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The Matt Walsh Show
- November 13, 2018
Ep. 142 - Pope Francis Is No Reformer
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Today on the Matt Wall Show, police are investigating an inappropriate photo taken by
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high school boys. Is that really a police matter? Also, Democrats are bailing on their plans to
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impeach Kavanaugh. Big surprise there. And the Vatican is yet again stepping in to prevent
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reforms in the church. What does that tell us about Pope Francis? We'll talk about all that next.
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Maybe you heard about this story. A bunch of high school students in Wisconsin, at Baraboo
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High School in Wisconsin, they were getting together for their junior prom. I think this
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was back last spring, and we're just now talking about it for some reason. But they're getting
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together for their junior prom, and before the prom, they were taking a picture, and whoever
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took whoever was the one snapping the photo, suggested that they make what appears to be
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the Nazi salute. And so they did that, and the picture was taken of these kids doing the
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Nazi salute. And somehow, months later, this ends up going viral, and it's headline news.
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It's on CNN. It's on all the news channels. Everyone's talking about it. Everyone is saying,
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well, this shows where we are as a society, that this is an epidemic, this is a crisis.
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And now we're told that the police, a police department in Wisconsin, the local police
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department, they are assisting the school district in investigating the photo. There is now a police
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investigation of inappropriate hand gestures made by high school students in a junior prom photo.
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And the crazy thing is that I've seen this reported at several different places. I've seen it on social
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media about the police investigation. And from what I've seen, almost nobody is pointing out
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how crazy that is for the police to be. Nobody is even questioning. Like, is that really a police
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matter? What crime is committed here? It's a stupid, ugly, offensive photograph that these kids took,
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and they should be in trouble with the school. They should be, they should, they should get detention
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at, at, at the very least. If we want to talk about suspensions, well, that's up to the school
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district to decide. But clearly there should be some, there should be some penalties, even though this
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didn't happen on school property. Um, but what, what's the police's role here? What, what, what, what,
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what are they going to pull each one of these kids in, have them in the interrogation room,
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do the good cop, bad cop routine to investigate what we already know what they did. You could see
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the photo. Yes. They, it appears they made the Nazi salute. Yes. That is offensive. Yes. It's ugly.
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Yes. It's stupid. Yes. It's outrageous. And you know something. And I just want to, I want to tell
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you something about, about, uh, high school boy boys here. This is something that apparently a lot of
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people seem to forget or seem not to realize somehow that, um, it's a, it's a stupid, offensive,
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outrageous, bad thing. That's why the high school boys did it because they think it's funny. Okay.
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So if they get it into their heads, that something will be really offensive and will cause, cause a
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ruckus and will upset people. They're going to do it for that reason. Not because they, they
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are expressing support for Nazi ideology. Maybe some of these kids, maybe some of these 16 year
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old boys really are dyed in the wool Nazis, but I tend to doubt it. I think most likely none of them
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are Nazis. I think most likely if they were, you know, none of them are attending neo-Nazi rallies or
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anything like that. I think that's very likely that none of them are in that category. They just
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realize that it's an offensive thing. And so in their teenage boy brain, they say to themselves,
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this is offensive. So it's going to be funny. And so they do it. That that's the calculation
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that teenage boys make. It's not appropriate. It's immature. They should be taught a lesson.
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Uh, they should be disciplined by the school, but it's not a crime. It's not headline news for
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goodness sakes. And it's not something that everyone in the country needs to be concerned about.
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And it's also not something that we can take and extrapolate from that some sort of national
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emergency. But that of course is what the left is doing. And they're saying, well, this, you know,
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you start getting the hot takes and the think pieces about, you see, this shows you what's really
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going on in white America and that they're all a bunch of Nazis. It shows, it shows you no such
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thing. All it shows you is the immature calculations of this, of a 16 year old boy's brain. And again,
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that calculation is offensive, stupid equals funny. That's the calculus. It's a very simple calculus.
