The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1230 - Courts Across The Country Are Letting Murderers Off The Hook In The Name Of Racial Equity

00:00:00.100 Today in the Matt Wall Show, a white teenager was stomped to death by a group of black men. 0.99

00:00:03.800 This week, jurors decided to convict the assailants only of assault.

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00:01:55.820 The idea of jury nullification has been around since this country had juries.

00:02:00.360 The idea is pretty simple.

00:02:01.480 Juries can vote to acquit defendants, even when the government proves its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:02:06.160 If you serve on a jury, and you listen to all the evidence, and you can still vote not guilty,

00:02:10.520 and you can walk right out of the courthouse and tell everyone that the guy did it, but you didn't care.

00:02:15.140 Maybe you didn't like the law.

00:02:16.960 Maybe you didn't like the prosecutor.

00:02:18.300 Maybe you were just having a bad day.

00:02:19.940 Whatever it is, it's your right to vote to acquit.

00:02:22.620 The defendant will walk, and the judge and the government can't do anything about it.

00:02:26.280 In the history of this country, jury nullification has been especially prominent in periods of open race hatred.

00:02:32.140 During the 19th century, juries often refused to convict people who were accused of helping escape slaves

00:02:38.400 in violation of the Fugitive Slave Act.

00:02:40.440 And later, in the civil rights era, some all-white juries would acquit people who clearly committed acts of violence against blacks.

00:02:47.960 So there are clearly good uses of jury nullification, and there are bad uses of it, as you would expect.

00:02:55.260 But on balance, this is a feature, not a bug, of our judicial system.

00:02:59.720 That's the conventional wisdom, anyway.

00:03:02.200 What's not conventional wisdom, because no one's talking about it, even on the right,

00:03:06.180 is that jury nullification is making a major comeback right now.

00:03:10.140 And this is not the jury nullification that Supreme Court justices like John Jay endorsed back in the day.

00:03:15.600 I'm talking about a return of the civil rights era of jury nullification,

00:03:20.620 where juries, egged on by prosecutors in some cases, refuse to punish racist criminals who are obviously guilty. 0.98

00:03:28.020 Only this time, the criminals are not white, they're black. 1.00

00:03:31.500 This is widespread at the moment in this country. 0.99

00:03:34.220 It is impossible to deny.

00:03:36.220 We have fully imported South African-style juries where race and caste matters more than the facts of the case.

00:03:43.020 I'm going to start with one of the most egregious recent examples of the jury nullification that I'm talking about.

00:03:48.540 This is a case involving the brutal killing of a 17-year-old white high school student in Akron, Ohio, named Ethan Liming. 0.93

00:03:55.200 Now, last summer, Ethan Liming and his friends decided to do some stupid TikTok challenge, 0.97

00:03:59.740 where they take a toy gel gun and fire it at random people. 0.96

00:04:03.740 And here's the police chief in Akron explaining what the gun looks like and what it does.

00:04:08.480 Watch.

00:04:08.720 Yeah, so the description of this toy, and it's targeted for ages 14 and up,

00:04:17.480 is that you take these little beads, you soak them in water, this is my understanding of it,

00:04:24.460 you soak it in water, and then you load this, what they describe as a toy gun,

00:04:32.380 and it shoots these water beads at people or objects or whatever the target is.

00:04:39.600 When it impacts the target, like a water balloon, it explodes, and then the person is doused with water.

00:04:49.380 Okay, and it's important to see what those guns look like, because that is obviously a toy water gun.

00:04:56.640 It's very clearly not a real gun.

00:05:00.240 And so Ethan Liming and his friends, armed with this toy water gun, drove around,

00:05:04.900 and then they came across several young black men ages 19 to 21 who were playing basketball in a parking lot

00:05:09.940 near LeBron James' I Promise School. 0.99

00:05:12.360 And Liming's friends made the very dumb decision to shoot the water pellets at these black men with the toy gun. 0.99

00:05:18.540 Now, evidence at trial, which includes surveillance footage, shows that the black men initially ran away 0.98

00:05:23.460 thinking that they were under attack, but then, probably when they realized what was actually happening,

00:05:29.240 that they weren't in any, you know, their lives were not in jeopardy, they turned back.

00:05:34.260 And they charged at the car that Liming was in.

00:05:37.640 There was testimony that Liming fired some water pellets at the men who were now running at him.

00:05:42.240 The key point here is that this was not a split-second thing,

00:05:45.800 where the black men attacked in self-defense, thinking the gun was real.

00:05:49.060 They pursued Liming to get back at him for his prank.

00:05:53.140 What happened next is that Ethan Liming died a horrible death.

00:05:56.700 When police arrived, they found blood coming from Liming's mouth, ears, and nose.

00:06:01.580 He hadn't simply been punched in the face and given a black eye, although that's true as well.

00:06:05.560 He had been stomped.

00:06:06.920 He had a broken collarbone.

00:06:08.180 He had multiple blunt force injuries all over his body.

00:06:11.260 The coroner noted that there was a shoe print on his chest.

00:06:14.040 Now, think about the amount of force that's required to leave a shoe print on someone's chest.

00:06:20.480 Think about the savagery involved in that.

00:06:23.120 At trial, the defense argued that Ethan Liming's killers were in fear for their life because of the toy gun.

00:06:28.460 They weren't mad that they'd been pranked.

00:06:30.220 Instead, they were deathly afraid of the water gun, so they went to town.

00:06:35.400 Is that plausible?

00:06:36.640 Well, initially, prosecutors didn't think so.

00:06:38.620 That's why they brought murder charges against the men responsible for this killing, which seems obviously appropriate, given the facts of the case.

00:06:46.900 And given that those facts simply don't support a self-defense claim.

00:06:50.100 Again, they pursued him.

00:06:51.420 They assaulted him.

00:06:52.500 And they stomped on him while he was on the ground.

00:06:55.320 It was three against one.

00:06:57.140 And after killing him, they stole his car.

00:06:59.220 So, even if we were to accept the outlandish idea that they ran after this guy, still thinking that he was a crazed shooter with a real gun that just so happened to look like a plastic toy gun,

00:07:11.260 well, by the time they were stomping him to death on the ground, it would have been exceedingly clear to everybody involved that he was not a threat.

00:07:17.920 Also, keep in mind that at least one of the three assailants had been hit in the face with the water pellet, and that couldn't have felt very good.

00:07:26.640 But it does mean that they obviously knew that it was a toy gun.

00:07:30.180 Their lives were not in danger.

00:07:32.080 They stomped him to death, and they stole his car because they were angry.

00:07:36.020 And stomping someone to death and killing them because you're mad, that's not a legitimate excuse.

00:07:41.880 At least it's not supposed to be in a civilized society. 0.97

00:07:45.320 So, this was murder, obviously.

00:07:47.020 But the murder charges didn't last long.

00:07:49.880 Watch.

00:07:50.980 Police originally charged Deshaun Stafford, his brother Tyler, and their cousin Donovan Jones with murder.

00:07:57.720 But in July, a grand jury indicted them on lesser charges.

00:08:01.600 Liming blames the Summit County Prosecutor's Office for that decision.

00:08:05.380 He doesn't believe all of the facts were presented.

00:08:08.400 Akron Police said back in June, race was not a factor in the killing.

00:08:11.960 There is nothing that we have in our possession right now, any information at all, indicating that race played a role in this homicide.

00:08:24.940 Nothing.

00:08:25.380 You get the idea.

00:08:26.920 There are a couple things about this.

00:08:28.160 First of all, if the prosecutors had wanted the grand jury to indict on murder charges, they could have done that.

00:08:32.240 That's not really in dispute, especially after the Trump prosecutions where the grand jury wanted to indict everyone who's ever talked to Trump.

00:08:38.020 And they did.

00:08:39.360 And so everyone knows how grand juries work in this country.

00:08:42.120 You know, the saying about a grand jury could indict a ham sandwich because prosecutors can get anybody indicted by a grand jury.

00:08:49.880 There's no defense counsel present.

00:08:52.440 Prosecutors can basically say whatever they want to the grand jury, and they can indict anyone for any crime.

00:08:56.720 So why didn't prosecutors want murder charges here?

00:08:59.220 Why did they effectively downgrade to a much less serious offense, which is involuntary manslaughter?

00:09:04.200 Liming's father spoke to local media about the prosecutor's decision, and he says that at least one prosecutor said that his son got what he deserved in the form of hood justice.

00:09:15.580 Watch.

00:09:16.220 Between the detectives and the prosecutors, describe that prosecutor's meeting as being very contentious.

