The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1058 - It’s Finally Time To Throw The Democrats Out

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, as Americans head to the polls today, the media is already warning

00:00:04.240 that the ballots could take weeks to count, not just days, but weeks. There's no way to avoid

00:00:08.680 this, they say. Well, then how did we avoid it every election until two years ago? Also,

00:00:13.180 some Democrats are starting to realize when it's already too late that focusing their campaign on

00:00:16.740 abortion was not the best idea. Meanwhile, others on the left have doubled down and made abortion

00:00:21.100 their closing pitch. And I had a long and interesting conversation with Joe Rogan yesterday.

00:00:24.980 I'll share my thoughts on that. Finally, 60 Minutes airs a report about the danger that TikTok

00:00:29.560 poses to our children, but they actually understate the case considerably, I think.

00:00:33.900 We'll talk about all that and more today on the Matt Wall Show.

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00:02:04.660 said, we'll talk more about the interview with Joe Rogan a little bit later on. Now, as voters head to

00:02:09.400 the polls today, Democrats, those fierce defenders of the democratic process, have already sent the word

00:02:15.640 out. Don't trust the results. At least don't trust them at first. To be more specific, the

00:02:21.940 Democratic Party message about voting results is that you shouldn't trust them until they, the

00:02:26.740 Democrats, start winning. ABC News makes the case in typical fashion, warning of a red mirage, not a

00:02:33.620 red wave, but a red mirage. They say, as early election day results come in on Tuesday, it will likely

00:02:39.820 appear that Republican candidates vying for any number of the federal or statewide races

00:02:45.420 appear to be leading their Democratic opponents, even by large margins. Their leads will dwindle or

00:02:51.280 crumble completely after perceived dumps of votes are recorded by state election officials who count

00:02:56.600 mail-in and absentee ballots in the days or even weeks following election day. This phenomenon was

00:03:01.840 popularized as the red mirage or the blue shift after the 2020 presidential election when former

00:03:07.820 President Donald Trump took a deceptive lead in several competitive states on election day

00:03:11.520 due to delays in counting of Democrats' mail-in ballots, their preferred method of voting due to

00:03:17.120 the COVID-19 pandemic, only to eventually dissipate when the entire reserve of votes was totaled.

00:03:24.960 Now, that's what they say, but if COVID was allegedly to blame for the alleged red mirage,

00:03:32.240 then why are they warning that it will happen again? I mean, the pandemic is over, remember?

00:03:35.860 Joe Biden said so himself. ABC continues, this is likely to occur again on Tuesday,

00:03:41.160 according to election experts, because of the same cocktail of factors that led to a

00:03:45.420 red mirage in 2020. Democrats have continued to use mail-in voting more than their Republican

00:03:50.880 counterparts, while some of the same decisive states will take a longer time to tally their

00:03:55.120 mail-in absentee and provisional ballots due to state laws that prohibit their count until late stages

00:04:00.180 in the electoral process. And it's likely to occur in some of the same states where the phenomenon

00:04:04.000 presented itself last cycle in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin,

00:04:08.680 battleground states that also happen to feature some of the most hotly contested races of the

00:04:12.860 election season. So the real cocktail of factors is that these states choose to count their ballots

00:04:20.360 this way, even though they don't have to. In fact, the article acknowledges that after the chaos of the

00:04:25.300 2020 election, there were bipartisan calls for states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to change their

00:04:30.620 laws to make it easier to count the ballots on election day. They chose not to make the change.

00:04:37.040 So it doesn't have to be this way. It never was this way until just two years ago.

00:04:42.500 But now that it is this way, Democrats say it must be this way and it should be this way.

00:04:47.440 I mean, this is the leftist specialty, right? Radically changing something and then insisting

00:04:51.460 that the thing now changed could never be anything other than what it is now, even though it was

00:04:57.220 something else entirely five seconds ago. That was basically Karen Jean pair's message yesterday

00:05:02.480 from the White House. Here she is. It took two weeks to call every state. In modern elections,

00:05:09.000 more and more ballots are being cast in early voting and also by mail. And many states don't

00:05:14.800 start counting those ballots until after the ballots, after, pardon me, after the polls close on

00:05:20.620 November 8th. So you heard the president say this the other night. He has been very clear on this as

00:05:26.300 well. We may not know all the winners of elections for a few days. It takes time to count all legitimate

00:05:32.880 ballots in a legal and orderly manner. That's how the that's how this is supposed to work. And it's

00:05:38.560 important for us to all be patient when while votes are being counted.

00:05:43.540 That's how this is supposed to work. There is, of course, it's supposed to take weeks is what you

00:05:50.560 just said. Now, there's, of course, no reason at all why it should take days, much less weeks to count

00:05:56.800 ballots. She says that these are modern elections. Well, in any other context, the mark of modernity

00:06:02.780 is that things are done quicker and more efficiently. Why should it take longer to count ballots in 2022

00:06:09.720 than it took in like 1802? They say the reason is that so many people have voted early and by mail.

00:06:17.700 Well, that explanation doesn't really make sense because if you have the ballots early, shouldn't

00:06:20.740 it be, if anything, easier to get them counted on election day? If it isn't, if early voting really

00:06:26.600 makes it somehow impossible to declare a winner on the same day or even the same week, then that's all

00:06:32.060 the more reason to abolish early voting. Putting aside active duty military, perhaps a few other

00:06:37.680 isolated exceptions, the drawbacks of early voting and mass mail-in voting are substantially greater

00:06:43.840 than the advantages, obviously. And that's a rather easy judgment call to make because there really

00:06:49.180 aren't any advantages significant enough to be factored in or weighed. The current system, you know,

00:06:54.740 with mail-in voting and early voting, it affords people the opportunity to vote in their pajamas

00:06:59.520 with as little effort as possible and without leaving their homes. Okay.

00:07:02.640 That doesn't solve any problem or meet any pressing need. There is nothing wrong with requiring minimal

00:07:11.800 effort from the electorate. In fact, it's a positive good to require minimal effort. And besides, even with

00:07:18.540 same-day in-person voting, you can still vote in your pajamas. It's not like people care about dressing

00:07:24.200 presentably in public these days anyway. So the advantage is that it makes even easier something which was

00:07:31.660 already extremely easy, arguably too easy. What are the drawbacks? Well, with early voting, for one

00:07:39.700 thing, you're voting before the campaign is over. The candidates haven't finished making their cases.

00:07:46.540 You may not know everything you need to know about them. What if a candidate, just to pull an example

00:07:51.560 at random, say, has a stroke and becomes brain damaged after you've already voted for him? Now, in

00:07:59.700 Fetterman's case, the brain damage happened before the primaries had even finished, but it still

00:08:04.200 demonstrates the sorts of surprises and changes that can present themselves during a campaign.

00:08:11.020 All the more reason to vote at the end of the campaign, not in the middle of it.

00:08:15.300 I mean, there are a lot of people who, after that debate with Fetterman and Oz a couple of weeks ago,

00:08:20.120 decided that they didn't want to vote for Fetterman anymore. Well, some of those people had already

00:08:24.260 voted for him. For another thing, early voting does, in fact, provide more opportunities for

00:08:30.540 cheating. Whatever you think about the prevalence of cheating, there is no debate that the longer you

00:08:34.300 take to count the ballots, the more complicated and confusing it is, the more chances for funny

00:08:39.940 business to occur. And that's obviously going to be the case. And finally, the current system,

00:08:46.840 to use a phrase that we so often hear from Democrats these days,

00:08:49.760 destabilizes our democracy. And there seems to be no disagreement on this point, right? The media,

00:08:57.420 the White House, the Democratic Party, they all acknowledge that when states take days or weeks

00:09:01.500 to announce a winner in highly contentious and pivotal races, it creates lots of public anxiety

00:09:06.200 and concern about the integrity and reliability of the results. They openly admit this. They're

00:09:11.560 predicting it. They tell us ahead of time that Pennsylvania will take forever to count its ballots

00:09:16.900 because it chose not to fix its ballot counting system. And that this will create, from the

00:09:21.100 perspective of a wide swath of the population, the appearance of impropriety. Well, here's the point.