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And, um, oftentimes it can lead high school boys in bad directions. I I'm going to tell you something,
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and I don't mean to scandalize anybody here, but I, this is actually not the first time high school
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boys have made inappropriate hand gestures in a photograph. It's not the first time high school
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boys have foot have, have, have taken photographs doing inappropriate things in general. This is a
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favorite pastime of high school boys because they think it's funny. That doesn't make it right. That
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doesn't mean they shouldn't be disciplined, but it does mean that it's insane for the police to be
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involved. And it does mean that there is no reason whatsoever for this to be national news,
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because this is something we should, we should all already know about high school boys. Okay. Um,
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I'm not supporting the photograph. I am simply saying that it's, it's maybe a little bit of
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proportionality could, could come in handy here. You know, we, we, we have very little, we have,
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we have a lot of trouble keeping things, having a proportional view of things and, um, whatever the
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latest controversy is, we, we automatically said, well, this is the most important thing in the world
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right now. And everything is a crisis. Everything is an emergency. Everything is a symptom of some
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greater problem and blah, blah, blah. Uh, we have no understanding of human nature. We especially have
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no understanding of the ways that of, of, of the way that teenage boys operate. We just, we, we, we,
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have lost all sense of that altogether. And, um, and so it leads to absurdities like this. So I think
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everyone just needs to calm down. All right. Um, something else I wanted to, uh, one other quick thing
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before I get to the, to the meat of, um, the discussion today, Democrats in the house are
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now saying that they're not going to try to impeach Brett Kavanaugh, the man that they claim
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is a serial rapist. Representative Nadler, who's the ranking Democrat in the house judiciary committee
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told CNN state of the union on Sunday that he does not plan to go down that road. Of course,
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he's not going to go down that road because he knows that there's nothing down that road for them
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to find except for more embarrassment and, and for themselves. Um, obviously the, the, the democratic
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witch hunt against Brett Kavanaugh did hurt the Democrats in the midterms, especially in the
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Senate, but it did hurt them nearly as much as it should have. I mean, we don't know exactly how much
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it hurt them, what it, what the results would have been had they not gone through that whole smear
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campaign, but I think it's clear that it did, but not as much as it should have. Um, almost the entire
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Democrat party, uh, on the federal level was complicit in this scheme to take these fabricated
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allegations and destroy a man's life or try to anyway, just to keep them off the Supreme court.
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As I've been saying now for weeks, it's, it was one of the most dishonest, um, smear campaigns
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that I think we have ever seen in American political history. And I, and I know that that is
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saying quite a bit, but I also think that it's true in this case. And therefore the consequences
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for the Democrats should have been, um, far reaching and long lasting, but they really aren't.
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You know, they, they're suffering some consequences, but not nearly to the extent and the level that
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they should suffer those consequences. And this is the problem I think with the way things work now
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is that we move on from things so quickly, partly because of the story I mentioned right at the
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top that there's a lot of stories like that. These, these stupid irrelevant stories that have
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no relevance to anyone's life outside of the, uh, outside of the individuals actually concerned
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in the story itself, but no relevance to anyone else. There's really nothing for any of any of us
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to say about it other than to wag our fingers and say, well, that's not good. I mean, that's all you
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can read. That's all the analysis that is necessary or that can really be offered is you shouldn't do
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that. Okay. Let's move on. Um, but there's, there is a never ending supply of those kinds of dumb
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stories. So we're always just moving on to the next thing. Even if the thing that we're on right
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now is actually important and, and we should spend more time talking about it. We can't because,
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you know, a high school boy made an inappropriate hand gesture. So we, so we got to move on to the next
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thing. And we, we should, we should, we should be clear about this, that our, um, capacity, our,
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our willingness to always move on to the next thing, to, to never really hold anyone accountable
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anymore. Uh, this, this is not, this does not stem from forgiveness. I wish that I could say that
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it did, you know, that it was at least well-intentioned. So we're a very forgiving people. So that's why,
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yeah, the Democrats orchestrated this terrible campaign and they're, you know, they, they, um,
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they conspired amongst themselves to take these fabricated allegations, so on and so forth.
