The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 166 - Professor Demands More Diversity In Fire Departments

00:00:00.040 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, a professor at UCLA is concerned that fire departments are not inclusive enough.

00:00:06.480 Also, a Hollywood actor is trying to appease the Me Too mob. Not a smart move.

00:00:11.060 And I had an encounter with a hilariously pretentious self-appointed parenting expert,

00:00:16.480 and I need to tell you what I learned from that exchange.

00:00:19.280 It's great. Trust me.

00:00:21.420 So we'll talk about that today on the Matt Walsh Show.

00:00:26.320 I want to say something very briefly here at the top before we get going.

00:00:30.500 Andrew Klavan, here at The Daily Wire, has been growing a beard recently.

00:00:35.620 And as I'm sure you've noticed if you watch his show, which I hope you do.

00:00:39.680 And I've heard through the grapevine, that is through Twitter,

00:00:43.740 that there has been a campaign among some people within the company to try to convince him, pressure him to shave his beard.

00:00:53.240 Now, I'm not going to name any names.

00:00:56.360 Ben Shapiro.

00:00:57.140 Ben Shapiro, in case you missed that.

00:01:03.240 Let me just say this.

00:01:05.420 I stand with Klavan and his beard.

00:01:08.200 As a fellow beardsman, I have myself experienced beard-related harassment and abuse.

00:01:14.540 You could not possibly understand the persecution that our community faces because of our faces, unless you've been there.

00:01:23.540 Because of my beard, I have been told that I look like a hobo, a Yeti, an unemployed lumberjack, a desert island castaway.

00:01:33.040 I've been called unkempt and disheveled.

00:01:35.400 And this is just my wife talking, okay?

00:01:37.180 You can only imagine what everyone else says.

00:01:38.880 So I stand in solidarity with my fellow bearded Daily Wire host, and I stand firmly against follicle discrimination.

00:01:48.260 And in an act of protest, I will be growing my beard even longer.

00:01:52.820 I will grow it until it is down to my knees or until such a time as when my wife's complaints are growing too loud.

00:02:00.960 Whichever comes first.

00:02:03.300 All right.

00:02:04.020 I just wanted to say that to begin with.

00:02:07.100 Because this is a very important issue to me.

00:02:10.460 All right.

00:02:11.040 Here's a story.

00:02:13.280 The story I really want to start with today.

00:02:14.740 I think it perfectly encapsulates the fatal flaws in the left's identity politics.

00:02:19.640 And that's why I want to talk about it.

00:02:21.140 There was a report on this in the Daily Wire yesterday.

00:02:25.240 You can go see.

00:02:25.840 A UCLA professor named Corinne Bendereski wrote an article in the Harvard Business Review titled,

00:02:32.520 Making U.S. Fire Departments More Diverse and Inclusive.

00:02:36.860 Oh, yes.

00:02:37.760 You know this is going to be good.

00:02:40.000 And it exceeds expectations.

00:02:42.380 All right.

00:02:42.560 So here's how the article begins.

00:02:44.200 It says,

00:02:45.220 Picture a typical firefighter.

00:02:47.100 Who comes to mind?

00:02:48.700 If you imagined a white man, that's understandable.

00:02:50.800 96% of U.S. career firefighters are men.

00:02:53.920 And 82% are white.

00:02:56.500 This is striking, especially when you compare it to the U.S. military, which is 85% men and 60% white,

00:03:02.120 and local police forces, which are 88% men and 73% white.

00:03:06.900 Many fire departments recognize that their lack of diversity is a problem

00:03:10.400 and say that they're committed to increasing racial and gender diversity.

00:03:14.860 And then she goes on a bit later.

00:03:16.280 She says to succeed as a firefighter, stereotypically masculine traits like brawn and courage are simply not enough.

00:03:25.760 I agree.

00:03:26.300 You also have to know how to put out fires.

00:03:27.900 She says, though, that firefighters also need the intellectual, social, and emotional skills required to deliver medical emergency aid,

00:03:37.460 support each other through traumatic experiences, and engage intimately with the communities that they serve.

00:03:42.200 That is a key skill set for firefighters, intimate engagement, whatever that means.

00:03:53.080 She says, and yet in my research on reducing gender bias and my work conducting training on general diversity and inclusion within fire departments,

00:04:01.420 I can only imagine, wouldn't you love to sit in on one of her training sessions?

