The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1768 - Here's What Nobody's Telling You About The ＂Missing Scientists＂ Cases

00:00:00.000 Beginning in the early 1960s, one after another, former Nazi scientists and engineers were targeted

00:00:05.760 for assassination in an Israeli intelligence operation called Operation Damocles. The

00:00:11.580 scientists had taken new jobs developing rockets for Egypt, and it was very clear that Mossad,

00:00:17.580 Israel's intelligence agency, didn't want that program to continue. So Mossad agents sent mail

00:00:23.160 bombs, organized drive-by shootings, and in one case managed to make a prominent arms dealer

00:00:28.440 named Heinz Krug disappear completely. As the New York Times reported at the time, quote,

00:00:33.840 the expert Dr. Krug, who once held a top post with a Stuttgart Research Institute for Jet

00:00:39.520 Propulsion Physics, disappeared in Munich on Tuesday. He was last seen leaving his Munich

00:00:43.780 office for an appointment. Operation Damocles was ultimately a successful program. It terrified

00:00:48.720 Nazi scientists, and it certainly made the idea of working for Egypt much less appealing. It was

00:00:53.860 also good practice for Mossad, which went on to conduct many more assassinations of foreign

00:00:57.860 scientists. Most recently in Iran, just a few years ago, towards the end of Trump's first term,

00:01:03.320 Mossad managed to kill Iran's nuclear scientists using a remote-controlled AI-enabled machine gun

00:01:10.440 that was hidden in the back of a pickup truck that was parked on the side of the freeway,

00:01:15.620 which there it is right there. Israeli spies programmed the AI to compensate for the machine

00:01:21.900 gun's movement in the back of the pickup truck, as well as the input delay from the remote

00:01:27.120 operation of the weapon. So when the scientists drove by, all the Mossad agent had to do was press

00:01:31.920 the button and shoot him. And at the time, Iran had no idea what had happened. They assumed that

00:01:37.440 snipers had been hiding near the freeway. Initial media reports suggested that a gun battle had

00:01:42.700 taken place. And for their part, the Mossad contributed to this confusion by blowing up the

00:01:47.280 pickup truck once the target was dead. Now, we sometimes hear about these kinds of operations

00:01:52.600 when they're conducted by our own intelligence services or intelligence agencies that work with

00:01:57.680 the CIA, like the Mossad. And that makes sense. It's effective propaganda that sounds like you're

00:02:02.560 reading a spy thriller. And people on our side like to brag about successful operations. At the

00:02:08.420 same time, it's very rare to hear about similar operations that are conducted by foreign governments

00:02:13.840 within our borders. And there's only two possible reasons for that. Either foreign governments

00:02:19.400 aren't conducting any assassination operations on U.S. soil,

00:02:23.140 or they're conducting those operations without being detected,

00:02:26.640 or at least without our government telling us about them.

00:02:29.980 Now, especially with the war in Iran underway,

00:02:32.020 it's not hard to wonder whether, indeed,

00:02:34.520 American researchers are being targeted without the government telling us.

00:02:39.140 And in recent days, as you've probably heard,

00:02:41.120 there's a lot of concern about this possibility.

00:02:43.560 It's gone mainstream, and now the White House is involved.

00:02:47.300 Watch.

00:02:47.580 Retired Major General William Neal McCaslin was last seen in his home in New Mexico in late

00:02:54.640 February. My husband is missing. Tonight, his case is at the center of swirling online conspiracies

00:03:01.300 over the deaths or disappearances of at least 10 scientists that have caught the attention

00:03:06.120 of the White House. I just left the meeting on that subject, so pretty serious stuff.

00:03:11.320 An FBI spokesperson now confirms the Bureau is spearheading the effort to look for connections

00:03:16.400 into the missing and deceased scientists.

00:03:18.920 So far, there's no evidence linking the cases,

00:03:21.560 but among the disappearances fueling speculation online,

00:03:24.760 Monica Reza, a former NASA scientist

00:03:27.000 who vanished this past summer while hiking in California,

00:03:30.840 and Alabama-based anti-gravity researcher

00:03:33.500 Amy Catherine Eskridge,

00:03:35.360 whose death in 2022 was ruled a suicide.

00:03:38.740 Others have ties to nuclear research,

00:03:40.720 aerospace programs, and classified projects.

00:03:43.580 That's definitely something I think this government

00:03:45.320 administration would deem worth looking into. McCaslin's disappearance has drawn a lot of

00:03:50.240 attention because at one point he worked inside an Air Force base in Ohio, long rumored to house

00:03:55.420 extraterrestrial debris despite repeated Air Force denials. And his wife wrote on Facebook,

00:04:01.740 it seems quite unlikely that he was taken to extract very dated secrets from him.

00:04:09.920 Now, whenever there's a confusing and alarming story like this, the worst thing you can do

00:04:15.120 as a media organization is broadcast a superficial drive-by report, and that's exactly what NBC just

00:04:21.780 did in that clip we played. If you're going to suggest that shadowy assassins are taking out

00:04:26.280 American scientists, or might be, then you can't spend 60 seconds on the topic and then move on.

