The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 178 - Pence's Wife Attacked For Job At Christian School

00:00:00.000 Today on The Matt Walsh Show, Mike Pence's wife, Karen, is the target of outrage today because she got a job teaching art at a Christian private school. 0.99

00:00:09.320 We'll talk about this fake, stupid outrage, but there is something very disturbing and ominous about the fake, stupid outrage, which I want to discuss as well. 0.98

00:00:18.240 Also, is it ever really necessary for people to apologize for expressing an opinion? 1.00

00:00:23.940 I say no. We'll discuss that.

00:00:26.000 And finally, some deep and beautiful and revolutionary words of wisdom from Kamala Harris.

00:00:34.120 You're going to want to stick around to hear these. It'll change your life today on The Matt Walsh Show.

00:00:44.440 The Pence's are in trouble again. They're in big trouble.

00:00:48.740 The left is shocked yet again to learn that the Pence's are Christian.

00:00:54.060 It seems like they learn this fact, our friends on the left, they learn this fact about Mike Pence and his wife every few months.

00:01:03.020 They learn it again, like they forget and then they learn.

00:01:05.800 And every time this epiphany happens, when it dawns on them again that, oh, my gosh, these people are Christian, they're offended.

00:01:12.240 And so the epiphany happened once again this week when Mike Pence's wife, Karen, got a job at a private Christian school.

00:01:21.640 And this has elicited many outraged headlines across the mainstream media and many shocked and appalled and frightened tweets and so on.

00:01:31.480 Now, of course, the stated reason for the outrage is not that Karen Pence, a Christian, is working for Emanuel Christian School, a Christian school.

00:01:45.220 But that it says it right there in the name in case you were confused.

00:01:48.000 That's not the reason that they're giving.

00:01:50.860 The reason that they're giving is that the school bans openly gay teachers and does not admit openly gay students. 0.86

00:01:59.200 It also prohibits all other manner of sexual conduct that is considered immoral by Christian teaching, including premarital sex.

00:02:09.600 Teachers are required at this school to affirm in writing the biblical position on all of these moral issues.

00:02:19.680 So let's let's just just take a we'll take a look at some of these headlines here.

00:02:27.280 So BBC News, Vice President's wife, Karen Pence, to teach at anti LGBT school. 0.98

00:02:33.280 New York Times, Karen Pence is teaching at Christian school that bars LGBT students and teachers.

00:02:38.060 New York Post, Mike Pence's wife back teaching at school that bans gay transgender students.

00:02:47.840 Karen Pence takes teaching job at Christian school that bars LGBTQ students.

00:02:53.280 Second lady Karen Pence faces backlash for teaching at Christian school that bars LGBTQ students.

00:02:59.700 The Washington Post, Karen Pence's job at a school that bans gay employees is latest reminder of administration, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 0.70

00:03:08.060 So here's what the Huffington Post has to say about it.

00:03:10.440 Karen Pence, wife of Vice President Mike Pence, started at a job this week teaching at teaching art at Emanuel Christian School in Northern Virginia.

00:03:18.820 It's not a school where everyone is welcome.

00:03:21.540 In a parent agreement posted online, the school says it will refuse admission to students who participate in or condone homosexual activity.

00:03:29.380 Those are in quotes.

00:03:39.640 The application says,

00:03:41.940 They also list sexual harassment, use or viewing of pornographic material or websites.

00:04:09.320 The application says that the school believes marriage unites one man and one woman and that a wife is commanded to submit to her husband as the church submits to Christ, which, of course, is just a quote from Ephesians 5.

00:04:24.760 And then it goes on from there.

00:04:26.800 Parents are also asked to sign an agreement saying that they will cooperate with this policy of biblical morality.

00:04:37.360 All right. So here's the thing about that.

00:04:41.960 There is no difference between attacking Karen Pence for working at a Christian school and attacking Karen Pence for working at a school that prohibits behavior contrary to Christian teaching,

00:04:54.920 because any legitimate Christian school will do exactly that, because that's what it means to be a Christian.

00:05:01.760 That's why we call it a Christian school, as in there's going to be Christian stuff going on here.

00:05:07.300 This is a school for Christians, by Christians, to Christians.

00:05:12.400 And this is part of what it means to be a Christian.

00:05:15.340 OK, that's that's what it means.

00:05:17.460 This is what every authentic and credible Christian school ought to do and does do.

00:05:24.320 So this is by far not the only Christian school that requires a pledge of this sort.

00:05:30.180 They all should. And here's the thing.

00:05:33.120 The there are plenty of Christian schools who do not require these kinds of pledges and do not have these these qualifications and will.

00:05:42.140 Higher teachers who are categorically opposed to Christians teaching and will and will admit students who have no interest in Christian teaching whatsoever.

00:05:52.400 But do you know what happens with those schools?

00:05:55.640 They end up very quickly not being Christian schools anymore.

00:06:00.620 What they end up being is just very expensive secular private schools where maybe there's a cross hanging on the wall in the guidance counselor's office or something.

00:06:12.780 That's what that's what ends up happening.

00:06:14.700 So they lose their identity as a Christian school.

00:06:17.780 Obviously, when you start admitting people, teachers, students, when you when you when you stock the the school up with with people who have no interest in Christianity, it's not going to be a Christian school anymore.

00:06:31.280 So that's why the Christian schools that are interested in actually remaining Christian schools.

00:06:37.920 That's why they have these qualifications.

00:06:39.540 I think the point is pretty clear here.

00:06:42.660 If if if you are manifestly.

00:06:45.760 And in principle opposed to Christian morality, then obviously you don't belong at a Christian school.

00:06:54.520 There are many other places you can go for your education.

00:06:59.560 Nobody is stopping you.

00:07:02.080 From being educated.

