The Matt Walsh Show - August 24, 2023


Ep. 1212 - A Lot Of Government Officials Should Be Going To Prison For The Hawaii Fires


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1 hour and 2 minutes

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183.55069

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11,532

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861

Misogynist Sentences

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Hate Speech Sentences

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Summary

Each new detail that comes out of Hawaii after the wildfires is more horrifying than the last. We now know that hundreds of people were prevented from fleeing the fire when local authorities barricaded the only road out of town. Only those who disobeyed and left anyway survived. Also, the first GOP primary debate happened last night, and I'll explain why it was effectively pointless. Plus, Jordan Peterson is instructed to intend a mandatory re-education program, and a new study reveals that a lot of damage can be done if you give hours of screen time to a baby. We'll talk about all that and more today on the Matt Walsh Show.


Transcript

00:00:00.160 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, each new detail that comes out of Hawaii after the wildfires
00:00:04.420 is more horrifying than the last. We now know that hundreds of people were prevented from
00:00:07.720 fleeing the fire when local authorities barricaded the only road out of town. Only those who
00:00:12.600 disobeyed and left anyway survived. We'll talk about that. Also, the first GOP primary
00:00:17.400 debate happened last night. I'll explain why it was effectively pointless, just like nearly
00:00:21.180 every other debate is effectively pointless. Plus, Jordan Peterson is instructed to intend
00:00:25.060 a mandatory re-education program, and a new study reveals that a lot of damage can be
00:00:30.240 done if you give hours of screen time to a baby, which raises the question, what kind
00:00:34.340 of parent would give their baby hours of screen time? Apparently, many of them do. We'll talk
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00:01:39.580 If we had a functioning news media, which we don't, there's a video that would be leading
00:01:45.600 every newscast right now. It has nothing to do with a plane crash in Russia, a GOP primary debate,
00:01:51.080 or even the indictment of every lawyer who's ever given Donald Trump legal advice, as important as
00:01:55.500 all those topics may be. But this video is about Americans, including children, who died horribly
00:02:01.500 this month. It's about how their deaths could have been prevented if their government was even
00:02:06.100 remotely competent. The footage I'm talking about is an interview with a survivor of the fires in
00:02:11.600 Maui. This interview was conducted not by CNN or NPR, but by a real estate agent who moonlights as a
00:02:18.140 citizen journalist. And he spoke with a man who goes by the name Fish, who survived the blaze in Lahaina.
00:02:24.480 And here's what that man saw. Listen.
00:02:28.200 And I went out, and I saw the fire, and he couldn't even see the gateway because it was covered with smoke.
00:02:36.100 And everyone's standing around just looking. And I said, I think we should get out of here because
00:02:42.380 of the speed of this wind. It could be here in two minutes. So I went around back to Front Street,
00:02:47.720 and all the cars were lined up, but none of them were moving. And I walked all the way from Safeway
00:02:53.580 to the Chart House. Not one car had moved. And I was wondering what was stopping the traffic.
00:03:00.240 Well, it was a policeman. And I got to the end, and I looked up north. There were no obstructions.
00:03:05.300 There was no reason to keep those cars there. Are you serious?
00:03:09.020 I'm serious. It was a heart attack. And I said, what are you doing? He goes, well,
00:03:13.320 I'm under orders to keep them here. And I said, the fire is right around Safeway. It's going to
00:03:19.160 hit Front Street. You know, these people got to get out of here. And he said, I'm following orders.
00:03:23.820 No way. And so I just kept walking. Maybe he knows something I don't, you know.
00:03:28.920 And I keep walking down the highway, and I look behind. No cars are coming out. I walked all the
00:03:35.660 way to Waikuli Beach. Still no cars coming out. And I started hearing boom, boom, boom. Then I heard
00:03:41.740 people screaming and stuff. You're saying they were blockaded in by the police at the end of Front
00:03:46.560 Street? Yeah. Like where that restaurant is. Where the Chart House was. Where the Chart House was,
00:03:51.300 I should say. There was a blockade there, and they could not go any. Safeway to there. Not one car
00:03:56.640 had moved. I mean, it's amazing. And we get that video from, well, it goes, hawaiirealestate.org
00:04:03.140 gives us that video with that information. He says, all the cars were lined up, but none of them
00:04:09.260 were moving. And I was wondering what was stopping the traffic. It was a policeman, a policeman sitting
00:04:15.120 there trapping all of these people in what is soon to be an inferno. And as incredible as that
00:04:22.700 account may seem, it's clear now that it's accurate. There are multiple witnesses saying
00:04:27.340 the same thing. The Associated Press reports that as residents of one West Maui neighborhood tried to
00:04:32.380 flee using the only paved road in town, quote, car after car was turned back toward the rapidly
00:04:37.140 spreading wildfire by a barricade blocking access to Highway 30. Turned back towards the fire.
00:04:45.120 Supposedly, authorities were worried about downed power lines, and there certainly were, we can
00:04:48.820 assume, plenty of downed power lines. But the problem is that the other option, rather than
00:04:53.140 navigating around that hazard, was to stay and die in the blaze. Seems obvious which was the better
00:05:01.380 choice, and yet police tried to force the residents to stay put. Many who listened and turned back,
00:05:07.260 you know, ended up burning to death in their cars, being literally cooked to death in their cars.
00:05:13.100 The most horrific death imaginable. Others were forced to jump over the seawall and tread water
00:05:19.220 while inhaling smoke. The people who obeyed the authorities ended up dead in many cases.
00:05:25.160 It's as simple as that. On the other hand, people who ignored the authorities fared a lot better.
00:05:30.540 Around 3 p.m., for example, a man named Nate Baird and his family tried to drive south out of town,
00:05:35.860 but found that the road was blocked by cones and crews who were, quote,
00:05:38.540 working on downed electric poles, according to the AP. And that's when Baird decided to ignore what
00:05:43.100 the work crews told him. He drove around the cones, and his family traveled for about an hour
00:05:46.960 until they reached safety. The article lists several other examples of people who are alive today
00:05:52.400 because they ignored barricades, they ignored the instructions from authorities, and they did what
00:05:57.680 they knew was the smartest thing. 138-year-old woman, Kim Cuevas Reyes, ignored authorities' instructions
00:06:04.080 to turn towards the local civic center, which became an ad hoc shelter for refugees. And instead
00:06:08.400 of doing that, the AP reported, quote, she takes a left, driving in the wrong lane to pass a stack
00:06:12.960 of cars heading in the other direction. That decision saved her life. Quote, the gridlock would
00:06:18.360 have left us there when the firestorm started, the woman said. Quote, I would have had to tell my
00:06:22.600 children to jump into the ocean as well and be boiled alive by the flames. Or it would have just
00:06:28.000 died from smoke and inhalation and roasted in the car. It wasn't until several hours later that
00:06:33.880 authorities announced that the road out of Lahaina was open for traffic. Several hours later, by that
00:06:38.720 point, indeed, many people on that road called Front Street had burned to death in their cars or died of
00:06:44.180 smoke and inhalation. Now, how is it possible that authorities blocked off one of the only usable routes
00:06:51.360 that would have brought them to safety during a wildfire? Given that officials in Hawaii were aware
00:06:58.160 of the risk of wildfire for a long time, that is an excellent question. Now, last summer in regulatory
00:07:04.620 filings, Hawaii Electric made it clear that the risk of deadly wildfires was real, especially during high
00:07:09.680 winds. And yet, apparently, the plan for dealing with this kind of disaster didn't preclude sealing
00:07:16.300 all the roads and trapping people in the middle of a wildfire. Now, if you think back to Hurricane
00:07:23.240 Katrina, as we made this comparison a few days ago, one of the biggest failures of FEMA back then was
00:07:29.880 a lack of planning. The government ran evacuation simulations but didn't implement the necessary
00:07:34.380 improvements after those simulations. So when the hurricane struck, there was chaos. A lot of people
00:07:39.220 died as a result. And we're seeing that exact same thing yet again. All these years later, the same
00:07:45.200 lack of preparation, preparation for hazards and catastrophes that are foreseeable, that's what's
00:07:55.500 causing people to die. The difference is that we aren't hearing much about FEMA in the aftermath of
00:08:01.140 the catastrophe in Maui. And why is that? It's a good question. Deanne Criswell is the administrator of
00:08:07.100 FEMA. She's the, and that's the Federal Emergency Management Agency. She had the same job that Michael
00:08:12.860 Brown did in 2005 when Hurricane Katrina made landfall in New Orleans. And Brown, you might
00:08:17.360 remember, became a household name in the wake of that disaster and not in a good way. When George
00:08:22.720 Bush told Brown that he was doing a heck of a job, it instantly became a national scandal. Brown was so
00:08:29.160 radioactive that no one was allowed to say anything nice about him. Unlike Michael Brown, though, Deanne
00:08:34.960 Criswell is not well known. You've probably never even heard her name. I didn't know it until I looked
00:08:39.980 it up. Despite the ongoing disaster in Maui, the national news media and the major political
00:08:45.340 parties in Washington still hold her somehow in high regard. Just the other day, she sat for a
00:08:51.380 friendly interview on Face the Nation. This is after the disaster and the bungled handling of that
00:08:56.840 disaster. But listen to how this interview went. Watch. FEMA director Deanne Criswell toured the damage
00:09:03.280 yesterday with local officials. Our Jonathan Vigliotti spoke with her after.
