it's going to destroy

01:11:33.060 the whole family.

01:11:34.740 But by the way,

01:11:35.440 that last sentence is the key.

01:11:36.880 Right,

01:11:36.960 that last part of the sentence

01:11:37.720 that it's going to destroy

01:11:38.260 the whole family.

01:11:39.080 Because my wife tends to think

01:11:40.920 in terms of

01:11:41.880 the effect on the family.

01:11:43.780 Right.

01:11:43.900 As a man,

01:11:44.260 my main thing is like

01:11:45.840 what is my effect on the world?

01:11:47.200 I mean,

01:11:47.320 I literally do that for a living.

01:11:48.360 What is my effect on the world?

01:11:49.380 What's my effect on society?

01:11:50.480 What's my effect on the people

01:11:51.260 who listen to the show?

01:11:52.280 And so I'll try to overcommit.

01:11:53.560 Okay,

01:11:53.740 I want to get all these things done,

01:11:55.060 right?

01:11:55.180 I mean,

01:11:55.260 there's so much to do

01:11:55.800 before you die, right?

01:11:56.720 You've got to get out there.

01:11:57.560 You've got to travel.

01:11:58.040 You've got to change people.

01:11:58.820 You've got to do all this.

01:11:59.440 And my wife will say yes,

01:12:00.100 but what about the kids?

01:12:01.600 Like,

01:12:01.820 do you want to be away

01:12:02.520 for that night?

01:12:03.280 Do you want to be able

01:12:04.100 to put the kids in bed?

01:12:05.400 Matt,

01:12:05.600 I want you to finish that thought.

01:12:07.480 Yeah,

01:12:07.740 well,

01:12:07.980 so I think on the other side,

01:12:09.200 that's what we rely on women for.

01:12:11.860 I think on the other hand,

01:12:12.880 as men,

01:12:14.160 you know,

01:12:14.400 women will tend to get involved in,

01:12:18.160 you know,

01:12:18.400 they might get involved

01:12:19.160 in personal feuds

01:12:20.060 and take things very personally

01:12:21.400 and have a tendency

01:12:23.480 to overreact

01:12:24.380 in those sorts of situations.

01:12:26.060 And that's where men

01:12:27.540 can be the voice of reason

01:12:28.480 and say,

01:12:28.820 well,

01:12:29.220 I don't think they really

01:12:30.020 meant it like that.

01:12:30.780 I don't think that's exactly what,

01:12:32.000 now,

01:12:32.120 it doesn't mean that women

01:12:32.640 are going to listen all the time,

01:12:33.540 but I do think that's the kind of,

01:12:35.180 we're both,

01:12:35.660 we can both be the voice of reason

01:12:37.140 and calm for each other

01:12:38.240 in these different situations

01:12:39.940 and see each other's blind spots.

01:12:41.560 We actually have an explicit

01:12:42.600 deal with my wife,

01:12:43.600 which is neither of us

01:12:44.360 is allowed to be,

01:12:44.900 we're not allowed to be grumpy

01:12:45.760 at the same time.

01:12:46.620 We have to take turns.

01:12:47.520 We actually,

01:12:47.880 we'll balance it out.

01:12:48.540 I'll literally be like,

01:12:49.240 it's my turn to be grumpy,

01:12:50.180 I get to be grumpy right now.

01:12:51.340 And she'll go,

01:12:51.720 okay,

01:12:52.380 all right.

01:12:53.060 And then when it's time

01:12:53.640 for her to be grumpy,

01:12:54.320 then I'll say,

01:12:54.740 okay,

01:12:54.920 you know what?

01:12:55.500 You're right,

01:12:55.840 it's your turn to be grumpy.

01:12:57.080 And you do need that balance.

01:12:58.480 And again,

01:12:58.840 the differences between men and women

01:12:59.900 are not only beautiful,

01:13:01.840 they are vital.

01:13:02.700 And pretending that those differences

01:13:03.740 are of no consequence whatsoever

01:13:05.560 and that other alternative forms

01:13:07.580 of family structure

01:13:08.360 are therefore equivalent

01:13:09.220 in any way at all,

01:13:10.720 they're different.

01:13:11.660 They're different.

01:13:12.620 I mean,

01:13:12.720 there's no other way to put that.

01:13:13.660 But this is why,

01:13:14.540 I mean,

01:13:14.760 to both of these points,

01:13:16.260 this is why the personal

01:13:17.860 is the political is so powerful.

01:13:19.560 One,

01:13:20.040 it obviously came from the feminists

01:13:21.700 because women tend to be

01:13:23.340 more personally focused.

01:13:24.940 And traditionally,

01:13:25.520 women took care

01:13:26.320 of the private part of life

01:13:27.420 and men were more public facing

01:13:29.680 and were more interested

01:13:30.640 in the political side.

01:13:31.760 And so it's no surprise

01:13:32.820 that the feminists

01:13:33.480 would then seek

01:13:34.360 to meld those two.

01:13:35.440 But then it's obviously the case

01:13:37.380 that the personal

01:13:38.360 is the political.

01:13:39.600 You know,

01:13:39.740 the country is just made up

01:13:40.940 of people

01:13:41.420 and of our personal lives.

01:13:43.100 And so we think of marriage

01:13:44.000 as being private.

