The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1540 - Girlbossing the Airline Industry… Straight Into the Ground

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, the airline that just flipped upside down on a runway in Toronto

00:00:03.400 has been obsessed with DEI for many years. They seem to be more focused on girl power than on

00:00:08.160 keeping their planes in the sky. Also, the Trump administration might ban food stamp recipients

00:00:12.200 from using taxpayer money to buy junk food. Why isn't that already the policy? The mayor of Los

00:00:16.600 Angeles says she needs to investigate to figure out why she decided to leave for Africa right 0.78

00:00:21.120 before the wildfires broke out. And a new debate is raging on social media. Is it sexist for a dad

00:00:25.820 to take just his son on a guy's trip? The internet says yes, and the internet is, of course, wrong

00:00:31.260 again. We'll talk about all that and more today on the Matt Wall Show.

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00:01:50.120 revisit the early days of Barack Obama's presidency. Conservatives don't want to relive the whole nightmare for

00:01:55.200 obvious reasons. And for their part, Democrats would rather move on too. They don't particularly

00:01:59.420 want to dwell on Obama's Russian reset, for example, where he told us that Putin wasn't really a bad guy.

00:02:05.320 That kind of thinking isn't exactly compatible with Democrats' current narrative. Nor are Democrats

00:02:10.020 interested in reminding everyone of Obama's promises to lower health care costs or his promise to close

00:02:15.280 Guantanamo Bay or his promise to stop the weather from changing. None of that happened. And so on.

00:02:21.100 If there's bipartisan agreement on anything, it's that Obama's presidency isn't worth talking about

00:02:26.280 anymore. But there is one moment from the early Obama years that has suddenly become relevant

00:02:31.540 again. And I'm talking about the crash of a Colgan Air passenger plane, which was flying under the

00:02:36.520 brand name of Continental Airlines. The crash occurred in February of 2009, just a month after

00:02:41.340 Obama's inauguration. It was the fourth in a string of crashes involving regional airliners from 2005 to

00:02:47.620 2009. Fifty people died, including one person on the ground. And an investigation revealed that the

00:02:53.200 pilots, one man and one woman, were overworked and underpaid. They were also objectively bad pilots, at

00:02:59.200 least on that particular night. They weren't paying attention to their instruments to the point that

00:03:03.420 they stalled their plane while on approach for landing. And then when the aircraft warned them of the stall,

00:03:08.780 they panicked and turned a bad situation into a catastrophe. In the wake of that crash, the Obama

00:03:13.940 administration mandated a series of changes that, taken together, amount to a major overhaul of the

00:03:20.380 entire aviation industry. One of the big changes was that all pilots, whether they flew for a regional

00:03:26.460 carrier or a major airline, needed to have hundreds of hours of additional training before they could be

00:03:32.200 certified. The pilots were also entitled to more rest breaks. And there were several other new

00:03:37.120 regulations too. And for the most part, nobody objected. It was a pretty uncontroversial move.

00:03:41.600 After all, when planes are crashing all over the place, it makes sense to require better training

00:03:45.440 and more rest for the pilots. But all of these new regulations created a new problem.

00:03:51.800 Airlines that were already struggling with a pilot shortage began having even more difficulty finding

00:03:57.060 enough pilots to fly their routes. In an industry that was concerned with safety, the solution to

00:04:01.800 this problem is kind of obvious. You can either raise salaries to attract more pilots, or you can cut

00:04:08.240 down on flights. But the aviation industry, with the encouragement of the Obama administration,

00:04:13.560 decided on a different approach. They began to appeal to so-called diverse applicants and adopt a

00:04:19.400 much more lax, carefree workplace culture. Just like the FAA, which lowered standards to attract

00:04:25.280 different demographics, airlines created programs to attract women and racial minorities. And then,

00:04:30.880 after the COVID mandates decimated the aviation industry like so many others,

00:04:34.220 these efforts went into overdrive. The defenders of these diversity initiatives insist that,

00:04:41.180 well, they insisted, still do, I suppose, that standards weren't being compromised.

00:04:45.380 They argued that the pool of applicants was just being expanded, but that all pilots were still

00:04:50.600 competent. They maintained that, you know, that line of argument, even after an Amazon cargo plane

00:04:56.040 operated by Atlas Air crashed in 2019 while landing in Houston, when the pilot inexplicably steered the plane

00:05:02.600 directly into the water. An investigation revealed that the pilot, a man from the Caribbean nation of

00:05:07.780 Antigua named Conrad Aska, had repeatedly failed flight training, but was promoted anyway.

00:05:14.720 His family even sued Amazon, alleging that Conrad Aska never should have been allowed in the cockpit to

00:05:19.080 begin with based on his sheer incompetence. But both Amazon and Atlas Air, which repeatedly preached

00:05:24.320 about the importance of diversity, had no problem handing Conrad Aska the keys to a wide-body Boeing cargo

00:05:31.020 plane. The defenders of diversity initiatives also downplayed the crash of Southwest Airlines Flight

00:05:36.640 345, which suffered a landing gear collapse while landing at LaGuardia in 2013. The whole plane was

00:05:43.980 totaled. It was a $15 million loss. Several people were seriously injured. This is a crash that you

00:05:50.040 probably haven't heard much about, even though, given recent events, it's once again very relevant.

00:05:54.540 And I'll show you this is footage taken by a passenger on board Southwest Flight 345. It shows the moment

00:06:01.940 that the front landing gear collapsed as soon as the plane touched the ground after a very rapid descent.

00:06:08.160 Watch.

00:06:08.680 Watch.

00:06:08.700 Watch.

00:06:08.720 Watch.

00:06:08.760 Watch.

00:06:08.780 Watch.

00:06:38.160 This plane is not going to move unless they got a tow truck or something.

00:06:45.660 Yeah, the wheel is gone.

00:06:49.720 Now, an investigation revealed that the captain of this flight was a woman who had multiple complaints 0.79

00:06:55.360 filed against her by her co-pilots. And in this instance, she allowed the plane to descend rapidly

00:07:00.280 towards the ground without properly configuring the flaps for landing. And then when she knew the

00:07:04.620 plane was going too fast, she did not abort the landing. Instead, she ordered the first officer

00:07:08.700 to, quote, get down. And then she aggressively took control of the plane herself and flew it, 1.00

00:07:13.080 nose first, into the runway. So how was a pilot this incompetent allowed to serve as a captain

00:07:20.400 ferrying passengers around on a jetliner? Well, a few weeks ago, I received a tip from a pilot at

00:07:25.660 Southwest who told me that this particular captain was notorious for inappropriate and dangerous

00:07:31.240 behavior in the cockpit. A lot of pilots didn't want to fly with her.

00:07:34.620 And the captain, for her part, thought the complaints were really about her gender or her

00:07:39.100 sexuality instead of her competence. And apparently Southwest agreed.

00:07:43.160 This was not a widely reported episode for the simple reason that it's extremely inconvenient to

00:07:49.080 the proponents of so-called diversity in aviation. We are required to believe that diversity improves

00:07:55.360 the functioning of every organization, whether it's Harvard University or Southwest Airlines or

00:07:59.580 anything else. So most media outlets buried the story. And they kept the identity of the woman

00:08:04.860 pilot confidential, even after Southwest finally terminated her employment following the crash.

00:08:10.060 Very few news reports mentioned her gender at all or any other identifying information about her.

00:08:14.700 They did the same thing with Conrad Aska and many other pilots. They just didn't talk about them.

00:08:20.260 And for a while, this strategy worked. Diversity initiatives continued for many years without any

00:08:25.280 interruption across all major airlines. But the problem, of course, is that you can't downplay

00:08:31.040 airline crashes forever. Eventually, the crashes become more noticeable. Eventually, people start

00:08:37.040 dying and not just in cargo planes. And at that point, which is the point we've now reached,

00:08:42.300 the toll of diversity becomes harder and harder to deny. And then people will do the rational thing.

00:08:49.220 They'll start looking more closely at what exactly is going on in the aviation industry. And in

00:08:53.960 particular, they'll start looking at who exactly is flying the aircraft that keep crashing.

