The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1782 - My Response To The Lazy Morons Attacking My Civil Rights Show

00:00:00.000 When you challenge what have become the most sacred myths in American history, the myths that

00:00:05.460 provide the foundation and rationalization for leftist ideology, particularly the myths of the

00:00:10.740 civil rights era, people are going to come after you. And I knew we were going to be attacked and

00:00:16.760 dishonest and personal terms the moment we launched my Real History series. What I didn't quite expect

00:00:22.160 but probably should have expected is that the most aggressive attacks, many of them, would come not

00:00:27.080 from Antifa types, although we got plenty of that, but from people who think of themselves

00:00:31.980 as natural enemies of the left, the self-described free thinkers, conservatives, libertarians.

00:00:37.800 It turns out that when you tell the truth about American history, you make a lot of

00:00:41.780 enemies very quickly.

00:00:42.620 And today, as comprehensively as I can, I'm going to respond to these people.

00:00:47.840 Now, this is not merely an academic historical debate.

00:00:51.420 This is a battle that we simply need to win unless we want to see another 60 years of

00:00:56.360 anti-white racial discrimination and violence in this country. It's a battle we need to win unless

00:01:01.460 we want another 60 years in which white men are punished for the alleged sins of their ancestors, 0.76

00:01:06.720 leading to mass opioid deaths, suicides, bridge collapses, airplane crashes, substandard medical 0.82

00:01:12.460 care, and the general decline of every aspect of daily life. This has to end, and it has to end

00:01:18.300 right now. In order for it to end, we have to start with the truth. So on that note, here's a clip that

00:01:24.240 has now received millions of views and tens of thousands of replies on social media. It's a

00:01:29.200 short segment from one of our shows last week that was posted to X by an account called Wall

00:01:33.360 Street Apes. And here it is. Watch. The Rosa Parks story you were taught in school was fake too. This

00:01:40.840 was not just some woman on her way home from work. Civil rights leaders thought Parks would make a 1.00

00:01:45.520 sympathetic face for their lawsuit and then told her, a longtime NAACP volunteer, to create a 0.66

00:01:50.600 situation where she'd be arrested. This gets sold to the public as totally organic when actually

00:01:55.060 it's play acting to create ideal conditions for a court case or scandal. The iconic photo of Parks

00:02:00.340 on the bus was staged months after the incident as part of a press campaign. The white man sitting

00:02:05.480 behind her in the bus photo was a journalist, which you probably didn't know. Now that is 30

00:02:11.080 seconds. It's not the entirety of what I have to say about the subject. I did an hour-long monologue

00:02:16.440 last Monday about the myths surrounding the civil rights movement, plus an hour-long history

00:02:20.380 special, which itself is only part one of two. And the point about Rosa Parks, which I flesh out

00:02:26.620 in more detail in our last Real History episode, is part of a larger point about the civil rights

00:02:31.860 movement. The point is that you have been fed a lot of lies about the movement itself and the

00:02:36.900 people who led it and how they led it. You've also been fed lies about the ultimate impact of

00:02:41.560 the Civil Rights Act and its legacy. My goal is to correct the record and tell you the truth

00:02:46.220 for no other reason than the very simple reason that the truth matters, period.

00:02:51.940 Now, the point about Rosa Parks is not the most important point.

00:02:55.460 I never claimed it was.

00:02:57.120 It is my critics, of course, who've decided to glom on to this 30-second bit

00:03:01.220 and pretend that it's the entirety of my case 1.00

00:03:04.240 because they're too afraid or too dishonest or too stupid to engage with the whole argument. 0.99

00:03:09.500 Now, all that said, I have no intention of backtracking, 0.99

00:03:11.660 certainly no intention of apologizing for what you heard in that clip.

00:03:14.120 As a factual matter, everything I said was true. You can pull up a typical history textbook, including textbooks and resources published by the largest textbook publishers in the country, and you will not be told the full story about Rosa Parks.

00:03:28.300 We'll cycle through some images from these books on the screen right now. Every single one of these history textbooks fails to mention that Rosa Parks was a longtime activist. One of them simply describes her as a seamstress.

00:03:42.560 That is indeed the whole story that millions of school children have been taught for generations in which have been immortalized by Hollywood and the media.

00:03:51.040 The story is that Parks was an unassuming seamstress who sat herself down in the whites only section of the bus one day, tired after a long shift at work.

00:03:58.680 She was arrested and suddenly this meek and mild woman became the organic spark that set off a movement that changed the world.

00:04:06.040 It is just a fact that this is the story taught by our mainstream institutions.

00:04:10.760 it's also a fact that that story isn't entirely true. It fails to mention that she got arrested

00:04:18.580 on purpose as part of a larger movement of which she was a formal participant to galvanize public

00:04:22.880 support and change the law. It fails to mention that the iconic photograph of her on an empty

00:04:27.300 bus was staged. It fails to mention that she was a radical who was a regular attendee at

00:04:32.420 Communist Party meetings for years. It fails to mention that she attended the Highlander Folk 0.64

00:04:36.800 School in New Market, Tennessee, which was a school set up by a major labor union to train

00:04:40.640 agitators. And it fails to mention that, in fact, months before the Rosa Parks incident, another

00:04:45.140 woman, Claudette Colvin, was arrested in Montgomery when she refused to give up her seat for a white

00:04:49.320 passenger. But her story was not used as the same kind of rallying cry because she had an out of

00:04:53.580 wedlock child and was judged to be less sympathetic as a result. Now, these are all facts about Rosa

00:04:58.320 Parks. Do they mean that she was an evil person or that segregation was good? Do they mean that 0.54

00:05:04.400 the tactics were unjustified in this case? Do they mean that Rosa Parks ought to have just 0.51

00:05:09.400 sat in the back of the bus without complaint? No, obviously not. And if you interpret my

00:05:14.180 statements that way, then you are willfully obtuse or unwillfully obtuse, but certainly

00:05:18.680 obtuse in either case. And whatever the reason for your obtuseness, you are not suited to be

00:05:23.620 involved in adult conversations. The point about the facts is, first of all, that they are facts.

