The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1555 - Michelle Obama And Dylan Mulvaney Both FLOP In The Same Week

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, Michelle Obama launched a podcast this week. Too much fanfare.

00:00:03.900 The trans activist Dylan Mulvaney launched his new book in the same week. Both have been complete

00:00:08.120 humiliating flops. What does that tell us about the left's broader problems in the culture?

00:00:12.640 Also, President Trump has a plan to eliminate taxes for everyone making under $150,000 a year.

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00:01:45.480 There are a lot of things that I'm willing to do for this show, a lot of sacrifices I've made over

00:01:49.600 the years, both big and small, and usually I don't like to draw attention to these sacrifices because

00:01:54.260 no one tunes into this show to listen to my personal problems. But today, I have to make an

00:01:58.580 exception to my normal practice. And once you see the footage I'm about to play, you'll see why.

00:02:03.600 I just endured what could be the single greatest trial of my podcasting career, if not my entire

00:02:08.960 life on this planet, without the assistance of any mind-altering substances or the YouTube fast-forward

00:02:14.600 button or anything like that. I just listened to multiple minutes, entire chunks of Michelle Obama's

00:02:21.660 new podcast, which is called IMO. And each episode is a full hour, and it features Michelle Obama and her

00:02:28.600 brother Craig. And sometimes, if you're lucky, you even get a special guest. But really, the special

00:02:33.340 guest is not an important part of the formula, because whether the guest is there or not, you can

00:02:38.620 expect to listen to approximately one hour of Michelle and her brother talking about themselves.

00:02:44.180 It's actually impressive the degree to which the entire show is about inane, completely

00:02:48.500 uninteresting details of these two people's lives. So here's just a sampling of the first episode. And

00:02:54.800 frankly, it's an impressive achievement if you can even manage to get through this short montage of

00:02:59.820 the most banal and uninteresting footage ever recorded in human history. Here it is.

00:03:06.560 What's really ironic is that we were talking about how small our place was.

00:03:13.520 Growing up, our house, yeah.

00:03:14.760 And then look where we're doing this taping in this big, beautiful Airbnb.

00:03:19.380 Palatial Airbnb.

00:03:20.820 Got a little more room here.

00:03:22.340 I know. Who would have thought we'd be able to be in a snazzy place like this?

00:03:27.240 Very early on, mom was like, you're going to kindergarten now. Here's an alarm clock. Here's

00:03:33.500 how to set it. Set it, get yourself up. Because as she said, you're going to school for you,

00:03:40.000 not for me. She's like, I had my education. And I don't believe that if you care about yours,

00:03:46.040 that you need your mom to be waking you up every morning. So from the time we started kindergarten,

00:03:53.020 you know, now she was up. It wasn't like she was sleeping in. She was just listening to hear us.

00:03:58.960 Get ourselves up.

00:04:00.060 Get ourselves up.

00:04:01.020 Start getting dressed. When we got a little older, even start our own breakfast.

00:04:05.340 And then I followed you to Princeton, you know, where you were two years ahead of me and big

00:04:12.920 man on campus there too, because he was all Ivy on the basketball team and, you know, all this sort

00:04:18.820 of stuff. So everybody knew Craig. I was always Craig Robinson's little sister. That, that I, you

00:04:25.220 know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm really enjoying the payback of Craig Robinson now being Michelle Obama's

00:04:31.440 brother. Boy, times have changed. But it made me stop and think about who I wanted to be.

00:04:39.960 And whether I was pursuing what I thought I was supposed to pursue or whether I was being true

00:04:45.040 to what I cared about. And Barack came into the picture and he was, as I call a swerver, never

00:04:51.100 really even thought about, you know, the, the need to pursue some high powered career, even though he

00:04:57.640 was Harvard educated, blah, blah, blah. It was all about what were we given back? What were we doing?

00:05:04.720 It really, it, it, it's, it, it comes off like a conversation between two, it's like a relative you

00:05:09.520 haven't seen for a while and they're coming over for, uh, for Thanksgiving and they're the, it's like

00:05:15.040 the, the relative that you, that you are least interested in talking to gets there first. And so now you're

00:05:20.380 just sitting at, you know, in the kitchen or standing there making small talk. And that's,

00:05:26.960 that's how it, that's how it comes across. Uh, when she says blah, blah, blah, at the end of that

00:05:31.240 clip, that was the one moment in the entire episode that really resonated with me on a deep level.

00:05:36.480 And that's when I thought that she recognized that actually people didn't want to hear about her

00:05:40.500 inferiority complex at Princeton or her mom giving her an alarm clock as a kid or the precise

00:05:45.540 educational credentials of her husband. Maybe this would mark a pivot point in the podcast where

00:05:49.920 she starts talking about something remotely interesting, but it never happened. It never

00:05:53.600 even came close to happening. By far, the best part of the first episode was the comment section,

00:05:58.180 which included lines like this. Uh, someone said, this should be called drop the mic with Michelle

00:06:04.060 Obama. Someone else said, remember when this guy drowned his chef in a lover's quarrel? Allegedly.

00:06:10.780 And then, uh, Joan Rivers was right. And then Mark Dice chimes in with, which one is Michelle?

00:06:16.860 Which is credit where it's due. One of the funnier YouTube comments I've read.

00:06:19.920 Quite some time. Then there's a bunch of people wondering why she's unwilling to be seen in

00:06:23.680 public with her husband anymore. And there's this observation. Someone here has got some

00:06:27.880 serious balls. By that, I mean, whoever hasn't disabled the comments yet. And that last person 0.74

00:06:32.180 makes a particularly good point because you will not find a single positive comment anywhere on the

00:06:38.320 page. As of Wednesday afternoon, a full 24 hours after the episode launched, it managed to rack up just

00:06:44.060 65,000 views. And more, more than half of that was clearly, or all of it, by the comments anyway,

00:06:50.620 was from trolls. People that were just looking to troll her. And the first 15 hours, it had under

00:06:55.380 20,000 views. And now everybody's flooding into market. But in the first two days, it did not come

00:07:00.820 close to 100,000 views, which is the bare minimum you'd expect a podcast like this to achieve.

00:07:05.760 Overnight, it seems to have made it up, made it up to about 160,000 views just from like

00:07:10.340 last night to today, which means they're almost certainly paying for views now because it's

00:07:14.620 embarrassing to have a podcast like this that doesn't at least crack, you know, 100,000. But

00:07:20.520 all in all, the show has not resonated, to put it mildly. And it's actually incredible if you think

00:07:25.840 about it. Somebody as famous as Michelle Obama launches a podcast that's been widely promoted

00:07:32.280 and publicized, and yet nobody is watching it. The media tells us that Michelle Obama is highly

00:07:38.500 popular and that she would be a shoo-in if she ran for president. But the numbers suggest that the 0.86

00:07:44.280 public isn't all that interested in her. And just to be sure I wasn't missing anything, I subjected

00:07:49.020 myself to some of the second episode of the podcast, which was also released on Wednesday.

00:07:54.200 This one features an actress as a guest, but it doesn't remotely change what they talk about,

00:07:58.040 which is themselves. Here it is.

00:08:01.760 My best friend and I have the same birthday, and it was like the 30-something birthday.

00:08:07.540 You're a Capricorn, too.

00:08:08.460 I'm a Capricorn.

00:08:09.040 Like me, 17?

00:08:09.660 Baby, yes, you already know, 12th over here.

00:08:12.020 That's why we bossy. 0.99

00:08:13.540 Yeah, I know. I know. I don't like saving it. I don't want to give my mother that satisfaction.

00:08:17.120 You know, I guess with me and my friends, because like you, I don't want to generalize.

00:08:23.560 As long as every now and then somebody else buys a round of drinks or it's lightweight.