00:07:04.440 But you shouldn't go here.

00:07:06.040 Why would you even want to go if if you are if you are that opposed to Christian teaching on sexual morality?

00:07:13.220 Why would you want to teach at a Christian school in the first place? 0.95

00:07:17.380 You're you don't agree with them. 0.92

00:07:19.520 You obviously think that Christianity is a is a bigoted, horrible thing.

00:07:23.260 Why would you want to be there?

00:07:24.720 They're doing you a favor by by refusing you admission or employment.

00:07:29.100 Um, in the same way, it would be it would be terribly reasonable to exclude someone from attending or or working for a Muslim institution or a Jewish institution.

00:07:42.120 If they if that person rejects Muslim or Jewish teaching, respectively.

00:07:48.020 Although you're never going to see this when it comes to Muslims.

00:07:51.260 There, you know, there are Muslim members of Congress and there's there aren't going to be a bunch of mainstream media headlines saying that so and so Muslim Congress woman attends an anti LGBT mosque.

00:08:06.820 You're not going to find headlines like that.

00:08:08.680 Even though every mosque, if it is actually a a Muslim mosque that that that's a teaches and and promotes traditional Muslim teaching, they're all going to be anti LGBT in the sense that Muslims also believe. 0.90

00:08:26.940 That homosexual activity is sinful and that marriage and that two men can't get married, that Muslims believe the same thing, but you're not ever going to find those headlines. 0.95

00:08:37.380 With with Muslims, it's only Christians. 1.00

00:08:41.000 Um, because this is just about it's not about, you know, stand standing up against discrimination.

00:08:47.220 Right.

00:08:47.760 This is just about being anti Christian. 0.86

00:08:50.280 That's what this is.

00:08:50.940 Because, again, Christian schools are in the business of teaching Christianity. 0.99

00:08:58.620 Now, they teach other things, too, but through a Christian lens.

00:09:03.660 So if you're not willing to impart or receive those Christian teachings, then there are many other lovely educational options available to you.

00:09:14.920 But it's really important.

00:09:16.180 Well, see, it's important here to to to pay attention to the backlash that Karen Pence is receiving here, because the left is revealing something and we should we should we should we should take the revelation seriously.

00:09:32.120 They're telling us something about their agenda and we should listen and take it seriously.

00:09:35.740 We talked about this a few days ago with after the protests over a church sign.

00:09:40.860 There was a church sign that a pastor put up saying that, you know, standing for for Christian moral teaching and there were protests over that.

00:09:51.560 So we you know, we made this same point.

00:09:53.360 But to go over it again.

00:09:55.100 For many years, the left claimed that they're not interested in suppressing or outlawing Christianity.

00:10:01.220 They said that what they claimed is that, you know, they just want to live according to their own beliefs without Christians shoving the Bible down their throats or forcing them to accept biblical principles.

00:10:14.840 Just keep your religion to yourself and you'll be fine is what they said.

00:10:18.480 Well, of course, I have a problem with the idea that Christians should keep their religion to themselves because that's not the protection that the the First Amendment.

00:10:27.360 The First Amendment does not have that qualifier of, well, you have freedom of religion as long as you keep it to yourself. 0.96

00:10:32.480 That's not what the First Amendment says.

00:10:34.400 And also as a Christian, I realize that as a Christian, I can't do that.

00:10:39.180 That Jesus Christ commands us to go forth and preach the gospel.

00:10:42.580 So so keeping it to yourself is not an option.

00:10:45.020 But in this case, in the case of Karen Pence and her new employer, they're doing exactly what the left demanded.

00:10:55.320 The school is merely trying to operate by biblical principles within its own walls on its own property.

00:11:04.920 OK, it's a Christian school that simply is trying to be a Christian school.

00:11:09.320 It isn't bothering anyone.

00:11:10.700 It isn't knocking down anyone's door and trying to control what they're doing, invading their home, lecturing them about their sexual behavior.

00:11:19.400 It isn't doing that.

00:11:21.120 It isn't preventing anyone from working or living or or enjoying their lives.

00:11:27.540 It's not preventing anyone from doing anything.

00:11:29.480 It's just saying very reasonably, very unobtrusively, hey, we're going to conduct ourselves by by Christian moral tradition. 0.99

00:11:39.800 If you don't want to accept that moral tradition, if you're opposed to it, fine.

00:11:44.420 By all means, go somewhere else.

00:11:46.340 We're just going to be over here on our little small corner of northern Virginia doing our thing.

00:11:51.660 That's all.

00:11:52.760 If you don't agree with it, then just you don't have to come.

00:11:55.160 This is exactly the approach that the left for years endorsed and insisted upon.

00:12:03.720 For years, they said, if you do that, we won't bother you.

00:12:09.160 Because we are we're not anti-Christian.

00:12:11.420 We're not trying to control you.

00:12:12.940 We just don't want you to control us.

00:12:14.420 So this Christian school says, all right, that's what we're going to do.

00:12:20.900 And Karen Pence says, hey, I'm a Christian.

00:12:22.760 I want to go teach art at a Christian school.

00:12:24.520 That's all.

00:12:26.760 Suddenly, though, it's a problem.

00:12:29.400 Suddenly, even Christianity behind closed doors on private property in a private school is a target for outrage and scorn.

00:12:40.300 Because it was a lie all along.

00:12:45.860 They were never planning to stop just outside your door, just outside the walls of your home or your church or your school.

00:12:54.040 That's just what they said to lull you to sleep before the next phase begins.

00:13:00.040 And it looks like the next phase has begun.

00:13:03.060 What does that phase entail?

00:13:05.280 Well, it's pretty clear.

00:13:06.820 It entails attempts to change, transform, morph, deform, or the word they would probably use, evolve, Christianity itself. 0.80

00:13:17.360 Okay, they want to change Christianity itself.

