The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1561 - Paid-Off “Conservatives” Are Fighting For Your Right To Use Food Stamps For Soda

00:00:00.000 Hey, The Matt Walsh Show. The Trump administration wants to ban people from using food stamps on

00:00:03.900 junk food. This is obviously the correct position, and yet a bunch of conservative

00:00:07.200 influencers mysteriously and suddenly came out against it over the weekend.

00:00:11.580 It's a bizarre story we'll discuss. Also, Snow White predictably bombs the box office.

00:00:15.380 RFK Jr. wants to ban cell phones from schools. Only question is, why isn't that already the

00:00:19.940 policy in every school in the country? And more and more people on the left are claiming that

00:00:23.560 the 2024 election was stolen. What evidence do they have to support that claim? Well,

00:00:27.920 none at all. We'll talk about all that and more today on The Matt Walsh Show.

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00:01:50.600 AmericanFinancing.net slash Walsh. It's not an earth-shattering revelation to say that the

00:01:56.560 modern left is far more concerned with dogma and orthodoxy than any kind of consistency. They are

00:02:01.960 collective in every sense. Whatever they're required to believe at any given moment, they'll

00:02:07.200 believe it without any dissent or questioning whatsoever, even if it completely contradicts

00:02:11.900 what they believed five seconds ago. We've seen this happen a million times in recent years on

00:02:15.460 everything from Russia to Elon Musk to Donald Trump himself. This can be an effective strategy

00:02:21.060 up to a point. Mob mentality is a powerful thing. But as we saw in the last election,

00:02:25.440 there comes a moment when relentless orthodoxy simply goes too far. When every Democrat is saying,

00:02:30.620 for example, that there's no difference between men and women, reasonable people aren't just turned

00:02:36.100 off, they're disturbed at a fundamental level. This is maybe the most straightforward observation in

00:02:40.860 all of politics. And the lesson we should draw from it is obvious. We should not emulate these

00:02:45.900 people. Marching in lockstep and reciting canned talking points ultimately leads to incoherence and

00:02:51.780 weakness and defeat. And that should be uncontroversial and conventional wisdom on the right at the

00:02:58.840 moment. And that's why it's impossible to ignore the bizarre and really pretty embarrassing display

00:03:05.480 that took place on social media over the last few days. Several conservative influencers, seemingly

00:03:11.340 out of the blue, began posting carefully scripted messages on X about SNAP benefits, more commonly

00:03:17.460 known, of course, as food stamps. And all these messages were essentially identical, like they were

00:03:21.700 written by the same mysterious organization. Specifically, these conservative influencers complained

00:03:27.220 that there was an effort underway in Washington, D.C. to ban people from using food stamps to pay for

00:03:33.060 soda. And according to these influencers, poor people should be able to use their food stamps to buy

00:03:38.980 as much junk food as they want. Because why shouldn't taxpayers be forced to subsidize someone else's 0.91

00:03:45.720 sugar addiction? And here's what some of those posts look like. And as you can see, the post from the

00:03:52.200 account Clown World, which has 3 million followers, stated that, quote, the government wants to block soda

00:03:57.460 purchases for Americans on SNAP. Remember when NYC tried this and it completely backfired?

00:04:03.520 President Trump proudly had a Diet Coke button in the Oval Office. This is ridiculous government 0.97

00:04:08.460 overreach. Let the people decide for themselves, close quote. Several other accounts, including Ian

00:04:14.900 Miles Chong, Eric Doherty, Chad Prather, and others posted very similar messages all around the same

00:04:20.640 time. I'm not going to go through all of them, but the basic idea was the same. According to these

00:04:25.660 influencers, poor people should be able to use food stamps to buy whatever they want. And it's worth

00:04:32.860 noting that several of these messages invoked Donald Trump's tendency to drink Diet Coke,

00:04:37.640 even though it's not relevant in any way, since I think we can safely assume that Donald Trump is

00:04:43.260 not on food stamps. The post from Ian Miles Chong was especially remarkable because back in 2021,

00:04:50.160 he wrote, quote, Coca-Cola subsidizes food stamps. They want you to become fat and addicted to sugar.

00:04:56.160 But now, in 2025, Ian had exactly the opposite take. He wrote, quote,

00:05:02.440 a new war on soda has begun, targeting purchases made through SNAP. I don't believe it's the

00:05:07.260 government's role to decide what people should or shouldn't eat. And then he posted the same image

00:05:12.260 of Donald Trump drinking a Diet Coke that several other influencers also posted. Now, for the record,

00:05:17.380 not every major conservative figure on social media went along with this script after receiving some

00:05:22.000 kind of solicitation. Riley Gaines, for example, posted, quote, they offered to pay me to post a

00:05:27.700 big fat heck no. And before long, the investigative journalist Nick Sartor exposed the whole operation.

00:05:34.040 He posted documents that were sent out to a bunch of conservative influencers by a large PR firm,

00:05:39.460 which included the talking points about SNAP and soda that they were supposed to mention.

00:05:43.360 He reported, quote, influencers were given a couple templates to use by the firm Influencible,

00:05:48.540 with one of those templates specifically telling them to mention Trump's Diet Coke habit.

00:05:53.680 This was done to invoke an emotional response from loyal Trump supporters, making them feel as

00:05:58.540 if banning soda from SNAP would be anti-Trump. Now, at no point was it disclosed by any of these

00:06:05.100 people that they were repeating talking points that they had been handed, or did they at any point

00:06:11.300 tell us what exactly they may have received in exchange for posting these messages? And that's not

00:06:16.140 surprising. I mean, this kind of tactic is nothing new for the soda industry and their affiliated

00:06:20.040 middlemen. As the journalist Lee Fang wrote in his substack this week, quote,

00:06:24.380 when San Francisco proposed a tax on sweetened beverage in 2012, the industry paid protesters up

00:06:29.360 to $13 per hour to attend anti-tax rallies. The industry has also influenced the debate by funding

00:06:35.080 groups that might otherwise support restrictions. Save the Children, which previously endorsed taxes

00:06:40.440 on sweetened beverages to fight childhood obesity, abandoned this position while pursuing

