The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1706 - Why I Don’t Buy The Charlie Kirk Conspiracy Theories

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00:00:28.900 We are only going to talk about one thing today on the show, which is the murder of Charlie Kirk

00:00:33.640 and the conspiracy theories that have been formed around it.

00:00:37.320 I'm going to lay out what I believe to be the clear and obvious and unassailable facts of the case

00:00:42.760 and the conclusion that they inevitably lead to.

00:00:46.240 I'll cover everything as best I can, and although I have longstanding personal friendships with key figures in this story,

00:00:53.060 which makes things more complicated for me personally,

00:00:56.120 I will be totally transparent and honest and say what I believe must be said.

00:01:01.540 What happened three months ago, Charlie's brutal murder, and everything that's happened since,

00:01:07.640 pains me, as it does many people, deeply on a personal level.

00:01:13.580 And I'm doing my best to navigate it publicly and privately in a way consistent with my principles

00:01:19.200 and in a way that might have a chance to make some kind of positive difference.

00:01:24.700 Now, on the latter point, in terms of making a positive difference, I may be failing,

00:01:30.280 but if I am, it's not for lack of trying, and that's the truth.

00:01:34.360 You could choose to believe it or not.

00:01:36.920 But enough about me, as this story is most certainly not about me,

00:01:40.440 so let's get to the subject at hand.

00:01:42.180 And I begin with this thought.

00:01:44.880 A great deal of evil in the world can be described and has been described as banal.

00:01:51.200 Happens constantly, often without us realizing it,

00:01:54.380 without thrusting itself in our faces, and without making its perpetrators known to the world.

00:01:58.880 Think of the routine executions that are conducted by the anonymous butchers

00:02:02.340 working on behalf of Planned Parenthood or maid clinics in Canada.

00:02:06.480 Think of the many fraud schemes that are currently being hatched by unknown Somalis in Minneapolis 1.00

00:02:10.820 or the crimes against humanity that are taking place as we speak across the globe

00:02:15.100 in far-off African countries.

00:02:17.720 Now, these are all horrific acts, but we also don't see them happening.

00:02:23.360 We just know that they happen, and they happen so often that, to a certain extent,

00:02:27.680 we take them for granted.

00:02:29.760 And therefore, whether we realize it or not,

00:02:32.460 we can discuss these evils with a certain clarity and calm.

00:02:38.580 Now, the brutal murder of Charlie Kirk was not a banal act of evil.

00:02:44.440 There was nothing routine or mundane about it.

00:02:47.280 Footage of Charlie's public execution was beamed to hundreds of millions of people across the world.

00:02:51.920 His death was far more gruesome than any depiction in a film could ever be,

00:02:56.540 and it was streamed in far higher resolution than any other documented political assassination

00:03:00.580 in the history of the world.

00:03:02.960 Outside of military veterans, many of whom suffer for the rest of their lives

00:03:06.360 because of what they've seen on the battlefield, it's highly unlikely that any of us

00:03:09.760 had ever witnessed the devastating and immediate effects of a sniper shot to a man's neck.

00:03:16.400 I know that I had never seen such a thing, and I certainly had never seen it happen to a friend.

00:03:22.040 But whether you were a friend of Charlie or not, whether you agreed with his politics or not,

00:03:26.100 the point is that you had never seen anything like that event.

00:03:30.960 And then on September 10th, that changed.

00:03:34.140 And what you saw, if you have a conscience at all, changed you.

00:03:40.060 How do normal human beings respond when they're confronted against their will with a sight like that?

00:03:47.300 Well, there's no playbook to follow.

00:03:50.640 There's no precedent to guide us.

00:03:52.380 There's no research or peer-reviewed study that can walk us through it.

00:03:56.080 The honest answer is, we have no idea.

00:03:59.680 We figure it out as we go.

00:04:02.600 And some have preferred not to talk about what happened.

00:04:05.680 Others have spoken up as often as they possibly can.

00:04:08.700 And we can now say with some certainty, a very large number of people have concocted or come to believe highly incredible theories to explain Charlie's death.

00:04:19.000 Theories that, if true, would defy any semblance of common sense and cause more international incidents than both world wars put together.

00:04:27.840 These kinds of theories can, in many cases perhaps, plausibly be explained, at least in part,

00:04:34.600 as a psychological defense mechanism, a way for many people who are effectively in a state of shock to make sense of something horrible and unprecedented.

00:04:43.100 Conspiracy theories always pop up around tragedies of this sort.

00:04:46.640 Think of the Sandy Hook theories, many other examples.

00:04:50.080 And I believe this happens, and I've said many times, at least in part,

00:04:54.140 because people are trying to take something ghastly and shocking and make it comprehensible by turning it into a kind of cinematic plot line.

00:05:03.160 But over time, as we all know, shock wears off, and eventually the perpetrators of even the most grotesque acts of evil,

00:05:11.420 through the passage of time and the arrival of more information,

00:05:14.860 begin to remind us of the perpetrators of banal acts of evil, the ones we're all familiar with.

00:05:22.000 Especially when they're caught, these killers lose the mystique that they had when they were on the run

00:05:26.720 or when they were squirreled away in solitary confinement somewhere.

00:05:29.260 The reason people still talk about Jack the Ripper, while nobody knows the name Gary Ridgway anymore,

00:05:33.960 is that Ridgway was identified, arrested, and put on trial.

00:05:37.680 There was a public catharsis.

00:05:39.320 And when something like that happens, we have an opportunity to regain our senses,

00:05:44.540 to understand the threat we face,

00:05:46.620 and to proceed with clear heads and restrained emotions as we work to eliminate the threat

00:05:52.160 and move on with our lives, to the extent that it's possible for us to do so.

