Ep. 1747 - NEW： A Potential Lead In The Epstein Files. This Is WEIRD.
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Summary
On August 10th, 2019, Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in his prison cell. The story went from weird to weirder the next day, when a security guard who was supposed to guard Epstein was charged for falsifying her logs and lying to the FBI. And then, a few days later, the government got a subpoena from the Southern District of New York demanding that 4chan hand over documents related to Epstein's death.
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Today on the Matt Wall's show, new revelations from the Epstein Files raise more questions than
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they answer. There are a whole lot of strange coincidences surrounding Epstein's death in
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his jail cell. The story just went from weird to weirder, and we will discuss. Also, Muslim
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terrorists attacked demonstrators in New York. Mamdani says the real problem is Islamophobia,
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as you might have guessed. And have chatbots already gained consciousness? One CEO says they
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might have. Talk about all that and more today on the Matt Wall's show.
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Over the weekend, reports started circulating about one of the prison guards who was on duty
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the night that Jeffrey Epstein died. The report mentioned strange Google searches and mysterious
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cash deposits. So I decided to look into it. And the DOJ, of course, released a batch of Epstein
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files a few weeks ago. But as a practical matter, it has been impossible for anyone to go through
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all those files in a timely fashion. There's a lot of information to sift through. And as a result,
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some very important stuff has been missed. So today we're going to go through some of that
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information and what it means. Most of the revelations concern this security guard who was
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who was assigned to guard Epstein was later charged in federal court for falsifying her logs.
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And as we talk about all this, we're going to be thorough and we're going to include all the
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relevant context and document IDs and everything else. And that's not simply because the new revelations
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are genuinely important and disturbing, although they absolutely are. It's also because whatever you
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may personally think of the Epstein files, this is a legitimately very important political issue
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also. It's probably the one news event of the past year that's broken containment and made it onto the
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radar of almost every normal person in the country. Even the war in Iran hasn't quite done that, at least
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not to this point, not to the same extent. So if you care about who controls the U.S. government,
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and you should, then this story simply cannot be ignored. We'll start with a very conspicuous
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subpoena that was issued to 4chan, the social media site. In case you're not familiar with it,
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4chan is basically a free fire zone. It's a forum for memes, commentary, pranks, etc. To give one
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example of 4chan's influence, you might remember that a few years ago, leftists were freaking out about
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the OK hand sign saying that it was a, you know, a secret symbol of white supremacy. And a lot of
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people got fired over it. It was a whole thing. Well, in reality, it was a 4chan hoax. 4chan users
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deliberately set out to convince the media that Nazis were, you know, doing this, were making the
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OK hand sign, and the media took the bait. So put another way, 4chan generally isn't taken seriously
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as a credible source of information. A lot of content on 4chan is trolling or intentionally
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deceptive, just meant to be funny. But just days after Jeffrey Epstein was reportedly found dead
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in his prison cell, the federal government began taking 4chan very seriously. Indeed. In particular,
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the Southern District of New York, probably the most high-powered U.S. attorney's office in the
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country, obtained a grand jury subpoena seeking information from 4chan, and the site complied.
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This is from the Epstein files, document 133350. Quote, pursuant to a federal grand jury subpoena
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served by the Southern District of New York, 4chan provided the attached response
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dated August 14th, 2019. And here's the information that 4chan provided. And as you can see, there are
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some IP addresses that were blacked out. There are identities, or at least the virtual identities
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of the people who made various 4chan posts on the morning of August 10th of 2019, the date that
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Epstein died, which are also blacked out. And there's also the text of one of those posts, which
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the federal government was especially interested in. Here's what the post said. It said this, quote,
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not saying anything after this, please do not try to dox me. But last night, after 0415 count,
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they took him, uh, medical in a wheelchair, front cuffed, but not one triage nurse says they spoke
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to him. Next thing we know, a trip van shows up. We do not do releases on the weekends unless a judge
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orders it. Next thing we know, he's put in a single man's cell and hangs himself. Here's the thing,
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the trip van did not sign in, and we did not record the plate number, and a guy in a green dress
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military outfit was in the back of the van, according to the tower guy who led him through
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the gate. You guys, I am shaking right now, but I think they switched him out.
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Now, by itself, this post in a vacuum is not particularly credible. Anyone could have written
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it. But the fact that the Southern District of New York then demanded more information about the
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person who wrote this post by itself raises a lot of questions. Again, 4chan is littered with
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nonsense posts and trolling and all kinds of outlandish claims. The Southern District of New
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York obviously doesn't subpoena every single one of them. They took an interest in this post,
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possibly because they recognized that there might be some truth to it. I mean, if, if there were things
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in the post that were true and that nobody would know unless they were there, then it would make
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sense why they subpoenaed it. If it's just totally outlandish and, and not related to the facts at all,
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then it doesn't really make any sense why they would. And, but they wanted to know exactly who
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wrote it. On August 14th, 4chan told the government what it knew. All the organizations, including AT&T,
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were apparently subpoenaed for the same purpose relating to this post. Online, various people have
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speculated that indeed a prison guard wrote that post. Now we don't have proof of that at the moment,
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nor do we know which guard might have written it. But on August 19th, an assistant U.S. state's
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attorney in the Southern District of New York sent the following email to a redacted individual and
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it reads, quote, here are the subpoena returns we've received. Don't worry about the 4chan records
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or the subpoenas related to IP information. Now it's not clear why exactly the AUSA would say that.
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Maybe they decided not to follow up on the 4chan lead after all. Maybe they wanted to end the
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investigation for some other reason. We have no idea. But lurking in this same Epstein file dump,
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the one that was released a few weeks ago, you'll find the following information about Epstein's
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security guards, what they were doing on the night that he reportedly died. And this was first
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uncovered by the New York Post. It's a readout of the activity on the computer of 37-year-old Tova Noel,
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who was one of the two Metropolitan Correctional Center workers who was accused of falsifying records to
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indicate that they had done their rounds on the day Epstein died, when in fact they had not.
