The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1654 - The Media Is Outraged That You’re Outraged By The Murder Of An Innocent White Woman

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, the media have finally taken notice of the brutal killing of a white woman by a black man in Charlotte, but to them, the real outrage is that conservatives are upset about it. That's what they're upset about. Also, there's a growing movement to abolish property taxes, and yet a shocking number of taxpaying Americans seem to be opposed to this idea somehow, and Rand Paul cites the book To Kill a Mockingbird in an effort to explain why we shouldn't blow up drug cartels.

00:00:22.600 There are a bunch of reasons why that argument isn't compelling, starting with the fact that the book, despite being force-fed to every American child for decades, isn't very good. All of that and more today on the Matt Wall Show.

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00:02:03.720 Yesterday, we talked at great length about the horrific killing of Irina Zarutska, the 23-year-old Ukrainian refugee who was savagely stabbed to death on a train in Charlotte by DeCarlos Brown, an evil, psychotic, criminal barbarian with a lengthy rap sheet.

00:02:18.180 Now, to review, if you're not familiar yet, Irina was on her way home from a shift at the pizza place where she worked. 0.96

00:02:25.800 She boarded the light rail car and sat down in front of Brown without a single word exchange between them.

00:02:31.680 A few minutes into the ride, Brown pulled out a knife, stood up, and began butchering Irina to death without warning.

00:02:38.100 And then he proceeded to walk around the train, leaving a trail of blood behind him.

00:02:42.760 Nobody attempted to intervene at any point.

00:02:45.140 We now know that Brown has been arrested 14 times or had been arrested 14 times before this awful crime was committed.

00:02:55.000 So this is his 15th arrest.

00:02:57.720 The criminal justice system, which has no interest in dispensing justice to criminals, which should be its one and only job, had 14 chances to get this creature off the street.

00:03:08.240 They could have permanently removed him from society after the third arrest or the fourth or the seventh or the 10th.

00:03:15.140 But instead, they gave him 14 chances.

00:03:18.340 Even after he committed armed robbery, after he committed assault, after he committed more than a dozen other crimes, the system simply churned him back out, waited for him to get arrested again, and then churned him out again like some kind of demonic merry-go-round ride.

00:03:32.440 This is a huge national story.

00:03:34.880 A young woman lost her life in one of the most heinous ways imaginable.

00:03:39.440 It is everything that George Floyd was purported to be, but never actually was.

00:03:44.380 Floyd's death never really mattered that much.

00:03:46.960 He was a violent career criminal who contributed nothing of value to society, and then he overdosed.

00:03:51.040 Irina, on the other hand, is an actual innocent victim of brutal interracial violence. 0.92

00:03:56.120 Her death is a major scandal.

00:03:57.540 It is the direct result of deep and widespread systemic failure and corruption.

00:04:03.180 She should have the murals and the streets named after her.

00:04:07.420 The judges and city officials who let her kill her loose on the street should all get the Derek Chauvin treatment. 1.00

00:04:14.840 Instead, up to the point when we filmed the show yesterday, Irina's case, far from being treated like any kind of national scandal, was completely ignored by the national media.

00:04:23.620 None of the major media outlets had said a word about it.

00:04:27.320 CNN, MSNBC hadn't spent even 30 seconds of airtime reporting on it.

00:04:31.680 The New York Times, Washington Post hadn't dedicated five sentences of coverage to it.

00:04:37.900 It was a total media blackout, made all the more infuriating by how utterly, disgustingly predictable it was.

00:04:45.180 But these days, of course, the media, well, they don't lead the conversation as much as they wish they could and as much as they used to.

00:04:50.480 The conversation happens without them until they're forced to chime in for fear of being reduced to even greater irrelevance.

00:04:58.020 So over the past 24 hours since our episode aired, finally, some of the major corporate media outlets decided to acknowledge this case as we had left them no choice but to acknowledge it.

00:05:09.260 And their spin is exactly what you would expect.

00:05:12.920 To the media, the story is not the murder itself, but rather the fact that conservatives are talking about the murder.

00:05:21.240 It isn't that a black criminal butchered an innocent white woman, but that we have noticed that this happened.

00:05:28.360 There are now headlines like this one from Politico.

00:05:30.460 Ukrainian refugee killed in North Carolina gets dragged into political messaging war.

00:05:35.180 President Donald Trump and MAGA allies are using the killing of Irina Zrutska to attack Democrats.

00:05:39.900 Yes, you see, Democrats are really the victims here.

00:05:45.080 A young woman bled to death in public, but the real concern is that Democrats are being attacked by conservative pundits on social media.

00:05:52.520 I mean, they're the ones.

00:05:53.540 That's the horrifying tragedy that we should all be weeping over.

00:05:58.640 Axios had a similar spin.

00:06:00.080 Headline, stabbing video fuels MAGA's crime message.

00:06:03.960 Now, they're right, of course.

00:06:06.400 The stabbing video does fuel our crime message.

00:06:09.780 And that's because our crime message is that crime is bad.

00:06:14.980 And people who commit crimes should go to prison and not be permitted to stab women to death on the train or anywhere else.

00:06:22.880 In the same way, you could say that a video of a house fire fuels our firefighting message, which is that it's bad for houses to burn down and we should put out the fires rather than allowing them to engulf entire neighborhoods.

00:06:37.160 You know, our messages tend to be pretty simple in that way.

00:06:39.860 But there is one part of this absurd Axios piece that warrants a special mention.

00:06:45.240 I'll read it here.

00:06:46.020 Quote, MAGA influencers are drawing repeated attention to violent attacks to elevate the issue of urban crime and accuse mainstream media of undercovering shocking cases.

00:06:57.000 Shocking video of the fatal August 22nd knife attack on 23-year-old Irina Zarutska on a light rail car in Charlotte, North Carolina, dominated weekend conversations on Trump-friendly social media.

00:07:08.000 The rising number of surveillance cameras in public spaces, including on Charlotte's light rail, has become a big accelerant in these cases.

00:07:14.300 The video is easily shared or leaked and can instantly pollinate across social media.

00:07:18.980 A visual counterpoint to statistics showing crime decreases.

00:07:23.760 Well, that's correct.

00:07:24.840 As we've covered extensively on this show, crime stats can be manipulated in many ways.

00:07:30.200 I mean, you can show decreases in violent crimes simply by not reporting the crime or not charging the criminals.

00:07:37.400 If a city decides to pretend that vast categories of crime aren't crimes anymore or to pretend they're not happening,

00:07:43.920 then crime statistically will go down.

00:07:47.300 It's not hard to make a city safer on the stat sheet, but making it safer on the light rail car, however, is a different matter.

00:07:55.380 You know, a city can be safe on a sheet of paper, but not safe on the street or the sidewalk or at the gas station or on public transportation and so on.

00:08:04.500 The videos break through the false narratives and the juked crime stats by showing us what's actually happening.

00:08:10.020 I mean, it's one thing to hear that a city has X number of murders.

00:08:13.160 It's another thing to see what that means, to see how these murders are happening and where they're happening and who they're happening to and who they're being committed by.

00:08:21.420 And that's why all the security cameras and police body cams are becoming a major problem on the left, especially because of that last point, who the crimes are being committed by.

00:08:34.120 Don't be surprised when there's a major push to get rid of the cameras, you know, all these security cameras and everything in the name of privacy.

00:08:42.740 I mean, as we've talked about many times, we've already seen the beginnings of this process with police body cams.

00:08:47.600 The left wing race hustlers demanded the body cams and the body cams proceeded to annihilate all of their narratives about police brutality. 0.55

00:08:54.200 And now they're not so hot on body cams anymore.