00:06:44.280 significant grants from major soda producers, including a $5 million contribution from the

00:06:49.560 PepsiCo Foundation, close quote. So pretty clearly, something similar was going on here. And indeed,

00:06:56.600 after Sartor's reporting, some of these accounts posted apologies. Eric Doherty, for example, wrote,

00:07:02.200 yeah, that was dumb of me, massive egg on my face. Now that's a start, you know, but it doesn't 0.96

00:07:08.340 really address the magnitude of what happened here. And to be clear about this, no one should have any

00:07:13.820 problem with people getting paid to promote products or content. We have advertisers on the show. I

00:07:19.780 promote those products. We get paid for that. Everyone understands that. Our marketing team has

00:07:25.420 paid money to promote our content, including our films. All of that is standard. I mean, that's just

00:07:31.860 marketing, right? But it's a completely different matter to take money to push a policy proposal

00:07:37.740 or a political opinion without disclosing that you were compensated in some way for it,

00:07:43.700 or that you were handed talking points from a PR firm as part of a broader effort to manipulate

00:07:48.340 public opinion. In this case, it's especially egregious because these conservative influencers took a

00:07:55.380 position that stands in direct contrast to conservative principles, and in some cases,

00:08:01.200 in direct contradiction to what these influencers have already said on the same subject.

00:08:05.320 And that brings me to the actual issue itself and what the correct position is, which is that

00:08:12.600 we should not allow food stamps to be used for soda or junk food. Obviously. Okay, I should not have

00:08:21.920 money taken out of my wallet with the express purpose of creating more obesity. Okay, Mountain Dew,

00:08:29.880 for example, has 46 grams of sugar in a can. 46 grams of sugar in 12 ounces of liquid. That is more than

00:08:40.420 the amount of added sugar that you should be consuming in an entire day, in one can. The idea

00:08:47.340 that taxpayers should be subsidizing, that taxpayers should be forced to pay for those kinds of products 0.99

00:08:53.000 so that other people can consume them is just asinine. It's totally indefensible. 0.96

00:08:59.780 RFK Jr. and his Make America Healthy Again commission have made this point. Watch.

00:09:04.920 Under Robert Kennedy Jr.'s Make America Healthy Again plan, SNAP participants may soon be unable to

00:09:10.940 buy things like candy and soda using food stamps.

00:09:13.280 We shouldn't be spending 10% of the SNAP program on sugar drinks.

00:09:18.700 Supporters say it's a step forward for families on SNAP to make healthier choices.

00:09:22.860 We see the food stamps program as not fulfilling its purpose of providing this more nutritious diet

00:09:29.100 to enrollees. Anti-hunger groups, on the other hand, say it's actually a step forward to eliminating

00:09:33.980 SNAP altogether. It is a ruse. Any sort of harm to SNAP, anything that makes the program more difficult

00:09:41.500 or stigmatizes it, it's a cut because it's cutting off more people.

00:09:46.380 Now, you may have noticed that the activist at the end of this clip has no argument for why we

00:09:51.020 should allow food stamps to be used to buy candy and soda. She just says that as a general principle,

00:09:56.380 it's wrong to restrict food stamps for any reason. And this is a common trend that I noticed over the

00:10:00.860 weekend as some conservatives took the side of the soda companies. And one after another, they presented

00:10:07.340 non-sequiturs and non-arguments that didn't remotely answer the question. And the question is,

00:10:13.900 why should taxpayers have to pay other people to consume food and drinks that are grotesquely

00:10:21.260 unhealthy and which have absolutely no nutritional value at all? There are plenty of taxpayers who don't

00:10:28.780 buy soda for themselves for budgetary and health reasons. Why should they be forced to buy it for other

00:10:36.460 people? Okay, if you're saying, I don't want to buy soda because I can't afford to buy that kind of

00:10:40.620 stuff, and yet you have to pay for it so your neighbor can drink soda? Again, it's totally

00:10:47.660 indefensible. Former Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis had this to say. She wrote, quote, efforts to restrict SNAP

00:10:53.100 purchases take away the autonomy of the consumer to make their own decisions. This is another example of

00:10:58.140 government overreach. Now, this is totally backwards. The autonomy of the consumer is not the issue here.

00:11:05.320 People who use food stamps to buy soda and candy are using taxpayer money. This conflating using tax

00:11:13.780 money to buy soda with just buying soda in general, it's incredibly disingenuous. This is what everyone

00:11:19.700 is doing on that side. They're pretending that by banning people from using SNAP for soda, we are

00:11:26.880 banning people from buying soda. That's not what's happening. What we're saying is you can't take my money

00:11:32.940 and buy soda. You can buy it with your own money, but you can't take mine. If you are taking our money to buy

00:11:40.120 food, you have already sacrificed your autonomy. Taking our money to buy junk food is a slap in our faces as

00:11:47.720 taxpayers. If you want autonomy at the grocery store, don't go shopping with other people's money. You cannot take

00:11:56.700 my money and then claim autonomy for the same reason that my children cannot live in my house and eat

00:12:01.840 my food and then refuse to do chores on the grounds that they're autonomous individuals. Another argument

00:12:08.480 I kept seeing was that poor people don't have access to healthy food or they can't afford it.

00:12:14.060 And therefore, they're reduced to buying soda and candy out of necessity. I mean, this is like really what

00:12:19.080 people are saying. Out of necessity, they have to buy Skittles and Dr. Pepper out of necessity.

00:12:27.560 What I didn't hear from any of these people is one example, just one, one example of someone who has

00:12:34.360 access to soda but no access to healthier beverages like, say, I don't know, water. I would have been

00:12:43.580 thrilled with just one example of this phenomenon. Just one. Give me one specific example of a person

00:12:48.840 one person who's ever existed. Well, not ever existed because if you go back 200 years,

00:12:56.380 you might find people that have trouble finding healthy beverage options, I suppose, although

00:13:00.740 not that they would have had soda then either. So give me one example of someone who has access to

00:13:07.480 soda but they're not able to access any kind of healthier beverage, which means that I guess they

00:13:14.460 would, I'm trying to imagine what this would even entail. I guess they would have to have a

00:13:18.400 store. So they live in a community. There's only one store in this community and that store only has

00:13:26.160 soda. There's no, it doesn't have bottled water. It doesn't have milk. It doesn't have anything.

