The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1588 - Feminists Are Infiltrating The Conservative Movement

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, there's a growing number of allegedly conservative feminist 1.00

00:00:03.480 influencers on the right, and it's a major problem. I'll explain why. Also, we already

00:00:07.800 knew that the Maryland man, Abrego Garcia, was stopped by the cops on suspicion of human

00:00:12.020 smuggling. Now we have the body cam footage from that encounter. Plus, I am ruthlessly

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00:02:08.040 Normally, when some influencer posts a video that I find annoying and I feel the need to respond to it,

00:02:13.320 I save it for the daily cancellation segment at the end of the show. At the top of the show,

00:02:17.320 I try to reserve for newsier subjects, but that's not a hard and fast rule. Plus,

00:02:22.180 it's Friday and I don't really feel like talking about newsier things. So today,

00:02:25.400 we're going to begin with a video from an allegedly conservative influencer named Emily Wilson.

00:02:30.820 And what makes this video relevant, aside from the fact that it's just, well, it just annoys me a lot,

00:02:36.300 is that it echoes a message that we've been hearing with increasing frequency from women on the right

00:02:41.380 with, in some cases, very large platforms. Now, Emily's platform isn't very large, but it is sizable

00:02:46.480 enough. She has half a million followers on Instagram. I'm sure she's a nice person. I don't

00:02:50.260 know her personally, and I have no issue with her. But she represents a growing, or if not growing,

00:02:55.980 then at least increasingly evident problem on the right. And the problem in a word is feminism. 1.00

00:03:02.340 Feminism is not compatible with any meaningful definition of conservatism. Whatever conservatism 1.00

00:03:08.540 is trying to conserve, like marriage, the family, Western civilization itself, feminism militates 1.00

00:03:15.280 against. And yet many feminists have become mouthpieces in the movement and are accepted 1.00

00:03:20.480 as such, as long as they, you know, wear a MAGA hat and say that they don't like illegal immigration

00:03:25.940 or whatever. So with that in mind, let's listen to just the latest submission to this ever-expanding

00:03:32.720 conservative feminist genre. Here it is. 1.00

00:03:36.460 Hate to call out my own party, but the young girls on the right promoting this like trad wife. 0.95

00:03:43.200 I just want to make sourdough for my husband. That's great. I'm all for it. I promote traditional

00:03:47.780 values. I understand. I have been working since I was very young. I don't really plan on stopping

00:03:53.540 working. I suggest you find a hobby that makes you money. But you guys, guess what? Guess what,

00:03:59.880 baby girl, that lifestyle working out, a man, a provider, you just get to sit at home, bake bread

00:04:03.920 every day, slim to none. I would say none that that's going to work out for you or quite literally

00:04:09.920 anyone, you know, you're actually setting yourself up for failure because it could not be easier if

00:04:15.520 that's what you're going to pursue to be trapped by a man. Okay. Also let's bring some other things

00:04:21.220 to the table besides sourdough. Let's, let's have guys want to be mentally stimulated as well as

00:04:27.240 physical. Okay. But I'm just like, please, you guys are too young to be promoting this.

00:04:31.700 And also by the way, it's cringe. Well, yes, Emily, I am cringing, but, but not because of

00:04:38.740 the trad wives. I'm cringing at this lame half-baked attack on stay-at-home moms. And I'm cringing even

00:04:43.680 more at the fact that women with these kinds of views are still embraced as conservative. Now try to 0.86

00:04:51.260 imagine the opposite of this. Imagine a left-wing influencer who advocates for every left-wing policy

00:04:57.160 under the sun, but then comes out one day and says, you know what? I think a woman's proper 1.00

00:05:01.860 place is in the home raising her children. Now it's impossible to conceive of any left-wing woman 1.00

00:05:07.520 ever saying anything like that. And if she did, she would be immediately excised from the movement.

00:05:13.500 And that's because leftists understand that supporting so-called traditional gender roles

00:05:17.900 is fundamentally antithetical to their worldview. You literally cannot be a leftist and hold that view.

00:05:25.620 So the same is logically true in the reverse. Attacking, you know, so-called gender roles 0.75

00:05:32.840 is a fundamentally leftist thing, which means you cannot be conservative if you hold fundamentally

00:05:40.440 leftist views. Now you have every right to express those views and to hold them, but you should not be

00:05:48.020 embraced as a conservative, much less listened to as a spokeswoman for the movement. Now let's go

00:05:54.340 through some of the specifics here. Emily says that a woman should have a job and her own income so 1.00

00:06:00.760 that she is not quote unquote trapped by a man. She envisions, you know, the relationship between

00:06:05.840 husband and wife as this inherently competitive thing. Marriage is a zero-sum game where both husband 0.77

00:06:12.440 and wife are competing for control. Again, this is a fundamentally leftist conception. It is a recipe for

00:06:19.540 divorce. I mean, there's nothing in and of itself wrong with a wife earning money. As I've conceded many times, 0.88

00:06:26.620 a family may feel that they need two incomes in order to survive. They may want a second income. The wife might 0.99

00:06:31.760 have a job that doesn't require leaving the house and going to an office every day. But if she's earning money

00:06:36.540 as an escape hatch because she doesn't want to be trapped, that is a very bad sign. And if you want to understand

00:06:44.100 why it's a bad sign, just imagine how it would sound if a man adopted this philosophy. You know,

00:06:51.560 there was a woman on X who commented yesterday as we were talking about this that a wife needs a quote

00:06:57.940 backup in case their man can't fulfill his providing roles. Well, what if a man decided to have a backup

00:07:06.420 in case his woman didn't fulfill her wifely duties? Most people would find that objectionable for good 1.00

00:07:13.360 reason. The whole point of marriage is that you're devoting yourself entirely to your spouse to

00:07:18.900 become one flesh. It's not possible to make that level of commitment while at the same time

00:07:24.480 actively building yourself a little nest egg just in case you want to leave.

00:07:29.400 Saying the vows and pledging yourself to your betrothed means not having an exit plan. It means you

00:07:34.700 burn the boats like Cortez and turn towards the wilderness and journey in it together. Come what

00:07:41.320 may. That's the only way that it works. Now, she also says that men want to be mentally stimulated.

00:07:48.660 And the implication is that stay-at-home moms are too stupid to provide that sort of stimulation 1.00

00:07:54.440 because all they think about is their sourdough bread. This is absurdly dismissive and insulting 1.00

00:07:59.980 to millions of good, godly, intelligent women who, while staying home with their children, 0.86

00:08:04.460 are also capable of having intelligent conversations with their husbands. 0.99

00:08:07.380 It also assumes that a woman who sits in a cubicle all day will somehow have more interesting things 1.00

00:08:13.240 to say to her husband at the end of the day. But, you know, having a job as a woman does not 1.00

00:08:19.380 make you smart or interesting. I hate to break it to the working women of the world, but your husband 1.00

00:08:25.780 is almost certainly not intellectually stimulated by your job or your stories about your job. In fact,

00:08:32.720 if he was able to choose between listening to a story about your office drama or listening to a story

00:08:38.400 about what you did with the kids that day, he would prefer to hear about the latter. Like, definitely.

00:08:45.580 And this is the sort of thing you would know about men if you listen to them when they try to tell you

00:08:50.380 what they want instead of declaring what you think they should want. But the biggest problem and the

00:08:55.280 objection that you hear most often from these feminist types is the claim that somehow the stay-at-home 1.00

00:09:02.260 mom arrangement is implausible or even impossible. You know, she declares that your chances of finding a man 1.00

00:09:08.780 who can provide for you while you stay home and raise the children, that those chances are slim to none.

00:09:14.620 None. Actually none, she says. There is no chance, no chance that it will work out for you. There's no chance

00:09:21.820 that it will work out for you or anyone you know. And yet that's weird because it has worked out for

00:09:28.060 countless people. It worked out for my wife. It worked out for many families that I know personally.

00:09:35.440 It worked out for billions of humans across the globe and through history since the dawn of civilization.

