The Matt Walsh Show - December 19, 2024


Ep. 1506 - Why Derek Chauvin Deserves a New Trial (And Will Win It)


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00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, Derek Chauvin's legal team is pushing for a new trial. I'll
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00:01:50.060 With the acquittal of Daniel Penny in Manhattan, it's clear that Democrats are going to have some
00:01:55.500 difficulty rounding up political prisoners for the next few years. As that trial demonstrated,
00:02:00.480 they can't even sell a BLM narrative to a jury full of liberal women and a guy wearing a COVID mask,
00:02:05.520 by the way. People are more skeptical of race hysteria now across party lines. They understand
00:02:10.640 when they're being manipulated. They care more about facts instead of whatever the corporate press
00:02:15.200 is saying. And that's all very bad news for Democrat prosecutors who are looking to collect
00:02:20.240 a scalp. But this development is obviously small comfort to the many victims of these prosecutors
00:02:26.040 who are still languishing away in prison after being convicted in show trials to appease the mob.
00:02:31.300 And of course, maybe the single most prominent of those victims is Derek Chauvin. Chauvin was,
00:02:37.260 as you know, a police officer in Minneapolis who went to work in May of 2020 with the goal of
00:02:42.120 protecting his community from violent felons, people like George Floyd. He's been sentenced
00:02:47.340 to more than two decades in prison because Floyd, who had a recent history of overdoses,
00:02:52.220 died in his custody while high on fatal levels of fentanyl. Now, the issue of causation was the
00:02:57.760 single most important issue of the trial. That is the question of whether Chauvin actually killed
00:03:03.000 Floyd. If Chauvin's actions weren't a substantial factor, quote unquote, in Floyd's death, then under
00:03:09.260 Minnesota law, he's innocent. And that pretty much sums up the entire case. That's the whole thing.
00:03:15.300 But after the trial was over, the jury came out and publicly admitted that they didn't really care
00:03:19.840 about this issue at all. Causation just didn't really matter to them. They gave an interview with
00:03:24.400 CNN where they explained that, in their view, Chauvin's actions didn't matter at all. Instead,
00:03:30.300 they determined that Chauvin was guilty because of what he didn't do. They didn't convict him for
00:03:36.160 murdering Floyd. They didn't convict him because his actions caused Floyd's death. Instead,
00:03:41.320 they convicted him for failing to care for George Floyd in some kind of unspecified way. Watch.
00:03:49.800 We got to the point, actually, that we realized for charge two, at some point, I think it was Jody,
00:03:58.420 I'm pretty sure it was Jody, said, wait a minute. Does the intended act of harm have to be the death of
00:04:08.920 George Floyd? Or can it be him not providing the life support? And it was like, all of a sudden,
00:04:14.380 light bulbs just went on for those people, I think, that were undecided or on the not guilty side.
00:04:21.280 Yeah. Go ahead. I want to hear from you, Jody. Why is it? You brought that up? What did you?
00:04:25.900 I brought that up. Tell me what you brought up and why. I brought up to the fact that this is not
00:04:31.540 what he did, but more or less what he didn't do. He did not provide life-saving measures for George
00:04:37.920 Floyd when he knew that the guy was in pain or needed medical attention. Why do you think that
00:04:45.460 was a light bulb? Well, when we were in deliberations, and Jody did bring that up,
00:04:50.740 and we did look through everything very, very carefully, what I thought about is something
00:04:55.860 that was said during the trial, and that is Minneapolis Police Department has a model.
00:05:01.380 And if I'm understanding it correctly, their model is in our custody, in our care.
00:05:06.980 George Floyd was in their custody. He was never in their care. And that, for me, just,
00:05:13.500 it just hit hard. I don't feel like they ever cared for him.
00:05:19.740 You know, it's an incredible piece of footage. First of all, there's no reason for a jury to be
00:05:24.280 looking for a light bulb moment, which allows them to rationalize a guilty verdict, unless they were
00:05:29.860 looking for some pretext to convict Chauvin, which they obviously were. The jury shouldn't be trying
00:05:34.700 to find a way to get a conviction. They should be looking at whether the prosecution proved its case
00:05:38.860 beyond a reasonable doubt. And if they find themselves doubting the prosecution proved its
00:05:42.900 case, they don't get to rewrite the law to help the prosecution out. But in this case,
00:05:48.260 it's exactly what the jury did. They ultimately decided to hold Chauvin accountable for things
00:05:52.200 he didn't do. He didn't respond compassionately enough to George Floyd's overdose or live up to
00:05:58.800 the police department's motto, I guess, even though none of those things, even if they were true,
00:06:03.160 would make Chauvin a murderer. The new rule, according to this jury, is that police officers have an
00:06:08.260 obligation to perform CPR on violent suspects the moment they say they can't breathe, even though
00:06:13.640 Floyd was claiming that he couldn't breathe just a few minutes earlier when he was resisting arrest
00:06:18.520 and struggling with the officers in the back of a patrol car. And if police officers don't administer
00:06:23.120 CPR and someone dies, they will just assume that the officer killed them. We'll just make that leap of
00:06:28.880 logic because, you know, why not? But just because the jury didn't consider the issue of causation to be
00:06:34.680 relevant, that doesn't mean that it's not relevant. From a legal perspective on appeal,
00:06:38.780 it's still very important. And that's why a federal judge in Minnesota named Paul Magnuson,
00:06:45.140 who was appointed by Ronald Reagan, has just issued in the last week a ruling that could ultimately lead
00:06:51.220 to a new trial in this case. This is a decision that's worth looking at and dissecting at length
00:06:56.320 because it highlights what a farce the trial of Derek Chauvin really was. No matter how corrupt you
00:07:02.380 think this trial was, it was actually a lot worse than you probably think. Now, the decision came
00:07:08.820 in response to a motion filed by Chauvin's new lawyer in federal court. Chauvin's legal team is
00:07:14.100 seeking to have his conviction overturned in part because his previous lawyer was ineffective to
00:07:19.040 the point that he denied Chauvin his constitutional right to a fair trial. There are other objections
00:07:23.660 too, including that many of the jurors said they felt threatened by the mob. So Chauvin obviously
00:07:29.860 didn't get a fair trial because they thought that their lives were in danger if they didn't convict,
00:07:33.280 which they probably were. Not that that excuses them. But there are two central claims in the
00:07:39.340 motion arguing that Chauvin received ineffective assistance of counsel. And the first is that
00:07:45.260 Chauvin's lawyer during the trial failed to tell Chauvin that a doctor had determined that George
00:07:52.400 Floyd died due to acute heart failure resulting in pulmonary edema and death. There were indications
00:07:58.360 that Floyd had a heart tumor that could have caused sudden cardiac death and Chauvin was never told
00:08:04.200 about that, nor was it brought up at trial, even though it seems like an extremely relevant fact. The
00:08:08.780 second claim is that Chauvin's lawyer should have listened to the doctor and ordered tests on samples that
00:08:13.600 were preserved from George Floyd's body. Those tests could have determined whether Floyd died of a type
00:08:18.860 of myocarditis or some other heart ailment. And now several years later, the federal judge has finally
00:08:24.560 allowed Chauvin's new legal team to conduct those tests. Depending on what they show, they could
00:08:29.340 completely undermine the prosecution's argument that Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd.