00:13:20.160 They want to change it doctrinally, fundamentally.

00:13:23.300 This was always the plan.

00:13:26.300 And if you had just, unfortunately, so many Christians were not paying attention,

00:13:30.140 but if you had just paid attention to the kinds of things they were saying,

00:13:36.700 this would not come as a surprise to you.

00:13:42.180 Like, when they go around saying that everybody has the right to not be discriminated against,

00:13:54.420 just that idea alone.

00:13:58.580 Now, they've been saying that for years.

00:14:02.480 But if you had just paid attention to that and thought about it for a minute,

00:14:07.320 okay, so they're saying we have some sort of universal right to never be discriminated against.

00:14:14.940 So they have that.

00:14:16.020 And then over here they say, well, Christian teaching is discriminatory.

00:14:21.860 So if that's discriminatory and you have a right to never be discriminated against,

00:14:27.360 well, combine those.

00:14:30.960 That's a problem for churches, for schools, for any Christian.

00:14:34.440 Now, of course, in reality, if we were to, if we're talking about actual human rights,

00:14:43.700 if we're talking about the rights that the Bill of Rights codifies,

00:14:48.860 this idea that you have the right to never be discriminated against,

00:14:52.520 that just doesn't make any sense.

00:14:53.940 That, of course, is utter, total, complete nonsense.

00:15:00.360 You know, to discriminate simply means to distinguish one from the other.

00:15:04.920 To discriminate, generally speaking, dictionary definition,

00:15:09.420 all that means is to choose one thing instead of another.

00:15:13.140 It's to prefer one thing over another.

00:15:17.480 And so this idea that you have a right,

00:15:20.120 that nobody is ever allowed to distinguish you from something else,

00:15:24.700 or to prefer someone else over you, or to choose someone else over you,

00:15:28.440 this idea that no one ever has the right to do that,

00:15:31.120 because you have the right to be accepted everywhere,

00:15:34.760 in every situation, always, all the time.

00:15:37.600 That, of course, is crazy.

00:15:39.700 And if you try to actually enact that into law,

00:15:42.840 you end up with tyranny.

00:15:43.900 And you also end up with chaos.

00:15:50.880 But that's where this is headed.

00:15:53.920 Because what they're going to say, what they're saying now,

00:15:56.200 and what they will continue to say, even more stridently,

00:15:58.620 is that, you know, the next phase is,

00:16:02.240 hey, yeah, you know, you basically have the right to be Christian.

00:16:05.960 You basically have the right to go to church,

00:16:08.600 and go to these schools,

00:16:09.760 and believe all this stuff about Jesus.

00:16:13.060 But, I mean, nobody has the right to be a bigot.

00:16:17.700 Even if you're in your, I mean,

00:16:18.940 just because you're in a church,

00:16:20.040 that doesn't make the bigotry any less bigoted.

00:16:22.280 You know, well, of course you don't have the right to that. 0.87

00:16:25.020 So all this stuff about homosexuals,

00:16:27.160 and this stuff about, you know,

00:16:28.580 the roles of women and men,

00:16:31.160 well, no, no, no, that,

00:16:32.560 of course you can't,

00:16:33.460 well, that, of course, you're going to have to toss out.

00:16:35.920 I mean, because that's just horrible.

00:16:37.300 It hurts people's feelings,

00:16:38.560 and you can't do that.

00:16:40.940 So we'll just get rid of,

00:16:41.660 but you can have everything else,

00:16:42.720 so we'll just get rid of that, though.

00:16:43.700 That part we're going to do away with.

00:16:45.640 But everything else you can have still.

00:16:52.640 All right, so,

00:16:53.740 I posted something yesterday.

00:16:56.080 I posted on Daily Wire

00:16:59.120 a formal non-apology

00:17:03.060 because I went on Fox yesterday morning,

00:17:08.240 Fox and Friends,

00:17:09.040 and I made some comments about the Me Too movement 1.00

00:17:12.400 and about that stupid Gillette ad. 0.99

00:17:15.440 And the comments that I made 1.00

00:17:16.700 were picked up by Media Matters

00:17:20.140 and the Daily Beast.

00:17:22.080 And then, as you can imagine,

00:17:23.740 I got some,

00:17:25.800 we'll call it,

00:17:26.980 critical feedback

00:17:28.280 from some of their readers.

00:17:29.980 And there are people emailing me angry,

00:17:33.220 insisting that I should apologize,

00:17:35.420 especially for the comments

00:17:36.740 that I made about the Me Too movement.

00:17:39.600 And in particular,

00:17:40.840 I said,

00:17:41.400 which I've said many times

00:17:42.660 on this show and in writing,

00:17:44.800 that I didn't learn anything

00:17:45.980 from the Me Too movement

00:17:46.860 because I already knew

00:17:48.900 that it's wrong to rape 0.55

00:17:50.300 and harass people, 0.51

00:17:51.320 and I didn't need anyone

00:17:52.880 to tell me that.

00:17:53.580 But that was very upsetting

00:17:57.480 to some people.

00:17:58.380 That opinion of mine

00:17:59.500 was upsetting,

00:18:00.240 and I was told

00:18:01.000 that I should apologize.

00:18:03.120 So I wrote up a statement

00:18:04.580 explicitly not apologizing,

00:18:08.060 not expressing any remorse,

00:18:10.640 and doubling down

00:18:11.540 on the original offending opinion.

00:18:15.540 Now, as I said,

00:18:17.740 the reason I'm not apologizing

00:18:20.000 is that,

00:18:21.220 well, there are two reasons.

00:18:22.040 One reason is that I'm right.

00:18:25.520 Okay?

00:18:25.820 The opinion that I expressed

00:18:26.980 about the Me Too movement

00:18:28.340 is actually right.