00:05:59.160 Yesterday, just over three months after Charlie Kirk was murdered,

00:06:02.220 one of those moments of public catharsis took place in a courtroom in Utah.

00:06:06.120 The man alleged to be responsible for Charlie's death, Tyler Robinson,

00:06:10.220 appeared in person in court for the first time since the assassination.

00:06:13.860 And note that I say the word alleged only in the journalistic sense that we traditionally use it

00:06:19.840 to describe accused criminals before they're convicted in a court of law.

00:06:23.680 But in reality, from my point of view, Tyler Robinson is not just alleged to be the killer.

00:06:30.560 He is the killer.

00:06:32.400 His guilt is plain as day.

00:06:34.620 And I will explain why in a moment.

00:06:38.280 During his appearance, Robinson repeatedly grinned and smiled as if he was enjoying himself.

00:06:44.300 This is a man who has clearly benefited from the many fanciful stories

00:06:48.980 that have been told about Charlie's death. 0.97

00:06:50.960 His expression is the demonic grin of a sociopath. 0.85

00:06:55.480 It's a grin that we've seen from many other sociopaths over the years, 0.92

00:06:59.000 from Luigi Mangione to Brian Koberger.

00:07:01.300 It's familiar.

00:07:03.300 And therefore, the images from the courtroom yesterday are not confounding or shocking.

00:07:07.740 They're sobering.

00:07:09.400 And they aren't particularly difficult to decode.

00:07:12.120 Now, at the risk of understatement, this does not look like footage of a man

00:07:16.860 who's being framed for murder or somebody who's terrified and confused. 0.91

00:07:22.160 He looks a lot like many other narcissistic sociopathic murderers 0.61

00:07:25.240 who've been in the exact same position. 0.85

00:07:28.280 You know, there's been a lot of conversation about vibes and feelings,

00:07:31.420 people claiming that various figures involved in this saga give off bad vibes

00:07:35.540 or give them a weird feeling.

00:07:38.040 Needless to say, vibes and feelings do not constitute evidence of anything.

00:07:43.500 But it's worth asking anyway.

00:07:46.080 What kind of vibe does Tyler Robinson give off?

00:07:50.140 Can anyone honestly say you get the vibe that this is an innocent man

00:07:54.300 being railroaded by powerful forces involved in a global conspiracy?

00:07:58.140 To say nothing of his parents, who certainly are not giving off the vibes of parents

00:08:03.280 who know that their son is being used as a patsy for a crime he didn't commit.

00:08:08.740 This footage should have the effect of focusing your mind

00:08:11.480 and strengthening your resolve after three months of speculation and paranoia.

00:08:16.100 It should also motivate you to evaluate, with as much precision and seriousness as possible,

00:08:22.620 the strength of the case against Tyler Robinson.

00:08:27.220 Justice in this case depends on it.

00:08:30.220 And so does perhaps the survival of the conservative political movement

00:08:33.520 and therefore our country.

00:08:36.860 So the time for wild theorizing is over.

00:08:40.840 Now, of course, as we all know, Candace Owens has been by far the most prominent person 0.52

00:08:46.400 to push alternative theories of the case.

00:08:48.480 Candace has been my friend for many years now.

00:08:51.740 But I strongly disagree with her theories about this case.

00:08:55.060 And I've told her that in our private conversations.

00:08:57.620 I won't and would never say anything about the content of those conversations,

00:09:01.640 except that we've had them.

00:09:04.040 But many millions of other people in the general public have come to believe these theories.

00:09:08.100 And there are plenty of other people online who are pushing them,

00:09:11.340 which means that there's a conversation to be had with the general public as well,

00:09:15.520 which is what I want to do today.

00:09:18.720 If you're in that camp,

00:09:20.200 if you're someone who believes that Charlie's death was the result of some kind of vast conspiracy

00:09:25.240 implicating foreign governments, our own government, TPUSA,

00:09:28.720 I ask you to listen to what I have to say.

00:09:32.840 I'm not going to insult or condemn you.

00:09:35.420 I'm just going to tell you plainly.

00:09:38.100 But I think you're wrong.

00:09:39.760 And why?

00:09:41.780 Guilt is established through evidence.

00:09:44.500 And the evidence, all of the evidence, points in one direction.

00:09:49.680 Which isn't to say that there aren't unanswered questions.

00:09:52.300 And it's not even to dismiss the possibility of a conspiracy.

00:09:55.140 There may indeed be a conspiracy of sorts,

00:09:57.560 but it's a conspiracy if there is one among left-wing militants in Utah.

00:10:02.840 I'll get to all of that.

00:10:03.680 Well, I just ask that you listen.

00:10:07.020 And we'll start with the evidence, and here it is.

00:10:10.660 DNA recovered at the crime scene from a screwdriver as well as a towel that was wrapped around the rifle used in the shooting.

00:10:15.880 Both match Tyler Robinson.

00:10:18.500 His DNA was also found on the trigger of the rifle.

00:10:22.520 This is evidence that mathematically excludes any other suspect.

00:10:26.840 It's also evidence that is subject to independent testing by the defense team,

00:10:31.220 and which the state crime lab has reviewed separately from the FBI.

00:10:34.820 It's evidence that even if it were the only evidence,

00:10:38.660 would likely be enough to convict anyone in any court.

00:10:43.440 But it's not the only evidence.

00:10:45.700 Additionally, in a text message after the shooting,

00:10:47.700 Robinson said that he wanted to take out Charlie Kirk because he's been spreading hate.

00:10:51.920 He also wrote a note saying,

00:10:53.780 I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it.

00:10:56.780 The FBI has a photograph of that note.

00:10:59.200 Now, hearing all this, you might say, well, I don't trust the FBI.