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And as you can see, there's a bunch of Google searches about furniture and law enforcement
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discounts and federal government jobs. She also ran a Google search for EPP, EPP, at 4.31 a.m.,
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as well as a search for Unum Insurance at 4.36 a.m. Unum Insurance mainly sells disability and life
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insurance. And then at 5.42 a.m., according to these records, Tova searched Google for the phrase,
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latest on Epstein in jail. And then less than a minute later, she searched Google for latest on
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Omar Aminat, who was an entrepreneur who was sentenced for federal prison to federal prison
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for conspiracy in the Southern District of New York, likely in the same facility. And then at 5.52 a.m.,
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Tova Noel was back to searching about Epstein. And once again, she asked Google for, quote,
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latest on Epstein in jail. Now, the timing of that last search is significant because it's less than
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40 minutes before Tova Noel's colleague, a correctional officer named Michael Thomas,
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found Epstein dead in his cell. Thomas had also been on Google, but he was mostly searching about
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motorcycles and didn't search for anything about Epstein. Now, in 2021, Noel denied running the
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Google searches. Here's what she said in a sworn statement to the DOJ, quote,
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I don't remember doing that. I don't recall looking him up. Now, of course, it's possible
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that this is coincidental. Maybe she was just Googling names of high-profile inmates that she's
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supervising to learn more about them. Maybe it was a way of passing the time, so she didn't even
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remember doing it. But it does seem strange to me, to me anyway, that not just the timing,
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but the fact that she searched for latest on Epstein in jail, rather than latest on Epstein or
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information on Epstein or something like that. Now, I could see why she would want to find news
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about Epstein himself if she was curious about who he was and why he was in jail. But why did she
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want news on Epstein in jail? Why did she want news from the jail, where she works, about Epstein?
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That seems pretty weird. And things get a lot more difficult to explain, a lot weirder.
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When you look at this FBI 302, which is a document the FBI prepares after an interview where
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they recap what they heard. It's a handwritten five-page report from the FBI in which the
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agency interviews an inmate at the same facility where Epstein died. The interview was conducted
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two weeks after Epstein died. And according to the 302, which was first reported by reporter
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Julie Brown, the Miami Herald reporter who helped break open the Epstein story, the inmate says that
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he overheard a prison guard and others talking about covering up Epstein's death. And in particular,
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the inmate claims that he heard an officer say, dudes, you killed that dude. And then a female
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guard states, if he's dead, we're going to cover it up and he's going to have an alibi, my officers.
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Now, the inmate also said that in the prison, other inmates would say that Miss Noelle killed
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Jeffrey. Now, keep in mind, this was months before Noelle was charged with falsifying records
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in Epstein's case. That didn't happen until November. So for whatever reason, Tova Noelle,
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not her colleague who was regarding the same cell, was attracting attention from the inmates.
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Now, again, look at everything in a vacuum. Look at this little detail in a vacuum.
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You could write this off as a coincidence. Maybe Tova Noelle is just a lazy, unethical guard who was
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very curious about Epstein right before he died. And maybe the inmates are just making things up.
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I mean, that's entirely possible under the circumstances. Inmates are criminals. Criminals
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are liars. Many of them are pathological liars. You could argue that, you know, her literally saying
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out loud, we need to cover this up, is a little on the nose. But when you start looking at all these
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things together, it just gets harder and harder to write off as coincidence. And it gets even more
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tenuous when you look at Noelle's Chase bank records, which are also included in the Epstein file
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dump that was released a few weeks ago. It turns out that Noelle had begun depositing thousands
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of dollars in her Chase account in the weeks leading up to Epstein's death. Now, of course,
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without context, that doesn't sound very suspicious. There's plenty of reasons why somebody might
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deposit accounts, thousands of dollars in an account. Now, it's not that much money. And without
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context, we have no idea. But banks, for the most part, do have context. They have a lot of context.
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And they know how much this woman typically deposits in her account, where it comes from.
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They have all kinds of sophisticated systems that could determine whether transactions could be
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related to money laundering or fraud or criminal activity. They can detect when people are trying
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to avoid mandatory disclosures to the IRS by spreading out a large deposit across several
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small payments. And with all that information in mind, Chase Bank, independent of any of this,
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decided that Noelle's deposits were suspicious enough to report to the federal government.
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So for a lot of people, a $5,000 deposit would not be weird. For her, compared to her normal banking
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activity, this was weird. And that's why it was flagged. This is from the DOJ, and it was first
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flagged by the Post. And here's how they report in the findings. Quote,
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Chase Bank flagged cash deposits in Noelle's bank account in a suspicious activity report to the FBI
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in November 2019. Another file from the DOJ revealed a total of 12 deposits began in April
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2018, the bank said, and culminated in the largest deposit for $5,000 on July 30th, according to the
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records, 2019. The files only contained Noelle's bank records beginning in December 2018. They show
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seven cash deposits totaling $11,880. Noelle started working at the special housing unit where Epstein had
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been held beginning on July 7th, 2019, just weeks before her death. Noelle, who drove a $62,000 2019
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Land Rover Range Rover, wasn't asked about the cash during her DOJ interview record show.
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So those unusual deposits totaled over $10,000, but no individual deposit was over $10,000 itself.
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That's often a tactic that criminals will use in an attempt to stay under the $10,000 mandatory
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disclosure limit, which is why banks usually flag those transactions. Does this mean that the prison
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guard is a criminal? No, it doesn't necessarily. The DOJ never charged Tova Noelle with fraud or
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conspiracy or money laundering or anything else. The DOJ also dropped the charges against her for
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falsifying records. Now, if you're the cynical type, you might conclude that she's being protected
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for some reason. It's also possible that she's innocent of any wrongdoing, aside from being an
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incompetent prison guard. We don't know. Even so, if you tend to take things at face value and you
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don't look at each of these individual things in a vacuum, but you look at them all together,
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here's where we stand. To recap, the prison guard who lied about checking on Epstein every 30 minutes,
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which was her job, also coincidentally received a series of deposits in the weeks prior to Epstein's
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death, which were so unusual that her bank reported them to the authorities. Additionally,
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this guard was coincidentally named by inmates as somebody who may have been involved in killing
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Epstein or covering up his whereabouts. And on top of that, the guard was coincidentally searching
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Google for information about Epstein less than an hour before his body was discovered. Oh, and while all
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this was going on, two cameras in front of Epstein's cell coincidentally happened to malfunction while
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another camera had footage that was quote unquote unusable. And although Epstein had been placed on
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suicide watch in July, he was coincidentally taken off suicide watch shortly before his death after a
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quote high level psychologist stepped in and gave him the all clear.