00:04:31.320 It's too important for that kind of treatment. Now, to be clear, this is obviously a story worth

00:04:37.260 pursuing, looking into. It's also a story that's extremely easy for media outlets to mess up. For

00:04:42.640 the most part, they want the number of dead or missing scientists to keep increasing because

00:04:47.460 that creates more drama. And as a result, they're not doing a deep dive into each one. Instead,

00:04:53.060 they're making you think that every single case is equally suspicious, which just isn't true.

00:04:58.380 There's a lot of distraction going on here for one reason or another, and it's drawing attention

00:05:02.300 away from the cases that deserve a second look. So today we're going to go one by one through all

00:05:09.040 of these cases, all the scientists who have allegedly been killed or who died under suspicious

00:05:14.140 circumstances. We'll talk about everyone who was just mentioned the NBC report and many others.

00:05:20.480 And we'll do our best to look at it objectively and figure out if there might be something going

00:05:26.520 on here. So we'll start with Amy Eskridge, because on the surface, she's the most disturbing case.

00:05:32.580 Although when you dig into it, there are a lot of issues with the narrative that's circulating

00:05:37.320 around. So Amy Eskridge died in Huntsville, Alabama, on June 11, 2022, at the age of 34.

00:05:45.420 The cause of death was a gunshot to the head, which was determined to be suicide. Shortly before

00:05:50.500 her death in 2020, Eskridge claimed that she was preparing to present major findings on

00:05:55.540 anti-gravity research, quote unquote, which has relevance to UFOs and their propulsion systems,

00:06:01.400 although she needed approval from NASA. To this end, Eskridge started a now-defunct website called

00:06:06.440 the Institute for Exotic Science, which she said would provide a public-facing persona to disclose

00:06:12.280 anti-gravity technology. Eskridge was also involved in her father's company, Holocron

00:06:18.140 Engineering, which was supposedly developing a triangle anti-gravity craft, although they didn't

00:06:24.360 get very far. Anti-gravity research, for the record, is not an established branch of science,

00:06:29.200 and Eskridge had no published papers in any peer-reviewed publication. Now, it's not to say

00:06:33.820 that peer review is the most important thing, but it doesn't make it clear that she was not an

00:06:38.740 established leading U.S. scientist or anything like that. Now, in any event, according to Eskridge,

00:06:47.600 she was on the verge of a big breakthrough and somebody wanted to stop her. A month before her

00:06:51.980 death, according to a UFO investigator named Frank Milburn, Eskridge reportedly sent a text

00:06:58.820 message to a friend warning that her life was in danger. And the alleged text read in part,

00:07:06.920 if you see any report that I killed myself, I most definitely did not. If you see any report

00:07:11.640 that I overdosed myself, I most definitely did not. The dominoes are being lined up all over again.

00:07:19.180 Obviously, that's a very conspicuous thing for somebody to write shortly before they die of a

00:07:23.080 gunshot wound to the head. On the one hand, it could indicate exactly what it says, that this

00:07:27.320 person was being harassed by people who wanted her dead. On the other hand, you need context for

00:07:32.600 a text message like that, because it's also possible that this woman was simply paranoid 0.94

00:07:36.500 and mentally unwell. And to make that determination, you need context. David Wilcock,

00:07:42.840 the paranormal content creator, also repeatedly said that he wasn't suicidal. And according to

00:07:47.960 police, he just shot himself on April 20th when they responded to a residence where he was located.

00:07:53.920 So maybe you could fold that into this overall story or maybe not.

00:07:58.920 So with that in mind, here's a podcast interview featuring Eskridge several years before her death in which she talks about how a suspicious Lexus pulled up near her apartment complex.

00:08:10.160 She describes the apartment complex as low income and says that a high end blacked out Lexus is an unusual site in the parking lot.

00:08:18.340 And supposedly this Lexus is part of the larger plan to harass her.

00:08:21.760 and so you'd listen to this carefully and assess her credibility watch

00:08:26.100 within two minutes of me saying hey we should walk over there later and take a picture of the

00:08:33.680 license plate we were still standing there at the window looking at it talking about it

00:08:39.800 and an eastern european looking mother with a black beanie dressed all in black in his 50s or 60s 0.93

00:08:49.500 walked out of the apartment directly across from ours holding a license plate

00:08:54.200 and he opened the trunk of the Lexus and he took out some tools and he changed the license plate

00:09:01.420 right in front of our faces and then he walked back to his apartment

00:09:07.240 and he put the old license plate on the front patio and went inside left it outside and it was

00:09:16.760 literally like come get the license plate I have more I have more where this came from come get the

00:09:23.480 license plate and then after that the Lexus started tailing me and every time I saw the Lexus it had

00:09:30.020 a different license plate it would be like Alabama plates a different state plate it would be random

00:09:36.060 dealer plates none of which were local just like cardboard temporary dealer plates none of which

00:09:42.300 were any local dealers. Every time I saw it, it was a different place. It would follow me to the

00:09:48.200 gas station to go get beer. I would go get beer at the gas station and that Lexus follows me.