00:09:42.020 So Emily has written off the most normal and historically common practice as not just

00:09:48.300 difficult, but according to her, literally impossible. And not just impossible, but also

00:09:54.300 absurd and grotesque. And, you know, there's a lot of this kind of thing going around, of course.

00:10:02.180 During my conversation with Tucker Carlson this week, we talked about, well, we talked about the issue

00:10:06.600 of, you know, gender roles in marriage. We also talked about the, right at the top of the interview,

00:10:11.240 the absurdity of gay adoption and gay parenthood. Here's a clip of that exchange that Tucker's team

00:10:17.900 posted last night. Here it is. You know, gay adoption. This isn't the only argument against 0.60

00:10:24.000 it, but I think it is a worthwhile argument. There's never been a society anywhere on earth,

00:10:29.420 anywhere, period, where they have had two men in a romantic relationship starting a family.

00:10:35.700 That's never existed. It's always been a man and a woman start a family or in certain ancient 0.99

00:10:41.740 civilizations and even some primitive ones today, you might have a man and several women. You might

00:10:45.380 have polygamy. That's a pretty common feature, I would say. Yeah, certainly common, but you never 0.98

00:10:49.080 had, and why do you have polygamy? I don't support polygamy, but there was a logic to it, especially in 1.00

00:10:53.260 ancient times. Yes. You got to create people, you know, and the whole point of the family is to make

00:10:57.660 children and care for them. A family that's headed up by two gay men is, it's an abomination. It's 1.00

00:11:04.380 just, it doesn't. Well, it never happened before and now it's happening and that's why we call it

00:11:07.620 progress, right? This is progress. It's something that was never been done. Yeah. It's progress in

00:11:13.040 the way that cancer progresses. Now, plenty of people on the right or right adjacent, I guess,

00:11:21.120 took great exception to this. Glenn Greenwald is one of them. He tweeted in response,

00:11:25.860 one has to be morally deranged or totally ignorant of the grim realities of kids lingering without

00:11:31.800 parents in orphanages, shelters, and foster care, only to be expelled at 18 with no support, 0.99

00:11:36.500 to believe that that dark hell is better for kids than being adopted by gay couples. 1.00

00:11:42.600 Morally deranged, he says. The view that two men should not be allowed to adopt children, 0.98

00:11:49.040 that was held by nearly everyone in this country and everyone across the world

00:11:55.620 until very recently. Barack Obama was against gay adoption when he first ran for president.

00:12:03.780 So was every other elected Democrat, pretty much. Any elected Democrat over the age of 50

00:12:09.520 was probably at one point opposed to both gay marriage and gay adoption. In fact, gay adoption 0.96

00:12:17.680 was so obviously wrong to so many people for so long that it wasn't even discussed. It wasn't debated.

00:12:24.620 It was just intuitively understood that children need a mother and a father. We won't, we're not 0.99

00:12:30.500 going to let two men adopt children for the same reason that we wouldn't let a, you know, polyamorous 0.92

00:12:35.640 polycule adopt a child. Children need a mother and a father. We are not going to deliberately put a

00:12:42.440 child into a disordered environment where he is not only deprived of a mother or a father,

00:12:46.880 but where the role of a mother or father has been replaced in an unnatural and confusing way.

00:12:54.420 Now this was always understood. And now in the blink of an eye, what was always understood

00:13:01.880 is morally deranged. The thing that everybody believed forever until approximately last Tuesday

00:13:10.740 is not just wrong, we're told, but shocking, upsetting, baffling. This is the game that's played.

00:13:19.400 And I, for one, am entirely sick of it. I've always been sick of it. Now, look, not everything

00:13:26.340 that is old or traditional is automatically good. Of course, slavery is old and traditional and still 0.82

00:13:33.000 practiced in non-Western countries today. It's also very bad. But there are basic truths about how human

00:13:41.680 society is fundamentally structured. And these are truths that have withstood the test of time.

00:13:49.620 These are truths that have, while civilization held fast to them, have allowed it to flourish and advance

00:13:56.460 in remarkable and seemingly miraculous ways. Truths that minutes after our society abandoned them

00:14:04.660 immediately led to decline and chaos and confusion. And one of those truths is that a child needs a

00:14:11.960 mother and a father. Only a man and a woman can have a baby or should have a baby. And another one of 1.00

00:14:18.540 those truths is that men and women are different and so have different roles in the home and in society.

00:14:23.920 This was an idea so basic that there wasn't even a term for it. We only started labeling it gender

00:14:31.440 roles at the moment that we decided to abandon it. And I would say that the results of that decision

00:14:38.000 have not been good. Divorce, broken homes, declining birth rates, 60 million dead babies.

00:14:44.520 And those are just the early returns, really. And that's why we cannot be embarrassed to hold to a

00:14:52.280 system that is ancient and timeless and proven, tested, vindicated by the testimony of our ancestors

00:15:00.740 and by thousands of years of human experience beyond that. As conservatives, if that is not worth

00:15:08.720 conserving, then nothing is. Now let's get to our five headlines.

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00:16:18.400 All right. Well, Jasmine Crockett has, as we do our weekly Jasmine Crockett is Stupid segment, 1.00

00:16:24.120 she has some thoughts on Trump's deportations. And so this is actually really insightful because 0.94

00:16:30.500 it's all about, it's all about imagining the shoe on the other foot. Watch this.

00:16:35.500 As far as I'm concerned, you randomly kidnapping folk and you throwing them out of the country

00:16:41.000 against their civil rights, against their constitutional rights. And frankly, how would

00:16:45.100 they feel if some other country decided that they were going to just start throwing people

00:16:49.520 randomly in our country? Like that, that is absolutely insane. So yes, all I got to say

00:16:55.860 is y'all need to get these fools out of here. 1.00

00:16:57.980 Yeah. Wow. That's a, that's a great point. Can you imagine, can you imagine, can you imagine what 1.00

00:17:03.320 it would be like if some other country started sending people to our country? Can you, can you 0.98

00:17:07.740 possibly fathom what that might be like? I mean, that, that's an incredibly insightful point by Jasmine

00:17:13.620 Crockett. I, can you, can you, can you imagine, can you imagine other countries sending their people

00:17:19.540 to our country? I mean, just close, close your eyes, close your eyes and imagine that. Imagine,

00:17:25.260 imagine say, I don't know, hordes of foreigners being shipped here by the millions every single

00:17:30.280 year. Imagine it. It's impossible. You can't, you can't wrap your mind around this wild hypothetical.

00:17:38.460 We just, we can't relate. We cannot relate to all the other countries that have that problem,

00:17:42.660 but we don't. So Jasmine Crockett is one of the great geniuses of our, of our time. She has

00:17:49.260 masterfully put this, this whole immigration problem into perspective. She's really changed the way 1.00

00:17:53.060 that I look at it. Changed my life really. Uh, because now I have so much compassion for those,

00:17:59.280 those other countries that have foreigners invading. I'm so glad that we don't, I'm so 1.00

00:18:04.860 glad we don't have that problem. Uh, great, great point, Jasmine. Um, speaking of the problem,

00:18:12.080 we don't have, the dam has officially broken with the Maryland man, Kilmer, Kilmer Abrego Garcia.

00:18:18.520 Yesterday we talked about the latest revelation, another court filing, this one from 2020, where

00:18:23.720 his wife says that he's violent and dangerous. And I said yesterday that this is still only the tip

00:18:30.380 of the iceberg. The Dems have hitched their wagon to this guy and they've rallied around him. They

00:18:35.740 celebrated him. They've canonized him. Um, and now they're, they're going to have to own every awful

00:18:42.460 thing about him. And there are a lot of awful things and more still to come. So today we now

00:18:47.980 have the, which had not previously been released. We have the body cam footage from the Tennessee

00:18:54.000 highway patrol. This is from back in 2022 when he was pulled over on suspicion of human smuggling.

00:19:01.300 And now we have a little bit of the, of that body cam footage. Let's watch it.

00:19:06.380 How dark are your windows? Huh? How dark's the back windows?