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Um, I, I wish that we could say, well, well, yes, well, we just, we, we, we, we forgive them for
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that. Now I don't think we should forgive them for that, but at least I could say, well, then it's
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at least well-intentioned, but that's, this is not forgiveness. This is just, nobody can stay focused
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on it. We have the, we just don't have the attention span for it anymore. And that's why I think that,
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um, we may be living in a time where career ending political scandals no longer exist. I think we
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may be living in a way we're living in a post scandal society because anyone could basically
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survive any scandal if they managed to hang on through the initial storm for, you know, a few days,
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if they can just hang on through that, which, which, which indeed can be a very intense time
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because when we are focused on a particular story, we're extremely focused on sometimes too focused
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on it. Uh, but then we can't, it doesn't last. It's just a bright burning star and, and it just
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goes away. It explodes. It goes away very quickly. Um, Trump is famous for saying that he could shoot a
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guy on fifth Avenue and his supporters would stick by him. Well, I think that's true of pretty much
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everyone these days. Uh, you know, nobody has the capacity to continue caring about something for
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more than four or five days. So I think it's true of pretty much, pretty much any politician can
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survive any scandal. It's not just, it's not just Trump. It could shoot a guy on fifth Avenue. It's,
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it's any other politician could. And, uh, because we're just going to move on and forget about it and
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move on to the next thing. And this, I think segues nicely into the, the main, uh, topic that I'd
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like to discuss because somebody else in the world has benefited greatly from this dynamic
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recently. And that would be Pope Francis. Now in another time, in another era, I think we would
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still be talking about the fact that the Pope was accused in writing in detail by an archbishop
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and former high ranking Vatican official of personally and deliberately ignoring and even
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helping to cover up the sexual predations of a high ranking cardinal. That is a huge story
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that in a, in a, in a different decade, in a different era, we would still be talking about
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that even though it's been a few months, um, since it originally came out. It is, even if we don't
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treat it like it, it is one of the biggest stories of the decade easily. And, and without, without
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question, the biggest religious news story in a very long time, whether you're a Catholic or not,
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the Pope is an extremely powerful man, an extremely influential figure, and he's the head of a
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religion that claims over a billion adherents. So this is big stuff. This is big news. And then
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Vigano, Archbishop Vigano, um, the man who wrote the original letter, he's, he's gone on to write
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several more letters that have gotten no attention whatsoever, but he's elaborated on his accusations
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and given more detail, provided more detail. So these are credible, documented allegations,
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uh, that he, that he is, he is not backed down from, he swears by them. And to this day, the Pope
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has not answered the accusations. He has not responded. He has not denied them. He hasn't said
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anything about them other than to accuse those of us who want answers of essentially being in league
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with the devil. That's what he said. Just the regular, regular lay Catholics who are concerned about
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this and who would like to know what's going on. We are, we, you know, we are victimizing him. We're
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victimizing the Pope. That's, that's essentially what Pope Francis has said multiple times. And now,
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um, and now the story yesterday, um,
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is that, well, we should back up for a minute. There's a, there's a, a U S bishops conference
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happening in Baltimore, um, as we speak. And it was scheduled for November 12th to, uh, to November 14th.
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And what the bishops were supposed to be doing is, um, they're supposed to come up with,
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you know, come up with a strategy to deal with the scandals and to deal with all the sex crimes in
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the church and everything. It's supposed to come up with a new code of conduct. Um, they were supposed
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to develop a, a body of, of people to investigate bishops accused of misconduct. And it was supposed
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to be a lay led body. That is a body that is led not by other bishops, but by lay people.
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And so they had a whole agenda of things that they were supposed to be doing, um, during this
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conference, actual results, right? An actual strategy, a plan. And people who are cynical,
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like myself, we already doubted. Um, we, we were very skeptical that they would actually come forward
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with any kind of real, uh, solid active plan to address the problem. But now we know that
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there's not going to be any plan because orders came from on high orders came from the Vatican,
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um, to cancel the vote that the bishops were supposed to hold on sex abuse reform measures.
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The Vatican has now told the bishops not to have any vote on it and not to come up with any plan,
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uh, or at least not to vote on any plan, not to institute anything. He would, they were told to
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cancel it. And the story is, well, they're going to meet again in a few months, uh, you know, over in
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Rome. And then maybe then they'll come up with a plan. I mean, this is, it's, it's, it's absolutely
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incredible. I mean, you see how, just how angry people are, especially ordinary lay Catholics
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demanding answers. And so finally the bishops are getting together. They're supposed to come
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up with a plan. And then the Vatican swoops in at the last minute and says, come up, don't come up
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with a plan. Actually no plan. Um, now I suppose it's a good time to mention that there's going to
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be a rally in Baltimore this afternoon to coincide with the bishops conference, which is, which is
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still ongoing, even though there's no point of the bishops conference anymore, because what's the
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point? Why do they all get together if they're not going to come up with a plan, but there is going
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to be a rally to protest, uh, the scandal and corruption in the church and to demand a plan
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to demand answers, accountability. I'm going to be speaking at the rally. Uh, I have a lot to say
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about it. I'm not going to give my speech here, but I will say my gloves are off, even though my
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gloves are off. I never have gloves on. My gloves are always off as I'm sure you've noticed.