00:09:54.600 And even my ex called an Uber once. He called an Uber. The Lexus pulled out from the spot across

00:10:04.680 the parking lot from our apartment, drove over to our apartment and said, hey, I'm your Uber here

00:10:10.280 to pick you up. The license matched in the Uber app, but they didn't have an Uber sticker or a

00:10:19.600 Lyft sticker. You can't drive Uber if you don't have an Uber sticker. Like over the past, this

00:10:26.420 has been going on for like, I don't know, four or five years. And over the past 12 months, it's

00:10:33.220 been like escalating, escalating, like more aggressive, more invasive, digging through my

00:10:37.620 painted like digging through my underwear drawer and sexual threats over the past like three to

00:10:43.420 six months. And now I'm like, I have to publish. I have to publish because like, it's only going

00:10:50.580 to get worse until I publish. There's no way out of this. There's no way out of this situation

00:10:56.740 until I publish. So the problem here is that, um, really what she's saying doesn't make

00:11:05.180 much sense. I mean, there's no logical reason why somebody would do any of this. If she's a threat

00:11:09.840 to somebody because of her research, it doesn't make much sense for them to send a Lexus and

00:11:13.820 change its license plates in front of her or a moonlight as her Uber driver or break into her

00:11:19.380 house or look through her underwear drawer. She also doesn't mention any police report or any

00:11:24.900 surveillance footage or anything. She's asking us to take her word for all of this. And you might

00:11:31.260 say, well, the Lexus driver is trying to intimidate her so that she doesn't publish her research.

00:11:35.180 These people are supposedly sinister enough that they're capable of murdering her, and yet they held off for several years, hoping they could scare her by changing some license plates around.

00:11:47.340 But if that's the case, you have to ask, why didn't she simply publish her groundbreaking research online?

00:11:52.260 Why did she feel the need to wait for NASA or peer review or anything like that?

00:11:57.260 Why would these shadowy figures allow her to talk about their pressure campaign online for years before they took her out?

00:12:05.960 These are all important questions, and no major news outlets are remotely interested in answering them.

00:12:10.400 One of the things you need to be careful about as you read stories about these scientists

00:12:13.300 is that a lot of outlets are extremely sloppy with details.

00:12:17.760 Many of them are probably using AI to generate their stories.

00:12:22.840 For example, as you can see here, the Daily Mail reported, quote,

00:12:25.540 Journalist Michael Schellenberger testified before a public hearing on unidentified anomalous phenomena

00:12:30.840 that Eskridge was murdered by a private aerospace company in the U.S.

00:12:35.180 because she was involved in the UAP conversation.

00:12:39.420 Now, when I read that quote, I did a double take

00:12:40.840 because Michael Schellenberger is a serious journalist.

00:12:42.860 We cite his work on the show all the time.

00:12:45.380 And if he did the research and concluded that Eskridge

00:12:47.480 had been murdered by a private aerospace company,

00:12:49.920 then I'd be very inclined to at least take that story seriously.

00:12:55.200 But if you pull up the actual testimony,

00:12:56.800 Schellenberger didn't say anything like that.

00:12:59.000 The attribution is just completely wrong.

00:13:01.080 It's just not right.

00:13:02.740 He didn't say anything about Eskridge

00:13:04.000 or how she was supposedly murdered.

00:13:05.640 In reality, the claim came from a retired UK intelligence officer

00:13:09.540 named Frank Milburn, who got in touch with Eskridge before her death.

00:13:13.940 And he told investigators that in his view, Eskridge was indeed being harassed.

00:13:18.640 In fact, he claimed that Eskridge had been targeted with a directed energy weapon,

00:13:23.500 is what he said.

00:13:24.520 So who is Frank Milburn?

00:13:25.940 Well, he's also the source for the alleged text message

00:13:28.680 where Eskridge says that she's not suicidal.

00:13:30.860 As it turns out, he's a British paratrooper veteran,

00:13:33.700 an intel officer who claimed that in the late 1980s, the British special forces shot down a

00:13:40.220 non-human craft in Northern England. Melbourne, who doesn't have firsthand knowledge of the

00:13:46.260 shoot down, but he claims that he spoke to an MI6 officer codenamed John and the UK Air Force crew

00:13:54.220 that fired on the UFOs, which were supposedly traveling at hypersonic speeds. So that's where

00:13:58.300 this all comes from. This is from the Daily Mail. According to Melbourne, quote,

00:14:02.300 John said they were tasked to secure and retrieve the craft in the north of England they were flown

00:14:09.100 in by helicopter they established a cordon a perimeter and they approached the craft he didn't

00:14:16.460 describe the craft he just said it was obvious that it was non-human and it was obvious that

00:14:20.940 there were occupants who had fled the scene on foot or whatever you call it he said then it

00:14:25.700 became a task of tracking down these beings to try to bring them into custody part of the unit was

00:14:30.920 left protecting the craft, they would have left maybe six to eight blokes to court in the craft

00:14:35.740 and others who would have been on foot, quad bikes or four by fours trying to track down these

00:14:41.360 entities that escaped from it with helicopters supporting. He said after that it was totally

00:14:46.020 passed over, he said scientists and technicians came in and it was completely out of our hands.

