The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1171 - The Left Has Found Their New Frontier： Male Breastfeeding

00:00:00.140 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, in the never-ending quest to affirm trans people,

00:00:03.660 the left is now promoting male breastfeeding.

00:00:06.180 We'll talk about that today, unfortunately.

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00:01:36.680 We begin today with something extremely bizarre.

00:01:40.460 You might like to think that because it's so bizarre,

00:01:42.680 it's also fringy and therefore irrelevant and a topic we can ignore.

00:01:46.500 But if you've been paying attention all over the past few years in our culture,

00:01:48.880 you know better.

00:01:49.440 It is dangerous to ignore the things happening out on the fringes

00:01:52.680 because before long, they won't be on the fringes anymore.

00:01:56.100 And that is why we are going to discuss male breastfeeding.

00:02:00.280 There has been a lot of conversation about the subject of male breastfeeding.

00:02:03.900 Breastfeeding, we have to put in air quotes in this case.

00:02:06.840 But a lot of discussion about this topic this week,

00:02:08.660 thanks in large part to a trans activist, PhD student, and TikTok personality

00:02:12.560 who claims that he can lactate and breastfeed his infant.

00:02:16.400 Actually, the child is not his, but we'll return to that in a moment.

00:02:19.060 First, we must unfortunately introduce you to this person who calls himself Naomi.

00:02:24.260 Watch.

00:02:25.980 Our achievement.

00:02:26.760 Trans women can indeed lactate.

00:02:28.140 You would follow the Newman-Goldfarb protocol,

00:02:30.380 a medical protocol designed to help women induce lactation

00:02:33.500 if they were not getting pregnant themselves.

00:02:35.540 I'm going to be a mother.

00:02:37.620 That's in the works, in the process.

00:02:39.920 And part of that process is that I am working to induce lactation

00:02:43.960 to be able to breastfeed our youngest child.

00:02:46.320 Yeah, actual, actually mommy Naomi.

00:02:48.660 I've actually already successfully induced lactation.

00:02:51.900 Like, I can actually make milk now,

00:02:54.240 which has been a very, a very interesting and very cool experience.

00:02:58.840 It's like very biologically affirming too,

00:03:00.940 which is something that's, like, gate-kept from trans women,

00:03:03.340 like, so, so difficult.

00:03:07.060 There's been gatekeeping.

00:03:08.540 That's, that's what, uh, that's what stops men from breastfeeding,

00:03:11.680 is the gatekeeping.

00:03:14.360 Biology is gatekeeping.

00:03:16.340 Now, in case you missed it,

00:03:17.100 he did start that video by, by saying cow achievement.

00:03:20.040 Now, what does that mean exactly?

00:03:21.240 I wasn't sure at first either,

00:03:22.380 because adults who aren't mentally ill don't talk like that.

00:03:24.620 But if you look around Naomi's social media feeds,

00:03:26.920 you'll begin to get some sort of idea.

00:03:28.840 And I'm sorry I have to show you this,

00:03:31.060 but here is this one image there.

00:03:35.080 And the image says,

00:03:37.240 I'm an incredibly cuddly cow.

00:03:39.580 Notice the cow attire and all of that.

00:03:42.740 Now, at this point,

00:03:43.980 two and two are starting to come together.

00:03:45.380 Your little gray cells are connecting the dots.

00:03:47.400 But you're resisting the obvious conclusion.

00:03:49.600 You don't want to believe that this guy

00:03:50.700 is really some kind of bovine fetishist.

00:03:54.680 Yet, that's what he is.

00:03:55.940 There's other social media posts

00:03:57.040 that I won't put on the screen clearly show.

00:03:59.000 He also apparently has an OnlyFans account.

00:04:02.140 So, Naomi has a fetish for lactation

00:04:04.220 and wants to pretend to breastfeed a child

00:04:05.780 in order to satisfy this deranged desire.

00:04:08.620 He just needed to find the child,

00:04:10.080 to find the victim, and he did.

00:04:12.220 As he proudly reported on Twitter,

00:04:13.560 he's adopted his partner's children

00:04:16.220 from a prior marriage.

00:04:17.940 Of course, he claims that

00:04:18.760 as a quote-unquote trans woman,

00:04:20.660 he really is a mother,

00:04:21.920 and therefore it's perfectly natural

00:04:23.180 for him to breastfeed.

00:04:24.120 And many trans activists and even media outlets

00:04:26.540 have endorsed this claim.

00:04:27.920 Here he is explaining the alleged scientific basis

00:04:31.300 behind what he's doing.

00:04:33.320 Listen.

00:04:33.520 I can actually make milk now.

00:04:36.620 Regardless of if you're AMAB or AFAB,

00:04:38.180 you are usually born with mammary glands,

00:04:40.800 breasts, milk ducts,

00:04:41.960 all the things that you would need

00:04:42.920 to be able to lactate.

00:04:43.900 There is some breast development

00:04:45.040 associated with estrogen and progesterone,

00:04:46.700 which further develops those milk ducts.

00:04:48.640 But it's really just a hormonal process.

00:04:50.080 You're trying to hormonally mimic birth

00:04:52.400 and pregnancy,

00:04:53.800 and this induces lactation.

00:04:55.460 You'll take medicine,

00:04:56.260 which raises your prolactin levels,

00:04:57.780 that's the hormone associated with milking.

00:04:59.900 And you also do this process

00:05:00.720 of raising your estrogen and progesterone

00:05:02.100 really high,

00:05:03.100 and then lowering it significantly,

00:05:04.880 which simulates pregnancy levels of hormones,

00:05:06.880 followed by birth levels of hormones,

00:05:08.740 and including the estrogen,

00:05:10.680 progesterone, and prolactin.

00:05:11.760 And if you start implementing a pumping,

00:05:13.460 like a breast pumping regimen

00:05:14.500 while you do that,

00:05:15.180 you will start lactating.

00:05:16.540 It's the exact same process

00:05:17.620 that was used in a case report.

00:05:19.840 They just implemented

00:05:20.780 the Newman-Goldfarb protocol

00:05:22.480 for a trans girl,

00:05:23.260 and it worked.

00:05:24.200 I can also now tell you

00:05:25.160 in personal experience

00:05:26.280 that it works.

00:05:27.360 There's been, like, some research

00:05:28.520 that has, like, analyzed

00:05:29.580 the actual composition,

00:05:31.040 male breast milk

00:05:31.820 versus female breast milk,

00:05:33.160 and it was identical.

00:05:36.500 Now, as you can see,

00:05:37.700 he flashes a case report

00:05:39.080 on the screen

00:05:39.720 to explain that this is all

00:05:40.820 medically sound,

00:05:41.920 but to be clear,

00:05:42.560 this is not some authoritative,

00:05:44.160 longitudinal study.

00:05:45.200 It's a case report

00:05:46.200 that came out in 2018.

00:05:47.220 It's called

00:05:47.660 Induced Lactation

00:05:49.080 in a Transgender Woman.

00:05:50.620 So you heard that right.

00:05:51.580 Induced Lactation

00:05:52.420 in a Transgender Woman,

00:05:54.200 as in one person.

00:05:55.420 This is the smallest sample size

00:05:57.520 you can possibly have

00:05:58.820 in a medical paper,

00:06:00.200 but let's read on.

00:06:01.520 Here's the conclusion

00:06:02.220 of the case study,

00:06:02.940 which came from Mount Sinai.

00:06:04.100 Quote,

00:06:04.780 after implementing a regimen

00:06:06.560 of domperidone,

00:06:08.320 estradiol, progesterone,

00:06:10.020 and breast pumping,

00:06:11.140 a transgender woman

00:06:11.900 was able to achieve

00:06:12.580 sufficient breast milk volume

00:06:13.740 to be the sole source

00:06:14.560 of nourishment for a child

00:06:15.540 for six weeks.

00:06:17.380 That's the big headline

00:06:18.180 that you'll see paraded

00:06:18.800 all over social media right now.

00:06:20.020 Men can produce breast milk.

00:06:21.300 The problem is that

00:06:22.700 the case study is garbage.

00:06:24.280 It even contradicts itself.

00:06:25.620 A few years ago

00:06:26.180 when the study came out,

00:06:27.660 a doctor named Isidora Sanger

00:06:29.480 explained that there are

00:06:31.160 many flaws in this paper,

00:06:32.540 and there's too many

00:06:33.220 to list them all here,

00:06:34.640 but we'll focus on

00:06:35.400 a couple of the big ones.

00:06:37.020 And this is actually important

00:06:38.180 because nearly every time,

00:06:41.200 not nearly,

00:06:42.220 I'll say every time,

00:06:43.620 trans activists cite studies

00:06:45.360 to back up any of their

00:06:46.620 delusional claims,

00:06:47.500 the studies will always

00:06:49.340 end up being hopelessly flawed

00:06:51.160 and riddled with bias

00:06:52.560 and wishful thinking.

00:06:54.260 And in that way,

00:06:55.520 this case study

00:06:56.400 is itself a good case study

00:06:58.580 for pro-trans case studies.

00:07:01.180 First, the study reports

00:07:02.600 two completely different

00:07:03.640 testosterone levels

00:07:04.700 for the supposedly

00:07:05.720 breastfeeding transgender.

00:07:07.340 In a chart,

00:07:07.960 the transgender's

00:07:08.560 testosterone level

00:07:09.340 is recorded as

00:07:10.160 20 nanograms per deciliter.

00:07:12.580 In the text of the article,

00:07:13.840 it's recorded at

00:07:14.480 over 250 nanograms

00:07:15.980 per deciliter.

00:07:17.000 Why does that matter?

00:07:18.000 Well, as Dr. Sanger reported,

00:07:19.320 quote,

00:07:19.900 this is problematic

00:07:20.540 not only because it constitutes

00:07:21.700 a glaring inconsistency

00:07:22.760 within the report,

00:07:23.420 but also because

00:07:23.980 the higher result indicates

00:07:25.320 that the patient

00:07:26.140 had male testosterone levels.

00:07:28.160 Therefore, Sanger concludes,

00:07:29.380 quote,

00:07:29.820 there is no reliable evidence

00:07:30.980 that adequate

00:07:31.620 androgen blockage

00:07:32.920 was achieved,

00:07:34.380 even though authors claim

00:07:35.640 that androgen blockage

00:07:36.720 was an important part

00:07:38.000 of the regimen.

00:07:39.420 It's well established

00:07:40.140 that breastfeeding

00:07:40.820 with high testosterone levels

00:07:42.400 can cause all kinds

00:07:43.500 of complications in children,

00:07:44.640 including precocious puberty.

00:07:46.900 But here,

00:07:47.900 the authors at Mount Sinai

00:07:49.040 apparently had no problem

00:07:50.940 allowing it,

00:07:51.700 which raises a red flag

00:07:52.720 that we'll get back to later.

00:07:54.300 The second big problem

00:07:55.300 with the case study

00:07:56.280 is that the authors say

00:07:57.760 the patient received

00:07:58.520 a drug called

00:07:59.240 domperidone

00:08:00.100 to induce lactation.

00:08:01.840 This is a drug

00:08:02.320 that's approved

00:08:02.800 for use to treat reflux,

00:08:04.500 not to induce lactation,

00:08:06.600 and there's a good reason.

00:08:08.200 It can cause severe

00:08:09.060 cardiac problems

00:08:09.980 in infants.

00:08:11.200 It's another thing

00:08:11.840 we find with the trans activists

00:08:15.260 and with gender ideology regularly.

00:08:18.240 Lots of different drugs

00:08:19.220 are being used off-label

00:08:21.060 in ways that they are not

00:08:22.480 intended to be used,

00:08:24.120 like the chemical castration drugs

00:08:25.500 given to children.

00:08:26.940 These are off-label drugs

00:08:28.360 that are being used

00:08:29.520 in ways that they're not

00:08:30.320 supposed to be used.

00:08:32.540 And that's why with this drug,

00:08:34.040 neither the U.S. nor Canada

00:08:35.640 allow domperidone

00:08:37.100 to be used

00:08:37.960 for inducing lactation.

00:08:39.240 The CBC explained the risks

00:08:41.320 in a report.

00:08:41.920 Watch.

00:08:43.520 Effie Leusu says

00:08:44.560 without 120 mg a day

00:08:46.720 of domperidone,

00:08:47.840 she might not be able

00:08:48.820 to breastfeed her daughter.

00:08:50.160 She's gaining weight properly

00:08:51.220 at the right rate.

00:08:53.520 And I have to say

00:08:54.840 I'm pretty thankful

00:08:55.440 for domperidone.

00:08:57.680 But Health Canada

00:08:58.400 has issued a warning

00:08:59.360 about the medication,

00:09:00.720 saying it's linked

00:09:01.400 to higher risk

00:09:02.240 for abnormal heart rhythms,

00:09:03.800 even sudden death,

00:09:05.080 if a person takes

00:09:06.080 more than 30 mg a day

00:09:07.660 or is older than 60.

00:09:09.240 Domperidone isn't approved

00:09:11.680 in the United States

00:09:12.640 and the FDA

00:09:13.520 has specifically warned

00:09:14.820 mothers not to take it.

00:09:16.980 In Canada,

00:09:17.700 the drug is an approved

00:09:18.620 treatment for stomach problems.

00:09:20.560 Health Canada warns patients

00:09:21.780 should stop taking it

00:09:23.100 and get medical attention

00:09:24.280 right away,

00:09:25.400 only if they have symptoms

00:09:26.720 such as heart palpitations,

00:09:28.420 dizziness,

00:09:29.080 fainting or seizures.

00:09:31.240 The warning doesn't

00:09:32.440 specifically mention

00:09:33.320 breastfeeding mothers

00:09:34.240 because Health Canada

00:09:35.420 hasn't approved

00:09:36.340 domperidone for that use.

00:09:37.740 So what we learned

00:09:40.120 from that is that

00:09:40.580 this Mount Sinai case study

00:09:42.020 about how great it is

00:09:42.900 to induce lactation in men

00:09:44.260 is actually promoting

00:09:45.080 the use of a drug

00:09:46.020 that endangers infants.