00:08:35.040 And that in turn could lead to the conviction being thrown out and potentially a new trial if
00:08:39.780 prosecutors decide to pursue it. Now, one of the reasons this is such an important ruling is that
00:08:44.020 in Chauvin's trial, there was clear evidence that the prosecution lied about the concentration of
00:08:48.700 fentanyl in George Floyd's system when he died. And if this case is tried again,
00:08:53.740 this is going to be a major issue. Now, you might remember that in the initial autopsy report,
00:08:58.640 the medical examiner determined that Floyd had lethal levels of fentanyl in his system. He said
00:09:03.160 that there were no physical signs of strangulation and that it looked like a textbook overdose. But
00:09:08.760 shortly afterwards, his assessment changed. Watch. Medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker testified that
00:09:16.520 in his initial autopsy on George Floyd, he found no physical evidence of asphyxia and the coronary
00:09:22.820 artery disease and hypertension contributed to his death. Baker later added Floyd's high level of
00:09:29.480 fentanyl and other drugs in his system also were factors in his death, as was the police restraint.
00:09:36.240 Baker says his office received hundreds of complaints and threats as a result of these findings.
00:09:41.200 But Baker denied he ever felt pressured to change his conclusions.
00:09:45.600 Now, the threats and political pressure we're supposed to conclude didn't influence the medical examiner.
00:09:50.700 We're supposed to pretend that he somehow wasn't bothered by the mob that was threatening to destroy
00:09:56.440 the entire city of Minneapolis when he changed his determination about the cause of George Floyd's
00:10:01.360 death. We're also supposed to think that Democrats in Minneapolis didn't exert any political pressure
00:10:06.380 at all. But as the reporter Liz Carlin found, there were even there was even more pressure on the
00:10:13.100 medical examiner than many people realize. Here's one internal memo from a prosecuting attorney
00:10:17.160 in Minneapolis at the time. And as you could see, according to the memo on May 26, 2020, a team of
00:10:24.540 six FBI agents met with medical examiners, medical examiner Andrew Baker, to discuss his preliminary
00:10:30.240 findings. And then after this meeting, he changed his conclusions. He decides that Floyd's death was a
00:10:36.400 homicide caused by neck compression and that fentanyl wasn't the cause. A new trial, if that's where this
00:10:43.140 goes, would offer Chauvin's new defense team an opportunity to pick this claim apart. And this
00:10:49.320 is an opportunity that Chauvin's first legal team missed completely for some reason during the first
00:10:54.700 trial. Outside of a few accounts on social media, people like Data Hazard, for example, no one's really
00:11:00.100 talked about this, but it's an incredible oversight by the defense team and a remarkable act of corruption
00:11:05.440 by the prosecution. And if anything completely blows apart the case against Derek Chauvin,
00:11:10.480 it's this. So here's the moment in the trial that I'm talking about. This is maybe the single most
00:11:15.280 important testimony in the whole case. The prosecution is questioning a forensic toxicologist
00:11:20.540 about the levels of fentanyl in Floyd's blood. And watch how that unfolds. Here it is.
00:11:26.320 So this is basically a post-mortem concentrations or samples that were hospital blood samples that
00:11:35.520 were submitted by Mr. Floyd, for Mr. Floyd. And we found fentanyl at 11 nanograms per milliliter
00:11:40.880 and norfentanyl at 5.6 nanograms per milliliter. So this slide shows what the ratio of the parent drug
00:11:49.180 to the metabolite is. So 11 nanograms per milliliter divided by 5.6, the norfentanyl gave Mr. Floyd
00:11:56.200 a ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl of 1.96. How does Mr. Floyd's ratio compare to that data set?
00:12:04.340 So Mr. Floyd's ratio is roughly just a little bit below the median ratio in DUI.
00:12:11.220 So it's a lot to process with the graphs and the numbers flying around. But the basic idea
00:12:15.740 is that the expert is telling the jury that they collected post-mortem blood samples from George
00:12:22.080 Floyd, meaning the samples were taken after Floyd died. And they compared these samples to other
00:12:27.900 overdose victims and DUI suspects after their deaths. And Floyd's level of fentanyl were well
00:12:34.200 below both of those groups at the post-mortem stage. And so the conclusion was that Floyd didn't
00:12:39.820 overdose on fentanyl. The fundamental problem here is that Floyd's samples, according to the medical
00:12:44.620 examiner's records, were not actually conducted post-mortem or after death. They're comparing
00:12:51.380 Floyd's pre-death samples with other people's post-death samples. So to restate, there were
00:12:58.160 samples of blood collected from George Floyd before he died in the hospital, according to the
00:13:03.900 government's own documents. He wasn't actually pronounced dead until an hour after this incident
00:13:08.000 with Derek Chauvin when he was in the hospital, which a lot of people don't know that either.
00:13:11.400 And while he was in the hospital, his blood was drawn. And as the judge put it in his ruling this
00:13:17.120 week, quote, the autopsy report shows that anti-mortem blood was collected. And the prosecutor's
00:13:22.760 own statement from 2020 confirms that. Here's what they said at the time. This is from another
00:13:27.400 internal memo. Quote, Dr. Andrew Baker said that he had the final toxicology results from Mr. George
00:13:33.880 Floyd's samples. Those samples are from Mr. Floyd's hospital admission and were not acquired at autopsy.
00:13:39.120 Baker said that these samples are better for determining actual blood toxicity than samples
00:13:43.480 taken at autopsy. Samples taken at autopsy may have undergone post-mortem distribution. So
00:13:48.360 here we have anti-mortem samples or pre-death samples of Floyd's blood. And that means that they
00:13:54.600 were taken before the effects of Floyd's death could impact the samples. And here's the autopsy
00:14:00.420 report, which also confirms that Floyd's samples are anti-mortem. It reads,
00:14:04.900 testing performed on anti-mortem blood specimens collected 525-20 at 9 p.m., fentanyl 11 nanograms
00:14:11.980 per millimeter. So this couldn't be any more clear. These are pre-mortem samples, according to
00:14:18.020 the prosecution's own records. Now, you might be asking, what's the big deal? I mean, who cares if
00:14:23.500 Floyd's blood was collected before his death or after it? Aside from the fact that the fact that he
00:14:28.900 was not dead until he got to the hospital also seems pretty significant. He didn't die there on the
00:14:33.540 street as, like, pretty much everyone thinks happened. But even aside from that, this is a
00:14:39.660 pretty significant distinction because after death, fentanyl concentrations in the bodies
00:14:45.380 of overdose victims are dramatically higher than they are before death. It's a difference of up to
00:14:50.820 900% within eight hours of death. And that's because when you die, blood stops pumping. So blood
00:14:57.260 concentrations change, and it drastically affects the way that these samples read. So what the
00:15:03.380 prosecution did, in effect, was compare Floyd's fentanyl levels before this massive spike with
00:15:09.220 the fentanyl levels of overdose victims after this massive spike. Of course, Floyd's levels were lower
00:15:15.540 in this case because it was before the spike. And based on this apples to oranges comparison,
00:15:21.060 the prosecutor convinced the jury that Floyd's death could not have anything to do with fentanyl.
00:15:25.500 So in other words, when he arrived at the hospital, Floyd had a level of fentanyl in his blood that
00:15:30.680 was consistent with an overdose victim when his pre-mortem blood was tested. In fact, Floyd's
00:15:35.340 levels of fentanyl were more than two times the average lethal level that you see in fentanyl overdoses.
00:15:40.100 But prosecution hid this fact from the jury by presenting these blood samples as post-mortem.
00:15:45.860 They compared Floyd's number with other people who had been dead for several hours. That's the game
00:15:50.900 they played. And largely how they got a conviction. Now, it's impossible to overstate the significance
00:15:56.560 of this deception. This was the crux of the prosecution's entire argument. I mean,
00:16:01.280 they hid it again and again, including during closing arguments. Watch.
00:16:05.900 Let's talk about what was in the system and the toxicology report. And you heard from Dr.
