The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 107 - The #MeToo Movement Has Overstayed Its Welcome

00:00:00.000 The case against Brett Kavanaugh is falling apart more and more with each passing hour,

00:00:05.880 and the allegations are just unraveling, and the smear merchants who concocted this character

00:00:11.660 assassination crusade are looking around, it seems, for a way to jump off the bandwagon before it's

00:00:17.080 too late. They're like that gif, and it is gif, by the way, not jif, of Homer Simpson backing away

00:00:22.120 into the bushes. That's kind of like what some of the Democrats are doing. I think when you look at

00:00:25.820 everything that's happened, when you look at everything that's happened with this

00:00:30.660 Brett Kavanaugh thing, you see all of the problems with the Me Too movement kind of encapsulated in

00:00:37.180 this one thing. Now, all of those problems, and they're very significant problems with the Me Too

00:00:42.080 movement, they didn't just rear their ugly head for the first time this week. They've been there

00:00:46.740 all along, but if somehow you never noticed them before, I think now anyone with two brain cells

00:00:52.540 can see, because all of those, all of the problems have been sort of illustrated in the last one or

00:00:59.620 two weeks, enough that even just this isolated by itself, even just the last one or two weeks,

00:01:05.780 I think would be enough, should be enough, to discredit the Me Too movement, and maybe hopefully, 0.91

00:01:12.980 you know, cause us to look away from that and return some semblance of rationality and sanity

00:01:21.080 to the conversation about sexual assault and harassment, because it is a very important

00:01:25.020 conversation, and that's my, precisely my problem with the Me Too movement, is that the Me Too movement

00:01:29.920 has ended the conversation about, it didn't start the conversation, it hasn't enhanced the conversation

00:01:34.960 or facilitated it, it has ended the conversation because we're not allowed to have a conversation

00:01:39.360 anymore about it with the Me Too movement. Now there's a narrative, and all you're allowed to do is

00:01:44.000 stick to the narrative, you're not allowed to actually, you know, ask any questions or make any points

00:01:48.740 or anything like that. So hopefully now, most of us can see that. In fact, I think, again, not just from

00:02:00.460 the last two weeks, but in general, I think there are at least, there are at least six significant

00:02:09.060 problems with the Me Too movement, and six good reasons why it should end. Which isn't to say that

00:02:18.340 our opposition to sexual assault should end, because I don't know about you, I've always been opposed to

00:02:24.120 it. I didn't need the Me Too movement to tell me to be opposed to sexual assault. I've always been

00:02:27.660 opposed to it from the beginning. So I'm not saying that should end, but this thing called the Me Too

00:02:33.160 movement should end, and I'll give you six reasons for that. Number one, Me Too does not allow sexual

00:02:41.760 assault allegations to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. So the first and biggest problem with the

00:02:48.120 Me Too movement is that it is a movement. And because of Me Too, every alleged instance of sexual

00:02:56.240 impropriety is lumped with every other alleged instance, and they're all kind of mixed together into this

00:03:01.840 stew, and each separate allegation is then not seen as a separate allegation, but as an element or

00:03:08.000 ingredient in this stew. And that's a pretty big problem. If we're going to get to the truth of any

00:03:14.840 particular case, and if we're going to be fair to the accuser and fair to the accused, we cannot look

00:03:21.700 at each case as another plot point in an overall narrative. We cannot see, you know, Brett Kavanaugh,

00:03:28.900 we can't see Brett Kavanaugh in the context of this movement or this narrative. You have to look at

00:03:36.420 Brett Kavanaugh as an individual person, and Christine Ford's an individual person, and their

00:03:41.680 case is an individual case. That's how it has to be evaluated. Brett Kavanaugh is not just the man

00:03:48.080 character accused of abusing the woman character as if these are just broad sort of archetypes. No, he's an

00:03:55.620 individual person, and she's an individual person, and their situation is an individual situation,

00:04:00.180 which has absolutely no relationship to Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby or any other famous

00:04:06.020 pervert. Got no relationship whatsoever. They're not connected even a little bit. So when you say

00:04:12.080 me too, when you say, oh, well, this is Brett Kavanaugh's me too thing, you have just taken him and put him

00:04:17.900 alongside all these other guys. This is not some conspiracy among all of them, okay? He's a

00:04:26.220 completely separate situation. You know, this week I've heard several women say in the media, in fact, 1.00

00:04:33.520 one of Christine Ford's friends was interviewed by CNN last night, and she has no knowledge

00:04:39.560 whatsoever of this situation, which actually should tell you something. The fact that she's a friend of

00:04:45.400 Christine Ford had never heard about this before, but, you know, she was saying this thing that I've

