The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1501 - Daniel Penny Is Not Guilty. Justice Wins In Spite Of New York's Rigged Court System.

00:00:00.000 Today, The Matt Walsh Show, justice prevails against the odds in the Daniel Penny case as he is finally acquitted on charges that never should have been brought in the first place.

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00:02:16.300 We begin with the big breaking news today.

00:02:18.840 In the trial we've been following very closely on this show,

00:02:21.660 Daniel Penny, the man who stepped up to protect a subway car full of passengers from a violent, drug-addled vagrant,

00:02:28.420 has been found not guilty.

00:02:30.320 So he is a free man.

00:02:32.280 Justice has prevailed.

00:02:33.960 In spite of all that was stacked against him in a trial that never should have happened,

00:02:37.380 Daniel Penny will walk free.

00:02:40.420 He should be awarded the Medal of Freedom for the courage he showed on that train that day,

00:02:44.960 and maybe with Trump coming in, that may still happen.

00:02:47.980 But for now, he'll have to settle for, if not the Medal of Freedom, then freedom itself.

00:02:53.380 Here's Newsmax breaking the news.

00:02:55.160 Watch.

00:02:56.560 Emma, this information has just come down from the courtroom.

00:02:59.320 Breaking news.

00:03:00.360 Daniel Penny found not guilty on count two.

00:03:03.620 Unanimously, the jurors decided he is not guilty of negligent homicide.

00:03:08.480 This is the lesser charge that was against those two original charges against him.

00:03:13.780 The manslaughter charge in the second degree was dismissed on Friday.

00:03:18.160 The jurors deliberating this morning and have unanimously decided that Daniel Penny is not guilty on count two.

00:03:24.740 That is negligent homicide.

00:03:26.040 It is a lesser charge, which did carry up to four years in prison, though there was no minimum sentence in this charge.

00:03:34.420 I can hear behind me the protesters are beginning their chance.

00:03:37.580 There are now police vehicles, sirens going off behind me.

00:03:41.460 The energy in the air is very charged.

00:03:44.260 We can expect the—I'm sure you can hear them behind me, the protesters beginning their chance after the jury came down with this verdict.

00:03:51.420 Ultimately, not guilty.

00:03:53.980 This case is not being thrown away.

00:03:56.080 Daniel Penny is now off the hook for these two charges that were against him.

00:03:59.880 We're going to be out here for the rest of the morning to see how this progresses, how the temperature on the street, what exactly happens outside this courthouse, how that progresses as well.

00:04:10.260 As you can already hear, the protesters beginning behind me.

00:04:13.360 But, Emma John, this is massive, huge breaking news in this case.

00:04:16.600 Is Daniel Penny not guilty of negligent homicide, the only charge which was now against him?

00:04:22.740 So this is, of course, a major victory for justice, fairness, the rule of law.

00:04:27.980 But we should not succumb to the temptation to just move on and let bygones be bygones and forget about the injustice and persecution Penny suffered.

00:04:36.240 As if, you know, the not guilty verdict means there's no harm and no foul.

00:04:40.100 Well, Penny's acquittal is a credit to the jury, which ultimately made the right choice in spite of the media pressure and also the violent threats from the crazed mob of BLM protesters outside and around the country.

00:04:52.480 But justice is happening here in spite of the court system in New York, in spite of the corrupt far-left prosecutor and in spite of the judge.

00:05:02.040 So let's go back and review what happened just in the last couple of days before this verdict was decided.

00:05:08.560 Of course, as we've been following this, we've talked about all the corrupt, crazy things that have happened in this trial and before it.

00:05:13.920 But we haven't talked about the most outrageous bit of maneuvering that happened because it happened on Friday.

00:05:22.120 And then we have the verdict this morning.

00:05:26.360 There was an attempt, a rather desperate one at the last minute, to rig this trial once and for all against Penny.

00:05:34.800 It failed, but we should remember it and we should talk about it.

00:05:39.620 And before we do, I want you to remember back to the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse when one of the arguments we heard over and over again was that Rittenhouse had unlawfully carried a firearm across state lines.

00:05:49.880 PolitiFact published a whole fact check asserting that it was false to claim that Rittenhouse had any legal right to possess his AR-15 in Kenosha.

00:05:58.440 Don Lemon, meanwhile, claimed that Rittenhouse was a, quote, white teenager who crossed state lines with an AR-15-style rifle.

00:06:04.780 Joe Scarborough said, quote, he crossed state lines with an AR-15.

00:06:08.720 Various members of Congress made the same claim, clearly implying that there was something sinister, even illegal, about Rittenhouse possessing and transporting his firearm.

00:06:17.140 Now, ultimately, the entire narrative fell apart, and not just because Rittenhouse never actually crossed state lines with an AR-15.

00:06:23.980 Shortly before jury deliberations began in Rittenhouse's murder trial, the prosecution was forced to admit that under Wisconsin law, Rittenhouse had every legal right to possess his rifle.

00:06:34.720 That's because the rifle barrel of Rittenhouse's AR-15 was longer than 16 inches, which is the minimum barrel length that Wisconsin state law allowed.

00:06:43.360 So, with very little fanfare, after months of lying by the press, the judge dismissed the gun charge against Rittenhouse before the jury could ever consider it.

00:06:52.220 Now, the reason I bring that up is because that's the normal procedure that occurs in a criminal trial before the judge sends the jury to deliberate.

00:07:01.120 It's the kind of thing that happens when the judge is interested in a fair trial, as the Rittenhouse judge was.

00:07:05.360 It was, before the jury gets the case, there's an effort to make sure that the jury is considering a specific slate of charges that are well-founded in the law.

00:07:14.800 You want to clarify exactly what charges the defendant is facing prior to sending the jury away to deliberate.

00:07:21.020 Otherwise, if you start removing or adding charges after deliberations have begun, then you risk confusing the jury and sending signals that are obviously unfair to the defendant.

00:07:32.060 This is the kind of thing that fair prosecutors and fair judges just simply would never do.

00:07:37.500 What happened in the Daniel Penny case on Friday, on the other hand, demonstrated, once again, that neither the judge nor the prosecutors were remotely concerned about basic principles of fairness.

00:07:48.760 Now, fortunately, the jury apparently was, but the judge and prosecutor weren't.

00:07:56.000 So, after several days of deliberation in the Penny case, the jury announced on Friday that it was deadlocked on the second-degree manslaughter charge,

00:08:04.980 which requires the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Penny deliberately disregarded a serious risk of causing death to Jordan Neely and that Penny did not act in self-defense.

00:08:15.740 In response, the judge sent the jury back for some more deliberations to make sure that they were actually deadlocked.

00:08:23.240 This is called an Allen charge or a dynamite charge.

00:08:25.920 And it's normal in many jurisdictions when a jury says they can't reach a verdict, including in New York.

00:08:31.080 The judge will send them back and say, you know, try again.

00:08:34.760 And that part is normal.

00:08:36.040 The idea is to remind jurors that it's important that they try to reach a unanimous verdict, if at all possible, without forcing them into finding one.

00:08:45.320 And then, after receiving this Allen charge, the Penny jury came back and confirmed that, indeed, they were deadlocked on the first count.

00:08:53.940 They could not reach a verdict.

00:08:55.040 The jury didn't return any verdict on the lesser included charge of criminally negligent homicide, which requires that the prosecution prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Penny should have known he was posing some deadly risk to Jordan Neely, even if he didn't deliberately and consciously ignore that risk.

00:09:11.140 It also requires that the prosecution prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Penny was not acting in self-defense.

00:09:16.520 Now, at this point, the actually appropriate and lawful thing for the judge to do, after they came back a second time and said, we can't reach a verdict, is to declare a mistrial.

00:09:28.340 That's why we have a mistrial.

00:09:30.580 It's for these exact scenarios.

00:09:33.020 That's what should happen when a jury repeatedly says they can't reach a verdict after deliberating for several days and after the judge does his best to remind them of the importance of finding a verdict.

00:09:43.200 Any other result risks influencing the jury and suggesting that they should reach a certain outcome.

00:09:50.620 And it also happens to be inconsistent with New York law.