01:13:45.180 Well,

01:13:45.420 if marriage becomes

01:13:47.140 completely distorted,

01:13:48.680 that's obviously going

01:13:49.780 to have political effects.

01:13:50.860 And you've seen that play out

01:13:51.740 now for 60 years.

01:13:52.880 It's also amazing to me

01:13:54.500 that the left

01:13:55.040 has managed to take

01:13:55.940 what is for most of us

01:13:57.300 the central consolation

01:13:59.060 of tragic life

01:14:00.020 and make it,

01:14:01.400 as they say,

01:14:01.940 problematical.

01:14:03.020 I mean,

01:14:03.160 I was just reading,

01:14:03.960 you know,

01:14:04.100 I was looking,

01:14:04.760 you know how you have

01:14:05.340 those things that come up,

01:14:06.280 pop up on your thing.

01:14:07.240 You might want to look at this

01:14:08.120 and it's just clickbait.

01:14:09.460 And I fell for it

01:14:10.600 and I was reading

01:14:11.200 some BuzzFeed thing

01:14:12.180 about,

01:14:12.500 you know,

01:14:13.120 tweets in marriage

01:14:14.040 or tweets about marriage.

01:14:15.500 And it was all this

01:14:16.280 kind of low,

01:14:17.380 you know,

01:14:18.220 bathroom humor.

01:14:19.840 It was all about,

01:14:20.420 oh,

01:14:20.600 you know,

01:14:20.760 now we're so intimate.

01:14:21.640 We're in the bathroom

01:14:22.340 together and all this stuff.

01:14:23.480 And I thought,

01:14:23.820 I don't do that.

01:14:24.900 Not me.

01:14:25.160 I live with a lady,

01:14:26.420 man.

01:14:26.720 I don't treat her.

01:14:27.960 I don't treat her

01:14:28.660 like my sister.

01:14:29.500 I treat her like my wife.

01:14:31.100 You went to the bathroom

01:14:31.700 with your sister?

01:14:32.480 What's that?

01:14:33.360 What's that?

01:14:34.580 I said,

01:14:35.140 you went to the bathroom

01:14:35.900 with your sister?

01:14:38.700 I didn't have a sister.

01:14:40.020 I probably would have

01:14:40.740 spied on her.

01:14:42.520 But no,

01:14:43.120 I mean,

01:14:43.420 you know,

01:14:43.680 this is actually

01:14:44.780 the joy of every day,

01:14:46.700 of every day

01:14:47.380 that you are living

01:14:48.100 with a woman,

01:14:49.040 which is one of the fun,

01:14:50.380 happy things of life.

01:14:51.500 It's a celebratory thing.

01:14:53.000 To your point, too,

01:14:54.360 because this came up

01:14:54.940 in our members block,

01:14:58.840 I got an email

01:15:00.140 from a guy.

01:15:01.300 I don't think he's

01:15:01.900 a leftist at all.

01:15:02.560 In fact,

01:15:02.660 I know he's not.

01:15:04.400 But he was of this

01:15:05.500 certain frame of mind

01:15:08.100 that we're just

01:15:08.980 going to give up on,

01:15:09.880 men should just give up

01:15:10.700 on marriage.

01:15:11.080 It's a losing game.

01:15:12.540 It doesn't work.

01:15:14.060 The system's rigged

01:15:14.960 against us.

01:15:15.440 Go your own way.

01:15:16.220 Family courts are rigged

01:15:17.060 against us and all that.

01:15:18.380 And then he reveals

01:15:18.980 at the end that

01:15:19.580 apparently he was married

01:15:21.360 and it didn't work out.

01:15:22.360 And you don't have sex anymore

01:15:24.040 when you get married,

01:15:24.540 all this kind of stuff.

01:15:25.500 And so he had

01:15:26.160 a negative experience

01:15:26.760 with it.

01:15:26.900 He's projecting it

01:15:27.620 onto everybody else,

01:15:28.540 saying this is how

01:15:29.100 it's going to be

01:15:29.400 for everybody.

01:15:30.400 Younger men hear this

01:15:31.520 and they take it to heart

01:15:32.500 when, of course,

01:15:33.740 our message has to be,

01:15:34.620 well, that was his experience.

01:15:35.360 It doesn't have to be everyone's.

01:15:36.720 But also,

01:15:37.860 it's important to have

01:15:38.560 the message that

01:15:39.320 what you're articulating,

01:15:40.880 there are risks in marriage

01:15:42.460 and some of that

01:15:43.820 is just the nature

01:15:45.360 of the beast.

01:15:45.840 It's human nature.

01:15:46.900 Some of it is built

01:15:47.580 into our system.

01:15:48.400 I mean,

01:15:48.540 I think the family courts

01:15:49.240 are rigged against men.

01:15:51.760 It is a risk,

01:15:52.940 but it's a risk worth

01:15:54.920 taking because of

01:15:55.920 what you get out of.

01:15:56.440 You know,

01:15:56.580 I have a solution to this.

01:15:57.720 This is the Knoll's prenup

01:15:59.400 because I know

01:16:00.840 people's marriages

01:16:01.560 who have broken down

01:16:02.320 and the main reason

01:16:03.060 they break down

01:16:03.640 is because two people

01:16:05.600 go in with a completely

01:16:06.540 different understanding

01:16:07.460 of marriage.