00:16:10.900 Eisenschmidt, right? And what he testified was that George Floyd's fentanyl to norfentanyl ratio,
00:16:18.380 the metabolite norfentanyl, that was well below the ratio of people who die from a fentanyl overdose.
00:16:26.320 It was even below the median. And George Floyd's methamphetamine level, that was 94% lower than
00:16:33.940 the group for driving, population for driving under the influence. And Dr. Rich and Dr. Smock,
00:16:42.480 they've treated patients who are under the influence of both fentanyl and methamphetamine.
00:16:48.160 And they testified, these drugs did not kill George Floyd. It didn't. We know that he had a tolerance
00:16:55.140 because he used drugs in the past. So again, he's showing the chart with false information,
00:17:01.400 presenting the numbers as postmortem. And then at the end of that clip, the prosecutor claims that
00:17:06.020 Floyd has built up a tolerance to fentanyl, implying that because he had overdosed before,
00:17:11.020 his body could handle a high concentration of the drug. But that was never proven at trial either.
00:17:16.580 We know that George Floyd had used fentanyl several times before, even overdosed just months before his
00:17:22.260 death, resulting in his hospitalization. But that's very different from saying that Floyd was somehow
00:17:25.780 immune to the fatal effects of a fentanyl overdose, which was never demonstrated at trial because
00:17:31.920 it's impossible. It's absurd. The other major problem here is that the prosecution's witness
00:17:36.700 testified that Floyd died on the street, which seems incompatible with the idea that pre-death
00:17:42.140 blood samples were later collected in the hospital. Watch.
00:17:45.360 You're seeing here fatal injury to the brain from a lack of oxygen.
00:17:54.040 Minutes later, still pinned to the ground by Chauvin.
00:17:56.940 That's the moment the life goes out of his body.
00:18:00.660 So this whole trial was full of incidents like this. There was the fact that Floyd's suspected
00:18:05.440 drug dealer wasn't prosecuted, which allowed him to take the fifth and avoid testifying about the
00:18:10.600 drugs in Floyd's possession. There was the prosecuting attorney who was allegedly threatened,
00:18:14.860 but professional consequences for refusing to add charges against Chauvin. There was a testimony
00:18:19.660 from Andrew Baker who admitted under cross-examination that Chauvin's knee did not cut off
00:18:23.700 Floyd's airway. There was the statement from the judge in the case saying every case is about
00:18:29.320 racial justice, you may remember. There was the fact that the prosecution tried to hide the tape
00:18:33.800 of George Floyd saying, I can't breathe when he was still in the squad car and Chauvin's knee
00:18:38.340 was nowhere near his neck. In 2024, there would be a chance that a jury would see through all of this
00:18:47.680 corruption and vote to acquit Derek Chauvin. But in 2021, Chauvin was never going to receive a fair
00:18:54.120 trial. The threat of violence by BLM was too real. Propaganda from corporate media was still believable
00:19:00.060 to millions of Americans, in part because all social media was censored. And Democrats had far
00:19:06.000 too much political power. So none of that is true anymore. That's why Daniel Penny was just acquitted.
00:19:12.060 And if you reverse it, and if Daniel Penny had his trial back in 2020 or 2021, the result probably
00:19:19.500 would have been very different. That's also why if Derek Chauvin is granted the new trial that he
00:19:26.140 clearly deserves, I think he will be acquitted too. Now let's get to our five headlines.
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00:22:42.500 new year, Pornhub will leave Florida thanks to a harsh new age verification law that takes effect on
00:22:47.120 January 1st. The porn giant will no longer do business in the Sunshine State. The law mirrors
00:22:52.340 similar laws passed in other Republican-led states where Pornhub has stopped doing business.
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00:23:04.280 you will lose access to Pornhub in 14 days. It reads the window that dominates the screen on the
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00:23:20.440 You'll be required to prove you're 18 years or older, such as by uploading your government ID
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00:23:51.580 to prove they're 18 years old by showing a government ID. Florida's law is HB3. The law is
00:23:57.240 broad. It requires a website that provides material that is harmful to minors to provide a means of
00:24:03.120 anonymous age verification to its minors. The Free Speech Coalition, a trade group that represents
00:24:11.400 pornography websites, has been fighting these laws in court. Quote, these laws create a substantial
00:24:16.760 burden on adults who want to access legal sites without fear of surveillance. Despite the claims
00:24:21.920 of the proponents, HB3 is not the same as showing an ID at a liquor store. It is invasive and carries
00:24:27.140 significant risks to privacy. The parent company of Pornhub has said that, quoting now,
00:24:35.900 the best solution to make the internet safer, preserve user privacy, and prevent children from
00:24:40.020 accessing adult content is performing age verification at the source on the device. So, and they also,
00:24:50.640 ILO is the name of the parent company, I guess, A-Y-L-O. And they say that there's, you know,
00:24:56.980 safety concerns and privacy concerns with requiring users to give an ID, to show an ID.
00:25:04.720 So, a few things. First of all, congratulations to Florida. This just makes Florida an even better
00:25:12.420 place to live, I imagine. And second, I love this claim that a law requiring users to provide
00:25:19.700 identification is somehow a substantial burden. That's what they're saying. That's what the Free
00:25:25.340 Speech Coalition, so-called is. It's a substantial burden to have to provide an ID. Well, let me just
00:25:32.220 say, if you live such a life that having to provide your driver's license to a porn site
00:25:38.180 is a substantial burden, if you are substantially burdened by that, then it tells me something about
00:25:49.080 you. That's a reflection of you, not the law. And this is one of the two scenarios where the left
00:25:57.020 tells us that having to show an ID is some great, terrible, unreasonable burden. It's like porn, and
00:26:04.760 then, of course, the other one is voting. Those are the two. You have to show ID to do everything else
00:26:10.340 in life, in adult life anyway, right? You have to basically carry your ID around with you everywhere.
00:26:16.780 You have to be ready and able to show it every single time you sit in the driver's seat of a car.
00:26:23.900 Everything requires ID. But if you have to show it to vote or to watch porn, suddenly it's oppressive.
00:26:30.700 It's not oppressive. It's not oppressive in any of those other scenarios, right? But in those two
00:26:36.200 specifically, it is. It's an enormous burden all of a sudden. Well, I just don't take those crocodile
00:26:45.160 tears very seriously. Because if you would rather expose children to pornography than be slightly
00:26:53.180 inconvenienced while accessing pornography, then I just really don't care about your opinion that much.
00:26:59.460 You're just not a serious person or a good person or even a vaguely decent person.
00:27:07.680 Because when it comes to any law, there are always going to be trade-offs. There will always be
00:27:15.240 competing interests when it comes to any law, right? And in this case, you have on one hand
00:27:22.200 the need to protect children from extremely harmful content that will damage them emotionally,
00:27:30.860 psychologically, spiritually. On the other hand, you have the desire of porn users to access porn quickly
00:27:39.860 without any inconveniences. So those are the two competing interests in this case.
00:27:48.540 Those are the two forces that are, you know, pulling against each other. And it's really not much of a
00:27:55.380 competition, I have to say. It's a trade-off that I'm perfectly willing to make. Any decent person would
00:28:04.480 be. And you notice the other thing about this that's pretty wild, which is that Pornhub
00:28:12.300 says that it puts users at risk, it puts their privacy at risk if they have to give their ID to
00:28:20.840 access the site. So this is the argument that Pornhub is making. They're saying it's not just a matter of
00:28:26.600 inconvenience, it's also a risk because you're giving your ID. Well, wait a minute, Pornhub.
00:28:36.460 Why would that put anyone at risk? They're giving their IDs to you, aren't they? Isn't that what's
00:28:43.740 happening? They're giving their IDs to you as the website? Are you saying that you're not capable of
00:28:49.060 protecting the privacy of your own users? You're a multi-billion dollar company and yet you can't
00:28:56.520 figure out how to keep that information private? It's only a risk. It's only an invasion of privacy
00:29:01.920 privacy if, you know, if you somehow cannot keep your users' information private.