00:18:29.420 So I'm right about

00:18:30.380 the Me Too movement,

00:18:31.380 and that's why I'm not going

00:18:32.140 to apologize for saying

00:18:33.080 what I said about it.

00:18:35.020 That's one reason

00:18:35.780 that I'm not apologizing.

00:18:37.160 And in fact,

00:18:38.760 as I said in the piece

00:18:40.660 that I wrote,

00:18:43.160 if anything,

00:18:45.400 I was,

00:18:45.960 in what I said on Fox,

00:18:47.060 I was a little,

00:18:47.600 I was too generous

00:18:49.100 to the Me Too movement.

00:18:50.620 Because there,

00:18:51.520 all I said about Me Too,

00:18:53.180 in that case,

00:18:53.820 I said is,

00:18:54.340 all I said is,

00:18:55.060 well,

00:18:55.260 I didn't learn anything from it.

00:18:58.900 But in reality,

00:19:00.360 nobody learned anything from it.

00:19:03.340 Because everybody already knew

00:19:05.740 that it's wrong

00:19:07.420 to treat women this way. 0.80

00:19:08.900 And yes,

00:19:09.700 some men still went ahead

00:19:12.860 and treated women that way,

00:19:15.460 but it's not because

00:19:16.100 they didn't know.

00:19:16.660 And I could go even further

00:19:19.100 than that

00:19:19.600 and say that not only

00:19:21.100 was the Me Too movement

00:19:21.900 ultimately useless,

00:19:23.280 but it was actually

00:19:24.240 a net negative.

00:19:25.440 It was harmful.

00:19:26.500 It was a bad thing

00:19:27.800 in the end.

00:19:28.480 It did a few good things.

00:19:30.580 Okay,

00:19:30.780 it smoked out guys

00:19:31.640 like Weinstein

00:19:32.320 and so on.

00:19:33.320 But when you compare that

00:19:35.540 with all of the negative,

00:19:37.320 I think in the end

00:19:38.320 it's a net negative.

00:19:39.040 because of

00:19:41.700 the way

00:19:44.480 that it lumps

00:19:47.580 all different manner

00:19:49.440 of sexual misbehavior

00:19:51.780 into one big pile

00:19:52.960 and makes it impossible

00:19:54.660 or difficult anyway

00:19:56.180 to distinguish

00:19:56.800 one from the other.

00:19:58.700 And so we're taking

00:19:59.400 like actual rape 1.00

00:20:00.980 and we're lumping it in

00:20:02.640 with inappropriate comments

00:20:05.120 and all of that.

00:20:06.000 So everything is piled together

00:20:07.560 and that is just

00:20:08.100 a very unhelpful

00:20:09.460 and it's just

00:20:12.980 the wrong way

00:20:13.840 of dealing

00:20:14.540 with these problems.

00:20:16.080 Things like

00:20:16.760 sexual harassment,

00:20:17.980 rape, 0.96

00:20:18.440 abuse,

00:20:19.440 these are things

00:20:20.740 that need to be looked at

00:20:22.000 on a case by,

00:20:23.000 they need to be looked at

00:20:23.700 individually,

00:20:24.720 specifically

00:20:25.260 on a case by case basis.

00:20:27.300 When you start

00:20:27.940 taking all of them

00:20:29.080 and just throwing them

00:20:30.180 in a pot together,

00:20:31.400 that's not helpful

00:20:32.940 because it doesn't help

00:20:35.280 you get to the truth

00:20:36.060 and to the reality

00:20:36.860 of the situation.

00:20:38.380 Other problem

00:20:38.860 with the Me Too movement

00:20:39.680 is that it's a very

00:20:42.360 black and white

00:20:43.380 oversimplifying thing

00:20:45.400 where the men are bad,

00:20:47.740 the women are good. 1.00

00:20:49.240 It doesn't allow

00:20:50.540 for discussions

00:20:51.360 of situations

00:20:52.700 where women 0.97

00:20:53.520 contributed

00:20:54.600 to creating

00:20:56.420 inappropriate

00:20:57.140 environments

00:20:58.520 in the workplace.

00:21:00.620 And it certainly

00:21:01.640 doesn't allow

00:21:02.180 for conversations

00:21:02.880 about women

00:21:04.060 making false claims

00:21:05.980 or exaggerated claims

00:21:07.500 or women

00:21:09.340 engaging in

00:21:10.480 consensual sexual activity

00:21:12.080 and then later on

00:21:13.480 saying that,

00:21:14.160 oh, actually,

00:21:15.140 no,

00:21:15.580 that was not consensual.

00:21:16.880 It doesn't allow

00:21:17.500 for any discussion

00:21:18.180 about that.

00:21:19.200 And then we can go on.

00:21:19.800 I'm not going to rehash

00:21:20.680 all of it

00:21:21.120 because actually

00:21:23.820 it's irrelevant.

00:21:25.000 Okay?

00:21:25.140 the second reason

00:21:27.320 why I'm not going

00:21:29.480 to apologize

00:21:29.920 for that opinion

00:21:30.720 or for any other

00:21:31.780 opinion

00:21:32.200 that I give

00:21:33.400 is that

00:21:35.460 even if I was wrong,

00:21:39.480 which I emphasize

00:21:40.240 I'm not,

00:21:41.200 but even if I was,

00:21:43.160 I haven't done

00:21:44.880 anything

00:21:45.400 to anyone

00:21:46.580 by expressing

00:21:47.820 an opinion.

