Ep. 1506 - Why Derek Chauvin Deserves a New Trial (And Will Win It)
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Derek Chauvin's legal team is pushing for a new trial, and if he gets one, he will likely be acquitted. Today on the Matt Warshaw Show, we will explain why this is unlikely to happen.
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With the acquittal of Daniel Penny in Manhattan, it's clear that Democrats are going to have some
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difficulty rounding up political prisoners for the next few years. As that trial demonstrated,
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they can't even sell a BLM narrative to a jury full of liberal women and a guy wearing a COVID mask,
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by the way. People are more skeptical of race hysteria now across party lines. They understand
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when they're being manipulated. They care more about facts instead of whatever the corporate press
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is saying. And that's all very bad news for Democrat prosecutors who are looking to collect
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a scalp. But this development is obviously small comfort to the many victims of these prosecutors
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who are still languishing away in prison after being convicted in show trials to appease the mob.
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And of course, maybe the single most prominent of those victims is Derek Chauvin. Chauvin was,
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as you know, a police officer in Minneapolis who went to work in May of 2020 with the goal of
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protecting his community from violent felons, people like George Floyd. He's been sentenced
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to more than two decades in prison because Floyd, who had a recent history of overdoses,
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died in his custody while high on fatal levels of fentanyl. Now, the issue of causation was the
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single most important issue of the trial. That is the question of whether Chauvin actually killed
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Floyd. If Chauvin's actions weren't a substantial factor, quote unquote, in Floyd's death, then under
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Minnesota law, he's innocent. And that pretty much sums up the entire case. That's the whole thing.
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But after the trial was over, the jury came out and publicly admitted that they didn't really care
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about this issue at all. Causation just didn't really matter to them. They gave an interview with
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CNN where they explained that, in their view, Chauvin's actions didn't matter at all. Instead,
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they determined that Chauvin was guilty because of what he didn't do. They didn't convict him for
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murdering Floyd. They didn't convict him because his actions caused Floyd's death. Instead,
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they convicted him for failing to care for George Floyd in some kind of unspecified way. Watch.
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We got to the point, actually, that we realized for charge two, at some point, I think it was Jody,
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I'm pretty sure it was Jody, said, wait a minute. Does the intended act of harm have to be the death of
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George Floyd? Or can it be him not providing the life support? And it was like, all of a sudden,
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light bulbs just went on for those people, I think, that were undecided or on the not guilty side.
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Yeah. Go ahead. I want to hear from you, Jody. Why is it? You brought that up? What did you?
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I brought that up. Tell me what you brought up and why. I brought up to the fact that this is not
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what he did, but more or less what he didn't do. He did not provide life-saving measures for George
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Floyd when he knew that the guy was in pain or needed medical attention. Why do you think that
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was a light bulb? Well, when we were in deliberations, and Jody did bring that up,
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and we did look through everything very, very carefully, what I thought about is something
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that was said during the trial, and that is Minneapolis Police Department has a model.
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And if I'm understanding it correctly, their model is in our custody, in our care.
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George Floyd was in their custody. He was never in their care. And that, for me, just,
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it just hit hard. I don't feel like they ever cared for him.