00:04:09.200 She says, I find that when evaluating fit and competence, firefighters tend to default to a reductive set of traits.

00:04:17.260 Physical strength evaluated through strict physical fitness, for example.

00:04:23.080 Evaluated through strict fitness tests, that is.

00:04:25.840 And these only serve to maintain white men's dominance in the fire services. 0.62

00:04:31.420 Um, she goes on then to complain more about the lack of women in the fire service. 1.00

00:04:35.520 And then she complains that there aren't enough black people as well.

00:04:38.500 Then, of course, you guessed it. 0.98

00:04:40.620 She's also mad that there aren't enough gay firefighters. 1.00

00:04:43.520 Um, she writes, the fire services challenges with diversity go beyond gender and race.

00:04:50.300 Openly gay men are exceedingly rare in the fire service.

00:04:53.980 The men who, uh, the few who are out of the closet face severe social exclusion.

00:04:58.360 Um, and then she quotes a gay firefighter talking about his challenges.

00:05:04.240 So, uh, and then she goes on to talk about the things that fire departments are doing to,

00:05:10.620 to diversify and attract more women and do what she wants. 1.00

00:05:14.500 But she says that those efforts are not good enough.

00:05:17.080 They never are, obviously.

00:05:18.440 So, she suggests that the whole idea of, of being a firefighter, it needs to be changed.

00:05:25.520 The whole paradigm needs to be shifted.

00:05:28.100 Liberals are always looking to shift paradigms.

00:05:30.720 And so, they need to shift this paradigm too.

00:05:32.700 She says that we, we find that reframing the professional prototype of what it means to be a firefighter

00:05:38.900 to emphasize the importance of legitimate, stereotypically feminine traits like compassion 0.97

00:05:43.660 as promising effects on creating a more inclusive environment for women.

00:05:49.280 Um, we had active duty firefighters and members of the general public watch videos of a white male fire captain

00:05:55.280 describing the most important traits of a, of a successful modern firefighter

00:05:59.680 when he listed compassion first, followed by team orientation and physical strength.

00:06:05.860 So, the ability to fight fires isn't even on this list at all.

00:06:09.820 Uh, she says viewers' perceptions of female firefighters' abilities and support for gender diversification policy

00:06:15.000 were much more positive than they were when they watched him present, um, those same traits in reverse order.

00:06:23.160 Yes, because when you're fighting a fire or responding to a medical emergency,

00:06:28.860 the most important thing is that you feel compassionate.

00:06:32.000 Not that you have the skill, strength, stamina, courage, um, knowledge, technical proficiency.

00:06:39.100 Not any of that.

00:06:40.080 No, you have to feel compassionate, right?

00:06:42.400 And, and obviously, if you're ever trapped in a burning building,

00:06:44.960 and, um, let's say there are two people, firefighters outside,

00:06:50.760 one of them is going to, uh, rush into the building to save you, right?

00:06:55.340 And, let's say one of the firefighters is especially strong and especially good

00:06:59.660 at rescuing people from buildings,

00:07:01.920 and the other firefighter isn't as good, but he's very compassionate.

00:07:05.800 Which one would you want rushing into the building when your life is on the line?

00:07:08.840 Obviously the compassionate one, right?

00:07:10.380 Because if you both burn to death, 0.57

00:07:12.340 at least, you know, he can give you a hug 0.96

00:07:15.720 while you're dying amidst the flames, I guess.

00:07:17.960 Now, we could ask the question,

00:07:22.040 why is it actually a problem that there aren't more female and gay firefighters? 1.00

00:07:29.120 And this is almost a scandalous question these days,

00:07:32.580 because it's just assumed that it must be a problem

00:07:36.000 when a certain profession or sector of society

00:07:38.160 is dominated by one gender or one race or whatever.

00:07:42.840 Well, it's only a problem if it's dominated by men, 1.00

00:07:45.480 and especially by white men. 0.57

00:07:46.620 There are plenty of professions that are dominated by women. 1.00

00:07:49.840 Nobody, have you noticed that?

00:07:52.240 Nobody is saying, hey, what can we do

00:07:54.720 to make sure that we get more men involved in hairdressing 0.61

00:07:59.480 or we get more men involved in social work? 0.99

00:08:02.580 What can we do about that?

00:08:04.240 Have you noticed, we're never looking to diversify those professions.

00:08:07.920 The professions, and there are plenty of professions like this,

00:08:10.660 where women are the dominant force. 1.00

00:08:13.240 No, we don't want diversity there.