00:05:32.140 and they are facts that have been deliberately withheld from millions of Americans. Now, sure,

00:05:37.560 the facts are available to anyone who wants to go find them. It's not like I had to go searching in

00:05:43.420 an ancient tomb in the jungle somewhere like Indiana Jones to uncover these hidden secrets

00:05:48.140 of history. The facts are out there for anyone to discover at any time, but they are not a part

00:05:53.320 of the story that the school system generally tells. And they are not a part of our popular

00:05:58.840 conversation about Rosa Parks or the civil rights movement generally. I do want to mention one

00:06:04.720 thing somewhat as an aside, although I am obviously not demonizing Rosa Parks as I've

00:06:10.720 been accused of doing or attacking her, denigrating her at all, really. It's interesting to notice

00:06:15.500 that the very idea of someone allegedly attacking her is so repulsive and offensive to so many

00:06:23.820 people. Meanwhile, some of the greatest heroes in the history of mankind are regularly demonized,

00:06:32.340 denigrated, slandered, defamed, their monuments defaced, torn down, in some cases set on fire.

00:06:39.300 So Rosa Parks may not be even mildly critiqued. Her myth must not be questioned to the slightest

00:06:45.960 degree at all. And that is according to the very people who at the exact same time are pissing on

00:06:52.580 the ashes of the men who literally built Western civilization. And that should tell you something.

00:06:58.780 Now, anyway, back to the textbooks. One of the textbooks calls Parks an NAACP member,

00:07:04.640 which is obviously underselling her role in the organization. In truth, she was elected

00:07:07.480 secretary of the Montgomery branch of the NAACP. E.D. Nixon, president of the Montgomery NAACP

00:07:13.920 branch, had told her to contact him if she was ever arrested for refusing to comply with the

00:07:17.880 us's segregation rules after an earlier incident in which she was thrown off. And indeed, the

00:07:23.180 moment Parks was arrested, the NAACP sprang into action using Parks' arrest as a test case in the

00:07:28.280 courts, which of course was the plan all along. Textbooks also states, quote, Parks refused to

00:07:33.620 give her seat to a white man after being bailed out of jail. She decided to fight the laws requiring 1.00

00:07:38.720 segregation in court. This is from the textbook produced by OpenStax U.S. History, which describes

00:07:43.620 itself as a comprehensive peer-reviewed open educational resource textbook published by

00:07:47.780 OpenStax at Rice University. This is a resource that supposedly is used by more than 7 million

00:07:52.620 students annually, and it's deliberately misleading. She certainly did not spontaneously decide to fight

00:07:59.160 the laws requiring segregation after she got out of jail. That was instead the whole point of her

00:08:04.900 act of defiance in the first place. And that's not even getting into the egregious use of the

00:08:10.640 staged photograph of Rosa Parks, which I mentioned. We'll put that Scholastic book cover up on the

00:08:17.360 screen again. This is a book that, according to Scholastic, is attended for children in grades

00:08:22.460 four to six. It's a staged image showing Rosa Parks sitting on a mostly empty bus in front of 0.54

00:08:27.980 a white journalist. But if you're a fourth grader, or even if you're an adult, you probably don't

00:08:32.320 realize that. You'll come to the conclusion that you're seeing a photo of her civil disobedience

00:08:36.220 in action. The cruel white guy is demanding that she move, even though the bus is empty and, you

00:08:42.320 know, she's standing her ground. Pretty much every politician in the country has reinforced that 0.94

00:08:48.300 narrative, just as one example of many. Watch. This morning, we celebrate a seamstress,

00:08:57.740 slight in stature, but mighty in courage. She reminds us that this is how change happens.

00:09:06.220 Not mainly through the exploits of the famous and the powerful, but through the countless

00:09:14.080 acts of often anonymous courage and kindness and fellow feeling and responsibility that

00:09:25.740 continually, stubbornly expand our conception of justice, our conception of what is possible.

00:09:36.740 Which reminds us, this is how change happens, not mainly through the exploits of the famous and powerful, but through the countless acts of often anonymous courage and kindness and fellow feeling and responsibility.

00:09:45.820 This seamstress, though small in stature, was really mighty, he says.

00:09:49.760 Now, again, the implication is that she was just some anonymous woman who bravely defied expectations.

00:09:55.560 That's not actually true.

00:09:59.120 And I could pull a million more examples of these kinds of claims being made by school teachers and presidents and everybody in between.

00:10:06.220 We're all repeating the same narrative, which, again, is not true, and that should matter to you because the truth should matter to you.

00:10:14.960 Yet, as I mentioned, I was attacked pretty viciously from both sides of the political aisle just for pointing out the basic truth of this historical episode.

00:10:22.620 It would be impossible to go through and read every criticism, many of them totally hysterical, accusing me of somehow supporting segregation by attempting to shed light on the Rosa Parks narrative.

00:10:31.900 And instead of sifting through the entire pile of dim-witted gripes and complaints and accusations, instead I'll highlight and respond to just a few.