00:09:07.280 You were on the ground touring the disaster zone. What did you see and what struck you the most?
00:09:14.760 It's absolutely heartbreaking to just see an entire community that is no longer there. And I think one
00:09:23.600 of the things that was just really the most shocking, I guess I would say, is the row of cars of people
00:09:31.220 that were trying to drive and escape and then couldn't get out fast enough. And these are the ones that
00:09:36.900 ended up running or jumping into the water. And those cars just there. I mean, it was like a scene
00:09:42.360 from an apocalyptic movie. So the burned out cars were the most shocking thing, says the FEMA
00:09:46.680 director. It was like an apocalyptic movie. There's no scrutiny from Face the Nation or any media outlet
00:09:52.680 about why those cars were stranded there in the first place. There wasn't any question in that
00:09:58.920 segment about why FEMA didn't have evacuation plans that might have ensured the survival of all those
00:10:03.620 people. We learned yesterday that Hawaii's top emergency response officials were on another
00:10:08.660 island supposedly learning how to respond to wildfires on the day the blaze began in Maui.
00:10:14.000 And some key federal disaster officials were apparently busy at some FEMA meetings.
00:10:19.480 Well, what explains that? Again, we have no idea because no one is asking.
00:10:23.260 Reporters are busy talking to Deanne Criswell, the FEMA director, like she's some bystander visiting
00:10:28.400 Maui for the first time. This is the opposite of how the press treated Michael Brown decades ago.
00:10:34.360 It's not hard to see why this might be the case. Deanne Criswell, unlike Michael Brown,
00:10:38.540 is working for Democrats. She's also the first woman to run FEMA. So she has the whole identity
00:10:42.640 politics thing going. It would look very bad if the first woman to run FEMA is also responsible for
00:10:49.200 bungling the response to one of the worst disasters in American history. Of course, no matter how it looks,
00:10:55.800 that's exactly what happened. But the media has decided to plug its ears and close its eyes and
00:11:00.580 pretend it's not happening. But if you do what no major media outlet is interested in doing,
00:11:06.320 if you look into Criswell's past, there's a lot to discuss. As investigative journalist Nick Sartor
00:11:11.640 pointed out the other day, Criswell's government biography states that, quote, one of her most
00:11:15.640 significant accomplishments was leading the coordination of New York City's response to the
00:11:19.640 COVID-19 pandemic when she served as the commissioner of the New York City Emergency Management Department.
00:11:24.800 Now, New York's handling of COVID, you might remember, led to more than 10,000 deaths in
00:11:30.180 nursing homes. Deaths that were undercounted for several months until investigative reporters
00:11:35.500 noticed discrepancies in the government's data. These are also deaths that were totally avoidable.
00:11:42.160 But they made the decision in New York City to take people that they knew were infected with COVID
00:11:46.240 and put them in nursing homes, right in the middle of these places where you have the most
00:11:51.980 vulnerable populations. And 10,000 people at least died as a result. Now, in most countries,
00:12:02.560 everyone overseeing a response like that would never work again in any capacity, much less in disaster
00:12:07.520 relief. They'd go to prison for life, if anything. But Deanne Criswell was never even criticized.
00:12:14.840 In fact, she got a promotion. 10,000 deaths in nursing homes, and she got promoted.
00:12:22.380 And then overseeing yet another failed disaster response, she gets softball questions from every
00:12:26.920 news outlet, which is astonishing, really. We've seen our public health authorities and political
00:12:33.540 leaders lead us into one disaster after another, and they're not slowing down. Right now, because it's
00:12:39.360 an election year and Pfizer stock is in trouble, the media is, as it happens, is gearing up for COVID 2.0.
00:12:45.980 Several major corporations and some universities are already implementing
00:12:49.120 mask mandates again. They're gearing up to do the whole thing over again. Watch.
00:12:54.940 You're sick of hearing about COVID. So are we. The problem is, what is coming because of this new wave
00:13:02.900 of COVID that is really statistically meaningless? What's coming is really important, because as George
00:13:10.920 predicted, some people just can't let go of the emergency. More importantly, the emergency powers.
00:13:16.500 Lionsgate Entertainment out in Hollywood is back to masks and testing. We talked about colleges yesterday.
00:13:22.780 There are now 104 colleges in the U.S. still mandating COVID vaccines for students. Of course, faculty are
00:13:27.980 exempted. Some have indicated they will never let this go. All the while, they refuse to make sense of their
00:13:33.640 pseudoscience on the list. Rutgers, Harvard, and more. We can now add that Morris Brown College in
00:13:40.160 Atlanta and the Seattle government, who are never wrong, the government doctors didn't get a thing wrong
00:13:46.380 during COVID. They want mandatory face masks for health care workers. Now, along these lines, CNN just published
00:13:51.900 an article entitled, It May Be Time to Break Out the Masks Against COVID, Some Experts Say.
00:13:56.700 They're the experts again. The report scolds Americans for not being sufficiently deferential
00:14:02.640 to people with advanced degrees and positions of power. Quote, despite the concern among experts in
00:14:08.540 some institutions, Americans don't appear to be worried enough about the, don't appear to be worried
00:14:12.440 enough, they say, about the recent rise in cases to change their behavior. COVID-19 was at the bottom of
00:14:17.660 the list of key public health threats, according to the latest Axios poll. Now, it's not hard to see why
00:14:23.600 Americans are reacting that way. The first time around, more than three years ago,
00:14:27.140 the conventional wisdom was that if you wanted to survive, your best bet was to trust the experts.
00:14:31.760 And the experts embarrassed themselves and were revealed to be lying one after another.
00:14:36.580 You know, they said that you could protest for BLM and be safe, but you couldn't protest against
00:14:40.760 lockdowns. They admitted they were lying about herd immunity. They misled everyone on the effectiveness
00:14:45.880 of the COVID shot, on masks, on everything. Nobody really trusts these experts anymore for good reason.
00:14:51.740 That's encouraging, but the truth is, it's not enough. A lot of people just died in Maui because officials
00:14:58.180 forcibly blockaded them. The government and the experts prevented these American citizens from leaving
00:15:05.180 their neighborhood as a wildfire approached them. They burned to death because they were trapped there
00:15:10.700 by the authorities. The only way to survive was not simply to doubt, not simply to be skeptical,
00:15:20.360 but to actively disobey what you were being told by the authorities.