00:08:15.140 We're fine without diversity there. 1.00

00:08:16.860 No, we only want diversity in areas where men are the predominant demographic representative.

00:08:26.560 But why?

00:08:27.540 Why does it matter?

00:08:28.860 Are straight, white, male firefighters less effective than female firefighters? 0.95

00:08:34.240 Are they less effective than transgender firefighters or gay firefighters? 0.99

00:08:39.580 If they aren't less effective, and if indeed, perhaps, when it comes to men versus women,

00:08:45.200 they're more effective, then who cares?

00:08:47.680 Who cares about the lack of diversity?

00:08:50.420 It seems that the people who complain about a lack of diversity,

00:08:54.020 they still have not figured out why a lack of diversity matters.

00:08:59.480 Have you noticed that?

00:09:00.280 That all the complaints about diversity, nobody can explain what exactly is the actual, tangible,

00:09:09.580 practical benefit of having diversity.

00:09:14.080 No one can ever explain that.

00:09:16.300 So they say, well, there's a lack of diversity.

00:09:18.780 Okay, so?

00:09:19.920 Well, it's bad because a lack of diversity means there won't be diversity.

00:09:26.600 Diversity, this is obviously the problem with treating diversity as if diversity itself is

00:09:34.900 this objectively desirable thing in every context.

00:09:38.120 It's a very modern, it's a very Western concept that says that anything and everything can be

00:09:44.180 improved with diversity, yet nobody, again, can actually explain how that works.

00:09:49.940 And they won't even try, you know?

00:09:51.640 They just insist on it.

00:09:53.180 Well, in the case of firefighters, diversity is, at best, irrelevant.

00:10:00.060 You're not going to find any study proving that more diverse firehouses are somehow more effective

00:10:06.100 in performing their actual jobs, because that's obviously not the case.

00:10:11.640 You aren't going to make a firehouse more effective by replacing some of the men with women. 1.00

00:10:18.480 I think, if anything, very likely it will go in the opposite direction.

00:10:21.560 Now, here's another thing to consider.

00:10:24.220 This article just dismisses the idea that firefighters need to be physically strong and tough,

00:10:32.320 which is absurd, obviously.

00:10:34.400 The author lists other qualities like compassion and the ability to engage intimately with the community.

00:10:41.260 Still haven't figured out what that means.

00:10:42.580 But you notice what she didn't list?

00:10:44.680 If we're going to list things besides just physical strength, and I certainly agree that firefighters need to have other things besides physical strength,

00:10:52.860 although physical strength is clearly extremely important.

00:10:56.260 But there are other things, too, that she didn't list that are not necessarily related to physical strength.

00:11:00.980 How about fraternity, camaraderie, unity?

00:11:05.340 Now, I've never been a firefighter, but I imagine that these things are important in a firehouse.

00:11:11.400 And when it comes to fraternity and unity and camaraderie, then in those contexts, commonality, not necessarily diversity, is what facilitates that.

00:11:23.880 So, if you've got people working full-time in a firehouse, and they've got this stressful job, and they're doing dangerous things,

00:11:31.540 you want them to be unified, you want them to care about each other, to be on the same page, to get along, I think you would want all of that.

00:11:37.920 And it's going to be easier to facilitate that and to engender that when you have commonality.

00:11:50.840 So, even when you look at some of the intangible things, sometimes, if you want to put it this way, a lack of diversity can be beneficial even in those areas.

00:12:03.040 Because the fact is, people relate and get along with, you know, men relate differently to men, they get along differently with men, than they do with women.

00:12:16.940 That's just a fact.

00:12:19.280 But, oddly enough, she doesn't mention that.

00:12:23.020 All right, moving on, moving on to this, the actor Idris Elba, Stringer Bell, for those who have good taste in TV shows,

00:12:29.860 was trending on Twitter the other day, and usually when a male celebrity trends randomly on social media, you know what's coming next.

00:12:39.720 But there was a curveball this time, because he was trending sort of for the opposite reason.

00:12:44.280 He was trending because people were complimenting him.

00:12:47.480 Women and feminists, especially, were complimenting him. 0.97

00:12:49.860 Now, it's not unusual for women to compliment Idris Elba, but in this case, everybody was very delighted with comments that he made

00:12:58.140 about the Me Too movement.

00:13:01.820 In an interview, he was asked if it's difficult to be a man these days in the era of Me Too,

00:13:08.800 and he responded very succinctly.