00:10:39.260 And these are all coming from people who claim to be on the right or at least not on the left.

00:10:45.000 So, for example, here's a hot take from Alex Griswold at the Foundation for Individual Rights in Expression, which used to be the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, or FIRE.

00:10:55.880 They changed their name recently.

00:10:57.040 This is an organization that many conservatives respect, and here's his defense of lying to schoolchildren about a key moment in American history. 1.00

00:11:04.180 Quote, the thing is, children are stupid. You do not present a nuanced version of history to five-year-olds, and that's okay. 1.00

00:11:10.720 The sole downside is that those who remain stupid don't pay attention when you introduce nuance later in their teens and believe they were lied to. 0.93

00:11:18.040 Now I should mention that Alex is in charge of comms over at FIRE 0.98

00:11:23.160 Whose foundational mission originally was an organization to defend the rights of students 1.00

00:11:27.420 And so it perhaps is somewhat alarming that this person also believes that students, at least at a young age, are, quote, stupid 0.99

00:11:35.280 Now perhaps Alex is only speaking for himself as a child 0.99

00:11:38.800 As a parent of six, I will tell you that in my experience, children are not stupid at all 1.00

00:11:43.440 Although they have a higher likelihood of becoming stupid if you treat them like they already are. 0.97

00:11:50.780 And in any case, there's nothing particularly nuanced about saying that Rosa Parks engineered the incident in the context of a larger coordinated effort rather than being some totally random person, anonymous person, who spontaneously became the focus of national discourse. 0.99

00:12:06.420 That's pretty straightforward.

00:12:08.360 That's not confusing.

00:12:09.060 Children can certainly grasp the context, the concept of that, and the context.

00:12:13.480 And of course, contrary to what Griswold says, most of these children are never informed about the lie.

00:12:20.640 They continue to believe that the Rosa Parks story into adulthood because everybody, even Obama himself, is repeating it.

00:12:27.400 So Alex imagines some fantasy scenario where young children are given an un-nuanced, largely false version of civil rights history,

00:12:35.940 and then a few years later are granted access to the full truth by the very same education system

00:12:41.660 that, by his own admission, lied to them earlier.

00:12:45.020 Now, that would be a rather insane way of teaching American history if it were real, but it isn't.

00:12:51.560 The fact is that the vast majority of Americans are never given anything but the childish version of events.

00:12:59.980 I mean, perhaps Alex will next claim that at some point later in their teens,

00:13:03.720 Children in school are also told that Martin Luther King Jr. was actually a communist, a plagiarist, and a sexual degenerate who did not preach or believe in a colorblind society, but rather advocated openly for a white men versus everyone else approach to race relations.

00:13:19.260 Those are also facts.

00:13:21.120 Will Alex Griswold look at us with a straight face and pretend that there's a point in a child's mainstream education where those facts are ever presented honestly?

00:13:29.940 No, we all know, put all this gaslighting to the side, that children in school are never given the true version of Martin Luther King Jr., the childish version of Martin Luther King Jr., which is to say the false version, is the only version ever provided.

00:13:49.020 That's also true of Rosa Parks, who I will freely admit was a much better human being than Martin Luther King Jr.

00:13:55.420 Now, continuing on, here's a post from the account Bronze Age Pervert, who pretends to be some kind of right-wing dissident, yet here our bold and brave right-wing dissident is strongly implying that I am racist for questioning the Rosa Parks narrative.

00:14:10.100 The photo was staged, but is Matt Walsh saying there was no colored seat rule for bus? Is he

00:14:15.740 admitting there was and that it would be a good thing? What was Rosa Parks arrested for? Is Matt

00:14:21.140 Walsh for that law or is he just saying facile things that seem radical but aren't? 1.00

00:14:28.600 No, I don't know much about the Bronze Age pervert. I don't really want to know much about him, 1.00

00:14:33.460 though I can't be surprised that a man who calls himself a pervert would also suffer apparently

00:14:37.360 from intellectual disabilities. Claiming that I must support segregation on buses if I question

00:14:42.460 the narrative about some of the people who oppose segregation on buses is like claiming that I must

00:14:47.240 support slavery if I question the mainstream narrative about slavery. And as it happens,

00:14:51.600 oh yeah, I have indeed been accused of just that. This is the game that leftists and now even

00:14:57.180 right-wing dissidents and self-described perverts like to play. They tell a story about the history

00:15:02.020 of slavery or segregation or some other evil. And if you just raise your hand and say, hey,

00:15:06.640 you know, that story is not entirely true, then you're immediately accused of supporting the evil

00:15:12.240 itself. You know, it's like if you got into a car accident and lied about some of the details and

00:15:17.040 then accused me of supporting car accidents or being happy that you were in one when I correct

00:15:23.420 you. Now, of course, all of the people attacking me understand that the truth does indeed matter.

00:15:30.060 It's a mortal threat to the narrative they've built. In fact, the point of portraying Rosa Parks

00:15:34.540 in that staged photograph, all alone or an empty bus with one white guy behind her,

00:15:39.700 is to send a message about white people in general, not just the white people involved

00:15:44.600 in segregation. Now, it's not a coincidence that the civil rights era and slavery are used today

00:15:50.120 to demonize white people universally and imbue a kind of blood guilt onto the entire race.

