Ep. 1658 - We Aren't Getting The Full Story About Charlie Kirk's Assassination
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Summary
On September 10th, Charlie Kirk was shot to death in his own home in Salt Lake City, Utah. On September 11th, out of nowhere, the shooter confesses that he was the shooter. But what does that mean for the possibility of a political motive?
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Yesterday, just hours before the district attorney of Utah County formally announced
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the charges against Charlie Kirk's assassin, and before he ran through some new evidence
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that authorities had collected, a left-wing journalist named Ken Klippenstein published
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an exclusive article on his Substack, which happens to be one of the most popular political
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Substacks in the country. To much fanfare, Klippenstein reported that he had obtained
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private messages from people who knew the shooter, which were sent on the day that
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Charlie Kirk was killed. These messages were uploaded to a private server on Discord,
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which is a communication service that's popular among young people, particularly young people
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who play video games. Here's one of the screenshots that Klippenstein provided in his article.
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As you can see, at 3.17 p.m. on September 10th, somebody wrote, Charlie Kirk got shot.
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And then around 30 minutes later, somebody writes, dead. Roughly an hour after that,
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somebody else writes, I just saw that video. R.I.P., I guess. Bro didn't deserve to go out like
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that. Sad. And then according to this screenshot, the messages stop there. No one says anything at
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all, again, until late the next day on September 11th at 8.57 p.m. And that message comes directly
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from the shooter. He says he's sorry and tells his friends that he's going to turn himself in.
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And then on September 12th, this message was posted in the Discord server. It reads,
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Hey, everyone, if you have not seen the news yet, Tyler's post is true. He was taken into custody
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earlier today for the shooting of Charlie Kirk. While Charlie Kirk's politics were not acceptable
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to some, I ask that we all say a prayer for him and his family during these confusing times.
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Close quote. Now, the rest of the article contains quotes from one of the shooter's friends claiming he
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was generally apolitical. And then Klippenstein offers this conclusion, quote, Trump and company
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portray the alleged Utah shooter as left wing and liberals portray him as right wing. But the federal
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conclusion will inevitably be that he was a so-called nihilist violent extremist, NVE.
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Now, to recap, some members of the shooter's Discord group shared a small number of screenshots with a
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popular left wing substack author. The screenshots show that the community was mostly focused on video
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games and wasn't celebrating Kirk's death in the slightest. Allegedly, the author publishes those
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screenshots and presents them as proof that the shooter was not actually left wing. Supposedly, he was
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just nihilistic and, you know, angry at the world. Very transparently, the intent of this article was to
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deflect any suspicion from Discord and the people the shooter was interacting with on the platform. And
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presumably, that's why the shooter's friends gave those screenshots to Ken Klippenstein to begin
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with. But in truth, in reality here, the screenshots raise far more questions than they answer. So
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let's pull that first screenshot up again. Let's look at this again. After Charlie is shot, according to
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the screenshot, there's a grand total of five messages on this Discord server written by two people
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about the assassination. And none of them are incriminating or even controversial.
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And these messages stop by 5pm. The entire evening of September 10th, after all this had happened, and
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most of September 11th, the next day until 9pm, no one says anything at all. And then, out of nowhere, the
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shooter confesses. He basically tells an empty room that appears to be uninterested in the Kirk
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assassination, that he did it. Now, this is not evidence, as Ken claimed, that the shooter had no
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political motivations and wasn't operating as part of a coordinated terror plot. It does not exonerate
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the shooter's acquaintances in any way. It's actually very odd, as far as evidence goes. I mean, it suggests
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that some messages from this Discord server may have been deleted or redacted before the screenshots were
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sent to Ken Klippenstein. Which would not be shocking, by the way. I mean, these people obviously
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have every incentive to make it appear as though they didn't know about this and were not celebrating
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it and had no hand in coordinating it. Of course, they have every incentive to do that.
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Or it suggests that they were communicating through a different channel in the interim between the last
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message from the group and the out of nowhere confession from the killer. And it supports the
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conclusion that, for one reason or another, some of the influential left-wing voices in the country,
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as well as close associates of the Sassen, are desperate to hide the shooter's political
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motivation. And in the process, they're getting very sloppy. Now, I say that because Ken Klippenstein
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wasn't the only prominent leftist on Substack to clumsily push a narrative like this. Heather Cox
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Richardson, who I'm told is the single most popular political commentator on Substack,
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wrote that Kirk's assassin had embraced the far right. She said that conservative commentators
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had created a fictional world to argue otherwise. Now, to restate what's happening here, some of the
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most influential voices on the left, not Reddit trolls, not bots on Twitter, actual people with
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large audiences are going out of their way to lie about the murder of Charlie Kirk. And it's not just
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on Substack either. Here's a Jimmy Kimmel show from the other day. Watch this.
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We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize
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this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they
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can to score political points from it. In between the finger pointing, there was grieving.
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So to review, he says, we hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying
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to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them.
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Think about how little this statement makes sense. Charlie was a leader, maybe the single
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most important leader after Trump of the MAGA movement, beloved by MAGA. And now Kimmel is saying
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that MAGA killed Charlie. On its face, it makes no sense. The only way that Kimmel's line could
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possibly make any sense whatsoever is if you had no idea who Charlie was. I mean, you have to be
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ignorant to a chronic degree, either that, or you have to be a committed partisan, someone who
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genuinely doesn't care about the truth. And as we're learning, that's a very good descriptor for
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many leftists in this country and certainly Jimmy Kimmel's entire audience. As we discussed last week,
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there was never any evidence supporting the theory that the shooter was a conservative or an
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apolitical nihilist or any of that. And yesterday when the Utah County DA held a press conference
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outlining additional evidence that's been uncovered in the investigation, that theory, as flimsy and
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unsupported as it was, fell apart finally in its entirety. Watch.