00:09:53.640 But instead of declaring a mistrial on Friday, the judge, whose name is Maxwell Wiley, decided to do something that, by his own omission, doesn't have any precedent in his state.

00:10:06.780 So he dismissed the manslaughter charge entirely.

00:10:10.960 Again, after it had already gone to jury deliberate, it had been, the jury had been deliberating that charge for four days, dismissed that charge, and left the criminally negligent homicide charge intact.

00:10:22.180 And then he told jurors to come back for more deliberations on Monday, which is what they did this morning.

00:10:27.420 But this, again, is what was happening on Friday.

00:10:30.740 And watch.

00:10:32.800 The judge has now dismissed the manslaughter charge against Daniel Penny after jurors came back a second time to announce that they were indeed deadlocked.

00:10:41.940 Now the jury will consider a lesser charge against Penny, who was charged in the subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely last year.

00:10:48.160 So I want to bring in criminal defense attorney Mark Aglarsch.

00:10:51.360 Mark, are you surprised that the jurors were not able to come to a unanimous decision on the more serious charge?

00:11:00.320 No.

00:11:00.980 When you bring politically based charges, that's what happens.

00:11:04.860 Meaning, I think that prosecutors normally wouldn't bring a case like this, dismissing his actions as one of mere negligence, but not criminal negligence.

00:11:15.620 What outrages me candidly is that the judge is sending them back again to deliberate.

00:11:21.000 Every jury, and I've been trying cases for 32 years, they're told if they don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt as to the main charge, consider the lesser charge.

00:11:31.340 Well, they did.

00:11:32.680 For four days and 18 hours, seven women, five men, considered the main charge and then the lesser charge.

00:11:39.580 Now sending them back, it almost implies that the judge is saying, all right, there may be something to this lesser charge.

00:11:46.060 So go back there and consider it again.

00:11:48.720 Now, what's not captured in that CNN segment is that by the judge's own admission, what he was doing in the Penny case has no precedent.

00:11:56.580 It's not just lawyers and CNN commentators who are saying this.

00:11:59.460 As the judge put it himself, quote, I'll take a chance and grant the prosecution's application.

00:12:06.580 Yes, the judge actually said that.

00:12:08.020 He said he'll take a chance and implement a novel application of criminal law by dismissing the manslaughter charge while retaining a lesser included offense.

00:12:17.740 So basically, he's admitting that he's conducting a little legal experiment in the middle of a homicide trial.

00:12:24.980 He's throwing out the established rules and effectively allowing the prosecution to change their strategy after jury deliberations have already begun.

00:12:34.880 Where the prosecution realizes it's not going their way.

00:12:38.500 And so in the middle of deliberations, they want to completely change the way they approach it.

00:12:42.520 Now, this was clearly a violation of Daniel Penny's constitutional rights.

00:12:48.880 He has the right to be treated like every other criminal defendant under the Due Process Clause of the Constitution.

00:12:55.240 But the prosecution and the judge abandoned that principle for the most flagrantly political reasons imaginable.

00:13:01.080 Instead of the jury getting an Allen charge, they're now being told to conduct a whole new set of deliberations with new rules.

00:13:08.860 Now, to give you a sense of why this was such a significant ruling,

00:13:12.520 take a look at the verdict form that the jury was considering.

00:13:15.500 Here it is. You can see it on the screen.

00:13:16.600 It begins by stating that if the jurors find Daniel Penny guilty of manslaughter, then they're done.

00:13:21.820 They don't have to consider the lesser included charge of criminally negligent homicide.

00:13:26.120 Then the form goes on to state that, quote,

00:13:27.560 If you find the defendant not guilty of count one, manslaughter in second degree,

00:13:32.420 for the reason that the people have failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not justified,

00:13:36.680 then you must not consider count two, criminally negligent homicide,

00:13:39.940 and you must also find the defendant not guilty of that count.

00:13:44.260 Now, the form continues, quote,

00:13:46.260 If you find the defendant not guilty of count one, manslaughter in the second degree,

00:13:50.080 for some reason other than a lack of justification,

00:13:52.300 then proceed to consider and render a verdict on count two, criminally negligent homicide.

00:13:56.880 So what this is saying is that if the jurors found that Penny was justified and acted in self-defense

00:14:02.980 to protect himself or others on that subway car,

00:14:05.860 then a not guilty verdict on the manslaughter charge means that there also must be

00:14:10.480 a not guilty verdict on the criminally negligent homicide charge.

00:14:14.640 That's a pretty clear logical progression.

00:14:17.340 Self-defense is a total defense on both charges, not just one of them.

00:14:21.640 But now, very abruptly, the jury was being asked to throw out this whole logical progression.

00:14:29.480 These instructions basically were revised after the fact.

00:14:34.620 Now they're being asked to consider the charge for criminally negligent homicide in isolation

00:14:39.240 from the other charge, which is the exact opposite of what they were told when they went into deliberation.

00:14:44.840 Now, again, it's impossible to ignore the natural effect that this was meant to have on the jury.

00:14:53.640 The message was very clear.

00:14:55.220 The judge was essentially telling the jury to compromise and convict on something.

00:15:00.940 He all but said to them, OK, if you don't want that one, then just do this one.

00:15:05.960 Now, officially, the judge's reasoning was that in most other cases,

00:15:09.020 there's a, quote, very clear difference between the primary charge and the lesser included charge.

00:15:13.520 But he said that's not the case in this trial.

00:15:16.420 So that's why he says he allowed the prosecution to dismiss one of the charges

00:15:20.200 while keeping the other after the jury had already deliberated.

00:15:24.020 This is a move that can politely be described as novel, as the defense attorneys put it.

00:15:31.860 More accurately, it's a sleight of hand that undermines the legitimacy of the entire criminal court system.

00:15:37.120 But the state of New York is evidently willing to sacrifice the legitimacy of its judicial system,

00:15:42.800 whatever's left of it anyway, in order to punish Daniel Penny by any means necessary.

00:15:48.220 And yet they still failed because God is good and truth wins in the end.

00:15:53.600 Now, not that it really needs to be said, but, you know, the point of laws, especially criminal laws,

00:16:01.380 is not to be novel.

00:16:03.700 It's to establish rules that apply to everybody so that they can be enforced fairly without regard to politics.

00:16:10.160 Once prosecutors start bending the rules and coming up with creative ways to imprison American citizens,

00:16:15.440 it's clear they're not really concerned with justice.

00:16:17.980 They are activists who want to punish their political enemies.

00:16:21.780 And in New York, the judges are activists, too.

00:16:24.280 So they go along with it.

00:16:26.100 You know, last week we talked about the prosecutor in this case,

00:16:28.640 Assistant Manhattan District Attorney Daphna Yoren, just a few years ago.

00:16:33.160 She dramatically reduced the sentence of a black man who brutally killed an Asian man during an ATM robbery

00:16:37.880 because she said that she felt sorry for the trauma in his life.

00:16:42.620 She didn't want to apply the law, which clearly applied to the assailant's conduct.

00:16:48.580 Because she wanted to try out a novel concept called restorative justice.

00:16:53.560 In the Penny case, this same prosecutor is using a novel approach for the opposite reason.

00:17:01.940 She decided this time around to go out of her way to punish a defendant in a homicide case.

00:17:07.520 She employed every legal technicality in the book and some that aren't in the book to throw him in prison.

00:17:15.840 In fact, that's the thing.

00:17:16.980 And she came up with new technicalities that have never been attempted before.

00:17:20.760 And it's not hard to see why that is.

00:17:22.360 Sure, Daniel Penny acted in self-defense, unlike the ATM robber.

00:17:25.500 Sure, Jordan Neely was a menace to society, unlike the professor who was murdered

00:17:29.380 while he was just trying to withdraw money from the ATM.

00:17:32.660 But also, unlike the ATM robber, Daniel Penny is white.

00:17:35.980 And for that reason, and that reason alone, the jury in this case was forced to continue deliberations,

00:17:43.140 even after they said they couldn't come up with a verdict.

00:17:47.080 The judge and the prosecutors refused to drop the case long after it's clear that they're legally obligated to do so.