01:16:08.280 And so naturally,

01:16:09.080 it's going to break down.

01:16:10.180 So sometimes people write in,

01:16:11.600 I don't want to get a prenup

01:16:12.680 because I have this,

01:16:13.800 you know,

01:16:14.320 sacred traditional view

01:16:15.220 of marriage,

01:16:15.780 but I don't know,

01:16:16.380 these days the courts

01:16:17.180 are rigged against men

01:16:18.040 and we got our own stuff

01:16:19.060 and blah, blah, blah,

01:16:19.700 whatever.

01:16:20.200 So the Knoll's prenup

01:16:21.220 is this.

01:16:22.280 When you both have

01:16:23.120 the same idea of marriage

01:16:24.340 and you're both committed to it,

01:16:25.500 you sign a prenup saying,

01:16:27.240 okay,

01:16:28.340 whoever breaks up the marriage,

01:16:29.960 whoever wants out of the marriage

01:16:31.080 forfeits everything.

01:16:32.800 Forfeits the money,

01:16:33.640 forfeits the house,

01:16:34.460 forfeits the kids,

01:16:35.520 forfeits everything.

01:16:36.200 Maybe you have a few exceptions

01:16:37.240 and some kind of crazy,

01:16:38.780 but that's domestic abuse

01:16:40.460 or whatever,

01:16:41.080 you know,

01:16:41.460 but you have these little carve-outs

01:16:43.000 but you say,

01:16:43.480 okay,

01:16:43.620 that's my,

01:16:44.520 I think that would be a way

01:16:45.700 to use the legal system

01:16:46.800 that's rigged against marriage

01:16:47.800 to help save.

01:16:48.540 Marriage was always a contract.

01:16:49.780 Right.

01:16:50.200 Right?

01:16:50.400 I mean,

01:16:50.580 like it's literally in Judaism,

01:16:52.260 what got me married

01:16:53.120 is called a ketubah.

01:16:53.960 It's literally a contract.

01:16:55.160 It is framed.

01:16:55.860 It is in my house.

01:16:56.740 Okay,

01:16:56.880 the ketubah is written in Aramaic

01:16:58.280 and it specifies things like

01:16:59.580 my duties to her

01:17:01.180 and her duties to me

01:17:02.060 and these things include

01:17:03.020 like providing for the family,

01:17:04.400 a sex life,

01:17:05.060 like these,

01:17:05.500 like the basic things of marriage

01:17:06.840 but we've become so individualized

01:17:08.820 that even the things

01:17:09.620 that everybody understood

01:17:10.320 were part of marriage

01:17:10.820 are no longer considered

01:17:11.640 part of marriage,

01:17:12.300 right?

01:17:12.660 Like Dennis Prager got himself

01:17:13.700 in all sorts of hot water,

01:17:14.680 I remember a few years ago,

01:17:15.660 for suggesting

01:17:16.160 that in a marriage,

01:17:17.300 a woman has a responsibility

01:17:18.300 to have sex with her husband.

01:17:19.380 Oh my God,

01:17:19.820 they did this to my sister-in-law,

01:17:21.280 Caitlin.

01:17:21.900 Right.

01:17:22.260 How dare you say this?

01:17:25.220 No,

01:17:25.680 there is never an obligation

01:17:26.720 to have sex.

01:17:27.500 Well,

01:17:27.620 I mean,

01:17:27.780 okay,

01:17:27.960 then there's not an obligation

01:17:28.700 for the marriage to continue.

01:17:30.100 I mean,

01:17:30.300 like that's obviously,

01:17:32.020 conjugal duties are part of marriage.

01:17:34.080 They always have been.

01:17:34.960 In fact,

01:17:35.500 one of the chief draws of marriage

01:17:37.100 was the conjugal duties

01:17:38.320 from the very beginning.

01:17:39.260 And the Bible actually explicitly says

01:17:41.620 not to withhold yourselves

01:17:42.600 from one another.

01:17:43.140 I mean,

01:17:43.540 again,

01:17:43.920 like this notion

01:17:45.000 that you only have sex

01:17:46.560 when you are in just

01:17:47.700 the greatest possible mood,

01:17:49.520 then no one would ever have sex

01:17:50.280 pretty much ever,

01:17:50.940 except for dudes,

01:17:51.520 right?

01:17:51.680 I mean,

01:17:51.840 like that's just the way

01:17:53.040 that it would work,

01:17:53.820 but it's an absurdity

01:17:55.440 that's been pressed forward

01:17:56.260 by the radical individualism

01:17:57.700 that we've been talking about

01:17:58.720 so far all along the way.

01:18:00.480 There's something else

01:18:00.960 when it comes to marriage also,

01:18:02.020 and that,

01:18:02.320 of course,

01:18:02.800 is the fact that you said

01:18:04.920 that it's one of the great

01:18:05.560 consolations in the face

01:18:06.680 of tragic life.

01:18:07.660 Well,

01:18:07.800 the greatest consolation

01:18:08.540 in the face of tragic life

01:18:09.560 is marriage

01:18:10.140 because it produces children,

01:18:11.300 which is the challenge to death,

01:18:12.560 right?

01:18:12.700 The way that you overcome death

01:18:13.880 as human beings

01:18:14.660 is you have future generations,

01:18:15.940 and this is clearly laid out

01:18:17.180 in Genesis.