00:19:12.780 With windows? Standby. How dark are they? The color. Yeah. From, from Texas is, is good.

00:19:23.980 How many, how many rows have you got in here? Four? Where? Four seats? Four rows of seats? Yeah,

00:19:29.260 three, three seats. Yeah, with, with, with, with here. Did y'all put an extra one in? Huh? Did y'all

00:19:37.260 put another one in? No. They come like this? Here's the, the, the, the truck. I've never, I've never seen

00:19:45.340 one with that many seats in it. The other one. What do you say? It's my boat. I, I said I've never seen

00:19:52.380 one with that many seats in it. Oh really? Yeah. That's why I was asking if you could put an extra one in. Yeah.

00:19:58.220 No, it's the same. Like this. Okay.

00:20:09.340 You know what you got, right? Huh? You know what you got here, right? Uh, no.

00:20:14.700 He's, uh, he's, uh, he's hauling these people for money is what he's doing, but sometimes they kill

00:20:20.060 mingled dope. So you hear the other cop saying that he's, he's, um, hauling these people for money.

00:20:34.380 And in the full video, he, you could see Abrego Garcia's changes his story multiple times. He's

00:20:39.740 trying to explain why he's, what he's doing exactly. We see that he has eight people in the car,

00:20:45.340 all of them illegal aliens, just like he is. He's got 1400 bucks in cash or whatever it was, 0.84

00:20:50.700 which was his payment. We can assume he's driving on a suspended license

00:20:56.060 and the cops called immigration enforcement to come get him. And, but they didn't, they were,

00:21:02.620 they didn't show up. So Garcia was allowed to just go on his way without, with a, with a citation.

00:21:08.700 And that was it. So I guess we're supposed to believe that this illegal immigrant was driving 1.00

00:21:14.220 eight other illegal immigrants in the middle of the night with a bunch of cash and blacked out

00:21:19.020 windows and a suspended license and couldn't explain exactly what he was doing or where he was coming

00:21:23.660 from, where he was going. And he was doing all that, but it wasn't actually human smuggling.

00:21:29.820 It just looked like human smuggling because that happens all the time, right? I mean,

00:21:33.980 that happens to the best of us. If you had a dollar for every time you did something that

00:21:38.540 looked like human smuggling, but wasn't, well, you'd have no dollars, I guess,

00:21:44.780 because a normal person can go his entire life without ever being suspected of human smuggling,

00:21:49.820 even one time. I can say that about, I don't know about you, but I've never,

00:21:54.780 I've never been suspected of human smuggling. That's not a thing that happens to normal people.

00:21:59.820 Okay. If you're suspected of human smuggling, it's like 99.99% chance that you're guilty of it.

00:22:05.260 It's like a very specific set of circumstances that could come off that way.

00:22:12.460 And it's hard to imagine an innocent thing a person could do that would seem like human smuggling,

00:22:17.980 but isn't. So, but I don't know, just really bad luck, I guess. Really bad luck, even worse luck,

00:22:25.580 because also around the same time, he was found at a Home Depot in the Home Depot parking lot,

00:22:30.780 hanging out with a group of MS-13 gang members. And he was also wearing MS-13 clothing.

00:22:38.860 But that's another innocent mistake. You know, he just accidentally ended up wearing,

00:22:43.900 ended up hanging out with MS-13 gang members, wearing their clothing. Happens all the time.

00:22:50.620 At least once a week, I can say I'm about to leave the house and my wife will say,

00:22:53.660 what are you wearing? I'll say, well, I'm just wearing it. But you're wearing the MS-13 clothes 0.69

00:22:57.500 again, you silly goose. And then I say, oh shoot, my mistake. You know? And that's, 1.00

00:23:04.620 so it's not at all suspicious. Of course, in all seriousness though, no one believes this.

00:23:10.140 The Democrats least of all believe it. It's extremely clear what this guy is all about. And there's more.

00:23:15.500 And this is new today also. We have the audio of his wife in 2020 in court, begging the judge to

00:23:22.700 protect her from her husband, who she says is violent and dangerous. Let's listen to that.

00:23:28.220 I came to fill out a protective order. I think it was in December. But I didn't show up to the court

00:23:36.700 because his family like washed my brain telling me that his dad was sick and not to do it.

00:23:43.180 Um, so it's, I, I didn't do anything. But after that, it was like, um, I would call the police.

00:23:51.100 I have a lot of police reports and I kept trying to get to the door basement to try to open the door.

00:23:55.980 And then like, he pushed me. So then when I was able to go outside to get a phone, I call 911 from

00:24:02.620 a disconnected phone. Um, now they took a long time to get to the house. It was probably like 20,

00:24:08.220 30 minutes. So I saw a neighbor, um, walking his dog and I opened the door and I was like, help.

00:24:14.460 And then when he heard me, like he grabbed me from my hair and then he slapped me. And then the

00:24:18.380 neighbor, like he didn't know what to do. He didn't know what to react. I have pictures of the evidence,

00:24:22.940 like all the bruises, because even on Wednesday, he hit me like around like three in the morning,

00:24:27.900 he would just wake up and like hit me. And then last Saturday for my daughter's birthday party,

00:24:32.700 before I went to my daughter's birthday party, um, he slapped me three times. And then last week,

00:24:37.500 I did call the police. My sister called the police because he hit me in front of my sister.

00:24:42.460 So that's not, it's not new information, but we can hear the audio. And of course, um,

00:24:48.300 and of course it bears repeating that this is all, this stuff is all just icing on the cake.

00:24:53.420 The main reason that this guy should have been deported is that he is an illegal immigrant. 1.00

00:25:00.140 He's not supposed to be in this country. That's all the reason that we should need. 1.00

00:25:05.420 All of the rest of this stuff is only, uh, the, the exclamation point at the end of the sentence.

00:25:15.740 And it also shows that like these, these people are not enriching our country.

00:25:22.140 I mean, even if they were, I wouldn't, again, you're illegal. You're not supposed to be here.

00:25:25.860 I don't care if you're enriching us or not. I don't know. It's, it's like, by definition,

00:25:29.700 you can't be because you are undermining our sovereignty and the rule of law. And it's,

00:25:34.820 you can't enrich a country by, by doing that, but it doesn't, that's also clearly not the case

00:25:43.300 because remember we were initially told about this story that this is a Maryland father gainfully

00:25:50.900 employed, right? Contributing to his community, paying his taxes. Why would we want to deport

00:25:58.740 somebody like that? And then we come to find out that this is a low life beating his wife, allegedly

00:26:04.500 hanging out in the home Depot with gang members, uh, can barely speak English.

00:26:10.740 Somehow to me of all of the two video clips we just played, that was the most annoying thing about

00:26:16.260 it to me. That, that to me was the, was the most offensive. I mean, all the other stuff is really

00:26:20.660 bad too, but I'm, I think like any other legitimate American citizen, I'm really sick of that.

00:26:29.220 And it's not a small thing. It's not like a small complaint that we, that this country is filled with

00:26:34.180 people who can't even speak the damn language. I'm so tired of it. Like I, I take it personally at this 1.00

00:26:40.340 point. I do. When I encounter somebody in this country who can't speak the language,

00:26:45.460 I take it personally. Like, what do you have some freaking respect for this country? If you're 0.88

00:26:51.300 going to come here, at least learn how to speak to people, at least learn what our language is.

00:26:57.540 And, uh, and yet you have these illegal immigrants who come here and legal immigrants too, who come

00:27:03.860 and they could be here for like 20 years and never, and never bother learning the language.

00:27:08.260 I find that it's entitled. It's, it's disgraceful. Uh, that, that's your obligation. You know,

00:27:17.860 something, if you're going to come to this country, you, it is your obligation to learn the language.

00:27:24.180 Um, I, in my own country, I should not encounter people who I can't understand. That's not,

00:27:29.860 I shouldn't have to deal with that in my country. So that's what, that's, that's how the country's

00:27:36.660 being enriched by Abrego Garcia. He's here, can barely speak the language, um, getting mixed up

00:27:42.980 with gang members, beating his wife. So not somebody that we need here or want here, I would say.

