The Matt Walsh Show - January 24, 2019


Ep. 183 - It's Time To Excommunicate Pro-Abortion Catholics


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43 minutes

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159.28659

Word Count

6,999

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427

Misogynist Sentences

31

Hate Speech Sentences

24


Summary

New York just passed a law that makes abortion legal at all stages of pregnancy, up to and including birth, for any reason. What does this mean for post-birth abortions? And why should Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, be excommunicated?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, we'll talk more about that awful abortion law in New York,
00:00:04.060 and I'll explain why the arguments made to support that law and every poor pro-abortion law
00:00:09.740 apply just as well to post-birth abortion.
00:00:13.700 Also, why hasn't Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, been excommunicated yet?
00:00:17.980 Finally, we'll talk about why the State of the Union address is a disgrace and an embarrassment
00:00:23.140 and should be finally abolished.
00:00:25.460 We'll talk about that today on the Matt Wall Show.
00:00:30.000 Hello and welcome to the Matt Wall Show. Thanks for being here.
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00:00:44.360 Now, yesterday we talked about the barbarous, inhuman law that was just passed by the New York State Legislature,
00:00:52.060 which makes abortion legal through every stage of pregnancy.
00:00:55.320 And I explained yesterday how this law indeed will give women the ability, the power to get an abortion at any time,
00:01:04.220 at any point in their pregnancy, up till birth for any reason.
00:01:10.000 Now, the language of the law does stipulate that late-term abortions are reserved for women who have health concerns
00:01:18.240 or in order to protect a woman's, a mother's health.
00:01:20.960 But that language is so intentionally vague that it could apply to any situation at all.
00:01:26.580 As I said, you know, are we talking physical health, emotional health, psychological health, financial health, spiritual health?
00:01:32.740 It seems like any and all of those could qualify.
00:01:36.160 Besides, abortion is never actually necessary to protect a woman's health or her life.
00:01:42.820 So anytime that qualifier is put into the law, that means that there's something else going on,
00:01:50.880 because that category of abortion doesn't actually exist.
00:01:54.140 So what are they really doing there?
00:01:56.580 Obviously, they're just providing a very kind of vague way for anyone to get an abortion.
00:02:02.560 As long as they—so maybe in New York, if you're a woman, you want to get an abortion at 30 weeks or 32 weeks or whatever.
00:02:09.760 You might have to couch your reason in terms of health, but that's really it.
00:02:17.300 And I think that this point is really crucial.
00:02:22.220 I know that I hammered it yesterday, so I'm not going to spend a lot of time on it today,
00:02:25.400 but it's important that we stop and appreciate just how gratuitous and how unnecessary late-term abortion actually is.
00:02:34.160 Because the way that the left talks about it, the way that abortion advocates talk about it,
00:02:38.800 they're going to say that, well, nobody even gets late-term abortions unless they really need it.
00:02:44.760 So this is—they act like late-term abortions are the most necessary forms of abortion,
00:02:51.320 as in nobody would ever get something like that unless they absolutely needed it.
00:02:56.920 Well, that's not true at all.
00:03:00.160 Of course, all abortion is gratuitous, and all abortion at any stage in any form is unnecessary and evil.
00:03:07.380 But that's especially the case with a late-term abortion, because—here's the reason why.
00:03:17.640 Because a woman in the third trimester, if she wanted to or needed to end her pregnancy,
00:03:25.220 she could easily do it without killing the baby.
00:03:29.160 So even with an abortion, if she's getting an abortion in the third trimester,
00:03:39.240 she's going to have to go into labor and delivery either way.
00:03:43.580 If she gets an abortion, that means that the baby's going to be killed one or two days before labor and delivery.
00:03:51.500 But you could just cut that step out, which is a dangerous step for the mother as well, by the way.
00:03:56.200 You could just cut that out and deliver the baby.
00:03:58.640 You could have a C-section, and you're good to go.
00:04:00.860 Take the baby out, and boom, the pregnancy's over.
00:04:03.580 It could be over in a few minutes.
00:04:08.540 That extra step of killing the baby is completely unnecessary.
00:04:12.680 It is just murder, that's all.
00:04:14.800 There's no reason to do it.
00:04:17.300 Even in a situation where a woman legitimately does have to end her pregnancy
00:04:22.640 because of some serious health complication,
00:04:25.320 those situations happen.
00:04:27.200 There's no reason, though, to directly kill the baby ahead of time.
00:04:33.440 You could talk to any real doctor,
00:04:36.960 anyone who's, or any nurse who's worked in the labor and delivery departments of a hospital,
00:04:45.620 and they'll talk about, you know,
00:04:47.300 they've plenty of situations where you have these emergency situations
00:04:51.800 where you've got to get the baby out.
00:04:54.180 That does happen.
00:04:55.320 It's rare in any individual case, but overall, it happens kind of frequently.
00:05:02.160 But what they'll tell you, if they're being honest,
00:05:03.780 is that there's never been a situation where they had to directly kill the baby in the process.
00:05:08.420 Why would you ever have to do that?
00:05:10.880 There may be plenty of situations where you can't save the baby, sadly, tragically,
00:05:16.700 despite your best efforts, but you have to directly kill it.
00:05:19.700 Why?
00:05:21.960 So, killing the baby ahead of time is just,
00:05:24.320 not only is it evil and terrible and awful, which all abortion is,
00:05:31.160 but it's also, it's just as evil and just as unnecessary and just as egregious
00:05:37.760 as killing the baby after the birth.
00:05:41.000 There's no difference.
00:05:43.560 There's no difference at all.
00:05:44.860 None.
00:05:45.220 Not even a slight difference.
00:05:47.640 There is not even a slight difference between late-term abortion and post-birth abortion.
00:05:52.520 And I would challenge any pro-abortion person to come up with an argument against post-birth abortion
00:05:59.760 that would not also apply to late-term abortion.
00:06:03.680 You can't do it.
00:06:04.380 Or come up with an argument for late-term abortion that would not also apply to post-birth abortion.
00:06:11.420 You can't do it.
00:06:12.000 In fact, you really can't come up with an argument for abortion at any stage
00:06:17.200 that would not also apply to born infants.
00:06:21.120 Let's think about this.
00:06:22.780 There are really only four arguments, okay?
00:06:25.560 There are four arguments for abortion.
00:06:27.840 And they're all bad arguments, but these are the arguments, okay?
00:06:31.760 There are really no other arguments.
00:06:34.260 Number one, the number one main argument now is the woman's autonomy has to be respected.
00:06:41.620 It's what the woman wants to do.
00:06:43.320 The baby is dependent on her and on her body and on her life, and she has a right to autonomy,
00:06:52.540 so she should be able to express that right, enjoy that right whenever she wants.
00:06:58.640 And so if she decides that, you know what, I don't want this baby being dependent on me anymore,
00:07:03.180 then that's it.
00:07:04.340 So that's the number one argument, autonomy.
00:07:06.060 Number two, they'll say that the fetus, scare quotes around fetus,
00:07:10.420 is not fully developed, and thus it's not a real person.
00:07:14.700 Number three, they'll say the fetus is dependent on his mother, and thus not a person.
00:07:20.420 And number four, they'll say sometimes the other argument is,
00:07:23.560 well, if the fetus is not aborted, it will just become an unwanted child,
00:07:30.100 and we already have enough of those to deal with, right?
00:07:32.580 So those are the four arguments.
00:07:35.560 Autonomy, not fully developed, thus not a person, dependent, thus not a person, overpopulation.
00:07:41.620 So those are you go.
00:07:43.500 There you go.
00:07:44.000 That's the whole argument for abortion.
00:07:46.620 Every single one of those arguments, every single one,
00:07:51.060 applies just as much, if not even more, to post-birth procedures, let's call them.
00:07:58.480 So it's a matter of drawing lines, right?
00:08:02.800 You've got to decide where to draw the line.
00:08:05.800 And the point that pro-lifers have been making all along is that we've got to draw the line somewhere.
00:08:10.720 The only sensible place to draw the line is at conception.
00:08:16.280 To draw the line there and say you cannot kill the babies in the womb.
00:08:20.460 Once conception has occurred, now you have a distinct, separate, living entity,
00:08:28.820 which in the first few moments and days and weeks after conception
00:08:33.700 might not look like a fully grown and developed person,
00:08:37.760 but this is a distinct human entity, a person.
00:08:45.960 And that's the only sensible place to draw the line.
00:08:48.660 Once you have that human living entity, you've got to draw the line there.
00:08:54.740 You can't kill it.
00:08:56.700 If you don't draw the line there, then you're left with,
00:09:03.140 there is no other non-arbitrary place to draw it.
00:09:08.960 And if you're not going to draw it at conception,
00:09:11.380 there is no reason at all to draw it at birth.
