The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1246 - A Trump Supporter Was Just Sent To Federal Prison For A Meme

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, the Biden administration just put a Trump supporter in federal prison for a meme.

00:00:04.760 This is perhaps the worst and most flagrant assault on free speech we've seen, and yet most Republicans are ignoring it.

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00:01:49.320 November 8th, 2016 was Election Day, a day of triumph or tragedy, depending on who you ask.

00:01:56.920 And as you may recall, Hillary Clinton was going up against Donald Trump.

00:02:00.280 If you can think back that far, you might remember that back in those days,

00:02:04.040 before Chinese-style COVID lockdowns became a pretext for transforming the entire system of elections in this country, 0.89

00:02:10.040 people actually went to the polls in large numbers on Election Day.

00:02:14.060 They didn't mail in their ballots or hand them over to a political operative.

00:02:17.240 They actually showed up and voted.

00:02:18.720 So that morning, a left-wing activist named Christina Wong decided to play a practical joke on all of these Election Day voters. 1.00

00:02:26.520 She went on Twitter, writing, quote,

00:02:28.520 Hey, Trump supporters, skip poll lines at Election 2016 and text in your vote.

00:02:33.060 Text votes are legit.

00:02:34.300 Or vote tomorrow on Super Wednesday.

00:02:37.120 Now, Wong also uploaded a video on Twitter telling Trump supporters, once again,

00:02:40.900 that Election Day, in reality, was on November 9th, which was a day later than the actual Election Day.

00:02:46.780 Watch.

00:02:48.220 Hey, everybody.

00:02:49.300 This is Christina Wong.

00:02:51.080 And I'm coming out.

00:02:53.260 I'm a Trump supporter.

00:02:54.460 And I just want to remind all my fellow Chinese-Americans for Trump, people of color for Trump, to vote.

00:03:00.500 Vote for Trump on Wednesday, November 9th.

00:03:03.820 Really important day.

00:03:04.900 We're going to show this country who's boss.

00:03:07.080 And that's our man, Donald Trump.

00:03:08.780 So don't forget to vote Donald Trump on November 9th.

00:03:12.460 Now, that video that you just saw there is still available on Christina Wong's Twitter feed.

00:03:17.920 She has not taken it down.

00:03:19.500 And watching that video, it's clear to any reasonable person that it's a joke.

00:03:24.580 No Trump supporter is going to get tricked by a random woman on Twitter into thinking that Election Day is one day later.

00:03:30.940 No one's going to be fooled into thinking that they can text their vote in anonymously for any candidate at all. 1.00

00:03:36.160 And in any event, if somehow a voter did fall for Christina Wong's shtick, then, I mean, honestly, they're so stupid that they shouldn't be voting anyway. 0.98

00:03:44.460 And that could be why the DOJ never charged Christina Wong with any crime at all. 0.99

00:03:48.820 She was engaging in political satire or trolling or mockery or whatever you want to call it. 0.91

00:03:54.380 And whatever you do call it, it was protected by the First Amendment, obviously.

00:03:57.920 But if that's the case, then it's very hard, in fact, impossible to justify the DOJ's approach to a different person, a man named Douglas Mackey.

00:04:09.160 On social media, Mackey used the online alias of Ricky Vaughn.

00:04:13.160 And exactly one week before Christina Wong posted her meme on Twitter, Douglas Mackey posted this meme.

00:04:20.140 And the image reads, avoid the line, vote from home.

00:04:23.520 Now, Douglas Mackey posted this image on social media a full week before Election Day.

00:04:29.440 And at the time, he posted this on his Twitter account.

00:04:31.780 Mackey's profile picture depicted a man in a MAGA hat wearing a Bain mask.

00:04:36.120 So it was not exactly a credible announcement about the upcoming election, nor was it trying to be.

00:04:41.780 It was obviously a joke.

00:04:43.920 Exactly the same joke that Christina Wong told.

00:04:48.420 And at the time, everybody recognized this.

00:04:50.180 More than four years went by, and no one said a word about it.

00:04:54.160 No harm, no foul, no damage was done.

00:04:56.960 Not an issue.

00:04:58.460 But then, in late January 2021, just a week after Joe Biden was inaugurated and his handlers took control of the federal government at DOJ, everything changed.

00:05:06.920 Douglas Mackey was suddenly hit with federal charges.

00:05:10.080 As the New York Times reported, Mackey was accused of, quote, spreading disinformation online that tricked Democratic voters in 2016 into trying to cast their ballots by phone instead of going to the polls.

00:05:21.480 The Fed said that Mackey had, quote, coordinated with co-conspirators to spread memes on Twitter, falsely claiming that Hillary Clinton supporters could vote by sending a text message to a specific phone number.

00:05:32.140 Now, I want you to take a moment to reflect on that phrase, coordinated with co-conspirators to spread memes on Twitter.

00:05:42.520 MSNBC's coverage at the time was just as breathless.

00:05:45.220 Here's how they covered the crimes of this dangerous meme-spreading edgelord.

00:05:51.000 Watch.

00:05:51.280 A notorious Twitter troll was arrested on federal charges of election interference.

00:05:57.960 Douglas Mackey, also known by his online alter ego, Ricky Vaughn, is accused of a voter disinformation campaign during the 2016 election.

00:06:06.820 The arrest represents what could be a big change in how the federal government fights election interference.

00:06:11.920 NBC News investigative reporter Brandi Zadrozny joins us now.

00:06:14.640 So, Brandi, first of all, tell us about the election disinformation campaign that Mackey is accused of orchestrating.

00:06:20.800 What did he allegedly do?

00:06:23.980 So, yeah, Mackey is accused of having used Twitter to coordinate with other trolls in these private spaces, private group chats.

00:06:34.240 One was called War Room.

00:06:35.800 And he's accused of spreading disinformation, specifically that voters could cast their ballots via social media and text.

00:06:41.960 This one was specifically aimed at Black and Latino voters.

00:06:45.460 You could tell because he used memes with Black people and ones written in Spanish, allegedly.

00:06:50.800 Now, basically, you know, what this guy did is what we're all really familiar with from the Russian Internet Agency.

00:06:56.580 They created fake posts.

00:06:58.260 They said that, you know, in these posts that certain celebs were on the Trump train, for instance, right?

00:07:03.300 Or they created fake advertising campaigns for Hillary Clinton where they were like, we're going to draft your daughters into the armed forces. 0.55

00:07:10.800 Or, you know, like we just said, the lies about when and where people can vote.

00:07:14.820 And just like the Russian campaign, we've been saying forever, there's a homegrown alt-right disinformation campaign.

00:07:21.180 And it was aimed at electing Donald Trump.

00:07:24.540 So, Douglas Mackey is using the same tactics as Vladimir Putin.

00:07:28.260 This guy with 50,000 Twitter followers, along with Vladimir Putin, is the reason that Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton.

00:07:33.680 That's what they're saying. 0.59

00:07:34.240 They don't even realize how ridiculous any of this sounds, or they do realize and they don't care.

00:07:39.140 And that's how determined they are to come up with reasons why Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election, something that they still are grappling with.

00:07:46.000 What's funny about that clip, aside from the total absurdity of the whole thing, is that this week, NBC's disinformation reporters just spent an entire day lying about a hospital bombing in Gaza.

00:07:56.480 They told you Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500 people, when in reality, it looks like some terrorists in Gaza put a crater in a parking lot.

00:08:04.940 The NBC disinformation experts who lied about the incident are the same people telling you they're very concerned about a meme posted on Twitter about the 2016 election.

00:08:14.640 So they're complete frauds, as usual.

00:08:16.760 At the same time, however, they are effective.

00:08:18.900 The Biden DOJ put Douglas Mackey on trial more than a half decade after his conspiring to spread memes, and they did it using the same law, 18 U.S.C. Section 241, that they're accusing Donald Trump of violating.

00:08:32.140 This law makes it criminal to engage in a conspiracy to deprive Americans of their right to vote, and this was a law that Congress passed to prevent the KKK from intimidating blacks at the polls.

