The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1681 - The EBT Program Is A Massive Scam, And The Government Shutdown Just Proved It

00:00:00.000 Today, Matt, we'll show 40 million people might lose their food stamps, which brings up an

00:00:03.840 important question. How the hell are there 40 million people on food stamps in this country?

00:00:08.460 And what would happen if the food stamps go away? Would anyone actually starve to death

00:00:12.620 because of that? We'll discuss. Also, Zoran Smollett changes his story about his alleged

00:00:16.500 aunt who stopped wearing her hijab on the subway. Do you remember the story of Ethan Liming? He was

00:00:21.560 the white teenager who was beaten to death in a school parking lot two years ago. One of his

00:00:25.660 attackers is already out of jail and is already killed again. We'll talk about all that and more

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00:02:24.720 exprssvpn.com slash Walsh. Ever since the government shutdown began a month ago, it's been

00:02:30.720 a challenge to identify anybody in real life outside of government employees who has noticed

00:02:36.480 or cared in any meaningful way. Even Democrats don't seem particularly bothered by the shutdown.

00:02:42.380 They've been spending most of their time lately complaining about renovations that are underway

00:02:46.160 in the East Wing of the White House, which is the kind of thing you complain about when you

00:02:49.360 desperately need to find something to complain about, but you have no other options whatsoever

00:02:54.360 available to you. Even if you normally don't care much about how the government spends your

00:02:59.280 money, this is the kind of development that might make you sit up and take notice. There

00:03:04.560 are road closures and potholes that have probably caused you more inconvenience, a lot more, this

00:03:10.740 month than the shutdown of the entire federal government. As a result, for millions of Americans,

00:03:15.440 it's now impossible to ignore the fact that the government, which you're forced to pay

00:03:19.320 for, all the salaries, all the pensions, and so on, doesn't actually do very much. In the

00:03:25.360 vast majority of cases, the federal government has zero impact on your day-to-day life or your

00:03:31.140 week-to-week life. They are not public servants in the sense that they serve you. In reality,

00:03:36.440 you serve them. You pay them to do nothing. Of course, that's not to say that your money

00:03:41.720 only goes to federal government bureaucrats. Most of it, of course, actually goes to welfare

00:03:46.460 programs. And it's the people who receive money from those welfare programs, particularly food

00:03:51.380 stamps, otherwise known as SNAP benefits, who are now speaking up extremely loudly to complain about

00:03:57.880 the federal government shutdown. So there is one group of people that, aside from federal

00:04:02.740 bureaucrats who care that the government shut down, and that would be EBT, people who use EBT.

00:04:07.340 Yes, this is a large group of people who are legitimately upset about the fact that

00:04:11.960 the government is no longer fully operational. So the search is over. We have found people who

00:04:18.160 care about it. And these people are upset because in a matter of days, federal funding for food stamps

00:04:23.840 is going to run out. Watch.

00:04:28.080 Trump administration says it will not use emergency funds to pay for federal food benefits

00:04:33.400 with a fast approaching deadline. CBS's Christina Phan is in New York with details on that. Christina.

00:04:41.700 Well, Jericho, one in eight Americans rely on SNAP benefits. And tonight,

00:04:46.500 there is mounting worry for them. They might not be able to afford food

00:04:50.460 with money running out one week from today.

00:04:53.860 Democratic Governor Maura Healey holds President Trump responsible.

00:04:57.660 You know, leadership is a choice. And sadly, President Trump has chosen to take away food

00:05:04.600 from people all around this country.

00:05:08.460 Now, you notice the flagrant inversion of reality here. If you stop subsidizing someone else's grocery

00:05:15.260 bill, even for a second, then according to the governor of Massachusetts, you're taking away

00:05:20.040 their food. It's like you robbed them. Now, of course, you know, the actual robbery occurs when you are

00:05:26.760 forced against your will to pay for other people's groceries every month. That is the point where

00:05:33.480 the government is taking something away. But the really striking aspect of that CBS report was the

00:05:39.700 beginning of the segment when they casually mentioned that one in eight Americans are on

00:05:45.500 food stamps. That's roughly 45 million people who are receiving taxpayer money to buy groceries costing

00:05:52.560 more than $100 billion a year in a country of 340 million people. Now, in a moment, we'll get into

00:05:59.200 who exactly is receiving this money and what they're threatening to do in the next few days. And that's

00:06:05.240 important information, particularly if you plan on going to a grocery store in the next, you know,

00:06:09.060 few weeks without a firearm. But first, you have to ask yourself,

00:06:14.020 did you have any idea that 45 million people of the 340 million people in this country, again,

00:06:23.440 one in eight, were receiving taxpayer-funded financial assistance to buy groceries? Did you

00:06:28.760 know that? If you pay really close attention to the news, you probably did. But the average person

00:06:34.320 probably didn't know that. 45 million people are not buying their own groceries in this country.

00:06:41.160 We're supposed to believe that 45 million people cannot feed themselves in this country.

00:06:51.160 That's like, I mean, that's more than the entire population of California. That's more than the

00:06:57.960 entire population of Texas plus Kentucky and Oklahoma, okay? Entire states full of people. It's that

00:07:06.000 equivalent. Who can't feed themselves. Now, the sheer scale, allegedly can't feed themselves. Now,

00:07:12.020 the sheer scale of this program guarantees that if we eliminated the food stamp program entirely,

00:07:17.820 then prices at the grocery store would plummet. And this is a point that I rarely hear anybody make.

00:07:25.480 Almost never. But it's really important. Like, this is by far the number one everyday issue that

00:07:31.460 most Americans care about, which is the rising price of groceries, and for good reason.

00:07:35.880 And it actually is a very obvious solution. When the government spends a massive amount of money

00:07:39.760 subsidizing the purchase of a particular product in any context, the price of that product will go up.

00:07:45.980 It was true for college tuition, and it's true for groceries. The subsidy creates increased demand,

00:07:52.020 but it does not increase the supply, and therefore the cost goes up under the basic principle of supply and

00:07:58.700 demand. And yes, by the way, it is more demand, because you might say, well, there'd be demand for food

00:08:04.220 anyway. It's greater demand, because now you have people who are not spending, it's not their money.

00:08:10.040 They're going in there with other people's money, and they're spending like it. In fact, the average food

00:08:17.040 stamp recipient spends more on groceries than the average person who's not on food stamps, because it's not their

00:08:22.260 money. So they go in there and buy way more than they need. And they buy all kinds of, all types of,

00:08:28.680 types of food that they don't need at all, and shouldn't be buying. It inflates the cost for

00:08:34.680 everyone. Take a look at this data from the Department of Agriculture. You can see their

00:08:38.680 monthly food stamp spending was just $4.5 billion in December of 2019. By December 2022, thanks to a

00:08:46.680 massive expansion by the Biden administration, food stamp spending was $11 billion per month.

00:08:51.900 That's a lot of new artificially subsidized demand. And guess what? In that same period,

00:08:57.120 grocery prices went up. By some estimates, food prices go up by 1% for every 12% increase

00:09:04.000 in food stamp spending. In this case, we're looking at a percentage increase of nearly 150%.

