The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 167 - The Continued Persecution Of A Christian Baker

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, the Christian Baker, who won in the Supreme Court, is being targeted again by the LGBT lobby. 0.95

00:00:06.560 They just won't leave this guy alone.

00:00:08.760 Also, how old is too old for the presidency?

00:00:11.580 We'll talk about that.

00:00:12.360 And what is the worst Christmas song of all time?

00:00:16.120 We all know the answer, but we're going to, I'll reveal that anyway today on the Matt Wall Show.

00:00:26.760 So you remember Jack Phillips.

00:00:29.180 I've talked about him on the show plenty of times.

00:00:32.340 I think he's one of the great heroes of religious liberty in modern times.

00:00:36.760 And I don't think that's an exaggeration.

00:00:38.300 Well, the vengeful, spiteful bullies of the LGBT lobby will not leave this guy alone. 1.00

00:00:44.500 They just can't. 0.98

00:00:46.580 And so the owner of the Masterpiece Cake Shop, you know, he had the audacity to beat them in the Supreme Court after he refused to make a cake for a gay wedding. 0.56

00:00:57.640 Well, he refused to customize a cake for a gay wedding several years ago, ends up in the Supreme Court, as you know, and he won there. 0.95

00:01:08.260 And that victory has not gone unpunished.

00:01:10.580 So now it's important as we follow this saga, we follow the next chapter in the saga of Jack Phillips versus the LGBT bullies. 0.99

00:01:21.160 It's important to really pay attention because this gives you, it shows you how the LGBT lobby operates.

00:01:26.300 It gives you a very clear look at their methods, and it's a pretty disturbing picture.

00:01:33.200 So backing up for a moment.

00:01:36.720 Jack Phillips is back in court this week, this time for declining to bake a cake celebrating a man's gender transition, his so-called gender transition, quote unquote.

00:01:46.840 And a federal judge said this week that he is inclined to let the case, absurd as it is, go forward, which perhaps will lead eventually to Masterpiece Cake Shop, the sequel, debuting at the Supreme Court within a couple of years maybe.

00:02:04.680 Now, if you recall, the Supreme Court, they smacked down the Colorado Civil Rights Commission for its despicable treatment of Phillips last time around.

00:02:13.680 But it doesn't seem that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission has learned its lesson or taken the lesson to heart because here we are again.

00:02:21.700 So here's the background on this case.

00:02:23.660 In June of 2017, on the same day that the Supreme Court announced that it would be taking Phillips' case, his previous case, a lawyer named Autumn Scardina called Masterpiece asking for a cake to celebrate the anniversary of his so-called transition into a woman.

00:02:43.560 Okay.

00:02:44.240 Now, Phillips, of course, politely declined.

00:02:46.400 And Scardina immediately contacted the Civil Rights Commission, and the petty despots of the commission quickly decreed that he had committed a human rights violation.

00:02:59.760 My understanding of the case is that the man who called, he wanted a blue cake with, you know, a cake with blue icing that's pink inside.

00:03:10.340 He wanted a blue exterior, pink interior to celebrate his gender transition.

00:03:14.380 From what I've read, he didn't ask for any words on the cake.

00:03:18.880 So he didn't ask for the cake to say, happy gender transition day or whatever.

00:03:24.320 So that, of course, raises a question of how would Jack Phillips have known that the cake was for a gender transition?

00:03:31.680 If you just call asking for a cake that's blue outside, pink inside, it's not like Jack Phillips is going to say, now, wait a second.

00:03:38.940 Is this to celebrate a gender transition? 1.00

00:03:40.860 No, you could have just asked for the stupid cake and not said what it's for. 1.00

00:03:45.620 It wouldn't have been a problem. 1.00

00:03:47.360 So how did Jack Phillips know?

00:03:50.100 Well, it must be because Scardina volunteered that information for no reason.

00:03:54.900 Or there was a reason.

00:03:56.300 What's the reason?

00:03:56.960 Well, obviously, the entire thing was nothing but an utterly transparent setup. 0.96

00:04:02.220 Um, Scardina, who had previously harassed Masterpiece Cake Shop with requests for cakes with satanic imagery, he wanted cakes with sex toys. 0.80

00:04:14.440 This time he called on that particular day.