00:09:14.100 Nothing really changes at birth.
00:09:15.760 That's the thing.
00:09:16.380 Nothing really changes at birth other than now the baby is in a different location.
00:09:23.260 It was inside the mother before, now it's outside.
00:09:25.460 So what?
00:09:27.260 What difference does that make?
00:09:30.040 There's no reason to draw the line there.
00:09:33.520 There's no reason to draw it in the moments after birth either.
00:09:36.540 There's no reason to draw it in infancy.
00:09:38.560 If a woman decides to keep her post-birth fetus for a while,
00:09:46.960 she's still going to discover that this creature is an enormous strain on her body,
00:09:52.860 on her time, on her energy, on her life.
00:09:56.000 In fact, the infant is much more an imposition on her autonomy
00:10:00.860 than it was while it was inside her body.
00:10:03.680 Anyone who's had an infant knows this.
00:10:08.400 When you have an infant in the house, do you feel like an autonomous person?
00:10:14.560 No, because you've got this infant that you have to take care of constantly.
00:10:17.940 At least while the baby's inside your body, you don't have to...
00:10:21.680 The process mostly takes care of itself, right?
00:10:27.100 But with an infant, it's like every waking moment,
00:10:31.140 you're taking care of this baby.
00:10:32.440 You're accounting for the baby.
00:10:33.560 You've got to wake up in the middle of the night and feed it.
00:10:35.720 And you're changing his diapers.
00:10:37.480 And you've got to buy diapers.
00:10:39.800 You've got to start buying all these things.
00:10:41.300 So now there's that financial strain as well.
00:10:44.960 An infant is as much, as I said, as much an imposition
00:10:48.260 on a woman's autonomy and the father's autonomy,
00:10:52.440 if he's involved, hopefully he is,
00:10:55.440 as the baby was while it was still inside the mother's body.
00:11:00.780 So what if a mother decides,
00:11:03.440 what if she comes to the conclusion after, say, two months or six months
00:11:07.280 that motherhood actually is not the best decision for her?
00:11:10.260 What if she decides that she doesn't want to do this?
00:11:15.860 She doesn't want to structure her entire life
00:11:18.260 around this baby.
00:11:19.520 She doesn't want to have to feed the baby.
00:11:20.820 She doesn't want to do these things.
00:11:22.840 It's her life, right?
00:11:24.040 She's autonomous.
00:11:25.580 What if she gets a major job offer
00:11:27.540 and discovers that the infant fetus
00:11:31.200 makes it difficult for her to thrive in her new position?
00:11:35.100 Or even that with this baby,
00:11:37.020 she can't even accept the position?
00:11:40.820 Or what if a thousand other scenarios,
00:11:42.660 it's none of our business anyway, right?
00:11:44.300 Don't want a post-birth abortion, don't get one.
00:11:46.700 Isn't that the slogan?
00:11:48.820 So arguments one, two, three, and four that I outlined above,
00:11:52.800 they all still hold in this case.
00:11:57.220 The infant fetus interferes with her autonomy.
00:12:00.040 It is not fully developed.
00:12:01.180 It is completely dependent.
00:12:03.520 And now that it's unwanted,
00:12:04.920 it has become a member of an overcrowded category.
00:12:08.200 So why shouldn't she be able to consult with a licensed physician
00:12:12.180 and make a decision that's best for her?
00:12:13.980 Besides, post-birth abortions happen all the time anyway.
00:12:20.560 You can make them illegal,
00:12:22.300 but it's not going to stop them from happening.
00:12:23.840 They still are going to happen.
00:12:25.180 That's just the reality of the world.
00:12:27.600 Isn't it better for there to be a safe and sanitary facility provided
00:12:30.780 rather than for her to have to do it in a back alley
00:12:34.140 or in a bathtub or something?
00:12:35.480 And we can't draw the line either.
00:12:39.300 So there's no reason to,
00:12:41.580 if we're going to allow abortions of infants in the womb,
00:12:45.540 there's no reason to not allow them of infants outside of the womb.
00:12:48.220 And there's also no reason to disallow abortions of toddlers
00:12:54.240 or, you know, toddler fetuses or adolescent fetuses
00:12:58.220 because these fetuses also continue to make demands on a woman's autonomy.
00:13:03.880 They are also wholly dependent on their parents.
00:13:08.800 They're also underdeveloped physically.
00:13:11.420 Thus, apparently, they're not people in the strictest sense.
00:13:14.500 So what if a woman discovers that motherhood is the wrong choice for her
00:13:20.240 when her, you know, fetus turns four or six or eight
00:13:23.900 or just enters middle school?
00:13:26.140 If we don't draw the line anywhere in the child's utero development,
00:13:31.200 then why draw it during its post-utero development?
00:13:35.300 And on what basis?
00:13:37.760 Now, am I suggesting that if we accept abortion,
00:13:41.300 then we may as well allow a woman to abort her fetus at any age whatsoever?
00:13:45.500 No, of course, I'm not saying that.
00:13:46.360 Don't be silly.
00:13:47.240 Because once the fetus graduates high school,
00:13:49.240 then, and it becomes independent, emancipated,
00:13:52.640 it's fully grown, it's gotten through puberty.
00:13:54.760 Now it is a fully grown entity.
00:13:57.720 And so now I think there is the possibility
00:14:00.800 that we could consider it a person, but only a possibility.
00:14:04.560 Because we've already agreed, remember,
00:14:06.360 that personhood is based on a fetus's physical development
00:14:10.620 and on its ability to care for itself.
00:14:13.260 So what about, for example, a 23-year-old disabled individual?
00:14:19.120 What about an adult on welfare?
00:14:22.200 What about someone who's homeless?
00:14:23.980 What about someone who's sick and elderly?
00:14:27.440 What about those who are physically developed
00:14:29.440 but never reach the intellectual development
00:14:32.280 that could rightly afford them a claim to personhood?
00:14:35.160 Clearly, according to abortion advocates,
00:14:39.400 we cannot in good conscience continue to consider
00:14:43.280 all of them to be people.
00:14:45.000 Those are just fetuses too.
00:14:46.940 By the way, remember, fetus is just Latin for offspring.
00:14:50.860 So that's all that is.
00:14:52.800 That's all that means.
00:14:53.540 So those are also offspring that,
00:14:56.800 according to arguments 1, 2, 3, and 4,
00:15:00.240 cannot be considered people
00:15:01.440 and should be candidates for abortion.
00:15:05.160 Now, it's easy to say that I'm making a straw man here,
00:15:08.940 or I'm engaging in a slippery slope fallacy.
00:15:13.660 Well, it is a slippery slope, but it's not a fallacy.
00:15:16.720 In fact, it's a fallacy to say
00:15:18.340 that every slippery slope argument is a fallacy.
00:15:21.000 That's not true.
00:15:22.120 Because sometimes you are on a slope,
00:15:24.160 and sometimes it is slippery.
00:15:25.540 That's just a fact.
00:15:26.440 And the point here that I'm trying to illustrate is
00:15:30.400 that I can take all of the arguments for abortion,
00:15:36.100 all of them,
00:15:37.660 and I can take them fully intact,
00:15:41.480 preserving their integrity, if I can call it that,
00:15:44.800 and I can take them over here,
00:15:48.960 and I can apply them to infants,
00:15:51.680 to toddlers, to adolescents,
00:15:53.660 to the disabled,
00:15:54.900 to people on welfare,
00:15:56.760 to people who are intellectually stunted,
00:16:00.580 to the elderly,
00:16:02.780 and so on.
00:16:03.540 I can really apply all of those arguments
00:16:06.620 to all of those groups.
00:16:10.980 That should trouble you
00:16:12.520 as a pro-abortion advocate.
00:16:15.600 Because if you can look and say,
00:16:17.840 wow, okay,
00:16:18.640 all of my arguments could easily be used
00:16:21.440 to justify the Holocaust,
00:16:24.040 then that means that either your arguments are bad,
00:16:28.940 or your position is bad,
00:16:30.660 or both.
00:16:31.220 That's the whole point of a slippery slope argument.
00:16:34.900 That's why a slippery slope argument
00:16:36.720 can be a very legitimate argument.
00:16:42.100 Because the whole point is to show you,
00:16:43.980 if I can take your argument,
00:16:45.460 whatever argument you made,
00:16:46.640 if I can take it intact,
00:16:49.640 and use it to justify something
00:16:51.620 that we all agree is horrible,
00:16:54.340 then there's something wrong with your argument.
00:16:58.300 Or there's something wrong with your position.
00:17:01.220 Now, in this case,
00:17:02.600 there are no other arguments available for abortion,
00:17:05.820 so that means there's just something
00:17:07.560 very wrong with your position.