00:09:09.800 So you could do the math on that. It's more than a 10% increase in your grocery bill every single

00:09:15.340 month. And what this means is that if you're a working American, and you're not on food stamps,

00:09:21.020 meaning you are a functional citizen who is taking care of yourself and your own family,

00:09:26.160 you are a functional contributing citizen. What that means is you are actually paying against your

00:09:31.840 will for other people's groceries twice. You're paying when the government takes the money out of

00:09:38.600 your paycheck. And then you're paying again every time you buy groceries for yourself.

00:09:43.940 So who exactly is benefiting from food stamps? And how much of the spending is actually necessary?

00:09:52.000 So put another way, how many people would starve to death out on the street if food stamps were

00:10:00.000 abolished? We all know that number is much, much less than the total number of food stamp

00:10:07.120 recipients in this country. Does anyone think that 45 million people would starve if they didn't have

00:10:14.820 an EBT card? Tens of millions of people across the country just dropping dead from starvation. Does

00:10:21.900 anyone think that? So what, what is the, uh, the, the number of people who actually need,

00:10:29.820 actually need it, like would starve without it? 1%? 0? 5%? I mean, what's the number? 10?

00:10:42.460 Now, if food stamps were abolished tomorrow, how many people exactly would, would be like lying on the

00:10:49.340 sidewalk, rib cages, protruding, starving to death of the 40 million people on food stamps,

00:10:53.920 how many actually depend on it to live? Like that, that is the question.

00:10:59.820 And these are questions we should probably answer now that we know the enormous cost of these

00:11:04.020 programs, thanks to the government shutdown. And while we're at it, we should answer this question.

00:11:09.680 Has anyone ever starved to death in the modern history of this country because they haven't had

00:11:13.240 access to food? I mean, has that actually happened in this country? Has a single sane adult, okay,

00:11:23.840 now we're not talking about kids who are victims of horrific abuse and those kinds of awful cases,

00:11:30.580 in which case like food stamps are not solving that. Has any sane adult through no fault of his own

00:11:38.960 shriveled and died because he couldn't afford to buy anything to eat? Has there been a single example

00:11:44.440 of someone in modern America, in modern America, someone who has no family, no friends,

00:11:50.980 no other forms of state or federal welfare he can tap into, no food banks, no churches he can visit,

00:11:58.520 no job, no soup kitchens nearby, no charity food drives in his area, nothing at all.

00:12:07.260 So the point is that there's a, there are a bunch of lines of defense. Like when it, when, when we deal

00:12:12.280 with the question of, well, who should be feeding you, right? There's, there are, there are a lot of

00:12:17.940 answers that come up in the first person, ideally who feeds you should be you. You should be feeding

00:12:22.240 yourself. If you're an adult who should feed your children, it should be you. Like that's the,

00:12:26.100 that's the, that's the first, that's where we should go. It should be number one, you. And if you really

00:12:32.020 can't, I mean, there are things that happen where someone really, really can't through no fault of

00:12:36.180 their own. They can, they're not able to feed themselves. That can happen. I'm not denying that.

00:12:40.200 But then there are so many other, in, in modern America, there are so many other lines of defense.

00:12:47.900 If you, even if you take EBT out of it, there are so many other lines of defense

00:12:52.180 that should mean that you're not going to starve.

00:12:57.620 You should have your family. You should have friends. Even if you don't have them,

00:13:01.680 you have a local community, you have soup kitchens, you have charities, you have churches,

00:13:04.760 you have all of these things. You have food drives, all of these things.

00:13:08.460 You have other forms of welfare programs that also exist.

00:13:14.880 So for how many people, I guess this is the question.

00:13:19.580 How many people are in a situation where all of those lines of defense have failed every single

00:13:25.040 one and Oh, the only possible thing left that can feed them is EBT.

00:13:33.220 You know, now if something like that, if there were someone in that situation or something like

00:13:37.000 that would ever happen in the United States, then I'd be the first in line to say, yes,

00:13:40.860 get that person a taxpayer funded hot dog. I don't want to see anyone starve. Nobody does.

00:13:48.620 But I don't think that's, that's actually happening in modern America.

00:13:52.940 And nobody has demonstrated otherwise.

00:13:54.720 Like no one has presented us with the person and said, okay, here's someone who there's an actual

00:14:00.340 human who's alive today in America. And for this person legitimately, if they don't have food stamps,

00:14:05.960 they will starve. It's the only thing. It's the only way they can get their hands on food.

00:14:10.980 No one has shown that example.

00:14:12.280 And in fact, if you look at what food stamp recipients are saying in their own words,

00:14:19.160 you come away with the distinct impression that like almost none of these people actually need

00:14:24.760 the food stamps. Instead, you come away with the impression that many of these people are

00:14:30.300 simply entitled, lazy, barely literate. And like some of them are just frankly bad people.

00:14:36.600 And of course that doesn't describe every adult on food stamps. No one is saying that.

00:14:41.500 But it does seem to describe a large portion of them. And that is a moral outrage that we as

00:14:48.920 taxpaying Americans who are funding this, we have every right to be upset about that.

00:14:52.520 When people, when, when people are stealing our money who don't even need it and just wasting it

00:14:58.720 in this profligate way, don't let anyone morally blackmail you into thinking that you're not

00:15:04.940 allowed to be upset about that. Of course you can be upset about that. And of course you can demand

00:15:09.040 answers. You're taking my money. I want to know who exactly needs it and for what, and how are you

00:15:14.380 spending it? That is a legitimate question. Of course it is. And what you end up with is for a lot

00:15:20.900 of people who rather than get a job would prefer to rob grocery stores and the people shopping inside

00:15:25.760 them. So, so here's just, just on that point, here's a sampling of the response responses from food

00:15:32.280 stamp recipients on TikTok to, you know, all this stuff about the shutdown and losing the benefits.

00:15:37.440 Watch.

00:15:38.720 All I know is if they stop my food stamps, me and my man will be at the grocery store walking out with

00:15:45.340 two bag, two big ass carts. And ain't bet nobody better do nothing. Cause my man coming hard behind 0.98

00:15:50.440 me and it only take him one time to punch your ass. You know what? Since you want to take food stamps 1.00

00:15:55.220 away, I'm going to Walmart. I'm going to rank up any damn thing I want right in the basket. 0.83

00:16:00.900 I'm going to write about the move. Get the way. I'm not paying for a damn thing. Y'all got me 0.75

00:16:05.480 up. I ain't getting a food stamp on EBT. Oh, watch this. I'm going to tell y'all straight up like

00:16:10.660 this. I just got that text that the link is definitely cut the off for November. Um, y'all

00:16:17.600 better stay out of my way in these stores. I'm walking out with cars and I'm not paying for

00:16:21.060 sh**. Um, Trump, if you won't, um, start moving. Oh, what's going to happen? Before my kids go 0.94

00:16:27.860 broken as a jock, I'm going to be stealing like it ain't no tomorrow. I say if they don't give

00:16:34.900 food stamps next month, we all just say and rob the grocery store and tell them make me agree.