00:04:17.200 This is a lawyer, remember, so he's aware of Supreme Court cases.

00:04:20.140 On that particular day, he calls and, um, and he calls obviously for the express purpose of being denied.

00:04:27.320 He wants to be denied the cake.

00:04:29.780 There clearly is no other reason to tell a baker that the pink and blue cake is meant to celebrate a gender transition.

00:04:35.800 There's no reason to do that.

00:04:36.960 And, and of course, a cake to celebrate a gender transition, which happened, by the way, years ago, is a bizarre and arbitrary occasion for a cake anyway.

00:04:46.700 But if, for some reason, a person really did want a cake for that purpose and genuinely, uh, felt the need to announce it to the person behind the counter at the bakery, there's no legitimate or honest reason to choose the one bakery in the whole country that's famous for having qualms about these kinds of things. 0.89

00:05:08.440 So, Scardina, the lawyer, is, um, is a bully and a harasser and nothing more.

00:05:16.380 No rational person believes that his request was made in good faith. 0.83

00:05:21.200 And even if it was, which I emphasize again, it was not.

00:05:28.420 But even if it was, a business owner has the right to decline to lend his labor and his skill to a celebration of genital mutilation.

00:05:38.440 Um, now Phillips's lawyers, Jack Phillips's lawyers, they've argued that, um, that his belief in the biological nature of sex is a religious conviction.

00:05:48.620 And it may well be, and perhaps that's the best legal framing.

00:05:53.460 So that's why they're putting it that way.

00:05:55.120 But it's also a rational, scientific, intellectual conviction as well.

00:06:00.460 You don't need to be religious to believe that a man is a man and a woman is a woman.

00:06:03.280 And so I, you know, a man should be no more forced to violate his reason than he should be forced to violate his religion.

00:06:11.060 The Colorado Civil Rights Commission wants him to violate both.

00:06:14.060 And they are, they are going along with an obvious setup concocted by a guy who had previously asked, previously asked for a cake featuring an actual working model of a dildo.

00:06:24.580 His words.

00:06:25.180 Um, they're going along with that guy in order to make their point.

00:06:30.460 So this is straightforward persecution.

00:06:35.620 This is a government agency seeking to destroy a private citizen for his personal beliefs and nothing more.

00:06:42.160 And the bureaucrats behind this campaign have obviously now officially forfeited the claim that they're really seeking equality or tolerance or whatever.

00:06:52.000 Um, because they know, like we all do, that Phillips is being railroaded here and, and there aren't even any hurt feelings for them to worry about.

00:07:01.700 Not that hurt feelings matter, but Scardina's feelings weren't even hurt.

00:07:05.560 With the other case, maybe the gay men who were turned down.

00:07:08.920 Now, I think that was a setup also, but if it wasn't, then maybe their feelings were legitimately hurt.

00:07:13.080 That doesn't matter.

00:07:14.520 Uh, who cares?

00:07:15.440 That's not, that's, that's not important.

00:07:17.360 You're allowed to hurt people's feelings in America.

00:07:19.820 But in this case, you don't, you don't even have that to hang your hat on.

00:07:23.500 This guy got exactly what he wanted, which was to not get what he asked for. 0.91

00:07:28.560 He's a conniving, scheming fraud. 0.80

00:07:31.000 And so are the despots in the commission. 0.91

00:07:33.680 No matter your ideological leanings, you should be absolutely opposed to this.

00:07:38.080 You should be outraged by it.

00:07:39.940 Um, this is, this is just, this is a government agency persecuting a private citizen.

00:07:46.460 You should be against that.

00:07:47.760 Even if you hate everything that Jack Phillips stands for.

00:07:51.400 And I feel the need to clarify, um, once again, something that, you know, I, I, I've, I've made this point

00:07:59.160 many times, um, and I doubt that this next reiteration will make any difference whatsoever,

00:08:04.440 but I'm going to say it anyway.