00:13:31.360 It only soda. And it's the only store, you know, that reachable from where you live.

00:13:38.860 That doesn't exist. So this example was never provided because it doesn't exist. It's complete

00:13:44.440 nonsense. In response to my post, someone named Corey Forrester, who says he's a columnist with

00:13:49.740 the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, provided his reasoning for why food stamps should cover soda

00:13:54.300 and candy. Here's what he wrote. He said, quote, quote, I can defend it. Poor people deserve a treat 1.00

00:14:00.140 every now and again. I thought I'd have to type more, but that was easy. Yes, according to columnist

00:14:06.240 Corey Forrester, poor people deserve a treat every now and again. So what he's saying is that taxpayers

00:14:13.300 should be required to give poor people treats. He is literally talking about the poor as if they're

00:14:21.340 dogs without any self-awareness whatsoever. You know, actually anyone who's ever been broke,

00:14:28.340 like I have, immediately recognizes this kind of patronizing rhetoric for what it is. It's insulting

00:14:33.940 and demeaning, even if it's delivered under the guise of compassion. When I had very little money,

00:14:39.000 there was not a single moment where I felt that I was entitled to someone else's money so that I

00:14:43.520 could buy some cookies or a bottle of Coke. That's because I understand that I was not a child and

00:14:49.740 the taxpayers are not my parents. It's not the responsibility to treat me to a root beer float

00:14:54.440 every once in a while. It's not how it works. But the account Diamond and Silk apparently disagrees.

00:15:00.000 Here's what that account wrote in response to one of my posts on this topic. Quote,

00:15:04.880 question, can anyone name a food slash soda sold on the grocery stores that doesn't have

00:15:09.880 junk in it? Even organic isn't truly organic. So why are a few items being singled out as junk when

00:15:15.440 junk slash chemicals slash pesticides, et cetera, are in foods that are purchased with food stamps?

00:15:20.060 Is this about being healthy or being a dictator? Close quote. Well, once again, yeah, if you're taking my

00:15:26.720 money, yes, I get to be a dictator. You're taking my money to go buy something? I get to be a dictator

00:15:31.820 about what you're spending it on. If you don't want that, once again, don't use my money. Use your own.

00:15:41.240 And this is one of the arguments that you see a lot from the soda lobby. They're basically saying

00:15:44.440 that it's impossible to define junk food and therefore we shouldn't restrict food stamps in

00:15:49.140 any way. Now, of course, there is some truth to the idea that as with any line drawing exercise,

00:15:54.480 there are going to be edge cases. But at the same time, there are obviously plenty of foods that

00:16:00.720 would not qualify as junk by any rational definition of the term. These people are acting

00:16:07.720 like we can't ban soda from the SNAP program without also banning apples and carrots. They're

00:16:15.240 suggesting that if we ban Mountain Dew Code Red and Monster Energy drinks, then we have no choice

00:16:20.860 but to ban water as well. And therefore, they're saying that we shouldn't implement any regulations

00:16:26.400 at all. You cannot ban one type of food from SNAP without banning all of them. There is no difference

00:16:33.960 between any type of food at all. All food is the same is what these people are actually arguing with

00:16:40.020 a straight face. This is the kind of frankly brain dead logic that has led to extraordinary amounts of

00:16:47.600 waste and fraud in the food stamp program. Because food stamp applicants aren't vetted carefully,

00:16:52.140 it's extremely easy for people to qualify for food stamps, even if they don't really need them.

00:16:55.880 That's why there's a big resale market for these food stamp cards. And by the same token,

00:16:59.860 there's a lot of people buying items with food stamps that they don't really need for themselves.

00:17:03.860 The Economic Policy Innovation Center reports, citing government data that, quote,

00:17:08.120 the food stamp program makes billions in improper payments each year. These improper payments

00:17:12.020 often include fraud, abuse, and waste, but are not always indicative of illegal activity.

00:17:16.220 The USDA has reported more than $45.75 billion of improper payments between fiscal year 2003

00:17:22.660 and fiscal year 2022. The reported improper payment rate was 11.5% in 2022.

00:17:32.240 Yes, more than 10% of food stamp payments are improper, according to government records.

00:17:37.800 Of course, that's almost certainly a vast undercount of the actual amount of waste that's occurring.

00:17:42.040 That shouldn't surprise us. Any government program that involves handing out free

00:17:45.980 money, meaning your money, is going to be abused to a comical degree. Any effort to curb that

00:17:52.840 abuse should be welcomed. Conservatives have understood this for a long time, but at the

00:17:58.500 moment, for reasons that are obviously very self-serving, some conservatives are pretending

00:18:02.000 otherwise. It's a useful reminder to remain skeptical of any kind of political pitch that you

00:18:07.020 see online, even if it's from somebody that you usually trust. It's also a good opportunity to

00:18:12.100 highlight that on the left, this kind of thing happens every day. I mean, they're given their

00:18:15.980 marching orders and they follow them no matter how absurd they might be. Even after what happened

00:18:21.000 this past week, this is still a pretty rare occurrence on the right. And when it does happen,

00:18:25.120 it's called out immediately. The moment that stops being true is the moment that the conservative

00:18:30.800 movement will falter, just as the left is now faltering. And that's why now that this whole debacle

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00:19:30.300 Okay, we'll go to the AP for the update that we all saw coming a mile away.

00:19:34.080 The Walt Disney Company's live-action controversy bedeviled Snow White opened in theaters with a

00:19:39.280 sleepy $43 million in ticket sales, according to studio estimates on Sunday. With a budget above

00:19:44.180 $250 million, Snow White had set out with higher ambitions, particularly since it returns Disney to

00:19:49.480 its very origins. The 1937 original Snow White and Seven Doors was the company's first animated feature

00:19:53.800 and paid for its Burbank studio lot. But that's where it falls. So $43 million on a budget of $250

00:20:02.140 million. And keep in mind, as you always have to keep in mind with these kinds of numbers,

00:20:06.920 that the production budget is not anywhere close to the full budget of the film. There's also a

00:20:12.860 marketing budget, which is often the same as the production budget, if not more. Which means that

00:20:18.160 the total amount that Disney probably spent on this Snow White adaptation was probably closer to half

00:20:26.740 a billion dollars. Half a billion dollars for a movie. For a Snow White movie, of all things.