00:11:02.200 Maybe they faked the text messages.

00:11:04.600 Maybe they planted the DNA.

00:11:06.800 And it's certainly not unreasonable to distrust the FBI, generally speaking.

00:11:10.980 After all, we've been lied to so many times about virtually everything from Russiagate to COVID to George Floyd to the assassination attempt in Butler and so on.

00:11:19.520 The FBI, as an institution, historically, has very little credibility.

00:11:25.400 But here's the thing.

00:11:27.100 The case does not hinge on the credibility of the FBI.

00:11:30.880 Not even close.

00:11:32.900 Tyler Robinson's father and mother both recognized their son in the surveillance images from UVU's cameras.

00:11:40.140 Robinson's father also recognized the rifle as the same type of rifle that had been given to his son as a gift.

00:11:47.080 But Robinson didn't provide a photo of the rifle when his father requested one after the shooting.

00:11:51.100 He didn't tell his parents where the rifle was.

00:11:53.320 He also didn't deny committing the crime when his parents asked about it.

00:11:55.980 Nor did Robinson say that the FBI had faked the surveillance images somehow as a way of setting him up as a patsy.

00:12:03.060 And even if you respond to that by saying, well, none of that is true, his parents didn't actually recognize him or turn him in.

00:12:12.060 Well, if that were the case, then the parents who are alive today, you would think, would be out in front of cameras every single day shouting to the heavens that their son is innocent.

00:12:26.500 And they are not doing that.

00:12:29.220 Now, instead, when Tyler was asked why he had killed Charlie, he wondered aloud about whether he should kill himself and stated that Charlie was responsible for spreading evil.

00:12:42.820 And then before going to the sheriff's office, Robinson also posted this message to a group of his friends on Discord, quote,

00:12:49.280 It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this.

00:12:53.200 So we have three confessions here, one to his parents, one to his roommate, and one on Discord.

00:12:58.160 And the confessions were not obtained by the FBI or coerced in an interrogation room or anything like that.

00:13:04.460 Robinson turned himself in at a sheriff's office, not an FBI field office.

00:13:08.800 A retired deputy sheriff and family friend brought him there.

00:13:11.700 Now, those local sheriffs were the ones who took the first statements from Robinson's parents, which identified Robinson as the shooter and provided the motive.

00:13:20.160 In literally any other case, for literally any other defendant, if there is DNA evidence and a confession, they will be convicted.

00:13:31.620 And to say that this kind of evidence is not enough, indeed to say that this evidence doesn't even point vaguely to the suspect,

00:13:38.260 is to essentially say that guilt can never be proven in a court of law.

00:13:44.540 And by the way, a police officer at Utah Valley University was the first person to identify where the shooter was located.

00:13:51.180 The FBI was not on the scene at the time.

00:13:53.820 This officer immediately identified where the shot had come from, and he ran to the sniper's nest.

00:13:58.400 According to charging documents, which were prepared by Utah's county attorney, quote,

00:14:03.400 At the moment of the shot, a UVU police officer was watching the crowd from an elevated vantage point.

00:14:08.400 As soon as he heard the shot, he began to scan the area for threats.

00:14:11.760 Believing the shot came from a rifle because of its sound, he looked for potential sniper positions.

00:14:15.880 He noted a roof area approximately 160 yards away from Mr. Kirk as a potential shooting position and rushed there to look for evidence.

00:14:23.500 When the UVU officer arrived at the position, he, quote,

00:14:27.340 Noticed markings in the gravel rooftop consistent with a sniper having lain on the roof.

00:14:31.540 Impressions in the gravel potentially left by the elbows, knees, and feet of a person in a prone shooting position.

00:14:36.840 Police reviewed surveillance from the camera covering the roof and discovered that it recorded an individual dressed in dark clothing

00:14:42.640 crossing the railing from the public walkway and drop onto the roof at approximately 12.15 p.m.

00:14:47.580 After a short time, which matches the known time of the shot, the individual arose and ran across the roof to the northeast.

00:14:53.940 This discovery led to an intensive review of UVU surveillance recordings to attempt to track and identify the suspect.

00:15:01.580 Now, notably, this UVU police officer, an unlikely participant in a grand FBI conspiracy by any measure,

00:15:09.000 did not think a mysterious second shooter on a grassy knoll had taken the shot.

00:15:12.680 He zeroed in on the shooting location right away.

00:15:16.180 They checked the cameras, and the cameras provided images of the shooter climbing the steps,

00:15:20.580 who was then identified by his parents.

00:15:22.620 There's also the fact that, according to a former co-worker, Robinson always walked around with his fists clenched.

00:15:27.880 Now, this is not the kind of evidence that would convict Robinson on his own, on its own, obviously.

00:15:33.140 It's circumstantial.

00:15:34.260 It's not hard evidence.

00:15:36.200 But we have hard evidence.

00:15:38.160 And we have circumstantial evidence.

00:15:39.880 So both the hard evidence and the circumstantial evidence point in one direction.

00:15:45.160 This is from the New York Post, quoting an electrician that Tyler Robinson worked with, quote,

00:15:50.100 Tyler walked around with clenched fists all the time, like super hard clenched fists.

00:15:54.720 I remember making a joke to him one time when he had his fists like that.

00:15:57.820 I was like, are you angry, Tyler?

00:15:59.480 And he was like, that's just what I do.

00:16:01.500 He was always soft-spoken, but his fists were always like that.

00:16:04.100 He said, even in the security footage from UVU, you can see he's got his fists clenched tight.

00:16:09.880 And here is that security footage.

00:16:12.700 So that detail from an independent witness is obviously incriminating.

00:16:19.060 So is the fact that after the shooting, Robinson didn't answer his phone or show up to work.