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You know, it's an incredible piece of footage. First of all, there's no reason for a jury to be
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looking for a light bulb moment, which allows them to rationalize a guilty verdict, unless they were
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looking for some pretext to convict Chauvin, which they obviously were. The jury shouldn't be trying
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to find a way to get a conviction. They should be looking at whether the prosecution proved its case
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beyond a reasonable doubt. And if they find themselves doubting the prosecution proved its
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case, they don't get to rewrite the law to help the prosecution out. But in this case,
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it's exactly what the jury did. They ultimately decided to hold Chauvin accountable for things
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he didn't do. He didn't respond compassionately enough to George Floyd's overdose or live up to
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the police department's motto, I guess, even though none of those things, even if they were true,
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would make Chauvin a murderer. The new rule, according to this jury, is that police officers have an
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obligation to perform CPR on violent suspects the moment they say they can't breathe, even though
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Floyd was claiming that he couldn't breathe just a few minutes earlier when he was resisting arrest
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and struggling with the officers in the back of a patrol car. And if police officers don't administer
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CPR and someone dies, they will just assume that the officer killed them. We'll just make that leap of
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logic because, you know, why not? But just because the jury didn't consider the issue of causation to be
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relevant, that doesn't mean that it's not relevant. From a legal perspective on appeal,
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it's still very important. And that's why a federal judge in Minnesota named Paul Magnuson,
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who was appointed by Ronald Reagan, has just issued in the last week a ruling that could ultimately lead
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to a new trial in this case. This is a decision that's worth looking at and dissecting at length
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because it highlights what a farce the trial of Derek Chauvin really was. No matter how corrupt you
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think this trial was, it was actually a lot worse than you probably think. Now, the decision came
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in response to a motion filed by Chauvin's new lawyer in federal court. Chauvin's legal team is
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seeking to have his conviction overturned in part because his previous lawyer was ineffective to
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the point that he denied Chauvin his constitutional right to a fair trial. There are other objections
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too, including that many of the jurors said they felt threatened by the mob. So Chauvin obviously
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didn't get a fair trial because they thought that their lives were in danger if they didn't convict,
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which they probably were. Not that that excuses them. But there are two central claims in the
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motion arguing that Chauvin received ineffective assistance of counsel. And the first is that
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Chauvin's lawyer during the trial failed to tell Chauvin that a doctor had determined that George
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Floyd died due to acute heart failure resulting in pulmonary edema and death. There were indications
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that Floyd had a heart tumor that could have caused sudden cardiac death and Chauvin was never told
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about that, nor was it brought up at trial, even though it seems like an extremely relevant fact. The
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second claim is that Chauvin's lawyer should have listened to the doctor and ordered tests on samples that
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were preserved from George Floyd's body. Those tests could have determined whether Floyd died of a type
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of myocarditis or some other heart ailment. And now several years later, the federal judge has finally
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allowed Chauvin's new legal team to conduct those tests. Depending on what they show, they could
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completely undermine the prosecution's argument that Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd.
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And that in turn could lead to the conviction being thrown out and potentially a new trial if
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prosecutors decide to pursue it. Now, one of the reasons this is such an important ruling is that
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in Chauvin's trial, there was clear evidence that the prosecution lied about the concentration of
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fentanyl in George Floyd's system when he died. And if this case is tried again,
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this is going to be a major issue. Now, you might remember that in the initial autopsy report,
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the medical examiner determined that Floyd had lethal levels of fentanyl in his system. He said
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that there were no physical signs of strangulation and that it looked like a textbook overdose. But
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shortly afterwards, his assessment changed. Watch. Medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker testified that
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in his initial autopsy on George Floyd, he found no physical evidence of asphyxia and the coronary
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artery disease and hypertension contributed to his death. Baker later added Floyd's high level of
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fentanyl and other drugs in his system also were factors in his death, as was the police restraint.
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Baker says his office received hundreds of complaints and threats as a result of these findings.
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But Baker denied he ever felt pressured to change his conclusions.
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Now, the threats and political pressure we're supposed to conclude didn't influence the medical examiner.
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We're supposed to pretend that he somehow wasn't bothered by the mob that was threatening to destroy
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the entire city of Minneapolis when he changed his determination about the cause of George Floyd's
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death. We're also supposed to think that Democrats in Minneapolis didn't exert any political pressure
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at all. But as the reporter Liz Carlin found, there were even there was even more pressure on the
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medical examiner than many people realize. Here's one internal memo from a prosecuting attorney
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in Minneapolis at the time. And as you could see, according to the memo on May 26, 2020, a team of
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six FBI agents met with medical examiners, medical examiner Andrew Baker, to discuss his preliminary
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findings. And then after this meeting, he changed his conclusions. He decides that Floyd's death was a
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homicide caused by neck compression and that fentanyl wasn't the cause. A new trial, if that's where this
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goes, would offer Chauvin's new defense team an opportunity to pick this claim apart. And this
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is an opportunity that Chauvin's first legal team missed completely for some reason during the first
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trial. Outside of a few accounts on social media, people like Data Hazard, for example, no one's really
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talked about this, but it's an incredible oversight by the defense team and a remarkable act of corruption
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by the prosecution. And if anything completely blows apart the case against Derek Chauvin,
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it's this. So here's the moment in the trial that I'm talking about. This is maybe the single most
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important testimony in the whole case. The prosecution is questioning a forensic toxicologist
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about the levels of fentanyl in Floyd's blood. And watch how that unfolds. Here it is.