00:08:56.280 A similar thing will happen and is already happening or rather beginning to happen anyway with security cameras.

00:09:04.320 And here's a story on that note out of Canada.

00:09:08.400 Watch this.

00:09:09.520 So Hamilton man has been ordered by the city to take down the security cameras on the outside of his home, even though he says a lot of the videos have been used to help with police investigations.

00:09:21.100 Sean Cowan has more.

00:09:22.680 There.

00:09:23.420 I have one on the other side.

00:09:25.260 I have one there.

00:09:26.280 I have one there, one there, one there.

00:09:30.500 Dan Miles says he has 10 security cameras outside his home on McNabb Street North, downtown Hamilton, and he says he needs them.

00:09:38.500 Because we had a lot of attempted break-in enters into our home and other homes around us.

00:09:43.680 Miles has posted videos of break-ins online.

00:09:46.920 He also says police have asked him for his videos over the years to help with investigations.

00:09:51.640 We reached out to Hamilton police and they say they can't confirm the use of Dan Miles' videos, but told CHCH News they often work with homeowners, businesses, and drivers to get footage.

00:10:03.020 CHCH has used videos from Miles, like this one seen here, showing the moments before a fatal crash two years ago at Barton and McNabb.

00:10:12.700 These cameras are imperative to our neighborhood watch.

00:10:15.240 They're imperative to the safety of our community.

00:10:17.320 But last week, Miles received an order to comply with the city's fortification bylaw, asking him to remove his cameras.

00:10:25.320 The bylaw says homeowners are not permitted to view or listen beyond the perimeters of their own property.

00:10:31.500 A notice from bylaw, I thought, how could this be?

00:10:34.100 Everybody has ring doorbell cameras pointed at the street and city property, and my neighbors have cameras pointed at my house, and we all...

00:10:41.620 The city of Hamilton has confirmed the order to remove the cameras to CHCH News.

00:10:46.360 Okay, so this guy has 10 cameras.

00:10:49.560 And why does he have 10 cameras?

00:10:50.660 It's not because he's paranoid, but because of a rash of attempted break-ins at his house.

00:10:56.140 So now he's got a camera to cover every single angle of his house.

00:11:01.040 The cameras have been used not only to protect himself against burglary and other crimes, but to help solve and prevent crimes in the neighborhood.

00:11:09.200 So all of that, you would think, is good.

00:11:12.500 The only thing that's not good is that he needs the cameras in the first place.

00:11:15.460 The fact that he needs 10 cameras is the bad part.

00:11:19.000 But the fact that the cameras have been effective, that's good, you would think.

00:11:24.240 Well, now his local city school marm bureaucratic tyrants are telling him to take the cameras down because of privacy concerns.

00:11:32.280 But we all know the real concern.

00:11:33.760 It's that the cameras are not only documenting crime, but they're documenting who is actually committing most of the crime.

00:11:41.400 And that's the thing we aren't supposed to notice.

00:11:44.580 You see, the noticing, it's the noticing that is the problem.

00:11:49.080 And that's certainly what CNN is worried about, as we can see here.

00:11:52.440 Watch.

00:11:52.660 Certain people have been looking for an opportunity to find a case like this.

00:12:00.380 They've been looking for opportunities to make this some sort of, like, reciprocal George Floyd situation.

00:12:06.640 And that's the part that I think he's almost giving away the game.

00:12:11.300 And it's sad to see a lot of people going along with it.

00:12:15.720 You know, let me just say a couple of things.

00:12:16.840 One is, I mean, what happened to that young woman was horrible.

00:12:19.960 And it's everybody's nightmare if you're in any public space, subway, whatever, that something bad is going to happen to you or somebody you care about.

00:12:27.380 So it does strike a chord.

00:12:29.080 We don't know why that man did what he did.

00:12:31.720 And for Charlie Kirk to say, we know he did it because she's white, when there's no evidence of that, it's just pure race mongering, hate mongering.

00:12:40.540 It's wrong.

00:12:41.720 Then he says that if something like that had happened the other way, there would be sweeping changes imposed on society.

00:12:48.040 Where is the George Floyd Policing Act?

00:12:50.720 It didn't pass.

00:12:51.720 Really, over the weekend, Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, other Trump-aligned figures succeeded in making this senseless death a symbol of big city crime.

00:13:00.740 We heard President Trump asked about it yesterday when he was heading home from New York City.

00:13:04.640 He didn't seem to know much about it.

00:13:06.220 He said he would get briefed.

00:13:07.180 And then today, Trump did know all about it.

00:13:09.240 That's exactly what has happened here.

00:13:10.700 This story has trickled up from local news to social media and now to the president's attention.

00:13:16.120 And it's being used, as you said, Breonna, as a political symbol, with MAGA media calling for more forceful punishments and more incarceration.

00:13:23.740 I have to say, some of the replies to Musk, some of the comments around this story are baldly racist, stoking fear of African-Americans because this man attacked a white woman.

00:13:33.800 The open racism on sites like X today, it's eye-popping.

00:13:37.280 So the narrative we hear from the media is exactly what you would expect.

00:13:41.900 They are infinitely more outraged at the alleged racially charged language of conservative pundits than they are at the actual butchery of an innocent woman by a 14-time career felon on public transportation.

00:13:52.560 They are not angry that this woman was killed.

00:13:56.020 I mean, they couldn't care less.

00:13:57.500 They wouldn't even be talking about it if they had their way.

00:14:01.300 Instead, they're outraged by the racism, quote-unquote, of conservatives who have noticed that the murders are happening. 0.78

00:14:07.180 And then we hear from Van Jones that, you know, we can't say for sure whether that black criminal killed Irina because she was white. 0.69

00:14:15.360 Can't say that for sure. 0.91

00:14:16.480 So just to review, the media can say for sure that it's racist to say mean things about a black guy who killed a white woman. 0.95

00:14:23.720 But they can't say for sure that it's racist for a black guy to actually kill a white woman.

00:14:27.700 So the murder is not racist necessarily, but the commentary about the murder, well, that is racist. 0.99

00:14:35.740 That's what these despicable snakes are actually claiming. 0.92

00:14:39.760 Keep in mind, this is coming from all the same people who declared from the first moment that the George Floyd footage went viral that it was a racist hate crime. 0.88

00:14:50.560 There was nothing in that video, if you recall, not a single thing that indicated any kind of racial motivation whatsoever.

00:14:57.700 And yet when a black suspect ODs while being detained by a white cop, it's a racist killing automatically. 0.93

00:15:03.620 Automatically, it's a racist killing. 1.00

00:15:06.440 When a black criminal slaughters a white woman on the train, it's a mental health episode. 1.00

00:15:12.820 This is what these soulless goblins expect us to believe. 1.00

00:15:16.520 Hey, Van, listen, here's what we know, okay?

00:15:20.220 Here's what we know.

00:15:20.900 Statistically, a white person is 30 times more likely to be killed by a black person than the other way around.

00:15:27.980 We know that. 0.56

00:15:28.560 That's just true.

00:15:29.360 In 2019, there were about 560,000 violent interracial incidents between blacks and whites.

00:15:34.380 470,000 of them were black on white.

00:15:36.880 That's 85%.

00:15:38.000 85%. 0.99

00:15:39.280 240 black people were killed by whites. 0.99

00:15:42.240 560 white people were killed by blacks. 0.98

00:15:44.800 And this is all in spite of the fact that white people make up 60% of the population. 0.99

00:15:48.880 Blacks are 13%. 1.00

00:15:49.860 Just by raw numbers, not even per capita, but raw numbers, there are more black interracial killers than white. 0.99

00:15:58.080 That is extraordinary. 0.94

00:15:59.560 That's like impossible.

