The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 115 - The Biggest And Most Glaring Hole In Christine Ford's Story

00:00:00.000 There's one thing I want to say just at the top here, that I, in the past, have been critical of some of Trump's rhetoric about the media.

00:00:10.820 I've found that some of it has been a bit overblown, even dangerous at times.

00:00:17.460 And although I agree in general with his criticisms of the media, I agree with anyone's criticisms in general of the left-wing media, but I thought that some of it was overblown.

00:00:28.920 However, these last few weeks with the Kavanaugh story have, I think, vindicated everything that Trump has ever said about the media.

00:00:39.260 He's exactly right, in fact.

00:00:41.960 Actually, he could probably go even further in his criticisms than he has gone.

00:00:46.780 When you see what the media has done here, they have, with this Kavanaugh story, and of course it's not the first time they've done this, but it's just been so striking.

00:00:55.360 They have completely discarded any semblance of integrity, objectivity, decency, honesty, ethics.

00:01:08.080 They've just gotten rid of all of that.

00:01:10.860 And now this is a straight-up, in-your-face, blatant, explicit smear campaign to destroy Brett Kavanaugh because he's not pro-abortion.

00:01:23.720 That's what's going on with the media.

00:01:25.580 So just another example of that, if you happen to be watching NBC or MSNBC on Monday nights, I don't know why you would do that, but if you did, you would have seen an interview with Julie Swetnick.

00:01:40.460 Now, Julie Swetnick is the mentally unbalanced woman who's accused Brett Kavanaugh of engaging in systematic gang rapes and, in fact, paints a portrait of their high school years as a time when there was just gang rapes going on all the time.

00:01:58.480 Every weekend there would be gang rape parties, and all the girls would come for some reason to these gang rape parties, and then they would be gang raped, but they would keep coming back. 0.76

00:02:07.200 And Julie Swetnick, even though she's three years older, but she would come to these high school gang rape parties, and she kept coming, and then she was gang raped, and then she kept coming back even more, even after that. 0.99

00:02:14.620 So that's her accusation, and ever since she released those accusations through Michael Avenatti, who's just a scumbag, lying, attention-starved, pretend lawyer. 0.98

00:02:30.860 Ever since those accusations last week, we found out that, well, there was a restraining order. 0.98

00:02:39.060 Her ex-boyfriend tried to get a restraining order against her because he says that she threatened him and threatened his child.

00:02:46.980 We find out she was accused by her employer of making up false sexual harassment claims, and what the employer says is that she made up false—this, I think, is important, actually.

00:03:00.860 According to her employer, back, I think it was maybe about 18, 20 years ago, she made up false sexual harassment claims because she had been sexually harassing a couple of men at work, and when they went and told on her, she made up this claim in retaliation.

00:03:22.340 So, and then there are other details as well.

00:03:25.420 Anyway, so MSNBC decides, let's do an interview with her. 0.67

00:03:29.700 Now, they say, they tell us two things.

00:03:33.440 Number one, they could not confirm or corroborate anything she said.

00:03:37.940 Nothing.

00:03:38.540 They could not confirm a single detail that she told them.

00:03:42.680 And number two, they also admit that what she says in the interview does not line up with the allegations that she released even a week ago.

00:03:51.580 She's already changed her story.

00:03:53.340 Yet they decided to air this interview anyway.

00:03:58.080 I mean, this goes beyond just journalistic malpractice.

00:04:01.320 Everyone at NBC involved with airing this interview should be fired and sued for all the money they have because of this.

00:04:07.800 I mean, this is crazy.

00:04:08.780 So they know, they know that this is not a credible story.

00:04:13.020 They know that it cannot be confirmed. 0.99

00:04:15.580 They have to know because if they have brains in their heads, they know that the story is just insane and ridiculous on its face. 0.94

00:04:22.520 And they know she's already changed her story in a week. 0.91

00:04:25.960 And yet they come out, they air the interview anyway because none of that matters to them. 0.97

00:04:30.580 They just want to get it out there because they know that there are going to be a lot of stupid people watching who will see the interview. 0.83

00:04:38.360 Even with the disclaimers of, oh, we couldn't confirm anything, she changed the story. 1.00

00:04:41.460 A lot of stupid people are going to see the interview and that's not going to matter to them. 0.98

00:04:45.060 They're going to, they're just going to glom on to these, um, to these lorid details. 1.00

00:04:51.200 And so that's all they're interested in doing.