00:16:23.600 Quote, I was shocked when I heard the news yesterday.

00:16:25.340 I was like, it can't be that Tyler.

00:16:27.520 So I called my old coworker at Wild Electric and I was like, hey, did Tyler show up to work today?

00:16:32.240 He was like, no, he was supposed to, but maybe he's at a different site.

00:16:35.500 And I was like, dude, I think Tyler was the one who did the shooting and he didn't believe me.

00:16:39.320 The man said, adding to his, that his subsequent phone call to Robinson went straight to voicemail.

00:16:46.100 Now, in no uncertain terms, the evidence against Tyler Robinson, which comes from multiple independent sources,

00:16:52.900 which is both hard evidence and circumstantial evidence, is overwhelming.

00:16:59.660 I mean, it's easily enough for a reasonable jury to convict him.

00:17:04.380 Ten times over.

00:17:06.460 By contrast, the alleged evidence implicating the U.S. military, foreign assassins with their personal cell phones,

00:17:13.660 Egyptian Air Force planes, Turning Point USA, the French Foreign Legion,

00:17:17.660 that evidence, the actual evidence is non-existent.

00:17:22.900 It's not that there aren't any weird details about that day or about some of the people tangentially connected to the event,

00:17:29.680 which you could point to, but there are two important points about those weird details.

00:17:36.640 First of all, a lot of those details are based on hearsay and anonymous reports.

00:17:41.500 So you have no way to know if they're even true.

00:17:43.380 But second, even if they're all true, even if it's true, even if it's all true,

00:17:47.520 even if it's true that Egyptian planes have been following Erica Kirk around and everything else,

00:17:51.920 they do not constitute any kind of evidence at all.

00:17:57.960 You could take any murder that has ever happened in the history of the world,

00:18:04.580 look at all of the stuff surrounding it, and all of the people connected in some way to it,

00:18:10.740 and point to any number of weird things.

00:18:14.860 But there's a reason why no competent defense attorney would ever try to get his client off the hook

00:18:19.620 simply on the basis that weird stuff happened on the same day that the murder happened.

00:18:26.320 That is not exculpatory.

00:18:28.940 That is not evidence of anything except that weird things happen.

00:18:32.860 And in that very important respect, the conspiracy theory claims are the exact opposite

00:18:40.140 of the witness testimony and DNA evidence that will be presented at Robinson's trial,

00:18:44.300 all of which will be subjected to cross-examination and independent testing.

00:18:49.700 None of the weird details presented by conspiracy theorists, on the other hand,

00:18:53.880 constitute evidence even remotely.

00:18:56.740 And more to the point, the conspiracy theories make less sense of these facts

00:19:03.260 than the so-called quote-unquote official narrative does.

00:19:06.700 So the conspiracy theorists are positing random circumstantial points as evidence of a theory

00:19:13.480 that itself does a worse job of explaining the points than the theory they're trying to debunk.

00:19:19.700 All of the weird details, again, assuming they're all true, which we can't assume,

00:19:23.800 actually make the conspiracy theory less plausible, not more.

00:19:28.320 If this whole thing was the work of powerful actors at the highest levels of government across the world

00:19:33.140 who plotted, planned, and carried it out, it would be much cleaner.

00:19:37.080 And there would be far fewer weird details for people on the internet to home in on.

00:19:41.540 For example, the conspiracy theories suggest that various powerful governmental forces across the globe

00:19:47.700 conspired to kill Charlie Kirk.

00:19:50.820 And rather than just having him die mysteriously in his home of a heart attack or suicide,

00:19:56.100 which they could have easily arranged,

00:19:57.980 or sniping him while he checked the mail one day and making sure the assassin was never found,

00:20:02.560 which they also could have arranged,

00:20:04.680 they decided to carry out this plot on stage, on camera,

00:20:08.340 using Robinson as a patsy who they allowed to be captured alive for some inexplicable reason

00:20:14.480 when they could have just made it a murder-suicide and tied up the loose ends.

00:20:17.960 And on top of all that, we're told that they used the wrong ammunition in the official story.

00:20:22.880 We'll get to that in a second.

00:20:24.420 Along with leaving a trail of various other breadcrumbs that the internet could follow.

00:20:28.440 And on top of that, they somehow convinced Robinson's own parents to go along with this charade,

00:20:34.240 persuading them to offer their innocent son up to be executed,

00:20:37.860 or at least to tolerate him being offered up,

00:20:41.860 while also allowing them to stay alive to tell their tale if they ever choose to.

00:20:47.480 You know, there have been many mass shootings where the shooter

00:20:49.580 kills his family members before turning his gun on the public and then himself.

00:20:54.540 That's an established pattern with these kinds of things.

00:20:58.420 The hypothetical conspirators could have, and obviously would have,

00:21:03.200 arranged all of that in this case.

00:21:05.700 Tidally closing the loop and getting rid of anyone who could blow the whistle.

00:21:09.880 Indeed, the whole reason why everybody, I think, rightly assumes that Epstein didn't kill himself

00:21:14.720 is that we know that powerful conspirators

00:21:18.180 aren't just going to leave somebody alive to blow the lid on the whole thing.

00:21:22.400 Now, admittedly, I'm speaking hypothetically about what these government assassins would do.

00:21:28.540 But the conspiracy theorists are also speaking hypothetically,

00:21:32.060 and I'm saying that the facts on the ground don't match their hypothetical at all.

00:21:39.480 A theory is not just an educated guess.

00:21:42.500 A theory, in a scientific sense, is a system meant to explain the facts we observe.

00:21:47.600 We observe objects falling to the ground when we drop them.

00:21:51.360 Gravity is the theory, the system, that explains that fact.