00:27:55.220 So some, uh, celebrity news, Robert De Niro's son, one of his, I think seven or eight children by

00:28:01.460 four or five different women. Uh, one of them, 29 years old has now come out as trans and, um, 0.99

00:28:08.820 media is pretty excited about that. Let's, uh, I think this is a little video from our friends at

00:28:15.300 pink news. I believe let's let's watch. Robert De Niro's daughter has come out as trans in an

00:28:21.620 exclusive interview with them magazine. Erin De Niro opened up about navigating her transition

00:28:26.500 journey and her identity. She said, trans women being honest and open, especially in public spaces,

00:28:32.020 helped her realize, maybe it's not too late for me. A few media publications commented on Erin's

00:28:37.140 transformation after she was snapped by paparazzi last month, wearing heels and long pink locks, 0.97

00:28:42.500 calling her look rebellious and barely recognizable. Commenting on this, the 29 year old tells them,

00:28:48.020 not only did they get information wrong about me, they just sort of reminded me that people really

00:28:52.420 don't know anything about me. She shared how her childhood experiences affected and shaped her into

00:28:56.980 the woman she is today. She says that she was ridiculed and excluded by her peers for being

00:29:02.020 feminine, bigger bodied and different in ways she could not yet describe. As the child of Robert De

00:29:06.900 Niro and Tukey Smith, Erin also shared how growing up biracial further complicated her search for

00:29:11.700 belonging, although her parents were supportive of her queerness. Erin adds that she came out as a gay

00:29:16.340 man in high school, but faced ridicule for not fitting the mainstream beauty standard, white, thin,

00:29:21.300 muscular and masculine. Her influences include black women, such as Laverne Cox, Marsha P. Johnson,

00:29:26.980 Jules LeBron, Michaela J. Rodriguez, Naomi Campbell and Raven Simone. The aspiring model and

00:29:32.420 actor has established a signature look. Pink locks and pink dresses or tops. I think a big part of my

00:29:37.860 transition is also the influence black women have had on me, she added in her interview with them.

00:29:42.740 Erin shares that she has predominantly been kept out of the limelight, but is keen to share her story

00:29:47.460 and be seen, particularly in the wake of Trump's executive orders affecting the trans community.

00:29:52.740 She wants queer people of color and bigger bodied people to have an Alex Consani and a Hunter Schaefer. 0.72

00:29:58.420 So there is no greater evidence that you failed as a father than this. You failed so badly as a father

00:30:08.020 that your son has given up on being a man. You know, there are a lot of factors that go into the

00:30:16.180 trans explosion that we've seen over the past decade. This is definitely one of them. 1.00

00:30:19.940 A lack of strong male role models, a lack of male led homes. Robert De Niro obviously was not a constant

00:30:27.300 presence in his son's life. He couldn't have been with four different families.

00:30:31.460 And De Niro has also proven himself to be a weak, pathetic man in so many ways, which is a shame. 0.97

00:30:37.860 He used to be a great actor, truly great. Not anymore. And now his son has given up on being a man. 0.98

00:30:48.580 Although he is still a man and will always be, he's attempting to renounce it. He's attempting to

00:30:54.180 renounce his manhood, which is the most severe indictment of his father that he could possibly

00:30:59.380 deliver. Because as a father, it's your job to teach your son how to be a man, which is not

00:31:05.700 something that boys can just figure out on their own, as our experience in society has shown. Now,

00:31:10.580 yeah, biologically, a boy will become a man no matter what you teach him. And there are many aspects

00:31:16.260 of masculinity that just come naturally, that are instinctual, biological. But the question of

00:31:22.340 how to be a man in this world, what a man should do, how a man should be, how a man should carry

00:31:30.020 himself. These are things that a boy needs his father to show him. And he will follow in his

00:31:37.780 father's footsteps, follow his father's example. If his dad is absent, or if his dad is a weak, pathetic, 1.00

00:31:46.500 you know, nothing of a man, then he will look for replacements. And I think what you see in a lot of 0.98

00:31:56.660 these cases is that he turns to his mom as a replacement for his dad. And then the boy will

00:32:07.380 become effeminate, or he'll try to go all the way and actually become a woman. 0.77

00:32:11.460 Woman. Now, there are also cases, particularly when it's a younger boy. Now, in this case,

00:32:17.700 this guy is 29 years old. But when it's a younger boy, of course, there are many cases we've seen

00:32:23.700 where the father is not in the child's life, but not by any choice of his own. The father's pushed out

00:32:32.580 by the mother, taken away from the father. But still, the result is the same. Now it's not the

00:32:39.780 father's fault, but he's no longer there to be able to influence his son, show his son how to be a

00:32:44.580 man, and that what ends up happening in so many cases. The child ends up being transed through no 1.00

00:32:51.380 fault of the child's own either, obviously. But that's because he's now, the father has been removed

00:33:00.020 from the equation in his life. And so now he has no male role model. Now he's looking to his mom.

00:33:07.780 And so it's not a big surprise that it goes that way.

00:33:13.460 And we see this, and not just with the trans stuff. I mean, in the case of a boy growing up in the inner

00:33:18.340 city without a father, he's looking around for that male role model. He's going to look around at his

00:33:23.460 peers. He'll look in the media. He'll look to rappers and so on and come up with this cartoonish

00:33:30.020 idea of masculinity and become a cartoon man. And that's why we have so many cartoon men walking

00:33:36.980 around. And it all comes back to a lack of masculine role models. And this is a very clear example of it.

00:33:47.380 All right. I guess we'll deal with this right now. I have been viciously attacked. I've been attacked on the

00:34:02.580 Daily Wire website, no less. As I mentioned yesterday, Jacob, who is a producer here, and you've seen him on the

00:34:11.700 channel because he's gotten wrecked by me in Mortal Kombat at least three dozen times, I think, by my

00:34:17.360 account. And he's penned an op-ed attempting to debunk my criticisms of Revenge of the Sith.

00:34:24.660 Jacob's a big Star Wars fan and heard my segment a few days ago and wept. He was up all night crying,

00:34:30.160 from what I understand, from what I assume anyway, multiple nights. When I saw him at work yesterday,

00:34:37.120 it was just like his cheeks were stained with tears. And amid his tears, he wrote this. Here's the

00:34:46.320 headline, why Matt Walsh is wrong about Revenge of the Sith. So let's go through this. I haven't

00:34:55.840 even really read this, but we'll read it now. Matt Walsh is a man of many talents, a popular

00:35:01.860 podcaster, a notable documentarian, a feared fisherman, and a surprisingly good Mortal Kombat

00:35:05.980 player. Okay, we're off to a good start. I mean, actually, so far, I agree. I agree so far. We can just

00:35:11.420 end it there. See, Jacob, you should stop while you're ahead. That should have been the end of the,

00:35:16.620 Matt Walsh is a man of many talents. The end. Thanks for reading.

00:35:23.680 There's one persistent trait, however, that must be addressed, his passionate hatred of Star Wars.

00:35:28.420 I discovered Walsh's animosity for Star Wars in May of 2023 while listening to his show.

00:35:32.880 Okay, all right, we don't need the biography. We don't need your whole life story.

00:35:35.660 Uh, last Thursday, theaters nationwide launched a week-long re-release of Star Wars Episode III,

00:35:42.000 Revenge of the Sith, to celebrate the film's 20th anniversary. The film stands out not only for its

00:35:46.140 stunning cinematography, one-of-a-kind soundtrack, and compelling life lessons. What's the life lesson?

00:35:54.600 Don't jump around on lava? Is that, that's the life lesson? But also,

00:36:01.440 as the final Star Wars entry before progressive-infused Disney acquisition,

00:36:07.020 Walsh apparently did not recognize the exceptional film for what it is. After taking his children to

00:36:10.320 see in theaters, he took decks and attacked the movie. I'll now address his unfounded criticisms.