00:04:53.020 Now I want to, um, let me read, uh, just one clip from this interview.

00:05:00.120 Uh, this is what Swetnick says.

00:05:02.400 Now pay attention to the words that she uses. 0.69

00:05:06.000 Um, she says, talking to Brett Kavanaugh, he was very aggressive, very sloppy drunk, a mean drunk. 0.63

00:05:15.500 I saw him go up to girls and paw on them and try to, you know, get a little too handsy, touching them on private parts.

00:05:22.240 I saw him try to shift clothing.

00:05:24.700 I don't know what that means.

00:05:26.340 Uh, I saw him push girls against walls.

00:05:29.620 He would pretend to stumble and push and stumble into them and knock them against walls.

00:05:34.280 He would push his body against hers.

00:05:36.520 Now, if you've been following these, uh, this story, that, that paragraph there sounds very familiar, doesn't it?

00:05:45.060 What Swetnick has done is she has just repeated verbatim all the things that the media has already reported and the allegations that have already been reported about, about Kavanaugh in the last week.

00:05:57.860 She's just taking those allegations and repeating them verbatim, sloppy drunk, mean drunk. 1.00

00:06:03.820 Well, that's exactly what a couple of his acquaintances in college said about it.

00:06:08.640 Those are the exact terms they used.

00:06:10.520 Sloppy drunk, mean drunk.

00:06:11.580 Um, very aggressive.

00:06:13.180 Well, that's what the media has been saying that all week, especially after his, after he, you know, had the gall to be angry at false allegations against himself at the hearing.

00:06:20.360 And so they say, oh, he's aggressive.

00:06:21.540 So she said that too.

00:06:22.720 Pushed against walls. 0.59

00:06:23.920 Well, that was another unsubstantiated, ridiculous charge that someone came up with in 1998.

00:06:29.240 You know, that was released last week.

00:06:31.000 In 1998, supposedly he, uh, pushed somebody against the wall when he was drunk.

00:06:34.720 Like, so she's just taking this, she's just repeating what she read, what, what she saw on cable news and she's just repeating it back to them.

00:06:44.680 And they, and they aired the interview.

00:06:46.700 I mean, it's, so yeah, um, fake news.

00:06:53.020 I would say so, uh, whatever, whatever Trump has said about them.

00:06:57.640 I think they have earned all of those labels and then some now.

00:07:02.380 Um, so we heard yesterday from Rachel Mitchell, who's the prosecutor that was recruited by Republicans to question Christine Ford at the hearing.

00:07:14.560 And she came out with a very thorough report, uh, where she's talking about all the many holes in Ford's testimony.

00:07:21.600 And, um, she says in fact that the case, it's not even a, he said, she said the case, according to Rachel Mitchell.

00:07:28.660 Now keep in mind, Rachel Mitchell is a sex crimes prosecutor. 1.00

00:07:32.600 So she is, you know, she knows the law, but she also deals with these kinds of claims all the time. 0.98

00:07:39.980 This is what she does.

00:07:41.040 So she, she hears these kinds of claims all the time.

00:07:44.120 She could, she can differentiate between credible claims and not credible.

00:07:48.620 And she's saying as someone who does this every day, these are not credible.

00:07:51.920 In fact, she says it's even weaker than a, he said, she said, and that no reasonable corrupt prosecutor would bring a case based on the story that she tells.

00:08:00.860 Um, so she released this memo.

00:08:02.660 The memo is, is, is, is just devastating for Ford and for Democrats, or it would be devastating if the media would report on it, which they have.

00:08:09.560 And of course, cause they're too busy, uh, listening to, um, you know, Julie Swetnick talk about the gang rapes, but, um, very, very devastating.

00:08:17.200 And she goes through all of the inconsistencies in Ford's story.

00:08:21.320 There are quite a lot of them.

00:08:23.640 Um, I want to read, here's, uh, I just want to read some of her bullet points on that, on, um, in particular.

