Ep. 1628 - REVEALED: The Dark Truth About Becoming An Organ Donor
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New reporting reveals that there are very good reasons to be hesitant about putting your name down as an organ donor on your driver s license. Also, Trump pushes to have the NFL team in Washington change its name back to the Redskins, and a new alleged police brutality case goes viral. We ll take a look at the full context and find out who s really at fault.
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Today on the Matt Wall Show, the conspiracy theorists have been proven right again.
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New reporting reveals that there are very good reasons to be hesitant about putting yourself
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down as an organ donor on your driver's license. Also, Trump pushes to have the NFL team in
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Washington change its name back to the Redskins, and a new alleged police brutality case goes
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viral. We'll take a look at the full context and find out who's really at fault. All that and more
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In every single state in the country, when you go to the DMV to get your driver's license,
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you're asked whether you want to become an organ donor. And this is how the vast majority of people,
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more than 90% of them, end up on the National Registry of Organ Donors. And usually people
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are happy to sign on. It's seen as a pretty unambiguous act of virtue. In fact, it's long
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been seen as the most virtuous act that can possibly take place at a DMV, which admittedly isn't saying
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much. And most people don't really think about it. They just check the box yes on the theory that
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one day if they end up in a horrible accident and they die, then their organs could be used to save
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a life. But if you think about it for a second, as many so-called conspiracy theorists, quote unquote,
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have done over the years, a lot of questions begin to emerge. For one thing, why exactly are we pairing
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organ donation with getting a driver's license? I mean, no other government program works like this,
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even with the motor voter law, there are still a handful of DMVs that don't ask about voter
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registration. Organ donation stands alone as the only issue that every DMV, without exception,
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is fixated on. You know, aside from like actually driving. They're not interested in signing up for
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a gym or helping you file your taxes or making sure you know how to service your car or finding you a
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quality gutter cleaner or any of that. Human organs are the one thing on their mind. There also aren't
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any other major medical decisions that they expect you to make on the spot when you go for your
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driver's license. Like they don't try to upsell you on a root canal or LASIK eye surge or anything
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else. Organ donation, again, stands alone. Now you might say that, well, a lot of people die in car
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accidents and it's good to have a plan B for their organs. So that's not creepy at all. But if that's
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the reason, it's strange that the DMV doesn't pester you to, say, hire an attorney to draft your will
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just in case you die in a horrible car accident. Nor does the DMV bother you to check to see if you
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have good health insurance, which is obviously pretty important if you get into a wreck. The
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DMV doesn't care about any of that. They just want you to sign up to have your organs taken away in
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case you die. Now the legal basis for the DMV's question is found within the Uniform Anatomical Gift
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Act, which was backed by every major medical organization. This law encourages states to add organ
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donors to a national registry. It was first passed in the 60s, but it's been revised several times
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most recently in 2006. And the latest version of law, quote, expanded the list of persons who can
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consent to organ donation on behalf of an individual, gave every individual the opportunity to donate
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the organs at or near death, and stated that individuals who refuse to donate must explicitly state
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that. In other words, because not enough organs were being donated, the law changed from opt-in
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to opt-out. And the legal presumption is that you want to gift your organs to strangers.
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Now, as they watched organ donation become a bigger and bigger priority for the government,
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a small and highly skeptical group of people wondered whether all of these major medical
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organizations and lawmakers might have a conflict of interest. After all, organ transplants are
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extremely lucrative procedures. A double lung transplant can easily cost $2 million. A liver transplant
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can run over a million dollars. Kidney transplants, which are kind of the bargain bin of the organ
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donation world, cost merely hundreds of thousands of dollars. So given all these numbers, it's reasonable
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to ask whether a hospital, when confronted with a seriously ill patient who happens to be an organ
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donor, might have an incentive to murder that patient, or at least let them die, or at least not give them
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all the care that they otherwise would. Like, there's a lot of money on the line. It's certainly
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reasonable to ask what safeguards are in place to prevent something like that from happening exactly.
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Now, go on the website of the Mayo Clinic, which is supposedly the number one hospital in the world,
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and you'll find an entire page that's devoted to reassuring skeptics about organ donation. But the page
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doesn't do a very good job. Instead, it simply states, quote, myth. If I agree to donate my organs,
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the hospital staff won't work as hard to save my life. Fact, when you go to the hospital for
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treatment, the healthcare team tries to save your life, not someone else's. You get the best care
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you can get. Close quote. Well, that's that. The Mayo Clinic promises that you'll get the best care.
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No one in the hospital would ever dream of killing you or letting you die so they can harvest your organs.
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And you'll just have to take their word for it. And if you can't trust the sterling reputation of
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America's leading medical experts, then who can you trust? And you'll notice, of course, that this is a
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common theme in the fact-checking industry. People who are skeptical of the official narrative will
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find that their skepticism is, quote-unquote, debunked by the fact-checkers simply repeating
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the official narrative. As it turns out, though, once again, we have been lied to. And once again,
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the so-called conspiracy theorists were right. At hospitals all over the country, new reporting reveals,
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and there's now a federal investigation being launched into this, to look into this by the
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HHS, this new reporting reveals that patients are indeed being rushed into surgery to remove their
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organs, even when they're still alive. And we're not talking about one or two cases here. This is a
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systemic problem. It's also an inevitable problem, given the way that the incentives have been set up.
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Consider the story of a Kentucky man named T.J. Hoover. Back in 2021, doctors said that he was brain
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dead. They convinced the family to remove his life support so that his organs could be harvested.
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Meanwhile, according to an employee with the organ procurement company named Nicky Martin,
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Hoover was actually displaying signs of life, including tracking with his eyes, moving around,
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trying to pull his tube out, trying to pull his hands away. But the family apparently wasn't told
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about any of those signs of life, and Hoover was ultimately brought to an operating room so that
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his organs could be harvested. But just before his life support was cut off and the surgery began,
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Hoover woke up. And then even after he woke up, the organ harvesters at Kentucky Organ Donor
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Alliances, or CODA, reportedly weren't deterred. The harvesters were still dead set on finding a
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doctor to perform the surgery on this guy who just woke up. That's according to one medical
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professional who was in the operating room with T.J. Hoover. Watch.
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What you are watching is the Honor Walk. It's one of the most revered traditions in a hospital.
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It's when family, friends, and staff all pay their respects as someone is wheeled off to give the
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ultimate gift, donation of their organs. Except this man, T.J. Hoover, was still very much alive.
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So we did track down someone who was in the operating room that day and did see what happened
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firsthand. Her name is Natasha Miller. She's a transplant perfusionist, and I'm driving to see
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her now. From what I understand, he was mouthing the word no and pushing hands away and things like
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Yes, he was very aware. The pronouncing physician comes in, and when she comes in, she walks back
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out and she says, I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this case. I don't feel comfortable.
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The organ coordinator that was there, she steps out to call the supervisor at the time to tell him that
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the pronouncing physician was refusing to do the case. She said that he was yelling at her, telling
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her she needed to find another physician to come, and she's like, there is no one. There's no one else
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Is there any part of this that makes sense to you? Is any part of this defensible?
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No, because it seemed like at first they were saying, well, family, family consented, family consented,
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family consented. And I get that. But again, it seems like family wasn't made fully aware of his
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actual state. None of it makes sense. We should have never went to OR.
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I was a registered organ donor, and I'm not anymore.
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He wasn't supposed to make it a year if he made it.
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For TJ, it's not just about being alive, but living and getting to be a part of these moments,
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The organ harvesting company, COTA, has denied all wrongdoing. They said that they don't get
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any kickbacks when organs are harvested, and they claim that all the procedures were followed.
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But when you listen to the testimony of the former COTA employee who was in the operating room,
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the company's denial isn't exactly convincing. And on top of that, if you can follow procedures
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and still come close to ripping the organs out of a living patient, then obviously the procedures
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need to change. And that shouldn't be controversial in any way to say.