00:16:40.660 I just wanted to come real fast just to make this video, just to make something very, very

00:16:44.820 clear to the white man. Black Americans do not care about your government shutdown and 0.97

00:16:50.680 black Americans do not care about you taking away our EBT and our government assistance 0.99

00:16:56.020 because black Americans never depended on the American government to take care of us and feed 0.80

00:17:02.840 us because we never could. We were never able to depend on the government in spite of what

00:17:09.060 you may say and what you may try to force us to believe. So you can sit back and you

00:17:14.460 can mock, you can laugh, and you can think that you're about to starve us to death. But

00:17:20.380 I'm here to let you know that we are going to eat regardless, even if we have to hunt you 0.97

00:17:26.380 animals down and roast and eat you. The delectable crackers and cheese. We will make it happen

00:17:35.800 if we have to trust and believe me. People are really going to be stealing people carts of

00:17:40.860 groceries out of the grocery parking lot. I'm telling you, it seemed like it's headed that

00:17:48.040 way. Now, what other choices are people going to have to find food to eat? Because people

00:17:59.380 are about to be out here struggling. They're about to be out here bad, bad. So do you really

00:18:05.180 think they're going to look at you with all these groceries, packing it in your car, you

00:18:09.940 know, about to go home and feed your family from the, you know, hard earned money that you

00:18:15.240 made from working your job that afforded you the affordability to buy those groceries? They

00:18:21.140 ain't going to give a f***. They ain't going to care. They going to snatch them bags up out 1.00

00:18:27.180 your hand and be like, I wish you would. Now, among other things, if you're going to shop

00:18:32.280 for groceries during this government shutdown, you have to keep these videos in mind. There

00:18:36.060 are many, many threats like it. People, uh, many people receiving food stamps who would

00:18:40.780 rather rob you and, uh, even kill you and eat you apparently than have to pay for their

00:18:46.880 own groceries for once in their lives. They would rather rob and kill than just like get 1.00

00:18:53.440 a damn job. Um, and I'll highlight a couple more of these clips mainly because they're 0.99

00:19:00.360 so over the top that it's hard to believe they're real, but, but they are. Watch.

00:19:04.740 Let my f*** come on the 15th and I'm going to show them why I went to jail twice. I don't 0.98

00:19:10.200 give a f***. I'm not, I'm not in the mood. My birthday is in December. Thanksgiving coming 0.97

00:19:15.600 up. I don't, I don't. See that what I'm saying? Cause my mama already had used my one 0.82

00:19:21.120 feet to do money. That's why I should never. Now, as best I could decipher this individual

00:19:26.560 who doesn't appear to speak English is, is threatening to go to prison for the third

00:19:33.080 time. If her or maybe his, I can't tell food stamps, uh, don't come through in November

00:19:40.220 and for good measure, you can hear a smoke alarm chirp mid rant. Um, so in case you missed

00:19:45.660 it, it went like this. I don't give a f***. I'm not in the mood. My birthday in December. 0.99

00:19:51.660 And then there's the chirp. And then there's the statement that quote, Thanksgiving coming

00:19:55.720 up. Thanksgiving is a Thanksgiving is my, it's my favorite holiday. I gotta say the

00:20:03.960 Thanksgiving's. So you are, um, actively suffering. Money is being taken out of your paycheck and

00:20:14.160 food is being taken off of your children's plate for the sake of that. Remember that for

00:20:24.400 the sake of that person, your life is being actively harmed every day. You're being forced

00:20:33.480 to make real sacrifices in your life every day. And your family's being forced to, and

00:20:37.760 your children for that. Now, um, one question right off the bat is, is why someone who's been

00:20:46.260 to prison is allowed to receive food stamps in the first place? I mean, why is this something

00:20:51.900 we're tolerating? You could commit multiple crimes resulting in your incarceration. And

00:20:57.720 then when you get out, you can force taxpayers to buy your groceries. You can not only be a

00:21:05.660 total nothing of a person who contributes absolutely nothing to society, but you can actually actively

00:21:10.580 work to harm society every day of your life. And yet still we're forced to feed you. And yet

00:21:19.720 still you are going to eat better than many of the people who are being forced to subsidize

00:21:25.880 your grocery bill. That seems like one privilege that we could rescind immediately. There's like

00:21:32.520 basic things we could do. And while we're at it, we should implement drug testing as a requirement

00:21:37.560 for SNAP benefits as this video makes clear. Watch. No food stamps equals no to less weed money. Like

00:21:46.100 y'all about to have people out here hangry and sober. That's a diabolical combination because the

00:21:53.000 food money got to come out of some budget. And that's the first one it usually comes from.

00:21:56.920 Can you imagine the horror of having to tap into your weed budget to buy food for yourself? I mean,

00:22:01.280 it's unthinkable, really. No one should have to endure humiliation like that. Surely we

00:22:05.000 should just steal the money from people who are actually working for a living.

00:22:10.160 You can look at the saddest of sob stories and it doesn't get any better. Here's a report that

00:22:14.820 aired on a local Fox affiliate this week. For example, watch.

00:22:19.600 Federal workers waiting in long lines at this food bank in Southern Maryland.

00:22:24.060 I would have never in a million years that I would have been in this position to have to go to a food

00:22:30.420 bank. Denise Blake says she drove over an hour to get here. When she finally arrived,

00:22:36.700 they'd run out of food. We have a cart ready for you up front. Fortunately, she did not leave

00:22:41.640 empty handed, but she still faces the harsh reality of not knowing how she's going to feed her family

00:22:47.460 while she's not getting paid during the government shutdown. I don't want my daughter to see me

00:22:51.820 crying. Blake's story is like so many.

00:22:54.780 So we're supposed to feel sorry for Denise, a federal worker at the Department of Defense. 0.59

00:23:02.620 She had to go to a food bank and barely got any food all because of the government shutdown. Now,

00:23:08.360 if you look up Denise online, you find that she's drawn a taxpayer funded salary since 2015. Her lowest

00:23:12.980 salary was more than $60,000 a year. Last year, Denise made more than $87,000 a year. That's a decade's 1.00

00:23:20.060 worth of income. And each year she earned well above the median personal income in this country.

00:23:25.340 She presumably has access to a credit card given this income. And to put this into further perspective

00:23:30.380 here, when I first got married, my salary was a quarter of what Denise earns. I earned in a year 0.99

00:23:37.340 what Denise makes in about four months. And I was never even close to starving and I wasn't on food

00:23:43.100 stamps. So there's no conceivable way that Denise is going to starve to death either. I mean, even if 0.99

00:23:49.520 she's been financially reckless to the point of comic book level absurdity, you know, we don't need 1.00

00:23:56.560 food stamps. She can put it on credit or tap into her savings account, which she should have been

00:24:02.100 growing for many years. You know, you got a stable government job. And, you know, in these government

00:24:10.160 jobs, by the way, the hours are not difficult at all. And to be clear, I'm not saying that she's going

00:24:17.060 to live a life of luxury. I'm not saying this won't be stressful. Not even faulting her for trying

00:24:22.440 to find free food. But I'm saying that taxpayers have no obligation in any universe to buy her 1.00

00:24:29.940 groceries. We've been paying her bills for a decade. And frankly, if we're being honest, she probably

00:24:36.800 wasn't doing much with those 10 years anyway at her job, because most of these federal employees

00:24:41.080 aren't. But Denise, for all that I've criticized her, is 10,000 times more sympathetic than other

00:24:48.620 alleged victims of this government shutdown. For example, this is a real video that was posted by

00:24:55.440 Senator Amy Klobuchar after a recent testimony in Congress. And here's the caption that the senator

00:25:02.260 posted, quote, today we heard from Felicia, a single mom of four who works up to three jobs at a time to 0.99

00:25:08.540 make ends meet. She counts on SNAP to help put food on the table. This is who Republicans in Congress

00:25:13.780 are trying to take food away from. Listen to her story. So here it is. This is Felicia, who drives

00:25:21.940 students for the school district. And this is the person who they have chosen to put on camera as an

00:25:32.420 example of someone who might starve without food stamps. So watch this.