00:20:35.580 So let's just start with this. There is no reason why Snow White needs to cost half a billion dollars.

00:20:43.640 Let's just take the production budget, you know, and leave the marketing out of it. There's no reason

00:20:50.120 why Snow White needs to cost $250 million. You should be able to make Snow White for less than $100

00:20:59.380 million. Much less, actually. Like, a lot less. What are you spending the money on? You didn't hire a

00:21:08.460 big-name actress in the lead, right? Nobody knows who the hell Rachel Zegler is. She had essentially

00:21:13.500 zero name recognition before this movie. Now she has a lot of name recognition, but for all the

00:21:18.380 wrong reasons, people know her name because they know her as that annoying, loud-mouthed feminist 1.00

00:21:25.960 actress who worked hard for two years to tank her own movie. So I don't think they spent a lot of

00:21:33.140 money on her. Gal Gadot is a bigger name, even though she's a really bad actress. I mean, a really bad 1.00

00:21:37.640 actress. But I don't think they, you know, it's not like they gave her $50 million. So what, where's

00:21:45.800 the money going? The special effects aren't good. You can tell that just from the preview. So you're

00:21:52.820 not spending a lot of money on the actors. The special effects are trash. What, where's the money 0.98

00:22:01.060 going? How is it, what are you spending it on? And you only need a handful of sets for

00:22:05.940 this film. You know, maybe they probably used a lot more than a handful, which is part of

00:22:09.440 the problem here. But all you actually needed was the castle, right, where the evil queen

00:22:15.720 lives, the seven dwarves' house, the woods. And what else? Maybe the mine where the dwarves 0.87

00:22:24.080 are whistling while they work, but that's all you needed. You could have made this thing

00:22:28.500 for $20 million. You could have made it for $15 million. You know, people talk about how the

00:22:34.300 movie industry is dying and movies don't make any money anymore, which is true. But when you're just

00:22:40.540 lighting pallets of cash on fire, you're going to lose money. This movie could have easily been

00:22:47.820 cheap enough that they would have earned back their production budget and then some,

00:22:51.880 even with this mediocre opening weekend. $43 million for an opening weekend is terrible. It's

00:23:00.380 terrible for a widely released high-budget Disney film. Terrible for that. But it should have been

00:23:05.980 more than enough to make your money back. Instead, it's nowhere close to it. And they definitely are not

00:23:11.820 going to make their money back because, you know, part of making movies now is this profligate,

00:23:17.320 obscene, gratuitous waste of money. And then there's the movie itself, which by all accounts

00:23:24.340 is terrible. It was destined to be terrible. You know, we've been through all the problems with it.

00:23:29.140 This is an uber-woke feminist girl boss reimagining of one of the most cherished films and stories of all 1.00

00:23:35.960 time. There's no way that it wasn't going to be awful. There is no non-awful version of that.

00:23:42.200 It's like if you told me, if you told me they were going to make an all-female remake of The 0.99

00:23:48.640 Godfather with, you know, I don't know, Melissa McCarthy in Marlon Brando's role,

00:23:57.160 I don't need to see the movie. There's a 100% chance that it's terrible. It's 100%. Total logical

00:24:02.880 certainty that it's bad. And it's the same kind of thing here. You know, you have no respect for the

00:24:09.220 source material. You hate the original story. You're stripping it of the magic and romance and

00:24:14.220 everything that made it connect with people for many decades. So, of course, it's going to be

00:24:17.220 terrible. But, you know, leaving aside the woke PC angle, because we've covered that, it's been

00:24:25.180 talked about ad nauseum. Even if they actually tried to respect and adhere to the original film,

00:24:31.380 it would still be very bad. And it would still probably underperform.

00:24:35.300 And that's because these live-action remakes are soulless and pointless in their conception.

00:24:43.060 There is no reason for them to exist. There is no reason for anyone to see them.

00:24:48.040 These remakes seem to think that they exist in some kind of alternate universe where the original

00:24:54.320 films have been lost to the sands of time. And so they have to kind of do the film over again from

00:25:02.660 memory because the original films are not accessible. But that's not the case. You can go

00:25:09.520 watch the original films right now. They're just as accessible as the remakes. So why in the world

00:25:15.340 would you have any desire to watch a shot-for-shot retelling of the thing when you can just watch the

00:25:24.380 thing? And here's the not-so-secret secret about these live-action Disney remakes. And I say this as a

00:25:31.980 parent that kids don't even like them. Now, my kids, we were not going to take our kids to see

00:25:39.240 this feminist Snow White thing. That was not going to happen. But our kids have seen a few of the 1.00

00:25:45.940 live-action remakes. Kids are bored by them. Kids prefer the original. Because of course they do.

00:25:53.140 The originals have captivated audiences for generations. The original Snow White was made 80

00:25:57.920 years ago. One of the most popular movies ever made. And it's that way for a reason. So these remakes

00:26:06.000 are either they're going to be color by numbers, shot-for-shot retreads, or they're going to be

00:26:11.860 mostly that along with a politically motivated ideological updating of some of the themes that

00:26:20.260 liberal Hollywood finds problematic. And in either case, there is no actual storytelling going on here.

00:26:26.460 There's no art. This is not art. This is tracing. You're tracing something.

00:26:34.440 It's like, imagine you go to an art museum, and the Mona Lisa is in this art museum.

00:26:45.080 But in the next room, there's a tracing of the Mona Lisa. Who would want to see the tracing?

00:26:52.480 Why would there be zero people in that room? There's no reason for any—the actual thing is here.

00:26:58.560 Why would I want to see what you traced of it? It's not even like your take on it, or you were

00:27:03.220 inspired by the Mona Lisa and you painted something else. It's just your attempt to recreate the thing

00:27:08.740 that I can just look at the thing. It's right there. So—and even worse, it's actually worse than that.