00:17:10.200 Your position is bad.
00:17:11.840 It's terrible.
00:17:12.560 It's evil.
00:17:14.600 Speaking of evil,
00:17:15.760 Governor Andrew Cuomo in New York
00:17:17.500 has been a huge cheerleader of this new law.
00:17:21.540 He even lit the World Trade Center pink
00:17:23.340 to celebrate it.
00:17:24.920 Cuomo is an alleged Catholic.
00:17:26.920 Not only Catholic,
00:17:28.800 but he cites his Catholic faith
00:17:31.180 all the time
00:17:32.400 to advocate for positions
00:17:34.140 that he holds,
00:17:36.520 which means
00:17:37.420 that the bishops in New York
00:17:39.860 really have a role to play here,
00:17:42.180 don't they?
00:17:43.360 It seems like they should have something to say
00:17:45.180 and something to do as well.
00:17:47.720 Well, what have they done?
00:17:49.160 The bishops in New York,
00:17:50.300 they did issue a statement a few days ago
00:17:52.260 about this law
00:17:53.320 where they expressed their sadness.
00:17:55.700 I'm going to read the statement to you.
00:17:57.200 The statement is
00:17:57.960 from the bishops in New York.
00:18:00.600 Words are insufficient
00:18:01.380 to describe the profound sadness
00:18:02.960 we feel
00:18:03.520 at the contemplated passage
00:18:04.720 of New York State's
00:18:05.580 new proposed abortion policy.
00:18:07.900 We mourn the unborn infants
00:18:09.240 who will lose their lives
00:18:10.220 and that many mothers and fathers
00:18:11.980 will suffer remorse and heartbreak
00:18:13.160 as a result.
00:18:13.820 The so-called Reproductive Health Act
00:18:15.460 will expand our state's
00:18:16.620 already radically permissive law
00:18:17.960 by empowering more health practitioners
00:18:19.320 to provide abortion
00:18:21.160 and removing all state restrictions
00:18:22.620 on late-term procedures.
00:18:24.380 With an abortion rate
00:18:25.140 that is already double
00:18:25.920 the national average,
00:18:26.800 New York law is moving
00:18:27.660 in the wrong direction.
00:18:29.220 We renew our pledge
00:18:30.100 to offer the resources
00:18:31.060 and services
00:18:31.580 of our charitable agencies
00:18:32.560 and health services
00:18:33.160 to any woman
00:18:33.880 experiencing an unplanned pregnancy
00:18:35.500 to support her
00:18:36.140 in bearing her infant,
00:18:37.500 raising her family,
00:18:38.260 or replacing her child
00:18:39.040 for adoption.
00:18:40.040 There are life-affirming choices
00:18:41.240 available and we aim
00:18:42.220 to make them more widely known.
00:18:44.400 It goes on a little from there.
00:18:46.700 Okay, that's fine, right?
00:18:48.380 It's a fine statement.
00:18:49.820 I agree with it, obviously.
00:18:52.100 You're sad about the law.
00:18:53.980 You're mourning the law.
00:18:55.820 It's a bad law.
00:18:56.840 Fine.
00:18:58.020 But this is not
00:18:59.120 nearly harsh enough.
00:19:00.220 It doesn't go nearly far enough.
00:19:02.140 Not nearly strong enough.
00:19:04.540 I should mention
00:19:05.280 that Bishop Edward Scharfenberger
00:19:07.680 of Albany,
00:19:08.760 he wrote his own letter
00:19:09.760 condemning the law
00:19:10.580 and it's better than that.
00:19:12.500 It's a lot stronger.
00:19:14.000 It's a good letter,
00:19:14.760 but still.
00:19:16.360 A lot more needs to be done
00:19:17.920 with these Catholic politicians
00:19:20.040 who advance measures
00:19:21.800 that will result
00:19:22.640 in the deaths
00:19:23.320 of thousands more babies.
00:19:26.640 Specifically,
00:19:28.420 you know,
00:19:28.680 the thing about the Catholic Church
00:19:29.840 is that there is
00:19:30.980 a step you can take,
00:19:33.020 a rather dramatic
00:19:33.900 step,
00:19:36.160 and that is
00:19:36.520 you can excommunicate.
00:19:37.780 every moment
00:19:42.080 that Andrew Cuomo
00:19:43.420 and Nancy Pelosi
00:19:45.720 and these other
00:19:47.340 fake Catholic
00:19:48.300 Democrat politicians,
00:19:49.440 every moment
00:19:50.000 that they're allowed
00:19:50.620 to continue calling
00:19:51.440 themselves Catholic
00:19:52.180 is a scandal
00:19:53.340 for the Church
00:19:54.620 because they can be
00:19:57.420 publicly excommunicated
00:19:59.140 and they should be.
00:20:00.060 as in their bishops
00:20:01.640 can stand up
00:20:02.300 and say,
00:20:03.100 you are not a member
00:20:03.840 of the Church.
00:20:05.600 You are not Catholic.
00:20:07.140 You can call yourself that,
00:20:08.340 but you're not.
00:20:11.080 Now consider this.
00:20:12.240 In 1962,
00:20:14.060 a group of Catholic
00:20:14.940 segregationists
00:20:15.760 were excommunicated
00:20:17.020 for publicly supporting
00:20:18.860 and advancing
00:20:19.460 racist policies.
00:20:20.820 Now what got them
00:20:21.600 excommunicated
00:20:22.280 was that they kept
00:20:23.920 doing it
00:20:24.600 even after they were told
00:20:25.600 by their bishops
00:20:26.120 to stop.
00:20:26.700 plus they were
00:20:28.040 making fallacious
00:20:29.460 theological arguments
00:20:30.820 for their evil position.
00:20:34.760 They were using
00:20:35.480 their Catholic faith
00:20:36.560 to justify
00:20:38.700 this evil,
00:20:39.980 which is a great
00:20:40.540 public scandal,
00:20:41.740 using their religion
00:20:43.100 to advance evil.
00:20:45.300 And so that's what
00:20:45.780 got them excommunicated,
00:20:47.000 rightly so,
00:20:47.580 in my opinion.
00:20:48.720 Well, that's exactly
00:20:49.980 what pro-abortion
00:20:50.680 politicians are doing also.
00:20:52.260 It's not just that
00:20:53.280 they happen to be Catholic,
00:20:54.520 which is bad enough.
00:20:55.540 It's that they use
00:20:56.620 their Catholicism
00:20:57.760 to advance
00:21:00.100 these sorts of policies.
00:21:03.520 If these bishops
00:21:04.740 had even
00:21:05.840 a little small portion
00:21:08.300 of a spine,
00:21:09.060 they would
00:21:09.420 excommunicate
00:21:10.560 these people.
00:21:13.020 Okay, one other
00:21:13.920 quick thing to mention
00:21:14.620 before I get to
00:21:15.280 some of your emails.
00:21:16.360 The saga over
00:21:17.340 the State of the Union
00:21:18.140 address is continuing.
00:21:19.700 Now Trump says,
00:21:21.640 Trump originally
00:21:22.180 said he was going
00:21:22.760 to insist
00:21:23.120 that he gives
00:21:24.640 the State of the Union,
00:21:25.480 even though Nancy Pelosi
00:21:26.320 saying you can't
00:21:27.360 give the State of the Union
00:21:28.080 during the shutdown.
00:21:29.520 Trump said he was
00:21:29.980 going to give it.
00:21:30.460 Now Trump sent
00:21:31.380 a tweet this morning
00:21:32.160 saying that he'll
00:21:33.800 wait till after
00:21:34.560 the shutdown
00:21:35.040 to give the State
00:21:35.720 of the Union.
00:21:36.860 And that is,
00:21:38.460 look, I knew
00:21:39.360 there was no way
00:21:40.500 that Trump would agree
00:21:41.540 to not do
00:21:42.300 the State of the Union
00:21:43.000 after Nancy Pelosi
00:21:44.200 suggested it.
00:21:45.540 But I was really
00:21:46.880 hoping that Trump
00:21:47.880 would be the guy
00:21:48.480 to get rid
00:21:49.000 of the State of the Union.
00:21:50.220 I know that I'm not
00:21:51.200 breaking any new ground here.
00:21:52.200 A lot of people
00:21:52.560 complain about it.
00:21:53.200 I just want to register
00:21:54.200 my complaint as well,
00:21:55.400 which will accomplish
00:21:56.920 nothing, I'm sure,
00:21:57.740 but I'm going to do it anyway.
00:21:59.460 The State of the Union
00:22:00.300 address is an absolute,
00:22:02.120 I mean,
00:22:02.740 it's a disgrace
00:22:03.960 in my opinion,
00:22:05.540 the way that it's handled.