00:09:00.700 Now, first, of course, there was the disastrous mid-air collision that was apparently caused,

00:09:05.520 at least in part, by a female Black Hawk pilot near Washington's Reagan Airport. The pilot was

00:09:11.460 clearly flying too high for reasons that are not clear. She also failed to see a jet that was directly

00:09:17.280 in her path. And based on the most recent information we have from the NTSB, it's clear

00:09:22.400 that about three minutes before the collision, the Black Hawk pilot was warned by her instructor that

00:09:26.760 she was flying 100 feet too high for the area that they were flying in. She was also warned about the

00:09:31.880 passenger jet by air traffic control, which also provided the passenger jet's location well over a

00:09:36.900 minute before impact. But she never took any evasive action whatsoever. And the pilots of the American

00:09:41.740 Airlines plane put their plane into a maximum nose-up climb just one second before impact.

00:09:46.820 So clearly, they eventually saw something, but it was too late. And the woman flying the Black Hawk

00:09:53.020 apparently never did see anything somehow. Then earlier this week, we all witnessed the Endeavour

00:10:01.000 air crash at Toronto's airport. The plane clearly came in too quickly, just like the Southwest Airlines

00:10:09.320 jet that I mentioned earlier. And then the landing gear collapsed, and the plane flipped over.

00:10:14.600 Based on air traffic control audio, it appears that one pilot, the one who was presumably handling the

00:10:20.300 radios instead of flying the plane, was a male. But we still don't have the identity of the pilot who

00:10:25.800 was actually flying the plane. We have not been officially told that information, interestingly

00:10:31.160 enough. Reports from various sources online citing tips from airline pilots and firefighters at

00:10:36.960 Toronto's airport suggest that the pilot who was flying the plane was a woman. Now, this has not been

00:10:41.400 officially confirmed, but this is what various reports are saying. But we don't know for sure

00:10:46.080 because no one in the government or at Delta Airlines will tell us. Now, if it's true that it

00:10:51.760 was a woman flying the plane, that wouldn't exactly be a surprise. Endeavour air and Delta have gone out of

00:10:57.840 their way in recent years to advertise how many female pilots they have. They've also done a full court 1.00

00:11:03.040 press to attract more female applicants. In fact, as you may have seen, Endeavour's official TikTok and

00:11:08.400 X accounts are obsessed with the idea of so-called unmanned flights, which means in their case that no

00:11:14.660 men are in the crew. So they're not just pro-women, they are actively anti-man. Imagine an airline

00:11:22.080 advertising that it's an unwomanned flight. Imagine them advertising that, hey, this is a flight where

00:11:27.540 there are no women involved. They would never do that. But here they're bragging about the fact that

00:11:33.240 there are no men in the crew, as if that's a good thing. And if I'm being honest, whoever's putting

00:11:40.060 together Endeavour's social media posts seems to have a sense of humor about the situation.

00:11:44.200 Here, for example, is one recent tweet from Endeavour. And as you can see, it reads,

00:11:49.440 buckle up, ladies and gentlemen, your flight is unmanned today. And then there's the picture of

00:11:54.660 the all-female flight crew. And it also says, hashtag girl power. Now, on the surface, I guess this is

00:12:01.640 supposed to be an empowering girl boss message. But if that's the case, then why does it begin with

00:12:08.420 the warning, buckle up? It's like going to a restaurant where they tell you, enjoy your food

00:12:13.960 presented by an all-female kitchen. Hope you brought a bucket. It's almost like whoever's 1.00

00:12:18.700 writing this post knows something we don't. And then there's this now infamous TikTok footage from

00:12:25.180 Endeavour Air featuring a few more girl bosses. Some of these clips are so on the nose that it seems

00:12:31.460 like they were prepared by a male intern somewhere who's tired of all the DEI initiatives. And he

00:12:36.660 was trying to find some desperate way to communicate the message without losing his internship in the

00:12:41.440 process. So I don't know how this came about, but let's go back and watch these again.

00:12:47.240 Girls, come on. Leave the saving of the world to the men? I don't think so. 0.98

00:12:51.280 I don't think so.

00:12:53.880 Live fast, die young, bad girls, do it well. Live fast, die young. 1.00

00:12:59.260 No, no, no, we ain't giving no hope. I ain't Romeo and I'll hold, hold.

00:13:04.660 Making a party, chocolate barbie waiting on me.

00:13:07.200 It's better.

00:13:09.040 It's better.

00:13:12.700 It's better.

00:13:14.200 You got into Harvard Law?

00:13:31.800 What? Like it's hard?

00:13:32.800 What is your name as a group?

00:13:50.160 The Click.

00:13:52.800 Click or clique?

00:13:54.180 Click.

00:13:55.740 Let's do it.

00:13:56.580 This is all stuff that you want to see from your pilots before they take off.

00:14:05.160 That's what you want.

00:14:05.960 You want sassy. 1.00

00:14:07.400 You want sassiness from your pilots, don't you?

00:14:10.680 That's what we're looking for.

00:14:11.980 When I get on a plane, the main thing I'm looking for, I'm looking for the sassiness.

00:14:15.400 The sassier, the better. 1.00

00:14:18.400 Now, you may have caught the lyrics in one of the songs featured in those social media videos.

00:14:25.040 The lyrics were, live fast, die young, bad girls do it well. 1.00

00:14:32.660 That's what you hear after you read the caption, leave the flying to the men?

00:14:36.500 I don't think so.

00:14:38.380 Again, this is the official messaging of an airline that's supposedly committed to safety and competence.

00:14:44.560 They want you to know that you'll have an all-female flight crew that loves to, quote, live fast and die young. 1.00

00:14:51.140 That's about the worst possible mantra for an airline pilot.

00:14:57.660 I can't think of any mantra that I'd less like to hear from an airline pilot than live fast, die young.

00:15:08.240 Now, when I looked at the rest of Endeavor's TikTok account, I found that these clips are not rare exceptions to the norm.

00:15:16.380 Quite the opposite.

00:15:17.100 Pretty much every single post involves women dancing or miming the words to a song of some kind. 0.82

00:15:23.520 It's like a sorority's TikTok channel instead of the official social media account of a company that's responsible for, you know,

00:15:29.960 flying thousands of passengers across the sky at high speeds in aluminum tubes every single day.

00:15:36.080 So here's just a small selection of what I'm talking about.

00:15:39.100 Yeah, you let, let, let, look into me like I'm some sweet escape.

00:15:44.440 Obvious that you want me, but I said I would want myself.

00:15:48.920 The reason we be.

00:15:53.140 I've been saying I've been coming, getting grip.

00:15:57.140 I've been giving everything that don't make sense.

00:16:00.780 Tell me you bring in your room.

00:16:01.980 Then you're driving me home, and it kind of comes out, as I get up to go.

00:16:08.840 You kiss me, in your car, and it feels like the start of a movie I've seen before.

00:16:16.160 But it's not real, and you don't exist.

00:16:20.420 And I can't recall the last time I was kissed.

00:16:23.960 It hits me, in the car, and it feels like the end of a movie I've seen.

00:16:30.680 Dear God, can you imagine being on the plane before takeoff and looking out the window

00:16:38.700 and seeing your flight crew running down, you know, down the tarmac like a, like a Disney princesses?

00:16:49.620 Can you just imagine witnessing that?

00:16:53.040 I mean, it's like they're running an adult daycare.

00:16:57.480 You know, they're not even pretending to convey the idea that they're serious people

00:17:01.420 who should be entrusted with your life.

00:17:04.040 The description for Endeavor Air's account on TikTok reads, quote,

00:17:08.080 CR slay every day.

00:17:12.240 I just have to emphasize again, this is an airline, okay?

00:17:16.560 Slay every day is their mantra,

00:17:20.560 which I assume is a reference to the CRJ aircraft that they fly.

00:17:24.780 So it's not CRJ, it's CR slay.

00:17:27.320 There's that sassiness again.

00:17:29.060 That's what you want.

00:17:31.220 Now, this is how you would present your company if you wanted to attract the ditziest,

00:17:35.260 least responsible, and least intelligent applicants imaginable.

00:17:39.280 And based on recent events, it seems like that's exactly what Endeavor got.

00:17:42.700 But as easy as it would be to blame this on Endeavor,

00:17:46.440 which is a relatively small subsidiary of Delta,

00:17:49.060 the truth is that this is a much deeper problem.