00:27:16.460 The analogy is worse, because what it is, is it's somebody tracing the Mona Lisa,

00:27:21.900 but then making a couple of alterations to make it more appealing. It's like if someone took the

00:27:28.620 Mona Lisa and then said, well, you know, the enigmatic look on her face is upsetting to modern

00:27:35.100 audiences. They want to see more positivity. And so we're going to put a huge grin on her face instead.

00:27:41.040 Okay, so now it's a tracing of the original, except that you've totally misunderstood the point

00:27:50.680 of the thing that you're tracing and ruined it at the same time. So there's just—there's just no

00:27:58.240 reason for it. Okay, RFK Jr. is discussing the possibility of banning cell phones for kids in

00:28:04.440 school. And he was on Fox & Friends a couple days ago talking about it. Let's play that clip.

00:28:11.040 There are many other countries in the world that have banned cell phones in our schools. There's

00:28:15.840 now 19 states with these restrictions. I applaud Governor Glenn Youngkin of Virginia, and I asked

00:28:22.920 him to take me out to one of the schools that was the first one to adopt his executive order,

00:28:28.200 which was the Louisa County High School. And that school is one of the top-performing

00:28:34.320 schools in the state. I think it is the top-performing school in the state.

00:28:38.300 And I wanted to see—I wanted to talk to parents and the students and the teachers about what

00:28:44.300 they felt about the cell phone ban. And I was shocked by how supportive they were, particularly

00:28:49.480 the students. I polled students in a bunch of classrooms and in the cafeteria, and only

00:28:55.260 one of them said he didn't like the ban. The other one said that it helped them increase

00:29:02.300 their socialization and it helped them do better homework. And the parents were very happy because

00:29:09.900 the discipline of not having a cell phone at school also meant that it was easier to teach

00:29:15.180 your kids not to use it when they were driving their car and to do their homework at home without

00:29:21.020 referencing their cell phones all the time. Cell phones also produce electric magnetic

00:29:27.020 radiation, which has been shown to do neurological damage to kids when it's around them all day.

00:29:35.740 Okay, so things kind of veer off to the left field towards the end there. We're talking about the

00:29:40.620 electromagnetic radiation causing neurological damage. I don't think there's any

00:29:45.100 solid proof of that. I mean, if there was, then why would we be talking about banning them just

00:29:50.860 in schools? Like, we should be having a much larger conversation if these things have electromagnetic

00:29:55.660 radiation that are damaging our brains. Banning them just in school is like, why is that the discussion?

00:30:06.220 And maybe that's true, but I'm not saying that it's—to me, it seems quite possible

00:30:10.860 that we've got these things to our faces all day long that are just shooting radiation directly

00:30:16.380 into our brains. I don't know. Maybe that's the case. I'm not sure that it's actually been proven.

00:30:21.660 And like I said, if it has, then we need to be—we need to be having a much larger conversation

00:30:26.380 about cell phones. In any case, we don't need to get into electromagnetic magnetic radiation to

00:30:32.300 justify a cell phone ban in school. Obviously, they should be banned, clearly. There is no upside to

00:30:39.900 having kids walking around school and sitting in class with smartphones. It is insane that it's

00:30:45.500 allowed anywhere. It's just crazy that it isn't already banned in every school in the country.

00:30:55.420 Why should it be banned? Well, again, for every reason, for all the reasons, any reason you can—I mean,

00:31:01.340 the phones are a huge distraction. That's the big one. They make educating kids basically

00:31:06.620 impossible. Teachers have to compete with the phones, which is just not possible to do.

00:31:12.300 Chronic smartphone use among children also clearly damages their—it damages their minds in ways

00:31:19.020 unrelated to radiation. It makes them much more easily distracted, makes them more dependent on

00:31:25.900 constant stimulation. It shortens their attention spans. It exposes them to every kind of inappropriate

00:31:31.420 image or video or piece of content in existence. Cell phone use among children has been linked to

00:31:36.300 depression and anxiety, because of course it has. There's plenty of evidence that it impacts your

00:31:43.260 memory, your ability to retain information, and on and on and on. So there is only downside to

00:31:50.060 letting kids have smartphones in school. There's just—there's no upside. What's the upside? So why is it

00:31:56.140 allowed anywhere? Why aren't they all banned in every school, and why hasn't that been the case for 15

00:32:02.540 years? This is not an issue of constitutional rights. I hope I don't have to explain that kids

00:32:08.300 don't have a constitutional right to bring a smartphone into a government school building. So it's not a

00:32:14.540 freedom thing, so why haven't they already been banned? Well, it mostly comes down to the fact that, you know,

00:32:23.660 I'm sorry to say that parents are insane on this—on the issue of cell phones and their kids. Many parents are just

00:32:33.580 crazy when it comes to this topic. I don't know how else to put it, but you've got parents giving their kids

00:32:41.820 smartphones at the age of seven and letting them bring them to school. You're in—you are a crazy 1.00

00:32:48.140 person. That's an insane thing to do. It can only harm your kid. It can only cause problems. It cannot 1.00

00:32:54.540 help in any way whatsoever. Why are you doing that? But yet, this is what plenty of parents do. It's why

00:33:01.980 it's an issue. Talk to any teacher. They'll tell you this. You know, they're constantly having to

00:33:09.540 compete with the phones. It's not possible. You got—it's already hard enough. You got—you have 30

00:33:12.980 kids in a classroom trying to hold their attention for 45 minutes while you teach them about geography

00:33:18.260 or reading or whatever. But to do that, when they've all got—they're all staring at their phones, like,

00:33:24.240 it's—how do you do it? You can't do it. So if there was 100% agreement among parents that cell phones

00:33:32.900 should not be in school, then bans would already be in place everywhere. And they would be banned,

00:33:40.100 and the bans would be enforced by the parents at home. But that isn't happening. In fact, there was a

00:33:48.060 poll several months ago that found that 68% of adults support a ban on cell phones in the classroom

00:33:54.480 specifically, while 36% support a ban on cell phones in the school period. So you got 36% that

00:34:02.640 say cell phones should not be allowed to be brought into the school. And then you've got—but only 36%

00:34:09.240 say that. And then 68% say, well, you shouldn't be allowed to have them in the classroom, but you

00:34:14.500 could still have them at school. So let's break this down. 68% support a ban on cell phones in the

00:34:21.860 classroom. That's a wide majority. Great. But that means that 32% of adults don't support a ban on

00:34:34.120 cell phones in the classroom. They actually think that cell phones should—kids should be allowed to

00:34:43.460 have their cell phones on them in the classroom. 32% of adults think that. Why? Why? You actually

00:34:53.320 want that? You want your kid to be sitting there with a cell phone in his hand while he's in class?