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Robinson's mother stated that the following to police. On September 11th, 2025, the day after the
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shooting, Robinson's mother saw the photo of the shooter in the news and thought the shooter looked
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like her son. Robinson's mother called her son and asked him where he was. He said he was at home sick
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and that he had also been at home homesick on September 10th. Robinson's mother expressed concern
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to her husband that the suspect shooter looked like Robinson. Robinson's father agreed. Robinson's
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mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean
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more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to
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date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. Now, before we continue with
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the press conference, I need to say something about the DA's choice of words here. Public officials should
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not legitimize for any reason the idea that someone can transition between the two genders. This
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roommate was not in the process of becoming a woman because it's not possible for a man to be
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to be a woman. We're talking about a gay man who wore furry costumes, apparently, and wrote emo posts on
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Reddit about how he hated injecting himself with cross-sex hormones. He was destroying his life at a very
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young age in service of a lie. When public officials use terms like transition genders, they're saying
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all that behavior is legitimate. I mean, that's what they are intentionally or not implying. They're
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giving gender transition the stamp of approval from the Utah district attorney's office, but it's not
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legitimate. It's disturbing, unnatural, impossible. And if we want to eradicate transgender extremism in
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this country and prevent more assassinations like this, then we have to drop the pretense that these
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gender-affirming procedures, quote-unquote, have any claim to legitimacy whatsoever. There's no excuse
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for anyone in a position of authority to say otherwise. Now, getting back to the substance of
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the press conference, the DA says that over the last year or so, the shooter became more political,
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leaned more to the left, became preoccupied with transgenderism and gay rights, to the point that,
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as we know now, he began dating his roommate who was, quote-unquote, transitioning.
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And that's according to the shooter's mother, who's obviously going to be a reliable source. And
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later on in communications with his roommate after the shooting, the shooter explicitly stated that he
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had been motivated by Charlie's political statements. Watch. In one conversation before the shooting,
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Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at UVU, which Robert Robinson said
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was a stupid venue for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate. Robinson's father reported
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that when his wife showed him the surveillance image of the suspected shooter in the news, he agreed
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that it looked like their son. He also believed that the rifle that police suspected the shooter used
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matched a rifle that was given to his son as a gift. As a result, Robinson's father
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contacted his son and asked him to send a photo of the rifle. Robinson did not respond. However,
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Robinson's father spoke on the phone with Robinson. Robinson implied that he planned to take his own
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life. Robinson's parents were able to convince him to meet at their home. As they discussed the
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situation, Robinson implied that he was the shooter and stated that he couldn't go to jail and just
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wanted to end it. When asked why he did it, Robinson explained there is too much evil and the guy
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referring to Charlie Kirk spreads too much hate. This is where, once again, it's reasonable to debate
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the narrative we're being told and the facts as they appear. Let's put the messages between the
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trans-identifying roommate and the shooter up on the screen. And what happened is that after the
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shooting, the shooter texted his furry roommate, his trans-furry roommate, that he needed to read a note
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that the shooter had placed underneath the keyboard. And then when the roommate reads the note, which
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confesses that he shot Charlie Kirk, the roommate says, what? You're joking, right? And in response,
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the shooter writes, quote, I'm still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet.
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Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest, I'd hope to keep
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the secret till I die of old age. I'm sorry to involve you. The response from the furry gay roommate
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is, quote, you weren't the one who did it, right? Answer, I am. I'm sorry. Now, already there's something
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more than a little off here. They're not talking like young people in their early 20s. There's no
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emojis or, you know, shorthand or anything like that. Instead, the shooter is talking like a, you know,
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like a medieval knight who's late for dinner at Camelot or something. My love, I'm stuck here
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for a little while longer yet. Is this how people speak to each other in hedonistic homosexual Reddit
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relationships? And then he casually mentions, casually mentions the rifle, giving the roommate
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the opportunity to make it clear that he knew nothing about the assassination. Quote, why did I do it?
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I had enough of this hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. How long have you been planning
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this? A bit over a week, I believe. I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed the rifle as soon
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as I got to my vehicle. Close quote. Now, again, not to get too much into semantics and that sort of
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thing, but, you know, no one refers to their car as my vehicle. And again, that's not how normal
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human beings interact with one another, especially people this age. You would say, as soon as I got
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back to my car, right? Not my vehicle. But more importantly, imagine that your roommate and gay
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lover has just admitted that he's committed a gruesome assassination. The first question you
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would ask probably wouldn't be, oh, really? How long have you been planning that? It couldn't
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possibly be long enough for me to notice, right? Like, that's just not going to be your first
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answer. Someone comes in and says, I assassinated this, you know, political figure. How long have
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you been planning that? Instead, you probably respond immediately with shock and horror, and then
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you tell him to turn himself in and call the police yourself. I mean, you'd be far too panicked and far
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too confused to do much more than that. But that's not what happened here. As far as we know,
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this roommate didn't contact law enforcement, even though a murderer was about to head back to his
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apartment. Instead, he simply stopped responding to the shooter, who proceeded to make a series of
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additional statements that incriminated him and him alone. Quote, if I'm able to grab my rifle unseen,
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I will have left no evidence. I'm worried what my old man would do if I'd bring back, if I didn't
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bring back grandpa's rifle. I don't know if I had a serial number, but I wouldn't, it wouldn't trace to
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me. I worry about prints. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. Remember how I was
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engraving bullets? The messages are mostly a big meme. Now, this is supposedly an intelligent
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individual who received a scholarship to a state university in Utah because of his near-perfect
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grades and test scores, and he appears to be completely unaware that security cameras exist.