00:08:33.060 Now she talks about all the inconsistencies, but she, she, she also discusses inconsistencies and memory lapses and blank spots from just the last few months.

00:08:42.380 Forget about 35 years ago for just the last few months.

00:08:44.560 So here are some of the bullet points from that part of the memo, talking about the last few months, uh, reading now from the daily wires report on this.

00:08:53.140 It says, uh, Dr. Ford has struggled to recall important recent events relating to her allegations and her testimony regarding recent events raises further questions about her memory.

00:09:02.960 Dr. Ford struggled to remember her interactions with the Washington post.

00:09:06.600 Dr. Ford could not remember if she showed a full or partial set of therapy notes to the Washington post.

00:09:12.700 She does not remember whether she showed the post report of the therapist notes or her own summary of those notes.

00:09:18.660 She does not remember if she actually had a copy of the notes when she texted the Washington post, uh, on July 6th.

00:09:24.460 Dr. Ford refused to provide any of her therapy, therapy notes to the committee.

00:09:28.860 Dr. Ford's explanation of why she disclosed her allegations the way she did raises questions.

00:09:33.300 She claimed originally that she wished for her story to remain confidential, but the person operating the tip line at the Washington post was the first person other than her therapist or husband to whom she disclosed the identity of her alleged attacker.

00:09:44.200 She testified that she had a sense of urgency to relay the information to the Senate.

00:09:47.840 She did not contact the Senate, however, because she claimed she didn't know how to do that, but she doesn't explain how she knew how to contact her Congresswoman, but not her Senator.

00:09:55.880 I mean, presumably she just went online and Googled it and then, and then went through the channels, but she said she didn't know how to do that with her Senator.

00:10:04.440 She couldn't, she couldn't figure out how to Google that, but she could Google her Congresswoman.

00:10:08.520 Um, Dr. Ford could not remember if she was being audio or video recorded when she took the polygraph and she could not remember whether the polygraph occurred the same day as her grandmother's funeral or the day after her grandmother's funeral.

00:10:18.640 Um, and then also it, it notes that it would have been inappropriate to administer a polygraph to someone who was grieving.

00:10:27.220 That's actually a really good point.

00:10:28.920 Uh, I mean, no competent polygraph examiner would give you a polygraph on the day that you come home from a funeral for your grandmother.

00:10:38.480 I mean, there's no, no, that's a joke.

00:10:41.560 Nobody would do that because a polygraph is measuring all of the, you know, it's, you know, it's the things that it's measuring.

00:10:48.240 If you're, if you're, you know, if polygraphs were actually real science, which they aren't, but, um, if you're grieving, that's going to mess up the whole thing.

00:10:59.860 So there are a lot of really important points.

00:11:03.780 And this is not just about poking holes in her memory.

00:11:06.340 There's also the whole thing about the therapist notes.

00:11:09.020 Now we only know she, she's telling us that she told this story to her therapist and that she even, and then, well, maybe she mentioned Kavanaugh's name to a therapist.

00:11:23.120 Maybe she didn't.

00:11:23.660 She says she doesn't remember.

00:11:24.760 Husband says she did whatever, but we only know that because she's telling us that she's claiming that she told her therapist about this, right?

00:11:32.440 She claims that she told her therapist, at least the whole story, even if she didn't mention the guy's name.

00:11:40.120 Um, so obviously the question is, well, can we see those notes?

00:11:45.880 Can we see what you actually told your therapist to make sure number one, that you really told your therapist at all?

00:11:51.900 You didn't make that up.

00:11:52.500 And number two, did the story you're told, you told your therapist, does it line up?

00:11:57.880 Well, we already know it doesn't line up completely because the number of people involved has changed.

00:12:01.540 But, um, you know, for instance, I mean, this is just, just hypothetical, but what if she told her therapist the story, but then said something like, yeah, I don't, you know, indicated that she wasn't actually sure completely who did it.

00:12:16.820 Right.

00:12:17.320 I mean, just hypothetically, how do we know that that's not in the notes?

00:12:20.880 Well, because she won't give us the notes.

00:12:24.040 Well, then it's sort of relevant to know that.

00:12:26.180 Well, you say you don't want to give the notes.

00:12:27.700 It's personal, private.