00:14:50.460 We were flown away by helicopter and we knew nothing after that. So we don't get a description

00:14:56.400 of the UFO. We're only told that the aliens ran away and that there was a hot pursuit of some kind

00:15:02.160 involving quad bikes, like something out of a movie, and then the whole thing was just dropped.

00:15:06.180 The government didn't kill John to keep him quiet or anything like that, so he just told all his

00:15:10.920 friends. Put simply, Frank Milburn has a history of making unverifiable, outlandish, Hollywood-style

00:15:17.920 claims, and now he's making another one. He's saying that this woman was hit with a mysterious

00:15:22.400 energy beam and harassed and targeted for assassination. So it's simply not much to go

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00:16:13.360 Now, on the other hand...

00:16:43.360 There are disappearances that are obviously worth a deeper investigation.

00:16:46.260 Consider the case of 29-year-old Joshua LeBlanc.

00:16:49.760 He's a NASA scientist who worked on rockets and nuclear propulsion.

00:16:53.840 Last summer, he died in a car accident.

00:16:56.140 And here's how local news reported on his death at the time.

00:16:59.420 Watch.

00:17:01.060 Joshua LeBlanc grew up in New Iberia,

00:17:03.600 but he was working in Huntsville at NASA as an electrical engineer.

00:17:07.580 His family reported him missing earlier this week.

00:17:10.180 His car was found Tuesday afternoon, two hours away from his home with no signs of him anywhere.

00:17:17.300 Joshua LeBlanc was well known in New Iberia, where he graduated from Catholic High

00:17:21.680 and later attended and graduated from UL Lafayette.

00:17:25.400 His family tells me he last communicated with them at 4.32 a.m. Tuesday.

00:17:30.320 They also told me he never showed up for a job that he loved that morning as well.

00:17:34.080 What we do know about his disappearance is this.

00:17:36.780 Alabama authorities did track his blue Tesla Model 3.

00:17:39.540 According to the Tesla car data, it stopped for four hours at the Huntsville International Airport,

00:17:45.080 which is about 12 minutes from his apartment.

00:17:47.640 The data shows his car left the airport, traveled west on Alabama back roads,

00:17:52.440 before crashing in Florence, Alabama.

00:17:55.760 Tuesday, 2 p.m., the car was discovered and a body inside.

00:18:00.080 But the body was found burned beyond recognition, according to family members.

00:18:04.080 But the case has only raised more questions.

00:18:07.320 LeBlanc's phone, his personal belongings, and even his dog were all left behind in his Huntsville apartment.

00:18:13.640 Family members say the detour and disappearance don't match anything Joshua had planned for that day.

00:18:18.480 And now they believe he may have been abducted from his home.

00:18:23.620 Now, by itself, does any of this reporting prove or even suggest that LeBlanc was targeted by an intelligence agency?

00:18:30.200 No, it doesn't.

00:18:30.840 Nor does it make much sense for someone to use a Tesla to kill him since Teslas have cameras that are constantly recording.

00:18:36.560 And while the family has their concerns, it's also possible that they're mistaken.

00:18:39.520 But given the circumstances, you'd think the authorities would have investigated and come up with some kind of explanation for what LeBlanc was doing and why he would have left his phone behind.

00:18:48.500 Normally, it's not hard to figure out these kinds of basic details.

00:18:51.320 But in this case, none of those details have been forthcoming.

00:18:54.280 Maybe now that it's getting more attention, that that will change.

00:18:56.660 And then there's another case NBC mentioned, the disappearance of 68-year-old U.S. Air Force Major General William Neal McCaslin. And this is where the cases are worth paying more attention to.

00:19:11.620 Now, unlike Eskridge, McCaslin had an established scientific career.

00:19:16.920 According to the New York Post, he served in senior Pentagon roles involving nuclear science, space research, and defense initiatives.

00:19:24.100 He also commanded the Air Force Research Laboratory at New Mexico's Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, where wreckage from the 1947 Roswell crash was purportedly shipped.

00:19:34.380 Well, the Air Force has denied that.

00:19:35.520 During his career, McCaslin also oversaw research at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, which was famous for its work developing the first atomic bomb.

00:19:45.000 And Congressman Eric Burleson of Missouri says that he had contacted McCaslin concerning his research into UFOs.

00:19:51.080 And according to the Post, quote, McCaslin also appears in the WikiLeaks dump of Hillary Clinton campaign manager John Podesta's emails.

00:19:57.620 Former Blink-182 singer Tom DeLonge was in frequent contact with Podesta regarding UFOs and identified McCaslin as his insider source on alien intel.

00:20:09.080 Leech's calendar notification showed a meeting scheduled between Podesta, DeLonge, and McCaslin on January 24th, 2016.

00:20:18.540 Now, on February 27th of this year, McCaslin, an experienced hiker, left his home in Albuquerque without his phone or prescription glasses.