00:21:51.460 So, yeah,

00:21:52.320 I'm not wrong,

00:21:52.940 but let's put that

00:21:53.520 to the side

00:21:54.040 for a minute

00:21:54.440 because we've got

00:21:56.140 this idea

00:21:56.800 that people

00:21:57.560 should apologize

00:21:58.360 for opinions,

00:21:59.760 especially if they're

00:22:01.680 later convinced

00:22:02.420 that they were wrong

00:22:03.280 about the opinion

00:22:03.980 and then,

00:22:04.500 well,

00:22:04.680 in that case,

00:22:05.200 they should go

00:22:05.560 and apologize.

00:22:07.440 Now,

00:22:07.880 if you express

00:22:08.540 a wrong opinion

00:22:09.460 and you realize

00:22:10.320 that your opinion

00:22:10.940 was wrong,

00:22:11.600 then it makes sense

00:22:12.480 to go back

00:22:13.140 and admit

00:22:13.840 that you were wrong

00:22:14.580 and say that

00:22:15.600 you changed your mind,

00:22:16.420 explain why

00:22:16.960 you changed your mind.

00:22:17.720 That's an honest

00:22:18.360 and forthright thing

00:22:19.160 to do,

00:22:19.600 but apologize?

00:22:21.120 Why?

00:22:21.640 To who?

00:22:24.040 Who exactly

00:22:24.960 should receive

00:22:25.880 the apology?

00:22:28.480 That's the problem

00:22:29.420 with this

00:22:30.260 apologizing

00:22:31.840 for an opinion thing.

00:22:32.900 Who are you

00:22:33.360 apologizing to?

00:22:34.500 It's just an opinion.

00:22:35.800 You believe

00:22:36.620 that you were right,

00:22:37.480 so you argued

00:22:38.100 for your opinion.

00:22:39.040 Maybe later

00:22:39.640 you realized

00:22:40.280 that you were wrong.

00:22:41.120 You didn't hurt anyone.

00:22:42.300 You didn't cause

00:22:43.060 any...

00:22:45.160 You didn't affect

00:22:47.060 anyone's life.

00:22:48.260 You just

00:22:48.920 expressed

00:22:49.680 your point of view

00:22:50.740 and your point

00:22:51.860 of view

00:22:52.080 changed.

00:22:52.740 Great.

00:22:53.060 So admit

00:22:53.420 that it did.

00:22:54.080 Who are you

00:22:54.760 apologizing to?

00:22:57.180 If I have

00:22:57.900 a wrong opinion

00:22:58.740 and you have

00:22:59.400 a right opinion

00:23:00.200 and we argue

00:23:01.400 and you're saying

00:23:03.780 that you're right

00:23:04.700 and I'm saying

00:23:05.100 that I'm right

00:23:05.440 and then later on

00:23:06.160 I decide,

00:23:06.780 okay,

00:23:06.960 you know what?

00:23:07.260 You were right.

00:23:09.480 I now need

00:23:10.260 to go and

00:23:10.620 apologize to you?

00:23:12.020 Why?

00:23:13.380 What,

00:23:13.700 for traumatizing you

00:23:15.160 with my wrong opinion?

00:23:16.580 You were right.

00:23:18.000 Why would you

00:23:18.560 be traumatized?

00:23:19.300 I mean,

00:23:19.540 you were right

00:23:19.960 the whole time.

00:23:23.140 See,

00:23:23.760 this is my

00:23:24.260 problem with

00:23:26.060 public apologies

00:23:26.820 in general.

00:23:27.900 Really,

00:23:28.380 any public apology

00:23:29.420 because there's

00:23:30.420 always this question

00:23:31.260 of who are you

00:23:32.480 apologizing to

00:23:33.580 and why?

00:23:35.480 Whatever you did,

00:23:37.640 why does the

00:23:38.260 whole world

00:23:38.940 need to be

00:23:39.500 apologized to?

00:23:41.040 I mean,

00:23:41.240 was the whole world

00:23:42.080 really affected

00:23:42.720 by whatever it was?

00:23:44.780 If the world

00:23:45.640 was affected,

00:23:46.360 then sure,

00:23:46.800 apologize.

00:23:47.500 But even if you

00:23:48.480 really did something

00:23:49.280 terrible and wrong,

00:23:50.720 I mean,

00:23:51.140 if I were to,

00:23:51.820 if I stole your car,

00:23:53.240 let's say,

00:23:54.400 and then I had

00:23:56.420 a change of heart

00:23:57.020 and I said,

00:23:57.560 you know what?

00:23:57.800 I'm going to bring

00:23:58.220 your car back to you.

00:24:01.220 Well,

00:24:01.620 yeah,

00:24:01.800 I should apologize

00:24:02.640 to you

00:24:03.500 that I stole your car.

00:24:05.960 And then hopefully

00:24:06.740 you won't call the police

00:24:07.780 and we can just let

00:24:08.380 bygones be bygones

00:24:09.260 at that point.

00:24:10.640 But then,

00:24:11.100 do I also need to go

00:24:11.920 and apologize

00:24:12.480 to my neighbor Jim

00:24:14.200 and to Bob

00:24:14.960 down the street

00:24:15.600 and to the cashier

00:24:16.780 at the grocery store?

00:24:18.600 No.

00:24:19.360 Yes,

00:24:19.760 I did something wrong,

00:24:20.680 but why would I apologize to that?

00:24:21.880 I didn't steal their cars.

00:24:23.360 They weren't affected by it.

00:24:24.760 They don't care.

00:24:25.880 Why are they owed an apology?

00:24:27.480 They aren't the aggrieved party.

00:24:29.240 I feel this way

00:24:29.920 about when politicians

00:24:31.140 are caught having affairs

00:24:32.260 and then they get up

00:24:33.560 and they give this public apology

00:24:34.920 in front of the world

00:24:35.720 and they're,

00:24:36.020 you know,

00:24:36.160 they're doing the press conference

00:24:37.180 and the,

00:24:38.300 um,

00:24:39.560 the,

00:24:39.840 the jilted wife 1.00

00:24:40.940 is standing there

00:24:42.060 with them very awkwardly.