00:04:51.000 heard other women say, other, you know, women that are supporters of the Me Too movement, where they've

00:04:56.040 said, well, you know, I don't know if Brett Kavanaugh is guilty, but I do know that those kinds of boys,

00:05:04.300 you know, growing up, I did know those kinds of boys, and I was aware of those kinds of situations

00:05:11.120 happening, but see, that, you know, I'm sorry that you knew those kinds of boys, if we're talking about

00:05:17.640 those kinds of boys as in rapists, and if you knew about those kinds of situations, I'm sorry, you know,

00:05:22.200 that's unfortunate. I'm sorry that you grew up around those kinds of boys, but see, that's not how

00:05:29.020 we can, we don't, that's the problem. We can't look at this situation through that lens. Brett Kavanaugh

00:05:35.820 is not a kind, okay, he's not a kind of person. He's just a person, and this thing, if it happened,

00:05:46.360 which I don't think it did, is not a kind of thing, it's just, it's a thing. We're dealing with

00:05:51.600 specific people and specific circumstances. It is impossible to be objective and rational

00:05:56.480 if we're looking at it through a narrative lens. If we're looking at it, oh, well, he's just that kind,

00:06:01.580 and this is that kind of situation. No, that's not right. Second thing, the second problem with

00:06:10.680 Me Too, Me Too does not acknowledge the possibility that women can lie. As we have established,

00:06:19.380 it is a problem when we start making movements and narratives out of our opposition to sexual

00:06:26.460 assault. Like, we're all opposed to sexual assault, fine, but when you make that into a movement,

00:06:31.580 when you make it into a narrative, it's a problem, and it's even more a problem in this case when you

00:06:37.200 consider what the narrative is telling us, namely, that women don't lie about these kinds of things. 0.95

00:06:44.620 Believe women is what the Me Too crusaders shout. They say, believe women. Well, no, I don't believe

00:06:50.520 women. I got news for you. I don't believe women. I don't believe men either. I believe individual 0.91

00:06:56.460 people, regardless of their gender, if there are good and empirical reasons to believe them.

00:07:04.000 So, no, I don't have a blanket policy of believing women any more than I have a blanket policy of

00:07:09.660 believing men or a blanket policy of believing, you know, people with brown hair. It just doesn't

00:07:15.380 make it, that makes no, that has no bearing. Their, their, you know, their biological sex and their,

00:07:24.360 you know, their demographic has no bearing on whether or not they're lying. So, it's just the

00:07:30.780 stupidest thing in the world to believe women. What do you mean by, women lie, just like men lie. 1.00

00:07:36.660 You know, men and women, all people lie. So, if you're going to say, well, women don't lie. Well, 0.96

00:07:40.520 of course they lie. Everyone lies. Now, whether or not a particular woman has lied about this 1.00

00:07:46.900 particular thing, well, now we got to look at the situation and come to that determination.

00:07:51.560 But you can't make it, you can't have any blanket assumptions about which gender is more likely to

00:07:56.680 lie. It just doesn't make any sense. So, when you say, and I've also been told, you know, someone,

00:08:02.240 I saw someone on Facebook linked to an article and the title of the article is, women don't lie about 0.92

00:08:07.900 rape. Well, you know, I may as well say that men don't rape. Just because most men would never rape 0.73

00:08:15.940 doesn't mean that any specific man who was accused of rape didn't rape. Just like, just because most

00:08:22.700 women would lie about rape, that doesn't mean that every single woman who says that she was raped 1.00

00:08:27.360 isn't lying. See, it's just, this is a very obvious point that the Me Too movement has intentionally

00:08:34.240 obscured. You know what it is? It's dog. This is what it is. I'll tell you, it's dogma. Okay.

00:08:41.480 When you have movements, when you have ideological movements, what you end up with is dogmas. You end

00:08:47.560 up with essentially points of doctrine. And you just, with, with something like this, you cannot go

00:08:54.300 into it with a dogma or with a doctrine. And so one of the doctrines of, uh, of the Me Too movement

00:09:01.020 is that women don't lie, which is, which is, is insane, first of all, but obviously when that's 1.00

00:09:07.400 your doctrine, there's, you can't, there's no way for you to, you're not analyzing, you can't analyze

00:09:11.940 the situation. You're not analyzing it. What you're doing is you're just taking it and you're applying

00:09:15.920 your doctrine to it and, uh, you're making a proclamation. Number three, um, Me Too equates every

00:09:24.480 kind of sexual misdeed with every other kind. And so we've already talked about how, you know,

00:09:29.860 the Me Too movement equates all different men, you know, equates, um, every kind of man with