00:09:28.840 Even if you don't think that cheating is happening or that it will happen, even though it certainly does

00:09:33.660 and will in every election, the fact that doing it this way causes many people to have less faith

00:09:41.340 in the results, that's reason enough to not do it this way. The citizens need to trust the results.

00:09:49.040 If they don't, the whole system breaks down. That is the house of cards that the entire system is based

00:09:56.720 on, the trust of the electorate. If you don't have that, you don't have anything. Do the Democrats not

00:10:02.880 see or not understand these immense drawbacks to mass early voting and mail-in voting? No, of course

00:10:07.340 they see it and they understand it. But to them, these are not drawbacks. They are the point. They

00:10:12.980 are features, not bugs. We can only conclude that they want people to vote early and vote by mail

00:10:19.940 because it means they're locking in their choice before the campaign is over. And because it gives

00:10:25.800 the opportunity for, let's say, post-election adjustments, quote unquote, and because it destabilizes

00:10:33.320 our democracy. The one thing they claim to fear the most is exactly what they, in fact, want and are

00:10:42.100 attempting to engineer. Because the left seeks always to destabilize, destroy, demoralize.

00:10:51.020 Preservation, even of democracy, is never their goal. And that's all the more reason why they need to

00:10:57.660 pay the political price. They need to be thrown out of office. And we have to do it with the system that

00:11:02.880 is currently in place, however horrifically flawed it may be. Take over the system and fix it. That

00:11:09.220 has to be the goal. But it starts with your vote. Now let's get to the five headlines.

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00:12:21.000 Here's a headline to start with. The Baltimore Sun, which is the biggest newspaper in Maryland,

00:12:27.380 they tweeted this yesterday, and this is 100% real, I promise you. This is not a Photoshop.

00:12:33.080 This is the Baltimore Sun. They tweeted,

00:12:35.500 you fell off, Matt Walsh. No one likes you, LOL. That's a real tweet from this newspaper.

00:12:42.940 Fact check, true. Single tear rolls down the face. Actually, never mind. Come to think of it,

00:12:49.640 fact check, false, missing context. Because if no one likes me, it doesn't mean I fell off

00:12:55.280 because no one ever liked me to begin with. So, gotcha. Checkmate. Mic drop. You may have already

00:13:04.360 guessed that the Sun's Twitter was hacked, and that's how this tweet ended up getting briefly posted,

00:13:08.860 but not before I was able to screenshot that tweet and make it my header image on Twitter.

00:13:14.540 So, I'm very happy about that. All right. We'll move to this. It's a little bit late in the game

00:13:18.800 for this realization, but here's Chris Saliza on CNN.com. Headline, did Democrats place a losing

00:13:25.560 bet on abortion? He goes on, in the immediate aftermath of the Supreme Court decision overturning

00:13:30.720 Roe v. Wade, Democratic strategists insisted that 2022 midterms had fundamentally shifted.

00:13:36.140 Rather than an election about the economy focused on rising gas prices and inflation,

00:13:41.500 they argued the election would now be a referendum on abortion rights and the Republicans working to

00:13:46.040 limit women's choices. Democrats put their money where their mouth was. In the month of October alone,

00:13:51.020 listen to this, Democratic campaigns and groups spent $214 million on broadcast TV ads that mentioned

00:13:58.420 abortion. $214 million, according to a CNN analysis of the data. They accounted for nearly half of all the

00:14:05.800 ad money spent by the party over that time and it dwarfed ad spending on other topics. The next

00:14:10.540 biggest issue for Democrats was crime with the party spending $79 million on the issue, less than 17%

00:14:16.040 of its overall ad expenditures last month. How much do they spend on ads mentioning the economy? It says

00:14:25.300 the Democrats spent less than $68 million on ads mentioning taxation and less than $18 million

00:14:31.460 on ads about inflation in October. Okay, look at that contrast. $214 million about abortion. And they spent

00:14:42.540 almost $200 million less on the number one economic issue that people are actually worried about.

00:14:50.980 By contrast, Republicans spent nearly $144 million on ads referencing taxation over the same period

00:14:56.240 and nearly $77 million on ads mentioning inflation. And the problem for the Democrats now is that they're

00:15:04.900 looking at the polls and what they find is that the vast majority of people who answer polls, even a CNN

00:15:12.980 poll, the vast majority of people are not choosing abortion as their top issue. In a CNN poll, 29%

00:15:21.900 of Democratic voters named abortion as their top issue. That's less than 30% of Democrat voters see

00:15:30.900 abortion as their top issue. What does that tell you? I mean, I love to say I told you so. And I said

00:15:38.680 from the beginning, when Roe v. Wade was overturned and we started hearing all these predictions about how

00:15:44.040 this was going to radically change, you know, the game in the coming midterms, that this is all going

00:15:50.660 to be about abortion now. It's going to be a referendum on abortion. People are going to flock

00:15:53.560 to the polls to protect their so-called abortion rights. I said from the beginning that, you know,

00:15:58.520 that's not going to happen. It's just not going to happen. Because most people don't care about

00:16:04.040 abortion that much. As I always say, they should care about it. They should care about it in the

00:16:10.280 sense of being pro-life and wanting to protect unborn babies. But, you know, passivity, indifference

00:16:18.180 on the abortion issue. This has been one of the main hurdles, one of the main obstacles

00:16:23.680 that pro-lifers have been dealing with for like 40 years. And now for the first time,

00:16:29.940 the Democrats are running into it as well. But then it also makes sense that, I mean,

00:16:35.800 even if you're pro-life, as I am, protecting unborn babies is one of my top issues, one of the most

00:16:40.720 important things to me. But also, if you have your own kids, the things that are going to be

00:16:50.620 like plaguing your mind every second of the day, things that you think about when you first wake

00:16:53.900 up, they're going to be things that affect your kids that you have. Things like the economy,

00:16:59.600 their safety, these sorts of things. And the Democrats ignored that issue, essentially,

00:17:05.500 and they're going to pay the price for it. Don't tell that to Jimmy Kimmel, though, who brought his

00:17:10.440 wife on during his monologue yesterday to galvanize pro-infanticide voters. So he's making his final

00:17:17.640 pitch before people go to the polls, brought his wife out for it. Another moment of brilliant comedy

00:17:22.760 here from Jimmy Kimmel. Let's watch.

00:17:27.900 Oh, this is my wife, Molly. What are you doing?

00:17:37.420 Oh, I'm sounding the alarm, Jimmy.

00:17:40.220 I didn't know we had an alarm.

00:17:42.080 Oh, we do. I didn't either. It was backstage.

00:17:44.420 Okay. Why are you sounding an alarm you found backstage?

00:17:47.760 Because tomorrow is Election Day, and abortion rights are gone or in danger in 26 states,

00:17:54.460 even though the overwhelming majority of this country supports a woman's right to choose.

00:18:02.700 Let me add something.

00:18:06.040 Every time you have sex, is your intention to have a baby?

