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00:03:10.460 Courtesy of Hunter Biden, all of America recently received a crash course in effective ways to

00:03:15.720 launder millions of dollars.

00:03:17.220 As it turns out, it's nowhere near as complicated as the movies make it seem.

00:03:20.400 In reality, even when you're the son of the president of the United States, you can

00:03:22.880 collect dirty money in plain sight.

00:03:25.440 And one way to do it is to get a do-nothing job, which you're not remotely qualified for,

00:03:29.660 and then collect paychecks without ever showing up to work.

00:03:32.980 Another tactic is to start a bunch of fake companies and accept massive investments from

00:03:37.100 foreign governments, saving some of the money for your father, of course.

00:03:40.300 Alternatively, if you're feeling especially bold, you could get into finger painting and

00:03:44.500 sell your great works of art for millions of dollars to anonymous buyers.

00:03:48.000 Or if you're Hunter Biden, you could do all of the above.

00:03:51.500 All this to say, if Hunter Biden could get away with flagrant corruption like this, then

00:03:55.820 there's very good reason to be skeptical of other prominent Democrats who are making a

00:03:59.460 suspiciously large amount of money from bizarre, unusual sources.

00:04:04.180 And that's why, even though he's a billionaire and presumably doesn't need any extra cash,

00:04:09.440 it's worth taking a close look at this story about the finances of the anti-American and pro-crime

00:04:15.480 governor of Illinois, J.B. Pritzker, who's being touted as a potential presidential candidate for

00:04:21.400 some reason. This is from the New York Post, quote, billionaire Illinois governor J.B.

00:04:26.220 Pritzker and his wife pocketed $10.7 million worth of taxable income last year, including

00:04:31.740 $1.4 million that he won from playing blackjack in Las Vegas, according to tax filings released

00:04:38.180 by his campaign. Pritzker will be donating the money to charity, his campaign added.

00:04:42.720 And heir to the Hyatt Hotels Corporation family fortune, Pritzker has a net worth of about

00:04:48.120 $3.9 billion, according to the latest estimates from Forbes. In the prior two years, the Pritzkers

00:04:53.460 reported much less taxable income, including $3.2 million in 2023 and $2.3 million in 2022.

00:05:01.820 Now, right away, there are some unanswered questions here. First of all, why did he only donate the

00:05:07.060 money after the story came out? If he doesn't need the cash, why not get rid of it immediately?

00:05:12.720 He's a high profile governor. He clearly recognizes the optics issue here, which is why he's donating

00:05:18.200 the money. But why did he wait until people asked him about it? Now, it's true that J.B. Pritzker

00:05:23.260 is a billionaire and that for somebody with that kind of money, $1.4 million isn't a whole lot. But

00:05:29.400 at the same time, $1.4 million is more than 10% of Pritzker's total annual income from 2024. And it's

00:05:36.100 roughly half of his annual income from 2022 and 2023. He's making around $10 million a year in

00:05:41.920 taxable income, most of which is capital gains from investments that he sold. The overwhelming

00:05:46.200 majority of Pritzker's wealth, in other words, is tied up in hotels and various trusts. So a million

00:05:50.740 dollars is certainly money that he could use, at least in the short term, unless he wants to liquidate

00:05:56.280 some assets. And for all we know, he wasn't keeping the money for himself. Maybe he was sending it

00:06:01.560 to someone else. Maybe he was holding it for someone. We have no idea. So without a doubt,

00:06:06.460 we need more information about how exactly J.B. Pritzker acquired this money. And yet,

00:06:12.480 in a press conference the other day, when he was asked about this report, the governor didn't provide

00:06:18.060 very many details at all. Watch.

00:06:21.560 Obviously, and I've explained this, or at least we did in a statement, you know, that I went on vacation

00:06:27.000 with my wife, with some friends. I was incredibly lucky. You have to be to end up ahead, frankly,

00:06:34.240 going to a casino anywhere. It was in Las Vegas. And I like to play cards. And so, you know,

00:06:43.680 that I founded a charitable poker match here in Chicago called the Chicago Poker Challenge that

00:06:51.320 raises millions, has raised millions of dollars for the Holocaust Museum here. And particularly to

00:06:58.520 stand up for civil rights, that's much of what the Holocaust Museum does.

00:07:02.720 Now, even if you don't know much about casinos or blackjack, and I don't,

00:07:07.700 you could tell immediately that something is off with this answer. He doesn't provide any

00:07:13.020 specifics at all. He just says that he got lucky in Vegas, laughs a little bit, and immediately

00:07:17.980 pivots to talking about a completely unrelated topic, which is some charity poker organization

00:07:22.040 that he has in Illinois. He doesn't mention a specific casino or anything about the hands he

00:07:27.340 supposedly played. He actually doesn't even say it was blackjack, although his staff has made that

00:07:31.780 claim. He seems extremely eager to change the subject and just move on. Now, imagine if you were

00:07:38.120 in Pritzker's position here. Let's say you're a big fan of playing blackjack. You're a public official,

00:07:46.080 and you managed to make $1.4 million at a high rollers table on a vacation with some friends in

00:07:52.520 Vegas. An extremely unlikely outcome by any measure, you know, mathematically, very unlikely to happen.

00:07:57.980 And now a reporter is asking you about your big win. Assuming you have nothing to hide,

00:08:03.860 why not talk about how you did it? Why not throw in a single verifiable human detail about your time

00:08:09.900 in the casino? Like what your friends thought, or what friends you were with, or what casino you were

00:08:16.100 in, how many hands you played, whether you had any particularly amazing plays, anything at all.

00:08:23.020 Even if you're bashful and you don't like bragging about your wins, you must have some understanding

00:08:28.280 of how bizarre the whole situation looks. You're the governor of a state, and you won over a million

00:08:34.240 dollars gambling in Las Vegas. It's like, you can't do that as the governor without explaining

00:08:42.120 yourself. You can't have big financial windfalls like that out of the blue without explaining it.

00:08:51.120 And you should, if only to reassure everyone that this wasn't bribe money, because that's obviously

00:08:55.880 going to be the very logical suspicion. And, you know, you'd probably say something about what

00:09:02.440 happened so as to alleviate that concern. But Jamie Pritzker wasn't forthcoming at all. And for that

00:09:07.760 reason alone, there needs to be an immediate federal investigation. Someone needs to pull the tapes from

00:09:12.920 the casinos, for one thing. Presumably, if he actually made all this money in one night, there's

00:09:17.020 footage of him at a blackjack table somewhere. And, you know, I looked online, because again, I don't

00:09:22.880 know a lot about blackjack and gambling. I've been to casino like one time in my life. So I looked

00:09:30.680 online to see what some blackjack players thought about this whole situation. And here's one take

00:09:35.760 from somebody assuming that Pritzker was playing $100,000 hands of blackjack, which is at the high

00:09:41.580 end, even for high rollers. But even to make this like remotely plausible, you have to assume that

00:09:49.700 he's playing, you know, that kind of money. And here's what it says, quote, that's still 1,400 hands

00:09:55.640 he'd have to play in order to get to $1.4 million. And that's if he's so good at blackjack,

00:10:00.280 he can maintain that 1% edge, which is on par with some of the best blackjack players in the country.

00:10:05.420 So let's say he's an average blackjack player making $100,000 bets per hand. In 1,400 hands,

00:10:12.200 he would be expected to lose $700,000. There's no way he made all that money playing blackjack

00:10:17.660 or someone would have noticed. So that's what it would take. You'd have to be the best blackjack

00:10:26.880 player in the country betting $100,000 hands and playing 1,400 hands. Now, admittedly, you can

00:10:38.400 quibble with the numbers. It's possible that Pritzker was playing with extremely large and unusual amounts

00:10:43.200 of money, like $500,000 hands or something. But if that's the case, you have to wonder,

00:10:48.220 why is he doing that exactly? Why would he go to a casino and risk a significant chunk of his annual

00:10:54.780 taxable income when he doesn't need the cash? He's supposedly just hanging out with some friends

00:11:00.580 and family. Did the casino notice Pritzker doing anything unusual like card counting, which would

00:11:05.200 enable him to win so much money? If so, did they stop it? Does the casino have any connections to

00:11:10.660 Pritzker? At best, given what we know, this seems like degenerate behavior. I mean,

00:11:15.840 you don't win a million dollars in Vegas without being a degenerate gambling addict, at best.