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He also doesn't seem to realize how easy it would be to trace the rifle directly to him
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if the authorities recovered it. He also doesn't seem to consider the risks involved in writing a
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confession in, you know, putting a confession in writing, using text messages, literally writing,
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here's how I hid the evidence in a text message that can easily be obtained by law enforcement.
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We're supposed to believe that neither of these guys realize that the FBI can obtain your text
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messages even if you delete them, and it will take them like 45 seconds to do so.
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Instead, he's casually suggesting that he's going to get away with the single most high-profile
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political assassination in a generation, and that his biggest concern is explaining the missing
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rifle to his father, or his old man, as he refers to him. He says he had intended to take the secret
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to the grave with him, but instead he decided to confess to his roommate within like a few minutes.
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Now, this is either extraordinary stupidity, which is written in a very stilted and unnatural
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fashion, written in a language that sounds like chat GPT or something, or it's a pre-planned effort
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to absolve the roommate and others of any responsibility. Now, those are the two options
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here, and you're not crazy if you're leaning towards the latter. That's very much what it
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sounds like, and even if you accept these texts as completely honest and above board,
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you still have to explain this line, quote, remember how I was engraving bullets? The message
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are mostly a big meme. Remember how I was engraving bullets? I mean, that's a pretty big red flag
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as far as red flags go. After all, it's not every day that you come across your roommate engraving
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bullets with any messages at all, much less messages like, hey, fascist catch. You don't engrave
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bullets to go hunting or to go target shooting. You don't engrave bullets when you're going out to
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the range. You don't engrave bullets you might use for self-defense. There would be no point. On
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the other hand, if you want to send a message after you commit a terrorist attack, it makes perfect sense
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to engrave bullets. Like, engraving bullets is something that mass shooters and political assassins
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do. And nobody else, ever. So why didn't this trans-identifying roommate ask about any of this?
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When, according to his name, he saw his gay lover carving messages into ammunition.
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How did he react to that, if he reacted at all?
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Those are questions that federal investigators have to answer. I mean, every indication we have right now,
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whether it's coming from these ridiculous Substack articles or the shooter himself,
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is that a cover-up is underway. The official story does not make any sense. We're led to believe,
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as hundreds of thousands of leftists openly celebrated the murder of a conservative political
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figure, something that conservatives haven't done in the modern history of this country, that somehow
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all the people close to the shooter were horrified by what he had done. The Discord server was mortified.
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The furry roommate was stunned. The furry roommate that had seen him carving bullets was stunned.
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He had no idea. That's what we're supposed to believe. We're supposed to believe that he was
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radicalized into left-wing trans-extremism and began plotting the most high-profile political
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assassination of the century, and did all this without anyone knowing and without his trans-boyfriend,
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who lives with him, catching wind of it. Even though the boyfriend literally saw him engraving
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left-wing extremist messaging into bullets, from a rational perspective, the propaganda is not
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convincing. I mean, at this point, any honest person understands that Charlie Kirk's assassination
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was an act of left-wing LGBT terrorism, and that we're being lied to. And to be perfectly clear,
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again, again, I have absolutely no doubt that this was left-wing terrorism. That's what this was. This was
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left-wing terrorism. Left-wing terrorists are the greatest domestic terror threat that we face.
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They have been killing for years. They killed Charlie Kirk. They will kill again.
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But is there a conspiracy involved in this? I think very likely there is. The conspiracy, though,
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if there is one, is among the other left-wing militants who potentially plotted the attack or knew
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about it, and then staged these messages and communications after the effect to absolve themselves.
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Remember, there were trans activists, trans accounts on X talking about this shooting before it
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happened, which is very, very good indication that it was known before it happened, that there were
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discussions about it, and yet we're supposed to believe that he didn't discuss it with anybody.
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I don't believe that. I don't believe that. Was there a conspiracy here? I think all of the
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evidence and common sense points to, yes, a conspiracy, a far more wide-ranging conspiracy
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among left-wing militants. That is the conspiracy that I find very plausible and which must be
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investigated. And it's very easy to see, it's a very plausible scenario, that he had help and he
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had coordination with other militants. And the plan after the fact was that he was going to take the
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fall. And so he staged these communications that they knew would be found. And that's why it sounds,
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that's why, that's why, that's why, that's what it sounds like. It sounds like this is exactly the
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conversation you would have if you're trying to check all the boxes to absolve this other guy
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and put it all on yourself. Meanwhile, the narrative machine is adapting. They're moving away from
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specific factual claims and entering the realm of perverse and deranged attempts at emotional
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manipulation. Here's ABC's Matt Gutman, for example. Watch.
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We have seen an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon,
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where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it. But also, it was very touching in a way that I
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think many of us didn't expect. A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's
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roommate and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning,
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calling him my love, and I want to protect you, my love. So it was this duality of someone who
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the attorney said not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in
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front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on the other hand,
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he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner. So a very interesting and, as Pierre said,
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He's genuinely moved by these text messages between the cross-dressing furry roommate and the murderer who
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just executed a leading conservative figure in front of thousands of students, including children.
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He's acting like it's a, you know, classic love story. The tale is old as time.