00:34:59.360 Why do you want that? What—how do you think that's helping your child? What good do you think is being

00:35:07.560 done here? But the bigger issue is that over 60% of adults don't want a full ban on smartphones in

00:35:16.860 school. You know, over 60% think that kids should be able to bring phones into the school at least.

00:35:26.840 And again, it's just—it's nuts. I can't—I can't—I can't understand. I can't understand—I can't

00:35:34.580 understand buying your nine-year-old a cell phone in the first place and especially allowing him to—he's

00:35:40.220 going to school. Hey, do you have your—you have your—yeah, do you have your—your portable

00:35:46.260 distraction device? Make sure you have it with you when you go to school, junior. What?

00:35:54.320 Now, I know I'm being a little bit intentionally obtuse here. I think that most parents who allow

00:35:59.720 this, it's not because they think it's good. It's because they just lack the ability to stand up

00:36:07.780 to their kids on this topic. And I think that what a lot of parents would say to justify it is they

00:36:16.400 would say, well, I need to be able to get in touch with my kids. I need to be able to stay in contact

00:36:20.180 with them. Look, first of all, as I've said a million times, if that's really all you're concerned

00:36:26.640 about, it's just that you want to be able to get in touch with your kid in case of an emergency,

00:36:30.980 you can buy him a cell phone that has no internet capability whatsoever, a dumb phone, not a

00:36:36.800 smartphone. They do sell those. It's not hard to get them. You can order them on Amazon. You can go to,

00:36:41.780 you know, most cell phone stores still—but you can—those are not hard to find. They're not expensive.

00:36:47.660 Um, and you can even program that only—that this phone can only receive calls from certain numbers

00:36:56.420 and can only call certain numbers. So if all you're concerned about is just that your kid

00:37:03.200 has an ability to reach you in case of emergency, then give him a dumb phone with no internet connection 0.96

00:37:09.320 that can only call you or be called by you. And 9-1-1, you know, let's say.

00:37:18.260 So that clears up that concern. But that's not what parents are doing.

00:37:25.760 Like, parents—if that's all that kids had in school, it wouldn't even be an issue.

00:37:30.340 It would basically be a non-issue. But no, parents are saying,

00:37:34.920 oh, I need to be able to get a hold of my child. So I'm going to give him a cell phone

00:37:38.960 with full internet capabilities where he can access anything on the internet and call anybody,

00:37:46.780 text anybody, receive calls from anybody. Just so that I am able to contact my child,

00:37:54.260 I need to make sure that my child has a device that gives him direct access to the whole world

00:37:59.580 in school. So it doesn't make any sense. And that argument just doesn't hold up. And so, again,

00:38:09.340 the real reason why parents do this is because they don't want their kid to feel left out.

00:38:17.520 God forbid. God forbid that all of your kid's friends turn into screen-addicted zombies and your

00:38:25.160 kid doesn't. God forbid that your kid is left out because he's not a zombie. Wouldn't want that.

00:38:33.780 You know, when I was growing up, the classic thing we heard from our parents all the time,

00:38:37.600 you know, remember the classic, classic thing was, well, just because your friends are jumping

00:38:44.000 off a bridge doesn't mean you would too. And of course, that never really worked because,

00:38:48.720 you know, assuming the bridge is not too high and there's water down below, actually, if, you know,

00:38:56.080 as a, like, as a teenage boy, if all my friends are jumping off a bridge and that, like, I definitely

00:38:59.840 would. That sounds like a lot of fun. So that, that never worked. But the, the idea was pretty

00:39:06.160 solid that like, well, just because all your friends are doing something really harmful, it doesn't mean

00:39:10.240 you should do it too. But now it's like parents are, have, have, are saying the opposite. The

00:39:16.320 parents are saying to their kids, well, uh, you know, if all your friends are damaging their brains,

00:39:21.380 uh, you, you need to do the same. You don't want to be left out as the only non-brain damaged person.

00:39:30.460 It's crazy. It's just crazy. Speaking of brain damaged people, here's Rosie O'Donnell, 1.00

00:39:36.060 who I believe has fled the country to escape Donald Trump. And, uh, here she is on British

00:39:40.500 TV implying that the election was stolen. Listen. You know, a lot of people did vote for him. Yes.

00:39:47.140 Um, do you accept their, their right to do that and their opinion of him? Well, I respect their

00:39:53.980 right to do that. I question why the first time in American history, a president has won every swing

00:40:00.000 state and is also best friends. And his largest donor was a man who owns and runs the internet.

00:40:07.920 So I would hope that that would be investigated and that we would see whether or not it was an

00:40:12.640 anomaly or something else that happened on election night in America when Kamala Harris was filling up

00:40:18.960 stadiums with people who supported her. And Donald Trump was not able to do that. Um,

00:40:24.640 um, so it, it, it's curious to me and as an American and a believer in democracy, I would hope

00:40:31.600 that we would be able to, uh, look at all of the reasons why this happened in our country.

00:40:40.240 Uh, so there it is. You knew that was coming. Um, I mean, we've already heard a little bit of this

00:40:45.560 kind of thing, but this is Rosie O'Donnell directly implying the election was stolen.