00:09:36.380 every other kind. All accused men are lumped together and equated with each other. So that

00:09:42.180 happens. But then also every kind of accusation, every kind of alleged sexual impropriety is

00:09:50.920 lumped and mixed together with every other. So that a woman who alleges actual rape is mixed 0.97

00:09:56.960 with women alleging inappropriate comments or alleging that a man groped them or alleging

00:10:02.640 that, um, a man came on to them too aggressively, um, or that a man made, uh, awkward attempts at

00:10:09.800 flirting. You know, all of these very, very different sorts of things are put together and

00:10:17.280 the Me Too movement mixes them all together. Again, there's that stew and this is just another,

00:10:22.000 this is me. I'm mixing the stew right now. If you're not, that's what this is. This is the Me Too

00:10:26.620 stew. Um, but all of these, all of these things are mixed together in the stew and it just, so you

00:10:33.680 can't make any sense of it, but they don't belong. You know, rape is one thing. So you've got like

00:10:42.840 on the spectrum, you've got rape over here. Uh, it's, it's obviously the worst kind of sexual 1.00

00:10:50.580 abuse. One of the worst things in the world that exists. And so you've got that. And then way down

00:10:57.320 over there, you've got like, um, inappropriate comment or a man clumsily trying to come on to a

00:11:04.840 woman or flirt with her, you know, so that that's all the way over there. And then in fact, they're not

00:11:09.960 even really part of the same spectrum to, to say, you know, to, to, to put them on a spectrum at all

00:11:15.160 is to insinuate that, well, if a man is flirting with a woman, he's only a few steps away, away from

00:11:20.700 rape as if that will logically lead to that, which it doesn't. So there, there actually is no spectrum

00:11:28.300 in between these things. There's that. And then there's a wide cavern, a gulf. And then over there,

00:11:36.680 you've got flirting. The problem with the Me Too movement is that they have created this spectrum

00:11:42.940 and they've put all these things onto it. And then they've also kind of bunched them together

00:11:48.040 so that they're almost indistinguishable. So that's a problem. Number two, uh, number four,

00:11:55.080 I should say, uh, I don't know how to count. Number four, the Me Too movement is tainted by politics.

00:11:59.800 Now it's true that, um, they've gone after liberal men in Hollywood. So give them credit for that. But

00:12:07.060 it is, um, they've also mostly left alone liberal men in politics. And so obviously with this Kavanaugh

00:12:15.600 thing, this is 100% politically motivated. And once, you know, when you claim that you're on a crusade

00:12:22.740 against sexual assault, once it becomes apparent that your crusade is politically motivated,

00:12:30.580 well, then the crusade is completely discredited. So we can even leave aside everything else I've

00:12:34.900 said so far. This point alone is you have discredited. The Me Too movement has discredited

00:12:39.340 itself by jumping on the Kavanaugh thing that, that alone, because of, because of the politics in it,

00:12:44.660 because we all know that if this was Merrick Garland, Garland, or if this was any, you know,

00:12:51.340 if this was any, um, democratic, uh, nominee, this, none of this would have happened. We all know that.

00:13:01.320 And we also know that, um, and this is not a, this is not a, a what about thing. This is not what

00:13:09.700 about is, but it's just pointing out the political nature of the Me Too movement, because then you

00:13:16.840 also have Bill Clinton, who was very credibly accused of brutally raping a woman and was also

00:13:25.100 very credibly accused of abusing many other women in many different ways. And yet he still has not had

00:13:35.180 his Me Too moment, has he? Because it's politically motivated. Number five. Um, I think this is really

00:13:45.580 important. The Me Too movement infantilizes women. Now it's true, of course, that, uh, there have been

00:13:55.040 many women who have been raped and, um, and then have come forward and they've been shamed and smeared

00:14:00.560 for coming forward. And that's a horrible, evil thing, horrible and evil, absolutely evil.

00:14:06.640 And those women are victims and they're survivors and in more than one sense. But you notice how now 0.78

00:14:12.700 even a woman who's sexually harassed or a woman who has to rebuff advances of a man, um, or we'll say

00:14:19.940 even a woman who's, let's say, you know, groped or something, which, which is a horrible thing.