00:16:01.780 That should be impossible. 1.00

00:16:03.080 There are 171 million more white people in the country, and yet there are more black interracial killers. 1.00

00:16:08.880 By raw numbers, that kind of disparity should be impossible. 0.97

00:16:17.880 Again, and yet it's real.

00:16:19.260 It's happening.

00:16:20.740 Per capita, the situation is even more dire. 0.99

00:16:23.080 Black people, young black males in particular, are an order of magnitude more violent and more likely to commit crimes than any other group in the country. 1.00

00:16:31.420 Black men are 5% or 6% of the population. 1.00

00:16:33.280 They commit the majority of murders in the country. 1.00

00:16:35.520 That makes black males in America more dangerous than perhaps any other demographic in the entire world, let alone in this country. 1.00

00:16:45.000 And we know all this despite the efforts by the FBI and every other institution to hide and bury racial crime statistics. 0.98

00:16:51.120 Imagine how much worse it really is.

00:16:52.860 Imagine how grisly it would look if they let us see the whole picture instead of just pieces of it.

00:16:56.660 But we can see enough to know, without any doubt whatsoever, that the violent crime epidemic is driven by one demographic to an overwhelmingly disproportionate degree.

00:17:07.100 And all of that has happened while you, Van, and your propagandist cohorts have spent years claiming that the reality is exactly the opposite of this.

00:17:17.620 You didn't just deny that this is happening, you have the gall to claim that the opposite is happening. 0.97

00:17:25.700 You paint a picture of a country where black people walk around in fear, trembling in fear of white violence. 0.99

00:17:33.120 Where black people are constantly tired and exhausted by the brutality inflicted upon them by the villainous whites. 0.99

00:17:39.920 But those of us who you condemn as racists, no, we are the ones who are tired. 0.97

00:17:46.920 We are tired of not being able to walk down the streets in our own cities.

00:17:51.000 We are tired of losing good, productive citizens at the hands of violent degenerates who contribute nothing of value to society whatsoever.

00:17:57.660 We are tired of the total lack of accountability and responsibility.

00:18:01.220 We are tired of a system that prioritizes the restoration and rehabilitation of violent psychopaths over the protection of innocent, law-abiding people.

00:18:11.660 And we are tired of pretending that all of this isn't happening.

00:18:16.260 And we're just not going to pretend anymore.

00:18:19.440 It's that simple.

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00:20:43.480 Well, there's a growing movement, the media tells us anyway, against property taxes, and CNN reports,

00:20:49.860 with real estate prices climbing and household budgets under strain, a once-fringed push to eliminate property taxes is drawing new energy

00:20:57.800 and the backing of high-profile conservative figures.

00:20:59.960 Republican Firebrand Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia recently argued for making it a national priority.

00:21:04.080 Billionaire Elon Musk has likened property taxes to a de facto lease from the government that should be abolished.

00:21:10.040 And in Florida, Governor Ron DeSantis, a once-impossible future presidential contender, has vowed to move his state in that direction.

00:21:16.380 DeSantis said if you own your home, to truly own it, you have to own it free and clear of the government.

00:21:21.720 For decades, property taxes have underwritten the basic functions of local governments, schools, parks, roads, police, fire departments, trash collection.

00:21:27.040 But as some values have surged, as home values have surged, rather, tax bills have ballooned in tandem,

00:21:32.780 fueling what David Schleicher, a Yale professor of local government, described as a property tax revolt, shaking cities and states alike.

00:21:41.980 Schleicher said, there's a really big trend that's below the radar because it doesn't involve President Trump,

00:21:46.040 but it doesn't need fireworks to announce itself.

00:21:47.780 It's already changing our relationship with government and how schools work and property markets.

00:21:52.180 The frustration is cutting across partisan lines.

00:21:54.600 Last year, voters in nine states approved reparendums to cap or curb rising assessments from tying bills to inflation in Georgia to New Mexico

00:22:01.720 and Colorado expanding tax exemptions for veterans who own homes there.

00:22:08.520 So Florida is considering abolishing property taxes.

00:22:12.220 Few other states have had proposals like this discussed.

00:22:14.980 I'm not sure if it's mentioned in the article, but Wyoming, North Dakota, I think, have had proposals like this.

00:22:20.480 In Florida, they have no income tax.

00:22:23.200 So Florida, if they go this route, would have neither income nor property tax, which is amazing.

00:22:31.540 It's incredible.

00:22:32.820 If not for the climate, if not for the fact that it's just disgustingly humid and hot year round, you'd almost want to live there.

00:22:42.420 That's the one thing that Florida doesn't have going for it.

00:22:46.740 And to me, it's a deal breaker.

00:22:47.920 But that is, I mean, that would be amazing.

00:22:52.900 And before we get into property taxes specifically, and I know maybe when you, I don't talk about tax policy very often on this show,

00:23:01.420 and I think that it just, it feels very boring, even as I say it, when I, just saying the word, let's talk about property taxes.

00:23:09.360 It's, I'm like, I almost am boring myself.

00:23:11.240 But it is really, it is extremely important, obviously.

00:23:15.620 And we should all be able to agree, before we get into the discussion about whether property taxes are abolished, we should be able to agree, should, that taxing both property and income is obscene, just egregious.

00:23:35.400 And yet, that's the case in like 40 or 41 states in the union.

00:23:40.200 Now, if you want to make the argument, well, we can't abolish both.

00:23:45.180 If you want to make the argument that, no, well, Florida can't do that because they don't have an income tax either.

00:23:50.140 I don't agree with that argument.

00:23:51.380 I'll explain why in a second.

00:23:53.600 But that's one thing.

00:23:54.620 It's another thing to be in favor of both of these kinds of taxes.

00:24:02.920 I mean, there are only eight or nine states that have no income tax.

00:24:06.920 Florida is one of them.

00:24:08.840 Tennessee has no income tax.

00:24:10.380 New Hampshire, you know, five or six others.

00:24:14.240 Right now, all states have property taxes.

00:24:16.120 So, in the vast majority of states, they tax you on your income and your property.

00:24:22.120 And they have sales tax.

00:24:25.040 So, most states have income, property, and sales tax.

00:24:28.640 I know I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

00:24:30.240 But this is, we take it for granted because it's the situation that most people were born into.

00:24:39.060 But it is really crazy.

00:24:41.120 It really is.

00:24:43.060 They tax your wages and then tax them again when you spend the wages and then tax your property in perpetuity.

00:24:50.220 They tax everything.

00:24:50.820 It's a machine gun style taxation, spraying taxes all over the place.

00:24:55.480 That's to say nothing of all the other taxes.

00:24:57.120 And then, of course, the federal taxes.

00:24:59.440 For most Americans, every dollar they earn is taxed like ten different times in one form or another.

00:25:06.020 I mean, you can just think about this.

00:25:07.580 If you live in, let's say you live in, you know, we'll take one of the worst examples. 1.00

00:25:13.620 But if you live in New York and you earn, say, $150,000 a year, you get your paycheck on a Friday, and then let's say on your way home from work, you stop and get a week's worth of groceries.

00:25:29.960 Well, how many times do you get taxed during that process?

00:25:37.260 Well, just during the process of getting paid and then going to spend some of that money on groceries.

00:25:45.040 Well, your paycheck is taxed by the feds.

00:25:48.880 That's about 20 to 25 percent out the window.

00:25:51.880 Then New York State comes in, takes another 6 percent or more.

00:25:57.980 So you're out like 30 percent right away.