00:15:24.460 Now, when the next lockdown comes, whether the pretext is a COVID variant, a climate emergency,
00:15:30.080 or something else, that's going to be the correct response. Do what Nate Baird did in Maui.
00:15:36.740 Ignore the liars calling themselves experts. Do what you think is best for yourself and your family,
00:15:41.800 and do it fast. Otherwise, quicker than you might think, you'll be trapped. And by that point,
00:15:48.740 like the people of Maui, there will be no way out. Because the fact is that increasingly,
00:15:55.080 we live in a country where only those who disobey will survive. Now let's get to our five headlines.
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00:17:18.740 So I didn't start the show with the debate, and that's because I thought it would be better to
00:17:26.520 start the show with something that actually matters and the debate doesn't matter. And I'm
00:17:30.740 not just saying that to be contrarian or whatever. I'm not just saying that because I only watched
00:17:34.280 parts of the debate, not the whole thing, so I couldn't deliver a complete analysis of it if I
00:17:37.920 wanted to, though that is the case, I admit. But I'm saying it because it's true. It just is.
00:17:43.300 It's like this stuff, it really doesn't matter. It has almost no effect. Who won the debate?
00:17:50.780 Now there's the debate after the debate about who won it. Well, Vivek had some good moments.
00:17:55.940 DeSantis had some good moments. The others performed exactly as you'd expect.
00:17:59.580 I thought they all performed exactly as you would expect. And pretty much, you know,
00:18:05.080 I've noticed this pattern. Here's a really interesting pattern that I've noticed. Okay,
00:18:07.980 it's pretty fascinating. Fascinating coincidence. But what I've seen is just watching pundits and
00:18:13.200 people, the peanut gallery after the debate, it seems like if you liked Vivek Ramaswamy before the
00:18:21.240 debate, then you think you probably will think that he won it. And if you liked DeSantis before the
00:18:27.120 debate, then you'll probably think that he won it. And if you liked Mike Pence before the debate,
00:18:32.020 you'll think that he won it. So that's the relationship that I'm noticing. Most of the
00:18:37.440 people who think that Vivek won the debate are the ones who, going into it, liked him the most.
00:18:42.920 Pretty fascinating. Again, I mean, who could have seen that coming? The truth is that nobody had a
00:18:47.800 moment that will live in history and be remembered. Nobody had any one line or response that will be
00:18:54.060 quoted 10 years from now or even 10 seconds from now. Nobody imploded on stage either. You know,
00:18:59.840 nobody went down in flames. I mean, it is possible. I'm not saying that no debate has ever mattered.
00:19:04.160 It is possible for someone to have a debate performance that does have a major impact on
00:19:10.040 the political world and on their own political fortunes for good or ill. That does happen,
00:19:13.780 obviously. We can all think of examples. But it doesn't usually happen. And it didn't happen last
00:19:20.020 night. Everybody was fine. Everyone was fine. It was fine. It was all just, it was fine. C+.
00:19:27.800 Fox was not fine, though. Fox was pretty terrible, which is not unexpected. They were terrible with
00:19:34.860 topic selection. They were terrible with how they handled the debate. And I'll talk about that in a
00:19:39.160 moment. As for topic selection, they hit, for example, they hit climate change basically right
00:19:45.200 out of the gate. And this is maybe the one clip from last night that I'll play for you because it gives
00:19:49.880 you a good idea of where Fox is coming from. But here they are teeing up the climate change
00:19:55.280 conversation. Hawaii's governor and White House officials said that climate change amplified the
00:20:03.600 cost of human error. And a tropical storm hit California for the first time in 84 years.
00:20:10.440 The ocean hit 101 degrees off the coast of Florida. And in the last month, the heat wave in the
00:20:15.700 southwest broke records nearly 50 years old. So Alexander Diaz from Young America's Foundation
00:20:22.060 has a question for you all. Polls consistently show that young people's number one issue is climate
00:20:27.520 change. How will you, as both president of the United States and leader of the Republican Party,
00:20:32.320 calm their fears that the Republican Party doesn't care about climate change?
00:20:35.760 So we want to start on this with a show of hands. Do you believe in human behavior is causing
00:20:43.920 climate change? Raise your hand if you do. Look, we're not schoolchildren. Let's have the debate.
00:20:48.460 I mean, I'm happy to take it to start. By the way, first time in 84. So a tropical storm hit
00:20:53.520 California first time in 84 years. So you're saying it happened 84 years ago. So you're saying this is
00:20:58.860 the kind of thing that does happen. It's rare, but it happens. But rare things happen. They just don't
00:21:05.480 happen often. And so when a rare thing happens, it doesn't mean that some unprecedented of it,
00:21:10.080 it's not unprecedented. It's rare by definition. That means it's not unprecedented. What caused it
00:21:14.660 84 years ago? If climate change is causing it now, if human man-made climate change is causing
00:21:22.780 the tropical storm now, what caused it 84 years ago? And if you're going to tell me, well,
00:21:29.840 well, so something else 84 years ago, well, then couldn't it be that something else now?
00:21:33.900 So there's no difference between how Fox handled this debate and how MSNBC would have handled it.
00:21:38.160 They talked about climate change. They talked about January 6th. They talked about Ukraine.
00:21:42.680 They talked about Trump. They probably talked about Trump. I don't know. I haven't seen the
00:21:46.800 breakdown of how much time was spent on each topic, but Trump as a topic will be certainly in the top
00:21:51.700 three in terms of the amount of time spent on it. And that was most of it. Exactly the kind of topic
00:21:59.000 selection MSNBC would have went with. No difference. And by the way, Fox did not ask any questions
00:22:06.780 about child mutilation or gender ideology, which that's the biggest cultural issue in the country
00:22:13.300 for multiple years now is that, and there wasn't one single question about it.
00:22:19.980 And I brought this up on Twitter and one, and someone said, well, there's no reason to ask
00:22:24.420 because we already know what their answers are, but they all agree. First of all, if we're,
00:22:29.000 if we aren't asking questions, if we're going to decide in the debate that we're not going to ask
00:22:33.080 any question that we already know the answer to, that we would just ask no questions at all,
00:22:36.340 because we know, we know what they're going to say to all of these things, but they don't all
00:22:40.180 agree. In fact, there's a person on that stage, Asa Hutchinson, who vetoed a bill banning child
00:22:46.240 mutilation. So they don't all agree. You have a, you have a governor who, who has banned child
00:22:52.320 mutilation and another one who vetoed the ban of it. So there's a real, let's have a discussion about
00:22:56.620 that. No time for that. We got to talk about climate change and other stuff. Um, and this
00:23:03.420 thing about climate change being the number one issue for young people is BS. Obviously
00:23:07.600 climate change is not, I'm sorry. I don't care. Even if someone tells me that climate change is
00:23:13.060 their number one issue, it's not, I don't believe you. If you try to tell me that I just don't
00:23:17.640 believe you. I don't, I don't believe the polls. That's the kind of answer people give because they
00:23:21.860 think they're supposed, when someone comes to you, especially if you're younger and you're not,
00:23:25.960 you're not clued in, you don't know what's going on in the world. And someone's surveyor comes to
00:23:30.560 you and says, what are the top issues to you? And then you say, oh, climate change.
00:23:37.380 Because it sounds socially conscious. It sounds like the kind of thing you're supposed, it's a
00:23:40.120 safe thing. It's a safe thing to say. Um, it's the kind of answer you give on a survey because you
00:23:45.680 think it's the answer you're supposed to give, but nobody is waking up in the morning worried about
00:23:50.680 climate change. Um, people don't even like talk about it in real life.