00:12:28.900 Okay.

00:12:29.860 But you gave it to the Washington Post.

00:12:32.080 Then she says, well, I don't remember if I gave it to the Washington Post.

00:12:34.260 Oh, you don't remember.

00:12:35.600 I feel like you'd remember that.

00:12:37.140 I mean, how do you not remember that?

00:12:40.640 This is a huge moment in your life.

00:12:43.040 You're talking to the media about this thing that you're saying has traumatized you all this time.

00:12:47.300 You don't remember that conversation?

00:12:49.700 What?

00:12:51.460 And I would think sending them your therapist notes, that's a kind of very vulnerable.

00:12:57.880 It's not something you do every day.

00:12:59.800 You don't send your therapist notes to media outlets every day.

00:13:02.920 It's the kind of thing that she, I mean, you either did it or you didn't.

00:13:05.800 I think you remember doing it if you did.

00:13:07.640 Oh, she doesn't remember.

00:13:09.800 So I think we are clear to speculate either that she never gave her therapist notes to anyone.

00:13:17.100 So there's so her what she's telling us about what she told her therapist could be completely bogus or she did give her therapist notes to the Washington Post.

00:13:26.460 And now those notes are being hidden for some reason.

00:13:30.160 Either way, it doesn't look good for her.

00:13:31.620 Now, here I think is the, and I talked about this last week, but I want to focus in on it again.

00:13:41.060 I think the most important, the most important inconsistency or hole in the story that could possibly be a lie is this.

00:13:58.680 And Mitchell points it out in her memo.

00:14:02.040 Ford claims to not remember how she got home from the party after the alleged assault occurred.

00:14:09.520 This detail is very crucial because the house, she says, was near a country club.

00:14:16.000 And we know that the country club was a 20 minute drive from her home.

00:14:18.860 It was like six or seven miles, right?

00:14:21.400 Which if you're going residential roads, it might take you 20 minutes.

00:14:23.920 So that means that someone had to pick her up and drive her home.

00:14:29.760 There's no way that she walked seven miles home.

00:14:32.840 And if she did walk seven miles home after, you know, according to her, right after being sexually assaulted,

00:14:38.460 I think that seven mile walk home, she would remember that, but she doesn't remember how she got home.

00:14:44.040 So we, we, we can only assume that she was driven home by someone.

00:14:49.640 So somebody picked her up.

00:14:50.920 Um, the testimony of that person would be indispensable because they could describe Ford's physical and emotional state at the time.

00:15:05.180 According to her allegation, she was a 15 year old girl who had just been violently assaulted.

00:15:10.440 And in her mind was almost killed.

00:15:12.760 She said she thought she was going to die.

00:15:15.100 Okay.

00:15:15.740 She fled the house fearing for her life.

00:15:18.060 Then she got into somebody's car.

00:15:23.800 That person surely would have noticed that Ford was in distress.

00:15:28.440 Okay.

00:15:28.740 Maybe Ford wouldn't have told the person.

00:15:30.800 Maybe the floor was said, uh, I'm fine.

00:15:33.560 You know, but, but whoever that person was, they would be able to tell, okay, this girl's crying.

00:15:39.800 Uh, she's, I mean, she, she, she's obviously distressed about something.

00:15:47.380 Now, the main reason why, why Juanita Broderick's allegation against Bill Clinton was and is so believable and credible is that Broderick was found by her friends moments after Clinton allegedly raped her.

00:16:02.080 And those friends have come out and corroborated her account and they confirmed that she did, you know, that they did find Broderick crying and in a state of shock on the night in question.

00:16:13.200 Now, Broderick also told them at the time, Bill Clinton did this to me, which I mean, which basically makes it a hundred percent like this, it happened.

00:16:23.060 Right.

00:16:23.900 Um, but even if she hadn't, I mean, even if she had, even if she had said, oh, something horrible happened to me, but she didn't, she didn't give specifics or she didn't say who it was.

00:16:33.960 The fact that she was found by her friends on that day, bleeding, bruised, crying in a state of shock.

00:16:42.840 I mean, that is very significant evidence in her favor.

00:16:48.280 Is it, is it believable that a 15 year old girl could pull herself together and present herself as totally fine moments after running out of a house to escape two drunken rapists?