00:11:21.240 At worst, it's money laundering or a bribe. And regardless, again, there needs to be an

00:11:27.560 investigation. And this investigation should not end with J.B. Pritzker. We've spent so much time

00:11:32.480 talking about political violence by Democrats, and rightfully so, that we often overlook the obvious

00:11:37.000 pervasive corruption in the party as well. For example, you probably missed this story from

00:11:41.760 last April when Kamala Harris was vice president. Quote, Vice President Kamala Harris's stepdaughter

00:11:47.440 opened her textile exhibition Thursday at a cannabis store on the Lower East Side, where

00:11:52.760 she peddled knit portraits for several thousand dollars. Ella Emhoff, whose father is second

00:11:57.580 gentleman Doug Emhoff, debuted her knit pieces, which she said marks her transition out of the fashion

00:12:03.460 world and into her new phase of life as an artist. Harris's stepdaughter was asking for $4,500 for a

00:12:09.760 textile of two hearts, heart-shaped Gucci hair clips, a 1,400% markup from the designer accessories

00:12:18.080 after which they were modeled. Now, you can only imagine why somebody would pay a 1,400% markup

00:12:25.800 for Ella Emhoff's textiles. Maybe we'll get the answer to that question someday. After all, Biden

00:12:33.700 pardoned his own family, but he didn't pardon Kamala's. In the meantime, we're learning about

00:12:38.380 several more Democrat fraud schemes in California where money, including your federal tax dollars,

00:12:43.460 was stolen from programs that are supposed to develop housing for homeless people. These kinds

00:12:48.000 of schemes are extremely common in states like California. And now, finally, the DOJ is doing

00:12:52.560 something about it. Here's California U.S. Attorney Bill Asaley saying, quote, California has spent

00:12:59.200 billions of tax dollars to combat its homelessness crisis with very little show for it. Six months

00:13:04.740 ago, I announced the Homelessness Fraud and Corruption Task Force. Today, we begin to hold people

00:13:09.180 accountable by announcing two cases where more than $50 million of homelessness funding was fraudulently

00:13:14.760 obtained. Now, here's one of those cases. More details about it. Watch.

00:13:19.280 This morning, federal agents arrested Cody Holmes, a 31-year-old Beverly Hills resident and the former

00:13:27.740 CFO of Shangri-La Industries, a downtown L.A.-based developer of affordable housing for defrauding

00:13:36.140 the Home Key program that is administered by the state of California. The program awarded grant money,

00:13:43.480 which included federal tax dollars, for specific projects to convert motels into housing,

00:13:49.280 for the homeless, and to operate the units. The state agency ultimately paid nearly $26 million

00:13:55.740 directly to the developer for the Thousand Oaks project. Even though the developer received all

00:14:01.940 the money from the state, the developer did not complete the construction of the Thousand Oaks project.

00:14:08.740 Instead, our investigation has showed that at least $2.2 million was diverted to pay Mr. Holmes'

00:14:16.300 American Express bill, which includes purchases at luxury retailers. Essentially, he stole the money.

00:14:25.140 As if you needed yet another reason to oppose government-funded housing for the homeless,

00:14:30.320 here it is. I mean, really, there are only two outcomes that are possible. Option number one is

00:14:34.520 that the housing gets built and the homeless proceed to trash the place and use it as a drug den.

00:14:39.640 That's one possibility. The other possibility is that the housing never gets built and the developer

00:14:45.060 pockets tens of millions of dollars. I mean, those are literally the only two things that can happen

00:14:48.740 when you start putting tens of millions of dollars into homelessness funding.

00:14:53.400 Because the problem for homeless people is not a lack of funding. It's that they're all drug-addicted

00:14:59.900 and mentally ill, like all of them. That's the problem. As Fox's Matt Finn reports, one of the fraud

00:15:07.360 cases might implicate a Democrat politician, quote, Feds just announced that a former California

00:15:12.360 Democratic state senator's nonprofit is linked to an alleged $27 million scheme using homeless

00:15:17.120 housing funds. Former state senator Kevin Murray is the CEO of Weingart, which the Feds say used $27

00:15:23.560 million in homeless dollars to purchase a building in 2023 from an alleged criminal developer who just

00:15:30.260 bought it months prior for $11 million. Murray was not charged or named, but the Feds say the

00:15:35.160 nonprofit he's a CEO of is part of an active investigation. So just corruption and fraud all

00:15:41.600 the way down. These housing organizations and housing schemes are probably the single most common

00:15:47.640 vector of fraud in Democrat Party politics. It's not just happening in California. It's happening all

00:15:53.360 over the country. For example, the Somali who's running for mayor of Minneapolis, Omar Fateh,

00:15:58.920 has been implicated in a possible Medicaid-related fraud. This is from the local news station,

00:16:04.680 KRE11, which has done most of the legwork on this investigation along with the Star Tribune,

00:16:10.480 quote, Senator Omar Fateh's wife was the listed owner of a housing stabilization company,

00:16:16.360 while the senator himself was pushing legislation to fast-track client approvals without divulging his

00:16:21.460 ties to the taxpayer-funded program. On March 24, 2025, Senator Omar Fateh introduced Senate File

00:16:27.160 2741, a bill he said would speed up access for people to be approved for HSS, a Medicaid-funded

00:16:34.800 program to help the elderly and disabled find and maintain housing. Weeks later, investigation would

00:16:40.340 expose allegations of widespread fraud in the HSS program, including clients being signed up without

00:16:45.640 their knowledge and Medicaid billed for services never provided. Now, the fraud was so pervasive,

00:16:52.240 in fact, that the entire HSS program has been shut down. The acting United States attorney from

00:16:57.760 Minnesota estimated that virtually all of the $100 million in annual spending on the program was

00:17:03.440 fraudulent, all of it. And there's reason to believe that Omar Fateh was trying to realize some of

00:17:11.060 those profits. The article notes that while Omar Fateh was pushing a bill to benefit HSS programs,

00:17:17.160 quote, Senator Fateh's wife, Khaltoum Mohamed, was a founder and owner of Community Development

00:17:22.760 Services LLC, an HSS company with an active website soliciting referrals and clients. She was still

00:17:28.440 officially an owner, at least on paper, when her husband introduced the bill impacting the HSS

00:17:32.900 industry. Now, instead of being forced out of the race for this obvious corruption, of course,

00:17:38.320 Omar has the full support of his party. He's currently shooting videos with

00:17:43.140 Baddies for Omar. Watch.

00:17:46.420 Hey, Baddies. I heard the Baddies are having an event for the campaign this Friday. Can you tell

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00:18:02.120 into the event and get you a cute t-shirt like this. Hope to see you there.

00:18:10.280 So Omar Fateh certainly is not feeling any pressure to withdraw from the race as he hangs out with

00:18:15.480 Baddies for Omar. But in the Democrat Party, as it turns out, even if you're forced out of your job,

00:18:22.080 you can still collect tons of taxpayer cash that you didn't earn. And to that end, last week,

00:18:27.080 an outlet called LAist reported on this very strange story involving the CEO of Los Angeles

00:18:33.400 County, which is the highest ranking unelected position in the county. And here's what it says.

00:18:39.360 Quote, LA County officials quietly approved a settlement deal that paid $2 million to the

00:18:44.320 county's CEO almost two months ago, LAist has learned. CEO Fajah Davenport was issued the check

00:18:52.660 in August to compensate her for damages, she claimed, including alleged harm to reputation,

00:18:58.040 embarrassment, and emotional distress, according to records that LAist obtained from the county.

00:19:04.160 Now, at the time, it wasn't clear what the lawsuit was about. All we knew is that the CEO of LA County

00:19:09.160 had just received a $2 million settlement from the city. But there were indications of the settlement

00:19:13.640 related somehow to a recent ballot proposition known as Measure G, which was, quote,

00:19:18.120 a voter approved measure that reshapes the county's leadership structure, including transforming the

00:19:22.700 appointed CEO job into an elected one starting with the 2028 election. It was put on the ballot

00:19:27.900 by a majority of Davenport's bosses on the Board of Supervisors. So to recap, it looks like the CEO of

00:19:35.260 LA County received $2 million in taxpayer funds because she suffered emotional distress when the voters

00:19:42.960 decided to eliminate her position, specifically by making her position an elected one instead of an appointed

00:19:48.720 one. It looks like that's why she was paid, because she was so disappointed and sad about losing the job.

00:19:58.040 And indeed, yesterday, that's what LAist reported. Quote, LA County's secretive $2 million payout to its CEO two

00:20:04.140 months ago, first revealed by LAist this week, was to settle her claims that she was harmed by a ballot measure that

00:20:11.780 will change her job to an elected position and by the county's messaging. CEO Fajah Davenport had

00:20:17.500 requested the settlement for what she claimed was reputational harm, embarrassment, and physical,

00:20:22.240 emotional, and mental distress caused by Measure G. In letters laying out her claims, Davenport said that

00:20:28.020 while the measure made the case for structural changes, its text impugned her reputation by saying

00:20:32.280 the lack of strong elected executive leadership has impacted our ability to address these challenges.