01:18:18.100 This is perfectly obvious.

01:18:19.240 When you look at the story

01:18:20.580 of Genesis,

01:18:20.860 it's so beautiful, right?

01:18:21.600 When you look at the very beginning

01:18:22.380 of the book of Genesis,

01:18:23.740 it talks about

01:18:24.300 a man shall leave his family

01:18:26.240 and he shall cleave to his wife

01:18:27.120 and they'll become one flesh.

01:18:28.240 At the very beginning,

01:18:28.800 it talks about Adam and Eve.

01:18:30.220 Eve doesn't have a name

01:18:32.220 at the beginning.

01:18:32.900 She's just woman.

01:18:33.840 For the first several chapters

01:18:34.700 of the Bible,

01:18:35.300 she's just woman, right?

01:18:36.340 He's Adam.

01:18:37.220 His name doesn't change.

01:18:38.100 He's Adam,

01:18:38.900 which just means man,

01:18:40.120 and she's Isha, right?

01:18:41.920 She's woman.

01:18:42.900 The only time that she gets a name

01:18:44.060 is when she has a kid.

01:18:45.300 Once she has a kid,

01:18:46.040 he renames her.

01:18:46.600 And why?

01:18:46.980 Because she's the mother

01:18:47.480 of all living, right?

01:18:48.840 Eve is the mother of all...

01:18:49.540 That's when she loses.

01:18:50.700 His sense of her

01:18:51.480 up until that point,

01:18:52.420 she's just my other half, right?

01:18:53.520 She's just my complementary half.

01:18:54.920 She's not an actual individual

01:18:56.060 who's worth respecting

01:18:57.360 as a different person.

01:18:59.500 Then she has kids

01:19:00.360 and suddenly I see her

01:19:01.260 as something else.

01:19:02.540 This is one of the most amazing things

01:19:03.920 about this book

01:19:04.460 by Judith Butler,

01:19:05.300 This Gender Trouble.

01:19:06.300 I don't think there's

01:19:07.020 a single mention of motherhood

01:19:08.580 in the entire book.

01:19:09.740 Of course not.

01:19:09.880 And I kept thinking,

01:19:10.660 I kept thinking,

01:19:11.240 you know,

01:19:11.720 this is this idea

01:19:12.560 that there's no such thing

01:19:13.460 as a telos.

01:19:14.180 There's no such thing

01:19:14.740 as a purpose to anything.

01:19:15.940 It's all this kind of random thing

01:19:17.800 that just unfolds.

01:19:19.060 But if sex has any purpose,

01:19:20.780 and of course it does,

01:19:21.920 why would we have it?

01:19:22.860 It's to create...

01:19:23.420 It's also like

01:19:24.120 if you wrote a book

01:19:24.680 about Superman,

01:19:25.440 you don't mention

01:19:25.880 that he can fly.

01:19:26.940 Ever.

01:19:27.480 Like it never...

01:19:28.220 That's exactly right.

01:19:29.520 And you think like,

01:19:30.180 well,

01:19:30.460 that is kind of

01:19:31.600 a defining factor

01:19:32.980 of why we're here together

01:19:34.700 and what happens

01:19:35.380 when you sleep.

01:19:35.920 But they've obliterated

01:19:36.900 the meaning of that.

01:19:37.480 Dylan Mulvaney

01:19:38.020 did an entire video

01:19:39.420 for Ulta

01:19:39.920 talking about

01:19:40.460 how he can be a mother.

01:19:42.220 No,

01:19:42.740 no you effing can.

01:19:44.640 No you cannot.

01:19:45.720 I want to talk about

01:19:46.360 this point that you made though

01:19:47.320 that we all were broke

01:19:48.220 when we got married.

01:19:49.860 Because that actually is...

01:19:51.840 I think there are

01:19:52.600 so many lies

01:19:53.440 put forward

01:19:53.960 in the culture

01:19:54.780 about marriage.

01:19:55.460 And most of the lies

01:19:56.540 target men,

01:19:57.280 but not all of the lies.

01:19:58.900 There are a bunch

01:19:59.680 of terrible lies

01:20:00.540 on social media

01:20:01.180 that target women

01:20:01.860 and women perpetuate them

01:20:03.020 and I hate them.

01:20:04.220 All this like

01:20:04.740 it's wine 30

01:20:05.680 kind of bullshit

01:20:06.400 that you see everywhere

01:20:07.260 in woman culture.

01:20:09.740 I hate it

01:20:10.280 because it essentially says

01:20:11.900 that being a wife

01:20:13.660 and a mother

01:20:14.020 is something

01:20:14.540 that you need

01:20:14.940 to basically drown out

01:20:16.420 that is just miserable

01:20:17.520 and misery and terrible.

01:20:19.000 It's awful.

01:20:20.000 But a lot of the cultural lies

01:20:21.560 are aimed at men.

01:20:23.560 You will have less sex

01:20:24.800 when you get married.

01:20:25.640 People who get married

01:20:26.140 never have sex.

01:20:26.740 That's a lot.

01:20:27.120 The only people

01:20:27.960 who have sex

01:20:28.440 are married people.

01:20:29.060 I know.

01:20:29.780 What are you talking about?

01:20:30.720 It is true

01:20:31.440 that you will have sex

01:20:32.200 with fewer distinct humans.