00:25:38.540 As an employee of the school district, I only get paid once a month. By the time I get my bills paid,

00:25:44.700 I have nothing left to pay for food and other basic needs. If it wasn't for SNAP benefits,

00:25:51.640 I wouldn't be able to feed my children or myself. I work, pay my bills, and like every other mom,

00:25:59.780 I want to be sure that I have enough food to put on the table.

00:26:02.860 So it almost seems like intentional. It almost seems like a poke in the eye, an intentional poke in the

00:26:12.680 eye, uh, to trot this person out. And then for Senator Klobuchar to post the video, because I mean,

00:26:21.800 if you're listening to the audio podcast and you didn't see the visual, let's just say that this woman 0.98

00:26:27.060 does not appear to be starving. I mean, this woman is, and I'm not trying to be mean, but she's looks

00:26:34.760 to be well over 300 pounds, probably pushing 400. And it's the height of absurdity for a U.S.

00:26:42.360 Senator to present this woman of all people as someone who urgently needs taxpayers to fund her 0.98

00:26:47.940 grocery bill. She can, again, not try to be mean. It's just a fact. She could clearly afford major

00:26:54.160 cutbacks to her food spending. And not only that, it would clearly be beneficial to her health.

00:27:00.340 In fact, it's like the humane thing to do. When you have someone like this, who's going to die

00:27:05.520 because they're, they're overeating so much and they're eating all the wrong things to put them

00:27:10.140 in a position where they have to think before they spend money on muffins and soda and candy

00:27:15.020 and various slabs of meat and so on is actually, it's actually good for them.

00:27:20.060 And again, this is the most sympathetic witness that Democrats could find. It only gets worse from

00:27:23.900 here. Illegal aliens, okay, are some of the main recipients of food stamps, for example. Here's a

00:27:29.780 recent admission from the administration of Maine governor, Janet Mills. And in case you can't make it

00:27:36.600 out, Janet Mills acknowledges in this document that Maine provides SNAP benefits to non-citizens,

00:27:41.180 including 5,000 non-citizens with EBT cards who don't have jobs, even though they're eligible to

00:27:47.520 work. And EBT cards are very valuable online, as you may imagine, or very valuable in general,

00:27:55.020 as you may imagine. We'll put a few receipts on the screen right now. Some states print your total

00:28:00.060 EBT balance on the receipt. And as you can see, there are people with EBT balances of over $10,000 in

00:28:06.060 some cases. It's clearly an excess of what any reasonable person would need for groceries. Watch.

00:28:13.400 I can tell you personally that when I worked at the grocery store and I cashed them out,

00:28:17.340 the receipts were alarming. $13,000 on EBT food, not including the $29,000 that was on EBT cash.

00:28:30.580 It's infuriating. Yes, sir. And while they're dressed very well, very well, uh, how are you

00:28:42.800 able to dress like that? Coming over here as running for help that we're supposedly helping

00:28:48.700 them? How are you dressed like that when we, the American people are scrapping for the next set

00:28:54.500 of work boots? That's a problem. That's a serious problem.

00:29:01.960 It is indeed a serious problem. And it gets worse when you realize how many illegal aliens are taking 1.00

00:29:07.120 advantage of the system. It's not just 5,000 people in Maine. This is from the Economic Policy

00:29:11.220 Innovation Center. Quote, the food stamp program provided benefits to 1.4 million non-citizens in

00:29:15.740 fiscal year 2022. The latest data available in the U.S. Department of Agriculture, another 2.2 million

00:29:20.320 children living with non-citizens were also on food stamps. California led the way in enrolling

00:29:25.140 non-citizens on food stamps with 273,000 in fiscal year 2022. So there's a clear incentive here for

00:29:32.940 illegal aliens to have children, not simply so that those children can be citizens, but also so that

00:29:36.900 they can collect food stamps. That may be part of the reason why, according to the Center for

00:29:41.080 Immigration Studies, quote, compared to households headed by the U.S. born, U.S. born immigrant-headed

00:29:45.540 households have especially high use of food programs, 36 percent versus 25 percent for the

00:29:51.520 U.S. born. Additionally, quote, food stamp used by Afghan households increased the most from 19 percent

00:29:57.500 to 35 percent between 2010 and 2019, while falling from 11 percent to 10 percent for native-born

00:30:04.260 households. Yes, 35 percent of Afghan households were on food stamps. A typical family of four will receive

00:30:12.760 around $800 in monthly assistance, which is more than many American families spend of their own

00:30:18.060 money. This is not just wasteful spending. This is a direct attack on you and your family. You're

00:30:24.960 being robbed at gunpoint by the state and forced to subsidize foreigners. We are inviting people to

00:30:30.360 come to this country and live off of the labor of its citizens. Words cannot describe how evil this is.

00:30:38.480 And by the way, for anyone who still draws comparisons between, oh, the immigrants who

00:30:44.440 come here is no different from, you know, your ancestors who came here in the 1800s or the 1700s.

00:30:52.760 No, see, this is the difference. Among others, this is one of the big differences.

00:30:58.260 Right? Because, you know, historically, the people who came to this country, the pioneers,

00:31:03.060 they weren't coming here to get free food. It didn't work that way.

00:31:10.020 They had to provide for themselves and their families and their communities.

00:31:13.280 Now we have immigrants coming for free stuff that we have to pay for. We have to feed them. 1.00

00:31:19.400 I've long said that government shutdowns serve no purpose, that they inevitably get resolved with

00:31:23.660 no meaningful interruption or changes to anyone's life. This particular shutdown presents a clear

00:31:27.300 opportunity for a different result. I mean, this time around, it's extremely easy to see how much overt

00:31:31.640 waste and corruption is inherent in the SNAP system, largely because the people receiving

00:31:36.840 these benefits, you know, can't stop posting on TikTok, kind of bragging about how wasteful it is.

00:31:41.760 They're revealing inadvertently that they don't actually need the money. They're telling us that

00:31:46.240 they don't need the money in about a dozen different ways, by making threats, by highlighting

00:31:50.560 the testimony of morbidly obese women, by admitting that they're handing the cash to illegal aliens,

00:31:56.280 and so on. So let's listen to these people for once. Let's abolish the SNAP program altogether.

00:32:03.180 Let's make this government shutdown, the first shutdown in the history of this country that's

00:32:06.420 actually been productive. Nobody's going to starve as a result, but a few million people against

00:32:13.220 their will might have to learn the all-important twin concepts of budgeting and dieting. And if that

00:32:18.740 happens, which it will if SNAP is abolished, we will all be much better off as a result.

00:32:26.280 Now let's get to our five headlines.

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00:33:56.120 claimed that his aunt was the real victim of 9-11. Nobody suffered on 9-11 like Zoran Mamdani's aunt

00:34:01.560 did because she felt weird wearing a hijab on the train after 9-11. Nothing happened to her, to be

00:34:07.540 clear. She was not the victim of any kind of attack. Nobody even said anything to her, apparently.