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That's especially true given that as horrible as TJ Hoover's situation was, the organ harvesting
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industry has been involved in operations that are somehow even more horrifying than that.
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In some cases, the mistake wasn't caught in time. We're talking about situations where the
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surgical operation began even though the patient wasn't dead. Last May, for example, a 42-year-old
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woman named Misty Hawkins, who had a lifelong cognitive disability and lived with her mother
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in Alabama, choked on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and ended up in a coma.
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By the time doctors removed the obstruction, she had suffered severe oxygen deprivation and had to
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be hooked up to a ventilator. And that's when the doctors reportedly gave the mother a choice.
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She had 72 hours to decide whether she wanted to terminate life support and donate the organs or
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send her daughter to a nursing home. And the mother decided to let her daughter die on the theory that
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she didn't want her to suffer. And here's what happens next. This is from the New York Times
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In the operating room, a hospital doctor took Ms. Hawkins off the ventilator and gave her drugs for
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comfort. The doctor declared her dead 103 minutes later near the outer limit of organ viability.
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The surgeons entered the room. They began operating after a five-minute waiting period. All circulatory
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death donations require a waiting period to ensure the heart does not restart. Almost immediately,
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they saw Ms. Hawkins' heart moving. Records from the procurement organization also noted
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subsequent gasping respirations, a type of breathing. The surgeon stopped and left the
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room. Another doctor sewed up Ms. Hawkins. It's unclear if she was given any anesthetic.
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Twelve minutes later, she was again declared dead.
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And nobody informed Hawkins' family about any of this, according to the Times.
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They just told the family that her organs turned out to be unusable. It took more than a year for the
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family to learn what had actually happened. And they made the discovery by talking to the
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New York Times. Something similar happened to Hoover's family in Kentucky. For all the respect
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that these hospitals supposedly have for organ donors, they became extremely quiet and secretive
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when things go bad. In Hawkins' case, doctors interviewed by the Times assessed that it was
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all but impossible that her heart restarted after the waiting period. In other words, the doctors were
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probably wrong when they declared that she was dead. It looks a lot like she was alive. And despite that
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inconvenient detail, the doctor started carving her up, presumably without providing anesthetic
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because supposedly this person was dead. And this isn't something you think a hospital could
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possibly mess up, but apparently that's what happened. And again, it's not particularly uncommon.
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There are plenty of cases just like this one. Quoting again from the Times,
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In 2022, when she was 38 and homeless, Ms. Galagos was hospitalized and went into a coma. Doctors at
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Presbyterian Hospital in Albuquerque told her family that she would never recover. On the day of the
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planned donation, Ms. Galagos was taken to a pre-surgery room where her two sisters held her hand.
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A doctor arrived to withdraw life support. Then a sister announced that she had seen Ms. Galagos move.
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The doctor asked her to blink her eyes and she complied. The room erupted in gasps. Still,
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hospital workers said the procurement organization wanted to move forward. A coordinator said it was
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just reflexes and suggested morphine to reduce movements. The hospital refused. Instead, workers
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brought her back to her room and she made a full recovery. Yes, yes. Just seconds before they were
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about to kill this woman and harvest her organs, the family noticed that she was still alive.
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And then even after the family pointed this out, the organ harvesting organization still wanted to cut
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her organs out. And now she's fine. And yet through all of this, no one has been arrested
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or fed to the alligators. No one suffered any consequences at all for trying to harvest the
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organs of a person they knew was alive. Stories like this led the Trump administration to investigate
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the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network, which administers the organ transplant program
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that Congress established. The administration looked into a relatively small number of incidents,
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a total of 351 cases where organ donation was authorized, but ultimately not completed.
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103 cases, 29.3% showed concerning features, including 73 patients with neurological signs
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incompatible with organ donation. At least 28 patients may not have been deceased at the time
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organ procurement was initiated, raising serious ethical and legal questions. Evidence pointed to pure
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neurologic assessments, poor neurologic assessments, lack of coordination with medical teams,
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questionable consent practices, and misclassification of causes of death, particularly in overdose cases.
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Vulnerabilities were highest in small and rural hospitals, indicating systemic gaps in oversight.
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Okay, so to repeat, according to this data, 73 patients had neurological signs incompatible with organ
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donation, and at least 28 patients may not have been deceased at the time organ procurement
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was initiated. And this is just based on an investigation of 351 cases where organ procurement
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was authorized, but not completed. We're not looking at the cases where it was completed.
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In nearly 10% of those cases, and potentially as many as 20% of them, the patient wasn't actually dead.
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Keep in mind, these are the most conservative estimates we have. The real figures are almost certainly
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even worse. Nothing on the Mayo Clinic's webpage on organ donation talks about any of this, nor will
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the DMV inform you of these statistics when you go to renew your license. Instead, as is so often the
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case, the conspiracy theorists on social media will give you more accurate information than official
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expert sources will. Once again, the conspiracy theorists were onto something, just as they were about
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masks and social distancing, COVID shot, Wuhan lab leak, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on.
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This is yet another blow to the credibility of the expert medical establishment, which,
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unlike many of the patients whose organs they want to harvest, has been dead and gone for a very long
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time. The least credible people on the planet have been proven to be liars once again. And that's not
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the only reason that we shouldn't be surprised by these revelations. In every other context, the medical
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industry already treats human beings like lab rats and or commodities. And we've seen this again and
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again with abortion and euthanasia, so-called gender affirming care, and so on. Doctors who don't value
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the dignity of human life will eagerly commit unspeakable horrors in the name of ideology or profit or
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both. And they'll do it without any hint of shame whatsoever. They'll tell anti-lockdown protesters
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to stay home while they encourage BLM rioters to flood the streets. They'll carve up the bodies of
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young children, even as they privately admit that those children can't consent. And as we're seeing
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now, they'll slice open the chest of an organ donor who's not even dead, and then they'll get angry when
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the organ donor wakes up in the middle of the operation. Thanks to a law that's been adopted by every
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state. Your local DMV, you know, the lady at your local DMV wants you to ignore all of this. She wants
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you to believe that really all these incidents aren't a big deal. And I mean, even if they seem
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like outtakes from a Saw movie, we just don't worry about it. Just sign on the dotted line and like any
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good and decent person would, and become an organ donor. After all, how could it possibly be a bad
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idea to be an organ donor? That'd be like saying it's a bad idea to save a helpless puppy, the kind
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they show on TV as that Sarah McLachlan song plays, or at least they used to. And for most
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of this country's history, the DMV lady would have a point, but the DMV lady doesn't have a point
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anymore. Give immoral people a position of power and they'll corrupt everything they can. Put the
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medical industry in the position of taking lives intentionally as they do with abortion,
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euthanasia. You've created all kinds of conflicts of interest already. You've turned the medical
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field into something that doesn't just treat and help people, but in fact, intentionally harms and
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kills them in some cases. They'll turn unambiguous acts of virtue, like agreeing to be an organ donor
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into a catastrophic blunder that can get you murdered in an operating room. That's what the people
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running some of the most powerful hospitals and medical organizations in the country have done
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as a result of their corruption. Uh, here's the stark choice that we're left with. The next time
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we go to the DMV to get our license renewed, we can either make it harder for people to receive organs
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they need, or we can sign a license to have doctors butcher us in the operating room while we're still
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alive. Yeah, those are the choices and there's no good option. That will remain true until the people
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responsible for all these cases I mentioned and many cases I didn't mention are criminally
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investigated and if appropriate, charged for what they've done. There needs to be a full accounting
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here. Absolute transparency is necessary along with actual consequences. And until that time comes,
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no one, especially not the DMV lady should be doing the bidding of these surgeons and organ harvesters.