00:20:37.240 Close quote. These are the defenders of democracy, by the way. The defenders of democracy, if you try to

00:20:45.760 change their job to an elected position so that you can democratically vote on it, you have to pay them

00:20:50.200 $2 million because it makes them sad. Now, in response to these allegations, a majority of LA County

00:20:56.480 supervisors agreed to give her $2 million as a lump sum, which Davenport demanded, quote,

00:21:01.220 to earn interest on the funds to help mitigate the lifelong impact of Measure G on my retirement

00:21:06.900 allowance. This is, of course, obvious fraud. It's more waste than abuse. They're paying millions

00:21:18.120 of dollars to politicians who are humiliated that they got fired, essentially. And if you vote for

00:21:24.080 Democrats, this is what you're supporting. No party in American history has been more committed to

00:21:29.280 looting the Treasury than these people. It is the same party that spent $140 billion to construct a high-speed

00:21:36.280 rail between San Francisco and Los Angeles more than a decade ago, and they still have not even come close

00:21:42.460 to actually building it. Should we be surprised by any of this? Of course not. You know, a party that's willing

00:21:48.340 to murder its political opponents and let violent criminals go free isn't going to hesitate to steal your

00:21:52.500 money. And stealing your money is probably the least damaging thing these people do.

00:21:57.300 And that's one of the reasons why it doesn't get the attention that it deserves.

00:22:04.260 Because people hear it and they're like, yeah, well, they're also killing us. I mean,

00:22:06.640 what, she stole $2 million? That's nothing compared to when they're literally shooting at us.

00:22:14.480 But at the same time, every now and then, it is worth talking about just how rampant their grift really

00:22:21.000 is. I mean, it is staggering by any measure. And before any more Democrats go to the casino

00:22:27.580 or sell textiles or funnel money to their wife's NGO or sue for emotional distress because they got fired,

00:22:35.260 the Trump administration needs to use the full force of the federal government to shut these

00:22:39.900 people down. In a very literal sense, we simply cannot afford to tolerate this rampant corruption

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00:25:37.660 Walsh. Your future self will thank you. All right. You know, one of the other great things about the

00:25:45.940 new studio that I've bragged about is that we have a fancy new camera angle as well. So we've debuted a

00:25:51.880 new camera angle. Although McKenna, the producer, just told me before we started filming that they don't

00:25:57.760 know what to do with the second camera angle. So they put another camera in here so we get a fancy

00:26:01.860 new angle and they don't know what to do with it. They're not sure what to do with it. So I guess

00:26:07.320 they've dubbed it, I'm told, the fish cam, which I think is actually a good idea because I think

00:26:11.240 that's what we should do. It's just every once in a while during the show, cut to a closeup of the

00:26:16.520 fish back there. I'd like to do that. It doesn't need to be related to anything I'm talking about.

00:26:20.500 Just cut to a closeup of the fish. And speaking of the fish, you know, I was just saying how

00:26:27.100 pleasantly surprised I was that everyone's been so positive about the new studio.

00:26:31.740 People aren't making snarky comments. That would hurt my feelings very badly.

00:26:36.400 But I did finally see one comment from someone making a criticism of the, and not just criticizing,

00:26:40.660 it's one thing to criticize the studio. Okay. But this, whoever this was, I don't know the comment

00:26:45.160 they went after the fish. Okay. Don't, don't go after the fish. I've told you that that's my most

00:26:50.180 prized possession. This whole studio exists for that fish. We built the studio around that fish.

00:26:55.180 Okay. I got that fish. And I said, I want the whole studio to match the fish. And there's one

00:26:59.000 guy who has to be, you know, he's got to be like the fact checker. You know, he's got to be the,

00:27:04.360 the dork, the, the, you know, the dork in the comment section saying, well, actually,

00:27:09.940 actually. And so there's one guy who says, oh, is that even a large mouth bass?

00:27:14.180 The fins aren't right. It doesn't have enough fins. Okay. Well, why don't you go carve your

00:27:20.240 own fish before you make criticisms of this one? Yeah, it is. It's missing. It is a large mouth

00:27:26.000 bass. It is missing a couple of fins. It's supposed to have two fins, the front, the front fin and the,

00:27:33.200 and the first fin and the second fin, dorsal fin. And then there's the lower fin, which is called

00:27:39.280 the anal fin, which don't laugh about that. They don't, that's what it's called. The word,

00:27:46.020 it's not funny. Grow up. Uh, it's missing the, it is miss. The fish is missing the anal fin. Okay.

00:27:51.400 It is. It's nothing funny about it. And that can happen in the wild. If you actually went fishing,

00:27:55.760 you would know that you can, you can pull up fish that are missing all kinds of fins. You never know

00:27:59.280 what happens deep down in the depths of the lake. It's tough business down there.

00:28:03.660 Still a large mouth bass. And that's a beautiful carving. Priceless. It's a priceless work of art.

00:28:14.020 And I think we should feature in the show all the time, even more now that people are making,

00:28:17.880 making their comments. You got to fact check my, my fish. Really? Is that, is that where we are now?

00:28:26.400 Can I, can I get a break? Can anyone just cut me some slack? I mean, really?

00:28:33.660 Now you're even fact checking my fish. I mean, it's just, look, it's a bit much.

00:28:41.480 Okay. It's a Friday. All right. Well, there was apparently a debate yesterday

00:28:46.220 for the mayor's race and I didn't watch it of course, but, uh, I did see one clip from this

00:28:52.180 back and forth that I want to talk about. Here's a Zoran Mamdani, who is the far left radical Muslim

00:28:57.840 socialist. And here he is hitting Cuomo on a particular point. Listen.

00:29:06.840 He had more than 10 years and he couldn't name a single mosque at the last debate we had that he

00:29:11.880 visited. And what Muslims want in this city is what every community wants and deserves.

00:29:16.120 They want equality and they want respect. And it took me to get you to even see those Muslims as part

00:29:22.040 of this city. And that frankly is something that is shameful and is why so many New Yorkers have

00:29:27.280 lost faith in this politics. Yeah. Except that is totally false. I've worked with the Muslim

00:29:32.120 community for many, many years. Name a single mosque you went to when you were the governor.

00:29:36.460 Can you name a single mosque you went to in 10 years? Before you were ever here.

00:29:40.580 Before I was here.

00:29:41.540 Now I'm not really interested in, in defending Andrew Cuomo. He's, he's certainly more sane and

00:29:48.400 less anti-American than Mamdani, but that bar is low. That bar is not even low. That bar is

00:29:54.820 under the, it's buried a hundred feet under the ground. I mean, you could crawl on your stomach

00:29:58.880 and get over that bar. So I'm not really interested in defending him, but I want you to think about

00:30:03.420 this line of attack. He's attacking Cuomo for not visiting a mosque or being able to name a mosque.

00:30:11.540 And this is really a significant moment in American politics. I don't think that's making

00:30:17.880 too much of it. This is the first time to my knowledge, to my knowledge, first time that any

00:30:22.260 candidate for any office anywhere in the country has ever been criticized on the basis that they

00:30:28.240 cannot name a mosque. Okay. This is the first time that you can't name a mosque has been used in

00:30:34.860 an attack line against an American politician in America. This is a very new development.

00:30:41.540 In New York of all places in New York, which as we all know that the New York skyline was

00:30:49.660 rearranged by jihadists and there you haven't visited a mosque is now an attack line. It is. I mean,

00:31:01.000 if you could go back in time and tell people, if you go back to like 2002 and go to New York

00:31:09.560 on the heels of 9-11 and tell them that in a couple of decades, there will be a far left Muslim

00:31:17.060 socialist from Uganda who is the favorite to become the mayor of the city. And not only that,

00:31:23.780 but he's attacking his political opponents for not spending enough time in mosques.

00:31:30.200 If you had told someone that, they wouldn't have believed you. They just would not have believed it.

00:31:34.640 Now, I agree with Andrew Colvett from Turning Point who posted this clip. And he said,

00:31:38.280 the fact that Mamdani just attempted to shame Andrew Colvett for not knowing the name of a mosque

00:31:41.460 is exactly how this works. They immigrate, they set up shop, and then you work for them. Welcome to

00:31:45.720 2025 where mayoral candidates in America are expected to kiss the ring of Islam. That's exactly it.

00:31:51.240 I mean, these are the fruits of mass migration. This is the lie exposed. Assimilation was a lie.

00:31:56.800 As a foreigner who was not born in this country, Zoran Mamdani is saying that Cuomo,

00:32:03.740 but really all of us, have to assimilate to him. He's not going to assimilate to us.

00:32:08.160 We have to assimilate to him.

00:32:12.320 This is something that conservatives have gotten wrong.