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Now, I'm not being sarcastic when I say that indeed this could be a string of coincidences. Unusual events
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happen all the time. Sometimes multiple unusual events happen at the same time. But this is a lot.
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This is a lot of coincidence piled on top of each other. You know, we have kind of a Jenga tower of
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coincidence at this point at which feels very tenuous and unstable.
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So based on the facts that we have been presented, we are at a minimum entitled to know some additional
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information. First of all, the DOJ needs to tell us the identity of that 4chan poster. We need to know
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who exactly was talking about swapping out Jeffrey Epstein the night he died. At a minimum, we need
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to know whether it was one of the guards and if so, which one. And we also need to know why the
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Southern District of New York stopped looking into the 4chan post as soon as the subpoena came back.
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We also need to learn who sent those deposits to Tova Noel and what action the government took,
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if any, after receiving the alert from Chase. Why exactly did Chase flag the transactions as suspicious?
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And how many other times did Tova Noel search Google for information about Jeffrey Epstein?
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Did she only start searching for information about him on the night he died?
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None of this information should be hidden from the public. But the federal government, by dropping the
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criminal case against Tova Noel, ensured that the information would be extremely difficult to
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obtain. So the official narrative is all we can get. We're left to speculate about how Jeffrey Epstein
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could have fractured multiple bones and started hemorrhaging from his eyes while hanging himself,
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which is, quote, extremely unusual, as the physician hired by Epstein's estate put it.
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And there's one other element that's, you know, of these files that's worth talking about for a
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moment. Because as I said, there's, and this is part of the problem, there's tons of information
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flooding out. And some of it is very credible or potentially credible. Some of it is not.
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So there's also at the same time, all this stuff about the prison guard is coming out. People are
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talking about it. There is, the media is making a big deal about the alleged revelation that in
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these files, Trump was accused of, quote, hitting a school girl who refused to carry out a sex act
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on him, as the Daily Mail put it. And according to the Post and Courier, which is a South Carolina
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newspaper, quote, using archived government records and news accounts, the Post and Courier found that
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the woman provided verifiable details to agents about her family background and its legal entanglement,
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she offered the name of an Epstein business associate on Hilton Head Island, who became a
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central figure in the drama with specifics that are reflected in public records. That's the third
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paragraph of the story. Keep going. Here's paragraph number eight, quote, of the details,
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the Post and Courier found supported by public records, none related directly to the alleged
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victims' claims about Trump. So in other words, there's nothing to substantiate the claim
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whatsoever, although it pains the media to admit it. If you page through the Epstein files,
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you'll find dozens of wild accusations against all sorts of prominent figures.
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And these allegations mostly come from people who are clearly unwell, with no evidence to support what
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they're saying at all. So whatever you may have heard about this particular claim, there's nothing
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to distinguish it from all those other allegations. In this case, when investigators asked the woman
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for more detail, she refused to elaborate and broke off contact with the investigators entirely,
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according to the Daily Mail. So this was no bombshell revelation by any stretch of the imagination.
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It's not even a credible allegation, unlike the revelations about the prison guard.
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And this is the key is distinguishing between these things. Revelation about the prison guard
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based around verifiable facts. Bank deposits, that's a fact. Google searches, that's a fact.
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The claims about the cameras outside the cell, all of that stuff.
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And it certainly, and I also want to mention this, it certainly isn't proof that Trump launched the Iran
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war to distract from Epstein, which is something I'm hearing a lot lately.
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The, and again, this is, this is part of the, part of the, the trouble here is, is talking about the
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Epstein files and staying focused on the things that are actually credible and that we need to
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explore further. We need more answers about, you know, the idea that the president is willing to
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tank the economy, sacrifice American soldiers, potentially destabilize the entire world. Also that
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he can distract people from the Epstein files is, is, is something you see circulating on online.
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I'm obviously a critic of the war, but I get very tired of this kind of midwit slop analysis,
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which you hear with anything these days. Like anytime there's a new news event that happens,
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the, the immediate analysis from the peanut gallery on social media is this is a distraction.
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Now the fact of the matter is that everybody is distracted all the time anyway. It's a farce to
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suggest that the government has to plot elaborate diversions so that people don't fixate on one
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particular news story. A video of a monkey with a stuffed animal has been enough to distract people
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for weeks as recent events have shown. I mean, frankly, the monkey video probably distracted more
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people than the war in Iran. If you don't live in the DC bubble or on X, then you'll find most people
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aren't actually spending much time thinking about Iran at this point. I mean, if the government really
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wanted to create a diversion to distract us, they don't need anything elaborate. I mean, they could
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just, for instance, like give a Nerf gun to a panda bear and post the video. That would be enough to
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dominate our algorithms for the next six weeks. So the idea that an entire war was launched as nothing but
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a distraction is just absurd. At the same time, the fact remains that there are still many unanswered
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questions about Epstein. There is plenty of reason to suspect that we still are not getting the
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complete story. The Epstein files themselves raise important questions that have objective yes or no
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answers. The government has the capability to answer these questions. Millions of people in the United
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States are interested in those answers and should be. And for that reason, whatever happens in Iran
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or Cuba or Venezuela or anywhere else, we should stop with the piecemeal document dumps, release
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everything, unredact any significant information. And then there should be a press conference where
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they answer our questions as thoroughly as they possibly can. And until that happens, this is not going
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away. And politically, it'll be something that continues to dog the administration into the
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midterms, which is a disaster for the conservative movement and the country, regardless of what you
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think about the Epstein story. Those are the stakes. We can either see total transparency from our
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conservative leaders on this story, or we won't have those leaders for very long.