00:29:12.300 So if you're admitting that, if you would rather shut down access entirely in a state instead of
00:29:19.800 simply ensuring that you protect the privacy of your users and handle their private information
00:29:25.560 with care and discretion, well then again, that also tells me something about this company.
00:29:29.440 So don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly happy for Pornhub to shut down entirely in a state or in every
00:29:36.060 state, but this is a pretty revealing statement. It's really, it's like a confession because their
00:29:41.600 argument is that you can't trust them with your ID. You know, that's the argument.
00:29:48.620 Again, imagine that anyone else, any other, let's say adult-oriented business used an argument like
00:30:01.320 this. Imagine that, you know, the alcohol industry and liquor stores started arguing that, well, you
00:30:10.020 shouldn't have to show an ID to, imagine a liquor store saying that. No, you shouldn't have to show me
00:30:17.240 your ID because then you're putting your privacy at risk. I was like, well, that's the liquor store
00:30:25.380 saying that that's them confessing to something. Why should that put privacy at risk? Unless you are
00:30:33.420 saying that you are going to be careless with that information or use it in some nefarious way.
00:30:39.060 And the thing is, I agree, actually. I certainly wouldn't trust Pornhub with my ID. I wouldn't
00:30:50.460 trust them. So they're basically saying you can't trust them. And this is one area where I agree with
00:30:56.560 them. I would not want Pornhub to have my ID, but that's an argument for just not patronizing Pornhub at
00:31:04.460 all. It's not an argument for not having systems in place to protect kids. And by the way, one other
00:31:12.060 thing is I actually agree with them on another point, sort of, partially, in that they say that
00:31:19.280 there should be age verification on the device. There should be age verification on the phones,
00:31:23.940 on the computers, and so on. And that part, now, they're only saying that they don't actually want
00:31:29.200 age verification on anything. Let's be clear. They don't want age verification on the phones.
00:31:35.640 They don't want anything because they want kids to access this stuff. They want everyone to access
00:31:43.360 it because it's more money for them, more clicks, more money. And so they don't care. They don't care
00:31:48.160 if it's adults, kids. They don't care. But they're just deflecting. They're, you know, they're punting
00:31:53.080 the ball. And they're saying, no, don't, don't make us do it. Make the cell phone companies and
00:32:00.060 all that do it. But yeah, there should be age verification on the device, too. There should,
00:32:06.040 there should be protections put on devices, on computers. Let's, let's do all of that. Okay,
00:32:13.060 that's the answer. That every porn site should be required to verify ages. And every cell phone
00:32:23.440 company should be required to put, you know, protections in place on the device to protect
00:32:32.240 children from this stuff. I mean, it, this should be, it's not an either or proposition. It's all of
00:32:38.520 that should be happening. We should, as a society, be treating this as a, this is a crisis level
00:32:46.280 event. I mean, that's, that's how we should be treating it. When you've got millions of children
00:32:53.040 who are accessing the kind of content that even, even up to 20 years ago,
00:33:03.540 the vast majority of humans, including adults, would, would never see or, or have access to.
00:33:13.520 You know, of course, we, the people that want to be dismissive of the harmful effects of pornography
00:33:17.880 will always say, oh, well, there was a, you know, Playboy magazine existed for decades before internet
00:33:24.460 porn and there'd been strip clubs and all the rest of it. First of all, you know, I think it should be
00:33:31.840 needless to say something like Playboy magazine is, is a tame in comparison to stuff that's all over
00:33:40.160 the internet. That's the first thing. But the second thing is the accessibility of this stuff. I
00:33:45.900 mean, now it's everywhere. It's on every device. Anyone can access it. And it wasn't like that in
00:33:51.500 the past. I mean, they may have had strip clubs in the past, but it, it, the vast majority of people
00:33:56.180 weren't going to a strip club and kids were not going to strip clubs. Um, and the vast majority of people
00:34:01.300 were not, didn't have Playboy magazine and kids, vast majority of them did not have access to Playboy
00:34:06.900 magazine. Um, now everyone has access to it. And, uh, and so it becomes a, that, that's the crisis. Um,
00:34:16.580 having a whole generation of multiple generations of kids now who, uh, are, are growing up going
00:34:27.160 through their formative years, um, on a, while on a steady diet of the most perverse filth imaginable
00:34:36.780 and not imaginable. Um, we, we can't even begin to understand the long-term effects of that,
00:34:44.660 but we do know it's going to be really bad. It already is really bad.
00:34:49.440 And so we need to be pulling every lever to stop this and to protect these kids. And that,
00:34:54.760 that should be the, the number one priority. Yesterday, we told you about San Francisco's
00:34:59.200 new, uh, fat acceptance czar. Uh, I think that was her official title. This is a woman that has
00:35:05.080 been hired by the city to consult with them on how to better promote obesity and, uh, and heart
00:35:11.120 disease promote those things, not fight them or combat them or treat them, but promote them. Uh,
00:35:17.120 they want to promote it. They want to celebrate it. And, uh, so over the last day or two more videos
00:35:22.280 of this woman, uh, Virgie Tover is her name have surfaced, uh, videos of this now tax funded fat
00:35:32.420 consultant. And I just want to play a couple of these for you. And we'll, we'll start with this.
00:35:38.520 This is our friend, Virgie tax funded fat consultant in San Francisco. Now, uh, before she
00:35:45.580 got the gig, I believe declaring that quote, nobody has to be healthy, which is an interesting
00:35:53.900 statement. Uh, let's listen. Where do you see the intersection? Really? What is your definition
00:36:00.580 of health? Yeah, that's really complicated, right? I think I want to sort of, I want to talk about that
00:36:07.580 question, but I want to start by saying that, you know, no one has to be healthy. No, right? Like, I
00:36:14.640 mean, it's like, no, like there is no governing body that's like out there putting, you know what I mean?
00:36:19.080 It's like, no one owes anybody that in either the traditional sense of the word or any other more
00:36:26.140 innovative or, you know, more politicized, maybe even version of that word. So I think it's important
00:36:31.140 to say like, and, and I want to back up and bring in intersectionality and say like, right, like, look at the
00:36:36.140 disabled community, right? Um, like I think people with disabilities have, and activists within that space
00:36:42.140 have consistently been saying like, I'm never going to be your notion of healthy. That doesn't mean I don't get to be a full human.
00:36:47.520 You get to treat me some kind of way. Right. And so I think that I love taking that principle within disability rights
00:36:54.380 to fat activism and to understandings of fatness. So I want to start there, right? Like no matter what size you are,
00:37:00.380 you don't owe anybody else your health. But I mean, for me, right, like in an ideal world where like an ideal world,
00:37:08.120 there wouldn't be health-based gatekeeping.
00:37:12.220 So she says that, um, nobody has to be healthy. Uh, there's no governing body forcing you to be healthy.