00:09:48.280 And by the way,

00:09:48.680 it's not just Mount Sinai

00:09:49.760 that's endorsing the use

00:09:51.120 of domperidone,

00:09:51.920 even if it kills newborns.

00:09:53.480 Another case study

00:09:54.500 these activists cite,

00:09:55.460 which came out

00:09:55.940 just a few weeks ago,

00:09:56.700 actually,

00:09:57.680 involves the same drug.

00:09:58.740 It's a UCLA study

00:09:59.720 called Lactation Induction

00:10:01.180 in a Transgender Woman.

00:10:02.760 Study size, again,

00:10:04.020 is it's a sample size of one.

00:10:06.000 And it doesn't reach

00:10:06.580 any definitive conclusions.

00:10:07.940 In fact,

00:10:08.180 it calls for future analysis

00:10:09.660 into 24-hour milk samples

00:10:11.940 in order to provide

00:10:12.760 a, quote,

00:10:13.480 detailed assessment

00:10:14.420 of macronutrients.

00:10:16.400 But this case study

00:10:17.340 also involves

00:10:18.060 administering domperidone,

00:10:19.280 which, again,

00:10:19.920 isn't allowed in this country

00:10:21.120 because of how dangerous

00:10:22.040 it is to infants.

00:10:24.060 So let's get back

00:10:24.560 to the Mount Sinai case study

00:10:25.840 because it gets even worse.

00:10:27.460 The study makes it clear

00:10:28.260 that the man in the case study

00:10:30.320 isn't just on domperidone.

00:10:31.920 He's also on anti-anxiety drugs,

00:10:33.560 which can cause serious problems

00:10:34.840 for infants during breastfeeding.

00:10:36.520 But the study never mentions

00:10:37.540 if the man stopped those meds

00:10:38.820 before supposedly breastfeeding.

00:10:41.220 Instead,

00:10:41.620 the case study says

00:10:42.320 that this man managed

00:10:43.100 to produce eight ounces

00:10:44.080 of milk daily

00:10:45.000 and was, quote,

00:10:46.140 the sole source of nourishment

00:10:47.280 for a child for six weeks.

00:10:49.980 Well,

00:10:50.120 as Dr. Sanger explained,

00:10:51.080 it's clear that

00:10:51.820 that's not enough breast milk.

00:10:53.120 A five-pound baby

00:10:53.920 needs at least

00:10:55.300 four more ounces than that.

00:10:57.880 So how did this work?

00:10:59.100 Study never says.

00:11:00.680 They never observed

00:11:01.480 the man breastfeeding

00:11:02.280 or studied the results

00:11:03.100 in any way.

00:11:04.580 As Sanger writes,

00:11:05.400 quote,

00:11:05.900 this raises serious concerns

00:11:07.000 about the authenticity

00:11:07.900 of the entire report.

00:11:09.260 In other words,

00:11:09.640 it could all just be made up.

00:11:11.380 Let's just assume,

00:11:12.220 for the sake of argument,

00:11:13.440 that the baby got enough

00:11:14.220 of whatever this substance

00:11:15.300 coming out of this guy's chest

00:11:16.600 really is

00:11:17.140 that still doesn't make

00:11:19.020 the artificially induced

00:11:20.020 fake breast milk

00:11:20.960 into the same thing

00:11:22.220 as a woman's breast milk.

00:11:23.320 As Sanger noted,

00:11:24.060 quote,

00:11:24.540 mother's breast milk

00:11:25.280 in the context of pregnancy

00:11:26.480 isn't the same

00:11:27.220 as drug-induced milk production

00:11:28.580 in a man,

00:11:29.220 nor is the breast milk

00:11:30.200 static in composition.

00:11:32.260 Mother's breast milk begins,

00:11:33.960 you know,

00:11:34.260 it's loaded with vitamins

00:11:35.220 and fat,

00:11:36.060 then it transitions days later

00:11:37.460 into a vitamin-rich composition.

00:11:39.520 Did that happen with this guy?

00:11:41.160 The authors of this case study

00:11:42.900 didn't measure any of that,

00:11:44.320 which is a pretty big oversight

00:11:45.340 because normally

00:11:46.040 when males start discharging liquid

00:11:48.100 from their chest,

00:11:48.860 which is something

00:11:49.520 that has been known to happen,

00:11:50.980 it's a sign of

00:11:52.240 a significant medical problem.

00:11:54.220 It's not something

00:11:54.840 you'd want to drink.

00:11:56.720 Starvation, for example,

00:11:57.740 can cause spontaneous lactation.

00:11:59.520 That was observed

00:12:00.820 in the concentration camps

00:12:02.000 in World War II.

00:12:03.920 So maybe at this point

00:12:04.840 you're saying,

00:12:05.240 well, I trust the researchers

00:12:06.220 from Mount Sinai.

00:12:07.120 It's a reputable institution.

00:12:09.000 Or maybe you're wondering,

00:12:10.040 how is it possible

00:12:11.040 that a study

00:12:11.780 from researchers

00:12:12.680 at Mount Sinai

00:12:13.680 could be this terrible?

00:12:16.140 Well, as always,

00:12:16.640 with this kind of thing,

00:12:17.400 you can't rely

00:12:18.080 on the source anymore.

00:12:19.380 Peer-reviewed

00:12:20.160 doesn't mean anything

00:12:20.960 given the state of medicine.

00:12:22.680 So I did check,

00:12:23.840 what does that mean?

00:12:24.400 One of the authors

00:12:26.760 of this case study

00:12:27.380 is a trans activist

00:12:28.340 and former sex worker

00:12:29.820 named Zill Goldstein.

00:12:31.700 He's very active on Twitter

00:12:33.000 where he's actually come out

00:12:34.280 and explicitly said

00:12:35.060 that non-trans people

00:12:36.380 shouldn't be working

00:12:37.480 on research

00:12:38.120 about trans people.

00:12:40.300 So Zill Goldstein,

00:12:41.140 if you haven't guessed,

00:12:41.860 is himself a man

00:12:42.760 pretending to be a woman,

00:12:44.020 which means that here

00:12:44.660 we have a trans activist

00:12:45.940 exiling actual scientists

00:12:47.840 from the medical field

00:12:48.820 and passing off

00:12:50.080 his propaganda

00:12:51.180 as real medical research.

00:12:52.760 But all the findings

00:12:54.640 are just anecdotes

00:12:55.940 that aren't supported

00:12:56.640 by actual research.

00:12:58.460 That's why in the five years

00:12:59.600 since the Mount Sinai

00:13:00.520 case study of one person,

00:13:02.560 all these activists

00:13:03.400 can produce

00:13:03.900 is yet another case study

00:13:05.100 of another one person

00:13:06.600 using the same banned drug

00:13:08.180 at UCLA.

00:13:09.720 But in medicine,

00:13:10.960 as in media,

00:13:12.100 everyone's too cowed,

00:13:13.400 literally it turns out,

00:13:14.600 to stand up to this nonsense.

00:13:16.060 The Lactation Network,

00:13:17.340 which connects families

00:13:18.320 with lactation consultants,

00:13:20.160 has this on their website.

00:13:21.400 Quote,

00:13:21.540 Can I breastfeed

00:13:22.620 if I was assigned male at birth?

00:13:24.580 Yes, you can.

00:13:25.400 You don't have to have ovaries

00:13:26.540 or a uterus to breastfeed.

00:13:28.640 Now, there's no data

00:13:29.660 to support that

00:13:30.340 as we've established,

00:13:31.520 but they say it anyway.

00:13:33.200 Salon agrees.

00:13:34.000 Quote,

00:13:34.520 Individuals with biologically

00:13:35.720 male breasts

00:13:36.380 actually do have

00:13:37.220 the ability to lactate.

00:13:38.960 Colorado Surrogacy,

00:13:40.040 which pairs parents

00:13:40.800 with surrogates,

00:13:41.440 has this on its website.

00:13:42.420 Quote,

00:13:42.920 Men can breastfeed too.

00:13:45.020 They're very excited about it.

00:13:46.980 So this whole saga,

00:13:48.560 as weird as it is,

00:13:49.680 reveals a lot

00:13:51.160 about trans ideology,

00:13:52.900 mainly that it's

00:13:53.760 intensely narcissistic

00:13:55.120 and it is primarily

00:13:56.860 interested in normalizing

00:13:58.640 bizarre,

00:13:59.940 harmful,

00:14:00.940 fetishistic behavior.

00:14:02.980 You know,

00:14:03.180 they're constantly

00:14:03.740 telling you

00:14:04.440 to accept these

00:14:05.300 medically induced marvels

00:14:06.780 without any scientific basis.

00:14:08.620 Do we actually know

00:14:09.640 if a baby

00:14:10.100 can be sustained healthily

00:14:11.480 on the, quote,

00:14:12.740 milk from a male?

00:14:13.940 No.

00:14:14.240 What are the long-term effects

00:14:16.340 of ingesting synthetic

00:14:17.540 hormone-laced

00:14:18.380 nipple discharge?

00:14:20.100 They don't know that either.

00:14:22.000 This sums up

00:14:22.780 the entire medical

00:14:23.920 and scientific strategy

00:14:25.540 behind the trans agenda.

00:14:27.820 We don't know

00:14:28.280 exactly how harmful

00:14:30.380 any of this is.

00:14:31.200 We can assume

00:14:31.600 that it's harmful.

00:14:32.500 We don't even know, though,

00:14:33.460 how harmful it is.

00:14:34.320 We don't know

00:14:34.720 what will happen

00:14:35.720 in the long term.

00:14:36.920 We don't know

00:14:37.280 what effect this will have

00:14:38.520 on the children

00:14:39.140 unwillingly involved in it.

00:14:41.580 But do it anyway.

00:14:42.820 Do it because it will make

00:14:44.660 the trans-identified person

00:14:45.860 feel good.

00:14:47.760 Trans ideology,

00:14:48.680 as I have argued for years,

00:14:49.800 is narcissism

00:14:50.740 made into a religion.

00:14:53.420 When a real mother

00:14:54.720 breastfeeds her child,

00:14:56.080 it is a loving,

00:14:57.800 life-sustaining act.

00:14:59.560 Trans activists take that,

00:15:00.820 something that is good

00:15:01.540 and life-giving,

00:15:02.820 and they fetishize it

00:15:04.020 and bastardize it

00:15:05.080 and turn the focus

00:15:06.400 back to themselves

00:15:07.460 as always.

00:15:08.800 A mother breastfeeds

00:15:09.980 her child

00:15:10.640 for the sake

00:15:11.380 of the child.

00:15:13.180 The man,

00:15:14.120 quote,

00:15:14.460 breastfeeds the child

00:15:15.540 for his own sake,

00:15:16.740 for his own ego,

00:15:18.380 for his own weird

00:15:19.380 desires and proclivities.

00:15:21.900 The well-being

00:15:22.640 of the child

00:15:23.200 is irrelevant.

00:15:25.500 Trans activists,

00:15:26.260 they don't care

00:15:26.720 about the well-being

00:15:27.360 of anyone but themselves,

00:15:29.120 though they do

00:15:29.820 a really poor job

00:15:30.580 even of taking care

00:15:31.420 of their own well-being.

00:15:33.320 They don't care

00:15:33.980 who they hurt.

00:15:35.200 They make all kinds

00:15:36.200 of baseless claims

00:15:37.160 about how all these

00:15:37.820 things are safe.

00:15:39.320 But the truth is

00:15:40.120 that they don't care

00:15:41.120 if it's safe or not,

00:15:41.940 and they don't know.

00:15:43.240 All they care about

00:15:44.240 is being affirmed

00:15:45.360 all the time,

00:15:46.960 no matter the cost.

00:15:49.400 And the thing

00:15:49.820 about affirmation

00:15:50.540 is that it requires

00:15:51.360 other people.

00:15:52.840 Gender ideology

00:15:53.500 is not just

00:15:54.300 a personal matter.

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00:17:31.220 The Daily Wire

00:17:32.180 broke this story yesterday.

00:17:33.460 Bud Light

00:17:34.000 and its parent company

00:17:34.960 Anheuser-Busch

00:17:35.620 are sponsoring

00:17:36.320 at least three different

00:17:37.300 upcoming Pride events

00:17:38.480 despite backlash

00:17:40.040 over the partnership

00:17:40.800 with Dylan Mulvaney,

00:17:42.100 the social media influencer

00:17:42.860 who identifies as transgender.

00:17:44.460 Bud Light is listed

00:17:45.440 as a sponsor

00:17:46.320 on the Cincinnati

00:17:46.920 Pride Parade website.

00:17:48.940 Planned Parenthood

00:17:49.380 at the Cincinnati

00:17:49.800 Children's Hospital,

00:17:50.640 which medically

00:17:51.080 transitioned minors

00:17:51.760 are both also listed.

00:17:54.280 Meanwhile,

00:17:55.040 in St. Louis, Missouri,

00:17:56.560 where Anheuser-Busch

00:17:57.420 is headquartered,

00:17:57.960 the company is listed

00:17:58.500 as the presenting sponsor

00:17:59.800 of the St. Louis Pride Parade.

00:18:01.260 A sponsorship packet

00:18:02.620 explains that there are

00:18:03.600 only four presenting

00:18:04.520 sponsor slots available.

00:18:06.260 The rainbow sponsorship tier

00:18:07.660 located below

00:18:08.400 the presenting sponsorship tier

00:18:09.820 requires entities

00:18:10.760 to pay $25,000.

00:18:13.240 And then Bud Light

00:18:13.920 is also listed

00:18:14.400 as a diamond sponsor

00:18:15.720 of Stonewall Columbus,

00:18:16.860 which organizes and hosts

00:18:17.680 the annual Columbus

00:18:18.600 Pride Parade.

00:18:19.800 The diamond sponsorship tier

00:18:20.880 requires companies

00:18:21.480 to donate $20,000

00:18:22.520 according to a document.