00:26:00.260 And then you drive to the store and you buy groceries.

00:26:02.920 What is the sales tax in New York?

00:26:04.760 It's also ridiculously high.

00:26:06.400 What is it like?

00:26:06.940 I think it depends on what part of New York you're in, but it's 6, 7, 8 percent.

00:26:11.180 So that same paycheck is taxed once for 25 percent, again for 6 percent, again for 8 percent on the amount you spend on groceries.

00:26:20.620 And if you've got to stop for gas, God forbid, you're going to pay taxes on that.

00:26:24.540 And since this is New York we're talking about, you'll probably get hit with tolls on the way home.

00:26:29.280 So that's more taxes.

00:26:31.780 Your paycheck has now been taxed like five times before you even make it home for dinner.

00:26:39.180 Why would anyone put up with this?

00:26:40.580 I mean, why do millions of Americans put up with it?

00:26:43.900 Why do we all put up with it to some degree or another?

00:26:46.540 I mean, I don't live in New York and I never would live there, but I'm getting ripped off too.

00:26:50.560 I'm in a tax bracket now where I'm basically mugged at gunpoint every time I get paid.

00:26:55.780 So I'm getting scammed too.

00:26:57.360 We're all getting scammed.

00:26:58.140 It's highway robbery.

00:26:58.960 And yet it's amazing that when some states consider dropping the property taxes, you have people.

00:27:04.920 I mean, I don't know what the polls are on this.

00:27:06.680 I'm sure people have, I'm sure there have been some polls done on it.

00:27:09.060 If there haven't, then there will be.

00:27:11.200 But just looking anecdotally at the conversation online, it's pretty obvious that there are people, lots of people, actual American citizens who are opposed to getting rid of the property tax.

00:27:25.500 I've seen a lot of commentary about this proposal in Florida and, and much of it is very critical.

00:27:31.060 And this is not just from government officials who are worried that they're going to have less of your money to play with.

00:27:36.700 That's, that's one.

00:27:37.500 I mean, you understand where they're coming from.

00:27:38.880 I don't agree with it, but at least you can understand it's kind of a self-interest level.

00:27:43.960 But I have actual American citizens who are like, no, I want you to keep, no, don't, don't keep, keep taxing.

00:27:51.480 Take, take more of my money, please.

00:27:52.940 Now, yeah, I'm fully aware that a number of the people who are saying this, um, yeah, it's on property tax.

00:27:58.920 You have people that don't own property.

00:28:00.980 You have people that are all in favor of the income tax and they don't really pay an income tax.

00:28:04.240 They don't have an income.

00:28:04.940 They're on entitlement.

00:28:05.480 So that explains some of it also.

00:28:07.240 I realized that, but even so it's like, it's like Stockholm syndrome.

00:28:14.040 You know, we're all getting taxed to death.

00:28:15.860 We're getting taxed 10 ways to Sunday.

00:28:17.280 We pay dozens of taxes every single day.

00:28:19.780 And yet when a political leader actually suggests dropping one of the taxes, you have people saying, oh no, don't do that.

00:28:26.400 Please, please keep stealing my money.

00:28:29.380 Again, I know a lot of them are saying, no, please keep stealing their money.

00:28:32.000 Cause I'm not paying anything, but it's not just them.

00:28:34.920 I mean, there, there are people who pay taxes.

00:28:37.320 Like, no, no, keep, keep, I want to keep stealing it. 0.98

00:28:41.780 It's pathetic. 0.99

00:28:42.620 It's like, it's like if you're, you're kidnapped and you're locked in a basement and, and you're beaten every day by your kidnapper. 0.99

00:28:48.020 And then one day your kidnapper says he's going to, he's going to start beating you slightly less severely.

00:28:51.820 And you object and demand that the beatings continue just as harshly as they've been happening.

00:28:59.160 It's, it's like some very bizarre psychology at work here, like some kind of fetish or something.

00:29:04.920 I don't know if that's, what's happening with tax people get a sexual thrill out of being scammed and robbed.

00:29:10.400 It's, it's weird.

00:29:11.480 It's just bizarre to me.

00:29:13.400 Property taxes are in particular, arguably the most egregious of all taxes.

00:29:18.540 It kind of, if I'm, it, it, it, it kind of amazes me that there's anyone who is not in favor of abolishing property taxes.

00:29:27.260 That's the kind of idea that the moment someone, a politician suggested, how is there not 100% agreement?

00:29:33.640 Yes, absolutely.

00:29:35.160 Please stop doing this to us.

00:29:37.280 How is there not a hundred percent agreement?

00:29:40.220 What is wrong with all these people?

00:29:43.840 The property tax is arguably even worse than the income tax, which is itself an abomination from the depths of hell.

00:29:49.720 But the property taxes are even worse to tax property, not just tax it once at the point of purchase, but to tax it in perpetuity forever, every day, always forever.

00:30:03.340 That's just pure tyranny.

00:30:04.700 And, and it, it means that you never own your property.

00:30:07.560 It's, it's never yours.

00:30:10.000 Nothing is yours.

00:30:11.080 That's what it means.

00:30:14.260 Um, you know, I was talking to my wife recently about, uh, you know, let's come up with a five-year plan to, to pay off our mortgage.

00:30:21.540 And, and I want to pay it off.

00:30:23.560 So we really own our, our property because while you have a mortgage, it's like, you don't really own your property yet.

00:30:29.300 Um, the bank owns it.

00:30:31.200 Um, but then of course I remember, well, yeah, but even if I pay off the mortgage, I still don't own it.

00:30:38.240 Even then I have to pay a substantial fee every year to the government.

00:30:43.820 You know, not to the mortgage company, but to the government for the right to continue living on my own land in my own home.

00:30:50.680 I have to property tax.

00:30:53.060 You are paying rent to the government for the right to live in your own home on your own land.

00:31:01.200 Does that make sense?

00:31:03.240 Doesn't make sense to me.

00:31:04.300 These are what, you know, we would call what we should call, uh, existence taxes.

00:31:10.660 Property taxes, income taxes are existence taxes.

00:31:14.120 You are taxed for existing because owning property and earning a living are basic elements of existing for most people, or at least they should be.

00:31:24.160 Uh, the government is taxing you for simply existing and then also taxing you when you stop existing, you get taxed for existing and for ceasing to exist.

00:31:33.380 So I'm not against taxation in principle.

00:31:37.280 Yeah, we do need taxes in order to fund some kind of government and you need, uh, a government to have a civilized society.

00:31:44.260 Sure.

00:31:46.420 But existence taxes, those I am opposed to in principle and they aren't necessary.

00:31:51.860 Like, I don't care what anyone says, right?

00:31:56.420 You get rid of the income tax at both the state and federal level.

00:32:00.360 Uh, you, you can do that.

00:32:01.960 You, we could have no income tax.

00:32:03.980 We could have no property tax.

00:32:07.820 And would that mean that nothing gets funded?

00:32:09.820 No, it wouldn't mean that.

00:32:10.600 It would just mean that you're relying on consumption taxes, sales tax, tourism, you know, taxes.

00:32:15.120 Um, that's, I mean, that is one of the things that makes it easier for Florida to do this because of all the tourism, but, um, you know, luxury taxes and you combine that with deep, meaningful spending cuts to get rid of all the billions and trillions of dollars that are wasted.

00:32:36.780 And you could have a state, you could have a country where we have a government, we have a, we have all the necessary public services, but nobody is taxed for existing.

00:32:50.800 That is possible.

00:32:53.480 Um, but it's never going to happen.

00:32:55.300 I mean, it's like a utopian vision of a society.