00:24:43.260 And I always think,

00:24:45.000 why are you apologizing to us?

00:24:47.580 We,

00:24:47.980 I mean,

00:24:48.480 apologize to your wife,

00:24:49.900 apologize to your kids,

00:24:51.140 apologize to anyone else you hurt.

00:24:53.060 And with affairs,

00:24:54.080 you hurt a lot of people.

00:24:55.740 Apologize to all of them

00:24:56.860 on a personal basis.

00:24:59.780 Um,

00:25:00.240 but you didn't hurt me.

00:25:02.580 I'm not hurt by this.

00:25:03.780 I,

00:25:03.900 I mean,

00:25:04.260 I feel bad for your wife,

00:25:05.620 but you didn't hurt me.

00:25:06.560 You don't have to apologize to me.

00:25:09.000 Think about how odd that is.

00:25:10.160 If someone were to just stop you

00:25:11.560 on the street and say,

00:25:12.620 Hey,

00:25:12.820 listen,

00:25:13.200 I'm really sorry.

00:25:14.620 And you said,

00:25:15.320 well,

00:25:15.420 what are you self sorry for?

00:25:16.640 What did you do?

00:25:17.940 I cheated on my wife.

00:25:21.480 Okay.

00:25:22.080 You shouldn't have,

00:25:23.040 but why you don't apologize to her,

00:25:24.860 not me.

00:25:25.220 I'm not the one that you need to apologize.

00:25:26.620 I am not owed an apology

00:25:27.860 in that situation.

00:25:29.380 So the whole public apology genre

00:25:31.640 is absurd in my opinion.

00:25:34.060 Um,

00:25:34.440 there may be the rare cases

00:25:35.720 where it's the right

00:25:36.660 and proper thing to do.

00:25:37.640 As I said,

00:25:38.240 uh,

00:25:38.460 cases where the public itself

00:25:40.080 really is harmed in some way

00:25:41.960 then,

00:25:42.240 then fine.

00:25:43.040 But,

00:25:43.320 um,

00:25:43.780 for the most part,

00:25:44.640 the public apology

00:25:45.360 is just a kind of ritual

00:25:47.440 that's totally pointless.

00:25:48.780 But with opinions,

00:25:50.180 it's even more pointless.

00:25:52.820 And so we really need

00:25:53.880 to get away from

00:25:54.620 the idea that a person

00:25:55.800 might owe an apology

00:25:57.060 for an opinion,

00:25:58.480 even a wrong one.

00:26:00.600 A person might be wrong

00:26:02.520 about the opinion

00:26:03.900 they express.

00:26:04.660 That doesn't mean

00:26:05.580 that they've done

00:26:06.520 something wrong

00:26:07.440 by expressing the opinion.

00:26:10.080 Now,

00:26:10.400 if they know

00:26:11.040 that they're wrong

00:26:11.660 about what they're saying

00:26:12.380 and they're saying it anyway,

00:26:13.280 then they have done

00:26:14.060 something wrong

00:26:14.560 because that's hypocrisy.

00:26:15.900 But if they think

00:26:16.780 that they're right

00:26:17.640 and it's a sincerely

00:26:19.020 held belief

00:26:19.820 and they express it,

00:26:21.520 now the fact

00:26:22.080 that they think

00:26:22.620 that they're right

00:26:23.580 doesn't make it right,

00:26:25.040 but it does mean

00:26:26.080 that they haven't done

00:26:27.120 the wrong thing

00:26:27.920 by expressing it.

00:26:30.520 They are just being

00:26:31.700 American citizens,

00:26:33.740 um,

00:26:34.800 contributing to the

00:26:36.040 public dialogue,

00:26:37.300 which they have

00:26:37.640 every right to do.

00:26:39.560 I've changed my mind

00:26:40.620 about things,

00:26:41.220 plenty of things.

00:26:42.200 Um,

00:26:42.620 like for instance,

00:26:43.380 I used to support

00:26:44.100 the fair tax,

00:26:45.120 which is a national sales tax

00:26:47.300 to replace the,

00:26:48.200 the income tax.

00:26:49.420 Uh,

00:26:49.740 now I don't support

00:26:50.840 the fair tax anymore

00:26:51.620 because I just want

00:26:52.280 to abolish the income tax

00:26:53.460 entirely,

00:26:54.080 not replace it

00:26:54.660 with anything

00:26:55.180 and then make up

00:26:56.180 for the loss

00:26:56.840 in,

00:26:57.180 in,

00:26:57.480 in income

00:26:57.860 to the government

00:26:58.560 by cutting,

00:26:59.680 um,

00:27:00.400 government spending

00:27:01.100 by 40%.

00:27:01.720 That,

00:27:02.360 that now is what

00:27:03.060 I would support,

00:27:03.640 of course,

00:27:03.860 which will never,

00:27:04.460 ever happen.

00:27:05.040 But,

00:27:05.740 um,

00:27:06.320 anyway,

00:27:06.680 so I've changed

00:27:07.260 my view on that.

00:27:08.780 Okay,

00:27:09.240 and there have been

00:27:09.900 times in the past

00:27:10.600 when I have

00:27:11.100 very passionately

00:27:12.180 argued for the fair tax.

00:27:13.660 Now I've changed

00:27:14.520 my opinion.

00:27:15.060 I've realized,

00:27:15.480 I think that was

00:27:15.880 the wrong opinion.

00:27:17.480 But,

00:27:18.040 so I need to apologize.

00:27:19.400 Who do I apologize to?

00:27:20.840 Who is owed an apology

00:27:22.020 because I was wrong

00:27:23.080 about the fair tax?

00:27:23.960 I don't think anyone is.