00:37:20.380 Well, first of all, RFK Jr. might have something to say about that very soon, but, uh, that aside, uh, yes, you are
00:37:29.100 correct that you don't have to be healthy. You have the right to be unhealthy. I suppose, if you want to put
00:37:33.920 it that way, you have the right legally to become fat and diseased and die before you turn 40. You
00:37:40.680 don't have the moral right, right? Because a moral right that, you know, you, cause you, in fact, have a
00:37:47.200 moral obligation to be, be healthy and to take care of your body, take care of your health. That's a moral,
00:37:54.840 a moral obligation that you have. So you actually don't have the moral right to abuse yourself to
00:38:01.940 the extent that you become morbidly obese, but you do have the legal right. And, uh, and our legal
00:38:07.780 rights and our moral, you know, you have legal rights and moral obligations. And sometimes those
00:38:14.480 things line up and sometimes they don't, but, um, sure, legally, like no one can legally require you
00:38:22.520 to not be fat. Um, and I think that even with RFK Jr. coming in, it would be very hard to come up
00:38:30.620 with a law. I, you know, I, even I, um, uh, even in a scenario where I ascend to my throne
00:38:38.380 and become a dictator of the hemisphere, I'm not even sure that I would outlaw obesity. I'm an
00:38:45.540 outlaw a lot of things. Don't get me wrong, but I don't know that I would outlaw obesity just
00:38:49.000 because the, the enforcement mechanism just seems like a pain and, uh, it's not worth my time.
00:38:55.100 So yeah, you have the legal right to be, um, fat and to, and to die. Uh, but here we see the very
00:39:03.040 common confusion, uh, common in modern culture, this common confusion between what we have the right
00:39:09.260 to do and what is right to do. And for a lot of people, especially people on the left, especially
00:39:16.520 somebody like this, they just very much struggle. They conflate those things. They don't understand
00:39:21.240 that. Um, it's like when, and this is why they'll often respond when, when you make a moral statement
00:39:28.180 and you say, you should be healthy. You should take care of your health. You should take care of your
00:39:34.100 body. Um, and you, when you say that they'll respond by saying, well, I don't have to, I don't
00:39:39.960 have to do that. You can't tell me what to do. It's like, well, you don't have to, but you should
00:39:45.940 is that we're talking about what you should do, what, what is right to do, not what you have the
00:39:51.380 right to do. And, uh, there's a, uh, uh, the conflation between those things, the, the, the,
00:39:58.420 the number of people who struggle to understand that basic distinction is pretty mind boggling.
00:40:04.080 Here's another video from this woman and here she is explaining, we're not gonna play the whole
00:40:08.480 thing because it, it goes on at length, but, uh, uh, it is all about cake and, um, why it's
00:40:17.180 oppressive to make people feel bad about the amount of cake that they eat. Listen.
00:40:26.520 CRFI. If you're like many women, you've been to a birthday party or a small office gathering,
00:40:33.100 an event that's meant to bring people together. There's swinging tunes, some adult beverages,
00:40:40.840 and good convo. And then it comes time to cut the cake and someone decides to ruin everything.
00:40:49.800 Oh my God. That slice is huge. That slice is bigger than Beyonce's paycheck.
00:40:55.540 Can you cut me half of half of that? A cake related fat phobic incident or CRFI
00:41:03.240 is that moment when it's time to eat delicious cake and it's interrupted by a moralizing impulse.
00:41:11.860 Inevitably, there's always someone at the party who has to declare publicly that their slice is too
00:41:18.280 large and that the person who's cutting the cake, almost invariably a woman, must do some
00:41:24.600 disproportionate amount of labor in order to accommodate their need to feel superior.
00:41:30.440 Let's take a look. Can you do a little bit?
00:41:34.080 Cake related fat phobic incident is what, uh, she just said. And not as a joke. That was not meant to
00:41:39.620 be a joke. Um, I'm not sure I've ever seen a video that better illustrates one, well, really multiple,
00:41:47.420 uh, important points about these, these, uh, these woke activists. And maybe first and foremost,
00:41:56.780 um, this is why wokeness is dying. Uh, this right here, I mean, not this specific video about
00:42:06.820 the cake, but this kind of thing, this utterly inane. It's so ridiculous. It's, it's so
00:42:17.060 just vapid and preposterous that it's not, it's not sustainable. I mean, it, it, it collapses out
00:42:25.400 of exhaustion. You know, a lot of, I mean, the people in that video probably collapse out of
00:42:30.420 exhaustion after walking up the steps, but, um, and wokeness is kind of like that. It's, it, it is
00:42:36.020 also collapsing out of exhaustion. And I was talking about this recently with, um, uh, I think it was
00:42:41.920 with, with Adam Carolla on his, on his show that wokeness reached a point, uh, it crossed the
00:42:49.140 threshold and beyond that threshold, once it crossed it, but you could debate exactly when
00:42:55.640 that moment was, but once it was crossed its end, its demise became inevitable because the
00:43:03.840 suspension of disbelief was just too much. And what I mean is that wokeness has always relied
00:43:12.620 not on convincing people of its claims because almost nobody was convinced about any of this
00:43:20.300 stuff. Um, whether it's the, the racial stuff, the, the, you know, fat phobia, uh, gender ideology,
00:43:27.460 of course, big one, very few people were ever convinced, um, of, of, of the claims of, you
00:43:34.740 know, left-wing activists. So people weren't convinced they weren't persuaded, but rather
00:43:40.080 the left was cajoling people into pretending that they were convinced. Uh, wokeness thrived,
00:43:46.620 even though 99% of the country never believed it. Most of them pretended to, but eventually the
00:43:54.180 burden of pretending became too great because the things that they were being forced to
00:43:59.040 pretend, the beliefs that they were being told they have to falsely adopt were just too
00:44:05.240 outlandish. It was, it was too out there. It was too far-fetched. It was too embarrassing
00:44:10.300 and too outrageous and too insane. You know, it was one thing when the left, we used to call
00:44:17.100 it just political correctness before it became wokeness. It was, it was just, you know, and
00:44:22.200 political correctness. We lived in a politically correct culture for decades. And that was the
00:44:29.060 kind of thing that most people would just go along with, even if they thought it was a
00:44:33.600 little bit silly. Um, but they kept pushing and they kept pushing and then it became something
00:44:39.880 that it's just to, even someone who desires to be sort of polite and to, and to not to rock
00:44:47.480 the boat and, and someone who's more kind of wired to be non-confrontational, which is most people.
00:44:54.340 Um, those are the people who were cajoled into going along with, with wokeness, but there's,
00:45:01.760 there's, it only works up to a point and you can get to a point where the average person,
00:45:08.560 um, what you're trying to force them to pretend they believe or to, you know, not along with
00:45:15.700 and smile and nod and sort of accept it's just too much. It's, it's too outrageous. Um,
00:45:22.420 and this is a, this is a good example of that. You know, this, this kind of thing where it's,
00:45:28.540 uh, it's fat phobic. First of all, the, the idea of fat phobic, just the term itself is too much
00:45:35.620 for most people. It's ridiculous. Um, and, um, everything else there too. And the other thing
00:45:43.200 you see in that video is that, uh, for most woke activists, their whole worldview is really
00:45:49.740 structured around their own personal, um, pet peeves and hangups and anxieties. So in this case,
00:45:58.180 you've got a bunch of women who feel embarrassed when another woman eats less cake than they do.
00:46:06.040 And so that's what this is really all about. They, that, that, that when they're at a work
00:46:10.780 function and, or, you know, someone brings cake to the break room and, uh, or they're at a party.
00:46:16.900 And when, when they see a woman who's in good shape say, Oh, I'll take a smaller piece.
00:46:22.000 These other women who are fat feel that makes them feel embarrassed. And, uh, cause they know they're
00:46:27.820 about to chow down on the whole day. In fact, they wanted, they were going to ask for a bigger piece
00:46:31.860 than, than what they were being served. Um, and now they've constructed a whole philosophy really
00:46:37.280 around condemning that skinny woman who wanted less cake. It's like their whole worldview,
00:46:46.060 their whole personal philosophy is really just structured around that woman, um, and, uh,
00:46:52.560 condemning her and, and all of that. That's, that's basically what wokeness is.