00:09:22.100 Some of the prosecutors wanting felonious assault charges and murder charges.

00:09:25.940 Others basically wanting no charges at all, with one of the prosecutors saying that Ethan received hood justice, which was a new term to me.

00:09:33.520 I was unfamiliar with that terminology, hood justice, and I guess implying that Ethan got what he deserved. 0.76

00:09:40.880 Hood justice.

00:09:42.160 That's from a prosecutor.

00:09:43.240 Now, you can believe what Liming's father says, or you can choose not to believe it.

00:09:47.820 Whatever the case, it's objectively true that involuntary manslaughter is an absurdly lenient charge when you pummel someone on the ground after he fired a water gun at you.

00:09:57.220 Involuntary manslaughter makes sense when you're speeding and you hit somebody in a crosswalk.

00:10:01.560 You know, but when you're standing over somebody with a child's toy, causing blood to come out of every orifice of his body, you're probably committing a voluntary act called murder.

00:10:12.320 At the very least, you'd think that it'd be up to a jury to decide whether it's murder or not.

00:10:16.800 But prosecutors in Akron didn't see it that way, so the murder charge was off the table.

00:10:20.320 And just by doing that, just by removing the prospect of murder from the case, prosecutors sent a very clear signal to jurors.

00:10:27.660 And the signal is that this was all an accident, at worst.

00:10:31.680 Nobody really intended anyone to die.

00:10:34.760 And just to reiterate that point, the prosecutors offered jurors another option, which is that they could also convict the thugs of assault.

00:10:41.340 Which is interesting, so you could convict them of assaulting someone until they die, but then not convict them of the actual murder or manslaughter.

00:10:53.800 Well, it doesn't make any sense, but lo and behold, that's exactly what happened.

00:10:57.100 This week, Ethan Liming's killers got off with a conviction for assault.

00:11:01.880 That's it.

00:11:02.480 They were acquitted of involuntary manslaughter.

00:11:04.360 It's as if they just got into a nasty bar fight or something.

00:11:08.080 They stomped somebody to death, and all they're getting is an assault charge.

00:11:13.140 Conviction, rather.

00:11:14.500 So they'll almost certainly be out of jail within two years, if not sooner.

00:11:18.520 This is jury nullification encouraged by prosecutors.

00:11:21.220 There's no other term that you can use to describe this, and it's not just happening in Akron.

00:11:25.000 Consider that just a few weeks ago, a jury found that a member of a black nationalist militia named Othell Wallace

00:11:30.620 had committed manslaughter instead of murder after he shot a police officer to death on camera.

00:11:37.660 Wallace shot this officer named Jason Rayner in the head.

00:11:40.880 This was an unprovoked murder.

00:11:42.820 Rayner was responding to a call of suspicious activity in an apartment complex, and Wallace killed him.

00:11:48.440 Again, there's no doubt about that.

00:11:49.880 The murder was caught on body cam. 0.87

00:11:51.940 Othell Wallace is not simply a member of a black nationalist, black supremacist group. 0.99

00:11:55.680 After executing Jason Rayner, Wallace boasted on Instagram about putting pigs in their place. 0.98

00:12:01.540 He fled to Georgia, where his black nationalist group called NFAC for Not F-ing Around Coalition helped him hide. 0.91

00:12:10.720 Wallace also cut his dreadlocks to hide his appearance.

00:12:13.980 And all of this came out in trial watch. 1.00

00:12:16.520 And then you say, fuck these crap is and the power on speaking to them. 1.00

00:12:19.940 Yeah, but he also said something about me getting banned. 1.00

00:12:22.520 Is Instagram a bunch of crap is? 0.98

00:12:23.980 I'm not sure if it is, but. 0.99

00:12:25.620 You refer to that as law enforcement officers, correct?

00:12:27.740 No, sir. No, sir.

00:12:28.880 Okay. Well, you refer to law enforcement as pigs, don't you? 0.99

00:12:32.260 No, sir. 1.00

00:12:32.900 In fact, after you killed Officer Rayner or shot him, you went on Instagram and you posted that I'm not going to let these pigs do anything to me, correct? 0.99

00:12:42.520 I said, yes, I did refer to as pigs, but when I say the word pigs, I'm not specifically always talking about police officers. 0.98

00:12:52.740 What are you talking about? 0.81

00:12:53.620 I'm talking about people who don't see me as human.

00:12:56.460 Okay. 0.97

00:12:57.040 So when you shot Officer Rayner, you refer to him as pigs and all the other people as pigs, the officers, correct? 0.97

00:13:03.400 No, not just when I said it again. 0.97

00:13:06.540 I'm referring to people who don't see me as human.

00:13:09.100 Sure.

00:13:09.300 Oh, yeah. 0.92

00:13:11.420 Well, so he shot the police officer and killed him and then talked about pigs, but he wasn't talking about police officers. 0.82

00:13:16.000 I mean, you can't imagine.

00:13:17.000 Can you imagine that going the other way? 0.99

00:13:18.860 Somebody kills, murders a black man and then later posts on social media using the N-word. 0.93

00:13:25.400 And then he's asked about it and said, well, no, it's unrelated. 0.97

00:13:28.640 And I say N-word.

00:13:29.460 I mean, that guy could have been referring to anybody.

00:13:30.960 It wasn't really race-based necessarily.

00:13:32.580 Like, there's no way that argument would be bought in court.

00:13:37.240 But after that testimony that you just saw, after shooting a police officer in the face and killing him, Otha Wallace was convicted of manslaughter, not murder, which carries a possible death sentence, manslaughter.

00:13:46.800 The local sheriff said that he was, quote, that he'd never, quote, he'd never been more disgusted by a verdict in his entire career.

00:13:52.920 And you can see why.

00:13:54.840 Again, this is not simply jury nullification.

00:13:56.660 This is race-based jury nullification that prosecutors are encouraging.

00:14:01.600 In some cases, they're not even leaving it to the juries.

00:14:04.220 They're offering murderers really attractive plea deals to short-circuit the whole trial process altogether.

00:14:09.460 Remember the 41-year-old guy in North Dakota named Shannon Brandt?

00:14:12.920 He confessed to killing Kaler Ellingson, who was a teenager.

00:14:16.420 And why did he do that?

00:14:17.160 Well, Brandt was drunk.

00:14:18.340 And he assumed that when Ellingson was on the phone with his mom that he was really communicating with some sort of MAGA Republican militia.

00:14:26.220 So Brandt ran Ellingson over with his Ford Explorer, killed him, and then he fled the scene.

00:14:31.340 And that's murder.

00:14:32.420 But Shannon Brandt wasn't charged with murder.

00:14:33.860 Instead, he was hit with manslaughter charges instead.

00:14:36.860 Prosecutors offered him those charges as part of a plea deal, which, of course, he accepted.

00:14:40.500 And there are many more examples like this.

00:14:42.160 There's the case of James McGee, who used a metal pipe to bludgeon a 62-year-old cab driver named Arif Mohamed Kassim to death back in 2019.

00:14:51.560 He literally beat his brains out.

00:14:54.080 San Francisco's DA at the time let McGee plead to involuntary manslaughter in the name of equity after beating someone to death with a lead pipe.

00:15:01.260 The same thing happened to the killer of Seth Smith, a Berkeley student who was shot in the back of the head at point-blank range by a lifelong criminal named Tony Walker.

00:15:11.540 And the moment that homicide detectives reached out to Walker, he explained that he was frustrated that they cared about Smith's death to begin with. 0.99

00:15:18.780 He said, quote, a white kid gets killed and the damn whole world stops. 1.00

00:15:23.120 F that white mother effer. 1.00

00:15:25.520 That's what he said to the cops. 1.00

00:15:27.240 How did prosecutors respond?

00:15:28.420 Well, they offered Tony Walker a plea of manslaughter.

00:15:31.040 That's despite the fact that a probation officer determined that, quote,

00:15:34.780 the defendant has demonstrated that he is a danger to the community and needs to be separated for the community's protection,

00:15:39.140 the defendant has established an entrenched pattern of criminal conduct that probation, prison, and parole have been unable to eradicate.

00:15:47.080 Nevertheless, Tony Walker was not brought up on hate crime charges or thrown in prison for life, as he would be if he were white.

00:15:53.260 Indeed, this was not a repeat of the Ahmaud Arbery case with the races reversed.

00:15:57.460 Instead, prosecutors let Tony Walker take a manslaughter plea.