01:20:34.580 Hopefully.

01:20:35.100 Yeah, hopefully.

01:20:35.840 Once you're married

01:20:36.500 unless you...

01:20:37.660 Although by the way,

01:20:38.220 today that ain't even true.

01:20:39.920 Given the rise of pornography

01:20:40.780 to go back to our conversation

01:20:41.900 from last time,

01:20:42.500 that probably ain't true.

01:20:43.580 But it is certainly the case

01:20:45.800 that on average

01:20:46.900 married people

01:20:47.700 have far, far, far more sex.

01:20:50.580 But because they have a partner

01:20:52.940 to whom they have obligations,

01:20:55.020 you'll have less money.

01:20:56.760 You get so much richer

01:20:57.940 once you're married

01:20:58.540 and have obligation.

01:20:59.800 The thing about men

01:21:00.960 is that men only want

01:21:03.760 as much as they need

01:21:04.600 basically when they're single.

01:21:06.700 That's the...

01:21:07.340 That's absolutely true.

01:21:08.140 That's true.

01:21:08.840 It's true.

01:21:09.240 It's why you walk

01:21:09.720 into a man's apartment

01:21:10.420 and it's like a box

01:21:11.360 with a TV on it

01:21:12.140 and a toaster.

01:21:12.720 That's right.

01:21:13.520 Totally.

01:21:13.820 It's when you have responsibilities

01:21:15.000 that you begin to earn.

01:21:16.140 Yes, I was dead broke

01:21:17.280 when I got married

01:21:18.560 and I've been married

01:21:20.580 since 2009

01:21:21.520 and I am not dead broke.

01:21:23.640 But if you look at the...

01:21:25.180 It is a hockey stick graph.

01:21:27.180 If you look at...

01:21:27.920 Here's Jeremy's life

01:21:28.980 before he gets married.

01:21:29.980 Oh my gosh,

01:21:30.560 he figured it out.

01:21:31.620 Now, part of how

01:21:32.320 I figured it out

01:21:32.940 is that men helped me understand

01:21:34.340 as I've discussed before

01:21:35.740 that my values about money

01:21:37.500 needed to actually be practiced

01:21:38.540 and my friend Frank Brunner

01:21:40.700 also helped me

01:21:41.240 with that problem.

01:21:42.520 But marriage

01:21:43.200 is the fundamental thing

01:21:44.580 that changed.

01:21:45.740 Responsibility is the...

01:21:46.420 And then you get a kid

01:21:47.860 and you're like,

01:21:48.780 oh, I've really got to...

01:21:50.200 Oh, yeah.

01:21:50.880 And by the way,

01:21:51.780 it's not because you're like,

01:21:52.980 well, crap,

01:21:53.620 now I've got to take care

01:21:54.500 of this kid.

01:21:55.520 Crap, now I have to give up

01:21:56.560 what I want.

01:21:57.440 I had so many dreams in life.

01:22:00.800 They picked me...

01:22:01.380 My dreams picked me up

01:22:02.360 out of my small town.

01:22:03.620 They moved me west

01:22:04.880 to a place

01:22:05.340 that I'd never been.

01:22:06.380 They dropped me

01:22:06.980 in a city

01:22:07.380 that didn't want me.

01:22:08.660 They motivated me

01:22:10.600 to grind it out,

01:22:11.900 to work so hard.

01:22:13.100 I couldn't figure

01:22:13.480 out how to make money.

01:22:14.380 But I worked so hard.

01:22:15.600 I was so devoted

01:22:16.500 to pursuing those things.

01:22:19.500 All my dreams came true

01:22:20.880 once I had responsibilities.

01:22:22.660 It's not as though,

01:22:23.340 oh, I had to give up

01:22:24.160 all my dreams

01:22:24.880 and then go grind it out

01:22:26.100 at the salt mine

01:22:26.840 to provide for my kids.

01:22:27.940 It's the exact opposite.

01:22:29.200 Yep.

01:22:29.620 I got to tell you,

01:22:30.140 I was just talking

01:22:31.000 to a young man,

01:22:32.460 a very good-looking young man

01:22:33.940 with a lot of money.

01:22:35.260 Single.

01:22:35.460 Thank you.

01:22:36.000 No, no, no.

01:22:37.140 It was a different...

01:22:38.100 Another very good-looking...

01:22:39.380 No, and he was telling me

01:22:41.480 how you date today.

01:22:42.760 And he has 10 apps

01:22:44.120 on his phone.

01:22:44.680 And he says,

01:22:46.620 if I don't have sex

01:22:47.560 with a girl

01:22:47.920 by the second date,

01:22:49.140 you know, it's not...

01:22:50.540 But he was complaining

01:22:51.800 about the fact

01:22:52.300 that he couldn't find a wife.

01:22:53.500 And I said to him,

01:22:54.300 you know,

01:22:54.780 there was a point

01:22:56.040 in my married life

01:22:57.380 when I saw

01:22:58.200 that the default

01:22:59.540 for sex

01:23:00.120 had become yes

01:23:00.760 instead of no,

01:23:01.480 which it was

01:23:01.800 when I was young.

01:23:02.420 The default was no.

01:23:03.300 You convinced a woman

01:23:04.240 and that changed.

01:23:05.840 Now women have to work

01:23:06.840 to say no.