00:27:26.100 And whatever the opinion was,

00:27:27.700 it doesn't matter

00:27:28.320 what the opinion is.

00:27:30.360 Nobody is owed an apology.

00:27:33.300 So,

00:27:33.700 that's the main thing.

00:27:37.520 Um,

00:27:38.280 if you express

00:27:40.340 a point of view,

00:27:41.100 and,

00:27:41.200 and,

00:27:41.420 and this is really

00:27:42.720 important because

00:27:43.540 people are becoming

00:27:46.360 increasingly afraid

00:27:49.260 of expressing

00:27:50.600 their views,

00:27:51.280 um,

00:27:52.920 in any forum

00:27:55.120 whatsoever,

00:27:55.880 publicly,

00:27:56.260 because they're terrified

00:27:58.540 that,

00:27:59.120 well,

00:27:59.400 what if I'm wrong?

00:28:00.480 and,

00:28:03.300 yeah,

00:28:03.540 there's a,

00:28:04.100 there's certainly

00:28:04.580 a hesitation,

00:28:06.200 a certain thoughtfulness

00:28:07.780 that you should have

00:28:08.240 before you express

00:28:09.260 a view,

00:28:09.720 you should think about it.

00:28:10.660 You should try not

00:28:11.920 to express wrong opinions.

00:28:14.360 Um,

00:28:15.100 but,

00:28:16.940 that's not really

00:28:19.400 the fear that people have.

00:28:20.340 It's,

00:28:20.440 it's,

00:28:20.700 the fear is,

00:28:21.720 well,

00:28:21.800 what if I'm wrong?

00:28:22.600 And then there's

00:28:23.100 the backlash.

00:28:24.040 And then,

00:28:24.420 you know,

00:28:24.700 I,

00:28:25.240 as if like,

00:28:26.100 if I'm wrong about this

00:28:27.000 opinion,

00:28:27.320 I might,

00:28:27.900 it might hurt people

00:28:29.440 or something.

00:28:30.960 And then I've done

00:28:31.800 some horrible,

00:28:32.560 terrible thing by

00:28:33.320 expressing a view

00:28:34.760 that it turns out

00:28:35.640 I was wrong about.

00:28:37.180 No,

00:28:37.640 it's,

00:28:37.840 it's,

00:28:38.280 if you're wrong,

00:28:39.540 if express a view

00:28:40.400 and you're wrong,

00:28:41.020 then just admit

00:28:42.220 you were wrong.

00:28:42.680 You don't owe anybody

00:28:43.320 an apology.

00:28:43.780 You didn't do anything

00:28:44.520 to anybody.

00:28:45.180 You didn't hurt anybody.

00:28:48.320 And this is part of,

00:28:49.480 you know,

00:28:49.720 this is supposed to be part

00:28:51.080 of what it means

00:28:51.700 to be an American,

00:28:52.520 what it means to be

00:28:53.360 just a thinking person

00:28:54.840 is sometimes

00:28:56.300 you're kind of

00:28:56.880 experimenting with ideas

00:28:58.340 and you're kind of

00:28:59.000 working through things.

00:29:00.240 And,

00:29:00.380 and so,

00:29:02.400 yeah,

00:29:02.540 maybe you have an idea,

00:29:03.980 a point of view

00:29:04.700 and you think,

00:29:05.700 okay,

00:29:05.820 that's an interesting

00:29:06.500 point of view.

00:29:07.220 I want to express it.

00:29:08.100 I want to let people know.

00:29:08.900 I want to talk about it.

00:29:10.100 And then through the course

00:29:11.120 of the discussion,

00:29:12.400 maybe because of the discussion,

00:29:14.280 you realize that,

00:29:15.060 okay,

00:29:15.200 no,

00:29:15.380 I was wrong about that.

00:29:16.580 Fine.

00:29:17.060 No big deal.

00:29:18.340 No harm,

00:29:18.980 no foul.

00:29:19.340 It was just a point of view,

00:29:20.300 just an opinion.

00:29:22.740 See,

00:29:22.900 sometimes it's through

00:29:24.020 the discussion,

00:29:24.920 it's through the interaction

00:29:26.380 and the debate

00:29:27.360 that you may discover

00:29:29.400 that you were wrong

00:29:30.500 about the thing.

00:29:32.020 And you may not,

00:29:32.860 unless you express it

00:29:34.120 and talk about it

00:29:34.980 and put it out there

00:29:36.060 for sort of

00:29:36.640 public examination,

00:29:38.260 you may never discover

00:29:40.300 the wrongness of it.

00:29:43.260 So we have to encourage people

00:29:44.860 to express their views

00:29:46.520 and allow people

00:29:47.560 to be wrong

00:29:48.240 without acting

00:29:50.820 like some sort of crime

00:29:51.640 against humanity

00:29:52.340 has been committed.

00:29:56.420 Finally,

00:29:57.080 I want to end with something.

00:29:59.060 I figured

00:29:59.900 there's been a lot

00:30:01.340 of negativity

00:30:01.920 today

00:30:03.820 and I want to end

00:30:05.060 with something

00:30:05.780 uplifting

00:30:06.820 and powerful.

00:30:08.280 And this is really

00:30:10.900 impactful stuff.

00:30:12.940 Kamala Harris,

00:30:13.940 who is running

00:30:15.160 for president,

00:30:15.840 was interviewed

00:30:16.380 by ABC

00:30:17.140 and, you know,

00:30:19.100 ABC is always

00:30:20.440 doing the really

00:30:21.660 hard-hitting interviews

00:30:22.740 with politicians,

00:30:24.380 especially Democrats.

00:30:25.400 And so here's

00:30:26.740 the tweet

00:30:27.100 from ABC News.

00:30:28.600 Here's their headline.