00:16:01.000 And for good measure, lawmakers in Berkeley later prevented police from running most parolee searches,

00:16:05.480 like the one that led cops to apprehend Walker in the first place.

00:16:08.760 And we can go on and on listing examples, but there's one more very recent one that we need to fit in here.

00:16:13.940 A man named Calvin Ushery.

00:16:16.860 He brutally assaulted, pistol whipped, and robbed a jewelry store owner.

00:16:21.060 And the whole thing was caught on camera, plain in his day.

00:16:24.460 But guess what happened at trial? Watch.

00:16:27.300 New at 11 tonight, a jury could not reach a verdict in a brutal attack and robbery of a Wilmington jewelry store owner.

00:16:34.080 Calvin Ushery was on trial for various charges, including robbery and assault.

00:16:39.260 After two days of deliberations, a mistrial was declared.

00:16:42.760 This surveillance video was shown during the trial coming up, right here.

00:16:46.920 Prosecutors argued Ushery violently attacked the owner of Solid Gold Jewelers back in September of last year.

00:16:54.500 The owner was so badly beaten, he underwent months of rehabilitation.

00:16:58.640 Prosecutors planned to retry the case.

00:17:01.000 The jury couldn't reach a verdict.

00:17:04.220 Ushery is on video walking into a jewelry store, grabbing the store owner, pistol whipping him, stomping on his head, and beating him with a hammer before walking off with $100,000 worth of stolen merchandise.

00:17:15.880 He was charged with assault and robbery because, you know, you can see him on camera assaulting and robbing someone.

00:17:21.640 But the jury was deadlocked.

00:17:23.900 They couldn't figure it out.

00:17:24.660 They looked at that video and said, I don't know what's happening there.

00:17:26.360 Who knows?

00:17:26.920 It's impossible to tell.

00:17:27.800 Now, we all know why it was deadlocked.

00:17:31.320 There were members of that jury who didn't want to convict a black man, no matter how obviously guilty he was.

00:17:37.580 That's what happened, and we all know it.

00:17:40.020 And this is what's been happening in courtrooms all over the country, without any fanfare whatsoever.

00:17:45.000 The left has targeted conservatives, whether they're politicians or pro-lifers or random people posting memes that offend Hillary Clinton.

00:17:52.140 Everybody knows that.

00:17:52.940 But at the same time, all over the country, the primary voting blocs of the Democratic Party are committing the most heinous crimes imaginable, including murder, only for prosecutors and juries to let them off the hook.

00:18:04.360 They're doing it deliberately.

00:18:05.480 And in the process, they have established a true two-tiered justice system, a hierarchy, where the severity of a crime is judged based on the demographics of those involved.

00:18:17.620 And the lives of victims are ranked based on their race and their politics.

00:18:23.020 Sadly, for the family of Ethan Liming, he falls at the bottom of that totem pole, which means that there will be no justice for him, because we are no longer a country that believes in justice.

00:18:37.960 Now, let's get to our five headlines.

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00:19:49.860 The New York Post has this shocking headline that's supposed to pull at your heartstrings.

00:19:55.900 Migrant children pictured howling in pain as they crawl through razor wire to reach the U.S.

00:20:02.900 The article says gut-wrenching images taken by the Post show migrant toddlers crawling through razor wire

00:20:07.760 to reach Eagle Pass, Texas, howling in pain as spikes from the wire stick into their flesh.

00:20:12.900 The photos capture the sheer desperation of the humanitarian crisis playing out on the border

00:20:16.940 with families and even a double amputee crawling through the sharp coils of wire

00:20:21.040 to get a shot at claiming asylum in the U.S.

00:20:23.940 Migrants barely out of diapers are being dumped at the border by heartless cartels

00:20:28.280 which are using them as decoys to tie up border agents so cartel members can shift drugs

00:20:32.400 and gangsters over more remote areas of the border.

00:20:36.080 And in the pictures that are circulating online, you see these very young children

00:20:41.000 who are obviously in pain.

00:20:42.300 They're crawling through the barbed wire.

00:20:43.440 And then you see what appear to be their mothers with them, taking them through the barbed wire.

00:20:50.740 Around 11,000 migrants crossed in the U.S. across the Mexico border from Sunday to Monday,

00:20:55.040 making it the single highest day in recent memory, according to Fox News.

00:20:58.840 Texas towns, including Eagle Pass and El Paso, have been flooded with thousands of people

00:21:01.820 seeking refuge over the last week, pushing authorities to a breaking point.

00:21:04.700 And now we're being told about this never-ending humanitarian crisis.

00:21:11.540 So we're going back to this well again, you know, the familiar propaganda.

00:21:15.220 Look at these sad pictures.

00:21:16.600 Doesn't this prove that we shouldn't have borders or laws?

00:21:19.620 Oh, you think that we should have borders and laws?

00:21:21.300 You think that we should, you know, be a country?

00:21:24.040 But have you seen these really sad pictures?

00:21:28.080 Look at the sad pictures.

00:21:29.360 Doesn't that convince you to never mind?

00:21:31.580 Shouldn't we see the sad pictures and say, well, never mind.

00:21:36.120 Just wave away the whole border. 1.00

00:21:37.460 Never mind about the whole border thing that every other country in the world has and has always had.

00:21:43.460 And has always protected using violent force if necessary.

00:21:47.460 I mean, clearly by these pictures, they prove that we should be the only country.

00:21:50.760 Well, us and Western European countries as well.

00:21:54.080 So, you know, the West, the modern West should be the only place in the history of the world where countries, there are no borders at all.

00:22:08.080 That's the conclusion you're supposed to reach when you see the sad pictures.

00:22:11.200 But it doesn't actually prove that at all.

00:22:15.100 If anything, it proves the opposite.

00:22:17.100 The people flooding across the southern border, fleeing from the failed state where they live, are very good evidence that enforcing law and maintaining a border is extremely important.

00:22:26.800 Because we don't want to end up like that.

00:22:29.440 And also, of course, when you have a porous border and the so-called migrants, otherwise known as illegal aliens, know that they can just cross through. 0.63

00:22:39.700 And if they make it through, they can, that they'll be here and they won't be sent home.

00:22:42.440 Well, the more that you have that, the more you incentivize people to come.

00:22:45.200 Which is why, as I've always said, and as many people on the right have said, you know, the right thing to do is to have a border that is strictly enforced, you know, where you have armed men on the border, violently enforced the border if necessary, like so many other countries do, and they get no grief for it at all.

00:23:05.980 Well, that's not only the right thing to do because you're protecting the sovereignty of the country, it is also the most compassionate thing for these so-called migrants. 1.00

00:23:16.900 Because it lets them know, don't even attempt it.

00:23:19.120 It's not worth it.

00:23:20.080 Don't even try.

00:23:23.160 Now, to me, it's no different than this.

00:23:24.780 It's like, you know, you can show me very sad pictures of homeless people in the streets.

00:23:32.100 And I might look at those pictures and I might say, well, that's a very sad thing.

00:23:37.600 That's not going to convince me that I myself shouldn't live in a home and shouldn't lock my doors and maintain the security and integrity of my home.

00:23:45.740 Again, it convinces me the opposite.

00:23:48.160 Because I don't want to end up like that.

00:23:49.880 I don't want my children to end up like that.

00:23:51.260 So I have a home with walls and a roof and I lock the door and all of that.

00:23:56.080 And also, if one of those homeless guys just tries to walk into my home uninvited, even if I, from a distance intellectually, I can understand his desperation.

00:24:10.200 And you could say, well, if you were homeless, what would you do?

00:24:12.780 I don't know what I would do if I was homeless.

00:24:14.540 I can sympathize with the plight, but if that homeless guy says, I'm tired of being homeless and I don't want to be out on the street anymore, and he says, I'm just going to walk into my, and he just decides to walk into my house, well, he's not going to be allowed to do that.

00:24:31.440 And if he tries to, he's going to be met with violent force.

00:24:34.580 I feel sorry for the homeless guy, but I also have a home that I have to maintain and a family I have to protect, and that has to be my first priority.

00:24:46.820 And so it's very simple.

00:24:48.480 Same goes for the border and our country as a whole.

00:24:51.820 This is our collective home, and we have to protect it for the same reason.

00:24:56.300 And also, but the real point is, when you look at pictures like this, and the headline is, oh, these migrant children are crawling through barbed wire.

00:25:08.580 Isn't it a terrible thing?

00:25:09.520 It is a terrible thing, by the way.

00:25:12.140 Like the pictures, it's not that pictures are fake.

00:25:14.340 Pictures are real.