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Um, so I'm not going to, I won't get into the whole diatribe here. I'll save that for,
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for the rally, but I will say this Pope Francis was sold to us, um, by the media as a reformer,
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you know, as a guy who would get in there and do things differently and, uh, and clear the deck
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and all that stuff. And he is no such thing. Pope Francis for, for, for all of the, despite
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despite his reputation as this, you know, as this, uh, Pope who goes by the beat of his own drum
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and isn't afraid of controversy and all that stuff, despite that he is no reformer. He is
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a defender of the status quo. That's, that's what Pope Francis will really go down in history as
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is a, he is a, a valiant defender of the status quo. And that's a huge problem because the status quo
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in the church right now and in the hierarchy is terrible, but that's what he's interested in
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is defending it and keeping it in place.
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And as, as, as we have found out, according to Vigano, um, not just keeping it in place, but making
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it worse, taking, um, some of the most corrupt cardinals in the world, like McCarrick and in,
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in, in, in, rescuing them from obscurity to, from the obscurity that he had been, he had been
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exiled to by Benedict, plucking him out of that obscurity and installing him back into positions
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of, uh, of power and influence in the church. That's what Pope Francis has done. And it is shameful
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and it is disgraceful. So Catholics are left wondering, what are they to do? And, uh, and to
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anyone who is not a Catholic, I think it may be helpful for you to understand just how this all
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breaks down because if people ask me all the time, they don't really understand the dynamics of,
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of, uh, of the church and, you know, how Catholics deal with this and what we're allowed to say about
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it. Well, we're allowed to say whatever we want about it. Um, but there are, I should tell you,
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there are a few schools of thoughts among Catholics with respect to how we should approach this issue
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and how we should approach, uh, the Pope and how we should frame our criticisms of him or whether we
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should criticize him at all. So there are a few schools of thought and I'll tell you what the
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schools are. Um, the first school of thought is more of a school of unthought. It's a school of
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no thought. And these are the Catholics who don't really care, don't know what's going on. Don't have
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any clue. Uh, couldn't care less. And this is probably the largest school in Catholicism, at least
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in America, just as it's the largest school in every group, every religion, every demographic,
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every denomination, the largest group's always going to be the, uh, the, the unthinking lemmings
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who just go along with the flow. And there are plenty of those among Catholics. The next group
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would be people who, who love Francis and love what he's doing. They love his liberalizing approach.
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And so they're willing to overlook or deny or outright lie about the things that Francis
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is doing wrong. And they will. And, and, and what I've discovered, especially recently is that these
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people are, are especially shameless. They, they, uh, they will make absolute fools of themselves.
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So for instance, Pope Francis is, is accused credibly of, of doing this horrible thing,
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helping to cover up these crimes and sins of a high ranking cardinal refuses to say anything to this
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day has, has, has remained silent. Well, the Pope's liberal defenders have tied themselves into
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pretzels, trying to justify the Pope's silence and trying to kind of, um, trying to sort of
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intellectualize and moralize his silence. So if you go online, you can find these, these beautifully
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written, but totally bogus and ridiculous explanations by liberal Catholics, trying to, trying to,
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to, to, to, to show us the real meaning behind Pope Francis's silence. His silence is, no, it's not,
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it's not cowardly science, silence. Um, it's not the silence of a, of a man who just doesn't care
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that, um, that the people in his church are, are, are severely distraught over all this. No,
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it's not the silence of that. It's not the silence of uncaring. It's not the silence of cowardice.
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It's, it's a courageous silence. It is a, it is a prayerful, uh, deep, profound silence. You know,
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so we have to, it is, it is, it is, it is like the, or, or, or another thing they'll say is it's like
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the silence, um, of Jesus when he was questioned by Herod. Now, both of these explanations are terrible.