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As the assassin discussed hiding incriminating evidence and demonstrating precisely zero remorse
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or sympathy for the man that he just murdered, ABC News reporter Matt Gutman was touched.
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He was moved by the duality of the messages. Of course, there's no duality here at all. These messages are evil.
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Whether you take them at face value or not, they reflect an ideology of hedonism and violence and murder
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that is fundamentally incompatible with Christianity and Western civilization that indeed is bent on the
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destruction of Christianity and of Western civilization. The shooter and his trans boyfriend,
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you know, they weren't shacking up to glorify God. They didn't do that to bring any joy or new life
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into the world, but in order to commiserate, to hate, to bring others down to a level of their
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miserable, pathetic existence. And that's exactly what they did. That's why one member of this pair,
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at least one member, at least, just extinguished one of the leading Christian voices in the entire
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world. But at ABC, the same network where Jimmy Kimmel works, by the way, incidentally,
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they're not horrified by any of this. They find it thrilling. They can't get enough of it.
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That's right. Ten minutes after this segment aired, the same reporter doubled down. And in some ways,
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this segment's even worse than the first one. Watch.
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Children were present. Children witnessed this. Children were put in harm's way. And that was
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something that obviously is aggravating here. And that's one of the reasons that the suspect,
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in addition to the alleged murder being political in nature, is facing the death penalty. They're going
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for the death penalty. And on the other hand, there is this duality of a very, a portrait of a very
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human person, a very human experience from this entire family. As you mentioned it, the mother
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who essentially discovered that it was her son who had done this, the kid who had got a 34 out of 36
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on the ACTs, who had a 4.0, who got a full ride to college here, that that kid was the one who
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allegedly perpetrated. She saw those pictures and said, identified him essentially. And then those text
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messages. And I don't think I've ever experienced a press conference in which we've read text messages
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that are A, so fulsome, so robust, so apparently, allegedly self-incriminating, and yet, on the
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other hand, so touching, right? With the suspect reaching out to his roommate, who is allegedly his
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boyfriend, who we understand, you know, identified as male at birth, now identifies as female. And the
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terminology he used, he was trying to protect him. He kept calling him, my love, my reason for doing
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this is to protect you, you know, but also asking him to delete the messages and not speak to law
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enforcement. So there's this, this heartbreaking duality that we're seeing very tragically playing
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out. After his report, no producer got in his ear and told him to knock it off. No one at ABC had any
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issue with what he said. So he said it again, with even more emphasis this time. He's happy to wax poetic
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about a murderer's standardized test scores and his touching conversations right after he shot Charlie
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Kirk to death. All these people need to be taken off the air immediately. Jimmy Kimmel, Matt Gutman,
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all these people should not be allowed on the air by their networks. I mean, it is irredeemable.
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And that's not just because of their response to the murder of Charlie, although by itself,
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that would be more than enough. It's because, as everyone can now see, corporate outlets like ABC
00:25:11.280
go out of their way to hide the truth about transgenderism and leftist extremism and the violence
00:25:17.820
that it unleashes on America every day. They exist to hide the truth. Here's just one example of a
00:25:23.920
story that they buried. This is from about a month before Charlie's assassination. Watch.
00:25:28.480
A Washington City woman accused of killing her parents is back in the headlines, this time
00:25:33.380
appealing directly to the Utah Supreme Court. 29-year-old Mia Bailey is facing 10 felony charges,
00:25:39.600
including two counts of aggravated murder and one count of attempted aggravated murder after the
00:25:44.600
shocking deaths of her parents, Joseph and Gail Bailey. Authorities say Bailey also attempted to
00:25:50.300
shoot her brother that same night. She was arrested the next day and has remained in jail ever since,
00:25:55.720
held without bail. Bailey, a transgender woman who legally changed her name and gender in 2023,
00:26:02.700
now finds herself at the center of a legal twist. In late June, Bailey submitted a written request to
00:26:08.700
the judge appealing to the state's decision not to seek the death penalty. Did you hear about this
00:26:13.940
story? Probably not. No one did. I only saw it because of, you know, a random X account posted the
00:26:18.780
footage. A cross-dresser in Utah was supposedly transitioning from male to female. He decides to
00:26:27.440
shoot both of his parents to death. After being arrested, he shows no remorse at all. And then when
00:26:32.940
the state announces that it won't pursue the death penalty, he files a motion requesting that the state
00:26:37.400
change its mind and execute. This demon actually wants to be put to death. And that's an unusual
00:26:44.800
motion, to say the least, kind of thing that in a sane society might get some coverage and some
00:26:48.400
attention. But no one talked about this case. Jimmy Kimmel and Matt Gutman certainly didn't talk about
00:26:52.660
it, and we all know why. The vast majority of trans violence goes unreported. Unless trans-identifying
00:26:59.420
individuals cause mass casualties at schools, churches, or conservative events, which they're doing
00:27:05.060
with increasing frequency, as you've probably noticed, then no one hears about the murders that
00:27:09.880
they're committing against family members or other individuals that they know personally.
00:27:14.680
This is an epidemic of violence that's being hidden deliberately. The Trump administration has the
00:27:20.300
opportunity right now to dismantle this threat. The entire industry of transgenderism must be outlawed.
00:27:26.200
No healthy individual should ever be injected with cross-sex hormones, much less mutilated ever again.
00:27:30.400
And the terror cells that openly advocate for murder on platforms like Reddit, Blue Sky, Discord,
00:27:37.320
must be shut down. Everybody involved hauled to prison. That's how you prevent these militants from
00:27:43.800
coordinating and finding affirmation in their delusions. That's how you prevent them from killing
00:27:48.880
any more of us. One of the many things Charlie accomplished better than anyone else was to have the
00:27:55.140
kind of discussions that aren't allowed on major television networks or social media platforms.