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The DMV should stick to handing out licenses and doing eye tests and the medical profession for the first
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time in a generation should focus exclusively on helping and treating people instead of wantonly
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results may vary. All right, I've been meaning to mention this and, you know, I've got a few
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things to say about it. President Trump over the weekend launched a pressure campaign to force the
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Washington Commanders football team to change their name back to the Redskins. Fox News has the
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latest. President Donald Trump threw a curveball into the NFL world over the weekend when he,
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that's a mixed metaphor, that's no good, threw a curveball into the NFL world.
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Uh, you can't, that's, that's baseball. That's, that's just, you got to rework the opening
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sentence there. Um, anyway, how about the, he, uh, he did a trick play or, or something like that.
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I don't know. Quarterback sneak. Um, anyway, over the weekend when he threatened to put the
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Washington Commanders RFK stadium site in jeopardy, if they didn't change its name back to the Redskins.
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Um, and he, uh, uh, Trump wrote on Truth Social, the Washington Whatevers should immediately change
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their name back to the Washington Redskins football team. There's a big clamoring for this,
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Trump wrote. Likewise, the Cleveland Indians, one of the six original baseball teams with a storied
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past. Our great Indian people in massive numbers want this to happen. Their heritage and prestige
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is systematically being taken away from them. Times are different now than they were three or
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four years ago. We're a country of passion and common sense owners get it done. Uh, and then
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he followed up later at this. And he was also saying that he's going to, as it said, he's going
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to potentially hold up, um, what's happening with the stadium, uh, the new stadium, if they don't
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get this done. And he says, my statement on the Washington Redskins is totally blown up,
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but only in a very positive way. I may be, I may put a restriction on them if they don't change
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the name back to the original Washington Redskins and get rid of the ridiculous moniker Washington
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commanders. I won't make a deal for them to build a stadium in Washington. The team should be much
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more valuable and the deal would be more exciting for everyone. Uh, okay. So then this was like on
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Sunday, getting into the week, they're talking about this. Now I don't think this is going to
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happen. They, they're not going to change it back to Redskins. Like that's just, it's not going to
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happen. Uh, it just won't. And I will say, you know, I have to say to start with that, look,
00:23:37.880
this whole thing does strike me as a pretty unsubtle attempt to change the subject. Okay.
00:23:44.620
It is, it is hard for me to stomach the idea that, um, Epstein is a boring and unimportant and dumb
00:23:53.420
story as Trump has said, but the name of the football team in Washington isn't boring, dumb,
00:23:59.060
or unimportant. I mean, that's the problem. You can't, you can't come out and say, this is totally
00:24:04.780
ridiculous. Why are we talking about this? It doesn't matter. And then a few days later launch
00:24:09.860
into a series, like spend a day talking about the name of the football team in Washington.
00:24:16.420
How in the world is that important enough, uh, to require the president of the United States to not
00:24:23.340
only speak out about it, but to get involved actively. So that's important enough for that,
00:24:27.840
but not the Epstein files like that. That doesn't make any sense. So when critics claim that this
00:24:32.700
pivot to the Redskins is kind of a ploy to change the subject. Yeah, I think it is just being honest.
00:24:39.620
And I know it's going to annoy some of you that I'm saying that even though, you know, I'm right.
00:24:43.840
It's, it's going to annoy you. Cause like, yeah, yeah, but be a team player. Don't we all know that
00:24:47.660
of course that's what he's doing, but don't say it out loud. Um, but I, I don't, that's a game.
00:24:55.200
I don't play. I don't, I'll be on, I'll, I'll say out loud, whatever I happen to think about a
00:24:58.700
subject and I'm not going to worry about, well, we don't want to say that because we're, we got
00:25:02.200
to think about the strategy. I'll fully admit, I'm not as worried about strategy. I'm just going
00:25:05.620
to tell you what I think, right. That's cause that's what I consider my job to be. And so in
00:25:09.500
this case, yeah, this is a very clearly a, uh, an unsubtle attempt to change the subject and,
00:25:15.880
uh, kind of, kind of clunky and clumsy and it doesn't work. And it's, it's too transparent,
00:25:20.100
you know, so just like strategically, it doesn't work anyway. Um, and I don't even think we should
00:25:26.700
change the subject because I think that the subject of Epstein subject is important. All
00:25:29.700
that said on the merits of, of the case here, I do agree with Trump. I mean, I've been saying
00:25:35.120
this myself since forever. I, I don't, I don't think it's the kind of issue we need the president
00:25:39.100
to be focused on right now, but because it doesn't rise to that level, but I agree in principle
00:25:43.660
that, yeah, the name should not have been changed. Uh, Trump also wants to bring back the
00:25:47.940
Cleveland Indians name. And that's another one that should not have been changed. I agree.
00:25:54.060
Mainly that I wanted to talk about this, this angle for, for a minute. You, uh, cause you hear
00:25:59.800
this kind of argument all the time from the left and somebody posted this. It has like 60,000 likes,
00:26:05.920
10 million views. It's an argument that resonates on the left. You hear this a lot when we talk about
00:26:09.900
the names of teams. And so we'll put that up on the screen. You can see it there. The account is
00:26:16.040
ironically suggesting that rather than change the Cleveland name back to the Indians, we should
00:26:21.500
call the team, the whites and have a mascot of a white guy with a mustache and glasses and a fedora.
00:26:29.660
And so the idea is, is like, well, how would you like this? Oh, you think it's so great to have the
00:26:34.700
Indians as a name? Well, how would you like it? White people? How would you like this? If it was called
00:26:38.680
the whites and the guy who posted this, by the way, is Indian, uh, it looks like feather Indian,
00:26:45.480
American Indian. So the point is that we're supposed to find this really offensive or something
00:26:50.880
as white people. But, but of course, every time the left makes this point, the response for most
00:26:57.200
white people is, uh, hell yeah, that would be awesome. I would totally support a baseball or
00:27:05.360
football team called the whites or the fighting Caucasians or whatever you go. I, yeah, let's do
00:27:12.760
it. Call our bluff. Let's go ahead and do it. How about the great whites? That that's a good one.
00:27:21.380
You know, the team is called the great whites and the mascot is a, is a Caucasian shark. So it's kind
00:27:27.500
of a combination. It could go either way. It's a shark, it's a shark with a fedora and, uh, and a
00:27:34.080
good credit score. That's how you know he's a white shark. He's a shark holding up a paper with
00:27:39.480
an eight 50 credit score. Anyway, um, I'd have no problem with that. But the irony here, the really
00:27:45.240
funny thing is that we all know that if some team did change their name to the whites, which of course
00:27:52.080
would never happen, but if that were to happen, it would not be white conservatives complaining.
00:27:58.160
It would be leftists. Leftists would complain because they would see the team name as a celebration of
00:28:03.260
the white race, which of course isn't allowed. You're not allowed to celebrate white people or,
00:28:07.280
or show that you're in any way proud of them or anything like that. Um, so they would see it as
00:28:13.700
a celebration glorification of the white race. And we all know that it would a hundred percent
00:28:17.860
only be leftists complaining and they would be hysterical about it. I mean, they would be
00:28:25.600
completely hysteric. So we're supposed to believe that if you, if a team changed their name to the
00:28:30.520
whites, that there'd be this hysterical reaction from white conservatives, people like me, that I
00:28:34.760
would be completely offended by it. When in reality it would be, I mean, people on the left, they would
00:28:40.460
be, they would actually be rioting in the street. They would storm the stadium. Okay. And burn it.
00:28:46.060
If that were to ever happen, they would be, you know, apoplectic with rage. Absolutely. We,
00:28:50.520
and again, we all know that. And yet when a team is named after Indians, they, they, so in that
00:28:57.960
case, they would be offended because they'd see, Oh, well that's, you're celebrating white people.
