The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1660 - Christian Faith Was On Full Display At Charlie Kirk’s Memorial And Leftists Are Confused And Mortified

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, Charlie Kirk's memorial shows the best of America, but also brings out the worst in the left.

00:00:06.020 Meanwhile, Jimmy Kimmel returns to the air. He was martyred with a two-day paid vacation, apparently.

00:00:10.980 Kamala Harris emerges from hiding to hawk her new book, and the attacks against Erica Kirk intensify after her brilliant and moving speech at the memorial this week.

00:00:19.320 And we'll talk about all that and more today on the Matt Wall Show.

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00:03:32.180 For as long as Christians have existed, they've been maligned by people who don't understand or who pretend not to understand anything whatsoever about the religion.

00:03:41.800 When the early Christians gathered in secret, they were falsely accused of engaging in all manner of various acts of depravity and debauchery, including ritual cannibalism and other invented atrocities.

00:03:55.540 Christianity was a foreign cult in the eyes of its detractors.

00:03:58.500 There was no room for common ground or mutual understanding because its enemies were too confused and horrified by a faith that they didn't comprehend.

00:04:06.920 Now, if you watch the memorial to Charlie Kirk over the weekend and saw the responses from various corners of the left, then you witnessed a very similar dynamic.

00:04:16.540 In a lot of ways, nothing has changed over 2,000 years.

00:04:19.440 For Christians, the memorial signified that an American revival was underway.

00:04:23.980 You know, I was in the stadium along with tens of thousands of other people.

00:04:28.660 I've never seen conservatives this energized and determined to take back the culture.

00:04:34.460 Every speech for five hours in a row, as you saw, declared Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

00:04:40.780 Never seen anything like that before.

00:04:43.060 Not at that scale, anyway.

00:04:46.080 Tens of thousands of attendees, from musicians to politicians to turning point staffers to members of the general public,

00:04:51.940 were all in the stadium praying together.

00:04:55.140 More than 100 million people were watching online from across the world on various live streams.

00:05:00.880 And many of these speeches were broadcast across all the major networks.

00:05:04.920 And we've just never seen anything like it.

00:05:06.440 It was really extraordinary.

00:05:08.160 But in left-wing circles on social media and in the corporate press, it was a very different reaction.

00:05:13.500 There wasn't awe or hope or joy.

00:05:15.380 Instead, as conservatives memorialized Charlie Kirk, the left entered a state of total bewilderment.

00:05:22.140 They often lacked the words to describe what they were seeing.

00:05:25.540 And as a result, one after another, many of these commentators misrepresented what Christians said at Charlie's Memorial.

00:05:31.940 They also stated that for the first time in their adult lives,

00:05:35.180 they realized that Christianity is a major cultural and religious force in this country.

00:05:40.380 One that's completely unlike any other social or political movement that they're familiar with.

00:05:45.380 But as far as these people were concerned, it was as though some alien race had dropped down from orbit directly into that stadium in Phoenix.

00:05:55.180 Thomas Chatterton Williams is a staff writer at The Atlantic and a faculty member at Bard College in New York.

00:06:01.980 And he compared the experience to visiting a foreign country, one where he doesn't even speak the language.

00:06:07.400 Now, keep in mind as you hear the quote that Thomas Chatterton Williams is supposedly a very well-read and well-traveled individual.

00:06:16.100 He's an intellectual who educates young people.

00:06:18.860 And here's how he responded to Kirk's memorial.

00:06:21.500 Quote, I've spent half of my adult life living in one foreign country after another,

00:06:25.860 and I don't think I've ever felt so estranged from the surrounding culture as I am from the aesthetics and sensibilities of this movement.

00:06:33.300 Not even a criticism.

00:06:34.820 I just feel more at home in Greece than in these images, he added.

00:06:38.860 And they were images of the memorial.

00:06:41.060 I feel more at home in spots where I can't read the road signs than here.

00:06:46.280 Now, for context, he mentioned Greece.

00:06:48.980 Here's what Greece looks like at the moment.

00:06:51.500 Here's what Greece looks like.

00:07:21.840 There's graffiti with profanity on the walls, and they're fighting with riot police.

00:07:26.720 That's the state of affairs in Greece, a conquered nation that's spent the past few weeks rioting over a foreign land.

00:07:33.340 But if you're a writer for the Atlantic, violence and disorder on behalf of foreign territories is actually the ideal situation. 0.54

00:07:39.580 That's what you want.

00:07:40.780 That's what you want to see in America.

00:07:41.740 On the other hand, the Charlie Kirk memorial is somehow alienating.

00:07:46.740 It makes staff of the Atlantic feel estranged.

00:07:50.920 The sight of millions of Christians praying peacefully after one of the most prominent Christians in the country was murdered.

00:07:58.760 That's just too much for Thomas Chatterton Williams.

00:08:01.060 And that raises an obvious question.

00:08:03.960 If he feels that way, why doesn't he just leave?

00:08:06.540 He feels like he's in a strange land where he doesn't even speak the language.

00:08:10.240 So why not head over to Greece and join the mob attacking police officers and vandalizing buildings? 0.97

00:08:15.620 No one in this country would miss him.

00:08:17.800 Our country would be better off without people like him.

00:08:20.620 Seems like a win-win.

00:08:21.420 But apparently Thomas disagrees.

00:08:24.860 Maybe in his next article, which nobody will read, Thomas can explain his reasoning.

00:08:28.800 I don't know.

00:08:29.120 But again, he wasn't the only left-wing commentator far from it who voiced this kind of reaction.

00:08:33.660 This was a common sentiment on the left.

00:08:35.320 Dan Williams, a professor at the University of Sussex in the UK, wrote something similar.

00:08:39.820 Quote,

00:08:40.820 Watching the Charlie Kirk memorial, I'm struck by how extremely culturally distant I feel from this world.

00:08:46.620 Everything about it feels alien.

00:08:48.000 The aesthetics, symbolism, music, rituals, mythology, gurus, ideas, norms.

00:08:53.020 It feels like being exposed to the cultural and symbolic universe of a distant tribe.

00:08:57.800 If I reflect on this, it occurs to me that this feeling must be symmetrical.

00:09:01.660 That they must view the kind of cultural universe I inhabit as similarly alien.

00:09:06.620 In a strange way, despite opposing almost everything about this political project,

00:09:10.820 this reflection makes me feel more empathy for what that project must feel like from the inside.

00:09:18.000 Now, Dan Williams is wrong when he says that this feeling must be symmetrical.

00:09:22.140 Conservatives are exposed to left-wing ideology everywhere we look.

00:09:25.520 I mean, we're used to it.

00:09:26.420 Yeah, it's bizarre stuff, but we're not.

00:09:30.760 We're very much accustomed to it.

00:09:32.980 It's infested the schools, the entertainment industry, the media, and so on.

00:09:36.780 We see it all the time.

00:09:38.020 We understand exactly what these people are trying to do.

00:09:40.600 And we reject it.

00:09:41.340 On the other hand, leftists in general have no familiarity with Christianity.

00:09:47.600 They don't encounter the gospel in their daily lives.

00:09:50.900 They hear Jack Posobiec talking about the armor of God.

00:09:54.420 And, you know, it's like he's speaking in tongues.

00:09:56.720 They see Erica Kirk forgiving the man who murdered her husband, and they just can't comprehend it.

00:10:02.080 And they come across moments like this from Larry Arnn's speech at the memorial, and they genuinely can't understand what they're hearing.

00:10:11.580 Like, it doesn't compute.

00:10:15.100 But this was, to me, just since we're on the subject, one of the most poignant moments from the entire memorial.

00:10:22.060 A moment that doesn't have the same virals.

00:10:24.380 It's not going to go viral like some of the other moments, but I thought it was quite profound.

00:10:28.080 Watch.

00:10:29.540 You know, a good thing is a thing that has being.

00:10:34.140 An assassin is not a thing that has being.