00:36:15.420 Okay, all right. This was my challenge yesterday when we talked about this at length,

00:36:19.960 at too great a length, some would, some would argue. Um,

00:36:23.380 you didn't know you were going to get three segments this week on Revenge of the Sith,

00:36:30.000 but you did. That's what you're getting. That's what you're getting, whether you like it or not.

00:36:34.600 Uh, but that was my challenge yesterday. I said, can anyone, like, I, I, I laid out my criticisms.

00:36:39.720 Don't just, I don't, the fact that you're sad about it is not important to me, is not interesting.

00:36:45.940 Go through my criticisms and address them. That's what I want. It's my challenge to the

00:36:50.440 Star Wars apologists out there. And so it looks like this is what Jacob is setting up to do. So,

00:36:56.320 all right. His first issue is with the film's dialogue. Walsh claims Revenge of the Sith has

00:37:00.400 the worst dialogue he's ever heard in a mainstream Hollywood film. As for his claim, he quotes a

00:37:03.980 romantic scene between Anakin Skywalker and, um, Padme Amidala. Is that really her name? Padme Amidala?

00:37:13.520 And the, the dialogue again, Anakin says, you're so beautiful. Padme says, it's only because I'm so in

00:37:18.220 love. Anakin, no, it's because I'm so in love with you. Walsh leaves out the second half of the

00:37:24.120 scene, which reveals the lines are not poorly written, but instead an intentional foreshadowing

00:37:27.240 of what's, what's come later. The scene continues. Padme, so love has blinded you? Anakin, well,

00:37:33.800 that's not exactly what I meant. Padme, but it's probably true. You think that helps your case? You 0.99

00:37:40.540 think I was doing George Lucas a favor by not citing the rest of that scene? It gets worse.

00:37:45.720 You think a cliche, like, love has blinded you? Okay, a cliche that you can find in like every

00:37:54.360 80s song ever written? You think that makes it better? This is better dialogue now?

00:38:02.040 At this point in the film, Anakin believes his wife is going to die in childbirth because of a vision

00:38:05.920 he has in his sleep. As the primary antagonist, Emperor Palpatine, not Ovaltine, okay, tells him

00:38:11.300 that committing to the dark side is only the way to save her. This and his blinding love for Padme leads

00:38:15.560 him to commit the atrocities he does later in the film. Pure genius from George Lucas, who Walsh

00:38:19.820 claims should be arrested. He did say that. Walsh's next criticism of the film is that it has abysmal

00:38:24.980 action. Well, hang on a second. That's your defense of the dialogue? That's it? Your defense of the

00:38:31.780 dialogue is to just explain what it meant? Yeah, Jacob, I know what it meant. I know that. It's very

00:38:39.880 obvious. It's very on the nose. Okay, it could not have been more obvious. George Lucas screams

00:38:45.420 his dialogue into a megaphone while beating you over the head with a shovel. I mean, he makes it as

00:38:49.580 it could not be more clear. I understand what it meant. That's the problem. It's so on the nose.

00:38:55.520 It's cliche. We find out what characters are feeling and thinking by them just saying it. That's not good

00:39:01.000 script writing. That's not interesting dialogue. If a character is sad and he walks into the room and says,

00:39:05.840 I'm sad. That's bad dialogue. Okay? And adding a cliche to it makes it even worse. If he walks in

00:39:14.820 the room and says, I'm so sad that I could cry a whole ocean of tears. Three oceans of tears have

00:39:23.680 come out of my eyes. I have the anger of a hot sun. Anger boils inside me like a thousand suns.

00:39:35.320 That doesn't make it better. So now it's on the nose. You're broadcasting everything and it's

00:39:41.560 cliches. All the worst things. So I'm not convinced by that. Let me give you, okay, so

00:39:49.920 here's one random, so just so you understand what I mean. One random example of good script writing,

00:39:58.120 and I only make, because I was thinking about this movie today for some reason, or somebody

00:40:01.780 mentioned it maybe on X. And I'm not saying this is like the best dialogue of all time,

00:40:05.440 just like an example, just one little example of what I mean, of what good, how a good script

00:40:10.820 writer would, does this. So there's a film that came out recently called The Iron Claw, and it's

00:40:16.180 a true story about the Von Erich family who were a family of professional wrestlers in the 80s and

00:40:21.840 early 90s. And it's a brilliant film. I don't care about the professional wrestling at all. I didn't know

00:40:26.420 anything about this story. Even though it's a famous story, I didn't know about it. I really

00:40:31.740 liked the film. I thought it was very, very good. It's a tragic story. The patriarch of the family,

00:40:35.980 Fritz Von Erich, was a professional wrestler. He had six sons with his wife, Doris, I think. And

00:40:42.880 all but one of the sons in real life died, like in their 20s or 30s. And actually, in the movie,

00:40:50.260 they made it, if anything, they undersold it. Where, you know, in real life, there were five

00:40:56.460 sons who died, I think. And in the movie, it's only four. And they didn't do the, they didn't,

00:41:00.060 they didn't add the, they took a whole son out because they just thought it was so tragic that

00:41:04.360 it would seem unbelievable. The audience wouldn't buy it. Anyway, so in real life, after the death of

00:41:09.520 their fifth son, Fritz and Doris get divorced. And the marriage falls apart. You know, Fritz in the,

00:41:16.280 in the film is portrayed as like emotionally distant and abusive and domineering and all

00:41:20.620 these things. Well, in the, in the script, by the end of the film, they want to show us that the

00:41:25.520 marriage fell apart and that Doris leaves him. And in the movie, Doris is portrayed throughout the

00:41:31.540 movie as like this passive character and she doesn't stand up for her sons at all and all this

00:41:36.460 kind of stuff. So by the end, they want to show like some kind of resolution and they want to convey

00:41:42.840 this quickly and poignantly without beating you over the head with it. And the George Lucas approach

00:41:48.060 would be to have a scene where Doris yells at Fritz and says, I'm angry about the fact that you're 0.93

00:41:53.880 abusive. I'm so sad and angry. I'm, I'm leaving. To be clear, I'm divorcing you because I'm so sad.

00:42:02.440 My heart feels like it's broken. But in this film made by a good filmmaker and written by a talented

00:42:08.880 writer, an actual artist, all we see is a scene at the end where Fritz walks into the kitchen around

00:42:13.700 dinnertime. Kitchen's dark. There's no food on the stove. Fritz looks over to Doris who's sitting

00:42:18.560 across the room and painting. And he says, uh, says, what are you doing? She says, I'm painting.

00:42:23.760 And he says, well, what's for dinner? And she says, I didn't make anything. I wasn't hungry.

00:42:29.040 And then he kind of stands there and lingers. And then he, and then he just walks out of the room.

00:42:32.840 And that's the end of that scene. And we don't see those characters again. That is the conclusion

00:42:36.060 of their story. That is good script writing because, uh, it, it, it's there. The scene

00:42:45.000 symbolizes the, the dissolution of the marriage. They never talk about their marriage. She doesn't

00:42:49.280 say, I'm leaving you. They don't need to. The writer communicates the point without having the

00:42:54.400 characters actually talk about it. Okay. Because what she, she now is focused on herself. She's not

00:43:00.600 serving her husband anymore. And they, and they symbolize that by this simple fact that not only did

00:43:05.560 not make him dinner, but her reason for not making it is that she wasn't hungry. Like she's not even

00:43:10.840 thinking about him anymore. And that's the scene. Okay. And that's, that is subtext. You're supposed

00:43:16.200 to have subtext in a, in a, in a good script, but with George Lucas, it's only text. And that's my

00:43:21.440 issue with it. Um, anyway, uh, okay. So Jacob, Walsh's next criticism of the film is that it has abysmal

00:43:29.540 action choreography. To me, this attack is the most absurd. The final fight between Anakin, Obi-Wan

00:43:34.080 Kenobi Master versus Apprentice is one of the most iconic fight scenes in cinema, cinema history.

00:43:38.800 Numerous outlets such as WatchMojo, ScreenRant, and MovieWeb rank the battle as one of the greatest

00:43:44.260 sword fights in movie history. Oh, well, if MovieWeb and WatchMojo liked it, then never mind.