00:32:16.100 This is something that I've gotten wrong, or at least phrased it the wrong way. I mean,

00:32:19.860 I've said many times, many of us have been saying that, oh, well, they don't believe in

00:32:23.940 assimilation on the left. They talked about assimilation. They talked about the melting pot

00:32:29.040 that used to be a thing, but they don't really want assimilation. Well, they're actually wrong

00:32:32.440 about that. They do want assimilation. It's just that they want assimilation going the other direction.

00:32:36.260 They want us to assimilate to them. That's what they want.

00:32:39.560 Now, you see, the same process has played out.

00:32:44.180 I was thinking about this today, and this is what people need to understand, that the same

00:32:48.080 process has played out with immigration that played out with LGBT, trans, everything else.

00:32:54.220 And we've been over this many times when it comes to the LGBT and trans and that sort of thing,

00:32:58.020 gay marriage and all that. We've been over this kind of this trajectory, this progression,

00:33:02.960 this evolution or devolution many times, but it applies here as well. So let's go over it again.

00:33:09.620 Here's how it works, right? The left comes along with something they want to do, some agenda item,

00:33:15.380 something, something bad always. And the first reaction from everybody usually is, well,

00:33:22.760 that sounds terrible. I don't, why would we want that? No, let's not do that. Oh, you want to

00:33:27.520 destroy the institution of marriage? You want us to pretend that men are married when they're not?

00:33:31.200 No, it's not. Oh, you want to castrate kids? You want men in the women's locker room? No,

00:33:36.060 that's insane. We're not doing that. Oh, you want to flood our country with third worlders?

00:33:40.960 No, like there's literally no benefit to us whatsoever. Why do we want to do that?

00:33:44.500 And so that's usually people's first reaction. But then the left, they get, they get to work and

00:33:48.200 they demand tolerance. That's the first thing. They demand tolerance. They say, well, you know,

00:33:56.240 you might not like it, but you should, you should put up with it. It should be tolerant.

00:34:03.760 And then they demand affirmation after they get tolerance. And then they demand celebration.

00:34:12.320 And then they demand participation. Okay. So it's tolerance, affirmation, celebration,

00:34:19.960 participation, first tolerance, then affirmation and celebration and participation. This is always

00:34:25.180 how it goes every single time with everything. First, they said with LGBT, they said, tolerate our

00:34:31.380 lifestyle. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with it, but put up with it, allow it.

00:34:36.820 What men, two men do in their own homes is none of your business, right? What people do in their

00:34:40.500 front of none of your business. If a man wants to put on a dress and walk around, none of your

00:34:44.620 business, just tolerate it. And then, and then, and it convinced a lot of people because that first

00:34:52.100 ask for a lot of people, especially just normal, polite people that just kind of want to get along

00:34:58.800 and don't want to things to get contentious, don't want to be confrontational for a lot of people

00:35:03.240 that first ask seems kind of reasonable and they say, okay, fine. You know, yeah, it doesn't affect me.

00:35:07.920 I'll tolerate it. Um, and so people did, but, but then they went back and they said, well, actually, no,

00:35:17.500 we need you to act actively affirm this to just tolerate. See, that's not good enough because when

00:35:22.960 you tolerate, right, when you just tolerate it, you're still kind of implying that you disagree

00:35:27.180 with it. And that hurts our feelings. You can't disagree with it. You need to affirm it. You need to tell us

00:35:31.920 that what we're doing is good. And so a lot of people did. And they came back and said, no,

00:35:39.700 actually, you know, we need you to, we need, we actually, what we need you to do is we need you

00:35:42.540 to stand on the street corner and applaud as we march by in our parade. We need you to applaud us.

00:35:48.600 We need you to actively, it's not enough to tolerate, not enough to just affirm. You need to

00:35:51.840 actively celebrate. We need, we need holidays. You need to set aside entire days and months on the

00:35:57.180 calendar to tell us how great we are. And then, and many people went along with that. And then

00:36:03.580 finally we get to the last step where they said, you know what? Tolerating, affirming, celebrating,

00:36:10.020 all that is fine. Not good enough. We need you to participate. We need you to actively be involved

00:36:16.360 in what we're doing. You see how we, so quickly we went from, yeah, it doesn't affect you. It doesn't

00:36:21.840 involve you. Just put up with it too. You know what? Actually it does involve you and you need to be,

00:36:25.680 you need to be an eager participant in what we're doing. And, and so with LGBT, it was, you know,

00:36:32.700 say the pronouns, invite us into your bathrooms, so on and so on and so on. Tolerance, affirmation,

00:36:40.080 celebration, participation. That's how it always goes. Tolerance, affirmation, celebration,

00:36:45.040 participation. And this is why we must cut them off at the pass. This is why we must shut them down

00:36:49.820 at the tolerance phase. This is why I'm such a mean guy. This is why I upset a lot of people all

00:36:57.360 the time. I always have because I'm so mean because I don't even want to, I don't even want

00:37:03.340 to do the tolerance part, but this is why. Because I know where it leads. I know where it goes.

00:37:11.720 Before we get all the way to participation, we should say no. Now, you know what? I'm not even

00:37:19.880 going to tolerate this. I am actively opposed to this. I think it's bad. I don't want it in my

00:37:25.260 community and I don't want it in my country. We need to be intolerant. Intolerance is a virtue.

00:37:31.760 Intolerance is good. Intolerance is holy. Intolerance is Christian. Intolerance is moral and

00:37:38.900 courageous. Intolerance is biblical. Intolerance is loving. Loving to your family, to your country,

00:37:50.480 to your way of life that you should be protecting. And so we've seen something similar happen with

00:37:55.400 mass migration. You know, it's been happening for decades. And now we have finally arrived at

00:38:01.020 the participation phase. Here we are. It's finally happened. We passed the tolerance phase a long time

00:38:07.660 ago. Tolerance is when they said, hey, you know, you might not like third worlders infiltrating your

00:38:17.260 country en masse. You might not like it, but you should put up with it. You should tolerate it

00:38:22.320 because, look, these people have had a hard life and things are pretty bad in their home countries and

00:38:26.800 it's good for them to come here. May not be good for you. There's no possible argument we can make

00:38:32.140 that it's somehow good for you to import, you know, a hundred thousands, uh, Somalis just to start

00:38:39.280 with. Yeah, we can't make that. I was like, obviously it's not good for doesn't like it benefits

00:38:43.740 you. Not at all, but you should put up with it. And then they said, well, actually we need you to

00:38:51.960 affirm this as a positive good, as a wonderful thing. And then they said, no, you know what?

00:38:55.980 Actually, we need you to celebrate it. We need you to celebrate it. Not just affirm, but celebrate

00:38:59.820 it. Celebrate multiculturalism, go around claiming diversity is our strength. We've been at that stage

00:39:07.000 for a while and now here we are. Here we are at the participation phase at long last.

00:39:14.960 Now they're saying, actually, we need you to participate in our foreign culture that we're

00:39:20.680 bringing into this country. We need you to actually show up at the mosque and pay your respects.

00:39:29.500 That's where we are. We didn't shut them down at tolerance and now we're at participation

00:39:34.500 and this is how it always goes and how it always will go until we learn.

00:39:42.440 All right, let's see. I guess we'll play this real quick. Don Lemon still grasping for a shred of

00:39:49.620 relevance on his show. Nobody watches. This might've been on someone else's show that nobody

00:39:53.340 watches. Oh, this is the, uh, it is, this is the left hook with Wajahat Ali. Talk about a show.

00:39:59.880 Nobody watches. The left hook is the name of the show. You know, all I'm sure that's getting a,

00:40:07.360 this is a show that gets tens of downloads, tens and tens. And anyway, here he is, Don Lemon.

00:40:14.460 And, uh, and just listen to this. Here it is. Black people, brown people of all stripes,

00:40:21.340 whether you're an Indian American or a Mexican American or whoever you are, go out in your place

00:40:27.460 where you live and get a gun legally, get a license to carry legally. Because when you have people

00:40:35.900 knocking on your door and taking you away without due process as a citizen, isn't that what the

00:40:43.720 Second Amendment was written for? Go back and read what the Second Amendment says. And perhaps it will

00:40:49.880 knock some sense in the head, in the heads of these people who are saying, well, it's all great.

00:40:54.640 I don't believe they're doing it without due process. They're asking people for papers. They're

00:40:58.340 not really beating people up. These people are doing things that are illegal. Nobody is illegal.