00:17:51.100 It goes to the top.

00:17:52.020 And to illustrate that, here's footage from the pinned tweet

00:17:55.000 of Delta Airlines' main account at the time of the Endeavor air crash.

00:17:59.600 This has probably changed now, but at the time,

00:18:02.960 and this is Delta now we're talking about, watch.

00:18:06.700 Did somebody say,

00:18:08.520 Slay?

00:18:09.040 Slay?

00:18:12.700 So this whole slay concept is apparently a big deal at both Endeavor and Delta.

00:18:21.260 They're thinking it's a really important message to communicate,

00:18:24.220 that there are girl bosses who slay. 0.93

00:18:27.000 Now, of course, as you may know, slay means to kill.

00:18:31.060 And that's what you can expect to happen now when you board these planes, evidently.

00:18:36.320 They'll slay you with their flying skills. 0.98

00:18:39.120 Now, as painful as this footage is, I will give Delta some credit.

00:18:44.540 Yesterday, in an interview with CBS,

00:18:46.280 Delta's CEO was given an opportunity to blame Donald Trump for the crash in Toronto.

00:18:50.940 Yes, the corporate press is going with the narrative that Donald Trump is responsible

00:18:53.900 for a pilot's terrible crash landing in a foreign country.

00:18:58.460 And in response to this setup,

00:19:00.980 the Delta CEO immediately shot the question down,

00:19:03.020 which led to a pretty entertaining facial expression from the CBS anchor, watch.

00:19:09.400 You know, the Trump administration recently fired many employees of the FAA administration.

00:19:15.500 Do those cuts, do those cuts worry you?

00:19:17.840 And do you think that impacts the safety?

00:19:19.640 I know you just said it's the safest way to travel.

00:19:21.860 But after looking at all these mishaps, a lot of people are very nervous.

00:19:25.040 Do these cuts affect you?

00:19:26.400 The cuts do not affect us, Gail.

00:19:31.100 I've been in close communication with the Secretary of Transportation.

00:19:35.420 I understand that the cuts at this time are something that are raising questions.

00:19:41.440 But the reality is there's over 50,000 people that work at the FAA.

00:19:45.220 And the cuts, I understand, were 300 people.

00:19:47.300 And they were in non-critical safety functions.

00:19:49.700 The Trump administration has committed to investing deeply in terms of improving

00:19:54.900 the overall technologies that are used in the air traffic control systems and modernizing the skies.

00:20:00.000 They've committed to hiring additional controllers and investigators and safety investigators.

00:20:06.240 So, no, I'm not concerned with that at all.

00:20:09.340 So she was quite confounded that he did not take the opportunity to blame Trump.

00:20:14.580 I mean, because she's been, she has asked a version of this question on air,

00:20:21.660 probably 50,000 times in various different contexts, where she brings, something bad is happening.

00:20:28.040 She brings somebody on and says, say, don't you think this is really the fault of Donald Trump?

00:20:33.340 And every single time for 50,000 times, the person always goes, well, yeah, of course.

00:20:37.860 Who else would be at fault?

00:20:39.780 This is the one time where someone's like, no, I don't think he had anything to do with it.

00:20:43.320 And she just, she doesn't know how to respond.

00:20:46.320 She's totally bewildered.

00:20:49.160 But you notice there's no question from CBS about the identity of the pilot or her qualifications

00:20:54.260 or whether Endeavor regrets posting nonstop music video TikToks for the past five years,

00:20:59.720 where they advertise that they want to slay their passengers and die young.

00:21:06.520 No question about that.

00:21:08.580 Instead, the question is about how Donald Trump is to blame.

00:21:10.680 And this has been the approach of so many establishment interests ever since the aviation industry

00:21:14.480 began experiencing a series of crashes more than a decade ago.

00:21:17.660 They deflect and they minimize responsibility, all while insisting that the underlying system is working fine.

00:21:22.700 But with every major airline disaster, these deflections become less and less effective.

00:21:27.260 The more they hide information about who's flying these planes, the more people will come to realize what's actually going on.

00:21:32.940 And at a certain point, a point that is rapidly approaching, nobody will fly on a plane unless they know who's flying it.

00:21:40.400 People are going to demand reviews of pilots like they demand reviews of restaurants before making a reservation.

00:21:46.580 Now, that probably won't be a sustainable model for most airlines, but for people who want to fly with some peace of mind,

00:21:54.440 free from the complete and total incompetence that Obama-era diversity initiatives have wrought so many years later,

00:22:00.140 it'll be the only option worth considering.

00:22:03.600 Now let's get to our five headlines.

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00:23:15.700 New York Post reports Americans on food stamps may be banned from using them to buy sugary drinks and other junk food,

00:23:21.340 Agricultural Secretary Brooke Rollins said on Friday.

00:23:24.260 The newly appointed cabinet official said she'll work with Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:23:29.220 And Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency to prioritize food stamp benefits for healthy food items.

00:23:35.860 Rollins told reporters, will we ever take food out of a hungry child's mouth?

00:23:38.960 Of course not.

00:23:39.980 This is the USA.

00:23:41.640 Truly, this program has grown so large, especially in the last administration.

00:23:44.700 Under Biden, I think it grew almost 30% more than before.

00:23:49.480 That's the SNAP program, food stamps.

00:23:52.440 We really need to look at where the money is going and what it's being spent on.

00:23:57.260 So there's been a lot of controversy over this, as you can imagine, this news that the Trump administration might look to

00:24:03.180 narrow down the types of food items that you can use your food stamps or your SNAP benefits on.

00:24:12.840 But of course, this is exactly the right policy.

00:24:15.260 Of course, people on food stamps should not be allowed to buy junk food with them.

00:24:19.920 Well, they can buy it.

00:24:21.280 I mean, they could buy junk food if they want, but they could buy it with their own money.

00:24:25.640 Taxpayers should not be funding someone's junk food addiction, which is incredibly obvious.

00:24:29.820 There really is no credible argument to the contrary, except just like a logistical argument about how you enforce this.

00:24:35.620 But I think it's certainly feasible to enforce.

00:24:38.820 If you have the will to enforce it, you can enforce it.

00:24:41.840 And you should.

00:24:43.800 And there needs to be a lot of reforms to these programs, obviously.

00:24:49.160 You know, I think something like 40 million people are on food stamps.

00:24:52.120 And that is, to me, clearly way too many.

00:24:55.280 OK, it tells us that these benefits are being doled out without enough vetting and that food stamps and entitlements have become a lifestyle for millions of people rather than a temporary helping hand to get them through a tough time, which is how all of these programs were initially sold to the public.

00:25:11.120 That's what they were supposed to be.

00:25:12.300 But for a long time now, they've become a lifestyle.

00:25:18.800 Do 40 million people need food stamps?

00:25:21.640 And when I say need, I mean, if we got rid of food stamps, if we got rid of SNAP, would 40 million people starve to death because of it?

00:25:30.260 Are food stamps the thing preventing the mass starvation of 40 million people?

00:25:34.360 Does anyone really believe that?

00:25:36.700 Not if you have five brain cells, you don't believe that.

00:25:38.880 So there are too many people on the program, and the program is not nearly restrictive enough in terms of what you can use it to purchase.

00:25:48.820 And in terms of food, it should provide for basic nutrition.

00:25:52.680 It should not provide for any food that has zero nutritional value.

00:25:58.840 Again, this is obvious.

00:26:00.360 And there are a lot of those kinds of foods out there, which, speaking of which, and this is, I mean, this was all really just a setup for me to talk about this, which is that I needed some sort of segue because I've been very troubled by this.

00:26:19.000 The other day, I was at the store.

00:26:20.220 I was at Walmart, actually, and I saw a woman buying something that I didn't know existed.

00:26:26.400 It was my first, I had not, I had never become acquainted with this product, but there was a woman buying a bottle of Skittles juice. 0.99

00:26:37.900 Now, I'm not saying she was using Snap to pay for it.

00:26:42.160 Maybe she was. 0.97

00:26:42.980 That wouldn't surprise me.

00:26:44.260 But I don't know.

00:26:45.080 That I don't know.

00:26:45.660 I'm just saying, in terms of junk food, just to show you how bad it is out there, if you didn't already know, Skittles juice, that's a thing.