00:33:00.020 It feels utopian.

00:33:01.000 It doesn't need to be.

00:33:01.740 Um, it doesn't need to be, but it feels utopian because there to this point is not, and maybe, maybe, maybe the, the voices are growing a little bit louder, but there is not a real movement right now to get rid of these taxes.

00:33:17.720 There's not a real movement.

00:33:19.120 There's no, there's no real outcry.

00:33:21.140 There's no real overwhelming outcry from the American people saying we are tired of being taxed for existing, you know, for the crime of existing.

00:33:27.480 We are tired of getting taxed 10 different times before we even make it home for dinner.

00:33:30.980 We're, we're sick of it.

00:33:32.480 We don't want to do it anymore.

00:33:33.960 There's not, there's not any real outrage over that.

00:33:36.380 There should, I know people always say, Oh, there's too much outrage.

00:33:39.640 No, you know what?

00:33:40.260 I think there's not enough outrage.

00:33:41.440 That's what I actually think.

00:33:43.560 When I hear people say, Oh, enough of the outrage.

00:33:45.520 What do you mean?

00:33:46.120 Like that?

00:33:46.500 We have the opposite. 0.97

00:33:47.220 What the hell are you talking about?

00:33:48.940 You think we live in a society where there's too much outrage? 0.98

00:33:51.400 What, what world are you living in?

00:33:54.260 How, how, how out of touch do you have to be?

00:33:56.020 If you think that our problem in society is that we're not outraged enough by things.

00:34:00.160 It is exactly the opposite.

00:34:02.820 Our problem is, is a lack of outrage.

00:34:04.900 Our problem is, um, is, is numbness.

00:34:08.760 Our problem is indifference.

00:34:10.540 Our problem is people are distracted and not paying attention and, you know, easily, um,

00:34:17.800 anesthetized by, by entertainment and all these different things.

00:34:22.560 And, and, and, and, and because of that, they aren't outraged by the things they really

00:34:26.060 should be outraged by.

00:34:29.120 And one of them is that you are getting ripped off.

00:34:31.220 You are getting ripped off every single day.

00:34:33.840 You are having your money stolen from you and it doesn't have to be this way.

00:34:37.120 I mean, you, you, you, you, your family is suffering because the government is taking this and

00:34:42.260 they are just wasting it.

00:34:43.280 They're just burning it or, or, or, or, or, and, or will these, they're giving it to somebody

00:34:50.860 else who doesn't deserve it, did not earn it, has no right to it.

00:34:55.440 Um, that is an outrage.

00:34:58.580 There should be, uh, you know, outrage all across the land over that.

00:35:03.180 And I think there isn't.

00:35:04.660 All right.

00:35:05.200 Here's something, uh, I want to play.

00:35:06.640 It's a bit, bit, uh, bit tough to watch.

00:35:11.760 Uh, nothing, nothing graphic is seen, but, uh, so more, more tough to listen to, but this

00:35:18.640 is a report from the New York post.

00:35:20.500 Uh, listen, this is a new one for me.

00:35:23.660 I've just been discharged from hospital, um, and, um, I was admitted unwell with sepsis

00:35:32.660 of unknown cause, but there were some complications of my, um, hospital treatment and I lost both

00:35:41.580 my legs below the knees.

00:35:43.260 This 49-year-old vascular surgeon was once named the bravest in Britain after he had to

00:35:48.700 amputate both of his legs.

00:35:50.220 But now, Neil Hopper, who performed hundreds of amputation operations of his own, has pleaded

00:35:56.360 guilty to two fraud charges after he told insurers that his legs needed to be removed because

00:36:01.880 of sepsis and not because of a self-inflicted injury.

00:36:05.420 According to reports from inside the courtroom, Hopper actually froze his own legs with ice

00:36:10.480 and dry ice to ensure his legs would be removed.

00:36:13.600 In insurance claims totaling more than $625,000, a friend of Hopper allegedly told him to milk

00:36:21.060 the payout.

00:36:22.200 The now former surgeon spent some of the money on a $30,000 camper van and $340,000 on home

00:36:29.100 improvements and a hot tub.

00:36:31.060 According to testimony laid out against Hopper in court, the surgeon wanted his legs to be

00:36:35.480 chopped off because of an obsession with removing parts of his own body and a sexual interest 0.87

00:36:41.000 in doing so.

00:36:41.900 In a disturbing twist to the story, the Welsh surgeon also admitted to possessing extreme

00:36:46.760 pornography.

00:36:47.880 Investigators found that between 2018 and 2020, Hopper bought three videos from a now-defunct

00:36:53.540 web page called the Unic Maker, an extreme body modification site which showcased disturbing

00:37:00.200 mutilation live streams and videos.

00:37:02.780 Hopper was reportedly identified during investigations into the website's creator, Marius Gufstusen.

00:37:08.480 Gufstusen made over $400,000 by showing his website's roughly 22,000 subscribers gruesome videos of him

00:37:17.140 mutilating the bodies of apparently willing volunteers.

00:37:20.440 All right, well, sorry I had to share that with you.

00:37:24.860 So this guy had both of his legs removed on purpose.

00:37:29.100 He was obviously a very confused person.

00:37:32.460 I mean, you could even say that he's stumped, you know, but, you know, get, but look, getting

00:37:40.680 his legs removed, that was his, I will say that was his right and his left.

00:37:46.060 So he's got, he's got one foot out the door and the other one too, you know, so, um, and

00:37:51.180 he tried, he tried to, uh, you know, he's in prison, as I mentioned, two years in prison,

00:37:54.960 but he tried to defend himself in court, but he, uh, you know, he didn't have a leg to stand

00:37:58.620 on literally.

00:37:59.180 Okay.

00:37:59.480 I'm just practicing my standup routine.

00:38:04.340 This is, I'm going to go on the road as a standup.

00:38:07.660 As you can tell, I got a real talent and I'm going to go on the road and it will just be

00:38:11.040 puns, you know, just be puns about amputees. 0.91

00:38:15.120 That's the, that'll be the whole, that's the whole bit.

00:38:18.100 That's a real, that's a killer act right there.

00:38:21.520 Anyway.

00:38:22.060 All right.

00:38:22.540 Uh, I did want to make, what point did I want to make besides the dad joke?

00:38:25.900 Well, I mean, there's the obvious one, which is that, you know, there is really zero difference.

00:38:33.120 Uh, there is zero difference between this and transgenderism. 0.91

00:38:36.940 It's the same thing.

00:38:37.700 Um, except that we put people in jail for this, uh, and we condemn them.

00:38:44.280 We condemn this behavior.

00:38:45.760 There is no one saying that we should normalize it or affirm it certainly, or take it seriously.

00:38:51.320 Um, but it's the same thing.

00:38:53.780 It's a very small minority of people who feel like they're in the wrong body, who feel like

00:38:59.360 they'll be made whole.

00:39:01.640 They'll be made complete through extreme body modification.

00:39:05.420 And who in many cases get a sexual thrill out of it, same idea, same concept.

00:39:14.820 It's body dysmorphia.

00:39:16.440 I mean, that's what it is.

00:39:17.400 It belongs in the same bucket.

00:39:18.560 It's the same, it's this, it's the same psychiatric category.

00:39:21.680 It's this, it is the same, uh, disorder just manifested in a, in a slightly different way.

00:39:27.740 In fact, the only difference really is that this, I mean, the case I, we just, I just played for you.

00:39:36.240 This is less extreme.

00:39:38.560 That's the only difference.

00:39:40.260 The cutting off your legs to become an amputee is less extreme and by comparison, healthier.