00:17:52.740 Now, ultimately, again, thankfully, they failed in their scheme.

00:17:59.580 The whole thing backfired, actually.

00:18:01.280 It was a massive backfire.

00:18:02.640 Because now they can't retry Penny for the charge that was dismissed because they dismissed it after deliberations began.

00:18:09.100 So double jeopardy protections apply.

00:18:11.380 Obviously, they can't retry him on the charge that he was just acquitted of.

00:18:16.000 So he's done.

00:18:17.980 They failed.

00:18:19.120 They lost.

00:18:19.820 And he's a free man.

00:18:21.520 So ironically, if they'd just taken the mistrial last week, they could have kept trying to throw Penny in prison.

00:18:28.500 But they gambled that this maneuver would result at least in a conviction on a lesser charge.

00:18:34.360 And they'd still be able to throw Penny in prison for four years.

00:18:37.180 And they'd still be able to ruin his life.

00:18:39.180 And so they said, you know, okay, we'll take that instead.

00:18:43.720 That was the calculation.

00:18:46.100 It didn't pay off.

00:18:47.800 They failed.

00:18:48.980 They tried to railroad him.

00:18:50.900 And they failed.

00:18:53.080 And we should never forget that.

00:18:56.320 Daniel Penny surely won't.

00:18:59.120 But for now, what matters most is that he won.

00:19:03.840 Justice won.

00:19:04.540 And justice won in spite of the very people who are supposed to ensure that it wins.

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00:21:31.280 I'll tell you one thing for sure is Daniel Penny, I'm sure I don't need to tell him this,

00:21:34.600 but he better be on his way out of New York.

00:21:40.940 I almost said he better be on the first train out of New York, but maybe not that.

00:21:47.020 Yeah, he better be on his way out of New York City.

00:21:51.460 Can't stay there.

00:21:52.480 Come down to Tennessee, Mr. Penny.

00:21:55.120 We will welcome you with open arms as a hero, which is what you are.

00:22:01.720 But you just can't stay there.

00:22:03.480 I am pleasantly beyond surprised, shocked actually, that a, I think it was a majority

00:22:12.320 female jury in New York ultimately decided to acquit Daniel Penny on this.

00:22:19.240 I'm shocked by that.

00:22:22.820 And a little bit confused too, because I don't know if they couldn't come up with a unanimous

00:22:27.900 verdict on the first charge, how did they come up with a unanimous one on the second one?

00:22:33.280 I don't know, okay?

00:22:35.220 I think if I'm reading the tea leaves a little bit, because when they had the, when they went

00:22:41.100 four days and they couldn't come up with a verdict, it was always kind of a question.

00:22:45.200 I mean, it could have been split any which way.

00:22:47.340 But in my mind, it was, it seemed to me, if I was just to assume that either the whole

00:22:54.600 jury wanted to convict and there was one lone hero, you know, a 12 angry man, angry men sort

00:23:01.660 of situation, there was one person standing up against the mob, or the whole jury wanted

00:23:07.360 to acquit and there was one that was, you know, insisting on, on guilty.

00:23:13.860 And if I, if I had to, again, just continue making perhaps totally baseless assumptions,

00:23:21.460 but based on what just happened this morning, it seems like it was probably the latter, you

00:23:27.420 know, um, if you had the majority of the jury against him on the top charge, it seems unlikely

00:23:33.720 that suddenly they would acquit on the bottom.

00:23:35.500 So if I had to guess, you know, is probably the vast majority of the jury was wanted to

00:23:41.860 acquit.

00:23:42.260 There was one person and there were one or two people holding out.

00:23:45.480 But then when the judge sent them back for another week of deliberations, those one or

00:23:49.380 two people said, you know what, screw this.

00:23:51.380 So I don't know.

00:23:52.140 But, um, so, but that is, I guess the point is that, you know, you, you got to give New

00:23:59.760 York a little bit of credit.

00:24:01.040 Um, at least the people of New York, a little bit that they were, because that's, it's a jury

00:24:06.320 of his peers and I thought that that meant he's probably screwed for that reason.

00:24:11.540 Uh, but the system, you know, you still have to worry about the system.

00:24:14.560 It's a corrupt system.

00:24:16.460 And if you're Daniel Penny, or if you're someone who, you know, even if you're not Daniel Penny,

00:24:22.900 uh, if you are not, uh, a far left radical, you just, you can't live there.

00:24:28.220 It's too much risk.

00:24:29.160 So, as I said, come on down, come on down to Tennessee.

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00:24:40.220 A doctor celebrated as America's best known practitioner of youth gender medicine is being

00:24:44.560 sued for medical negligence by a former patient, a young girl who underwent a gender transition

00:24:48.860 and now feels she was deeply betrayed.

00:24:52.140 20 year old Kaya Clementine, uh, Clementine Breen accuses Dr. Johanna Olson Kennedy of fast

00:24:58.840 tracking her attempted gender transition, including puberty blockers, hormones, and a

00:25:02.100 double mastectomy when she was a young teenager.

00:25:05.440 Her lawyers argue that Olson Kennedy, the therapist she referred Breen to, the surgeon

00:25:11.020 who removed Breen's breasts and other medical professionals are all guilty of medical negligence

00:25:15.900 for rushing Breen through procedures that have deeply and negatively impacted her future.

00:25:20.920 Clementine is a female who suffered from a complex multifaceted array of mental health

00:25:25.180 symptoms as a child and adolescent.

00:25:26.720 The complaint states, she's also a survivor of multiple instances of sexual abuse as a

00:25:32.600 child and adolescent, something that was never explored, addressed, or discussed by defendants

00:25:36.600 in the course of their purported treatment.

00:25:38.360 The lawsuit continues her presentation of symptoms and concerns included, among other things, anxiety,

00:25:43.160 depression, autism, undiagnosed post-traumatic stress disorder, potential bipolarism, as has

00:25:48.480 been suggested by one of her psychiatrists, ongoing confusion regarding her gender, and eventually

00:25:53.000 psychosis, including audio and visual hallucinations, panic attacks, and paranoia.

00:25:57.260 Her family has a lengthy history of mental health issues.

00:25:59.880 She needed psychotherapy to evaluate, assess, and treat her complex comorbid mental health

00:26:05.280 symptoms.

00:26:07.440 But she didn't get that.

00:26:09.260 Instead, she got fast-tracked, as the complaint says, to puberty blockers at the age of 12,

00:26:14.620 cross-sex hormones, age 13, and gender-affirming surgery, so-called, at age 14.

00:26:24.240 And now she's suing.

00:26:25.820 So this is a child, was a child, now she's, what did it say, she's 20 years old.

00:26:33.960 This was a child who had myriad of mental health problems, including, it says, actual psychosis

00:26:45.920 to the level of suffering hallucinations.

00:26:48.980 And some of that, I'm sure, stems from, apparently, as the complaint says, that she was sexually

00:26:54.960 abused as a child.

00:26:59.600 And you've got someone, a child, coming to you with that history and those problems, and

00:27:08.040 your answer is, let's start performing medical procedures and giving her drugs that will permanently

00:27:17.040 alter her body, damage her body permanently.

00:27:20.800 I mean, it's just, it is obviously barbaric, and this is what needs to happen, as I've been

00:27:26.500 saying for years, what needs to happen to finally topple this industry is, you know, it ends

00:27:31.940 with lawsuits, big lawsuits, devastating lawsuits for the gender transition industry.

00:27:37.760 And now it looks like that phase is finally beginning.

00:27:40.080 And look, there isn't much for me to, you know, add to this.

00:27:45.380 You already know what my take is, obviously.

00:27:49.300 Yes, this woman, this girl, this child at the time, was horrifically exploited and abused

00:27:54.760 by many adults in her life, but in particular by Johanna Olson Kennedy, this quack, this Dr.

00:28:01.660 Frankenstein.

00:28:03.100 She deserves to be driven into bankruptcy by lawsuits.

00:28:05.940 In a perfectly just world, she would be left homeless, living in a freaking box on the side

00:28:12.140 of the road, okay, totally bankrupted and disgraced, and then you'd throw her in prison.