00:21:56.340 This is why we say theories should be predictive.

00:21:58.940 They should have predictive power.

00:22:00.860 A theory should predict what we observe in reality.

00:22:04.380 So if you listen to somebody explain the theory of gravity,

00:22:07.460 you would predict, based on that theory,

00:22:09.980 that things would fall to the ground when you drop them.

00:22:12.300 And what do you know?

00:22:13.080 They do.

00:22:13.440 But the conspiracy theory surrounding Charlie's assassination

00:22:16.600 does not make sense of or predict any of the details that it was designed to explain.

00:22:24.240 If you didn't know anything about Charlie or his murder,

00:22:27.480 and somebody told you the conspiracy theory,

00:22:29.380 they told you the tale of militaries, intelligence agencies,

00:22:32.520 multi-million dollar organizations conspiring to kill this man

00:22:36.180 in a highly coordinated, well-funded scheme

00:22:38.380 carried out by specialized and highly trained killers,

00:22:40.900 you would have in your head a picture of this case

00:22:43.780 that would not even slightly resemble the reality.

00:22:48.660 And when you finally read up on the case itself

00:22:51.100 and the actual real-life details,

00:22:53.100 you would be utterly shocked to see the clumsiness,

00:22:56.700 the weirdness, the apparent inconsistencies.

00:22:59.860 And most especially, you would be shocked

00:23:02.280 that all of the people who are being used as patsies in this murder

00:23:06.300 are somehow left alive.

00:23:09.980 You would be shocked

00:23:11.080 that Charlie's murder very much resembles in every way

00:23:14.960 the work of an untrained radical whack job

00:23:18.340 and not the work of nefarious global elites.

00:23:22.040 Now, you could argue that nefarious global elites

00:23:25.820 would want it to look like the work of an untrained radical whack job,

00:23:29.160 but the whole reason you formulated this theory

00:23:31.200 is because you say it doesn't look like the work

00:23:33.240 of an untrained radical whack job, even though it does.

00:23:35.960 So your theory collapses in on itself.

00:23:37.880 It eats its own tail.

00:23:40.580 And on that point,

00:23:42.240 we need to talk about one specific insinuation

00:23:44.880 which comes up quite often

00:23:46.320 and which the conspiracy theorists

00:23:48.500 are hanging much of their theory on,

00:23:50.280 which is that Robinson's rifle

00:23:52.180 may not have killed Charlie Kirk

00:23:53.560 because a bullet from that rifle

00:23:55.780 would have decapitated him.

00:23:58.220 Now, this is an insinuation

00:23:59.240 that claims to rely on actual scientific evidence,

00:24:01.520 so it's worth discussing in some detail.

00:24:04.940 Again, even if it's true

00:24:06.180 that the ammunition doesn't match

00:24:08.260 the type of injury Charlie sustained,

00:24:10.280 that inconsistency makes even less sense

00:24:13.260 under the theory that this was all plotted

00:24:15.640 by militaries and governments.

00:24:17.380 Would they not have known this fact about the ammunition?

00:24:20.980 Is it even plausible

00:24:21.960 that they would make that kind of mistake?

00:24:25.820 But we're supposed to believe this claim about the rifle

00:24:27.780 because of the demonstrations like this one,

00:24:29.740 which Candace presented on her show recently.

00:24:32.680 Watch.

00:24:42.940 Well, we definitely penetrated our water jugs,

00:24:45.900 and I don't think this is going to help

00:24:48.660 to stop the conspiracy theories.

00:24:50.940 His head fell off.

00:24:52.080 Look at that.

00:24:54.960 I mean...

00:24:55.960 Watch that.

00:24:59.720 All right, guys.

00:25:19.780 I figured this is probably what would happen.

00:25:21.680 I was trying to remain optimistic,

00:25:23.280 but that right there is why people are skeptical

00:25:26.220 on the official story.

00:25:27.460 The 30-06 is a very hard round to stop.

00:25:32.560 Yeah, so I wanted to show that

00:25:33.980 because I realized there's a bunch of people

00:25:35.300 who may not be gun enthusiasts.

00:25:37.160 Obviously, that channel is dedicated to it,

00:25:38.700 and just so you understand

00:25:40.040 and really appreciate

00:25:42.000 what the federal government

00:25:44.140 is trying to sell to you right now.

00:25:46.140 That's what we mean when we say

00:25:47.620 that particular bullet

00:25:50.000 would have decapitated Charlie.

00:25:52.580 Like, you see, like, just the idea

00:25:55.640 that that just, like, ricocheted

00:25:57.300 and went inward 0.96

00:25:58.980 is just so beyond ridiculous. 0.99

00:26:01.420 It's insulting. 0.96

00:26:02.740 One of the many obvious problems here

00:26:04.580 is that this demonstration

00:26:05.800 does not account

00:26:06.820 for any of the actual variables

00:26:08.700 of the assassination

00:26:09.560 beyond the round that was used.

00:26:11.420 And the most important missing variable

00:26:14.000 is that the actual shooter

00:26:15.340 was at an elevated position

00:26:16.940 roughly 40 feet above the ground.

00:26:18.600 He shot Charlie at an angle,

00:26:21.020 and they don't account for that

00:26:22.580 in any way in this demonstration.

00:26:25.520 Take a look at this diagram

00:26:26.700 that was uploaded by Phoenix Ammunition,

00:26:29.700 which is a credible source on the topic

00:26:32.100 because they manufacture precision ammo.

00:26:35.200 And the blue line is the bullet trajectory

00:26:37.220 that they assess as plausible.

00:26:38.720 It gives you an idea of how the bullet

00:26:40.420 may have deflected

00:26:41.580 once it hits Charlie's spine.