00:08:34.120 I'm going to get it when I get home.

00:08:35.180 I'll give you an example, because my husband doesn't fully understand it, and he's got great

00:08:39.380 friends, friends that he has since high school. I know his friends, meaningful. But when a girl, 1.00

00:08:47.100 girlfriend comes to visit, it's usually like, you've got to stay for two days because it's

00:08:53.420 going to take us two days to check up, right? Both of us probably as Capricorns, we're probably

00:09:01.840 a little more honest about who we are, what we want. And, you know, and even though women 1.00

00:09:07.060 talk a lot, sometimes we don't, you know, we don't spend that time because we're pouring

00:09:11.880 that energy out. Like I'm, I'm, I understand you before I understand me.

00:09:16.040 Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

00:09:17.720 And it's, that's the nature of, you know, a lot of times women are giving or, you know, 1.00

00:09:23.920 without, without opening themselves up because that's hard, you know?

00:09:29.740 Now the lack of self-awareness here is genuinely breathtaking and at least a little hilarious.

00:09:34.480 The last clip came at the very end of the episode, by the way, she spends the whole time 0.85

00:09:37.940 talking about herself and then she nosedives into astrology and she claims that she's really

00:09:42.300 interested in trying to understand other people. Having discussed herself for two hours across

00:09:47.220 two episodes, Michelle Obama wants you to know that she's really interested in understanding

00:09:51.060 other people. That's what this is all about. And once again, the comments are full of people

00:09:55.020 asking what Big Mike, Big Mike did to the chef. You know, that's all the comments care about.

00:09:59.820 This episode has about 75,000 views in two days. Just for comparison's sake, Joe Rogan released an

00:10:05.120 episode on the same day and it has a million views. Unfortunately for anyone hoping the misery

00:10:10.980 would end here, there was one more video, a digital exclusive that they uploaded along with

00:10:15.360 these episodes. Picture the most cliched, trite content imaginable. And somehow this will probably

00:10:23.580 exceed your expectations. Even if you manage to get through the other two clips, there's a very

00:10:27.920 good chance that this will take you out. This is the last one, I promise. But here it is.

00:10:33.100 In my opinion. What?

00:10:36.840 A hot dog is not a sandwich.

00:10:40.940 Huh.

00:10:42.220 And people have been trying to convince me.

00:10:45.540 Is it just a hot dog?

00:10:46.980 It is a hot dog.

00:10:48.640 It's its own category?

00:10:49.760 It's its own category.

00:10:51.020 Is a hamburger a sandwich?

00:10:52.720 A hamburger can be a sandwich.

00:10:55.300 Yes.

00:10:55.500 Why can't a hot dog?

00:10:56.300 Well, what makes it? It's the shape of the hot dog?

00:10:59.280 You have two pieces of bread and some kind of thing in the middle.

00:11:04.720 Now, whatever focus group they paid to come up with segments like this, they need to get a refund

00:11:11.460 immediately. It's like if you asked AI to generate a relatable podcast, it would come up with exactly

00:11:17.480 this segment and have everyone say exactly what these people are saying. And it would give the

00:11:22.740 podcast the name IMO. And this is what Michelle Obama, who again, some people still pretend as a

00:11:27.660 major star and a potential presidential contender, is capable of producing. By the way, that video about

00:11:32.780 hot dogs has 25,000 views. So the point is that this is not just a problem that Michelle Obama is

00:11:39.060 facing. This is a broader crisis on the left. The trans activist Dylan Mulvaney, for example, has just

00:11:45.040 launched yet another effort to get himself some publicity after falling off the face of the earth. And

00:11:49.880 specifically, he released a new book that promises a modern lens to womanhood, even

00:11:54.680 though it's written by a man who decided he was a woman a couple of years ago. And

00:11:58.380 predictably, his book launch has been a complete disaster. Like everything else he's ever been

00:12:02.660 associated with. The word flop does not begin to describe this particular publication. It sits

00:12:08.500 right now, and it came out this week, at number 1,081 on Amazon at the moment, a few days after its

00:12:15.780 release. A day after its release, it had not cracked the top 500. So this probably translates

00:12:22.060 to maybe a few hundred books sold at most, to go along with, by the way, a rating of 2.9 stars on

00:12:28.420 Amazon. So it's an unmitigated failure. And initially, I wasn't even aware that Mulvaney's

00:12:34.060 book had come out. But then I saw that, like Michelle Obama's podcast, pretty much every

00:12:38.660 major media publication in the country has been covering it. CBS News, for example, had a friendly

00:12:44.140 sit-down with Dylan Mulvaney, asked him a bunch of softball questions, which he somehow couldn't

00:12:49.000 answer. Getting a sit-down interview on CBS to talk about your book is the kind of promotion that

00:12:55.240 most authors can only dream about. Conservative authors especially would never get that. But this

00:13:01.680 is a sort of assistance that Mulvaney, as the great trans mascot, gets, and it has not moved the needle 1.00

00:13:06.400 for him even one inch. But maybe Mulvaney's most embarrassing media appearance came on The View,

00:13:12.520 which he didn't seem capable, in which he didn't seem capable of articulating a coherent thought at

00:13:17.360 all. Here's just one example. Last week, California Governor Gavin Newsom said that he thinks that

00:13:26.060 trans athletes competing in girls and women's sports was deeply unfair. Now, I want to hear what

00:13:34.860 you think, because I'll tell you what I think, too. Yeah, the last time I played a sport, I was six

00:13:41.980 years old, and I was on a soccer team, but I assigned myself as the nurse. So I sat with the

00:13:47.540 band-aids. And so, in the words of Wicked, I am not that girl. But a dear friend of mine, Skylar,

00:13:54.960 he is a trans athlete. His handle's Pink Manta Ray. That's someone who I really look to for guidance.

00:14:01.380 And I think that is what's tricky, is like, now stepping in this identity. I'm still like a baby

00:14:06.440 trans. You know, I'm only three years in. Tomorrow's my anniversary. Your friend went from 1.00

00:14:11.300 female to male and is competing with other males. Correct. No. Yes. Her friend. Her friend

00:14:21.260 went from female to male and is competing with other males. So Gavin doesn't have a problem with that.

00:14:26.840 So, Whoopi Goldberg begins by distancing herself from Gavin Newsom because he dared to suggest,

00:14:32.660 dishonestly, that he doesn't think men should compete against women in sports. And then she

00:14:36.480 asks Mulvaney about his thoughts on the topic. And it turns out that he has no thoughts. He can't

00:14:42.160 defend the idea of men competing against women because it makes no sense. And for some reason,

00:14:47.260 he pretends that he can't have an opinion about it because he was bad at soccer or something. So

00:14:50.840 instead, he defers to somebody named Skylar, who he says is a trans athlete. And from what I can tell,

00:14:56.300 Skylar was a top-performing female swimmer at Harvard. And then she decided during a gap year that

00:15:00.920 she's really a man. So she swam with the men. And in that capacity, she went from a record-breaking

00:15:05.800 swimmer as a woman, which is what she is, to one of the worst athletes on the team. 1.00

00:15:10.560 And somehow this is supposed to be proof of something, I guess. If you ask Skylar,

00:15:14.560 it's proof that men don't have any advantages over women in sports, even though Skylar herself is 0.98

00:15:19.940 living proof that the opposite is true. But as the interview continued, Whoopi offered her own

00:15:24.960 assessment of the situation in an attempt to pick up the slack for Dylan. Here's how that went.