00:18:10.580 No. I just wait till you eat a gummy and then try to snuggle in.

00:18:14.340 Oh, my God. That question was for them.

00:18:17.560 Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know.

00:18:18.660 Thank you very much.

00:18:21.060 Being a mom is the best and the hardest job on the planet.

00:18:23.140 Okay, pause it for a second.

00:18:24.060 I can't imagine.

00:18:24.480 Just a note here.

00:18:28.580 Every time you have sex, is your intention to have a baby?

00:18:30.540 Well, obviously not.

00:18:33.160 And you can't conceive a child every time you have sex.

00:18:36.980 There's just like basic realities of the biology of a woman and menstrual cycles and so on

00:18:44.360 that you would hope Jimmy Kimmel's wife would understand.

00:18:48.360 That would mean that that's not on the table every time you have sex.

00:18:51.860 You're not going to conceive a child every time.

00:18:54.680 Okay?

00:18:54.880 You're not going to...

00:18:55.780 If you have sex 10 times in a month, you're not going to conceive 10 children.

00:19:00.020 It's not the way it works.

00:19:00.620 There's a really good chance you won't even conceive one.

00:19:06.240 Now, so is it your intention every time you have sex to have a baby?

00:19:09.740 Well, obviously not.

00:19:10.400 Again, if you understand basic human biology and how these things work,

00:19:13.420 then you're going to know that that's not always going to happen.

00:19:18.740 However, are you as an adult aware that sex is the reproductive act,

00:19:28.380 that this is how babies are made?

00:19:29.980 Babies are not made every time.

00:19:31.740 They're not made most of the times when you have sex, but it is how they are made.

00:19:36.720 And so there is that potential.

00:19:39.940 Even if you're using birth control, there's still technically the potential.

00:19:45.100 So that's what matters.

00:19:46.620 Are you aware of that?

00:19:48.900 And being aware that the potential is there, did you engage in the act anyway?

00:19:54.360 If you did, you chose to have sex.

00:19:59.460 You're aware that it's the reproductive act, which means that there's the potential for babies to be created.

00:20:04.560 And you had sex anyway.

00:20:05.760 That means that if a baby is created, you chose that.

00:20:09.740 You already made your choice.

00:20:11.320 You've already made your choice.

00:20:12.860 And the baby already exists.

00:20:16.860 And now, if you're a woman, you're already a mother.

00:20:19.360 And if you're a man, you're already a father.

00:20:21.620 It's already happened.

00:20:24.040 The reproductive choice was made.

00:20:26.300 You made that when you had sex.

00:20:27.860 Not because, again, every time you have sex, you're trying to create a baby.

00:20:31.160 But because you're an adult, hopefully, you understand basic human biology.

00:20:34.020 And you know that every time you have sex, there is that potential.

00:20:37.640 And you chose to do it.

00:20:38.740 So you made your—when it comes to reproductive choice, reproductive choice is made in the, let's say, marital bed.

00:20:47.160 That's where the reproductive choice is made, if you're married, which hopefully you are.

00:20:50.780 That's where the choice is made.

00:20:52.680 Once the baby exists, reproduction has already occurred.

00:20:55.200 So it's too late to make a choice about whether or not you're going to reproduce.

00:20:58.560 Just a little bit of fact check there, but let's keep watching a little bit of this.

00:21:03.240 Imagine forcing any woman who doesn't want that job to take it against her will.

00:21:09.980 Six out of ten women who have an abortion already have kids at home.

00:21:17.060 They know how hard the job is.

00:21:19.120 92% of abortions happen in the first 13 weeks.

00:21:22.720 A good portion of the women who need one after the first trimester do it because of health complications that could kill her or her baby.

00:21:31.280 Roughly half the women who have abortions live below the poverty line.

00:21:35.240 I'm sorry, are you expecting this to be funny?

00:21:36.520 Because it is not going to be funny.

00:21:37.940 No, we weren't expecting that.

00:21:39.100 They don't have the resources to raise another child.

00:21:40.740 This is Jimmy Kimmel's show.

00:21:41.520 We're not expecting that.

00:21:42.000 The only person who should be making a life-altering and potentially life-saving decision for a woman and her body is the woman herself.

00:21:53.320 You don't need men to help us.

00:22:00.600 I'm not out here with this dumb alarm asking you guys to love abortion.

00:22:05.280 I'm asking you to love women enough, to trust women enough to make their own difficult decisions and to vote for the people who will make that happen tomorrow.

00:22:15.160 Our daughters should not have to fight the battles that our grandmothers won.

00:22:19.420 Great.

00:22:19.780 And this is what they're hoping will galvanize, again, the pro-infanticide masses to get out there.

00:22:26.420 And it will.

00:22:27.480 I mean, there will be some who show up.

00:22:28.940 But the thing is, the people that care that deeply about abortion, like this is the most important thing in the world to them.

00:22:34.920 These are like left-wing activists who are already going to be voting, who are already going to vote three or four times probably.

00:22:41.700 And even their dead relatives are already going to vote.

00:22:43.560 So they've already enlisted everyone they can.

00:22:45.380 You've already got them.

00:22:46.400 But if you're trying to speak to the heart and soul of just like the average American, the average American, we talk about what they wake up worrying about.

00:22:55.480 They don't wake up worried that their children won't be able to kill their grandchildren when they get older.

00:23:00.660 That's just not what they're worried about.

00:23:02.040 And I always have to ask, whenever this comes up, and you always hear this in these pro-abortion speeches, a woman should be able to make this difficult choice for herself.

00:23:13.140 But what makes it a difficult choice?

00:23:16.360 Why is the choice difficult?

00:23:18.540 If it's just a clump of cells, it doesn't mean anything.

00:23:20.980 It's a reproductive decision.

00:23:23.860 It's not difficult at all.

00:23:25.120 What makes it difficult?

00:23:25.900 The only thing that makes it difficult is if we are acknowledging and recognizing the humanity of the baby.

00:23:32.460 And if we're doing that, then we see that this has nothing to do with the woman's choice.

00:23:37.000 That's not the question here.

00:23:38.120 The question is not whether women have a choice.

00:23:41.680 They did have a choice.

00:23:42.940 Just like the man had a choice before he engaged in the reproductive act.

00:23:47.440 That's not the question.

00:23:48.240 The question is whether a human child possesses basic human rights or if those human rights are magically imbued into the child when he passes through the birth canal.

00:24:04.340 That's the question.

00:24:06.880 And, of course, we know that the latter just doesn't make any sense at all.

00:24:09.380 All right.

00:24:11.180 As mentioned, I was on Joe Rogan yesterday.

00:24:12.720 Actually, I was on his show last week, but the episode aired yesterday.

00:24:15.460 And it was great to appear on the show.

00:24:18.200 It was an honor.

00:24:18.620 It was surreal, too, because I think I started listening to Joe Rogan's podcast, I don't know, eight or nine years ago, maybe.

00:24:26.940 And it was a, I thought, really good conversation.

00:24:29.520 The first half of which, about 90 minutes, was dedicated to the film What is a Woman?

00:24:34.640 And issues surrounding it.

00:24:35.820 Lots of clips are circulating from that part of the conversation.

00:24:38.760 Or you could watch the whole episode, which is what I would recommend, on Spotify.

00:24:42.240 But I wanted to play this one moment in particular that was interesting.

00:24:45.020 In my biased opinion, in my humble opinion, I thought this was an interesting moment.

00:24:50.240 When we talked about the ways that narcissism drives gender ideology.