00:08:05.580 This case and all of these kinds of cases have nothing to do with business owners discriminating

00:08:14.440 against certain classes of people or certain demographics of people.

00:08:18.040 In other words, just because you support Phillips's right to decline, to make a certain kind of cake

00:08:22.820 doesn't mean you would or must or should support his right to decline, to serve a certain, um,

00:08:29.280 race or ethnicity.

00:08:30.520 Okay.

00:08:31.040 There is a huge difference between Phillips and a racist business owner who decides, who declines, 0.97

00:08:37.320 uh, uh, or denies service to black people. 0.88

00:08:39.980 So that comparison makes no sense. 0.86

00:08:42.440 It doesn't hold up.

00:08:43.240 It's not the same thing.

00:08:44.100 There's a huge difference between the two things.

00:08:45.600 Um, it's not at all the same.

00:08:48.100 In one case, the business owner is just saying, we don't want to lend our services or our product

00:08:53.720 to this particular event.

00:08:55.820 We don't want to promote this particular idea or belief, but we're happy to serve you as

00:09:00.900 a person in, in the other hand, on the other hand, the business owner is saying, we don't

00:09:08.680 want to serve you as a person.

00:09:10.660 It doesn't matter what the product is.

00:09:12.260 It doesn't matter what the event is.

00:09:13.400 It's you as a person, as a black person or whatever that we are refusing to serve. 0.74

00:09:18.260 Those are two completely different things. 0.98

00:09:20.960 If Jack Phillips had said, you're a gay, you know, you're a gay couple. 0.99

00:09:25.420 You're not welcome in this establishment. 0.98

00:09:27.200 That would be one thing, but that's not what he said.

00:09:29.300 In fact, he said, you can buy whatever you want here.

00:09:31.960 You're welcome to buy whatever you want.

00:09:33.740 I just can't customize a cake specifically for a gay wedding. 1.00

00:09:37.940 I'll customize a cake for your birthday, for, for your, for Halloween, for whatever you

00:09:43.260 want.

00:09:43.740 Or in fact, well, actually he doesn't do Halloween cakes because he doesn't, which is, which is

00:09:47.100 another good point that Jack Phillips is, is a, the particular kind of Christian that

00:09:52.240 is opposed to Halloween.

00:09:53.680 So he doesn't make Halloween cakes.

00:09:55.420 Um, that's an event.

00:09:56.640 Is he discriminating against people who celebrate Halloween?

00:09:59.320 No, he just, that's just, he doesn't believe in it.

00:10:01.240 I believe in Halloween.

00:10:03.320 I believe, I believe in Halloween.

00:10:04.820 I'm fine with Halloween.

00:10:06.600 Um, I don't have any problem with, with Halloween.

00:10:10.180 So if I went to Jack Phillips and I said, can you make a cake for Halloween?

00:10:13.800 And he said, no, uh, I wouldn't think, I wouldn't say I'm being discriminated against.

00:10:17.760 I would say, well, this is a guy that just has a problem with this particular event.

00:10:20.800 Fine.

00:10:21.120 I'll go, so I'll go to one of the other 50,000 different bakeries or stores where I can go

00:10:25.960 to get this kind of cake.

00:10:27.880 Um, so there's a difference between that and refusing to serve a certain kind of person.

00:10:31.560 Now, as it happens, I do believe that business owners have the right or should have the right

00:10:37.780 to deny service to anyone for any reason. 0.82

00:10:40.600 So yes, if it were up to me, I would let a racist business owner deny service to black 0.98

00:10:45.920 people. 0.99

00:10:46.300 I would let a business owner, um, hang a sign in the window saying we don't serve black 0.99

00:10:51.100 people here. 1.00

00:10:51.600 Black people not welcome. 1.00

00:10:52.780 I would allow that if it were up to me, it's his business. 0.99

00:10:55.760 It's his labor.

00:10:56.600 It's his property.

00:10:57.580 It's his, it's not societies. 0.96

00:10:59.060 It's not the customers.

00:11:00.140 It's not the collectives.

00:11:01.480 It's not the countries.

00:11:02.560 It's not the governments.