00:18:25.740 So even in spite

00:18:28.960 of everything,

00:18:30.400 all the backlash

00:18:30.940 that they faced

00:18:31.460 because of their

00:18:32.180 Dylan Mulvaney sponsorship,

00:18:33.720 they still are getting involved

00:18:35.120 in these Pride Parades.

00:18:36.860 And, you know,

00:18:37.380 so a lot of people

00:18:39.080 are asking,

00:18:39.840 well, why would they do this?

00:18:41.940 Why would they get themselves

00:18:42.980 involved in this

00:18:44.160 after they saw

00:18:45.880 what happened to them?

00:18:46.960 I think the answer

00:18:47.740 is that this was already,

00:18:49.000 they were already signed up

00:18:49.840 for this.

00:18:50.180 This was already going

00:18:50.900 to happen.

00:18:51.440 And now,

00:18:54.820 you know,

00:18:55.040 this is the,

00:18:55.580 this is, again,

00:18:56.420 the, the,

00:18:57.080 and I'm not defending them

00:18:57.960 being involved

00:18:58.400 in the Pride Parade,

00:18:59.020 by the way.

00:19:00.020 They never should have

00:19:00.780 gotten involved

00:19:01.240 and sponsored to begin with.

00:19:02.500 But this is the,

00:19:03.400 the impossible

00:19:04.620 lose-lose situation

00:19:05.920 that they put themselves in

00:19:07.340 because, you know,

00:19:08.780 they did the Dylan Mulvaney thing.

00:19:10.640 They obviously already

00:19:11.860 had plans for Pride Month

00:19:13.420 like all the other

00:19:14.020 corporations did.

00:19:15.640 And then they got

00:19:16.300 the backlash

00:19:16.740 from Dylan Mulvaney.

00:19:17.440 If they start pulling

00:19:18.160 out of Pride Parades now,

00:19:20.120 you know,

00:19:20.960 now that's just going

00:19:22.200 to attract more ire

00:19:23.680 from the left

00:19:24.440 and it's still not

00:19:26.180 going to be enough

00:19:26.880 to make the boycott

00:19:29.760 by conservatives go away.

00:19:31.980 So, they're screwed.

00:19:33.940 And in fact, you know,

00:19:34.840 I, I said early on

00:19:36.940 in this thing that,

00:19:38.780 and I think it is still

00:19:39.440 as true that early on,

00:19:40.980 like in the very beginning

00:19:41.940 of the Bud Light boycott,

00:19:43.780 if Bud Light

00:19:44.620 had actually apologized

00:19:47.100 and renounced

00:19:49.000 that whole sponsorship campaign

00:19:50.560 and said, you know,

00:19:51.540 we apologized for it

00:19:53.000 and completely back down

00:19:56.460 explicitly in that way,

00:19:58.820 then I think,

00:20:00.000 you know,

00:20:01.280 the Bud Light,

00:20:01.900 the boycott

00:20:02.540 would have been called off

00:20:03.480 because we would have gotten

00:20:04.140 the result that we wanted

00:20:05.020 out of it.

00:20:06.700 And that is part,

00:20:07.960 as I said,

00:20:08.740 you know,

00:20:09.140 in the beginning,

00:20:09.900 part of the boycott

00:20:11.300 is, you know,

00:20:12.960 you're trying to

00:20:14.440 get a certain result.

00:20:17.000 That's,

00:20:17.300 that's the point

00:20:17.760 of the boycott.

00:20:19.140 And once you get

00:20:19.940 the result,

00:20:20.620 then you also,

00:20:21.480 you also want to

00:20:21.960 incentivize that result.

00:20:25.100 So there's the,

00:20:25.900 it's like with a boycott,

00:20:27.120 there's the carrot

00:20:27.700 and the stick

00:20:28.300 and the stick

00:20:29.660 comes first.

00:20:30.900 Okay,

00:20:31.260 you're getting beat

00:20:32.320 over the head

00:20:32.800 with the stick

00:20:33.340 as punishment

00:20:34.620 for what you did.

00:20:35.260 But the carrot is,

00:20:36.460 okay,

00:20:36.680 if you stop doing that

00:20:38.160 and you renounce it

00:20:39.400 and apologize for it,

00:20:40.600 then we'll stop

00:20:42.220 beating you with the stick.

00:20:42.920 And that could have been,

00:20:45.660 I think if they had

00:20:46.660 in the first couple of days,

00:20:48.280 if they had taken

00:20:49.700 that approach

00:20:50.360 and it would have

00:20:51.800 completely alienated

00:20:52.860 the left

00:20:53.620 and they would have,

00:20:54.340 it would have been

00:20:54.980 total outrage from the left,

00:20:56.120 but who cares?

00:20:58.420 Because that's not

00:20:59.280 their customer base anyway.

00:21:00.340 So if they had done that,

00:21:01.920 then they might have been okay.

00:21:04.200 But at this point,

00:21:05.480 it's too late.

00:21:07.240 They're not going to come out

00:21:08.380 and apologize now.

00:21:09.280 Even if they did,

00:21:10.500 it's too late.

00:21:12.920 Because they've been

00:21:13.660 branded this way.

00:21:14.860 It's just,

00:21:15.340 now it's like an uncool,

00:21:17.560 embarrassing product.

00:21:19.500 People don't want

00:21:20.260 to be associated with it.

00:21:21.400 You don't want to be seen

00:21:22.080 holding a Bud Light can.

00:21:24.100 They did this to themselves

00:21:25.400 and that's why

00:21:26.560 we keep calling it a boycott,

00:21:27.720 but it's not even really

00:21:28.700 a boycott anymore.

00:21:31.200 It's just customer behavior

00:21:32.600 has changed

00:21:33.500 in response to this.

00:21:37.280 And that's what,

00:21:37.960 as a brand,

00:21:39.420 that's the nightmare.

00:21:41.020 Right?

00:21:41.160 A boycott's bad enough.

00:21:43.500 But when the,

00:21:44.520 it's sort of like

00:21:45.080 when the boycott metastasizes,

00:21:47.620 this is what happens.

00:21:48.980 And this is when it becomes

00:21:49.960 terminal for you

00:21:50.920 as a brand.

00:21:52.500 Started as a boycott,

00:21:53.720 started as maybe,

00:21:54.800 you know,

00:21:55.000 started as something

00:21:55.520 that maybe you could address.

00:21:58.680 But now it's metastasized.

00:22:00.380 It is just attached

00:22:01.760 to you as a brand

00:22:02.660 and there's no getting out of it.

00:22:05.660 So now it's a lose-lose.

00:22:07.580 You know,

00:22:07.760 anything that they do

00:22:10.600 to back away from pride,

00:22:11.920 it's just going to

00:22:13.520 make the left upset.

00:22:15.480 But it's probably not going,

00:22:17.220 you know,

00:22:17.520 it's not going to do anything

00:22:19.140 to repair the brand,

00:22:20.220 which is now

00:22:21.100 hopelessly ruined.

00:22:24.120 Of course,

00:22:24.820 leaning into the pride thing

00:22:26.040 even more,

00:22:27.100 it's just going to make

00:22:27.700 all the problems worse.

00:22:28.600 So,

00:22:30.060 lose-lose.

00:22:30.440 But that's good.

00:22:32.900 This is what we want

00:22:33.800 the brands to start

00:22:34.480 thinking about.

00:22:36.060 When you go this route,

00:22:37.320 you are putting yourself

00:22:38.320 in a lose-lose situation.

00:22:40.620 Which means that

00:22:41.360 it's probably better

00:22:42.160 for you to just

00:22:42.780 not do it at all.

00:22:44.020 We're not saying

00:22:45.020 that what we wanted

00:22:47.260 from Bud Light

00:22:47.820 or what we want

00:22:48.220 from any of these brands

00:22:49.060 is to,

00:22:49.920 you know,

00:22:50.200 go out and like

00:22:51.160 aggressively

00:22:52.200 promote

00:22:55.120 quote-unquote

00:22:56.100 conservative values.

00:22:57.980 That's not what we're saying.

00:22:59.140 What we're saying

00:22:59.700 is just stay out

00:23:00.300 of it.

00:23:01.780 Just stay out of it.

00:23:04.020 Okay?

00:23:04.220 No one is saying

00:23:04.880 that Bud Light

00:23:05.360 needs to go out

00:23:05.960 and campaign

00:23:06.480 against gay marriage

00:23:07.380 or something.

00:23:09.060 That's not the claim.

00:23:10.080 It's just like

00:23:10.400 stay out of it completely.

00:23:12.900 And if we get to the point

00:23:13.920 where the brands

00:23:15.200 start thinking that,

00:23:17.000 you know,

00:23:17.200 from a marketing

00:23:17.720 and branding strategy,

00:23:20.040 and they think,

00:23:21.020 well,

00:23:21.660 it's just not worth

00:23:22.560 wading into these waters

00:23:23.340 at all.

00:23:25.460 That's when we really

00:23:26.140 start to win.

00:23:27.500 Speaking of which,

00:23:28.100 NBC News has an article

00:23:29.020 about the target

00:23:29.840 in Bud Light,

00:23:30.300 boycotts,

00:23:30.820 and one of the great

00:23:31.600 things about

00:23:32.200 these boycotts

00:23:34.080 is that it has

00:23:34.780 forced the left

00:23:35.540 to become the defenders

00:23:36.660 of corporate America,

00:23:38.720 which in fact

00:23:39.540 is what they've always

00:23:40.160 been anyway.

00:23:40.880 So they've had to

00:23:41.640 reveal themselves

00:23:42.460 as the defenders

00:23:43.280 of corporate America.

00:23:44.940 But this article

00:23:45.740 is interesting

00:23:46.140 because they pinpoint

00:23:46.880 one particular person

00:23:48.360 as the primary villain

00:23:50.220 in this whole story,

00:23:51.920 and that person

00:23:52.440 is me,

00:23:52.920 it turns out.

00:23:53.520 They've pointed to me.

00:23:54.840 So it says,

00:23:55.460 Bud Light and Target

00:23:56.080 were not always

00:23:57.380 political punching bags,

00:23:58.760 but both companies

00:23:59.520 have been drawn

00:24:00.040 into the center

00:24:00.680 of long-brewing

00:24:01.420 conservative battles

00:24:02.340 after the brands

00:24:03.520 released campaigns

00:24:04.300 supporting or featuring

00:24:05.240 LGBTQ people.

00:24:07.480 No,

00:24:07.960 they weren't drawn

00:24:08.480 into the center of it.

00:24:09.580 They put themselves

00:24:10.440 in the center of it.

00:24:11.720 And now they're

00:24:12.060 looking around

00:24:12.540 and thinking,

00:24:13.160 well,

00:24:13.300 was that a smart move?

00:24:15.400 Target announced

00:24:15.900 Tuesday was pulling

00:24:16.820 some LGBTQ-themed items

00:24:18.360 from stores

00:24:18.840 following what

00:24:19.320 a company spokesperson

00:24:19.960 described as

00:24:20.680 threats to employees

00:24:21.660 over this year's line

00:24:22.760 of Pride Month merchandise.

00:24:25.120 And I want to say

00:24:25.600 one thing about

00:24:26.060 the threats

00:24:26.980 is that some

00:24:27.660 actual journalists

00:24:28.840 have looked into this

00:24:30.160 and have gone to Target

00:24:31.520 and said,

00:24:32.780 well,

00:24:32.940 what threats

00:24:33.580 are you talking about?

00:24:34.180 What's the evidence

00:24:34.760 of these threats?

00:24:35.720 And there's no evidence

00:24:36.440 of it at all.

00:24:37.400 There's no evidence

00:24:38.220 of violence.

00:24:39.040 There's no evidence

00:24:39.560 of threats.

00:24:41.000 The one video

00:24:41.900 I've seen posted

00:24:42.800 as evidence

00:24:44.840 of this claim

00:24:46.080 that conservatives

00:24:48.960 are lashing out violently,

00:24:50.900 I've seen one video

00:24:51.900 where a guy

00:24:53.380 walks into Target

00:24:54.420 and goes to the

00:24:55.040 Pride section

00:24:55.640 and takes

00:24:56.620 a Pride sign

00:24:59.140 that's about this big

00:24:59.960 made of cardboard

00:25:00.960 and he takes it

00:25:02.740 and he puts it

00:25:03.840 on the ground

00:25:04.320 and steps on it.

00:25:06.040 That's the one example

00:25:07.760 of violence.

00:25:10.140 And in fact,

00:25:10.460 I saw that posted

00:25:11.240 by a trans activist

00:25:12.060 who described it

00:25:13.240 as terrorism.

00:25:14.740 This is what,

00:25:16.100 they don't make terrorists

00:25:16.880 like they used to,

00:25:17.780 okay?

00:25:18.160 This is what terrorists,

00:25:18.880 terrorists,

00:25:19.440 you know,

00:25:19.540 we used to think

00:25:19.800 of terrorists

00:25:20.120 as someone who's,

00:25:20.660 wearing a suicide vest,

00:25:23.760 setting it off

00:25:24.320 in the middle

00:25:24.580 of a crowded marketplace,

00:25:26.420 flying a plane

00:25:27.100 into a building,

00:25:27.820 you know,

00:25:28.060 like that's a terrorist.

00:25:29.060 Now a terrorist

00:25:29.700 is picking up

00:25:30.320 a cardboard sign.

00:25:31.720 He doesn't even

00:25:32.060 throw it,

00:25:32.340 by the way.

00:25:32.620 He places it,

00:25:33.260 places it on the ground

00:25:33.880 and just steps on it

00:25:34.940 and then walks away.

00:25:36.620 Terrorism!

00:25:38.360 So that is the one

00:25:39.820 single incident,

00:25:41.260 so far as I can tell,

00:25:42.240 of anything that would,

00:25:43.640 that could be classified

00:25:44.520 as violence

00:25:45.660 and it's violence

00:25:46.440 against a piece

00:25:47.120 of cardboard.

00:25:49.980 There's no other

00:25:50.600 evidence of it,

00:25:51.220 but that's what

00:25:51.720 they put in here.