00:08:43.500 It's not something that you would think would apply to a meme on Twitter, and now it's being used to jail everyone from a former president to a random guy with 50,000 Twitter followers who posted a meme, because they are determined to crush political dissent, whether it comes from Donald Trump or a Twitter troll or anybody else.

00:09:05.820 So how did Mackey's trial go?

00:09:08.040 As you could probably guess, it wasn't exactly a fair and impartial proceeding.

00:09:11.360 For one thing, Joe Biden's prosecutors hid the identity of a key witness in the case.

00:09:15.720 This witness, known as Mr. Microchip, was important because to prove that a conspiracy exists, you need at least two people, obviously.

00:09:23.100 So the feds needed Mr. Microchip to testify that he had engaged in a conspiracy with Mackey.

00:09:29.340 But in a remarkable, if predictable, turn of events, the DOJ convinced a judge to keep Mr. Microchip's identity under seal.

00:09:36.900 And perhaps more importantly, the DOJ also convinced the judge to issue an order preventing Mackey's attorneys from cross-examining Mr. Microchip about his extensive dealings with the FBI, which dated back at least to the year 2018.

00:09:50.900 In his communications with the FBI, the witness reportedly acknowledged that there was no grand scheme to sway election results, but none of that could come into evidence.

00:10:01.380 It wasn't brought up at trial. It wasn't allowed into the trial.

00:10:03.900 The jury also wasn't allowed to hear that Hillary Clinton's own staff didn't think that any of Douglas Mackey's memes mattered during the 2016 election.

00:10:14.060 On the other hand, prosecutors were more than welcome to question Mackey about his views on women's suffrage, his opinions on whether immigrants should be allowed to vote.

00:10:23.620 All of those opinions that have nothing to do with the case were allowed to come into evidence to rile up the jury in New York.

00:10:30.400 And here's another important point to keep in mind. This is maybe the most important point.

00:10:35.780 Prosecutors never produced a single piece of evidence to prove that a single vote was actually lost due to Mackey's meme.

00:10:45.520 The jury did not hear from a single witness who testified that they texted their vote and then didn't vote for real because of it.

00:10:54.100 There were people who texted the number because they were curious about it or whatever.

00:10:57.840 They were playing along with a joke, but there was no evidence or any reason to believe that any actual real-world harm was caused by this meme. 0.99

00:11:09.000 Not that preventing idiots from voting would actually be harmful, in my opinion. 0.97

00:11:13.180 That would be a great public service, I think, but the point is that there's no evidence at all that such a thing happened. 0.99

00:11:18.620 If he was trying to trick people, it didn't work. Nothing happened. There was no harm done.

00:11:27.020 And yet, predictably, Mackey was convicted.

00:11:29.380 And the other day, he was just sentenced by this federal judge to seven months in federal prison for a meme.

00:11:37.760 Seven months.

00:11:38.620 That's the punishment for mocking Hillary Clinton voters with a meme, which is essentially a modern-day political cartoon.

00:11:46.760 It is the equivalent of someone being put in prison for a political cartoon.

00:11:52.000 And to put that in context, seven months is a longer prison stint than a BLM rioter received in 2020 for threatening to murder a police officer with an AR-15.

00:12:01.880 That officer was guarding a courthouse that the rioters were setting on fire, but this rioter named Dakota Means was sentenced to probation, meaning no time in prison whatsoever.

00:12:13.240 Dakota Means, by the way, went on to murder his infant child.

00:12:17.000 Now, as horrifying as that story is, there are many more like it.

00:12:20.340 Pretty much every BLM terrorist from 2020 received a lighter sentence than Douglas Mackey did for posting a meme.

00:12:27.500 And most of them received no sentence at all and were never even charged with anything.

00:12:32.500 And that tells us a couple of things.

00:12:33.920 First of all, it tells us that we are led by tyrants.

00:12:36.360 And if there's one thing tyrants despise more than anything else, it's being mocked.

00:12:41.240 You know, you could disagree with them, and most of the time they'll shrug and bury you with an avalanche of their own propaganda.

00:12:47.600 But if you mock them, I mean, that's really how you incur their wrath.

00:12:53.420 And they will go to tremendous lengths, years after the fact, to make sure you're destroyed for it.

00:12:58.740 The devil cannot endure to be mocked, as Thomas More said, and neither can the current regime running our country.

00:13:06.620 Which, and those two things are certainly related.

00:13:09.400 The other lesson from the Douglas Mackey case is that it's a symptom of a much larger problem.

00:13:13.120 Douglas Mackey could only be convicted in a country that no longer cares about basic principles of democracy, which, of course, includes the freedom of speech.

00:13:21.300 And, indeed, it's becoming clear that our country no longer cares about any of those principles.

00:13:25.860 As Yahoo just reported, quote,

00:13:27.460 A large portion of Americans on both sides of the aisle favor getting rid of democracy and imposing violence on their political opponents, among other authoritarian measures, according to a new poll.

00:13:37.060 31% of Donald Trump supporters and 24% of President Joe Biden supporters said democracy is no longer viable and an alternative system should be tried, according to an October poll from the University of Virginia's Center for Politics.

00:13:48.600 Now, poll results like this aren't surprising, because every day we see new examples of the disparate, unequal application of the laws in this country.

00:13:57.480 The other day, pro-Hamas protesters stormed a Senate office building demanding a ceasefire in the Middle East.

00:14:03.340 And they obstructed lawmakers on their way to work.

00:14:05.760 They prevented media reports from taking place.

00:14:09.040 It was an insurrection.

00:14:10.780 Here's what it looked like.

00:14:11.560 Now, what we know for sure, not that I have a crystal ball, but if, but, you know, I can still look into the future and prophesy that not a single one of those rioters will be placed in solitary confinement by Joe Biden's DOJ.

00:14:36.580 They're not going to face 20-year prison sentences, just like the women who stormed Capitol buildings during the Kavanaugh hearings. 0.99

00:14:43.100 None of these pro-Hamas degenerates will face any consequence whatsoever.

00:14:47.680 And that's because they didn't mock the people in power.

00:14:50.560 They didn't put their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk.

00:14:53.140 They didn't smile while parading Pelosi's lectern around the Capitol building.

00:14:57.740 So in the eyes of the Biden DOJ, they're not a threat.

00:15:00.040 This ad hoc system of law enforcement has gone on for so long that a critical mass of Americans have lost faith in our system entirely.

00:15:09.300 And why shouldn't they lose faith in it?

00:15:11.460 What is there to have faith in?

00:15:13.600 The appearance of legitimacy as well as actual legitimacy is nonexistent in our judicial system.

00:15:20.020 I mean, 50 years ago, jailing a political cartoonist would have been unthinkable in a supposedly free country.

00:15:27.420 Yet, it just happened in this country.

00:15:30.640 And the response has been basically a collective shrug.

00:15:34.080 Republicans in Congress haven't come out in defense of Douglas Mackey.

00:15:36.760 In fact, I'm not aware of a single elected Republican who has said anything about this.

00:15:43.560 And maybe there have been a couple.

00:15:45.120 I don't keep track of every single one of them.

00:15:47.580 But just ask yourself that.

00:15:50.380 How many elected Republicans have come out to say anything about the fact that Biden's DOJ just put someone in jail in federal prison for seven months for an anti-Hillary Clinton meme?

00:16:04.360 For the most part, there has been no outrage from either party.

00:16:07.440 So, Douglas Mackey will serve his sentence for mocking his masters.

00:16:12.360 He'll report to federal prison for his memes.

00:16:16.600 And because no one stood up in his defense, the fear is that very soon he'll have a lot of company.

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00:17:35.300 Okay.

00:17:36.420 So we just, a little more on the story that I just mentioned, the insurrection of October 18th, a day that will live in infamy,

00:17:43.900 a day that was obviously worse than 9-11 and Pearl Harbor and the sinking of the Titanic combined times 10.

00:17:52.360 Daily Wire reports, far-left protesters with an anti-Semitic group stormed the Cannon House office building,

00:17:57.120 which was located on Capitol Hill, on Wednesday to demand that Israel stop launching military strikes at the terrorists

00:18:01.780 who were responsible for murdering 1,400 Israeli citizens last weekend.