00:39:45.480 So when people see this, they'll say, Oh, slippery slope.

00:39:47.360 You know, first we allowed, first we normalized, um, transgenderism.

00:39:54.520 And now we have this crazier thing that came along.

00:39:57.700 No, actually, no.

00:40:01.200 By all rights, if we were on a slippery slope, it should have been, this was normalized first.

00:40:05.460 And then you get to transgenderism. 0.51

00:40:08.160 I mean, this is still very extreme and very unhealthy, obviously, but by comparison, less so.

00:40:15.920 Why is that?

00:40:16.700 Well, for the pretty self-evident reason that a man who wishes to become legless can actually be legless.

00:40:25.100 You know, he goes through the body modification and now he actually is the thing that he wanted to be.

00:40:30.040 The illness, the delusion is in the fact that he wanted it, right?

00:40:34.640 It's, it's, it's in the fact that he desired it.

00:40:36.980 The problem is that he desired to be this thing, but he can actually be it.

00:40:42.800 When somebody says, Oh, I wish to have no legs.

00:40:46.360 Well, your answer to that is, or should be, well, that, that's a, that's a bizarre thing to want.

00:40:50.840 You shouldn't want that.

00:40:54.100 But you wouldn't say, Oh, well, that's impossible.

00:40:57.460 You can't be that.

00:40:58.720 And yet on the other hand, a man who chops off body parts to become a woman, um, isn't actually a woman after the extreme modification.

00:41:09.380 The disorder is both in the wanting, uh, you know, the wanting to become a woman and in thinking that it's been done.

00:41:19.960 That he actually has become a woman.

00:41:23.780 So it is deeply disordered on two levels rather than just one.

00:41:27.480 And that's why I've made this point, uh, about the slippery slope argument that, you know, we talk about slippery slope.

00:41:34.380 I've talked about it.

00:41:35.200 It's kind of a, it's kind of a sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh way of describing a certain sort of phenomenon.

00:41:41.980 And there's a lot of truth to it, but the, the basic, when we talk about slippery slope, all, all we are, all we're pointing out is that, you know, someone that is that, is that there's, there's something that's being normalized or that we're being told we have to accept or tolerate affirm, celebrate, welcome, whatever.

00:42:01.520 and there are there are arguments being made in favor of that thing whatever it is

00:42:07.780 and when we make the slippery slope argument all we're saying is that well okay

00:42:11.900 these arguments that you're making to defend affirm promote this thing i could take those

00:42:21.080 arguments intact i could take them totally whole and use them to also argue for xyz other thing

00:42:32.280 and these other things over here you you you would even agree are bad so you're making an

00:42:39.180 argument in support of something that you like but i could take that exact argument and change

00:42:44.460 nothing and use it logically to defend this other thing over here that even you that even you think

00:42:50.880 is bad and um the point of that argument is is you know if the argument is true if it's valid

00:42:59.560 which it almost is when conservatives make it what it proves is that either the thing that they are

00:43:07.840 promoting the thing that they're arguing for is wrong and or the arguments they're using are bad

00:43:16.020 arguments um and in the case of the left it's well it's both they're using bad arguments uh and to

00:43:24.140 promote a bad thing or maybe it's not even a bad it's more like the thing they're arguing for is is

00:43:29.600 bad the argument that they're using is the best one available but it's terrible because it's arguing for

00:43:36.700 terrible thing so that's all that uh the slippery slope is is really proving what but what it doesn't

00:43:43.200 necessarily mean is that um the next thing in line will be worse because what we haven't you know

00:43:51.120 what the slippery slope brings to mind this idea that okay well we'll start with one kind of bad thing

00:43:57.140 and then because that's been normalized we'll go to another thing that's a little bit worse

00:44:01.500 and then another thing that's a little bit worse than that and another thing is a little worse than

00:44:04.660 that until we get all the way down the bottom slippery slope and it's just total anarchy and

00:44:08.060 chaos and and depravity uh but what we find is that it doesn't usually work in that kind of really

00:44:15.000 neat linear way that all you know and this is what the left does is they they go for the most extreme

00:44:23.280 version of the thing whatever it is they're going to go for the most extreme version of it and they're

00:44:28.920 going to and they're going to try to get you on board to accept the most extreme version of it

00:44:33.060 and then all that other stuff just comes in the bargain it's not like that's coming next it's

00:44:36.960 just that's all part of it that automatically they they're they're sort of skipping ahead right

00:44:42.440 um we've talked about this with uh with gay marriage for example when people say that oh

00:44:51.260 slippery slope that you know we accept gay marriage next thing you know it's gonna be polygamy well 1.00

00:44:55.120 polygamy is not nearly as bad as gay marriage polygamy is a is a is a much less extreme thing in

00:45:02.940 fact polygamy there's a lot of historical precedent to polygamy polygamy makes historically it made a

00:45:09.700 certain kind of sense you had to populate the earth you know it's a populating society populating

00:45:15.420 civilization and this was one way to do it so it's it's in accordance with nature in that it's it's

00:45:22.920 it's uh it's productive you know it's reproductive uh procreative so it's still wrong

00:45:30.200 but it's not nearly as disordered or wrong as a gay marriage so they went when it comes to marriage 0.99

00:45:39.300 when it comes to messing with the definition of marriage they went for the most extreme version

00:45:44.560 of that which is two men getting quote-unquote married and all the other stuff is just you kind

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00:47:34.240 our daily cancellation after the pentagon blew up a boat full of drug traffickers last week jd vance

00:47:45.220 immediately celebrated the bombings on social media he wrote quote killing cartel members who poison our

00:47:50.040 fellow citizens is the highest and best use of our military and then when someone suggested that the

00:47:54.340 white house had committed a war crime vance replied simply i don't give a what you call it 0.57

00:47:59.300 which is a great response as you can imagine there were quite a few replies to jd vance's post

00:48:05.080 the vast majority were positive people are tired of seeing overdoses in their families and their

00:48:08.740 communities they recognize that foreign drug traffickers operating international waters aren't

00:48:12.220 entitled to any due process under our constitution but not everybody was thrilled with vance's reply

00:48:17.580 particularly a fellow member of the republican party senator rand paul of kentucky unloaded on jd vance and

00:48:23.660 there's a specific portion of his reply that needs to be discussed at some length here's what

00:48:27.960 rand paul wrote quote jd uh don't give a vance says killing people he accuses of a crime is the

00:48:35.980 highest and best use of the military did he ever read to kill a mockingbird did he ever wonder what

00:48:40.660 might happen if the accused were immediately executed without trial and representation what a

00:48:45.120 despicable and thoughtless sentiment it is to glorify killing someone without a trial now if you had to

00:48:51.300 classify this form of argument you'd call it an appeal to authority uh or an appeal to fiction really

00:48:56.960 and this is when to bolster your point you cite some established expert or legal case or study or

00:49:02.180 something like that but in this case instead of citing anything with any substance whatsoever rand

00:49:06.180 paul cites to kill a mockingbird and he wonders whether jd vance the vice president united states

00:49:10.700 has ever read the book that's the kill shot in rand paul's foreign policy argument now just in case

00:49:16.100 you're one of the 10 people in the country who was not forced to read this book at some point in your

00:49:19.700 life i should make it clear that to kill a mockingbird is a work of fiction and it's written at a

00:49:24.760 child's reading level middle schoolers and high schoolers are the main audience and even children

00:49:29.860 when they're ordered to read this book which nobody ever would have read it if not for the fact that

00:49:34.140 everyone is forced to read it but even they generally understand that it was written by some random woman