00:24:54.640 And this is a point that Joe Rogan brought up and made.

00:24:58.000 And then I, you know, said my piece.

00:25:00.940 And here's that.

00:25:02.940 You're giving them an opportunity to be special and to get special treatment without any special act.

00:25:08.020 They haven't done anything that warrants that unique behavior.

00:25:14.280 Yeah, I think that's a really important point.

00:25:16.260 I think that's actually so much of this, and people don't notice it.

00:25:19.700 But a lot of this is just standard narcissism.

00:25:23.880 Yes.

00:25:24.240 Especially you listen to these.

00:25:25.200 You know, why is this so common among celebrities?

00:25:26.960 Now, all the celebrities have trans kids and they're coming out as non-binary and whatever else.

00:25:31.580 And then you listen to them, like Demi Lovato or whoever, and you listen to them explain why they're they them.

00:25:37.120 It's always, well, I just don't identify with these labels.

00:25:41.380 I'm beyond that.

00:25:42.140 I'm above that.

00:25:43.120 It's like these labels were good enough for billions of humans before you, but it's not good enough for you.

00:25:49.100 You can't find yourself there.

00:25:51.160 But all these other billions of human beings, it was fine.

00:25:53.680 They had no problem.

00:25:54.460 But you're so special that we need to change the rules of the English language for you specifically.

00:26:00.500 It's incredibly egotistical.

00:26:03.660 It's bizarre.

00:26:04.360 It's like if you feel that you're different than everyone else, you're still a female.

00:26:11.360 You're just a different human being who happens to be a female.

00:26:14.380 If you're so unique, go prove it with your actions.

00:26:17.160 Prove it with your work.

00:26:18.620 Prove it out there in the world.

00:26:19.820 But to demand this very special attention.

00:26:24.280 And that's what we give people.

00:26:25.920 Like if you give people that thing today, there's groups of people that will tell you, you're amazing.

00:26:32.460 You're incredible.

00:26:33.180 You're beautiful.

00:26:33.680 You're brave.

00:26:34.600 It gives them positive affirmation for making these decisions.

00:26:38.940 It's also part of what you're describing is personality, right?

00:26:43.120 I mean, so if you're saying, I'm a female, but I don't identify with girly things and I don't like the color pink and whatever.

00:26:52.320 Okay, that's your personality.

00:26:53.900 And it's fine.

00:26:54.540 There are many ways to be a woman.

00:26:56.920 There are many ways to be a man.

00:26:58.420 There's like almost infinite ways of doing it because each man and woman has their own personality,

00:27:03.380 their own perspective of the world.

00:27:04.420 And that's fine.

00:27:05.440 So I think that what I'm expressing is more the kind of traditional idea is much more expansive because it allows you as a man to just, you know, be who you are.

00:27:15.860 You're still a man, but be who you are.

00:27:18.240 The idea now is that if you're a man, but you have interests or ideas that fall outside of the standard norm, now you lose your manhood.

00:27:26.920 You're actually a woman.

00:27:27.600 So they're actually reinforcing the gender binary while trying to destroy it at the same time, which is interesting.

00:27:33.500 But I think most of what they're trying to describe is actually just personality.

00:27:37.560 And now we have this situation where, you know, you could have a person who has five different genders and six sexual orientations, but no personality because their personality has been subsumed by all of these labels.

00:27:49.520 They've categorized and labeled and everything.

00:27:51.220 And it's really strange.

00:27:54.880 This is really good to hear.

00:27:57.260 I'm not talking about my part.

00:27:58.440 That was really good to hear from me.

00:27:59.980 Now, it's good.

00:28:00.740 It's, I can't emphasize enough how great it is to hear from somebody like Joe Rogan with his audience.

00:28:07.500 Now, I could go out there and make the case and talk about these things, and I will and I do, and I hope that I can have some effect.

00:28:12.260 But, you know, Joe Rogan, who the left has tried to sort of brand him as this right-wing extremist fundamentalist, which, of course, couldn't be further from the truth, as we'll see in the next clip we're going to play.

00:28:26.260 But that's obviously not who he is and what he is.

00:28:30.220 And he has a, you know, he's like a mainstream guy in a lot of ways, and he has a mainstream audience.

00:28:35.200 And here he is identifying the truth, which is that gender ideology is rooted in narcissism.

00:28:45.120 It's rooted in self-obsession.

00:28:47.940 And a lot of it is, you know, born from this desire that people have to, you know, not be like everybody else.

00:28:59.020 To just be kind of a normal person seems boring, and it's beneath them, and so it's their vanity that says that, no, you know, because you only have access to your own inner experience, obviously.

00:29:15.020 You don't have access to anybody else's.

00:29:17.280 And so if you have your inner experience, and you just assume, so if you're a man having an inner experience, like how could you even say that, well, this is not the inner experience that a man is supposed to have?

00:29:28.280 How do you know that?

00:29:30.760 You only have, you're a man, and this is your inner experience, and so, and you've only ever experienced the inner experience of one man, which is yourself.

00:29:39.100 So how do you know?

00:29:40.040 What are you comparing it to?

00:29:42.880 I think a lot of it, there's mental illness wrapped up in this as well.

00:29:45.880 There are other factors, but in many cases, especially with the older people, especially with celebrities, as we said, it's just the assumption.

00:29:53.560 It's the vanity-based assumption that whatever they're feeling must be more profound, must be very different from what other people experience.

00:30:04.000 And so they can't make do with the labels that billions of people before them have made do with.

00:30:09.700 Now, the second half of the interview became a debate about gay marriage, and I wasn't expecting really that we would talk about that issue, but it came up, and that's how things developed, and I was happy to talk about it.

00:30:20.460 But it is, of course, it's a relatively high-pressure situation in front of a very large audience debating a guy who, on this issue anyway, is diametrically opposed to my view.

00:30:31.840 And I think going into a situation like this, it's important, first of all, you don't want to get defensive or combative.

00:30:39.580 There are occasions where being combative and taking that stance is appropriate, and as you know, I'm more than happy to approach something that way if it calls for it.

00:30:49.900 But talking to a guy like Joe Rogan in an environment like that, it's going to hurt your cause more than help it if you seem to be getting sort of defensive and angry.

00:30:57.340 So you don't want to take that approach.

00:30:59.840 You also don't want to get lost in the weeds, and I know I'm always harping on this, but this is a mistake I see people make all the time,

00:31:05.480 of getting lost in the weeds, debating 100 different side topics tangentially connected to the main one.

00:31:13.200 And that's what can so often happen on a topic like this if you talk about it, especially for as long as we did.

00:31:19.000 We went on about it for like an hour.

00:31:21.360 And then, of course, the final mistake that conservatives can often make when it comes to this issue in particular, which is marriage,

00:31:25.640 the mistake that they can make was just to fold and run away and not want to talk about it at all,

00:31:32.280 or even to suddenly adopt the opposite view in order to get along and seem cool in front of the new audience.

00:31:38.840 So obviously I wasn't going to do that.

00:31:39.940 The goal then is to try to calmly lay out a defensive marriage in a clear and simple and firm way.

00:31:48.080 That's what I attempted to do anyway.

00:31:50.240 And we'll play this clip.

00:31:50.820 It's kind of long.

00:31:51.240 It's about three minutes.

00:31:52.240 As I said, this is from an, I don't know, an 80-minute back and forth on this topic that took up basically the second half of the podcast.

00:32:02.160 And you can go and watch the whole thing if you want.

00:32:03.420 But I think this gives us a pretty good taste of what it was.