01:23:08.340 I said there was a point

01:23:08.980 where I kind of envied

01:23:09.960 young men

01:23:10.720 for growing up

01:23:11.440 in this sex-positive world

01:23:13.300 where they could

01:23:13.840 just have it

01:23:14.620 any time

01:23:15.020 they essentially wanted.

01:23:16.140 I said,

01:23:16.400 but when I listen to you,

01:23:17.780 I actually don't envy you

01:23:19.500 at all

01:23:19.880 because this has reduced you

01:23:21.820 to an animal.

01:23:22.880 And he said,

01:23:23.980 you're right.

01:23:24.600 Yeah.

01:23:24.720 You know,

01:23:25.380 he said,

01:23:25.860 I can't fall in love

01:23:27.360 because I think,

01:23:28.080 oh, you know,

01:23:28.800 there might be somebody else

01:23:29.780 who will sleep with me

01:23:30.500 down the road.

01:23:31.400 And I just thought

01:23:32.000 this is like

01:23:32.480 an actual tragic situation.

01:23:34.600 It's the situation

01:23:35.160 that we watch movies

01:23:36.120 and you watch pornography

01:23:37.340 and it's what they're offering you

01:23:38.700 and everybody thinks

01:23:39.580 they want it

01:23:40.240 but to actually live it

01:23:42.020 is very,

01:23:42.920 very depressing.

01:23:43.600 I think

01:23:43.900 one of the purest joys

01:23:46.960 available to men

01:23:47.900 that you can't understand

01:23:49.220 until you actually have kids

01:23:50.300 is the joy of providing.

01:23:53.420 Yeah, yes.

01:23:54.420 There's a certain joy

01:23:55.260 in being able

01:23:55.900 to provide for your family

01:23:56.960 and, you know,

01:23:57.920 I'm going to have six kids now

01:23:59.340 and the fact

01:24:01.740 that I can actually provide

01:24:03.220 for seven human beings

01:24:06.300 is just an enormous

01:24:08.500 profound joy

01:24:09.340 that I think...

01:24:10.400 You're welcome.

01:24:11.600 Hold on.

01:24:12.840 Are you not going to eat

01:24:14.020 or is your wife not?

01:24:15.420 Where's the seven?

01:24:16.540 But I also think,

01:24:18.800 you know,

01:24:19.640 Jordan brought up

01:24:20.660 to start the conversation

01:24:22.620 was that you're not really

01:24:23.600 like a man

01:24:24.200 until you have kids

01:24:25.380 and have a family.

01:24:26.020 I think that's part of that

01:24:27.380 is because being an adult

01:24:29.440 is learning how to serve,

01:24:31.420 learning how to find joy

01:24:32.280 and service.

01:24:32.760 That's part of adulthood.

01:24:33.600 Yes.

01:24:33.900 Which means that,

01:24:34.800 you know,

01:24:34.960 you can,

01:24:35.440 there are other paths.

01:24:36.760 Not everybody is called

01:24:38.060 to be a parent

01:24:39.700 or there are other forms

01:24:41.000 of fatherhood anyway,

01:24:41.680 like in the religious life,

01:24:42.460 for example.

01:24:43.140 But that is just another form

01:24:44.660 of fatherhood for a man

01:24:45.620 and it also is centered

01:24:47.040 around service.

01:24:48.020 And if you're not

01:24:48.960 living a life of service,

01:24:50.900 then you're not an adult.

01:24:52.360 And, you know,

01:24:52.800 there was a psychologist

01:24:54.300 whose name I forget,

01:24:55.560 so I'm just going to take his point

01:24:57.240 and claim it as my own.

01:24:58.340 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:58.580 Which was he defined addiction

01:25:00.740 as the constant narrowing

01:25:03.140 of things that give you pleasure

01:25:04.360 and recovery

01:25:06.020 as the expansion of things

01:25:07.240 that give you pleasure.

01:25:08.380 And this is so true

01:25:09.240 because, you know,

01:25:10.080 when we're just living

01:25:10.800 for our own base appetites

01:25:12.100 and we reduce ourselves

01:25:12.820 to animals,

01:25:13.480 it's always just some kind

01:25:14.880 of form of idolatry

01:25:15.800 and addiction.

01:25:16.680 So it could be drugs

01:25:18.060 or booze

01:25:18.740 or sex

01:25:19.280 or porn

01:25:19.740 or whatever.

01:25:20.680 But ultimately,

01:25:21.800 if you've ever fallen

01:25:22.860 into any of these temptations,

01:25:25.040 you have experienced

01:25:26.140 that the things,

01:25:27.360 it just,

01:25:27.900 that becomes the thing

01:25:28.840 that gives you pleasure

01:25:29.540 and it crowds out

01:25:30.660 everything else.

01:25:31.480 And so necessarily

01:25:32.960 when you get married,

01:25:34.300 when you have children,

01:25:35.500 hopefully when you,

01:25:36.500 I don't know,

01:25:36.980 you know,

01:25:37.200 go to church or something,

01:25:38.140 when you serve others

01:25:39.060 in your community,

01:25:39.740 when there are many

01:25:40.540 other things as well,

01:25:41.860 but especially with a family,

01:25:44.220 it just so inevitably

01:25:46.880 expands your capacity

01:25:48.700 for joy

01:25:49.340 and the categories

01:25:50.360 of things that give you joy.