00:15:55.840 The reason why the civil rights movement is, to put it very generously, simplified in schools

00:16:02.220 is precisely so that this demonization effort will not be obstructed or made complicated

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00:20:04.920 Now, I suspect the real reason that all these people

00:20:07.260 are so angry at me for pointing out this fact

00:20:09.400 that supposedly everyone knows

00:20:11.060 is that they're aware that the emotional response to a trained activist getting arrested,

00:20:16.880 knowing she'd be immediately supported by her higher-ups,

00:20:19.680 is different than the emotional response to a tired seamstress being forced out of her seat on an empty bus.

00:20:26.060 Now, it's obviously wrong to force her out of her seat in either case, 0.60

00:20:30.860 but you get a much greater emotional response in the latter.

00:20:35.840 And so that's what they went with.

00:20:38.840 That's the kind of emotional narrative that's at the core of the legacy of the civil rights movement. 0.82

00:20:44.060 And what it has done over the years is lock white and black into permanent oppressor and oppressed roles. 0.97

00:20:50.100 And it's being used to justify things that go far beyond allowing people to sit wherever they want on the bus, which everybody agrees with. 0.98

00:20:59.780 In other words, they lie about this because it matters. 0.82

00:21:04.400 Only last month, decades after full legal equality was achieved, did the Supreme Court finally throw out parts of a civil rights era law that set aside special congressional districts for black people. 0.72

00:21:15.820 And for decades, policies that disadvantaged white people and favored minorities were not just widely accepted.

00:21:20.320 They were pushed by the government itself in many areas.

00:21:23.200 The legacy of the civil rights era is about something much more than equality.

00:21:26.500 And it would be far more difficult to sell to the public if it weren't for the decades of programming, which Americans are exposed to through media and the education system.

00:21:37.580 Now, the ultimate effect of all the little lies and omissions you see frequently in the popular history of the civil rights movement is to prime people to believe that even when atrocities were committed against whites by blacks, the white people deserved what they got due to some earlier collective offense. 0.55

00:21:55.020 and this priming worked. In part two of our civil rights documentary which will come out soon

00:22:00.080 we discussed the book Left Behind in Rosedale. It's full of first-hand accounts of the horrific

00:22:05.380 abuse that elderly whites endured in suburban Texas as a mostly white area gradually became 0.94

00:22:10.640 mostly black after the main drama of the civil rights movement and these are the white people 0.72

00:22:15.560 who couldn't flee, couldn't participate in so-called white flight and what happened to them 0.95

00:22:21.080 is they were beaten, raped, and even killed.

00:22:24.180 The elderly, women, people who couldn't defend themselves, 1.00

00:22:27.660 nobody was spared. 1.00

00:22:29.540 If this was happening in a remote jungle village overseas, 0.98

00:22:32.500 people would call it an ethnic cleansing.

00:22:34.740 Instead, it happened near Fort Worth,

00:22:37.260 and people barely talk about it.

00:22:39.800 And when the author of Left Behind and Rosedale

00:22:41.660 approached liberal academics about the murders

00:22:43.660 and sexual assaults and wanton anti-white violence 0.72

00:22:46.660 that he was witnessing, 0.96

00:22:47.780 the liberal academics told him essentially that,

00:22:49.580 Well, you know, the white people had it coming. Local officials refused to respond to the most obvious problem in the world, which is mass racial attacks on the elderly, because they too had internalized this view or had been rendered powerless by a society that had internalized it.

00:23:06.240 Of course, we saw similar arguments when major cities were torched during the 2020 racial reckoning. 0.91

00:23:12.100 We were told that small businesses in Kenosha, Wisconsin, had insurance, so we shouldn't object to mobs of black rioters destroying them. 0.97

00:23:20.280 Racist jokes can make national headlines, while horrific anti-white murders will go largely ignored. 0.99

00:23:26.620 This kind of insanity doesn't develop overnight. 0.91

00:23:31.820 It's carefully engineered over time.

00:23:35.300 And again, this is why the truth matters. Over at something called Unheard Magazine, thus named, I assume, because nobody's ever heard of it, a writer named Saurabh Amari pretended not to understand any of this.

00:23:49.160 And again, this is someone who would claim to be conservative or at least not a leftist.

00:23:53.600 And here's what he wrote in a blog post titled, Matt Walsh is promoting junk civil rights history.

00:23:58.680 This is a response to that 30 second clip of my show last week. Quote from Unheard.

00:24:03.220 The high school story on which I was reared in rural Utah, of all places, didn't hide the ball on Parks' activist background or the role of the wider civil rights movement in creating a confrontation that would lead to a constitutional challenge to de jure racial apartheid in the American South.

00:24:18.520 Meanwhile, the fact that there was planning involved doesn't turn Parks' case into play acting.

00:24:23.160 There really were laws in the books relegating black people to the back of the bus.

00:24:26.500 Parks really did break one such ordinance in 1955, and she really was arrested.

00:24:31.120 Now, immediately from reading this, I could tell that Sohrab has not watched our civil rights documentary.

00:24:35.260 It's obvious because we literally make this point in the episode he chose not to watch.

00:24:40.960 He doesn't cite a word from the documentary, which goes into much more detail on Parks and her specific story,

00:24:46.820 including why I'm bringing it up in the first place and why it matters.

00:24:52.040 So you can just listen to that rather than making wild assumptions.