00:27:59.120
So we're going to end with this. It's a clip from one of Charlie's recent campus debates about four
00:28:02.760
months ago. A sociology professor walks up to the microphone. He asks Charlie what Donald Trump is
00:28:07.920
doing to improve the lives of students. And here's how Charlie responded.
00:28:11.960
What I would love to hear from you, genuinely, is what you believe the Trump administration has done
00:28:17.160
in these first four months that is making the economic futures of these young people better.
00:28:22.180
Yeah, I mean, look, he's been in office for like, what, 80 days, but quite a lot. Number one,
00:28:26.820
the price of oil is already down. So it's easier for everyone here to be able to drive home. The
00:28:30.020
gas is going to be cheaper, which also will lower inflation. Number two, a tax bill will hopefully
00:28:36.240
pass, which is no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, largest middle class tax cut in history. So
00:28:41.040
everyone here that's going to have a job where overtime is incorporated, they'll be able to keep
00:28:44.880
more of their money. Number three, we're opening up federal lands to build more homes, which is a great
00:28:49.560
thing because home ownership is way inaccessible for a lot of people in this audience. And it's
00:28:54.400
going to take some time. And one of the main reasons why President Trump won is because we
00:28:58.720
were able to move the youth vote rather significantly and substantially because the Democrat
00:29:04.160
party, A, took younger voters for granted. I think we can agree on that. Absolutely. And B,
00:29:08.840
they did not have an optimistic, hopeful agenda for home ownership, for getting married and having
00:29:13.820
children in this country. So I would like to see the Trump administration go even further
00:29:18.640
and make it so that every young person in this country can have accessibility to be able to own
00:29:23.440
a home. I think they should prohibit major funds like BlackRock from buying up private family homes
00:29:30.020
so that we have to compete against them. And I'll just do another thing I'm privately lobbying for
00:29:35.640
and publicly, because I'll say it here, is I don't think the Chinese Communist Party should be able
00:29:39.820
to buy up farmland in the western part of the United States. Absolutely. And with that,
00:29:44.780
single family homes. So that's just some of the ideas here. Sure. Sure. So can I respond? I actually
00:29:51.540
agree with most of what you're saying. You can tell from the applause that by and large, young people
00:29:56.120
want to hear exactly what Charlie is saying. They want an administration that will make housing more
00:30:00.640
affordable. They want an administration that will stand up to China and BlackRock and the big
00:30:04.600
institutional buyers of suburban homes. They want cheaper gas, so they're commuted and more manageable.
00:30:09.340
These are all proposals that for the typical leftists would seem to align with their agenda.
00:30:14.780
They're certainly not anything like what you would hear from Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or George Bush
00:30:20.580
back in the day. What Charlie is saying is more populist than anything else. Bernie bros would
00:30:25.760
endorse every word of it. As you saw in that footage, even the sociology professor was on board with
00:30:31.360
what Charlie was saying. And maybe that explains why ABC and many other corporate networks have decided
00:30:36.240
to defame Charlie in death. Maybe that's why they're deliberately inciting LGBT terrorism and
00:30:44.780
Charlie was resonating with a wide swath of people, really across the political spectrum.
00:30:52.820
That's what made him so dangerous. And he actually believed in free expression and advancing the
00:30:57.580
interests of people who had no voice. That's why he spent so much time on college campuses listening
00:31:01.800
to random college students recite their orthodoxy and debating them with respect and patience in every
00:31:07.780
single case. He didn't have to do that. He had much more important people he could be
00:31:13.380
talking to. He could have spent his whole career speaking to millionaires and billionaires, but he
00:31:17.980
didn't. Unlike Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Adam Schiff, he actually cared what no name
00:31:24.080
18 year olds had to say because he recognized their importance, not simply as voters, but also as human
00:31:29.240
beings with inherent value. That's why he appeared in public so often in wide open venues. And that's
00:31:35.940
why he was murdered. It's been a week since that day. The official narrative that the media and leftist
00:31:41.800
mouthpieces are trying to push remains incoherent. The text messages don't make any sense. Some of the
00:31:48.800
major news networks have decided to glorify the killers. Many leftists are openly celebrating Charlie's
00:31:54.920
death. This is not sustainable and it's not tolerable. The administration must demonstrate
00:31:59.500
clear and discreet progress in dismantling left-wing terror organizations, starting with the cult
00:32:06.040
of trans ideology. And it needs to do so immediately. The opportunity is there. If the last 24 hours have
00:32:16.160
made anything clear, it's that these people are panicking. They're desperately trying to come up with
00:32:20.620
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00:32:25.500
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about. We're going to go right from the opening to the cancellation today. It'll be a slightly abbreviated
00:33:39.140
show. And I want to talk about this. The assassination of Charlie Kirk was one of the
00:33:47.680
most direct and consequential attacks on the freedom of speech in American history. And
00:33:51.600
regardless of your political beliefs, that's undeniable for Christians and conservatives in
00:33:55.980
particular. The assassination was the latest and most horrifying of many, many recent efforts to
00:34:00.320
undermine our fundamental civil liberties. Christians have been arrested for praying peacefully outside of
00:34:04.960
abortion clinics. They've been punished for refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings, for refusing to
00:34:08.880
fund contraceptives for employees. And now, in a very public fashion, one of the most prominent
00:34:14.140
Christian voices in the country was gunned down for expressing his political views and his faith.