00:32:06.680 Let's watch it.

00:32:08.160 What, if any, negative aspects would there be to people doing that if they're gay?

00:32:13.120 Well, the issue is that from my perspective and from the perspective of most human societies that have existed in history

00:32:24.000 is that marriage is the context in which the procreative union occurs.

00:32:31.860 Marriage is the foundation for the family.

00:32:35.200 It's something that is reserved for that because the male-female union has this capacity to create life,

00:32:45.140 whereas no other union has that capacity.

00:32:48.480 And so it is a different kind of thing.

00:32:51.700 And it makes sense to call it something different.

00:32:53.120 It's like if, you know, if human society were to collapse overnight and we all woke up with amnesia

00:33:00.380 and didn't remember anything about what happened before and we're rebuilding society from scratch

00:33:04.920 and we look around and we see that, oh, there are some couplings over here that have this weird habit of creating people

00:33:11.380 and there are other couplings where there are no people being created,

00:33:14.200 we would probably call that something different.

00:33:16.080 It's a different kind of thing.

00:33:18.160 It's also more important to society.

00:33:20.180 Like, society needs that.

00:33:21.240 You're going to keep society going because you're creating people.

00:33:25.720 And that's what marriage was.

00:33:27.280 It was the context for that procreative union.

00:33:32.500 But what about gay couples who get surrogate parents to carry their children or who adopt children?

00:33:38.860 That's very common.

00:33:40.660 Yeah, it's common.

00:33:41.540 But the union itself is not creating the child.

00:33:45.740 But it's a man-made institution.

00:33:48.220 We've decided that we should involve the law and to join a male and a female who create a family.

00:33:55.320 Like, why would that be mutually exclusive?

00:33:57.440 Why would that not apply to a gay couple?

00:34:01.060 Well, again, part of it is it's a matter of definitions.

00:34:06.300 So it's a little bit like the what is a woman question.

00:34:08.380 It's like, what is marriage?

00:34:10.040 I mean, I...

00:34:11.440 But doesn't that seem like an easier one?

00:34:14.320 Like, two people who love each other.

00:34:16.300 This is my life partner.

00:34:17.720 This is the person I want to be with.

00:34:18.800 So the day I die, let's get married.

00:34:21.220 Everybody is happy.

00:34:22.840 Everybody celebrates.

00:34:24.060 Why?

00:34:24.260 Just two people?

00:34:24.920 Why just two people?

00:34:26.080 Well, I don't know.

00:34:27.460 Why only two people with heterosexuals?

00:34:30.100 Because that's not always the case.

00:34:31.460 Well, because only two people can create another person, you know?

00:34:35.340 No, you can have another person involved and they can have your kid, too.

00:34:39.100 I mean, isn't that what the Mormons did?

00:34:40.640 Yeah, but only two people can actually create...

00:34:43.280 Two people at a time.

00:34:44.920 Right.

00:34:45.260 Right.

00:34:45.580 Exactly.

00:34:46.020 Okay.

00:34:46.220 And, yeah, that's one of the reasons why I would also, you know, if we want to call it

00:34:50.940 heterosexual polygamy, I'm not a proponent of that because, you know, when two people

00:34:57.320 create another person, the person, the child that they've created now needs and deserves

00:35:02.560 and has a right to be raised in a stable environment with a mom and a dad who are living together

00:35:09.940 in the house.

00:35:10.360 That's what we should endeavor as a society to provide every child.

00:35:14.260 And children need, they need both.

00:35:17.480 A child needs a mom and a dad.

00:35:19.940 You know, one thing that kept coming up over the course of the following hour was the question

00:35:25.900 of what harm is caused by gay marriage.

00:35:29.980 You know, he revisited this point, asked the question several different times, how does

00:35:35.940 it harm anyone to expand the definition of marriage?

00:35:38.800 And, again, on that point, you could go many different directions potentially, and there

00:35:44.900 are a lot of weeds you could get lost in.

00:35:47.620 But from my experience talking about issues like this in hostile environments, not that

00:35:52.160 Joe Rogan was hostile to me personally.

00:35:53.700 I just mean in an environment where people are opposed to what you're saying.

00:35:57.900 And in that kind of environment, you want to focus on the strongest points and, again,

00:36:03.060 not get lost, which I see people do all the time.

00:36:06.220 And so I tried to convey that the primary harm caused by expanding marriage is to make it

00:36:12.680 meaningless, to make it irrelevant, and thus to make the institution itself irrelevant in

00:36:18.240 people's eyes, which, as I pointed out later on in the conversation, we are seeing that

00:36:24.760 play out right now.

00:36:26.680 You know, we're seeing people giving up on marriage.

00:36:29.960 Marriage rates are declining.

00:36:31.560 The age of first marriage is going up because fewer and fewer people are getting married,

00:36:35.100 or it's not a priority to them, and so they're waiting longer to get married.

00:36:39.160 And because they see it as, you know, not an important thing.

00:36:43.660 It's basically irrelevant.

00:36:44.640 In a funny way, Joe Rogan actually agreed with me in a certain way, because he said at

00:36:50.920 one point that he thinks marriage is, in his words, silly.

00:36:58.140 And that was my point.

00:36:59.480 By discarding the procreative aspect of marriage, its fundamental purpose, its defining features,

00:37:06.680 or one of its most important defining features, you make it useless and pointless.

00:37:10.540 You make it, yeah, silly.

00:37:11.660 You know, he defined it there, marriage is between two people who love each other.

00:37:17.920 You know, I asked him, well, why two people?

00:37:20.760 No real reason for it to be just two people.

00:37:23.140 And why, I mean, how do you define love?

00:37:25.460 And why do they need to love each other?

00:37:26.820 And why do you need a piece of paperwork codifying the fact that you love someone?

00:37:32.500 What's the point of that?

00:37:33.400 It does seem, that seems silly.

00:37:36.900 So that version of marriage, this, as we want to call, expanded definition, which you can't

00:37:41.520 really expand the definition.

00:37:42.440 You can just destroy the definition.

00:37:43.660 You can dismantle it.

00:37:45.200 But with that dismantled definition, you end up with something that is silly.

00:37:50.560 And of course, the reality for both of us is that once you wade into these waters on a

00:37:55.140 topic like this, it is, in some ways, it's like a, it's a lose-lose proposition.

00:37:58.880 For Joe Rogan, it is, because even though he's disagreeing with me, the very fact that he has

00:38:04.440 me on the show and that he's talking about this and that he's letting me make my case and he's

00:38:08.100 taking my argument seriously, that's going to get him in trouble on the left.

00:38:11.600 And it did.

00:38:12.840 And for me on a topic like this, in that environment, obviously the left's going to hate me for what

00:38:16.840 I say about that.

00:38:17.360 Who cares about that?

00:38:18.020 But also on the right, there's going to be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking, no

00:38:22.820 matter, no matter how you approach it, like whatever argument you make, there's going

00:38:25.520 to be people who say, well, you should have made this argument instead, whatever approach

00:38:27.740 you take, well, you should have taken that approach.

00:38:29.840 And, and that's fine.

00:38:30.880 Most, most, mostly from people who have never debated any of these issues in an environment

00:38:36.640 any more high stakes than their living room or their Twitter page.

00:38:39.600 And yet they are pretty sure they know how they would have handled it.

00:38:42.060 Fine, whatever.

00:38:44.820 But I did want to address one thing.

00:38:48.020 One criticism that I've heard from people on the right for how I approach this.