00:18:06.180 The group that held the event, Jewish Voices for Peace, is so radical that even Democrats were condemning them,

00:18:11.080 including Representative Jerry Nadler. He posted on X, quote,

00:18:15.460 Many have asked me who is Jewish Voices for Peace.

00:18:18.260 Their website says that they are proud to be a part of the global Palestinian-led boycott, divestment, and sanctions movement,

00:18:24.100 which by its founders' admissions and tenets seeks to end Israel as a Jewish democratic state.

00:18:30.280 That's what Nadler said.

00:18:31.600 U.S. Capitol Police began arresting protesters when they were told that they had to leave

00:18:34.720 because they were not allowed to protest there and they did not comply with police orders.

00:18:38.420 So they went into a building that they weren't supposed to be in.

00:18:41.520 They were trespassing.

00:18:42.660 They were told to leave.

00:18:43.580 They refused to leave.

00:18:46.120 Insurrection.

00:18:47.500 So here's the question.

00:18:49.860 And we know this is just the latest occasion, as mentioned,

00:18:53.540 when left-wing protesters have stormed a government building.

00:18:56.760 We've seen it happen in D.C.

00:18:58.620 We've seen it happen in Nashville with anti-gun protesters.

00:19:03.460 We've seen trans activists doing the same thing around the country.

00:19:07.220 And we've seen much worse than this.

00:19:09.280 We've seen government buildings, courthouses, police stations under siege, set on fire.

00:19:17.440 In some cases, burned to the ground, like the police station in Minneapolis was.

00:19:21.740 So the question, is any Republican going to hold these people to the standard that Democrats have set?

00:19:30.440 Is any Republican going to do that?

00:19:33.280 I mean, so far, the answer is no.

00:19:36.240 Most Republicans won't even acknowledge that any of this is happening.

00:19:39.940 Certainly with the Douglas Mackey case, most Republicans, as we already talked about, 0.98

00:19:43.320 most Republicans have said nothing about it, which I know we're used to these people being incompetent cowards. 0.97

00:19:48.180 But that is pretty amazing, because it's a layup, right? 0.94

00:19:52.820 I mean, it's not like it requires any political courage on your part as an elected Republican to just say,

00:19:58.680 hey, the Biden's DOJ put a guy in prison for means.

00:20:02.160 This is crazy.

00:20:03.740 You don't risk anything simply by saying that, at least.

00:20:06.980 They won't even say it.

00:20:08.820 Now, with the protesters storming the Capitol and that this is an insurrection,

00:20:13.220 I have seen some Republicans saying, well, isn't this an insurrection?

00:20:17.060 Okay, great. 0.94

00:20:18.180 You know, I've seen some elected Republicans, rather, pointing out the hypocrisy. 0.97

00:20:22.100 Look at the hypocrisy, the double standard.

00:20:26.220 Well, you know who can do something about that?

00:20:28.960 Yeah, there is a double standard.

00:20:31.060 But you know who can do something about the double standard?

00:20:33.260 It's you.

00:20:34.080 That's what you're supposed to do.

00:20:36.400 Okay, if there's a double standard, do something about it.

00:20:39.260 Make it one standard.

00:20:41.380 We are being held to a standard, and so it's up to you.

00:20:44.680 The Democrats aren't going to do it themselves.

00:20:45.880 So you can whine about it and say, why won't you hold yourselves to the same standard?

00:20:50.980 Out of the kindness of your heart and generosity of spirit and a sense of good sportsmanship,

00:20:56.400 why won't you hold yourself to the same standard?

00:21:00.020 Rather than doing that, if you're in a position of power, you could say, okay, there's a double standard.

00:21:06.480 We're not going to tolerate that anymore.

00:21:08.160 There's going to be one standard.

00:21:09.740 And so we're going to take the standard that you hold our people to, and we're going to hold you to it.

00:21:13.980 And that's the way it's going to be.

00:21:16.540 Well, Republicans won't do that.

00:21:17.800 They lack the will.

00:21:18.680 They lack the courage.

00:21:21.180 You know, we don't see Republican appointed, for the most part, we don't see very many Republican or conservative DAs across the country.

00:21:30.060 Doing anything like that.

00:21:32.280 If we get a Republican in the White House in 2024, whoever it is, is that person going to go back and prosecute Christina Wong for her tweets in 2016?

00:21:44.620 The way that Biden prosecuted Douglas Mackey?

00:21:49.160 Because that's what needs to happen.

00:21:51.920 That's what, if there's a Republican in the White House, they should go back.

00:21:56.640 It doesn't matter how long ago it was.

00:21:59.300 This is exactly what Biden's regime did.

00:22:03.480 They were keeping track.

00:22:04.820 They were keeping score all throughout Trump's tenure when they didn't, they allegedly didn't control the federal government.

00:22:11.000 And they were keeping track of who they were going to go back and go after and try to take down.

00:22:18.320 Douglas Mackey was one of them.

00:22:22.020 Mark Houck, the pro-lifer in Philadelphia, is another one. 0.86

00:22:26.460 Are Republicans doing the same thing?

00:22:30.880 It's like a, it's, it's actually, it's unthinkable that a Republican would do that.

00:22:34.860 But they would have the guts to do that and the wherewithal and the gumption.

00:22:42.200 Are they going to go back and track down the protesters who stormed D.C. yesterday and start hunting them down and arresting them?

00:22:49.160 That's what needs to happen.

00:22:51.940 But it won't.

00:22:52.820 Instead, we'll complain about the double standard and rather than, than actually doing something about it.

00:22:58.300 Because, you know, this, it exists whether we like it or not.

00:23:04.260 This is the way that they're playing the game.

00:23:06.920 And so our choice is, we can, we can be satisfied with the status quo.

00:23:14.160 And we can let them use weapons against us that we refuse to use against them.

00:23:17.980 But we just get slaughtered.

00:23:19.420 Or we can respond in kind and we can let them experience, you know, let them have the taste of their own medicine.

00:23:27.940 That's the choice.

00:23:30.680 All right.

00:23:31.280 Here's the latest from Joe Biden.

00:23:32.900 We've seen him bumbling and stumbling around over in the Middle East.

00:23:39.460 And this video, though, is one of the most concerning we've seen from Biden, which is really saying something.

00:23:45.720 Here he is.

00:23:46.240 I don't know what he's trying to say here, but here he is talking about the situation.

00:23:52.560 Let's watch.

00:23:54.380 Virtually every mass shooting, every circumstance where a large number of people have been victimized and lost, I spoke to them.

00:24:12.080 I learned a long time ago what you've all learned in your life.

00:24:16.240 When someone's going through something that is beyond their comprehension, that they've ever thought they've had to go through.

00:24:30.640 If they see someone who they think understands that maybe they're through something not the same, but similar, it gives them some sense of hope.

00:24:40.080 But no, no, put that picture back up on the screen.

00:24:44.960 This is very important because we've got a couple of questions.

00:24:48.460 Lots of people on Twitter are asking what's going on with Joe Biden's chin there.

00:24:53.600 His chin has a certain sort of, I don't know what the word is, testicular look to it, which is interesting.

00:25:00.640 Like, what's happening is he's decomposing in front of our very eyes.

00:25:04.760 He's physically, he is a corpse that is physically decomposing in front of us.

00:25:09.700 And we know that his mind is already, his mind is long gone.

00:25:13.200 And now we're going to watch his body go with it.

00:25:15.420 He's just going to, by the end of, if he gets reelected by the end of his second term,

00:25:21.640 he will, he would literally, he'll be like a zombified corpse.

00:25:26.860 He'll be a skeleton.

00:25:30.720 I mean, there's not much else to say about it.

00:25:34.040 I guess like every time there's another video of the president of the United States

00:25:38.060 demonstrating very clear symptoms of Alzheimer's.

00:25:45.300 You know, it's like you can, we've all seen the videos.

00:25:48.020 We've said everything we can say about it.

00:25:51.640 And I guess we're used to it by now, but this is not the kind of thing that we should be used to.