00:15:30.920 When you come in and you say, oh, you know, these men, these are men, you know,

00:15:38.640 competing against women, you're assuming that the women are weak and just can't do anything 1.00

00:15:45.140 except be here. Have you seen female athletes? They know what they're doing. So I'm not sure 0.99

00:15:53.380 what's going on or why this is an issue. The same for me as when people say, oh, you know,

00:15:59.500 I don't know how I feel about you. You do. God doesn't make mistakes. And the challenge

00:16:07.020 is not to the trans people, it's to the people who are not trans. That's what God is looking 0.93

00:16:12.660 to see how you treat people. Yeah. That's what, that's what is happening. So I was just curious

00:16:20.080 as to, as to, I liked your answer. Thank you. I liked your answer. Now, what, Whatopi pretends

00:16:26.280 not to understand is that no one is assuming that women are weaker. It's, we just know that that's 0.99

00:16:32.220 true. It's true in every relevant respect. This is why high school boys can defeat the best women's 1.00

00:16:36.960 soccer team on the planet. It's why women don't play in the NFL. And it's why no one is watching 1.00

00:16:41.840 The View anymore or buying Dylan Mulvaney's book or, you know, listening to Michelle Obama's podcast.

00:16:46.420 People are tired of being lied to in the name of a political ideology that becomes more discredited

00:16:50.820 by the day. And we can also add to this list, the total failure of Meghan Markle's Netflix show

00:16:55.760 and her Spotify podcast that was just canceled. These are all people, all leftists who have been

00:17:01.280 heavily promoted by the media in Hollywood. They get the kind of mainstream exposure that nobody on

00:17:06.760 the right has ever gotten or will ever get. And yet the audience doesn't care. They can't sell books

00:17:12.680 or podcasts. The public is totally disinterested. In fact, just about the only success the left has

00:17:18.240 had culturally lately is with Gavin Newsom's new podcast. That's actually doing fairly well. It's

00:17:23.080 getting, you know, it's getting, it's, it's, it has a, it has an audience, but it's only doing well

00:17:27.800 because his guests are all Republicans. If Gavin Newsom were doing a solo show or talking to other

00:17:33.500 leftists, it would do about as well as IMO with Michelle Obama. In other words, the left has the

00:17:38.680 same problem culturally that they have politically. They have no stars. They have no leaders in the

00:17:42.960 culture or on the political scene. There's a reason nearly all of the most popular political

00:17:47.600 podcasts are right wing. No matter how aggressively the left tries to force demented actors and 0.73

00:17:53.200 disingenuous politicians and incoherent ideologies on the public, it's just not working.

00:17:57.800 They can shove all of these people in our face and they do, but what they're discovering is that

00:18:03.480 they can't make us care. Now let's get to our five headlines.

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00:19:07.780 MSN reports, U.S. President Donald Trump does not want taxes on people making less than $150,000 a

00:19:14.540 year. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick told CBS News in an interview, emphasizing proposals such as

00:19:19.940 removing taxes on tips, overtime, and Social Security contributions, describing them as transformative

00:19:24.060 ideas for America. Ludwig's comments on tip taxes and Social Security echo Trump's promise to

00:19:28.660 eliminate tip taxes while also pushing for sweeping tax cuts for individuals and corporations.

00:19:32.240 And now the idea is to get rid of taxes for people making under $150,000 a year. So that's the

00:19:39.740 latest. And it seems to be a pretty popular proposal, at least among people on the right. And

00:19:47.400 you know, I'm going to be the party pooper on this one. I don't like this idea. Just like I'm not a fan

00:19:53.880 of the no tax on tip thing. But you know, you kind of have to track what I'm saying. You have to follow

00:19:58.020 the argument, listen to the whole argument, because I fully support letting people keep all their tips

00:20:04.740 without having to pay taxes on it. I fully support no tax on people under $150,000 a year. Yeah, I would

00:20:11.420 like for those people in that income bracket to not pay taxes. Totally. I think that's great. I support

00:20:17.360 and would celebrate people in those groups not paying taxes. As long as everyone else also doesn't

00:20:26.680 have to pay taxes. Because what I really want to get away from, what I'm frankly really sick of,

00:20:32.660 is using the tax code to arbitrarily choose winners and losers, which is what already happens.

00:20:40.640 And this is more of that. And we're so used to it that we think, well, it's just the way it is.

00:20:45.820 It doesn't have to be this way. There are other ways to handle taxes. There are other tax

00:20:50.360 systems you can have in place where it doesn't work this way. But the system we've had now for a long

00:20:57.960 time is that the government just decides who the winners and losers are going to be.

00:21:04.460 Already, high income earners carry almost all of the tax burden. Almost all of it.

00:21:10.720 So already, if you commit the great sin of achieving financial success, you will have 40% of your income

00:21:18.380 confiscated by the government. And that is just obscene. And I know that, like, whenever I talk

00:21:26.840 about this, and we were debating it on X as well, and so I get a lot of comments like, oh, you only

00:21:35.120 complain about it because they're taking 40% of your income. And that's why you don't like it.

00:21:40.060 Well, first of all, yeah. I mean, I don't like it when they take 40% of my income. I do find that

00:21:47.940 quite frustrating. I don't like that 40% of your income taken by the government to then be wasted.

00:21:56.560 Yeah, I don't like that. But for the record, I felt this way when I was a low-income earner and a

00:22:05.600 middle-income earner. I felt this way when I was making $17,000 a year. I felt this way, you know,

00:22:10.860 at $44,000 a year. I felt this way all the way. I feel this way now. I've been saying, when it comes to

00:22:16.580 taxes, I've been saying the same thing my entire adult life. I've had the same view of it my entire

00:22:21.300 adult life, regardless of where I am. And I've traveled, you know, I've been, I've traveled up

00:22:26.880 and down the income brackets. So I've got a good picture of where everybody sits and what the tax

00:22:31.980 burden is. It doesn't matter where I am. I feel the same way about it. I've always opposed the

00:22:38.660 progressive tax rate system that we have now. I've always opposed this idea of choosing winners and

00:22:45.260 losers even when I was in the winner group. The winner group as in the group that didn't have to

00:22:49.420 pay any taxes. I would look at that and say, well, that's not, like, I like the fact I'm not paying

00:22:55.460 taxes, but how is it fair that I'm not paying anything and these people over here are paying

00:22:58.780 like everything? In what way is that fair? I don't understand how that could possibly be fair.

00:23:03.320 What definition of fair are we using here? Now, my position, as you probably know, is that the income

00:23:11.800 tax is theft. It should not exist. It's an abomination. We should get rid of it. But if it does

00:23:20.840 exist, it should be equal. It should be flat. Everybody should pay the same percent. And that

00:23:24.980 doesn't mean that everyone pays the same amount. I don't think anyone's suggesting that everyone

00:23:29.100 should pay the same amount. Well, I do think everyone should pay the same amount because the

00:23:32.220 same amount should be zero. I think everyone should pay zero. But if there has to be an income

00:23:37.020 tax system, then it should be a flat tax, a stable equal rate of, say, 10%. And then everyone's

00:23:48.420 paying the same percentage, but everyone obviously is not paying the same amount because the amount

00:23:51.760 you pay is depending on the percentage of your income. But that is without question the fairest

00:23:57.040 way to do an income tax if you're going to do one, which, again, you shouldn't.

00:24:01.060 I mean, if someone making $150,000 a year doesn't have to pay any tax, why should someone making

00:24:10.680 $225,000 a year have to pay tax? How is that fair? You know, these are people basically the same

00:24:19.380 income bracket, you know, living next door to each other probably in the same neighborhood.

00:24:22.920 So if you're the $225,000 guy, you're living next to $150,000 a year salary, you got to pay taxes,

00:24:30.800 but he doesn't? How in the hell is that fair? And what makes $150,000 so special? Why is that

00:24:40.080 the cutoff? Why not $165,000? Why not $75,000? Why are we putting it there? And what if the guy at

00:24:48.840 $225,000 is the sole breadwinner for a family of four while a guy making $145,000 a year is single

00:24:55.620 and has no dependents? Why should the single guy with $145,000 a year income get to pay no tax while

00:25:02.980 the family has to pay a tax? I mean, that makes no sense. The only justification I ever hear for

00:25:09.480 this kind of thing or the progressive tax rate or anything like that is while it's a fair share.