00:34:12.580 She just felt weird wearing the scarf after 9-11. And that was a tragedy. That was a tragedy so

00:34:23.320 great that 25 years later, Zoran Mamdani couldn't even talk about it without crying. Well, there's

00:34:30.560 one problem with this story that we alluded to yesterday, and that is that, well, there's a lot

00:34:35.260 of problems. But one of them is that this aunt doesn't appear to actually exist. Bit of a minor

00:34:42.780 detail. Only minor if you're a pathological liar. So Mamdani was asked about this yesterday, and 1.00

00:34:49.420 here's what he said.

00:34:51.160 In a recent address about Islamophobia, you referenced your mom, it's a medieval class when 0.99

00:34:55.720 she was facing post 9-11. Is that a blood relative?

00:34:58.920 Yes, that's... I was speaking about my aunt. I was speaking about Zerafoui, my father's cousin,

00:35:07.700 who sadly passed away a few years ago. And for the takeaway from my more than 10-minute address

00:35:15.620 about Islamophobia in this race and in this city, to be the question of my aunt, tells you everything

00:35:21.760 about Andrew Cuomo.

00:35:25.540 Okay, so this aunt was his father's cousin, which means that his aunt is not really his aunt, but

00:35:32.640 that would be his, what, his second cousin or his first cousin once removed or whatever. Not exactly

00:35:38.700 sure. Definitely not his aunt. So he lied. And this is not a pedantic thing, by the way. This is not

00:35:44.620 like some kind of technicality. The lie actually does matter because it was a calculated lie is

00:35:50.900 what I'm saying. It was not, it was a calculated lie. Because let's pretend, I mean, the whole point

00:35:55.520 of him bringing it up was he was trying to say that Islamophobia is this terrible thing. It's a real

00:35:59.000 problem. Well, let's pretend that the story is true. Aside from him lying about the relationship,

00:36:05.080 let's pretend that everything else is true. Well, imagine how different it sounds if he had been

00:36:12.620 honest and said, Islamophobia is real. My father's cousin was nervous about wearing a hijab. 1.00

00:36:23.140 That doesn't sound nearly as compelling, does it? I mean, the original story didn't sound

00:36:27.460 compelling either. But the point is that your father's cousin, right? If you're trying to,

00:36:32.100 you know, use some sort of anecdotal argument to prove that something is a, this is, if you want

00:36:36.860 to use an anecdote to try to indicate that there's some kind of major systemic problem going on, well,

00:36:42.620 already that's a problem because an anecdote would not prove anything. But if the anecdote is your

00:36:47.240 father's cousin, then it just, it actually proves the opposite point, right? That's, you know, the

00:36:57.500 nearest, the nearest that is quote unquote Islamophobia has ever hit home for you is when your distant

00:37:03.920 relation, your father's cousin didn't want to wear a hijab, which again makes the opposite point of

00:37:11.360 the one that mom Donnie is trying to make, uh, which is why he lied. You know, it was entirely

00:37:18.700 calculated and everything this guy says is of course, uh, entirely calculated, which is why I also don't,

00:37:27.600 I know there've been some conservatives who I I've seen here and there, like on, on X have, um,

00:37:33.040 who have wanted to give mom Donnie some credit to some extent, even if they're not agreeing with

00:37:41.000 him on the issues, they want to give him credit, give him credit for having a populist economic

00:37:48.120 message and all this kind of stuff. I don't give him credit for anything. I mean, this guy, this is an

00:37:54.980 evil guy. He's a liar. He's a fraud. He's a phony. And I don't even give him credit because I keep 1.00

00:38:03.460 hearing again, even from some people on the right that, well, he's so charismatic and likable.

00:38:08.240 What? What are you talking? I mean, I'm not trying to be contrarian far, far be it for me to ever be

00:38:15.220 contrarian, but I'm really, it's really not what I'm doing here. Like I, you know, they're, if someone's

00:38:21.120 on the left and they're charismatic, I'll admit that they're charismatic because that doesn't, you

00:38:23.700 can be charismatic. It's still evil. We all know that. But in this case, I just don't, I don't see

00:38:31.080 it. What do you mean? He's what, like, what's special about this guy? Um, we know his, his, his,

00:38:38.280 he's a communist. So all of his positions are communist positions. They're not populist positions

00:38:43.500 or communist positions. But what's the part I've seen at this point, a lot of clips of this guy,

00:38:48.500 unfortunately, and we've talked about on the show and done a fair amount of research into him.

00:38:52.960 And I've just been waiting for that clip where I would see it and go, wow, this guy's got a lot

00:38:56.200 of charisma. This is a really talented politician. Instead. It's just like, it's pretty standard

00:39:00.420 boilerplate stuff for a politician. I just don't see it. I don't know what everyone's talking about.

00:39:05.960 Now, then again, they said that about Obama and I felt the same way. I hear Obama speak and I'm like,

00:39:10.820 what do you, what is everyone talking about? This guy is some sort of one of the great orators of

00:39:16.060 our generation. Really? I don't, I started, I don't see it. I don't know what you're talking

00:39:22.840 about. And I certainly don't see it with this guy. Not that it matters anyway. I mean, charismatic or

00:39:29.720 not, he's an evil guy and he's going to destroy whatever is left of New York. Speaking of liars, 0.99

00:39:35.800 by the way, this was funny. Last week I, I responded to the failed MSNBC personality, 0.71

00:39:41.000 Mehdi Hassan, who we can all agree is certainly somebody without charisma.

00:39:46.380 And he was trying to explain, it all started because he was trying to explain, he was giving

00:39:49.900 some kind of, I don't even know the kind of, he was talking to somebody who asked him a question

00:39:54.200 on camera, but he was trying to explain why the Muslim call to prayer blasting out at five in the

00:40:00.240 morning in an American town is just as legitimate as church bells in America. And then he went on to

00:40:06.740 say that he is just as American as anybody else, even though he's a Muslim Indian who came here

00:40:13.260 from the UK 10 years ago to work for Al Jazeera. Okay. He came here in his mid thirties to work in

00:40:20.440 media. Well, Mehdi didn't, so I talked about the show. We were, I responded to it and Mehdi really

00:40:28.900 didn't like my response that much. He was pretty offended by it. It's cool. It's clear that he was

00:40:33.980 especially offended when I pointed out that his show got low ratings that in particular really

00:40:40.100 got to him. So he's been tweeting at me for days now. I mean, for days he has been posting

00:40:46.700 frantically. Um, and he did a video response, which was really quite low effort and low energy.

00:40:53.500 And he's also just been tweeting multiple times a day, every day. And it finally culminated last night

00:41:00.160 in, in, in, in the inevitable, right? I mean, this is a guy who there's just nothing going on.

00:41:06.660 He's like a totally empty person. There's nothing. I think if you were to peer inside his mind,

00:41:14.540 I don't, and you know, you might argue it's probably a pretty dark place, but I think it's

00:41:19.000 dark in the sense, like there's just nothing happening, nothing happening inside his mind at

00:41:22.960 all. Just a very, very stupid, unimpressive, uh, person who's failed and everything he's tried to 1.00

00:41:29.620 do in life. So, but that also makes him predictable. So you know exactly what he's going to do. So he, 1.00

00:41:34.920 he, this is what it culminated. And he tagged Ben Shapiro in a post to try to get me fired.