00:38:54.880 And what I've heard from, so from some Christians is that I should have based my argument on

00:39:00.080 scripture, on God.

00:39:01.960 You know, I shouldn't have, as I'm accused, taken God out of it, which I didn't, of course,

00:39:06.820 anytime you're talking about the true definition of marriage, you can't, you can't, you can't

00:39:09.980 take God out of that.

00:39:10.820 God is there.

00:39:13.320 But I should have explicitly said that marriage is a man and a woman.

00:39:18.020 Because that's how God designed it.

00:39:19.640 And that's what scripture declares.

00:39:21.460 That's what they wanted me to say.

00:39:23.260 And I didn't say that.

00:39:25.740 But here's the problem.

00:39:30.120 To me, it's quite obvious.

00:39:31.260 To a secular audience, arguing that marriage is a certain way because the Bible says so

00:39:38.560 is not going to be convincing or useful to them.

00:39:42.340 That's not going to be a useful argument in that environment.

00:39:45.480 Because in order for the Bible says so to be a compelling argument, you first need the

00:39:51.260 other person in the discussion to believe that there is a God and that the Bible is his word.

00:39:56.640 So those are two big things you need that person to accept before, because the Bible

00:40:02.320 says so, is going to mean anything to them.

00:40:04.980 And I don't really see the point of having an argument with someone or trying to communicate

00:40:08.660 with them if you are not going to say things that are meaningful to them.

00:40:13.200 Which means that if you want to take it that direction, then that would mean that you need

00:40:17.320 to actually abandon the marriage conversation completely and instead say, you know what, let's

00:40:22.520 first debate about the existence of God and the validity of the Bible.

00:40:26.280 And then you've abandoned the marriage conversation entirely so that you can have this other debate.

00:40:32.540 And I think that would be a very unfortunate decision.

00:40:36.060 And I do see Christians do this sometimes on a topic like marriage.

00:40:39.860 When they're asked, well, you know, why do you believe in so-called traditional marriage?

00:40:44.500 And very often I'll hear a Christian say, well, because God says so, Bible says so.

00:40:48.800 And then it becomes a debate about the existence of God.

00:40:50.940 And I find that an unfortunate strategy because there is a defense of the nature of marriage

00:40:59.720 that you can make without immediately throwing the Bible verse at the person who doesn't care

00:41:06.220 what the Bible says.

00:41:08.600 And the defense is exactly what I tried to articulate there.

00:41:11.620 That marriage is a certain thing.

00:41:13.560 It has a certain definition, which is based in the actual physical function of the man-woman

00:41:20.640 relationship.

00:41:22.800 And that's also, as we talked about later on in the conversation, that's also why you find

00:41:27.620 through history, marriage as an institution exists in every culture in history, even cultures

00:41:36.320 that are not Christian.

00:41:38.640 Now, there might be some cultures where they have polygamy or things like that, but the idea

00:41:42.380 of marriage existing and being between a man and a woman and being a fundamentally procreative

00:41:47.560 act, you find that all throughout history and all over the world.

00:41:51.940 Because it's a matter of just natural law.

00:41:54.700 You can find it in nature.

00:41:58.600 And it's, in a lot of ways, a common sense thing.

00:42:03.240 The man-woman relationship has this capacity to create people.

00:42:07.080 And that sets this relationship apart from any other kind of relationship.

00:42:13.840 And it also makes it important to society in ways that other relationships simply aren't.

00:42:18.980 It needs to be protected in ways that other relationships simply don't.

00:42:22.600 Because of its capacity to create people.

00:42:24.720 And because it is, whether you like it or not, going to be the foundation of the family

00:42:28.900 and thereby the foundation of human civilization.

00:42:30.800 And, you know, the good thing is that if you can make that argument, and of course, you're

00:42:35.140 not going to convince someone in the moment on something like this.

00:42:37.460 Most likely, you're not going to.

00:42:40.060 But you make the argument.

00:42:41.220 You make the point.

00:42:43.140 If you can even get someone to take it seriously and listen to you, you know, you've brought them

00:42:50.360 closer to the truth, which means that you've also brought them closer to God, because God

00:42:55.060 is truth.

00:42:55.600 So, that was the approach there, which to me seems clearly the way to go in that kind

00:43:02.800 of environment.

00:43:03.560 All right.

00:43:04.120 We're going to not have five whole headlines, because we've got to get now to the comment

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00:44:43.040 I gypped you out of two headlines there.

00:44:44.500 I'll have to make it up to you later.

00:44:45.460 Uh, Bradley Tarr says, when are we going to stop blaming politicians and representatives

00:44:50.920 and mayors for crime and start blaming fatherless homes?

00:44:55.540 Well, I think we can, you know, who says we have to choose?

00:44:58.160 We can blame them all.

00:44:59.280 But yeah, fatherless homes are at the root of all this, which is why, again, marriage serves

00:45:05.220 as the foundation of human civilization.

00:45:07.120 You get away from marriage, then you end up with, you're getting away from civilization.

00:45:11.800 Civilization starts to collapse as we're seeing, especially in a lot of these communities.

00:45:16.140 Uh, so you're right.

00:45:17.540 Um, but that doesn't mean that we let politicians and, uh, and mayors and off the hook, especially

00:45:24.780 because if they're Democrats, they are, uh, behind this agenda to undermine the family and

00:45:33.720 marriage and to destroy it, which means that they are creating more fatherless homes.

00:45:38.040 Uh, J-Rod says, I'll be honest, the opening guitar riff for the show is tasty AF.

00:45:47.160 I don't even know what that means, J-Rod, but thanks, I guess.

00:45:51.060 Um, Abdi says, I'm so disappointed with my grandpa.

00:45:53.960 He's voting Democrat next week.

00:45:55.480 When he was alive, he was a staunch Republican.

00:45:58.560 Well done.

00:46:00.060 Well done, sir.

00:46:02.020 Uh, or ma'am.

00:46:03.140 Um, let's see, Erin Blank says, even if the thing about inflation not being in the common

00:46:08.900 lexicon were true, is Joy Reid suggesting that learning new English vocabulary terms is a

00:46:14.620 bad thing?

00:46:17.180 Uh, right.

00:46:17.960 That's the other, that was the other interesting thing about her claim that, well, no one used

00:46:21.280 the word inflation before.

00:46:23.660 That's obviously not correct, but also, well, well, then great.

00:46:26.700 Then they learned a new term.

00:46:27.660 They learned a useful new economic term.

00:46:30.780 And obviously, it doesn't matter if they use the term or not.

00:46:35.780 Everybody understands the idea that, like, prices are going up.

00:46:39.280 So whether you call that inflation, whatever you call it, it's something that we can all

00:46:43.500 see happening and we're all experiencing.

00:46:47.140 Uh, Broken Controller says, hey, Matt, I was just curious if when J.K. Rowling tweeted out

00:46:52.280 her stance on trans people and Daniel Radcliffe revolted, would you have had the same reaction

00:46:57.300 if she had tweeted defending abortion and Daniel Radcliffe had revolted against her then?

00:47:01.480 I know an unlikely scenario.

00:47:03.400 If you'd have the same reaction, then great.

00:47:05.740 But if not, wouldn't that suggest your problem with Radcliffe is more with the stance that

00:47:09.400 he took and less that he took it against the woman who gave him his career?

00:47:12.380 I just can't imagine you attacking someone for holding a position that agrees with yours

00:47:16.760 because it disagrees with someone else.

00:47:18.580 Any response would be appreciated.

00:47:20.240 SBG for life.

00:47:21.000 Well, you are right.