00:25:15.100 This is not a deep fake, right?

00:25:18.180 This is not AI generated.

00:25:20.440 These are actual human children that are crawling through barbed wire.

00:25:24.220 It's a terrible, terrible thing.

00:25:26.300 I hate to see anybody in pain.

00:25:27.500 I especially hate to see children in pain.

00:25:30.120 But who's the real villain there?

00:25:33.360 Obviously, it's the parents dragging their kids through barbed wire.

00:25:38.080 That's the headline, right?

00:25:44.140 Their headline was, migrant children pictured howling in pain as they crawl through razor wire to reach the U.S. 0.89

00:25:48.680 The real headline, here's an alternate headline, is abusive, insane mothers. 0.99

00:25:56.300 They drag their children through razor wire. 0.98

00:26:00.920 And should be arrested for it.

00:26:03.360 Like, that's the actual headline.

00:26:05.140 So anytime we hear about these terrible stories of the things that children go through and things that happen to children in the process of being dragged across the border or through the desert to eventually try to sneak across the border.

00:26:22.760 Or anytime we hear these stories, and it is very sad, but it's always the fault lies on the adults who are putting the children in this situation.

00:26:34.400 This is why you don't take your child and cross a desert and try to sneak through a border and crawl, take them through razor wire.

00:26:42.840 That's why you don't do that.

00:26:44.620 And the fault is entirely on you.

00:26:46.300 And that should obviously be our message.

00:26:50.180 And in those particular pictures, you can see, again, you can see what appear to be the mothers, like, dragging their kids through barbed wire.

00:26:58.240 How is that an acceptable thing?

00:26:59.680 And how is the real villain in a picture like that not incredibly obvious to everybody?

00:27:07.580 All right.

00:27:08.320 AP has this report.

00:27:10.360 Reparations advocates urge San Francisco supervisors Tuesday to adopt recommendations aimed at shrinking the racial wealth gap and otherwise improving the lives of black residents as atonement for decades of discriminatory city policies, including the granting of a lump sum $5 million payment to every eligible adult.

00:27:26.800 San Francisco's Board of Supervisors was expected to vote Tuesday to accept the final reparations plan issued by the city's African-American Reparations Advisory Committee.

00:27:35.640 The city has set aside $4 million to open an office of reparations, but it has not acted on major recommendations yet.

00:27:42.440 Supervisors have expressed enthusiasm for reparations, but stopped short of backing individual proposals.

00:27:47.120 The office of Mayor London Breed, who is black, said in a statement Tuesday that she will continue to lift up marginalized communities, but she believes that reparations are best handled at the federal level.

00:27:56.200 Um, but this is the plan by the reparations committee, which does that.

00:28:00.920 So the mayor's black, um, presumably many, if not all of the, the people on these reparations task force are also black.

00:28:11.140 Uh, if these policies are put through, I assume they each get a $5 million lump sum payment as well.

00:28:20.000 That's a nice deal.

00:28:21.720 If you're on some government panel and you can directly like out in the open, I mean, people, people in government positions profit off their positions in unethical ways all the time, but out in the open, you could just award yourself $5 million from, uh, the taxpayers.

00:28:39.020 So that's what's going on here.

00:28:40.180 We have some clips from this meeting.

00:28:41.760 I think there are a bunch, there are a bunch of clips, but I think we only need to play one. 0.95

00:28:44.520 Uh, here's a white woman vomiting her white guilt all over the place. 1.00

00:28:48.800 Actually not all over the place because she's wearing a mask. 1.00

00:28:50.720 So, uh, she, she vomits it directly into her mask, which is quite disgusting. 1.00

00:28:54.300 Uh, let's watch that. 0.89

00:28:56.040 My father started the family, immigrated from Europe, and I'm here to say that I 100% support reparations for black San Franciscans.

00:29:06.260 It is unquestionable.

00:29:09.400 Um, but it doesn't stop there with whatever white people in majority decide to give black San Franciscans.

00:29:20.560 Um, it's, it's not enough.

00:29:22.980 Um, and also white supremacy has us up white people, like seriously. 0.97

00:29:31.680 So part of the reparation should also be like really like questioning yourselves, questioning your thoughts, killing the police in your mind, not voting to give SFPD even more money to police black people, to kill black people, to keep them homeless, to put them in jails, to profit off of them even more. 1.00

00:29:52.240 We need to kill that. 0.99

00:29:53.420 We need to stop that. 1.00

00:29:54.240 So the next time you vote to give SFPD more money instead of investing in the black community, you have failed. 1.00

00:30:01.680 Kill the police in your mind. 0.99

00:30:08.300 Is that, that's what she said. 0.96

00:30:09.420 I didn't, I didn't mishear that. 0.97

00:30:11.860 Kill the police in your mind is her, is her plan. 0.90

00:30:14.500 Uh, she's, uh, there wearing the mask. 0.96

00:30:17.120 Um, it is, you know, as always, if you're a normal person living in a somewhat normal community and you see, you know, video clips like that, you always think like it's, it's amazing that these people actually exist.

00:30:29.540 This is not just a meme.

00:30:32.260 Like this is a, this is a conservative meme of a, of a, of a left winger come to life.

00:30:38.020 Just, uh, you know, it's like someone drew that and then it came to life and you end up with that person.

00:30:44.440 We've talked about reparations, of course, plenty of times in the past.

00:30:47.460 It's an incoherent concept for a whole bunch of reasons, uh, starting with the fact that just because somebody is a certain race living in this country today, that doesn't mean that their ancestors were actually affected by whatever persecution was inflicted by on their demographic group in the past.

00:31:04.520 Uh, their family might not have even been here at the time.

00:31:09.460 Um, but mainly the point is that you, you cannot create a system where people are cashing in on historical wrongs.

00:31:15.940 And once you create a system like that, there's really no, there's no limiting principle.

00:31:22.840 And I think most people understand this, that once, once they start actually, so far, it's just been a bunch of meetings about, about reparations.

00:31:30.640 No one's actually done it yet, but eventually it will have, like California will be, will be the first place.

00:31:36.620 And there'll be some kind of reparations plan that will actually be put into place and enacted.

00:31:41.380 I don't think it's going to be $5 million a piece because that, that just can't, they can't do that.

00:31:47.500 It's not, it's not possible.

00:31:49.120 Uh, you're, you're just fully bankrupting the city at that point.

00:31:53.520 I know you might say, well, you know, obviously San Francisco was run by people who couldn't care less about the, uh,

00:32:00.460 you know, the future and prosperity of that city.

00:32:03.620 But I think it's, it's not, it probably will not be 5 million, uh, but it'll be something.

00:32:08.940 And that is going to happen.

00:32:10.060 And then you're going to start seeing it in other, in other towns and other States, but it's, it's,

00:32:13.780 and then that's just the, the first go round.

00:32:18.340 That's the racial reparations, but then they're going to circle back around and they're going to

00:32:23.080 start talking about reparations for LGBT people.

00:32:26.000 And they're going to talk about reparations for women who, who, who, uh, suffered, uh,

00:32:30.840 they will claim centuries of oppression under patriarchal systems and so on and so forth.

00:32:35.980 You know, eventually every victim group will want its, uh, its bite of the apple.

00:32:42.160 Which, which will be, which will be kind of funny because then it's just going to mean that all 0.57

00:32:45.760 these, it's like you give the reparations to all the, all the black people and then you come 0.99

00:32:49.980 back around and say, well, the LGBT people need reparations. 1.00

00:32:52.120 And they, and they're, they're like the top victims right now.

00:32:55.360 So they probably need more.

00:32:57.920 And then that's, so now the black people have to give some of those reparations to LGBT and 1.00

00:33:02.660 then the women come in and say, what about us?

00:33:04.860 And so they're all just kind of like trading the reparations money around.

00:33:10.080 Or alternatively, all this will just, eventually it's going to be like, of course, all this money

00:33:15.140 is only coming from white men.

00:33:16.240 They're the only ones who are, who are, have to pay it.

00:33:18.220 Um, so that's, that's eventually where it goes.

00:33:22.060 And it becomes this, it becomes this obviously, I mean, on top of being clearly unethical and

00:33:27.620 wrong and immoral that you're stealing from people today to, to address alleged wrongs

00:33:35.860 that were committed by other people who aren't even alive anymore. 0.95

00:33:38.740 So all the whole thing is ridiculous. 0.83

00:33:40.040 It's also an unworkable system.

00:33:41.300 Um, but here's another point that, um, I don't emphasize as often, which, which, and

00:33:46.920 I don't hear emphasizes often, which is that if you have self-respect, if you have any basic

00:33:53.000 honor and self-respect, you shouldn't want this.