00:13:11.700 He said, well, it's only difficult if you're a man with something to hide.

00:13:16.500 That was his response.

00:13:18.400 People were very impressed with this.

00:13:20.000 I am not so much impressed with it, because this is precisely the logic that has justified every witch hunt ever in history.

00:13:33.460 The whole thing that makes the Me Too crusade difficult for men is the air of suspicion, the accusatory light that it casts on all men.

00:13:44.620 So, let me ask Idris Elba this.

00:13:49.000 If a man is falsely accused, would you say that it shouldn't be difficult for him, because the accusation is false, and thus he has nothing to hide?

00:13:57.660 No, it's difficult precisely for that reason.

00:14:01.340 Now, I know that, of course, Elba was not really trying to necessarily communicate a fully coherent thought here.

00:14:08.080 He was actually just trying to keep the pitchfork mob from showing up at his doorstep by placating it with stuff like this.

00:14:17.400 But that's not going to work, unfortunately.

00:14:19.440 And that's the other mistake that people make when it comes to witch hunts and pitchfork mobs.

00:14:23.960 They think that they can avoid being targeted by going along with it and by encouraging them.

00:14:29.720 But, see, it doesn't work that way.

00:14:32.360 We've seen how this ends.

00:14:34.060 And it never ends well.

00:14:35.420 That's for certain.

00:14:35.980 One other thing, just in general, just in general about this, if you don't have anything to hide cliche, because that logic is never, never good.

00:14:48.180 It has never been employed to advance any good cause, ever.

00:14:53.440 Anytime someone is saying, anytime someone is using this argument saying, well, if you don't have anything to hide, you know that whatever they're trying to justify by using that argument is terrible.

00:15:03.840 You automatically know it.

00:15:05.980 For reasons that I've explained, but also because everybody has something to hide.

00:15:18.280 As in, everybody has things that they don't want to be made public.

00:15:24.340 But that doesn't make those things evil or illegal.

00:15:27.820 Okay?

00:15:28.020 Just because a person has certain things that they don't want out there in public view, things that they want to keep private, that doesn't mean that they're guilty of anything at all.

00:15:35.780 It's like if a stranger walked up to you and said, or if a cop, if a cop walked up to you and said, I'm going to need to look through your phone.

00:15:44.640 And you say no, and then they say, well, what?

00:15:46.960 Do you have something to hide?

00:15:47.860 You're doing something illegal?

00:15:48.800 Well, I'm not doing anything illegal, but yeah, I have something to hide from you.

00:15:54.820 I want to hide the contents of my phone from you, not because there's anything bad or illegal in there, but just because it's none of your business.

00:16:02.200 That's why.

00:16:02.820 I just want to keep it private because there are things that I want to keep private because I have a private life.

00:16:09.020 The fact that I don't want to open it up for public consumption doesn't mean that I've done something wrong.

00:16:14.660 So that whole, that logic, that whole idea is incredibly dangerously flawed.

00:16:23.740 All right, one other thing.

00:16:27.660 And this starts with a funny story about my son.

00:16:33.800 So yesterday, my, you know, I was at home and my son calls up from the basement and he says, he says, I just hit Jeremiah.

00:16:43.000 I'm going into a corner.

00:16:44.620 Let me know when I can come out.

00:16:46.640 So my son, he smacked his brother and then he put himself in timeout for doing it, which you really have to respect because the kid, I guess he kind of, he looked at the pros and cons.

00:16:57.820 He weighed the risks and rewards and he decided that the reward of pummeling his brother was worth kind of the consequences.

00:17:06.820 And then he faced those consequences like a man. 0.99

00:17:09.160 He owned up to it.

00:17:09.980 So that's, so, so that makes me very proud.

00:17:13.480 And I mentioned this on Twitter, um, just as a funny parenting anecdote, the fact that my son hit his brother and then put himself in timeout for it.

00:17:21.200 So I mentioned on Twitter and people responded by, by laughing about it and so on, but there was one response that was just absolutely incredible.

00:17:30.060 Um, a woman responded to my tweet with a 10 tweet thread, lecturing me on my parenting. 0.96

00:17:37.320 And I want to read this to you because it's just marvelous.

00:17:41.980 Okay.

00:17:42.940 Now here was my original tweet.

00:17:44.500 This is what I said.

00:17:45.300 I said, my son just hit his little brother and then put himself in timeout.

