The Matt Walsh Show - October 21, 2025


Ep. 1677 - Have You Forgotten About Iryna Zarutskaļ¼Ÿ They Want You To. Hereā€™s Why.


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 4 minutes

Words per Minute

166.996

Word Count

10,761

Sentence Count

811

Misogynist Sentences

12

Hate Speech Sentences

30


Summary

By all accounts, including his own, 36-year-old roofer Joe Gonzalez was an evil human being who deserved to die. But in 1995, a jury convicted him and recommended the death penalty. And he was executed by lethal injection in September of 1996, making it the fastest execution in U.S. history since 1977.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, it seems that many people have already forgotten about the case of
00:00:03.360 Irina Zarutska, who was stabbed in the neck by a career criminal on the light rail, but forgetting
00:00:07.540 about her story is exactly what they want. Today, I have an update on the case that makes that clear.
00:00:12.400 Also, have an increasing number of far-right young people discovered a new affinity for monarchy?
00:00:17.400 That's what the media is claiming, and if it's true, there's a reason for it. I'll explain.
00:00:21.140 And I'm being attacked for saying that intolerance is a virtue. Is that true? Well,
00:00:25.420 obviously it is, and I will double and triple down today, as is my custom. All of that today
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00:02:17.780 By all accounts, including his own, 36-year-old roofer Joe Gonzalez was an evil human being who
00:02:24.440 deserved to die. In 1992, in the state of Texas, Gonzalez murdered a 50-year-old building contractor
00:02:30.640 who supposedly owed him $200. Gonzalez robbed the man and attempted to make his death look like a
00:02:36.340 suicide, but it wasn't a very convincing defense because people who kill themselves normally don't
00:02:40.300 rob themselves after they do it. Now, at trial, Gonzalez told the jury, quote,
00:02:44.460 I'm a man who has no regard for the law. I'm a man who has no regard for humanity.
00:02:49.860 Within just 12 minutes, in November of 1995, the jury convicted Gonzalez and recommended the death
00:02:55.980 penalty. If you had to guess how long it took for Joe Gonzalez to actually be put to death,
00:03:03.060 what would you say? What's the approximate time frame for how long you think Joe Gonzalez
00:03:07.160 sat on death row before he was finally executed? Now, maybe you're thinking, this is a trick question.
00:03:13.500 And the answer is, he was never actually executed. He's still on death row, appealing the jury's
00:03:18.040 decision to this day. That's normally how death penalty cases go. We all know that. But in this case,
00:03:24.660 surprisingly enough, Gonzalez was indeed put to death. And he was put to death very quickly,
00:03:29.420 relatively speaking. Just 10 months after the jury recommended the death penalty,
00:03:32.800 in September of 1996, Joe Gonzalez was executed by lethal injection. It was, at that point,
00:03:39.660 the fastest execution in U.S. history since Gary Gilmore was executed in Utah in 1977 by firing squad
00:03:46.860 just three months after he was convicted of two murders. Now, the reason both of these men were
00:03:52.200 executed so quickly is that, unlike most death penalty defendants, they were not interested in dragging
00:03:58.980 the process out. They didn't have any interest in appealing their sentences. So they allowed the
00:04:04.920 government to proceed with the executions without undue penalty. And the government obliged.
00:04:10.820 Left to their own devices, without any frivolous appeals, states like Texas and Utah were able to
00:04:15.400 dispense justice in a reasonable time frame. Now, this is not ancient history. We're not talking about
00:04:21.560 executions in colonial New England or something. In modern America, it is entirely possible to put
00:04:28.580 violent criminals to death promptly. One of the key steps we need to take, as these cases
00:04:34.740 demonstrate, is to get rid of the idea that death penalty defendants are entitled to an automatic
00:04:40.820 appeal. And these appeals can take decades to resolve. They're almost always unnecessary.
00:04:46.560 But ever since the 1970s, because of a Supreme Court decision, these appeals have been mandatory,
00:04:51.620 unless the defendant waives them. As a result of this decision by the Supreme Court,
00:04:55.780 the average time that inmates spend on death row has ballooned. As you can see in the graph,
00:05:01.540 in the 1980s, the average time spent on death row was around 74 months. Now it's over 260.
00:05:09.580 So it didn't take long after the Supreme Court's decision in 1976 for everything to slow down
00:05:13.960 dramatically. They introduced mandatory appeals, and now inmates are spending three times as long
00:05:19.580 on death row. Now, along the same lines, as you would expect, there's also been a dramatic change
00:05:27.120 in the average age of a defendant who was executed on death row. In 1975, the average age was 36.
00:05:34.820 In 1980, the average age was 24. By 2005, the average age was up to 44. Now it's up to over 50.
00:05:42.160 In fact, more than 570 prisoners on death row are over the age of 60 as of 2019. Back in 1996,
00:05:50.380 that number was just 39. Some elderly prisoners, like Vernon Madison in Alabama, are spending so
00:05:57.240 much time on death row that they're developing dementia and having strokes, which makes them
00:06:02.320 ineligible for the death penalty because they're supposedly incompetent to be executed. Yes,
00:06:08.360 that's an actual category of inmate. That's a legal concept now. Incompetent to be executed. Now,
00:06:14.420 you might argue that competence is like kind of irrelevant for the death penalty. You don't need
00:06:20.860 to be competent because you don't need to do anything but die. I mean, that's all you're doing. You don't
00:06:26.620 need to be competent. He's too incompetent to die. That's what they're saying. But this is the system
00:06:33.720 we have now. Even if you were competent to stand trial, it's possible for you to lose your mind on
00:06:38.120 death row and then you go back to general population as a confused vegetable while the victim's families
00:06:43.700 wonder when they're ever going to get the justice they were promised. And the answer is they never
00:06:47.780 will. This is supposedly the humane solution, according to the Supreme Court. We need an absurd
00:06:55.000 amount of appeals and bureaucratic wrangling lasting years and years before we can actually dispense the
00:07:01.920 punishment that was handed down to the person. Now, keep in mind, the Supreme Court made this decision
00:07:08.340 in an era before advanced DNA evidence, before modern ballistic techniques, widespread video
00:07:16.540 surveillance. The general sentiment at the time was that innocent people might be convicted and sent to
00:07:22.140 death row. So therefore, because evidence was not as robust, we supposedly needed mandatory appeals to
00:07:28.820 make sure that innocent people were not executed. But that's not the case anymore. You know, most death
00:07:34.920 penalty cases are similar to the murder of Irina Zarutska. And that's really the point here. We're going to
00:07:41.260 revisit the case of Irina Zarutska because it's important. And even amid all the other things that are
00:07:47.580 happening in the country, we cannot forget what happened to her. That's why I want to give a brief
00:07:54.040 update on the case and tell you what's going on with it. Now, the answer, as we'll see, is that
00:07:59.320 nothing is going on. There is no update. There's no movement at all. Even though this person, I mean,
00:08:07.080 when the media talks about DeCarlos Brown who killed her, they still say alleged or, you know,
00:08:12.760 accused, the accused killer. There's no alleged or accused about it. He's on camera doing it. I mean,
00:08:19.720 there's no doubt that he did it. And despite that fact, nothing is happening with the case at all.