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So this is basically a post-mortem concentrations or samples that were hospital blood samples that
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were submitted by Mr. Floyd, for Mr. Floyd. And we found fentanyl at 11 nanograms per milliliter
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and norfentanyl at 5.6 nanograms per milliliter. So this slide shows what the ratio of the parent drug
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to the metabolite is. So 11 nanograms per milliliter divided by 5.6, the norfentanyl gave Mr. Floyd
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a ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl of 1.96. How does Mr. Floyd's ratio compare to that data set?
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So Mr. Floyd's ratio is roughly just a little bit below the median ratio in DUI.
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So it's a lot to process with the graphs and the numbers flying around. But the basic idea
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is that the expert is telling the jury that they collected post-mortem blood samples from George
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Floyd, meaning the samples were taken after Floyd died. And they compared these samples to other
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overdose victims and DUI suspects after their deaths. And Floyd's level of fentanyl were well
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below both of those groups at the post-mortem stage. And so the conclusion was that Floyd didn't
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overdose on fentanyl. The fundamental problem here is that Floyd's samples, according to the medical
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examiner's records, were not actually conducted post-mortem or after death. They're comparing
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Floyd's pre-death samples with other people's post-death samples. So to restate, there were
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samples of blood collected from George Floyd before he died in the hospital, according to the
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government's own documents. He wasn't actually pronounced dead until an hour after this incident
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with Derek Chauvin when he was in the hospital, which a lot of people don't know that either.
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And while he was in the hospital, his blood was drawn. And as the judge put it in his ruling this
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week, quote, the autopsy report shows that anti-mortem blood was collected. And the prosecutor's
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own statement from 2020 confirms that. Here's what they said at the time. This is from another
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internal memo. Quote, Dr. Andrew Baker said that he had the final toxicology results from Mr. George
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Floyd's samples. Those samples are from Mr. Floyd's hospital admission and were not acquired at autopsy.
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Baker said that these samples are better for determining actual blood toxicity than samples
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taken at autopsy. Samples taken at autopsy may have undergone post-mortem distribution. So
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here we have anti-mortem samples or pre-death samples of Floyd's blood. And that means that they
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were taken before the effects of Floyd's death could impact the samples. And here's the autopsy
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report, which also confirms that Floyd's samples are anti-mortem. It reads,
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testing performed on anti-mortem blood specimens collected 525-20 at 9 p.m., fentanyl 11 nanograms
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per millimeter. So this couldn't be any more clear. These are pre-mortem samples, according to
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the prosecution's own records. Now, you might be asking, what's the big deal? I mean, who cares if
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Floyd's blood was collected before his death or after it? Aside from the fact that the fact that he
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was not dead until he got to the hospital also seems pretty significant. He didn't die there on the
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street as, like, pretty much everyone thinks happened. But even aside from that, this is a
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pretty significant distinction because after death, fentanyl concentrations in the bodies
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of overdose victims are dramatically higher than they are before death. It's a difference of up to
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900% within eight hours of death. And that's because when you die, blood stops pumping. So blood
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concentrations change, and it drastically affects the way that these samples read. So what the
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prosecution did, in effect, was compare Floyd's fentanyl levels before this massive spike with
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the fentanyl levels of overdose victims after this massive spike. Of course, Floyd's levels were lower
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in this case because it was before the spike. And based on this apples to oranges comparison,
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the prosecutor convinced the jury that Floyd's death could not have anything to do with fentanyl.
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So in other words, when he arrived at the hospital, Floyd had a level of fentanyl in his blood that
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was consistent with an overdose victim when his pre-mortem blood was tested. In fact, Floyd's
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levels of fentanyl were more than two times the average lethal level that you see in fentanyl overdoses.
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But prosecution hid this fact from the jury by presenting these blood samples as post-mortem.
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They compared Floyd's number with other people who had been dead for several hours. That's the game
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they played. And largely how they got a conviction. Now, it's impossible to overstate the significance
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of this deception. This was the crux of the prosecution's entire argument. I mean,
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they hid it again and again, including during closing arguments. Watch.
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Let's talk about what was in the system and the toxicology report. And you heard from Dr.
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Eisenschmidt, right? And what he testified was that George Floyd's fentanyl to norfentanyl ratio,
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the metabolite norfentanyl, that was well below the ratio of people who die from a fentanyl overdose.