00:17:48.100 That was the, that was the whole tweet.

00:17:49.340 That's all I said.

00:17:50.880 And then this from Heather.

00:17:52.340 Um, and here's her whole thread in response to what I said.

00:17:55.540 This might be a little bit out of order, but this is what she said.

00:17:57.880 She said, to me, that speaks to some possible problems with your parenting style.

00:18:03.660 Children often imitate what they see adults do with everything, but here I am talking about hitting.

00:18:08.800 In other words, he hears you say that hitting is wrong, but perhaps he's been spanked when he's made a mistake.

00:18:14.740 So then he's confused because hitting is wrong, but my dad hits me when I do something wrong.

00:18:19.480 If you have modeled hitting either through spanking or some form of domestic violence, then your child may be imitating your actions.

00:18:26.100 However, he knows that it is wrong because you've taught him with your word that hitting is wrong.

00:18:30.380 This is called cognitive dissonance, and it's very distressing to a child.

00:18:34.640 Use timeout carefully because she's still going.

00:18:37.160 Okay.

00:18:37.500 She's still going.

00:18:38.980 Use timeout carefully because punishment comes with all sorts of collateral challenging behavior and possible psychological damage.

00:18:45.300 It can be very effective for acute challenging behavior like severe self-injury, but it isn't really a good idea to punish minor challenging behavior like sibling rivalry.

00:18:54.220 Also, she's still going on, timeout is only effective as punishment, making the behavior happen less in the future, if time in is reinforcing.

00:19:04.860 In that case, timeout is actually reinforcing his escape from kid work, and you are shooting yourself in the foot.

00:19:10.500 He's getting what he wants and getting out of the task.

00:19:13.000 In short, if I were providing parent coaching for you professionally, we would have a lot of work to do.

00:19:18.900 That was like 10 or 11 tweets because of like 12 words that I said about my son.

00:19:29.900 So there you go.

00:19:31.780 Heather is, and by the way, this was not a joke.

00:19:34.660 She wasn't being satirical.

00:19:35.620 I thought at first maybe she's kind of being satirical and trying to be funny, but no, she's 100% serious.

00:19:42.540 Heather is not only a parenting expert, but she also has ESP. 0.99

00:19:46.240 Because you notice, I never said anything at all about spanking.

00:19:49.740 I never said one way or another about that, but she looked into her crystal ball and she diagnosed my whole existence as a parent, which is very, very impressive.

00:19:58.600 Incredible, incredible stuff.

00:20:00.700 Now, I share this with you because, first of all, it's hilarious.

00:20:05.920 But second, it is an extreme example of a very common phenomenon.

00:20:10.340 It's a phenomenon known on the internet as the sancta mommy.

00:20:14.580 And Heather is like the, she is like the alpha. 0.95

00:20:18.900 She is the mommy of all sancta mommies.

00:20:22.000 And sancta mommies are women who believe themselves to be parenting experts and also believe that everyone in the world is hungry for and in need of their advice. 0.77

00:20:32.340 So that anytime you mention your kids or parenting or family or anything at all, even remotely related to raising children, they will parachute in like Navy SEALs and start offering corrections and criticisms and everything else.

00:20:45.400 Now, women have to deal with this kind of thing much more often than men. 1.00

00:20:51.180 Women are much more often the targets of sancta mommies like Heather. 1.00

00:20:56.100 And they are judged often much more harshly for their perceived parenting lapses than men are.

00:21:02.660 But women are also pretty good at sniffing out the sancta mommies. 1.00

00:21:07.000 So, you know, every woman has other women in her circle who are like this. 1.00

00:21:13.560 And so she knows not to bring up certain subjects around that woman because then she's going to have to endure a lecture about it. 0.99

00:21:21.380 But it's because of these sorts of people.

00:21:24.620 And it's not just, you know, I say sancta mommies.

00:21:27.700 Sometimes there are sancta daddies.

00:21:29.720 That is not nearly as common, but they do exist.

00:21:32.820 And it's because of them that everything about parenting has become controversial.

00:21:39.840 Every aspect of parenting is now a matter of dispute and debate.

00:21:46.420 No matter what you do as a parent, no matter what, no matter what it is,

00:21:52.320 there will be someone out there ready to tell you that it's wrong, it's abusive, it's neglectful,

00:21:57.460 you're ruining your child's life forever. 0.76

00:21:59.060 No matter what it is, it really does not matter.