00:22:06.920 Now,
00:22:08.440 the way that State of the Union
00:22:10.300 addresses were originally given,
00:22:11.880 the way that they should be given,
00:22:13.120 is the President
00:22:14.460 writes a statement
00:22:15.540 talking about
00:22:16.940 the State of the Union
00:22:17.800 and releases it.
00:22:19.760 And we can all read it.
00:22:21.460 Right?
00:22:21.580 We all have the Internet now,
00:22:22.740 and so we can just
00:22:23.320 put it out there,
00:22:23.780 we can read it,
00:22:24.180 we can see it for ourselves.
00:22:26.620 The problem is all the pageantry
00:22:28.340 that goes into it.
00:22:29.940 You know,
00:22:30.240 where the President
00:22:31.580 walks down the aisle
00:22:32.740 and everyone stands
00:22:33.760 and claps,
00:22:34.500 and then he gets up there
00:22:35.560 and there are applause lines,
00:22:36.980 and then that side
00:22:37.860 doesn't applaud,
00:22:38.680 and that side does.
00:22:40.020 It's this whole,
00:22:40.720 it's the theatrics
00:22:41.940 and the pageantry of it,
00:22:43.680 which is just not in keeping
00:22:45.960 with the American spirit
00:22:48.160 whatsoever.
00:22:49.780 First of all,
00:22:50.180 the whole idea of having,
00:22:51.500 of everyone standing
00:22:52.280 and applauding
00:22:52.820 as the President
00:22:53.960 makes his grand entrance
00:22:55.140 down the aisle,
00:22:56.700 it's,
00:22:56.960 ah, yes,
00:22:57.300 I'm the President.
00:22:58.440 That's what kings do.
00:22:59.860 That's not what presidents
00:23:01.680 are supposed to do.
00:23:03.500 The President
00:23:04.340 is supposed to be
00:23:05.260 a public servant
00:23:06.400 who works for us,
00:23:08.540 who we elected.
00:23:10.180 That's what's supposed
00:23:10.960 to separate us
00:23:12.180 from so many other countries,
00:23:13.820 is that we don't do
00:23:14.760 the whole thing
00:23:15.280 where the guy walks
00:23:16.100 down the aisle
00:23:16.740 and everyone's,
00:23:17.220 oh, yeah,
00:23:17.840 let me reach out
00:23:19.200 and touch his hand,
00:23:20.700 that we're not supposed
00:23:21.620 to do that.
00:23:24.680 And the whole,
00:23:25.400 the pageantry
00:23:26.020 of the applauding
00:23:27.080 and the clapping,
00:23:27.920 it's just,
00:23:28.760 it's so dumb
00:23:29.620 and ridiculous.
00:23:30.540 And it's also
00:23:31.260 completely useless
00:23:32.600 in terms of actually
00:23:33.580 finding out
00:23:34.280 what's going on
00:23:34.940 in the country.
00:23:36.000 Because all the
00:23:37.020 State of the Union
00:23:37.560 address has become
00:23:38.780 is just a campaign speech
00:23:40.760 by the President
00:23:41.540 that becomes dignified
00:23:44.020 by all the pageantry
00:23:45.000 that surrounds it.
00:23:45.640 We all sit and watch
00:23:46.940 this campaign speech.
00:23:48.160 Let me ask you,
00:23:48.840 when was the last time
00:23:50.100 in a State of the Union
00:23:51.440 address you heard
00:23:52.660 a president talk
00:23:54.500 about the things
00:23:55.340 that his administration
00:23:56.080 did wrong
00:23:57.020 and things that he
00:23:58.020 needs to personally
00:23:58.800 improve on?
00:23:59.380 When was the last time
00:23:59.920 you heard a president
00:24:00.420 say in a State of the Union
00:24:01.060 address,
00:24:01.580 it's like,
00:24:01.840 hey,
00:24:02.080 you know,
00:24:02.260 we tried this thing
00:24:03.160 over here,
00:24:03.820 didn't work out,
00:24:04.560 we made this mistake.
00:24:06.340 If it was a legitimate
00:24:07.480 State of the Union address
00:24:08.480 and he was actually
00:24:09.240 just telling you
00:24:09.940 what's going on
00:24:10.680 and getting you
00:24:11.680 up to speed
00:24:12.280 and it was kind of
00:24:13.540 objective in that way,
00:24:14.500 then you would hear that,
00:24:16.060 then presidents
00:24:16.540 would do that.
00:24:17.980 But they never do
00:24:18.800 because it's just,
00:24:19.840 it's remarkable.
00:24:20.880 Isn't it remarkable
00:24:21.600 that in every State
00:24:22.460 of the Union address
00:24:23.100 it turns out
00:24:24.240 that the president
00:24:24.820 is doing a great job
00:24:26.000 and that although
00:24:26.960 there are some challenges
00:24:27.920 the country faces
00:24:28.780 were headed in
00:24:29.700 the right direction,
00:24:30.680 have you noticed
00:24:31.180 that every single
00:24:32.120 State of the Union address
00:24:33.040 that's been publicly given,
00:24:34.880 it just so happens
00:24:35.740 that that's the case?
00:24:36.860 I mean,
00:24:37.100 it's a miracle.
00:24:39.760 It turns out
00:24:40.380 that every president
00:24:41.340 is doing a great job
00:24:42.480 and that the country's
00:24:43.500 always headed
00:24:44.080 in the right direction
00:24:44.860 according to the president
00:24:46.080 during the State of the Union.
00:24:48.400 It's a total waste of time
00:24:49.700 and I am just waiting
00:24:51.000 for the president
00:24:51.660 who will say,
00:24:52.340 you know what,
00:24:52.600 I'm done with this.
00:24:53.380 I don't need the pageantry.
00:24:54.840 I don't need you guys applauding.
00:24:57.660 Here, I'll write this down.
00:24:59.340 It's a couple pages long.
00:25:00.800 You can read it.
00:25:01.560 Boom, we're done.
00:25:02.380 That's all.
00:25:02.760 That's all we need.
00:25:04.320 Finally, let's get
00:25:05.060 to some emails.
00:25:05.900 If you want to email the show,
00:25:07.040 mattwalshow at gmail.com,
00:25:09.100 mattwalshow at gmail.com.
00:25:10.540 From Timothy,
00:25:12.460 he says,
00:25:12.800 Matt,
00:25:13.260 you talk so flippantly
00:25:14.800 about so-called
00:25:15.760 late-term abortion.
00:25:17.240 He puts that in scare quotes.
00:25:19.900 You say,
00:25:20.700 well,
00:25:21.020 just take the baby out alive
00:25:22.460 and put him up for adoption.
00:25:23.780 You make it sound so easy.
00:25:26.300 Do you have any idea
00:25:27.260 how many kids
00:25:28.060 are waiting around
00:25:28.800 to be adopted
00:25:29.440 in this country?
00:25:30.480 Get rid of abortion
00:25:31.280 and you just create
00:25:32.280 more orphans.
00:25:34.080 Okay,
00:25:34.300 so that's argument number four
00:25:35.460 that I mentioned before.
00:25:36.960 There are two problems
00:25:37.860 with this argument.
00:25:38.360 It's a very common argument.
00:25:39.180 This whole thing
00:25:41.020 about when you talk about
00:25:42.420 the pro-aborts,
00:25:44.840 we'll say,
00:25:45.380 well,
00:25:45.520 what about all the kids
00:25:47.300 who already need to be adopted?
00:25:48.520 Did you,
00:25:49.140 have you adopted any babies?
00:25:51.600 Two problems here.
00:25:54.500 Number one,
00:25:55.240 it's totally false.
00:25:58.220 And this is,
00:25:58.980 this is so often the case
00:25:59.980 with arguments
00:26:00.980 that pro-abortion people make
00:26:02.380 where
00:26:04.040 the argument is,
00:26:06.240 first of all,
00:26:06.580 false
00:26:06.980 and also irrelevant anyway,
00:26:08.820 where even if it was true,
00:26:10.160 it still wouldn't matter.
00:26:11.520 So this argument
00:26:12.400 is both false and irrelevant.
00:26:13.760 Let me explain why it's false.
00:26:15.400 It's true that there are
00:26:16.260 a lot of,
00:26:16.740 there are a lot of kids,
00:26:18.100 there are a lot of children
00:26:18.840 in,
00:26:20.160 in the system now,
00:26:21.380 in foster care,
00:26:22.640 up for adoption.
00:26:23.780 There are a lot of,
00:26:24.540 there are a lot of kids
00:26:26.000 waiting to be adopted.
00:26:26.980 That is true.
00:26:29.140 And it's,
00:26:29.720 that's true.
00:26:30.900 That's true.
00:26:31.640 And it's a,
00:26:32.080 it's a,
00:26:32.500 it's a very sad thing,
00:26:33.680 but it's not true
00:26:37.560 that there are a bunch of babies
00:26:39.320 waiting to be adopted.