00:26:54.960 Or I think, and I looked this up later because I was like, I didn't make sure my eyes weren't deceiving me.

00:26:59.160 No, it's real.

00:26:59.940 Yeah, this is a real thing.

00:27:00.800 They just, Skittles rolled it out very recently, actually.

00:27:03.440 Just in 2024, they rolled out their Skittles, their line of Skittles drinks.

00:27:08.040 And so it is technically Skittles drink, not Skittles juice, because it's not juice.

00:27:13.700 I mean, they can't legally call it juice because there's, there were definitely no fruits involved in the making of this concoction.

00:27:21.220 There was no fruit within a 50-mile radius of whatever factory they used to make this sludge.

00:27:29.080 Like, this stuff was, even just the color of it is not, it's like this neon, it looks like it was harvested from the Chernobyl, 0.89

00:27:37.120 nuclear reactor core or something like that.

00:27:40.080 I mean, it's, the color of the liquid isn't even on the color spectrum.

00:27:45.840 There's nothing natural about any of it.

00:27:47.520 It's not food.

00:27:48.180 It's not even a real color.

00:27:49.180 I don't know what that is.

00:27:50.080 And yet people buy this stuff.

00:27:53.300 They buy it on purpose, in public, where we can all see them doing it.

00:27:59.140 And this woman had no shame about it either. 1.00

00:28:01.940 She was actually talking to her.

00:28:03.540 I mean, this makes it even worse.

00:28:04.780 She was, she had her kid with her.

00:28:06.660 I think she was buying it for her kid.

00:28:07.700 I don't know.

00:28:08.280 But she was talking about, she was like talking about, oh, you get the Skittles drink.

00:28:11.880 Like, openly discussing it.

00:28:13.840 No shame.

00:28:17.520 I don't know.

00:28:18.340 I would rather drink from the punch bowl at the people's temple than drink Skittles drink.

00:28:25.040 I would rather drink nothing ever again.

00:28:27.020 I would rather die of thirst.

00:28:28.500 If I was dying of thirst in the desert, and somebody came up and said, I hadn't had a drink in a week, and I'm on death's door, and they offered me a, you know, bright neon red Skittles drink, I would not.

00:28:42.960 I'd say, no, thank you.

00:28:45.560 I'd rather die of thirst than die of diabetes.

00:28:48.580 So I would rather drink straight from a river in Indonesia than drink a Skittles drink.

00:28:56.520 But this is what people are consuming.

00:28:58.500 And then we wonder why there's an obesity epidemic.

00:29:01.260 And we're told that it's a thyroid problems and hormonal problems, and that's all it is.

00:29:06.880 Meanwhile, people are out here guzzling liquid Skittles.

00:29:10.800 There are people who have decided that regular candy Skittles require too much effort to consume.

00:29:20.320 They're burning too many calories eating Skittles because they have to chew them. 0.95

00:29:24.480 And that's too much exercise.

00:29:25.520 And so they need a more convenient, less, a lower effort delivery mechanism for Skittles.

00:29:32.560 That's why they're drinking it now.

00:29:34.060 We are, people joke about this, but we are seriously one step away from intravenous Skittles.

00:29:42.440 Okay, that's where this goes next.

00:29:43.920 A Skittles-flavored IV drip is where you're going to see people, morbidly obese people,

00:29:49.820 on scooters with an IV drip of neon green Skittles going right into their arm.

00:29:55.600 That's what, that's what's happening next.

00:29:57.140 And people are going to look at that and still say, oh, they must have a hormone problem. 0.99

00:30:01.140 Her thyroid, what, what, it's terrible.

00:30:04.280 It's all the thyroid there.

00:30:10.120 Anyway, what were we talking about?

00:30:11.340 Oh, yeah, food stamps.

00:30:13.480 I don't know.

00:30:13.800 Can you use food?

00:30:14.520 Can you use Snap to buy a Skittles drink?

00:30:16.260 Probably, right?

00:30:18.780 There are problems.

00:30:19.580 This has already happened probably thousands of times.

00:30:21.400 Should that be allowed?

00:30:24.740 Clearly not.

00:30:26.340 Clearly not.

00:30:28.660 All right.

00:30:30.680 We have another protest for you.

00:30:32.560 This one, this one, you know, I don't know.

00:30:35.700 I keep saying this one might be the worst.

00:30:37.500 This one might be the cringiest.

00:30:38.960 But this one, at least, audibly.

00:30:43.320 So if you're listening to the, so you're going to get a reprieve.

00:30:45.600 If you're an audio podcast listener, this will be a reprieve for you.

00:30:48.940 So you don't, you don't have to, don't worry, but you don't have to put this on mute.

00:30:51.500 Like, it's going to be fine.

00:30:52.320 The audio is okay.

00:30:53.300 It's the visual.

00:30:54.240 So these are leftists at the Kennedy senator protesting the leadership changes that have

00:31:00.120 happened at the Kennedy center.

00:31:02.560 Most notably, the leadership change was that Trump put himself in charge of it, which is

00:31:06.640 pretty funny.

00:31:07.460 And so they are protesting this through the art of dance.

00:31:12.980 This is a dance protest at the Kennedy center.

00:31:16.760 And as you know, as a renowned interpretive dancer myself, and as a former contestant on

00:31:23.120 Dancing with the Stars, I, I heard about this.

00:31:26.240 I was very interested when I heard about it.

00:31:29.080 I wanted to see what kind of protest dance they came up with.

00:31:32.420 I was a little offended that I wasn't invited.

00:31:34.760 I don't know why they didn't reach out to me.

00:31:36.660 I mean, I might be a Trump supporter, but, but if you're having a dance, you know, just

00:31:40.220 for the art of it, I would have liked to come and participate just because I'm so,

00:31:44.440 just because dance is so important to me, but anyway, so this is what they came up with.

00:31:49.760 Let's take a look.

00:31:50.600 Let's take a look.

00:32:20.600 So that's it.

00:32:32.400 And then you just repeat that move over and over again.

00:32:35.880 That is the, the laziest dance I've ever seen.

00:32:39.940 That was the laziest, most lackadaisical, low energy dance routine of all time.

00:32:45.100 That was like the Jeb Bush of dance routines.

00:32:48.400 And that's supposed to be a protest dance.

00:32:51.840 I was expecting something with some vigor and aggression to it.

00:32:55.900 That's what I was expecting.

00:32:57.780 And instead, I mean, what is the music?

00:33:01.260 Like they're dancing to hold music.

00:33:03.080 I don't know what that is.

00:33:03.940 This is not protest dance music.

00:33:05.940 That's elevator music.

00:33:07.080 That's, that's the music that you hear in the lobby at a swanky hotel.

00:33:10.540 That's not, that's not a protest type music.

00:33:14.580 And the choreography, I mean, what is that?

00:33:17.660 Did anyone choreograph this?

00:33:20.840 And these are professional dancers.

00:33:22.420 I don't know.

00:33:26.320 I think, I think, I think they forgot to choreograph it or they thought they showed up that day and someone was supposed to have come up with the choreography.

00:33:32.360 And they said, what'd you come up with?

00:33:33.660 And the guy's like, oh, shoot, was I supposed to do that?

00:33:37.160 And so it looks like the person in the front of the line is kind of making it up as she goes along and everyone's just imitating her.

00:33:43.360 So, um, I don't know.

00:33:45.880 It looked, uh, it looked, the choreography looked like the guy on the tarmac waving the planes in.

00:33:53.980 That's what it, and maybe that's how the plane ended up, ended up upside down.

00:33:58.140 I don't know.

00:33:58.740 But, uh, I just was expecting something more.

00:34:01.860 I really was.

00:34:02.780 And so that doesn't even, you know what, that doesn't even rise to the level of being cringy.

00:34:09.420 That, that's, that would be a compliment.

00:34:11.640 I'm offended that it wasn't more cringy.

00:34:15.460 It was just boring.

00:34:17.200 So that's, uh, that's, uh, I rate that a three out of 10.

00:34:22.600 I mean, at most, that was just, that was a letdown.

00:34:26.700 Karen Bass, the historically incompetent mayor of Los Angeles, who was off in Ghana while the fires burned down her city, um, sat down with the LA Fox affiliate for her first interview since the fires.