00:28:18.180 That's what I'd like.

00:28:18.880 I'd like, make her homeless for a couple of years, just so we can enjoy the sight of that,

00:28:22.700 and then throw her in prison for the rest of her disgusting life.

00:28:27.080 That's the way it should go.

00:28:28.940 But notice the ages here, okay?

00:28:32.520 They still try to claim that children aren't getting gender, the surgeries.

00:28:36.980 That's what the transactive, they'll still say this.

00:28:39.720 They'll say, the surgeries, that's not happening.

00:28:42.480 And even if it were true that that isn't happening, it wouldn't change anything, because kids would

00:28:54.540 still be getting drugs that are chemically castrating them, chemically sterilizing them,

00:28:59.680 and through chemicals are permanently damaging their bodies.

00:29:04.060 So whether the permanent damage is happening by a scalpel or by injections,

00:29:10.460 there's no real difference there, okay?

00:29:13.620 It's barbaric and hideous and wrong either way.

00:29:17.220 But as it happens, they, in fact, are using all of those things, right?

00:29:22.140 They're using injections, pills, and the scalpel.

00:29:25.260 They're using everything.

00:29:25.860 And so when they say that children aren't getting these so-called gender transition surgeries,

00:29:33.240 that claim rests on the assumption that double mastectomies somehow don't count as surgery.

00:29:41.780 Physically removing healthy body parts is not surgery somehow.

00:29:48.360 Okay, that's the level of gaslighting that we're at now.

00:29:51.080 Because double mastectomies are happening and have happened to many children.

00:29:56.320 This girl was 14 years old.

00:29:58.020 14.

00:29:59.840 14 years old when they removed her breasts.

00:30:04.120 It's indefensible.

00:30:06.740 And this goes back to why I've been calling for the federal ban on gender transitions for minors.

00:30:14.320 Because it's the right thing.

00:30:16.380 It needs to happen.

00:30:17.260 And also because, on top of all that, politically, total win-win.

00:30:26.800 I want to see elected Democrats, mainstream Democrats, be forced to come out and explain to the American people

00:30:34.020 why it's okay to give a cosmetic double mastectomy to a 14-year-old girl.

00:30:42.920 You come out and tell us that.

00:30:44.500 You explain that.

00:30:46.140 Go ahead.

00:30:47.760 We'll give you the floor.

00:30:49.580 We'll give you as much time as you need.

00:30:51.960 Go ahead.

00:30:52.400 Go ahead and explain it.

00:30:55.640 Force them to do it.

00:30:56.620 Force them to defend it.

00:30:58.000 And because they can't.

00:31:00.000 All right.

00:31:04.120 Big, of course, the big story.

00:31:07.920 We've talked about some of the big stories here at home.

00:31:10.460 But internationally, NBC News has this.

00:31:13.000 The Assad's family's decades-long reign in Syria came to an abrupt end on Sunday

00:31:17.420 when rebel forces captured Damascus after a stunning lightning strike rout across the country.

00:31:23.940 Hassan Abdul Ghani, senior commander of the militant group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, HTS we'll call them,

00:31:32.240 claimed victory for the rebel forces that stormed across Syria in a matter of days and entered Damascus overnight.

00:31:38.060 Videos circulating on social media and verified by NBC News appeared to show Syrians celebrating across Damascus overnight

00:31:43.740 and into the day as crowds honked horns, waved flags, and fired their guns into the air

00:31:48.120 while others posed for selfies standing on top of a tank.

00:31:53.940 So, you know, you guys know I don't spend a lot of time talking about foreign policy stuff.

00:32:02.360 Not my bag, not my area of interest.

00:32:04.920 I focus on America almost exclusively.

00:32:08.140 When it comes to foreign policy, you know, if I do have to comment on it, I like to keep it simple

00:32:12.980 because I'm a simple man.

00:32:14.360 In fact, even when issues related to the home front, I also, I tend to keep it simple.

00:32:19.800 I tend to look at things in a very simple way.

00:32:22.820 And I think most issues are made unnecessarily complicated.

00:32:28.540 And we like to pretend like there aren't just some basic principles we can apply.

00:32:33.520 And so for me, when I hear about another Mideast dictator getting deposed

00:32:39.620 and everyone's celebrating and our media is celebrating,

00:32:44.180 well, number one, that's red flag number one.

00:32:47.500 I mean, no matter what the issue is, whatever happened, if you know nothing about it

00:32:51.680 and you look and you say, oh, NBC News, CNN, MSNBC, they all think it's good.

00:32:57.660 It's probably at least not as good as what they're claiming.

00:33:02.520 So you already kind of know that.

00:33:04.060 So that should make you skeptical.

00:33:05.100 But whenever I see this, I always think, is there any reason to believe

00:33:11.240 that this will lead to a better situation?

00:33:17.600 And when I say better situation, I mean primarily the type of situation I'm worried about,

00:33:23.520 which is will America be safer with whatever comes next?

00:33:29.620 So you got rid of the guy.

00:33:31.040 We've seen this play out a million times.

00:33:33.160 If you get rid of the guy, it's a bad guy, everyone says, terrible guy.

00:33:37.420 Okay, but what happens next?

00:33:39.760 And is that better?

00:33:41.760 Because if it's not better, then why would we be happy?

00:33:47.380 And I think in this case, when Islamic rebels are taking over a country,

00:33:52.860 recent history, and also not so recent history, very clearly shows that the answer is no.

00:34:00.580 It's not better.

00:34:01.800 I can't think of a case when it has been.

00:34:04.280 I can't think of a case when Islamic rebels took over a country and things worked out better than

00:34:09.020 they were before.

00:34:11.540 Now, I'm sure Assad is a bad guy.

00:34:13.780 I'm sure he's not a pleasant person.

00:34:16.780 But I absolutely do not believe that Syria will be in a better position with Islamic rebels

00:34:22.040 controlling the country.

00:34:23.500 And more importantly, I don't think it makes America safer or puts us in a better position.

00:34:27.440 Also importantly, there is a community of Christians, as some people have been pointing out on social media,

00:34:35.660 there's a community of Christians living in Syria, and they're living there now.

00:34:41.560 I mean, they're living there now.

00:34:42.940 And what does that tell you?

00:34:43.680 It means that, well, they were able to live there under Assad.

00:34:49.000 What happens to the Christian community under this new Islamic rebel regime?

00:34:54.300 I think we all know.

00:34:55.960 I think in six months, there will be no Christian community left.

00:34:58.600 And it's going to be because they fled or they were killed before they were able to flee.

00:35:03.640 Because we've also seen that.

00:35:05.220 We've seen that play out many times in the past.

00:35:08.120 We've seen that movie before.

00:35:09.580 So this would seem to clearly be bad for Christians in Syria, probably worse for America because

00:35:17.940 it puts terrorist forces in charge, which means it's a net loss.

00:35:23.940 It's a net negative.

00:35:24.560 Like, those are really the only two things that I am looking at and that I care about.

00:35:29.000 And if it's not better on those two fronts, if it leads to more Christian persecution and

00:35:35.040 it puts America in a more destabilized position, there's really nothing else you could point

00:35:43.380 to.

00:35:43.500 Yeah, yeah, but this over here is better.

00:35:45.120 Well, yeah, I don't care about that.

00:35:46.100 That's at best third on the list.

00:35:51.420 So I'm not particularly celebrating.

00:35:54.560 Okay, what else do we have here?

00:36:00.200 This is an important one.

00:36:02.100 Maybe not important, but it is.

00:36:03.760 This is a video that just went viral last week, even though I think it's from this summer.

00:36:08.740 And for some reason, we're just finding out about it now.

00:36:10.460 So here we see this is a 72-year-old man named Dennis Nguyen, who's an American icon.

00:36:18.620 He's a legend.

00:36:19.500 Not to Daniel Penny level, but, you know, still.

00:36:23.340 He's, and I don't know anything about him.

00:36:25.640 I'm just saying he's a legend because of what we're about to show you.

00:36:28.100 So here he is getting arrested in Florida for shooting at apparently a Walmart drone that

00:36:35.760 was flying above his house.