00:26:40.700 In fact,
00:26:41.560 if you had a baby,
00:26:43.260 an infant,
00:26:44.240 up for adoption,
00:26:44.980 there would be a line
00:26:46.180 around the block
00:26:47.760 waiting to adopt that baby.
00:26:50.700 Babies get adopted like that
00:26:52.460 in this country.
00:26:53.640 It is very easy
00:26:55.140 to get a baby adopted.
00:26:57.160 Just talk to any couple
00:26:59.080 that has tried to adopt
00:27:00.720 a baby,
00:27:01.480 an infant,
00:27:02.080 and you'll,
00:27:02.540 they'll tell you
00:27:03.320 how long they had to wait,
00:27:05.260 how difficult it was
00:27:06.660 just because everybody
00:27:08.560 wants to adopt a baby.
00:27:10.520 So this idea that,
00:27:11.780 well,
00:27:11.920 you know,
00:27:12.100 you put the child up
00:27:12.800 for adoption
00:27:13.320 and he's going to sit
00:27:14.440 in foster care
00:27:15.180 and sit in an orphanage.
00:27:16.340 It's just not true.
00:27:18.440 There is a line
00:27:19.900 miles long
00:27:21.540 of people waiting
00:27:22.380 to adopt babies.
00:27:23.460 It's harder,
00:27:24.440 unfortunately,
00:27:25.160 sadly,
00:27:25.720 to get,
00:27:26.980 older children adopted.
00:27:30.520 A child is six
00:27:31.540 or seven years old
00:27:32.340 and that's the really
00:27:33.400 sad thing.
00:27:34.580 But it's understandable
00:27:36.180 from the perspective
00:27:36.940 of any individual
00:27:38.860 married couple
00:27:40.260 and they're looking
00:27:41.400 to adopt
00:27:41.900 and they'd really
00:27:43.060 like to adopt
00:27:43.840 a baby
00:27:44.680 so they can be there
00:27:45.620 through its entire life
00:27:46.640 and form that bond
00:27:48.380 sort of automatically.
00:27:49.620 there are a lot
00:27:53.040 of extra challenges
00:27:54.000 with adopting older kids
00:27:55.360 which,
00:27:57.340 and that's why
00:27:57.860 I have so much respect
00:27:58.920 for the people
00:27:59.560 who,
00:28:00.020 the heroes
00:28:00.740 who do adopt
00:28:01.460 older children.
00:28:02.800 I'm just talking
00:28:03.600 about the reality
00:28:04.260 of the situation.
00:28:05.100 That's all.
00:28:05.420 This is just the reality
00:28:06.360 that it's very easy
00:28:09.580 to get a baby adopted.
00:28:11.040 That's all.
00:28:13.520 But second thing,
00:28:14.360 it's irrelevant anyway.
00:28:15.580 It's got nothing to do.
00:28:16.480 the issue of adoption
00:28:18.620 and how many kids
00:28:19.380 are up for adoption,
00:28:20.260 that is very relevant
00:28:22.040 to society.
00:28:22.840 It's a very important thing.
00:28:24.680 But in terms of evaluating
00:28:26.300 the abortion issue,
00:28:27.660 it's irrelevant.
00:28:30.280 Because the question
00:28:32.440 surrounding abortion,
00:28:34.700 does a mother have
00:28:36.300 an inherent right
00:28:36.960 to kill a child
00:28:37.800 just because it's
00:28:38.620 dependent on her?
00:28:40.100 Is it true
00:28:41.040 that you're not a person
00:28:42.100 if you're not
00:28:42.520 physically developed?
00:28:44.800 Is it moral
00:28:46.040 to kill a human being?
00:28:48.200 Those are basically
00:28:49.580 the three questions
00:28:50.480 that surround abortion.
00:28:51.540 They have nothing
00:28:52.060 to do with adoption.
00:28:53.200 Even if there were
00:28:53.820 a million babies
00:28:54.700 waiting to be adopted,
00:28:55.840 that would have no bearing
00:28:57.060 on the answers
00:28:57.920 to those questions.
00:28:59.720 So if we determine
00:29:00.820 that no,
00:29:01.400 it's not okay
00:29:01.920 for a woman
00:29:02.320 to kill her child,
00:29:03.620 and that no,
00:29:04.580 your personhood
00:29:05.120 is not dependent
00:29:05.760 on your physical development,
00:29:07.560 and that yes,
00:29:10.100 it is immoral
00:29:10.760 to intentionally
00:29:11.580 kill innocent life,
00:29:12.880 well,
00:29:13.200 then abortion is wrong.
00:29:14.620 Again,
00:29:14.840 even if there are
00:29:15.660 50 million babies
00:29:17.220 waiting to be adopted,
00:29:18.480 abortion would still
00:29:19.580 be wrong in that case.
00:29:21.440 So it's an irrelevant
00:29:22.880 point to the abortion issue.
00:29:25.760 This is from,
00:29:27.720 this email is also
00:29:29.280 from Tim.
00:29:29.600 The other one
00:29:29.920 was from Timothy.
00:29:30.620 I think it's
00:29:31.080 a different person.
00:29:32.580 Matt,
00:29:32.920 I'm a huge fan
00:29:33.620 from even before
00:29:34.500 you joined the Daily Wire,
00:29:35.340 even after you discredit
00:29:36.380 my email,
00:29:37.020 I'll still support you.
00:29:38.420 It's so obvious
00:29:39.100 that our nation
00:29:39.660 is under attack
00:29:40.480 by outside forces
00:29:41.540 as a collaborative effort.
00:29:43.020 Obviously,
00:29:44.560 it's not one evil
00:29:45.580 little man
00:29:46.140 with a mean white cat,
00:29:47.460 but you and Ben
00:29:48.500 sure do a good job
00:29:49.580 of joking it off
00:29:50.420 like that.
00:29:51.680 For how smart
00:29:52.580 the two of you are,
00:29:53.360 I know you obviously
00:29:54.240 see it.
00:29:54.720 It's very clear
00:29:55.280 that we're being destroyed
00:29:56.180 from the inside out
00:29:57.100 and that they are
00:29:57.820 breaking down
00:29:58.400 our morals and values.
00:29:59.580 It's being done
00:30:00.320 through our media
00:30:01.000 and culture.
00:30:02.060 Are you guys
00:30:02.680 and the investigators
00:30:03.460 trying to not cross
00:30:04.700 a certain line
00:30:05.480 to stay appealing
00:30:06.540 to a mainstream audience?
00:30:07.600 By the way,
00:30:08.680 you and Ben
00:30:09.040 write good books,
00:30:09.840 but Michael Knowles
00:30:10.540 is the best.
00:30:12.360 You and Ben
00:30:12.740 should try and learn
00:30:13.440 a thing or two
00:30:13.940 from him.
00:30:14.600 Thank you.
00:30:16.220 I agree.
00:30:16.860 I remain completely jealous
00:30:18.440 of Knowles
00:30:19.520 for selling a book
00:30:21.340 with nothing in it.
00:30:25.120 Tim, look,
00:30:26.060 obviously,
00:30:26.580 I can't speak for Ben,
00:30:27.520 but we both agree
00:30:29.660 that the nation
00:30:30.580 is under attack,
00:30:31.560 that something
00:30:32.200 is happening
00:30:32.780 from the inside out,
00:30:35.300 that our morals
00:30:36.100 and values
00:30:36.820 are breaking down.
00:30:38.400 I think it seems
00:30:39.160 like what you're
00:30:39.480 taking issue with
00:30:40.300 is that neither one
00:30:41.140 of us subscribe
00:30:41.780 to most of the
00:30:43.000 conspiracy theories
00:30:44.220 where the picture
00:30:46.060 is painted
00:30:46.620 of some kind
00:30:47.260 of homogenous,
00:30:49.100 devious force
00:30:50.020 behind the scenes
00:30:51.120 pulling the levers
00:30:52.000 and hatching plans
00:30:53.480 and passing secret notes
00:30:55.260 to one another,
00:30:56.140 pulling the strings,
00:30:57.760 coming up with these
00:30:58.920 dastardly plots
00:31:00.200 and so on.
00:31:01.560 I reject that.
00:31:02.740 I think Ben
00:31:03.080 rejects that too.
00:31:04.640 The reason I don't
00:31:05.460 subscribe to it
00:31:07.000 is because
00:31:09.980 I just don't think
00:31:11.320 that that is how
00:31:12.400 evil generally works,
00:31:14.200 especially in our culture.