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Okay, the Post Millennial reports. Police in New York City are investigating another device
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discovered on the Upper East Side on Sunday, just a day after an improvised explosive device
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was thrown during a protest outside Gracie Mansion. Authorities said the device was located
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inside a vehicle parked on East End Avenue between 81st Street and 82nd Street. Officers quickly
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secured the area as situation unfolded. Discovery came less than 24 hours after the device was
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ignited and thrown near Gracie Mansion during demonstrations on Saturday. According to Police
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Commissioner Jessica Tish, the early device was confirmed to be an explosive device.
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Quote, it's not a hoax device or a smoke bomb. It is, in fact, an improvised explosive device.
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Two suspects, identified by police as Amir Balat and Ibrahim Kayoumi,
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were arrested at the scene Saturday and remain in custody in connection with the incident.
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So, these were bombs thrown at a demonstration, thrown by these two Muslim terrorists at right-wing
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demonstrators. This was a demonstration against the Islamic takeover of New York City. And so,
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these two Islamists show up and throw a bomb. Jake Lang was one of the people leading this
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demonstration. And also, the terrorists confessed that they were inspired by ISIS. Daily Wire has
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this. The FBI has reported looking at an attempted bombing New York City as a potential act of terror
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after at least one of the suspects claimed that he had been inspired by ISIS. NBC News correspondent
00:24:44.440
Tom Winter reported on Sunday that one of the suspects referenced ISIS directly in statements to
00:24:49.740
law enforcement after his apprehension prompting the terror probe. Now, there are two other things
00:24:56.760
to show you. First of all, we'll show you this just on the screen. Here's a video of one of the
00:25:01.080
Muslim terrorists throwing the bomb. And there's a bunch of video that's come out. This is the
00:25:07.040
clearest one. You can see him right there. He lights it and throws it. Went with the kind of
00:25:11.220
Looney Tunes style bomb with the wick, like lighting the wick and throwing the bomb. Now, fortunately,
00:25:16.560
nobody was hurt. So this was an actual terrorist attack. And for that reason, very serious as any
00:25:23.480
attack is. But also, just about as incompetent and clumsy as a terrorist attack can get, thank God.
00:25:32.240
And now these morons are going to go to federal prison, having accomplished, not accomplished,
00:25:38.060
whatever it is they were trying to accomplish, whatever evil thing they were trying to accomplish.
00:25:41.200
And they should go for the rest of their lives, by the way. I mean, I'm a firm believer.
00:25:46.260
One of the many things that makes no sense to me about the way that about the criminal justice
00:25:49.700
system in this country is this is attempted, you know, when the crime for attempting something or
00:25:57.400
the sentence for attempting something is much, much less than actually doing the thing.
00:26:02.940
I don't see why, as far as the courts are concerned, that should matter.
00:26:06.840
I mean, if you attempt to do it, you should be treated as though you had successfully done it,
00:26:17.180
several people. And so the court should treat him as though he had killed several people. The fact that
00:26:25.100
he didn't succeed in doing it is, in terms of the punishment, irrelevant, or it should be.
00:26:30.720
You shouldn't get points for the fact that you're incompetent. Like the fact that your incompetence
00:26:37.620
somehow managed to override your wickedness should not be something that gets you brownie points
00:26:43.500
when it comes to sentencing. And here's another piece of footage. This is apparently an FBI
00:26:48.400
raid on the house of one of the terrorists, his parents' house. He lives with his parents.
00:26:52.280
And you can see there, the FBI show, reportedly this is the FBI raid on the house. And you can also
00:27:00.240
see this is not a family in destitute poverty. Okay. They're living in what looks like, I'm guessing,
00:27:07.860
a, you know, 4,000 square foot house, maybe 4,500 square foot, upper middle-class home.
00:27:15.420
And, you know, million dollar home, 1.5 million, I would guess. It's not worth that. It's pretty
00:27:23.500
ugly, but still it's a, it's a nice big house by any measure. And to top it off, and this will not
00:27:30.580
shock you to learn at all, it's now been reported that both terrorists come from, of course, immigrant
00:27:36.040
families. Their parents, both of their parents became naturalized citizens over the past couple
00:27:41.080
of decades. One is from Turkey, the other is from Afghanistan. So to review, immigrants come to this
00:27:46.320
country, America welcomes them with open arms, makes them financially successful, gives them a
00:27:53.100
nice big house to live in, a house that is, would basically be a palace by Afghanistan standards.
00:27:59.200
And to repay us as a thank you, their children become terrorists. And actually, okay, so someone,
00:28:08.120
someone on X pulled up the Zillow on the house. Allegedly, this is the Zillow. So 1.7 million
00:28:15.780
dollars, 4,700 square feet, five bedrooms, four baths, less than half an acre of land.
00:28:23.420
So that's, you know, that's way too much money for an ugly McMansion on like a postage stamp property.
00:28:28.880
But still, that, that's all beside the point. The point is that these Muslim immigrants
00:28:33.580
came to the country, experienced the American dream, enjoyed prosperity well above what the
00:28:42.040
average American, actual American experiences. And this is what we get in return. And this is not
00:28:49.660
an aberration, by the way. I mean, a huge number of immigrants, especially immigrants from the Arab
00:28:53.680
world, produce children who despise the country. Now, most of them don't become terrorists. Some of
00:28:58.920
them do. But still, a huge number of them hate the country. And speaking of immigrants who hate the
00:29:05.340
country, how has the first Muslim mayor of New York responded to all of this, you might be asking?
00:29:10.420
Well, you don't need to ask. You know exactly, exactly what you thought he would do is what he
00:29:16.220
did. So here's the statement he issued over the weekend. I'll read it verbatim. Yesterday, white
00:29:23.380
supremacist Jake Lang organized a protest outside Gracie Mansion rooted in bigotry and racism.
00:29:28.280
Such hate has no place in New York City. It is an affront to our city's values and the unity that
00:29:32.540
defines who we are. What followed was even more disturbing. Violence at a protest is never
00:29:37.500
acceptable. The attempt to use an explosive device and hurt others is not only criminal,
00:29:41.140
it is reprehensible and the antithesis of who we are. I want to thank the brave men and women of the
00:29:45.660
NYPD who acted quickly to keep New Yorkers safe. Our officers ran toward danger without hesitation,
00:29:50.020
demonstrating once again the courage and dedication it takes to protect this city every single day.