00:20:26.480 All he took with him, apparently, was his wallet and his hiking boots and a .38 revolver.

00:20:32.320 Now, before leaving at 10 a.m., he spoke to repairmen at his home.

00:20:36.600 His wife left for a doctor's appointment at 11 a.m., 11.10 a.m., to be precise.

00:20:41.280 And by the time she returned an hour later, he was missing.

00:20:44.560 A couple hours later, his wife called 911.

00:20:47.120 Listen.

00:20:48.060 This is April. How may I help you?

00:20:49.360 Hi, April. My name is Susan Wilkerson.

00:20:52.560 My husband is missing.

00:20:54.860 Okay.

00:20:55.060 And it's been about three hours, and I have some indication that he must have planned not to be found.

00:21:04.380 He's left his phone.

00:21:05.460 He changed his clothes into I don't know what.

00:21:07.960 I think he's on foot.

00:21:09.520 All of our cars and bicycles are in the garage.

00:21:12.840 I left for a doctor's appointment at about 11.10, and he was here at that time at the house.

00:21:22.460 And I got back from that at noon, and he was gone.

00:21:26.300 He turned it off and left it behind, which seems kind of deliberate because he's always got his phone.

00:21:33.300 He has a smartwatch.

00:21:35.160 I don't know if that's with him or not.

00:21:37.980 Has he ever done this before?

00:21:39.960 Never.

00:21:40.720 Nothing even remotely like it.

00:21:42.980 He's a retired Air Force major general.

00:21:45.660 He's very responsible.

00:21:47.500 But he's also facing some medical issues.

00:21:50.960 Do you have any video at your home?

00:21:54.040 No.

00:21:55.220 Has he been diagnosed with any mental disorders or anything like that?

00:22:00.160 Well, we've been seeing a doc for both physical and mental in terms of anxiety, short-term memory loss, lack of sleep.

00:22:11.400 the same doc i went to see today other than saying if his brain and body keep deteriorating

00:22:19.560 he didn't want to live like that but it seemed to me that was just a man i hate how this is going

00:22:27.060 kind of thing because i told him yes you do yes you do okay we're going to send some deputies up

00:22:32.940 to talk to you see if we can search a little bit and see what's going on okay sure so he has both

00:22:37.800 mental and physical issues. He's retired. He's given indications that he might not want to

00:22:41.560 continue on with his life, tragically, and his wife believes he doesn't want to be found,

00:22:46.560 and he left with a gun. Now, the police dispatched a helicopter with an infrared scanner to try to

00:22:50.620 find him, but they said it was too hot outside for the scanner to be useful. Quote, the mountain was

00:22:55.440 just lit up like a candle, a sheriff said. We couldn't differentiate from heat signatures

00:22:59.400 and the heat from the rocks. So again, the simplest explanation is clear. You can easily

00:23:04.760 make the case that in all likelihood this elderly man with mental health problems may have committed

00:23:09.780 suicide or become incapacitated while he was on a hike or attacked by an animal or fallen or any

00:23:16.480 number of possibilities. There aren't any indications that he was actively involved in any

00:23:20.300 high-level research or was on the verge of any kind of breakthrough at all. What makes this case

00:23:25.300 interesting is that in a relatively short period of time, several other people with connections to

00:23:29.020 national laboratories basically went missing the same way. Within around 10 months, they all

00:23:34.740 disappeared without taking their cell phones with them. Some of them had weapons. So let's go through

00:23:40.160 those cases, starting with 78-year-old Anthony Chavez, a research and development engineer who

00:23:45.140 also worked at Los Alamos. Spent most of his career working on a dual-axis radiographic

00:23:50.980 Hydrodynamic Test Facility, which is involved in nuclear weapons research. And Chavez had

00:23:58.620 long retired. He hasn't been working since 2017. Unlike McCaslin, Chavez was last seen leaving his

00:24:04.660 home on foot with his car parked in the driveway. Only unlike McCaslin, Chavez left behind his

00:24:10.060 wallet. He was reported missing in May of 2025 and still has not been located, despite an extensive

00:24:15.920 search for him. And then three months after Chavez disappeared, 48-year-old contractor

00:24:21.460 Steven Garcia also went missing. And he disappeared in pretty much the same way. He was last seen on

00:24:28.460 August 28th, leaving his home in Albuquerque at 9 a.m., carrying only his gun, leaving his wallet

00:24:33.420 and his keys behind. Police said they had some reason to believe that he may have been a danger

00:24:37.840 to himself watch this one is chilling to me because as you said it echoes neil mccaslin's

00:24:46.440 disappearance right down to the same thing the same thing the state of new mexico so

00:24:50.800 stephen garcia i mean he had a top security clearance at casey nsc is that is that per a

00:24:56.460 source though a source said that this is per a source um yes per a source that was close to

00:25:01.360 Garcia. But look, where he worked at KCNSC, I mean, they manufacture 80 percent of non-nuclear

00:25:08.300 components that go into building military nuclear weapons. And I mean, he oversaw tens of millions

00:25:15.760 of dollars of assets, equipment, some classified, some not. I mean, we don't know what was going on

00:25:22.080 in this guy's head, right? The officials had said that he may have been a danger to himself.