00:36:38.420 And so there's two issues here.

00:36:41.000 One is just, it's hilarious how he handles this situation.

00:36:44.180 But also there is the kind of important issue of, what are we supposed to do about the fact

00:36:51.240 that the sky is full of drones now and you've got Walmart flying drones around right above

00:36:55.020 your house?

00:36:55.640 Like, do you not have the right to defend your privacy against this, you know, thing?

00:36:59.760 You don't even know what it is.

00:37:01.260 So we'll talk about that.

00:37:02.300 But here's how Dennis handles it when the cops show up at his house.

00:37:06.940 Watch.

00:37:07.060 At some point today, did a drone fly over your house and you shoot at it?

00:37:11.860 I'm going to be real blown with you and ask.

00:37:13.620 Yeah.

00:37:14.160 You did?

00:37:14.740 Yeah.

00:37:15.180 Okay, why'd you shoot at it?

00:37:16.880 Because I thought it was somebody who would turn around and play games on my house.

00:37:20.840 I got you.

00:37:21.360 Where did you see the drone at?

00:37:22.960 Very blown with me.

00:37:24.540 How much trouble am I in?

00:37:27.640 Quite a bit.

00:37:29.460 You've been honest with me, I'm going to be honest with you.

00:37:32.780 Quite a bit, actually.

00:37:34.220 So there's a federal charge that goes along with it.

00:37:36.640 There's a felony charge that goes along with it.

00:37:38.840 That's kind of like where we're at.

00:37:40.040 Okay.

00:37:40.520 Okay.

00:37:40.940 What happens and what happens and what?

00:37:43.780 Well, before we continue this conversation, I'm really just, for you being honest, you

00:37:49.980 really just took me off guard.

00:37:51.480 I'm not going to write it.

00:37:52.320 What am I going to do?

00:37:53.240 I'm going to lie.

00:37:54.100 True.

00:37:54.940 All right, sir.

00:37:56.000 You have the right to remain silent.

00:37:57.220 Anything you say again will be...

00:37:57.940 You're putting me under arrest.

00:37:59.200 I'm just going to arrange you the Miranda warning just so I can get it out.

00:38:01.700 That way you and I can continue our conversation, okay?

00:38:03.920 I understand the Miranda warning.

00:38:05.380 I don't have to speak to you unless I want an attorney, okay?

00:38:08.980 I got you.

00:38:09.520 Let me just read you this real quick and then we'll go from there, okay?

00:38:12.640 Waved it off and everything.

00:38:14.240 Never left.

00:38:15.420 I went inside, went into the safe, got the weapon, came out, tried to shoot off again.

00:38:20.260 It didn't move.

00:38:21.420 I fired one round at it.

00:38:23.180 Now they say I hit it, so I must be a good shot.

00:38:25.760 Want a coffee in the front?

00:38:27.240 Whatever it's come.

00:38:28.080 Whatever you need to do by protocol.

00:38:29.500 We've been fine.

00:38:33.460 There's no issues.

00:38:34.400 We're not, you know...

00:38:35.100 I don't know if it's too tight, all right?

00:38:37.260 Yeah.

00:38:38.440 I can't breathe.

00:38:39.420 I can't breathe.

00:38:40.100 I can't breathe.

00:38:40.740 So, in case you missed it at the end, he starts joking that he can't breathe.

00:38:51.500 He's lucky he was getting arrested in Florida because if he did that, like, in California,

00:38:55.600 New York, they would charge him with another crime just for making fun of George Floyd.

00:39:01.080 They'd make up a crime on the spot, besmirching the good name of George Floyd in the first

00:39:06.320 degree.

00:39:06.860 Sir, that's 15 years you're looking at now.

00:39:10.180 Maybe charge him under, you know, blasphemy laws or something.

00:39:13.060 But, so this guy's obviously a legend, and it turns out that he was ultimately charged

00:39:18.300 with multiple crimes, including federal crimes for shooting at an aircraft because a drone

00:39:22.680 counts as an aircraft.

00:39:24.440 So this should be on the federal charge.

00:39:26.240 I think there was a law, there was state and federal charges, but this should be a day

00:39:30.660 one pardon for Trump on the federal charge, and Trump should also move to change the law

00:39:37.540 that classifies a drone as an aircraft because, at least to make some distinctions in the law,

00:39:44.000 I mean, it is an aircraft, but when they wrote the law saying that you can't shoot at an

00:39:49.280 aircraft, I think they probably had in mind people shooting at airplanes, you know, when

00:39:56.060 there are people inside those airplanes, this was a small little robot from Walmart.

00:40:01.200 And I personally think it should be legal to shoot at drones flying above your house.

00:40:07.060 Certainly shouldn't be a federal crime, that's for sure.

00:40:10.940 And by the way, even if it is a federal crime, you should still just give this guy a slap

00:40:15.240 on the wrist, you know, like a $100 fine or something.

00:40:17.660 I mean, I wouldn't give him anything.

00:40:19.640 I wouldn't give him any fine, but I would just shake his hand and, you know, that would

00:40:23.140 be it, but if you feel like you have to do something, give him a $100 fine, whatever

00:40:26.780 you feel like you have to do, and send him on his way.

00:40:29.260 This is the kind of guy that courts should go lenient on, okay?

00:40:33.860 There's a lot of people getting lenient treatment in the court system all across the country.

00:40:41.260 I tend to be law and order.

00:40:42.820 I tend to be about throw the book at somebody, but not always.

00:40:46.480 There are times when even I would say, okay, that's someone that, okay, even if they committed

00:40:50.580 a crime, we don't have to throw the book at that person.

00:40:54.920 And this is a perfect example of a time when you go easy on someone.

00:41:00.940 Why?

00:41:02.260 Elderly man, probably no criminal record.

00:41:05.440 I don't, you know, I haven't seen one way or another, but I'm assuming probably not a

00:41:08.920 criminal record.

00:41:10.360 Not a danger to his community.

00:41:12.680 You know, good-natured guy, good neighbor.

00:41:15.540 I'm sure all of us, if you ask his neighbors, probably all love him.

00:41:17.680 They all think he's a great guy.

00:41:18.360 Okay, so it's the kind of guy that you have compassion for in the court system.

00:41:22.620 You know, you're not making the community safer by throwing that guy in jail, okay?

00:41:28.620 But going back to the drone for a moment, there are some really interesting legal questions

00:41:34.440 here and some additional changes to the law that should be made.

00:41:37.480 Because the question of whether we can shoot at drones above our house really goes back

00:41:43.800 to the question of who owns the airspace, right, above your head when you're in your

00:41:48.900 backyard or in your front yard.

00:41:50.780 And I believe, I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that what's been typically determined and interpreted

00:41:58.340 by the courts is that you do own the airspace above your house to a point.

00:42:02.240 Now, your ownership does not extend eternally into the sky, which makes sense, but it typically

00:42:08.380 is understood to go, I think, like 500 feet, especially in a residential neighborhood.

00:42:14.900 Don't quote me on that.

00:42:16.440 Don't go shooting at drones, you know, above that.

00:42:19.280 And then say, because I told you to.

00:42:21.200 You got to look, you got to Google it, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is.

00:42:23.560 But, again, I think these laws have mostly been written with airplanes and helicopters

00:42:31.020 in mind.

00:42:32.140 The point is that an airplane flying at 30,000 feet above your house is not trespassing,

00:42:38.840 obviously.

00:42:40.260 But drones are a whole different deal.

00:42:42.740 Because now we have aircraft that could fly 600 feet above your house and actually be intruding

00:42:49.380 on your privacy.

00:42:49.980 And when you see a drone, you don't know what the drone is there for or what they're doing.

00:42:56.520 Obviously, drones all have cameras and you don't know what it is.

00:42:59.420 It could be Walmart.

00:43:01.520 It could be some pervert down the street with a drone with a camera on it, you know, looking

00:43:04.860 in your bedroom window.

00:43:06.800 Who knows?

00:43:08.880 So, and even if it is Walmart, what right does Walmart have to the airspace above your house?

00:43:18.380 Why should they have any right to it?