00:34:20.860
Now, in the wake of Charlie's murder, I said something that I still believe is true.
00:34:25.080
I still very much believe. Which is that on the right, and only on the right, now is the time for unity.
00:34:32.860
And I say only on the right, because that's the only place where there can be unity. There cannot be
00:34:38.440
unity with the left. It is literally impossible. They want us dead. They want to kill us. And even if
00:34:45.900
they didn't, we have nothing in common in terms of our values and beliefs and priorities.
00:34:54.720
We have no common ground. At all. None. We cannot agree on even what universe we live in.
00:35:02.860
But on the right, there needs to be unity. We have to put aside any internal squabbling or
00:35:07.220
vendettas that we might have on our own side, and we have to focus instead on crushing left-wing
00:35:12.080
extremism, including the cult of trans ideology. We have to pursue the billionaires who fund this
00:35:17.080
extremism, the NGOs that launder the billionaires' money, the doctors and hospitals that mutilate
00:35:22.360
patients for ideological and financial reasons. This has to be a coordinated and focused effort.
00:35:26.820
There's no room for any distraction or counter-signaling. And it's not an easy task.
00:35:32.800
Our opponents are extremely well-funded, very powerful. But if we cannot accomplish this,
00:35:39.120
then very soon the right to freedom of speech will become a dead letter. If it's not already,
00:35:43.860
the collapse of our constitutional order will follow. And therefore, a unified right is more
00:35:48.620
important than it's ever been. If we're going to have any chance of victory.
00:35:51.660
Now, at the same time, unity is impossible if some conservatives, particularly conservatives in
00:35:58.080
positions of power, don't grasp the fundamental goals of our movement. And that's why, although
00:36:04.060
it's obviously not an ideal situation, I wish we didn't have to do this right now, we do need to
00:36:10.940
talk at some length about the recent remarks of Pam Bondi, the attorney general, particularly what she
00:36:16.620
said on a podcast hosted by Katie Miller, who's the wife of top White House advisor Stephen Miller.
00:36:20.920
Now, you may have seen portions of this interview online, but I'm going to play footage with some
00:36:26.060
more context. Put bluntly, these remarks, along with her job performance in other areas, disqualify
00:36:31.600
Pam Bondi from serving as the attorney general of the United States. They make it very clear that she
00:36:35.740
is not equipped to lead the war on left-wing domestic terrorism that must urgently be waged.
00:36:41.800
And when I talked about unifying on the right, I did, as you remember, make an explicit exception for
00:36:46.520
politicians and public officials. And this is why we still need to be able to criticize them
00:36:50.040
when they drop the ball. And Pam Bondi is dropping the ball egregiously.
00:36:58.180
These universities are complicit in allowing conservatives to be harassed on campus.
00:37:02.920
And what happens when you allow a university to harass
00:37:05.760
conservatives and don't expell or don't take an action is what happened last week.
00:37:11.340
It is. And, you know, on a broader level, the anti-Semitism. What's been happening at college
00:37:17.080
campuses around this country is disgusting. It's despicable. And we've been fighting that. We've
00:37:22.020
been fighting these universities left and right. And we're not going to stop. There's free speech
00:37:27.280
and then there's hate speech. And there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened
00:37:33.520
to Charlie in our society. Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups who are
00:37:40.840
using hate speech and putting cuffs on people so we show them that some action is better than no action?
00:37:46.300
We will absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech,
00:37:54.880
anything. And that's across the aisle. I mean, look what happened. Think about Josh Shapiro.
00:37:59.400
What happened to Governor Shapiro? I talked to Josh multiple times. Democrat, governor, Jewish.
00:38:07.000
They firebombed his house while his wife and children were sleeping upstairs. It's a miracle.
00:38:13.900
Nothing worse happened to. It's a miracle that nothing happened to Josh and he and his family are safe.
00:38:19.780
This should not need to be said. But the concept of hate speech should never be invoked
00:38:26.640
by anyone, much less a conservative and much less a conservative who's the highest law enforcement
00:38:35.920
official in the United States of America. Hate speech is not a real thing. Hate speech is not a
00:38:41.600
valid legal category, as Charlie Kirk himself argued. Hate speech is, if it's anything, it's protected
00:38:50.480
speech, period. You can say hateful things. You have the legal right to say hateful things.
00:38:55.840
You could say the most hateful, bigoted thing you want to say. And the government has no right to
00:39:01.600
punish you for it. Now, you could be, there could be social consequences. There could be cultural
00:39:06.540
consequences. Other people can decide that they don't want to associate with you anymore because you say
00:39:13.060
horrible, vile things and revealed yourself to be a horrible, vile person. That can happen, obviously.
00:39:18.940
But, uh, but, uh, but the, the government cannot punish you on the basis that what you said was
00:39:27.280
hateful. You can say hateful things. You can say hateful things about me. You could say hateful
00:39:34.400
things about, about Christians and conservatives. You can say hateful things about homosexuals.
00:39:40.280
You can target anyone you want with your hateful speech. It is your constitutional right to do so.
00:39:48.280
Again, there might be social consequences, but there should be no legal consequences.
00:39:53.680
And the alternative, as we see in authoritarian regimes like the UK, Canada, or North Korea,
00:39:58.340
is that legitimate political discourse will inevitably be labeled hate speech by the people
00:40:03.060
in charge. If I recorded my podcast, this very podcast in London, I'd be arrested by now. They're
00:40:10.300
dragging comedians and single mothers to prison because they oppose transgenderism and open borders.