00:41:02.880 It is a misdemeanor to cross the border. Well, it's frustrating to listen to Don Lemon. This is

00:41:08.140 a time when we need the fish cam. Just cut to the fish. We can all, we can all, we can all,

00:41:12.680 you know, it's like the Zen. It's, it's a, it's a moment to collect ourselves. Things get a little

00:41:16.760 heated on the show sometimes. And so we just cut to the fish cam, calm down, and then we jump back into

00:41:21.940 it. And we're going to skip over the part of, at the end where he says that, um, that nobody is

00:41:29.700 illegal. It's a misdemeanor. Actually, it, well, first of all, it's a misdemeanor on your first

00:41:37.600 offense. Just to be clear, many of these illegals have crossed the border multiple times, many times,

00:41:42.860 and it's actually a felony on your second offense. And so a lot of these illegals are multiple felons

00:41:47.700 because they've crossed the border multiple times. Um, but whatever, that's not the point. The first

00:41:52.560 cross is a misdemeanor. Well, guess what, Don? Misdemeanors are illegal. That's what we call

00:41:57.420 the misdemeanors. They're crimes. What do you mean? Nobody is illegal. It's a misdemeanor.

00:42:02.600 What do you mean? It's not illegal. It's a misdemeanor. What do you think misdemeanors are

00:42:08.700 legal? I mean, what do you think a misdemeanor is? Do you think a misdemeanor is a legal infraction

00:42:14.780 of the law? Do you think a misdemeanor is when someone breaks the law legally? Your honor, I broke

00:42:20.020 the law. Yes, I did break the law, but I did so legally, your honor. So a misdemeanor, it's like,

00:42:26.580 kind of like when you get married, but you're still a bachelor or when you build a house,

00:42:29.680 that's a circle, but also a square. It's a, it's a paradox. It's a, uh, it's a contradiction

00:42:33.960 in terms. It's a great, it's a mystery. That's what a misdemeanor is. No one can say for sure.

00:42:38.700 It's this ambiguous concept and no one is sure what it means.

00:42:43.240 No, Don, a misdemeanor is illegal. It's a crime. You doofus.

00:42:51.400 I'm bringing that, that's, that's an insult we need to bring back, back in a circulation,

00:42:54.840 doofus, because it really applies to Don Lemon. That's just the first, every time I see him,

00:42:58.500 it's actually the first thing that pops into my head. I don't know why it fit. There are a lot

00:43:01.160 of insults that fit him really well. Uh, some we can say on camera and some we can't, but, uh,

00:43:06.060 doofus is a good one and it just fits, it fits him, suits him well. But anyway, that's,

00:43:12.180 that's not the point. The point is that Don Lemon just explicitly encouraged people to go out

00:43:16.040 and buy a gun and use it against federal law enforcement officers. That is a crime. Speaking of crimes,

00:43:22.240 that's a crime. And not a misdemeanor either, by the way, threatening government officials.

00:43:28.060 And that's what this was unambiguously is a felony publish, uh, punishable rather publishable.

00:43:33.600 Well, it was published on that, but punishable by five years in prison.

00:43:38.580 And given that he was encouraging people to commit this crime, uh, in order to avoid being arrested

00:43:45.740 for committing another crime, then you could also say this is obstruction of justice. I mean,

00:43:49.440 there are multiple, there's at least two felonies that Don Lemon just committed at least two.

00:43:54.500 So he should be arrested today. He committed a crime. That's not free speech. You have no right

00:43:58.400 to say that you have not, you don't have a right to just say whatever you want. Actually,

00:44:01.360 there are some things you don't have a right to say. And one of those things is to tell people to

00:44:04.980 go out and shoot and kill federal agents. You don't have a right to say that you should go to jail.

00:44:10.740 You do go to jail or, or that's the way the system is set up.

00:44:13.420 Uh, and that's why, by the way, the bit about the misdemeanor at the end is really important

00:44:18.340 because if not for that, right, he would have the quasi defense where he could say, well,

00:44:23.240 no, what I was saying is that we should use the second amendment to resist tyranny from the

00:44:28.660 government. And so if someone is coming to illegally seize an American citizen and throw them into Gitmo,

00:44:35.320 you know, if, if the fascist Nazi Trump government or whatever is, uh, is, is, is imposing this

00:44:42.880 illegal tyranny, then we need firearms to defend ourselves. He could try, he could, he could reach

00:44:48.020 for that defense, but not here because he admitted he was talking specifically about actual illegal

00:44:54.480 aliens confronted by ACE agents who are carrying out the laws of the land.

00:44:58.440 You know, because he says, at first he says, when you have people taking you away as a citizen,

00:45:05.440 right? So he does say that, but then he immediately qualifies that by saying that nobody is illegal.

00:45:11.720 It's only a misdemeanor. So when he says citizen, he's talking about illegal aliens. And he thinks

00:45:16.980 that illegal, illegal aliens are citizens. He just rejects the idea that anyone is not a citizen.

00:45:22.260 When he says citizen of America, he means literally anyone on the planet because that's what he

00:45:26.920 considers a citizen to be. And so that means that, um, he was calling for violence

00:45:34.960 by illegal foreigner, foreign people in the United States against federal agents. And he should go to

00:45:44.880 jail for that. All right. Uh, we do have a kind of a longer daily cancellation I want to get to,

00:45:51.380 but I don't want to skip over this. You know, we've gone back and forth with reading comments on this

00:45:56.260 show. And, um, we're going to settle on a rhythm now that I think will work now that I've never

00:46:02.680 been quite sure what to do with the comment section, but now that we're here and we've got

00:46:05.620 the fish cam and we've got the fish and, uh, it's just calmed me down a bit. Maybe, maybe see things

00:46:10.920 clearly. Uh, I think what we're going to do is going to read one comment, the most interesting

00:46:15.440 comment, or at least the one that tees me up to talk about something that I want to talk about.

00:46:20.220 And we'll do this once a week. We'll do it at the last show of the week. And so here we are.

00:46:24.580 And so we've got, we've got several comments with the same theme. And these are, these are not the

00:46:28.440 most interesting comments, but they do tee me up to talk about what I want to talk about,

00:46:31.660 which I said is the other, either interesting and, or it's just an excuse for me to talk about

00:46:36.620 something I want to talk about. So, uh, let's see. Uh, Herbert not Hoover says, well, now we have to

00:46:42.200 know what these top 10 albums are. Moria says, give us the albums, big bro. Sweet baby Bartnick says,

00:46:48.380 please give us your top 10 albums of all time. Right. So I mentioned like a week ago that I think

00:46:52.540 it was a week ago that, uh, despite what people may assume about me, I am not someone who hates

00:46:58.340 all modern music or insists that they stop making real music in the seventies or whatever. Uh, I think

00:47:03.240 people would probably assume that's my, they would assume that I either have that opinion or that I

00:47:06.680 just don't listen to music at all. And I think that all music is terrible. Um, and that's actually

00:47:10.760 not true. I actually love music and my top albums, my personal favorites are all from the past or

00:47:15.420 mostly almost all from the past, like 10 or 20 years. Uh, so I'm a, I'm a big fan of modern music.

00:47:21.100 I am an apologist for modern music. I actually think that there's a lot of great modern, modern

00:47:25.600 music. Um, some of the best music has been made in the last 20 years. I think some of the best movies

00:47:30.840 have been made in the last 20 years too, by the way. And so some people have asked me to, to go

00:47:35.040 ahead and give my list, my top albums. Um, I'm told that the control room is also very interested in

00:47:39.740 hearing this. They may be the only ones interested. It may be just them and me. And so, you know,

00:47:44.100 I don't know, but regardless, I will provide my list. We'll do that now. And to be clear,

00:47:48.420 this is not a list of the greatest albums of all time. I'm not saying these are the greatest. I'm

00:47:52.740 saying these are my personal favorites. That's it. Uh, I also think they're good, obviously,

00:47:56.880 but I'm not trying to make some kind of all time list here. Uh, these are just my go-tos,

00:48:02.040 my favorites. And some of these are also kind of obscure. So I think if you're hoping for some kind

00:48:07.680 of contrarian shocking take about albums you've heard of where, you know, I come out and say that

00:48:13.520 actually my favorite albums are Taylor Swift and Cardi B or something, then you're going to be

00:48:18.580 disappointed. Cause that's not my take. I'm just going to, I'm just going to tell you. So

00:48:21.120 this is my, uh, I'll give you my top like six, five or six in no order. So first I like,

00:48:29.320 I like Southern rock. I like country rock. There's a Southern rock band called the drive-by truckers

00:48:34.160 that, uh, and they're what I would consider to be like real country music, the kind of country that I

00:48:38.580 like. They have an album called decoration day, which is my favorite of theirs. They also have another

00:48:43.160 one called brighter than creations dark that I might like. I might like that one even, even more

00:48:48.220 depending on my mood, just good Southern rock. Now they're also definitely a liberal. And I think

00:48:53.740 they endorsed Biden in the last election, total libs for sure. But look, if you're going to refuse

00:48:59.900 to listen to any musician with progressive politics, then you've really ruled out like all of

00:49:05.600 them, almost all the good ones, unfortunately. So artists are crazy. They're dumb. They have dumb

00:49:11.400 political. They're dumb about politics very often. And so that's all kind of baked in the cake. It is