00:10:38.660 The assassin must give up his humanity to destroy something that has being.

00:10:45.480 Charlie lives on. 0.94

00:10:48.520 The assassin will die.

00:10:49.900 Thank you.

00:10:58.080 For people like that Atlantic writer, that speech might as well have been delivered in a foreign language.

00:11:05.700 And that's because in leftist culture, destruction is their great vocation.

00:11:09.560 They destroy police stations.

00:11:10.900 They destroy meritocracy.

00:11:12.460 They destroy the family unit.

00:11:14.020 They destroy children in the womb. 0.99

00:11:15.380 They destroy the rule of law.

00:11:17.320 They don't view destruction and violence as a denial of humanity.

00:11:20.660 They view it as their reason to exist.

00:11:25.360 They talk about it as a positive.

00:11:27.360 They use words like dismantle.

00:11:28.680 This is what they want to do.

00:11:29.760 They want to dismantle.

00:11:31.720 And they certainly don't contemplate the possibility of life after death.

00:11:35.040 So when Larry Arndt says that Charlie is alive and that the assassin sacrificed his humanity,

00:11:41.740 they truly have no idea what he's talking about.

00:11:45.360 They can't wrap their minds around it.

00:11:46.900 I could go through many, many more messages from leftists where they express their state of total confusion,

00:11:54.520 even more than anger, like just confusion and panic about this memorial service.

00:12:01.080 But here's just one more, which received 2 million views on X.

00:12:03.700 It's a response to Stephen Miller's speech, which was excellent at Charlie's memorial.

00:12:08.400 Quote, terms like forces of evil, the good, and the virtuous reflect a dualistic worldview

00:12:15.560 that pits good against evil, a stylistic device often used in totalitarian ideologies

00:12:21.040 to mobilize emotions and demonize opponents.

00:12:25.340 In other words, if you use extremely basic concepts like good, evil, and virtue,

00:12:30.160 which are fundamental to Christianity and to morality in general,

00:12:35.840 to any concept of like objective morality,

00:12:38.560 then you're basically Adolf Hitler.

00:12:41.420 This is the kind of attack that only works if your audience has zero familiarity

00:12:44.940 with Christianity or basic logic and common sense or religion at all.

00:12:51.140 And we've seen this kind of attack from leftists a lot lately.

00:12:54.360 A few days ago, I was accused of using Nazi rhetoric.

00:12:57.940 We talked about this, but by saying that some people are friends and some people are enemies,

00:13:02.820 that distinction, the friend-enemy distinction, makes you a Nazi, I was told.

00:13:08.260 And now they're using the same framing to go after Stephen Miller.

00:13:10.880 Of course, it's not hard to see what's going on here.

00:13:13.340 They're equating Christians with Nazis, 0.68

00:13:14.800 and they're justifying the murder of Christians in the process.

00:13:18.060 That's why you do that. 0.97

00:13:19.000 These people want more destruction.

00:13:21.220 Their ideology demands it.

00:13:23.300 And that's why in just the past two weeks,

00:13:24.980 we've seen three separate examples,

00:13:28.380 three examples in two weeks,

00:13:30.920 of violent terror attacks by leftists.

00:13:34.360 Now, first, of course, there was Charlie's assassination.

00:13:37.720 Then on Friday, a leftist,

00:13:40.180 a lobbyist for public school teachers in California,

00:13:42.740 opened fire on a local ABC affiliate

00:13:44.780 after the network suspended Jimmy Kimmel's show for a couple of days.

00:13:49.000 Yes, he decided to commit a felony

00:13:50.800 because Jimmy Kimmel received a two-day paid vacation.

00:13:55.560 Watch.

00:13:56.900 Well, no one was hurt when at least three bullets

00:13:58.820 hit the ABC 10 station in Sacramento yesterday.

00:14:02.280 Police say the suspect is 64-year-old Anibal Hernandez Santana,

00:14:06.220 who lives in Sacramento.

00:14:07.540 He was arrested on charges of assault with a deadly weapon,

00:14:10.640 shooting into an occupied building,

00:14:11.960 and negligent discharge of a firearm.

00:14:14.280 The sheriff's office confirms that he was now released on bail today.

00:14:18.940 Here's what we know about that shooting so far.

00:14:20.960 Detectives say three shots were fired Friday afternoon

00:14:23.680 into the ABC 10 building in downtown Sacramento.

00:14:26.920 Employees were inside the building at the time,

00:14:29.120 but again, no one was hurt.

00:14:30.780 Even with the suspect identified,

00:14:32.340 police say they don't have a motive for the shooting.

00:14:34.720 Now, it comes the same week that ABC's network

00:14:37.080 pulled Jimmy Kimmel's late-night show from its airwaves

00:14:39.440 over his comments about Charlie Kirk,

00:14:41.780 prompting protests outside the ABC 10 station.

00:14:45.000 So he shoots up a building while employees are inside.

00:14:50.120 He fires three shots directly into the lobby,

00:14:52.220 and then he's released on bail the same day that he's arrested.

00:14:55.620 And the local news claims that they have no idea

00:14:57.700 about a potential motive.

00:14:58.960 Can't figure it out.

00:15:00.660 But the motive is actually pretty clear.

00:15:01.840 The shooter's social media feeds are full of anti-Trump derangement.

00:15:05.500 He also left a note behind in his car which read,

00:15:07.980 quote, for hiding Epstein and ignoring red flags,

00:15:11.280 do not support Patel Bongino and A.G. Panbondi.

00:15:15.600 They're next.

00:15:17.720 C.K. from above.

00:15:19.680 So he's referencing Charlie Kirk as he makes a direct threat

00:15:22.560 against senior Trump administration officials.

00:15:24.720 And yet, despite all this, Gavin Newsom's California

00:15:26.740 immediately released the man from jail.

00:15:29.520 And more accurately, they probably released him on bail

00:15:32.260 because he made these threats.

00:15:35.720 Probably gave him a pep talk in the jail

00:15:37.560 and told him to get back out there

00:15:39.100 and commit some more acts of left-wing terrorism.

00:15:41.620 Remember this case whenever you hear leftists claim

00:15:43.680 that they care about gun violence.

00:15:45.060 I mean, it's a complete and total lie.

00:15:46.300 They want to disarm you while encouraging

00:15:48.280 as many of their foot soldiers to arm themselves

00:15:50.620 and terrorize the country.

00:15:52.720 It's the same reason no one on the left

00:15:54.240 called for gun control after Luigi Mangione

00:15:56.400 shot that insurance executive.

00:15:59.080 The only reason that this man

00:16:00.820 hasn't committed any more crimes, we can assume,

00:16:03.020 is that the FBI moved in quickly.

00:16:05.620 They arrested the shooter for a variety of federal crimes,

00:16:08.040 including firing a weapon in a school zone

00:16:10.200 and interfering with a television broadcast.

00:16:12.720 If the FBI didn't step in,

00:16:14.000 there's a good possibility that this left-wing terrorist

00:16:15.720 would be taking a shot at some conservative right now.

00:16:19.200 That's certainly what other leftists are doing.

00:16:21.020 One day after this attack at the ABC affiliate,

00:16:23.640 on Saturday, a left-wing terrorist

00:16:26.500 shot up a country club in New Hampshire

00:16:28.620 during a wedding party,

00:16:29.800 killing a man in front of his family

00:16:31.540 and wounding several others.

00:16:33.420 And as he did so,

00:16:34.580 the shooter yelled,

00:16:35.380 free Palestine.

00:16:36.760 Watch.

00:16:37.880 So when you say that he was walking to the party,

00:16:39.700 was this actually at the wedding venue?

00:16:41.700 He was not in the wedding venue.

00:16:42.860 He was in the restaurant.

00:16:46.100 And basically, he must have came through,

00:16:48.800 went right, it looked like a target

00:16:50.680 that he was going right for this person.

00:16:52.540 So I feel terrible for him.

00:16:55.700 Did he address him by name?