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00:48:45.200 cancellation. A few years ago, a pastor in Colorado named Will Duffy came up with a project called the
00:48:57.220 Final Experiment, which is a pretty bold name for an experiment, especially since the Final Experiment
00:49:03.180 wasn't trying to break any new ground in science or anything like that. Instead, the idea of the Final
00:49:07.820 Experiment was to debunk once and for all the idea that the Earth is flat. Now you think that if there
00:49:15.500 was a final experiment that proved that fact, it already happened like 500 years ago, but some people
00:49:22.980 in the modern world are somehow still not convinced, which brought us to this experiment. Will Duffy
00:49:28.540 planned to talk to a bunch of flat earthers, earn their trust, and ultimately fly them out 9,000 miles
00:49:33.620 to Antarctica on a $40,000 trip that would cure them of their delusions. Now, this might seem like a
00:49:41.620 complete waste of time, sort of like trying to convince the local vagrant that the voices in
00:49:46.280 his head aren't real. But as it turns out, there's still an active community of flat earthers on the
00:49:51.040 internet. And many of them are surprisingly not crazy. I mean, the flat earth stuff is crazy. But aside from
00:49:59.620 that, you know, aside from believing the earth is flat, they can often be relatively reasonable people.
00:50:06.980 Now, sure, they'll look at satellite photos of the earth and constellations and boats that
00:50:11.360 circumnavigate the globe, and they'll come up with bizarre, incoherent explanations for all of it. But
00:50:16.560 otherwise, aside from that, they often seem like relatively high-functioning people. So for several
00:50:26.140 reasons, Duffy has been having conversations with flat earthers to, for several years, rather, having these
00:50:31.820 conversations to figure out why they don't believe the official consensus. He's been posting a lot of these
00:50:37.520 conversations online. This is a clip from one of those recent conversations. Watch.
00:50:43.040 From a flat earth point of view, I've always been mindful that the government isn't always truthful. And that's been with
00:50:53.200 me for years. When I was age 20, I read a book by Vance Packard called Hidden Persuaders, which opened my eyes
00:51:01.900 to the invisible forces that are controlling how we think.
00:51:09.760 Now, if you watch enough of these interviews, you'll realize that this is the common thread that unites a lot of
00:51:15.820 flat earthers. They become skeptical of everything they're told by experts and the government, which at face value
00:51:22.700 is, I mean, that part of it is an understandable perspective. But in their case, that skepticism
00:51:30.080 metastasizes until they're questioning some of the most basic and obvious and observable facts of reality.
00:51:36.340 Their imagination kind of runs wild and
00:51:38.520 They come up with new arguments that supposedly disprove the idea that the earth is a sphere
00:51:45.220 Almost as if they're not really convinced of what they're saying, but they want to hear someone prove them wrong
00:51:51.020 And in this particular conversation, the flat earther, his name is Steve
00:51:54.400 Goes on for about an hour with various arguments that in his mind prove the earth is flat
00:51:58.980 Now, of course, because flat eartherism is incoherent
00:52:02.380 The arguments he presents are also incoherent
00:52:05.340 At one point, he displayed ring doorbell footage that's supposedly from the same location at the same time of day
00:52:12.780 And in the photos, there's significantly different lighting
00:52:16.180 And apparently this ring doorbell footage is proof
00:52:19.380 that we're not revolving around the sun in any kind of predictable orbit
00:52:23.420 Then he pulls up random stock images from a photography website to make a similar point, but
00:52:28.380 appears to confuse the sun with the moon, which is kind of an important distinction
00:52:32.260 So it's all very hard to follow
00:52:34.100 And you also notice how this is the one thing about flat earthers
00:52:39.560 And anyone who ascribes to the delusional conspiracy theories
00:52:49.400 And not everything that's called a conspiracy theory is delusional
00:52:52.500 Flat eartherism is delusional
00:52:55.080 And there is that category of conspiracy theorists who are actually delusional
00:52:59.540 And you notice this about this category that they tend to be a bit selective in their skepticism
00:53:07.920 So in this case, they'll dismiss any video or photograph taken from a satellite
00:53:15.780 Or a spacecraft or the space station
00:53:19.960 Because you can look at any of those images and you can see
00:53:23.580 Well, clearly it's a globe
00:53:26.100 But they'll dismiss that
00:53:27.820 And they'll say, well, you can't trust that
00:53:29.000 But then they'll build a whole case around footage from a ring doorbell camera
00:53:34.120 So trust no one except ring doorbell cameras
00:53:39.760 Photos from the space station are not reliable
00:53:44.260 Images from a ring doorbell camera are
00:53:47.400 How do you make sense of that?
00:53:50.180 Well, that's just the way they look at it
00:53:53.340 But eventually Steve finds his footing
00:53:55.380 And he delivers probably his best argument in favor of the idea that the earth is flat
00:53:59.440 And while this argument still makes no sense whatsoever
00:54:03.900 And in fact is an affront to common sense
00:54:06.240 And the concept of science and human reason itself
00:54:08.600 It's at least somewhat entertaining
00:54:10.500 So we'll play part of it
00:54:12.240 Watch
00:54:12.700 You know, from the top of North America
00:54:15.360 A couple of thousand miles
00:54:16.820 It changes two hours
00:54:18.480 Another couple of thousand miles
00:54:20.060 Another two hours
00:54:21.080 Then you get down to Yeshua
00:54:22.780 And then you get onto Drake's Passage and the ship
00:54:24.620 And it leaps 16 hours
00:54:26.780 Over across 500 miles
00:54:29.000 I think 600 miles maximum between Yeshua
00:54:32.360 And when you get to Antarctica
00:54:35.060 Supposed continent of Antarctica
00:54:37.500 So it's a mind game
00:54:39.620 It's a mind F
00:54:40.660 You know, they get on the boat
00:54:43.920 And so they'll be looking up at the sun
00:54:47.380 And they'll look at their clock
00:54:48.280 And they go, my goodness me
00:54:49.440 What a magical place
00:54:50.580 You know
00:54:51.540 And it's not magical at all
00:54:53.740 It's basic common sense
00:54:55.840 I'm asking a question of the powers that be
00:54:59.540 Please really explain to me
00:55:01.300 Why you have made the time zones go
00:55:05.840 Two hours, two hours
00:55:07.040 Maybe a few thousand miles
00:55:08.020 Get down to Yeshua
00:55:09.240 Then it's a 16 hour
00:55:11.140 Time zone difference
00:55:13.540 What's that all about?
00:55:15.220 Why?