00:24:54.940 but instead in a triumph of lazy editorializing, he quotes the 30-second clip of my daily show

00:25:01.940 from someone else's ex-account. Accuses me of promoting junk history, which if it were true

00:25:06.740 would certainly be a terrible indictment on my history series, but he didn't watch the history

00:25:11.080 series, not even one minute of it. He watched only a 30-second out-of-context clip and then

00:25:15.880 declared that my entire history project is junk. Now, I pointed this out to him and he responded

00:25:22.480 by saying, and I'm not making this up, that he doesn't need to listen to the actual point I'm

00:25:27.800 making, which he's allegedly responding to, because, quote, 10 million more hours wouldn't

00:25:34.320 be enough to redeem it. But in fact, it doesn't take 10 million hours to explain why the mainstream

00:25:40.520 Rosa Parks narrative is false. It actually took only a few minutes, but Sohrab doesn't have a few

00:25:45.440 minutes to spare. He's too busy writing clickbait junk for his failing blog about a history special

00:25:49.820 he didn't watch. This is not surprising coming from Sora, by the way, given that he has ties

00:25:53.820 to George Soros, the left-wing billionaire who wants to destroy America. This is reporting from

00:25:58.900 Vanity Fair, quote, this past June in London, the Open Society Foundations convened a meeting of

00:26:04.160 small publications from around the world. Editors traveled from South America, Nigeria, Mexico,

00:26:08.240 Argentina, the United States, and elsewhere. In the preceding year, the foundations, now under

00:26:12.240 the championship of George Soros' son, Alexander, unleashed what felt like a flood of funding in

00:26:17.580 a small budget world of little magazines. Standing apart from the other Americans

00:26:21.060 was Saurabh Amari, an editor of the online magazine Compact and the former op-ed editor

00:26:26.220 of the New York Post. Perhaps the only thing Amari shared with many of the other attendees

00:26:30.440 is that his magazine is a recipient of OSF funding. The tension in London was palpable.

00:26:37.720 Now with that history, you have to wonder who exactly is funding unheard? It's a tiny

00:26:43.520 publication with no real following. They haven't produced anything worthwhile. Just kind of

00:26:47.600 nonstop ankle biting like this. And they're furious about all about of all things, the fact

00:26:52.720 that a commentator is telling the truth about Rosa Parks. It's almost as if they understand

00:26:57.280 that if conversations about history continue, it will be devastating for the anti-American

00:27:01.960 movement in this country. The myth of the civil rights movement is a load bearing element in the

00:27:07.260 moral universe the left has tried to create. The more people learn how they've been lied to,

00:27:13.080 the harder they are to control. You know, you can't guilt someone who no longer trusts you.

00:27:20.540 Ironically enough, in the process of attacking me, Saurab claims I'm only interested in producing

00:27:24.360 inflammatory content for clicks, which is projection. You know, the ratio of work that

00:27:31.040 we put in with our history series compared to what he put into his hit piece is about, I don't know,

00:27:36.080 a thousand to one. Guys like Saurab are interested in sniping. We're interested in telling people the

00:27:42.720 truth about American history, which should be the goal of our public school systems and our

00:27:46.500 journalists, but it isn't. Now, keeping with this theme of fake intellectuals, one of the most

00:27:51.440 interesting responses I received was from the prominent blogger Matthew Iglesias. Here's what

00:27:57.080 he wrote about my Rosa Parks segment, quote, I guess I went to a better school because this is

00:28:02.880 exactly what they taught me. It's a brilliant case study in discipline, strategic, nonviolent action.

00:28:08.140 This is one of the most revealing posts I've ever seen on X,

00:28:11.440 and although we obviously didn't intend it to be,

00:28:13.840 because Iglesias attended Harvard University as well as the Dalton School in New York,

00:28:17.660 and these are some of the most elite schools in the United States.

00:28:20.120 Tuition at the Dalton School is around $70,000 a year,

00:28:22.540 which is quite a lot for a K-12 school, needless to say.

00:28:26.440 Well, it makes complete sense for these kinds of schools,

00:28:29.220 to be honest with their students about how the Rosa Parks narrative was engineered,

00:28:32.880 schools like Harvard and Dalton see their role as educating the next generation of activists

00:28:37.000 leaders. So these are the people who are supposed to go out into the world and concoct false

00:28:41.500 narratives and race hoaxes and grievance politics. They need to understand the mechanics of the

00:28:46.700 civil rights movement so they can re-implement them in the 21st century. Think of that con artist

00:28:51.600 Justin Pearson in Tennessee. He went to an elite private liberal arts school in Maine,

00:28:57.540 probably learned all about how civil rights leaders constructed this campaign

00:29:00.560 and the mass deception that followed. And now he's doing the same thing concerning the Voting

00:29:05.840 Rights Act and many other issues. Now, on the other hand, people who attended public school,

00:29:12.100 state colleges, by and large are fed the stock propaganda narrative. Left-wing academics see

00:29:19.420 these students as future foot soldiers or future victims, or both rendered passive by decades of

00:29:26.180 emotional priming. They'll be on the front lines voting for Democrats, attending the No Kings

00:29:31.300 rallies, blindly chanting the slogans that they're told to chant. Their role is to mindlessly

00:29:36.300 support whatever fake narrative is cooked up by graduates of schools like Harvard or meekly

00:29:40.680 accepted after the next round of mostly peaceful protests. And this is why there's been a full-on

00:29:47.160 assault against my entire history series, not just the episode on civil rights. One of the most

00:29:52.120 long-winded, though I won't say substantive objections that I've received in response to

00:29:58.080 my real history series came from a lengthy youtube video that i've seen reposted a few times on on x

00:30:03.460 and uh actually there have been a few of these several historians have posted positive reviews

00:30:08.400 but we'll focus on this one for now uh here it is watch in total an estimated 3 000 blacks

00:30:14.980 owned roughly 20 000 slaves in 1860 this figure seems to have its origins in a facebook meme i'm

00:30:20.440 not kidding which louis jacobson of politifact tried to fact check in 2017 but couldn't because

00:30:26.700 he couldn't trace it back to any sort of evidence. Even if the number was true, there's a couple of

00:30:30.700 facts that are being left out. Once again. Quote. For starters, even if the number is accurate,

00:30:35.680 it would still account for just a tiny percentage of all slaves held in the United States in 1860,

00:30:40.360 specifically one half of one percent. In addition, in the southern United States, if you were a black

00:30:45.300 person who bought a family member from a slave owner, you were not legally allowed to free that

00:30:49.500 person. Legally speaking, they would remain a slave, and their children would legally be slaves too.