00:16:56.740 Did you get the sense that they knew who?

00:16:58.680 He didn't hear anything.

00:16:59.400 He just came out and said,

00:17:00.960 yeah, what he said was,

00:17:03.200 the children is safe and, you know,

00:17:04.620 free Palestine.

00:17:06.180 So that is three in two weeks.

00:17:11.340 We're witnessing a full-on left-wing attack

00:17:14.780 on this country.

00:17:16.020 And I don't mean that metaphorically.

00:17:18.640 This isn't simply an ideological attack.

00:17:21.400 They've been waging the ideological battle

00:17:23.400 for a long, long time,

00:17:24.580 and they're losing it.

00:17:26.100 They know they're losing it,

00:17:27.380 so now they're turning to violence.

00:17:29.400 They shot up a Christian school

00:17:31.360 and a Christian church.

00:17:32.660 They killed one of the most prominent conservatives

00:17:34.400 in the country.

00:17:35.420 They murdered somebody at a country club.

00:17:37.260 They fired several rounds at a television studio.

00:17:39.920 They shot at ICE agents,

00:17:42.420 tried to run them over with their cars.

00:17:44.040 They firebombed a peaceful pro-Israel demonstration

00:17:46.500 full of elderly people in a park

00:17:48.020 in Boulder, Colorado.

00:17:48.920 They shot two embassy staffers.

00:17:52.380 They torched the residents

00:17:53.800 of the governor of Pennsylvania.

00:17:55.800 They targeted the GOP headquarters in New Mexico

00:17:58.160 with incendiary devices and an arson attack.

00:18:00.720 All these attacks have taken place

00:18:01.840 in like the last few months.

00:18:04.060 And yet there's been no reckoning by the left.

00:18:06.260 They haven't admitted that they have a problem.

00:18:08.200 Instead, by the millions,

00:18:09.860 leftists are celebrating violence.

00:18:12.080 Last night at the Turning Point event in Minnesota,

00:18:14.460 which Charlie would have attended

00:18:16.100 and where Michael Knowles was speaking,

00:18:18.360 leftists gathered outside displaying these signs,

00:18:20.600 which you can see here.

00:18:22.180 And I'm not going to read them

00:18:23.020 because they're disturbing and grotesque,

00:18:24.760 but they're mocking Charlie's death,

00:18:26.160 just like the hundreds of thousands of people

00:18:27.740 who mocked Charlie's death online

00:18:29.100 over the past few days,

00:18:30.420 because this is what they stand for.

00:18:33.400 They're clueless about what conservatives want,

00:18:35.700 but they're very clear about their own objectives.

00:18:38.900 Actually, I shouldn't say that.

00:18:40.280 There are some on the left

00:18:41.280 who do grasp exactly what conservatives want,

00:18:43.500 although they don't appear to realize it.

00:18:45.800 Here's one clip from an MSNBC analyst

00:18:48.120 talking about Charlie's memorial.

00:18:51.600 Watch.

00:18:52.620 What you're seeing here is a movement

00:18:55.060 called Christian nationalism

00:18:56.420 that merges Christianity

00:18:58.220 as it's been practiced in America for centuries

00:19:01.140 with a very specific interpretation

00:19:03.200 of what the founding fathers wanted,

00:19:06.140 what Aristotle wanted,

00:19:07.720 going all the way back to the ancients.

00:19:09.700 You saw Larry Arnn,

00:19:10.900 who is the president of Hillsdale College

00:19:12.520 and a proponent of this strain

00:19:15.080 of interpretation of the Bible

00:19:17.360 merge Christianity 1.00

00:19:19.260 and protecting the Western civilization values

00:19:23.140 into one and the same thing.

00:19:25.580 It's a very somewhat convoluted argument,

00:19:29.620 but if you distill it into the right talking points,

00:19:32.080 it really hits you in the patriotic heart area,

00:19:35.020 as it were.

00:19:36.220 Well, actually, that's not very

00:19:37.860 or somewhat convoluted at all.

00:19:40.140 I mean, she pretty much nailed it.

00:19:42.420 Yes, we want Christianity,

00:19:44.480 and yes, we want to protect Western civilization.

00:19:46.780 We want both of those things.

00:19:48.960 And it's completely rational

00:19:49.960 to want both of those things.

00:19:52.020 Christianity has profoundly shaped

00:19:53.740 Western civilization.

00:19:55.600 This country was founded on the principle

00:19:57.760 that human rights come from their creator,

00:20:00.020 not from the government.

00:20:00.760 It's Christian at its core. 0.92

00:20:04.760 It was founded on Christian principles.

00:20:07.680 And as it turns out,

00:20:08.780 that was a pretty good principle to adopt

00:20:10.520 because we're now the single most powerful

00:20:12.200 and prosperous country on the planet.

00:20:13.680 So yes, we should embrace

00:20:15.320 and defend Christianity

00:20:16.360 and Western civilization.

00:20:18.220 And if you want to call that

00:20:19.340 Christian nationalism,

00:20:20.820 nationalism,

00:20:21.580 that's perfectly fine by me.

00:20:24.600 Yes, we're Christian.

00:20:25.820 We're nationalists.

00:20:28.120 Christian nationalists.

00:20:29.320 Fine.

00:20:29.620 You can tell this MSNBC woman 0.85

00:20:33.120 is incapable of explaining

00:20:34.440 why any of these ideas are bad.

00:20:37.220 She knows her job

00:20:38.380 is to denounce Christian nationalism,

00:20:39.800 but she doesn't know how or why exactly.

00:20:42.960 So she just kind of giggles

00:20:44.660 and says that

00:20:45.620 it hits you in the patriotic heart area

00:20:48.120 or whatever, as it were.

00:20:51.040 And to be fair,

00:20:52.100 that was a more articulate assessment

00:20:53.800 than the one Don Lemon provided

00:20:55.260 on his podcast,

00:20:56.220 which is apparently still a thing that exists.

00:20:58.440 So what I say now

00:21:02.040 is that what happened in Arizona this weekend

00:21:04.340 was not just a memorial.

00:21:05.480 It was something else entirely.

00:21:08.200 People will tell you

00:21:09.380 that it is about grief.

00:21:10.700 It was about grief,

00:21:11.580 about honoring a man's life,

00:21:12.900 about faith.

00:21:14.380 And on the surface,

00:21:15.560 you know,

00:21:16.160 maybe it looked like that.

00:21:19.020 Tens of thousands gathered.

00:21:20.420 The music swelled.

00:21:21.620 I'm sure some of you saw it.

00:21:23.100 I just saw some of the soundbites.

00:21:25.820 There were prayers and tears

00:21:27.280 and moments of silence.

00:21:29.680 But if you stayed long enough

00:21:31.680 for the little bit that I could stay,

00:21:34.480 and then I said,

00:21:35.140 you know what, I'm out.

00:21:37.000 If you listen long enough

00:21:38.860 and close enough,

00:21:39.920 if you stayed long enough

00:21:40.840 and you listen close enough,

00:21:42.000 you could feel the ground shifting beneath you

00:21:44.080 because

00:21:44.600 that wasn't just about a man who died.

00:21:48.060 This was about a movement

00:21:49.100 claiming divine permission to rule.

00:21:52.580 Now, credit where it's due.

00:21:53.800 This is the first time

00:21:54.700 that Don Lemon,

00:21:55.580 in any context,

00:21:56.480 has made an excellent point.

00:21:58.340 He's come a long way

00:21:59.340 from suggesting

00:21:59.880 that a passenger plane

00:22:01.140 was swallowed by a black hole,

00:22:03.400 which is what he has suggested.

00:22:05.700 Quote,

00:22:06.100 you could feel the ground shifting beneath you.

00:22:08.200 That wasn't just about a man who died.

00:22:09.820 This was about a movement

00:22:10.960 claiming divine permission to rule.

00:22:15.880 That's correct, Don.

00:22:16.800 I mean, I agree with you 100%.