00:49:16.840 what it is next. There's a Scottish. I told you these are kind of obscure. Uh, and I'm not trying

00:49:21.000 to be cool. Like I'm not, I'm not trying to be cool by, by saying, Oh, you know, all my favorites

00:49:25.460 are stuff you've never heard of. It's just, it is what it is. So there's a Scottish indie rock band

00:49:30.440 called Frightened Rabbit. And, um, definitely not beating the hipster allegations with this,

00:49:35.420 but it is what it is. And anyway, Midnight Organ Fight is a, is a great album. There's a song in

00:49:41.840 that album called Modern Leper. That is fantastic. One of my favorite bands of all time. Uh, I like

00:49:48.240 Scottish rock in general, Scottish alternative rock for some reason. I just like it. And, uh, I think

00:49:53.520 they're the best of the bunch. Then I would say a little more well-known Arcade Fire. They have three

00:49:57.920 classic albums. Uh, their new stuff kind of sucks. I think they get a bad rap these days

00:50:02.160 because they, they, because their new stuff isn't very good. And also because they get blamed for

00:50:07.180 spawning a bunch of really bad hipster copycats in the early two thousands. And I think that that's

00:50:12.720 unfair. You know, that's like blaming Tarantino for all the bad Tarantino ripoffs. Can't blame him

00:50:19.120 for that. Right. So, um, they're, so they're, they're, my favorite album of theirs is called Neon

00:50:25.240 Bible. Suburbs and Funeral are both also really good. I think most people will probably say

00:50:30.300 funerals are best. I don't know. That's, that's, but I like, uh, I like Neon Bible. Next, I would

00:50:35.500 go with, again, these are just my favorites. White Lighter by the band Typhoon. Uh, Typhoon is another

00:50:39.520 indie rock band. I like indie rock. I don't know what to tell you. I like indie rock and I like IPAs.

00:50:44.420 I do. I'll listen to indie rock while I drink an IPA. Okay. So deal with it. Just deal with it.

00:50:51.480 Uh, it's a good album. I mean, wrestles with some really deep weighty themes like death, mortality.

00:50:57.300 Um, but the sound is not bleak. This is one of those bands that has like 12 members and they've

00:51:01.680 got a horn section. I like big bands with, with, with, you know, lots of instruments. And so they've

00:51:06.120 got, there's this kind of tension between the lyrics, which are sometimes really kind of angry and,

00:51:11.020 and in some ways bleak, but the sound, which is really vibrant and kind of joyous. And I think

00:51:15.920 that's interesting. And, um, and so I like, I like bands like that. I also like, and then I like

00:51:21.700 artists. I like the big, big bands like that. And I also like, uh, if it's just a guy, an acoustic

00:51:26.800 guitar and a harmonica. So I like that sound as well. And that brings me to my next one.

00:51:31.460 Um, maybe my least well-known pick, or I don't know, but my favorite folk artists alive today.

00:51:37.560 And I think the best songwriter alive today is a guy named Joe Pug and his album. Actually,

00:51:42.740 it's an EP called nation of heat is one of my personal all-time favorites. I love all his

00:51:47.940 albums. All of his stuff is fantastic. Uh, nation of heat is the one I probably play the most. He's

00:51:52.600 got a song on that album called him one-on-one, which I think is one of the greatest folk songs

00:51:56.160 of all time period. He's, um, kind of the proper successor to, to Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, those

00:52:02.000 guys, his lyrics, especially in this album are a little bit more enigmatic, but he writes poetry.

00:52:06.620 He's a poet. He's an artist. Uh, nation of heat is a masterpiece, I think. And if there's one

00:52:12.380 guy that you hear, if there's one band or, or artist that because of what I'm saying, you go

00:52:19.920 look them up, I would say it should be this guy. And then finally one more. So this is my top six.

00:52:25.600 I think, I think I'm on six. I have one album, not from this century, a personal favorite.

00:52:30.860 And I was thinking about this because as a nineties kid, I love nineties music.

00:52:33.840 And, uh, I'm a defender of nineties music. I think that nineties music, uh, I actually think

00:52:40.120 the first decade of the two thousands had better music, but I, but I think that nineties music was

00:52:44.000 really good. It was great. And I, and I will go to the mat to say it was a better decade for music,

00:52:49.960 certainly than the eighties. And even in the seventies, my personal favorite from that time,

00:52:55.560 at least the one that holds up the most for me would be counting crows, August and everything

00:53:02.100 after. And I don't know how much of my enjoyment of that album is just pure nostalgia. It could just

00:53:09.840 be that I, if you don't have a nostalgic attachment to it and you've never heard the songs and you

00:53:14.080 listen to it, I don't know what your experience will be, but, but you know, it's hard for me to

00:53:18.640 separate the two and you know, Mr. Jones, rain King, Omaha, murder of one, just nothing, but nothing

00:53:25.500 but nineties hits, uh, lyrics were counting crows in their heyday were nonsensical. You listen to

00:53:31.980 the song, Mr. Jones, it doesn't make any sense. Like it doesn't, it makes no sense at all, but

00:53:36.360 it's vibes. It's just pure vibes. Really. It's just, uh, it has a, it feels like, like the lyrics

00:53:41.100 don't mean anything, but it kind of feels like something you kind of get what he's, you kind

00:53:44.760 of understand what he's trying to convey because the song feels a certain way. And, uh, and I,

00:53:50.640 and, and I like that. So those are my top, I mean, there are others that kind of honorable

00:53:56.840 mentions, you know, there's a couple of different old crow medicine show albums, bluegrass band that

00:54:00.680 I like. Um, I used to really like the Avett brothers. I haven't liked any other albums in

00:54:06.580 the last 10 or 15 years, but in the first decade of the two thousands, they put out some good stuff.

00:54:12.900 Um, you know, and then there's other guys like Tyler Childers has definitely gone woke big time,

00:54:19.140 but his album purgatory is great. Uh, Zach Brian, I think he's got some good stuff. He just put out,

00:54:25.480 put out an anti ice song that was really cringe and embarrassing. But, uh, again, just kind of like

00:54:30.700 bluesy American folk. I like bluesy American folk. If you got a guy singing a folk song about his

00:54:35.200 sorrows and his troubles, and he's got an acoustic guitar and he's got the harmonica,

00:54:38.700 I'll probably like it. Like, I won't hate it. I'll, I can listen to almost anything like that.

00:54:43.860 Yeah. And then, um, most of the classic indie bands from the early two thousands, I like,

00:54:48.920 you know, I can, I can listen to still. Um, and there's some other nineties stuff, you know,

00:54:55.920 uh, some of it doesn't hold up for me. I mean, I, even the one, like I would say that Nirvana

00:55:01.220 nevermind is probably the best album of the nineties. I don't listen to that anymore. I couldn't sit down

00:55:05.360 to listen to a grunge album at the age of 39, but, uh, I respect it anyway for at least artistically.

00:55:12.500 So, okay, there's my, my list. There you have it for all those few who are interested.

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00:58:12.720 If you listen to this show, you know that I've been raising the alarm about AI for a while. And

00:58:19.240 I'm certainly far from the only one who has been talking about it. AI is an incredibly impressive

00:58:24.720 technology with a number of valid and useful applications, but it may also destroy civilization

00:58:30.100 as we know it. And I don't mean that in a Terminator sense. I'm not saying that AI will become sentient

00:58:34.800 and enslave us, although we can't rule that out. I mean, in the sense that AI will wipe out millions of

00:58:40.960 jobs virtually overnight, destroy every creative field, make it impossible to discern reality from

00:58:45.320 fiction, turn 10 people into trillionaires while sending millions into poverty, and create a society

00:58:51.220 of people who are even more isolated, antisocial, and incapable of human interaction and creating

00:58:55.280 and maintaining human relationships. You know, that's what I mean. Like, that's what I mean by

00:58:58.440 destroying civilization. But not everybody shares these concerns. There are some who insist that despite

00:59:04.300 all the evidence to the contrary, this AI thing would really work out for the best. And they can't

00:59:09.120 explain why or how it would work out for the best. They can't really dispute any of the contentions

00:59:13.440 I just made, but they just believe fundamentally that somehow, some way, for some reason, AI will

00:59:19.120 make our lives better, even as we can already see that AI is, as we speak, making it worse in some

00:59:24.480 really significant ways. They have blind faith in technology. You know, a technological advancement

00:59:30.700 must be good, ultimately. Because it is a technological advancement, that's what they believe.

00:59:35.800 And we'll get back to that point in a few moments. But today, representing that point of view, we have

00:59:41.680 Elizabeth Nolan Brown of the libertarian outlet Reason. And she is here to defend not just AI in general,

00:59:48.760 but specifically AI sex robots. In an article titled, Sex Robots Are Here, And It's Okay.