00:34:38.140 And she tried to explain why she decided to travel to another country thousands of miles away, even though she knew or should have known that there was a risk, a major risk of these fires happening.

00:34:49.820 And the problem for her is that, you know, the answer, the, the real reason why she went to Africa is that she just doesn't care. 0.98

00:34:59.600 She doesn't care about Los Angeles or the people who live there.

00:35:03.200 And she didn't want to say that I'd almost respect her.

00:35:07.160 If she would just say that, if she would have just said, Hey, no, well, I mean, the reason I did it is just cause I don't, I don't give a crap.

00:35:13.060 That's why I don't, I don't care about these people.

00:35:15.260 So I mean, I like morally, I would object to that, but that's the truth.

00:35:20.720 So at least be honest.

00:35:22.560 She didn't want to say that.

00:35:23.460 So here's how she handled it.

00:35:26.060 I'm going to go to Ghana, which I know you've said was a mistake now.

00:35:30.180 Um, but I, I just am curious on the thought process behind it, because we know that there was warnings about the weather before you went and you still went.

00:35:38.780 What was the thought process behind going to Ghana?

00:35:41.300 So let me just tell you a couple of things.

00:35:42.820 Uh, first of all, when the white house called and asked me if I would represent the president, I said, yes, it was going to be a very, very short trip over a weekend and two business days.

00:35:55.000 We need to look at everything about the preparation and all of that for the fires, because I think when we evaluate that, we will find that although there were warnings that I frankly wasn't aware of,

00:36:11.120 although there were warnings, I think our preparation, what it wasn't, what it typically is, meaning that before there's a major weather event, for example, last week when we knew we were going to get into the rains.

00:36:23.300 Right.

00:36:23.560 You saw us come together and us talk about, you know, get your sandbags, bring the K rails out.

00:36:30.020 That type of preparation didn't happen.

00:36:32.280 If that had, I will tell you, Alex, I wouldn't have even gone to San Diego, let alone leave the country.

00:36:38.640 But what do you mean there were warnings you weren't aware of?

00:36:40.640 Because I know we were talking about it on the news.

00:36:42.540 A lot of people were talking about the problems, uh, warning that this was going to be a huge deal.

00:36:46.940 So when I, uh, talked about it with, with the fire chief, what she said is, is that we have warnings of Santa Ana winds a lot.

00:36:55.600 But predicting this, and you saw, we, from the city, from the county, that level of preparation really didn't happen.

00:37:05.020 So it didn't reach that level to me to say something terrible could happen and maybe you shouldn't have gone on the trip.

00:37:11.940 Why didn't it happen?

00:37:12.460 But to me, I don't know.

00:37:13.860 I mean, I think that that's one of the things we need to look at.

00:37:16.300 So two investigations are taking place.

00:37:18.760 Uh, one internal to the city and that's the fire commission because that's mandated by the city charter.

00:37:24.700 So the commission will hire an outside entity to examine everything, the pre-deployment, you know, why were staffs, why were firefighters sent home?

00:37:33.680 You know, all of that that should have taken place that didn't.

00:37:37.400 And then also the governor has contracted with the Fire Safety Research Institute, which is a national institute that investigated what happened in the fires in Maui.

00:37:47.780 So everything that happened, including that, needs to be examined.

00:37:52.640 But I will tell you that I felt absolutely terrible not being here for my city and not being here for my family.

00:38:01.220 So she needs to investigate.

00:38:03.320 She's going to investigate why she went to Ghana.

00:38:06.060 And, you know, now we've heard politicians dodge responsibilities, responsibility many times by claiming that they're investigating something.

00:38:15.800 But this is really on a different level.

00:38:17.220 I mean, this is beyond what we normally hear because she's, she's, in this case, she's investigating why she personally did something.

00:38:27.000 So the question is, uh, Mayor Bass, why did you do this thing?

00:38:32.460 Well, we have to investigate to find out why I did that thing.

00:38:35.620 Who can say, who can say why I did something?

00:38:39.100 Certainly I can't.

00:38:40.220 So we can investigate and within the next 36 months, uh, we'll, we'll be able to convene.

00:38:47.000 We'll have enough information to have a hearing that will then have a further investigation to figure out why I did that thing.

00:38:52.640 Um, now the truth though, is that voters in Los Angeles have no right to be shocked and appalled by the fact that, that, uh, Karen Bass was overseas.

00:39:03.200 This has been the thing that has defined her political career for as long as she has had a political career.

00:39:09.300 When she was in Congress, she was constantly jet setting around the globe, constantly finding any excuse to be in any country, but our own. 0.97

00:39:17.940 Um, so it was obvious that she preferred Africa to her own country.

00:39:21.740 She was always in Africa, always off somewhere, always on the weakest, most dubious pretense. 1.00

00:39:26.580 And they voted her into office anyway. 0.57

00:39:28.280 I mean, we played, um, on the show before we played, uh, uh, back when the fires first broke out, we played a montage of clips of Karen Bass when she was in Congress appearing on African media because she was constantly in Africa doing interviews on African TV stations talking about African problems.

00:39:47.940 Because that's what she cared about.

00:39:49.720 She cared deeply about Africa and helping Africa and protecting Africa and advancing the interests of Africa.

00:39:55.500 And, uh, so her, her obsession with, with, um, never being in her own country was well known.

00:40:02.260 It was everybody knew this and it's why she felt the need to publicly pledge when she ran for mayor that she would not take any international trips.

00:40:11.180 Like that's not a thing that a mayoral candidate usually has to even address because it's not a question.

00:40:17.320 But in this case, she had to, because she was constantly overseas.

00:40:20.980 And, um, and so she, she did pledge.

00:40:24.220 She said she wouldn't take any, any international trips, but then she was elected and she proceeded to take five international trips in the span of like a year, all funded by taxpayers.

00:40:37.460 Three of those trips were to Paris for the Olympics.

00:40:40.900 She went three times for some reason. 0.90

00:40:43.480 Um, she also went to attend the, uh, inauguration of the Mexican presidents.

00:40:51.260 Why does the mayor of Los Angeles need to be at the inauguration of the Mexican president?

00:40:55.520 Why does the mayor of Los Angeles need to go to the Olympics?

00:40:58.460 Uh, why does she need to go to Ghana? 1.00

00:41:00.300 Well, she doesn't.

00:41:01.040 But this again has been her defining thing.

00:41:04.000 So, uh, when, when voters in Los Angeles claim that they've been let down or betrayed, I don't have a lot of sympathy.

00:41:13.340 Why did you vote for this person in the first place?

00:41:16.420 Why did you put this person in office?

00:41:18.260 It's the same story with Democrat voters in every major city in the country.

00:41:21.920 They vote for these absolute clowns, these utterly useless, vacuous nothings.

00:41:27.620 They vote for them.

00:41:29.240 And then when the pathetic imbecile they selected to run their country, run their city, runs it like a pathetic imbecile, they, uh, they, they're surprised.

00:41:38.640 Well, what did you think was going to happen?

00:41:41.000 Here's what I'd like to know.

00:41:42.760 This is what the investigation should look into.

00:41:44.780 If you're in Los Angeles and you voted for Karen Bass, and obviously this was before the fires, so you could say, well, I didn't know that.

00:41:54.940 But, but why?

00:41:57.200 What was it about Karen Bass that made you say, wow, she needs to be in charge of the city that I live in? 1.00

00:42:03.720 What was it?

00:42:05.340 Like, what specifically, what is it about her that made you look at that and say, well, yeah, she's the one.

00:42:11.060 We got to have her.

00:42:11.780 She's got to be in charge. 0.98

00:42:12.740 This is a woman whose great passion in life, aside from her own political advancement, was Africa, okay?

00:42:22.240 Why would you think that somebody like that would be a good mayor of an American city?

00:42:27.380 If she was running for a mayor of an African city, then I could see it. 0.97

00:42:30.700 But, but why, why would you vote her to run your city as an American? 0.90

00:42:36.700 Um, and yet they did.

00:42:39.640 And so whose fault is that?

00:42:41.500 And you know, the crazy thing is that, is that, uh, Karen Bass is up for re-election and she's already announced that she's running for re-election.