00:30:30.780 It says,

00:30:31.580 Potential 2020

00:30:32.580 presidential candidate

00:30:33.480 Kamala Harris

00:30:34.080 shares advice

00:30:35.220 for young women.

00:30:36.720 Don't let anybody

00:30:37.840 tell you who you are.

00:30:39.500 You tell them

00:30:40.280 who you are.

00:30:42.700 That is deep,

00:30:44.100 deep insight.

00:30:46.740 I mean,

00:30:47.080 I have never heard,

00:30:49.480 it's a good thing

00:30:50.400 that ABC News

00:30:51.080 made it into a headline

00:30:51.880 because I've never heard

00:30:53.280 that kind of sentiment

00:30:54.380 from anyone.

00:30:56.240 You know,

00:30:56.720 don't let anyone

00:30:57.360 tell you who you are.

00:30:58.540 I mean,

00:30:58.980 whoa.

00:31:00.520 Whoa.

00:31:01.520 Have you ever

00:31:02.160 heard that before?

00:31:02.780 I mean,

00:31:02.960 it's not like

00:31:03.440 you've heard that

00:31:03.960 from literally

00:31:05.060 every politician

00:31:05.760 who's ever existed

00:31:06.780 on the face of the earth.

00:31:07.700 No,

00:31:07.960 you've never heard.

00:31:08.960 I mean,

00:31:09.120 that's,

00:31:09.400 and it's so profound

00:31:11.660 and so moving.

00:31:12.460 I just,

00:31:14.380 I mean,

00:31:14.780 it kind of chokes me up

00:31:15.880 a little bit,

00:31:16.260 to be honest.

00:31:18.400 There's some other

00:31:19.040 great quotes

00:31:19.640 from this ABC interview

00:31:20.960 I just wanted to share

00:31:21.660 with you.

00:31:22.860 Some other

00:31:23.400 Kamala Harris quotes.

00:31:25.400 She says,

00:31:26.400 if it's worth fighting for,

00:31:27.920 then it's a fight

00:31:29.080 worth having.

00:31:32.620 Man,

00:31:33.140 let me just stop

00:31:33.780 and think about that

00:31:34.820 for a minute.

00:31:38.400 I mean,

00:31:39.180 my mind literally

00:31:40.640 exploded in my head

00:31:41.380 right now.

00:31:41.800 It's like soup

00:31:42.580 in my head

00:31:43.280 because I can't even,

00:31:45.280 if it's worth fighting for,

00:31:46.520 it's a fight worth having.

00:31:47.500 She also says,

00:31:51.180 my mother raised us

00:31:52.320 with a belief

00:31:52.920 that we could do anything.

00:31:55.520 That's just beautiful.

00:31:57.600 I mean,

00:31:57.820 that is so beautiful.

00:31:59.800 She says,

00:32:00.500 there are going to be

00:32:01.440 many times

00:32:02.140 that you are going

00:32:03.060 to be the only one

00:32:04.180 like you in the room.

00:32:07.700 Well,

00:32:07.900 don't you feel

00:32:08.520 so inspired right now?

00:32:10.600 And then she,

00:32:11.240 and this is,

00:32:11.620 this is the,

00:32:12.020 this is the last piece

00:32:12.740 of advice.

00:32:13.100 And again,

00:32:13.760 I mean,

00:32:14.020 for ABC

00:32:14.900 to be able to draw

00:32:16.800 this out of her

00:32:17.660 so you find

00:32:19.300 not only the brilliance

00:32:20.380 of Kamala Harris,

00:32:21.460 but you find just

00:32:22.300 whoever did this interview,

00:32:23.620 I mean,

00:32:23.880 this is someone

00:32:24.520 who knows how to do

00:32:25.360 a penetrating,

00:32:27.140 just evocative

00:32:30.280 kind of interview.

00:32:31.580 So here's the last,

00:32:32.560 the last piece of advice.

00:32:33.860 She says,

00:32:34.420 surround yourself

00:32:35.980 with really good friends.

00:32:39.040 Oh man.

00:32:41.280 Sorry.

00:32:41.820 I mean,

00:32:42.180 I am getting a little bit

00:32:42.980 emotional.

00:32:45.760 I've just,

00:32:46.600 I've never

00:32:48.260 encountered wisdom

00:32:50.120 like this.

00:32:51.180 And I really feel

00:32:52.220 like my whole life

00:32:53.040 has been changed now.

00:32:55.340 I mean,

00:32:55.660 Kamala Harris,

00:32:56.340 she makes Socrates

00:32:57.560 look like a,

00:32:58.280 look like a,

00:32:58.860 a vegetable

00:33:00.060 in comparison.

00:33:03.500 So thank you,

00:33:04.480 ABC.

00:33:05.400 And thank you,

00:33:06.360 Kamala Harris,

00:33:07.700 for that.

00:33:10.680 I think it gives us

00:33:11.560 all something

00:33:12.000 to think about.

00:33:14.420 And thanks for watching,

00:33:15.480 everybody.

00:33:15.820 Thanks for listening.

00:33:17.100 Godspeed.

00:33:17.500 I'm Michael Knowles,

00:33:24.740 host of The Michael Knowles Show.

00:33:26.020 The State of the Union

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00:33:27.640 but the State of the State

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00:33:29.060 is not strong.

00:33:30.300 Will Pelosi

00:33:30.840 disinvite Trump?

00:33:31.800 Will Trump show up anyway?

00:33:33.100 Do we even need

00:33:33.820 the State of the Union?

00:33:34.540 We will analyze.

00:33:35.480 Then,

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00:33:37.020 that Lindsey Graham 0.93

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00:33:40.440 may have colluded

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The Matt Walsh Show - January 17, 2019

Ep. 178 - Pence's Wife Attacked For Job At Christian School

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