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It was even below the median. And George Floyd's methamphetamine level, that was 94% lower than
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the group for driving, population for driving under the influence. And Dr. Rich and Dr. Smock,
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they've treated patients who are under the influence of both fentanyl and methamphetamine.
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And they testified, these drugs did not kill George Floyd. It didn't. We know that he had a tolerance
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because he used drugs in the past. So again, he's showing the chart with false information,
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presenting the numbers as postmortem. And then at the end of that clip, the prosecutor claims that
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Floyd has built up a tolerance to fentanyl, implying that because he had overdosed before,
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his body could handle a high concentration of the drug. But that was never proven at trial either.
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We know that George Floyd had used fentanyl several times before, even overdosed just months before his
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death, resulting in his hospitalization. But that's very different from saying that Floyd was somehow
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immune to the fatal effects of a fentanyl overdose, which was never demonstrated at trial because
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it's impossible. It's absurd. The other major problem here is that the prosecution's witness
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testified that Floyd died on the street, which seems incompatible with the idea that pre-death
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blood samples were later collected in the hospital. Watch.
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You're seeing here fatal injury to the brain from a lack of oxygen.
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Minutes later, still pinned to the ground by Chauvin.
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That's the moment the life goes out of his body.
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So this whole trial was full of incidents like this. There was the fact that Floyd's suspected
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drug dealer wasn't prosecuted, which allowed him to take the fifth and avoid testifying about the
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drugs in Floyd's possession. There was the prosecuting attorney who was allegedly threatened,
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but professional consequences for refusing to add charges against Chauvin. There was a testimony
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from Andrew Baker who admitted under cross-examination that Chauvin's knee did not cut off
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Floyd's airway. There was the statement from the judge in the case saying every case is about
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racial justice, you may remember. There was the fact that the prosecution tried to hide the tape
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of George Floyd saying, I can't breathe when he was still in the squad car and Chauvin's knee
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was nowhere near his neck. In 2024, there would be a chance that a jury would see through all of this
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corruption and vote to acquit Derek Chauvin. But in 2021, Chauvin was never going to receive a fair
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trial. The threat of violence by BLM was too real. Propaganda from corporate media was still believable
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to millions of Americans, in part because all social media was censored. And Democrats had far
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too much political power. So none of that is true anymore. That's why Daniel Penny was just acquitted.
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And if you reverse it, and if Daniel Penny had his trial back in 2020 or 2021, the result probably
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would have been very different. That's also why if Derek Chauvin is granted the new trial that he
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clearly deserves, I think he will be acquitted too. Now let's get to our five headlines.
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Arkansas, Utah, Mississippi, Virginia, Louisiana, a citizen who wants to access an adult website has
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to prove they're 18 years old by showing a government ID. Florida's law is HB3. The law is
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broad. It requires a website that provides material that is harmful to minors to provide a means of
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anonymous age verification to its minors. The Free Speech Coalition, a trade group that represents
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pornography websites, has been fighting these laws in court. Quote, these laws create a substantial
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burden on adults who want to access legal sites without fear of surveillance. Despite the claims
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of the proponents, HB3 is not the same as showing an ID at a liquor store. It is invasive and carries
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significant risks to privacy. The parent company of Pornhub has said that, quoting now,
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the best solution to make the internet safer, preserve user privacy, and prevent children from
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accessing adult content is performing age verification at the source on the device. So, and they also,
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ILO is the name of the parent company, I guess, A-Y-L-O. And they say that there's, you know,
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safety concerns and privacy concerns with requiring users to give an ID, to show an ID.
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So, a few things. First of all, congratulations to Florida. This just makes Florida an even better
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place to live, I imagine. And second, I love this claim that a law requiring users to provide
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identification is somehow a substantial burden. That's what they're saying. That's what the Free
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Speech Coalition, so-called is. It's a substantial burden to have to provide an ID. Well, let me just
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say, if you live such a life that having to provide your driver's license to a porn site
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is a substantial burden, if you are substantially burdened by that, then it tells me something about
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you. That's a reflection of you, not the law. And this is one of the two scenarios where the left
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tells us that having to show an ID is some great, terrible, unreasonable burden. It's like porn, and
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then, of course, the other one is voting. Those are the two. You have to show ID to do everything else
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in life, in adult life anyway, right? You have to basically carry your ID around with you everywhere.
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You have to be ready and able to show it every single time you sit in the driver's seat of a car.
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Everything requires ID. But if you have to show it to vote or to watch porn, suddenly it's oppressive.