00:08:25.180 And that's the point, as we'll see. Now, of course, there is no doubt, again, whatsoever as to who is
00:08:31.600 responsible for Irina's death. The killer in this case has more than a dozen prior arrests. He committed
00:08:37.420 the crime on camera in front of dozens of witnesses, as we all remember. In a just society,
00:08:45.500 the man responsible to Carlos Brown would be given a speedy trial under our constitution and then put
00:08:51.620 to death. May this happen several weeks ago. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be on trial
00:08:56.400 right now. And that's true, even if you buy his defense, which is that he was mentally ill in some
00:09:05.420 way. But really, the defense is nonsense. Now, this is a surveillance photo from the light rail a second
00:09:12.400 or so after he stabbed and mortally wounded Irina. It's the photo you've seen many times before,
00:09:18.000 a photo that very much will live in infamy and should live in infamy. It's obvious that to Carlos
00:09:24.200 Brown went out of his way to target a defenseless woman who wasn't even looking at him. He sat in
00:09:29.200 wait for his victim. After he killed her, he said something along the lines of, I got that white girl,
00:09:34.680 which was heard by various witnesses and also picked up on camera.
00:09:37.800 And then as this surveillance footage from the train station, which was just released,
00:09:42.820 demonstrates, he changed his clothing. And you can see there, this is the footage of the
00:09:49.540 arrest of de Carlos Brown. The officers swarm him pretty quickly. And as you can see, he's not
00:09:55.560 wearing the red clothing anymore. He's carrying his sweatshirt. So it looks a lot like he understood
00:10:01.120 that he had just killed someone and wanted to avoid detection. So whether he heard voices or not,
00:10:08.840 or whether he has impulse control issues or not, which obviously he does, it doesn't matter.
00:10:16.680 Someone who decides to murder an innocent woman for any reason forfeits his right to live.
00:10:23.520 And that's clearly what happened here. But because our death penalty system is a bureaucratic morass,
00:10:30.160 because our justice system generally is a bureaucratic morass, de Carlos Brown will not
00:10:35.140 be executed anytime soon. He won't even be on trial anytime soon. This is the latest reporting
00:10:41.380 from a local news station in North Carolina. Here's what's happening with this case right now.
00:10:45.160 Okay. Quote, the man accused of killing a Ukrainian woman on a Charlotte light rail almost two months
00:10:49.600 ago was scheduled to have a crucial court hearing on Thursday. De Carlos Brown Jr., the man accused of
00:10:54.680 killing 23-year-old Irina Zaruzka back in late August, was scheduled to have a Rule 24 court
00:10:59.920 hearing on Thursday, October 16th. A Rule 24 hearing is for the state to determine whether
00:11:04.140 or not they would pursue the death penalty. Court documents said the hearing has now been pushed
00:11:09.020 back until April 2026. The decision to delay the hearing came from Brown and his attorney,
00:11:15.840 Daniel Roberts. However, the reason for the delay was redacted, according to court documents.
00:11:21.180 So, there's going to be a hearing to determine whether or not the state will pursue the death
00:11:30.120 penalty, as if there's any doubt that they should, as if that's something we even need to talk about.
00:11:35.460 De Carlos Brown should have been put down, executed somewhere around his 10th conviction,
00:11:42.000 if not like his fifth. And he certainly deserves that punishment now. But this hearing, again,
00:11:49.100 not even a trial, but just a hearing to see whether or not he will have a death penalty trial
00:11:53.660 will not take place until April of next year. Of course, the best part of all that is, you know,
00:12:02.700 you don't even get to know why the hearing was delayed. We're only told that this decision comes
00:12:08.760 from De Carlos Brown himself and his attorney. Oh, well, they wanted to push it off, so why not?
00:12:14.600 Why that request was granted, we are not told. We get no information whatsoever. All you can be
00:12:23.680 sure of at this point is that the trial isn't going to take place for a very long time, if it occurs at
00:12:29.400 all. Even in a case where the defendant's guilt is obvious to everyone in the entire country,
00:12:35.640 where there is 0% chance that he's innocent, we're told to put up with these endless delays
00:12:42.300 for no reason. Now, these delays are downstream from that Supreme Court decision in the 70s that
00:12:48.560 we talked about. And that Supreme Court decision was downstream of the belief, which is false,
00:12:52.440 that innocent defendants are sent to death row all the time. That was never true. Okay? It wasn't
00:12:58.000 true in the 1970s. It's certainly not true anymore. We don't need a neurotic number of hearings and
00:13:03.900 appeals to determine the fate of animals like De Carlos Brown. The evidence is overwhelming.
00:13:09.280 It is absolutely conclusive. And it's overwhelming in every other death row case, by the way.
00:13:18.380 So why haven't any states attempted to bypass this Supreme Court decision with lawsuits or new
00:13:23.040 legislation? Why haven't we seen legal challenges to this absurd framework that essentially renders the
00:13:28.680 death penalty moot? Why don't states say, actually, you know, we don't need mandatory appeals anymore
00:13:36.020 for endless hearings. We can just hold a trial, present the overwhelming evidence, and then get
00:13:40.620 on with it. There's certainly no constitutional basis for making the death penalty effectively
00:13:45.800 impossible to enforce. On the contrary, the founders approved of the death penalty explicitly
00:13:50.380 in many cases. So why don't we see any legal challenges on this point? The only explanation that makes
00:13:58.280 sense is that in the case of De Carlos Brown and every other case like it, the people in charge of
00:14:03.800 the state government, the reason why they're delighted, they want us to forget what happened.
00:14:10.320 They want the outrage to subside, which it usually does. And then they can get away with giving as
00:14:17.160 lenient a sentence as possible. That's what the mayor of Charlotte clearly wants. Remember, she put out
00:14:22.320 a statement right away saying that we should feel sympathy for people like De Carlos Brown, attacked
00:14:27.040 anyone who shared the footage of Irina's murder. She doesn't want De Carlos Brown to be executed. And
00:14:32.420 if she can arrange it, she wants him out on the street as soon as possible so we can terrorize more
00:14:39.720 innocent women. And it's not crazy to think the mayor of Charlotte might accomplish that goal. Just a
00:14:45.400 week ago, we covered the case of a convicted child killer who managed to get out of prison in less
00:14:50.220 than a decade. I mean, with that case in mind, do you think it's impossible that De Carlos Brown
00:14:55.480 actually is released at some point in the not too distant future? Is it impossible that he ends up on
00:15:01.320 another light rail, a free man? It's certainly not impossible. It's very possible. Now, fortunately,
00:15:10.340 in the case of De Carlos Brown, there are federal charges as well. And those charges are also death
00:15:15.040 eligible. But that prosecution and any potential conviction could be undone by a future
00:15:19.820 Democrat administration. At this point, particularly if De Carlos Brown isn't executed,
00:15:23.940 that outcome seems like a distinct possibility. But it shouldn't be possible. The right to a speedy
00:15:29.360 trial doesn't just apply for the benefit of the defendant. It also applies for the benefit of
00:15:34.620 society. We have a constitutional right to see violent criminals punished swiftly to the fullest extent
00:15:41.880 of the law. Once someone does something like this, the rest of us have a right to no longer be
00:15:49.900 required to share a planet with that person. That's our right. It is our right to have that
00:15:58.280 person executed. Every once in a while over the past month or so, I've come across a post on X with
00:16:05.160 that picture of Irina along with a message like, we haven't forgotten you or something along those
00:16:10.480 lines. And I hope that's true. But as months turn into years, inevitably, people will become
00:16:17.100 distracted. There'll be more violence and chaos and tragedy. Democrats will make sure of that.
00:16:23.540 And it'll be easy, despite our best efforts, to forget what happened to Irina.