00:41:41.540 And the basis for this was that I retweeted a bar graph about EBT from some random account that had a

00:41:50.280 bar graph that I thought was interesting. And so I retweeted the bar graph. And apparently,

00:41:54.640 according to Medi, this guy posted this, whoever this random account has posted something offensive

00:41:58.360 a year ago or whatever. I don't know the lamest possible pretense. So he tweeted this, Hey Ben

00:42:03.640 Shapiro, I know you're super tagging Ben. I know you're super antisemitism, uh, or super anti-antisemitism.

00:42:11.100 So just letting you know, an employee of yours, Matt Walsh is sharing graphs from a card carrying far

00:42:16.180 right Nazi sounding antisemite.

00:42:20.280 So we've reached the tattletale portion of Medi's public meltdown. We've reached the part where he's

00:42:25.680 running to the principal. I'm telling, I'm telling mom, Matt's being mean. That's, that's what we've

00:42:35.960 got to. And the funny thing is that first of all, I'm not getting fired. Uh, second, what does he think

00:42:43.380 it would accomplish if I did get fired? Would I just retire from public life? And like, it's not

00:42:51.180 going to happen, but would I retire from public life and never say another word again? Is that,

00:42:55.780 is that what he's hoping for? Is that the plan? Well, that's not how it works anymore. And this is

00:43:01.620 the problem for these people is that they only have two modes, right? Only two modes. And, and, and they,

00:43:09.020 they, uh, they have not developed a third mode. It's only two. And the first mode. So when, when you

00:43:16.500 challenge them and when you got to keep in mind, Medi Hassan is the kind of guy who's, he's, he has not,

00:43:22.180 he really has, he's not put himself in positions in life where he would be challenged. And he's

00:43:28.980 always, you know, he's at NSNBC. He was, he was at Al Jazeera. He's like stayed very firmly in these

00:43:34.420 bubbles where nobody would ever challenge him. Also, nobody's watching him. Nobody cares. No one's

00:43:39.540 listening to what he says. So he doesn't get challenged. And now for the first time, he's

00:43:44.720 getting challenged a little bit and he can't take it. So he goes back to these, the only two modes.

00:43:49.440 And the first mode is to call you a bigot, blah, blah, you're racist, whatever. Uh, tried that

00:43:57.140 surprisingly, not effective, you know, yelling the word racist at me for the 10 billionth time,

00:44:03.720 shockingly has no effect. Like you can say it is there's no reason you're, you may as well just be

00:44:10.940 shouting gibberish. Like the word doesn't mean anything to me. And, um, all that accomplished was

00:44:18.300 encouraging thousands of people to laugh at him and mock him, which they were doing.

00:44:21.900 So now he's moved on to step number two, which is the only other thing, which is, okay, that didn't

00:44:27.220 work. Let's try to get him fired. Uh, so this is the problem that the left has that they only have

00:44:32.560 these two strategies, these two moves, and both of them are totally ineffectual. Now they've been

00:44:37.040 rendered completely impotent and they don't know what to do about it. And, uh, it's pathetic to watch. 0.99

00:44:44.960 It's also kind of funny, but it's pathetic, especially in many's case. I think it's really, 0.96

00:44:50.900 really sad. This guy got fired from his job at MSNBC because his show was pulling in 37,000

00:44:56.860 viewers in the key demographic, 37,000, which is almost impossibly bad. Do you understand? I mean,

00:45:05.140 keep in mind cable news, a certain level of viewership is baked in. You automatically get,

00:45:10.060 it's like when you sign your name on the SAT or whatever, and you, you automatically get

00:45:14.780 points just for signing your name. So, uh, you know, when you, when you count for dentist

00:45:21.340 office waiting rooms and, and, uh, airport terminals, that kind of thing. So a certain

00:45:27.360 amount of it is baked in taking those out. Was any human in the entire country actually choosing

00:45:32.380 to tune in to Medi Hassan's show? It's doubtful. I mean, maybe he had some family members, maybe,

00:45:39.720 maybe mom, Donnie's dad's cousin was watching. I don't know. So very low numbers, but then he

00:45:45.640 gets fired. He tries to become a podcaster. Nobody cares. Nobody's listening. He's making

00:45:49.760 no cultural impact whatsoever. I mean, you could go up, pull a thousand people, random people,

00:45:56.880 doesn't matter. You know, pull a thousand people, ask them, who's your favorite podcaster?

00:46:00.880 Who's your favorite commentator? Who's someone who's really making an impact on you? Zero of the

00:46:05.760 1,000 would say, well, you know, Medi Hassan, that's my guy. Zero of the 1,000 would say that.

00:46:14.920 And so now he's, uh, it's gotten so bad that he's actually been like this week, he's been tweeting,

00:46:19.400 bragging about how many views he got on his rebuttal to my video, even though all of his views

00:46:23.900 are people who clicked on the video so they could leave a comment making fun of him. So all the comments

00:46:29.300 are just crapping all over him. The guy had one viral video in his life and it was the one where

00:46:35.660 he was talking about me and, uh, 98% of the views are people hate watching. And he's so happy about

00:46:41.040 it. He's so happy for the first time. He's been, he's been, he's been kind of plugging away in the

00:46:47.740 media business for, for decades really. And no one has ever cared or paid attention or watched at

00:46:54.260 all. And for the first time people are watching, and even though they're watching just so they can

00:46:59.700 leave a comment and make fun of him, it's still like, he's so kind of happy to have been noticed.

00:47:05.960 And I just, uh, I actually feel bad. Well, I would almost feel bad for him if he wasn't such an

00:47:10.600 anti-American, anti-Christian, detestable, soulless, parasitic, grifting, scumbag liar. If it weren't for 1.00

00:47:15.520 that, I would actually feel bad for him. Um, speaking of other people that are kind of

00:47:22.180 pathetic, Karen Jean pair has been on her book tour and, uh, I think it's a book tour. I think 0.97

00:47:27.820 she has a book out or something, but yesterday she appeared on MSNBC where she again made her case

00:47:33.720 for why people should pay attention to her. And her case is that she's a queer black woman 0.99

00:47:40.740 and she has a found a way. Cause I've seen a few clips now of her on this book tour.

00:47:45.520 Every single interview, she finds a way to wedge that in. And it's always in response to a question

00:47:50.660 that has nothing to do with it. It's always like, Oh, Karen, great to see you. What did you eat for

00:47:56.000 breakfast this morning? Well, you know, as a queer black woman, I, I, I ate waffles

00:48:01.360 as a, as a clear, as a queer black woman, I decided I need to order some waffles.

00:48:09.320 So she's been doing this her whole career. So I thought it'd be fun. I had my team go back and

00:48:15.240 just kind of make a montage of every time. Well, not even every time, like not close to every time,

00:48:19.340 but some of the times when Karen Jean pair has bragged about being a queer black woman.

00:48:25.280 Let's watch.

00:48:25.920 I woke up every day as a, as a black woman who is queer and as the first openly queer person to hold

00:48:35.220 the position of press secretary for the president of the United States. I see every day how important

00:48:40.780 visibility and representation are. I am a black gay immigrant woman as the first black openly queer

00:48:47.160 white house press secretary as a black woman, as a person who's also LGBTQ as a black woman who has

00:48:54.620 walked through the walls of the white house. And I meant a lot to people of because of the

00:49:00.420 communities that I represented and it, they felt seen when they saw me at the podium, whether it was

00:49:06.120 women of color, black women, queer community, LGBTQ community, they felt seen. I am a black woman.