00:31:17.060 It seems to me
00:31:18.220 that many powerful people,
00:31:20.400 powerful forces,
00:31:21.400 powerful institutions
00:31:22.380 are all on the same
00:31:24.720 ideological page
00:31:25.840 so they don't need
00:31:27.140 to get together
00:31:27.780 and plot
00:31:28.380 and hatch plans
00:31:29.340 and conspire
00:31:30.620 in darkened rooms.
00:31:32.000 Do you think
00:31:34.560 that journalists
00:31:35.240 and media members
00:31:37.080 and the CEOs
00:31:38.020 of these companies,
00:31:39.140 do you think
00:31:39.500 that they all meet
00:31:40.300 in rooms
00:31:40.920 and agree
00:31:41.920 to try to bring
00:31:42.660 down Trump?
00:31:44.360 Well, no,
00:31:45.240 because they already
00:31:46.520 agree.
00:31:47.220 It was an unspoken
00:31:48.580 agreement.
00:31:49.220 Of course they're going
00:31:49.820 to try to bring down
00:31:50.500 Trump and so that's
00:31:51.020 what they've been doing.
00:31:51.860 There doesn't need
00:31:52.620 to be a conspiracy.
00:31:53.740 They're all on
00:31:54.300 the same page.
00:31:55.380 It's understood.
00:31:56.080 It is an unspoken
00:31:57.340 conspiracy.
00:31:58.360 It is a,
00:31:59.220 if you will,
00:31:59.860 a non-conspiring
00:32:01.380 conspiracy.
00:32:02.260 Same for the media's
00:32:03.520 decision to,
00:32:04.380 for instance,
00:32:04.920 ignore the March
00:32:05.660 for Life every year.
00:32:07.080 Now that's the kind
00:32:07.940 of thing,
00:32:08.200 if you didn't know
00:32:08.680 any better
00:32:09.120 and you saw
00:32:09.620 how there's been
00:32:10.380 this consistent blackout
00:32:11.580 of the March
00:32:11.960 for Life for 40 years
00:32:13.040 even though hundreds
00:32:14.000 of thousands of people
00:32:14.660 show up in Washington,
00:32:15.540 D.C.,
00:32:16.280 which is media headquarters,
00:32:18.040 especially for political media
00:32:19.280 and yet they're ignored
00:32:20.920 and if you saw that
00:32:22.180 you would say,
00:32:22.540 well,
00:32:22.600 it seems like
00:32:23.100 this is some sort of,
00:32:25.060 this is a,
00:32:26.560 they apparently have agreed.
00:32:27.940 You know,
00:32:28.040 this is some sort of
00:32:28.640 concerted effort
00:32:29.520 on their part.
00:32:30.100 But no,
00:32:31.180 it doesn't need
00:32:31.880 to be a concerted effort.
00:32:33.640 It doesn't need
00:32:34.380 to be a coordinated effort.
00:32:35.580 They all just agree
00:32:36.760 that of course
00:32:37.520 they're not going
00:32:37.920 to cover that.
00:32:39.600 And most things
00:32:40.600 in our culture
00:32:41.120 are like that.
00:32:42.160 These forces
00:32:42.940 understand
00:32:44.120 where they want
00:32:45.580 to go,
00:32:45.940 where they're coming
00:32:46.540 from,
00:32:47.040 what sort of culture
00:32:47.900 they want to build
00:32:48.760 and so they move
00:32:49.960 us in that direction.
00:32:52.280 So it's less dramatic,
00:32:53.700 it's less cinematic,
00:32:54.620 but it's
00:32:57.480 extremely effective.
00:33:00.680 My other problem
00:33:01.500 with conspiracy theories
00:33:02.360 by the way
00:33:02.720 is that they always
00:33:03.720 seem to way,
00:33:05.020 way overestimate
00:33:06.480 the intelligence
00:33:07.280 and the competence
00:33:08.520 of the powers that be.
00:33:11.160 Take,
00:33:11.640 and I know you probably
00:33:12.160 weren't referring to this
00:33:13.060 specifically,
00:33:13.720 but think about
00:33:14.700 the moon landing conspiracy.
00:33:18.080 Not only is that
00:33:19.100 conspiracy theory
00:33:19.760 completely baseless
00:33:20.800 and all of the evidence
00:33:22.540 for it has been
00:33:23.220 debunked a thousand times,
00:33:24.800 but it also would require
00:33:26.620 an enormous amount
00:33:30.500 of coordination
00:33:31.600 and intelligence
00:33:33.660 and competence
00:33:38.000 from a great many
00:33:40.900 government agencies
00:33:43.740 and individual bureaucrats,
00:33:45.720 not just in America,
00:33:46.740 but across the world.
00:33:49.740 And that's just,
00:33:50.320 if you know anything
00:33:51.560 about how the government works
00:33:52.900 and how bureaucrats work
00:33:54.180 and how bureaucracies work,
00:33:55.980 you would know
00:33:56.600 that that is just
00:33:57.160 not possible.
00:34:00.240 Finally,
00:34:01.120 I want an answer
00:34:01.820 more than that,
00:34:02.340 but I'm going to
00:34:03.000 cut it off here.
00:34:05.940 So Bridget emails
00:34:07.280 and says,
00:34:07.920 I really enjoy your show.
00:34:08.880 I've appreciated
00:34:09.360 your defense
00:34:09.960 of the greatness
00:34:10.560 of the men
00:34:11.140 who founded our country
00:34:12.100 as well as Columbus
00:34:12.900 who discovered the land.
00:34:14.740 Can you please give me
00:34:15.760 your 30-second elevator speech
00:34:17.440 about why people
00:34:18.320 are wrong
00:34:18.960 when they say
00:34:19.620 that the Europeans
00:34:20.620 stole the land
00:34:21.820 and therefore
00:34:22.600 we as Americans
00:34:23.300 have no right to it?
00:34:24.540 I would love
00:34:25.020 to have a ready defense
00:34:26.040 when those questions arise
00:34:27.320 as they so often
00:34:29.520 do these days.
00:34:32.440 30 seconds.
00:34:33.660 Well,
00:34:33.860 I don't know
00:34:34.080 if I can explain
00:34:34.660 anything in 30 seconds.
00:34:35.560 I don't know
00:34:36.040 if you noticed.
00:34:36.540 I can't do anything
00:34:37.060 in 30 seconds.
00:34:39.360 But I'll try to answer
00:34:40.700 it as briefly as possible.
00:34:41.860 And I'm speaking
00:34:42.380 generally here,
00:34:43.280 okay?
00:34:43.460 There was some stealing
00:34:45.780 that went on.
00:34:47.340 Evil acts were committed.
00:34:48.820 It was a rather messy
00:34:50.040 period of history
00:34:51.380 as all periods
00:34:52.480 of human history
00:34:53.080 are messy.
00:34:53.980 But broad strokes,
00:34:55.600 the idea that we stole
00:34:57.920 this land
00:34:58.620 and that we're now
00:34:59.240 on stolen land
00:35:00.160 is absurd.
00:35:01.200 It's ridiculous.
00:35:02.180 It's not credible
00:35:02.980 for two main reasons.
00:35:06.500 Okay?
00:35:06.700 So here's your
00:35:07.260 ready-made defense.
00:35:09.460 Number one,
00:35:09.960 keep in mind
00:35:12.660 when we talk
00:35:13.300 about Europeans
00:35:14.060 coming to the Americas,
00:35:16.440 we mean
00:35:17.120 the Americas
00:35:18.720 as in
00:35:19.360 North,
00:35:20.080 Central,
00:35:20.420 and South America.
00:35:22.540 And throughout
00:35:23.700 the hemisphere,
00:35:25.220 so we're talking
00:35:25.980 about like the entire
00:35:26.740 Western Hemisphere.
00:35:28.380 We don't know
00:35:29.240 exactly how many
00:35:30.020 indigenous people
00:35:30.740 lived through
00:35:32.120 all that space,
00:35:32.980 but it was maybe
00:35:33.920 20 million,
00:35:34.800 some estimates.
00:35:35.640 There are some
00:35:36.000 estimates as low
00:35:36.600 as 10 million,
00:35:37.340 some 20,
00:35:37.980 some 50.
00:35:39.960 let's even take
00:35:41.600 50 million.
00:35:42.200 Let's take a higher estimate.
00:35:43.760 So 50 million
00:35:44.620 indigenous people
00:35:46.360 spread out
00:35:48.200 over something
00:35:49.140 like 16
00:35:50.260 to 17
00:35:51.060 million
00:35:52.380 square miles.
00:35:56.100 Okay?
00:35:57.640 Keep in mind,
00:35:58.380 there are
00:35:58.600 over 300
00:36:01.100 million people
00:36:02.420 living in
00:36:03.100 just
00:36:03.620 the United
00:36:04.380 States
00:36:05.100 today.