00:11:03.340 It's his. 0.60

00:11:04.360 And if he wants to destroy his business overnight by hanging a no blacks allowed sign in the 0.98

00:11:09.620 window, so be it. 0.80

00:11:11.260 He'll be bankrupt within 12 hours.

00:11:13.340 That's his loss.

00:11:15.160 I mean, if you're against racism, you should be fine with that.

00:11:17.980 You should say, yeah, all the racist business owners, go ahead. 0.56

00:11:21.760 Advertise your racism and then we'll, and then you'll be finished. 0.95

00:11:24.900 You're not going to have a business anymore.

00:11:26.480 More.

00:11:26.940 The market will punish you.

00:11:29.080 Now it may 50, 60 years ago, it, it, it would have been different in a lot of places in

00:11:34.440 the country.

00:11:35.400 Um, so maybe that's a different case, but these days there is just nowhere in the country where

00:11:42.080 you could get away with being an openly racist business owner, denying service to everyone,

00:11:48.080 except white people.

00:11:48.820 You couldn't possibly get away with that without going, going out of business immediately. 0.75

00:11:52.820 And so fine, the market will take care of it.

00:11:55.200 The market will punish you as well.

00:11:57.180 It should, um, besides if you're patronizing an establishment that's run by someone who

00:12:03.260 hates your guts because of your race, wouldn't you like to know it so you can patronize somewhere 1.00

00:12:08.560 else? 0.98

00:12:08.940 So that's, that's the way that should work in my opinion, but that has nothing again

00:12:14.860 to do with the masterpiece cake.

00:12:17.220 They are completely different.

00:12:20.020 It is perfectly possible and perfectly reasonable, perfectly consistent to take a less libertarian

00:12:26.200 view than I do on the general issue of businesses, denying services to people while at the same

00:12:31.680 time supporting Phillips.

00:12:33.620 So you could take the position that no, it should be, it should not be allowed.

00:12:37.420 You should not be allowed to deny service to people based on race or ethnicity or whatever.

00:12:41.560 Yet I still think that Phillips had the right to do what he did.

00:12:46.380 Um, that's a perfectly consistent position as well, because they're not the same thing.

00:12:52.660 Um, all right.

00:12:57.420 Now I turned to a story that, uh, hasn't got as much attention as some of the other events

00:13:01.960 of the week.

00:13:02.700 Um, this is from the daily wire.

00:13:04.900 It says the Trump administration announced on Thursday that it would move to make sure

00:13:08.600 able-bodied Americans work to receive food stamp benefits, which the U S department of agriculture

00:13:13.540 said it could save billions of dollars in taxpayer money each year.

00:13:17.460 Um, the agriculture department unveiled expanded work requirements in the supplemental nutrition

00:13:22.860 assistance program, SNAP.

00:13:25.540 Um, according to the proposed rule, those who are able-bodied adults without dependents would

00:13:32.860 need to work at least 20 hours per week up to age 59 in order to receive government assistance.

00:13:37.720 Um, and the agriculture department said that this is meant to, um, make it so that this

00:13:43.640 is a, an assistance, a system of assistance, not a way of life, not breeding a lifelong dependency

00:13:49.540 and so on.

00:13:50.500 And this is exactly the right approach.

00:13:52.280 I think that, uh, president Trump should be commended here.

00:13:54.800 It's fair.

00:13:55.700 It's compassionate to encourage people to work is compassionate.

00:13:59.940 Um, now some people think somehow it's cruel to expect people to work, expect them to contribute,

00:14:06.300 but the opposite is really the case.

00:14:08.980 Um, it isn't good for a person to be dependent.

00:14:11.960 It is, it's bad for the soul.

00:14:13.860 It's bad for your wellbeing as a human being.

00:14:17.080 Um, work is good for the soul.

00:14:20.400 A person needs to feel like they're chipping in and they're taking part and they're contributing.

00:14:24.740 So like they're doing something in life.

00:14:27.600 So this is not only fair to the taxpayers who are, uh, funding this system, but I think

00:14:34.420 it's also the fairest and most compassionate thing for the individuals involved.

00:14:38.540 So I just wanted to mention that.