00:16:28.700 That's what they want us to do. That was the whole point of the Supreme Court's decision in the 1970s
00:16:32.920 and all the state laws that followed. Now's the time for those laws to change. It's time for
00:16:38.500 Irina Zarutska's killer to receive a fair trial and then a speedy execution in a matter of weeks,
00:16:45.240 if not days, which is admittedly a far more dignified death than he deserves. But under our
00:16:51.020 constitution and our common law tradition on the death penalty, which has been ignored since the 1970s,
00:16:57.000 it is the fate that the Carlos Brown should receive. Now let's get to our five headlines.
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00:19:21.700 November 4th. Abigail Spanberger, who refuses to condemn political violence against conservatives,
00:19:28.480 just put out this ad targeting Winsome Earl Sears, her Republican opponent. Let's watch it.
00:19:33.720 I'm Abigail Spanberger, candidate for governor, and I sponsored this ad.
00:19:37.320 MAGA Republican Winsome Earl Sears.
00:19:39.360 I am wicked!
00:19:40.940 And what Sears says about abortion is disturbing.
00:19:43.560 We know abortion is wicked.
00:19:45.760 Sears wants a near total ban with no exceptions for rape and incest. And she talks about violence
00:19:51.060 against those who disagree with her.
00:19:52.780 Murder is murder. And one day it's going to be your turn.
00:19:56.460 Talking about the murder of those who support abortion rights?
00:19:59.800 Winsome Earl Sears.
00:20:00.760 So far, right? She's wrong for Virginia.
00:20:02.980 Just the absolute shamelessness of these people. Absolutely shameless.
00:20:10.900 Makes me mad. Makes me want to check in on the fish cam. Can we put the fish cam up?
00:20:14.680 Just so I can calm down for a moment. Here we go.
00:20:19.080 I'm going to run this joke into the ground. I already have.
00:20:22.760 I'm going to run it. It's going to be obliterated in a thousand pieces, this joke.
00:20:28.840 So, it's not even a joke, though.
00:20:32.200 Spanberger is attacking Sears for supposedly supporting political violence, which isn't true.
00:20:37.480 That was taken out of context, of course.
00:20:39.220 She was clearly saying, you can tell even from the clip, without context, that she's saying that murder is murder.
00:20:45.120 Murdering babies is wrong, and it's just as wrong to murder babies as it would be to murder you.
00:20:49.120 That's the point. And regardless, you know, your attorney general candidate openly expressed his desire to kill his political opponents himself.
00:20:58.200 He openly expressed his desire to watch their children die, okay?
00:21:03.240 And Spanberger refused to call for him to step down, infamously.
00:21:09.300 We all saw that video.
00:21:11.480 And now here she is bringing up the topic of political violence herself.
00:21:15.200 The topic where she is vulnerable, but she's pretending that's not the case.
00:21:19.160 And as a Democrat, she can get away with that kind of thing, because she knows she has the media behind her.
00:21:23.240 She has an entire propaganda machine behind her that operates for free for her.
00:21:31.400 So she thinks she can get away with it, and she probably will.
00:21:36.360 But to me, the more grievous thing, the more revealing thing, is how she goes after Sears for opposing abortion,
00:21:43.300 while also trying to tag Sears as the violent one.
00:21:47.680 So it is violent, somehow, to oppose violence against babies.
00:21:53.240 Which is the argument that she's making.
00:21:56.440 You know, speaking of being vulnerable, I mean, we're having a conversation about violence, political violence.
00:22:03.620 And you are volunteering, you are reminding us that you're the side that supports the murder of 60 million babies.
00:22:11.540 And that's why the left can never win this argument about who's the more violent one.
00:22:16.800 Okay, this pissing match, they can never win.
00:22:19.360 Who supports violence the most?
00:22:22.840 Who's the most violent?
00:22:23.520 Now, obviously, they are the ones committing and supporting political violence.
00:22:26.480 It's like 100% them.
00:22:28.960 So they've already lost the argument.
00:22:30.600 But even if that, here's the thing, even if that were not the case,
00:22:33.780 let's pretend that it's 50-50.
00:22:37.140 50% of the political violence is supported and committed by conservatives, the other 50, by the left.
00:22:45.600 In fact, let's pretend that the media is right when they claim that,
00:22:49.300 whoa, actually, most political violence is from the right.
00:22:54.820 Let's pretend that's true.
00:22:57.000 Let's pretend that 100% of the political violence is committed by the right.
00:23:06.880 Let's just imagine that we are in that sort of fantasy world for a moment.
00:23:13.420 Even if all of that were true, the left would still be vastly more violent and more dangerous than the right.
00:23:23.780 Because when it comes down to it, 60 million babies have been slaughtered over the past half century in this country.
00:23:30.480 And the left supported it and funded it and facilitated it.
00:23:34.880 So they win the violence contest already.
00:23:40.120 Like, no matter what anyone on the right does, you still win that contest.
00:23:44.460 And this is also why there will never be any moral equivalence between the left and the right.
00:23:56.460 There are a lot of reasons why there's no moral equivalence.
00:24:00.500 But this will always be the issue that cuts that argument off at the pass.
00:24:04.200 The argument's a non-starter.
00:24:05.820 You can't even begin to draw in equivalence.
00:24:08.480 Because one side is responsible for killing 60 million babies.
00:24:12.480 And if you believe that, if you actually believe that, if you actually believe the pro-life argument, which I do,
00:24:23.340 then you cannot possibly draw any equivalence.
00:24:28.000 And it's pretty obvious to me that there are a number of conservatives who don't actually believe the argument.
00:24:34.720 They might claim to be pro-life.
00:24:36.320 They say we're murdering babies.
00:24:37.460 They don't really believe it.
00:24:38.940 And I know they don't, because if they turn around, as some of them have, and say, well, you know, the far right is just as bad, if not worse.
00:24:48.180 Well, if you're saying that, then you don't actually believe what you're saying about abortion.
00:25:04.060 Because if you do, there is no possible way you can argue that anything happening on the right comes anywhere close to 60 million murders.
00:25:16.700 Nothing comes close.
00:25:18.560 You either believe that or you don't.
00:25:28.360 And that was my point, by the way.
00:25:30.900 That doesn't mean that everything anyone says on the right is correct.
00:25:36.160 It doesn't mean we can't disagree with each other.
00:25:37.720 All of that, obviously.
00:25:39.640 What it does mean is that there's no moral equivalence.
00:25:42.100 What it does mean is that you can't say things like, well, it's just as bad, just as bad.
00:25:48.440 And I've seen that argument verbatim quite a lot.
00:25:56.200 And if you're saying that, you're full of shit.
00:25:58.280 Either you're full of shit when you pretend to be pro-life, or you're full of shit when you pretend that they're just as bad.
00:26:04.100 Because you can't be both.
00:26:06.700 You can't actually think that the far left is responsible for the murder of 60 million humans and also really think that the quote-unquote far right is just as bad.
00:26:23.380 And that was my point about the stupid group chat that some conservatives were panicking about.
00:26:30.080 We're dealing with people who celebrate the mass slaughter of babies.
00:26:32.980 I mean, why in God's name would we spend even one millisecond talking about edgy jokes in a group chat?
00:26:40.960 How could it even come up?
00:26:43.900 I mean, and I know the response is going to be, to what I'm saying right now, is going to be, well, both are bad.
00:26:54.600 Why can't we condemn both?
00:26:58.840 Well, you know what that's like?
00:27:00.060 It's like if someone tells you that they have stage four pancreatic cancer and they'll be dead in six months, and then you say, oh, man, that's terrible.
00:27:08.820 You know, yeah, I know how you feel.
00:27:10.340 I just stubbed my toe.