00:14:24.080 Don't get me wrong. But, but now even those women, we call them survivors. They're survivors. 1.00

00:14:29.020 You know, Dennis Prager wrote a column, I think it was in the National Review yesterday, where he made

00:14:34.180 the point that like, it used to be survivor meant that you survived the Holocaust. Okay. Survivor meant 0.78

00:14:40.840 that you, uh, you, uh, survived, um, you know, cancer or something. But now a woman, a woman hears an

00:14:49.000 inappropriate comment from her boss in 1973, and we say she's a survivor. You know, it's just, it's,

00:14:55.160 it's ridiculous. It's infantilizing. Number one, number two, it is, it is unfair to the women who 1.00

00:15:03.880 are actually survivors, women who have really been abused, assaulted, raped. Um, those women are

00:15:10.380 survivors, as I said, in more than one way. But once again, you have this lumping together that

00:15:17.360 happens. And, um, so we talk about, we say, well, the me too survivors. And we understand that when

00:15:25.240 we say that we could be talking, we could be talking about women who were raped. We could also

00:15:27.980 be talking about a woman who, you know, in 1987 had an uncomfortable exchange with, uh, with a guy

00:15:33.760 at work. We could be talking about that as well. And it's just, it's ridiculous, frankly. And also,

00:15:40.540 um, you know, the other problem with, and this is part of the infantilizing where we're not allowed

00:15:51.760 to expect women to take any responsibility for their own actions. And this is just a conversation 0.64

00:16:00.500 you're not allowed to have because of the me too movement. But in some of these cases, you hear

00:16:05.260 about cases where, where a woman, uh, is in an awkward situation, but chooses not to remove

00:16:10.400 herself from it. Like Louis CK, um, says, I'm going to take my pants off and start, um, touching

00:16:17.320 myself. And the woman and the women decide to stay, sit there rather than just getting up and leaving

00:16:23.120 the room. Um, or you have the, you know, the, the Aziz Ansari thing where a woman comes up to the, 0.90

00:16:30.420 to the, uh, to his apartment with him chooses to do these various sexual things later says that she 0.99

00:16:39.100 felt uncomfortable and awkward, but she didn't want to leave. Well, but that's, you know, if we're

00:16:43.700 not infantilizing people, then what we need to say is, well, in that situation, you need to just

00:16:48.080 leave. You need to take some responsibility for yourself. And if you're not, if you're off, if you're,

00:16:54.180 if you're uncomfortable, which I don't blame you for being uncomfortable, leave the situation.

00:16:58.280 But because of the Me Too movement, we're not allowed, what I'm saying right now, I'm not allowed

00:17:02.400 to say it, even though we all know it's true because we all think the same things. When you

00:17:06.940 hear some of these cases and you think, well, why didn't you leave? What are you doing? Why didn't

00:17:10.420 you just pick, get, get up and leave? It's not to say, it's not to blame you. It's not to say it's

00:17:14.940 your fault. The man who's being a pig and being disgusting, he, he, he deserves a hundred percent of

00:17:19.820 the blame. But if we're actually trying to empower people, then we need to also say, listen,

00:17:26.900 if you're in an uncomfortable spot, leave. Um, and then the sixth thing is Me Too is just mass

00:17:34.620 hysteria. Um, and this just ties back to everything else I've said that, you know, with the Me Too

00:17:41.060 movement, it's, it, it does not allow for a reasonable discussion, doesn't allow for a

00:17:46.420 discussion at all. You're not allowed to make any of the points that I just made, especially the last

00:17:50.660 one about, you know, um, about, about taking responsibility and being accountable for your

00:17:58.740 actions. You're not allowed to say that. You're not allowed to ask, um, very basic questions

00:18:04.760 because it's just, it's hysteria. And that's what hysteria is all about.

00:18:10.180 Where you have to jump on the bandwagon and pick up the pitchfork and go in whatever direction

00:18:15.240 the mob is going. If you try to say, Hey, well, hold on a second. If you try to, you know,

00:18:22.400 introduce a little nuance subtlety to the conversation and say, Hey, I agree that there

00:18:27.840 are some horrible things happening to women. We got to talk about that. But, um, you know, 0.98

00:18:32.900 what about this point? But you're not allowed to do that. So when you take all these factors into

00:18:39.920 consideration and you see what happens when they all come together and land on a guy, like what

00:18:46.500 happened to Brett Kavanaugh, I think when you consider that, it's clear to me that the Me Too

00:18:49.900 movement just needs to end, which again, does not mean that our opposition to sexual assault ends.

00:18:58.620 I don't need the Me Too movement for that. I don't need them to tell me that it's wrong.

00:19:02.220 I don't think you do either. But, um, this thing that we call the Me Too movement, I think has way

00:19:09.560 overstayed its welcome at this point. And it's doing more harm than good. Thanks for watching

00:19:14.960 everybody. Thanks for listening. Godspeed.

The Matt Walsh Show - September 20, 2018

Ep. 107 - The #MeToo Movement Has Overstayed Its Welcome

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