00:36:06.280 So we're
00:36:07.040 talking about
00:36:07.780 at most
00:36:09.240 maybe 50
00:36:09.900 million people
00:36:10.580 over the
00:36:11.520 entire
00:36:12.060 hemisphere.
00:36:14.460 So the idea
00:36:15.640 that this
00:36:16.600 relatively
00:36:17.000 small
00:36:17.800 smattering
00:36:18.360 of disparate,
00:36:19.620 isolated,
00:36:20.920 disconnected
00:36:21.580 tribes
00:36:22.240 somehow
00:36:23.040 collectively
00:36:23.840 owned
00:36:24.460 the entire
00:36:25.380 hemisphere
00:36:26.140 is just
00:36:27.500 absolutely
00:36:27.960 nuts.
00:36:29.720 So what?
00:36:30.420 Human
00:36:31.080 civilization
00:36:31.580 was supposed
00:36:32.120 to relegate
00:36:32.800 itself
00:36:33.220 to the
00:36:34.080 other side
00:36:34.640 of the
00:36:34.860 Atlantic
00:36:35.260 forever?
00:36:36.440 Everyone
00:36:36.780 was just
00:36:37.300 supposed to
00:36:37.820 stay over
00:36:38.360 there.
00:36:39.100 Nobody
00:36:39.340 was allowed
00:36:39.800 to come
00:36:40.140 over here.
00:36:41.080 The advance
00:36:41.720 of human
00:36:42.200 civilization
00:36:42.800 was supposed
00:36:43.160 to hit
00:36:43.420 an imaginary
00:36:43.980 force field
00:36:44.560 at the
00:36:45.100 Atlantic
00:36:45.480 and say,
00:36:46.040 whoa,
00:36:46.260 guys,
00:36:47.120 no further.
00:36:51.320 That's
00:36:51.780 apparently
00:36:52.100 what some
00:36:52.540 people think.
00:36:54.120 Because keep
00:36:54.840 in mind,
00:36:55.500 they say
00:36:55.900 that Europeans
00:36:56.540 were invading
00:36:57.820 as soon as
00:36:59.040 they touched
00:36:59.540 down.
00:37:01.140 This is what
00:37:01.540 these people,
00:37:01.860 they'll say
00:37:02.280 that anywhere
00:37:03.060 the Europeans
00:37:03.780 landed,
00:37:04.280 they were invading.
00:37:05.500 Anywhere
00:37:05.940 over that
00:37:06.440 16 million
00:37:07.520 square mile
00:37:08.600 plot of
00:37:09.540 land,
00:37:11.140 two continents.
00:37:14.880 Apparently,
00:37:15.440 according to
00:37:15.760 these people,
00:37:16.340 the Europeans,
00:37:17.420 it was hands
00:37:18.200 off.
00:37:18.480 You weren't
00:37:18.680 allowed to
00:37:18.980 have any
00:37:19.340 part of
00:37:19.840 either of
00:37:20.400 those continents.
00:37:23.240 So if
00:37:24.160 settlers were
00:37:25.280 setting up a
00:37:25.920 village in
00:37:26.560 the wilderness
00:37:27.000 and there
00:37:28.840 was an
00:37:29.120 Indian
00:37:29.380 tribe
00:37:30.000 300 miles
00:37:31.980 away,
00:37:32.560 what we're
00:37:34.240 being told
00:37:34.720 is that
00:37:35.020 those settlers
00:37:35.760 were stealing
00:37:36.720 land from
00:37:38.120 that tribe
00:37:38.880 even though
00:37:39.780 they're in
00:37:40.140 a part of
00:37:40.500 the land
00:37:40.760 that it's
00:37:41.120 very possible
00:37:41.780 the Indians
00:37:42.200 have never
00:37:42.700 even been
00:37:43.220 in or
00:37:43.640 even,
00:37:44.420 and certainly
00:37:45.560 were never
00:37:46.100 planning on
00:37:46.860 doing anything
00:37:47.560 with.
00:37:50.060 Let's just
00:37:50.800 look at one
00:37:51.220 example
00:37:51.680 specifically.
00:37:53.080 The Cheyenne,
00:37:54.640 okay,
00:37:55.180 the Cheyenne
00:37:55.900 territory
00:37:57.080 in the 18th
00:37:58.820 century covered
00:37:59.500 about 500,000
00:38:01.160 square miles.
00:38:02.560 Do you know
00:38:03.440 how many
00:38:03.720 Cheyenne
00:38:04.400 existed?
00:38:05.640 About 3,500,
00:38:07.040 maybe 4,000.
00:38:09.000 You're telling
00:38:09.700 me that 4,000
00:38:10.760 people owned
00:38:11.500 500,000
00:38:13.520 square miles
00:38:14.640 of land
00:38:15.140 in the middle
00:38:15.900 of the country?
00:38:16.980 Nobody else
00:38:17.780 was allowed
00:38:18.240 to go there?
00:38:21.440 Like,
00:38:21.960 the entire
00:38:23.060 human race
00:38:23.600 was supposed
00:38:23.920 to leave
00:38:24.280 500,000
00:38:24.920 square miles
00:38:25.400 alone,
00:38:25.740 but they're
00:38:26.180 supposed to
00:38:26.420 cut out
00:38:26.760 this chunk
00:38:27.300 and say,
00:38:27.600 no,
00:38:27.760 no one's
00:38:27.980 allowed to
00:38:28.160 go there.
00:38:28.540 There are
00:38:28.900 a few
00:38:29.180 people living
00:38:29.780 on that land
00:38:30.400 and they're
00:38:31.000 all bunched
00:38:32.080 up in
00:38:33.880 tribes.
00:38:34.800 And so,
00:38:35.780 of that
00:38:36.420 500,000
00:38:37.360 square miles,
00:38:38.720 I'd say
00:38:39.680 about 490,000
00:38:41.580 square miles
00:38:42.140 of it,
00:38:42.720 completely
00:38:43.300 unoccupied.
00:38:44.780 But no
00:38:45.500 one's allowed
00:38:45.840 to go there.
00:38:47.120 It just
00:38:47.700 doesn't make
00:38:48.020 any sense.
00:38:48.900 Now,
00:38:50.000 obviously that
00:38:50.660 doesn't justify
00:38:51.320 the slaughter
00:38:51.980 of Native
00:38:52.420 Americans,
00:38:53.020 it doesn't
00:38:53.360 justify actual
00:38:54.240 atrocities that
00:38:55.020 were committed,
00:38:56.120 but the idea
00:38:57.020 that Natives
00:38:57.620 owned the
00:38:58.340 entire Western
00:38:58.980 Hemisphere is
00:38:59.680 obviously
00:39:00.360 ludicrous.
00:39:02.700 I mean,
00:39:03.420 how can
00:39:03.940 anyone
00:39:04.380 suggest that?
00:39:07.000 Second point,
00:39:08.440 we talk about
00:39:09.580 Native Americans
00:39:10.400 like they were
00:39:11.320 some sort of
00:39:11.860 homogenous,
00:39:12.860 unified group,
00:39:14.000 but they
00:39:14.440 weren't.
00:39:16.200 And they
00:39:16.800 didn't see
00:39:17.280 themselves that
00:39:17.940 way.
00:39:20.180 And so,
00:39:22.900 to say that
00:39:23.280 we stole land
00:39:24.100 from Native
00:39:25.160 Americans,
00:39:25.820 that sentence
00:39:26.940 doesn't actually
00:39:27.580 make any
00:39:27.960 sense because
00:39:28.660 they were
00:39:30.940 not one
00:39:31.560 big group
00:39:32.300 altogether.
00:39:34.600 These were
00:39:35.320 isolated tribes
00:39:36.240 that warred
00:39:37.220 with each
00:39:37.540 other and
00:39:38.020 killed each
00:39:38.520 other and
00:39:38.880 enslaved each
00:39:39.480 other and
00:39:40.020 stole land
00:39:40.700 from each
00:39:41.060 other.
00:39:44.160 They stole
00:39:45.000 land from
00:39:45.360 each other
00:39:45.660 all the time.
00:39:47.280 So,
00:39:47.920 if the
00:39:48.280 Europeans did
00:39:49.300 steal land,
00:39:50.380 most likely
00:39:51.320 they were
00:39:51.700 stealing land
00:39:52.420 that had
00:39:52.760 already been
00:39:53.720 stolen about
00:39:54.320 50 times
00:39:55.080 before that.
00:39:55.820 Now,
00:39:56.820 that doesn't
00:39:57.120 justify it
00:39:57.780 again,
00:39:58.160 but back
00:39:59.120 in those
00:39:59.500 days,
00:40:00.060 everywhere in
00:40:00.920 the world,
00:40:02.340 this is how
00:40:02.960 it worked.
00:40:03.740 This is how
00:40:04.200 human civilization
00:40:05.220 spread.