00:27:13.760 Now, it's true that both the stubbed toe and the pancreatic cancer are bad.
00:27:18.340 That is true.
00:27:20.880 They both fall under the category of bad things.
00:27:23.860 I agree.
00:27:24.320 But bad things are a rather vast spectrum.
00:27:32.460 There's a lot of bad things.
00:27:33.500 They're not equally as bad.
00:27:35.160 Stubbed toe is bad.
00:27:36.140 Cancer is bad.
00:27:38.000 I think we all agree that they're not the same.
00:27:40.080 They're not equal levels of bad.
00:27:42.180 They are so astronomically far apart on the scale.
00:27:51.160 They are so far divided in terms of severity that they are in different galaxies, which means that bringing up the stubbed toe in the face of the cancer is insane.
00:28:02.360 It's an insane thing.
00:28:04.960 Now, in a vacuum, if I was just walking along with you down the road and you stubbed your toe and you said, oh, damn, stubbed my toe, that'd be okay.
00:28:17.920 If we're walking down the road and nothing else going on and you stubbed your toe and say, oh, I stubbed my toe, I would not respond by saying, well, how can you talk about a stubbed toe when people have cancer?
00:28:27.380 That would be a crazy response on my part.
00:28:28.980 In fact, in that context, you stubbed your toe, I would say, oh, are you okay?
00:28:34.260 I'd be sympathetic.
00:28:35.120 I mean, I wouldn't really care, but I'd pretend anyway.
00:28:40.500 But bringing it up in the context of the cancer, bringing it up in the face of the cancer is psychotic.
00:28:54.260 It's actually evil.
00:28:55.300 I mean, it's evil to try to change the subject for even one second to your stubbed toe while this guy over here just told you about his cancer.
00:29:06.880 And so that is the situation we have with the group chat or anything similar on the right.
00:29:12.860 The context, okay, this is not a context that is like we're just walking down the road and nothing else is going on.
00:29:21.460 That's not our context.
00:29:23.380 Our context is that Charlie Kirk was just murdered and the left celebrated it and we all watched them do it.
00:29:30.940 The context is that they're celebrating violence in the street every day.
00:29:34.480 The context is that they are literally murdering babies every single day, millions of them over the years.
00:29:41.000 That is our context.
00:29:43.720 And in that context, the stubbed toe of some dumb, edgy jokes or rude comments made in private are not even close to being worthy of our attention.
00:29:56.580 And I don't know how else to explain it other than that.
00:30:08.180 If you still don't get the point I'm trying to make after that, that I'm out of, I've run out of, we've run out of road here.
00:30:17.300 There's nothing else to be said.
00:30:18.520 Here's an article in the Times headline, meet the young Americans who want a monarchy, but not King Trump.
00:30:33.140 So this is, millions of protesters took to the streets in fear for the future of the republic.
00:30:37.980 A growing fringe say it's time for an absolute monarchy.
00:30:41.140 So that's the premise here.
00:30:41.980 The rise of monarchism among young Americans is consistent with a number of studies that suggest Gen Z is more suspicious of democracy than previous generations.
00:30:51.840 Fewer than 1% of the over 65 are in favor of the American monarchy.
00:30:57.040 But 27% of 18 to 29-year-olds in the USA would like to have a king or queen, according to a YouGov poll in 2023.
00:31:07.820 And that's pretty much the whole story.
00:31:09.420 I mean, it goes on and on, but the claim anyway is that monarchy is becoming more popular in America, especially among young people, especially among young men in particular, they say.
00:31:19.900 And look, I don't know how accurate that premise is.
00:31:25.820 I'm skeptical about the claim that almost 30% of Americans in their 20s want to have a king or queen.
00:31:34.060 I'm pretty skeptical about that.
00:31:35.720 You know, even if some poll said that, I'm still skeptical.
00:31:42.980 Like, that's just anecdotally, that's not an argument that I've ever seriously encountered in the wild from a real person.
00:31:53.760 I don't know if I've ever heard someone genuinely say that they would actually like to pursue, you know, an agenda where we end up with a king instead of a president.
00:32:05.580 So, I mean, and yeah, we're told 30% of young people feel that way.
00:32:09.640 I don't know.
00:32:11.060 But let's accept the premise for now.
00:32:14.740 Because I want to make a few points about it.
00:32:16.140 And I certainly, now, when they say that a growing number of young people are skeptical about democracy, that I don't doubt.
00:32:25.480 Now, being skeptical about democracy, having problems with democracy, that's not the same thing as just openly supporting having a monarch.
00:32:34.560 It's not exactly the same.
00:32:37.320 But anyway, so let's just accept the premise.
00:32:39.520 And first of all, a couple things.
00:32:42.120 First of all, none of this has anything to do with Trump.
00:32:43.840 Trump is not a king.
00:32:44.680 He's not acting like a king.
00:32:45.760 The no kings protest, that's why it's so dumb.
00:32:48.700 He's a duly elected president, acting within the bounds of the law.
00:32:51.900 He's actually showing a lot of restraint.
00:32:53.600 If anything, he's showing too much restraint.
00:32:56.440 I think he's done an excellent job.
00:32:57.900 But if I had any criticism, it's all along the lines of he's too restrained, still, in my opinion.
00:33:02.220 But, although I understand politically why, you know, why that is.
00:33:12.600 And as I pointed out many times, Joe Biden, or the Biden regime anyway, acted much more dictatorial than Trump has ever acted or will ever act.
00:33:21.640 So that's the first thing.
00:33:22.660 Now, as to the question, to the extent that any sizable number of Americans want a monarchy, why would they feel that way?
00:33:30.860 Are they all a bunch of evil fascists?
00:33:34.260 Well, no.
00:33:35.820 These are people who have noticed something true about our country, which is that our democratic system is falling apart.
00:33:44.360 Our democratic system is failing.
00:33:47.040 That is true.
00:33:49.700 It just is.
00:33:50.480 Now, it hasn't quite reached the point of not working at all.
00:33:54.060 I mean, in the last presidential election, the Democrat scheme to replace their dementia-riddled candidate with some woman nobody likes, obviously failed in that case.
00:34:06.900 You know, if democracy didn't work at all, then that scheme would have worked.
00:34:10.160 In fact, if democracy didn't work at all, if we were at that point, then Joe Biden would have just become, he would have gotten a second term as a vegetable.
00:34:19.020 Because that was their first plan, as we know.
00:34:21.780 That's what they actually wanted to have happen.
00:34:24.140 But democracy asserted itself and worked the way it was supposed to.
00:34:28.100 And this is the problem with monarchy, by the way.
00:34:30.280 If we had a monarchy, then Joe Biden would have remained the king as long as he is, you know, even after his mind was gone, he would have been king.
00:34:37.980 And he would have been succeeded by, what, Hunter Biden?
00:34:44.160 That's the thing about a monarchy.
00:34:45.380 It may seem like an appealing idea to some people until you get a bad monarch.
00:34:49.180 At least with a bad president, you can get rid of him in four years, in theory anyway.
00:34:53.060 So, all that to say, our democratic system worked in 2024.
00:34:59.460 And I'm not saying that just because the guy I supported won.
00:35:04.680 I'm not saying, well, a democrat system works when the guy I like wins and doesn't work when he loses.
00:35:09.960 I say it worked because the democrats tried to rig the game, which, as usual, but they failed.
00:35:19.580 But in general, our democracy is starting to break apart.
00:35:22.700 You know, that's the, it's not a straight line down, but it's trending down.
00:35:28.120 You know, there's peaks and valleys, but it's trending down.