00:23:57.120 I did like to sense his response there, the way he began his response, um, objecting to the way
00:24:02.980 the question was even framed. What is this? Raise your hand stuff. They did that multiple times last
00:24:07.940 night. Raise your hand. If this is what my kids do at the dinner table, this is what they do when
00:24:14.040 they're all sitting around. Raise your hand. If you think vanilla is the best ice cream flavor,
00:24:18.080 this is what kids like to do. This is a, these are adults. Allegedly, this is a presidential race.
00:24:25.220 Can we actually talk about it and have a, what do you mean raise your hand?
00:24:29.800 Especially when it comes to an issue like this, when you can't really give your take
00:24:34.540 with a simple hand raise, not every question is yes or no.
00:24:40.840 And that was my biggest problem with the debate. And, uh, and it's, it's my problem with how basically
00:24:45.900 every presidential debate is run, especially in the primaries. I just, I hate it. I hate it.
00:24:53.100 I think they do it completely wrong. I hate the way we approach debates.
00:24:58.060 Um, because the thing is they did cover some topics that matter. They talk about,
00:25:02.380 they talked about the border. They talked about crime. They talked about abortion. These are topics
00:25:06.220 that matter, but even there, it was basically pointless because you have eight people on the stage
00:25:12.660 and they have 90 seconds or 45 seconds or even 30 seconds in some cases to give an answer.
00:25:20.400 Okay. How ridiculous is that in a, in a political debate when we're trying to figure out who should
00:25:27.000 be president? You throw a question out and you have 30 seconds, 30 seconds. What can you say in 30
00:25:34.880 seconds? And then of course, as it always goes in these debates, if they actually start arguing,
00:25:41.300 right? If they, if they, you know, if they, if they debate during the debate, the moderators jump
00:25:46.540 in to shut it down. Hey, hey, hey, hey, stop that. Like wait is no, there's not going to be any
00:25:52.280 debating, sir, sir. There will be no debating in this debate. Those are the rules. Stop. Nope. Stop
00:25:58.860 debating. This is a debate, not a debate. Stop debating. Be civil, which means, what does that mean?
00:26:06.520 It means, it means go back to giving your canned 30 second sound bites and they're all canned. Okay.
00:26:12.760 I know the knock on someone like DeSantis, again, it's mostly from people that decided ahead of time,
00:26:17.100 they weren't going to like his performance, no matter what he did. But, but still Zua,
00:26:21.200 his responses are canned. They're all canned. What do you think they're doing up there? Are you that
00:26:25.940 stupid that you think that there's anyone on the stage, not giving a canned response? You don't
00:26:31.700 think they all sat there and rehearsed it and they're giving rehearsed responses. Maybe some
00:26:36.340 of them are better at not sounding rehearsed, but they're all rehearsed and canned, all of them every
00:26:40.360 time. You know why? Because nobody can say anything worthwhile in 30 seconds. You can't flesh out your
00:26:47.620 views. You can't explain your position. You can't do anything but give a canned response. I don't even
00:26:52.780 blame them for giving canned responses. You have to. What else are you going to do?
00:26:56.840 You know, if someone says, what do you think about crime? You have 30 seconds. Go.
00:27:03.840 If you don't have a canned response for that, you're not going to, you won't be able to say
00:27:07.060 anything. You won't, you're going to say, oh, what do I think about it? Let me think. You know,
00:27:11.260 that's what normal people do. Unless you have a canned response and you can, and you could pull
00:27:15.700 into your bag of canned response. Oh, I got a 30 second for that. I mean, these people, they all have,
00:27:20.820 they have a 30 second canned response for each topic. They have 45 seconds. They have 90 seconds.
00:27:25.040 They might have a two minute. And depending on the forum, if it's a debate, then they go,
00:27:29.780 you know, if they go into cable news, can any of them talk about any of these topics for more
00:27:35.140 than 120 seconds at a maximum? Can any of them flesh out their views for like, let's say five
00:27:39.700 minutes at a time? I don't know. We have, we've rarely seen it. And so when we talk about who won the
00:27:48.260 debate, what do you mean by win? Okay. The person who wins, if anyone wins,
00:27:53.380 it's because they were the best at saying snappy, clever things in 30 seconds, which great.
00:27:59.040 Okay. That's great. But what does that mean? What does that tell us about them?
00:28:03.940 So what? So let's say that someone's the best, someone has the best, you know,
00:28:08.520 debate performance in the world. It's the best thing you've ever seen. The best debate performance.
00:28:11.600 All that means is that they are very, very, very good at saying clever things in 30 seconds that
00:28:17.800 they've rehearsed ahead of time, but, but they don't sound rehearsed, which again, I mean, that is a
00:28:22.080 real skill. I give you, I gave you a lot of props for that. It means you'd be a great cable news
00:28:26.180 contributor, but does it mean you'd be a great president? What is the carry over here? You might
00:28:33.020 as well just have them go out and do a, you know, a three-legged race, put them in potato sacks and do
00:28:40.360 a, you know, a relay race. That'd be more entertaining at least. Have them do a push-up
00:28:46.140 contest on stage. It's more entertaining. It's, it would be just as irrelevant, probably less
00:28:52.120 irrelevant, actually. At least that would tell us a little bit about their physical fitness in
00:28:54.480 office, because this tells us nothing. The way they handle it tells us nothing about them. It tells
00:28:58.820 us nothing about how, how they would be as president. And I hate it. I don't know if I've
00:29:03.740 mentioned that I hate it, but I really do. And then you have the live audience there.
00:29:09.940 What is the live audience doing in there? Like, why does no one question this? Why do you have a
00:29:13.160 live, why do we need a live? Yeah, the debate should be live. It should be broadcast live. But why do you
00:29:17.960 need an audience in the room? What does that do? What would get, what difference does that, this is
00:29:23.200 supposed to be a conversation about serious issues. Why do we need trained seals clapping in the
00:29:27.160 background? All that means is that someone can say something really ordinary and, and it will sound
00:29:33.540 epic if they get the applause, right? So they can say, oh yeah, well, I think you're wrong about that.
00:29:40.600 And then the crowd goes, oh yeah. And then later on the pundits will talk about how that was a great
00:29:46.860 moment. You know, I thought that was a great line. Uh, you know, when the candidate said, uh, that the
00:29:51.480 other one was wrong about that crowd reaction was great. It was a great moment. It was a defining
00:29:55.020 moment for him. That's going to change everything. So here's how the debate should go. Okay. I'm not
00:30:00.280 just criticizing without having a solution. Here's what you do. Primaries. You let three or four people
00:30:06.820 into the debate. Not any more than that. I mean, there were people who were complaining that there
00:30:11.260 weren't enough people in there. People complaining that, oh, well, Larry Elder, someone else should
00:30:14.980 have. But you thought there should be more people on the stage? That's what you think? That's how we
00:30:18.720 improve this? No, there should be three or four people. You take the top three or four people.
00:30:23.140 We don't need the guys that no one's heard of. We don't need the governor of North Dakota.
00:30:28.320 10 people live in that state. Half of them have never heard of their, of their governor. The rest
00:30:32.700 of us have no idea. Okay. I mean, I could announce for president tomorrow and I would pull higher than
00:30:39.060 the governor of North Dakota. Not much higher, but I would pull higher, like guaranteed. So he's
00:30:44.560 irrelevant. We don't need him in there. Uh, we don't need, we don't need Asa Hutchinson in there.
00:30:48.360 What, what, what, who's voting for Asa Hutchinson? What audience, what, what is Asa Hutchinson's base?
00:30:55.280 If you talk to one person in your life and you ask him who's, you know, what's the politician
00:30:59.400 you support? And they say Asa Hutchinson. What do we need Chris Christie for? He's not a serious
00:31:04.840 candidate either. So just give up the, the, the three or four top guys, put them in a room,
00:31:10.680 nobody in the audience. You give them topics and you let them argue about the topics. That's all.