00:33:57.480 Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't want this.

00:34:00.340 Um, if I was black, I would not want this.

00:34:03.920 And I know it's easy to say, especially if there's really is $5 million on the table for

00:34:08.620 free, it's easy to say, well, I wouldn't want that, but I actually wouldn't, I wouldn't

00:34:12.520 want it because, because the, the insinuation, the premise as always is that black people need

00:34:21.360 $5 million a piece in order to have a fair shot.

00:34:24.520 They need that kind of boost because they can't do it on their own.

00:34:28.980 And there's no way they can figure out how to do it on their own.

00:34:32.960 That's, that is what is being, it's not being implied.

00:34:35.900 It's just being outright stated.

00:34:37.880 It's incredibly insulting.

00:34:40.940 And it's, and I wouldn't want it because of course the reality is that you, you can,

00:34:46.760 you can sit around all day trying to cash in your victim points and complaining nonstop

00:34:53.580 about all the things that happened in the past that didn't even happen to you.

00:34:58.340 It's like, even if, even if some of these things did happen to you, I mean, even if you,

00:35:03.140 there are no former slaves still living in America.

00:35:06.700 The last one died, I don't know, decades and decades and decades ago.

00:35:10.160 I don't know how long ago, but there are certainly none left.

00:35:15.440 But, but even if there was like some 200 year old person who was alive, still living, who,

00:35:20.940 who actually themselves was a slave way back when, like if they were still spending every

00:35:28.360 single day of their life complaining about it, you, you, you would say even to them, like,

00:35:32.460 it's time to move on.

00:35:34.420 Even though this happened to you specifically, it was so long ago that it's time to move on

00:35:39.660 really with your life, with whatever moment.

00:35:41.520 I mean, you've had such a long life, you're 200 years old and you've wasted the whole time

00:35:44.920 complaining about this thing that happened.

00:35:46.140 Um, so we would say that even to someone who actually experienced it all that, that long

00:35:51.500 ago, but then the reality is that no such person is still living.

00:35:55.880 So you've got people who didn't even suffer, um, these, these, uh, this form of persecution

00:36:03.440 and yet spend every day obsessing over it.

00:36:09.280 Um, this, this, this is no way to live and you can live that way or you can just go out

00:36:19.240 and improve your own life on your own.

00:36:23.160 Like it is actually possible to do.

00:36:27.700 That's, that's one strategy.

00:36:29.800 All right.

00:36:30.400 Here's, uh, I need to make a little time for this because we've, we've, we have already

00:36:35.260 spent several segments on the show recently criticizing John Fetterman and now we have

00:36:44.360 another opportunity to do it.

00:36:45.860 I've just decided, I've just decided that every time for as long as this broken man is

00:36:53.700 still in the Senate, walking around in his wrinkled, uh, his, his, his basketball shorts

00:36:58.360 and his hoodie and all that for as long as he's there, I just think we just need to, we

00:37:03.700 can't let him off the hook.

00:37:05.940 So, especially in this case, because, uh, John Fetterman, along with some other Democrats

00:37:10.560 introduced what I think is certainly in the running for one of the worst pieces of legislation

00:37:19.640 in recent memory.

00:37:22.740 And that, that's, that's actually equivocates more than it needs to, because I think, I think

00:37:25.780 it might be, it might really be at the top.

00:37:27.680 It might be number one on the list.

00:37:29.140 So here's the, this is from a business insider.

00:37:31.500 Uh, and the headline is student loan payments could get easier for survivals of survivors

00:37:36.460 of sexual assault.

00:37:37.520 If a bill introduced by Senator John Fetterman and 10 other Democrats passes, here's the,

00:37:43.180 uh, bill survivors of sexual assault, harassment, and stalking may one day have the ability

00:37:49.260 to defer their student loan payments for up to three years.

00:37:52.140 If their ability to come to school was affected as a result, representative Madeline Dean, Senator

00:37:57.540 John Fetterman, Representative Ayanna Pressley, and eight other Democrats introduced HR, uh,

00:38:03.000 5588 on Wednesday, days before student loan payments are set to resume on October 1st.

00:38:08.000 In his endorsement of the student loan deferment for sex-based harassment survivors act, Fetterman

00:38:12.700 brought up, uh, his time away from the Senate earlier this year when he received treatment

00:38:17.240 for his clinical depression.

00:38:19.620 Fetterman said in a press release, getting help allowed me to be the father and husband

00:38:23.180 I wanted to be, and the senator that's Pennsylvania deserves, I strongly encourage anyone who's

00:38:27.100 struggling or in crisis to get help, and extending the opportunity to our students is absolutely

00:38:31.380 the right thing to do.

00:38:32.260 This bill will make it possible for students to focus on their mental health without the

00:38:35.000 burden of student loan payments.

00:38:36.500 The bill would also change the definition of sexual violence to include sex-based harassment

00:38:40.640 and allow more survivors to access the program.

00:38:45.400 Um, okay.

00:38:46.920 I mean, the article goes on, but there are already so many problems that we've, we've,

00:38:50.700 we've lost count.

00:38:51.480 I mean, to begin with, we have John Fetterman lumping himself in to the category with the

00:38:57.860 survivors of sexual assault.

00:38:59.960 He's, he, he is very directly, uh, lumping himself in with, with rape survivors because

00:39:06.240 he was depressed and he went to the hospital for it.

00:39:10.760 And he's, he's saying quite explicitly that he can relate to them.

00:39:14.680 And he said, well, I got help and you should get help too.

00:39:16.920 Anyone who's struggling with a crisis, whether it's, uh, someone like you who was raped and

00:39:24.100 is a survivor or someone like me who was very sad.

00:39:26.800 You know, it's, it's, it's the same, he says.

00:39:31.260 Um, and on top of that, you have this, well, the whole idea is, is insane.

00:39:39.020 And it's like, if you're, if you're trying to do everything you possibly can to increase

00:39:45.820 the number of, uh, false accusations and false rape claims, you know, if that's the goal here,

00:39:53.380 then I, I, I can't think of a better way to do it.

00:39:57.240 And obviously on the left, that in fact is their goal.

00:39:59.280 So now they're, they're creating a direct, explicit financial incentive.

00:40:05.740 If you want to defer your student loan payments for three, by the way, and we know what deferring

00:40:11.080 means as they always say three years, but then once three years come up, uh, then we'll start

00:40:16.240 talking about what we should defer it some more.

00:40:17.560 So it might be deferment for three years, but everyone understands that really it's indefinitely.

00:40:25.260 And if you are trying to do everything you can to increase the number, to inflate the number

00:40:31.220 of a false rape claims, then this is how you do it.

00:40:34.340 The direct financial incentive say, well, you don't have to pay back student loans for at least

00:40:38.720 three years.

00:40:39.300 If you're a survivor of sexual assault, do you have to, it does, is there, is what's the

00:40:48.100 system to prove that you are a survivor?

00:40:50.900 Well, we can pretty much guarantee that there's no system for that.

00:40:53.600 Just, just make the claim.

00:40:56.260 And then on top of that, as if that's not bad enough, um, and really to emphasize the point

00:41:02.880 that they intend this to be just kind of like a catch all, another way for people to avoid

00:41:07.840 their financial obligations, they expand the definition of sexual violence to include

00:41:12.060 sex-based harassment.

00:41:16.160 And even that, even sex-based harassment is itself an expansion of sexual harassment.

00:41:22.080 Because when you hear the word sexual harassment, it has, it, it's, uh, you know, it, it implies

00:41:27.920 that the harassment is somehow sexual.

00:41:31.320 This is like some kind of creep who's harassing someone in a sexual way.

00:41:33.920 But, but sex-based harassment, it doesn't even have to be sexual harassment.

00:41:38.480 It has to be that a woman feels like she was harassed because she's a woman.

00:41:43.140 It doesn't have to be anything sexual about it.

00:41:44.840 Maybe she was, uh, maybe someone interrupted her in class and she felt like she was being

00:41:50.280 interrupted because she's a woman. 1.00

00:41:51.620 No way to prove that, of course, but that's how she feels.

00:41:53.560 That's sex-based harassment. 1.00

00:41:54.880 And now we're taking a case like that and we are including that and that becomes sexual

00:42:03.340 violence.

00:42:05.720 And now that woman who was interrupted in a meeting or a class and she feels like it was

00:42:11.420 because she's a woman, she's now a survivor.