00:29:01.020
We can't do that. But then if you name it team after the Indians, they don't see that as a
00:29:04.840
celebration. They see that as an attack on Indians rather than a celebration or glorification of
00:29:08.700
them. But it is in fact the latter. And that's, that's like, when you name a team, that's why
00:29:14.440
nobody, you name a team after something that you admire, something you think is good, something you
00:29:19.780
think is, uh, uh, you know, something that, that has some, uh, gravitas to it. That's why you name the
00:29:27.020
team after them. That's why you're never going to have a football team called the, whatever,
00:29:31.820
the Philadelphia wimps or something. Um, it's always something that has, you know, it's the
00:29:38.620
Eagles, right? It's like something, um, when you name it after animals, you name it after animals that
00:29:44.720
are, that, that we think of as like strong. Right. So, but when it comes to the Indians, that's how
00:29:52.400
they see it. So, so what's the moral of the story? Well, they'll complain no matter what,
00:29:56.600
that's the moral. And their victim narrative is always vindicated no matter what in, in their
00:30:02.320
minds, their victim narrative always, uh, is always proven correct no matter what happens.
00:30:11.720
All right. The recount has this viral video from a town hall in Jonesboro, Tennessee, where a, um,
00:30:18.540
a woman claims that she was the victim of Christian extremism at her OBGYN, which you gotta, you gotta
00:30:25.580
watch out for that Christian extremism. Um, so a little background here, Tennessee recently passed
00:30:32.740
a bill called the Medical Ethics Defense Act. And the point of this legislation is to protect medical
00:30:38.720
providers from being forced to be involved in or administer procedures that contradict their
00:30:44.340
religious and their moral beliefs. Um, namely, most obviously, this is about making sure that
00:30:50.620
medical providers aren't forced against their will to participate in abortions or quote unquote,
00:30:55.660
gender affirming care or that sort of thing. That's why you need the legislation. Well, this woman says
00:31:02.340
that she has fallen victim to this legislation. And this is the, it's kind of like when, when these kinds
00:31:11.260
of bills are proposed or when they're passed, uh, the left will talk about all these wild sort of worst
00:31:17.800
case scenarios that might occur if we allow people to have this kind of freedom. And then what do you
00:31:24.560
know? This woman comes along and says that she had one of those worst case scenario type things happen to
00:31:29.600
her. This has been picked up by multiple media outlets, all reporting it uncritically, of course, as though it's a
00:31:35.260
verified fact, even though it isn't, there's nothing verified here at all. But anyway, here's what she had to
00:31:40.140
say. Listen, I just found out that I'm pregnant again. Um, I've been with my partner for about 15
00:31:49.200
years, though we're not married. I just had my first visit. Um, and that provider told me that thanks
00:31:56.020
to that act, they were not comfortable treating me because I am an unwed mother and that goes against
00:32:01.740
their Christian values. Um, I, I'm lucky enough to live in a part of the state where I can seek care
00:32:12.300
across state lines. And that's what I'm doing, traveling to Virginia, traveling to Virginia for
00:32:18.360
my prenatal care, scared out of my mind that I will go into labor and not be able or have to deliver
00:32:24.860
in this state with a provider who feels that child's life is more valuable than mine. Um, while we do love
00:32:32.920
and want this child, I also have a 13 year old and I can't leave her behind. Um, I call Marsha's office
00:32:39.920
office twice a day. I am either, I'm either blocked or she has all calls going directly to voicemail.
00:32:49.600
I've never even reached a staffer. Um, and when I contacted Bill Haggerty's office, I was told that
00:32:55.740
he's not obligated to listen to his constituents. Um, love that. Okay. So she claims that her OBGYN
00:33:04.920
refused her care because she's an unwed mother. And then she claims that she tried to contact her
00:33:12.560
Senator's office, Bill, uh, you know, Bill Haggerty, Senator Haggerty, and was told, quote,
00:33:19.420
the Senator isn't obligated to listen to his constituents. Gasps, gasps from the crowd.
00:33:27.060
Now, first of all, I flat out don't believe any part of this story. I just don't believe it.
00:33:30.860
And that's where I'm at with, you know, people like this making any, any, any claim. I have,
00:33:38.320
this is where I've been for a long time. I just don't believe you, but I don't, I just don't
00:33:42.080
believe it. Well, how could you say that? I just don't, I don't believe anything you say. I think
00:33:46.780
you're a liar. I think you're a pathological liar. I think if you're a left-wing activist,
00:33:51.240
you're a pathological liar. I think you lie about everything. I don't trust anything you say.
00:33:55.320
Anything you tell me about something that happened in your personal life, especially something that
00:33:58.700
conveniently helps to prove some sort of point that you want to make. I just don't believe it.
00:34:03.280
And I don't even care what it is. I don't care if you told me that you had, you know,
00:34:07.220
a toast for breakfast this morning. I just don't believe it. I'm going to assume you're lying about
00:34:11.000
that. I don't believe anything you say ever about anything. Uh, so I will just flat out to your face
00:34:15.960
say, yeah, I think you're a liar. I, I think you're full of crap. I think you're lying. And, uh,
00:34:21.040
so that's the problem here. I just don't believe it.
00:34:23.180
Starting, starting at the end and working backwards, I guarantee that Senator Haggerty's
00:34:28.840
office did not say to her when she called, Oh, well, he's not obligated to listen to his
00:34:35.080
constituents. You pee on. He doesn't have to listen to the likes of you. Uh, that's not,
00:34:42.140
no, that is not how the conversation went. I a hundred percent guarantee that's not how the
00:34:46.400
conversation went. I guarantee that quote was not said, guarantee it. Uh, I don't know how it went.
00:34:51.460
I wasn't there. I just guarantee that that wasn't it. That was not said. So what actually was said,
00:34:56.720
like they said something else and then she interpreted it as, Oh, so you're saying that
00:35:01.660
he's not, he doesn't have to listen to me, but that's not what she said. And, uh, more importantly,
00:35:07.460
I don't believe that she was refused care because she's an unwed mother. I don't believe that to begin
00:35:13.340
with. That is not what Christian teaching dictates. There's nothing in the Bible or Christian
00:35:18.260
teaching that would prevent an OBGYN from giving care to an unwed mother. Quite the opposite.
00:35:23.960
In fact, quite the opposite. Um, this woman, I mean, this is, if you're a, uh, any, any mother is
00:35:33.480
wed or not wed, uh, Christians believe that, that, you know, you, you should get medical care.
00:35:41.200
And, uh, particularly if you're an unwed mother and this case, she's a whack job liberal, uh, and
00:35:49.280
you're, you are going to, and you're not going to kill your baby, you know, you're going to allow
00:35:55.940
your child to be born. Well, then certainly we want to encourage that and, uh, and give you all the,
00:36:04.340
I mean, that's why there's, uh, you know, pregnancy resource centers, Christian pro-life
00:36:10.160
pregnancy resource centers all over the country that are giving care to very often unwed mothers.
00:36:18.700
So this woman is revealing the basic misunderstanding. It's very common on the left,
00:36:24.900
the, the distinction they fail to grasp, but whichever Christian I know grasps perfectly well.
00:36:30.720
There's this basic distinction that I've, I've never met a Christian who doesn't understand this
00:36:34.040
distinction. It's like second nature to us. Uh, but, but the, the left, they don't,
00:36:39.880
they really struggle with it. They don't get it, which is what tells me this story is from her own
00:36:44.580
imagination. And the distinction is between the person and the act, the sin and the sinner,
00:36:52.700
right? As Christians, we cannot participate in an immoral act. That doesn't mean that we can't help
00:37:01.360
or serve those who commit immoral acts. Going back to the gay wedding cake example,
00:37:08.460
there's nothing preventing a, and this is a point made a million times about that particular case
00:37:12.740
or cases like it. It's always left wing activists who, who don't understand or pretending they don't
00:37:17.900
understand this distinction. There's nothing preventing a Christian baker from selling cupcakes
00:37:23.720
or muffins, or even a cake or any kind of baked good, uh, or anything else to a gay couple.