00:25:53.600 Continue on,

00:25:54.180 it says,

00:25:54.380 Aerie Drennan,

00:25:55.040 the LGBTQ program

00:25:56.040 director for Media Matters,

00:25:57.060 a liberal watchdog organization,

00:25:58.280 said,

00:25:58.660 a common thread

00:25:59.180 connecting firestorms

00:26:00.160 around Target

00:26:00.660 and Bud Light's campaign

00:26:01.580 with Dylan Mulvaney

00:26:02.240 is Matt Walsh,

00:26:03.620 a political commentator

00:26:04.460 for the far-right website,

00:26:06.340 The Daily Wire.

00:26:07.360 Drennan said,

00:26:08.000 quote,

00:26:08.280 he's been one of the most

00:26:09.260 strident voices

00:26:10.140 pushing this forward.

00:26:11.420 Now they've been picked up

00:26:12.360 kind of more broadly

00:26:13.260 throughout the right-wing media

00:26:14.400 from people following that lead,

00:26:15.880 but he's been the person

00:26:17.000 who's really pushing

00:26:17.780 this kind of aggressive

00:26:18.640 boycott tactic.

00:26:19.900 She noted that Walsh

00:26:20.540 declared victory

00:26:21.180 over Target on social media

00:26:22.160 where he has 1.9 million

00:26:23.220 followers on Twitter.

00:26:24.960 Just crossed to 1.9 million

00:26:26.380 followers, by the way.

00:26:27.760 The judge just yesterday.

00:26:29.520 They could have added

00:26:30.120 a note of congratulations

00:26:31.160 to me here.

00:26:33.840 Drennan said that

00:26:34.680 part of what is allowing

00:26:35.400 Walsh to get traction

00:26:36.160 is his increased

00:26:37.400 national recognition

00:26:38.260 in efforts to restrict

00:26:39.140 transition-related

00:26:39.960 medical care for minors.

00:26:42.140 In February,

00:26:43.060 Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves

00:26:44.180 invited Walsh to speak

00:26:45.120 ahead of Reeves signing

00:26:45.960 a bill to ban

00:26:46.760 transition-related care

00:26:47.700 for minors in the state.

00:26:48.980 Earlier that month,

00:26:49.700 NBC News reported

00:26:50.520 that Walsh's advocacy

00:26:51.540 also influenced

00:26:52.360 Tennessee's decision

00:26:53.160 to reject more than

00:26:54.360 $8 million in federal funds

00:26:55.840 to combat HIV.

00:26:57.060 That part is just

00:26:57.660 completely made up.

00:27:00.700 Drennan said,

00:27:01.280 all of this is a

00:27:01.900 coordinated attempt

00:27:02.560 to make it untenable

00:27:03.880 to be specifically

00:27:04.700 trans in public.

00:27:06.240 And one of the ways

00:27:06.800 that they've attempted

00:27:07.240 to do this is by removing

00:27:08.220 any kind of political support,

00:27:09.420 any kind of corporate support,

00:27:10.880 just basically making it

00:27:12.020 untenable to be an ally

00:27:13.620 to the trans community.

00:27:14.480 And I think that's the real

00:27:15.740 connective tissue

00:27:16.460 between those.

00:27:17.760 Well, I will say

00:27:18.560 these accusations against me

00:27:20.040 for the most part

00:27:21.440 are totally true.

00:27:24.740 Yes.

00:27:25.360 And that is,

00:27:26.020 now,

00:27:26.880 are we trying to make it

00:27:27.740 untenable to be

00:27:28.640 specifically trans in public?

00:27:30.460 No,

00:27:30.960 we're not making it untenable.

00:27:32.780 Biology is what makes it

00:27:34.200 untenable to be trans.

00:27:35.400 No one can really be trans.

00:27:37.160 You can identify that way

00:27:38.580 and say that you are,

00:27:39.220 but you can't actually be it.

00:27:40.220 What we're trying to make untenable

00:27:42.380 is the promotion

00:27:44.100 of gender ideology,

00:27:46.000 especially to kids,

00:27:47.240 but also in general.

00:27:48.740 That's what we want

00:27:49.340 to be untenable.

00:27:51.080 And we have not succeeded yet.

00:27:53.040 We are a ways away

00:27:55.620 from succeeding

00:27:56.520 and actually making it

00:27:57.300 totally untenable

00:27:58.300 to promote these things publicly.

00:28:00.700 But that is the goal.

00:28:02.920 And we have achieved

00:28:05.340 a few victories

00:28:06.120 towards that goal,

00:28:07.020 but there's a long road ahead.

00:28:07.940 MSNBC also pointed the finger

00:28:12.880 at little old me last night

00:28:15.920 during one of their shows.

00:28:16.980 They brought a fake journalist

00:28:17.820 named Ben Collins on

00:28:19.080 to talk about all this.

00:28:20.540 And he actually read

00:28:21.940 one of my tweets

00:28:22.920 live on the air

00:28:23.880 to the other panelists

00:28:26.120 who were shocked.

00:28:27.660 Let's watch that.

00:28:29.400 Every company out there

00:28:30.740 has a corporate

00:28:31.460 social responsibility arm.

00:28:33.360 Diversity and inclusion

00:28:34.320 is a key initiative.

00:28:35.900 They're just going to go

00:28:36.460 after everyone?

00:28:37.080 Yeah, look, here's that tweet.

00:28:38.900 He said,

00:28:39.280 this is Matt Walsh,

00:28:40.120 a far-right commentator.

00:28:41.720 Here's what we should do.

00:28:42.960 Pick a victim

00:28:43.500 and gang up on it

00:28:44.520 and make an example of it.

00:28:46.260 We can't boycott

00:28:46.940 every woke company

00:28:47.860 or even most of them.

00:28:49.240 If we can pick one,

00:28:50.280 it hardly matters which.

00:28:51.900 He actually said that.

00:28:52.900 And target it

00:28:53.380 with a ruthless boycott campaign.

00:28:55.380 Claim one scalp,

00:28:57.080 then move on to the next.

00:28:58.860 That's what it's all about.

00:29:00.220 It doesn't matter

00:29:01.140 which company it is.

00:29:02.140 They're going to, you know,

00:29:03.160 try to make

00:29:04.360 their stock price dip,

00:29:06.300 which worked for Target.

00:29:07.860 For a moment.

00:29:08.960 For a second.

00:29:09.900 But again,

00:29:10.580 they get to say they won.

00:29:12.000 That's all that matters.

00:29:12.860 This is a brief narrative viral thing.

00:29:15.500 And I think it's very important

00:29:17.080 to note

00:29:17.600 that this is a very online movement.

00:29:20.400 They call it terminally online, right?

00:29:22.200 People who just can't,

00:29:23.520 you know,

00:29:23.900 process stuff in the real world.

00:29:26.140 They are trying to get

00:29:27.360 things to trend on Twitter,

00:29:28.680 which is their favorite site now.

00:29:29.920 They're trying to get viral memes

00:29:31.480 onto Truth Social and Facebook.

00:29:32.720 But in the real world,

00:29:35.120 who cares?

00:29:36.460 Yeah.

00:29:37.100 Honestly.

00:29:37.600 Just don't buy it.

00:29:38.060 Just don't buy it.

00:29:38.740 Just don't look at it.

00:29:39.960 Just move along.

00:29:42.420 In the real world,

00:29:43.480 who cares?

00:29:44.440 Well, Ben,

00:29:45.560 it turns out that

00:29:46.600 lots of people care.

00:29:48.180 In the real world.

00:29:49.380 Lots of people do,

00:29:50.240 as it turns out.

00:29:51.500 That's why these things

00:29:52.380 are gaining traction.

00:29:53.380 That's why Target

00:29:54.040 lost $8 billion.

00:29:56.060 What do you think

00:29:56.620 is happening to Bud Light?

00:29:57.520 Is that not happening

00:29:58.080 in the real world?

00:29:59.460 Where is that happening?

00:30:00.620 Where is the Bud Light boycott

00:30:01.580 happening?

00:30:02.700 All the places

00:30:03.500 where they're trying to,

00:30:04.140 they're basically trying

00:30:04.800 to give away their Bud Light

00:30:06.140 for free.

00:30:06.820 They're practically,

00:30:07.580 it's going to be at the point

00:30:08.600 where they're paying you

00:30:09.460 to take it.

00:30:11.160 Is that not happening

00:30:12.020 in the real world?

00:30:12.700 Where is it happening?

00:30:13.200 In the Matrix?

00:30:14.220 In your dreams?

00:30:14.900 In your nightmares?

00:30:15.600 No, it is the real world.

00:30:17.520 Not only that,

00:30:18.260 but by the way,

00:30:19.280 did you notice this?

00:30:20.380 Twitter is also

00:30:21.440 the real world.

00:30:22.840 Twitter is not the Matrix.

00:30:24.280 Twitter is not happening

00:30:25.600 in your nightmares.

00:30:26.640 It is actually

00:30:27.140 the real world.

00:30:28.820 In that there are,

00:30:29.540 when you go on Twitter,

00:30:30.860 it's a communication platform

00:30:33.040 so you have real human beings

00:30:34.740 who are using it

00:30:35.380 to communicate

00:30:35.740 with other real human beings.

00:30:36.520 There are also bots,

00:30:37.360 that's true,

00:30:38.320 but those exist

00:30:39.000 in the real world too.

00:30:39.780 That's part of the real,

00:30:40.620 all of that is real.

00:30:41.660 I don't know,

00:30:42.040 what's the alternative?

00:30:44.800 This is a coping mechanism

00:30:46.060 that people use

00:30:46.800 to say,

00:30:47.840 well, this is all online,

00:30:49.060 no one cares about this

00:30:49.820 in the real world.

00:30:50.440 First of all,

00:30:51.300 online is the real world.

00:30:53.060 If I go on Twitter right now,

00:30:55.240 I am in the real world

00:30:56.760 doing it

00:30:57.140 and I'm communicating

00:30:57.740 with other people

00:30:58.100 who are also in the real world.

00:30:59.540 The fact that we're communicating

00:31:02.360 through this mechanism

00:31:03.720 doesn't make it not real

00:31:05.000 any more than,

00:31:05.780 I've said before,

00:31:06.280 it's like if I wrote a note,

00:31:09.280 I wrote a nasty note

00:31:10.160 on a piece of paper

00:31:10.920 and I left it on your doorstep

00:31:12.740 and then you read the note

00:31:14.640 and I was insulting you

00:31:16.400 and you were upset

00:31:18.140 and you said,

00:31:18.960 why'd you leave that note?

00:31:20.080 And I said,

00:31:20.420 it's not the real world,

00:31:21.160 it's just a piece of paper.

00:31:22.520 That didn't happen

00:31:23.120 in the real world.

00:31:23.960 That happened in the world

00:31:27.000 of this piece of paper,

00:31:28.000 which I am completely

00:31:28.960 disconnected from.

00:31:32.760 No, all of that is real,

00:31:34.540 but also,

00:31:37.400 and this is something,

00:31:38.640 it's not just the left

00:31:39.640 that we hear this from.

00:31:40.860 There's even some conservatives,

00:31:42.100 people on the right,

00:31:42.900 who say the same thing,

00:31:43.800 that,

00:31:44.540 and this is becoming,

00:31:45.500 I'm hearing it increasingly

00:31:46.620 from some on the right,

00:31:47.460 that all the culture war stuff,

00:31:50.120 it's not real,

00:31:50.920 it's not things that real people

00:31:51.920 are concerned about.

00:31:53.960 Now on the right,

00:31:54.860 the people that say that,

00:31:56.460 they're,

00:31:57.060 you know,

00:31:57.500 the motivations are obvious.

00:32:00.400 Some of them,

00:32:01.080 they're just establishment

00:32:01.820 Republican types

00:32:02.780 and all they want to talk about

00:32:03.840 is taxes and money

00:32:05.160 and that's the only thing

00:32:05.720 they want to talk about.

00:32:08.600 And so some of that

00:32:09.520 is just classic GOP squishiness.

00:32:13.400 And then there's also people

00:32:14.700 on the right

00:32:15.540 who are just jealous.

00:32:18.700 Like we are,

00:32:19.900 we're achieving real victories

00:32:22.640 in the real world

00:32:24.340 on issues that really matter.

00:32:26.400 And there are some people

00:32:27.360 on the right

00:32:27.820 who are not involved in it

00:32:29.700 and haven't been spearheading it

00:32:31.660 and haven't been leading it.

00:32:33.020 And it's not their issues

00:32:34.700 that have been,

00:32:35.420 have been prompting this.

00:32:38.320 And so they're,

00:32:38.800 they're just jealous

00:32:39.400 and they're not getting credit

00:32:40.980 and they're jealous about it.

00:32:41.760 So they want to change the subject

00:32:43.060 to something that they want

00:32:44.120 to talk about.

00:32:44.620 That's,

00:32:44.800 that's what a lot of it is

00:32:45.840 on the right.

00:32:47.940 On the left,

00:32:49.320 you know,

00:32:49.700 it's obvious why they want

00:32:50.760 to dismiss it.

00:32:51.780 But the reality is that

00:32:53.540 these concerns are very real.

00:32:55.620 Like these are things

00:32:56.500 that regular people care about.

00:32:58.780 Okay.

00:33:00.540 One of the things

00:33:01.560 that regular people care about

00:33:03.020 deeply

00:33:04.280 is,

00:33:05.480 you know,

00:33:06.640 our society,

00:33:07.760 the kind of society

00:33:08.720 that,

00:33:09.660 that they are going

00:33:10.520 to be passing on

00:33:11.500 to their children.

00:33:12.060 What sort of society,

00:33:13.980 what sort of world,

00:33:14.660 what sort of country

00:33:15.360 are your children

00:33:16.680 going to inherit?

00:33:19.220 This is a concern

00:33:20.440 that cuts

00:33:21.140 to the deepest part

00:33:23.400 of a regular person's soul.

00:33:26.320 It's the kind of thing

00:33:27.120 you wake up in the morning

00:33:28.760 thinking about.