00:42:50.140 It, there's no guarantee that she loses.

00:42:52.600 I mean, she could still win re-election. 0.97

00:42:54.400 Even, even after letting her city burn down.

00:42:58.600 It's not outside of the realm of possibility that she could still win.

00:43:01.940 Um, which is why it's just really hard to feel sorry for the people who live in these cities.

00:43:09.780 Um, it's just, you, you, it's like you have a death wish.

00:43:15.160 You keep voting for people who, like everybody else can look and see.

00:43:21.040 Only bad things can happen when you put someone like that in charge and yet you keep doing it.

00:43:28.100 Let's get to the comment section.

00:43:29.480 If you're a man, it's required that you grow a beard.

00:43:32.900 Hey, we're the sweet baby gang.

00:43:36.640 I'm so thrilled to hear someone bringing up the issue of breaking blind and therefore expanding the placebo effect.

00:43:44.420 And this is a particularly massive issue with a drug for a mental health condition.

00:43:48.140 I've been trying to tell people about this issue with SSRIs for over a decade.

00:43:51.620 And I've been trying to explain why the six week re-uptake window calling their efficacy into question as well.

00:43:57.200 Uh, and I have to add this to what Matt talked about.

00:44:01.500 The drug company's best data shows an 11% difference between placebo and the actual drug.

00:44:06.680 Only 11%.

00:44:07.700 Yeah, I think I alluded to that yesterday when we were talking about this, but it's important to emphasize as you do.

00:44:14.740 Um, many of the clinical studies of antidepressants are basically bunk because they weren't actually double blind studies like we talked about.

00:44:21.640 But even if we ignore that and we pretend that the methodology was sound, which it wasn't,

00:44:27.200 we're still left with the fact that the difference between the placebo and the drug was negligible.

00:44:34.900 Uh, so it's pretty clear that at a minimum, if these drugs work at all, which is highly debatable,

00:44:43.200 they mostly work through the power of suggestion.

00:44:47.540 So it's, it's not much different from, you know, a hypnotist.

00:44:54.020 And people are very suggestible.

00:44:55.620 I mean, everybody knows this.

00:44:56.420 So there've been, speaking of studies, there've been a million studies that have showed this and you don't even need studies.

00:45:01.540 I mean, your, your experience being a person and being around people tells you that people are highly suggestible.

00:45:07.260 And so, uh, and especially when you're dealing with emotions, you're dealing with feelings.

00:45:14.900 Well, yeah, there's a certain number of people that if you give them a drug and you tell them this is going to make you feel better,

00:45:20.260 uh, they will feel better, right?

00:45:25.080 It's it, we do this with children all the time.

00:45:28.020 Um, it's like, uh, you know, my five-year-old daughter bumps her elbow and is crying.

00:45:35.480 And, and, uh, and so I'll give her a Band-Aid.

00:45:38.700 Say, well, this will make you feel better.

00:45:40.300 Even though the Band-Aid's not going to do anything, obviously, it doesn't actually make you feel better.

00:45:44.040 But you give the Band-Aid to the little kid and they immediately feel better.

00:45:47.960 Because they've been told that, that, or at least they, they believe, uh, that this is, this is kids love Band-Aids.

00:45:56.080 And so Band-Aids are, they, they see the Band-Aids as these magical, not just as great fashion accessories,

00:46:02.100 which is how kids see them, but also as these, as something that actually makes the thing feel better.

00:46:06.840 So you give the Band-Aid and they feel better because you told them that they would.

00:46:10.840 And, um, and, uh, am I suggesting that adult medical patients are like children in this regard?

00:46:22.380 Well, yeah.

00:46:23.280 I mean, we all are discerning.

00:46:24.440 We are all subject to suggestion.

00:46:27.660 We are all subject to the placebo effects in many different areas of life.

00:46:31.900 It's, it's just, and it's not, it doesn't mean that you're a gullible idiot.

00:46:35.820 It just, actually, it's, it's kind of the opposite.

00:46:37.960 It's your mind, it, it just tells you how powerful your mind is.

00:46:43.400 Um, so, uh, that, that is obviously going on with a, at least a certain number of these SSRI cases where someone says,

00:46:56.160 well, I took it and I felt better.

00:46:58.020 Um, you know, you, you, you felt better because you were told that you would.

00:47:03.600 And so you did.

00:47:04.120 So how much of it, so that, so then that's what you're left with.

00:47:08.000 You're left with, uh, well, we've got these studies, uh, they're only valid.

00:47:12.920 They can only hope to be valid if they're double blind studies, but they're actually not for the reasons we talked about yesterday.

00:47:18.160 And so some of the results are because of the, it's the, the, the, of breaking blind.

00:47:23.120 And, and then you also have the placebo effect kicking in.

00:47:28.420 And so what percentage, when you do the study and someone takes the, actually takes the SSRI and feels better,

00:47:37.780 what percent of them actually feel better and feel better because of what is happening,

00:47:44.860 happening chemically in their brain from the drug and not because of the placebo effect?

00:47:48.560 Like, well, there's just no way to know.

00:47:52.300 And, um, and yet they give these drugs out anyway.

00:47:57.680 Uh, let's see.

00:47:59.740 By Matt's reasoning, any woman that ever miscarried, where the woman's body automatically actively discards the embryo,

00:48:05.140 that makes her a murderer because her body killed the embryo. 1.00

00:48:08.980 This, like, I'm sorry.

00:48:09.880 This is the dumbest argument that I hear all the time.

00:48:12.620 If we're talking about IVF or we're talking about abortion or anything like that, you always hear this.

00:48:18.380 Like, well, aren't you saying miscarriage?

00:48:20.860 Do you really?

00:48:22.820 It's kind of mind-blowing that this, that this, it's, it's not just one person who makes this dumb argument.

00:48:27.460 I hear it all the time.

00:48:28.300 So there's, like, a lot of people out there who think this is a compelling, uh, you know, rebuttal.

00:48:34.360 No, there's an obvious difference with a miscarriage.

00:48:36.740 Miscarriage is not a choice.

00:48:37.940 It's not the woman's fault.

00:48:39.340 I mean, it's, this is something that happens naturally.

00:48:41.660 This is like if I said that it should be illegal to kill your four-year-old child, which it is,

00:48:49.200 and then you said, well, that would mean that if a four-year-old child dies of cancer, we have to put the parents in jail.

00:48:55.940 No, it doesn't mean that.

00:48:57.700 Those are two entirely different things.

00:49:01.120 So, uh, I don't know.

00:49:03.380 There's an obvious distinction there.

00:49:04.460 I'm not sure why you struggle to see it.

00:49:07.160 Um, we intentionally breed, eat, and discard pigs, cows, chickens, et cetera.

00:49:11.660 Your don't-kill-puppies argument doesn't really make sense.

00:49:13.900 They're all living creatures, and this is coming from a meathead.

00:49:16.120 IVF is definitely not the hill you want to die on.

00:49:18.580 Yeah, you're talking about factory farming, which most people find ethically problematic.

00:49:22.220 I mean, we do it, but a lot of people object to exactly the scenario you just laid out, even though it does happen all the time.

00:49:29.160 Um, and yet, most of the people who object to something like factory farming have no issue with IVF, which is a kind of factory farming of human embryos.

00:49:39.580 I mean, that's the way that it works, uh, in the vast majority of cases.

00:49:44.140 That's how the industry operates, and that's my whole point.

00:49:47.760 And as for it not being the hill I want to die on, um, I think that maybe you've noticed at this point that I'll pick whatever hills I want, and, uh, I really don't care who else is on the hill with me.

00:49:58.980 So this is not a compelling—here's another rebuttal that is just not compelling to me.

00:50:03.260 That's not a—you really want to die on this hill?

00:50:05.980 Most people don't agree with you.

00:50:07.160 Like, I get it.

00:50:07.760 I know.

00:50:08.000 Uh, we talked about IVF yesterday, and the vast majority of the comments were, um, the vast majority of the comments on the topic were disagreeing with me rather stridently.

00:50:18.720 Uh, I know that.

00:50:20.520 I—I knew that would happen.

00:50:22.000 I'm not stupid, despite what you may think.

00:50:24.560 Uh, I understand that my position on this is—puts me in a minority.