00:55:16.620 Now, one thing that Steve doesn't clarify
00:55:18.780 In his explanation
00:55:19.420 Is that time zones don't change
00:55:21.580 When you go from north to south
00:55:23.740 They change when you go west to east
00:55:25.220 Or vice versa
00:55:25.940 And that's a key point
00:55:26.940 Because it helps demonstrate
00:55:27.820 That the time zones
00:55:28.980 Or rather the different lighting conditions
00:55:31.420 And different time zones
00:55:32.400 Actually provide evidence
00:55:33.540 That the earth is spherical
00:55:35.080 I mean, if you needed evidence
00:55:36.380 Additional evidence
00:55:37.300 There you go
00:55:37.920 It doesn't suggest it's flat
00:55:40.840 It actually suggests the opposite
00:55:41.880 It's sunny in Manhattan
00:55:43.360 When it's dark in Japan
00:55:44.560 Because the sun is on one side of the sphere
00:55:46.760 And not the other
00:55:47.780 But Will Duffy understood
00:55:49.560 That the best way to convince
00:55:50.800 Flat earthers
00:55:52.040 That they're wrong
00:55:53.040 It's not really to engage them
00:55:54.800 In any kind of rational discourse
00:55:56.760 Instead, you know
00:55:57.600 You have to use a physical demonstration
00:55:59.340 That these people can see
00:56:00.400 With their own eyes
00:56:01.140 You have to demonstrate
00:56:02.360 To them in person
00:56:03.380 That they're very confused
00:56:05.300 About time zones
00:56:06.300 And the positioning of the sun
00:56:07.300 And so on
00:56:08.000 You have to prove to them
00:56:09.500 That their understanding
00:56:10.880 Of all these concepts
00:56:11.880 Is fatally flawed
00:56:13.020 So to that end
00:56:14.260 Duffy offered
00:56:15.900 Some prominent flat earthers
00:56:17.080 The opportunity
00:56:18.180 To go to Antarctica
00:56:19.320 To witness the 24 hour sun
00:56:21.620 Or the midnight sun
00:56:23.880 As Upworthy reported yesterday
00:56:26.540 Quote
00:56:26.920 In a flat earth model
00:56:28.520 Antarctica is usually depicted
00:56:30.040 As an ice wall
00:56:31.140 That encircles the rest of the planet
00:56:32.700 Sometimes it's shown
00:56:34.280 As its own distinct continent
00:56:35.720 However, by visiting Antarctica
00:56:37.500 In the summer
00:56:38.100 The team would be able
00:56:39.280 To see Antarctica's
00:56:40.400 Famous 24 hour sun
00:56:41.780 Or midnight sun
00:56:42.640 Up close and personal
00:56:43.520 Flat earthers crucially
00:56:44.940 Do not typically believe
00:56:45.980 That a 24 hour sun
00:56:46.960 Is possible
00:56:47.560 In their models
00:56:48.980 The sun would rise
00:56:49.920 And set in Antarctica
00:56:50.680 The same way it does
00:56:51.520 Everywhere else
00:56:52.120 The existence of midnight sun
00:56:54.020 Would, if not outright prove
00:56:55.180 At least heavily suggest
00:56:56.040 The earth is a tilted sphere
00:56:57.800 The other benefit
00:56:59.420 Of going to Antarctica
00:57:00.340 Is that it would
00:57:01.060 Hopefully demonstrate
00:57:01.740 That the earth
00:57:02.440 Is not in fact
00:57:03.240 Entirely surrounded
00:57:04.060 By an ice wall
00:57:05.100 Which separates the earth
00:57:06.180 From the rest of the universe
00:57:07.040 This was the proposal
00:57:09.780 That Duffy came up with
00:57:10.920 He covered the expenses
00:57:12.200 Of these flat earthers
00:57:13.100 To go and see
00:57:13.840 The 24 hour sun
00:57:14.780 In Antarctica
00:57:15.220 And to their credit
00:57:16.760 The flat earthers
00:57:17.720 Took Will Duffy
00:57:19.200 Up on his offer
00:57:20.580 The whole trip
00:57:22.260 Was streamed online
00:57:23.640 Via Starlink
00:57:24.740 And in the end
00:57:26.260 As expected
00:57:27.000 The sun was up
00:57:27.980 For 24 hours
00:57:28.700 Providing
00:57:29.160 Fairly convincing evidence
00:57:30.900 That the earth
00:57:31.840 Is not flat
00:57:32.620 Now, I don't see
00:57:35.240 Why it would necessarily
00:57:36.000 Be any more convincing
00:57:36.960 Than the 9 million
00:57:37.920 Other pieces
00:57:38.400 Of incontrovertible evidence
00:57:39.560 But maybe exhibit
00:57:41.560 9 million in one
00:57:42.620 Would somehow break through
00:57:43.820 For people who ignored
00:57:44.800 The first 9 million
00:57:45.660 What wasn't expected
00:57:47.320 At least not by everyone
00:57:48.420 Is how the flat earthers
00:57:50.440 Would respond
00:57:51.360 And in many cases
00:57:53.920 They didn't storm off
00:57:54.760 In anger or disbelief
00:57:55.780 Instead, for the most part
00:57:56.680 They processed what they'd seen
00:57:58.720 Relatively reasonable about it
00:58:00.840 Here's one of those
00:58:01.700 Flat earthers
00:58:02.420 A man named
00:58:03.120 Jaron Campanella
00:58:04.200 On the trip to Antarctica
00:58:05.720 This is a video
00:58:06.640 That's gone viral
00:58:07.260 The last couple days
00:58:07.940 And this guy
00:58:11.020 Is apparently pretty big
00:58:12.040 In the flat earth community
00:58:13.340 I guess
00:58:13.700 But here he is
00:58:15.860 After
00:58:16.200 Having his whole world view
00:58:19.520 Crumbled
00:58:20.380 Here he is
00:58:21.260 Now, turn it over
00:58:23.620 To the flat earthers
00:58:24.480 Who would like to go first
00:58:26.260 So obviously
00:58:27.480 You all know
00:58:28.100 Jaron Campanella
00:58:29.140 Of Jaronism
00:58:30.020 One of the most popular
00:58:31.440 Flat earth YouTube channels
00:58:33.060 Not for long
00:58:33.520 Alright guys
00:58:35.600 Sometimes
00:58:37.360 You are wrong
00:58:39.060 In life
00:58:39.980 And I thought
00:58:41.340 That there was
00:58:41.800 No 24 hour sun
00:58:42.540 In fact, I was pretty sure
00:58:43.380 Of it
00:58:43.600 But
00:58:44.320 I respect
00:58:45.520 Will Duffy
00:58:46.100 For being
00:58:46.740 A stand up guy
00:58:47.900 At least in the way
00:58:49.220 That he kept saying
00:58:50.380 It was true
00:58:51.080 I kept saying it wasn't
00:58:52.080 He said
00:58:53.220 Do you want to go
00:58:53.940 I'll take you
00:58:54.460 And he brought me here
00:58:55.500 And it's a fact
00:58:56.840 The sun
00:58:57.480 Does
00:58:58.920 Circle you
00:58:59.980 In the south
00:59:00.560 So
00:59:01.420 What does that mean?