00:25:56.500 This should, this should not be normal.

00:26:00.780 And this is the consequence of electings.

00:26:03.900 It's just, you guys, you've all heard my, heard me on the soapbox about electing people in their 80s,

00:26:09.600 but I'll say it again.

00:26:11.300 It's just insane.

00:26:12.400 It is, it's suicidal.

00:26:14.500 Even putting everything else aside about, about electing Joe, now granted,

00:26:17.680 electing Joe Biden at any age, even if he was a young, chipper, 65-year-old,

00:26:26.680 still, that would be suicidal too.

00:26:28.740 But, but, um, especially electing someone, if you, if you are a serious country

00:26:34.140 and you take the future of your nation seriously,

00:26:37.080 you do not elect 80-year-olds to run the country.

00:26:41.960 There are just, I don't, any, the amazing thing is that even after all this, I still,

00:26:49.240 every time I talk about this, I still hear from plenty of people who say,

00:26:53.900 well, yeah, Joe Biden is obviously senile, but there's no reason why we shouldn't continue electing 80-year-olds.

00:26:59.700 My grandmother, my 92-year-old grandmother, you know, she, she's a real firecracker, I tell you. 1.00

00:27:06.760 She hasn't lost a step, so, you, you, you know.

00:27:11.020 No, your 92-year-old grandmother has lost, she's lost a lot of steps, okay?

00:27:16.280 She, she's, she's not the same person she was when she was 60 or 50 or 40.

00:27:21.060 She, she might be alert and energetic for a 92-year-old,

00:27:26.640 but, uh, but she's still 92.

00:27:31.100 92, because we are mortal creatures, and we are living in a, in a, we live temporal lives.

00:27:43.700 Death comes for all of us, and our bodies and minds start breaking down the older we get.

00:27:49.980 It's just the reality.

00:27:51.220 There's no way, no one is exempt.

00:27:52.660 And, you know, the peak for everybody, the, the, the, the mental and physical peak,

00:27:59.820 everybody has a slightly, not everyone peaks in the same, at the same age or at the same time,

00:28:04.120 but here's the thing, when you get to be 75 or 80, you are past your peak.

00:28:09.200 Every single person is way past their mental and physical peak by the time they hit 75 or 80, okay?

00:28:14.920 No one's hitting their peak at 85.

00:28:16.500 It's not happening.

00:28:18.900 So, 75, 80, you are on the decline.

00:28:21.140 You're on the decline physically.

00:28:22.960 You're on the decline mentally.

00:28:24.220 Once you get to 80, your chances of, uh, of having, of, of, of, of having dementia are, like, are high.

00:28:31.840 10, 20, 30.

00:28:32.920 I mean, 30%, it's, and with each year beyond that, it becomes more and more likely.

00:28:39.200 So, for a serious country, we wouldn't do this.

00:28:41.360 75 should be the cutoff for the presidency, obviously.

00:28:44.520 There's no argument against it.

00:28:46.560 If you haven't done it by the age of 75,

00:28:48.200 if you haven't managed to become president by the age of 75, then it's not for you.

00:28:52.660 And it's okay.

00:28:53.620 Most people don't become president.

00:28:55.200 Very few people do.

00:28:57.040 Just go home and be with your grandchildren.

00:29:00.280 All right, let's brighten the mood here a little bit.

00:29:02.020 I want to play this video for you.

00:29:03.200 This is Canadian Conservative Party leader, and I know I can do this, Pierre Poilivet.

00:29:10.240 I think I got it.

00:29:10.940 I think that's his name.

00:29:12.040 Poilivet.

00:29:13.280 Anyway, he's a Canadian Conservative Party leader.

00:29:15.080 And he's gone viral with, um, for a positive reason.

00:29:19.020 We don't see, it's, it's, it's pretty uncommon that we see a viral video out of Canada

00:29:24.180 that's going viral for positive reasons.

00:29:26.500 But in this case, uh, that's what happened.

00:29:29.020 Here he is in an exchange with, uh, some local media flack.

00:29:33.380 And I think the way that he handles this is pretty brilliant.

00:29:37.820 Watch this.

00:29:39.300 Um, on the, on the topic, I mean, in terms of your sort of strategy currently,

00:29:44.420 you're obviously taking the populist, uh, pathway.

00:29:48.000 Um, what does that mean?

00:29:48.980 Um, well, appealing, appealing to people's, uh, more emotional levels, I would guess.

00:29:55.580 Um, I mean, certainly, certainly you, certainly you tap, certainly you tap, uh,

00:29:59.840 very strong ideological language quite frequently.

00:30:02.740 Like what?

00:30:04.240 Uh, left wing, you know, this and that, right wing, they, you know, I mean, it's that,

00:30:09.100 that type of ideological thing.

00:30:10.780 I never really talk about left or right.

00:30:12.120 Anyways, a lot of people.

00:30:12.940 I don't really believe in that.

00:30:13.800 Okay.

00:30:14.420 A lot of people would, would say that you're simply taking a page out of the Donald

00:30:18.900 Trump, uh, book.

00:30:19.900 Probably like which people would say that.

00:30:22.080 Well, I'm sure a great many Canadians, but.

00:30:25.640 Like who?

00:30:27.180 I don't know who, but.

00:30:28.720 Well, you're the one who asked the question.

00:30:30.220 So, you must know somebody.

00:30:32.200 Okay.

00:30:33.180 I'm, I'm sure there's some out there, but anyways, the point of this, the point of

00:30:36.500 this question is, I mean, why should, why should Canadians trust you with their vote

00:30:42.020 given, you know, not, not just the sort of ideological inclination in terms of taking

00:30:48.700 the page out of Donald Trump's book, but.

00:30:50.600 What are you talking about?

00:30:51.420 What page?

00:30:52.040 What page?

00:30:52.500 Can you give me a page?

00:30:53.240 Give me the page.

00:30:54.500 You keep saying that.

00:30:55.480 In terms, in terms of turning things quite dramatically in terms of, of Trudeau and, and the left wing

00:31:00.680 and all of this.

00:31:01.360 I mean, you, you, you make quite a, you know, it's, it's quite a play that you make on it.

00:31:05.480 So I'm.

00:31:06.400 I'm not sure.

00:31:07.180 I don't know.

00:31:07.680 I don't know what your question is.

00:31:09.120 Then forget that.

00:31:09.860 Why should Canadians trust you with their vote?

00:31:12.720 Common sense.

00:31:14.340 Common sense for, for a change.

00:31:18.700 We're going to make common sense common in this country.

00:31:21.780 We don't have any common sense in the current government.

00:31:25.200 You know, the guy prints $600 billion, grows our money supply by 32% in three years.

00:31:32.580 That's growing the money eight times faster than the economy.

00:31:37.120 No wonder we have the worst of inflation in four decades.

00:31:40.040 I'm going to cap spending, cut waste so that we can balance the budget and bring down inflation

00:31:45.320 and interest rates.

00:31:46.120 You'll want to be able to pay your mortgage again.

00:31:47.740 You want to be able to afford rent.

00:31:49.180 Then you have to vote for Pierre Polyev because I'm the only one with a common sense plan that

00:31:55.340 will bring back the buying power of your paycheck.

00:31:58.800 Polyev, I think is how I pronounced it.

00:32:00.840 I'm going to go with my pronunciation.

00:32:02.080 Anyway, that was, uh, that, that was very well done.

00:32:04.740 Um, and, uh, it's, uh, it's sort of a unfortunate that we have to be so impressed with that exchange,

00:32:11.100 not because it was not impressive, but because, uh, this is how, you know, this is how every

00:32:18.240 conservative politician and every conservative in general should respond in these kinds of

00:32:22.200 situations.

00:32:23.640 Um, and this, this is what the media does, right?

00:32:25.740 They'll, they ask you a question, uh, but it's not, it's not, it's not a question.

00:32:30.440 The question is always, it's always loaded and they always build it from a false premise.

00:32:35.340 And so they do exactly what this guy did where they say, well, this is who you are and this

00:32:39.240 is what you believe and it's totally false.