00:42:14.580 This is not someone who experienced an annoyance that we have all experienced.

00:42:19.140 It's just part of being a human being in society.

00:42:21.120 No, no, no.

00:42:22.260 This is a survivor now.

00:42:24.360 She gets to live the rest of her life.

00:42:25.480 I survived.

00:42:26.400 I survived that moment.

00:42:27.860 I'm a survivor.

00:42:30.780 And there should be a financial reward for that.

00:42:35.760 And now this is, this is, uh, just the same as rape.

00:42:39.800 And all of that is the same as, uh, John Fetterman going to the hospital because he was depressed.

00:42:44.260 So, as I said, a, uh, one of the worst pieces of legislation we've seen in a long time,

00:42:49.240 uh, John Fetterman's brain is broken.

00:42:51.260 So that's his excuse for getting behind this.

00:42:53.460 What about the other Democrats?

00:42:54.720 I guess that's the question.

00:42:56.320 Let's get to was Walsh wrong.

00:43:02.080 So we began the show yesterday with a discussion about marriage and the criticisms of the institution

00:43:07.180 that come now from both the left and the right.

00:43:08.960 And they attack it for different reasons, but often their conclusion is basically the

00:43:12.020 same, which is that modern society should effectively abandon marriage.

00:43:15.500 Um, and as you might expect, a lot of people offered responses to that segment, many of

00:43:19.920 them critical.

00:43:20.400 I didn't go through every comment and message, obviously.

00:43:23.040 I would say that from my initial skim through, the majority are against me, not, not, uh,

00:43:28.560 well, and marriage apparently.

00:43:30.560 And which is basically what I expected because defending the marital institution is not a popular

00:43:34.460 thing these days, which to me only further proves that it needs defending.

00:43:39.540 Um, especially when you consider that, you know, it wouldn't have been all that long ago,

00:43:42.400 that'd be a few decades ago, or probably not even that long.

00:43:46.760 If I were to do a segment saying all the same things, most people would, it would, people

00:43:51.420 would be scratching their heads.

00:43:52.600 Like, why did, why do you think that needs?

00:43:53.920 Well, of course, why do you need to say any of that?

00:43:57.140 So I'm going to read, uh, I'm going to read several of these comments and then I'll offer

00:44:00.680 a few, uh, general thoughts and response.

00:44:03.680 Uh, Paul Holcomb says, I really like Walsh.

00:44:06.080 However, he must look at the numbers.

00:44:07.660 I am not going to split hairs over whether 50% of marriages fail, no matter the number

00:44:12.000 is high and add that to the 25% of marriages that are loveless or sexless.

00:44:16.860 If my wife desires, desires a divorce today, she will get a lawyer, government subsidized 0.64

00:44:21.580 and we'll take everything, including the kids.

00:44:23.740 Yes.

00:44:24.000 Marriage is a bad deal right now.

00:44:25.620 Sorry, Matt.

00:44:27.260 Q Braun says, Matt simply doesn't understand what's going on.

00:44:30.240 He's shilling for traditional values where there are none in today's society while still

00:44:34.600 married.

00:44:34.920 He doesn't understand how moderate, okay, so you're, you are, uh, complaining that I'm

00:44:41.200 quote, shilling for traditional values and then saying that there are none in today's

00:44:44.520 society.

00:44:45.800 Isn't that all the more reason to shill for them? 0.97

00:44:48.900 And shilling usually, that's like when you're shilling, it's a negative thing.

00:44:51.680 Shilling is, is, uh, that's like a scam that you're pushing.

00:44:55.420 That's usually when you say shill, that's the connotation.

00:44:59.020 So do you believe that traditional values are good or bad?

00:45:02.260 You're complaining that there's not enough of them in the modern society.

00:45:05.420 So would it not be, shouldn't I be shilling them?

00:45:08.400 Shouldn't I be pushing the values that we both agree are lacking in today's society?

00:45:15.660 He doesn't understand how modern women take all the control and ability of men by dragging 1.00

00:45:19.300 them through the family courts and sending many, uh, many to barely get by and a good

00:45:23.340 number ready to self-terminate.

00:45:24.840 The only way Matt could truly understand this is to one day find himself falling out of

00:45:27.960 control, losing your money and savings.

00:45:29.480 That for most is just enough to get by and fantasize about ending it all.

00:45:33.200 When all most, when, uh, all most divorced men want is a loving wife and their kids.

00:45:37.500 I think if Matt was forced away from his home and kids, he might be slightly more empathetic

00:45:41.000 towards his fellow men who are getting shafted in society and the family courts.

00:45:44.220 I know I said, I'm going to read them all and then have some general thoughts, but I just

00:45:47.160 one point on this, cause this comes up in a lot of the comments where, well, Matt, you've

00:45:52.560 never been divorced.

00:45:53.320 So you're not credible on this subject.

00:45:55.840 It's like, that's that, this is the, this is the way that this conversation is set up,

00:46:01.060 right?

00:46:01.460 That, um, we talk about marriage and it's just, it, it, we hear nothing but doom and gloom and

00:46:08.340 the absolute worst about it and people throwing out crazy numbers, like 75% are failures.

00:46:14.860 People are miserable.

00:46:16.020 And if anyone comes along and says, you know, that is not my experience.

00:46:20.060 Let me tell you my experience.

00:46:21.180 My experience was more positive.

00:46:22.660 Can I tell you about it?

00:46:24.420 Again, I'm hearing all these things about marriage, but that's not my experience.

00:46:27.480 I'd like to tell you about my, and the moment you do that, you're so well, you don't understand.

00:46:30.600 So you only have a credible perspective on marriage if it fails.

00:46:35.160 So if my marriage failed, then you would be fine, right?

00:46:39.520 Um, uh, Q Braun, you, you would be fine with me talking all about my experience of a failed

00:46:44.320 marriage and it would, it would give me credibility you're saying, but when I, because my marriage

00:46:50.260 is not a failure, suddenly it's not, it's, it's, it's not a credible perspective.

00:46:54.340 So only after it fails, then I can start talking about my own personal experience.

00:46:58.560 Do you think, do you see the, the, what you're trying to set up here?

00:47:01.000 So you, for whatever reason, you would like the picture of marriage, you want a very negative

00:47:06.640 picture of marriage painted.

00:47:09.360 And, uh, so, so what you're saying is that only people who've had negative experiences 0.91

00:47:13.040 can, can have a credible perspective on, on the subject, which is, which is just ridiculous.

00:47:19.260 Um, and there's no lack of empathy here.

00:47:22.260 I don't know how many times I have to say it, you know, and as a man, we should be, you know,

00:47:27.120 you, you, we, you should be less emotional and more able to understand and, uh, uh, you

00:47:33.540 know, just take the words that someone's saying and understand them. 0.98

00:47:38.120 Um, so I don't mean how many times I have to say it, but yes, obviously men who are screwed

00:47:43.140 by the system, many are, it's a terrible thing.

00:47:45.200 It's an awful thing.

00:47:46.900 It's, I, I, I'm very empathetic about that, but I don't think that the correct response

00:47:52.860 is to abandon human civilization's most fundamental institution.

00:47:59.060 I, I think that that will create more suffering.

00:48:02.320 That is not an empathetic view because it creates more suffering.

00:48:06.580 I want less suffering.

00:48:07.960 That's my, that's my, uh, position.

00:48:12.140 You could disagree with it.

00:48:14.560 It's hard to say that it's a position that lacks empathy though.

00:48:18.220 But one of the primary reasons I take this position is because I believe this position

00:48:21.240 will lead to less suffering.

00:48:22.880 So that is my objective also.

00:48:26.480 Um, let's see, uh, Brianna says you may have been married for 10 or 15 years, but how do

00:48:31.580 you know what your marriage will be like after 25 or 40 years?

00:48:34.200 How many boomers over 50 have been divorced after being married for 25 plus years?

00:48:39.680 EB Sport News says blaming, uh, red pillars is akin to accusing them of all the ills that

00:48:44.520 was associated in modern day marriage.

00:48:46.360 All they do is present the current state of marriage and the divorce laws and give suggesting

00:48:50.180 in some instances on how to navigate in this world.

00:48:54.320 Grant says, Matt, it's easy for you to say all this.

00:48:56.860 You were married years ago when things were different and you're rich.

00:48:59.580 It's not so easy for young men today.

00:49:01.780 That's what you don't understand.

00:49:02.740 Okay.

00:49:03.860 Um, so a few points here.

00:49:06.200 First of all, just taking that last comment, I hear this a lot.