00:37:30.480
Right. If you're a Christian baker and a gay couple comes in and says, we'd like two cupcakes,
00:37:35.040
please. You, you, there's nothing at all that would prevent you, uh, morally or, um, you know,
00:37:42.300
theologically from selling them the cupcake. All right. That's, that's fine. But if you want me
00:37:48.920
to bake a cake specifically for an event celebrating a gay wedding, a gay quote unquote wedding, well,
00:37:58.860
now you're asking me to participate in the event. And I can't do that. I can, I can sell you baked goods,
00:38:07.620
but I can't participate in this event. So that's the distinction. An OBGYN who delivers care to an
00:38:18.360
unwed mother is not participating in, or in any way condoning the fact that she is unwed.
00:38:25.200
I've, I've, I've never met again, a Christian who doesn't understand this distinction. It's like
00:38:31.180
very, it's ingrained in us. I think it should be ingrained in any person, any rational person should
00:38:37.720
be, but, but in particular with Christians, this is, uh, this is kind of, this is ingrained in us
00:38:43.040
from, from, you know, the youngest ages, but this is a distinction that mystifies the left. They just
00:38:49.100
don't get it. And I said, I think it's just to some extent, there's this intentional obtuseness.
00:38:54.360
They're pretending they don't understand it. But I think a lot of them really don't understand it.
00:38:57.660
There really is this conceptual, they, they just, they don't get it going back again, back to the
00:39:02.800
gay. Like they, they can't, they, they can't understand that. Oh, I can, as the baker, I can sell
00:39:09.880
you a cupcake, but I can't, I can't custom make you a gay wedding cake. Um, they just, they can't,
00:39:17.760
they can't wrap their heads around that. They don't understand the difference between those
00:39:21.360
two things. Uh, so this is a story that kind of hinges on this misunderstanding, which tells me
00:39:27.140
that it comes from the left, not from a Christian. All that said, you know, when somebody brings up
00:39:32.460
their personal life in public, they invite the rest of us to make judgments about it.
00:39:38.700
If you bring up your personal life in public, you talk about your personal life,
00:39:41.840
then I am free to form an opinion about that fact because like any fact that you bring to my
00:39:49.220
attention, I can form an opinion about that's my right as an American. It's also, it's also
00:39:53.540
unavoidable. It's, it's, it's natural. I'm a human being. I have a mind. I can't help but form opinions.
00:39:59.640
I can't help but having a perspective on anything I'm aware of, right? As a conscious human being.
00:40:06.760
So, so if you don't want, if you don't want other people to have opinions about your personal life,
00:40:12.960
then don't tell them about it. The moment you tell them any detail about your personal life,
00:40:18.280
they're going to have an opinion about it. And if you're presenting that opinion, this,
00:40:23.220
this fact about yourself publicly, that not only do everyone, does everyone else have an opinion
00:40:27.000
about it now? Cause you told them, but it's perfectly reasonable for them. And they certainly
00:40:30.700
have every right to say that opinion publicly about your personal life.
00:40:36.760
And so I will speak about this woman. I don't know her name, but whoever she is,
00:40:40.260
I'm going to speak about your personal life. Uh, it is ridiculous that you have been with someone
00:40:46.400
for 15 years and have two kids and are not married. That is ridiculous. That's shameful.
00:40:50.720
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's wrong. It is a shameful fact about you that you have chosen
00:40:56.020
to share with the world and you've chosen to share it because you're trying to make some kind of
00:41:00.220
political point. And so I'm going to share back with you the fact that that is shameful and
00:41:05.260
ridiculous and you should be embarrassed. You should be embarrassed of that. Uh, that is unfair
00:41:09.860
to your children among other things by not getting married. All you're doing is telling your kids
00:41:17.060
that you make no promises that you give no assurances that their family will stay intact.
00:41:21.600
You are injecting anxiety and uncertainty into their lives. It's such a fundamental level
00:41:26.720
that you are harming them. You are doing grave, deep harm to your children, uh, this way.
00:41:34.360
So, you know, if the OBGYN told you that, then, uh, then they were right. Although I think the rest
00:41:43.280
of the story is completely made up. Uh, all right, let's move now to the comment section.
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That's policygenius.com slash Walsh. Import Somalians and they will create Somalia. It's amazing how
00:43:21.060
many people don't understand this reality. Well, yeah, and one of the reasons why people don't
00:43:25.000
understand it is that they've been brought up on the lie that all these dysfunctional third world
00:43:28.820
countries are only dysfunctional third world countries because they've been victimized by white
00:43:32.560
Western countries. And the reality is that one way or another, the people of a country will create
00:43:39.240
their country. Every country is a product of its people. So why is Somalia the way it is? Because
00:43:46.900
of Somalis, you know? And if you really love Somalia and thinks it's a great country, then you
00:43:53.340
shouldn't take that as an insult. You should be proud of that. But of course, you know, everyone
00:43:58.160
wants to have it both ways. These Somali immigrants who come here, they want to have it both ways.
00:44:01.660
And so they want to say that I'm so proud of my homeland. It's such a great place. Uh, but then
00:44:06.880
if I, if I, if they hear me say this or anyone else say, well, Somali is the way it is because of,
00:44:11.740
uh, because of Somalis, they'll say, oh, it's not our fault. This is all, it's all white Western
00:44:16.600
colonizers. But I thought you said you're proud of it. Aren't you proud of it?
00:44:22.480
It doesn't sound like you're proud of it, right? Trying to, um, deflect the, the, the blame
00:44:32.720
for why it ended up the way it did. It tells me that you are fundamentally not proud of this
00:44:38.200
country. And that's just the way it goes. Countries, people create countries and, uh, countries
00:44:44.120
are a reflection of their people. Um, and that's, you know, the, the only thing that can really
00:44:49.840
upend that formula is if you start importing people and mass from other countries into a
00:44:55.660
country, uh, which is what we've done here. But even then, I would say it's our, that we
00:45:02.920
as people, as Americans, it's up to us to, to speak out against this, put a stop to this,
00:45:09.960
to elect people who are going to stop it. Like we have, we have to fight back against this.
00:45:13.620
Um, the fact that a Somalian migrant can even legally run for mayor of Minneapolis shows how
00:45:21.420
far from our founding we have come. Yeah. I think, I think technically the guy was born in DC or
00:45:26.920
something, but I agree with your overall point. I think certainly for, for federal elected office,
00:45:32.000
certainly for fed, and you could certainly, and you can make an argument for mayors. You can make
00:45:35.940
an argument for any elected office, but without a doubt, federal elected office, national office,
00:45:41.680
we should only allow people who were born here to run and to hold those offices.