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It's not oppressive. It's not oppressive in any of those other scenarios, right? But in those two
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specifically, it is. It's an enormous burden all of a sudden. Well, I just don't take those crocodile
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tears very seriously. Because if you would rather expose children to pornography than be slightly
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inconvenienced while accessing pornography, then I just really don't care about your opinion that much.
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You're just not a serious person or a good person or even a vaguely decent person.
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Because when it comes to any law, there are always going to be trade-offs. There will always be
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competing interests when it comes to any law, right? And in this case, you have on one hand
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the need to protect children from extremely harmful content that will damage them emotionally,
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psychologically, spiritually. On the other hand, you have the desire of porn users to access porn quickly
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without any inconveniences. So those are the two competing interests in this case.
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Those are the two forces that are, you know, pulling against each other. And it's really not much of a
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competition, I have to say. It's a trade-off that I'm perfectly willing to make. Any decent person would
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be. And you notice the other thing about this that's pretty wild, which is that Pornhub
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says that it puts users at risk, it puts their privacy at risk if they have to give their ID to
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access the site. So this is the argument that Pornhub is making. They're saying it's not just a matter of
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inconvenience, it's also a risk because you're giving your ID. Well, wait a minute, Pornhub.
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Why would that put anyone at risk? They're giving their IDs to you, aren't they? Isn't that what's
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happening? They're giving their IDs to you as the website? Are you saying that you're not capable of
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protecting the privacy of your own users? You're a multi-billion dollar company and yet you can't
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figure out how to keep that information private? It's only a risk. It's only an invasion of privacy
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privacy if, you know, if you somehow cannot keep your users' information private.
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So if you're admitting that, if you would rather shut down access entirely in a state instead of
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simply ensuring that you protect the privacy of your users and handle their private information
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with care and discretion, well then again, that also tells me something about this company.
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So don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly happy for Pornhub to shut down entirely in a state or in every
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state, but this is a pretty revealing statement. It's really, it's like a confession because their
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argument is that you can't trust them with your ID. You know, that's the argument.
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Again, imagine that anyone else, any other, let's say adult-oriented business used an argument like
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this. Imagine that, you know, the alcohol industry and liquor stores started arguing that, well, you
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shouldn't have to show an ID to, imagine a liquor store saying that. No, you shouldn't have to show me
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your ID because then you're putting your privacy at risk. I was like, well, that's the liquor store
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saying that that's them confessing to something. Why should that put privacy at risk? Unless you are
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saying that you are going to be careless with that information or use it in some nefarious way.
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And the thing is, I agree, actually. I certainly wouldn't trust Pornhub with my ID. I wouldn't
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trust them. So they're basically saying you can't trust them. And this is one area where I agree with
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them. I would not want Pornhub to have my ID, but that's an argument for just not patronizing Pornhub at
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all. It's not an argument for not having systems in place to protect kids. And by the way, one other
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thing is I actually agree with them on another point, sort of, partially, in that they say that
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there should be age verification on the device. There should be age verification on the phones,
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on the computers, and so on. And that part, now, they're only saying that they don't actually want
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age verification on anything. Let's be clear. They don't want age verification on the phones.
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They don't want anything because they want kids to access this stuff. They want everyone to access
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it because it's more money for them, more clicks, more money. And so they don't care. They don't care
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if it's adults, kids. They don't care. But they're just deflecting. They're, you know, they're punting
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the ball. And they're saying, no, don't, don't make us do it. Make the cell phone companies and
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all that do it. But yeah, there should be age verification on the device, too. There should,
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there should be protections put on devices, on computers. Let's, let's do all of that. Okay,
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that's the answer. That every porn site should be required to verify ages. And every cell phone
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company should be required to put, you know, protections in place on the device to protect
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children from this stuff. I mean, it, this should be, it's not an either or proposition. It's all of
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that should be happening. We should, as a society, be treating this as a, this is a crisis level
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event. I mean, that's, that's how we should be treating it. When you've got millions of children
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who are accessing the kind of content that even, even up to 20 years ago,
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the vast majority of humans, including adults, would, would never see or, or have access to.