00:49:11.560 Oh, you're married in a different day and age, different for you, right?

00:49:14.200 You're in a different financial position.

00:49:15.440 It was a different, it was 12 years ago.

00:49:17.520 Okay.

00:49:17.860 It was not a century ago.

00:49:19.460 It was 12 years ago.

00:49:21.280 And, uh, it's the, it was the same culture.

00:49:24.900 Okay.

00:49:25.300 There might be some unique challenges in the, that have come up in the last several years,

00:49:29.400 but it was basically the same culture.

00:49:32.000 The divorce rates, I think back then were actually worse than they are now.

00:49:35.100 And they certainly weren't much better.

00:49:37.020 They're probably basically the same.

00:49:38.700 So the divorce situation was basically the same.

00:49:40.940 I heard all the same stuff before I got married.

00:49:42.580 All this stuff, everything that's being said now, every single thing that is being said now,

00:49:47.020 I heard the same things before I got married.

00:49:50.160 So it's not new.

00:49:52.000 Okay.

00:49:53.360 Um, the fact that the system is rigged against men, that was the case 12 years ago.

00:49:59.520 Living in a, in a, in a decayed, depraved, degenerate culture.

00:50:03.040 We lived in that culture 12 years ago too.

00:50:05.500 Well, not that long ago.

00:50:07.360 This didn't all start yesterday.

00:50:11.280 Um, and, uh, in terms of the, of, of, uh, you know, the financial situation, when I got

00:50:19.820 married, I was broke.

00:50:21.100 I've talked about this before.

00:50:22.020 I believe when I got married, I was not a person who was financially well off.

00:50:27.480 It might be the case that now we're, we're quite financially comfortable.

00:50:30.500 We're blessed to be, to be comfortable.

00:50:31.760 That was not the case when we got married.

00:50:34.000 I, I maybe had 50 bucks to my name in my bank account.

00:50:37.120 If that, most of the time I had $0 in bank account or negative.

00:50:40.100 I was living in the negative most of the time.

00:50:43.020 Um, and that was certainly the case when we got married, we were, we were not in a good

00:50:46.820 position financially.

00:50:48.020 We were in, we were very broke.

00:50:50.500 You know, we were living in a, I don't know, 400, 300 square foot, one bedroom apartment.

00:50:56.040 That was just awful.

00:50:57.460 And the whole nine yards, we were, we were broke when I got married.

00:51:01.520 Um, and that's why I've often said that, uh, that not only do you not have to wait until

00:51:08.160 you have a lot of money to get married, but, uh, but oftentimes it can be better to get married

00:51:14.280 before then, because then you are creating a life together and you're, you are gaining

00:51:20.600 all of this, um, financial security and wealth together.

00:51:24.420 You are succeeding together.

00:51:25.680 You're walking that path together.

00:51:28.020 And I think that there are many advantages to that.

00:51:30.840 Like one of the big ones, first of all, is that you don't have to worry.

00:51:33.380 Like, I don't have to look at my wife and think, well, she only married me for the money. 0.99

00:51:38.180 She married a guy with 50 bucks for the money. 1.00

00:51:40.300 No.

00:51:41.880 And, but the other big thing too, is that I know with my wife that, that because we walk

00:51:46.620 this path together, um, that there's no concept of like, oh, this is mine.

00:51:52.400 You know, this is my, I make the money.

00:51:54.220 It's mine.

00:51:54.760 It belongs to me.

00:51:55.740 You don't have that kind of possessiveness because I know that I couldn't have done anything

00:52:00.540 that I've done without her.

00:52:01.780 I know that.

00:52:02.300 I know that we did this together in a very real sense.

00:52:07.000 Um, so you don't, you don't need to wait for that.

00:52:09.980 I think there, there are major downsides to waiting until you're older and, uh, and you

00:52:14.120 have all the money that you want and everything.

00:52:15.280 And then you wait till you get married.

00:52:16.320 And one of the problems too, is that you may, you may find that you, you never really get to

00:52:18.920 a point where you feel like you're perfectly financially secure.

00:52:21.220 And then what?

00:52:23.100 You just never move on to the next phase of life.

00:52:26.780 Um, but the, the, the fundamental point that I, and I read through a lot of these comments

00:52:32.720 and, and, and no one answered this.

00:52:35.700 And this was the point that I raised yesterday.

00:52:37.600 And I always do.

00:52:39.660 We can, I acknowledge that the system is broken.

00:52:45.200 I acknowledge that we live in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, all, an awful decayed culture in 1.00

00:52:50.820 many ways.

00:52:51.940 And in the next segment, we'll, I'll give you another example to prove how decayed it

00:52:54.980 is.

00:52:55.820 Um, and so that's all bad news.

00:52:58.120 I acknowledge that for men and women, there are some serious challenges in, in finding

00:53:04.600 the right person to marry.

00:53:05.880 It's not impossible.

00:53:07.080 There's just challenges.

00:53:07.860 And there are a lot of people walking around out there who are just broken people and have

00:53:12.820 been, have been, you know, living in this culture, but, but not questioning it at all

00:53:16.700 and floating with the tide of the culture.

00:53:18.800 And they are just not the kind of people that you want to marry.

00:53:20.640 It'd be a bad, it'd be a bad mistake to marry them.

00:53:23.060 So the values that you and I have are not shared by, certainly not shared by everyone.

00:53:28.180 And they're, they're probably, it's probably a minority of people at this point who share

00:53:31.380 our values.

00:53:32.060 So, so the pool's a little bit smaller to find the person who shares your values.

00:53:37.840 All of that is acknowledged.

00:53:39.900 So let's say that we all agree on all of that.

00:53:42.280 Okay.

00:53:43.840 Now what?

00:53:45.560 What, what now?

00:53:47.040 Now that we've all agreed on that and we agree the system needs to be reformed, we agree

00:53:50.360 on everything.

00:53:51.940 Okay.

00:53:52.340 Now what?

00:53:53.220 What do we do next?

00:53:55.560 I'm not asking you, what do I do next?

00:53:56.940 Because I'm already married with a family and I have a great life and I'm, and I, and I

00:54:01.220 enjoy my life.

00:54:03.040 Okay.

00:54:03.400 So I, I'm not saying this for my sake.

00:54:05.240 I'm not saying to you, well, tell me what to do next.

00:54:08.160 I'm saying for all those young men out there, what next?

00:54:11.480 What now?

00:54:12.280 Once we've established that and we all agree on that, what do you want them to do now with

00:54:15.840 their life?

00:54:17.460 And if your answer is just to kind of like live in this state of limbo in this kind of

00:54:22.500 stasis, uh, hovering around and floating along and waiting for things to get better before

00:54:28.460 they move to the next phase of their life, that is not a solution.

00:54:32.300 That's not a viable solution.

00:54:34.400 And that is a recipe.

00:54:35.600 You are consigning these men to despair and hopelessness and failure.

00:54:40.980 So when I get to the what now, once we've established everything, and then the question

00:54:46.460 is what now, what do you do next?

00:54:48.780 A lot of the people that leave these comments, they have no answer to that at all.

00:54:51.820 No answer.

00:54:52.380 I at least have an answer, which is that, well, the what now is you take all these risks into

00:54:58.000 account, you do what you can to protect yourself, and you move forward with your life.

00:55:02.720 You keep living your life.

00:55:04.540 You live the life that you have a right to live, that you're supposed to live, that you're

00:55:08.160 called to live.

00:55:09.880 And for most of us, that includes getting married and starting families.

00:55:12.300 You do all that in spite of these challenges, because the other option is not viable.

00:55:20.340 And it's a recipe for not only individual despair and failure, but also, by the way, for the

00:55:26.640 death of human civilization, which is kind of a big deal.

00:55:29.540 So the next set of comments that I would love to hear from people, and what I would love

00:55:35.240 to read is, what is yours?

00:55:36.740 If you don't like my what now, then what's yours?

00:55:40.100 What do you have these young men do?

00:55:43.160 How do you have them spend the next 40 years of their life, 50 years of their life?

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00:56:52.020 Today for the Daily Cancellation, we have a show that was made for this segment. It is

00:56:55.580 destined to be canceled. Canceled here, and hopefully in a more literal sense as well,

00:56:59.040 though on that latter point, I don't have much hope. I think it's more likely that this show

00:57:02.440 will run for 45 seasons and garner millions of devoted fans, because that's the kind of culture

00:57:07.260 we live in. But the show, which has just been added to HBO Max, is called Naked Attraction,

00:57:12.460 and it's exactly what it sounds like. It's an uncensored, full-frontal, nude dating show.