00:50:30.180 And, uh, that's fine.

00:50:31.620 It's my position.

00:50:32.520 I'm going to tell you what it is, and I'm going to tell you why I have it.

00:50:35.080 And there it is.

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00:51:27.700 Now let's get to our daily cancellation.

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00:51:59.860 So a woman says that her husband has planned a guy's trip with their 13-year-old son, John, and his nephew, Michael, whose mother, the husband's sister, is a single mom.

00:52:10.320 And their 11-year-old daughter, Kelsey, is upset about being excluded.

00:52:14.360 The wife seems to be even more upset about it.

00:52:16.640 Here's some of what she wrote.

00:52:17.620 My husband has been talking about planning a guy's trip this summer with him, Michael, and John.

00:52:24.920 While my husband was discussing with John, I could see Kelsey looking visibly sad because she wasn't included.

00:52:30.540 Later, I told my husband that Kelsey should go too and that there's no reason to exclude her.

00:52:34.400 He said he just wants some guy time with him, his son, and nephew, and that men need to, quote, have their time away from women. 0.58

00:52:41.680 I took offense to that comment, which led to an argument.

00:52:44.360 I told him that Kelsey needs to go.

00:52:45.720 Otherwise, I will not approve of the money being taken out of our family vacation budget to exclude some of our family.

00:52:52.120 Now, in a follow-up post, she said that she relented and granted her husband permission to go on a trip.

00:52:57.140 Because apparently, this is the kind of family where the husband needs permission from his wife to take his son on a trip.

00:53:01.700 But she has given her blessing begrudgingly.

00:53:05.220 And now the daughter, Kelsey, is very upset, has withdrawn from her dad, and doesn't want to be around him.

00:53:09.660 The husband offered to take Kelsey on a separate trip, just the two of them.

00:53:13.800 That's not good enough for Kelsey. 0.94

00:53:15.560 The wife, the one who brought this quandary to Reddit looking for guidance, has refused to help the husband repair the situation with the daughter.

00:53:23.240 She says it's his fault for hurting her so badly by excluding her from the guy's trip.

00:53:27.900 She writes, quote,

00:53:28.800 My husband tried to cheer her up by telling her he would plan something really cool with just the two of them.

00:53:32.660 But our daughter told him that she didn't want to do anything.

00:53:34.600 A couple days later, my daughter needed to be picked up early from school for a dentist appointment. 0.61

00:53:38.880 My husband said he would pick her up.

00:53:40.080 But she texted me asking, please, Mom, can you pick me up and bring me?

00:53:43.240 My daughter also has been getting the school bus in the morning instead of catching a ride with my husband and son, which she typically does.

00:53:48.900 Now my husband's been complaining to me about our daughter, saying he's done everything to make it up to her.

00:53:53.020 And that I need to step in.

00:53:54.000 I told him she would be hurt by excluding her from the trip.

00:53:57.580 And it's entirely his fault that she's icing him out.

00:54:00.640 He says we should work together and fix this because we're a team.

00:54:03.420 But he's the one who caused this hurt.

00:54:05.020 So it shouldn't be on me to fix it.

00:54:07.100 Starting to affect our relationship now, too.

00:54:09.740 And now she wants to know if she is the a-hole. 1.00

00:54:13.340 Now the answer, as I'll explain, is definitely 100% yes.

00:54:17.100 But most of the feedback is telling her what she wants to hear, which is that she's right.

00:54:20.840 And that is, after all, the only reason why people bring their personal problems to the Internet.

00:54:26.120 They don't want to know if they're right or wrong.

00:54:29.140 They want to be told they're right so that they can convince themselves that they're right.

00:54:33.460 And the only reason they need to convince themselves is that they recognize deep down that they're wrong.

00:54:37.940 But that's not what the feminists on X are saying. 1.00

00:54:42.060 The Reddit post was shared to the platform by a somewhat large feminist account with the caption, quote, 1.00

00:54:47.360 There's no backtracking now.

00:54:48.560 He's already shown his daughter what he thinks of her.

00:54:51.100 And a whole bunch of comments, almost all of them from women, are piling on,

00:54:54.120 saying the dad is sexist and selfish and cruel and has irreparably broken his relationship with his daughter and so on.

00:55:01.220 This is all totally wrong.

00:55:02.460 And although this is just a dumb post on Reddit, the post, along with the reaction to it,

00:55:06.880 reveals in microcosm why so many marriages fail in our culture.

00:55:11.980 The husband, though I'm sure he has made his share of mistakes in his life and in their marriage,

00:55:16.780 does not appear to have done anything wrong in this situation.

00:55:20.460 Indeed, the wife is presenting a version of events that is as favorable as possible to herself,

00:55:25.400 and yet she is still clearly in the wrong.

00:55:27.240 Which tells me that if we got the husband's side of the story,

00:55:31.600 we discover that she's even more wrong than she appears.

00:55:35.160 So the full severity and depth of her wrongness, we don't really know and we'll probably never know,

00:55:39.580 but we do know that she's wrong for at least two reasons.

00:55:42.360 And these are things that lots of married couples get wrong these days,

00:55:44.960 which is why it's worth talking about.

00:55:46.780 And the first is this, that she's not on her husband's side.

00:55:51.060 She's not presenting a united front to her children.

00:55:54.460 She's doing the opposite.

00:55:55.260 I mean, it's pretty clear that the daughter's anger at her dad is being fueled by her mom.

00:56:00.660 It's normal for an 11-year-old girl to be disappointed that she can't go on a trip.

00:56:03.800 It's not normal for this disappointment to turn into a festering resentment that lasts for days or weeks.

00:56:09.300 That is not normal.

00:56:10.500 Kids of that age get over stuff pretty quickly.

00:56:13.120 And if they aren't getting over it, it's because somebody, the mom in this case, doesn't want them to.

00:56:19.140 She's very clearly using her child as a cudgel to punish her husband. 1.00

00:56:22.560 This is one of the hallmarks of an unhealthy marriage. 1.00

00:56:26.360 In a healthy marriage, husband and wife will disagree about plenty of things,

00:56:30.920 but the children shouldn't know that they disagree.

00:56:35.180 And they certainly shouldn't be in the middle of it.

00:56:38.500 A wife should never want her husband to look bad in front of the kids,

00:56:42.760 and vice versa for the husband.

00:56:43.900 It is absolutely her job as the wife to defend her husband to the daughter 1.00

00:56:48.960 and to do her best to help heal that relationship.

00:56:51.960 That is absolutely your job as the wife. 0.99

00:56:55.800 You should want everyone to have a high opinion of your spouse, especially your kids.

00:57:00.360 You should be defending them always and on their side always,

00:57:03.580 even when you actually aren't on their side.

00:57:06.460 So here's how this should work, right?

00:57:08.440 If the wife thinks that the husband should take the daughter on the trip, 0.99

00:57:11.900 she should make her case to the husband.

00:57:15.380 But then when the daughter comes and complains to her about it, she should say,

00:57:19.760 well, listen, honey, your father wants to do a boy's trip.

00:57:22.680 I know you're disappointed, but we're not going to let you ruin their time or make this about you.

00:57:26.940 And I'll take you to do something fun while they're on their trip.

00:57:29.380 So she may disagree in private, but to her daughter, she should be on her husband's side.

00:57:35.200 She should have his back, be a team player.

00:57:38.500 That's how it should work.

00:57:39.680 If you want your marriage to last anyway, that's how it should work.

00:57:44.380 And second, it is important for fathers to have time with just their sons without any girls around. 1.00

00:57:52.780 Okay?

00:57:54.080 And there are some women that get offended by this, but it's like you can be offended. 1.00

00:57:58.780 But yes, it is important for men and for boys to have time without any girls around. 1.00

00:58:03.780 That's actually important.

00:58:05.800 The husband tried to explain this to the wife, but it apparently offended her of feminist sensibilities. 0.99

00:58:11.000 And she said that.

00:58:12.120 Well, I was offended by that comment.

00:58:14.060 So she just refused to listen.

00:58:16.980 Now, as a woman, she may not fully understand why guys need guy time. 0.77

00:58:22.300 She doesn't need to understand it.

00:58:25.200 It's like she's making this about herself.

00:58:26.600 She's saying, well, I was offended that you said that.