00:25:15.420 Everyone has to pay your fair share. No, what I'm asking is how is that the fair share?

00:25:23.360 Okay, in our current system, you pay 40% if you make over, I think, $600,000. You know,

00:25:29.520 whatever the topic of Brexit is, you pay about 40%. Why should anyone have 40% of their income

00:25:36.080 confiscated? I don't care how much they make. How is that? And then the answer is, well, it's a fair

00:25:41.500 share. Says who? Who said that that's the fair? What do you mean by fair? Who decides that? Who is

00:25:48.120 this, you know, flawless arbiter of fairness? Who gets to decide that? And there never is any answer.

00:26:01.680 It's always just, well, it's a fair share. What do you mean by fair? That's fair. That's it.

00:26:05.960 By fair, I mean fair. I mean, really, if you're going to choose winners and losers,

00:26:14.900 which I don't think we should be, but if you're going to select some special group that gets a

00:26:21.060 get out of jail, get out of a tax-free card, you know, it should be families, if anything.

00:26:27.000 It should be Americans with X number of kids, whatever it is, say two or three. 0.85

00:26:34.780 They don't have to pay any taxes. That at least makes sense because then you're incentivizing

00:26:39.640 Americans to have kids and you're making it easier for parents to feed and clothe their 0.85

00:26:43.100 children. So if you are, if you're going to, if we're going to just look at a certain group and

00:26:48.920 say, yeah, they don't have to pay any taxes. They're going to be, they're going to get off scot-free

00:26:52.640 and everybody else is going to have to pay the tax, is going to have to carry the tax burden,

00:26:55.860 but not these people. If you're going to do that, if there's any group that it makes sense to kind

00:27:02.000 of single out for that great privilege, it, families, that's the, that's the group that would

00:27:07.160 make sense. But I'm not in favor of that either, actually, because I think it should just be equal

00:27:15.340 for everybody if you're going to have it. Everyone pays the same percent. And not only is that

00:27:21.680 quote-unquote fair, or it's, there is no fair way to do an income tax. It's an inherently unfair

00:27:27.420 abomination of a practice, but it's the fairest version of this unfair thing.

00:27:33.940 But not only does it make it fair, it also, it also greatly reduces the complication and makes the

00:27:40.560 whole tax system much simpler. Like, it makes it so that you can, you actually know how much

00:27:51.680 tax you're going to owe. There's no complicated formula. You don't have to pay anyone to figure

00:27:57.700 out your taxes for you. It's, it's, it's no mystery at the end of the year. How much do I owe? How much

00:28:03.720 am I getting back? None of that stuff. It's, you know, exactly if you can do, if you can do basic

00:28:10.280 math, you don't even need it. You wouldn't even need a calculator. Okay. Taxes should be, if you're

00:28:13.920 going to have them, income tax, it should be so simple that you don't even need a calculator to do

00:28:18.420 it, much less an accountant. That would be the case with a flat tax of 10%.

00:28:24.440 All right, let's move to this. Daily Wire has this report. Democrat Governor Kathy Hochul signed

00:28:33.760 an executive order on Tuesday, barring the thousands of correctional officers she fired

00:28:37.700 from ever working for the New York government again, including even for counties. That's covered

00:28:43.520 by Daily Wire. About 15,000 officers began striking and protesting on February 17th, arguing that prisons

00:28:47.880 across the state have become totally unsafe for inmates and workers following the implementation

00:28:52.200 of the Democrat-backed Halt Act. Hochul used aggressive tactics against them, including terminating

00:28:57.340 health coverage for some 5,300 officers and their dependents, and eventually firing 2,000 officers

00:29:02.980 and sergeants on Monday. And now she signed an executive order saying, not only are you fired,

00:29:07.480 but you can never work in the prison system or in any government job anywhere in the state at any

00:29:13.940 level ever again. So this is obviously vindictive, evil. Kathy Hochul is seeking vengeance on the 0.97

00:29:24.480 people who dared to defy her. She's trying to permanently prevent them from getting jobs in 1.00

00:29:29.620 their field or in any government field. There's no reason to do that other than just a desire to harm

00:29:35.280 the people who tried to defy you. That's the only reason to do it. And this all stems from these prison

00:29:40.260 guards simply not wanting to be assaulted at their jobs. They're trying to minimize the amount of times

00:29:45.920 that they are attacked and bludgeoned and sexually assaulted and sprayed with urine and feces.

00:29:51.380 Like, that's about the most reasonable demand an employee could ever make. It's the most reasonable 0.87

00:29:57.020 demand. It's the lowest bar, right, that you can set. And that's all they're asking for. But the

00:30:04.860 problem is that Democrat policies in the state have made the job much more dangerous for prison guards.

00:30:09.740 They've created this problem. So giving them what they want, which is a basic level of safety and

00:30:14.940 dignity, would mean rolling back some Democrat policies and actually prioritizing the needs of

00:30:19.660 prison officers over prisoners. And Hochul just can't do that. She won't do it. So instead, 0.56

00:30:25.420 she's playing a very vicious form of hardball. And here's what gets me about this. Aside from the 0.90

00:30:29.700 fact that the prison guards, the corrections officers, are obviously right, Hochul is wrong. Also,

00:30:36.240 the governor here is showing a willingness to play hardball in a way that she never has and never 0.99

00:30:43.960 would in any other context. Do you think she'd ever do this to teachers who were striking?

00:30:50.760 No. Or what about, again, the inmates? Where is this energy when it comes to the violent criminals

00:30:57.580 who are wreaking havoc in your cities? Imagine if Hochul was willing to be as tough and heartless and 1.00

00:31:04.720 ruthless with them as she is with the people who we rely on to protect us from these criminals.

00:31:12.040 But no, she reserves all of that, this kind of ruthless, merciless

00:31:19.680 approach, she reserves only for the people that are actually serving the public and protecting us.

00:31:29.820 I want to respond to this briefly. You may remember, I'm sure you remember the, because it just happened,

00:31:34.580 the incident with Congressman McBride at the hearing this week when he was correctly gendered by Republican

00:31:40.180 Congressman self. And lots of people on the left were mad about that. But Tommy Lahren,

00:31:47.820 Fox News commentator, was also a bit peeved. And I want to respond to this because here she is 0.95

00:31:53.160 talking, I think this is Danica Patrick she's talking to, but they're talking about this incident.

00:32:00.040 And here's what they have to say. Listen.

00:32:01.180 There is a representative who is transgender. Sarah McBride was purposely referred to as 0.60

00:32:08.580 Mr. And it's getting a lot of traction. I feel like it's mean spirited to do it just to be mean.

00:32:14.500 Now that doesn't mean that I want transgender people in women's sports or women's spaces, 1.00

00:32:19.420 because that has an actual physical, tangible impact.

00:32:23.900 I'm still learning the characters and politics right now. I'm like, oh, it does look like a girl.

00:32:28.480 So, you know, obviously there's been a transition made. There's it's it's it's a lot different than

00:32:34.420 when someone's at a cafe and it's a guy with a beard and a mustache and clearly a man, but then

00:32:41.620 has a skirt on and lipstick. And you're like, want to be called a girl? It's like that is very

00:32:46.700 difficult to understand. And this is reaching. This is attention. This is reaching. This isn't fair.

00:32:51.620 But I think it's inappropriate. I think, look, this is this is clearly looks like a woman. 1.00

00:32:57.620 And it was and it was done twice.