01:25:51.660 Yeah.

01:25:51.880 It just breaks

01:25:52.740 those idolatries

01:25:53.580 and addiction.

01:25:54.140 The thing about service,

01:25:55.260 though, to me,

01:25:55.780 is everything

01:25:56.300 because there's a bad way

01:26:00.380 of doing everything

01:26:01.120 and a good way

01:26:01.700 of doing everything

01:26:02.280 and ambition

01:26:02.960 is one of those things

01:26:03.900 and if what you're ambitious

01:26:05.080 about is to serve

01:26:06.940 your family

01:26:07.480 and also to serve,

01:26:08.580 to find out

01:26:09.020 what you can do

01:26:09.860 that is actually worthwhile

01:26:11.300 to somebody else,

01:26:12.700 you have a very pure ambition

01:26:14.660 that actually doesn't depend

01:26:15.940 on money,

01:26:16.540 though hopefully

01:26:17.260 it will bring money in

01:26:18.660 and it just makes you

01:26:19.680 so much happier,

01:26:20.820 so much,

01:26:21.420 it's so much richer way

01:26:23.280 to live.

01:26:23.380 There's something to be said here

01:26:24.400 about when you talk about

01:26:25.840 serving your family,

01:26:27.340 one of the things

01:26:28.000 that you see very often

01:26:28.740 these days

01:26:29.100 is the idea

01:26:29.520 that I'm going to

01:26:29.920 serve humanity

01:26:30.540 and men always have

01:26:31.360 this kind of appetite

01:26:32.200 to serve humanity

01:26:33.000 and it's an immature appetite

01:26:34.200 because you can't serve

01:26:35.000 all of humanity

01:26:35.600 and politicians are constantly

01:26:38.820 talking in these terms.

01:26:39.880 I care about all the children.

01:26:42.100 Nancy Pelosi does this

01:26:43.100 all the time.