00:33:31.160 The fear that your children

00:33:32.380 will be destroyed

00:33:33.160 by this culture,

00:33:33.940 that your children

00:33:34.320 will be,

00:33:35.040 you know,

00:33:36.040 acclaimed by the trans cult

00:33:37.400 or any of these other

00:33:38.000 self-destructive leftist cults.

00:33:39.580 That's something that,

00:33:41.760 yeah,

00:33:41.880 that's very,

00:33:42.340 it's a very normal,

00:33:43.440 real person.

00:33:44.060 You go up to regular people

00:33:45.160 and I talk to regular people

00:33:46.500 all the time.

00:33:47.940 I am a regular person.

00:33:53.640 And

00:33:54.040 it is,

00:33:55.660 it is very much

00:33:56.860 a regular person

00:33:58.460 concern.

00:34:01.880 Now,

00:34:02.300 I also want to say that

00:34:03.040 the tweet that he read there

00:34:04.500 from,

00:34:04.920 of mine,

00:34:06.500 I posted on April 5th.

00:34:08.500 So this was after Bud Light

00:34:10.400 had the sponsorship

00:34:11.520 with Dylan Mulvaney.

00:34:12.540 It was before the,

00:34:13.340 but the,

00:34:13.760 the boycott caught on.

00:34:14.920 And if you remember

00:34:15.540 on this show,

00:34:16.320 we were like talking

00:34:17.660 openly about it

00:34:18.600 and about

00:34:19.640 we,

00:34:20.560 we need to,

00:34:21.860 exactly what I said

00:34:22.580 in the tweet.

00:34:24.420 We need to make an example

00:34:25.580 out of somebody.

00:34:28.160 Perhaps Bud Light

00:34:28.960 should be that,

00:34:29.760 should be

00:34:30.240 the victim

00:34:31.140 that we choose.

00:34:32.640 And there is a reason.

00:34:34.340 Okay.

00:34:34.660 I know

00:34:36.720 it might appear

00:34:37.340 sometimes

00:34:37.860 that I just

00:34:38.520 say things

00:34:39.400 randomly

00:34:39.900 or I'm,

00:34:41.000 I'm ranting

00:34:42.340 and venting

00:34:42.880 and there is some

00:34:43.460 of that that goes on.

00:34:44.480 But oftentimes

00:34:45.100 there's a,

00:34:45.840 there's a method

00:34:46.880 to the madness.

00:34:47.780 There's a reason

00:34:48.240 why I'm saying things.

00:34:49.140 And,

00:34:49.360 and I,

00:34:49.760 I put that tweet up

00:34:50.840 on,

00:34:52.020 intentionally.

00:34:54.060 Um,

00:34:54.620 I wanted to call

00:34:56.280 the shop

00:34:56.720 ahead of time.

00:34:58.100 I wanted to say,

00:34:59.020 okay,

00:34:59.140 this is what we're

00:34:59.680 going to do.

00:35:00.360 We're going to pick

00:35:00.960 somebody

00:35:01.460 and we're going

00:35:02.480 to,

00:35:02.540 we're going

00:35:02.680 to pick a brand.

00:35:04.320 Pick a brand

00:35:05.040 that's,

00:35:05.440 that has engaged

00:35:06.040 in this,

00:35:06.500 promoting this stuff

00:35:07.240 and we're going

00:35:07.680 to destroy it.

00:35:10.320 And it's important

00:35:11.220 to call the shot

00:35:12.180 because I want

00:35:13.980 these people

00:35:14.560 to know

00:35:14.960 that we're doing

00:35:15.420 it on purpose.

00:35:16.400 That it didn't

00:35:17.120 just happen randomly.

00:35:18.520 That it wasn't,

00:35:19.320 it wasn't happenstance.

00:35:20.360 We didn't get lucky.

00:35:22.980 We set out,

00:35:24.140 we had a strategy,

00:35:25.280 we executed it

00:35:26.540 and we won.

00:35:27.940 And I want them

00:35:28.800 to know that.

00:35:29.660 I want them

00:35:32.320 to know

00:35:32.800 that their own

00:35:33.680 strategies are now

00:35:34.680 being used

00:35:35.180 against them.

00:35:36.620 That this is

00:35:37.420 what they're up

00:35:37.880 against.

00:35:39.540 So,

00:35:40.320 yes,

00:35:41.300 proudly.

00:35:42.660 You can,

00:35:42.860 you can go ahead

00:35:43.600 and read my tweets

00:35:44.440 all you want

00:35:44.840 on the air,

00:35:45.480 on MSNBC.

00:35:47.200 Let's see.

00:35:49.020 A couple other

00:35:49.720 things I wanted

00:35:50.100 to mention.

00:35:51.780 Daily Wire,

00:35:52.500 Oath Keepers

00:35:53.180 founder Stuart Rhodes

00:35:54.440 received the longest

00:35:55.360 prison sentence

00:35:56.080 to date,

00:35:56.740 stemming from

00:35:57.140 the January 6,

00:35:57.920 2021 riot

00:35:58.640 at the U.S.

00:35:59.060 Capitol.

00:36:00.100 Convicted

00:36:00.460 by a Washington,

00:36:01.560 D.C.

00:36:01.820 jury in November

00:36:02.440 on seditious

00:36:03.100 conspiracy

00:36:03.540 and other charges,

00:36:04.340 the 58-year-old Rhodes

00:36:05.280 was sentenced

00:36:05.820 on Thursday

00:36:06.780 to 18 years

00:36:08.060 behind bars.

00:36:09.420 I dare say,

00:36:10.080 Mr. Rhodes,

00:36:11.000 and I never have

00:36:11.960 said this to anyone

00:36:12.680 I've sentenced,

00:36:13.660 you pose an

00:36:14.340 ongoing threat

00:36:15.300 and peril

00:36:15.900 to our democracy

00:36:16.800 and the fabric

00:36:17.860 of this country,

00:36:19.160 said District Judge

00:36:20.200 Amita Mehta,

00:36:21.380 according to CNN.

00:36:23.860 I think it's

00:36:24.560 interesting if the judge

00:36:25.340 says,

00:36:25.840 I've never said

00:36:26.280 this to anyone,

00:36:26.760 you pose an

00:36:27.220 ongoing threat.

00:36:28.280 Really?

00:36:28.640 Yeah.

00:36:29.400 That's exactly

00:36:30.100 the problem,

00:36:31.360 Your Honor,

00:36:31.980 is that you've

00:36:33.120 never said that

00:36:33.620 to anyone

00:36:33.960 until this person

00:36:34.920 who was involved

00:36:36.940 in January 6.

00:36:38.600 I'm willing to bet

00:36:41.520 that you have

00:36:43.360 encountered

00:36:43.960 as a judge

00:36:45.740 and you have

00:36:46.780 presided over

00:36:47.460 trials

00:36:48.220 many times

00:36:49.700 of criminals

00:36:50.300 who absolutely

00:36:51.500 pose an

00:36:52.320 ongoing threat

00:36:53.140 to this country

00:36:53.740 and to the fabric

00:36:54.340 of our society.

00:36:55.240 Every violent criminal,

00:36:57.260 every chronic

00:36:58.720 violent criminal,

00:36:59.760 and so many

00:37:00.280 violent criminals

00:37:00.780 are chronic,

00:37:02.740 in that they continue

00:37:04.020 in this behavior

00:37:04.620 and will always continue

00:37:05.440 as long as they're

00:37:05.980 allowed to.

00:37:06.840 All of them

00:37:07.680 pose an ongoing

00:37:08.680 threat.

00:37:09.440 It is a threat

00:37:10.000 to the fabric

00:37:10.640 of our society,

00:37:11.440 which is right now

00:37:11.920 being ripped

00:37:12.860 at the seams

00:37:14.420 by crime.

00:37:18.700 But she's never

00:37:19.480 said that to anyone

00:37:19.980 before.

00:37:21.900 Never said that

00:37:22.620 to anyone before

00:37:23.280 until this person,

00:37:25.960 who, by the way,

00:37:28.500 is not an ongoing

00:37:29.640 threat.

00:37:30.840 January 6th

00:37:31.540 is over.

00:37:33.600 It's been over

00:37:34.840 for a long time.

00:37:36.560 It's not ever

00:37:37.560 going to happen again.

00:37:38.800 I think that's

00:37:39.220 pretty clear.

00:37:41.020 And anyone involved

00:37:41.940 does not pose,

00:37:42.540 what threat

00:37:43.060 do they pose?

00:37:44.660 Really?

00:37:45.020 This person,

00:37:46.120 let's say Stuart Rhodes

00:37:47.220 is an ongoing

00:37:48.020 threat to our democracy?

00:37:49.760 How so?

00:37:51.460 Let's just say

00:37:51.900 you let Stuart Rhodes

00:37:52.680 walk out free

00:37:53.880 and he's free tomorrow.

00:37:55.780 What is he going to do

00:37:56.780 to our democracy?

00:37:57.940 What is Stuart Rhodes

00:37:58.780 going to do

00:37:59.200 to destroy our democracy

00:38:00.480 single-handedly?

00:38:02.340 You know,

00:38:03.440 this person

00:38:05.060 has the longest sentence

00:38:06.640 of any of the

00:38:07.360 January Sixers

00:38:08.580 and we know

00:38:11.360 that all of this

00:38:12.020 is politically motivated,

00:38:13.200 of course,

00:38:14.240 and 18 years

00:38:16.180 is absurd

00:38:17.400 and unjust.

00:38:18.980 This is a cruel

00:38:20.180 and unusual punishment.

00:38:21.400 It's really,

00:38:21.680 it's unconstitutional

00:38:22.760 for that reason.

00:38:26.520 But I could almost

00:38:27.880 in a different world,

00:38:30.640 you know,

00:38:30.960 in like some kind of,

00:38:32.040 we talk about living

00:38:32.780 in a fantasy world,

00:38:34.080 in a fantasy world,

00:38:35.900 the way that they've

00:38:37.440 come down on

00:38:38.420 people involved

00:38:39.140 in January 6th,

00:38:39.980 giving them these

00:38:40.460 long prison sentences,

00:38:42.640 there is,

00:38:43.340 there is a,

00:38:44.020 a possible universe

00:38:45.820 where I could maybe

00:38:47.680 be okay with some of that.

00:38:49.200 And that would be

00:38:50.200 a universe

00:38:50.780 where we live

00:38:52.460 in a country

00:38:52.980 with a,

00:38:54.180 with a

00:38:55.080 actual criminal

00:38:56.720 justice system

00:38:57.600 that comes down

00:38:59.140 on crime

00:39:00.040 harshly

00:39:01.340 and severely

00:39:02.140 and where,

00:39:06.460 you know,

00:39:07.180 violent criminals

00:39:08.060 are locked away

00:39:09.460 forever

00:39:10.120 and we actually

00:39:12.740 execute people

00:39:13.840 and not after

00:39:14.620 30 years on death row.

00:39:16.800 And we do things

00:39:17.960 like we execute

00:39:18.840 drug traffickers.

00:39:19.700 In a country

00:39:21.440 where we take

00:39:22.200 criminal justice

00:39:22.960 that seriously

00:39:24.040 and we are

00:39:24.900 that consistent

00:39:25.960 about it

00:39:26.700 and we are

00:39:30.100 that severe

00:39:30.940 with criminals

00:39:32.040 in that kind

00:39:33.660 of country,

00:39:34.340 then,

00:39:35.320 yeah,

00:39:35.900 maybe they say,

00:39:36.440 well,

00:39:36.520 look,

00:39:36.640 if you,

00:39:36.880 if you participate

00:39:37.440 in a riot,

00:39:38.140 we're going to put you

00:39:38.560 in jail for 20 years

00:39:39.460 if you participate

00:39:40.140 in a riot.

00:39:41.240 I can be okay

00:39:41.900 with that.

00:39:43.100 As long as,

00:39:43.760 again,

00:39:43.840 it's in the context

00:39:44.380 of criminal justice

00:39:44.860 system where they

00:39:45.680 take all crime

00:39:46.240 seriously and also

00:39:47.080 they do that

00:39:47.940 with all rioters.

00:39:48.720 So the BLM rioters,

00:39:50.860 if they were all

00:39:51.960 looking at 20,

00:39:52.960 30,

00:39:53.320 40 year prison sentences

00:39:54.660 and January 6th

00:39:57.780 comes along,

00:39:58.360 some people on the

00:39:58.900 right participate

00:39:59.400 in a riot.

00:39:59.960 It was a riot.

00:40:01.660 And they say,

00:40:02.360 well,

00:40:02.560 same thing's going

00:40:03.020 to happen to you.

00:40:04.080 No exceptions.

00:40:05.140 Participate in a riot,

00:40:05.720 you go to jail

00:40:06.000 for 20 years.

00:40:09.400 I'd be okay with that.

00:40:10.160 I'd be okay with,

00:40:10.800 you know,

00:40:11.640 if the standard was

00:40:12.820 you participate

00:40:13.900 in a riot,

00:40:14.440 you're in jail

00:40:14.740 for 20 years.

00:40:16.040 That's it.

00:40:17.760 Certainly make

00:40:18.280 all riots go away.

00:40:19.960 And if that was

00:40:20.680 the world that we

00:40:21.080 lived in and

00:40:21.900 there was a riot

00:40:22.820 and there was

00:40:23.200 people on our side

00:40:24.460 allegedly involved

00:40:25.080 in it,

00:40:25.480 then I would say,

00:40:26.500 well,

00:40:27.520 you know,

00:40:27.820 that's,

00:40:28.540 those are the rules.

00:40:32.100 But we don't

00:40:32.660 live in that world.

00:40:33.540 That's a fantasy world.

00:40:34.320 We don't live

00:40:34.620 in that world.

00:40:35.740 We live in a world

00:40:36.500 where if you participate

00:40:38.200 in a riot on the left,

00:40:39.940 nothing happens to you.

00:40:41.760 You could go and

00:40:42.500 burn down a police station.