00:33:01.900 So no, no twist ending here. I have to disagree. I have exactly the take that you knew that I would

00:33:07.360 have. I very much, very much disagree with this. It's not mean spirited to call a man a man.

00:33:14.220 In no context, in no scenario, could it ever be mean or mean spirited to correctly identify a man

00:33:20.540 as a man? And that doesn't mean that it's never mean spirited to say something that's not that

00:33:26.240 that's true. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that it can never be mean to speak the truth.

00:33:32.860 There are scenarios where saying something that is true could be mean. Now, there's never a scenario

00:33:40.700 where lying is OK or where you should ever lie in order to not be mean. But there are times when

00:33:45.200 you could say something that is true. But you didn't need to say it. And so it's it was mean

00:33:51.440 spirited to say so for and there are many obvious examples of this kind of thing. For example,

00:33:58.700 if Congressman McBride was also massively overweight and Congressman Self had introduced him by saying,

00:34:07.300 OK, I now yield the floor to the very fat gentleman from Delaware.

00:34:11.120 And I got to yield a lot of floor to him. Now, that would be true. It's a true statement.

00:34:16.520 It would also be mean. In that context, there's no reason to say that you don't need to. Yes.

00:34:21.340 Now, there could be times when you have to talk to somebody about the fact that they're overweight

00:34:24.120 and you never want to lie to them and tell them they're not overweight if they are, if they ask you.

00:34:27.760 But in that context, there's no reason to point that out. It's true, but it would be mean.

00:34:33.460 Or, you know, how about another example? What if if Jasmine Crockett was on the committee

00:34:38.540 and if Congressman Self had said, I now recognize the woman with a 75 IQ from Texas, Ms. Crockett? 0.98

00:34:46.380 Again, that's true. It's true. It's a true thing to say about her. And it would be hilarious.

00:34:51.740 So, I mean, I would I would laugh if he had said that, but it would be mean. I mean,

00:34:57.640 we can't we can't deny that it would be a mean thing to say in that context.

00:35:00.320 So, those are examples where saying something that is true is is mean because it's an unnecessary

00:35:11.260 detail or observation about someone. It's an embarrassing observation about someone

00:35:17.680 that you didn't need to make in that. Such, you know, in that in that context.

00:35:24.300 However, the fact that McBride is a man, that is not the same as weight or IQ or some other

00:35:34.680 embarrassing fact. I mean, the fact that you're a man is not an embarrassing fact about you,

00:35:38.920 first of all. If you're embarrassed by it, then that's kind of your problem. That's your

00:35:45.220 own hang up. That's not anyone else's problem. It's also, more importantly, a fundamental fact

00:35:51.180 about him. It's so fundamental that you cannot even talk about the guy. You cannot say two

00:35:56.760 sentences about him without acknowledging that he's a man. Just in the past two sentences that

00:36:01.740 I've said about this case, I have acknowledged McBride's sex like three or four times. And not

00:36:08.080 even because I'm trying to make a point, but just because that's how people talk. It's an unavoidable

00:36:14.720 reality. We are, we are, we are forced to either acknowledge that he's a man or play along with

00:36:22.640 the shray that he's a woman or completely change our speaking patterns and make ourselves sound like

00:36:29.080 these weird AI robots in order to avoid using pronouns at all. But those last two options are

00:36:36.900 not acceptable. The last two options would be us going along with, or, or going out of our way to

00:36:44.060 cooperate with a falsehood. And that's, that's the trans issue that, that it is, it, it forces us to 0.94

00:36:58.700 take a side. And there have been people like Tommy Lahren this, this whole time is one of the,

00:37:04.900 one of the ways that the trans agenda has been able to, uh, was able to establish such a foothold

00:37:11.760 in our culture. I get a stranglehold on the culture is because you had a lot of people that

00:37:16.700 took the Tommy Lahren approach and said, yeah, I don't agree with it, but I don't want to be rude.

00:37:23.060 And so I'm going to stay out of it. But in this case, staying out of it or trying to avoid it

00:37:29.800 is taking the side of the trans activists. Because when you've got people who come along 0.99

00:37:37.860 and make the claim that men are women, that, you know, that men are actually women and women are

00:37:42.240 actually men, that's the kind of claim that you can't stay neutral on it. And when you have a person

00:37:47.980 walking around in the world, who's a man claiming that he's a woman, you can't stay neutral on that.

00:37:54.280 He is forcing you to take a side. He is forcing you to either side with the reality or with this

00:38:00.860 fiction that he's created. And they do this very intentionally. They very intentionally are doing

00:38:09.580 this. We have a choice to stick with the truth or join them in the lie. There really is no middle

00:38:18.340 ground here. And so you have to choose the truth. And that's it. And Congressman McBride,

00:38:33.700 Sarah McBride, who's really, Tim McBride, I believe, is the original name.

00:38:42.320 If the other option, aside from the Republicans being quote unquote mean to him,

00:38:48.340 would be for Republicans to do what they would have done had this guy showed up in Congress five

00:38:54.060 years ago, which is just to go along with it, to play along with the charade. And you cannot do that.

00:39:04.220 All right. Speaking of charades that you can't play along with,

00:39:09.880 New York Post has this. A member of a state panel advising the director of Oregon's health authority

00:39:14.700 made a wild first impression at a meeting by proclaiming, I use they, them, and turtle for my

00:39:19.920 pronouns. J.D. Holt, who also goes by J.D. Terrapin on Facebook, made the declaration with a straight

00:39:25.740 face while introducing themself. That's how the New York Post wrote this. While introducing themself

00:39:34.380 at a virtual council meeting on December 20th, we have, I think, a clip of this half-human, half-turtle

00:39:43.920 introducing herself. I believe this is a female. Introducing herself. Here it is. Let's listen.

00:39:51.500 Hello, everybody. It's J.D. with turtle and pronouns. Pronouns are turtle and they, them.

00:39:57.500 Hello, everybody. It's J.D. I use they, them, or turtle for pronouns. Hello, everybody. It's J.D.,

00:40:03.420 they, them, and turtle for pronouns in the Springfield Eugene area.

00:40:07.880 I got to say, this Ninja Turtles remake looks a bit strange. I don't know what happened. Usually,

00:40:15.720 the Ninja Turtles were in pretty good shape, weren't they? But they did eat a lot of pizza,

00:40:21.360 and that catches up with you after a while. So, I'm not going to make fun of this woman.

00:40:26.600 Honestly, I'm, you know, I'm glad she's finally coming out of her shell.

00:40:32.940 Even if the news of this person does leave me a bit shell-shocked.

00:40:40.100 That's really all. That's all. That's it. That's all I had on this. I just wanted to make a couple

00:40:43.940 of turtle puns. A couple of Ninja Turtle jokes and turtle puns, and then we're out. That's all

00:40:47.580 needs to be said. Because I don't think we need to spend time explaining why it's absurd to identify

00:40:51.300 as a turtle. Although, just for the record, it's not any more absurd than any other

00:40:56.340 false self-identification that you hear from these people. A man is as much a woman as he is 0.89

00:41:01.780 a turtle, in the sense that he's totally not a woman at all, just as he's totally not a turtle at

00:41:06.420 all. I do wonder about the grammar here, because even if she is a turtle, which I don't think she

00:41:13.320 is, my hypothesis is that she's not actually a turtle. But that wouldn't change her pronouns.

00:41:19.540 If I was talking about an actual turtle, I would use he or she pronouns.

00:41:26.900 If there was a turtle walking across the ground, I would say, oh, he's walking across the ground.

00:41:33.180 Because turtle is not a pronoun. So what does that sound like? Let's just try an example.