00:14:39.500 I think that's a good thing.

00:14:40.620 What else?

00:14:41.580 Um, okay.

00:14:43.740 Very briefly, uh, according to some recent polling, Joe Biden is the Democrat front runner

00:14:49.620 for the nomination in 2020.

00:14:51.020 Now, Joe Biden, if he won, he would be 78 when he's sworn in 78 years old, that would

00:15:02.400 make him 82 at the end of his term.

00:15:05.840 And if he won again, he'd be 86 upon leaving office.

00:15:09.800 If he survives that long, which is no guarantee because the life expectancy for men, I think

00:15:13.660 is, is 84 years old.

00:15:15.560 Um, I mean, 78 is just crazy.

00:15:21.580 Okay.

00:15:21.840 78 would be old for a Pope.

00:15:24.320 When you're Pope old, then you're super old.

00:15:27.860 Um, president old is like late sixties, early seventies.

00:15:31.780 Pope old is when you're pushing 80 late sixties for a Pope is young.

00:15:36.060 That's Pope young.

00:15:36.980 80 is Pope old.

00:15:38.140 Uh, so I, you know, I, I really think that there, there are many reasons to, to be opposed

00:15:43.880 to the idea of Joe Biden being president, but before you get to any of that, he's, he's,

00:15:50.540 he's just too old.

00:15:52.360 78 is too old at a certain point.

00:15:54.220 Nobody is immortal.

00:15:55.100 Okay.

00:15:55.460 At a certain point, your body and your mind start to slow down.

00:15:59.800 And, and that happens to everyone in their seventies, certainly by your late seventies.

00:16:04.220 Now I know you might say, oh, my grandmother is, uh, 87 years old.

00:16:07.720 And she's still sharp as a tech.

00:16:09.740 Yeah.

00:16:09.880 I don't deny, deny that she is, but she's certainly, she is, she has certainly slowed

00:16:14.660 down from, from what she used to be.

00:16:16.880 Everyone does.

00:16:17.640 It happens to everyone unless you die before that.

00:16:20.280 So if it's not a knock on older people, it's just the reality of the situation.

00:16:24.220 The idea that we would have a 78 year old man doing the most stressful job in, in the,

00:16:30.680 in the country is just absurd.

00:16:33.380 Think about how much the presidency age as a person.

00:16:36.720 Look at, look at like a picture of George Bush, um, in 2000 versus George Bush in 2008 or

00:16:42.940 Obama in 2008 versus Obama in 2016.

00:16:45.380 It just ages you.

00:16:47.280 It's like when you're in the presidency, it's like you're on dog years, you know, every year

00:16:51.220 is seven years. 0.63

00:16:52.460 So the wear and tear and everything, it's just, it's ridiculous to me.

00:16:57.020 If we have a, if we have an age minimum for the presidency of 35, then shouldn't there

00:17:02.720 be an age maximum?

00:17:04.100 Wouldn't it make sense to say that, uh, you know, going forward, you can't be older,

00:17:11.720 any older than 70 when, when you first enter office.

00:17:15.260 Now, if you enter office at 70, um, you know, then you're in.

00:17:20.640 And so if you, maybe then if you, we could, we could think of what the rule will be, but,

00:17:24.840 um, maybe for your first run or for your first term, you can't be any older than seven.

00:17:31.200 If you win a term, then you can run for real reelection.

00:17:34.100 But, uh, I really think it's time to consider something like that.

00:17:38.240 I mean, the Democrats are looking at having Bernie Sanders, I think would be around 78 as

00:17:44.280 well.

00:17:44.540 So they're looking at having just between the two of them.

00:17:49.340 That's, that's over 150, they'd be over 150 years old between the two of them.

00:17:54.640 It's just crazy in my opinion.

00:17:57.780 All right.

00:17:58.360 Last thing, as we, uh, get ready for Christmas, this will be my last show until, until the new

00:18:02.960 year.

00:18:03.180 So I thought before we end things for Christmas, I just wanted to, uh, and this is a, it

00:18:14.180 discussion every year around this time, we start talking about what are the worst and

00:18:18.500 what are the best Christmas songs.