00:22:03.820 Parenting is hard enough as it is.

00:22:07.320 Parenting is a difficult job.

00:22:10.120 But now it's even harder because parents feel like they have to navigate this minefield.

00:22:16.460 And if they take one small step in the wrong direction, they're going to destroy their children.

00:22:21.100 Because that's what people like Heather have told them.

00:22:24.420 And that is why, here's the moral of the story.

00:22:27.020 It's because of people like Heather and those who are in her camp, though perhaps have a less severe case of whatever she has.

00:22:37.760 But it's because of that.

00:22:40.760 That's why I have, as a parent, I have long been at the point where I just don't care at all what anyone else thinks about my parenting.

00:22:51.140 It makes no difference.

00:22:52.860 Your opinion about my parenting makes no difference to me.

00:22:57.220 It is the least relevant thing to me in the world.

00:23:00.860 I couldn't possibly care any less than I do about what strangers think about my parenting.

00:23:08.400 And I think that if you want to function as a parent in modern society,

00:23:14.840 you have to get to that point where you really just do not care at all what other people think and say.

00:23:20.520 Because if you do care, then you're going to start second-guessing everything you do.

00:23:27.860 And as I said, everything is going to feel like a minefield.

00:23:31.580 And here's the other thing.

00:23:33.900 When you hear someone imparting their parenting wisdom and giving parenting advice,

00:23:39.780 keep in mind that nobody actually has any idea what they're doing.

00:23:45.240 None of us do.

00:23:46.240 As parents, none of us have any idea what we're doing.

00:23:48.740 We're just kind of fumbling along in the dark here.

00:23:51.640 We're trying this out.

00:23:52.840 We're trying that out.

00:23:53.600 We're trying to see what works.

00:23:55.200 I mean, we're dealing with a child is a person.

00:23:59.120 A child is a whole other human being separate from yourself.

00:24:03.020 They have their own mind, their own personality.

00:24:05.360 There's only so much you can do to account for that.

00:24:07.880 There's only so much you can do to control them.

00:24:10.200 And there's only so much you should try to do to control them.

00:24:12.740 So you're dealing with every child is really different.

00:24:17.740 And every parenting situation is different.

00:24:19.940 And so there are some general principles and ideas and approaches that might work.

00:24:24.700 But on a case-by-case, everyday kind of basis, it's just you're really, we're all kind of lost and confused.

00:24:32.980 That's the dirty little secret that nobody will say.

00:24:35.320 We're all just trying to figure it out as we go along.

00:24:37.500 And certainly, if you're talking to another parent who's in the thick of it with you,

00:24:44.600 then they're not any more of an expert than you are.

00:24:47.860 Now, if you talk to someone who's in their 60s and they went through the whole parenting thing,

00:24:55.020 now that might be someone who can have some good advice.

00:24:59.820 My mom and dad have good parenting advice that they can offer.

00:25:03.660 But even people who are older, you also have to keep in mind that they parented kids 20, 30 years ago.

00:25:14.260 They don't actually know what it's like to parent a kid in today's world.

00:25:19.680 And so there are different challenges now that we face that they didn't.

00:25:23.580 And there are challenges that they face that we don't.

00:25:25.360 So it's just, it's different.

00:25:27.560 And we always have to keep that in mind.

00:25:30.120 So, you just figure it out as you go along.

00:25:37.160 And you hope that you're not screwing up your kids too bad.

00:25:39.380 And that's what parenting is.

00:25:41.420 All right, that's all.

00:25:42.840 All right, I'll leave it there.

00:25:44.580 That's my parenting advice.

00:25:47.020 It's just don't screw up your kids too much.

00:25:49.180 That's all you can hope for.

00:25:51.560 We'll talk to you guys tomorrow.

00:25:52.520 Godspeed.

00:26:00.120 Hey, this is Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.

00:26:06.820 You know, you can't know what you should do if you don't know who you are.

00:26:10.500 And that's the problem America has, both in our overseas military commitments and in our politics here at home.

00:26:16.860 We're going to take a look at Trump's withdrawal from Syria and Paul Ryan's farewell.

00:26:21.960 Plus, we've got a special Christmas message.

00:26:24.880 I'm Andrew Klavan.

00:26:26.040 That's on The Andrew Klavan Show.

The Matt Walsh Show - December 20, 2018

Ep. 166 - Professor Demands More Diversity In Fire Departments

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