00:41:38.300 You take the sentence, she drove in her car to the store and bought 12 of her favorite donuts and

00:41:47.420 ate them all by herself. Okay, let's take that sentence. Now using turtle pronouns, turtle drove

00:41:55.560 in turtle car to the store and bought 12 of turtle favorite donuts and ate them all by her turtle. 1.00

00:42:03.300 That's how that sentence would sound if you were actually respecting the pronouns.

00:42:09.760 Which, to go back to our last story, if you're Tommy Lahren, I'd like to ask Tommy this,

00:42:16.820 would you respect those pronouns? Would you use the turtle? She uses turtle pronouns.

00:42:23.560 You don't want to be mean-spirited, do you? This is how she identifies herself as a turtle.

00:42:28.460 So would you speak that way about this woman? Like, ever in a million years, would you do that?

00:42:39.380 I'm going to assume that you wouldn't. And why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you use turtle pronouns,

00:42:48.180 even though this is how she identifies? That's her self-identification. That's her truth.

00:42:52.300 And it would make her really sad. It would make her very sad if you did not use turtle pronouns.

00:43:01.420 But why wouldn't you use the turtle pronouns? Well, because number one, it's ridiculous. 0.92

00:43:06.500 Okay, just like it's ridiculous to call a man a woman. And number two, it's just not true. Because 0.98

00:43:12.760 even though she would like for you to refer to her as a turtle, you recognize that she's actually not

00:43:19.760 that. It's just, it's not true, is the reason why you wouldn't do it.

00:43:27.980 So I would take that and apply it to Mr. McBride. Let's get to the comment section.

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00:44:50.560 The story about Matt's sister with the homeless woman. I had a very similar situation happen to me

00:44:54.280 years ago. There was a homeless woman living in her car in a parking lot near where I worked. 0.98

00:44:58.260 I saw her every day. She had a dog who was clearly sick and was breaking my heart as an animal lover.

00:45:02.440 I decided to take her a big bag of supplies, including food like granola bars, water, personal

00:45:07.380 care items, and a large bag of dog food and supplies. She did take it, but didn't say thank

00:45:11.420 you and told me next time she really prefers McDonald's to all this. True story. Yeah, there

00:45:18.700 are a million stories like this that most people have if you've tried to help the homeless, if

00:45:26.280 you've done these kinds of random acts of kindness. I mean, there could be plenty of times

00:45:30.420 when you offer a helping hand and you get gratitude and all of that, what you would expect, but

00:45:37.220 that is certainly not always the case. I mean, I can remember just one example of many that

00:45:43.420 I could pull from personal examples. It was a couple of years ago. I was going into a deli,

00:45:51.980 I think it was, to get just lunch. It was a homeless guy outside, and so I decided to buy

00:45:57.120 him a sandwich. And yeah, granted, I didn't go out and ask him what kind of sandwich he likes. I was

00:46:02.280 in line. It was kind of a spur of the moment decision, but I did figure that he'll probably

00:46:08.760 accept whatever sandwich I get him. I mean, he's homeless. He's living out on the street. He needs

00:46:12.980 to eat. So I got him some sandwich, and I gave it to him. And he didn't say thank you. He just

00:46:18.580 kind of took it from me as I'm walking away. And that part, you know, fine, whatever. But as I'm

00:46:24.940 walking away, I saw him throw it away. I think it took one bite and just threw the sandwich in the

00:46:28.480 trash. And now you could say, well, maybe he wasn't hungry. Maybe he doesn't like that kind of

00:46:33.640 sandwich. Okay, well, you could have just said that. You could have let me keep the sandwich.

00:46:38.580 Or you could have given it to one of your fellow homeless people. Pass it on to somebody else who's

00:46:46.740 in need. You don't want the sandwich or don't like it. Instead, you just waste it. When you're

00:46:52.200 homeless, you're living on the street, you're throwing food in the garbage is a crazy thing to

00:47:02.220 do. But of course, that's the kind of behavior you often get from homeless people because they

00:47:06.440 are, you know, they're in the vast majority of cases, they are homeless because their their minds

00:47:13.120 have been warped either by either by drugs or because they're severely mentally ill or some 0.67

00:47:22.520 combination of the two. And usually it's a combination of the two. Usually these are

00:47:25.500 factors that are feeding off of each other. I used to feel way more sorry for homeless people than I do

00:47:30.440 these days. I've had people turn up their nose when I've offered them food. And I don't offer people

00:47:34.100 stuff like that. I don't offer people stuff that's been chewed on or anything like that.

00:47:38.220 When I do offer food, it's nothing that's been cut in half and not touched.

00:47:43.940 One time there was a guy sitting near the train station near the house. I had just come from

00:47:46.820 grocery shopping. He looked in bad shape. I can't remember what I offered him, but it was obviously

00:47:50.480 new slash fresh because I just bought it. I remember asking him quite a few times. I showed him the

00:47:56.680 bags. I told him I just bought it at the store down the street. He turned it down over and over.

00:48:00.420 What could I do? I've also heard that they turned down being taken to a shelter even in below zero

00:48:06.680 weather. I haven't seen it personally, but I've heard about it when I have called 911 when I've

00:48:11.200 seen people out there in the winter who does that. Yeah, well, drug addicts and mentally ill 0.97

00:48:15.980 people do. And that describes almost 100% of homeless people. Not 100%, maybe not actually 100%,

00:48:21.160 but almost. And that is the underlying problem that has to be addressed, like we talked about

00:48:29.160 a couple of days ago. If you want to do something about homelessness, the kind of giving them money,

00:48:36.000 giving them food, giving them blankets, opening homeless shelters, all that, these are good things

00:48:41.900 to do. As I said, I have done them. I still do them. But as we've noticed, it doesn't do anything

00:48:50.020 to solve the problem. The problem only continues to get worse. So these are very much band-aids.

00:48:56.260 And sometimes it's good to give someone a band-aid, but you're not doing anything about the underlying

00:49:01.220 problem. Matt, you keep lumping together gender identity and sexual orientation. They're not the 0.51

00:49:07.760 same thing. I agree with you that a boy is a boy and will always be a boy. But attraction to someone

00:49:12.820 of the same sex or both sexes is not something someone can convert from. If you're homosexual or 0.82

00:49:18.160 bisexual, you will always be that, no matter how much you may or may not suppress it. You may find

00:49:24.860 it disgusting or a violation of Christianity, but it doesn't mean it's not a reality. As far as free

00:49:29.100 speech and therapy goes, I agree with you there. If somebody wants to pursue therapy to try to convert

00:49:33.300 from one orientation to another, though, they should have every legal right to do so in a manner that

00:49:37.740 doesn't violate the law. Okay, so we agree that so-called conversion therapy should not be outlawed.

00:49:44.620 We agree on that. That's the most important thing for this conversation. But you say it's

00:49:51.280 impossible for a person's sexual orientation to change. My question is, how do you know that?

00:49:56.040 I understand that that's the gospel these days. I understand it's accepted as fact. It's accepted

00:50:02.440 as fact that if somebody has same-sex attraction, that there's no therapy, there's no counseling or

00:50:08.720 anything that they can go through that's going to change that. So I know that that's the generally

00:50:13.640 accepted fact. I'm asking how we know it's a fact. Where are you getting that from?

00:50:21.980 Don't we have plenty of evidence of people's sexual orientation changing? At least don't we have 0.97

00:50:26.660 evidence of people's sexual behavior changing, which would point, it would seem, to a change in

00:50:33.160 orientation? I mean, there are obvious examples that you could use. Prison, for example, a lot of

00:50:42.440 homosexual behavior among men who we can assume did not engage in such behavior before going into

00:50:48.100 prison. Now, you could say that their behavior changed, but not their orientation. That's your 0.83

00:50:53.260 hypothesis. It's what you assume. But I guess I would say that the distinction then between behavior

00:51:00.940 and orientation is sort of moot. It's kind of irrelevant. If you're involved in sexual activity

00:51:07.280 with a dude in prison, you're gay. I mean, that's your pretty good indication that you're 0.99

00:51:13.080 a homosexual. That's your orientation. So it stands to reason that it can go the other way. 0.98

00:51:22.160 Someone who has same-sex attraction can change their behavior and thus their orientation.