00:40:14.500
That's what hate speech means in practice. It means suspending the freedom of expression. It means
00:40:18.640
forcing people to say things that they know are false. At the White House, Stephen Miller, who has
00:40:25.140
vowed to dismantle, uh, left-wing terror groups following Charlie's assassination, understands this very well
00:40:30.120
without mentioning Pam Bondi by name. He put, he basically put her on blast essentially, uh, saying
00:40:36.120
quote, the path forward is not to mimic the ACLU of the mid nineties. It's to take all necessary and
00:40:40.400
rational steps to save Western civilization. That's about as clear as it gets. Stephen Miller, who has
00:40:45.860
been absolutely excellent through all of this, by the way, and through Trump's whole term, absolutely
00:40:50.080
great. He understands that hate speech is a concept that was invented by the left for the purpose of
00:40:57.540
silencing conservative voices. It's a concept that's emboldened extremists, including LGBT terrorists.
00:41:04.480
After all, when the government says it's hateful to affirm the truth, it legitimizes some of the
00:41:09.260
most deranged and psychotic members of society. None of this should require any explanation for
00:41:15.020
anyone, much less the attorney general, but here we are. The day after this podcast aired, Pam Bondi
00:41:19.740
attempted to clean up her remarks in a post on X. Here's what she wrote, quote,
00:41:23.440
hate speech that crosses the line into threats of violence is not protected by the first amendment.
00:41:27.460
It's a crime. Uh, it is a crime for far too long. We've watched the radical left, normalized threats,
00:41:32.360
calls for assassination and cheer on political violence. That era is over. Free speech protects
00:41:36.660
ideas, debate, even dissent, but it does not. It will never protect violence. It is clear that this
00:41:41.520
violent rhetoric is designed to silence others, uh, others from voice and conservative ideals.
00:41:46.240
Now, most of this post is correct. Threats are not protected under the first amendment,
00:41:53.020
inciting, like inciting violence is in calling people to commit violence against some other
00:41:57.120
person is not protected by the first amendment. And leftists are attempting to silence conservative
00:42:02.700
speech using threats of violence as well as actual violence. But in her post, Bondi still uses the
00:42:07.320
term hate speech as if it's a real thing. And that's completely unacceptable and frankly embarrassing.
00:42:12.820
Hate speech is, is hate speech is distinct from threats. Threats are threats. You don't need to
00:42:18.000
use the word hate speech when you're talking about threats. Just say threats. Hate speech is an
00:42:24.180
un-American totalitarian concept that should never be endorsed in this country, period.
00:42:29.740
Now, if you're tempted to make the argument that Bondi slipped up twice,
00:42:34.120
she should be given another chance. Try answering this question. What has Bondi accomplished while in
00:42:38.320
office? I mean, what name a single achievement, name one thing she's done, which would suggest
00:42:43.980
that she's capable of dismantling Antifa and the trans industry and the LGBT terror cells that are
00:42:49.560
celebrating Charlie's assassination. Let's give me one example. You probably can't because everything
00:42:56.660
Bondi has done has been a monumental failure. She botched the Epstein investigation as well as,
00:43:00.880
as we all know, she claimed the DOJ had uncovered tons of evidence in the FBI's New York field office
00:43:05.420
that incriminated a lot of people and then told us that we can't see any of it because it's too
00:43:09.800
graphic. She claimed she had a client list on her desk and nothing, you know, and then, and then
00:43:13.740
we're told that there was no list. She staged that embarrassing and incomprehensible stunt with the
00:43:17.640
Epstein binders. And now in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder, she's talking about arresting people for
00:43:22.300
hate speech. And by the way, not that that it's the most important part of her response, but Josh
00:43:28.080
Shapiro's house was not burned down because of hate speech. It was burned down because of a deranged
00:43:32.340
leftist who was upset about Gaza decided to commit an act of domestic terrorism. The burning of Josh
00:43:37.980
Shapiro's mansion was yet another example of left-wing violent extremism. And here's the key
00:43:43.000
point. No one on the right celebrated the attack on Josh Shapiro's residence, not a single person.
00:43:48.020
It wasn't remotely like the response to Charlie's assassination. There's just no comparison here.
00:43:53.700
And while we're at it, the lunatic who killed Melissa Hortman in Minnesota was a Tim Walls appointee,
00:43:58.280
a psychotic who says that Tim Walls hired him to kill her. The guy who hit Paul Pelosi with a hammer
00:44:05.920
lived in a Berkeley commune with BLM signs right out front. These were not right-wing attacks either.
00:44:12.540
And once again, they certainly were not celebrated by the right.
00:44:16.820
But Bondi wants to both sides this whole thing, even though it's abundantly clear that political
00:44:21.260
violence in this country only ever goes one way. And that's not all. When it comes to embarrassing
00:44:25.100
herself, Pam Bondi has been very busy lately. In case you missed it, a couple of Office Depot
00:44:29.840
employees refused to print a sign honoring Charlie Kirk for a memorial service the other day. And
00:44:34.740
they said they wouldn't print the signs. The employees who looked about as grotesque and
00:44:39.960
miserable as you'd expect claimed that the signs were propaganda. Office Depot responded by firing
00:44:45.840
one of the employees and clarifying that the signs were not propaganda and that they could be printed.
00:44:49.920
And here's how Pam Bondi responded to that incident. Watch this.
00:44:54.060
That's horrific. It's free speech, but you shouldn't be employed anywhere if you're going
00:44:57.660
to say that. And employers, you have an obligation to get rid of people. You need to look at people who
00:45:02.060
are saying horrible things and they shouldn't be working with you. Businesses cannot discriminate.