00:30:54.220 Now, this has to be one of the more dishonest hit jobs on my work that I've ever seen.

00:30:58.940 And that's really saying something.

00:31:00.720 Most of his criticisms aren't interesting at all.

00:31:03.220 He attacks the editing, suggests that AI was used to produce the show, which isn't true.

00:31:07.920 But this particular criticism, which is an attempt to be substantive, an attempt anyway, is deliberately misleading.

00:31:15.380 He's saying that I pulled the statistic from a Facebook meme and then cites a PolitiFact article.

00:31:20.120 But he omits the most relevant portion of the PolitiFact article, which I will now read to you.

00:31:26.020 Quote, the most solid data we found was published in an article in The Root by Henry Louis Gates Jr., a Harvard University historian.

00:31:33.620 Gates cited research by Carter G. Woodson, an African-American historian who died in 1950.

00:31:38.480 He found that in 1830, a total of 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves.

00:31:45.140 With three more decades of population growth, it's plausible that the number of Black-owned

00:31:49.360 slaves could have grown to 20,000 by 1860, historians told us.

00:31:53.240 Quote, I'd imagine that the 20,000 figure quoted in the meme is probably not that far

00:31:58.580 off from being true, said Junius Rodriguez, a Eureka College historian and author of Slavery

00:32:03.680 in the United States, a social, political, and historical encyclopedia.

00:32:06.860 Okay. 0.84

00:32:08.220 In other words, there is indeed evidence that Blacks owned 20,000 slaves.

00:32:13.440 So ultimately, his criticism, I'm not effing kidding, is that my claim, according to the fact checker he is citing, is, quote, not that far off from being true.

00:32:26.500 Fact check rated not that far off from being true.

00:32:31.060 Okay, so what's the problem here?

00:32:35.060 That I'm right about what I said, but he thinks I learned it from Facebook, even if I did, which I didn't.

00:32:41.780 what difference would that make? Yeah, you're right about it, but you got it from Facebook.

00:32:47.880 Okay. If it's true, why does it matter where you got it? If it's true, is it true or not?

00:32:57.720 Turns out that it is. It would seem to me that that's the detail that matters.

00:33:04.000 Now, here's another alleged YouTube rebuttal from a guy whose parents have apparently forced

00:33:09.300 him to record his YouTube videos in the storage closet downstairs, which I totally understand

00:33:13.020 from the parents' perspective. Watch. The kingdom of Dahomey. The kingdom's wealth,

00:33:19.360 its military power, and its cultural splendor were built entirely on the systematic capture,

00:33:25.320 sale, and export of human beings. A Dahomey and king named Gezzo described the slave trade as 0.82

00:33:31.420 the ruling principle of my people. It is the source of their glory and health. Okay, yeah, 0.67

00:33:35.720 this guy, this king, all kings. How does this somehow absolve Europeans at the helm of the 0.98

00:33:45.460 transatlantic slave trade of their responsibility in this? And by the way, again, what he leaves

00:33:52.540 out, something that Dr. Sek was telling us when we were filming our movie, is that who is encouraging

00:33:59.720 this perpetual warfare, right? Who is creating this demand for human trafficking? Was it the

00:34:07.220 kings of Dahomey? To some extent, sure, but maybe a slightly bigger factor was that West Africa at

00:34:16.800 this time was becoming sort of enfolded in the global network of capital. Economic pressures

00:34:21.960 were coming into the region right people were becoming dependent on uh this global network of

00:34:31.120 trade and europeans were at the helm of it and in order to to play these west african kingdoms had 0.92

00:34:37.600 to pay and that meant that they had to wage war on their neighbors and create that you know that 0.97

00:34:42.740 that uh supply of of flesh for the europeans doesn't absolve them the dahomians not at all 0.94

00:34:49.460 It doesn't absolve them. It's not it's not a question of like that. They are blameless here. 1.00

00:34:53.220 Like, of course, then them. But let's be let's have an idea of the bigger picture here.

00:34:59.540 So this falls once again. I mean, you notice a theme here with a lot of these rebuttals from people who are clearly upset.

00:35:05.400 But then you get down to the core of the rebuttal. And it really is like, yeah, Matt Walsh is right.

00:35:11.100 But why is he saying it? That's that's basically the criticism of the slavery episode of Rosa Parks bit.

00:35:19.460 Of all of it, the criticism is, well, yeah, you're right, but why do you feel the need to say it?

00:35:26.700 He's not disputing what I'm saying.

00:35:28.820 Instead, he comes up with an excuse that doesn't make any sense. 1.00

00:35:31.600 The Dahomey apparently were compelled to do horrible things because of capitalism. 0.99

00:35:36.540 I guess it was capitalism that made them adopt religious rituals in which they'd execute thousands of captives. 0.99

00:35:41.260 I guess it was capitalism that led these African kings to continue practicing slavery long after Western powers had attempted to end the practice.