00:51:26.420 I at least would need to know what your evidence is, rather than this being constantly asserted

00:51:34.440 as gospel. I don't care that it's, you know, the modern gospel, the modern secular liberal gospel

00:51:39.820 is one that I reject in almost every case, or not Elma. I reject it in every case.

00:51:46.260 I have not found any time when my beliefs even incidentally line up with the modern secular gospel.

00:51:51.380 So I know it's in that gospel, but what I'm saying is, what are you basing that on?

00:51:58.780 But when it comes to, as you point out, when it comes to this topic of conversion therapy,

00:52:02.680 that's almost, if not irrelevant, that's kind of a downstream topic.

00:52:08.260 Because whether or not you think it's possible for a person to, quote-unquote, convert

00:52:12.320 from same-sex attracted to heterosexual, obviously, if they want to pursue that change in their

00:52:21.220 lifestyle, they should be able to. And if you have a Christian counselor who wants to try to help

00:52:26.520 people in that quest, they should be able to do that. And if you think that it's horrifically

00:52:33.740 offensive, you can feel that way. That's fine. But you don't need to be in the room. You don't need

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00:53:11.980 Here's a statistic that, unless you're familiar with how things work in the third world, probably

00:53:22.240 comes as something of a surprise. It turns out that as of 2020, roughly one-third of all pilots

00:53:27.500 in Pakistan have fake licenses. They didn't pass any of the required proficiency tests. More than 260 0.99

00:53:33.220 of the 860 pilots working for Pakistan's domestic airlines, according to the government, did not take

00:53:37.880 the exam themselves. They paid someone else to do it for them, when in fact they had little or no

00:53:42.600 flying experience. And Pakistan finally realized the extent of this fraud only after a plane crash 1.00

00:53:47.520 in Karachi that killed nearly 100 people. The pilots in that crash made about a dozen mistakes,

00:53:52.380 like forgetting to drop the landing gear, just as one example. And it took a catastrophe of historic

00:53:58.420 proportions for Pakistan to realize that their system was hopelessly broken. As a result, you know,

00:54:04.500 for years Americans have been able to look at countries like Pakistan with a sense of pity, if not morbid

00:54:09.400 amusement. We say, look at those people who can't even make sure their pilots can fly planes. 0.97

00:54:15.500 And then we congratulate ourselves for living in a country where something like that would be

00:54:18.880 unthinkable. After all, in the U.S., we have rigorous standards. We would not allow people who are complete 0.89

00:54:23.760 frauds to handle critical jobs in the aviation industry, jobs that, if they're done poorly, can cause mass

00:54:29.340 casualties. And that was true, of course, right up until the Obama administration, as we've covered,

00:54:33.780 around 2012, standards for air traffic controllers began to plummet. The Obama administration effectively

00:54:38.840 replaced a rigorous aptitude test, one that asked difficult logic questions, with a much more

00:54:44.300 straightforward biographical questionnaire. And this biographical test was more heavily weighted

00:54:49.700 than any other part of the application process. In this questionnaire, applicants were asked, for

00:54:54.060 example, whether they needed a great deal of time to complete assignments, or whether they take chances

00:55:00.140 very often. And also asked, for some reason, how many sports they played in high school. And believe

00:55:05.660 it or not, applicants got top marks if they said that they take chances a lot and take a long time

00:55:12.720 to complete assignments and played more than three sports in high school. In other words, yes, the Obama

00:55:17.720 administration deliberately sought out air traffic controllers who are risk takers and who are

00:55:24.100 procrastinators as long as they can play basketball. Now, we've discussed this biographical questionnaire

00:55:30.280 before in the context of a lawsuit that was filed by white air traffic controllers who determined

00:55:34.840 correctly that the point of this test was to discriminate against them. Not much of a stretch since Obama had

00:55:40.960 already admitted as much. What we didn't have until this week is the full picture of just how corrupt

00:55:47.060 this application process was. So about a decade ago, Fox Business reported that a senior FAA official

00:55:53.120 who also served as a member of an industry group called the National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation

00:55:58.160 Employees had tipped off some non-white applicants about the best way to answer the questions for the

00:56:03.880 FAA's test for air traffic controllers. Fox obtained some of this communications at the time, but now,

00:56:09.740 courtesy of the Daily Mail, we have a full unredacted voicemail sent by that FAA official whose name is

00:56:15.760 Shelton Snow to potential air traffic control applicants. And I want you to listen as Snow

00:56:20.960 tells his, quote, brothers and sisters that he's about to send them an email giving them the answers

00:56:26.560 to the FAA's test. Listen.

00:56:29.300 Washington Suburban, associate members, brothers and sisters, listen. It's been a really busy time for me

00:56:36.240 these past four days. I know that each of you are eager, very eager, to apply for this job vacancy

00:56:43.000 announcement. And trust, after tonight, you will be able to do so. I am asking that you give me

00:56:50.520 another 15 or 16 hours. Allow me to go to work and come home, provide you with an email that will be

00:56:57.480 extremely crucial in the opening stages of this hiring process. There are some valuable pieces of

00:57:05.480 information that I have taken a screenshot of, and I'm going to send that to you via email. Trust and

00:57:13.000 believe it will be something that you will appreciate to the utmost. Keep in mind, we are trying to maximize

00:57:21.640 your opportunities. And I'm doing the very best that I can with the time that I'm given.

00:57:28.200 Today, when I get off at 11 o'clock, the first thing that I'm going to do is I'm going to finish

00:57:34.440 out that email. I'm going to send it to each of you. And as you progress through the stages,

00:57:40.280 refer to those images so that you will know which icons you should select.

00:57:47.400 Now, before I play the rest of this voicemail, it's worth pointing out that Snow is still employed

00:57:52.360 by the FAA as a supervisor. He's apparently handling air traffic operations in New York,

00:57:57.560 making over $160,000 a year. This is despite the fact that he left a trove of voicemails and text

00:58:02.680 messages and emails documenting his efforts to help non-white applicants cheat in the hiring

00:58:08.360 process at the FAA. The Department of Transportation actually investigated him back in 2016 when people

00:58:13.000 started complaining about what Snow was doing. There were several applicants who, to their credit,

00:58:17.160 refused the opportunity to cheat, even though it cost them the job. But the FAA didn't get rid of Snow

00:58:22.600 or punish him in any way. Quoting from the Inspector General's report, which was obtained by the

00:58:27.400 researcher Trace Woodgrains. Quote,

00:58:30.120 During the interview with the Office of Inspector General, Snow did not initially acknowledge his

00:58:34.040 participation in the teleconference. However, after being shown the text message string and

00:58:38.040 consulting with his counsel, Snow recalled organizing the teleconference. Snow acknowledged that he

00:58:43.160 explained to each person how they should answer. Close quote.

00:58:47.480 So he goes from having no idea about this whole scheme to admitting that he's running it.

00:58:52.440 And no one ever hauled him to prison for lying to federal investigators because, of course,

00:58:56.360 the federal government was on his side. Here's just a couple of relevant text messages that Snow was

00:59:01.640 sending, as documented by the Inspector General. And as you can see, he's complaining that some people

00:59:07.240 are advertising his services outside of racially segregated groups that he'd prefer to run.

00:59:12.760 And these are texts that apparently Snow completely forgot he sent. But he later admitted to investigators,

00:59:19.160 as if there was any doubt, that his intent was to benefit certain racial groups.