00:32:42.200 And then, and so therefore here's my question.

00:32:45.840 Well, most conservatives, what we've seen historically is that they'll let them get away

00:32:51.360 with the false premise and then they'll just launch off into some speech, you know, uh,

00:32:56.920 answering or not answering the question, but he's not gonna let them get away with it.

00:33:01.680 So, and you don't have to do much.

00:33:03.300 It's not, you don't have to, the other thing he's not doing is he's not arguing against the

00:33:08.700 false premise.

00:33:10.460 He's not, because then he's on the defensive.

00:33:12.880 This is what he did.

00:33:13.680 That was, uh, that was quite, quite skillful is he's exposing the false premise.

00:33:21.360 But he's not arguing against it because if you argue against it, then, then you're on

00:33:25.460 the defensive.

00:33:25.900 It looks like you are, like you're guilty, like you have something, a reason to defend

00:33:29.520 yourself.

00:33:29.940 All he's doing is just asking, well, where'd you get that from?

00:33:33.000 You know, as, as, as I've, as we've talked about plenty of times, these are most, some

00:33:39.640 of the most powerful questions that you can ask someone.

00:33:42.860 One is, what do you mean by that?

00:33:45.960 And we've seen that with a, what is a woman question? 0.89

00:33:47.860 Just, you say you're a woman.

00:33:48.900 What do you mean by that?

00:33:50.340 Simple question.

00:33:51.360 It's a very fair question.

00:33:52.600 It's not a gotcha question.

00:33:54.260 What do you mean by that?

00:33:56.200 What do you mean by that?

00:33:57.240 And where did you get that?

00:33:59.360 Why are you saying that?

00:34:01.080 What do you mean by that?

00:34:02.920 Where did you get that from?

00:34:04.480 Who told you that?

00:34:06.040 Why are you saying that?

00:34:07.140 These, these kinds of the, the most basic sorts of questions you could possibly ask.

00:34:11.480 And what you find is that these people cannot answer them.

00:34:16.300 Because this guy, he's starting from a false premise. 0.99

00:34:18.280 Well, you're a fascist. 0.99

00:34:20.560 You're this or that. 1.00

00:34:21.040 You're a radical.

00:34:22.580 He doesn't even know where he got it.

00:34:25.480 This is just a, this is an impression that he's, this is something that he's absorbed.

00:34:30.620 Right?

00:34:31.820 He's absorbed it from the atmosphere.

00:34:34.940 He has no idea where he got it.

00:34:38.040 And so if you ask these basic questions, where did you get that from?

00:34:40.460 What do you mean by that?

00:34:41.380 Why are you saying that?

00:34:44.180 It all starts to fall apart and break down.

00:34:48.300 With almost no effort on Pierre's part.

00:34:53.280 Eating the apple is a nice touch.

00:34:54.620 Usually I'm very much against people eating while speaking or eating in public at all where I have to see it, eating on camera.

00:35:01.780 But in this case, it was a nice touch because it helped, you know, it just helped with this kind of casual vibe where he was totally unbothered.

00:35:10.420 I think politicians, Republican politicians in this country should, should take note.

00:35:15.340 New York Post has this independent presidential candidate, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. supports issuing reparations to the black community, making him the most prominent 2024 candidate to favor the controversial policy meant to atone for slavery and legal segregation.

00:35:28.140 President Biden has largely been silent on the issue, leading to frustration among the far left.

00:35:32.360 Kennedy, who ditched his Democratic primary challenge to Biden earlier this month, has spoken out in favor of issuing federal dollars to rebuild black infrastructure like banks and businesses, and as well as direct redress payments or tax credits rather than no strings cash giveaways.

00:35:49.320 He states in his campaign website, communities that were specifically targeted for destruction need to be specifically targeted for repair.

00:35:59.240 He continues, quote, on the campaign website,

00:36:02.320 During Jim Crow, black banks, businesses, hospitals, schools, and farms were targeted for destruction.

00:36:08.220 Racists knew that without these, the black community had no chance of building wealth.

00:36:12.140 We must set federal dollars aside to rebuild black infrastructure. 0.99

00:36:15.460 These programs complement direct redress payments or tax credits to the descendants of the victims of Jim Crow and other victims of persecution.

00:36:24.380 The pledge continues.

00:36:25.380 RFK Jr. will find ways to offer this redress that are legal, fair, and win the approval of Americans of all races.

00:36:34.780 Well, there's no such thing as a fair version of that.

00:36:37.680 You're giving people payments for persecution that they didn't suffer, and these are payments that people who are not responsible for that persecution, people who did not inflict that persecution, must pay.

00:36:54.100 So that is the definition of an unfair system.

00:36:58.140 There's no fair way to do it.

00:36:59.740 But it's not a surprise that RFK Jr. is in favor of this, because as much as I've talked about the fact that he's, you know, his entrance in the race as an independent isn't much more a problem for Trump, because he's going to take more votes from Trump than he will from Biden.

00:37:17.560 And that's just the reality.

00:37:18.760 But that doesn't mean that RFK Jr. is a conservative, which is why if you are a conservative or if you lean right or any of you, if you don't like Biden at all, wherever you fall and you vote for RFK Jr., you're making a massive mistake.

00:37:35.860 And he's not a conservative, and he's still a Democrat.

00:37:38.060 And one thing we know about Democrats is that ultimately, look, there will be Democrats on rare occasion who say heterodox things on some subjects, you know, might be the vaccine, it might be big pharma, that sort of thing.

00:37:56.320 But they will ultimately toe the line on things like race, LGBT.

00:38:03.480 They will ultimately toe the line on that.

00:38:05.320 Now, RFK Jr., when it comes to LGBT, he has, I believe, said that he doesn't think males should compete against women in sports.

00:38:13.020 So he's not toeing the line on that.

00:38:14.920 But when push comes to shove, like if he was actually elected president, which isn't going to happen, you can guarantee to toe the line on that, too.

00:38:22.260 Because there are just lines that you don't cross as a Democrat.

00:38:26.780 And even if he files independent, he's still a Democrat. 0.77

00:38:28.840 By the way, on reparations, you know, we've already talked about why this is an inherently unfair, ridiculous system.

00:38:39.200 But the other thing that rarely comes up in the reparations discussion is that even if you are convinced that there should, that there need to be reparations, which you shouldn't be.

00:38:51.200 Well, good news for you, we've already had reparations.

00:38:56.680 We've already done this.

00:38:59.640 Okay, affirmative action is a form of reparations.

00:39:02.800 There are many special programs and set-asides and privileges that have been systemically put in place to help the allegedly marginalized people in our society.

00:39:17.960 All of that has already been done.

00:39:21.080 It already exists to redress these historical wrongs.

00:39:25.520 And so if you're a member of one of these allegedly marginalized communities and you still don't like how your life is turning out, maybe stop looking at the system and start looking at your own life and the choices that you make.

00:39:41.540 Let's get to Was Walsh Wrong?

00:39:43.200 Don says, in response to your cancellation, there was a time in American history that not that long ago that a man could graduate from high school and near enough fall into a lifelong career that paid enough to feed his wife and three kids, own a nice house and two cars, and have a pension.

00:40:02.680 That used to be the case.

00:40:04.240 It's often not the case anymore.

00:40:06.960 And that should change.

00:40:08.160 But I don't know if you're actually even disagreeing with anything that I said at all.

00:40:14.980 But it's fine to acknowledge all of this.

00:40:18.940 And that in many ways, the baby boomer generation, especially when they were in their 20s and 30s, they had it a lot easier.

00:40:25.000 They really did, as is often pointed out.

00:40:28.800 And that's not the case now.

00:40:31.320 It's okay to acknowledge that.

00:40:32.840 But if you are in your early 20s and you're just starting out in life, you can acknowledge the fact that it used to be easier and that it was easier for your parents' generation.

00:40:43.580 Okay.

00:40:45.960 But that's not your situation.

00:40:49.280 And so you can sit around complaining about it, waiting for things to get better.

00:40:53.240 Or you can operate within the reality that exists for you and try to succeed in spite of it.

00:41:01.040 Those are the only two options.