00:18:21.100 Now, as far as the best Christmas songs, I think, I think there are dozens of really good

00:18:26.980 Christmas songs.

00:18:27.560 It's hard for me to, to choose between them.

00:18:30.120 Uh, Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel is technically an Advent song, but if I can count that, that's

00:18:34.440 my personal favorite.

00:18:35.100 But there are many great, Silent Night is a, is a joy, is a, is a great Christmas, Joy to

00:18:41.380 the World, it's a great Christmas song.

00:18:42.800 But as far as the worst Christmas songs, I want to go down here, here's my top 10 list

00:18:49.220 of the worst Christmas songs.

00:18:51.620 Number one being the absolute worst.

00:18:54.120 Okay.

00:18:54.580 Let's just go through these very briefly.

00:18:56.440 These are the songs that should be banished, abolished legally.

00:19:02.100 You should be legally prevented from playing them, from listening to them, uh, from performing

00:19:06.800 them in my opinion.

00:19:08.260 So number 10, Wonderful Christmas Time, Paul McCartney.

00:19:13.640 Number nine, Christmas Shoes is an absolutely terrible song for many reasons, but the emotional

00:19:21.400 manipulation of this song is just, this is a song, it's about a guy who's, I mean, you've

00:19:25.620 heard it, but the guy's in line, uh, uh, the day before Christmas at a store and there's

00:19:30.460 a kid in front of him, uh, buying shoes for his mother who's dying of cancer.

00:19:35.160 It's just a, it's just so emotionally manipulative and sappy and everything.

00:19:39.320 It's a terrible song.

00:19:40.740 So number 10, Wonderful Christmas Time.

00:19:42.300 Number nine, Christmas Shoes.

00:19:43.900 Number eight, Wonderful Christmas Time.

00:19:45.760 Number seven, Do They Know It's Christmas?

00:19:48.300 Number six, Wonderful Christmas Time.

00:19:50.480 Number five, Feliz Navidad.

00:19:52.520 Number four, Wonderful Christmas Time.

00:19:54.680 Number three, All I Want for Christmas Is You.

00:19:56.560 Number two, Wonderful Christmas Time.

00:19:59.400 And number one, the absolute worst Christmas song in existence is, you guessed it, Wonderful

00:20:06.960 Christmas Time.

00:20:07.640 That is, Wonderful Christmas Time is not only the worst Christmas song by a mile, but it

00:20:17.580 is arguably the worst song that has been recorded in at least the last 200 years, probably in

00:20:25.280 human history.

00:20:27.240 And the thing is, I think we all agree on that, don't we?

00:20:30.760 Have you ever met anyone who likes that song?

00:20:33.320 No, we all hate that song.

00:20:34.880 And yet it appears on the radio.

00:20:36.380 You hear it at the department stores.

00:20:39.320 If for some reason you go to a department store rather than just buying everything online,

00:20:42.740 it just, we can't escape it even though everybody hates it.

00:20:45.460 So maybe it's time that we all just move on from that song, which we all hate.

00:20:52.560 And then we can truly actually have a wonderful Christmas time.

00:20:57.700 All right.

00:20:58.240 So I hope you guys all have a blessed Christmas.

00:21:02.360 And I'll talk to you, as I said, after the new year.

00:21:05.100 God bless.

00:21:06.380 Merry Christmas.

00:21:08.400 Godspeed.

00:21:09.260 And the frog also says, Merry Christmas as well.

00:21:13.920 Coming up on the Ben Shapiro Show, General Jim Mattis quit as Secretary of Defense.

00:21:26.440 President Trump initiates DEFCON 1 on a government shutdown.

00:21:29.140 And the stock market tumbles.

00:21:30.660 Again, all that coming up on the Ben Shapiro Show.

00:21:32.480 So let's see.

00:21:33.020 Thank you.

00:21:33.400 Thanks, Joe.

00:21:33.420 See you.

00:21:34.320 است.

00:21:46.800 See you.

The Matt Walsh Show - December 21, 2018

Ep. 167 - The Continued Persecution Of A Christian Baker

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