00:22:19.040 Charlie's memorial was much,

00:22:21.840 much more significant

00:22:22.740 than a mere political rally

00:22:24.620 or a funeral.

00:22:25.820 It was an unmistakable sign

00:22:27.600 that Americans,

00:22:28.380 tens of millions of them,

00:22:29.840 are now leading a new American revival.

00:22:32.300 We are rejecting the notion

00:22:33.500 that man can rule without God.

00:22:35.580 We're rejecting the notion

00:22:36.540 that man can determine his own gender

00:22:38.900 or murder his own child

00:22:40.000 or commit acts of domestic terrorism,

00:22:41.920 all of which directly contravene God's will.

00:22:44.840 This is a seismic change

00:22:46.640 in our culture

00:22:47.200 that's so obvious

00:22:48.840 and so profound 1.00

00:22:49.500 that even a complete moron 1.00

00:22:50.540 like Don Lemon can detect it. 1.00

00:22:52.820 That's how monumental

00:22:53.960 this moment is.

00:22:55.980 And the signs are everywhere.

00:22:57.240 A few minutes ago,

00:22:58.300 I showed you images

00:22:59.040 from outside Michael Knowles' event

00:23:00.560 in Minnesota.

00:23:01.880 There were protesters

00:23:02.660 with profane messages

00:23:03.940 mocking Charlie's death.

00:23:06.000 Now let's look at the event itself

00:23:08.460 and see if you notice a difference. 0.99

00:23:10.420 outside there are a couple of disgusting unkempt leftist demons who are celebrating murder 0.97

00:23:33.340 inside there's a packed house of young people who are motivated more than they've ever been 0.89

00:23:38.620 in their lives to save this country in case it's not obvious these events are going to continue

00:23:43.020 the college tours will continue charlie's tour won't miss a single date this is a mass awakening

00:23:48.540 the likes of which we've never seen in this country um certainly not in modern history

00:23:53.000 on the left they're slowly coming around to realize uh what they've done i mean that that's

00:23:58.420 that's why they're fretting about christian nationalism even though they don't understand

00:24:02.480 what those words mean that's why they're saying that we want to claim divine permission to rule

00:24:07.300 and it's why they're saying that we're more radicalized than we've ever been

00:24:11.220 you know they're hoping at some level that we'll deny it they're hoping that we'll call a truce

00:24:16.940 because after all who wants to be called a christian nationalist who wants to be accused of having

00:24:22.680 been radicalized well guess what um we'll embrace that 100 million people will that's what charlie's

00:24:33.260 memorial demonstrated when they say that we're nationalists when they say that we've been

00:24:39.100 radicalized that we're predominantly christian that we want to protect western civilization

00:24:46.080 they are 100 correct on all counts for once we are we are precisely what the left is accusing us of

00:24:54.780 being and that's been their greatest fear for a very long time these people have been terrified of the

00:25:01.640 moment when conservatives would embrace one of these labels that they throw at us rather than running

00:25:07.720 from it constantly and that time is here after the murder of charlie kirk you won't find very many

00:25:14.100 conservative christians who will cower because of a left-wing smear campaign instead you'll find 100

00:25:20.040 million people like charlie people who are capable of thinking for themselves and defending their country

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00:28:32.720 that's policygenius.com slash walsh so we mentioned in the opening i wanted to talk a little bit about

00:28:40.660 that uh that moment where erica forgives her husband's killer you of course have seen this many

00:28:46.640 times by now but um doesn't hurt to watch it again and there's a point that i want to make about it so

00:28:53.640 let's um let's um let's play that that clip again my husband charlie

00:28:58.560 he wanted to save

00:29:02.900 young men

00:29:06.240 just like the one who took his life

00:29:10.060 that young man

00:29:28.600 that young man

00:29:32.360 on the cross our savior said

00:29:35.520 father

00:29:41.020 father forgive them

00:29:42.100 for they not know what they do

00:29:45.220 that man

00:29:48.820 that young man

00:29:52.400 i forgive him

00:29:57.180 but i don't know anymore

00:29:58.880 father

00:30:03.680 father

00:30:07.780 father

00:30:08.440 father

00:30:10.480 father

00:30:10.980 father

00:30:12.640 father

00:30:13.200 father

00:30:13.400 father

00:30:14.180 father

00:30:14.720 father

00:30:15.800 father

00:30:20.100 father

00:30:20.740 brother

00:30:22.020 father

00:30:22.800 father

00:30:23.140 I forgive him because it was what Christ did, and is what Charlie would do. 0.73

00:30:53.040 The answer to hate is not hate.

00:30:56.560 The answer we know from the gospel is love, and always love.

00:31:02.060 Love for our enemies, and love for those who persecute us.

00:31:09.320 Very powerful moment.

00:31:10.700 The whole speech was extraordinary.

00:31:12.760 There's not any superlative that I can heap on it that hasn't already been used, and accurately so.

00:31:18.420 Erica's speech was one of the great speeches I've ever heard, period.

00:31:21.720 It was historical in every sense of the term.

00:31:26.980 But this moment has also caused a lot of debate.

00:31:30.540 And for right now, I'm not worried about what leftists are saying about it.

00:31:35.000 We'll get back to that later.

00:31:36.160 But there are people also on the right, conservatives and Christians on social media that I saw, who were expressing confusion or disappointment in the fact that Erica forgave the assassin who killed her husband.

00:31:51.660 And I saw plenty of comments that said, you know, words to the effect of, well, well, she can forgive him, but I still want him to get the death penalty and that kind of thing.

00:32:01.180 And other people claiming that Erica was, in essence, sort of letting her husband's killer off the hook by forgiving him.

00:32:08.140 But this is a misunderstanding of Christian forgiveness.

00:32:12.700 And in some ways, it's an understandable misunderstanding because the church in the West has been neutered and feminized in modern times.

00:32:21.600 And so concepts like forgiveness have also been neutered and feminized.

00:32:27.440 And the reality is that oftentimes when forgiveness is preached, when it's preached from the pulpit very often, they are indeed preaching a version of forgiveness that essentially means letting bad guys off the hook.

00:32:43.140 The woke DAs and judges who release violent criminals back onto the streets will talk about forgiveness, they'll talk about compassion, they'll cloak it in that sort of language.

00:32:55.100 So that's what people, that's how people have come to understand it.

00:32:57.520 And so when they hear forgiveness, that's what they, that's what they think.

00:33:01.040 But that is not what forgiveness actually means.

00:33:05.320 You can punish an evildoer.

00:33:10.040 However, you can punish him in the most severe way possible. 1.00

00:33:14.040 You can punish him by killing him, by executing him, while also practicing forgiveness. 0.99

00:33:21.800 Forgiveness is not a replacement for justice. 0.96

00:33:25.820 And just to illustrate that point, I posted this on X yesterday.

00:33:29.860 I'll make the point here, just kind of an analogy or an illustration.

00:33:34.480 This came to mind immediately when people were talking about this.

00:33:37.640 But I think about, if you've ever seen Lonesome Dove, it's the greatest, I'm sure I've talked about it on the show before, it's the greatest Western of all time.

00:33:46.760 Technically, it was a television miniseries, but I think it still is one of the great films ever made.

00:33:51.580 Top 10 for me.

00:33:53.060 And there's a great scene about midway through the story, I think, by my memory.

00:33:59.520 And it came to mind when I saw some of the reaction to Erica's speech, in particular, that moment about forgiveness.

00:34:08.040 So if you're not familiar, the story follows a group of cowboys on a dangerous cattle drive from Texas to Montana.

00:34:14.100 And along the way, in the story, they stumble across one of their old friends, whose name was Jake.

00:34:20.400 And he'd fallen in with this gang of murderers and horse thieves. 0.64

00:34:25.060 Even though Jake had never killed anyone himself, he didn't actively participate in the crimes.

00:34:30.560 But he was part of this group.

00:34:33.800 He didn't stand up to his criminal cohorts.