00:35:32.300 How do we know that?
00:35:33.220 Well, they're about to make a foreign socialist from Uganda, the mayor of New York.
00:35:38.040 Look at some of the people we have in Congress, people who are open about their allegiances to foreign countries.
00:35:44.620 Ilhan Omar openly talks about how Somalia is a real priority.
00:35:51.020 People who are so incredibly stupid and incompetent that they aren't qualified to be shift manager at Domino's Pizza, much less members of Congress.
00:35:58.740 There's a chance that a Somali scammer will be the next mayor of Minneapolis.
00:36:02.600 I mean, the list goes on.
00:36:04.120 This is what our democracy is getting us now.
00:36:05.740 It's a government increasingly run by foreign agents, scam artists, and semi-literate retards.
00:36:14.480 And so that's what democracy is getting us.
00:36:18.040 What's happening is people are looking at that.
00:36:21.320 They're looking at all this.
00:36:22.540 They're looking at Congress.
00:36:25.680 They're looking at these congressional hearings, arguments that very much resemble arguments that you might find in a Waffle House or on a Spirit Airlines flight, but should not be happening in the halls of Congress.
00:36:39.100 They're looking at that sort of thing, and they're saying, you know, this democracy thing, not all it's cracked up to be.
00:36:43.960 They're noticing the fact that our democracy has empowered the dumbest, most incompetent people, people who don't even like our country and aren't loyal to it, to seize positions of power.
00:36:54.940 People are noticing that, and they should notice it, and they're right.
00:36:57.340 But I think they're wrong about the solution.
00:37:01.480 We don't need a monarch, and there's no way to get to there from here anyway.
00:37:08.000 Even if we could, you know, the monarch would come from the ā€“ like, where ā€“ like, well, we should have a monarch.
00:37:13.500 Who?
00:37:15.600 Who's that guy going to be?
00:37:17.440 And who's going to select that person?
00:37:19.340 Well, the monarch would come from the system.
00:37:22.680 You know, it would be chosen by the system, and the system is fundamentally left-wing.
00:37:25.900 So we'd end up with a left-wing monarch.
00:37:29.060 And also, of course, our country was founded by people who rebelled against monarchy.
00:37:32.740 So a monarchy in America would be the end of America that our founder ā€“ it would be the end of the America that our founders created, which is to say it would be the end of America.
00:37:41.160 And I don't want that because I love America.
00:37:45.160 I don't want to give up on it.
00:37:48.460 And none of this is necessary anyway.
00:37:50.240 It's not possible.
00:37:51.200 I mean, that's the other thing.
00:37:52.780 That's maybe the main thing.
00:37:53.640 It's like even if you think that, well, we should have a monarchy, I disagree, but it's like that can't happen, okay?
00:38:02.700 But on top of all that, it's not necessary.
00:38:07.880 The problem ā€“ yeah, all of the issues you're noticing with our democratic system as it is currently run, those issues are true, and they are real, and they're a big problem.
00:38:20.620 Okay, when you just have, like, hordes of idiots who don't even love this country getting to decide what happens, it's a catastrophe.
00:38:31.560 You just can't ā€“ you can't ā€“ you can't have a functioning country that way.
00:38:36.000 It cannot work.
00:38:37.160 Nothing works that way.
00:38:42.880 Nothing ā€“ no system at all works.
00:38:46.780 When you just say to everybody in the system, with no qualification, okay, everybody gets an equal say about what we're going to do.
00:38:53.260 There is no system, no organization, nothing that works if you do it that way.
00:39:03.160 And a country doesn't work that way either.
00:39:05.180 But we don't need to abolish our entire constitution and our entire system of government.
00:39:10.420 We don't need to abolish what our founders set up, and we shouldn't.
00:39:12.860 We need to restore it.
00:39:14.140 We need to go back to what they had in mind, and they never had in mind, to give literally every person who happens to be living inside our borders a vote.
00:39:21.920 That was never the idea.
00:39:24.120 The founders didn't want to do that because the founders were not morons.
00:39:27.380 Why is our system falling apart?
00:39:28.860 Well, because we give the vote to foreigners who have no stake in our country and no love for it.
00:39:35.620 We give the vote to welfare queens who don't contribute to society in any way whatsoever.
00:39:40.140 We give the vote to people with 70 IQs who have no idea what planet they're even living on.
00:39:44.780 We give the vote to the dumbest and most useless people.
00:39:48.260 We give the vote to people who think that, like, The Handmaid's Tale is a great prophetic work of literature.
00:39:52.900 We give the vote to anybody with a pulse, and we even give the vote to people who don't have a pulse.
00:39:56.600 So that's the problem, right?
00:39:58.860 And it's true, again, that the system does not work that way.
00:40:02.560 If you insist on that, then your country is going to fall apart.
00:40:08.260 And, I mean, you're definitely better off living under a wise and just monarch than in a democracy governed by a mob of the dumbest, most clueless idiots the world has ever seen.
00:40:21.280 Between those two choices, you're better with the former.
00:40:26.120 That doesn't have to be the choice.
00:40:28.860 And besides, the wise and just qualifier is, like, really important there.
00:40:33.100 And there's no guarantees about that.
00:40:34.600 So the better solution is to fix our current system.
00:40:40.600 And you can do that in ways that I've described many times.
00:40:44.740 It can be done.
00:40:45.740 Now, do I think it will be done?
00:40:47.980 No, I have no faith in that.
00:40:49.360 But it can be.
00:40:50.380 Unlike, you know, transitioning from our current system to having a monarchy, having a king and a palace, which cannot happen, fixing the voting system can, in theory, happen.
00:41:04.080 And, again, I've talked in many ways about how to do it.
00:41:08.440 And drastically narrow the qualifications to vote.
00:41:13.260 That's it.
00:41:13.820 I'm not saying that that would create a utopia.
00:41:16.760 I'm not saying that it would solve all of our problems.
00:41:18.720 It would solve a lot of our problems.
00:41:22.760 I mean, if there's one thing we could do all by itself that would be nearly guaranteed to make America great again, it would be that.
00:41:30.720 Because right now, the idea is that every human existing within our borders is automatically qualified to vote, as long as they're over the age of 18.
00:41:46.820 And that's going to come down to anyway.
00:41:49.400 And that's total madness.
00:41:50.640 It was never supposed to be that way.
00:41:51.980 None of our founders, none of the founders of our democratic system, going all the way back to our founders, going back further to the ancient Greeks.
00:42:01.060 I mean, none of them recommended the kind of system we have now.
00:42:04.960 In fact, they all warned against it.
00:42:07.980 They all said, well, obviously, look, people should have a say, but obviously you can't just have an unruly mob of any old moron with no stake in anything.
00:42:20.700 Deciding what happens in your country.
00:42:22.700 Like, obviously, you can't give them an equal say.
00:42:27.800 And we got all those warnings over the millennia.
00:42:31.520 And we said, yeah, but you know what?
00:42:33.160 I think we'll do exactly that.
00:42:37.740 Fortunately, it's an easy fix.
00:42:40.340 Not a likely fix, but it is easy.
00:42:42.860 It could happen.
00:42:44.140 We could transform our country overnight with a few tweaks.
00:42:46.180 You know, you just got to disenfranchise a few groups.
00:42:54.220 And I've gone over the list before.
00:42:56.060 I mean, disenfranchise, take the vote away from anybody on welfare, number one.
00:43:00.920 If you're living off of taxpayer money, you shouldn't get to vote.