00:40:44.260 You could kill people.

00:40:45.300 You could throw bricks

00:40:46.480 at the,

00:40:46.840 you know,

00:40:47.660 you can bash

00:40:48.600 police officers

00:40:49.220 over the head

00:40:49.560 with bricks,

00:40:50.640 set police cars

00:40:51.480 on fire,

00:40:52.100 nothing happens to you.

00:40:54.140 You can have

00:40:54.700 violent criminals

00:40:55.420 who have been arrested

00:40:56.140 40 times

00:40:57.060 that are still

00:40:57.400 walking the street

00:40:58.340 assaulting old ladies.

00:41:00.520 All that is

00:41:01.320 allowed to happen.

00:41:02.940 And then January 6th,

00:41:04.220 and that's the one time

00:41:05.720 that the criminal justice

00:41:06.380 system decides

00:41:06.900 to get really serious

00:41:08.040 about punishing crime.

00:41:13.160 All right.

00:41:14.200 This is from the Daily Mail.

00:41:15.280 It says,

00:41:15.940 Growing human babies

00:41:16.860 from scratch in a lab

00:41:18.220 could be possible

00:41:19.040 in just five years

00:41:20.180 thanks to a new breakthrough.

00:41:21.960 Researchers in Japan

00:41:22.760 are on the cusp

00:41:23.440 of being able to create

00:41:24.300 human eggs and sperm

00:41:25.460 in the lab from scratch,

00:41:27.740 which would then develop

00:41:28.740 in an artificial womb.

00:41:31.580 Professor Katsuhiko Hayashi,

00:41:35.900 I think I actually nailed that,

00:41:37.020 a Japanese scientist,

00:41:38.200 has already figured out

00:41:39.780 the process in mice

00:41:40.820 and believes he is

00:41:41.620 just five years away

00:41:42.620 from replicating the result

00:41:43.700 in humans.

00:41:45.080 But there are ethical concerns,

00:41:46.220 as it means women

00:41:46.820 of any age could have babies.

00:41:48.080 Parents may also want

00:41:48.980 to design their offspring

00:41:49.940 to have certain traits

00:41:50.780 using gene editing tools,

00:41:52.540 giving way to the notion

00:41:53.340 of an assumed perfect child.

00:41:55.980 Yeah, ethical concerns,

00:41:57.240 that's one way of putting it.

00:41:59.260 There are ethical concerns.

00:42:01.040 Yeah, the ethical concern

00:42:01.720 is that the whole idea

00:42:02.880 is an abomination.

00:42:05.480 The ethical concern

00:42:06.240 is that this is an abomination.

00:42:09.180 Creating human beings

00:42:10.400 in a lab,

00:42:10.980 taking the mother

00:42:12.580 and father

00:42:13.060 out of the picture

00:42:13.900 completely,

00:42:15.300 designing people

00:42:16.600 to fit your own specifications,

00:42:18.880 right?

00:42:19.100 Parents designing a child

00:42:20.740 rather than letting

00:42:21.560 the child exist

00:42:22.700 and be born

00:42:23.520 as their own

00:42:26.120 individual human being.

00:42:27.760 You know,

00:42:27.900 you design him

00:42:28.960 like he's a,

00:42:30.220 like he's a,

00:42:30.840 you know,

00:42:32.700 a fashion accessory.

00:42:36.520 Yeah, ethical concerns.

00:42:38.080 The whole thing

00:42:38.560 is an ethical concern.

00:42:39.760 The whole thing

00:42:40.240 is abominable.

00:42:42.340 And it should

00:42:43.160 obviously be banned.

00:42:45.060 Now, this is happening

00:42:45.900 in Japan.

00:42:46.680 We can't pass laws

00:42:47.880 for Japan.

00:42:49.340 But countries

00:42:50.040 should be banning this.

00:42:51.520 United States,

00:42:52.240 we should just ban this.

00:42:53.180 This should be banned outright.

00:42:55.400 There's no good reason

00:42:56.480 to do it.

00:42:57.880 You know,

00:42:58.120 I'm still skeptical

00:42:59.760 about whether this

00:43:00.840 could ever actually

00:43:01.600 really happen.

00:43:03.160 But I can't say for sure

00:43:04.260 that it can't.

00:43:06.240 Which is why

00:43:06.920 right now

00:43:07.460 we should say,

00:43:08.320 no, you can't do that.

00:43:09.380 You cannot do that.

00:43:11.180 I don't care if

00:43:11.700 science gets to the point

00:43:13.280 where it can do it.

00:43:15.840 So,

00:43:16.200 I guess I should amend.

00:43:17.660 You may not do that.

00:43:19.600 Okay?

00:43:19.740 There are things

00:43:20.520 that you can do,

00:43:21.720 but you may not do them.

00:43:23.920 And we need to start,

00:43:25.500 that needs to be a message

00:43:26.300 that we're communicating

00:43:27.180 to scientists too.

00:43:29.900 Okay?

00:43:30.100 Just because you can do it,

00:43:31.220 it's like the old

00:43:31.700 Jurassic Park line.

00:43:34.040 You're thinking about

00:43:34.480 what you can do.

00:43:35.080 You didn't stop to think

00:43:35.560 about what you should do.

00:43:38.340 Well,

00:43:38.720 to me,

00:43:39.020 it's a very obvious thing.

00:43:40.420 There should just simply

00:43:41.080 be a law saying,

00:43:42.180 no,

00:43:42.820 you cannot design babies

00:43:43.880 in laboratories.

00:43:44.720 You can't do that.

00:43:45.660 We're not going to allow that.

00:43:47.580 This is like,

00:43:48.820 how many dystopian

00:43:50.760 science fiction films

00:43:51.960 and stories

00:43:52.460 do we all need to see?

00:43:54.160 You know,

00:43:54.280 we all know where this leads.

00:43:56.080 We all know the problems.

00:43:59.560 And you've got scientists

00:44:00.400 that they watch

00:44:01.980 those dystopian

00:44:02.700 horror sci-fi films

00:44:04.040 and they don't see

00:44:04.880 a cautionary tale.

00:44:05.700 They see a guidebook.

00:44:07.520 They see an instruction manual.

00:44:10.600 And we sit back impotently

00:44:12.020 just watching them do it

00:44:12.960 rather than passing laws

00:44:13.960 and saying,

00:44:14.420 you can't do this.

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00:45:23.000 So two comments

00:45:23.900 I want to read,

00:45:24.700 just two,

00:45:26.260 because they both have

00:45:26.940 some meat to them.

00:45:28.480 Different subjects.

00:45:29.400 This one's from Eric.

00:45:30.380 Says,

00:45:30.640 Matt,

00:45:30.840 for a small government

00:45:31.480 conservative,

00:45:31.980 it's funny that you

00:45:32.640 support DeSantis

00:45:33.380 who voted three times

00:45:34.920 for a 23% federal sales tax.

00:45:37.940 All right,

00:45:38.180 I've seen this floating around

00:45:39.240 from DeSantis critics

00:45:40.180 and I want to talk

00:45:41.960 about it for a second.

00:45:43.840 Anyone who says this,

00:45:45.380 who claims this,

00:45:46.920 or puts this in an attack ad

00:45:48.400 or whatever,

00:45:49.020 without context,

00:45:49.820 is lying.

00:45:50.780 Okay,

00:45:51.000 it is possible.

00:45:52.180 It's possible to say

00:45:53.160 something that's true,

00:45:54.220 but you're also lying

00:45:55.520 when you take out

00:45:56.720 needed context.

00:45:59.020 So,

00:46:00.520 yes,

00:46:00.900 DeSantis voted

00:46:01.540 for a 23%

00:46:02.540 national sales tax.

00:46:03.820 Do you know why?

00:46:04.420 Well,

00:46:04.600 it was a plan

00:46:05.300 to abolish

00:46:06.860 the IRS

00:46:07.420 and the income tax.

00:46:09.040 It's called the fair tax.

00:46:09.980 You've probably heard of it.

00:46:11.180 And the idea is

00:46:12.220 to get rid

00:46:13.120 of the income tax.

00:46:14.260 Get rid of the federal income tax.

00:46:15.900 And if you get rid

00:46:16.380 of the federal income tax,

00:46:17.220 you get rid of the IRS.

00:46:19.060 Get the IRS

00:46:19.860 out of our paychecks,

00:46:21.120 out of our bank accounts.

00:46:22.520 Stop allowing them

00:46:23.460 to tax us

00:46:24.460 just for earning a living.

00:46:25.760 And instead,

00:46:27.300 shift it over

00:46:27.940 to a consumption tax

00:46:29.240 where several different

00:46:30.440 kinds of goods,

00:46:31.040 I think groceries

00:46:31.580 and that sort of thing,

00:46:32.640 would still be exempt

00:46:33.500 from the 23% tax.

00:46:34.600 But in general,

00:46:35.680 you shift it over

00:46:36.200 to a consumption tax.

00:46:38.360 What's the advantage of that?

00:46:39.660 Well,

00:46:40.040 it's,

00:46:40.580 you have more control.

00:46:42.800 Now,

00:46:42.940 obviously,

00:46:43.160 you still need to go out

00:46:43.760 and buy things.

00:46:44.820 But you have more control

00:46:46.280 over how much tax you pay

00:46:47.740 when it's consumption based.

00:46:50.100 It's a lot more fair.

00:46:51.540 It's the reason why

00:46:51.960 it's called the fair tax.

00:46:53.460 It's a lot more equal

00:46:54.500 for everybody.

00:46:56.580 Although it's still,

00:46:57.780 you know,

00:46:58.040 it's,

00:46:58.600 it's equal

00:47:00.400 in that we're all subject

00:47:01.340 to the same kind of tax.

00:47:02.960 But you'd still end up

00:47:03.940 with rich people

00:47:04.560 paying a lot more tax

00:47:05.380 because they buy more stuff

00:47:06.380 and they buy more expensive stuff.

00:47:07.740 And so they'd be paying

00:47:08.300 more in taxes.

00:47:09.740 And the reason why

00:47:11.020 you replace,

00:47:12.080 the reason why

00:47:12.580 you have the 23% sales tax

00:47:14.820 as part of the fair tax plan

00:47:15.900 is because the idea

00:47:17.980 is to replace the revenue

00:47:19.220 that's lost

00:47:20.020 from getting rid

00:47:20.860 of the income tax.

00:47:21.520 I think it's like 40%

00:47:22.500 of the government's revenue

00:47:23.900 or probably more now

00:47:25.400 is from the income tax.

00:47:28.620 And one of the objections

00:47:29.760 to getting rid

00:47:30.200 of the income tax

00:47:31.100 is,

00:47:31.360 well,

00:47:31.420 what are we going to do

00:47:31.940 if we lose all the revenue?

00:47:33.040 It's going to be a disaster.

00:47:34.320 And so the fair tax idea

00:47:35.580 is,

00:47:35.860 okay,

00:47:36.480 well,

00:47:36.600 we can replace that revenue

00:47:38.280 but do it in a way

00:47:39.240 that's a lot more fair,

00:47:41.180 respects our privacy

00:47:42.740 a lot more.

00:47:43.780 We don't have to have

00:47:44.420 the IRS anymore.

00:47:45.880 You're not being taxed

00:47:47.040 just for living,

00:47:47.960 just for working.

00:47:49.680 Now,

00:47:50.100 I personally don't support

00:47:52.120 the fair tax

00:47:52.760 because I want something

00:47:54.200 much more radical than that.

00:47:56.520 I think we get rid

00:47:57.180 of the income tax

00:47:58.100 and replace it with nothing.

00:48:00.820 Okay?

00:48:01.260 If you get rid of

00:48:02.320 the income tax

00:48:03.120 and the 40 to 50%

00:48:04.620 of revenue

00:48:05.100 that the government makes,

00:48:05.900 they're still bringing in

00:48:07.580 trillions of dollars.

00:48:09.600 Okay?

00:48:09.740 It still leaves them

00:48:10.760 trillions of dollars

00:48:12.640 to play with.

00:48:14.440 I think that should be enough.

00:48:16.840 Like,

00:48:17.320 can you operate a government

00:48:18.600 on two,

00:48:19.280 three trillion dollars?

00:48:20.140 Like,

00:48:20.380 that's more money

00:48:22.000 than exists in the world?

00:48:23.840 More money than

00:48:24.660 can be conceived of?

00:48:27.260 Like,

00:48:27.680 enough money

00:48:28.140 that if stacked it up,

00:48:29.180 if you made a big stack,

00:48:29.880 it would hit the moon

00:48:30.460 or something?

00:48:32.820 Is that,

00:48:33.200 can we operate a government

00:48:34.300 on that?

00:48:35.900 We can.

00:48:37.280 We should.

00:48:38.380 So I'd like to get rid

00:48:39.100 of the income tax

00:48:39.680 and replace it with nothing.

00:48:42.120 But the fair tax

00:48:43.160 is certainly better

00:48:43.960 than the income tax

00:48:44.820 anyway.

00:48:46.360 It's a,

00:48:46.920 it is a,

00:48:47.560 you know,

00:48:49.160 it's an actual plan

00:48:50.780 to do something,

00:48:51.520 to do something

00:48:52.180 like a radical change

00:48:53.560 that's actually necessary,

00:48:55.040 a real change.

00:48:56.340 And it is definitely better

00:48:58.700 than having the income tax.

00:49:01.100 Because right now,

00:49:02.520 you work for a living

00:49:03.780 and the government

00:49:05.220 comes in

00:49:05.920 and they,

00:49:06.800 they reach their hand

00:49:08.200 into your paycheck

00:49:09.640 before you even

00:49:11.820 receive it.

00:49:13.220 they take their cut

00:49:15.660 of your paycheck

00:49:17.380 and then give you

00:49:18.920 the rest.

00:49:20.000 That's the system

00:49:20.760 right now.

00:49:21.580 There is no privacy,

00:49:23.040 there is no liberty,

00:49:23.880 there's no freedom

00:49:24.420 involved in this.