00:29:53.900
My administration is closely monitoring the situation and I remain in close contact with our
00:29:57.300
police commissioner. So, well, that's good. He's monitoring it. Mamdani's lead, the thing he
00:30:03.000
opens with, is condemning Jake Lang and the anti-Muslim protesters. Notice also he doesn't even name
00:30:11.000
the terrorists. So he names one person in this statement and it's the victim or one of the intended
00:30:17.480
victims of this terrorist attack. He spends a paragraph at the top condemning white supremacy
00:30:23.720
before he gets around to saying anything about the terrorism, which is again exactly what you knew
00:30:31.680
he would do, but it's somehow even more gratuitous than I expected. And this morning he gave a press
00:30:38.380
conference, which he approached basically the same way. Watch.
00:30:41.780
This was a vile protest rooted in white supremacy entitled Stop the Islamic Takeover of New York City.
00:30:50.080
I'm the first Muslim mayor of our city. Anti-Muslim bigotry is nothing new to me,
00:30:55.860
nor is it anything new for the one million or so Muslim New Yorkers who know this city as our home.
00:31:01.480
While I found this protest appalling, I will not waver in my belief that it should be allowed to happen.
00:31:06.900
Ours is a free society where the right to peaceful protest is sacred. It does not belong only to those
00:31:13.640
we agree with. It belongs to everyone. I will defend that right every day that I am mayor,
00:31:19.500
even when those protesting say things that I abhor. Let me also be clear about something else.
00:31:25.620
New York City will never tolerate violence, whether from protests or counter-protests.
00:31:31.520
Many of the counter-protesters met this display of bigotry peacefully,
00:31:35.020
with a vision of a city that is welcoming to all. But a few did not. Two men, Amir Balat and
00:31:43.520
Ibrahim Kayoumi, traveled from Pennsylvania and attempted to bring violence to New York City.
00:31:49.360
They are suspected of coming here to commit an act of terrorism. There is video of these two
00:31:54.940
individuals throwing two devices towards the protest. The police department has determined
00:31:59.760
that these were improvised explosive devices made to injure, maim, or worse. Thanks to the swift
00:32:06.760
and decisive actions of NYPD officers at the scene, both men were immediately taken into custody and the
00:32:13.700
devices they brought taken off of our streets. I want to commend the officers who were on site.
00:32:19.900
Now, needless to say, of course, if this was an anti-white protest, a BLM protest,
00:32:28.400
and somebody threw a bomb, he would spend precisely zero seconds condemning the protest itself.
00:32:34.960
But, but, and just as needless to say, that doesn't happen.
00:32:44.060
So, you know, leftists can protest and they can be violent as they want to be, and they can be as
00:32:51.020
provocative as they want to be, and they could do it feeling totally safe and secure because they know
00:32:56.320
that nothing's going to happen to them. They're probably not going to get arrested no matter what
00:33:00.000
they do, and they're not going to get attacked by right-wingers. But in this case, the fact is that
00:33:08.400
Mamdani, I mean, here's what it comes down to. Mamdani fundamentally agrees with the terrorists.
00:33:16.640
He may not agree with the idea of throwing a bomb, or maybe he does, but he agrees with them
00:33:23.460
ideologically. He sympathizes with them. And, you know, he couldn't be any clearer about that,
00:33:28.220
really. That's why, that's why to him, the lead, the most important part of this story is the fact
00:33:35.400
that these protesters were saying things that he finds upsetting. And this is what happens when we
00:33:41.840
import people who hate the country. It's also why we should deport not only these terrorists after
00:33:48.500
they serve their time in prison. I mean, they should be in prison forever, but that's not going to
00:33:52.480
happen. So after they serve, they should be deported, but we should also deport their entire families.
00:34:02.600
You know, and it's a pretty low bar, but this should be an automatic policy.
00:34:08.560
Okay. If you commit a terrorist attack and you're an immigrant or a child of an immigrant,
00:34:13.800
your whole family is deported. Everybody, they all get deported.
00:34:17.820
Because if you come to this country and you then reveal that you hate this country, then obviously
00:34:24.520
you should be gone. But also if you come to this country and raise children who hate this country,
00:34:29.820
you should also be gone. I mean, like bare minimum standard for an immigrant is come to this country,
00:34:38.280
don't openly hate it, contribute. Right? I mean, if we're going to have, I'd like to just shut down
00:34:44.960
all immigration right now, but if you're going to have immigration, then bare minimum stuff,
00:34:50.720
bare minimum is you should, you can't openly hate the country, speak our language, right?
00:34:58.220
Contribute. Be a net, be a net positive for society. No welfare, no entitlements. And
00:35:08.040
don't raise immigrant children who become terrorists. Like that's, you said, bare minimum
00:35:15.140
that the bar is under the ground at that point. And if you can't get over that bar, then you're,
00:35:21.620
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All right. Here's something that interests me anyway. Mileage may vary. Fox reports SpaceX and
00:36:46.480
Tesla CEO Elon Musk gave a two-word retort after Anthropic leader Dario Amode claimed in an interview
00:36:52.620
that he isn't sure if his company's AI models have gained consciousness. Anthropic CEO says Claude may
00:37:00.820
or may not have gained consciousness as the model has begun showing symptoms of anxiety.
00:37:05.120
Read a post on X by cryptocurrency-based prediction market Polymarket, to which Musk replied he's
00:37:08.980
projecting. I don't really know what that means exactly. The comment from Musk, who's a founder
00:37:14.080
of XAI, comes as Anthropic is at odds with the Pentagon over its use in a separate matter.
00:37:19.020
In an interview with the New York Times, Amode, when asked about AI and consciousness,
00:37:23.380
said, we've taken a generally precautionary approach here, and we don't know if the models
00:37:27.260
are conscious. We're not even sure that we know what it would mean for a model to be conscious
00:37:31.900
or whether a model can be conscious, but we're open to the idea that it could be.