00:59:57.040 Now, she's apparently been on the sex robot beat for quite some time. Defending sex robots is an issue near

01:00:04.900 and dear to her heart for reasons that we can only wonder about. I'm going to read a somewhat sizable

01:00:09.820 chunk of her article and maybe too much of it, but I have some thoughts I want to offer. But we got to

01:00:14.960 kind of like, I need to get it all. We need to get it all out. We need to see everything that she's

01:00:18.180 saying so that we can respond to it. So reading, quote, one of the first feature articles I wrote for

01:00:25.560 Reason was about sex robots. This was 2015, and both legacy and social media had cyclical freakouts about

01:00:30.860 the havoc that sex robots would supposedly wreak. By sex robots, I and everyone else at the time meant

01:00:36.160 anthropomorphic robots that were able to physically intimate, be physically intimate with humans and

01:00:40.940 perhaps romantic too. The gist of my piece was basically calm down. Sex robots, as people are

01:00:45.640 imagining them, don't actually exist. They won't for a while. And even if they eventually do, it's going

01:00:49.560 to be okay. Now, sex robots are here. We're seeing the rise of artificially intelligent chatbot

01:00:55.320 companions, and they're capable of both romance and naughty talk from the G-rated to the pornographic.

01:01:01.280 This week, OpenAI founder Sam Altman even announced that an upcoming version of ChatGPT would not

01:01:07.580 have more, would not only have more personality, but also engage in erotica with verified adults.

01:01:13.060 There are already all sorts of dedicated platforms for AI girlfriends and sex fantasy chatbots.

01:01:17.680 Meta has been under fire for allowing its chatbots to engage in romantic play that can get graphic,

01:01:22.580 even when those chatting say that they are teens. And Elon Musk's AI bot grok can go into sexy mode.

01:01:29.820 Okay, and she then goes into some of the legislation that's been introduced to get a handle on this

01:01:33.820 problem. She writes, quote, an Ohio lawmaker, a state representative, Thad Claggett of Licking County.

01:01:42.540 I don't know. It's just a great name. And somehow, I don't know. I don't know what to say about that.

01:01:49.100 Licking County. Thad Claggett. That's a great name. I mean, if you got the last name Claggett,

01:01:54.840 then you might as well name your kid Thad. It's like you need a, you can't have like a normal name

01:01:59.940 with a last name Claggett. Anyway, this is me talking about her. Let's go back to her.

01:02:04.680 Has introduced legislation to ban marriages between humans and AI chatbots.

01:02:08.820 No AI system shall be recognized as a spouse, domestic partner, or hold any personal legal status

01:02:12.720 analogous to marriage or a union with a human or another AI system. States House Bill 469.

01:02:17.500 This seems to be that nobody, absolutely no, this seems to be that nobody, absolutely no one

01:02:23.300 meme come to life. I mean, sure, people can say they're married to a chatbot, but no government

01:02:28.020 authority is out there recognizing these partnerships as legal unions, nor are they about to.

01:02:32.760 This preemptive ban on human chatbot marriages smacks of attention seeking if we're being charitable

01:02:36.660 or brain worms brought on by indulging in a little bit too much tech doomerism.

01:02:41.280 Meanwhile, Senator Josh Hawley, who never met a new tech panic he couldn't embrace,

01:02:46.440 is reportedly drafting a bill that would ban AI companions for minors, or Axios.

01:02:52.200 Okay, so that's the setup. Now, finally, we get to her rebuttal to all these laws and the concerns

01:02:59.160 that her people are raising. Quote,

01:03:00.500 Look, I don't think that AI chatbots should be designed to get explicit with people under the

01:03:04.940 age of 18, but I also came of age in the AOL chatroom era. I don't think teenagers engaging

01:03:09.300 in a little sexually explicit chatting is anything new or anything to panic about. And honestly,

01:03:13.440 testing boundaries and exploring sexual themes with an AI chatbot is probably less problematic

01:03:17.540 if it were dangerous for teenagers than sexting with school peers who may not keep the conversations

01:03:21.980 private or internet strangers who could turn out to be sexual predators or extortionists.

01:03:25.920 In any event, making it a federal crime for AI chatbots to produce any sexual content while

01:03:30.740 chatting with minors risks doing more harm than good. It could bar chatbots from providing any

01:03:34.740 sort of sexual health information to minors or offering any sort of education or advice related

01:03:38.700 to sexuality. And it would, of course, require anyone accessing any sort of AI chatbot that's allowed

01:03:42.700 to talk about sex at all to prove their identity. Now, she says that even AI sex robots will,

01:03:48.900 you know, probably only really become the predominant form of sexual relationships for certain

01:03:55.280 subsets of the population. And that's her main contention, that it's not going to be widespread.

01:04:00.760 It will only be certain people that really even use this stuff. Quoting, last quote from the article

01:04:07.020 says, I'm not worried that chatbot relationships will, on a wide scale, overtake human romances,

01:04:11.780 or even that sexy chatbots will put human sex workers out of work. Of course, everyone's different.

01:04:16.080 Not everyone places the same value on emotional connection. And among those that do, the level of

01:04:21.060 illusion of humanness provided by AI chatbots may be perfectly sufficient for some.

01:04:25.280 This minority of users may decide that sexy chatbots aren't just a sometimes fun distraction,

01:04:30.920 but as good as or better than a human companion. But it'll be a small minority and regardless heavy

01:04:36.500 on people incapable or undesiring of sustaining a real relationship. Okay, I just read way more of

01:04:41.640 that article than I preferred to or maybe needed to, but I wanted you to hear the argument such as it

01:04:45.740 is. She is following the same formula as everyone else who dismisses the concerns of those of us who

01:04:51.600 don't want AI to take over our lives. That's why I think it's worth considering her points in detail

01:04:56.100 and considering how weak and self-contradictory they are. So let's go back and review a few things.

01:05:01.080 First of all, she assures us that nobody is marrying AI, that no government is or will validate those

01:05:08.560 marriages. And on a broader level, she says with confidence that AI relationships will not become a

01:05:13.300 thing at scale. And if they really take hold, it will only be among certain small portions of the

01:05:18.600 population, the misfits and the outcasts. And to that, I would say, even if it's true,

01:05:23.960 your plan then is to what? Just abandon the outcasts and relegate them entirely to a life devoid

01:05:31.220 of human love and connection? You say only portions of the population, only the people who are already

01:05:36.500 lonely and miserable will be doomed to this fate and we're supposed to what? Just be okay with that?

01:05:42.660 What happens next? When we have an entire subset of the population, which you've already admitted

01:05:50.720 may and maybe perhaps likely will happen, entire subset who are isolated from human contact at a level

01:05:57.880 and in a way previously unknown to mankind, what then? What happens to those people?

01:06:06.500 What kind of people do they become? What effect does that have on society at large?

01:06:13.180 And what happens when those people start clamoring for social acceptance? What happens when they start

01:06:19.460 claiming that they have a human right to have their AI relationships recognized and validated by the

01:06:25.420 state? It won't be the first time that a small minority of social outcasts have launched a campaign for

01:06:31.980 public and legal validation and approval. And how did it work out the other times?

01:06:36.500 Who ultimately won that argument? I mean, I remember a time when I was told that transgenders

01:06:42.380 are a tiny minority with no relevance to the greater public. And then I remember how a few

01:06:47.920 years later, acceptance and affirmation of transgenderism was mandated by every powerful institution

01:06:54.000 in the country. But Elizabeth Nolan Brown of Reason says that it's not going to happen here.

01:07:00.040 Not going to happen. Well, why won't it happen? How does she know that?

01:07:08.340 This is what you get from the AI defenders. It's just this. It's like, that's not going to happen.

01:07:13.180 Come on. That's their whole argument. It's really just that. You talk about, well, you know,

01:07:18.240 this is where this is heading. These are all the terrible things that are going to happen as a

01:07:20.920 result. That's not going to happen. That is the whole argument. Come on. Come on.

01:07:29.200 She just, she feels it. She feels it in her bones that it's not going to happen.

01:07:33.260 Well, the problem is that she admitted in the very first paragraph of this same article

01:07:38.000 that she's already been wrong about this exact topic. She says that in 2015, she wrote an article

01:07:45.220 telling everyone to calm down about sex robots because they don't exist and won't for a while.