00:25:27.760 He was seen carrying a gun. And it sounds crazy. But between Garcia and General McCaslin, I have to wonder.

00:25:36.080 And again, I know this sounds crazy, but it could be an option here.

00:25:39.600 I mean, is is the government doing this? Are are they taking out their own people because of X, Y, Z?

00:25:48.060 Now, the Albuquerque facility of the Kansas City National Security Campus manufactures most of the non-nuclear components that are used in weapons.

00:25:55.700 at the same time, a property custodian isn't the most essential employee in that facility. So it's

00:26:01.000 not clear to anyone why he would be a potential target for any reason. But again, the similarity

00:26:07.020 of these disappearances is striking. And there's another disappearance to add to the list, the case

00:26:12.360 of 53-year-old Melissa Cassius, who also worked at Los Alamos. And Melissa Cassius was not a UFO

00:26:21.800 researcher or a nuclear weapons expert, she was an administrative assistant. There was no indication

00:26:26.580 one way or another that she had access to sensitive information or research at all.

00:26:31.680 She was last seen in June of 2025 entering her car in the afternoon after shopping downtown.

00:26:36.760 She reportedly dropped lunch off for her daughter before saying she was going to work from home.

00:26:43.580 It's the last site there you could see. Investigators have since recovered a pair of

00:26:47.460 shoes that match the ones that she was wearing. They've also discovered that

00:26:50.500 her phone has been factory reset. But based on this information, if we're being honest,

00:26:56.060 there are about 10 million explanations for why she might be missing. The most likely explanation,

00:27:00.960 of course, is that she was attacked by a criminal who had no idea where she worked.

00:27:05.700 And when that happens, contrary to what you might see on television, it's actually not easy for

00:27:09.520 police to figure out who did it. I mean, think about the Nancy Guthrie case, which is still

00:27:14.420 unsolved. If the FBI can't find out what happened to Nancy Guthrie, then the odds are low that

00:27:20.220 anyone's going to be able to track down a random administrative assistant. People are much, much

00:27:26.600 less safe than we might like to think. It's one of the reasons we have the Second Amendment.

00:27:32.880 But the fact that we have so many people, all of them affiliated with national laboratories at one

00:27:37.920 point or another, all disappearing in a relatively short frame of time is obviously worth further

00:27:44.880 investigation. That said, we do have to acknowledge that sometimes people die in strange ways.

00:27:51.680 Sometimes people kill themselves. Sometimes people who say they aren't suicidal and they're

00:27:57.080 not going to kill themselves do. In fact, that happens a lot. Sometimes they trip and fall while

00:28:03.500 they're hiking. And sometimes these people tend to live near each other and work in the same kinds

00:28:07.960 of places. Los Alamos alone employs well over 10,000 staffers. It's not unreasonable to think

00:28:13.180 to two or three of them over the course of more than a year might become suicidal, independent

00:28:17.500 of one another. Recall that after January 6th, several Capitol police officers committed suicide.

00:28:23.720 In fact, within months of January 6th, four officers killed themselves. The media tried to

00:28:28.180 link that to January 6th itself. They were claiming that these all counted towards that

00:28:33.820 day's death toll, a death toll that was actually just one, Ashley Babbitt. Now, in that case,

00:28:39.940 the attempt to draw a connection was absurd. Is this another example of that sort of thing,

00:28:46.360 of an erroneous connection being drawn in order to prop up a media narrative?

00:28:52.040 In the case of January 6th, the media narrative was driven by politics, of course. In this case,

00:28:58.040 is it driven by, if it is just a narrative, is it being driven by ratings, by clicks?

00:29:03.820 We don't know yet. But let's keep going because there are more names to get through. And I

00:29:08.820 promised that we would go through this objectively and just give you all the facts. So we'll continue

00:29:13.900 to do that. And again, some of them are worth a closer look. Fox reports that, quote, NASA

00:29:18.600 materials engineer Monica Reza, who served as director of the materials processing group at

00:29:23.560 the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, also remains missing after disappearing during a hike in

00:29:29.640 California in June 2025. Reza is one of four cases that are linked to Los Angeles County,

00:29:35.420 including Caltech's Carl Grillmare and two other jet propulsion lab experts, Frank Mywald and

00:29:42.780 Michael David Hicks. So let's take these in turn, starting with Reza, who incidentally or not,

00:29:47.400 worked on projects that were overseen by McCasland at one point. So the local Fox affiliate reports

00:29:53.820 that, quote, Reza disappeared while hiking with a friend near Mount Waterman in the Angeles

00:29:58.840 National Forest. According to her companion, they were roughly 30 feet apart when they made eye

00:30:03.340 contacts. She smiled and waved to indicate that she was fine. Moments later, when the friend

00:30:07.880 turned around again, she had vanished. She disappeared in June of 2025, and her body still

00:30:13.420 has not been found, despite an extensive search and recovery effort. Right away, we should be

00:30:18.360 able to point out the obvious, which is that it's extremely unlikely that a CIA assassin

00:30:21.880 snatched her during this hike. I mean, if you're going to run an operation like that,

00:30:26.120 it's probably a good idea to do it when the target is alone, not right next to their friend.