00:43:03.720 Now, the good news is if you get back on your own two feet and you're living on your own and not living off of the dole, you could then earn the right to vote at that point.
00:43:12.880 But while you're living on the dole, you shouldn't.
00:43:14.780 You should know.
00:43:15.700 The vote should go to people who are able to support themselves and contribute to society.
00:43:19.360 And you might have reasons why you're not able to do that.
00:43:21.880 But even so, you know, we can be sympathetic to that.
00:43:26.340 But that means that you don't, no, you don't get to be a captain of the ship here.
00:43:29.740 You don't get to steer the ship.
00:43:32.620 You don't get to vote to give yourself more of my money.
00:43:39.180 You're not putting any money into the system and you get to vote to decide what happens with it.
00:43:43.880 No, like clearly that we should not allow that.
00:43:48.740 Next, I would disenfranchise anyone who can't pass a 10 question fifth grade civics exam.
00:43:53.680 Every time I say that, people are like, well, how could you?
00:43:57.020 That's impossible to.
00:43:58.300 You could very easily do that.
00:44:00.260 Very easily.
00:44:01.600 It's a low bar.
00:44:02.500 It's a very generous bar.
00:44:03.640 I mean, it's still, I mean, you could argue for a much higher bar than that.
00:44:06.520 But I think that that would be good enough.
00:44:10.360 And how do you do it?
00:44:11.400 Well, when you register to vote, require registration in person somewhere, like at the DMV or whatever.
00:44:16.900 And you should be given a quick exam on paper.
00:44:20.680 No Googling.
00:44:21.520 No chat GPT allowed.
00:44:23.680 And if you can't get at least seven of the 10 correct, then you don't get to vote.
00:44:28.100 And it would be questions really easy, like name the branches of government.
00:44:32.080 I mean, not even fifth grade.
00:44:33.420 Like, it's lower than that.
00:44:36.320 And anyone who can't do that shouldn't be allowed to vote.
00:44:41.740 Right?
00:44:42.220 They're not fit.
00:44:42.960 They're not suited.
00:44:43.400 Why should you be allowed to vote in a system that you don't even understand?
00:44:49.660 You don't know what you're doing.
00:44:52.540 Right?
00:44:52.980 It's no different than a driver's exam, which we also administer at the DMV.
00:44:56.740 The basic idea is, well, we're not going to let you drive unless you demonstrate that you know how to do it.
00:45:01.860 And we're not going to let you have a say over our system if you can't demonstrate that you know anything about it in the first place.
00:45:12.340 What we do now, it's like the equivalent of letting someone drive, giving them a driver's license, when they don't even know which pedal is the brake pedal.
00:45:24.200 Okay, they don't even know what a steering wheel is.
00:45:30.000 It's like if someone shows up and you're trying to teach them to drive, you say, okay, put your hands on the steering wheel.
00:45:35.740 And they go, which one is that?
00:45:38.760 And then you say, oh, good enough.
00:45:40.940 Here's your driver's license.
00:45:43.180 Be on your way.
00:45:46.680 We have the equivalent of that.
00:45:50.260 We have these people just wandering in like, what is this?
00:45:54.920 What?
00:45:55.360 What are we doing here?
00:45:59.120 You're voting.
00:46:00.680 You're going to vote for president.
00:46:01.860 Who's that?
00:46:02.260 Which one's the president again?
00:46:04.360 Is he the, which one?
00:46:10.720 So, obviously, we can't do that.
00:46:13.120 And then I would also disenfranchise dual citizens.
00:46:15.440 You know, you renounce your citizenship to any other country before you can vote in our elections.
00:46:19.720 Again, these are all, this is like really reasonable stuff.
00:46:22.060 I mean, this is very reasonable.
00:46:22.980 And in general, I would make the voting qualifications even higher for legal citizens who were not born in this country.
00:46:32.200 First generation immigrants.
00:46:33.500 You know, I wouldn't disenfranchise them all, but I want the best of the best voting in our elections to come here and start voting.
00:46:45.200 Like to come here and be allowed to be a citizen in the first place.
00:46:47.260 I think the bar should be very high to then be able to contribute, to actually be able to like, again, steer the ship.
00:46:53.560 I think it's an even higher bar.
00:46:56.260 And, you know, now I say this as someone who wants a moratorium on all immigration to begin with.
00:47:01.660 But to the extent that we have any immigrants coming in, I would raise the bar even higher before they're allowed to vote.
00:47:08.740 But the one qualification there, just again, like lowest, really low, low bar is just you must renounce any citizenship to any other country.
00:47:20.100 You only are a citizen of ours.
00:47:21.580 And if you are not willing to do that, then you shouldn't get a say.
00:47:27.900 Then voting is not for you.
00:47:31.340 Then at that point, if you want to live in this country, then it is a privilege that we are allowing you to live here.
00:47:36.200 But we will decide what happens here, not you.
00:47:43.000 And that's it.
00:47:45.340 I mean, what is that?
00:47:46.340 Four or five qualifications, really?
00:47:49.280 It's basically requiring the bare possible minimum of voters.
00:48:00.160 And the idea that we shouldn't even require the bare minimum is, to me, like total lunacy.
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00:49:53.040 Ever since he lied about the assassination of Charlie Kirk and then pretended that he was the victim
00:49:58.280 when people called him a scumbag, it's been a very strange few weeks for Jimmy Kimmel.
00:50:02.360 Now, try putting yourself in his position.
00:50:04.200 You host a comedy show even though you don't tell any jokes.
00:50:07.000 You make millions of dollars every year even though you're less popular than novelty YouTube channels
00:50:12.100 that are devoted to stamp collecting.
00:50:14.960 The only reason you're still employed is that everybody, including the executives at your network,
00:50:19.580 have forgotten you existed.
00:50:21.320 And then all of a sudden, you have a large temporary surge in viewers
00:50:25.300 because you say something monumentally stupid and evil.
00:50:28.340 So what's your next move in that situation?
00:50:31.160 I can't say with any degree of confidence what Jimmy Kimmel's next move actually was.
00:50:36.120 Like everybody else in the country, I don't watch his show.
00:50:38.280 At the same time, I couldn't help but notice this recent footage,
00:50:41.380 which was circulating on social media the other day.
00:50:43.500 Apparently, Kimmel's show featured some kind of drag queen story hour segment
00:50:47.320 in which a man dressed as a whorish woman starts reading books to children
00:50:51.580 who are clearly child actors.
00:50:53.580 Watch.
00:50:54.380 I'm Trissy McCell.
00:50:57.760 Do I scare any of you?
00:50:59.900 No.
00:51:00.600 No.
00:51:01.340 Really?
00:51:02.080 You just look amazing.
00:51:03.400 Why would that be scary?
00:51:05.140 That is so affirming.
00:51:06.180 Thank you so much.
00:51:07.040 You guys look amazing too.
00:51:08.240 Thank you.
00:51:09.000 Thank you.
00:51:09.680 Well, I have a whole pile of books here.
00:51:11.480 What if we chose one together?
00:51:12.700 Because this is, after all, a democracy.
00:51:14.840 As of this morning, it's still a democracy.
00:51:17.700 I'm not sure.
00:51:20.320 First up, we have, who cares about elderly people?
00:51:24.400 Yes.
00:51:25.020 Yes.
00:51:25.760 No.
00:51:26.020 This is, collectible spoons of the Third Reich.
00:51:29.720 No.
00:51:30.760 Not at all.
00:51:31.360 Okay.
00:51:32.020 Would you guys like to read a book by President Trump?
00:51:34.220 No.
00:51:36.180 Please.