00:41:04.260 Trucker Pat says,

00:41:05.120 Your claim that Kennedy hurts Trump more than Biden is false, but I get why you're spreading the falsehood.

00:41:09.620 Not necessary.

00:41:10.440 More boomer Dems will be voting for Kennedy just for nostalgic reasons and will easily outnumber the dissenting Republicans.

00:41:17.300 I'm not sure what you're basing.

00:41:19.040 What are you basing that on?

00:41:20.280 I know this is what you hope is the case.

00:41:22.900 It's what I hope is the case, too.

00:41:24.260 I certainly hope that RFK Jr. takes more from Biden than he does from whatever Republican is nominated.

00:41:30.680 But your hopes and dreams are separate from what will actually happen.

00:41:37.020 So what are you basing that on?

00:41:41.420 You're not basing it on any polls.

00:41:43.520 The poll that we just talked about yesterday shows pretty clearly that RFK Jr. takes much more from Trump than he does from Biden.

00:41:50.280 Nerd Society says,

00:41:53.800 I won't pretend to feel a certain way for anyone's benefit. 0.91

00:41:56.540 F off.

00:41:57.100 You want me to work to do work? 1.00

00:41:58.780 I'll do it happily, but I'm not putting on some stupid grin for anyone's benefit. 0.99

00:42:03.960 Okay, that's fine. 0.99

00:42:05.280 And you'll just never be successful.

00:42:06.900 Look, far be it from me to judge anyone else for not smiling.

00:42:11.780 I'm not exactly an expert in that regard.

00:42:15.660 It's not just about smiling.

00:42:16.740 It's about having the right attitude.

00:42:18.500 It's about realizing that you can't be governed by your emotions if you want to succeed.

00:42:21.960 If you're unable to or unwilling to pretend that you feel a way you don't really feel,

00:42:27.320 then you will just be a failure forever.

00:42:31.580 Successful people are able to suck it up and do things they don't feel like doing

00:42:35.560 and present themselves in a way that doesn't always reflect how they feel.

00:42:40.000 Because they're not governed by their emotions.

00:42:41.620 If you're governed by your emotions, then you'll just never be successful.

00:42:44.860 You'll be a failure.

00:42:48.180 This is one of the common threads that connects almost every failure in the world. 0.86

00:42:53.240 Anyone you can look at and say this person is a failure.

00:42:56.420 They don't just mean because they didn't become rich.

00:42:57.880 That's not what I mean by failure.

00:42:59.720 They just didn't succeed in anything they tried to do in life,

00:43:01.780 or they never tried to do anything.

00:43:03.920 And one of the common threads connecting all of them is that these are people

00:43:06.600 that are governed by their emotions.

00:43:07.820 If you want to be successful, especially in a career setting,

00:43:12.040 you need to be able to present yourself, present a positive attitude,

00:43:15.880 whether you feel that way or not.

00:43:18.480 For example, so several months ago I went and I bought a new car,

00:43:21.740 and the guy at the dealership who sold it, he was great, he was energetic,

00:43:26.180 he was informative, he was friendly, great salesman.

00:43:29.240 How was he actually feeling in the moment when I was interacting with him?

00:43:32.680 I have no idea.

00:43:33.840 It was the end of the day.

00:43:34.760 It was like 30 minutes from closing when I walked in.

00:43:38.740 And usually I don't like to do that, but this is the only time I had available.

00:43:43.180 And so I'm sure he wanted to go home.

00:43:46.080 He could have been having a bad day.

00:43:47.560 He could have been tired.

00:43:48.360 He could have been hungry, whatever.

00:43:50.080 He didn't exhibit any of that.

00:43:52.460 He didn't make me feel bad for being there.

00:43:55.940 He did his job.

00:43:57.220 He had the right attitude.

00:43:58.700 And he sold a car that was, well, not exactly cheap.

00:44:02.960 Now, compare that to the typical fast food experience these days, right?

00:44:07.700 I just had this the other day.

00:44:09.000 It's like we've all been through this many times.

00:44:10.900 Go to McDonald's because it was late and there was nowhere else to go.

00:44:14.340 And I pull in, and the girl comes on the drive-through intercom, 0.87

00:44:18.060 and she's like, can I help you?

00:44:20.300 Yeah, can I get a number one, please?

00:44:22.320 Is that it?

00:44:23.840 Yeah, thank you.

00:44:25.120 Pull around.

00:44:26.640 Now, clearly doesn't want to be there.

00:44:28.400 Clearly disgruntled, clearly tired and annoyed, upset that I'm even there,

00:44:33.700 like she doesn't want to deal with it.

00:44:34.880 She's mad that I'm even bothering her, making no effort to hide it whatsoever.

00:44:40.080 And she has your attitude, right?

00:44:42.800 She's not going to pretend to be happy for my sake.

00:44:44.820 That's her attitude. 1.00

00:44:45.520 Hey, I don't want to be here.

00:44:47.020 I'm not going to pretend for you.

00:44:48.080 Who are you?

00:44:50.160 And that's fine if she wants to be that way.

00:44:52.840 She'll either learn to change her approach,

00:44:55.200 or the McDonald's drive-through is the farthest she's ever going to make it in life.

00:44:59.180 It will be the peak of her career.

00:45:01.180 This thing that she hates doing is all she will ever be able to do,

00:45:05.140 unless she learns how to pretend that she likes doing it.

00:45:08.720 There's the paradox.

00:45:11.160 The car salesman, very successful at what he does,

00:45:13.700 making nice commissions,

00:45:15.740 making exponentially more than the McDonald's worker is, I can tell you that.

00:45:20.060 But it's really your choice.

00:45:21.200 You know, it doesn't, somebody else wants,

00:45:23.200 if you want to have the attitude of a failure and be a failure, that's your decision.

00:45:27.060 It doesn't really harm me or affect me either way.

00:45:30.260 I'm just telling you what it takes to be successful.

00:45:32.320 Take it or leave it.

00:45:33.360 Well, it's Thursday, which means it's time for a new episode of Convicting a Murderer.

00:45:36.900 We've gone over mountains of evidence in this series,

00:45:39.000 and now we're going to talk about the most controversial point that was covered in Making a Murderer,

00:45:43.800 Brendan Dassey.

00:45:44.640 For some reason, people bought into the idea that police manipulated Brendan into giving a false confession,

00:45:49.840 despite the fact that he provided gruesome details about the crime.

00:45:53.600 Well, Brendan was manipulated, but it wasn't by the police.

00:45:56.580 Take a look.

00:45:58.000 Coming up on Convicting a Murderer.

00:46:00.000 Everybody knew they were not journalists.

00:46:02.000 They were making a documentary.

00:46:03.880 They had their angle.

00:46:05.100 Once you start to examine the facts of the case,

00:46:07.340 and not just the docu-series interpretation of the facts,

00:46:10.440 you realize that, yeah, he was manipulated,

00:46:12.640 but it certainly wasn't by the cops.

00:46:15.600 Don't go for a pre-bargain or this and that.

00:46:18.700 Yeah.

00:46:19.160 Because you do that, then you're hurting more of you guys.

00:46:22.100 He chose to listen to that and not accept the pleas.

00:46:25.340 One of Stephen's more surprising allegations came in the form of a letter

00:46:29.180 that Stephen wrote nearly six years after his trial.

00:46:31.940 To put the case against me that I murdered Teresa Holbaugh.

00:46:36.180 How does it make you feel?

00:46:37.360 It makes me pretty mad.

00:46:38.400 Why would he want to blame it on me?

00:46:39.760 He knew the right decisions to make, could have saved her, and didn't.

00:46:44.720 Chose not to.

00:46:45.720 He was the one person that could have saved her.

00:47:09.760 Describe today.

00:47:11.060 Now let's get to our daily cancellation.

00:47:18.520 As you, of course, remember, the supposed murder of George Floyd

00:47:21.740 was a wonderful occasion for the media.

00:47:23.720 Rarely have they been able to manufacture a story so potent and so useful.

00:47:27.860 It was great for ratings.

00:47:29.320 It was even better for the narrative.