00:43:22.600 So, and plus, it's a lot of fun to shoot at drones.

00:43:27.720 I'm betting.

00:43:28.980 I'm not saying I've done it.

00:43:30.500 But it's also a lot of fun.

00:43:32.820 Great, great, you know, opportunity for some target practice.

00:43:36.840 I don't know if you can write that into the law necessarily, but I do think there's a leak.

00:43:40.980 So I think there's a legal case for this guy.

00:43:42.620 But mainly the case is the guy's awesome.

00:43:44.700 So let's just cut him some slack.

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00:45:36.960 Now let's get to our daily cancellation.

00:45:38.060 In recent months, especially since Trump's win, but even before that, we've seen some

00:45:49.380 well-known figures on the left move to the right.

00:45:52.160 Now, although in basically every case, they'll deny that they're moving to the right.

00:45:56.340 Instead, they'll say something like, the left left me, which always turns out to be at

00:46:01.040 most only partially true, but also partially their way of not having to actually admit

00:46:05.420 that they were wrong about something.

00:46:06.420 So you probably remember Mika and Joe on Morning Joe solemnly explaining their decision to go

00:46:12.780 to Mar-a-Lago and meet with Donald Trump.

00:46:14.960 They said that they agreed to restart communications with Trump and find common ground in order

00:46:19.860 to heal our national divides and put an end to political warfare.

00:46:25.020 Watch.

00:46:26.020 What we did agree on was to restart communications.

00:46:30.320 My father often spoke with world leaders with whom he and the United States profoundly disagreed.

00:46:36.420 That's a task shared by reporters and commentators alike.

00:46:40.840 We had not spoken to President Trump since March of 2020, other than a personal call Joe

00:46:48.920 made to Trump on the morning after the attempt on his life in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:46:53.160 In this meeting, President Trump was tearful.

00:46:56.980 He was upbeat.

00:46:57.900 He seemed interested in finding common ground with Democrats on some of the most divisive

00:47:04.180 issues.

00:47:05.320 And for those asking why we would go speak to the president-elect during such fraught times,

00:47:11.340 especially between us, I guess I would ask back, why wouldn't we?

00:47:16.560 Five years of political warfare has deeply divided Washington and the country.

00:47:21.980 We have been as clear as we know how in expressing our deep concerns about President Trump's actions

00:47:28.640 and words in the coarsening of public debate.

00:47:32.040 But for nearly 80 million Americans, election denialism, public trials on January 6th were not

00:47:40.260 as important as the issues that moved them to send Donald Trump back to the White House

00:47:46.180 with their vote.

00:47:48.260 Joe and I realize it's time to do something different.

00:47:52.180 And that starts with not only talking about Donald Trump, but also talking with him.

00:47:59.160 So they talk about this meeting as if it was Lee and Grant at Appomattox or something.

00:48:03.820 In reality, it doesn't actually matter whether Morning Joe gets along with Trump or not.

00:48:07.860 They have zero impact on the country either way.

00:48:12.040 But in any case, before, you know, that was still them sort of moderating a bit.

00:48:18.100 And before Morning Joe's big kumbaya moment, there were other examples of this sort of thing.

00:48:23.240 Anna Kasparian of the Young Turks had been making the rounds for months,

00:48:27.360 criticizing the left for its excesses.

00:48:29.620 Of course, somebody like Bill Maher has been doing the same thing for much longer.

00:48:33.300 And there are several other examples of this kind of thing.

00:48:35.640 And these are all different people and different cases that shouldn't necessarily

00:48:39.240 all be thrown into the same basket.

00:48:41.780 But I do have some concerns about this now familiar routine of leftists seeing the light

00:48:49.220 or sort of seeing it and then being immediately embraced by many on the right,

00:48:55.140 even celebrated and amplified as voices of reason.

00:48:58.100 And I think the best way to explain my concerns is to point to another one of these newly minted

00:49:06.440 voices of reason.

00:49:08.540 This one also comes to us courtesy of the Young Turks.

00:49:11.200 In fact, it is the creator of the show, Cenk Uygur.

00:49:14.280 Now, Cenk has been a passionate, some would say vicious, unhinged, hysterical critic of Trump

00:49:21.840 and MAGA and conservatives generally for many, many years.

00:49:25.340 And yet, two weeks ago, he tweeted that he is now somehow feeling optimistic

00:49:30.940 after the guy he despised and the movement he has opposed with his whole heart and soul just won.

00:49:36.880 He wrote, quote,

00:49:37.540 Now, despite being a far-left commentator who has demonized conservatives for literally decades,

00:49:59.780 he now says that MAGA is not his enemy.

00:50:02.900 The establishment is his enemy.

00:50:04.240 In other tweets and comments, he's called for unity between the two sides.

00:50:08.440 He's criticized the extreme left, or as he now apparently calls them, the max left,

00:50:12.960 and has assured us that if the folks on both sides can unite against the villainous establishment,

00:50:19.920 we will be invincible.

00:50:21.880 Last week, he appeared on the PBD podcast to explain this new approach,

00:50:25.920 which he won't really admit is a new approach, but even so, here you go.

00:50:30.800 Here's what my left-wing friends don't understand.

00:50:34.940 They think you guys are all MAGA, and MAGA means it's a cult,

00:50:39.420 and you're never going to disagree with Trump, you're never going to disagree with each other,

00:50:44.120 and that you are like their father's Republicans.

00:50:48.680 But you're not their father's Republicans.

00:50:50.160 And so our side, I've been trying to get them to realize that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi,

00:50:56.180 all these folks that take the money, they're not on your side.

00:50:59.140 They're on the establishment side, right?

00:51:00.760 And guys, today, I think that we could do something historic.

00:51:04.700 I think that we could actually unite the left flank and the right flank,

00:51:07.860 and I've got a model for how to do that, and I want to run it by you guys.

00:51:12.140 Before, when I battled the right wing, it was a wall, right?

00:51:17.260 I was just like, nobody's listening to one another.

00:51:20.800 They're just doing talking points.

00:51:22.500 I hated it.

00:51:23.820 And then MAGA looked like they were 100%.

00:51:26.480 I'll be honest.

00:51:28.180 I mean, in 2020, I was super pissed, and I said, you know, look,

00:51:32.200 I don't want to talk to Trump supporters.

00:51:33.840 All I hear is the same thing, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, and they never waver.

00:51:37.540 So what I'm saying to the left now is, no, I'm seeing something new and different here.

00:51:43.840 The MAGA base has changed, okay?

00:51:46.580 That doesn't mean they don't like Trump.

00:51:48.480 It doesn't mean that they're not right wing.

00:51:50.740 But there is a significant portion of the MAGA base now that is, in my opinion,

00:51:55.300 right wing populists who are actually anti-establishment, actually anti-corruption,

00:52:01.420 actually anti-war.

00:52:03.140 And what I'm trying to tell the left is, take the win.

00:52:06.020 Take the win.

00:52:06.800 We've been standing a post here for 20 years trying to cut the Pentagon,

00:52:11.180 trying to be anti-war, getting money out of politics.

00:52:15.020 If people say yes, for God's sake, that's our lost tribe.

00:52:20.140 Those are our right wing brothers and sisters who are Americans, who are populists,

00:52:24.240 who agree with us.

00:52:25.380 Let's go fight the establishment together, because if we're united, they cannot stop us.

00:52:31.380 Brothers and sisters.

00:52:33.920 Very nice, very nice sentiment.

00:52:35.680 Cenk says that he has a plan.

00:52:38.340 In fact, he said in the neighborhood he had a plan to unite us all.

00:52:42.380 He's all about unity.

00:52:44.320 And he says that the MAGA base has changed.

00:52:46.800 Now it is actually anti-establishment, anti-corruption, and anti-war.

00:52:51.500 But you know, there are some rather significant problems here.

00:52:54.120 And the first and most obvious is that the MAGA base has always been anti-establishment, anti-corruption, and anti-war.

00:53:02.900 Those have been, by far, the defining features of the base from day one.

00:53:07.900 But Cenk pretends that this was only a recent development, so that, again, he can avoid actually admitting that he was wrong.