00:59:02.320 You guys are going to have to
00:59:02.980 Figure that out yourself
00:59:03.740 Don't listen to my
00:59:05.280 Beliefs
00:59:06.080 Or my opinion
00:59:06.580 It shouldn't matter to you
00:59:07.420 But at least
00:59:08.280 You should be able to
00:59:09.120 Accept
00:59:09.580 That the sun
00:59:11.760 Does exactly
00:59:12.280 What these guys said
00:59:13.220 As far as
00:59:13.800 Circles the
00:59:14.560 Southern continent
00:59:15.800 So
00:59:16.080 That's about it
00:59:17.620 I
00:59:17.880 I realized that
00:59:19.160 I'll be called a shill
00:59:21.420 For just saying that
00:59:22.860 And you know what
00:59:23.500 If you're a shill
00:59:24.780 For being honest
00:59:25.740 So be it
00:59:26.440 I honestly
00:59:27.400 Believe there was no
00:59:28.420 24 hour sun
00:59:29.240 I honestly now
00:59:30.360 Believe there is
00:59:30.880 It seems like the moon
00:59:31.980 Does circle here
00:59:32.960 As well
00:59:33.960 So start thinking
00:59:34.900 About that as well
00:59:35.600 It doesn't mean that
00:59:37.020 AE map is over
00:59:37.920 Flat earth is over
00:59:38.600 Maybe somebody's got the answer
00:59:40.300 I don't have that answer
00:59:41.600 Right now
00:59:42.300 So
00:59:42.740 Just want to say
00:59:44.520 Thanks again
00:59:44.920 Appreciate it
00:59:45.840 Thanks Bill
00:59:46.200 So at the end
00:59:47.560 He leaves open
00:59:48.200 The possibility
00:59:48.800 That maybe the
00:59:49.820 Flat earth theory
00:59:50.460 Can somehow be validated
00:59:51.640 But for the most part
00:59:52.840 He's polite and rational
00:59:54.260 As he processes
00:59:55.280 The whole thing
00:59:55.900 He's been confronted
00:59:57.180 With evidence
00:59:57.960 That everything
00:59:58.500 He's been saying
00:59:59.100 Is wrong
00:59:59.520 He built his
01:00:00.040 Whole world
01:00:01.020 His whole world view
01:00:02.220 I mean his literal
01:00:02.920 World view
01:00:03.520 Around a falsehood
01:00:05.140 And you know
01:00:07.040 Handles it
01:00:08.240 About as well
01:00:08.840 As you could hope
01:00:09.940 At the same time
01:00:11.900 Not everyone on the trip
01:00:12.780 Had the same reaction
01:00:13.540 For example
01:00:14.020 One flat earther
01:00:14.760 Named Austin
01:00:15.500 Whitsitt
01:00:16.060 Was a little hesitant
01:00:17.380 To draw any conclusion
01:00:18.380 From the trip
01:00:18.860 According to the sun
01:00:19.920 The publication of the sun
01:00:21.820 He said
01:00:23.120 Quote
01:00:23.400 I don't think it falsifies
01:00:25.200 Flat earth
01:00:26.060 I don't think it proves
01:00:27.100 A globe
01:00:27.560 I think it's a singular
01:00:29.040 Data point
01:00:29.780 He added
01:00:30.840 Quote
01:00:31.280 I've seen a physical
01:00:32.520 Demonstration
01:00:33.140 That could show this
01:00:33.920 Working
01:00:34.240 But I do think
01:00:35.380 That some of the data
01:00:36.120 We're going to have
01:00:36.920 From this trip
01:00:37.420 Will help to clarify
01:00:38.260 If that is what's
01:00:40.000 Actually happening
01:00:40.720 It's a bit like
01:00:42.120 Jumping off of a building
01:00:43.120 And then saying
01:00:43.620 You still need more data
01:00:44.700 To prove that gravity exists
01:00:46.160 Obviously this person
01:00:47.660 Is never going to be
01:00:48.740 Convinced of anything
01:00:49.860 And somehow to this day
01:00:50.980 There are a decent number
01:00:51.900 Of people like him
01:00:52.620 Out there
01:00:53.020 And on one level
01:00:54.720 You know
01:00:56.260 It's
01:00:56.620 That's
01:00:57.680 Pretty surprising
01:00:58.860 It's
01:00:59.740 Kind of mind boggling
01:01:01.500 That flat earthers
01:01:02.940 Exist
01:01:04.240 In a world
01:01:05.020 With satellites
01:01:06.240 And air travel
01:01:07.700 I mean
01:01:08.600 It's impressive
01:01:09.320 That people
01:01:09.800 Could be so wrong
01:01:10.760 About something
01:01:11.260 That's so readily
01:01:12.460 Observable
01:01:13.140 To everybody
01:01:13.740 On the planet
01:01:14.460 This is one
01:01:16.280 Of the ironies
01:01:16.980 Right
01:01:17.700 Of the
01:01:18.040 Information age
01:01:19.660 That there are
01:01:21.000 Almost certainly
01:01:22.740 More flat earthers
01:01:23.940 In the world today
01:01:25.060 Than there were
01:01:25.820 A hundred years ago
01:01:27.060 Even though
01:01:28.320 We have immediate access
01:01:29.600 To more information
01:01:30.840 Than a person
01:01:31.400 A hundred years ago
01:01:32.140 Would have encountered
01:01:32.940 In a lifetime
01:01:34.320 In a hundred lifetimes
01:01:35.780 At the same time
01:01:39.020 As flat earther
01:01:40.660 Steve said earlier
01:01:41.420 There's a
01:01:41.920 Possible explanation
01:01:43.500 For this phenomenon
01:01:44.180 Which is that
01:01:45.120 Americans
01:01:46.000 And people
01:01:47.880 All over the world
01:01:48.480 Have no trust
01:01:50.380 In our institutions
01:01:51.220 Anymore
01:01:51.660 Which is not
01:01:52.500 Which is not
01:01:53.180 An excuse
01:01:53.780 For flat eartherism
01:01:54.780 Which is a
01:01:55.440 You know
01:01:55.700 Flat eartherism
01:01:56.280 Is objectively
01:01:57.260 Very extremely stupid
01:01:58.880 But it does
01:02:00.420 Kind of put it
01:02:00.900 Into context
01:02:01.540 You know
01:02:02.280 When you lie
01:02:02.880 To people
01:02:03.400 About pretty much
01:02:05.300 Everything
01:02:05.680 Then you get
01:02:07.740 People who start
01:02:08.300 To question
01:02:08.880 They start
01:02:10.960 Questioning everything
01:02:11.740 And that can
01:02:13.640 Extend down
01:02:14.400 To the basic
01:02:15.300 Fundamental facts
01:02:16.980 Of the universe
01:02:17.720 Now the good news
01:02:19.740 Is that
01:02:20.160 As the final
01:02:21.160 Experiment demonstrates
01:02:22.380 Even some people
01:02:24.200 Who are this
01:02:24.800 Confused and deluded
01:02:25.660 Are capable
01:02:26.300 At some level
01:02:26.960 Of recognizing
01:02:27.820 The error
01:02:28.320 Of their ways
01:02:28.980 They're capable
01:02:29.420 Of going out
01:02:30.020 And looking
01:02:30.840 At the world
01:02:31.220 Around them
01:02:31.640 And challenging
01:02:32.700 Their prior assumptions
01:02:33.640 In a respectful
01:02:34.640 And dignified manner
01:02:35.560 The bad news
01:02:36.100 Is that
01:02:36.500 You know
01:02:37.700 If the earth
01:02:38.140 Isn't flat
01:02:38.660 Which I guess
01:02:40.040 I guess the jury
01:02:41.220 Is still out
01:02:41.780 For some people
01:02:42.860 And we still
01:02:43.860 Have no explanation
01:02:44.480 For why all the water
01:02:45.500 Doesn't fly off the planet
01:02:46.740 And go into space
01:02:47.900 You know
01:02:48.460 Just like water
01:02:49.040 Flies off clothes
01:02:49.880 When they're
01:02:50.680 Spinning in the dryer
01:02:51.560 That's a
01:02:52.100 A mystery
01:02:53.060 That simply
01:02:53.780 Can't be solved
01:02:54.460 Or explained
01:02:54.980 By modern science
01:02:55.860 At least perhaps
01:02:57.100 Until some brave
01:02:57.900 And enterprising
01:02:58.620 Pastor runs
01:02:59.300 Another final experiment
01:03:00.360 Someday
01:03:00.720 We'll have to
01:03:01.180 Wait and see
01:03:02.400 But until that day
01:03:03.240 Comes
01:03:03.540 We have no choice
01:03:05.380 But to stay
01:03:06.260 Grounded in reality
01:03:07.180 Instead of indulging
01:03:08.200 In fantasy
01:03:09.300 And pseudoscience
01:03:10.160 And that is why
01:03:10.740 The few remaining
01:03:11.640 Flat earthers
01:03:12.220 And everyone else
01:03:13.760 Who insists on
01:03:14.440 Denying basic
01:03:15.360 Observable reality
01:03:16.280 Are all today
01:03:17.760 Canceled
01:03:18.920 That'll do it
01:03:19.940 For the show today
01:03:20.300 Thanks for watching
01:03:20.800 Thanks for listening
01:03:21.300 Talk to you tomorrow
01:03:22.120 If I can't talk
01:03:23.380 Godspeed
01:03:24.520 Bye
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