00:45:48.900
Uh, I didn't realize George Floyd was buried in a golden coffin. So I Googled it. It costs around
00:45:52.620
$25,000. It's plated with 14 karat gold. He was the third person to be buried in this particular
00:45:57.240
model of coffin after Michael Jackson and James Brown. Oh yeah. I remember it. Well, a golden casket
00:46:04.920
for a career criminal and drug addict. This is just one of those things that, um, uh, you know, our
00:46:14.580
grandchildren, my, my grandchildren are gonna, you tell them about that or it's that image of a golden
00:46:22.060
casket with this career criminal scumbag in it. And the mayor of the city on his knees before the
00:46:31.980
casket weeping, it's like, well, I'll say this. I hope it is my prayer that my grandchildren, when
00:46:41.360
they see an image like that, they'll be completely confounded by it. They'll be totally shocked and
00:46:46.760
confused because the other option is that they see that image and they go, yeah, well figures. Cause
00:46:53.160
look at how the country is now. Matt, I agree with you about monogamy over polygamy, but the problem
00:46:59.140
with you and other conservatives since is that you refuse to talk about the problems with women
00:47:03.220
and you won't defend the patriarchy. So your take is toothless and weak. That's why men listen to
00:47:08.120
Andrew Tate, not you. Yeah. You know, I hear this criticism, uh, and it just goes to show that so many
00:47:14.980
of my critics aren't criticizing me. They're not, they're criticizing what they think a guy like me
00:47:21.000
would say or would not say that is, that explains so much. And I'm not saying I'm ever validly
00:47:28.540
criticized. There's plenty of things you could criticize me for legitimately, but so much of
00:47:32.960
the criticism I do receive, particularly from the rights, from other people on the right. So much of
00:47:40.180
that is not actually a criticism. It's a criticism of what they think, what they assume I must say or must
00:47:48.420
not say, right? Because this rebuttal, which I've heard a lot this week and I hear in general is a total
00:47:56.420
fantasy. It may not be a fantasy for other conservative commentators. I agree. So it's true that you can
00:48:06.560
find other conservative commentators and commentators in general who are very willing to talk about the
00:48:11.700
duties of men and responsibilities of men, but they'll never put the shoe on the other foot. They'll never talk
00:48:17.700
about women, what women should do. They won't criticize feminism. Certainly. Uh, they definitely
00:48:23.100
won't, won't defend the patriarchy. They won't defend gender roles. The idea that men are meant to
00:48:28.620
do certain things. Women are meant to do certain, you know, so, so that's true of plenty of, of people.
00:48:34.720
It's not true of me though. That's not the case for me. Like you really think I'm afraid to attack
00:48:42.240
feminism to call women out, defend the patriarchy, defend, uh, uh, male headship, male leadership in
00:48:51.280
the home. I do it all the time, all the, just spend five minutes on YouTube looking for segments
00:48:57.600
where I call out women and feminism and I defend male leadership and male headship in the home.
00:49:02.700
Where I talk about, uh, the, the need for respect from women to their husbands and what happens when men
00:49:13.700
are not respected in their own home. Spend just before you accuse me for anyone accuses me of, well, you
00:49:21.000
don't, you ignore this part of the problem. Just, it just five minutes, just give, because if you're going to
00:49:26.540
spend a couple of minutes writing something or, or, or criticizing me, I think it's fair to say, just, just five
00:49:32.040
minutes, just, just go to Google, YouTube, just take a look at what I've said about those subjects.
00:49:37.600
And you're going to find like collectively hours of footage of me talking about this.
00:49:43.780
Uh, I do it all the time. I got no problem doing it. Go back.
00:49:47.640
Just like I was just a couple of months ago, I did a big monologue, uh, where I was criticizing
00:49:52.380
Megan, some of what Megan Kelly has said about men. And from my perspective, putting the blame on men
00:49:59.060
too much. And that was a whole thing, not just one day. It was like a whole, it was a whole thing.
00:50:03.820
So you can go back, go back and listen to that monologue and what I say there. So
00:50:06.500
the problem is that I can't talk about everything. Every time I talk about anything. Okay. This is
00:50:14.740
so, so when I'm choosing to speak about a certain subject, I, I can't say literally everything about
00:50:23.580
it because then every show would be 57 hours long. So all we can do just if you, if you see a tweet of
00:50:32.040
mine, or you listen to a monologue, or particularly if you listen to a clip of a monologue and you hear
00:50:38.440
what I'm saying, or you see what I wrote, you can't assume that that's all I've ever said on the subject
00:50:44.600
or all I think that needs to be said about it. It's just what I'm saying right now on this
00:50:49.520
particular topic, focusing on this particular angle. Um, so finally Captain Planet used to
00:51:00.340
piss my dad off so much. Now I understand why. Yeah. My, my parents had a whole bunch of shows in
00:51:06.020
the nineties that they wouldn't let us watch. And I don't even remember all of them, but there was
00:51:11.980
plenty of shows, plenty of shows we were able to watch, but there were also plenty of shows that,
00:51:16.480
you know, all my friends were watching and I, I, you know, we were not allowed to watch them.
00:51:22.680
And I've had the same realization as an adult that many times over that, uh, I get it as a child.
00:51:30.900
I hated it. Right. I hated that. Whatever. All, all my friends in fifth grade loved, uh, Ren and Stimpy
00:51:39.160
on Nickelodeon. And for my parents, no, you're not watching that. You're not watching that garbage.
00:51:45.100
So that I found that very annoying at the time. I definitely get it now. And usually when my dad
00:51:50.760
would ban us from watching a show, it wasn't because he was saying the show was necessarily
00:51:56.500
intrinsically evil or satanic or something. It was usually that he would walk into the room
00:52:01.840
and we would be watching a show and he would stand there. And it's always made us nervous when he
00:52:12.660
would like, if he walked into the room, we're watching a show and he would just glances over
00:52:17.900
and then leaves the room. It's like, okay, fine. But if he stops and watches for about 30 seconds,
00:52:24.040
then we're all nervous. Then we're like, okay, now this, this is going to be, because what we know is
00:52:28.180
he's not going to watch it for 30 seconds ago. This is a great show. I really liked this. Uh,
00:52:31.960
no, what would usually happen is he'd watch it for 30 seconds and then he'd go, what is this crap?
00:52:35.260
Turn this off. No, you're not watching this anymore. And then based on that, based on 30
00:52:40.080
seconds, we would never be allowed on our television ever again, based on a 30 second glimpse of whatever
00:52:45.140
the show happened to be. And, uh, I totally get it now. I complete, I do the exact same thing
00:52:50.220
with my kids. I, I just did it the other day. We've been, we've been staying at a place
00:52:55.660
this summer that has cable that has basic cable and which is, which is an interesting experience
00:53:01.780
blast from the past. And so my kids, the younger ones, they were watching bluey. Um, and blue is a
00:53:08.940
great, a great show for kids. I certainly approve of blue. I think it's a good quality show for
00:53:14.580
children, but then another show came on after it. And I don't even know what it was, but I, I walked
00:53:21.320
into the room. I still don't know what it was. I watched it for a few seconds and I did the same
00:53:28.240
thing. I was like, what is this? Turn this off. Oh, why? But dad, we liked it. Don't you want to
00:53:34.320
watch more of the show? No, I don't just, you're never, you're not watching that again. We're done
00:53:38.220
with that. Why? Because, because the glimpse was enough for me to know that this is a really dumb
00:53:45.940
and obnoxious and just kind of ugly show ugly. It's like the animation is ugly. It's dumb. It's
00:53:51.720
obnoxious. And I, and I, I, in this case, I didn't even notice anything particularly morally
00:53:58.020
objectionable. I just don't watch. I don't want my kids watching dumb, obnoxious things. I don't need
00:54:02.400
you as a child sitting there, right? With hypnotized silently staring at this screen while there's
00:54:11.320
dumb, obnoxious things being injected right into your brain. I just don't need that. I don't need
00:54:19.140
that for you. You don't need that. Turn it off. Go play outside. Uh, so yeah, I totally get all that
00:54:26.760
now. And I would assume every parent does this, but then I hear from, whenever I say this, I hear
00:54:33.320
from parents that say, well, how could you, how could you do that? Could you stop your child from
00:54:38.860
watching something they want to watch? It's like, I don't know. Uh, probably about 95% of the shows
00:54:46.640
on TV or on streaming, uh, even the kids shows, I'm not gonna let my kids watch. And again, most of it
00:54:54.340
is not because it's woke or whatever. Although there's plenty of the woke stuff. They can't watch
00:54:57.960
that. Most of it is just, this is dumb and obnoxious and that's all. And you don't need to
00:55:02.940
spend your time watching something dumb and obnoxious. Read a book, go play outside.