00:35:51.180 That's an important detail here. 0.83

00:35:53.140 They kept doing it in Africa long after Western powers had gotten out of the slavery business completely. 0.55

00:36:01.260 They kept it going in Africa and in the Arab world.

00:36:06.060 but you know somehow uh right there is a capitalism made them do it it's all very

00:36:12.440 coherent you see uh these are these are smart people that we're talking about here he does

00:36:18.520 make sure to clarify that the barbarism and butchery of the um tahomi empire was uh you know

00:36:24.980 does not absolve europeans of their role in slavery and which is i admit an extremely fascinating

00:36:30.660 rebuttal to a point that i never made the fact that americans and europeans played a role in

00:36:35.700 slavery and were wrong for having done so, is extremely well established at this point.

00:36:42.020 Nobody denies that. Everybody knows that. In fact, it's basically the only thing that the vast

00:36:49.080 majority of people know about slavery. My goal is to tell them about all the other stuff that

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00:39:43.760 Now, in any case, I don't want to focus too much on the left-wing activists because, again, I knew they'd respond like this.

00:39:51.100 The response from allegedly conservative outlets has been more surprising.

00:39:54.160 Here's a representative post from somebody named Giancarlo Sopo, who used to work at the Daily Wire,

00:39:59.740 but who now posts uninteresting slop for the National Review and some other outlets too.

00:40:06.440 I don't know.

00:40:07.040 He's responding to my Rosa Parks segment, or at least 30 seconds of it.

00:40:10.240 And here's what he says.

00:40:11.860 Quote, there's nothing edgy or remotely interesting about this.

00:40:14.540 It's well known that the photo was staged.

00:40:15.960 It's listed that way in the Library of Congress and in Rosa Parks' own autobiography.

00:40:19.560 that civil rights leaders told her to create a situation where she'd be arrested as a fabrication.

00:40:24.040 It also overlooks the larger moral truth of what was happening at the time,

00:40:27.640 a regime of state-enforced racial humiliation that a woman of conscience refused to obey,

00:40:32.000 an intellectual coward's idea of an expose, no different from the Churchill or World War II revisionism,

00:40:37.400 a kernel of a fact, load-bearing lie packaged as we've been lied to about everything.

00:40:42.800 Everyone associated with this should be embarrassed.

00:40:45.100 Now, intellectual coward, says Giancarlo, who is obviously very brave, which is why

00:40:52.420 he's jumping on a Twitter dogpile, saying the same thing that everyone else has already 0.57

00:40:56.520 said, and passive-aggressively announcing that everyone associated with this should

00:41:01.040 be embarrassed, when he really just wants to say Matt Walsh should be embarrassed, but

00:41:04.860 he's too afraid to say my name.

00:41:06.580 And of course, as established, that 30-second cherry-picked clip is not my idea of an exposé.

00:41:12.200 my idea of an expose is the entire documentary I just published on the subject and which Giancarlo

00:41:18.160 did not watch, did not cite, and yet has lumped in with World War II revisionism because people

00:41:22.720 like Giancarlo, guys who are not particularly bright or imaginative, are basically biologically

00:41:27.600 incapable of having any conversation about any historical subject without roping World War II 0.67

00:41:32.300 and Nazis into it. And along those lines, here's more sneering from Emily Zanotti. Again, this is

00:41:38.600 about that 30 second Rosa Parks clip, quote, we're being led astray by the class idiots who let you 1.00

00:41:44.040 do all the work on the group project and only show up to the presentation. And it's time we 0.99

00:41:48.240 all just fought back a little. We weren't lied to. You're just dumb and lack any intellectual

00:41:52.800 curiosity. So, you know, if you believe what your history books were telling you, if you believed it 1.00

00:41:59.640 for your whole life, what the historians and media outlets were telling you, then you're dumb. 1.00

00:42:03.780 You lack intellectual curiosity. It's not their fault they lied to you. It's your fault that 1.00

00:42:08.480 you as a child took their fraudulent narrative seriously. And you can read through many of the

00:42:13.660 comments to my video, both on social media and on Daily Wire, and you'll find plenty of people

00:42:17.760 who are admitting that, in fact, they had no idea they were being lied to. According to Emily

00:42:22.900 Zanotti, all of those people are morons. And she's the enlightened one. She's much smarter than you, 1.00

00:42:28.400 you see. And she's very excited to let you know about that. We shouldn't worry about the fact

00:42:34.380 that the schools are brainwashing people with false narratives. It's their fault for being

00:42:38.380 brainwashed. Brilliant point, Emily. Now, there are about a million posts like this. Here's one

00:42:44.140 more. This one's from Robert Downing, who's apparently a senior writer at Texas Monthly.

00:42:50.100 Quote, it's funny that this is being treated like a dunk, as if Rosa Parks willingly challenged the

00:42:54.440 system of segregation, despite knowing full well the dangers from her years investigating sexual 0.72

00:42:57.960 violence against black women, doesn't make her even more admirable. Well, it's interesting.

00:43:03.500 If the true story of Rosa Parks makes her more admirable than the fake one, why are the vast majority of students in the country learning the fake one?

00:43:13.900 Shouldn't you, of all people, be the—shouldn't you be even more upset that they're learning the fake story?

00:43:18.400 That, as you say, makes her less admirable?

00:43:22.560 Why all the lying?

00:43:24.620 Why is there no curiosity about this question whatsoever from a senior writer, whatever that means, at an outlet that describes itself as the national magazine of Texas?