00:47:22.720 I, um, I mean, guilty as charged.

00:47:25.880 So the fact that Daniel Radcliffe came after J.K. Rowling for her stance defending biological

00:47:30.800 reality, uh, I criticized him for the disloyalty that this woman, as you say, gave him his career

00:47:39.200 and then he turns around and stabs her in the back.

00:47:41.340 But I'm, I'm all the more critical because the position that he's taking is wrong.

00:47:47.680 And so I'm always going to give a lot more leeway to people when they're right.

00:47:52.000 If he was throwing her under the bus in the name of truth, then, uh, that would certainly

00:47:57.640 paint his, his actions in a, at least a more favorable light.

00:48:02.080 So it's always worse to defend a lie than to defend the truth.

00:48:06.660 But even then, you know, part of it is, is it's not just that he's wrong.

00:48:11.680 It's that he's jumping on a dog pile, right?

00:48:15.580 Like whether J.K. Rowling is wrong or right.

00:48:18.500 And obviously she's right about this issue, but there are already 50 million other people

00:48:25.560 telling her that she's wrong and criticizing her.

00:48:29.780 And she's, she's, she's, so she's already got this massive dog pile on top of her, uh,

00:48:35.460 trying to rip her to shreds.

00:48:36.940 And so, so what, what even is, is the, like, even if she actually was wrong, right?

00:48:40.820 So let's say she says something and she's, and she's wrong about what she says.

00:48:44.060 And then you've got millions of people dog piling on her.

00:48:47.700 And then you're someone, you know, her, and she's been, she's been someone who's been very

00:48:51.580 important to your career.

00:48:53.060 You're going to jump on the dog pile.

00:48:55.720 What's, what's even the, even if you don't know her, what's the point?

00:48:59.460 Like she's already this, this, this, there's already 50 million people who came before you

00:49:03.400 to make the same.

00:49:03.940 So what do you need to get your hit in for?

00:49:06.600 Why do you need to just come along and like kick this person where they're already on the

00:49:09.720 ground, uh, but then to do it to, right, to do it to someone who's been so important to

00:49:15.920 your career, it just shows a disloyalty.

00:49:18.100 Uh, and, and the appropriate way to risk to, to handle that situation.

00:49:21.600 Like if you know someone, if you're professionally tied to someone, again, it doesn't mean that

00:49:26.780 you never criticize them publicly.

00:49:28.180 Uh, it does mean that you should be very hesitant to jump on a dog pile, again, whether

00:49:34.760 they're wrong or right, but if you do feel the need to criticize them, it should start

00:49:40.480 personally, like privately, you reach out to them privately and you, and you, and you, you

00:49:44.560 let them know your thoughts because you, because you know them, right?

00:49:49.120 Um, rather than as they did to her, just, as I said, jumping on the dog pile like that.

00:49:54.160 Well, today is going to be a bloodbath, at least we're hoping, and, uh, I, for one, could

00:49:58.680 not be more excited, and I'm inviting you to tune in and watch our special Daily Wire

00:50:02.780 election night 2022 coverage.

00:50:05.120 Election coverage starts at 3 p.m.

00:50:06.500 Central, and then starting at 6 p.m., uh, Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles, Andrew Klavan,

00:50:10.620 our God King with lowercase g, Jeremy Boring, Candace Owens, and myself will be giving our

00:50:14.100 live updates as the results come in with help of our Morning Wire crew.

00:50:17.900 We'll also be mocking social media meltdowns that will surely be happening for the likes of AOC

00:50:21.860 and many others, we hope, and there will also be some very special guests joining us for

00:50:26.100 commentary as well.

00:50:27.020 The Daily Wire election night 2022 will be the gift that keeps on giving this year, and

00:50:31.140 you don't want to miss a second of it.

00:50:33.280 If you're not yet a member, go to dailywire.com slash Walsh and join us today.

00:50:37.700 Now let's get to our daily cancellation.

00:50:43.720 For our daily cancellation today, we turn to 60 minutes, but not to cancel them this time.

00:50:48.760 In fact, 60 Minutes on Sunday committed a rare, and we must suspect, inadvertent act of journalism

00:50:53.820 with its report on the corrosive effects of social media.

00:50:57.500 Now, much of their report focused on the ways that social media supposedly breeds anger and

00:51:01.980 division, which is not my concern personally.

00:51:05.580 You know, I don't think that the internet causes or breeds anger and division so much as it

00:51:09.600 gives a forum for these things to be made manifest.

00:51:13.000 In my view, that's one of social media's positive attributes, if anything.

00:51:17.000 People who are angry about the direction of our country and our culture are, you know,

00:51:21.840 going to be able to voice their concerns, organize, mobilize through the internet, and

00:51:25.360 that's a good thing.

00:51:26.380 As for the division, our national divide is rooted in the diametrically opposed worldviews

00:51:31.980 that broadly separates the two ends of the political spectrum.

00:51:34.380 It's a spectrum that hardly even is a spectrum anymore, as a vast chasm cuts right down the

00:51:38.860 middle of it.

00:51:39.780 And this divide is incredibly apparent on social media, but I don't think social media invented

00:51:44.700 it.

00:51:45.680 So the part of the 60 Minutes report that I found important and worthwhile was rather

00:51:50.180 the section which focused on TikTok and its effect on children specifically.

00:51:55.920 Let's watch that.

00:51:57.620 It's owned by a Chinese company called ByteDance.

00:52:00.820 And Harris says the version that's served to Chinese consumers, called Douyin, is very different

00:52:09.300 from the one available in the West.

00:52:11.780 In their version of TikTok, if you're under 14 years old, they show you science experiments

00:52:17.680 you can do at home, museum exhibits, patriotism videos, and educational videos.

00:52:23.060 And they also limit it to only 40 minutes per day.

00:52:26.300 Now, they don't ship that version of TikTok to the rest of the world.

00:52:30.940 So it's almost like they recognize that technology is influencing kids' development, and they make

00:52:36.900 their domestic version a spinach version of TikTok, while they ship the opium version to

00:52:42.220 the rest of the world.

00:52:43.220 The version served to the West has kids hooked for hours at a time.

00:52:48.120 The impact, Harris says, is predictable.

00:52:50.740 There's a survey of pre-teens in the U.S. and China asking, what is the most aspirational

00:52:57.440 career that you want to have?

00:52:59.460 In the U.S., the number one was influencer.

00:53:02.600 Social media influencer.

00:53:03.940 And in China, the number one was astronaut.

00:53:06.920 Again, you allow those two societies to play out for a few generations, I can tell you what

00:53:12.020 your world is going to look like.

00:53:13.340 TikTok tells us it gives American users tools to limit screen time.

00:53:17.680 But those tools are entirely voluntary.

00:53:22.120 So nothing to see here, except that TikTok is a communist psyop aimed at making our children

00:53:27.200 shallow and stupid.

00:53:28.980 And not just shallow and stupid, because the other incredibly significant effect of social

00:53:32.600 media, not just TikTok, of course, on our kids, is that it is yet one more force separating

00:53:39.500 them from us as the parents.

00:53:42.020 This is the aspect not discussed nearly enough, and which is rarely mentioned in news reports

00:53:46.300 lamenting rampant social media addiction among kids.

00:53:49.380 They often leave this part out.

00:53:51.820 You know, the average kid spends nine hours a day consuming media of various kinds, usually

00:53:56.560 through their phone.

00:53:57.860 And if you're anything like the statistically average parent, then you have really no clue

00:54:02.620 about the nature of the images, sounds, and ideas that he ingests during that span.