00:34:37.920 He didn't make any real attempt to leave them.

00:34:40.180 He just kind of stayed with them and went along with it.

00:34:42.360 And that meant that in the eyes of our cowboy protagonists, who are led by two retired army rangers, played by Robert Duvall and Tommy Lee Jones,

00:34:52.780 in their eyes, he was just as guilty as the rest of them.

00:34:55.040 And he had to pay the same price.

00:34:57.680 Justice demanded that they execute the whole group, the whole gang, including Jake.

00:35:03.660 And in the show, Jake briefly pleads for his life.

00:35:07.620 He makes the point that he didn't kill anyone.

00:35:09.240 And none of this, you know, none of this was his idea.

00:35:13.160 And he didn't want to do it.

00:35:14.440 It wasn't his fault.

00:35:15.620 But Robert Duvall's character, Gus, had a simple reply.

00:35:18.840 He said, well, you ride without laws, you die without laws.

00:35:21.740 I'm sorry you crossed the line, son.

00:35:24.180 And he was sorry.

00:35:25.300 But Gus knew that, you know, they had to do what they had to do.

00:35:27.820 So they put the rope around Jake's neck and they offer him some final words of kindness and forgiveness.

00:35:35.480 And then they and then they hang him and they left the rest of the gang hanging from the tree as a warning to other horse thieves. 0.64

00:35:43.040 But they cut Jake down.

00:35:44.260 They gave him a proper Christian burial.

00:35:46.900 And then they and then they rode on.

00:35:48.480 It was a it was a tragic moment for them.

00:35:51.520 They didn't want to kill their friend, but they had no choice.

00:35:53.440 He was owed a certain punishment and justice means giving a man what he's owed.

00:35:59.600 And it was just as simple as that.

00:36:01.940 You were a part of this.

00:36:03.220 This is what you're owed.

00:36:05.860 I wish we didn't have to do it, but we do.

00:36:08.960 You crossed the line, son.

00:36:11.440 And that to me is Christian forgiveness.

00:36:13.720 I mean, that that that is that is a a to me perfectly illustrates really Christian forgiveness.

00:36:21.700 The and I know you're not going to hear that in a lot of you're not going to hear that very often.

00:36:27.100 You're not going to hear that scene or anything like it used as an example of Christian forgiveness.

00:36:32.000 And in most churches, they're not going to say a scene in a show or a guy's where, you know, they hang a guy that that is a Christian forgiveness.

00:36:40.560 But it is.

00:36:42.420 It is.

00:36:43.040 The current debate about the concept of forgiveness assumes that we have to choose between punishment or mercy, between justice or forgiveness.

00:36:54.260 But we don't have to choose.

00:36:55.520 These are dimensions of each other.

00:36:58.400 It's not an either or scenario.

00:37:00.180 To forgive a man who commits a heinous crime, what that means is that you don't harbor hatred for him in your heart, that you're not living with resentment towards him, that you want him to be saved.

00:37:16.180 You want him to go to heaven.

00:37:17.100 And you can feel that way about somebody, even as you're putting the noose around their neck.

00:37:29.180 Legally, while carrying out a legal execution.

00:37:34.520 And that is, in fact, the most Christian way to handle violent criminals.

00:37:41.200 That's the most Christian way.

00:37:42.580 It is to pray for their souls and then to send them off to meet God.

00:37:50.220 And then God will decide what happens next.

00:37:54.600 That's justice.

00:37:55.920 And that is forgiveness.

00:37:58.000 Forgiveness does not mean that they don't get punished.

00:38:02.840 That is not what forgiveness means. 0.99

00:38:04.360 Now, if I was in Erica's shoes, if, you know, God forbid, my wife was killed by some evil scumbag, I would certainly want the killer to be convicted and executed for his crimes. 0.98

00:38:19.220 But that wouldn't mean that I would lack forgiveness. 0.98

00:38:23.760 Lacking forgiveness would mean, if I lack forgiveness, it would mean that I am living every day of my life from that moment on, boiling in rage and hatred towards the killer.

00:38:36.340 And hoping not only for his death, which is justice.

00:38:40.320 It's okay to want that.

00:38:41.980 I should want justice.

00:38:44.200 You should, as a Christian, you should want justice in the world.

00:38:47.340 And sometimes that means that a person has to leave.

00:38:51.200 They have to leave the world.

00:38:53.200 They bought their ticket out.

00:38:54.740 And that's justice.

00:38:56.160 So if I wanted that, it wouldn't mean that I don't have forgiveness. 0.63

00:38:59.860 But if I'm hoping, if I'm boiling in hatred, hoping not only for this person's death, but also that they burn in hell, that they aren't saved. 0.98

00:39:08.740 And they burn in hell for all eternity. 0.99

00:39:10.800 Then that would mean that I lack forgiveness. 0.99

00:39:12.980 And here's the thing.

00:39:13.540 And I'll be very honest and say that if I were in that situation, if that did happen to my wife or my child, I feel, and we can't know exactly how we would react, but I feel very sure that I would hate that person until my dying breath.

00:39:31.440 I wouldn't just want them dead.

00:39:33.600 I would want them to burn in hell and be tortured by demons for a billion years and then another billion and another billion after that for all time, which is to say that I think I probably would lack forgiveness in that situation. 0.99

00:39:47.060 I can't say for sure how I would respond to such an atrocity if it happened to my own family, but I'm pretty sure that's how I would respond. 0.98

00:39:55.220 You know, just having a bit of self-awareness, I think I would lack forgiveness.

00:39:58.920 I think I probably would be consumed by hatred, like forever, towards that person who did that horrible thing to the person that I love.

00:40:07.460 I'd probably wake up every morning hating that person and I'd go to bed hating them every day for the rest of my life.

00:40:13.620 But that's my own weakness.

00:40:15.080 I admit that.

00:40:15.880 You know, that is a weakness that I think I would have in that situation.

00:40:20.440 I don't think I'd be strong enough to have anything but burning rage and hatred in my heart for the person who harmed my loved one.

00:40:28.920 But again, and that's the difference.

00:40:33.980 So that's also when we talk about how it takes strength to forgive.

00:40:37.980 Again, all this stuff now, like when you say that it sounds like a cliche, it sounds like, oh, be the bigger man.

00:40:44.960 You know, it's like if you get punched in the nose and you just walk away and somebody says, oh, you were the bigger man.

00:40:51.520 No, you weren't the bigger man.

00:40:52.520 You were afraid.

00:40:53.580 You walked away because you were afraid. 1.00

00:40:54.720 You were a coward.

00:40:55.180 So we use these terms and they don't really mean anything anymore, but there is meaning behind it. 0.97

00:41:01.420 And it actually does take strength to forgive.

00:41:04.460 And this is what the strength would be.

00:41:07.520 You know, you still want justice to be done, but the strength is like the moral and spiritual fortitude to not be totally consumed by hatred and resentment for the rest of your life.

00:41:19.160 That's where the strength comes in.

00:41:20.660 I don't know that I would have that strength.

00:41:21.980 I think I probably wouldn't, but Erica does. 1.00

00:41:25.980 And I mean, I greatly admire that.

00:41:28.540 But again, wanting that person to be punished, punished in the most severe way, the harshest way, that in itself does not mean that you don't forgive.

00:41:39.620 You can forgive and also punish.

00:41:41.640 And that's the point.

00:41:42.600 All right.

00:41:44.800 Our period of national mourning is over.

00:41:48.760 Jimmy Kimmel will return to the air tonight on Tuesday.

00:41:53.200 There was announced yesterday that Jimmy Kimmel's exile is over.

00:41:56.500 It lasted two days, two business days.

00:42:00.040 Right.

00:42:00.400 It was like what Friday and Monday.

00:42:01.820 And that was the extent of it.

00:42:06.420 Maybe three days.

00:42:07.940 I'll give him three.