00:31:18.340 That's all the moderator should do. That's how you moderate a debate. You say, okay, candidates,
00:31:22.680 your first topic is the border. Then maybe give them each three minutes for opening statements,
00:31:28.700 just to kind of lay out opening statement. And then you say, okay, go 45 minutes, talk about it.
00:31:36.480 And then you sit back and you just let them talk. That's it. You just let them have a conversation
00:31:40.980 like normal human beings do. So we can actually hear them flesh it out here, how they defend their,
00:31:45.400 their point here. Here, here, let it, can we let it play out a little bit?
00:31:52.340 Presidential debate between two people, even more so,
00:31:54.340 you know, you have the two pres, two presidential candidates. You should have,
00:31:59.720 you know, it's a two, two and a half hour, two, two and a half hour debate. You have maybe five or
00:32:04.140 six topics, maybe at most. And you just, you throw out the topic, they get 30, 45 minutes,
00:32:10.820 20 minutes at a minimum. And you just let them talk about it. You don't need to jump in. Sir,
00:32:16.800 stop being mean. You're being mean to him. You're interrupted. It's a little bit to it. Be nice.
00:32:20.520 Please. And thank you. We don't need that. Why do we need that?
00:32:25.480 It's all wrong. All this stuff is so incredibly ridiculous and insulting.
00:32:28.120 And, uh, I talked about it for 15 minutes anyway, but what can I do? Um, okay, moving on.
00:32:38.420 Daily Wire has this report. A Canadian court has, uh, upheld the sanctioning of Dr. Jordan
00:32:43.440 Peterson by a psychologist governing body that has targeted Peterson for criticizing transgender
00:32:49.100 ideology, climate alarmism, and the Canadian government. The College of Psychologists of
00:32:54.040 Ontario, which has embraced radical gender theory in recent years, has threatened to remove
00:32:58.500 Peterson's clinical psychology license over his social media activity if he did not go through
00:33:03.040 a so-called specified continuing education or remedial program, otherwise known as a re-education
00:33:08.840 program. So they want Jordan Peterson in their re-education program, which really, I mean,
00:33:15.460 they know not what they ask. Um, I don't, do you, if you're running, not that I feel sorry for the
00:33:21.540 people, but if you're running one of these re-education programs, do you want Jordan
00:33:25.500 Peterson in your class? I like the idea. I'd love to see what that looks like, but I don't
00:33:33.420 think the people running, no one, I don't know where they find the, the, the, the, the instructors
00:33:38.000 for these re-education sessions, but, um, that's the short straw is getting the class with Jordan
00:33:43.860 Peterson sitting there. On Wednesday, Ontario Superior Court of Justice ordered Peterson to pay
00:33:48.880 $25,000 to the College of Psychologists and upheld the order that he go through a social
00:33:53.740 media education program. The organization is not punishing Peterson for any interactions with
00:33:58.960 patients, rather it is censoring, uh, fining and attempting to re-educate him for public comments
00:34:04.100 he made, including on social media and during podcast appearances. Peterson responded by blasting
00:34:09.500 the court and vowing to make every aspect of the case go public. Quote, so the Ontario Court of
00:34:14.620 Appeal ruled that, uh, the College of Psychologists on Ontario can pursue their, their, uh, prosecution.
00:34:20.440 He said prosecution, it's also persecution. That's my editorial editorialization. If you think that you
00:34:26.460 have a right to free speech in Canada, you're delusional. I will make every aspect of this public
00:34:31.140 and we will see what happens when utter transparency is the rule. Bring it on. And this all stems. Yeah.
00:34:37.380 I mean, as other comments he's made on social media, they mentioned climate alarmism or his
00:34:41.500 criticism of climate alarm alarmism, but, but really, uh, it all comes back down to gender.
00:34:48.560 That's where it all started. And that's what it, that's what it, that's what this is all about for
00:34:53.960 them. I think if Jordan Peterson, all the other issues, I mean, if Jordan Peterson were just to come
00:34:58.920 out and simply say, if you were to just to simply renounce basic reality and say, you know, I thought
00:35:08.880 about it and, uh, actually women can have penises. If he were to say that, they'd leave him alone
00:35:12.340 completely, but he won't say that, uh, much, much to his credit. And so now they want to force him
00:35:18.940 into this re-education program. Um, you know, when people look at a case like this, they tend to see
00:35:27.400 it as a, this is all about free speech. And it is, I mean, it is about free speech. Um, and that's one
00:35:34.020 of the reasons why it should worry us greatly, uh, is that this is the, I mean, blatant suppression
00:35:40.120 of free speech. And yes, it's happening in Canada. But if you think that this isn't coming here,
00:35:45.740 then you just haven't been paying attention. I mean, it's already here to some extent,
00:35:50.980 but all of this, everything that's happening in Canada right now, when it comes to speech,
00:35:56.340 when it comes to everything, when it comes to, you know, euthanasia becoming one of their leading
00:35:59.700 causes of death, all the rest, it's all coming. And we know that because the groundwork is laid.
00:36:05.760 You know, the precedents have been set. And, uh, as I always say, you know, the, the analogy for me
00:36:11.000 is like there, we're on the same, we're on the same train track on the same train going over the
00:36:17.520 same ledge. It's just that they are a few train cars up. So they're going to go over the ledge before
00:36:22.100 us, but I mean, we are attached to them. So we're going next. Unless some kind of radical severing
00:36:29.020 happens in the meantime, it's the only way to save it. Um, and so this same thing is happening here
00:36:35.840 on, on, on the same pretense because it's all, you know, this all goes back to the idea of hate
00:36:42.980 speech, the idea of, uh, that we have to affirm gender confused people. We have to affirm them in
00:36:49.640 their confusion. And if we don't do that, it's an act of violence. It's a hate crime. We are, we are,
00:36:56.040 we are actively causing their deaths just by not affirming whatever delusional thing they think or
00:37:05.220 say. And if that was true, like if it, if it was, if it was somehow true, you know, they say speech
00:37:16.300 is violence. When you say something, you're, you're, you're killing someone. Well, if you accept
00:37:22.100 that, then the rest follows logically from there. So that's happening here, but this is also, we always
00:37:31.820 have to emphasize, yes, it's free speech, but it's not just that. Okay. Free speech is the suppression
00:37:38.640 of speech. It's the suppression of open, open, uh, expression of ideas, trying to rig the debate so
00:37:48.940 that only one side can be heard. And it is that, but it's worse than that because we always have to
00:37:54.180 remember that they're not just suppressing any speech. They are suppressing true speech. They are
00:38:01.220 suppressing what is true. So I would like to get to the point where we, we, we really stopped calling
00:38:06.660 it speech suppression and we call it truth suppression because that's what it is.
00:38:14.260 You know, I'm against the infringement of free speech in general, but this is the worst kind
00:38:19.140 because they're infringing on true speech.
00:38:25.020 And when we get to a point where people are not allowed to say true things about some of the most
00:38:30.340 basic facts of reality, that's the, uh, that's the end of civilization.
00:38:36.820 The other takeaway from this, putting all the speech issues aside is that you see here why I am
00:38:42.840 so critical of the, uh, we talked about this backstage last night. It's why I'm so critical of
00:38:47.920 the psychology industry and psychologists, therapists, counselors, psychiatrists, all of it.
00:38:53.680 I'm so critical of it. So skeptical of it. I warn people about it so often. You've been very careful
00:39:01.980 before you go consult a psychologist about anything, especially when you're in a vulnerable
00:39:07.100 state, you're feeling desperate. That's when you got to be the most careful because this is what that
00:39:12.400 industry has become where Jordan Peterson, because he simply believes in reality is being run out.