00:53:13.960 In fact, he goes further.

00:53:15.900 He takes credit.

00:53:17.040 He pretends that the MAGA base has come to him.

00:53:19.480 That this is a left-wing win, basically.

00:53:23.520 Now the other problem, and it's a big one, is that Cenk extends this olive branch to Trump supporters and praises them for their stand against corruption and war.

00:53:33.780 But here's what he was saying about Donald Trump as recently as last October.

00:53:41.940 He's a dictator.

00:53:44.040 He's a fascist.

00:53:45.300 That's not hyperbole.

00:53:47.040 And here, I'll upset a bunch of people on the left.

00:53:50.260 Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley are not fascists.

00:53:53.980 They're terrible people for other reasons.

00:53:56.040 But they've never done a coup against America.

00:53:58.340 They don't use direct Nazi quotes that Trump does.

00:54:02.020 The only fascist that is an actual threat to democracy is Donald J. Trump.

00:54:07.860 He already tried to end this democracy once.

00:54:11.140 And, guys, last thing.

00:54:13.120 The other day, he said, immigrants are poisoning the blood of our nation.

00:54:18.060 That quote has only been used by Adolf Hitler and Donald J. Trump.

00:54:22.560 So he's telling you ahead of time, I'm a Nazi.

00:54:27.000 It's not like I didn't warn you.

00:54:28.660 I used absurd Hitler quotes.

00:54:31.260 I pulled them out of history, and I said them for no reason just to let you know I am a Nazi.

00:54:38.120 All right, by the way, that was an interview that Cenk did when he was running for president, because apparently he ran for president.

00:54:47.320 Now, I follow politics for a living.

00:54:50.100 I literally never heard that he ran for president.

00:54:53.020 Not once did that news cross my radar.

00:54:56.640 So, in other words, the run did not go very well, I think, as you may be surprised to learn.

00:55:04.380 So, anyway, let me see if I understand this correctly.

00:55:07.240 Trump is a fascist Nazi dictator.

00:55:09.800 And yet, his win makes you optimistic for the country, and the supporters of the fascist Nazi dictator are not your enemies.

00:55:20.980 They're your brothers and sisters.

00:55:22.640 Is that it, Cenk?

00:55:24.360 You're optimistic that Hitler himself was elected?

00:55:27.600 And you want to unite with Hitler's supporters?

00:55:31.760 You want to unite with literal, actual Nazis?

00:55:35.460 So, what are you, coming out as a Nazi sympathizer?

00:55:37.640 Is that what's happening?

00:55:39.700 Now, you might say that I'm not being very charitable.

00:55:43.460 After all, that was a year ago.

00:55:45.800 Now, granted, I could probably find about 300 examples of Cenk calling Trump Hitler in the last two months,

00:55:50.620 but I didn't feel like spending that long watching Cenk clips on YouTube, so this is the one we're going with.

00:55:56.980 Maybe there aren't any clips more recent than that.

00:55:59.120 I don't know.

00:56:00.500 Maybe Cenk had this conversion experience and became a reasonable moderate right after that segment was recorded.

00:56:06.220 Maybe he's been a reasonable person for a whole year.

00:56:10.100 Now, that would mean he spent 53 years of life as a left-wing crackpot and one year as a rational human being.

00:56:16.960 That's good enough, isn't it?

00:56:18.120 Why should we listen to him and embrace him as a thought leader?

00:56:23.000 Okay, so let's not reach all the way back into the ancient past of 14 months ago.

00:56:30.260 What if we went back three days or one day before that interview with PBD that we saw earlier at the beginning?

00:56:39.940 Three days ago, Cenk was on his show condemning me for the speech that I gave at the Do No Harm rally outside the Supreme Court on Wednesday.

00:56:48.680 Now, in this speech, I condemn the abuse of children and the ideology that promotes it.

00:56:53.700 I say that this ideology must be entirely defeated.

00:56:56.400 I use the word erase in direct reference to the ideology, not to the people, but to the ideology.

00:57:03.680 And I say that about the ideology because it is an ideology that rejects basic reality and promotes and carries out the horrific medical abuse of children.

00:57:09.940 Now, Cenk didn't much like what I said, and it didn't make him feel very unified, apparently.

00:57:15.520 I don't think I'm one of these brothers and sisters of his, it turns out.

00:57:20.540 Watch.

00:57:21.980 So in this case, the ACLU lawyer you're talking about, I love that the brother set history there and is the first trans person to argue in front of the Supreme Court.

00:57:32.060 That's a great day in America, just another step stone in equality, right?

00:57:37.340 Now, at the same time, he was on TV the other day saying two-year-olds know if they're trans.

00:57:44.560 And I'm like, that's nuts, totally nuts.

00:57:48.240 Two-year-olds don't know anything.

00:57:49.680 Two-year-olds often don't know their names.

00:57:52.180 How do they know if they're trans and ready for hormones?

00:57:54.420 Are you nuts?

00:57:55.120 So I don't agree with him on that at all.

00:57:57.500 I don't know why he would say such an absurd thing, right?

00:58:00.420 Okay, now let's go to the max right in the clip we just showed you.

00:58:03.520 Far, far worse.

00:58:05.500 Talking about what?

00:58:07.380 They're not gonna stop until trans ideology is entirely erased from the earth.

00:58:11.380 Now, when you talk with that kind of language, what do you think that trans people are gonna think?

00:58:16.600 It sounds like you're trying to wipe them off the face of the earth.

00:58:19.280 Like, don't tell me that this is just about, hey, a disagreement about puberty blockers.

00:58:26.860 Because we're about to have that conversation.

00:58:29.300 That's not the conversation you're having.

00:58:31.280 You and Marjorie Taylor Greene, when you say it's satanic, are having a conversation about

00:58:35.720 how we should all hate trans people.

00:58:38.360 And we should wipe them out.

00:58:40.720 And so if you say, no, no, he has plausible deniability because he didn't say trans people.

00:58:45.440 He said ideology.

00:58:46.200 Okay, shoe on the other foot.

00:58:48.080 Let's try.

00:58:50.620 Oh, yeah, the left is not gonna stop until Christian ideology is entirely erased from the earth.

00:58:56.840 Does that sound good?

00:58:57.840 You like that one?

00:58:59.020 Until white ideology is wiped from the earth.

00:59:01.520 Does that sound good?

00:59:02.700 No, it doesn't sound good.

00:59:03.720 It sounds terrible.

00:59:04.820 Why does it sound terrible?

00:59:05.680 Because you're obviously attacking that group.

00:59:08.140 Okay, and you're hiding behind one word, pretending that you don't mean to.

00:59:11.740 But you're not even hiding anymore.

00:59:13.660 Like Marjorie Taylor Greene is saying trans people are satanic.

00:59:16.760 So, I mean, how is that not deeply, deeply hateful?

00:59:20.980 So, right wing, if you want us to have a reasonable conversation in this country, I'm not gonna have conversations with the Max Wright who are lunatics on this.

00:59:28.700 Okay, well, it's fine because no one's trying to have a conversation with you in the first place, Cenk.

00:59:34.360 That's not, if you keep acting like this, I'm not gonna talk to you, okay?

00:59:39.080 That's fine.

00:59:40.180 I'm fine with that.

00:59:41.540 Deal.

00:59:41.880 So, Cenk begins right off the bat by affirming that the female ACLU lawyer is a man.

00:59:49.500 He said he disagrees with the lawyer about transing two-year-olds, but then declares that what I said is far, far worse.

00:59:56.820 My opinion about an ideology is worse than physically castrating a two-year-old.

01:00:03.240 That's what he just said.

01:00:04.100 And then Cenk wants to know how I would feel if he said that Christian ideology should be erased or white ideology should be erased.

01:00:11.180 Well, I'm happy to answer that for you.

01:00:13.520 So, if you said that white ideology should be erased, I would be opposed to that idea because I would have to assume that you meant that you wanted to erase white people.

01:00:25.560 I know you're gonna say, oh, see, there, I got you.

01:00:28.520 No, but that's because, Cenk, white ideology isn't a thing.