00:49:25.260 And this would reclaim

00:49:29.180 some of that.

00:49:29.740 So that's what he voted for

00:49:31.280 and,

00:49:31.780 you know,

00:49:34.060 if you think,

00:49:34.740 if you want to defend

00:49:35.380 the IRS

00:49:35.760 and you want to defend

00:49:36.760 the income tax,

00:49:37.480 that's fine,

00:49:37.920 but that is what

00:49:38.420 you're defending.

00:49:38.840 Haley Kirkpatrick says,

00:49:41.900 I was diagnosed with

00:49:42.740 depression when I was

00:49:43.560 10 years old.

00:49:44.320 I had a really rough

00:49:44.940 childhood.

00:49:45.460 I started taking

00:49:46.240 antidepressants at 11.

00:49:48.200 I took them up until

00:49:49.040 about six months ago.

00:49:50.240 I had been on all kinds

00:49:51.560 of antidepressants.

00:49:52.760 The side effects were awful,

00:49:53.740 the withdrawals were crippling,

00:49:54.800 and I was already isolated

00:49:55.680 from my peers,

00:49:56.320 but this made things worse.

00:49:57.800 I tried to take my life

00:49:59.160 upwards of 50 times

00:50:00.260 for those eight years

00:50:01.140 I was taking those meds.

00:50:02.420 I had 56 hospitalizations

00:50:04.060 for suicide and self-harm.

00:50:05.760 My childhood was robbed

00:50:06.760 from me.

00:50:07.660 Those places did nothing

00:50:08.560 to help except shove

00:50:09.540 more meds down my throat.

00:50:10.980 They traumatized me

00:50:11.800 more than I already was.

00:50:12.980 I had a really hard time

00:50:13.660 making friends and keeping them.

00:50:14.740 I never had a good

00:50:15.220 relationship with my parents

00:50:15.960 for a whole surplus of reasons.

00:50:17.420 I was isolated and alone,

00:50:18.660 a traumatized kid

00:50:19.540 giving meds to try and cure me.

00:50:20.820 The only other,

00:50:21.380 only ever made things worse.

00:50:23.760 When I went off my meds,

00:50:25.540 everything changed.

00:50:26.140 I started to see

00:50:26.620 a purpose in life.

00:50:27.460 I no longer struggle

00:50:28.260 with self-harm

00:50:28.900 or suicidal tendencies.

00:50:30.480 My other mental health

00:50:31.780 disorders started seeing

00:50:32.600 extreme improvement too.

00:50:34.560 I told everyone

00:50:35.400 about the changes

00:50:36.060 I was seeing,

00:50:36.620 and all they did

00:50:37.380 was tell me

00:50:37.820 to get back on the meds.

00:50:38.920 I was a victim

00:50:39.400 of this over-medicalization

00:50:40.680 for almost my entire life.

00:50:42.320 I have to live

00:50:43.600 knowing I will probably

00:50:44.380 never see justice

00:50:45.220 for the abuse I experienced

00:50:46.160 in the hands of these doctors

00:50:47.000 looking to make a quick buck.

00:50:49.080 I've heard many stories

00:50:49.840 like this.

00:50:50.720 I'm sorry that you

00:50:51.480 went through all that.

00:50:52.100 I'm glad that

00:50:52.640 you have,

00:50:56.720 as you said,

00:50:57.220 reclaimed some sense

00:50:58.580 of purpose in your life,

00:50:59.540 which is obviously crucial

00:51:01.160 to living a happy life.

00:51:02.340 But the thing

00:51:03.360 that disturbed me

00:51:03.940 the most in your comment

00:51:04.820 is that you have been

00:51:06.380 on antidepressants

00:51:07.080 since the age of 10

00:51:08.040 because you say

00:51:08.720 you had a really rough childhood.

00:51:10.240 So you had a really rough childhood

00:51:11.520 and you were depressed

00:51:12.520 because of your rough childhood

00:51:14.500 and they put you on drugs.

00:51:16.060 And this is exactly

00:51:16.720 the problem right here.

00:51:17.960 This is it.

00:51:18.360 I mean,

00:51:18.720 they claim that depression

00:51:20.760 is nothing but a medical problem.

00:51:22.040 It's a disease,

00:51:23.400 something that we can solve

00:51:24.380 with a pill.

00:51:25.440 But then they prescribe

00:51:26.640 the pills,

00:51:27.220 even for people

00:51:27.720 who are depressed,

00:51:28.380 for obvious,

00:51:29.760 valid,

00:51:30.480 external reasons.

00:51:32.220 If you had a rough childhood,

00:51:33.740 and I don't know

00:51:34.160 what you mean specifically

00:51:34.940 by that,

00:51:35.360 but we can imagine

00:51:36.000 if your childhood was bad,

00:51:38.800 it makes sense

00:51:39.440 that you were depressed.

00:51:40.640 There's a rational response.

00:51:42.360 There's a rational response

00:51:43.500 to a bad childhood.

00:51:44.300 It doesn't mean

00:51:44.640 that I want you

00:51:45.960 to be depressed

00:51:46.380 or anything,

00:51:46.700 of course,

00:51:47.040 but you had a bad childhood

00:51:50.980 that made you sad

00:51:52.500 as a child,

00:51:53.220 made you depressed.

00:51:54.740 Well,

00:51:55.080 that makes sense.

00:51:56.700 So when they give the drugs

00:51:57.920 and they diagnose you

00:51:58.740 with a disease,

00:51:59.340 are they saying

00:51:59.860 you shouldn't be sad

00:52:01.040 about having

00:52:01.460 a terrible childhood?

00:52:02.900 That somehow

00:52:03.460 it's unreasonable

00:52:04.260 or extreme

00:52:05.240 for you to respond

00:52:06.060 emotionally

00:52:06.620 to your environment?

00:52:08.220 For you to respond

00:52:09.200 like a human being?

00:52:11.100 You didn't have an illness,

00:52:12.140 you were a human.

00:52:13.100 That was your illness,

00:52:14.180 being human,

00:52:14.880 the same illness

00:52:15.320 we all have.

00:52:17.260 And again,

00:52:17.680 I don't know the nature

00:52:18.280 of your childhood,

00:52:18.840 but let's just say

00:52:19.580 a child is abused,

00:52:21.320 neglected,

00:52:22.020 unloved.

00:52:22.780 These are things

00:52:23.520 that we normally mean

00:52:25.060 when we talk about

00:52:25.660 having a rough childhood.

00:52:27.040 But you have a child

00:52:27.800 like that,

00:52:28.180 she's sad about it

00:52:30.300 and they put her

00:52:31.300 on drugs.

00:52:32.440 Okay,

00:52:33.400 and then if the drugs work,

00:52:35.580 she's not sad anymore.

00:52:37.480 Is that better?

00:52:38.220 I mean,

00:52:38.400 is it better for a child

00:52:39.620 to be happy

00:52:40.380 while being treated

00:52:41.540 that way?

00:52:42.880 Isn't sadness

00:52:43.720 the correct

00:52:44.580 and healthy response?

00:52:46.620 Isn't treating

00:52:47.400 the sadness

00:52:48.120 but not the external cause

00:52:49.900 just like giving someone

00:52:51.280 a painkiller

00:52:51.960 so they can put their hand

00:52:53.280 on a hot stove?

00:52:54.140 Isn't it like

00:52:54.440 the same kind of thing?

00:52:55.600 Not that you as a child

00:52:56.520 had your hand

00:52:56.960 on a hot stove

00:52:57.640 like it was your fault.

00:52:58.480 My point is simply

00:52:59.020 that when you numb

00:53:00.420 a person's emotional response

00:53:02.380 to a negative external condition,

00:53:04.940 you are doing something

00:53:06.600 that is going to make them

00:53:07.600 less healthy

00:53:08.580 in the long run,

00:53:09.840 not as well adjusted,

00:53:10.880 more vulnerable

00:53:11.540 in the long run.

00:53:14.040 So that's the point.

00:53:15.680 Like,

00:53:15.840 there are so many reasons

00:53:18.360 in this world

00:53:19.600 why a person

00:53:20.700 might experience

00:53:21.700 despair,

00:53:22.700 depression,

00:53:23.740 deep,

00:53:25.440 lasting sadness.

00:53:28.020 There are a lot of reasons

00:53:29.420 for that,

00:53:30.320 tragically,

00:53:30.940 because we live

00:53:31.680 in a world

00:53:32.380 where a lot of

00:53:33.000 really horrible things happen.

00:53:35.800 And so when a person

00:53:36.560 is depressed,

00:53:37.440 most of the time,

00:53:38.860 you don't have to look

00:53:39.620 that far

00:53:40.680 to peer into their lives

00:53:42.700 and see,

00:53:43.140 well, okay,

00:53:43.500 here are all these things

00:53:44.280 that are happening

00:53:44.880 in your life,

00:53:46.120 happening to you,

00:53:47.240 and you're sad

00:53:48.040 because of that.

00:53:48.540 Of course you're going

00:53:49.460 to be sad

00:53:49.820 because of that.

00:53:52.640 So there's just

00:53:53.560 something about that

00:53:54.240 that I find

00:53:54.720 it's so,

00:53:57.240 an antidepressant

00:53:58.460 to a child

00:53:59.000 who has a bad childhood.

00:54:01.300 Is that really

00:54:02.120 a solution?

00:54:03.100 Making children numb

00:54:04.440 to their own

00:54:05.720 terrible circumstances?

00:54:07.140 That's how we solve it?

00:54:09.080 And as I've said

00:54:09.660 many times before,

00:54:10.480 you know,

00:54:10.720 even,

00:54:11.700 even if there isn't

00:54:14.140 something obviously

00:54:14.980 happening in your life

00:54:15.900 that would make you

00:54:16.680 depressed,

00:54:17.360 like having

00:54:19.120 a horrible childhood

00:54:19.920 or you're going

00:54:21.160 through,

00:54:21.780 experiencing loss,

00:54:23.220 you lost a job,

00:54:24.060 you lost a loved one,

00:54:24.980 even if you don't

00:54:26.260 have something like that.

00:54:27.420 And the thing is,

00:54:27.960 people do have

00:54:28.680 those big red flag things

00:54:30.200 that are obviously

00:54:30.780 causing them

00:54:31.200 to be depressed

00:54:31.760 and they still

00:54:32.860 get put on

00:54:33.440 the antidepressants.

00:54:35.280 But let's say

00:54:35.940 you don't have that.

00:54:37.560 The simple fact

00:54:38.580 of being human,

00:54:39.900 of like living

00:54:40.820 in this world

00:54:41.820 and being a mortal creature

00:54:43.360 and, you know,

00:54:44.300 seeing all the pain

00:54:45.680 and suffering around you,

00:54:46.940 like that can,

00:54:48.980 that can cause people

00:54:50.500 to experience depression

00:54:51.520 just based on that alone.

00:54:53.920 Like being human

00:54:55.260 can cause depression,

00:54:56.740 which doesn't mean

00:54:58.380 that we abandon someone

00:55:00.500 to those feelings,

00:55:01.240 that we don't try

00:55:01.760 to help them.

00:55:02.300 I'm not saying that.

00:55:03.360 I'm saying that we don't

00:55:04.080 treat it like a disease

00:55:05.180 because it is not

00:55:05.940 a diseased,

00:55:07.060 disordered response

00:55:08.420 to what they're,

00:55:09.760 you know,

00:55:11.420 seeing in the world.

00:55:12.160 That's the point,

00:55:14.500 but I think you

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00:56:49.620 I didn't realize

00:56:54.340 that the Kardashians

00:56:55.160 reality show

00:56:55.800 was still on the air,

00:56:56.600 but apparently it is.

00:56:57.680 In my head,

00:56:58.540 it ended sometime

00:56:59.140 around the year 2003,

00:57:00.560 which I think is before

00:57:01.340 the series actually started.

00:57:03.240 But anyway,

00:57:03.660 the point is that

00:57:04.220 I was surprised

00:57:05.260 to see a clip

00:57:05.880 from the show

00:57:06.360 go viral this week.

00:57:07.440 To me,

00:57:07.660 it felt a bit like

00:57:08.260 seeing everyone

00:57:08.780 sharing a clip

00:57:09.440 from last night's episode

00:57:10.460 of Who Wants to Be

00:57:11.580 a Millionaire

00:57:12.080 with Regis Philbin.

00:57:13.360 But once I got past

00:57:14.140 the initial surprise,

00:57:14.960 I found that the content

00:57:16.200 was quite interesting.

00:57:18.360 I imagine it's probably

00:57:19.380 the first time

00:57:20.040 that anything interesting

00:57:20.760 has ever happened

00:57:21.360 on the show,

00:57:21.940 and I'm glad that I was able

00:57:22.760 to witness this historic occasion.

00:57:24.360 In the video,

00:57:25.440 Khloe Kardashian talks about

00:57:26.540 her experience having a baby,

00:57:27.800 except that small detail.

00:57:29.380 She did not experience

00:57:30.280 having a baby.

00:57:31.000 Instead,

00:57:31.280 she rented out

00:57:31.900 another woman's womb

00:57:32.820 and she paid her

00:57:33.940 to have the baby.

00:57:35.280 Last year,

00:57:35.940 Khloe and her husband,

00:57:36.740 who of course

00:57:37.140 she is now divorced,

00:57:38.500 welcomed a new son

00:57:39.580 via surrogacy.

00:57:41.100 But as she shared

00:57:41.860 with her sister Kim,

00:57:42.840 who is also an experienced

00:57:43.980 womb renter,

00:57:45.200 she learned that

00:57:45.940 the process

00:57:46.460 is not all

00:57:47.340 it's cracked up to be.

00:57:48.640 Watch.

00:57:49.460 Yes.

00:57:50.120 Surrogate process,

00:57:51.280 Kim knows it's really

00:57:52.240 hard for me.

00:57:53.760 What does that mean?

00:57:54.520 She had a really hard time

00:57:55.860 accepting the whole process.

00:57:58.180 Oh, got it.

00:57:58.620 It's a mind f**k.