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cancellation. Well, we have another alleged police brutality case for the Daily Cancellation today.
00:57:20.800
This week, there has been lots of outrage over a video of William McNeil Jr., 22 years old,
00:57:25.600
getting his window broken and receiving a swift punch in the face during a traffic stop. As the
00:57:30.080
story goes, McNeil's only crime was failing to have his headlights on during the day. And the story was
00:57:35.840
accompanied by this video, which, as per tradition, only shows the alleged quote-unquote brutality,
00:57:41.040
but none of the events leading up to it. Here it is. When he pulled me over, he walked up. I opened
00:57:46.720
my door because my window don't work, right? And then I said, so what I did wrong? He said,
00:57:52.320
well, for one, your headlights are off under this weather. I'm like,
00:57:58.000
there's multiple people's headlights off, first of all. And then there's no rain.
00:58:02.880
It doesn't matter. You're still required to have headlights on.
00:58:06.640
Can you pull that low up? Huh? Can you pull that low up? Yeah,
00:58:09.280
when you step out of the car, I will. Can you pull that? Can you call your supervisor?
00:58:14.800
Can you call your supervisor? All right, go for it.
00:58:20.240
Exit the vehicle now. Exit the vehicle. Show me your hands. Here.
00:58:26.880
So we see him sitting in his car, his window is smashed, and then he gets hit in the face,
00:58:30.320
then he's dragged out of the car and arrested. Based on this video, the race hustlers have gone
00:58:34.560
to work, hysterically shrieking and saying all the things you expect them to say. Speaking of
00:58:38.480
things you expect, ambulance chasing parasite Ben Crump parachuted onto the scene and is now
00:58:43.680
representing McNeil. Crump put out a statement saying that, quote, what happened to William McNeil
00:58:48.080
Jr. is a disturbing reminder that even the most basic rights, like asking why you've been pulled over,
00:58:52.080
can be met with violence for black Americans. McNeil was calm and compliant,
00:58:55.440
yet instead of answers, he got his window smashed and was punched in the face.
00:59:00.320
Now, not to spoil the ending here, but as anyone with an IQ above single digits already assumes,
00:59:04.240
Crump is flat out lying. We'll get back to that in a moment. But first, here's the latest on this
00:59:09.600
case from Fox News. Quote, police in Jacksonville, Florida are investigating a viral video in which
00:59:13.680
an officer is seen punching a male driver in the face during a traffic stop. Footage that began
00:59:17.200
circulating on social media over the weekend showed William McNeil Jr. staring at the camera on February 19th,
00:59:22.320
as an officer is seen smashing his driver's side window and demanding that he exit the vehicle now.
00:59:26.720
The officer then strikes him in the face before he dragged out of the car. Quote,
00:59:30.240
in my direction, the agency immediately began both a criminal and administrative review of the
00:59:33.760
officer's actions. These administrative reviews are ongoing, but the state attorney's office has
00:59:37.520
determined that none of the involved officers violated criminal law. Jacksonville Sheriff T.K.
00:59:42.000
Waters said Monday, while releasing a longer body cam video of the incident, Waters said the
00:59:46.960
arresting officer involved in the incident, whom he identified as D. Bowers, has been stripped of his law
00:59:51.760
enforcement authority pending the outcome of the administrator review. So the officer has been
00:59:58.480
relieved of his duty while they review the case, but they've already said that no crime occurred here,
01:00:03.200
on the part of the officer at least. They also released, as you heard, the body cam footage,
01:00:08.160
which shows the whole interaction. Because it turns out that if you see a short clip of an altercation
01:00:12.480
that only shows the moment that the altercation turns violent without any of the lead up to contextualize
01:00:17.040
it, then you don't and can't really understand what happened and who is at fault. This is a lesson
01:00:24.000
that every rational person in the country should have learned by now. In fact, you should have
01:00:28.640
learned it about a thousand times over. But unfortunately, there are a lot of irrational
01:00:32.880
people out there, so, and dishonest people. So here is the body cam footage. And as you watch this,
01:00:38.080
remember that Ben Crump said that McNeil was perfectly compliant. So watch this and tell me
01:00:43.200
if compliant is the word you would use to describe it.
01:00:50.480
Is there a reason why you're popping the door open like that?
01:00:52.080
Yeah, I don't have a window if that works. Is there a reason that you're pulling me over?
01:00:55.600
Yeah, absolutely there's a reason why I'm pulling you over. For one thing, inclement weather,
01:00:59.440
you don't have your lights on. Two things, you're not wearing your seatbelt.
01:01:01.600
It's daylight. I don't need the lights. And it's not raining. It's not raining.
01:01:05.600
Okay, I'm not arguing with you. I'm telling you why I'm pulling you over.
01:01:08.320
Give me your driver's license, registration, and proof of insurance.
01:01:17.520
25 seconds. For 94, the driver just slammed the door and locked it.
01:01:25.440
I've already told you. Right now you're under arrest for resisting. Sir, this is your last warning to
01:01:30.480
open the vehicle and exit before we're going to break the window. Open the door and exit or we are going to
01:01:34.880
break the window. Open the door and exit or we are going to break the window. Open the door and exit.
01:01:39.680
You are under arrest for resisting. Open the door and exit. You are under arrest for resisting.
01:01:46.000
Open the door and exit. You are under arrest for resisting. I'm about to break the window.
01:01:55.520
exit the vehicle now exit the vehicle what is your reason
01:02:05.360
right compliant sure uh just for review mcneil was pulled over because he didn't have his seat
01:02:18.760
belt on and he didn't have his headlights on it's daylight but the officer says that it's
01:02:22.480
inclement weather you can see in the background that it's overcast mcneil refuses to provide his
01:02:26.720
license and registration he argues with the police officer refuses to get out of the car then he shuts
01:02:30.740
and locks the car door compliant we're told saying no and locking your door is compliance
01:02:38.240
mcneil is then told to exit the vehicle seven times seven times count them and only after the
01:02:44.560
seventh command do the officers finally break the window they then pull him out of the vehicle and
01:02:50.180
they arrest him and after searching his car by the way they find marijuana which is another detail
01:02:54.280
that the outrage mob and race hustlers fail to mention now i know that you know you're expecting
01:02:59.600
me to side with the police in this case and to display no sympathy at all for poor william mcneil
01:03:06.200
jr and if that's what you're expecting well i'm here to tell you that you are exactly right uh i will
01:03:11.200
have no surprises for you today i have zero sympathy for this guy i'm on the cop side entirely the entire
01:03:17.220
thing was mcneil's fault every step of the way including the punch of the face which he richly
01:03:22.160
deserved yes he did the punches it's the only thing that you could even begin to argue might have
01:03:29.300
been excessive and even if it was it's like it's nobody okay there's a punch in the face he's fine
01:03:34.740
he didn't go to the hospital he's fine i would still give the cop even if i thought the punch was
01:03:39.120
totally out of line definitely wrong i would still say all right fine so give the cop a slap on the wrist
01:03:44.460
put him on a desk for a day and then send him back out it's fine and if mcneil's crying about it i
01:03:50.940
would still say like get over it okay just get over it but despite what you may have heard from all
01:03:55.860
the legal experts on social media police are allowed to legally use that kind of force when
01:03:59.940
they're trying to gain compliance from somebody who's resisting like actually yeah they are allowed
01:04:04.600
to punch you in the face i mean you could complain about it it shouldn't be that way but they
01:04:08.800
can they're allowed to do that but they don't have free reign to do it whenever they want they
01:04:13.360
can't just walk up to you on the street and punch you in the face for no reason but in the process of
01:04:17.140
trying to gain compliance they are allowed to do that and here's the thing you notice in the clip
01:04:21.720
it worked okay mcneil refused to cooperate through the entire interaction and then he got punched in the
01:04:28.000
face and it's i mean it's it's comical actually is the moment he got punched in the face he immediately
01:04:33.520
started obeying the mo he's sitting there he's a tough guy right he's not listening seven commands
01:04:40.360
doesn't listen they break the window still doesn't listen then he gets punched in the face and they
01:04:46.320
say put the hands up and he goes right away puts the hand up why is that because there are some people
01:04:51.140
who just won't listen until they get smacked uh it's human nature i you know and in fact there's a
01:04:59.160
quote from the from the sheriff that we didn't play but where he says that look sometimes it's an ugly
01:05:04.540
thing like sometimes dealing with non-compliant people dealing it's like it can be ugly to see
01:05:10.000
and it might upset you a little bit might make your tummy hurt you didn't say this part of it but to