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You know, of course, we, the people that want to be dismissive of the harmful effects of pornography
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will always say, oh, well, there was a, you know, Playboy magazine existed for decades before internet
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porn and there'd been strip clubs and all the rest of it. First of all, you know, I think it should be
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needless to say something like Playboy magazine is, is a tame in comparison to stuff that's all over
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the internet. That's the first thing. But the second thing is the accessibility of this stuff. I
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mean, now it's everywhere. It's on every device. Anyone can access it. And it wasn't like that in
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the past. I mean, they may have had strip clubs in the past, but it, it, the vast majority of people
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weren't going to a strip club and kids were not going to strip clubs. Um, and the vast majority of people
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were not, didn't have Playboy magazine and kids, vast majority of them did not have access to Playboy
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magazine. Um, now everyone has access to it. And, uh, and so it becomes a, that, that's the crisis. Um,
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having a whole generation of multiple generations of kids now who, uh, are, are growing up going
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through their formative years, um, on a, while on a steady diet of the most perverse filth imaginable
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and not imaginable. Um, we, we can't even begin to understand the long-term effects of that,
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but we do know it's going to be really bad. It already is really bad.
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And so we need to be pulling every lever to stop this and to protect these kids. And that,
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that should be the, the number one priority. Yesterday, we told you about San Francisco's
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new, uh, fat acceptance czar. Uh, I think that was her official title. This is a woman that has
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been hired by the city to consult with them on how to better promote obesity and, uh, and heart
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disease promote those things, not fight them or combat them or treat them, but promote them. Uh,
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they want to promote it. They want to celebrate it. And, uh, so over the last day or two more videos
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of this woman, uh, Virgie Tover is her name have surfaced, uh, videos of this now tax funded fat
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consultant. And I just want to play a couple of these for you. And we'll, we'll start with this.
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This is our friend, Virgie tax funded fat consultant in San Francisco. Now, uh, before she
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got the gig, I believe declaring that quote, nobody has to be healthy, which is an interesting
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statement. Uh, let's listen. Where do you see the intersection? Really? What is your definition
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of health? Yeah, that's really complicated, right? I think I want to sort of, I want to talk about that
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question, but I want to start by saying that, you know, no one has to be healthy. No, right? Like, I
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mean, it's like, no, like there is no governing body that's like out there putting, you know what I mean?
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It's like, no one owes anybody that in either the traditional sense of the word or any other more
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innovative or, you know, more politicized, maybe even version of that word. So I think it's important
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to say like, and, and I want to back up and bring in intersectionality and say like, right, like, look at the
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disabled community, right? Um, like I think people with disabilities have, and activists within that space
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have consistently been saying like, I'm never going to be your notion of healthy. That doesn't mean I don't get to be a full human.
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You get to treat me some kind of way. Right. And so I think that I love taking that principle within disability rights
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to fat activism and to understandings of fatness. So I want to start there, right? Like no matter what size you are,
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you don't owe anybody else your health. But I mean, for me, right, like in an ideal world where like an ideal world,
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So she says that, um, nobody has to be healthy. Uh, there's no governing body forcing you to be healthy.
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Well, first of all, RFK Jr. might have something to say about that very soon, but, uh, that aside, uh, yes, you are
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correct that you don't have to be healthy. You have the right to be unhealthy. I suppose, if you want to put
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it that way, you have the right legally to become fat and diseased and die before you turn 40. You
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don't have the moral right, right? Because a moral right that, you know, you, cause you, in fact, have a
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moral obligation to be, be healthy and to take care of your body, take care of your health. That's a moral,
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a moral obligation that you have. So you actually don't have the moral right to abuse yourself to
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the extent that you become morbidly obese, but you do have the legal right. And, uh, and our legal
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rights and our moral, you know, you have legal rights and moral obligations. And sometimes those
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things line up and sometimes they don't, but, um, sure, legally, like no one can legally require you
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to not be fat. Um, and I think that even with RFK Jr. coming in, it would be very hard to come up
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with a law. I, you know, I, even I, um, uh, even in a scenario where I ascend to my throne
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and become a dictator of the hemisphere, I'm not even sure that I would outlaw obesity. I'm an
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outlaw a lot of things. Don't get me wrong, but I don't know that I would outlaw obesity just
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because the, the enforcement mechanism just seems like a pain and, uh, it's not worth my time.