00:26:43.860 And if you've ever gone hunting,

00:26:45.340 you know how often

00:26:46.280 this kind of thing happens.

00:26:47.160 A powerful round,

00:26:48.180 particularly if it's shot at an angle,

00:26:50.300 will often deflect off bone,

00:26:52.340 sending fragments downward into the body.

00:26:55.580 But if you watch that demonstration,

00:26:56.920 which doesn't remotely mirror

00:26:58.360 the actual conditions of the shooting,

00:27:01.320 you're led to believe

00:27:01.880 that this is physically impossible.

00:27:03.620 You're told that it's far more likely

00:27:05.220 that a second unknown shooter

00:27:07.040 actually shot Charlie

00:27:09.180 with a completely different weapon,

00:27:10.620 which for the third time,

00:27:11.940 if the conspiracy theories are true,

00:27:14.060 it wouldn't make any sense

00:27:15.800 for the conspirators

00:27:17.200 to carry out the assassination that way.

00:27:21.380 Now, you can come up with various reasons

00:27:23.100 why so many people,

00:27:26.240 and there are millions of them,

00:27:28.440 are tempted to buy into this.

00:27:32.040 Now, part of it may be ignorance

00:27:33.460 or unfamiliarity with firearms

00:27:35.520 and other basic scientific evidence.

00:27:37.900 Some of it may be latent frustration

00:27:39.960 or resentment towards Turning Point USA.

00:27:42.200 Some of it may be a desire for catharsis

00:27:44.420 to lash out blindly at the establishment.

00:27:47.500 A good part of it may be related

00:27:48.620 to the same reason true crime shows

00:27:50.460 are popular, especially with women.

00:27:52.840 It can be intoxicating for people

00:27:54.160 to believe fictional narratives

00:27:55.720 about real-world events.

00:27:56.920 It makes you feel like a detective,

00:27:58.260 someone who's privy to knowledge

00:27:59.300 that most people aren't.

00:28:00.800 It's a way to make sense of events

00:28:02.140 that are horrifying and disturbing,

00:28:03.500 even if those events at a factual level

00:28:05.100 aren't complicated.

00:28:07.340 You know, compare the popularity

00:28:08.300 of the highly fictionalized

00:28:09.680 Making a Murderer Netflix show

00:28:11.300 with the various attempts to debunk it,

00:28:14.200 including Candace's own

00:28:15.400 well-made documentary on the subject.

00:28:17.680 It's not even close.

00:28:20.100 You know, the wild theorizing

00:28:21.460 is often far more entertaining

00:28:23.200 than the sober reality.

00:28:26.460 That's especially true now

00:28:27.860 in an era of extremely low-trusted institutions,

00:28:31.740 when the government has proven

00:28:32.760 that it's willing to lie again and again,

00:28:34.780 wild theorizing starts to seem rational.

00:28:37.940 No one wants to believe

00:28:39.080 the official narrative

00:28:39.800 because the official narrative

00:28:40.680 so often is false.

00:28:42.440 We elected this government

00:28:43.700 to address the problem.

00:28:44.640 We elected them to restore faith

00:28:45.900 in law enforcement

00:28:46.660 and the rest of America's institutions,

00:28:48.240 and frankly, that hasn't happened.

00:28:51.660 So there is distrust,

00:28:53.480 and distrust is understandable,

00:28:55.680 but distrust is not evidence

00:28:57.560 of an alternative theory.

00:29:00.860 And crucially, again,

00:29:02.740 you do not need to trust the FBI

00:29:05.260 or the federal government

00:29:06.640 to recognize Tyler Robinson's

00:29:09.200 very obvious guilt.

00:29:12.180 Now, with that said,

00:29:13.300 there are, as I alluded to,

00:29:15.780 unanswered questions.

00:29:17.180 And those unanswered questions,

00:29:18.680 in my opinion,

00:29:20.020 may even lead to a conspiracy,

00:29:21.640 but not one that involves

00:29:24.620 TPUSA or the Trump administration

00:29:26.760 or any of the people

00:29:28.080 or organizations

00:29:28.620 who have so far been implicated.

00:29:30.940 And as for those questions,

00:29:32.360 here they are.

00:29:34.240 Question one.

00:29:35.940 Why did somebody write

00:29:37.040 on September 3rd,

00:29:37.920 a week before the shooting,

00:29:38.980 quote,

00:29:39.300 it would be funny

00:29:40.000 if someone like Charlie Kirk

00:29:41.660 got shot on September 10th?

00:29:43.700 LMAO.

00:29:45.620 That is a real post on X.

00:29:48.020 It was unearthed

00:29:48.560 by the account Estetica.

00:29:49.840 It's legitimate.

00:29:50.420 Did that person 0.90

00:29:52.740 have advanced knowledge

00:29:53.700 of the shooting?

00:29:54.240 It certainly seems like they did.

00:29:56.580 It's especially alarming

00:29:57.780 because,

00:29:58.340 as Cassandra McDonald

00:29:59.180 of Gateway Pundit

00:29:59.960 has pointed out,

00:30:00.840 the username of that post

00:30:02.080 is Tally Hall Album,

00:30:03.440 and Tyler Robinson,

00:30:04.340 coincidentally enough,

00:30:05.500 had a publicly visible

00:30:06.500 playlist of songs

00:30:07.480 by the band

00:30:08.120 Tally Hall on Spotify.

00:30:10.000 Additionally,

00:30:11.180 the shooter's

00:30:11.720 trans furry boyfriend,

00:30:13.500 McDonald reported,

00:30:14.800 was active

00:30:15.420 on the Tally Hall subreddit.

00:30:18.200 Now, there were

00:30:18.960 several other posts

00:30:19.840 along those lines.