00:39:21.220 Um, and he, by his fellow psychologists, they're the ones who are coming out against them. They're
00:39:30.720 the ones who are coordinating this attack. The entire industry has been ideologically captured.
00:39:36.260 It's been that way for a long time. And this is what happens to the few stragglers who refuse to go
00:39:42.260 along. The fact is that most people in the industry, they don't have the guts to endure this kind of
00:39:50.720 persecution. And so they, uh, they, they, they, they, they just go along with it.
00:39:57.820 You know, they, they somehow convince themselves that the gender affirmative model is actually okay.
00:40:03.040 They find a way to convince themselves so they can live with themselves and so that they can,
00:40:06.180 so they can go to sleep at night and look at themselves in the mirror,
00:40:08.280 you know, without breaking down in tears of shame. That's what they do.
00:40:12.340 I think a lot of these people in this industry, they've brainwashed to themselves
00:40:17.840 because they have to convince that. I mean, deep down, they know that it's not true.
00:40:23.160 They know that when a eight-year-old boy comes to them saying, I'm really a girl,
00:40:27.820 they know that of course he's not actually a girl. Of course he's confused. Of course,
00:40:31.720 this is a confusion that we could really easily alleviate. And they know all that deep down,
00:40:37.580 but they, but if they say it, they're going to get the Jordan Peterson treatment. They're too afraid
00:40:41.000 for that. And so they have, uh, but they can't admit to themselves that they're going along with
00:40:45.640 this insidious, toxic, dangerous, uh, vile lie that really is getting people killed and destroying
00:40:52.440 lives and destroying children. They can't admit that to themselves. And so they, they, they find a
00:40:56.440 way to convince themselves. It's like this self-brainwashing process. And they go and pass that
00:41:02.580 brainwashing onto, uh, to their patients. All right. I also wanted to play this briefly.
00:41:08.220 Good morning. Britain has a report on the UK's first successful womb transplant. Let's watch
00:41:14.120 a little bit of this. This is going to change so many lives. It is. You couldn't have families
00:41:19.100 before. Amir, should we, should we come to you? Cause I know you are desperate to, uh,
00:41:24.120 wave the flag of celebration of your colleagues. Um, just put into context, you know, the, the
00:41:30.620 extraordinary endeavor involved here on behalf of the medical profession and what it'll mean.
00:41:37.360 Oh, morning. It'll be so much to so many, uh, couples and women, uh, and the efforts that went
00:41:43.620 into that reading about the research that the surgeons did 25 years of research before doing
00:41:49.240 this kind of procedure, all those people in that theater, uh, giving up their time for free
00:41:55.140 and the outcome for this lady and her partner. I think it's really hard to understand the impact
00:42:01.440 of infertility, uh, when you're a woman, unless you go through it yourself, that idea of carrying
00:42:07.220 your own child, giving birth to your own biological child, unless that opportunity has been taken away
00:42:12.760 from you, you don't really get that impact. Uh, and for women who have had their wombs removed
00:42:17.720 through things like cancer or trauma or through birth defects, such as this lady had, uh, this will mean
00:42:23.820 everything. It's a chance. It's a, it's hope for the future. The, the donor in this case, as we've
00:42:29.040 said, was this, this, this lady's older sister, um, who've, who's had her family. So she was happy
00:42:33.680 to give up her womb and extraordinary thing to do. She's very well, apparently the operation to remove
00:42:37.680 it went, went perfectly. Um, but can I ask the obvious question? If a, if a, if a young woman,
00:42:42.680 uh, is assigned the donor register and is prepared to give up her organs after death, could you take a
00:42:48.520 womb from somebody, say a young woman who say tragically had been killed in a car crash?
00:42:52.260 Yes, you, you could. And it is tragic in those situations, but this is the hope that those
00:42:58.680 situations do give to, to other people. And I think womb transplant UK, the charity that paid for
00:43:04.080 this has said they've got some money for further transplants, including those from people who have
00:43:10.360 sadly died or who are brain dead. So yes, that, that is still an opportunity for women who want
00:43:16.100 children. So, uh, this is like the cutting edge of science and medicine right now. Womb transplants
00:43:21.840 is the first one in the UK. Uh, there have been some in the United States. It's really a handful
00:43:26.760 at this point. It's very, very new. And it's generally treated by almost everyone as a, uh,
00:43:34.360 as a great development, uh, just sort of straightforward, wonderful thing. Who could
00:43:39.320 have a problem with it? Well, when it comes to, uh, having a reason to, to, you know, finding reason
00:43:45.200 to have a problem with something, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm usually your guy for that. And I do have a
00:43:48.500 problem with this and I don't have to search that hard for this. I think this is actually really
00:43:51.560 quite bad. Uh, the womb transplant thing. And I, and I give you two reasons. I mean, the first one
00:43:56.480 is that absolutely without a doubt, uh, they will, now that they're doing womb transplants,
00:44:07.940 they will start doing it for men, for men who want to be women who pretend that they are women.
00:44:12.480 Um, absolutely. That is going to happen. And there's no question about it. And there's just
00:44:18.160 no way of avoiding it. You know, you have womb transplants. And once we accept that, then
00:44:23.660 it'll happen and they're going to do it and they're going to try. Um, and it'll be a disaster,
00:44:28.140 but they're, they're going to do it. So that's where this, this, that's where this heads, uh,
00:44:32.760 immediately. That's where it heads. So that's one problem. The other problem is just the,
00:44:39.400 you know, the risk. Okay. You, you do a, a organ transplant was a very risky procedure.
00:44:49.180 And if you want to take on that risk for yourself, then that's your prerogative.
00:44:54.840 But given the organ that we're transplanting here, ultimately it's not just going to be your risk.
00:45:02.360 Okay. It's also the risk of the child
00:45:04.520 who will eventually be in the, uh, in the, the transplanted womb.
00:45:11.280 And we simply don't have, there's not enough, uh, experience with this to say how safe that
00:45:17.960 really is for the children. We don't, there's no way to really know for sure. You can speculate,
00:45:24.060 you can look at, uh, you know, you can take a small sample size and try to extrapolate from that.
00:45:28.040 Um, but it's a, it's a risk that's be, that, that will, is passed down to the children who
00:45:35.260 eventually are going to be in these transplanted wombs. Um, and how many are going to die because
00:45:43.340 of complications based on the fact that it was a womb transplant. That's the real ethical dilemma
00:45:49.760 here. That's like, no one is talking about, or even acknowledging that I've seen
00:45:53.360 that there, there is a risk involved with the child. And, but that is a person. I don't know.
00:46:02.820 A big part of the problem here is that legally they're not acknowledged as people, but they are.
00:46:06.920 That is a person who is in, who is, uh, uh, taking on this risk without consent.
00:46:13.540 Uh, and so that's what I'm worried about when I see this, you know, and the truth is, and look,
00:46:20.920 infertility is a very, very difficult thing to deal with. Um, but there are children, there are many
00:46:28.040 children out there who do need to be adopted. And so, uh, maybe that's an option that should really
00:46:40.160 be explored. If you're in a position like this, there are a lot of children in need of adoption.
00:46:47.280 And you don't, you're not, you're not, uh, and in that case, you're not taking on a risk
00:46:50.800 on behalf of that child, but rather you're saving that child and bringing them into your home.
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00:48:20.260 in prison until DNA evidence cleared his name. The Two Rivers man was convicted of sexual assault
00:48:25.060 in 1985, but exonerated with DNA evidence in 2003. So this is the infamous Avery lot?
00:48:33.660 Now, two years later, he again finds himself tied to a police investigation. Accused of murdering
00:48:40.140 Teresa Hallbuck on the Avery property. Stephen Avery's 16-year-old nephew admitted his involvement
00:48:45.360 in the rape and murder of Teresa Hallbuck. The car is discovered just around the bend.