00:57:17.860 Reading from The Hollywood Reporter, it says, quote,

00:57:19.460 One of the UK's most infamous dating shows was quietly added to the Max streaming service last

00:57:23.480 week, and it's already causing quite a stir. The streamer has imported six seasons of Naked

00:57:27.300 Attraction, a game show that promises to start where a good date often ends, naked. In each episode,

00:57:32.740 a single chooser critiques and eliminates six potential dates standing on a stage by scrutinizing

00:57:38.200 their fully nude bodies, which are gradually revealed one part at a time. Faces are revealed last.

00:57:43.920 When only two potential dates remain, the chooser strips out of their own close two,

00:57:47.380 giving the remaining two contestants the opportunity to critique them. The final couple then go out on

00:57:51.820 a date with their clothes on. The episodes on Max are uncensored, but have added a warning at the

00:57:56.740 beginning of each episode. So revealing the face last is a nice touch, in case you didn't already

00:58:02.280 get the message based on the whole premise of the show. The point here is to totally objectify

00:58:07.060 these people. It's to remove their humanity entirely. You're judging each individual body part

00:58:13.520 before you even see their faces. They are, until that point, nothing more than faceless collections

00:58:19.640 of limbs and organs. Of course, the participants are volunteering for this objectification, so they're

00:58:24.740 not victims. The victim here is society, the culture, which suffers yet another blow. That's why, as we're told,

00:58:31.280 some HBO Max customers are not very happy to find this garbage on their platform, but plenty of others, 0.80

00:58:36.020 unfortunately, yet predictably, are thrilled. Quote, many are defending the show. Quote, despite the 0.79

00:58:42.040 nudity, it isn't supposed to be titillating or dramatic or anything. The contestants are just

00:58:46.200 normal people with normal flaws, and the format promotes an open, healthy discussion of sex with

00:58:51.160 the participants, wrote a viewer on Reddit. That's because this is how you have a healthiness

00:58:55.620 conversation about sex. You have it naked on camera. That's the best way to have a health, you know,

00:59:01.140 every healthy conversation. That's how you have, that's the beginning point for any healthy

00:59:05.620 conversation is that it happens naked on camera. Anyway, a lot of Americans might actually benefit

00:59:10.940 from seeing this, opined another. There's a surprising diversity of contestants, bodies, and tastes

00:59:15.120 talked about pretty matter-of-factly. And another, it's nice to see because the media and XXS has conditioned

00:59:21.860 us to see bodies in a certain unrelatable way, usually too perfect an airbrush. And on ABC's The View on

00:59:28.460 Monday, Sonny Hostin said, I'm embarrassed to admit my husband, Emmanuel, and I got so obsessed with the

00:59:33.980 show, we binged it yesterday. And I learned things I've never heard of in my life. It was one of the

00:59:38.540 most fascinating things I've ever seen. Yes, fascinating is one way to describe it. Another

00:59:43.740 word you could use is disgusting, depressing, dismal, dystopian, lots of D words. And just so you

00:59:50.200 understand how dismally dystopian this is, here's the censored version of the trailer for the show.

00:59:56.480 Watch.

00:59:58.460 In this dating show, we go back to basics.

01:00:01.840 Are you ready?

01:00:03.320 Bring it on.

01:00:04.580 And start where a good date often ends.

01:00:07.740 Whoa.

01:00:11.600 Naked.

01:00:14.080 Don't know where to look.

01:00:15.940 Have you been faced with six? No, but I feel like I should have done.

01:00:19.740 What do men and women really find physically attractive?

01:00:22.980 Wow.

01:00:23.660 This is fantastic.

01:00:24.420 And could picking a partner based solely on their natural beauty help us find the one?

01:00:31.100 I've never met anybody like this before, and I don't know where to look.

01:00:35.140 Let's find out by dating in reverse.

01:00:38.040 Who are you going to pick for your date?

01:00:41.380 This is the hardest decision of my life. Oh, my God.

01:00:43.800 Naked Attraction.

01:00:44.960 So we see that the naked people are literally kept in boxes, and the lid on the box opens slowly so each body part is revealed and judged separately.

01:00:59.920 And those rejected then must suffer the humiliation of not only being rejected, but being rejected while naked in front of an audience of thousands.

01:01:09.760 It's the kind of thing you'd expect to exist in the universe of some kind of dystopian sci-fi film.

01:01:13.940 This is something that would have made sense in idiocracy, except it would have been a little too dark for that movie, and as it turns out, all too real. 0.81

01:01:22.360 So what can we learn from this show?

01:01:24.800 Well, nothing at all, obviously, but a couple of things we already knew can come into sharper focus.

01:01:29.880 And the first is that, of course, we live in a horrifically malformed and decayed culture. 1.00

01:01:34.800 In fact, it's decayed to such an extent that it can barely be called a culture at all.

01:01:38.320 Well, you know, if you leave the apple on the counter for too long, it'll start to rot, and if you let it rot for too long, eventually it'll not really be an apple anymore.

01:01:45.760 It'll be nothing more than a pile of putrid mush.

01:01:48.940 And that's the stage that we've reached with our culture. 0.61

01:01:51.140 We have reached putrid mush stage.

01:01:53.520 We are existing not in a culture, but in the remnants of what was once a culture.

01:01:57.200 A show like this could not exist in a country that had any sort of vibrant real culture.

01:02:03.240 This can only grow out of a culture's decomposing remains. 0.69

01:02:06.700 That's not to say that naked attraction is somehow significantly worse than what has come before it. 1.00

01:02:12.280 I mean, there are millions of reality dating shows, and they're all degenerate and stupid. 1.00

01:02:17.860 And in terms of the nudity, we live in a country where millions of people have been watching hardcore porn since they were young children. 1.00

01:02:23.700 Full frontal nudity in a reality show.

01:02:25.140 It's almost quaint by comparison, which is why it's funny that one of those comments on Reddit that said, you know, Americans could really, yeah, this is something they need to see.

01:02:32.580 Yeah, you know, because Americans aren't seeing enough nudity. 0.99

01:02:34.580 That's the big problem in our society right now is that Americans haven't seen enough nude people.

01:02:41.240 So this is not another stage in our slide down the slippery slope.

01:02:44.680 We are at the bottom of the slope, and this is just another thing getting tossed into the muck.

01:02:49.280 And this all sounds really bleak and discouraging, I realize, but, well, it's a bleak and discouraging thing.

01:02:55.320 I don't know what else to tell you.

01:02:56.160 The good news, though, and yes, I am straining to come up with the good news, but here's something. 0.96

01:03:02.060 That's that you can use these depraved, idiotic dating reality shows, especially one like Naked Attraction, as a very accurate roadmap towards healthy and productive dating. 0.93

01:03:14.400 And I'm not suggesting that you actually watch any of these shows. 0.99

01:03:16.940 And I'm certainly not suggesting that you model your dating life after anything on these shows.

01:03:20.640 They are a roadmap, but they're an inverted roadmap.

01:03:24.380 So you can look at what they do and just do the exact opposite of that.

01:03:30.360 So consider the naked, faceless people in boxes being chose based on a close inspection of their bare body parts. 0.82

01:03:37.220 And you can choose your date in exactly the opposite kind of way.

01:03:41.780 You can take into account the full person.

01:03:44.960 And by that, I don't mean their full naked body.

01:03:46.800 I mean, consider what sort of person this is.

01:03:50.340 Their value system, their character.

01:03:52.540 Is the person honest, forthright, intelligent?

01:03:55.780 Do we share the same fundamental belief system?

01:03:58.420 Are our basic priorities and principles aligned?

01:04:02.020 Of course, physical attraction is important, but it's only one ingredient in the recipe that makes for a successful relationship, which leads to a successful marriage.

01:04:09.620 That's the other crucial factor that I'm pretty certain doesn't come up in the Naked People in Boxes show.

01:04:13.780 Is that when you're dating, you should see it as a courtship process leading towards marriage.

01:04:19.760 And you should be looking for someone who views dating the same way.

01:04:22.340 Again, do the opposite of what our decayed pseudo-culture suggests.

01:04:27.580 Which is easier said than done, perhaps.

01:04:30.460 But also, it's the only way.

01:04:32.860 And that's why HBO Max and their dystopian naked dating show is today canceled.

01:04:39.340 That'll do it for the show today.

01:04:40.380 Thanks for watching.

01:04:41.000 Thanks for listening.

01:04:41.720 Have a great day.

01:04:43.100 Godspeed.

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