00:57:59.480 It's really the weirdest thing.

00:58:00.620 I do think that

00:58:01.820 there is a difference.

00:58:03.040 When the baby

00:58:03.700 is in your belly,

00:58:05.860 the baby

00:58:06.520 actually feels

00:58:08.280 your real heart.

00:58:09.460 Think about it.

00:58:10.300 Right.

00:58:10.460 It, like,

00:58:11.640 touches your organs.

00:58:12.740 Like,

00:58:13.680 it's,

00:58:14.340 there's no one else

00:58:15.480 on this planet

00:58:16.220 that will feel you

00:58:17.320 from the inside

00:58:18.240 like that,

00:58:18.800 like your heart,

00:58:19.660 you know?

00:58:20.440 I got so many good jokes.

00:58:22.040 And people can connect

00:58:24.100 in different ways.

00:58:25.240 People could not connect.

00:58:26.120 Do you feel less connected?

00:58:28.320 Mm-hmm.

00:58:29.620 That'll take a minute.

00:58:31.720 Yeah,

00:58:32.080 people say it'll take a minute.

00:58:32.620 I mean, listen,

00:58:33.360 the other was 10 months

00:58:35.060 of walking around.

00:58:35.820 Like, easy.

00:58:36.860 This is not easy.

00:58:38.140 I definitely, like,

00:58:38.900 buried my head in the sand

00:58:40.140 during that pregnancy

00:58:41.320 that I didn't digest

00:58:42.980 what was happening.

00:58:43.880 And so I think

00:58:44.620 when I went to the hospital,

00:58:45.920 I really think

00:58:46.860 that was the first time

00:58:47.800 that really registered.

00:58:49.260 And it has nothing

00:58:50.240 to do with the baby.

00:58:51.580 It's just,

00:58:52.460 you're like,

00:58:52.860 okay, we're having a baby.

00:58:54.280 And this is my son

00:58:55.600 and I'm taking him home with me.

00:58:57.460 I definitely was

00:58:58.340 in a state of shock,

00:58:59.600 I think,

00:59:00.240 from my entire experience

00:59:02.280 in general.

00:59:04.920 Go, go, go, go, go, go.

00:59:05.920 Don't stop.

00:59:06.520 Don't stop.

00:59:07.060 I felt really guilty

00:59:08.500 that, like,

00:59:08.980 this woman just had my baby

00:59:11.320 and you're just,

00:59:12.280 I take the baby

00:59:13.340 and then I go to another room

00:59:14.640 and you're sort of separated.

00:59:15.800 Like, I felt

00:59:16.800 it's such a transactional experience

00:59:19.740 because it's not about him.

00:59:24.580 I wish someone was honest

00:59:26.440 about surrogacy

00:59:27.340 and the difference of it,

00:59:30.420 but it doesn't mean

00:59:31.140 it's bad or good.

00:59:32.540 It's still great.

00:59:34.660 Yes, I was waiting

00:59:35.520 for that plot twist at the end.

00:59:37.060 Surrogacy is weird

00:59:37.920 and distant

00:59:38.460 and transactional

00:59:39.340 and I feel less connected

00:59:40.180 to my own child,

00:59:41.180 but it's still great.

00:59:42.980 This is maybe

00:59:43.620 the most morbidly fascinating

00:59:44.960 thing about that clip.

00:59:46.040 You can see in real time

00:59:47.200 as a typical modern progressive,

00:59:48.960 typical ideologically,

00:59:50.160 if not financially,

00:59:51.520 tries to wrestle

00:59:52.500 with a moral conundrum

00:59:53.700 while at the same time

00:59:54.480 lacking the moral framework

00:59:55.900 and language

00:59:56.560 to arrive at the proper conclusions.

00:59:58.640 Her worldview will not allow her

01:00:00.180 to connect the dots.

01:00:01.780 This thing feels bad

01:00:03.020 and seems bad

01:00:03.760 and has had a bad effect

01:00:04.700 on her and her family,

01:00:05.520 but it can't be bad

01:00:06.900 because it's a lifestyle choice

01:00:09.020 and no lifestyle choice

01:00:10.020 can be bad

01:00:10.680 because if this lifestyle choice

01:00:12.760 was bad,

01:00:13.260 then that means lifestyle choices

01:00:14.360 can be bad,

01:00:15.360 which opens up

01:00:16.080 a whole Pandora's box

01:00:17.400 that she is too terrified

01:00:18.980 to peek inside of.

01:00:20.800 It walks like a duck

01:00:21.980 and quacks like a duck,

01:00:22.880 but it can't really be a duck

01:00:24.040 because then she might find

01:00:25.380 that there are a whole lot

01:00:26.080 of other ducks out there

01:00:27.280 who wants to live

01:00:28.000 in a world

01:00:28.320 with so many ducks.

01:00:29.500 But before veering off

01:00:31.680 at the end

01:00:32.040 and bailing out

01:00:32.880 of the car

01:00:33.680 right before it made it

01:00:34.560 to the logical destination,

01:00:36.420 both Chloe and Kim

01:00:37.400 were making true

01:00:38.220 and important points.

01:00:39.360 Surrogacy feels transactional

01:00:41.060 because it is transactional.

01:00:44.140 You are paying someone else

01:00:45.800 to carry your child.

01:00:46.780 You rented out a womb

01:00:48.080 like it's an Airbnb.

01:00:50.000 You outsourced your pregnancy

01:00:51.940 like you're a cell phone company

01:00:53.660 opening a new call center.

01:00:55.420 You used another woman's body

01:00:57.000 as an incubator

01:00:57.880 for your child.

01:00:59.640 Yes, you paid her

01:01:00.400 for the service,

01:01:01.240 but as you found out,

01:01:02.060 the payment only makes

01:01:02.860 the thing worse,

01:01:04.000 if anything.

01:01:05.200 You did all of this

01:01:05.980 and why did you do all this?

01:01:07.420 Well, you did all this

01:01:08.060 for the sake of your vanity

01:01:09.140 and for convenience

01:01:10.420 and that's why you feel

01:01:12.340 those pangs of guilt

01:01:13.380 and shame.

01:01:15.000 This is the worst thing

01:01:16.000 about surrogacy.

01:01:16.780 It is transactional

01:01:17.760 and considering the nature

01:01:18.820 of the transaction,

01:01:20.200 it is therefore dehumanizing.

01:01:22.680 Dehumanizing for everybody involved,

01:01:23.940 for the surrogate,

01:01:24.600 for the child,

01:01:25.900 and for the mother

01:01:26.580 who stands off

01:01:27.260 at a distance.

01:01:28.740 So why do you feel

01:01:30.160 distant from your son?

01:01:31.440 Why are you struggling

01:01:32.080 to connect?

01:01:32.860 Well, because you put

01:01:33.760 a distance between yourself

01:01:35.700 and the child.

01:01:37.320 You didn't want to give

01:01:38.360 yourself to him.

01:01:39.300 You didn't want to love him

01:01:40.280 fully and sacrificially

01:01:41.460 and so you placed him

01:01:42.720 off at a distance.

01:01:43.800 You let another woman

01:01:44.540 do the hard part

01:01:45.280 thinking that you could swoop

01:01:46.260 in for the easy stuff,

01:01:47.500 but there's a cost

01:01:48.500 and it's a cost

01:01:49.880 much greater

01:01:50.620 than whatever fee

01:01:51.500 you paid

01:01:51.940 for the surrogacy service.

01:01:53.960 The cost is emotional

01:01:55.360 and spiritual

01:01:56.320 because it turns out

01:01:58.120 that women who carry

01:01:58.960 their children

01:01:59.480 and give birth to them

01:02:00.580 and love them fully

01:02:01.860 and completely

01:02:02.440 in that way,

01:02:04.100 they are sacrificing

01:02:05.200 quite a lot

01:02:05.880 but they receive

01:02:07.840 something in return.

01:02:08.860 It is not a one-way street.

01:02:10.640 They give of themselves

01:02:11.780 and what they receive

01:02:12.680 is that special bond,

01:02:14.240 that special love

01:02:15.360 that is known

01:02:16.300 only between a mother

01:02:17.500 and the child

01:02:18.100 that she delivers.

01:02:18.820 That isn't to say

01:02:21.040 that you can't love a child

01:02:22.080 unless you give birth to him.

01:02:23.360 I love all six of my children

01:02:24.600 and it may surprise you

01:02:25.560 to learn this

01:02:25.980 that I did not give birth

01:02:27.080 to any of them.

01:02:28.440 Adoptive parents also,

01:02:29.560 of course,

01:02:29.780 love their children too

01:02:30.620 but that love is unique

01:02:32.400 for each role, right?

01:02:34.040 And the love deepens

01:02:35.600 and increases

01:02:36.080 the more that you sacrifice

01:02:38.040 for and serve

01:02:39.440 the one that you love.

01:02:41.480 A father makes,

01:02:42.700 a good father anyway,

01:02:43.460 makes unique sacrifices

01:02:44.880 for his children,

01:02:46.220 serves his family

01:02:47.200 in unique ways

01:02:48.180 and experiences

01:02:49.880 a unique love.

01:02:51.740 Adoptive parents,

01:02:52.560 by seeking children

01:02:53.460 in need of parents

01:02:54.440 and choosing to adopt them,

01:02:55.760 also serve and sacrifice uniquely

01:02:57.380 and therefore also partake

01:02:58.980 in a unique sort of love

01:03:00.160 that people who have never adopted

01:03:01.760 will never experience.

01:03:04.240 Mothers like Chloe

01:03:05.280 who choose not to sacrifice,

01:03:07.620 who put a distance

01:03:08.640 between themselves

01:03:09.360 and their children intentionally

01:03:10.540 so that they can maintain

01:03:12.520 their figure

01:03:13.100 and not be burdened

01:03:14.120 or whatever,

01:03:15.260 have also made

01:03:16.680 a unique choice

01:03:17.300 but it's one

01:03:17.820 that makes that loving connection

01:03:19.400 more difficult to establish

01:03:20.800 because it's a choice

01:03:22.580 defined by its lack

01:03:24.160 of sacrifice,

01:03:24.960 by its selfishness.

01:03:27.080 It doesn't mean

01:03:27.720 that she can't love her son

01:03:28.760 or doesn't

01:03:29.280 or never will.

01:03:29.980 It simply means

01:03:30.540 exactly what Chloe says.

01:03:31.560 It's a struggle to connect.

01:03:33.380 She put her son off

01:03:34.200 at a distance

01:03:34.800 and now she feels

01:03:36.420 that distance.

01:03:38.540 The lesson

01:03:39.160 that she's learning here

01:03:39.940 hopefully

01:03:40.260 is that truly

01:03:41.920 there are no shortcuts

01:03:43.580 in life.

01:03:44.140 Not really.

01:03:45.480 Not when it comes

01:03:46.100 to the big

01:03:46.500 and important things.

01:03:47.840 You cannot skip

01:03:49.060 the hard part

01:03:49.940 and cut right

01:03:50.880 to the good stuff.

01:03:52.360 You can't do that

01:03:53.160 because the hard part

01:03:54.000 is what gives

01:03:54.640 the good stuff

01:03:55.280 its goodness.

01:03:56.660 Another way of saying this

01:03:57.340 is that there is no happiness

01:03:58.920 that isn't earned.

01:04:00.680 So you can pay

01:04:01.320 for all the luxuries

01:04:02.040 you want.

01:04:03.120 You can pay

01:04:03.720 for all the convenience.

01:04:05.020 You can take

01:04:06.040 all the pills you want.

01:04:06.900 You can defer

01:04:07.640 as much as you want

01:04:08.340 to modern technology.

01:04:10.140 You can get a lot

01:04:10.940 of convenience

01:04:11.520 out of that.

01:04:12.340 You can even get

01:04:13.840 comfort and satisfaction.

01:04:15.980 But love and happiness

01:04:17.180 the things that

01:04:17.900 the human heart

01:04:18.460 really desires

01:04:19.180 most deeply

01:04:19.840 those have to be earned.

01:04:21.380 I mean there's no way

01:04:22.080 around it.

01:04:23.740 There are shortcuts

01:04:24.560 that only seem like shortcuts.

01:04:26.000 In reality

01:04:26.460 they are detours

01:04:27.400 that take you

01:04:28.760 farther away

01:04:30.260 from the thing

01:04:30.780 that you want.

01:04:32.080 Farther from what

01:04:32.820 you really desire.

01:04:34.940 This is the lesson

01:04:35.780 that Chloe is learning today.

01:04:37.160 The lesson that

01:04:37.720 surrogacy has taught

01:04:38.720 many people

01:04:39.320 unfortunately the hard way.

01:04:40.440 And that is why

01:04:42.340 maybe not

01:04:43.600 Chloe Kardashian

01:04:44.240 who is learning

01:04:45.120 but at least

01:04:46.600 surrogacy

01:04:47.280 is today

01:04:48.200 cancelled.

01:04:49.900 And that will do it

01:04:50.320 for the show today

01:04:51.260 as we head into

01:04:53.200 the weekend

01:04:53.540 and there won't be

01:04:54.180 a show on Monday

01:04:54.860 I believe

01:04:55.120 because it's Memorial Day

01:04:55.820 so I'll talk to you

01:04:56.500 on Tuesday.

01:04:57.580 Have a great day.

01:04:58.580 Godspeed.

01:04:58.940 Have a great day.

01:05:12.000 Bye.

01:05:13.020 Bye.

01:05:13.180 Bye.

01:05:13.440 Bye.

01:05:13.800 Bye.

01:05:13.940 Bye.

01:05:15.720 Bye.

01:05:15.900 Bye.

01:05:15.940 Bye.

01:05:17.680 Bye.

01:05:18.140 Bye.

01:05:18.320 Bye.

01:05:18.960 Bye.

01:05:19.360 Bye.

01:05:20.500 Bye.

01:05:21.320 Bye.

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The Matt Walsh Show - May 26, 2023

Ep. 1171 - The Left Has Found Their New Frontier： Male Breastfeeding

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