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So yeah, you have the legal right to be, um, fat and to, and to die. Uh, but here we see the very
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common confusion, uh, common in modern culture, this common confusion between what we have the right
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to do and what is right to do. And for a lot of people, especially people on the left, especially
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somebody like this, they just very much struggle. They conflate those things. They don't understand
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that. Um, it's like when, and this is why they'll often respond when, when you make a moral statement
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and you say, you should be healthy. You should take care of your health. You should take care of your
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body. Um, and you, when you say that they'll respond by saying, well, I don't have to, I don't
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have to do that. You can't tell me what to do. It's like, well, you don't have to, but you should
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is that we're talking about what you should do, what, what is right to do, not what you have the
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right to do. And, uh, there's a, uh, uh, the conflation between those things, the, the, the,
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the number of people who struggle to understand that basic distinction is pretty mind boggling.
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Here's another video from this woman and here she is explaining, we're not gonna play the whole
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thing because it, it goes on at length, but, uh, uh, it is all about cake and, um, why it's
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oppressive to make people feel bad about the amount of cake that they eat. Listen.
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CRFI. If you're like many women, you've been to a birthday party or a small office gathering,
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an event that's meant to bring people together. There's swinging tunes, some adult beverages,
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and good convo. And then it comes time to cut the cake and someone decides to ruin everything.
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Oh my God. That slice is huge. That slice is bigger than Beyonce's paycheck.
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Can you cut me half of half of that? A cake related fat phobic incident or CRFI
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is that moment when it's time to eat delicious cake and it's interrupted by a moralizing impulse.
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Inevitably, there's always someone at the party who has to declare publicly that their slice is too
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large and that the person who's cutting the cake, almost invariably a woman, must do some
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disproportionate amount of labor in order to accommodate their need to feel superior.
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Cake related fat phobic incident is what, uh, she just said. And not as a joke. That was not meant to
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be a joke. Um, I'm not sure I've ever seen a video that better illustrates one, well, really multiple,
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uh, important points about these, these, uh, these woke activists. And maybe first and foremost,
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um, this is why wokeness is dying. Uh, this right here, I mean, not this specific video about
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the cake, but this kind of thing, this utterly inane. It's so ridiculous. It's, it's so
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just vapid and preposterous that it's not, it's not sustainable. I mean, it, it, it collapses out
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of exhaustion. You know, a lot of, I mean, the people in that video probably collapse out of
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exhaustion after walking up the steps, but, um, and wokeness is kind of like that. It's, it, it is
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also collapsing out of exhaustion. And I was talking about this recently with, um, uh, I think it was
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with, with Adam Carolla on his, on his show that wokeness reached a point, uh, it crossed the
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threshold and beyond that threshold, once it crossed it, but you could debate exactly when
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that moment was, but once it was crossed its end, its demise became inevitable because the
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suspension of disbelief was just too much. And what I mean is that wokeness has always relied
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not on convincing people of its claims because almost nobody was convinced about any of this
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stuff. Um, whether it's the, the racial stuff, the, the, you know, fat phobia, uh, gender ideology,
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of course, big one, very few people were ever convinced, um, of, of, of the claims of, you
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know, left-wing activists. So people weren't convinced they weren't persuaded, but rather
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the left was cajoling people into pretending that they were convinced. Uh, wokeness thrived,
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even though 99% of the country never believed it. Most of them pretended to, but eventually the
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burden of pretending became too great because the things that they were being forced to
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pretend, the beliefs that they were being told they have to falsely adopt were just too
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outlandish. It was, it was too out there. It was too far-fetched. It was too embarrassing
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and too outrageous and too insane. You know, it was one thing when the left, we used to call
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it just political correctness before it became wokeness. It was, it was just, you know, and
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political correctness. We lived in a politically correct culture for decades. And that was the
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kind of thing that most people would just go along with, even if they thought it was a
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little bit silly. Um, but they kept pushing and they kept pushing and then it became something
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that it's just to, even someone who desires to be sort of polite and to, and to not to rock
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the boat and, and someone who's more kind of wired to be non-confrontational, which is most people.
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Um, those are the people who were cajoled into going along with, with wokeness, but there's,
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there's, it only works up to a point and you can get to a point where the average person,
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um, what you're trying to force them to pretend they believe or to, you know, not along with
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and smile and nod and sort of accept it's just too much. It's, it's too outrageous. Um,
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and this is a, this is a good example of that. You know, this, this kind of thing where it's,
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uh, it's fat phobic. First of all, the, the idea of fat phobic, just the term itself is too much
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for most people. It's ridiculous. Um, and, um, everything else there too. And the other thing
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you see in that video is that, uh, for most woke activists, their whole worldview is really
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structured around their own personal, um, pet peeves and hangups and anxieties. So in this case,
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you've got a bunch of women who feel embarrassed when another woman eats less cake than they do.