00:16:59.360 No, it is not believable.

00:17:01.260 Not at all.

00:17:01.820 It just isn't.

00:17:03.960 Um, we must then logically conclude, uh, either that somebody witnessed Ford in a state of shock or that nobody witnessed it because it didn't happen.

00:17:19.200 Now, Ford claims she can't remember who picked her up, but she remembers hiding in the bathroom after the assault.

00:17:25.300 She remembers hearing the two boys laughing and talking as they left the room.

00:17:28.960 She remembers running down the stairs.

00:17:30.720 She remembers leaving the house.

00:17:32.420 She remembers the whole chain of events right before she opened the door to somebody's car.

00:17:36.640 And then what?

00:17:37.480 Her memory goes completely blank at that very convenient moment.

00:17:42.340 Well, that's, that's actually not exactly correct because she doesn't, she doesn't remember the whole chain.

00:17:46.820 Because presumably she called somebody, she would have had to call somebody to pick her up.

00:17:51.860 Um, and this was before cell phones.

00:17:54.500 She would have had to use a landline.

00:17:56.200 So either she, so she says she ran right out of the house.

00:17:58.820 Well, she, she must've gone into the kitchen first to use the landline or she went to somebody else's house or something, went to a pay phone. 0.97

00:18:04.840 I mean, but, but again, uh, if she's walking down the street and searching for a pay phone or if she's knocking on someone else's door to use a phone, she would remember that.

00:18:12.520 But she, she would have had to call somebody unless she had already arranged for someone to pick her up.

00:18:18.880 And it just so happened coincidentally that that person happened to show up right after she had been sexually assaulted, uh, which again is hard to believe.

00:18:27.040 So she would have had to call somebody, um, uh, so, but she doesn't remember what must've been a rather panicked phone call.

00:18:36.300 And she doesn't remember what had to have been the most uncomfortable and difficult car ride of her life.

00:18:44.400 But she remembers that the house was sparsely furnished and she remembers precisely how many beers she consumed, which she says was only one.

00:18:52.320 Now her memory may be spotty, right?

00:18:57.640 It was a long time ago, but it is very interesting that key details, which could corroborate her account, just so happened to be completely blocked from her memory.

00:19:08.400 You may even call that suspicious.

00:19:10.640 You may even say that this is a clear indication that she is lying.

00:19:15.020 And besides, even if she doesn't remember getting into somebody's car right after the assault, what about the person behind the wheel?

00:19:25.660 Why haven't they come forward?

00:19:29.120 Do we have two cases of convenient amnesia happening at the same time around the same event?

00:19:34.400 The only way, okay, that a person might forget about the time that they picked up a traumatized 15-year-old girl is if there was no indication that she was traumatized.

00:19:47.840 But if there's no indication of it, then that would seem to punch a humongous hole in Ford's story.

00:19:53.580 But that brings us back to the question of whether or not it's believable that a girl might conceivably run out of a house fleeing two drunken rapists and then get into somebody's car and not give off any vibes at all that she had suffered some kind of terrible experience.

00:20:18.060 That's just, again, it's hard to believe.

00:20:19.980 It's especially hard to believe, assuming that the person who picked her up was either a parent or one of her friends.

00:20:29.460 Unless she hitchhiked or unless she called a cab to pick her up, the story doesn't add up.

00:20:39.220 You know, if, I mean, you feel like you could have, there's a good chance it would have been a parent to pick her up at the age of 15.

00:20:45.680 Well, look, I know that kids can hide things from their parents, but if you pick your daughter up mere moments after she was just sexually assaulted, you're going to notice that something is going wrong.

00:21:00.060 Or if you're, if you're a girl and you pick up one of your girlfriends, you're going to notice.

00:21:08.600 And it seems extremely likely that your friend's going to tell you something happened.

00:21:12.680 But even if they don't tell you, you're going to notice something was wrong.

00:21:15.160 But nobody's come out.

00:21:19.340 No one's come out to say, yeah, you know what?

00:21:21.360 I, uh, um, I, I did, I did pick up, uh, Christine Ford.

00:21:26.800 You know, I remember she didn't tell me what happened, but she was, she was obviously distressed about something.