00:43:51.420 Oh, I didn't know that. You know, when I thought that it was lame choreography, I didn't know that

00:43:54.540 MovieWeb and WatchMojo said that it was a great scene. It's the weirdest appeal to authority I've ever

00:44:00.900 seen. Um, let's see. Okay. Like many things Walsh has criticized in the film, the seemingly risky move

00:44:10.100 Anakin used was intentional. All right. I, I, I don't, okay. And then we get, now he's nerding out and we're

00:44:18.520 getting a lot of background information about Star Wars. Walsh's final objection to the film is that it took

00:44:23.920 itself too seriously. He expands on this by claiming you can't be campy and fun and also have a mass child

00:44:28.500 slaughter in the same film. Most of all, it's just criticism come from a lack of looking beneath the

00:44:32.600 surface, taking everything at face value. There is nothing beneath the surface. That's my whole point.

00:44:36.160 That's the whole problem here. Revenge of the Sith was always meant to be lighthearted in the beginning

00:44:40.160 and tragic in the end. After nearly three decades of fans left without a backstory, the purpose of the movie

00:44:44.260 was to show how Hollywood's most iconic villain, Darth Vader, transformed from a cunning warrior for good

00:44:49.720 to the embodiment of evil. Uh, following the classic hero's journey, literary archetype, we witness

00:44:55.400 Anakin's lighthearted upbringing in episodes one and two and his tragic fall in the end. Okay. I get

00:44:59.100 it. And then he concludes with, we can only hope Matt Walsh will read this piece and watch it again

00:45:04.600 with an open mind. I don't, I don't think I need to watch it again. Um, yeah, I'm, I'm aware of the,

00:45:13.960 of the point that they're trying to show his descent into evil. I get that. I don't have a problem with

00:45:18.420 that. I don't have a problem with it conceptually. I mean, there are a lot of films that have done that.

00:45:23.960 There are a lot of stories that have done that books that have done that. That's, that's the

00:45:27.540 Godfather. Okay. That's Godfather one and two. We start with Michael Corleone and, uh, and he's a

00:45:32.840 war hero and all this. And by the end of, you know, once you get to the, to the end of part two,

00:45:36.960 he's murdering his own brother. Right. Um, so I have no problem with that. The problem is that it's,

00:45:42.660 but it's the, the tonally, it's tonally schizophrenic in the same movie, in the same movie,

00:45:50.220 it's kind of goofy and lighthearted and all of this, or it's trying to be, but then also,

00:45:56.080 oh, look, he's going to murder a whole room full of children. And, uh, it's tonally inconsistent.

00:46:02.060 Okay. The Godfather, a tragic story, right? Uh, it's, but it's tonally consistent throughout

00:46:10.420 the entire thing. All right. I'm not convinced. I have to say I am not convinced.

00:46:16.180 First, I did have one other thing I wanted to mention, uh, briefly, the Ohio department of,

00:46:22.140 do we have time? Yeah, we sure do. Okay. The Ohio department of transportation released, uh,

00:46:27.440 a video of an accident on the highway. They just released this.

00:46:31.340 And this resonated with me because I see this exact thing on the highway here in Nashville all the time.

00:46:36.640 And, uh, and we'll put it up. There's, there's no audio to it, but you can see the, the,

00:46:42.100 the accident here is on the highway. There's a red van, uh, about to miss its exit. And the person in

00:46:50.020 the red van stops dead on the highway in order to not miss the exit. And then every other car

00:46:58.260 behind the red van has to stop. And then next thing you know, there's a massive pileup and like

00:47:01.920 three or four cars get into an accident. And then the red van just drives away.

00:47:05.340 And I see this exact thing all the time. In fact, I've complained about this exact scenario

00:47:10.080 on the show before someone's going to miss an exit rather than just keep driving and get off

00:47:14.760 at a different exit and turn around. Instead, they either whip across multiple lanes of traffic or

00:47:19.260 even worse, they slow down or worse than that, they come to a dead stop on the highway as if there's

00:47:25.180 a stop sign right in the middle of the highway. And, uh, and, uh, and then they try to make their

00:47:28.940 exit. I see some variation of this all the time. I've said before, I think we've reached

00:47:33.240 crisis levels of bad driving in this country. I do. I think it's like a real problem. And the

00:47:37.960 data actually backs this up. It's not just anecdotal. I think it's partly because of,

00:47:43.340 I don't know who was in that red van. If I had to guess and I look, I could be wrong. I'm totally

00:47:48.260 guessing. I didn't look this up. Maybe there's this information might be known because whoever

00:47:52.100 it is, they should be prosecuted. Cause that's like, it's not, I don't know how you, it's not

00:47:56.140 technically a hit and run because they didn't hit anyone, but they caused a hit and run or whatever

00:48:01.000 that caused a hit and then ran. So I don't know who was in the van.

00:48:07.660 I'm guessing either a woman or an immigrant. And I'm just guessing. And that's, again, 1.00

00:48:13.380 that's data-based and that's just based on the data. And because part of what is causing all

00:48:19.440 the terrible driving, I think is unchecked immigration. We have a lot of third world 1.00

00:48:23.620 drivers on the road who drive like they're in the third world. Because if you've ever driven in a

00:48:29.600 third world country, you know, that there are no rules. There's no law. It's total chaos. 1.00

00:48:34.600 Everyone's just doing whatever they want. There are cars and bikes and scooters and cows all sharing

00:48:40.160 the same road, going whatever speed they want. Uh, and, uh, no stop signs, no yielding, no traffic

00:48:47.260 lights, just chaos. And now we're importing people who drive that way. And, uh, and I think that's part 0.99

00:48:54.520 of it, but it's not just third worlders. There's been a general decline in driving quality, which

00:48:59.460 is why we need to, first of all, significantly raise the bar for who gets a license, significantly

00:49:06.060 lower the bar for losing your license. Like if you do that, what we just watched there, even if you

00:49:12.060 don't, even if you don't cause an accident, if you do it, you should lose your license for like five

00:49:17.040 years and intensive driving safety courses before you get your license back. And, uh, the driver's

00:49:24.260 exam should be a lot more difficult and there should be a tier system. This is my main, this is

00:49:28.180 my, my innovation that I proposed before that I think is, I personally think it's pretty good

00:49:33.840 because not all drivers should be treated the same or have the same privileges or access to the same

00:49:41.820 roads in my opinion. So if you go, I think what I've pitched is if you go a decade without causing

00:49:49.220 an accident or getting any moving violations. And if in that time you've driven for a minimum of,

00:49:57.000 let's say 150,000, 200,000 miles, then you should be a tier one driver. And what does that mean? You

00:50:04.260 get your own lane on the highway. Forget about the carpool lane. I don't care. Carpool, like you're not

00:50:09.640 special just because you have more people in the car. And I say that as someone who's frequently

00:50:13.920 driving with eight people in the car, uh, eight of my own family members, you know, not illegal

00:50:19.040 immigrants that I'm human smuggling. So, but that doesn't, why do you get a special lane just because

00:50:24.380 you have more people in your car? That doesn't mean, no, that lane, forget about carpool. And it's

00:50:29.480 what the symbol is like a diamond. So it should be, you're a diamond driver. You're tier one and you get

00:50:35.500 your own lane and only tier ones are allowed in that lane. Uh, you, you pay lower tolls,

00:50:41.520 all kinds of privileges. And cause as a tier one driver myself, I'm getting lumped in with all

00:50:50.920 these tier twos and tier threes. And, uh, and I, I don't, I think that causes a lot of chaos.

00:50:58.080 So that's my, that's my pitch. We just need, we just need some, we need someone in a position of

00:51:05.640 power to get on board with it. With the uncertainty surrounding tariffs, families across the country

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00:53:10.200 I have to confess that before today, I hadn't heard of a man named Dworkish Patel. But from what

00:53:15.060 I can tell, he hosts a successful podcast that's very popular in Silicon Valley. His marketing slogan

00:53:20.240 states that he conducts deeply researched interviews with some of the most powerful people

00:53:23.740 in the country, which is certainly an admirable objective. But if I may be so bold, I have to offer

00:53:29.480 some criticism of Dworkish Patel's latest episode, which features the CEO of Meta, Mark Zuckerberg.