00:47:30.860 They could push left-wing talking points while also raking in the advertising dollars.

00:47:33.980 It was the best of both worlds.

00:47:35.180 They loved it.

00:47:35.740 So it's understandable in a certain way that the media has been trying desperately ever since then

00:47:40.700 to recapture that same magic, to ignite the spark.

00:47:44.660 The spark that ultimately burned down entire city blocks all around the country.

00:47:48.420 And they've been looking for their new George Floyd.

00:47:50.460 All they've been able to find, at best, though, are, you know, little George Floyd juniors.

00:47:55.860 But they keep searching.

00:47:56.740 They keep trying their best to fabricate stories that might be as ideologically and monetarily profitable

00:48:02.140 as the one they told about Blessed Saint George Floyd.

00:48:05.940 And they have tried again with the latest BLM martyr, a man named Leonard Cure. 0.85

00:48:10.520 This past Monday, Cure was shot and killed by a deputy in Camden County, Georgia,

00:48:14.320 after he was pulled over for a traffic stop.

00:48:17.220 There are only three pieces of information about this incident that the media wants you to focus on

00:48:22.520 or wants you to know at all.

00:48:24.320 And this is the first piece, that Cure was shot during a traffic stop.

00:48:28.060 The second is that Cure was black. 0.80

00:48:29.660 And the third is that he was recently exonerated and released from prison

00:48:33.260 after serving 16 years on an armed robbery charge.

00:48:37.940 Here's the New York Times with those details.

00:48:40.080 Quote, Mr. Cure was convicted of the armed robbery of a Walgreens in Broward County in 2003.

00:48:45.060 And was sentenced to life in prison because of prior convictions.

00:48:47.380 In 2020, the Broward State Attorney's Office Conviction Review Unit

00:48:50.460 asked a judge to release Mr. Cure after the unit found problems with the case,

00:48:54.720 according to the South Florida Sun Sentinel.

00:48:56.920 These concerns included how a suspect was identified and the fact that an alibi for Mr. Cure

00:49:02.480 was never presented in court.

00:49:04.020 Mr. Cure was released, and in December 2020, he was exonerated based on findings of actual innocence,

00:49:09.140 the Innocence Project of Florida said.

00:49:11.080 Officials had determined that evidence in the form of an ATM receipt

00:49:13.480 had proven that Mr. Cure was miles from the crime scene at the time of the robbery.

00:49:17.500 Now, if Mr. Cure was falsely convicted, that's very unfortunate.

00:49:25.420 It's also not relevant at all to what happened during the traffic stop on Monday.

00:49:29.960 The officer didn't know about that history, and even if he had,

00:49:32.700 it wouldn't have changed anything in the moment.

00:49:35.440 And yet, nearly every media headline on this shooting is framed like this.

00:49:39.660 This is from the same New York Times article.

00:49:41.400 This is the headline.

00:49:41.840 Here's NPR.

00:49:47.960 You get the idea.

00:50:01.040 Let's take the least relevant facts and put it in the headline.

00:50:04.800 That's the strategy.

00:50:06.300 This is how the narrative is cemented before anyone even knows exactly what happened or why.

00:50:11.160 And local media, of course, is on the same page.

00:50:14.080 Here's how they're covering the story.

00:50:15.320 Watch.

00:50:16.500 Tonight, those who knew Leonard Cure tell Eleven Alive that they're still in disbelief tonight.

00:50:21.280 Eleven Alive's Cody Alcorn picks up our team coverage tonight from downtown Atlanta.

00:50:25.300 He's live outside of the Georgia Innocence Project.

00:50:27.840 And Cody, how did that nonprofit and Leonard Cure cross paths?

00:50:33.820 Jennifer and Ron, shortly after being released in April 2020, Leonard moved to Georgia,

00:50:40.200 where he became part of Georgia Innocent Project's free and exonerated community.

00:50:47.960 Turn around.

00:50:48.960 17 days before Leonard Cure was shot during a traffic stop in Camden County, the 53-year-old

00:50:55.640 who trusted in a wrongful arrest before and wasn't released for 16 years

00:51:02.660 spoke to a group of students at Jonesboro High School.

00:51:05.800 One of the things that he really harped on when he spoke to the students.

00:51:10.800 During his original arrest in 2003...

00:51:13.760 He was very compliant with the police.

00:51:16.200 Christian Stegall helped prep Leonard for his speech, really getting to know him.

00:51:20.500 I can only imagine what was going through his mind when he was pulled over again.

00:51:26.040 So that's all we need to know, right? 0.65

00:51:27.440 He was a black man, wrongfully convicted. 0.74

00:51:29.300 He was going around and giving talks to high school students.

00:51:31.420 Clearly, his death is a great injustice and outrage.

00:51:33.960 Who cares about the actual details?

00:51:36.160 Well, the ACLU of Florida certainly doesn't.

00:51:38.160 They tweeted yesterday, Leonard Cure was incarcerated for a crime he didn't commit for 16 years

00:51:42.300 before getting his life snatched from him by a cop.

00:51:44.880 Modern policing is rooted in slavery and rotten to the core.

00:51:48.780 The Southern Poverty Law Center agrees, posting,

00:51:50.720 SPLC is deeply saddened by the tragic loss of Leonard Cure in Camden County, Georgia.

00:51:54.920 We urgently call for a transformation in policing that honors every individual's rights.

00:51:58.460 The ongoing anti-blackness in policing must end.

00:52:01.260 Every leader must act for justice and accountability.

00:52:04.100 So, anti-blackness in policing.

00:52:05.800 Modern policing is rooted in slavery.

00:52:07.100 Leonard Cure was just released from prison.

00:52:08.640 He was a nice man.

00:52:09.660 His friends and family loved him.

00:52:11.200 We've heard a lot of things, but we haven't heard what actually happened. 1.00

00:52:14.800 And if you're a credulous moron, a member of the brainless mob, 1.00

00:52:17.500 then you have enough information to have already formed an opinion 1.00

00:52:19.660 because it's the opinion the media has formed for you.

00:52:22.980 But if you have a working brain that functions independently from the hive mind,

00:52:26.500 then you may be interested to see the footage of the altercation

00:52:30.160 which the Camden County Sheriff's Office has released.

00:52:33.520 Here it is.

00:52:34.320 Step out!

00:52:37.100 Get out! 0.98

00:52:39.920 Get out! 0.98

00:52:41.740 Put your hands back here. 0.97

00:52:43.120 I ain't doing s***. 1.00

00:52:44.700 Put your damn hands back here. 1.00

00:52:47.300 Who are you? 1.00

00:52:48.360 Staff Sergeant Officer Sheriff's Office.

00:52:49.840 My name is John Wayne.

00:52:51.300 I don't care.

00:52:52.060 Step to the rear of this vehicle.

00:52:53.980 In the name of who?

00:52:55.500 In the name of the law of the state of Georgia.

00:52:58.140 Step back here.

00:52:59.080 Now you're getting tased.

00:53:00.280 Watch me now.

00:53:06.880 Put your hands on the back of that truck.

00:53:08.700 Do you see that?

00:53:09.640 Put your hands on the back of that truck.

00:53:12.260 The back of the state.

00:53:13.580 Both hands.

00:53:16.200 Turn around.

00:53:17.040 34 Camden, send me another unit.

00:53:22.420 One non-compliant.

00:53:25.720 Your name is Officer who?

00:53:29.760 Staff Sergeant Aldridge with the Camden County Sheriff's Office.

00:53:32.820 Who County?

00:53:33.640 Camden County.

00:53:34.420 Put your hand behind your back.

00:53:35.640 Do I have a warrant?

00:53:37.100 Wait, wait.

00:53:37.580 No, no, no, no.

00:53:38.140 No, no, no, no.

00:53:38.940 Excuse me.

00:53:39.560 Excuse me.

00:53:40.100 Put your hands behind your back or you're getting tased.

00:53:42.640 I'm telling you that right now.

00:53:44.120 Why am I getting tased?

00:53:44.980 Because you are under arrest for speeding and reckless driving.