00:42:09.440 Now, we were told that this is the greatest attack on free speech in our nation's history, which is not a straw man, by the way.

00:42:15.440 Like that is that's really what we were told.

00:42:17.200 And this is it.

00:42:20.140 It was a two day paid vacation.

00:42:23.140 The left's great free speech martyr returns to the air two days later, three days later.

00:42:29.760 Meanwhile, our free speech martyr is dead.

00:42:34.200 He was actually martyred.

00:42:36.500 And yet leftists will look us dead in the eyes and they will tell us that Jimmy Kimmel's ordeal was a greater attack on free speech than the murder of Charlie Kirk.

00:42:44.220 They will they will say that and they believe it.

00:42:47.200 Which is why every celebrity in the country put out a statement condemning Kimmel's suspension.

00:42:53.120 Even though basically none of them did the same for Charlie's assassination.

00:42:57.580 This is this is how desperate these people are to be victims.

00:43:01.500 It's how desperate they are to, you know, find their own martyrs.

00:43:05.540 Because these these are kind of the two categories of martyrs that you have on the left.

00:43:08.880 You know, you're your martyrs are either Hollywood celebrities who experienced some kind of very brief and ultimately meaningless consequence for saying or doing something despicable. 0.95

00:43:20.880 Or your martyr is some violent scumbag criminal who died while being detained by police or while being detained by a good Samaritan on the subway. 0.98

00:43:32.160 Those are your martyrs. 0.98

00:43:33.680 Is there anyone like on the left?

00:43:37.980 Is there any example?

00:43:39.040 Of somebody who was actually a decent human being who contributed meaningfully to the culture in some way.

00:43:47.780 And then was the victim of some kind of violent atrocity and experienced some kind of very severe, you know, punishment for their beliefs.

00:43:57.520 Is there any example of that?

00:44:01.100 I'm sorry, like an actual martyr.

00:44:04.080 I mean, the closest thing you have to a real one is like is, you know, I don't know.

00:44:10.680 Jussie Smollett is the realest martyr they have, I think.

00:44:15.360 Because he was actually at least sort of physically attacked.

00:44:18.600 I mean, he paid the guys to attack him, but still, that's the closest you get.

00:44:25.040 But in any case, Jimmy Kimmel's back on the air.

00:44:27.240 Although not on every station, Daily Wire reports Sinclair Broadcasting Group doubled down on Monday,

00:44:31.620 saying that despite an agreement reached earlier in the day by ABC and late-night comedian Jimmy Kimmel,

00:44:36.160 their ABC affiliates would not air Jimmy Kimmel Live when it returns to ABC on Tuesday.

00:44:40.800 Sinclair owns nearly 40 ABC affiliates across the country.

00:44:45.280 And while those affiliates will preempt Kimmel's show for the time being,

00:44:47.960 the Broadcasting Group released a statement indicating that a deal could be reached in the future.

00:44:52.840 Quote, beginning Tuesday night, Sinclair will be preempting Jimmy Kimmel Live across our ABC affiliates.

00:44:56.700 Discussions with ABC are ongoing as we evaluate the show's potential return.

00:45:02.200 So Sinclair won't be putting Kimmel back on the air, although it sounds like they eventually will,

00:45:08.760 you know, probably soon.

00:45:10.120 So, you know, good news for Kimmel.

00:45:13.360 He gets his show back.

00:45:15.180 And he still gets to play the martyr.

00:45:19.240 He's being martyred even as he continues to do his show.

00:45:22.920 A show that nobody watches or cares about.

00:45:24.920 But, you know, tonight's episode will be the most widely viewed Jimmy Kimmel episode of all time, probably.

00:45:35.020 And he gets to do that and get his $20 million a year, whatever it is, and also play the martyred victim.

00:45:41.100 So it all worked out pretty well for him.

00:45:43.280 Kamala Harris has emerged from hiding.

00:45:46.420 She's hawking her new book that she, of course, didn't write, you know, obviously.

00:45:51.160 And we can also assume that she probably didn't read it.

00:45:53.860 And that's a situation that these politicians are in when they go around promoting their books.

00:45:58.720 That they're promoting a book they didn't write or read.

00:46:01.180 Which is actually pretty normal for them because, you know, most of these people spent years in Congress at some point.

00:46:09.220 And passing legislation that they also didn't write or read.

00:46:13.040 And then they eventually do the same thing with their memoirs.

00:46:15.580 So it kind of, there's some symmetry there.

00:46:17.740 So I want to play just this one brief moment from Kamala's conversation with Rachel Maddow last night.

00:46:22.740 There are other clips that are circulating around of this conversation that I am not going to bother to play.

00:46:28.920 But this moment I will play.

00:46:32.500 This is where Rachel Maddow asks Kamala about Trump's decision to declare Antifa a domestic terrorist organization.

00:46:41.380 Listen.

00:46:42.640 We've also now in an executive order today having, we've got the president describing Antifa, the anti-fascist, it's not even really a movement,

00:46:52.680 the anti-fascist tactics of a portion of the protest movement, as a domestic terrorist organization.

00:47:00.480 What is your reaction to those things?

00:47:02.300 What do you think the appropriate response is to things like that?

00:47:05.580 Well, in normal times, we should and could expect that our courts would step in when asked to declare the legality.

00:47:21.800 Or illegality of what the president is doing.

00:47:27.380 Because, you know, Civics 101, we all know.

00:47:30.520 We've designed our democracy through three co-equal branches of government.

00:47:34.000 The executive, legislative, and the courts.

00:47:37.540 So Kamala's answer is not anything, just a typical word salad.

00:47:42.000 But listen to the framing.

00:47:43.540 It's the framing for Maddow.

00:47:45.080 And this is what they do.

00:47:46.000 You know, when they can't defend the indefensible, they just pretend to be confused.

00:47:52.340 And Maddow acts like she has no idea what Antifa is.

00:47:56.120 Which, and this is the strategy now.

00:47:57.960 You know, they can't defend Antifa outright.

00:48:00.620 At least they can't defend it outright on camera, out loud.

00:48:04.380 So instead, they just deny its existence.

00:48:07.300 Instead, they just do this, Antifa?

00:48:09.100 What is that?

00:48:10.620 Who's ever heard of Antifa?

00:48:12.400 What do you mean, Antifa?

00:48:13.400 Well, I've never, I've never, Antifa?

00:48:17.160 Is that, what is Antifa?

00:48:18.140 Is that a prescription drug?

00:48:22.000 Antifa?

00:48:22.720 I've never heard of it.

00:48:24.200 No idea.

00:48:25.040 What is this Antifa thing you speak of?

00:48:28.260 This is the tack that they're all taking.

00:48:30.760 And it's, and Maddow, of course, is not alone.

00:48:34.280 Here's Chuck Todd, for example, with the exact same talking point.

00:48:38.020 Listen.

00:48:38.160 It's going to be this executive order where they're going to try to create a new classification

00:48:43.380 for anybody on the left who opposes Trump as somehow a member of Antifa and a terrorist.

00:48:49.780 Like, this is coming.

00:48:51.700 And I don't think we are fully, now, I don't think there's any, the problem, like, I don't

00:48:57.420 even know what Antifa is.

00:48:58.660 I know what the definition of Antifa is.

00:49:00.720 You know what the word means, but it's not a group.

00:49:03.140 There is no group.

00:49:04.140 No.

00:49:04.700 And so, but what's dangerous is that by designating it, who's going to define who the group is?

00:49:11.120 And if the Trump administration decides to say, you, George Soros, are a part of this

00:49:15.740 group that I designated, and you're like, no, I'm not.

00:49:18.000 And it doesn't matter.

00:49:19.040 Like, they're going to then use that as some sort of potential opening.

00:49:23.860 And I think that's what's so extraordinarily dangerous about these designations.

00:49:27.780 Like, what he did with, look, he's sort of testing the theory of this case with what

00:49:32.880 he's doing with Venezuela and sort of designating this sort of, well, they're narco-terrorists.