00:58:29.360 It doesn't matter if you're offended.

00:58:30.680 This is not about you.

00:58:32.100 Okay?

00:58:32.680 This is your husband explaining to you something that men need and that boys need.

00:58:38.740 And so your responsibility is just to listen because you don't understand.

00:58:43.320 You're not a guy.

00:58:44.200 And since you're not a guy and you don't understand it, you should be humble and just take your husband's

00:58:49.240 word for it.

00:58:49.780 He's more of an authority on what boys need than you are.

00:58:55.860 Now, instead, she became indignant and declared that because she doesn't personally see why

00:59:00.380 male bonding is so important, they shouldn't get any male bonding time.

00:59:04.300 This is the exact mentality, which is why it annoys me so much.

00:59:07.060 It's the exact mentality that has destroyed most opportunities for male bonding in our culture

00:59:13.520 and eradicated nearly every all-male space.

00:59:16.840 Because women like this wife show up and declare, well, I don't see why this should only be a place 1.00

00:59:22.000 for men.

00:59:22.500 So therefore, it will not be a place for men. 0.96

00:59:24.840 Actually, this thing that used to be for men and about men should be about me.

00:59:30.000 That's what I've decided.

00:59:31.040 Now, I have the good fortune to not be married to a woman like that. 1.00

00:59:36.520 So my wife never objects when I take my sons on our annual boys trip, which is a tradition

00:59:42.420 that we've had going for a few years now.

00:59:44.540 And in fact, she encourages it.

00:59:46.320 And because my wife is understanding, so are my daughters.

00:59:50.540 I have an 11-year-old daughter.

00:59:52.420 This is a very similar family.

00:59:55.520 Well, just in the fact I have an 11-year-old daughter.

00:59:57.260 I have more kids than that.

00:59:58.380 So I have an 11-year-old daughter, too.

01:00:01.040 And I've never had her.

01:00:02.000 She's not in a snit for days because we're going on a trip.

01:00:06.500 I take my boys somewhere for a few days, and we fish, and we cook meat over a fire, and

01:00:10.920 we stay up late watching Westerns.

01:00:12.480 And then my wife will take the girls to do something girly. 1.00

01:00:15.460 And there's no family crisis about it.

01:00:18.480 Everyone just has a good time, and it's fine.

01:00:22.180 It is crucial for boys to have time with just their dads.

01:00:25.520 It is a critical part of a boy's formation.

01:00:28.400 And you might be in a situation financially where you can't afford to go on a whole trip

01:00:33.880 and all that.

01:00:34.760 And if you can't, that's fine.

01:00:36.420 But you still, as a father, need to find time with just your sons.

01:00:42.540 It is a critical part, again, of a boy's formation.

01:00:44.900 It's how a boy will grow in his masculinity.

01:00:47.740 The other thing is that guys also relate to each other differently when there are no girls

01:00:52.540 around.

01:00:52.840 The energy is different.

01:00:55.540 The conversation is different.

01:00:57.280 Our annual boy's trip usually lasts just like three or four days.

01:01:01.240 And I find that by the second day, my boys will start to open up, and they'll talk about

01:01:07.300 things that they wouldn't normally talk about.

01:01:09.160 And it doesn't have to be anything serious.

01:01:10.560 For example, during the last two trips, we've discussed at some length what the boys want

01:01:15.700 to be when they grow up.

01:01:16.740 And those are conversations that we can obviously have at the house, and we have had them many

01:01:20.240 times, but on the boys' trip, when it's just the guys, they tend to talk much longer, and

01:01:26.020 they go into more detail.

01:01:27.280 They reveal kind of what their real dreams and aspirations are.

01:01:31.460 And they love their sisters, but when their sisters are around, they feel much more kind

01:01:35.020 of embarrassed displaying that kind of vulnerability.

01:01:38.920 Again, if you are a woman, you may not understand this. 0.99

01:01:44.020 Women like my wife do understand it. 1.00

01:01:45.700 So hopefully, even as a woman, you would understand this concept that guys need guide time and all 0.90

01:01:49.520 that kind of stuff.

01:01:50.380 But maybe you don't.

01:01:51.240 Maybe you don't.

01:01:51.640 There are obviously women who don't understand it. 1.00

01:01:53.640 That's fine.

01:01:54.760 You're not a man.

01:01:56.420 So all you can do then is listen to men when they tell you what men need and want, and

01:02:01.820 especially what boys need so they can grow into strong, masculine men.

01:02:06.340 It's another big problem in our culture.

01:02:08.920 This is one of the reasons why so many boys are lost, is that women, you have women like this 1.00

01:02:14.020 wife and so many feminists who think they know everything, and they think they know, they 1.00

01:02:18.920 think they're the authorities on how to raise boys and what boys need, and they refuse to

01:02:23.240 just listen even one time to men when men tell them, no, this is what, I was a boy growing

01:02:29.320 up.

01:02:29.560 I know what a boy needs.

01:02:33.160 So you should defer to men on this topic. 0.94

01:02:35.320 I know how, for feminists, I know how offensive and outrageous that is to ever be told that, 1.00

01:02:40.440 you know what, this is actually a topic where you don't know as much as men do, so maybe

01:02:44.500 you should just listen to them.

01:02:45.660 I know they'll never, they never want to hear that.

01:02:47.780 It's very offensive.

01:02:48.700 Well, how could you ever say that there are things I don't, yeah, well, you know what,

01:02:52.100 you're only proving the point, right?

01:02:54.800 This is exactly why.

01:02:56.780 When women react this way, it's like, and men see this, they're like, well, yeah, this 1.00

01:03:00.780 is exactly why we need the guy's time.

01:03:03.920 It's for this reason.

01:03:04.920 Um, and, and by the way, men will defer to women about womanly things, which also, by

01:03:15.500 the way, is why nobody ever objects to girls having a girl's night or a girl's trip.

01:03:21.840 It would not be controversial for a mom to take her daughter out to the salon and exclude 0.98

01:03:26.800 her sons from the outing, which is something that my, my wife does, does with the girls

01:03:32.100 sometimes, even when we're on the boy's trip, she will, but sometimes she'll, they went

01:03:35.420 out recently, they went to, um, tea time somewhere.

01:03:38.900 They went out with, for tea and it's like, we didn't even, it didn't even need to be a

01:03:43.660 whole like family discussion where we prepared the boys for it and all this kind of stuff.

01:03:47.640 It's just like, yeah, it's, it's a girl thing.

01:03:49.300 They're going out to do a girl thing and, uh, and, and that's it.

01:03:52.380 And it's fine.

01:03:53.440 It's fine.

01:03:54.180 It's good.

01:03:55.160 I want the girls to have that time with their mom and women are allowed to have that kind 1.00

01:03:59.960 of time.

01:04:00.180 And they're allowed to have their outings, their excursions, their spaces.

01:04:03.440 Now, sure.

01:04:04.200 Men in our society now might try to intrude in women's spaces by pretending to be women. 0.95

01:04:09.120 And that's bad.

01:04:11.080 Fortunately, we're having a lot of success pushing back against that kind of insanity.

01:04:14.660 Aside from the trans stuff, everybody acknowledges the need for female spaces. 0.99

01:04:20.660 It only becomes controversial when men want the same, which is why, as someone pointed out

01:04:25.940 on X, the boy Scouts no longer exist.

01:04:30.460 It's now scouting America.

01:04:33.400 The girl Scouts do still exist.

01:04:36.580 And that tells you everything you need to know about the gender dynamics in our culture.

01:04:41.540 The girls can have their time and their stuff and their events and all that. 1.00

01:04:46.140 The boys can't.

01:04:46.680 And that's obviously not fair.

01:04:49.540 And more importantly, it's harmful to boys.

01:04:52.000 They need their time and they need their space, too.

01:04:54.420 And if you are the mother of sons, you need to acknowledge that and respect it.

01:04:59.600 And if you don't, then you are today, I'm afraid to say, canceled.

01:05:05.700 That'll do it for the show today.

01:05:06.460 Thanks for watching.

01:05:06.940 Thanks for listening.

01:05:07.600 Talk to you, Mar.

01:05:08.040 Have a great day.

01:05:08.940 Godspeed.

01:05:09.260 Have a great day.

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