00:43:33.500 And speaking of intellectual curiosity, you'd think that this kind of reply would draw some

00:43:38.060 ire from women like Emily Zanotti, but apparently not. Instead, because my show was clipped down

00:43:42.800 to a 30-second soundbite, I'm described as dunking on Rosa Parks by simply the telling

00:43:47.640 the truth. A truth that my critics at once insist is so obvious that it doesn't need to be said,

00:43:53.460 and also that by saying it, I'm launching a racist attack against a civil rights hero.

00:43:58.960 well which is it i'm either saying something everybody already knows which would make me 0.95

00:44:06.040 at worst guilty of needlessly stating the obvious or i'm attacking a black woman with racist

00:44:11.340 invectives it can't possibly be both i mean this is true everyone knows it and also it's racist

00:44:20.400 that seems to be the critical consensus and i must admit i find it a bit bewildering

00:44:27.160 A leftist slop account with an inexplicably large following, which is to say they're mostly bots, called Evan Loves Wharf, posted this response.

00:44:38.080 Attacking Rosa Parks literally only makes sense if you think black people should have to sit in the back of the bus.

00:44:45.760 But wait a minute.

00:44:47.140 Giancarlo just informed me very reliably that my point is not edgy and is in keeping with what the Library of Congress itself would tell us.

00:44:53.580 So again, which is it?

00:44:54.420 I mean, is this a boring historical factoid that nobody denies, or is it a broadside attack against the very idea of equal rights?

00:45:01.720 My critics can't seem to choose between these two options, so instead they've just pulled both levers at once.

00:45:08.000 The fact that so many respectable conservatives can't help but rush to defend a load-bearing liberal historical myth is extremely notable.

00:45:16.240 And it gives us an idea of why, for decades, the American right basically accomplished nothing at all.

00:45:21.660 Turns out the National Review types held the same assumptions and underlying beliefs as the modern left.

00:45:26.100 They were more concerned with beating back effective elements of the right than taking on the left.

00:45:30.820 And as you can see from the response to what we're doing today, that hasn't changed.

00:45:35.780 What's changed is that these people are no longer relevant, and that really ticks them off.

00:45:41.520 And by the way, this is what makes it impossible to have any kind of intellectual conversation about any subject, really.

00:45:51.380 Because we can spend an hour laying out the facts in a well-researched, thoroughly explained way with copious citations and, you know, the vultures in social media who pretend to be the vanguards of intellectual discourse will look for the 30-second snippet that sounds the most inflammatory and use that to discredit the entire argument.

00:46:12.340 And if nothing else, all this tells us a lot about the conservative movement, whose impulse here is to police the right rather than take on the left and their major culture-shaping myths.

00:46:21.780 It makes you wonder what their goals are, what their goals ever were.

00:46:26.700 Of course, apart from their ideological agenda, all these people are, you know, mainly doing this for clicks.

00:46:32.820 It's just grist for the content mill.

00:46:36.440 And they do this all the while pretending to be the serious intellectuals in the conversation.

00:46:42.080 We can speculate about what's really going on here.

00:46:44.520 You know, maybe open society funding from Soros is contributing.

00:46:48.960 Maybe we're seeing the result of personal jealousy and resentment, people who are upset that they've lost their audience, lashing out at someone who has not.

00:46:56.900 Whatever the case, no one is more deserving of your suspicion and your contempt than someone who tells you that the truth doesn't matter.

00:47:08.000 Anyone who attacks your motivations for telling the truth or who insists that the truth is subservient to a larger narrative simply cannot be trusted.

00:47:18.180 communist agitators use the civil rights movement as a tool to enact a total transformation of the

00:47:24.840 American legal system that has led to countless deaths and destroyed major U.S. cities and ushered

00:47:31.000 in a campaign of overt anti-white discrimination that continues to this day. That is a fact.

00:47:38.900 And the reason they don't want you to learn the truth about that, the reason both leftists and

00:47:44.200 fake conservatives are united in trying to shout me down at the moment, is that they aren't done

00:47:49.640 yet. I'll do it for the show today. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Talk to you

00:47:54.480 tomorrow. Have a great day. Godspeed.

00:48:03.880 Martin Luther King Jr. is an American icon, widely considered one of the greatest Americans

00:48:08.320 who ever lived. A man who had a vision for a colorblind society, a post-racial America.

00:48:15.520 He had a dream, it's just not the dream you thought it was. Were his true aims a colorblind

00:48:20.960 society or something far more radical who bankrolled him? What unfolded behind the

00:48:26.400 scenes in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963? Was civil disobedience actually peaceful?

00:48:32.560 we wanted to show you a clip of the i have a dream speech but according to our lawyers we

00:48:38.920 can't in fact king's family has made a lot of money suing media outlets they want to silence

00:48:43.580 critics like us what they're doing makes it very difficult to judge martin luther king jr

00:48:48.120 not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character is america today stronger more

00:48:54.420 unified and racially equal than before king's rise these questions demand answers and as americans

00:49:00.700 we are entitled to a full accounting of the Civil Rights Movement and its consequences.

00:49:04.780 King's Movement fundamentally transformed our country and our system of government.

00:49:09.020 I speak as a citizen of the world.

00:49:11.900 Each day the war goes on, the hatred increases, though the cause of evil prosper.

00:49:18.460 The first part of our two-part special on the Civil Rights Movement,

00:49:21.420 A New Constitution, available now on Daily Wire Plus.

The Matt Walsh Show - May 19, 2026

Ep. 1782 - My Response To The Lazy Morons Attacking My Civil Rights Show

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