00:30:21.180 Another post read,

00:30:22.100 Charlie Kirk is coming

00:30:22.800 to my college tomorrow.

00:30:23.660 I really hope someone

00:30:24.360 evaporates him literally.

00:30:26.120 Let's just say

00:30:26.720 something big

00:30:27.560 will happen tomorrow.

00:30:29.900 Additionally,

00:30:30.500 days before the shooting,

00:30:31.360 somebody else indicated

00:30:32.180 that something big

00:30:33.060 was coming soon.

00:30:34.020 And then after the shooting,

00:30:35.400 the author wrote,

00:30:36.580 well, that's that.

00:30:37.980 And another chud 1.00

00:30:39.320 bites the dust.

00:30:41.480 Then there's this one.

00:30:42.480 It's from shortly

00:30:42.960 after the shooting.

00:30:44.320 A trans-identifying individual

00:30:45.520 who is followed

00:30:46.280 by Lance Twiggs

00:30:47.240 on TikTok wrote,

00:30:48.160 we effing did it.

00:30:51.020 Now, whatever happened

00:30:52.080 to those people?

00:30:53.320 The FBI says

00:30:54.260 they investigated them.

00:30:55.640 What did they uncover?

00:30:57.300 Were they cleared?

00:30:58.880 If so, how?

00:31:00.980 And there's a clear

00:31:01.900 public interest

00:31:02.620 in answering that question.

00:31:03.760 It wouldn't interfere

00:31:04.620 with Tyler Robinson's trial.

00:31:07.640 So, what's the answer?

00:31:10.140 And while we're at it,

00:31:11.200 why did Robinson text 0.98

00:31:12.340 his gay furry lover, 0.94

00:31:13.580 quote, 0.96

00:31:14.120 remember how I was

00:31:14.900 engraving bullets?

00:31:15.860 Now, how is it possible

00:31:17.680 that the roommate,

00:31:18.400 Lance Twiggs,

00:31:19.480 would see Robinson

00:31:20.360 engraving bullets

00:31:21.060 but not have any idea

00:31:22.380 why he was engraving them?

00:31:25.380 Did he see him

00:31:26.180 engraving messages

00:31:26.840 like,

00:31:27.380 hey, fascist catch?

00:31:28.560 Did he ask why his roommate

00:31:30.060 was engraving bullets?

00:31:32.560 Would that not send up

00:31:33.780 a million red flags?

00:31:36.560 What possible innocent reason

00:31:38.100 could a person ever have

00:31:39.140 for engraving a bullet?

00:31:42.520 Well, we have no idea.

00:31:43.780 And as far as we know,

00:31:44.600 Twiggs has gone missing.

00:31:46.500 Nobody seems to know

00:31:47.300 where he is.

00:31:49.420 So, where is he?

00:31:52.360 And has he actually

00:31:53.480 been cleared

00:31:54.020 of any wrongdoing

00:31:54.880 or foreknowledge

00:31:56.080 of this attack?

00:31:57.560 And what is the group

00:31:58.520 Armed Queer's Salt Lake City? 1.00

00:32:00.320 And why did they scrub

00:32:01.440 their entire social media presence

00:32:02.900 immediately after the shooting?

00:32:05.560 Now, these are legitimate questions

00:32:07.060 that, for all I know,

00:32:08.420 the government will answer

00:32:09.440 during Robinson's trial.

00:32:11.840 But I think they should address

00:32:13.160 some of these issues now,

00:32:14.140 even if they have to

00:32:14.980 leak the information

00:32:15.860 through unofficial sources,

00:32:17.060 transparency is obviously necessary.

00:32:20.400 As of now,

00:32:21.520 there is actually a case

00:32:23.440 to be made

00:32:24.060 for a conspiracy,

00:32:26.480 but it doesn't involve

00:32:27.640 the Egyptian Air Force

00:32:28.980 or the French Foreign Legion.

00:32:32.060 It involves the people

00:32:33.320 who were predicting the attack

00:32:34.920 on the internet

00:32:35.540 before it happened.

00:32:36.600 The leftists,

00:32:37.340 the leftist freaks

00:32:38.120 on the internet

00:32:38.620 who seemingly had

00:32:40.720 foreknowledge of the attack.

00:32:42.040 It involves the coordinated attacks

00:32:44.060 by leftists on law enforcement

00:32:45.600 over the past several months.

00:32:47.160 It involves the people,

00:32:49.700 leftist militants,

00:32:50.880 who have been committing

00:32:52.360 acts of political violence

00:32:53.800 all over the country

00:32:54.460 for years

00:32:55.160 and who had all of the motive

00:32:58.240 and all of the incentive

00:32:59.920 to kill Charlie Kirk.

00:33:01.600 There is one group

00:33:02.940 and one group only

00:33:04.340 that has actually benefited

00:33:06.040 from Charlie's assassination

00:33:07.860 and that ever had a chance

00:33:09.400 of benefiting

00:33:09.960 and that is the militant left.

00:33:13.680 Now, on the other hand,

00:33:15.040 the group that has been harmed

00:33:16.300 the most by far

00:33:18.220 and that could only be harmed

00:33:20.440 by this

00:33:21.000 is TPUSA.

00:33:23.720 Which means that

00:33:24.620 along with there being

00:33:25.540 no evidence at all

00:33:26.600 to implicate them,

00:33:27.580 they also don't have

00:33:28.700 any discernible motive.

00:33:31.140 And that includes

00:33:32.140 most obviously

00:33:32.960 and especially

00:33:33.680 Erica Kirk.

00:33:34.560 And on that note,

00:33:37.500 I want to say this

00:33:38.940 about Erica.