00:40:48.600 She has no evidence. Obviously she doesn't even have a theory of the case. Like there's no theory

00:40:53.240 of the case here as to how that might've happened. Even if Trump wanted to rig the election in his

00:40:58.960 favor, how would he have done that? The entire system was against him. The entire system was

00:41:03.960 trying to put him in prison. So, um, all the people who would need to be involved in rigging the

00:41:08.580 process hate him. So how does that work? All Rosie could say is that Trump is friends with the guy

00:41:16.060 who owns and runs the internet. I have no idea what that means. I guess she imagines that the

00:41:22.600 internet is like the matrix and there's a, what was it? You know, there's like the guy in the white

00:41:28.640 room surrounded by screens who just, who, who, what was that guy's name in the matrix? That, uh,

00:41:35.880 wasn't it the architect or something like that? Anyway, that that's what she thinks. That's how she

00:41:39.940 thinks the internet works. And she thinks that Elon Musk is that guy. But really this is, you know,

00:41:47.080 this is, this is the, the, um, the leftist claim of a stolen election is a great example of a fallacy

00:41:54.660 called, um, an argument from incredulity. And this is a phrase that I think originally was coined by

00:42:00.300 Richard Dawkins. I could be wrong, but it's a term often used by atheists in reference to theists.

00:42:05.840 It's falsely, incorrectly used, but the argument for incredulity is a fallacy where you argue that

00:42:12.400 something can't be true simply because you can't imagine how it could be true. Something that

00:42:19.840 contradicts your own personal experience must then be false. And again, atheists say this about 0.90

00:42:25.860 theists, but really I would argue that the term applies much more to them, uh, than it does to us.

00:42:30.820 But that is what we're seeing here. Rosie O'Donnell and a lot of leftists are like this. They can't

00:42:36.800 personally imagine how it could possibly be that Trump won. It contradicts their own experience

00:42:45.260 so much because they live in a bubble where everybody around them, I mean, if you're Rosie

00:42:50.960 O'Donnell, God forbid, not that I'd wish that fate on anybody, but if you're Rosie O'Donnell,

00:42:55.040 you, you live in a world where you never even, you never physically come in contact with anyone

00:43:03.540 who doesn't hate Donald Trump down to the very depths of their being. And so a lot of leftists,

00:43:10.980 that's the world they live in. And that's why they assume they just, they really assume that he'd

00:43:15.340 probably lose all 50 states. Um, and, uh, because to them, he's the most despised man in history.

00:43:25.640 And, uh, and yet he won, he won bigly and they can't, they just can't, uh, can't wrap their minds

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00:45:02.340 For our daily cancellation today, I have to talk about something very personal. I prefer not to air my

00:45:07.140 dirty laundry in public, but in this case, the laundry must be aired. The laundry is too soiled

00:45:11.940 and smelly to keep private. In fact, the laundry smells like a goat. The laundry is a goat. 0.96

00:45:17.500 So let me back up for a moment. If you've listened to this show over the years, then you are aware

00:45:22.920 of a certain plight that I have been dealing with in my personal life. The plight is that I have a wife

00:45:28.420 and now also children who see my glorious beard and they think, perhaps understandably,

00:45:33.780 that I must be the biblical Noah and that our home is therefore Noah's ark. And so we must accumulate

00:45:40.960 all of the animal species on earth and bring them into our home or onto our property. And I've tried

00:45:47.000 to explain to them very nicely many times that I am not actually Noah and our home is not an ark. And

00:45:52.840 God has already promised not to flood the earth a second time. So we don't need to adopt every type of 0.99

00:45:57.260 animal that exists on the planet. All the animals will be fine living wherever they currently live.

00:46:02.080 They don't need to live with us. But this explanation has fallen on deaf ears as my wife

00:46:06.920 and children have continued to lobby for dogs and cats and rabbits and chickens and turtles and birds

00:46:13.040 and gerbils and ponies and pigs and three-toed sloths and whatever the hell other creatures they feel we

00:46:18.620 need to become roommates with for some reason. And I have relented on some of those animals, but

00:46:23.700 certainly not all. If it were not for me, if it were not for me standing in the gap saying,

00:46:30.300 no, we would be one of those animal hoarder homes that you hear about on the news after the health

00:46:34.260 department comes and finds the floors covered in 14 feet of animal feces and rats the size of

00:46:39.440 poodles running around and they have to drag the crazy guy out while he screams that the rats are

00:46:43.840 his friends. Please don't hurt them. That would literally be us if not for me. The point is I have a

00:46:49.960 family of animal lovers and I'm not sure how this happened. I am famously not much of an animal lover

00:46:55.720 myself. And yet my wife and kids are like Disney characters running through the forest,

00:47:01.540 frolicking and dancing while the woodland creatures sing to them and a squirrel plays the tambourine

00:47:06.360 or whatever. And out of all the animals on earth, for some baffling reason, my wife has always had a 0.50

00:47:13.440 particular fascination with goats. She has wanted a goat for many years. I don't understand why anybody

00:47:19.420 would want a goat. I don't see the appeal of goats unless they're diced into small pieces and served 0.95

00:47:25.360 with a spicy curry sauce. As living animals, goats are not very appealing. They're loud. They smell.

00:47:32.100 They have weird demon eyes. There's a reason Satanists worship goats. Think about it. But for 0.66

00:47:40.180 years, my wife has lobbied for a goat. For years, I have said no. I held the line. I was firm. But the

00:47:47.940 pressure campaign went on, unrelenting. And she continued with her goat propaganda. She kept 1.00

00:47:52.900 developing and honing her pro-goat talking points. She would constantly send me videos of baby goats.

00:47:59.620 She would say, oh, isn't this goat so cute? And I would say, no, the goat is a goat. That's what the goat

00:48:05.780 is. She would bring goat literature into the house. She would say, here, look at this goat brochure. Did you

00:48:11.460 know that if you have a goat, you never have to mow the lawn again? They eat all the grass. And I would say,

00:48:16.440 no, thank you. I prefer a lawnmower over a goat. Lawnmowers don't poop. They aren't living things we

00:48:22.640 have to take care of. You don't have to build a pen for a lawnmower. You don't have to give it food.