00:49:38.700 who invented a story in her head it's not a documentary it's not a textbook on constitutional 0.91

00:49:42.340 law it's certainly not a manual for how to approach drug cartels it's a dumb story and not an 0.94

00:49:48.160 especially well-written one either now it's true that for generations to kill a mockingbird has always had 0.57

00:49:53.200 the full backing of every establishment institution in the country every school and government

00:49:57.600 relentlessly pushed the book on young people as soon as it was published in 1960 it won a pulitzer

00:50:01.760 within a year of its release a group of librarians in britain declared that to kill a mockingbird was

00:50:06.800 just as important as the bible this book was force-fed on everyone just like that u2 album that apple

00:50:12.620 installed on everybody's phone without their permission several years ago that doesn't mean that the book is

00:50:16.840 any good and it certainly doesn't mean that the book is relevant to a foreign policy debate with jd vance and

00:50:22.380 that's why predictably rand paul's post was mocked all over the internet even people who like and respect

00:50:27.520 rand paul as i do by the way uh joined in on the fun because it was just too hard to resist for example

00:50:33.200 here's a post showing a scene from the movie 300 with the caption uh quote disgusting leonidas brutally

00:50:39.880 executes xerxes emissaries without trial hasn't he read to kill a mockingbird and then there's this one

00:50:45.200 for the lord of the rings fans quote disgusting aragorn brutally executes the mouth of sauron without trial 0.62

00:50:51.580 has he read to kill a mockingbird and then uh one more i mean i think we basically get the idea

00:50:55.380 unbelievable odysseus cold-heartedly kills the suitors without trial

00:50:58.960 uh for making sure they're uh or making sure they're not mentally ill has he read to kill a mockingbird

00:51:04.340 and on and on and on put simply not many people were convinced by rand paul's attempt at an appeal to

00:51:10.000 authority at the same time there's an even more fundamental problem with rand paul's reasoning the

00:51:14.940 problem isn't simply that to kill a mockingbird is a work of fiction that was written for middle

00:51:19.080 schoolers i mean by itself that's pretty bad obviously but even if you accept that fact there are some

00:51:24.880 other issues here in particular to kill a mockingbird is a scam i mean although the story is fictional

00:51:30.340 it's it's based on lies there are very relevant facts about the production of the novel and its

00:51:34.820 aftermath that no one really talks about and the reason that no one talks about these facts is that

00:51:39.440 they undercut the propaganda that the book is intended to convey and the book is propaganda

00:51:43.260 which is why they feed it to force feed it to kids it's all it is all part of the effort to teach

00:51:47.580 kids in school that america is a racist country with a racist past and all these terrible things and

00:51:52.700 this is what you should feel guilty about that's why that is that is the only reason not because the

00:51:56.680 book is some great uh you know um novel some great piece of art it is is purely for that reason and no

00:52:03.100 reason other than that you know imagine if say someone as famous and widely read as george rr martin

00:52:08.700 released a new game of thrones book and then collectively everyone just agreed to ignore it because

00:52:13.540 it contradicted some political narrative from a previous book he wrote it seems hard to imagine

00:52:17.700 something like that happening the sheer popularity of the author's existing books would make it seem

00:52:21.340 impossible in fact but that's that's what's happened with to kill a mockingbird and before we get

00:52:25.500 into that if you never read the book here's just a quick plot summary which i pulled from wikipedia

00:52:30.160 for the most part because it's been 25 years since i was forced to read it um or maybe longer i don't

00:52:36.980 even remember when exactly but i do remember being given this infernal book uh to kill mockingbird

00:52:42.620 takes place in alabama during the great depression a black man named tom robinson is accused of sexually

00:52:48.160 assaulting a white woman um atticus finch is the the white lawyer played by gregory peck in the movie

00:52:55.040 of course who has to defend tom robinson the whole town wants tom to be lynched because of course all 0.99

00:53:00.260 the white people in alabama are racist with low iqs and no capacity to engage in any kind of independent 0.98

00:53:05.820 thought whatsoever we're led to believe that in the south this is how pretty much everyone uh was and 0.99

00:53:11.060 how every lynching worked and how justice worked and in the south but atticus finch a man of great

00:53:18.160 presents a defense he points out for example that tom robertson's left arm had been caught in a

00:53:23.480 cotton gin leaving him with a severe physical disability specifically his left arm was useless

00:53:28.880 and also 12 inches shorter than his right arm atticus finch being the clever attorney that he is

00:53:33.720 used this fact to demonstrate that tom couldn't possibly have beaten the girl since she was mostly

00:53:37.980 hit on the right side of her face supposedly that makes some kind of sense even though you know

00:53:41.940 there are ways of beating someone on the other side of the face from where you're where your good

00:53:46.960 hand is but in any event as the novel or wikipedia summary continues it emerges that the white girl 0.99

00:53:52.180 had actually made sexual advances on the black man and that the white girl was beaten by her own 1.00

00:53:57.580 father meaning that there was no sexual assault of any kind committed by tom robinson yes that that's 0.98

00:54:02.840 the twist the white girl is the sexual aggressor against the black man bet you didn't see that 1.00

00:54:07.580 coming unless you were a smart kid in school and you knew that well like every book like every book 0.95

00:54:13.260 that deals with race if we're reading it in school the white person is always going to be the villain

00:54:17.920 every single one every single book uh so if you were smart kid in school you would have picked up on

00:54:22.900 that uh but they were certainly surprised back in the 1960s when they read this um but then despite

00:54:27.940 that fact the jury still convicts tom robinson anyway and that's how racist white people are as we

00:54:32.340 all know and then for a good measure the white people kill tom robinson at the end supposedly he was 0.93

00:54:37.540 escaping but honestly they probably just shot him because he's black and uh that's the gist so you 0.84

00:54:43.180 know really really bad white people doing really bad white people stuff that's the that's the book

00:54:47.720 that's what the book's about again pretty much everyone's familiar with the broad outline um as 0.79

00:54:51.680 a child you probably you know at least pulled up the spark notes uh what you're probably not familiar

00:54:56.660 with by contrast is the backstory for how harper lee the author of to kill a mockingbird came up with

00:55:01.180 this plot and it turns out that in real life harper lee's father was an attorney named a.c. lee and

00:55:07.180 he mostly handled contractual disputes wills estates that kind of thing wasn't exactly a big trial

00:55:12.240 attorney but in december of 1919 several years before harper lee was born a.c. lee took on a

00:55:18.240 criminal case this was the first and last criminal case that he would ever handle here's a newspaper

00:55:23.060 clipping describing the facts of the alleged crime quote aged a confederate veteran is killed in

00:55:29.060 monroe county four negroes charged with murder of bill northrop that's the headline and the article

00:55:34.200 begins news reach here today of the murder of billy northrop an elderly farmer and storekeeper

00:55:39.260 living six miles from lower lower peach tree now back in the early 20th century wasn't particularly

00:55:45.380 uncommon for inexperienced white attorneys to take on cases like this no one else really wanted to do 0.66

00:55:49.900 it so that's what a.c. lee did even though the facts were pretty dire from a legal perspective

00:55:53.920 the article continues quote what is thought to be bloodstains are visible on the overalls worn by brown

00:56:01.180 ezel mr northrop had only one arm and is believed he leaned down to get merchandise from under the

00:56:06.620 counter he was struck over the head and shoulders with a piece of a scantling with such forces to 0.97

00:56:11.800 fracture the skull and shoulder this occurrence on friday night over 150 dollars is thought to have been

00:56:16.300 stolen 70 dollars were recovered by one of the captured negroes and it is said that they had been 0.97