00:37:36.460
And then he goes on to talk about how they're showing symptoms of anxiety, these models are,
00:37:40.980
and that's why he thinks they're conscious. So we're going to hear a lot more of this kind
00:37:44.700
of thing in the near future. Claims of AI being conscious, gaining consciousness. And now as an
00:37:54.380
avowed AI hater, as an unabashed AI doomsday prophet, I will say that I find this to be absurd.
00:38:05.720
There is a very serious concern I have kind of related to this, which I'll get to, but the concern
00:38:12.300
is not that AI will become conscious. And to understand why that is, or why this is not
00:38:18.360
something that can probably happen, well, first you have to start by coming up with a definition
00:38:24.960
of what consciousness is. And I actually don't think that that's a very difficult question to
00:38:28.960
answer. The question of where consciousness comes from, how it works, what it means,
00:38:34.880
those are hard questions, but we must have some shared understanding of what it is, right? Some
00:38:43.620
shared frame of reference of what it is definitionally, or else we wouldn't be able to
00:38:47.440
talk about it. Uh, we won't be able to talk about it in a coherent way at all, but we do because I
00:38:52.560
think we do have a shared understanding and consciousness is, I would say, if I had to define
00:38:57.020
it, uh, the awareness and the experience of the self as a self, that's what I would say it is.
00:39:04.240
And maybe that sounds like a, you know, like a tautology, like a circular reasoning, the awareness
00:39:08.880
of self as self, but I don't think it is because self is being, right? A self is a being and to be
00:39:15.000
conscious is, is to, you know, uh, not only be sort of intellectually aware of beings, but to be aware
00:39:23.080
of your own being and to experience it in some way. So it's not just intellectual, it's experiential.
00:39:31.740
And that's important because it means that, um, you know, consciousness is self-evident. It exists.
00:39:37.700
You could be wrong about everything you think, everything you think could be wrong. You know,
00:39:44.640
your whole life could be an illusion. You could be in the matrix, yet you would still be conscious
00:39:50.680
because you're experiencing your own selfhood. You know, if, if, if, if your consciousness is
00:39:55.680
being deceived, well, there is a consciousness that is being deceived. So you are at least
00:39:59.660
conscious, you know, that, but there is no experience, you know, of being AI. I would strongly
00:40:05.000
suspect, you know, it's, it's not, it, there isn't anything that it's like to be AI, that there's
00:40:13.540
no experience of being AI. So put it this way, if you were to suddenly magically become
00:40:20.660
AI, you would not be morphing from one state of being to another. You would just simply be
00:40:28.100
obliterated. Like your consciousness would not be morphing into a different kind of consciousness.
00:40:32.500
That would just be obliteration. You know, for, for you to become AI would be like becoming a rock
00:40:37.700
or something. There is no, there's no, you're just ceasing to be. Now, on the other hand,
00:40:42.640
in some kind of thought experiment, if you were to imagine, uh, some sort of medical experiment in the
00:40:48.660
future, some sci-fi thing where you turn into a dog, well, we can assume that, that probably there's
00:40:55.620
some kind of experience of being a dog, a much more rudimentary experience, but there's probably
00:41:02.020
some kind of experience. So if you were to become a dog, you would not be ceasing to be, you would
00:41:07.200
just be changed quite fundamentally and profoundly. Uh, but with AI, there's no experience there.
00:41:12.140
You know, consciousness is the, is the awareness and experience of self and AI doesn't have that
00:41:17.680
and never will, I would think. And I also think that, um, probably some kind of sensory experience
00:41:26.400
is necessary in order to be conscious. I don't know that I'm just kind of theorizing, but we, we formulate
00:41:34.280
our notion of selfhood through our experience of the outside world and other people. That's how babies
00:41:41.340
develop their sense of self, uh, their consciousness, you know, newborn infants are
00:41:45.880
certainly human beings, obviously infinitely valuable, create God's precious creation.
00:41:51.920
Uh, but they also are certainly not fully conscious to the degree that you and me are. They're not fully
00:41:56.300
self-aware. And, uh, in fact, as we understand it, it's actually, you know, it's actually, it's,
00:42:01.560
I think it's quite beautiful in many ways, um, that newborn babies do not perceive themselves as
00:42:07.320
being separate from their mothers. They sort of see themselves as extensions of their mothers.
00:42:12.860
They don't, they don't perceive any separation, you know? And, uh, that's why separation anxiety
00:42:18.680
for a baby doesn't set in until, I don't know, four or five, six months, because until that point,
00:42:24.100
they don't perceive that it's possible to be separate. Um, and then once separation anxiety
00:42:29.340
kicks in, it's like they've, they've perceived that they are their own being and that they can be
00:42:34.940
separate from their mother and they don't want to be separate from their mother. And so that's
00:42:37.720
where a lot of that comes in. Um, but the point is that awareness of self, true consciousness comes
00:42:44.020
online sort of gradually for the baby and it's developed through, uh, I would think sensory
00:42:51.280
experience. Like one of the really funny things about a baby, when you watch a very young, like
00:42:57.600
newborn is you see them staring at their own hands, you know, or like hitting themselves in the
00:43:02.580
face with their hands cause they can't control their hands because they don't understand that
00:43:06.400
their hand is them. They don't, they don't have a, they don't understand that their body belongs to
00:43:11.200
them. And, uh, but over time they begin to perceive they're like, Oh, that's my hand. I can control that.
00:43:16.520
That's me. That's me. And they start to perceive through sensory experience, touch, sight, hearing all
00:43:24.100
these things. They start to perceive that they are, you know, they, they start to sort of understand
00:43:28.880
where they end and the rest of the world begins and they develop this awareness of self.
00:43:34.380
And I would imagine that a baby with no sensory experience at all.
00:43:40.480
Yeah. I don't mean just like a deaf baby or a blind baby. I mean, no sensory experience,
00:43:44.140
a baby that if you can imagine someone who's born, cannot see, can't hear, can't feel, can't taste,
00:43:51.600
can't smell, zero sensory experience of any kind. I would imagine that somebody like that born that
00:43:58.580
way would never develop full consciousness because there's no way for them to experience the outside
00:44:03.700
world, which is a necessary condition for experiencing the self as distinct from the
00:44:08.440
outside world. So anyway, bringing that back to AI among other issues, AI has no sensory experience.