00:48:27.260 You don't have to take it to the vet. So I had an answer for every argument. But then this past

00:48:33.400 weekend, my wife played her final card. She took it all the way. She called in a nuclear strike. 1.00

00:48:40.360 And she recruited our five-year-old daughter to come plead for the goat. Now, my wife knows that

00:48:46.500 I have a lot of trouble saying no to our five-year-old daughter. Usually, I'm very good

00:48:52.280 at saying no most of the time. I say no all the time to everybody. I am an expert at saying no. I

00:48:58.000 am a black belt in no. It is my greatest skill is saying no. But I'm also a dad. And she's my

00:49:05.020 youngest daughter. Every dad understands this. It's our Achilles heel. I mean, it's just, it is

00:49:11.060 how it is. It's why very often one of my sons will come and ask for something like a snack.

00:49:16.460 And they'll say, Dad, can I have a snack? I'll say no. Then one of my other sons will come,

00:49:20.160 can I have a snack? And I'll say no. And then my five-year-old will come and ask for a snack.

00:49:24.420 And I'll say, sure, sweetie, would you like candy, ice cream? How about candy and an ice cream?

00:49:28.360 How about $50 also? Would you like, here you go. Now, it's not fair, but that's just the way it works.

00:49:35.020 So my daughter came to me and she said, these were her exact words. She said,

00:49:40.900 Daddy, all I've ever wanted in my whole life is a goat. Now, I know that's not true. She has wanted

00:49:49.040 way more things than just a goat, but it got to me, I have to admit. So my defenses had already

00:49:56.000 been weakened after years of intense pressure from the pro-goat lobby in my house. And then my wife

00:50:02.220 called in her closer in the form of our five-year-old and all of these factors together

00:50:05.880 added up to a weight that I could no longer carry. I folded. And so as you can see, here I am holding

00:50:11.980 our new goat. You can see the joy radiating from my face. The goat's name, for some reason, is Waffles.

00:50:21.120 It doesn't even look like a Waffles. Waffles have nothing to do with goats, except for the fact that

00:50:25.340 they're both edible. But nobody looks at a goat and thinks about Waffles. So the name makes no sense.

00:50:31.280 And it's a moot point anyway. I will not call it Waffles. I will not call anything Waffles,

00:50:36.460 except for actual Waffles. I will only ever call this goat, Goat. The goat's name is Goat. 0.92

00:50:42.660 I will not humanize the goat by addressing it by name, especially not that name.

00:50:46.020 So now we have a goat. Why do we have a goat? What are we going to do with this goat?

00:50:53.720 What the hell purpose does it serve? These questions have not been answered.

00:50:58.620 Maybe we'll become full-time goat farmers. That appears to be my wife's great ambition in life. 1.00

00:51:05.060 We have now had this goat for two days. The goat has not made itself useful at all.

00:51:11.140 At all. It mostly just walks around and pees and poops. That's all it does. And it screams.

00:51:19.180 Now, I thought that goat screaming was like an internet meme. No, they actually do scream. 0.76

00:51:26.620 It's a weird, it sounds human. It's like a weird, primal, almost humanoid scream.

00:51:33.880 Last night, I'm sitting on my porch, trying to smoke a cigar, read a book. 0.99

00:51:39.020 I kept hearing this damn loud-mouthed goat screaming in the darkness. Very loud. 1.00

00:51:47.420 And they technically call it bleeding, but that's not a bleat. I've heard bleats. A bleat is much

00:51:52.020 quieter, much more mellow, more dignified. This is a shriek. This is a screech, a yell.

00:51:59.900 As if there wasn't already enough noise in our house with six kids, now I have a goat yelling at me, too.

00:52:04.360 And it's rude. It's a very rude sound. It's very presumptuous. This goat, it's a jerk. I can tell

00:52:10.320 it's a jerk. Now, when I talked to my wife about the noise pollution problem, she said that we need 0.99

00:52:15.120 to be patient with waffles. It's not waffles' fault that he's making noise. I said, stop calling him

00:52:19.160 waffles. Just call him goat. Secondly, he's too loud. And then she said that, well, the goat is calling

00:52:24.640 for other goats. So the best way to solve the problem is to get a second goat. And that way,

00:52:30.000 the goat will have a little goat friend. Goats are herd animals, she said. And I said, yes,

00:52:34.700 they obviously are herd animals. I've heard him a lot since he got here. He doesn't shut up.

00:52:39.180 And so anyway, now we're getting a second goat. I actually, I bought the argument about how there

00:52:46.120 will be less goat noise if we have more goats. I know that can't possibly be true, but I bought it.

00:52:54.600 And you know what's even worse? This is what's even worse.

00:52:56.400 She sort of made me feel sorry for the goat. She said the goat is lonely and calling for a friend.

00:53:04.980 And I felt inside my dark, cavernous soul a brief flicker of actual empathy for this damn stupid, 1.00

00:53:12.480 ugly goat. I was actually mildly and momentarily concerned about the goat's mental health. 1.00

00:53:18.980 See, this is my problem. My wife knows something about me that nobody else on earth knows because

00:53:22.220 it's a very closely guarded secret, which is that I do have emotions, sort of. And she made me feel

00:53:27.740 like emotions about this freaking goat. So we went from zero goats to two in the span of two days. 0.97

00:53:37.120 The exponential growth rate of the goat population on our property is very troubling. I've done the

00:53:42.060 math. At this rate, we'll have 900 goats by the end of June. A process has started, and now there is

00:53:48.280 no stopping it. The virus is spreading. It's like a zombie apocalypse, but with goats.

00:53:53.720 I tried to stop it, but here we are. In three years, I will have dropped out of podcasting,

00:53:59.420 and you'll find me sitting in a field with a staff wearing a robe and sandals, watching over my flock

00:54:04.480 of goats and sheep. I will be the first person in history to parlay a lucrative media job

00:54:09.220 into a career as a medieval shepherd. And that is why it's come to this. I'm sorry to say that my wife,

00:54:17.680 who I love dearly, but who is also a shameless goat propagandist, is today canceled. That'll do it 0.99

00:54:26.000 for the show today. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Talk to you tomorrow. Have a great day.

00:54:29.420 Godspeed.

The Matt Walsh Show - March 24, 2025

Ep. 1561 - Paid-Off “Conservatives” Are Fighting For Your Right To Use Food Stamps For Soda

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