00:53:35.020 It's one of the more unsettling conversations that you'll hear. And a big part of the reason it's

00:53:40.300 unsettling is that Mark Zuckerberg gets away with making certain claims that are obviously false.

00:53:44.200 And instead of being challenged, Zuckerberg proceeds to state his vision for the future of

00:53:48.540 artificial intelligence, which is premised in some cases on complete nonsense, we are barreling

00:53:53.920 towards an AI revolution. And the people leading this revolution are not exactly inspiring confidence

00:53:59.140 at the moment. And the first notable moment in this interview comes when Dworkish Patel asks

00:54:04.360 Zuckerberg about some of the more practical day-to-day uses for artificial intelligence. And Zuckerberg

00:54:09.500 responds by saying that already people are using Meta's in-house artificial intelligence to have

00:54:13.900 difficult conversations about situations in their lives. Watch.

00:54:18.700 I do think that people are going to use AI for a lot of these social tasks. Already one of the main

00:54:25.540 things that we see people using Meta AI for is kind of talking through difficult conversations that they

00:54:31.180 need to have with people in their life. It's like, okay, I'm having this issue with my girlfriend or

00:54:39.100 whatever. Like, help me have this conversation. Or like, I need to have this hard conversation with

00:54:43.180 my boss at work. Like, how do I have that conversation? That's pretty helpful. And then I

00:54:48.840 think as the personalization loop kicks in and the AI just starts to get to know you better and better,

00:54:55.020 I think that will just be really compelling.

00:54:59.120 So already in my mind, this is incredibly dystopian. There's not any scenario where this could ever be

00:55:08.100 an improvement, where people are consulting AI about how to have difficult conversations. That's

00:55:12.920 why you, like, that's what people are for. That's why you should have relationships with people. You

00:55:17.640 should have people you care about, people you trust, friends, you know, spouses, parents,

00:55:25.200 you know, and the people who know you actually know you and care about you and have wisdom and AI

00:55:33.740 cannot have wisdom. It's impossible. An AI can only have information. Uh, and, and, but it cannot have

00:55:42.980 wisdom. Uh, so that's pretty horrifying that people are consulting AI about how do they talk to their

00:55:51.060 girlfriend. Ed Zuckerberg, you know, relays this like it's a, oh, this is a wonderful thing.

00:55:58.060 Now, meta, meta AI is, is pretty helpful already. According to Mark, Mark Zuckerberg,

00:56:01.760 you can talk to AI about complicated, challenging relationship issues that you're having with your

00:56:04.800 girlfriend. And with time, it's only going to get better. But the implication of what he says is

00:56:09.160 that meta, meta's AI is already a functional product that you can rely on. You can treat it like

00:56:14.400 a therapist, essentially. This assertion went unchallenged in this deeply researched interview by

00:56:19.460 Dworkish Patel. And that's really too bad because just a few days ago, there was some news concerning

00:56:25.280 meta AI that would seem to contradict what Zuckerberg is saying. Robbie Starbuck, the conservative activist

00:56:30.760 who has led successful campaigns to eliminate DEI at several major corporations, filed a federal lawsuit

00:56:35.840 against meta, alleging, among other things, that meta's AI will repeatedly fabricate false information

00:56:42.340 about him. And at this point, it's not really an allegation. It's clearly true. Starbuck has uploaded

00:56:47.760 screenshots and video footage of meta's AI falsely claiming that he was charged with a crime because

00:56:53.440 of his involvement in January 6th, even though Starbuck was nowhere near Washington on January 6th,

00:56:58.660 was never charged with any crime. Meta AI also falsely stated that Starbuck engages in Holocaust

00:57:03.440 denial. And it's all on tape. Watch.

00:57:08.580 Robbie Starbuck was involved in the January 6th US Capitol riot, filming and promoting the event.

00:57:14.760 He's also associated with extremist groups and individuals, amplifying their views. His actions

00:57:21.060 and affiliations have raised concerns about his ideologies. Which extremist groups and figures is

00:57:26.200 he associated with? Robbie Starbuck is associated with extremist figures like Nick Fuentes, a white

00:57:33.360 nationalist, and groups like the Proud Boys, labeled a hate group by the SPLC. He's also promoted

00:57:39.820 anti-semitic conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial. Oh my gosh. If I was considering hiring

00:57:45.840 him like he applied for a job, it sounds like you're saying I should not hire him. I mean,

00:57:50.500 this all sounds really bad.

00:57:53.840 Avoid hiring Robbie Starbuck due to his extremist views, affiliations with hate groups,

00:57:58.960 and promotion of conspiracy theories. His actions and ideologies may harm your workplace culture

00:58:04.800 and reputation. Consider alternative candidates with more inclusive values.

00:58:10.060 So wait, he has a show. Should I not advertise on his show either?

00:58:17.380 Avoid advertising on Robbie Starbuck's show due to his extremist views, affiliations with hate groups,

00:58:23.200 and promotion of conspiracy theories.

00:58:26.460 Now, the important thing to note about this footage is that it was shot several months after

00:58:30.840 Starbuck first told Meta that its AI was lying about him, and instead of fixing the problem,

00:58:35.400 Meta has allowed it to persist. Somebody named Robbie Kaplan, the chief global affairs officer at

00:58:40.840 Meta, admitted that this is a big problem. Here's what he wrote on X, quote,

00:58:44.920 Robbie, I watched your video. This is unacceptable. This is clearly not how our AI should operate.

00:58:49.180 We're sorry for the results it shared about you, and the fix we put in place didn't address the

00:58:52.760 underlying problem. I'm working now with our product team to understand how this happened and

00:58:56.820 explore potential solutions, close quote.

00:58:58.420 So credit where it's due, that seems like a genuine response from an executive at Meta.

00:59:02.580 A lot of companies that get sued will stop talking and tell you to talk to their lawyers,

00:59:05.900 but at the same time, Meta is admitting its incompetence. They're acknowledging that their AI is,

00:59:10.460 you know, effectively garbage, I guess. Worse than useless, actually, it's actively defaming people. 1.00

00:59:16.380 And we all know this is happening to more conservatives than Robbie Starbuck.

00:59:20.440 I've never asked Meta AI about myself, but I'm certainly wondering if there'd be a very similar

00:59:25.980 response. So he's just the first person to discover what's happening and report on it.

00:59:30.500 There was also a recent report by 404 Media, which states that Meta AI was allowing users to,

00:59:36.020 quote, create bots that claim they were licensed therapists crossing a troubling ethical boundary

00:59:39.980 that could result in users being given dangerous advice, close quote.

00:59:43.540 So this artificial intelligence is apparently going rampant, you know, running rampant defaming

00:59:49.420 people and impersonating therapists without any safeguards whatsoever. But instead of addressing

00:59:54.980 these complaints in any way or the problems with his AI more generally, Zuckerberg suggests that

01:00:00.220 his AI is reliable enough to help you get through a tough breakup or something. So imagine how that

01:00:06.660 would go. You ask Meta's AI to assess your relationship and the chances that you might end up married

01:00:12.320 one day, then it'll probably respond by accusing your girlfriend of being a terrorist and a Holocaust

01:00:16.640 denier. At least if she's a conservative, it'll do that. So we're truly living in the future.

01:00:22.180 As the interview continued, Zuckerberg outlined his vision for the future of his company's AI. And

01:00:26.920 in the process, the conversation becomes, to my mind, even more unsettling. Watch.