00:30:30.220 And so, again, the default assumption here should be that she fell off a ravine or something like that.

00:30:35.380 I mean, that's the Occam's razor. That's the simplest possible explanation.

00:30:39.420 But the other missing scientists from Los Angeles County scientists are a little harder to explain away.

00:30:45.560 So here is Carl Grillmere, the Caltech scientist.

00:30:48.560 He was 67 years old, specialized in astrophysics at the Infrared Processing and Analysis Center on campus.

00:30:55.160 That center also partners with NASA.

00:30:56.460 So Grilmeier was a renowned scientist who's famous for his work on dark matter and galactic structures,

00:31:03.140 as well as for discovering the existence of water on a distant exoplanet.

00:31:08.060 A few months ago, he was shot to death on his front porch in Antelope Valley.

00:31:13.740 Watch.

00:31:15.180 The Caltech campus is in mourning tonight after a renowned astrophysicist was killed during a carjacking.

00:31:21.660 Carl Grillmeier was described as a brilliant man, a man who helped us better understand our own planet and the vast universe that surround us.

00:31:29.720 CBS LA's Hunter Sowers live at Caltech in Pasadena with the very latest on this story.

00:31:34.380 Hunter.

00:31:36.480 Juan, Susie, Carl was known here on this campus for his humor and for his creativity.

00:31:41.980 Those I spoke to today said this is not only a huge loss for loved ones, it's a huge loss for the entire field of science.

00:31:51.660 Shock and sadness on the campus of Caltech as colleagues mourn the loss of groundbreaking astrophysicist and astronomer Carl Grilmeier.

00:32:00.860 We are shocked. This was so unexpected. Carl was full of life.

00:32:05.140 The 67-year-old killed Sunday in the Antelope Valley, spent decades devoted to understanding the galaxies,

00:32:11.600 studying the Milky Way and making groundbreaking discoveries, helping scientists better understand our planet.

00:32:17.320 According to the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, they responded early Monday morning to a shooting in the town of Llano, southeast of Palmdale.

00:32:24.220 They say around the same time, reports of a carjacking eventually led them to the suspect accused of shooting Gromire,

00:32:30.920 who was quickly arrested and charged with murder and carjacking.

00:32:34.740 The suspect who allegedly shot the scientist before apparently carjacking someone has been identified as 29-year-old Freddy Snyder.

00:32:41.840 Good luck finding a picture of him. For some reason, the authorities haven't released one.

00:32:45.260 I certainly couldn't find it.

00:32:47.320 If they did release one, it's hard to find.

00:32:50.200 According to local reports, Snyder had been arrested several months earlier for trespassing on Grillmare's property while armed with a rifle.

00:32:56.980 And there's still no official motive.

00:32:59.960 But hearing these facts, it's hard not to think of the murder of MIT professor Nuno F.G. Loreiro in front of his home in a Boston suburb.

00:33:10.800 As you as you probably remember, a gunman shot the professor after killing two students at Brown University.

00:33:16.080 In that case, it was pretty clear that the killer was upset that his career was a failure, and he blamed Brown while also harboring jealousy for the professor's success.

00:33:24.680 At the same time, the Brown shooter did kill himself, so we don't have a definitive understanding of his motive either.

00:33:31.380 And some of these lists mention Michael David Hicks, who died in July of 2023.

00:33:35.180 I've seen his name come up at NewsNation, New York Post, Newsweek, and other outlets.

00:33:39.560 He was a veteran researcher at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory for more than two decades.

00:33:43.220 There's no indication of how he died exactly, so there's not much to go on. No cause of death has been released. For all we know, he might have been hit by a car or died of a heart attack. A lot of outlets are adding his name and picture to other lists of missing or dead scientists, which tells you something, that a lot of them are trying to pad the statistics a bit.

00:34:01.080 We're trying to sell a narrative that may not be entirely true, and many of these outlets don't really care if it's true or not because they want the narrative.

00:34:10.920 They just want the clicks.

00:34:12.960 This is one aspect of the story.

00:34:14.980 It's why it's worth looking into is the total breakdown in trust.

00:34:19.260 We can't trust the news outlets.

00:34:22.220 We know that we can't trust.

00:34:24.940 Who can we trust?

00:34:26.620 And so when something like this happens, it's not clear what the actual facts are.

00:34:31.840 And that's why we're trying to lay them out.

00:34:34.260 Now, the magazine Unheard ran its own deep dive recently into several of these missing scientists.

00:34:39.700 And while they're more skeptical about the narrative, even than I am, they did include this paragraph on the origins of the story, which is pretty interesting.

00:34:47.600 It's always important to try to figure out when everyone's talking about a particular topic, where it began exactly.

00:34:52.160 And here's what they came up with.

00:34:53.700 Quote, where did this narrative even come from?