01:00:32.960 It doesn't exist.

01:00:33.980 There is no ideology shared by white people across the whole world.

01:00:38.040 That doesn't, if you made that statement, you could only mean that you want to erase white people because there is no such thing as white ideology.

01:00:47.780 Now, there is, obviously, such a thing as trans ideology.

01:00:51.960 That is an actual thing.

01:00:53.940 It's the ideology that Cenk himself mildly disagrees with by saying that he wouldn't want to trans a toddler.

01:00:59.400 As for erasing Christian ideology, I would strongly disagree with that statement because Christian ideology or Christian teaching, which is what I would take that statement to mean,

01:01:09.300 which, and by the way, if you wanted to switch it over and say trans rather than trans ideology, trans teaching, we could call it that too, okay?

01:01:16.820 But when it comes to Christian teaching, Christian ideology, it's a positive force in the world.

01:01:24.340 It has done immeasurable good for mankind.

01:01:27.140 It has shaped Western civilization for the better.

01:01:29.500 Not all ideologies are created equal.

01:01:35.160 So there are things you could say about one ideology, and if you say it about that ideology, it's a fair thing to say, whereas if you said it about another one, it would not be fair.

01:01:44.960 How could that be true?

01:01:45.900 Well, because not all ideologies are the same.

01:01:48.040 And on that point, I've got a question for you, Cenk.

01:01:52.040 What if I said that white supremacist ideology should be erased?

01:01:57.520 Would you object to that?

01:01:59.200 Would you accuse me of calling for a genocide against white people?

01:02:02.700 No, you wouldn't.

01:02:03.340 In fact, you would wholeheartedly agree.

01:02:05.340 And that's because you understand the distinction between people and ideologies.

01:02:08.820 You understand that, obviously, your fundamental goal when you oppose an ideology is for it to eventually no longer exist.

01:02:18.240 If you think an ideology is evil, if you think it does nothing but harm, if you think it hurts people, then you want it to be gone, to no longer exist, to be erased.

01:02:29.340 Not by killing the people who profess the ideology, which would be not only wrong, but also, as history shows, a very ineffective way of actually erasing an ideology anyway.

01:02:37.420 Instead, you want to rid the world of it by exposing it and defeating it and discrediting the ideas that it espouses.

01:02:46.380 This is a distinction that I know you're smart enough to understand.

01:02:50.340 But you pretend you don't in this case because you actually agree with trans ideology.

01:02:56.060 That's the problem.

01:02:57.480 You don't have a problem with the way I oppose it, but rather with the fact that I do.

01:03:02.440 Which I know because you start by fundamentally agreeing with the ideology when you affirm the manhood of somebody who is 100% female.

01:03:12.860 Now, Cenk says that I'm a lunatic on the trans issue.

01:03:15.540 Even though I have been right about the issue for 10 years, while he's just now coming around to mildly criticizing some of the excesses of this, what he perceives to be excesses of this ideology.

01:03:31.580 But even if his criticisms are weak and tentative and toothless, which they are, he is still inching ever so slightly in my direction.

01:03:42.000 I have not come his direction even one centimeter.

01:03:45.860 He is cautiously tiptoeing towards me on this topic while still condemning me as a lunatic on the same topic.

01:03:52.680 Now, the case of Cenk Uygur's non-conversion conversion perfectly illustrates all of the reasons why conservatives must take these sorts of people with a giant, boulder-sized chunk of salt.

01:04:05.940 Now, it's of course possible that somebody who was once an extreme leftist might actually see the light.

01:04:10.380 When that happens, we should embrace them with open arms and generous spirits.

01:04:13.740 But if it's genuine, we should see on their part some amount of remorse.

01:04:19.720 They should be willing to admit they were wrong.

01:04:21.900 They should apologize to the people on our side who they have unfairly demeaned and slandered and villainized.

01:04:28.500 If all of that happens, then I'll be the first to shake their hand and welcome the prodigal son as he returns.

01:04:34.840 Yet, even in that case, I would not immediately take that person and put them on stage and listen to their ideas like they're thought leaders of a movement they just joined 80 seconds ago.

01:04:48.760 If you've been wrong about everything forever and have now changed your mind, I'm glad you changed your mind.

01:04:56.300 But you certainly have less insight, less wisdom, and less to offer intellectually than people who have not spent their entire adult lives on the wrong side of literally every issue.

01:05:06.520 So, you, as the person crossing over, should recognize that and have humility and be willing to take a back seat.

01:05:15.820 And yet, out of all the janks in the world, out of all the radical leftists who have been reborn, either as moderates or conservatives or whatever they're calling themselves now,

01:05:24.980 almost none of them fall into the category I just described.

01:05:29.940 Almost none of them have ever shown any remorse or any humility.

01:05:35.260 Almost none of them have apologized to any of the people who they lied about and defamed and whose reputations they tried to destroy.

01:05:43.600 Almost none of them have even been willing to admit that they were wrong.

01:05:47.560 Instead, they claim that they've remained consistent while the left abandoned them.

01:05:52.060 And this is, as I said, at the absolute most, only partially true.

01:05:55.960 There is always at least another part, the part where, in fact, they have drastically changed their tune on a number of serious issues, but they won't admit it.

01:06:02.700 At the very least, these are people who ignored and probably scoffed at and demeaned the conservatives who told them that the left was on a slippery slope into madness.

01:06:11.880 They didn't listen.

01:06:13.120 So, at the very least, they were wrong about that.

01:06:15.680 But they won't admit that either.

01:06:18.240 And yet, they show up, and they have all their ideas, and we're supposed to listen to them.

01:06:24.340 And they even have the gumption to turn around to conservatives who have been in this movement forever and try to lecture them.

01:06:31.540 And so, I'll tell you how to really argue on these issues.

01:06:33.800 What the hell do you know?

01:06:35.220 You've been wrong about everything.

01:06:37.640 You just started being sort of right about a few things 10 seconds ago.

01:06:42.820 Maybe have some humility and shut up and listen for a few.

01:06:46.220 You haven't listened at all your entire life.

01:06:47.860 Maybe you should be listening now.

01:06:48.980 So, what all this tells us, at best, is that these people still have all of the same arrogance and ignorance that made them radical leftists in the first place.

01:06:59.660 It also tells us that these are not credible voices we should be listening to or taking seriously.

01:07:06.020 Not everybody is a thought leader.

01:07:07.940 Okay?

01:07:08.080 Not everyone has a platform with a large audience.

01:07:10.080 In fact, most people don't.

01:07:11.100 And if you've been wrong about everything and are still too arrogant to even admit it, even while you try to cozy up to the people you've demonized for years,

01:07:17.940 then you should certainly be in the non-thought leader crowd.

01:07:20.820 Especially considering that about 99% of the people who are not thought leaders on our side are vastly more equipped for the role than you are.

01:07:29.920 But, of course, this is all just the best case scenario.

01:07:33.760 You know, so far I've only really considered the possibility that these supposed former radical leftists have sincerely converted,

01:07:40.040 but are just too egotistical and shallow to admit their own errors.

01:07:44.560 There is the other scenario, which I think, in many cases, is far more likely.

01:07:49.200 That's the scenario where the conversion is not remotely sincere.

01:07:53.500 Where somebody like Cenk Uygur pretends to have turned a new leaf and discovered a strange new respect for the conservative base

01:08:00.120 for the one simple and straightforward reason that his traffic is tanking and the clicks are drying up and he's looking for a new shtick.

01:08:08.160 He's going where the money and the audience are.

01:08:11.600 Now, I can't see inside the souls of any of these people or read their minds, but I can read between the lines.

01:08:16.560 And when I look there, I see the word grifter in giant, bold letters.

01:08:21.800 That's why I'm not interested in hearing Cenk's ideas for how to unite and heal the country.

01:08:26.860 I'm not really interested in hearing his ideas about anything because he has no credibility.

01:08:32.960 And he is still today, I'm afraid to say, canceled.

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The Matt Walsh Show - December 09, 2024

Ep. 1501 - Daniel Penny Is Not Guilty. Justice Wins In Spite Of New York's Rigged Court System.

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