00:33:41.020 I'd only met Erica

00:33:42.160 maybe once or twice

00:33:43.080 prior to Charlie's death.

00:33:44.400 After he was killed,

00:33:45.200 of course,

00:33:45.460 I reached out to her

00:33:46.260 and we spoke briefly

00:33:47.620 on the phone.

00:33:49.400 Again,

00:33:49.860 I'm not going to go into detail

00:33:50.700 about the content

00:33:51.300 of a private conversation

00:33:52.160 except to say

00:33:53.000 that Erica,

00:33:54.720 who had just lost her husband

00:33:56.200 in the most shocking way

00:33:57.120 imaginable,

00:33:57.900 spent most of our conversation

00:33:59.540 trying to encourage me

00:34:02.240 and tell me

00:34:04.740 how much I meant

00:34:06.040 to Charlie

00:34:06.500 as I tried desperately

00:34:08.040 to deflect the conversation

00:34:09.080 back to her,

00:34:10.280 the person who mattered.

00:34:12.760 She's the grieving widow

00:34:13.980 with children

00:34:15.340 who at that point

00:34:15.920 still didn't even know

00:34:16.740 that their father was dead.

00:34:18.860 And yet here she was

00:34:19.540 on the phone

00:34:20.020 through her tears,

00:34:22.540 through the very deep

00:34:23.780 and clear

00:34:24.460 and audible anguish

00:34:25.980 and pain in her voice,

00:34:28.680 still trying to be gracious

00:34:30.040 and encouraging

00:34:30.860 to somebody else,

00:34:32.620 some guy she barely knew.

00:34:35.560 And it was clear to me then

00:34:36.820 and has become

00:34:37.360 all the more clear to me since

00:34:38.620 as I've gotten to know her more

00:34:39.700 that this is somebody

00:34:41.640 with an immense amount

00:34:42.840 of strength and courage.

00:34:45.920 So when people look at Erica

00:34:47.220 and say,

00:34:47.860 she's acting strange,

00:34:48.920 I've never seen

00:34:49.520 a grieving person

00:34:50.240 act this way.

00:34:52.400 Well, I agree.

00:34:54.560 She's an exceptional person

00:34:55.960 in an extraordinary situation,

00:34:58.540 handling it

00:35:00.120 with remarkable poise

00:35:01.660 and dignity.

00:35:03.240 That is a virtue.

00:35:05.120 And virtue

00:35:05.940 is a strange thing

00:35:07.200 in our day.

00:35:09.500 And even if she were not

00:35:11.060 an impressive person,

00:35:12.580 she would still be

00:35:15.080 a grieving widow.

00:35:16.800 She would still be

00:35:18.120 my friend's wife.

00:35:20.340 And I would still feel

00:35:21.880 duty-bound

00:35:22.640 to support her

00:35:23.620 as I have

00:35:24.240 over these past three months

00:35:25.240 in ways both public and not.

00:35:26.660 So what I am asking

00:35:28.980 everybody,

00:35:30.120 including Candice,

00:35:31.480 is to please

00:35:33.360 leave this woman alone. 1.00

00:35:35.860 Let her grieve.

00:35:37.420 Let her pick up 0.99

00:35:38.420 the pieces

00:35:38.900 of her shattered life

00:35:40.360 in whatever way

00:35:41.460 she sees fit.

00:35:42.920 She deserves that grace.

00:35:45.340 And we owe it to her.

00:35:46.740 Not because of any

00:35:47.680 specific debt.

00:35:49.040 Not because we have

00:35:50.100 no right to question her.

00:35:51.840 Of course,

00:35:52.360 we do have the right.

00:35:53.060 But we have a moral

00:35:55.340 obligation

00:35:56.000 as children

00:35:56.820 of our Heavenly Father

00:35:57.920 to be charitable

00:35:58.780 and kind

00:35:59.640 toward suffering widows. 0.99

00:36:01.800 Especially the widow 0.93

00:36:02.760 of a man

00:36:03.360 that all of us

00:36:04.380 on the right

00:36:04.920 say that we respected

00:36:07.080 and admired.

00:36:09.800 All told,

00:36:10.840 the tragic reality

00:36:11.660 is that

00:36:12.180 three months

00:36:13.400 after the assassination

00:36:14.160 of Charlie Kirk,

00:36:15.420 the leftists 0.88

00:36:16.060 who want us dead 0.82

00:36:16.740 are more emboldened

00:36:18.920 than ever.

00:36:20.380 They are thrilled.

00:36:21.100 And that was always

00:36:22.880 the worst possible outcome.

00:36:24.600 It's a trajectory

00:36:25.320 that,

00:36:25.720 if it continues,

00:36:26.780 could destroy

00:36:27.400 not only what Charlie built

00:36:28.740 but also what's left

00:36:30.260 of the conservative movement.

00:36:31.860 A movement

00:36:32.380 that is the only thing

00:36:33.800 standing

00:36:34.460 between Western civilization

00:36:36.140 and the forces

00:36:37.320 that wish

00:36:37.720 to tear it down

00:36:38.540 brick by brick.

00:36:42.120 That's the reason

00:36:43.100 sociopaths 0.62

00:36:43.940 like Tyler Robinson

00:36:44.760 are smiling right now.

00:36:47.480 They know they're winning.

00:36:48.720 And we cannot let them.

00:36:51.840 Which means

00:36:52.520 we all must return

00:36:53.660 to the facts,

00:36:54.520 to the truth

00:36:55.200 and our defense of it.

00:36:58.540 Which is the mission

00:36:59.580 that Charlie lived for

00:37:00.600 and died for.

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The Matt Walsh Show - December 12, 2025

Ep. 1706 - Why I Don’t Buy The Charlie Kirk Conspiracy Theories

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