00:34:56.460 The earliest article on this topic

00:34:57.780 is dated March 22nd, was published in Daily Mail.

00:35:00.620 It notes five missing scientists, two days later,

00:35:03.240 a website called the Liberty Line added another name,

00:35:06.400 expanding the list to six.

00:35:07.620 According to its X account,

00:35:09.180 the website specializes in Philadelphia sports

00:35:11.660 and whatever else comes to mind.

00:35:13.780 Right-wing media and influencers kept adding names

00:35:15.900 until we reached Eskridge,

00:35:17.640 with old cases treated as breaking news.

00:35:19.560 And finally, the story made its way to Fox News

00:35:21.860 and the White House briefing room.

00:35:23.700 Now, what's frustrating about this is that, indeed, there are several disappearances and deaths that are worth further investigation.

00:35:30.880 I don't think any reasonable person can deny that.

00:35:33.560 We simply don't have many details about deaths that are obviously suspicious and that involve very high-level scientists, including retired scientists.

00:35:42.880 But by the same token, no reasonable person can deny that the tabloids and even some major media outlets that function as tabloids are mainly interested in turning this whole story into a circus.

00:35:52.860 They're adding names to the list that obviously don't belong just so they can create paranoia and drive clicks.

00:35:58.220 And in the process, they're distracting from some actual investigations that need to happen,

00:36:02.520 particularly investigations into LeBlanc, McCaslin, Chavez, Garcia, and Cassius.

00:36:09.000 And show us the picture of the man who killed the Caltech scientist.

00:36:11.860 Otherwise, as usual, a legitimate story is at risk of being derailed, whether deliberately or not.

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00:38:34.680 Yesterday we talked at some length about the false flag operation that took place in Charlottesville at the Unite the Right rally during Trump's first term.

00:38:42.700 It was well-funded, well-organized, highly effective.

00:38:45.600 The whole thing was engineered to give Democrats a pretext to suspend civil liberties, which they did.

00:38:52.000 We might choose to believe that these kinds of operations don't take place on American soil, but they do all the time.

00:38:58.900 At the same time, you have to be willfully blind to think that intelligence agencies, including potentially our own,

00:39:04.860 wouldn't want to make certain people disappear, or at the very least, they might lie about what happened to those people.

00:39:12.120 Just the other day, for example, we were told that two CIA officers died in a tragic and very strange car crash in Mexico.

00:39:19.780 Watch.

00:39:21.320 This is what Mexican authorities say was a massive drug lab hidden in the woods.

00:39:26.420 You can see rows of canisters, bags and ovens.

00:39:29.640 A rare look inside a secret meth lab in northern Mexico.

00:39:33.520 But tonight, what happened after the law enforcement operation is raising questions about U.S. involvement in the crackdown.

00:39:39.640 A source with knowledge of the matter tells NBC News two CIA officers, along with two Mexican officials, died following the operation this weekend in a car accident.

00:39:49.840 Mexico's president, Claudio Sheinbaum, is promising a thorough investigation.

00:39:55.900 So this is like the line from Mission Impossible about how the U.S. government will disavow all knowledge if you're caught or killed.

00:40:01.980 Everyone knows those CIA agents did not die in a car crash, but that's the cover story the U.S. government is going with.

00:40:08.460 And again, it happens all the time. And for that reason, we simply cannot be satisfied with the information we have so far about these missing or dead scientists.

00:40:19.280 We don't know what's going on. It would be nice if I could end this monologue by saying, well, I've gotten to the bottom of it.

00:40:26.140 Here's what's really happening. That would make for a better title anyway.

00:40:30.320 Gotten to the bottom of this story. I haven't gotten to the bottom of it. I don't know.

00:40:33.740 That's my conclusion.

00:40:36.960 I'll be honest with you, that we need an independent investigation, one that's not

00:40:41.180 conducted exclusively by the government, into each of those deaths that I mentioned.

00:40:46.040 Put all the facts out there.

00:40:48.480 Let us debate the merits of every single case.

00:40:51.460 Without transparency, bodies keep piling up, theories multiply, tabloid articles spiral

00:40:58.900 out of control.

00:41:00.740 Most of them will be way off the mark.

00:41:03.220 And in that environment, when an intelligence agency does take out one of its targets, no one, even the most discerning observer, will have any way of knowing.

00:41:15.660 That will do it for the show today. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Talk to you on Monday. Have a great weekend. Godspeed.

00:41:21.560 I do believe that if people have committed treason against the United States of America,

00:41:34.860 their statues should not be in the Capitol.

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00:41:55.200 What were Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson afraid of?

00:41:59.500 Do they know something they're not allowed to say today?

00:42:02.900 It's time for the truth, so here it is.

00:42:07.060 Robert E. Lee was a military genius and a man of immense honor.

00:42:10.600 He was beloved by Americans from the north and south for a century after the war.

00:42:15.460 This is the real history of the Civil War.

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The Matt Walsh Show - April 23, 2026

Ep. 1768 - Here's What Nobody's Telling You About The ＂Missing Scientists＂ Cases

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