00:51:37.080 Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:51:37.480 Hold up.
00:51:38.340 What about President Trump's least favorite son?
00:51:41.700 No.
00:51:42.740 Wait, how many sons do you do?
00:51:45.080 Now, you can tell the kids who were coached to react negatively when they're told about
00:51:48.540 the Trump book.
00:51:49.240 They overdo it, as most child actors do.
00:51:51.460 So really, what we're watching here is a man dressed as a woman pretending to indoctrinate
00:51:55.360 children who have already been indoctrinated.
00:51:58.200 And I guess we're supposed to find this funny or entertaining in some way, even though it's
00:52:01.180 obviously neither.
00:52:02.760 It feels like every other Jimmy Kimmel segment, which is to say it feels like his writers
00:52:06.140 just looked over a list of Democrat Party talking points for the week and decided
00:52:09.800 to make a segment based on those talking points.
00:52:12.420 Whatever the DNC wants Jimmy Kimmel to say or do, he'll say or do it.
00:52:15.680 In that sense, I suppose you could say that this segment does serve some practical purpose.
00:52:19.800 It suggests that even as they're still reeling from their defeat in the last election, Democrats
00:52:23.700 are still clinging to their drag queen obsession, of all things.
00:52:28.260 They don't have any sense for how creepy and disturbing this is to the vast majority of
00:52:32.760 Americans, to every single normal person.
00:52:35.780 They haven't changed their messaging or their tactics in the slightest.
00:52:38.020 Now, it's obviously good news for conservatives, even though it's a very bad omen for many
00:52:42.740 children, particularly children in public school.
00:52:45.620 But this segment, it's not just an excellent example of how morally bankrupt and frankly
00:52:50.980 disturbing the left has become.
00:52:52.160 It's also exhibit a, for something I said recently on this show, which is that intolerance is a
00:52:57.980 virtue.
00:52:59.640 You know, there are some behaviors and beliefs that a moral society simply cannot tolerate.
00:53:04.560 Now, you might think this statement is a self-evidently true, uncontroversial thing to say, but apparently
00:53:11.660 it's not.
00:53:12.660 So let's recap by going over what I said the other day.
00:53:15.680 And first, we'll play the clip.
00:53:16.920 Watch.
00:53:19.280 Here's how it works.
00:53:21.280 Right?
00:53:21.780 The left comes along with something they want to do, some agenda item, something, something
00:53:26.560 bad always.
00:53:27.480 And the first reaction from everybody usually is, well, that sounds terrible.
00:53:33.420 I don't, why would we want that?
00:53:35.400 No, let's not do that.
00:53:36.800 Oh, you want to destroy the institution of marriage?
00:53:39.100 You want us to pretend that men are married when they're not?
00:53:41.140 No, let's not.
00:53:41.980 Oh, you want to castrate kids?
00:53:43.340 You want men in the women's locker room?
00:53:45.380 No, that's insane.
00:53:46.520 We're not doing that.
00:53:47.820 Oh, you want to flood our country with third worlders?
00:53:50.700 No.
00:53:51.200 Like, there's literally no benefit to us whatsoever.
00:53:53.220 Why do we want to do that?
00:53:53.880 And so that's usually people's first reaction, but then the left, they get, they get to work
00:53:57.900 and they demand tolerance.
00:54:01.200 That's the first thing.
00:54:02.900 They demand tolerance.
00:54:05.180 They say, well, you know, they might not like it, but you should, you should put up with
00:54:10.060 it.
00:54:10.760 Should be tolerant.
00:54:13.600 And then they demand affirmation after they get tolerance.
00:54:18.680 And then they demand celebration.
00:54:23.320 And then they demand participation.
00:54:26.780 Okay, so it's tolerance, affirmation, celebration, participation.
00:54:30.600 Before we get all the way to participation, we should say no.
00:54:34.500 Now, you know what?
00:54:34.980 I'm not even going to tolerate this.
00:54:36.940 I am actively opposed to this.
00:54:39.000 I think it's bad.
00:54:39.980 I don't want it in my community and I don't want it in my country.
00:54:44.040 We need to be intolerant.
00:54:45.880 Intolerance is a virtue.
00:54:47.340 Intolerance is good.
00:54:48.140 Intolerance is holy.
00:54:50.020 Intolerance is Christian.
00:54:52.900 Intolerance is moral and courageous.
00:54:55.040 Intolerance is biblical.
00:55:00.320 Intolerance is loving.
00:55:03.520 Loving to your family, to your country, to your way of life that you should be protecting.
00:55:11.500 Now, the point I'm making here isn't even unique to conservatism or the right.
00:55:17.420 There are many prominent liberal thinkers, including John Locke, the father of liberalism, who have made similar arguments.
00:55:22.940 But you don't need to be well-versed in classical philosophy to get the point.
00:55:26.800 We all know it's true simply based on our day-to-day observations.
00:55:29.380 Tolerance, particularly in the hands of the modern left, it's a Trojan horse.
00:55:33.700 In the span of a decade, we went from just tolerate gay marriage, it doesn't harm you anyway, to affirm my pronouns and my fake gender or you deserve to die a horrible death.
00:55:42.860 Oh, and by the way, we're going to get you fired from your job if we don't kill you.
00:55:46.800 That's where tolerance leads in many cases.
00:55:49.500 It's an invitation to be taken advantage of.
00:55:51.500 As G.K. Chesterton puts it, tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
00:55:55.980 And we should stop pretending otherwise, especially after everything we've seen in recent years.
00:55:59.980 But on the left, even among the self-styled free thinkers on the left who are willing to have some dialogue with conservatives, my comments were not meant with resounding approval.
00:56:09.340 For example, Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks posted this response, quote,
00:56:13.920 Matt Walsh said we need to be intolerant.
00:56:16.260 Intolerant is a virtue.
00:56:17.100 Intolerance is good.
00:56:17.780 Intolerance is holy.
00:56:18.480 Intolerance is Christian.
00:56:19.340 Intolerance is moral and courageous.
00:56:21.140 This is why I'm on the left.
00:56:22.360 When some on the right say this about any of us, Muslims, blacks, gay people, etc., you're saying we don't want you.
00:56:27.920 Okay, I heard that loud and clear.
00:56:29.140 Then do you expect my vote after you told me you can't even tolerate me?
00:56:32.800 I know he doesn't speak for everyone on the right or even a majority, but it's guys like him who use culture wars to divide us.
00:56:38.260 Another reason why I hate the culture wars.
00:56:40.360 I think our greatest strength is when we are the United States of America.
00:56:45.660 Well, I got bad news, Cenk, by the way, on the point about intolerance.
00:56:49.200 I do definitely speak for the vast majority of conservatives.
00:56:53.000 Almost all of them would absolutely agree with everything I said about intolerance.
00:56:59.140 Now, you know, first of all, you have to kind of admire the gall of a guy whose show is named the Young Turks telling us that tolerance is a virtue.
00:57:07.200 You know, the Young Turks and the late Ottoman Empire were not exactly known for their tolerance, to put it mildly.
00:57:13.960 I'm sure that show is ironically named, so we'll give them a pass on that.
00:57:17.400 But secondly, if the word tolerance has any meaning at all, then by definition, there has to be intolerance as well.
00:57:23.440 There must be some things that we simply do not tolerate.
00:57:25.860 If anyone can be tolerant of anything, you know, there have to be things that we don't tolerate.
00:57:31.460 So the question is not whether intolerance should exist.
00:57:34.360 It has to exist.
00:57:36.240 We can't live in some fantasy world where no one needs to be intolerant of anything, as Cenk implies.