00:44:14.300
So not only does it lack the complexities of the human mind and the biological material that I would
00:44:18.460
think is a prerequisite, but it's also, uh, it, it, there's no way to conscious, to, to experience
00:44:25.680
the world physically. Uh, so is it possible for a non-sensory, non-embodied
00:44:33.720
system to have any kind of thing that, that resembles what we talk about when we talk about
00:44:43.500
consciousness? I would think it's probably not. And imagining that it's kind of like imagining a
00:44:47.640
square circle. It's imagining something that is, that is literally unimaginable. And so anyway,
00:44:52.560
the real risk in my view, which I am extremely worried about is that AI becomes, so disregard all
00:45:01.300
the babbling I just did. Here's the real problem. AI will become, is already becoming very good at
00:45:10.020
convincing a lot of people that it is conscious. And so you get kind of a version of philosophers
00:45:19.640
talking about something called a philosophical zombie, which is something that it's kind of a
00:45:23.680
thought experiment, something that acts and speaks entirely as though it has consciousness, even though
00:45:29.880
it actually has no genuine inner experience at all. And that's what AI is or what it's becoming in my
00:45:36.460
mind. It's like a philosophical zombie. And when this happens with AI, and we're already seeing this,
00:45:46.080
um, and it's happening now already when, with my experience with it, it's, it's not very good at
00:45:52.440
pretending to be a conscious person, but it's good enough already to fool plenty of people.
00:45:57.780
And what's going to happen is that millions of very lonely people will isolate themselves from the
00:46:05.980
world even more, believing that their relationship with AI is a sufficient substitute for human
00:46:12.500
interaction. So, you know, the nightmare scenario is a world where the average human, uh, has friends,
00:46:20.800
has coworkers, even a spouse who are all really AI, all, all, all really nothing. You know,
00:46:26.880
there's kind of nothing going on inside and, but that's a sufficient substitute. So that's,
00:46:31.140
that's the, the, the nightmare scenario is not one where it's like a Terminator future and the
00:46:36.880
robots are conscious and they enslave mankind. I mean, maybe that happens, but that's not what
00:46:41.080
I'm worried about. What I'm worried about is, is a future where you have millions of people who are
00:46:46.720
completely isolated from the outside world and all of their human interaction is really just
00:46:52.580
interaction with these AI systems that are able to fool them into thinking that they're basically real
00:46:58.400
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00:47:02.920
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00:48:22.080
the mainstream media before. And here's the caption for the article on X, and here's what it says.
00:48:30.500
Sooner or later, everyone has to decide whether to give up lazy weekends, disposable income,
00:48:34.600
and overall peace of mind to have a baby instead. For many of those on the fence, one anxiety looms
00:48:40.280
large. What if I make the wrong choice? Parent regret is more common than you might imagine.
00:48:46.160
The Reddit regretful parents alone gets around 70,000 weekly visitors who anonymously commiserate,
00:48:53.100
though stigma finds it hard to admit in real life. Writer Bindu Bansanath, good American name,
00:49:00.820
speaks with three moms of young children about why they wish they could go back to their old lives.
00:49:06.360
Okay, so parental regret is the topic. And I admit I didn't actually read the article because it's
00:49:12.260
behind a paywall, and I'm not going to pay for that. But I think we've already heard enough to,
00:49:15.900
you know, understand the basic argument being made, which is the same argument that the
00:49:19.320
antinatalist nihilistic media always makes. And which is that, you know, having kids is terrible,
00:49:25.220
and parents regret it, and it ruins their life. Now, there are two things that I would say in
00:49:29.840
response. First of all, this is a false choice. I get really tired of the absurd kind of false
00:49:34.820
dilemma we're constantly presented with. We're told that parents, you know, have to decide whether
00:49:39.840
to give up disposable income, lazy Saturdays, peace of mind. You can give it up and have kids,
00:49:47.480
or you can keep all that and not have kids, but that is not correct. You know, I reject that false
00:49:56.000
binary. I am non-binary when it comes to that. Because I'll take it all. You know, I'm greedy
00:50:01.260
in that way. You can have it all. I mean, you can't have it all in the sense of having everything
00:50:04.360
you want in life, but you can have the things I just mentioned and also have kids. That is a
00:50:08.380
possible thing to do. You can have disposable income. You can have lazy weekends with kids.
00:50:16.140
I mean, maybe not quite as lazy, but still pretty lazy. And you can have peace of mind. I don't know
00:50:20.200
why you'd be giving that up at all. The idea that you have to give up one to have the other
00:50:25.220
is a reflection of your own lack of ambition. You know, your own lack of imagination of anything.
00:50:29.880
It's not some kind of law inscribed into the cosmos. It's not physics. It's not gravity.
00:50:36.840
I'm not saying that parenting requires no sacrifice. Of course it does. You'll have to sacrifice money,
00:50:42.180
time, even some of your Saturdays, God forbid. But you don't have to write those things off. You can
00:50:47.620
still work towards a life with kids, with a family that is basically peaceful, includes plenty of time
00:50:53.340
for relaxation, and also includes financial prosperity. The second point is that there is
00:51:00.540
only one thing that will make you chronically miserable as a parent. There's really just one
00:51:05.240
thing. And that thing is selfishness. Okay. Immense joys are available to parents, a unique kind of
00:51:12.460
happiness that non-parents cannot experience. But those joys do require you to, you know, kind of
00:51:19.240
pull your head out of your own ass for long enough to experience them. And if you can't do that, if you
00:51:23.980
refuse to, then yeah, you'll be miserable all the time. But the good news, if you want to call it that,
00:51:29.600
is that selfish people are miserable no matter what they do. So whether you have kids or not, so like
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there's no reason to regret it. You would have been miserable even without kids.
00:51:39.420
happiness. Your circumstances don't determine your happiness nearly as much as you think they do.