00:49:38.720 Narco-terrorists. 1.00

00:49:39.300 And somehow it allows, by the way, he's using the AUMF.

00:49:43.600 Yeah, of course.

00:49:44.420 As their legal cover on this, which, of course, is just so far removed from what the AMUF was

00:49:51.740 meant to be.

00:49:53.120 I don't even know what Antifa is.

00:49:54.660 It's dangerous to designate a group when you can't define it.

00:49:58.940 Oh, really, Chuck?

00:50:00.060 Did you say the same thing when the Biden administration declared that white nationalists are the greatest 0.95

00:50:05.480 domestic terror threat in the country? 0.61

00:50:08.740 Now, white nationalists, there's a group that isn't actually a group and that nobody can

00:50:14.700 really define.

00:50:16.260 Democrats have been railing against them for years, but what is a white nationalist?

00:50:19.140 Is it just any nationalist who happens to be white?

00:50:22.420 Or is it something more than that?

00:50:23.880 They can't say.

00:50:26.440 Yet they demonize that group, which isn't really a group.

00:50:30.060 Antifa, on the other hand, is a group.

00:50:32.140 It's an actual group.

00:50:33.940 They participate in organized criminal activity.

00:50:38.280 There's even a book called the Antifa Handbook.

00:50:42.260 Okay, when your group has a handbook, it's a pretty good indication that that's a group.

00:50:46.780 Pretty good indication that your group exists is if it has a handbook.

00:50:51.160 Which is exactly why when I say Antifa, or when Trump says it, everyone knows what he means.

00:51:00.080 You can immediately picture it.

00:51:01.480 Now, you can pretend you don't, but you can immediately picture that in your head.

00:51:05.000 Right down to like the uniform.

00:51:06.420 And if I'm out somewhere and I tell you that Antifa showed up, you know what that means.

00:51:15.680 And you know what probably happened as a result of Antifa showing up.

00:51:20.160 Now, on the other hand, if I were to use one of the leftist boogeyman terms, you'll have no idea what I mean.

00:51:28.820 If I tell you that the far right showed up, or white nationalists showed up, you don't know what to picture in your head.

00:51:39.200 Does that mean that somebody in a pointy white hat showed up and started burning a cross?

00:51:43.060 Does it mean that a Nazi in full dress uniform showed up?

00:51:46.940 Or does it mean that like a Christian grandmother showed up and started praying the rosary?

00:51:53.220 It could be any of those things.

00:51:56.400 Well, it's definitely the third, actually.

00:51:57.980 It's like, it's definitely the third because the other two don't exist in this century.

00:52:04.500 But you get my point.

00:52:05.520 I mean, the terms that they use don't mean anything.

00:52:10.180 Antifa, on the other hand, that means something.

00:52:13.900 But they can't bring themselves to just flat out defend this group and their tactics.

00:52:23.540 And so their tactic is to just act confused and obfuscate, which is, of course, what they always do.

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00:54:57.680 Now let's get to our daily cancellation.

00:54:58.800 We've talked on the show today about Erica Kirk's powerful address at Charlie's Memorial, but not everybody appreciated it, as you know.

00:55:13.460 Many on the left have been viciously attacking her for the last two weeks, and especially over the past couple of days after her speech at the memorial.

00:55:21.220 So for our daily cancellation today, I want to play a few examples of these attacks, because it's important for you to know what we're up against.

00:55:29.820 And we are up against the sorts of people who ruthlessly mock and condemn a grieving widow and feel absolutely no remorse about doing so.

00:55:41.160 These are not fringe voices either.

00:55:43.240 I wish they were.

00:55:43.960 I wish I could say that only a very few random leftists have attacked Erica, and that those random voices were widely condemned by all the normal, decent leftists who would never dream of insulting a young widowed mother whose husband was shot in the throat on camera less than two weeks ago.

00:56:00.880 I wish I could say that, but that is not the case.

00:56:03.820 These are not fringe voices.

00:56:05.440 They are not widely condemned on the left.

00:56:08.760 Erica is the one who is widely condemned.

00:56:11.120 And so these are just a few representative samples.

00:56:14.560 Let's start with this one.

00:56:15.540 This is one of the more mild examples that you'll find, because along with mocking and attacking Erica, some on the left are trying to develop very unclear and unspecific conspiracy theories about her.

00:56:28.340 Watch.

00:56:29.520 Nothing is a coincidence.

00:56:31.220 Hold on to that thought.

00:56:32.080 Did you know that Charlie Kirk's father, Robert W. Kirk, was actually the architect for Trump Towers?

00:56:38.580 Also, did you know that Erica Lane Kirk won Miss Arizona USA in 2012?

00:56:45.180 Don't forget, Donald Trump ran Miss America from 1996 until 2015.

00:56:50.140 Seeing the correlation here?

00:56:51.540 Now, not saying age difference is a big thing, but did you know Erica was five years Charlie Sr.?

00:56:56.780 But this is where coincidences aren't coincidences.

00:56:59.480 People, this was so arranged.

00:57:01.420 And there's so much more to Erica Kirk.

00:57:03.340 Kind of like how she was all into basketball, didn't want to be all girly, never liked to dress up, even cut all her hair off and ended up being Miss USA.

00:57:11.980 How does that happen?

00:57:13.040 How do you go from sports to Miss USA?

00:57:15.300 And then they meet at a Turning Point event in 2018, where she's interviewing for a job for Turning Point.

00:57:23.980 Solidified.

00:57:24.380 So this giant talking thumb with a soul patch has put all the pieces together.

00:57:32.880 This 56-year-old man with a backwards hat has cracked the case.

00:57:37.620 Now, what case has he cracked exactly?

00:57:40.720 Who knows?

00:57:42.200 It's not at all clear what he's even trying to imply here.

00:57:45.200 All he's done is recite random facts from Erica's Wikipedia with suspenseful music in the background. 0.99

00:57:51.660 And if you're very stupid, you can make anything sound like a conspiracy if you say it with suspenseful music in the background. 0.99

00:57:57.780 Even the most banal and unremarkable facts become eerie and shocking. 1.00

00:58:02.820 Again, at least if you're stupid. 1.00

00:58:04.940 In this case, Mr. Thumb wants us to see evidence of some kind of unspecified conspiracy 1.00

00:58:10.160 in the fact that Charlie Kirk's dad was an architect and Erica Kirk was a beauty pageant contestant.

00:58:19.120 This is strange, apparently, because Erica also played basketball. 1.00

00:58:24.740 How could an athletic woman who enjoys sports also be in a beauty pageant? 1.00

00:58:29.120 Mr. Thumb is shocked.

00:58:30.280 He's confused.

00:58:31.820 Women who like sports are supposed to transition into men. 0.96

00:58:34.540 Wait a minute, are you saying it's possible for a woman to enjoy traditionally masculine things like sports 0.86

00:58:40.760 while also still remaining a woman?

00:58:44.180 What? How is that possible?

00:58:46.020 What is this sorcery? 0.99

00:58:48.720 And then Erica went on to meet the head of Turning Point USA at a Turning Point event?

00:58:54.820 How? What?

00:58:57.140 Aside from the fact that a Turning Point event is the most logical place for her to have met Charlie,

00:59:02.020 how in the world did that happen?

00:59:03.200 Aside from the fact that there's absolutely nothing even remotely strange or surprising

00:59:07.900 in any of the details he just laid out, how is it possible?

00:59:13.040 How did this really normal stuff happen?

00:59:16.820 Now, granted, to a guy who hasn't left his basement or been exposed to direct sunlight in decades,

00:59:21.400 I guess, you know, the concept of people meeting each other in real life is pretty bewildering.

00:59:26.420 So maybe you can see where he's coming from.

00:59:28.040 But as I said, that was by far one of the more mild anti-Erica videos.

00:59:33.540 It gets much worse than that.

00:59:35.000 And I do think, again, it's important to highlight some of these because we have to know what sort of people we're dealing with.