00:49:13.140 I'm a queer woman. I'm an immigrant. I'm black. I'm a black woman. I'm queer. I'm an immigrant and

00:49:19.420 I'm Haitian American.

00:49:23.040 You know, I could be wrong. And listen, I'm not, I'm no Karen Jean pair biographer by any means,

00:49:31.860 but it seems like maybe she's a queer black woman. I'm, I'm picking up on subtle hints. I subtly, 0.97

00:49:39.380 she, she just, she drops these little hints every once in a while, these little, little breadcrumbs.

00:49:44.340 She drops these little breadcrumbs, these little queer breadcrumbs. And you, you follow the breadcrumbs 1.00

00:49:50.760 through the forest. Very careful. You need, you need like a magnifying glass to follow the breadcrumbs

00:49:57.080 through the forest. And then you get to the, Oh, it's a queer black woman. It leads all the way to a 1.00

00:50:00.960 queer black woman in the forest. Um, it's imperceptible. I mean, it really is. It's very faint. It's very 1.00

00:50:08.600 imperceptible. So I think now, look, I've been doing this for a long time in the, in the media

00:50:13.860 business. So I, I get this, a media savvy you need would to look at that clip and read between the

00:50:20.140 lines. And you can kind of tell that what she's wants to highlight is that she's a queer black woman.

00:50:28.620 So I know you need me, you need me to interpret that for you. So I just want to let you know.

00:50:31.860 Um, anyway, speaking of, uh, you know, things that don't work anymore. I mean, this, this,

00:50:42.220 you know, she's, she's Karen Jean pair was living her best life in the year 2020 in the year of Floyd.

00:50:54.780 Right. There was about, there was about, there was about six and a half minutes of, of time

00:50:59.620 when just saying that may have been enough in, in some audiences to like win, win an argument

00:51:08.820 and she is clinging onto it. Uh, and the whole culture has moved way beyond this, right? No one

00:51:19.860 should have ever cared. Like being able to say, I'm a queer black woman that should not have ever

00:51:24.260 won an argument. I mean, never actually did win an argument, but it, it should never have,

00:51:28.300 you know, it should not have, there should not have been any social credit that you, that you

00:51:32.700 gained from saying that. Um, but you did for a time and now everyone's moved on. And so everyone

00:51:40.460 hears that and says the same thing, which is okay. And queer black woman, queer black woman, 1.00

00:51:52.360 the Karen Jean pair story, that should be, that should be her. The only, you know, the only

00:51:55.900 surprising thing is that that is not the title of her, of her book. I don't think it is. Maybe it

00:52:01.960 is. What is the, what's her, what's her book called? Does she put that in the title?

00:52:09.660 No, she doesn't. Okay. A look inside a broken white house is the name of the book. Independent,

00:52:16.180 a look inside a broken white. I never even looked up the books. That's a look inside a broken

00:52:20.180 white house. Like the white house that she was a part of, that she was helping to run. 0.72

00:52:26.960 So I'm, I'm shocked that the title of the book is not

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00:54:06.860 Today marks one year since Am I Racist premiered on Daily Wire Plus. One year later,

00:54:11.860 remains the number one documentary of the decade and the most watched release in Daily Wire history.

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00:54:48.700 You do a show like this long enough, inevitably there are stories that end up resurfacing over

00:54:54.020 the years. And yeah, occasionally there's a reason to revisit some of my old monologues,

00:54:59.800 if you can believe it. And when this happens, it's never a good thing. In fact, it's usually

00:55:04.720 because some horrible disaster has occurred. And we spent several shows talking about the imminent

00:55:08.920 risk of a midair collision at low altitude, for example. And then after that military helicopter

00:55:14.160 crashed into an American Airlines jet, all of a sudden, those old shows became relevant again.

00:55:18.960 And today is yet another one of these moments. And we have to revisit an old episode because a

00:55:23.620 horrible tragedy, one that was extremely painfully preventable, has occurred. So I'm going to play a

00:55:29.360 short excerpt from my opening monologue back in September of 2023. Here's the background. I was

00:55:34.280 talking about the killing of a 17-year-old white high school student in Akron, Ohio, named Ethan

00:55:39.860 Lyman. In the summer of 2022, Lyman and his friends decided to harass random people with a toy gun

00:55:46.480 that shot water pellets. In particular, Lyman and his friends shot water pellets at three black men

00:55:52.220 between the ages of 19 and 21 who were playing basketball, including a man named Deshaun Stafford.

00:55:57.220 Initially, the three men thought they were under attack, started to run away. But eventually,

00:56:03.100 the three men, apparently realizing that there was no actual imminent threat to them,

00:56:09.260 ran back towards Lyman. And once they caught up to him, Deshaun Stafford brutally beat and stomped

00:56:15.460 Ethan Lyman to death. This was not a case of self-defense. At this point, they were well past the

00:56:21.720 point where they knew this was not a real gun. It was water. And they're stomping on him. And it's a

00:56:27.380 pretty good indication if you're stomping on someone on the ground, that means it's not self-defense,

00:56:32.180 because that means they're on the ground. Lyman was found with blood coming out of his ears and

00:56:37.940 nose. There was a shoe print on his chest. And on top of that, Stafford and his friends stole

00:56:42.620 Lyman's car and fled the scene after Lyman was dead. Now, prosecutors initially brought murder

00:56:47.440 charges, but they later decided to reduce the charges to involuntary manslaughter and assault

00:56:51.120 after one of the prosecutors said that Lyman had died in a case of, quote, hood justice,

00:56:56.420 meaning Ethan Lyman had it coming. So notice what's happening here. Three black men brutally

00:57:02.460 executed a white 17-year-old, not because of self-defense, but just because they were mad at 0.98

00:57:08.300 him. They were just mad. They wanted to make a point. And there were obvious reasons to suspect

00:57:14.160 that the race of the victim contributed to the brutality of the killing. But instead of talking

00:57:19.220 about that, prosecutors used race to absolve the killers of responsibility. Oh, they were

00:57:24.340 just dispensing hood justice. Clear implication is that the white kid had it coming, because this

00:57:30.600 is how justice works in black neighborhoods like this, apparently. Then at trial, the jury,

00:57:35.940 again presumably for racial reasons, failed to convict Deshaun Stafford on involuntary manslaughter.

00:57:41.080 In the end, he was only convicted for assault. And here's what I said at the time for context.

00:57:46.040 This week, Ethan Lyman's killers got off with a conviction for assault. That's it. They were

00:57:53.240 acquitted of involuntary manslaughter. It's as if they just got into a nasty bar fight or something.

00:57:58.500 They stomped somebody to death, and all they're getting is an assault charge. Conviction, rather.

00:58:04.940 So they'll almost certainly be out of jail within two years, if not sooner. This is jury nullification

00:58:10.340 encouraged by prosecutors. There's no other term that you can use to describe this.

00:58:16.040 Now, I refer to this verdict as jury nullification, but actually, it was worse than that. The

00:58:22.200 prosecutors decided not to retry any of the other defendants on the involuntary manslaughter

00:58:26.880 charge, even though they could have done so. So the prosecutors effectively endorsed the jury's

00:58:31.780 decision to convict Deshaun Stafford and his co-defendants for assault. As I predicted at the

00:58:38.820 time, Stafford ended up spending less than two years in prison. Specifically, he spent the six months of

00:58:44.260 his sentence in a halfway house that was fully released in December of 2024. But his freedom

00:58:49.620 didn't last long. This summer, he was arrested once again. And shortly afterwards, he had another

00:58:54.480 criminal conviction on his record. This is from a report in Yahoo News from the beginning of this

00:58:58.100 month. Quote, two brothers who were convicted of assault charges and the beating death of an

00:59:01.940 Akron teen in the I Promise school parking lot has been convicted of new felony charges.