00:56:21.220 spending money freely so the elderly white store owner with only one functioning arm is beaten to death 0.94

00:56:27.080 in his own store and the police later found bloodstains on overalls worn by a black man

00:56:32.100 named brown ezel the father of frank ezel who was also arrested for the murder

00:56:36.340 so this is all sounding familiar and to kill mockingbird the black suspect tom robinson only has

00:56:41.760 one functioning arm that's a key piece of evidence that's supposed to convince the audience that he's a

00:56:45.940 really sympathetic and innocent figure in the case but in real life the black suspects brutally murdered a

00:56:50.100 white guy who had only one functioning arm so in other words harper lee was inspired by true events

00:56:57.080 which you know you might have heard about that in school except she was inspired to completely

00:57:01.580 invert these true events and make it so that the sympathetic person with one functioning arm

00:57:05.620 wasn't the white victim who was murdered but instead was the black suspect it's a bit like writing a book 0.98

00:57:12.000 based on the moon landing except the entire mission control team at nasa is a bunch of dei hires

00:57:17.000 which actually sounds familiar with you know some movies that have been made but things things get even

00:57:22.780 worse for uh to kill a mockingbird when you realize that the younger suspect confessed his role in the

00:57:27.540 murder just before he was hanged so uh that was back when they used to you know hang criminals so

00:57:33.420 we're not exactly talking about a frame job here this was not a case where harper lee's dad did

00:57:37.320 anything heroic or impressive he took on a criminal case for the first time in his life he lost his

00:57:41.940 client confessed and was executed and that's what actually happened in alabama when harper lee's father

00:57:46.120 decided to take on a criminal case involving black defendants but of course if harper lee had written

00:57:50.040 that story that actual story she would not have won the pulitzer and no child would have been 0.59

00:57:56.620 forced to read her book in fact they probably would have you know burned her book and made it a hate

00:58:02.620 crime to read it i mean the book would have been banned from schools not made into mandated reading

00:58:06.340 now you probably didn't know any of this it's not part of the mythology of the book that's taught

00:58:11.580 to students in middle school it's not part of the mythology of the of of you know american history of

00:58:17.840 the south part of that mythology where every single white person south or a bunch of racist 0.97

00:58:22.720 bigots and horrible people and they were just killing black people randomly all the time um 0.94

00:58:26.960 neither is the fact that harper lee actually wrote a sequel of sorts many years after the publication 0.99

00:58:31.800 of to kill a mockingbird the sequel which maybe you heard of is called go set a watchman

00:58:37.220 um and really go set a watchman began as an early draft of to kill a mockingbird but it was released

00:58:43.780 after the fact by harper lee in 2015 just a year before she died and in that book atticus finch is

00:58:49.800 not portrayed as some noble crusader who bravely wages war against all the southern racists instead

00:58:54.100 very early on in the novel atticus is discovered in possession of a pamphlet called the black plague

00:59:00.100 and he attends white supremacist meetings and introduces racist speakers he tells his daughter

00:59:05.660 that blacks in the south aren't ready for civil rights which is a direct quote from the book quote 0.93

00:59:10.580 do you want your children going to a school that's been dragged down to accommodate negro children 1.00

00:59:15.440 and can also atticus also says quote what would happen if all the negroes in the south were suddenly 0.68

00:59:20.120 given full civil rights i'll tell you there'd be another reconstruction would you want your state

00:59:24.380 government run by people who don't know how to run them negroes down here are still in their 1.00

00:59:28.720 childhood as a people they've made terrific progress in adapting themselves to white ways 0.91

00:59:32.660 but they're far from it yet and it goes on from there uh quote all the democratic party has to do

00:59:39.160 with jefferson these days is put his picture up at banquets jefferson believed full citizenship

00:59:43.240 was a privilege to be earned by each man that it was not something given lightly nor to be taken

00:59:47.680 lightly a man couldn't vote simply because he was a man in jefferson's eyes he had to be a responsible

00:59:52.040 man i'd like very much to be left alone to manage my own affairs in a live and let live economy i'd like

00:59:57.060 for my state to be left alone to keep house without advice from the naacp which knows next to nothing 1.00

01:00:02.240 about its business and and cares less so this is not exactly gregory peck's version of atticus finch

01:00:08.440 this isn't the version you were forced to read in middle school um he's a guy who rages against

01:00:13.820 the supreme court for outlawing segregation hates the naacp and thinks the civil rights movement is a

01:00:19.040 fraud and then towards the end of the novel when atticus's daughter freaks out and says she wants

01:00:23.860 to drive away from home saying this isn't the same atticus finch that she thought she knew her

01:00:27.900 uncle jack slaps her across the face um and he tells her that she needs to start facing reality quote

01:00:33.780 you have a tendency not to give anybody elbow room in your mind for their ideas no matter how silly 0.98

01:00:38.220 you think they are that's the message of the sequel of to kill a mockingbird which again is more like

01:00:44.000 a first draft of that book so to put it mildly should be a pretty clear sign why no school assigns

01:00:49.580 this book for children to read it's also pretty clear why when ghost of the watchman was released

01:00:54.100 various news outlets wrote articles about how terrible it was and how it never should have been

01:00:58.040 published because it destroys harper lee's so-called legacy or whatever um now did you know about any

01:01:04.900 of this was ran paul familiar with the backstory here probably not and for being honest that's

01:01:09.160 probably the most interesting part of to kill a mockingbird all all historic context surrounding

01:01:13.100 the book from its origin story to its sequel has been memory hold just read to kill a mockingbird

01:01:19.980 children are told it contains important life lessons supposedly and then when some of those

01:01:24.460 children go on to become u.s senators they repeat the mantra when they're confronted with someone

01:01:28.660 who doesn't believe in civil rights for foreign narco terrorists who are not american citizens

01:01:33.380 the very first thing that comes to mind is is not a rational argument it's not a clever retort 0.52

01:01:38.600 instead they simply ask as ran paul did have you read to kill a mockingbird as if that should end the

01:01:44.600 entire debate the better question for people like ran paul is have you read go set a watchman or did

01:01:49.780 you skip that particular children's book and if so please stop citing the prequel when the sequel is

01:01:53.900 available i mean there's a whole backstory within the harper lee metaverse that you really need to

01:01:58.360 explore immediately it'll change your whole perspective believe me give ran paul a copy of

01:02:04.240 ghost at a watchman who knows he might start calling for nuclear bombs to be dropped on drug cartels

01:02:08.460 overnight as long as we're letting harper lee control our foreign policy from beyond the grave i mean 0.55

01:02:13.140 anything's possible of course for everyone else people who prefer to address facts as they exist in

01:02:17.140 the real world instead of children's literature from the 1960s uh really neither book is worth reading and

01:02:22.520 none of this matters in particular to kill a mockingbird is not based in reality it's not an accurate

01:02:26.840 reflection of life in alabama during the great depression it's not even an accurate reflection of what

01:02:30.460 harper lee's father experienced during the great depression it is instead a very heavily promoted

01:02:34.920 piece of racial propaganda one that's intended as with every other piece of racial propaganda

01:02:40.180 promoted by our establishment to demonize white people and portray black criminals as sympathetic

01:02:45.260 victims of circumstance to kill a mockingbird is a poorly written book whose history has been 0.98

01:02:50.560 sanitized relentlessly in order to continue promoting that narrative and that is why to kill a mockingbird

01:02:57.480 a book that you've almost certainly been forced to read at one point in your life is today very

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The Matt Walsh Show - September 09, 2025

Ep. 1654 - The Media Is Outraged That You’re Outraged By The Murder Of An Innocent White Woman

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