01:26:43.740 I'm doing this

01:26:44.460 all for the children

01:26:45.040 and chomping away

01:26:45.820 on her chompers

01:26:46.840 and all the rest of this

01:26:48.720 and the reality is

01:26:50.160 that the best politicians

01:26:51.360 are people

01:26:51.860 who I think

01:26:53.360 and be stereotypical now

01:26:54.800 they do have families

01:26:56.100 because they know

01:26:56.880 what it's like

01:26:57.320 to take care of a family

01:26:58.100 and then they say

01:26:58.620 the values that I have

01:26:59.560 in my family

01:27:00.100 are values that I think

01:27:00.980 might be promulgated

01:27:02.460 for other families

01:27:03.300 so they can have

01:27:03.800 a happy life

01:27:04.300 like the life that I have

01:27:05.520 and when you don't have that

01:27:06.960 when there's nothing

01:27:07.500 to go home to

01:27:07.960 when you've never lived

01:27:08.700 in the context of that

01:27:09.700 and seen all the competing interests

01:27:10.980 and when you've never

01:27:11.980 really had that locally

01:27:13.000 I think it's very difficult

01:27:14.160 to not become

01:27:15.200 a utopian world creator

01:27:16.580 because family life

01:27:18.100 presses in on you

01:27:19.020 it sets rules for you

01:27:20.640 you can't break those rules

01:27:22.640 you think you're in control

01:27:23.380 of your kids

01:27:23.580 you ain't in control

01:27:24.140 of your kids

01:27:24.520 your kids are in control

01:27:25.200 of you

01:27:25.420 you're in control

01:27:26.520 to a certain extent

01:27:27.120 but in the end

01:27:27.900 you're not

01:27:28.940 I mean like

01:27:29.360 the fact is

01:27:30.180 that there's just

01:27:30.620 going to be realities

01:27:31.240 that you run up against

01:27:32.020 because that's the way

01:27:33.080 life is

01:27:33.540 it gives you a certain

01:27:34.480 level of humility

01:27:35.180 going into the political world

01:27:36.540 and maybe you try

01:27:37.100 to achieve

01:27:37.520 really what family

01:27:38.860 to me is about

01:27:39.420 you try to achieve

01:27:40.220 the really key things

01:27:41.280 the most important things

01:27:42.340 it's liberty

01:27:42.880 within the important things

01:27:43.980 as a parent

01:27:44.680 you're only going to

01:27:45.380 get a few chances

01:27:46.080 to inculcate

01:27:46.700 the really important things

01:27:47.940 in your kids

01:27:48.480 that really really matter

01:27:49.540 so you build

01:27:49.880 entire structures

01:27:50.640 entire worlds around them

01:27:51.680 to inculcate

01:27:52.620 these really important things

01:27:53.740 but the rest of the time

01:27:54.260 you're not in control

01:27:54.820 well the same thing

01:27:55.760 is true in politics

01:27:56.380 but when you never

01:27:57.360 have that experience

01:27:58.100 then the tendency

01:27:59.480 is to say

01:28:00.120 well I care about

01:28:00.800 all of humanity equally

01:28:01.820 all of humanity

01:28:02.780 can be molded

01:28:03.580 in my utopian vision

01:28:04.480 I can change all the rules

01:28:05.380 for everybody

01:28:05.820 I can control every aspect

01:28:06.920 of their life

01:28:07.380 and fix all the things

01:28:08.040 it's fascinating

01:28:08.600 how many of the leaders

01:28:09.640 of Europe

01:28:10.100 over the past 15 years

01:28:11.600 have been childless

01:28:12.500 so many of them

01:28:13.520 and I think it also

01:28:14.900 you know there is this idea

01:28:16.360 that at some point

01:28:18.520 you start to think

01:28:19.080 well this is going to happen

01:28:20.040 in 30 years

01:28:20.620 I'm not going to be here

01:28:21.460 I don't care

01:28:22.040 but if you have kids

01:28:22.960 you start to care

01:28:23.660 you know you have grandkids

01:28:24.480 you really

01:28:24.840 and it does really

01:28:26.480 worry you

01:28:27.400 when you see

01:28:28.160 so many of these

01:28:29.100 crazy activists

01:28:30.160 with all the crazy hair

01:28:31.120 that protested

01:28:31.940 your rally man

01:28:32.600 they don't have kids

01:28:34.820 almost without exception

01:28:36.420 they don't have kids

01:28:37.200 and they're really

01:28:38.380 really interested

01:28:39.220 in your kids

01:28:40.340 and that's a horrible

01:28:41.440 combination

01:28:41.980 because they have

01:28:42.420 no frame of context

01:28:43.440 but their view

01:28:44.060 is totally wrong

01:28:45.020 but they have that desire

01:28:47.760 to shape the next generation

01:28:49.240 they just want to shape

01:28:50.360 your next generation

01:28:52.040 yeah

01:28:52.580 on that dour note

01:28:54.040 we're going to head on over

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01:29:11.340 a couple things

01:29:11.860 I want to talk about

01:29:12.500 real quick

01:29:13.020 before we head over

01:29:13.800 one of them is

01:29:15.480 election night

01:29:16.460 November 8th

01:29:17.440 it's coming up

01:29:18.100 we're going to be here

01:29:19.280 hopefully it's going to be

01:29:20.800 a great night

01:29:21.400 either way

01:29:22.700 I intend to do

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01:29:29.840 so that's November 8th

01:29:30.940 I want you to join us

01:29:31.720 for that

01:29:32.100 and there's one other

01:29:33.160 really big thing

01:29:33.780 that just happened today

01:29:35.940 and that's that

01:29:36.820 Andrew Klavan

01:29:37.320 released his

01:29:38.060 1,000th book

01:29:39.600 he's been

01:29:40.540 back when he first

01:29:42.600 started writing

01:29:43.100 you had to hand write

01:29:44.100 on papyrus

01:29:45.320 chisel on stone

01:29:47.160 but Andrew

01:29:49.700 released today

01:29:50.720 the sequel

01:29:51.220 to his Christmas

01:29:52.640 thriller from last year

01:29:54.060 and Ben said that

01:29:55.120 I would forget the name

01:29:55.760 of it

01:29:56.020 he was absolutely right

01:29:57.160 Andrew tell us

01:29:58.160 about the book

01:29:59.100 it's called The Strange

01:29:59.660 Habit of Mind

01:30:00.480 it is the sequel

01:30:01.240 to When Christmas Comes

01:30:02.280 I have finally

01:30:03.960 created a character

01:30:04.940 in Cameron Winter

01:30:05.740 that I want to make

01:30:06.400 a series

01:30:07.240 build a series around

01:30:08.420 which I've never done before

01:30:09.660 go and buy this book

01:30:11.300 first of all

01:30:11.780 it's already gotten

01:30:12.460 all these beautiful reviews

01:30:13.860 incredible reviews

01:30:15.000 on Amazon

01:30:15.580 and I think people

01:30:17.020 are going to love it

01:30:17.600 how long did those

01:30:18.080 take you

01:30:18.580 yeah I know

01:30:19.260 I'm still writing

01:30:20.220 what's the first one

01:30:21.180 sold out super quick

01:30:22.060 I mean it was

01:30:22.480 it was just gone

01:30:23.680 I know

01:30:23.980 we went through

01:30:24.680 like three

01:30:25.080 four printings

01:30:25.800 right away

01:30:26.180 but this one

01:30:27.240 they printed more copies

01:30:28.400 so that's good

01:30:29.340 but if you go out

01:30:30.900 and buy it

01:30:31.320 A you'll love it

01:30:32.040 and B

01:30:32.520 you will show

01:30:33.380 the publisher

01:30:33.820 that this is a series

01:30:34.800 and I've got

01:30:35.540 I've got at least

01:30:36.320 ten great stories

01:30:37.100 for this guy

01:30:37.560 you want to write

01:30:38.200 ten books

01:30:38.700 around this character

01:30:39.400 I do

01:30:39.740 that's unbelievable

01:30:40.680 that's great

01:30:41.200 yeah

01:30:41.600 and it's available

01:30:42.700 right now

01:30:43.220 it's called

01:30:44.660 A Strange Habit of Mind

01:30:45.460 A Strange Habit of Mind

01:30:46.700 I actually did remember

01:30:47.560 what it was called

01:30:48.120 but I thought it was funnier

01:30:48.880 so go get Andrew's book

01:30:53.760 The Strange Habit of Mind

01:30:54.640 right now

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01:31:00.040 I mean

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The Matt Walsh Show - October 27, 2022

Daily Wire Backstage： The Red Wave

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