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And so that's what this is really all about. They, that, that, that when they're at a work
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function and, or, you know, someone brings cake to the break room and, uh, or they're at a party.
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And when, when they see a woman who's in good shape say, Oh, I'll take a smaller piece.
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These other women who are fat feel that makes them feel embarrassed. And, uh, cause they know they're
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about to chow down on the whole day. In fact, they wanted, they were going to ask for a bigger piece
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than, than what they were being served. Um, and now they've constructed a whole philosophy really
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around condemning that skinny woman who wanted less cake. It's like their whole worldview,
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their whole personal philosophy is really just structured around that woman, um, and, uh,
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condemning her and, and all of that. That's, that's basically what wokeness is.
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cancellation. A few years ago, a pastor in Colorado named Will Duffy came up with a project called the
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Final Experiment, which is a pretty bold name for an experiment, especially since the Final Experiment
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wasn't trying to break any new ground in science or anything like that. Instead, the idea of the Final
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Experiment was to debunk once and for all the idea that the Earth is flat. Now you think that if there
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was a final experiment that proved that fact, it already happened like 500 years ago, but some people
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in the modern world are somehow still not convinced, which brought us to this experiment. Will Duffy
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planned to talk to a bunch of flat earthers, earn their trust, and ultimately fly them out 9,000 miles
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to Antarctica on a $40,000 trip that would cure them of their delusions. Now, this might seem like a
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complete waste of time, sort of like trying to convince the local vagrant that the voices in
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his head aren't real. But as it turns out, there's still an active community of flat earthers on the
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internet. And many of them are surprisingly not crazy. I mean, the flat earth stuff is crazy. But aside from
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that, you know, aside from believing the earth is flat, they can often be relatively reasonable people.
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Now, sure, they'll look at satellite photos of the earth and constellations and boats that
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circumnavigate the globe, and they'll come up with bizarre, incoherent explanations for all of it. But
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otherwise, aside from that, they often seem like relatively high-functioning people. So for several
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reasons, Duffy has been having conversations with flat earthers to, for several years, rather, having these
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conversations to figure out why they don't believe the official consensus. He's been posting a lot of these
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conversations online. This is a clip from one of those recent conversations. Watch.
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From a flat earth point of view, I've always been mindful that the government isn't always truthful. And that's been with
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me for years. When I was age 20, I read a book by Vance Packard called Hidden Persuaders, which opened my eyes
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to the invisible forces that are controlling how we think.
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Now, if you watch enough of these interviews, you'll realize that this is the common thread that unites a lot of
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flat earthers. They become skeptical of everything they're told by experts and the government, which at face value
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is, I mean, that part of it is an understandable perspective. But in their case, that skepticism
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metastasizes until they're questioning some of the most basic and obvious and observable facts of reality.
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They come up with new arguments that supposedly disprove the idea that the earth is a sphere
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Almost as if they're not really convinced of what they're saying, but they want to hear someone prove them wrong
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And in this particular conversation, the flat earther, his name is Steve
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Goes on for about an hour with various arguments that in his mind prove the earth is flat
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Now, of course, because flat eartherism is incoherent
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At one point, he displayed ring doorbell footage that's supposedly from the same location at the same time of day
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And in the photos, there's significantly different lighting
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And apparently this ring doorbell footage is proof
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that we're not revolving around the sun in any kind of predictable orbit
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Then he pulls up random stock images from a photography website to make a similar point, but
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appears to confuse the sun with the moon, which is kind of an important distinction
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And you also notice how this is the one thing about flat earthers
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And anyone who ascribes to the delusional conspiracy theories
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And not everything that's called a conspiracy theory is delusional
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And there is that category of conspiracy theorists who are actually delusional
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And you notice this about this category that they tend to be a bit selective in their skepticism
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So in this case, they'll dismiss any video or photograph taken from a satellite
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Because you can look at any of those images and you can see
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But then they'll build a whole case around footage from a ring doorbell camera
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And he delivers probably his best argument in favor of the idea that the earth is flat
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And while this argument still makes no sense whatsoever
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And the concept of science and human reason itself
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And then you get onto Drake's Passage and the ship