01:05:14.000
see someone get punched in the face but that's just yeah sometimes it gets a little bit ugly like
01:05:19.100
that's just that's the reality that's human nature cops deal with these kinds of people every day
01:05:23.540
and william mcneil is one of them but the punch was the result of a series of events that led up to
01:05:29.980
it and let's go back and talk about those events mcneil was pulled over lawfully for failing to
01:05:34.840
have his headlight on during uh headlights on during inclement weather and you could see that
01:05:39.920
it's overcast likely rainy and that means according to the law yeah if it's if it's in in most states
01:05:47.600
probably all of them i don't know uh in florida anyway if it's if it's overcast and it's kind of
01:05:53.020
raining off and on you're supposed to have your headlights on now have we all been guilty of
01:05:59.060
driving without our headlights during the daylight when it's overcast sure i've done it many times
01:06:03.480
is it uh annoying to get pulled over for that reason yeah was the officer officer being sort of
01:06:10.740
overly scrupulous and pedantic by trying to enforce this law sure fine and you know most of us have been
01:06:18.600
there i got pulled over for going nine miles over the speed limit a little while ago people go nine
01:06:23.360
miles over the speed limit all the time don't get pulled over i go nine miles over limit all the time
01:06:26.560
i go i go much more than nine miles over the limit i'm ashamed to admit and usually don't get pulled
01:06:31.460
over but this time i did that's just the way it goes just the way it goes sometimes they get i i assume
01:06:40.300
you know i i'm i'm willing to bet probably that this that that william mcneil is probably like he
01:06:47.600
doesn't he's driven many times in overcast doesn't put his headlights on and doesn't get pulled over
01:06:52.040
probably the first time it ever happened which also by the way cuts against the idea that oh
01:06:56.920
it's because i'm black well yeah but you as a black man have probably done this a million times
01:07:01.020
and not gotten pulled over this time you did but you were black all those other times too and you
01:07:05.540
didn't get pulled over then so there must be some other explanation as to why this time you did
01:07:09.060
and look when you get pulled over for the ticky tack reason which has happened to all of us
01:07:16.660
it's not an experience exclusive to black people um when that happens it's annoying you have two
01:07:22.500
choices one option which is the one that i chose and i've chosen i choose every time i've got pulled
01:07:28.120
over for seat belts before i've gotten pulled over for uh you know various headlight and a brake light
01:07:34.680
out i mean things like that um and so the first option the one that i've always chosen in these
01:07:41.880
situations when they happen doesn't happen often but when they do is to be respectful and compliant
01:07:46.220
and not argumentative and what's likely to happen if you choose that path is that you get a warning and
01:07:54.360
that's it like if william mcneil had just rolled down his window or he claims he couldn't roll down
01:08:00.300
because it was broken i don't believe that but fine he opens the door and and he said oh you didn't
01:08:04.440
have the lights on he says oh i didn't realize i didn't realize i needed to have him on sorry
01:08:08.640
about that oh you're not wearing your seat belt oh you know actually i just took it off because i
01:08:14.080
stupid me uh i apologize if he had said that you know what would happen probably nothing like the
01:08:21.440
cop would have said my license registration would have run the thing assume he doesn't have a warrant
01:08:25.820
and he's not not on a suspended license uh probably nothing would have happened they probably
01:08:31.060
wouldn't even found the weed in his car because if he was respectful and compliant just went up just
01:08:36.080
went along with it and didn't it didn't act super suspicious then they'd have no reason to search and
01:08:41.660
they probably would have sent him all the way the whole thing ends up being a slightly irritating 10
01:08:44.920
minute diversion and then you're on your way with no further consequences worst case you get a small
01:08:52.260
fine or citation and you could just pay it both of his cases these were not moving violations so you
01:08:59.000
could just pay it to be like 50 bucks and you'll be fine not even gonna hurt not even gonna hit your
01:09:03.160
insurance or if you really want to you can go to court and plead your case court is the place for
01:09:09.240
that that's the great thing about living in a first world society we actually have a specific place
01:09:13.880
that exists specifically to hear your pleas that place is not on the side of the road it's in a court
01:09:20.580
so that's the first option the second option the one that mcneil chose and so many other
01:09:25.220
alleged victims of alleged police brutality choose is to argue and refuse to comply and do everything
01:09:30.720
in your power to take a minor traffic violation and turn it into serious legal trouble for yourself
01:09:36.600
you can deliberately escalate a very low-stakes situation until you find yourself lying on the
01:09:42.760
pavement in handcuffs if you're at least slightly more emotionally and mentally immature than a toddler
01:09:48.060
you probably won't go with that route you'll be able to engage in a little bit of analytical
01:09:53.820
reasoning which will tell you that if you're if you're you know annoyed by a small traffic citation
01:10:00.180
you're not going to improve your situation or your mood by adding in a rest and a bunch of
01:10:05.680
additional charges on top of it just like if you're annoyed because you accidentally stepped in a puddle
01:10:10.900
and you got one of your shoes a little bit wet you're not going to improve the situation by then
01:10:15.520
jumping into a pool in all your clothes because now your shoes still wet along with the rest of you
01:10:21.580
if you're annoyed by being slightly wet don't make yourself more wet if you're annoyed by receiving
01:10:27.420
a very minor citation don't add a bunch of other serious citation citations on top of it
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and when the cop tells you to get out of the car closing your door and locking it will not help
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anything they're not going to say oh never mind there's no way that ends there's no way that it
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could possibly end except with you on the ground in handcuffs you have now chosen a path where the
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best and actually there are other ways it could end the best way it ends the best available you know
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result is that you get arrested so why why do that why go out of your way to make everything worse
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for yourself now sure these days as we've seen there's always the possibility that you get a
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viral police brutality incident out of it and then you can sue and maybe make millions of dollars
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but i don't think that mcneil even had that in mind exactly because i think that would almost give
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him too much credit that would make him manipulative and immoral but at least rational in a very
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self-serving way i don't think that was his plan i i also don't think that he was staging some kind
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of protest against injustice this was not civil disobedience in the way that political activists
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might engage in it there was no plan that's the thing and these there never is with these kinds
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of people this this is just a temper tantrum this is like a toddler throwing a toy train across the
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room because he's angry that it's nap time there's no plan or strategy when the toddler throws the train
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it doesn't make any sense for you to go well how do you think that that's going to mean that you don't
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have to take a nap now all you're doing is proving to me child that you need a nap even more because
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you're throwing the train but with my toddlers i don't have that conversation because they're not
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there is no plan they're just there there's no rational calculation at work and this is what cops deal
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with every day obnoxious irrational tiresome jerks who make everything harder than it needs to be and
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everything worse for themselves every step of the way there is no way to deal with these kinds of
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people except by imposing your will on them that's the only language that a guy like william mcneil jr
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understands and that's why this is all his fault and that is why he is today finally canceled that
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will do it for the show today thanks for watching thanks for listening talk to you tomorrow have a great