00:59:06.860 Deshaun Stafford was sentenced to probation this week for a drug charge. Stafford, 23,

00:59:11.700 was at a party on June 29th when he was approached by an officer while dancing in the street. The

00:59:15.720 officer found cocaine in his pocket. Judge Mary Margaret Rowlands placed Deshaun on probation for

00:59:21.600 six months on October 1st. This is the judge in question for what it's worth. And for our audio

00:59:29.820 podcast listeners, she's exactly what you would expect her to look like. Which is to say she's a 0.97

00:59:36.860 woman? Because in so many of these cases, as we've seen, it just so happens, coincidentally,

00:59:43.340 and in so many cases where they let these violent thugs out, it's these are female judges. Not always, 1.00

00:59:50.020 but but so often. She gave Deshaun Stafford probation with no prison time after he was caught

00:59:55.260 with cocaine immediately after getting out of prison for killing someone. Now, make no mistake about it.

01:00:00.920 The judge knew exactly what she was doing. She knows that people who commit a crime, any crime,

01:00:05.980 are dramatically more likely than the general population to commit violent crimes in the future.

01:00:09.940 With each crime they commit, that likelihood increases exponentially. That's especially true

01:00:14.700 when you're talking about serious crimes like violent assault and cocaine possession. If we went back to

01:00:19.480 three strike laws, something like 50 percent of all violent crime would vanish overnight.

01:00:25.980 So the only reason not to throw the book at somebody like Deshaun Stafford is because you

01:00:31.080 want him to commit more crime and destroy even more lives. And indeed, in a matter of weeks,

01:00:36.080 that's exactly what Deshaun Stafford did. He killed yet another young white victim. Watch. 0.71

01:00:45.040 A man who served time in connection to the death of an Akron high school student has now been charged for

01:00:49.960 his connection to shooting and killing an innocent bystander. Deshaun Stafford is facing several

01:00:55.420 charges, including murder in the deadly shooting of Timothy Hutchinson. Police say Hutchinson was

01:01:01.300 caught in the crossfire earlier this month in Highland Square. Investigators believe Stafford

01:01:06.560 shot at a man who then fired back, hitting Hutchinson. The other suspect has been arrested,

01:01:11.900 facing separate charges. Stafford was released earlier this year after serving time for an assault

01:01:17.200 charge in the death of 17-year-old Ethan Liming back in 2022. Liming died from a head injury during

01:01:22.600 a fight with Stafford and his brother after Liming and his friend shot gel pellets at them while they

01:01:27.400 were playing basketball outside the I Promise school in Akron. News 5's Bob Jones spoke with

01:01:31.760 Hutchinson's father earlier this month. He told us his son loved to fish in camp, and he had graduated

01:01:37.240 from the University of Akron just last spring with a degree in mechanical engineering, and he was working

01:01:41.720 in Worcester. So this is essentially a felony murder charge, as best I could tell. Deshaun Stafford

01:01:50.160 started shooting at someone, and in self-defense, that person shot back and accidentally hit 25-year-old

01:01:56.080 Timothy Hutchinson, who was an innocent bystander. But because he started the shootout, Stafford is being

01:02:01.420 charged for Hutchinson's murder because he is 100% responsible. He is the murderer here. Now, in an ideal

01:02:08.780 society, that would be the end of the story. But we obviously don't live in an ideal society, so we have

01:02:13.780 to ask, will that charge stick? Will a jury nullify those charges as well? And if not, what kind of

01:02:21.520 sentence do you think the liberal female judge will hand down? What's your best guess? Five years? Ten? 1.00

01:02:30.080 After killing his second person? How many? Now, personally, I predict eight years or so at most. 0.98

01:02:37.060 First, when Deshaun Stafford finally kills someone that the system cares about, meaning not a white

01:02:42.660 guy, that's when he'll face serious lifelong consequences and not a moment sooner. That's 0.62

01:02:48.260 because, as it's currently set up, our justice system, this is the way it works. Our justice system

01:02:53.180 will basically spot you one murder, as long as you're in the right demographic. If you're in the right 0.76

01:02:59.560 demographic and you are an official codified victim, according to the way the system works,

01:03:05.580 which is to say you're anything but a white guy, then they'll give you one. Like, you can kill one 1.00

01:03:11.940 person with no significant penalty. After you kill your second, and it's guaranteed you will, 1.00

01:03:19.640 then they'll think about maybe putting you away for a decade or two. This is literally how the 0.63

01:03:25.480 system works, and it's total madness. Every other day, we hear about people getting killed because

01:03:29.940 the government, in the name of equity, decided not to enforce the law. Remember this crash from last

01:03:34.380 week? You can see it on the screen. A 21-year-old illegal migrant from India drove an 18-wheeler 0.93

01:03:39.940 into stop traffic on the freeway in California, didn't even attempt to hit the brakes, killed three

01:03:45.560 people, seriously injured several others. The driver, Jashun Preet Singh, entered this country

01:03:51.780 illegally in 2022, but instead of deporting him, the Biden administration let him stay.

01:03:55.860 Now, several people are dead, including 76-year-old Clarence Nelson and 69-year-old Lisa Nelson.

01:04:00.300 Now, Singh has been charged with vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated and driving

01:04:04.860 under the influence, and those sound like serious charges, but as an illegal alien,

01:04:10.040 Singh is obviously entitled to preferential treatment, which is how things work now. So,

01:04:16.200 with that in mind, how long until a California judge lets him loose? Without informing ICE, of course.

01:04:22.000 How long until Singh is driving his 18-wheeler again? How long until he slaughters more victims? Five

01:04:29.560 years? Less? At a certain point, we have to decide how long we're going to allow our communities to be

01:04:35.540 held hostage by these barbarians. No one should get a mulligan after killing another human being, 1.00

01:04:41.400 or invading our country, or committing any other serious crime. You know, I did a show on Ethan

01:04:46.980 Liming back in 2023. I received more than a few comments about how Ethan Liming was in the wrong,

01:04:52.180 and had it coming for shooting the toy gun at those three black men. And these people criticized

01:04:57.720 me for assuming the worst about Deshaun Stafford. Well, you know, guess what? Sometimes assuming the

01:05:03.880 worst is the right approach. Sometimes it saves the lives of innocent people. And the possibility of

01:05:10.200 saving an innocent person is infinitely more important than showing kindness to criminals, or

01:05:14.440 giving them the benefit of the doubt, or giving them a second chance. The deaths of Timothy

01:05:20.720 Hutchinson, Clarence Nelson, and Lisa Nelson were horrible, yes, but they were also extremely

01:05:26.140 predictable and preventable. And it's time we start preventing them. That'll do it for the show

01:05:33.680 today. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Talk to you tomorrow. Have a great day. Godspeed.

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The Matt Walsh Show - October 28, 2025

Ep. 1681 - The EBT Program Is A Massive Scam, And The Government Shutdown Just Proved It

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