00:48:51.940 It was just this worldwide phenomenon. I think they framed this guy.
00:48:55.480 I think he intended to crush the vehicle, but ran out of time. Avery thinks the $36 million
00:49:00.600 lawsuit he filed is why he's being targeted in this investigation.
00:49:04.100 Netflix made millions of dollars from Making a Murderer, but the filmmakers left out very
00:49:16.640 important details. Mountains of evidence that you have not yet seen. The blood vial.
00:49:21.540 The most egregious manipulation from the movie.
00:49:24.600 Interrogations.
00:49:25.240 That's when he started beating me because I told him that he's sick.
00:49:28.780 Cell phones.
00:49:29.400 And I saw melted plastic parts of a cell phone.
00:49:32.160 Interviews.
00:49:32.640 Her arms were pinned behind her head.
00:49:34.200 They made Stephen Avery look like a victim.
00:49:36.320 You believe your brother's guilty?
00:49:38.540 I don't know if I'm a suspect. I got on the eye.
00:49:45.840 I'm getting sick and tired of media deception.
00:49:49.500 Evidence piling up.
00:49:50.800 Why would they omit so many different things?
00:49:52.760 Why are you editing my testimony?
00:49:54.680 I am not going to make the same mistake that the filmmakers did.
00:50:01.940 Rearranging the testimony.
00:50:04.140 They delete a portion of it at the end.
00:50:06.500 How could they claim to care about the truth?
00:50:08.540 They all know that Stephen Avery committed this crime.
00:50:14.080 911, what is your emergency?
00:50:16.880 The evidence forces me to conclude that you are the most dangerous individual ever to set
00:50:22.440 foot in this courtroom.
00:50:23.320 Well, to get the rest of the story, you have to watch Convicting a Murderer coming to you
00:50:29.520 early September.
00:50:30.740 This 10-part series is exclusive to Daily Wire Plus, so you have to join now to watch it
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00:50:42.180 Trust me, you don't want to miss it.
00:50:43.800 Now let's get to our daily cancellation.
00:50:44.860 I've spent plenty of time on this show explaining my problem with studies, and there's nothing
00:50:53.760 wrong in principle with the idea of conducting a study.
00:50:55.700 Doing a study just means that you're studying something.
00:50:57.340 I'm not opposed to that.
00:50:58.080 The problem, as I've argued, is that so many studies use shoddy methodology in order to
00:51:01.920 arrive at a predetermined conclusion.
00:51:03.240 And then those same studies are used as ammunition in political arguments by people who haven't
00:51:07.360 read them.
00:51:08.140 But on the other end of the spectrum are studies that are entirely valid and reach legitimate
00:51:12.960 conclusions by following the scientific process, and yet are still a waste of time because
00:51:17.220 they prove something that everyone should already know intuitively without any scientific
00:51:20.840 study telling them.
00:51:21.680 You have studies that come to fake conclusions, and then you have studies that come to foregone
00:51:26.440 conclusions, self-evident conclusions.
00:51:28.680 This week, the media is reporting on one that falls very much into that latter category,
00:51:32.620 or at least I would have hoped that it falls into the latter category.
00:51:35.740 I would like to believe that everyone already knows this and doesn't need any scientific research
00:51:39.860 to tell them, but maybe perhaps it turns out I'm wrong.
00:51:43.400 CNN reports, quote, handing your baby a phone or tablet to play with may seem like a harmless
00:51:47.860 solution when you're busy, but it could quickly affect their development.
00:51:51.000 A new study has found.
00:51:53.340 Now, it's a brief sidebar here.
00:51:54.540 I guess my initial theory has already taken a hit.
00:51:56.820 The optimistic part of me, a part that is growing smaller and smaller by the day, would
00:52:00.860 have liked to think that every parent understands that getting your baby hooked on a tablet
00:52:07.780 is most certainly not a harmless solution, nor is it a healthy way to deal with the busyness
00:52:12.760 of life.
00:52:14.060 But that's not the impression you get from the first sentence of this article.
00:52:17.460 And reading on, quote,
00:52:18.220 Having anywhere from one to four hours of screen time per day at age one is linked with higher
00:52:24.320 risks of developmental delays in communication, fine motor, problem solving, and personal
00:52:28.920 and social skills by age two, according to a study of 7,097 children published Monday in
00:52:34.240 the journal JAMA Pediatrics.
00:52:36.380 Quote,
00:52:36.560 It's a really important study because it has a very large sample size of children who've
00:52:40.020 been followed by for several years, said Dr. Jason Nagata, associate professor of pediatrics
00:52:45.260 at the University of California, San Francisco, who was not involved in the study.
00:52:48.680 Quote,
00:52:48.860 The study fills an important gap because it identifies specific developmental delays in
00:52:52.660 skills such as communication and problem solving associated with screen time, said Nagata,
00:52:56.900 noting there haven't been many prior studies that studied this issue with several years of
00:53:00.740 follow-up data.
00:53:01.960 Now, I just want to emphasize this.
00:53:04.360 Four hours of screen time at age one.
00:53:08.120 Four hours at age one.
00:53:11.060 Keep in mind that children at age one, I mean, these are babies we're talking about.
00:53:13.920 People are plopping their babies in front of screens for four hours, apparently.
00:53:19.080 But children at that age, they typically nap twice a day.
00:53:22.600 So, you know, you might get three or four hours of napping out of a baby.
00:53:26.900 Most likely, also, you're putting them down for bed like at 8 or 8.30, maybe earlier.
00:53:31.180 The point is that they're only awake for seven or eight hours a day, which means that four
00:53:36.900 hours of screen time is half of their waking hours at the age of one.
00:53:41.940 And this is what parents are doing, apparently.
00:53:44.280 And here are the results of that parenting decision.
00:53:47.020 Quote,
00:53:48.200 The study measured how many hours children used screens per day at age one and how they
00:53:52.460 performed in several developmental domains, communication skills, fine motor skills,
00:53:56.260 personal and social skills, and problem solving skills at ages two and four.
00:53:59.440 Both measures were according to the mother's self-reports.
00:54:02.120 By age two, those who had up to four hours of screen time per day were up to three times
00:54:06.540 more likely to experience developmental delays in communication and problem solving skills.
00:54:10.960 Those who had spent four or more hours with screens were 4.8 times more likely to have
00:54:14.720 underdeveloped communication skills, 1.7 times more likely to have subpar fine motor skills,
00:54:20.180 and two times more likely to have underdeveloped personal and social skills by age two.
00:54:23.920 Potential harms of screen time on communication skills may have to do with children being robbed
00:54:28.380 of drivers for language development.
00:54:30.480 Technology use can take time away from interpersonal relationships that nurture social skills,
00:54:34.480 since real people are more multidimensional than characters on a screen.
00:54:37.980 Looking at people's faces is when our brains turn on to figure out how to interact with them.
00:54:44.020 If children don't have enough time to play or are handed a tablet to pacify negative emotions,
00:54:48.560 that can prevent the important developmental milestone that is the ability to navigate discomfort.
00:54:54.280 Now, normally I'm skeptical of studies that depend on self-reported data,
00:54:58.640 but that's because participants are inevitably biased in their own favor when self-reporting.
00:55:03.940 What that means for this research is that actually the situation is probably much worse than what we're told.
00:55:09.040 If parents are going to skew the data at all, they'll do it to undercount the amount of time
00:55:12.980 their kids spend on screens and underestimate the developmental delays.
00:55:17.020 It seems very unlikely that any parent would exaggerate the amount of screen time
00:55:20.800 to make it sound like they plop their kids in front of screens more often than they really do.
00:55:24.820 So the point is that the real story is even more concerning than what's presented here.