00:59:23.880 Here's how he phrased it. Quote,

00:59:25.080 Our organization wasn't for Caucasians. It wasn't for, you know, the white male. It wasn't for an alien 0.99

00:59:31.480 on Mars, you know. So he's definitely not trying to help the white male, who he compares to aliens from Mars.

00:59:39.240 But let's play the rest of his voicemail to the members of his race collective. Listen.

00:59:44.280 I have a good mind to send it to one of my HR representatives first and give them the opportunity

00:59:50.280 to sign off on it before you actually click it. But in the sake of time, I'm going to send it directly

00:59:58.840 to you because I'm about 99.99% sure that it's exactly how you need to answer each question

01:00:06.760 in order to get through the first phase. Stand by to stand by. Later on this evening,

01:00:11.240 when I get home, I'm going to finish those emails. And then I'm going to go back to planning for the

01:00:16.040 Black History Month program.

01:00:18.600 Great. So after he's done planning for Black History Month, he's going to get right back to 0.81

01:00:22.360 helping applicants cheat on the air traffic control test as long as they aren't white males. 0.83

01:00:26.120 At no point in this voicemail does Snow explain why exactly it's necessary to help certain

01:00:31.160 demographics pass this test, nor does he indicate at any point a degree of concern for the safety of

01:00:35.320 people flying on planes throughout the country. Instead, it's just assumed that he's looking out

01:00:39.880 for his own racial demographic and just assume that they won't be able to pass the test without 0.99

01:00:43.880 his help, which is probably a safe assumption since the test by design is completely arbitrary.

01:00:49.240 Of course, the whole reason that the Obama administration made the application process arbitrary is that

01:00:52.920 it's easier to cheat on an arbitrary test. And here's why. Let's assume that the FAA only takes

01:00:59.800 the highest scoring applicants. Now, if you make the test too easy, then everyone, including the

01:01:04.120 white applicants, will get the questions right. Even if you cheat on it as a non-white applicant, 0.98

01:01:08.680 you're just breaking even with all the white guys. But if the test questions are essentially random,

01:01:12.840 if the scoring system is arbitrary and basically subjective, then everyone's going to do poorly on it,

01:01:18.520 except the people with inside information. And that's the whole point of the fraud.

01:01:22.440 And this fraud didn't just affect the biographical questionnaire. It also affected the resume

01:01:26.120 screening portion of the application process. Take a look at this email that Shelton sent to his

01:01:30.760 brothers and sisters. He says, quote,

01:01:34.200 FAA human resources will scan in resumes and the computers will group resumes based on keywords.

01:01:40.200 These buzzwords will flag your resume, thereby giving you the advantage over thousands of resumes

01:01:44.600 that may flood the system. A list of these buzzwords are attached to this email. The list is being

01:01:49.320 provided to you through one of our members in HR. Then he adds, quote, I encourage you to keep a lid

01:01:54.200 on this attachment and focus on your resume. If the entire country caught wind of this attachment,

01:01:59.240 then how will your resume be distinguished from the others? Please keep this email confidential

01:02:03.240 between yourselves and the National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees.

01:02:07.960 In just case this wasn't explicit enough, this group put out a bunch of documents like this.

01:02:12.920 Here's another one. It reads, we are only concerned about African-Americans, women of every ethnic

01:02:18.200 background and other minorities. Please ensure that you share this information with no one identified

01:02:23.480 outside of that. This information is reserved for those classes of people we represent. This is to

01:02:29.320 minimize competition. Explicitly saying, we are trying to discriminate against white males, 0.70

01:02:36.440 because that's the only group, by the way, that's not in there. Do not help white males. This is 0.61

01:02:41.160 specifically designed to discriminate against them. Just announcing it for the whole world.

01:02:47.480 What's remarkable about this, aside from the brazen anti-white racial discrimination,

01:02:51.240 the ethnic warfare, the complete disregard for public safety, is that to this day, we still don't

01:02:56.520 have any accounting of the damage that's been done. As the Daily Mail reports, quote,

01:03:01.960 exactly how many applicants were able to capitalize on Snow's brazen offer to secure coveted controller

01:03:06.360 jobs responsible for the safety of millions of flyers remains a mystery. But one former National

01:03:11.160 Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees member, Matthew Douglas, told DailyMail.com,

01:03:15.800 I know several people who cheated, and I know several people who are controlling planes as we speak.

01:03:21.880 Now, that's a sobering statement, especially as it comes just weeks after one of the deadliest

01:03:26.680 midair collisions in American history. In many cases, competent air traffic controllers are the only

01:03:31.720 thing preventing these kinds of collisions from happening. Consider this incident from just over

01:03:36.120 a week ago at Phoenix Airport. This didn't get much attention, but it's genuinely amazing footage.

01:03:41.480 A Southwest Airlines plane flies directly towards an American Airlines jet on a collision course,

01:03:47.640 and as controllers try to redirect the Southwest plane, they get no response because the Southwest

01:03:52.520 plane is on the wrong frequency. Watch.

01:03:54.440 On the left side.

01:03:59.160 American 3, stop the list, 36-0-6, turn left immediately, heading 280.

01:04:02.440 American 279, cancel approach, turn right, heading 360. Traffic alert, traffic off to

01:04:07.400 the left north on 73 at 4000.

01:04:11.240 Awebs on the travel order rival at 3000 from American at 2239.

01:04:15.480 36-0-6 turn left immediately, heading 240. Traffic alert 1 o'clock, 1 mile, turning north on

01:04:20.440 4000, American airbus 321.

01:04:22.920 Southwest 3606, Phoenix Air.

01:04:24.980 American 2789 climb, maintain 5,000 immediately.

01:04:27.560 Turn right heading 360.

01:04:29.460 And approach, all right, power, Southwest 3606.

01:04:32.240 Can I get a frequency for approach?

01:04:34.680 Southwest 3606.

01:04:36.400 Southwest 3606, you're not able to reach them on 19-2.

01:04:39.980 I'll switch.

01:04:42.260 Now, in this case, the controllers reacted quickly.

01:04:44.680 After the Southwest jet stopped responding,

01:04:46.740 they told the American Airlines plane to abort its landing and pull up.

01:04:50.220 Almost certainly, the controllers in the tower saved a lot of lives.

01:04:53.360 If they hadn't been competent, if they'd cheated on their entrance exams,

01:04:56.880 then the outcome could have been very different.

01:04:59.100 And very soon, we'll probably see an outcome like that.

01:05:01.260 That's because close calls like this happen on average every week, if not more often.

01:05:05.600 And the voicemail that the Daily Mail just unearthed is obviously just the tip of the iceberg.

01:05:10.200 The DEI scam was running in the airline industry for years before there was any serious pushback.

01:05:15.060 And even now, many of these people are still working at the FAA.

01:05:18.680 Which needs to change and needs to change immediately.

01:05:20.740 Retest all the controllers, if necessary.

01:05:24.700 Review how every controller was hired, which is something that the White House has already suggested is in progress.

01:05:30.300 And at a minimum, get rid of the ringleaders of this cheating ring who are somehow still working in the industry.

01:05:35.740 Those are the tangible, productive steps we can take.

01:05:39.580 We can either get them done now, or we can take them after yet another aviation disaster happens.

01:05:45.500 Either way, it's clear that unless we want to end up with an aviation system on par with Pakistan's, 0.97

01:05:52.200 these are the steps that we need to take as quickly as possible before many more people lose their lives.

01:05:57.020 And that is why DEI in the airline industry is, once again, today, cancelled.

01:06:03.640 That'll do it for the show today and this week.

01:06:05.260 Have a great weekend.

01:06:06.100 Talk to you on Monday.

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The Matt Walsh Show - March 14, 2025

Ep. 1555 - Michelle Obama And Dylan Mulvaney Both FLOP In The Same Week

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