00:57:40.820 If we did that, then the idea of tolerance would be meaningless.
00:57:44.720 Now, here's, and tolerance is kind of meaningless, actually.
00:57:48.900 So here's the point, here's the point about tolerance.
00:57:53.040 I say intolerance is a virtue, because it is.
00:57:59.200 Tolerance, on the other hand, is not a virtue.
00:58:02.680 That doesn't mean I'm opposed to tolerance in all contexts.
00:58:06.660 It means that it's not a virtue.
00:58:09.200 And I'll explain why, even though this is the kind of thing that shouldn't need to be explained.
00:58:13.620 Are there things that we should tolerate?
00:58:17.040 Yes, obviously.
00:58:17.660 There's lots of things we should tolerate.
00:58:20.700 I tolerate stuff every day.
00:58:23.180 I'm a pretty intolerant guy.
00:58:24.420 And I tolerate every person I walk by on the street.
00:58:28.460 I'm constantly tolerating.
00:58:30.720 But there is nothing virtuous or noble about it.
00:58:34.840 Okay, tolerance is not a virtue.
00:58:38.180 It's not something that we need to encourage.
00:58:42.020 We don't need to laud people who demonstrate tolerance.
00:58:45.760 It takes no courage or even any effort to tolerate things.
00:58:49.720 Tolerating a tolerable thing makes sense.
00:58:53.760 It's logical.
00:58:55.460 It's not a heroic act.
00:58:57.600 It's not an act at all.
00:58:59.160 You can tolerate while doing nothing.
00:59:01.280 You can tolerate while sitting on your couch.
00:59:03.840 You can lounge in your living room eating Doritos while congratulating yourself for all the tolerating you're doing.
00:59:08.940 Hey, everyone, look at me.
00:59:10.220 I'm being tolerant.
00:59:11.460 You can declare as the crumbs fall on your shirt.
00:59:15.200 That's why I never said, as has been claimed by my critics, that tolerance is bad or has no place in society or whatever.
00:59:21.980 Tolerance is the default state of all people.
00:59:25.960 Tolerance is the lowest effort thing you can do because you aren't doing anything.
00:59:29.180 Which, again, when you're tolerating tolerable things, fine.
00:59:36.600 I'm not saying you shouldn't.
00:59:38.800 I'm just saying, like, I'm not going to give you credit for that.
00:59:41.760 I'm being tolerant.
00:59:42.920 Okay, good for you.
00:59:44.800 What, so you're doing nothing?
00:59:46.140 You're just doing nothing and allowing someone to do something.
00:59:50.020 Cool.
00:59:50.820 Good for you.
00:59:51.540 It's not the kind of thing we need to, like, we don't need pastors up on the pulpit preaching, well, this is why we should be tolerant.
01:00:01.520 Which pastors do preach about that all the time.
01:00:04.400 And a lot of people love to hear it because it requires nothing of you.
01:00:07.960 That's the great thing about tolerance as a virtue.
01:00:10.360 I don't have to do anything.
01:00:11.740 It requires absolutely nothing.
01:00:15.500 Which is why it's not a virtue.
01:00:16.740 Intolerance is a virtue, though, because it is active.
01:00:22.560 It is a thing you do.
01:00:24.600 All virtues are things you do.
01:00:26.540 If a virtue requires you to do nothing, it is not a virtue.
01:00:30.440 If you're saying to yourself, wow, I really like this virtue because I don't have to do anything.
01:00:34.180 This is a really easy virtue to have.
01:00:36.280 Well, hate to break it to you, that means it's not a virtue.
01:00:40.920 Intolerance requires you to get up and do something or speak out or at least stop chomping on the Doritos for a second.
01:00:46.740 Intolerance is noble and brave, provided, of course, that it's directed at something actually bad.
01:00:54.500 Yeah, that's the one qualifier.
01:00:56.400 Intolerance is only virtuous if it's directed at evil.
01:00:59.420 Obviously, being intolerant to good things is not virtuous.
01:01:04.600 I would think that such a stipulation is so obvious that it doesn't need to be said out loud.
01:01:09.380 Intolerance to, you know, something benign, right, makes you a jerk.
01:01:14.240 Or if you've got a whole bunch of pet peeves.
01:01:18.000 That's why we say pet peeves.
01:01:19.120 Well, that's the reason we call it your pet peeve.
01:01:21.260 It's just something that annoys you but isn't really bad necessarily.
01:01:25.240 But that's why it's a pet peeve.
01:01:26.440 It's a pet.
01:01:27.160 It's yours.
01:01:28.560 And so being intolerant of people who are doing something that's a pet peeve of yours, that makes you a jerk.
01:01:35.600 Right?
01:01:35.720 Intolerance to something good and virtuous makes you a leftist.
01:01:42.180 But intolerance to what is truly evil and wrong makes you a good person.
01:01:48.360 It is a loving and good act.
01:01:51.420 And we have not had nearly enough intolerance in our society.
01:01:55.560 And that fact, the fact that it ever became mainstream to brainwash children into thinking they're the opposite sex and then castrate them.
01:02:05.240 That's all the evidence we need.
01:02:06.660 That we are sorely lacking intolerance in our culture.
01:02:10.320 Far too many people were far too tolerant of that evil and so many other evils for far too long.
01:02:16.860 There were only a very few people who were willing to stand up and say,
01:02:19.560 No, you know what?
01:02:20.640 I'm not going to tolerate this.
01:02:23.320 I don't tolerate it.
01:02:25.520 And they were condemned by a lot of the tolerant types, even on the right.
01:02:28.880 And I know this for a fact.
01:02:29.940 I was there.
01:02:31.460 And that's why I said, after watching the New York mayor's debate, in which the Muslim socialist attacked his challenger because he couldn't name a mosque that he had visited.
01:02:40.520 It's clear that this country needs to embrace intolerance far more broadly than we currently are.
01:02:45.900 Because we also should not tolerate hordes of foreign nationals who invade our country and then demand that we respect their beliefs and customs,
01:02:52.980 including foreign nationals from the Muslim world who want to destroy Western civilization, demanding that we assimilate to them rather than they assimilate to us.
01:03:02.000 We should not tolerate socialists who want to destroy our economy and dismantle the police department and close the prisons and raise taxes by tens of billions of dollars
01:03:10.820 so that degenerate hobos and felons can supposedly, you know, have free bus rides or whatever.
01:03:17.480 We shouldn't tolerate men who dress up as women in the service of a delusion, especially when they are trying to impose it on children.
01:03:23.100 Everything I'm saying here, all the statements that I'm actually making, the ones I've said on the show and on social media,
01:03:30.960 would have been completely uncontroversial in this country as recently as a few decades ago.
01:03:35.760 And they should not be controversial today.
01:03:38.840 We should react to Jimmy Kimmel's drag queen sketch the same way that even a Bill Clinton voter would have reacted in 1992,
01:03:45.340 with the maximum possible degree of intolerance.
01:03:48.740 And we should be intolerant, proudly intolerant, of anyone who stomps his feet and claims otherwise.
01:03:55.100 And that is why everyone demanding that conservatives display tolerance for depraved and degenerate behavior are today canceled.
01:04:03.380 That'll do it for the show today. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Talk to you tomorrow. Have a great day. Godspeed.
01:04:13.580 Today on the Ben Shapiro Show, Democrats struggle for answers as the Trump administration continues to roll.
01:04:18.840 Republicans contend with a rising extremism problem.
01:04:21.580 And an appellate court says Trump can deploy the National Guard in Portland.
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