00:53:47.740 I'm not driving.

00:53:48.680 Nobody was hurt.

00:53:49.660 How was I speeding?

00:53:50.480 You passed me doing 100 miles an hour.

00:53:52.820 Okay, so that's a speeding ticket, right?

00:53:55.480 Okay, let's pause it there for a moment.

00:53:58.340 How was I speeding, he asks, after going 100 miles an hour.

00:54:01.340 Uh, and I know it's not really funny, but there is, it's a little funny, that part of the exchange.

00:54:10.300 How was I speeding?

00:54:11.020 You were going 100 miles an hour.

00:54:12.820 Oh, well, yeah.

00:54:15.000 Except for going 100 miles an hour, how was I speeding?

00:54:18.180 In the state of Georgia and in pretty much every other state, going 100 miles an hour is a crime.

00:54:22.220 It's reckless driving.

00:54:22.840 And there's good reason to prosecute it as a crime, because at that speed, the likelihood of getting into an accident is very high, and the likelihood that everyone involved will die is nearly 100%.

00:54:31.560 Okay, going 100 miles an hour down the road, and you come up against traffic that has slowed down, someone, you know, cuts in front of you, anything like that, you're not going to have the time to react, and you're going to kill everybody involved in the accident.

00:54:43.200 That's why it's a crime.

00:54:44.120 The point here is that Cure is being pulled over and arrested for committing a crime, and a dangerous crime at that.

00:54:51.180 All he has to do now, all he should do, all that any rational and halfway decent person would do, is cooperate and accept the consequences of your actions.

00:54:59.740 That's it.

00:55:00.580 You broke the law, you got caught, game over.

00:55:04.920 That's really your only viable choice.

00:55:06.760 It's also the right choice.

00:55:08.600 But it wasn't Leonard Cure's choice.

00:55:11.580 Let's keep watching.

00:55:12.400 Sir, tickets in the state of Georgia are criminal offenses.

00:55:16.200 I don't have a ticket in Georgia.

00:55:17.720 You do now?

00:55:18.540 Why?

00:55:19.420 You passed me doing 100 miles an hour.

00:55:21.280 I'm not going to jail.

00:55:22.360 Hands behind your back.

00:55:23.560 Yes, you are going to jail.

00:55:26.260 Hands behind your back.

00:55:30.000 Put your hands behind your back.

00:55:31.740 Put your hands behind your back. 1.00

00:55:42.400 Yeah, b***h. 1.00

00:55:54.280 Yeah, b***h. 1.00

00:56:00.500 Okay, so let's review. 0.79

00:56:03.340 Leonard Cure decided to go 100 miles an hour.

00:56:05.360 He got pulled over.

00:56:06.100 The officer tried to arrest him for the crime he just committed.

00:56:08.560 Cure was uncooperative from the very start.

00:56:10.780 Cure refused to do as he was told.

00:56:11.980 The officer tried to use a taser, but then Cure assaulted him.

00:56:14.220 The officer tried wrestling Cure to the ground.

00:56:15.900 Then he tried using a baton.

00:56:17.360 Cure kept assaulting him.

00:56:18.760 Finally, the officer used his gun, and Cure stopped assaulting him.

00:56:22.260 If you're keeping track at home, the officer used literally every non-lethal means at his disposal

00:56:28.080 before finally resorting to lethal means.

00:56:31.740 He even continued using non-lethal means while he was being physically attacked.

00:56:35.600 Personally, if I have any objection to the way the officer conducted himself is that he was far too nice. 0.65

00:56:41.620 He should have shot him sooner. 0.99

00:56:43.980 If I was in that position, I would have shot him dead the second he put his hands on me. 0.99

00:56:48.520 But then again, the officer knows from the moment a black suspect starts being non-compliant that he's in a lose-lose situation. 0.98

00:56:56.340 He's fully aware that if he has to defend himself, his life will be destroyed and he might go to prison. 0.78

00:57:00.880 And if he doesn't defend himself, he might be killed on the spot.

00:57:03.880 Which means that even while a cop is literally fighting for his life,

00:57:08.920 he has to be thinking about how this will look on camera after the fact.

00:57:14.200 I mean, it's insane that police have been put in that position, but that's the position they're in.

00:57:17.700 And with all that in mind, I think this officer threaded the impossible needle in a rather admirable way.

00:57:25.420 But none of that matters to the mob or the media, or for that matter, the family members who have this to say.

00:57:30.520 Watch.

00:57:30.780 Cure's family believes there was no de-escalation on either side.

00:57:36.280 It was excitement met with excitement.

00:57:39.940 And result, I still believe in my heart, and I know in my heart my brother should be alive.

00:57:44.280 Cure's family and his family attorney, Ben Krupp, held a press conference Wednesday, which is when they saw the video.

00:57:50.440 Cure's mother says she feels her son was paranoid from already being wrongfully incarcerated, spending more than 16 years in prison.

00:57:59.560 I can tell you this. 0.98

00:58:00.920 There was nothing so bad that he deserved to die. 0.76

00:58:03.500 Yes, there was, ma'am.

00:58:06.680 He physically assaulted a police officer who was simply trying to do his job and enforce the law.

00:58:10.580 In fact, he continued assaulting a police officer while three different types of non-lethal measures were used.

00:58:16.240 He did everything in his power to get shot by a cop, and he was.

00:58:19.620 So did he deserve it?

00:58:20.620 Yes.

00:58:21.000 Okay, he didn't deserve to die.

00:58:24.320 Yes, he did.

00:58:26.320 The same way you deserve to get shocked if you stick a fork in an electrical outlet.

00:58:31.000 You deserve the logical and inevitable consequences of your actions.

00:58:35.060 If you don't deserve that, then what does the word deserve mean?

00:58:38.360 You know, maybe rather than doing a press conference with that ambulance-chasing parasite Ben Crump and throwing a police officer under the bus for simply doing his job, maybe you should be reflecting on how your son turned out this way.

00:58:52.660 Keep in mind that he was a habitual criminal convicted of multiple crimes before his arrest in 2003.

00:58:57.400 So, some introspection from the family is in order, but instead, as usual, they cast blame everywhere else.

00:59:07.760 Now, that said, I agree with Cure's brother.

00:59:09.920 He says that he knows in his heart that Leonard should still be alive, and he's absolutely right.

00:59:13.900 He should still be alive.

00:59:16.120 He threw his own life away for nothing.

00:59:19.200 First going 100 miles an hour, then viciously assaulting a police officer.

00:59:22.760 This man had a death wish.

00:59:23.940 At the very least, he was ambivalent about his own existence.

00:59:28.880 He didn't value his life or his freedom.

00:59:33.520 You know, we keep hearing about, well, he didn't want to go back to prison.

00:59:36.880 So, why are you doing something that assures you will go back to prison?

00:59:40.120 The minute you start assaulting the cop, best case scenario is you go to prison.

00:59:46.060 That's the best case. 0.84

00:59:47.800 Worst case is you die.

00:59:50.260 There is no other potential outcome.

00:59:53.940 So, if he didn't want to go back to prison, why was he doing a thing that would ensure with absolute certainty that, at best, he goes back to prison?

01:00:06.200 In fact, the officer he attacked valued Cure's life more than Cure did.

01:00:10.900 He was clearly more committed to keeping the man alive than the man himself was.

01:00:17.460 Why didn't Cure believe that his own life mattered?

01:00:20.000 Why was he willing to throw it all away for nothing?

01:00:22.600 By making a series of choices that could have nothing but negative outcomes for him?

01:00:26.360 Well, that would be a worthwhile conversation.

01:00:31.560 One that we should eventually get around to having.

01:00:34.480 But instead, we're stuck in fantasy land pretending that a bunch of violent, suicidal criminals are somehow victims of a racist conspiracy.

01:00:41.060 And this, of course, is the fantasy land that the media has constructed.

01:00:45.340 And it's why they are, today, finally canceled.

01:00:50.500 That'll do it for the show today.

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The Matt Walsh Show - October 19, 2023

Ep. 1246 - A Trump Supporter Was Just Sent To Federal Prison For A Meme

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