00:55:29.880 It's especially the case when you zoom out and view the problem through a wider lens.
00:55:33.140 Kids are put on screens, as we've now seen, practically from birth,
00:55:39.360 and they'll stay on them through their entire childhoods, hardly taking a break,
00:55:42.420 hardly ever looking up to take in the physical world around them.
00:55:46.140 It's difficult to find reliable estimates on the average amount of time kids are spending on screens,
00:55:50.820 in part because this data is, again, always going to be self-reported,
00:55:54.120 and the people doing the self-reporting are incentivized to underestimate.
00:55:58.660 But even with that limitation, the surveys I've seen all seem to agree that children between the ages of 8 and 18
00:56:04.760 spend, on average, around 8 or 9 hours a day on screens.
00:56:08.360 I've seen some estimates that say 10 hours.
00:56:10.520 And that's just for entertainment purposes.
00:56:13.120 It doesn't count schoolwork.
00:56:15.000 It's even harder to find reliable estimates for kids younger than 8,
00:56:18.060 but we know that they don't suddenly jump on the screens at 8 years old and spend 8 hours on them.
00:56:23.760 So we know that.
00:56:25.820 And 8 or 9 hours of screen time is probably an extremely conservative estimate.
00:56:31.040 Yet even taking it at face value,
00:56:33.140 this would mean that millions of children are essentially spending every waking moment,
00:56:37.200 when they're not in school staring at screens.
00:56:40.580 This is their whole life.
00:56:42.360 And most of that time is spent on phones and tablets, not on the TV.
00:56:47.820 The survey back in 2019 found that over half of kids in the U.S. have phones with internet access by the age of 11.
00:56:54.020 20% of children have them before the age of 8.
00:56:56.180 That's phones with internet access before the age of 8.
00:57:01.140 It was in 2019.
00:57:02.340 So we can be sure that those numbers have all gone up considerably in the four years since the survey was conducted.
00:57:06.380 And although plenty of studies, including the most recent one,
00:57:09.760 have revealed some of the damage this is doing to our kids,
00:57:13.000 no study can paint a complete picture.
00:57:15.260 We're only just now beginning to see what that looks like, what the full picture is.
00:57:19.900 As the first generation of kids raised from birth on screens,
00:57:24.460 smartphones, internet, begins to reach adulthood.
00:57:27.760 And the results are quite dire.
00:57:30.180 Only getting worse over time.
00:57:31.700 I mean, Gen Z is the fattest, loneliest, most depressed, most anxious, least motivated,
00:57:38.240 least ambitious generation of human beings to ever live on the planet.
00:57:41.480 All the statistics bear that out.
00:57:44.200 They have difficulty forming human connections and relationships.
00:57:48.400 They're mostly uninterested and even trying.
00:57:50.520 They're deeply confused about themselves, about the world.
00:57:53.960 Incredibly ignorant.
00:57:55.220 Gender confusion has reached never-before-seen highs in this group.
00:57:58.920 They spent their whole lives staring at screens.
00:58:01.700 They never knew life without it.
00:58:04.480 And that's having exactly the kind of impact that any rational person should expect.
00:58:09.680 So why would parents set their children up for this?
00:58:12.800 Why would you do this to your kid?
00:58:15.100 Why would you intentionally put your child in a position
00:58:17.660 where they will become totally addicted to and dependent on screens
00:58:21.540 and unable to function as normal human beings in the world without them?
00:58:24.280 Why would you actively ensure that your child has unfettered access to the Internet,
00:58:31.060 where he'll be exposed to all manner of ugliness and depravity and degeneracy,
00:58:35.800 which he'll absorb and internalize during the formative years of his life?
00:58:39.840 Why would you allow your child to spend 8, 9, 10 hours a day laying around and staring at a little glowing box
00:58:48.220 instead of going out into the fresh air and having a real childhood, whether he likes it or not?
00:58:55.400 Well, whatever answer parents might give, whatever they tell themselves, the truth is clear.
00:59:00.180 I mean, they do it out of sheer laziness.
00:59:01.540 And some will actually admit this.
00:59:03.160 Here's one mother on TikTok explaining, in the very TikTok way, why she gives her kids tablets much.
00:59:13.080 Because they're annoying, she says.
00:59:23.240 The video, she says, why would you give your kids tablets?
00:59:26.100 She says, because they're annoying.
00:59:27.500 Like, the kids are annoying.
00:59:29.120 That's what she's saying.
00:59:30.740 She's a bad mother, in other words.
00:59:32.100 She wanted to make a video to let everyone know that she's a bad mother.
00:59:34.720 It was very important to let everyone know.
00:59:35.760 Now, that video has 5,000 likes.
00:59:37.340 Many mothers have jumped into the comment section to give their amens.
00:59:41.640 One says, quote, LOL, I like your thinking.
00:59:43.720 Totally guilty of this, too.
00:59:44.740 Another says, they really do be like that, though.
00:59:47.360 It's the only thing besides sticking their hands in outlets that keeps them occupied.
00:59:50.600 LMAO.
00:59:51.440 Another says, as my kid sits there on her phone and I'm on my phone.
00:59:55.180 Ah, silence.
00:59:56.760 Another says, yes, I just bought the twins one.
01:00:00.720 Many similar comments.
01:00:01.700 And then there's this.
01:00:02.720 Only full-time parents would understand.
01:00:05.880 Is that so?
01:00:07.380 Well, I'm a full-time parent.
01:00:08.820 I have six kids, all of them 10 and younger, three under four years old.
01:00:12.400 None of them have phones or tablets.
01:00:14.560 And I can guarantee you my wife and I have much busier lives than any of the women in that comment section.
01:00:19.920 By a considerable margin, probably.
01:00:22.340 Now, look, we're not perfect parents by any stretch of the imagination.
01:00:24.880 But the point is that parents who pull this, well, you'll understand when you're a parent.
01:00:28.440 Yeah, you might judge parents for giving their kids tablets and having them on the screens.
01:00:31.920 But when you're a parent, you'll understand.
01:00:34.260 No, that's a cope.
01:00:35.500 That's a rationalization.
01:00:37.080 You are lazy and neglectful.
01:00:38.980 You're more worried about making your kids shut up and leave you alone than actually raising him and helping him to become a good, happy, well-adjusted person.
01:00:50.200 You're a parent who doesn't want to parent.
01:00:52.040 And mostly, you don't want to parent so that you can spend all of your time on your own screen.
01:00:58.780 Okay?
01:00:59.180 Your entire home life is centered around the screen.
01:01:03.800 It has, it has, the screen has cannibalized everything.
01:01:07.660 It has defined you and your family.
01:01:11.220 You're not even a family.
01:01:12.640 You're just, you're just a collection of human beings living in the same house, staring at screens.
01:01:19.880 Is this really the kind of life you want?
01:01:22.700 Is this the kind of life you want your kid to have?
01:01:26.400 What is the point of a life that is spent doing nothing but staring mindlessly at a glowing box?
01:01:33.380 These are the questions you should ask yourself.
01:01:37.300 And if you're giving a tablet to your one-year-old to spend hours a day on, then you really need to ask yourself this question.
01:01:46.320 In the meantime, put down the screen.
01:01:48.560 Take the screen away from your child.
01:01:50.400 Take him outside.
01:01:51.100 Play a board game with him.
01:01:52.980 Play hide-and-seek.
01:01:53.840 Have a conversation, if you can imagine.
01:01:55.960 Read him a book.
01:01:57.300 Like, do something for God's sake.
01:02:00.060 Love your child enough to pay attention to him for more than 30 seconds at a time.
01:02:05.800 Takes a little bit of effort, but it's not so difficult as you think.
01:02:10.520 It's worth a try, at least.
01:02:13.520 Otherwise, you're canceled.
01:02:14.780 And I'll do it for the show today.
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