01:07:50.160 And then her next sentence is now they're here. Okay. Well, turns out the people who warned about

01:07:55.960 this problem in 2015 were right. And you were wrong. I mean, you've started the article by,

01:08:04.000 by telling us you were wrong about this precise topic. And now here you are making the same argument

01:08:11.600 that was already wrong. She argues that, you know, sexting with a chat bot isn't any worse than

01:08:19.640 the sexually charged AOL chat rooms that teens populated back in her day. And it's true. You

01:08:26.800 know, young people have been exposed to sexually explicit conversations and content online in huge

01:08:32.260 numbers for the past 25 years, at least. She's right about that. But the part she doesn't grasp and

01:08:38.280 that libertarians can never seem to get their heads around when they say, Oh, a version of this has

01:08:44.980 been happening for a long time. That's a, that's like their argument for everything. This has already

01:08:49.200 been happening. There's a, yes, a version of this has been happening for a while and it's been really

01:08:55.240 bad the whole time. Okay. Young people in my generation were greatly harmed on a deep psychological,

01:09:03.500 spiritual, eventually even physical level by their exposure to this kind of thing.

01:09:10.620 Okay. So the libertarian constantly just waves his hand and says, Oh, please people have been

01:09:14.360 warning about this forever and everything turned out fine. I mean, this guy, I hear this argument all

01:09:20.160 the time. They constantly, and they say that and it's like, well, but everything didn't turn out

01:09:25.440 fine. What are you talking about?

01:09:26.680 The people issuing these warnings have been rights all along, every step of the way on literally every

01:09:34.380 point. And you're too obtuse to see it or not honest enough to admit that you see it. I mean,

01:09:40.460 you get this too about, you come up with a million examples, but, but anytime you talk about if I talk

01:09:48.660 about how people spend, it's like, we're, we're spending 15 hours a day looking at screens

01:09:53.420 and the response I'll often get from these kinds of people is, Oh, people said that about TVs back

01:10:00.080 30 years ago, 40 years ago, you know, back 40 years ago, people were saying that people were all

01:10:05.800 worried about TVs. They were worried about how much TV everybody was watching. Look how it turned out.

01:10:12.680 Well, yes, look how it turned out. That's the point. They were right. People 40 years ago who

01:10:18.560 said, uh, look at this. People are spending two hours a day staring at a screen. This is really

01:10:22.920 bad. I mean, we're going to, we're going to end up in a society where no one ever does anything,

01:10:26.640 but, but, but look at a screen. We're going to end up in a society where people live in their entire

01:10:29.980 life, looking through a screen. That was the argument 40 years ago. They were right. Okay.

01:10:37.700 So if I'm making an argument now that is a, a, a, a spiritual successor of those arguments,

01:10:42.960 that means I'm right. Just like they were right. What part of this is not getting through your thick

01:10:50.940 skulls, whatever, like warnings have been issued about like modern technology over the last a hundred

01:11:01.660 years, 50 years, a hundred years, almost all of it has turned out to be true. So that doesn't mean

01:11:08.640 that all the technology should have been destroyed. It doesn't mean that all the technology is, is

01:11:12.900 inherently bad. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't use it in some capacity. But my only point is that

01:11:18.780 pretty much like, I can't even think of, of, of an argument made that was wrong. I like, I can't

01:11:25.280 think of one. It was all right. But perhaps our weakest argument is that it's better for kids

01:11:31.380 to sext with AI than with each other. And even if that were true, that doesn't mean it's good

01:11:38.440 and not extremely harmful for them to sext with AI, but it isn't true. Okay. Neither situation is good.

01:11:45.980 We should take steps to prevent both. Do you really think it's better for kids to get involved

01:11:51.500 in sexually explicit exchanges with AI algorithms created and run by trillion dollar corporations?

01:11:58.140 You think that's a safer situation for kids? Are you insane? Have you lost your mind that you look

01:12:07.060 at that and say, well, that seems safer? Sure. These freaking mysterious algorithms, no one even

01:12:12.540 knows how they work, right? The companies that make them won't tell us how they work. We don't know

01:12:16.000 what goes into them. We don't know how they're programmed. We don't know anything about them.

01:12:19.200 And, you know, I think it's safer for kids to, like, at best, it's as bad, at best. The idea that

01:12:31.820 it's safer is, is asinine. I mean, it's, it's lunacy. You are a lunatic. Amazingly, Elizabeth claims

01:12:40.260 that it's better because conversations with your peers, she says, may not remain private. Elizabeth,

01:12:46.640 do you think that conversations with AI are private? Do you really not understand that

01:12:54.140 literally everything you say to a chatbot is not private at all in the slightest? Do you

01:13:02.300 not understand that? That there is a log that lives forever somewhere? Okay. Sexting with

01:13:12.580 a chatbot is considerably less private than with a human. Kids should not be doing either thing.

01:13:22.800 Serious, significant steps should be taken to prevent your kid from doing either,

01:13:26.060 doing any of this. They should not be doing any of it. But the claim that it's less dangerous and

01:13:31.040 exposes them to less harm to be involved in these kinds of relationships with algorithms is just asinine.

01:13:36.240 And it reveals a total lack of insight into any of the issues that she's writing about,

01:13:40.440 not to mention human nature itself. And that brings us to the last point, which was the first point.

01:13:45.920 The people who have this pathologically dismissive attitude towards the concerns about AI are really

01:13:49.960 operating from a place not of reason, despite the name of the publication, but of faith. They have

01:13:54.680 faith in the doctrine of human progress. They have faith that technological advancements are always good,

01:14:01.280 must never be impeded, much less prevented. AI is good because it's more technologically advanced

01:14:06.440 than what came before it. And that was good because it was better than what was before that and on and

01:14:10.520 on and on. The idea that a technological advancement could be a net negative is impossible in their

01:14:15.520 minds. And in a certain sense, they're right. An advancement, by definition, is progress. And

01:14:22.820 progress, by definition, is positive change. But the problem is that not everything we call an

01:14:27.600 advancement actually is, because not everything we call progress actually is. In fact, we have an entire

01:14:31.880 party that defines itself as progressive and yet advocates the opposite, as we know. So these members

01:14:37.440 of the techno-religion have, I think, a simplistic and impoverished and materialistic and frankly, really

01:14:42.100 stupid view of what counts as an advancement. To them, an advancement is any technology that is quicker,

01:14:47.540 more efficient, and more powerful. But I would say that an advancement, an advancement, a real

01:14:53.860 advancement, okay, is anything that makes human life better. And in some cases, quickness and efficiency

01:15:02.340 and technological firepower does make human life better. And in those cases, it qualifies as an

01:15:08.400 advancement. But there can be cases where a thing is quick, efficient, and powerful, and yet does not

01:15:13.680 generally make our lives better, or where it improves our lives in some respects, but degrades it in a much

01:15:20.840 greater respect. And in that case, to call it an advancement, is it contradicting in terms?

01:15:25.820 You know, one of the newest pieces of technology on the market today are suicide pods. And these are

01:15:31.660 coffin-like capsules where a person can enjoy euthanasia in a, we are told, clean and painless way.

01:15:38.900 And the suicide pods are certainly more powerful. They're more technologically impressive. They're

01:15:42.660 quicker. They're more efficient than the methods used in the past. Does that make it an advancement?

01:15:46.980 Is this an advancement? Has humankind advanced through the invention of the suicide pod? No.

01:15:54.560 By making it easier for us to destroy ourselves, we have done the opposite of advance. We have

01:15:59.340 regressed. Destruction is not advancement. Death is not progress. Okay, we would not look at a man who

01:16:07.520 was in a free fall after jumping off of a 100-story building and say that he's, well, wow, he's really

01:16:13.820 progressing. Yeah, he's moving fast. He's moving efficiently towards a goal. But the goal is to be

01:16:21.740 splattered on the pavement. And that is not progress. That is not advancement. That is not

01:16:26.840 improvement. And the same can be said of AI. Yes, it is perhaps the most technologically impressive

01:16:32.020 piece of tech that we've ever seen. I mean, it's quicker. It's more efficient. Yes, it is better than

01:16:38.720 what came before it. But better at what? Better at what? It is better at doing what it is designed to

01:16:48.300 do, which is replace human beings. Replace our jobs. Replace our creative output. Even replace

01:16:57.460 our romantic relationships. That is what it is so good at. And indeed, it's better at that than any

01:17:04.980 other technology that has ever existed. And it's not close. And that is exactly the problem.

01:17:12.720 And if the folks at Reason can't see that, well, then they are today. Canceled.

01:17:20.560 All right, that was intense. Cut back to the fish cam one last time. There it is. There's the fish with

01:17:26.880 his one lonely fin. This fish has seen it all. That's why I relate to this fish so much. You think

01:17:33.340 that the lack of fins is some sort of flaw, some sort of, you know, the guy who carved it made a

01:17:38.740 mistake, but I connect with it. I am in many ways like that big chunky bass in the lake, swimming with

01:17:48.860 only one fin, but still swimming nonetheless. All right. That'll do it for the show today. We'll talk

01:17:57.880 to you on Monday. Have a great weekend. Godspeed.

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Ep. 1675 - Don Lemon’s Violent Fantasies, Democrat Money Laundering Schemes, S＊x Robots, & More

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