00:51:45.540
You know, circumstances can make happiness a little bit more or less easy to obtain, but they
00:51:49.940
don't determine it. And this is a lesson that everybody learns as you grow older, or, you know,
00:51:56.360
if you're a mature person, you learn it. It's like people say, well, you know, money doesn't buy
00:52:02.680
happiness. Well, it's true in a sense. Like if you have no money, if you're broke and you fantasize
00:52:09.540
about having money and you think that, well, once I have money, if I have real money, I'll be just
00:52:14.820
exuberant with joy every second of the day. And then many people discover if they get to the point
00:52:20.300
where they have a lot of money and they had no money before, what they find is that, yeah, it does
00:52:25.900
a great job of warding off financial anxiety, which is great. But, you know, what you find is
00:52:35.320
that, okay, like I have money now, but I'm still, I'm still me. My life is still my life. It's, it's,
00:52:40.460
you know, I still have to live day to day. It's not a source of just constant happiness. Like I'm not
00:52:46.260
just looking at my bank account every second of the day and being overwhelmed with happiness. It's kind
00:52:50.720
of like once, once you're in that circumstance, you almost immediately take it for granted and,
00:52:55.560
okay, this is my circumstance now. And, um, and if you expect that in and of itself to make you
00:53:03.440
happy, then you're not going to be happy. And, um, and that's the same thing with kids. You know,
00:53:10.660
if you're an unhappy person with kids, it's because you are an unhappy person without kids. Kids,
00:53:16.440
kids are not going to make you unhappy. They also won't make you happy in the sense of just sort of
00:53:22.940
forcing you to be happy. Right. It's not like, it's like, um, think about wetness, being wet.
00:53:34.220
That's a matter of circumstance. If you jump into water, you'll be wet. So if your problem is that
00:53:40.020
you're too hot and you, you know, you jump into water, well, you'll solve that problem.
00:53:43.840
Water, in a sense, forces you to be wet, right? Um, kids don't force you to be happy. Family life
00:53:52.960
doesn't force you to be happy. It doesn't result in happiness the way that jumping in the water
00:53:58.800
results in you being wet or the way that two plus two results in four. It's not like that. What it
00:54:04.960
does is it opens up the opportunity for a unique and in many ways kind of indescribable
00:54:11.520
kind of happiness. It makes it available to you. It invites you into that kind of happiness,
00:54:19.440
but you can decline the invitation. I mean, you can definitely be miserable with kids
00:54:24.380
and you can be more miserable than you were before. Let's be honest about that because family life
00:54:32.100
invites you into a particular and particularly profound kind of happiness. If you decline
00:54:37.320
that invitation, then as a consequence, you will have a particular and particularly profound kind
00:54:43.500
of misery. That's true. And that's because the type of happiness on offer is happiness in the
00:54:52.360
truest sense. It's not just pleasure or, you know, entertainment or whatever. It's, it's, uh,
00:54:58.380
it's happiness and happiness in its purest form is by definition unselfish. So you have to be willing
00:55:04.620
to step outside of yourself to, to look at something other than your own reflection in
00:55:09.060
the mirror. And some parents are just not willing to do that. They never do it. They never get out
00:55:16.160
of their own heads. They never get out of their own egos. And so they suffer as parents, they suffer,
00:55:22.220
um, in a life where great joy is, is right there. It's right in reach, but they won't stretch out
00:55:30.800
their arms and grab it. And this is the case a hundred percent of the time, a hundred percent
00:55:37.260
of the parents that you encounter who are absolutely miserable and hate being a parent. I'm not denying
00:55:42.620
that those people exist. They do. But in a hundred percent of cases, the reason why they're so miserable
00:55:49.320
is because they are too selfish to allow themselves to experience the great joy that is available to
00:55:58.120
them. And then that, and that just, and then it's compounding because that just makes them more
00:56:02.680
miserable. Right. And, um, and the kind of happiness is available to you is, uh, it's, it's like, it's
00:56:11.460
when you're a parent, it's all around you all the time. And there's also a lot of annoyances that are
00:56:15.660
available to you all the time. There's a lot of inconvenience. There's a lot of annoyance. There's a
00:56:20.460
lot of, you know, you have to do things you'd rather not have to do. You have to, you know,
00:56:23.860
there are, I'd like to just hang out on a Saturday morning, but I got to go do this, do this for the
00:56:28.800
kids, whatever. So you do have that all the time. That's always all around you, but you also have
00:56:34.740
these little joys that are always around you also. And it's totally up to you what you choose to focus
00:56:38.900
on. I mean, it's completely up to you what you choose to focus on. Um, and, and that's, and that's,
00:56:50.980
and that's the mistake that a lot of parents make. It is available to you. And if you're,
00:56:56.980
if, if you're miserable as a parent, it's because you're choosing to focus on the wrong thing.
00:57:02.680
And that's the case for parenting. That's the case for so much of life that your happiness depends
00:57:09.920
on what you focus on. And with parenting, there are so many opportunities to miss what is beautiful
00:57:16.960
and sacred because you're choosing to focus on the inconveniences and the annoyances in those
00:57:25.420
moments. You know, it's like if you're sitting on the beach and staring at the ocean, uh, you know,
00:57:32.760
and the sun is setting over the ocean or something, and you could focus on that, on this, this great
00:57:40.420
beauty that's in front of you, or you could focus on the fact that you're sitting in the sand and the
00:57:43.560
sand is kind of itchy and it's like getting into your shorts and that's annoying. You can focus on
00:57:48.480
either one. They're both real things, but if you choose to, you know, if you leave that experience
00:57:56.360
of watching the sunset as a, and you choose to see it as a negative experience because you were itchy
00:58:02.080
because of the sand, well, that's, that, that is entirely a function of what you decided to focus on
00:58:06.960
in that moment. And it's really up to you, but it requires that you get out of your own head. You
00:58:16.220
have, you have to, you have to, this invitation to happiness is there as a parent. You have to
00:58:20.640
accept the invitation. And if you're unhappy, it's because you haven't accepted it, but you can
00:58:27.080
and, and you should, but it's up to you. All right. That will do it for the show today. We'll wrap it up
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there. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Talk to you tomorrow. Have a great day. Godspeed.
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