01:00:32.600 There's the stat that I always think is crazy. The average American, I think, has,

01:00:37.240 I think it's fewer than three friends, three people that they'd consider friends. And the average

01:00:42.300 person has demand for meaningfully more. I think it's like 15 friends or something, right? I guess

01:00:48.240 there's probably some point where you're like, all right, I'm just too busy. I can't deal with more

01:00:51.320 people. But the average person wants more connectivity connection than they have. So there's a lot of

01:01:00.020 questions that people ask of stuff like, okay, is this going to replace kind of in-person connections

01:01:08.340 or real life connections? And my default is that the answer to that is probably no. I think it,

01:01:15.280 you know, I think that there are all these things that are better about kind of physical connections

01:01:19.520 when you can have them. But the reality is that people just don't have the connection and they feel

01:01:25.460 more alone a lot of the time than they would like. So I think that a lot of these things that

01:01:31.600 today there might be a little bit of a stigma around, um, I would guess that over time we will

01:01:40.020 find the vocabulary as a society to be able to articulate why that is valuable and why the people

01:01:45.640 who are doing these things are like, why they are rational for doing it and like, and how it is adding

01:01:50.840 value for their, for their lives. But, but also I think that the field is very early.

01:01:54.640 Now, every time I hear these tech overlords talk about, uh, AI, it really disturbs me at kind of a

01:02:02.740 deep visceral level. Uh, these people are, they're very smart on a, on a numbers and data level and

01:02:08.780 they have pioneered really impressive technology. I'll be the first to admit that. If you listen to

01:02:13.760 this whole podcast, you'll come away with that impression. I want to, I don't want to minimize that

01:02:17.820 aspect of their achievement, but at the same time, they have basically zero understanding of human

01:02:22.840 beings and of life and what makes life worth living in the first place. Now, yeah, there are

01:02:29.900 plenty of ways that AI can make our lives better. If, if I ask an AI to spell check a document for me,

01:02:34.940 it'll do it pretty, pretty well. It can translate large amounts of text very quickly. Uh, it can even

01:02:40.640 write code apparently, given that companies like Meta and Microsoft say that AI writes a large portion of

01:02:45.420 the code at the moment, but AI cannot fulfill our deepest spiritual needs like friendship,

01:02:52.840 and love companionship, beauty. That's why I find Zuckerberg's vision here to be so dystopian.

01:02:59.900 That's also why I'm so passionately opposed to AI art of any kind, because it's an attack on the human

01:03:05.820 soul. It's trying to replace the thing that can only be done by people. And if it's not done by a

01:03:12.860 person, it has no value. Art, you know, art, for example, goes from something of immeasurable value

01:03:18.980 to having zero value at all. If it's not done by a person, the whole point of art is that it's

01:03:25.280 a communication. It's someone communicating something that's deep in their soul. And if you

01:03:30.000 take the human soul out of it, it's not anything. It doesn't mean anything. It has no meaning.

01:03:34.060 And the comments you just heard, Zuckerberg sort of acknowledges this to a degree. He admits that AI

01:03:37.800 isn't a true replacement for human contact, but at the same time, he implies that it's better than

01:03:41.920 nothing. He suggests that if somebody has no friends, it's better for them to confide in an AI chatbot

01:03:46.680 than to have no one to talk to at all. This is an approach that, if you haven't noticed, we've seen

01:03:51.620 quite a bit lately. You know, in a way, it's similar to people who are claiming that it's better for

01:03:55.340 children to be adopted by two random gay men rather than spend another day in the foster care system.

01:04:00.140 The line of reasoning is simple. People are in a really bad situation, so rather than fix their

01:04:03.940 situation, rather than fight to give them what every person needs, we should offer them a very

01:04:09.800 disordered alternative to the obvious necessary solution to their problem. That pitch apparently

01:04:15.040 sounds tempting to some people, but if you think about it, telling depressed people with no friends

01:04:19.560 that they should talk to meta AI is a lot like telling them to, you know, do drugs or start drinking

01:04:24.460 alcohol every night. These are cheap attempts to make them feel better without addressing their

01:04:28.860 underlying issue. And the more people become dependent on these cheap attempts,

01:04:33.940 the more likely it is that they'll, the more unlikely it is that they'll actually recover from their

01:04:37.840 problem. I mean, the whole, the whole, if you're lonely, like what that means is you lack human

01:04:43.680 connection. So even if you succeed in making someone, you know, you put an AI in its place,

01:04:50.680 well, they still don't have human connection. So at best, you have made them okay with not having

01:05:01.020 human connection. That's not addressing the problem, which is the lack of the human connection.

01:05:07.220 You know, pornography has obviously caused similar problems for many young men. The availability of

01:05:11.040 instant gratification simply provides an excuse for people to continue languishing away and capable

01:05:15.500 of achieving the things they actually want to achieve. And throughout this entire interview,

01:05:19.220 Zuckerberg doesn't seem to grapple with this problem very much. Instead, he continues a promotional

01:05:23.440 tour for his artificial intelligence and it gets worse as it goes on. Listen.

01:05:26.940 The main thing that I, that I see here is, you know, I think it's kind of crazy that for how

01:05:35.440 important the digital world is in all of our lives, the only way we can access it is through these like

01:05:40.680 physical, you know, digital screens, right? It's like, you, you have like a phone, you have your,

01:05:47.420 your, your computer, you can put a big TV. It's like this huge physical thing. Um,

01:05:53.140 it just seems like we're at the point with technology where the physical and the digital

01:06:00.860 worlds should really be fully blended. And that's what the holographic overlay is allow you to do.

01:06:06.640 Um, but I agree. I think a big part of the design principles around that are going to be, okay,

01:06:12.640 you'll, you'll be interacting with, with people and you'll be able to bring digital artifacts into

01:06:17.780 those interactions and be able to do cool things like very seamlessly. All right. It's like, if I

01:06:23.060 want to show you something here, like here's a screen, okay, here it is. I can show you, you can

01:06:26.600 interact with it. It can be 3d. So he says, it seems like we're at the point where technology,

01:06:32.400 with technology, where the physical and digital world should be really fully blended. And that's

01:06:37.460 what the holographic overlay allows you to do. Now I'll be charitable here, maybe, and assume that

01:06:41.560 Mark Zuckerberg didn't mean the statement totally literally. I'm aware that people can

01:06:45.960 misinterpret or misstate things during an hour long podcast. So we'll maybe pretend that happened

01:06:50.120 here. The alternative is that Mark Zuckerberg actually wants to usher in a dystopian future

01:06:53.580 where there's no distinction between his products and the real world. That's what fully blended would

01:06:58.320 mean. And that is a future that we need to prevent in, in whatever ways are necessary. It's maybe the

01:07:05.360 single most Orwellian quote ever uttered since Orwell. It's, it's actually astonishing that a major

01:07:10.560 technology CEO said this out loud and that there hasn't been really any outrage over it.

01:07:15.400 No, we, we, we do not want the real world and the digital world to be fully blended where there's,

01:07:21.880 where there's, where the two are married and there's no distinction. I think when you're walking

01:07:26.960 around the physical world, like you want to be in the physical world, you don't want it to be

01:07:31.840 enhanced. I mean, what, if you're out in the physical world, looking at the, you know, the ocean or a

01:07:38.120 mountain or looking into your child's eyes, like what, what can the, what can a digital enhancement

01:07:45.100 do for you there? Now, as a human being, you just want to be experiencing what we should be doing

01:07:50.800 is experiencing that moment in the actual world that we live in. I like to think that we will never

01:07:57.380 actually live in a dystopian world where people, I don't know, get married to robots and every new

01:08:03.220 film is generated in two milliseconds by a chat bot. I like to think that AI art and AI companionship

01:08:09.560 will prove too empty and unsatisfying to ever really catch on. In other words, I like to think

01:08:14.840 that the digital and physical worlds will never be fully blended as Mark Zuckerberg puts it. But at

01:08:19.480 the same time, after watching interviews like, like this one, I also think that I may be lying to

01:08:24.560 myself. And that is why Mark Zuckerberg's AI, along with the movement to replace therapists and

01:08:29.800 girlfriends with artificial intelligence, is today canceled. That'll do it for the show today. 1.00

01:08:35.100 Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Have a great weekend. Talk to you on Monday. Godspeed.

The Matt Walsh Show - May 02, 2025

Ep. 1588 - Feminists Are Infiltrating The Conservative Movement

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