00:54:08.140 And naturally, we take this all for granted.

00:54:10.540 We assume that this dynamic is natural and normal and basically healthy.

00:54:14.080 Our children exist in their own worlds, their own culture, their own language, their own

00:54:19.440 value system, their own celebrities.

00:54:22.600 They become disciples in the cults of various idiots on YouTube or TikTok or wherever.

00:54:27.640 All of these figures obscure to us.

00:54:30.120 And we imagine that this is just how it inevitably must be.

00:54:33.640 There's no other feasible option, we think.

00:54:36.120 And we're wrong.

00:54:37.460 Because while it's true that older generations have always worried about the younger, and

00:54:43.240 the younger generations have always exhibited characteristics that older generations find

00:54:47.140 puzzling and troubling, it's not true that young people have always existed as they do

00:54:53.320 now in their own universes, their own societies, with their own leaders and icons and prophets,

00:54:58.740 their own religions, their own customs.

00:55:00.280 All of it designed to be indecipherable and inaccessible to the older generations.

00:55:06.540 In fact, in the bad old days, kids were, if you can imagine it,

00:55:09.900 raised by their parents almost exclusively, not by the internet or TV or even public school.

00:55:15.420 Kids didn't have a whole life separate apart from their mothers and fathers.

00:55:18.940 They may have had friends, a few, not 40, not 4,000.

00:55:21.840 But it was their parents who exerted the most influence over them, making and shaping and

00:55:26.780 forming them as parents are supposed to do.

00:55:28.860 And things started to change with modern schooling, which sent kids out of the home

00:55:32.440 for most of their young lives and into the care of strangers.

00:55:36.740 And then the divide between generations became even more vast with pop culture as kids began

00:55:41.760 to develop tastes that differed so dramatically from their parents.

00:55:45.180 Yet even then, it wasn't like it is now.

00:55:48.060 Well, because yeah, kids in the 50s and 60s, they worshipped Elvis as a god.

00:55:53.500 And their parents thought that Elvis was an agent of Satan.

00:55:57.080 But their parents at least knew who Elvis was.

00:55:59.300 Elvis was accessible equally to both parent and child.

00:56:02.180 You saw him on TV.

00:56:03.460 You heard him on the radio.

00:56:05.560 You bought his music at the store.

00:56:07.240 And that was about it.

00:56:08.380 That's how you encountered him.

00:56:10.080 And then the internet.

00:56:11.400 And now kids have their own version of Elvis.

00:56:13.660 They have like, in fact, a lot of Elvises, a lot of little Elvises that they follow and

00:56:18.020 worship and imitate, just as kids of the 50s and 60s did.

00:56:21.880 But they encounter these new icons in the void of cyberspace, mostly on their phones, out

00:56:26.860 of sight.

00:56:28.260 And there isn't just one Elvis, but 400.

00:56:30.860 And they pop up and fade away and change on a dime.

00:56:33.740 The trends move at the speed of light.

00:56:35.600 And the only way to follow along is to be totally immersed in it and surrendered to it.

00:56:39.260 So our kids are pulled along by these forces.

00:56:44.600 They're shaped and molded by forces that we don't see or understand.

00:56:49.480 And we as parents are rendered irrelevant because of the child's phone.

00:56:55.460 In fact, if your child is on his phone nine hours a day, it's the phone and the people that

00:57:01.140 he interacts with and watches when he uses it that will form him.

00:57:04.960 It's the phone that parents him.

00:57:07.040 Your second fiddle at best.

00:57:08.300 And he's not going to hear the tune you're playing because he's on his phone anyway.

00:57:13.360 So this is not normal.

00:57:14.880 It's not healthy.

00:57:15.980 It's not natural.

00:57:17.460 It's not how it's always been.

00:57:19.660 There's really nothing quite analogous to this in the history of human society.

00:57:25.400 Like the idea of one gadget, one sort of little portal that kids carry around in their pockets,

00:57:33.480 taking over their lives to this extent.

00:57:36.100 There is no analogy in history.

00:57:39.900 Our kids are being destroyed by these gadgets that we spend exorbitant amounts of money to

00:57:45.000 provide to them.

00:57:46.660 And I think we have no idea how bad it's going to get.

00:57:49.440 As our lives migrate more and more into our phones and our children are resigned to an existence

00:57:54.440 that can barely be called human at this point.

00:57:57.520 So what do we do about it?

00:58:01.160 Well, I think there are two possible paths forward.

00:58:05.660 There's the path that most parents today seem to take, which is that you just sort of go with it.

00:58:12.940 You hand your child the phone with internet access when he's nine or ten or whenever.

00:58:17.840 You know, whenever most of his friends get one.

00:58:19.380 And you give him one, too, because you don't want him to feel left out.

00:58:22.280 And you just trust that it will work out okay.

00:58:24.800 Sure, he's like 100% guaranteed to develop a porn habit.

00:58:28.040 Sure, he'll spend all day absorbing messages and ideas that are anathema to his intellectual

00:58:33.000 and spiritual and emotional development.

00:58:34.940 Sure, his entire life will now revolve around this damned thing.

00:58:38.040 Sure, all of that is true.

00:58:38.860 But what's the other option?

00:58:40.520 To deprive him of this technology that everyone else uses?

00:58:43.820 That would make him look uncool.

00:58:46.060 Worse, it would make the parent look uncool.

00:58:48.960 People might think that you're poor and you can't afford one.

00:58:52.580 And the trends.

00:58:53.480 How can your family keep up with the trends without the phone?

00:58:56.860 You can't be untrendy.

00:58:57.760 You can't let your kids be untrendy.

00:58:58.980 Dear God, anything but untrendiness.

00:59:02.440 So that's one path.

00:59:04.360 And if you take that path, then TikTok is going to remain a problem in your life, in your family, for your kids.

00:59:11.440 But then number two, the other option is the path less traveled.

00:59:13.820 The path that some people would consider extreme.

00:59:18.480 Keep your kid away from the internet as much as humanly possible.

00:59:23.500 Don't let him have the internet on his phone.

00:59:26.540 Don't let him access the internet in his room.

00:59:28.520 Give him access to one computer, strictly controlled, in a visible area of the house, which he can use with your permission for a limited amount of time with the knowledge that you, the parent, will review his internet history after he's finished and go back and watch any videos he watched and click on the links he clicked and read every message he received.

00:59:48.580 Give him no privacy on the internet at all.

00:59:52.960 None.

00:59:55.020 Don't trust your child with the internet.

00:59:57.080 That's the worst thing you could do.

01:00:00.220 Treat the internet like a very powerful and potentially dangerous tool, which it is.

01:00:04.820 And treat him like a child who can't be allowed to use it unsupervised, which he is.

01:00:10.040 So that's the other option.

01:00:11.060 And the great thing is that 60 Minutes talking about TikTok and all these different things, if you take that option, then you don't need to worry about TikTok nearly as much.

01:00:23.100 And so I think that option is probably the best.

01:00:26.440 And I say that as somebody who makes a living on the internet.

01:00:30.260 So with all that said, what is canceled today?

01:00:32.860 Well, I guess parents who give their kids phones are, once again, we must say, canceled.

01:00:40.440 So that'll do it for this portion of the show.

01:00:42.480 I hope you get out and vote.

01:00:44.480 But before you do, we'll get over to our member block of the program.

01:00:48.420 And I hope to see you there.

01:00:49.480 If not, talk to you tomorrow.

01:00:50.920 Godspeed.

01:01:02.860 Godspeed.

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