00:21:32.160 Nobody's come out to say that.

00:21:33.260 Now, wait a second here, though.

00:21:40.580 I'm saying that it's, it's unreasonable to think that she was able to completely pull herself together to the point where nobody would notice that something was amiss.

00:21:48.340 Well, she actually admits that she didn't pull herself together.

00:21:53.500 She, she testifies that her grades in college suffered because of the attack.

00:21:58.020 Now, oddly enough, the attack happened when she was 15 and she had two more years of high school in front of her.

00:22:03.240 She doesn't say anything about her high school grades suffering, which is interesting, which would seem to indicate that her high school grades were fine.

00:22:09.860 So if you, if you were to go back and look at her high school days, you would see that she did fine.

00:22:14.220 And then she gets into college and she does poorly for a couple of years.

00:22:17.040 Um, and, and we're supposed to believe that that was because of the sexual assault that had happened three years before, but in the intervening three years, you were fine.

00:22:24.740 I mean, what, what, um, but that again, I think shows, shows calculation in her testimony.

00:22:32.300 Like she's going back and she's thinking, okay, I know that I did well in high school, so I can, but I, I didn't do, I, I did get bad grades first two years of college.

00:22:39.320 Someone could go look that up and see, oh, look, that vindicates me.

00:22:42.100 Um, but you know, the real point is that she says she was devastated at the time to the point where her academics suffered.

00:22:54.460 Let's pretend that that's true.

00:22:57.220 Okay.

00:22:57.680 So let's go beyond, uh, the car ride.

00:23:00.320 Then let's assume that she did hitch a ride home with a stranger and that the stranger has since, you know, moved to Mars or died or something.

00:23:07.580 Okay, fine.

00:23:08.300 Well, well, what about the night when she got home and she saw her parents or the next day?

00:23:14.720 What about school on Monday?

00:23:16.840 What about the next week or month or year or three years or five years or 10 years?

00:23:22.240 She says she was traumatized this whole time.

00:23:25.280 Why has nobody come forward and said, yeah, you know, um, uh, Christine, uh, she, she, she never told us what happened, but she did change.

00:23:33.580 There was a sudden change in her, in her behavior.

00:23:35.840 You know, something was wrong, right?

00:23:38.180 I mean, it was, she, she, everything was fine.

00:23:39.680 And then, and then, and then, and then all of a sudden she just, no one has come out to say that nobody.

00:23:46.820 Yet she claims number one, she was traumatized.

00:23:49.120 And number two, there were, there were outward signs of her trauma in, in the form at least of bad grades.

00:23:56.460 Nobody though, who knows her has come out and said that her, where her, her parents are alive.

00:24:03.220 As far as I know, where her parents have said nothing.

00:24:06.780 Have you noticed that nobody in her family has come out to say, uh, to say anything, to, to vouch for her at all.

00:24:15.700 And the, even if she didn't tell them, I mean, these are really important witnesses.

00:24:19.240 They could, they could tell you something about her mental state at the time, but they say nothing.

00:24:25.280 That is, that is, that is very curious, isn't it?

00:24:32.520 Um, so there you go.

00:24:38.160 Uh, I, I, I, I think with, with, there are a lot of holes in the story, but, uh, that particular hole, you know, the, the fact that, um,

00:24:48.280 nobody, nobody, nobody has come out to, uh, vouch for this idea that she was traumatized.

00:25:00.400 We have not heard from whoever this mystery person was who picked her up from the scene of her, um, sexual assault.

00:25:08.660 You know, if we want to be generous to Christine Ford, we could say that, well, you know, memory lapses, so on and so forth.

00:25:15.140 Uh, I, I, I'm, I, I think we're at a point now where this is more than memory lapses.

00:25:20.300 She is hiding something.

00:25:23.020 She is at a minimum hiding something.

00:25:27.500 What is she hiding and why?

00:25:32.920 And then as a, as a corollary to that question, who has been coaching her about what information to say and what information to keep hidden?

00:25:45.140 All right, we'll leave it there.

00:25:49.660 Godspeed.

The Matt Walsh Show - October 02, 2018

Ep. 115 - The Biggest And Most Glaring Hole In Christine Ford's Story

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