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The first one is just stupid. The second one is to, is to suggest, well, you're, you're making Pope
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Francis Jesus in this scenario. And then Herod is who Herod are, so the lay Catholics who just want
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an explanation or want to know what's going on there, they're Herod now you're comparing them to
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Herod. Um, so there's that group. And then the next group are people who, uh, who, who believe that
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it's their duty as Catholics to defend the Pope, not Francis specifically, but the Pope, whoever it
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is, the papacy. Um, they believe that it's improper, if not sinful to publicly criticize church
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leadership. Um, they know that the Pope is not infallible in all of his pronouncements and that
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Popes have only issued infallible decrees very rarely in the history of the church. And then only on
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matters of preexistent doctrine. In other words, not to invent new doctrine, but to re-affirm, reinforce
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re-affirm, codify existent doctrine. So they know that, but they feel kind of instinctively that
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they're called to support everything the Pope does anyway. And they're very uncomfortable with
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the idea of criticizing them. And so there are people like that in the church. The next group are
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people who, um, won't defend the Pope, but do feel that it's their duty to remain silent, obediently,
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and say nothing. So there's that group as well. And then there's the next school of thought.
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This is where I am situated. And, uh, in that group, there are those who have great respect
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for the office, the offices of leadership in the church, but we do not feel called.
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We do not feel obligated to sit silently in the face of corruption. Um, we think that the laity must
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speak up, must make their voices heard, must defend the truth, defend what is right, even if it means
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defending truth and defending rightness against the Pope himself. So if the Pope is threatening what is
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true and what is right, then we defend what is true and right against him, against anyone,
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against anyone who would threaten, against anyone who would deny it, against anyone who would try to
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cover up the truth. So there is that group in the church. And I think it's a group that is growing
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in numbers. And then there's the final group, which, uh, I don't even, you can't really say
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that they're in the church, but there's a group, um, that I'm certainly not a part of a group called
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the set of acentists. And they think that Francis isn't, is not a legitimate Pope. Anyway, we haven't
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had a legitimate Pope in many decades. They say different things about who was the last legitimate Pope.
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They kind of decide, um, they seem to all decide on their own who they think was legitimate and who
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wasn't. But so there's that group as well, more, you know, kind of a fringe group, very small.
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Now the, the sort of unthinking fans of Francis who actively defend him, dishonestly defend him,
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no matter what, I have no respect for that position. I find it disgraceful, honestly,
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and cowardly, and I have nothing good to say about it. The visceral defenses of the Pope generally,
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of whoever happens to be the Pope, I think this is very much the wrong approach too.
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And it is also less and less tenable in modern times. You know, to me that, that, that mindset,
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um, is it's, it is a holdover from the middle ages and it just doesn't work anymore because,
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you know, back in the old days, if you were a Catholic, um, sitting in a church in Spain or France
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or whatever, you know, hundreds of years ago, you really wouldn't have known what was going on
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in Rome. You wouldn't have known what the Pope was doing, saying, you know, you, you, you would,
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you would have every once in a while, you get a pronouncement, you get a decree, you get whatever.
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Uh, and usually you would hear those pronouncements, they would be read to you in church or something,
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but you would hear them, those things would come out at the conclusion of some kind of controversy,
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some sort of unrest, some sort of dispute. And so you're hearing about the controversy,
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the dispute after it's already been settled. And that's just how it was before the information age.
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Um, but we now live in a time where, um, where we know about all these things. We know what's going
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on. We know what the church is doing. Um, we know about these scandals. We know about the corruption.
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We know about Vigano's testimony. We know all of that. We have that knowledge. We can't pretend we
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don't know it. And I know that there are many people in the church who would like to pretend they
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don't know it, but they can't because we do. And so we have to do something. And it's true that
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there's not, you know, there, there isn't one step that we can take. There's no
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switch that we can flip to fix the problem. But I do think we could start at the very least with,
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with speaking up and making it clear that we are not okay with this. That at the very least is step
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one. And that's what today, the rally in Baltimore is going to be about. So if you're, if you're a local
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and you want to come out to that, um, I hope to see you there. Otherwise I'll talk to everybody
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tomorrow. Godspeed.
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