00:45:07.600
If you want to go in and print posters with Charlie's pictures on them for a vigil,
00:45:11.560
you have to let them do that. We can prosecute you for that. I have Harmeet Dillon right now in our
00:45:16.260
civil rights unit looking at that immediately that Office Depot had done that. We're looking
00:45:21.200
at that. Now, to be clear, the Office Depot employees who refuse to print the sign for
00:45:26.580
Charlie's memorial are scumbags, horrible human beings. That doesn't mean that the federal
00:45:32.380
government can force Office Depot to print the signs. That's not the job of the federal
00:45:38.260
government. Just like a Christian baker doesn't have to bake a cake cake, bake a gay wedding cake if
00:45:42.960
he doesn't want to. Office Depot doesn't have to print a sign for a Charlie Kirk memorial if they
00:45:49.580
don't want to. It's possible for people to do horrible things without the federal government
00:45:56.320
getting involved. And most importantly, conservatives have fought for decades with some very significant
00:46:06.900
success to secure the right to refuse service to anyone. We have been beating this drum over and
00:46:15.020
over and over again for years. This is freedom of association. It's freedom of speech. And now
00:46:20.860
Bondi is attempting to unilaterally just roll back all of that after years and years of conservatives
00:46:26.860
very clearly and explicitly saying that businesses have the right to refuse service.
00:46:31.500
Now we have Bondi claiming that in fact they don't. That if you want a flyer printed, you have a right
00:46:38.620
to have it printed and the printing place has no right to not print it. That's what she's claiming
00:46:44.800
and it's total nonsense. It's just nonsense. It's also egregiously unnecessary, okay? The Office Depot issue
00:46:55.380
was already handled by conservatives using our free speech. It's been handled. It's been handled
00:47:05.860
exactly the way that we said these issues should be. What have we been saying for years? For years,
00:47:10.560
we've been saying, well, if a business doesn't want to bake a gay cake, they shouldn't have to. And then
00:47:14.620
the left says, well, what if they refuse service to you? Should they be allowed to do that? Yes,
00:47:18.500
they should. I don't think they should, right? I wouldn't agree with it if they refuse service to
00:47:25.600
me from my political views, but yeah, they should have that right. Well, would you go then complain
00:47:31.080
and tell everyone? Yeah, maybe I would. I mean, then I have the right, if I get refused service,
00:47:35.520
they have the right to do that. I have the right to go and tell everybody that, hey, this company over
00:47:40.820
here, if you're conservative, they hate you. And so you shouldn't support them. I have the right to do
00:47:45.180
that. That is totally, I'm not using force. This is not the government imposing anything.
00:47:50.420
This is them with their own freedom in the free market saying they don't want to serve me. And
00:47:54.040
then it's me with my free speech and my freedom of association telling people that are on my side
00:47:58.160
that, hey, they don't want you. That's how these things should be handled. And also that was always
00:48:07.240
our response when people said, oh, well, if you let them refuse service for a gay wedding, then what
00:48:13.440
happens if, you know, next thing you know, you have a restaurant that says, well, we're not going to
00:48:18.020
serve black people. What is our response been to that? You know, they say, well, should a restaurant
00:48:24.020
be able to serve, refuse service to black people? Yeah, they should. Actually, they should have that
00:48:29.020
right. You should be able to refuse service to anyone. You do not, you should not be compelled by
00:48:35.080
the government to provide service to anybody. It's your company. It's your business. You can do what you
00:48:40.380
want. However, what, what have we always said? It's like, okay, well, first of all, it's not going to
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happen. Okay. No, no restaurant is going to say we're not going to serve black people. It's not just
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not going to actually happen. And if it did, that restaurant would be out of business in like 50
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seconds. Okay. By the end of the day, they'd be out of business because many other people in the free
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market using their free speech would, would, would be, you know, calling attention to that. And that,
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that company would be out of business almost immediately. You know, that's how these things
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would work, which is why you don't need the government stepping in. So you have to, you know,
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litigating these sorts of issues. Let every company provide service to whoever they want.
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And then, and then as a society, we'll work that out.
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And in this case, that's exactly how it went. The company fired the employee.
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They pledged to print the flyers. The issue was solved. It's over. It's done.
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We were able to, as conservatives, stick to our freedom of association principles while also
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getting accountability for the vile person who refused to print the flyers. We won. And now Pam
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Bondi wants to swoop in after the fact and sabotage everything. And worst of all, she's doing it in the
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name of Charlie Kirk. Charlie was one of the main proponents of freedom of association and freedom
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of speech in the country. Charlie abhorred the idea of hate speech laws. Now there have been far too
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many people in the past week speaking for Charlie, saying what he would or would not want. But in this
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case, I can say with absolute certainty that Charlie would not want hate speech laws to be created and
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enforced in his name. He understood the idea that speech isn't illegal just because it's viewed as
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hateful, whatever that means. But our attorney general, the one person who should understand this
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concept better than anybody, is as clueless as she's ever been. She stands in the way of our very
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urgent mission, which is to dismantle left-wing terror cells, left-wing NGOs that threaten our
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fundamental right to freedom of speech. We need an attorney general who's up to this enormous,
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gargantuan task which is before us. A serious person who can tackle the challenge with decisiveness
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and clarity. Pam Bondi is not that person. And that's why Trump has to cut her loose.
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That's also why she is today canceled. That'll do for the show today. Thanks for watching. Thanks
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