00:59:40.780 And with that in mind, here's a very brief montage of some of the more vile entries in this genre.

00:59:49.500 Watch.

00:59:49.740 As expected, Charlie Kirk's wife, who everyone was feeling so soulful, oh my god, I don't feel bad for him, but I feel bad for her.

00:59:58.320 Yeah, she's also an incredibly right-wing person who's using this moment to push an authoritarian agenda against the left. 1.00

01:00:05.080 Are you all going to realize that the women who marry these freaks know exactly what situation they're getting into?

01:00:10.760 And the reason they get in that situation is because they want to be there.

01:00:14.720 If you felt yourself some warm, fuzzy, positive feelings after watching the white Christian nationalist event yesterday disguised as Charlie Kirk's memorial service, this one is not for you.

01:00:25.940 And to the MAGA person who right now is in the comments getting ready to type out, you're just jealous?

01:00:31.780 I don't think you thought that one through.

01:00:33.400 So, this is Eric Kirk.

01:00:36.020 Cue the fireworks.

01:00:39.000 She good to go with the tissue?

01:00:40.400 All right, just keep it away from the sparks.

01:00:46.140 Where's the tissue guy?

01:00:47.420 Hey, she held that a little longer than we discussed.

01:00:50.260 Here's where she, uh, she needs to look up to the heavens. 0.95

01:00:56.260 Nailed it.

01:00:57.940 Did you tell her to do that thing?

01:00:59.480 Like, where she mouths her prayer, you know, so everybody can see it?

01:01:03.400 Remind me to tell Wardrobe that they nailed it with the white. 0.76

01:01:08.800 You know, it's very angelic.

01:01:12.220 All right, she's kind of milking the applause thing. 1.00

01:01:14.660 Tell her to get going. 0.90

01:01:15.580 Is she on, like, beauty pageant autopilot?

01:01:20.660 It's giving Amber Heads. 0.96

01:01:22.040 My jaw stepped on a bee.

01:01:23.620 I forgive him.

01:01:25.040 I forgive him.

01:01:26.340 I forgive him.

01:01:27.680 The way she's switching.

01:01:29.340 I'm trying my best to see the authenticity in this woman, but it's so hard.

01:01:35.320 Then she goes on to say, the answer to hate is not hate.

01:01:39.320 The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.

01:01:43.060 Then she says, love for our enemies.

01:01:45.380 Now, all of that does not reflect Charlie Kirk.

01:01:48.640 Charlie Kirk did not reflect love for his enemies.

01:01:51.940 Charlie Kirk hated people.

01:01:53.220 He openly hated people.

01:01:55.360 And he said some of the worst things.

01:01:58.820 Well, that's about as much as I think anyone can stomach.

01:02:03.320 These are hard to watch.

01:02:04.660 They're hard to watch almost in the same way that it would be hard to watch a video of somebody vomiting

01:02:08.960 or of sewage spilling out of an overflowing port-a-potty. 0.56

01:02:13.140 It's disgusting. 0.67

01:02:14.280 It's hideous. 1.00

01:02:15.740 These women in the video are so evil, so deeply wicked, so devoid of love and warmth 1.00

01:02:23.060 that you could see it just by looking at them. 0.99

01:02:26.100 They've been deformed by their own hatred.

01:02:29.340 It seeps out of them like acid out of their pores.

01:02:32.460 It disfigures them.

01:02:34.860 But the videos are instructive.

01:02:37.780 Instructive, for one, because there are so many videos like this,

01:02:41.440 and most of them have hundreds or even thousands of likes and approving comments.

01:02:46.080 Again, these women are not the fringe on the left. 1.00

01:02:48.480 They are the majority.

01:02:49.680 They are the mainstream.

01:02:50.300 And it's also instructive because they are so genuinely confused by Erica.

01:02:57.040 This is kind of the theme of the show today.

01:03:00.080 They're confused.

01:03:01.720 It's like the people on the left that saw these expressions of religious devotion, Christian piety.

01:03:09.680 Confused by it.

01:03:10.380 They've never seen anything like it.

01:03:11.520 And in a similar way, many of them, like the women in those clips, confused by Erica.

01:03:19.880 They see a woman deeply distraught over the loss of her beloved husband,

01:03:24.360 and they can't believe that it's real.

01:03:26.820 They call it performative.

01:03:29.560 They assume that it's all for show.

01:03:31.820 They laugh and they scoff at it.

01:03:34.700 And that is not performative on their part.

01:03:37.140 They genuinely can't understand, even on a theoretical level, what Erica is experiencing.

01:03:44.760 Erica loves Charlie.

01:03:47.440 She is reacting exactly as anyone who loves another person would react in a similar situation.

01:03:54.700 But these women have never loved anyone or been loved by anyone.

01:03:59.300 They look at genuine expressions of grief and mourning the way that, you know,

01:04:03.040 I looked at my algebra textbook in seventh grade.

01:04:06.040 Total incomprehension.

01:04:07.800 Which, like me with algebra, quickly turns into anger and resentment.

01:04:12.580 This is the driving force behind leftism.

01:04:15.680 And it's never been more clear than it's been over the last couple of weeks.

01:04:19.720 This is an ideology driven by people, predominantly women,

01:04:23.660 who have never experienced love or devotion.

01:04:27.100 They've never received it.

01:04:28.780 They've never given it to anyone else.

01:04:31.100 They are lonely, bitter, full of envy.

01:04:33.540 This is why they want to tear down the institution of the family, because they've never had one.

01:04:39.020 At least not a functional or healthy one.

01:04:41.780 It's why they despise marriage.

01:04:44.640 Because they will never find a man who will devote himself to them.

01:04:48.540 And even if they did find such a man somehow, against all odds,

01:04:53.020 they would be incapable of giving that level of devotion in return.

01:04:56.540 They are morally bankrupt, spiritually impoverished.

01:05:00.960 They are starving for love and human connection.

01:05:05.020 But even though they starve for it, they don't long for it.

01:05:09.480 Longing is too beautiful.

01:05:10.820 It's too human.

01:05:11.440 For them, you know, the beautiful and human things are out of reach.

01:05:15.820 They starve for a thing that they don't even want.

01:05:19.660 So instead, they sit in their lonely apartments and they snarl and snipe at anyone who has the things that they don't have and will never have.

01:05:28.760 Love, faith, happiness, even grief.

01:05:31.520 They even envy Erica's grief, because you can only grieve what you have loved.

01:05:36.500 And these people have never loved anyone or anything.

01:05:38.980 Grief is painful, but it's beautiful.

01:05:43.840 Because it comes from love.

01:05:46.280 They have no beauty in their lives at all.

01:05:48.840 They live in total spiritual darkness all the time.

01:05:51.760 So fully absorbed into themselves that they have become the human equivalence of black holes.

01:05:57.680 They don't emit light.

01:05:59.380 They can only consume and destroy it.

01:06:01.040 Or at least they can try.

01:06:03.220 But Erica's light will not be extinguished by these sad, pitiful creatures.

01:06:07.520 Neither will yours.

01:06:08.300 Neither will mine.

01:06:08.980 They'll continue impotently snarling like neutered dogs behind a fence.

01:06:15.420 And we will live our lives of love and faith.

01:06:19.140 We will eventually die and our loved ones will remember us and tell stories about us.

01:06:24.220 Carry on our legacies.

01:06:27.020 They will die and only their cats will mourn them.

01:06:30.780 Until someone else comes along to fill the food bowl.

01:06:33.020 And then even their cats will forget that they exist.

01:06:36.520 And that's what they're actually so upset about.

01:06:39.520 And that is why they are all today canceled.

01:06:43.920 That'll do it for the show today.

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01:06:45.540 Thanks for listening.

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The Matt Walsh Show - September 23, 2025

Ep. 1660 - Christian Faith Was On Full Display At Charlie Kirk’s Memorial And Leftists Are Confused And Mortified

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