00:40:05.980 Not just
00:40:06.420 European
00:40:06.840 civilization,
00:40:07.740 not just
00:40:08.040 white
00:40:08.360 civilization,
00:40:09.400 civilization
00:40:10.100 of any
00:40:11.480 type.
00:40:12.560 This is how
00:40:13.040 it spread,
00:40:14.360 including among
00:40:15.180 Native Americans
00:40:16.380 and indigenous
00:40:16.800 people.
00:40:17.460 This is how
00:40:17.740 it spread by,
00:40:18.960 it was understood
00:40:19.580 that if you
00:40:20.160 had land,
00:40:20.880 you had to
00:40:21.360 defend it.
00:40:22.060 If you can't
00:40:22.580 defend your
00:40:23.020 land,
00:40:23.380 it's going
00:40:23.640 to get taken
00:40:24.020 from you.
00:40:24.460 Most likely
00:40:26.200 3,000 people
00:40:26.920 can't defend
00:40:27.700 500,000 square
00:40:28.700 miles.
00:40:29.260 It's going
00:40:29.480 to get taken
00:40:29.840 from you.
00:40:31.000 That doesn't
00:40:31.980 make it right.
00:40:32.860 That's just
00:40:33.420 how it worked
00:40:34.380 back in those
00:40:35.860 days.
00:40:36.640 Among
00:40:37.020 everybody,
00:40:39.220 that was
00:40:39.740 just how
00:40:41.420 humanity
00:40:42.300 spread.
00:40:44.500 Those were
00:40:45.140 the rules
00:40:45.560 of the road
00:40:46.100 back then
00:40:46.660 that everybody
00:40:48.740 understood and
00:40:49.700 everybody abided
00:40:50.680 by.
00:40:50.920 So,
00:40:52.840 yeah,
00:40:53.000 you could
00:40:53.160 say,
00:40:53.340 well,
00:40:53.420 that doesn't
00:40:53.720 justify what
00:40:54.280 the Europeans
00:40:55.200 did.
00:40:55.680 Fine,
00:40:56.040 but it also
00:40:56.800 means that you
00:40:57.300 can't just
00:40:58.340 hang this
00:40:59.640 thing around
00:41:00.240 their necks.
00:41:02.120 If you're
00:41:02.660 going to blame
00:41:03.100 them for
00:41:03.520 stealing land,
00:41:04.380 you have to
00:41:05.000 blame everybody,
00:41:06.160 including Native
00:41:06.780 Americans,
00:41:07.280 for stealing
00:41:07.600 land.
00:41:08.140 And then once
00:41:08.560 you start
00:41:08.900 doing that,
00:41:09.420 you realize
00:41:09.820 that, okay,
00:41:10.280 well, this
00:41:10.500 whole blame
00:41:10.860 game doesn't
00:41:11.200 make any
00:41:11.480 sense anymore
00:41:12.140 because now
00:41:12.900 we're just
00:41:13.220 castigating all
00:41:14.500 of human
00:41:14.880 civilization up
00:41:15.700 until about
00:41:16.120 100 years
00:41:16.640 ago.
00:41:18.100 But if you're
00:41:18.680 going to be
00:41:18.920 honest and
00:41:19.320 consistent,
00:41:19.740 that's what
00:41:20.040 you have to
00:41:20.340 do.
00:41:20.660 Think about
00:41:21.080 when the
00:41:21.400 Spanish came
00:41:22.280 to Central
00:41:23.000 America and
00:41:24.340 they overthrew
00:41:24.900 the Aztecs.
00:41:25.660 Okay, the
00:41:25.920 Aztecs were
00:41:26.480 one of the
00:41:26.800 most barbaric
00:41:27.660 civilizations to
00:41:28.540 ever exist on
00:41:29.180 the face of
00:41:29.540 the earth.
00:41:30.260 They committed
00:41:31.740 human sacrifices,
00:41:33.060 tens of
00:41:33.520 thousands a
00:41:34.160 year, where
00:41:34.940 they took
00:41:35.900 slaves, they
00:41:36.600 stole people
00:41:37.200 from neighboring
00:41:37.740 lands and
00:41:38.880 tribes, and
00:41:39.900 they brought
00:41:40.200 them up to
00:41:40.520 temple steps
00:41:40.960 and they
00:41:41.220 ripped their
00:41:41.760 hearts out
00:41:42.520 and then cut
00:41:43.240 their limbs
00:41:43.760 off and
00:41:44.300 consumed the
00:41:45.180 limbs and
00:41:45.840 then rolled
00:41:46.660 the bodies
00:41:47.120 down the
00:41:47.440 temple steps.
00:41:47.940 This is what
00:41:48.460 they did to
00:41:49.100 tens of
00:41:49.940 thousands of
00:41:50.380 people.
00:41:50.560 This was a
00:41:51.000 barbaric
00:41:51.600 civilization.
00:41:52.540 Anyway, the
00:41:52.920 Spanish come,
00:41:54.440 they band
00:41:54.920 together with
00:41:55.560 other neighboring
00:41:56.280 tribes who
00:41:56.940 all hated
00:41:57.660 the Aztecs
00:41:58.480 for good
00:41:59.240 reason.
00:42:01.640 When your
00:42:02.660 neighbor next
00:42:04.580 door had his
00:42:05.780 heart ripped
00:42:06.120 out by the
00:42:06.560 Aztecs, you
00:42:07.100 might be
00:42:09.720 salty towards
00:42:10.560 them.
00:42:10.720 So they
00:42:11.820 banded together,
00:42:12.380 they overthrew
00:42:12.760 the Aztecs.
00:42:13.280 And this
00:42:14.380 is used as
00:42:14.920 an example
00:42:15.360 of, oh,
00:42:15.780 the Spanish
00:42:16.580 stole the
00:42:17.280 Aztec land.
00:42:18.540 Where do
00:42:18.840 you think the
00:42:19.320 Aztecs got
00:42:20.200 it?
00:42:20.560 They got
00:42:21.120 that land by
00:42:21.700 stealing it.
00:42:22.580 Not only
00:42:22.980 stealing it,
00:42:23.540 but they
00:42:23.740 would steal
00:42:24.260 it and
00:42:24.840 then slaughter
00:42:25.720 you and
00:42:26.680 rip your
00:42:27.080 heart out
00:42:27.560 after they
00:42:27.980 took your
00:42:28.340 land and
00:42:29.580 take slaves.
00:42:32.600 So, again,
00:42:33.900 you could say,
00:42:34.720 well, yeah,
00:42:35.060 they still stole
00:42:35.640 it.
00:42:35.840 Okay, but the
00:42:36.160 Aztecs did
00:42:36.620 too.
00:42:36.880 So you can't
00:42:37.640 mourn them.
00:42:38.300 They're also
00:42:38.720 thieves that
00:42:39.200 stole land.
00:42:39.620 So we got
00:42:40.160 to trace
00:42:40.500 all the way
00:42:40.840 back.
00:42:41.260 Who was
00:42:41.760 the original
00:42:42.200 person that
00:42:42.800 owned that
00:42:43.140 land?
00:42:44.860 It's like if I
00:42:46.160 stole your
00:42:46.740 car and then
00:42:47.540 someone stole
00:42:48.220 your car from
00:42:49.180 me.
00:42:50.880 Now, we
00:42:51.580 could blame
00:42:52.020 that person
00:42:52.500 for being a
00:42:53.060 thief, but we
00:42:53.520 can't say that
00:42:54.080 I'm the
00:42:54.500 victim.
00:42:55.080 I stole the
00:42:55.660 car.
00:42:56.400 Not only did
00:42:56.800 I steal the
00:42:57.200 car, but I
00:42:57.640 killed you
00:42:58.140 when I
00:42:58.420 stole it.
00:43:02.300 Except in
00:43:02.920 this case,
00:43:03.360 we're talking
00:43:03.740 about a car
00:43:04.340 that's been
00:43:04.760 stolen by
00:43:05.360 like a hundred
00:43:06.080 different people
00:43:06.760 and no one
00:43:07.200 even remembers
00:43:07.800 who the first
00:43:08.300 person was.
00:43:09.620 So that's
00:43:11.480 how I would
00:43:11.800 respond to
00:43:12.400 that argument.
00:43:13.760 That wasn't
00:43:14.100 30 seconds, but
00:43:14.960 that's the
00:43:15.760 answer anyway.
00:43:16.340 All right, I
00:43:16.660 got to leave it
00:43:17.060 there.
00:43:17.600 Thanks for
00:43:17.920 watching,
00:43:18.200 everybody.
00:43:18.380 Thanks for
00:43:18.640 listening.
00:43:19.160 Godspeed.
00:43:26.300 I'm Michael
00:43:26.920 Knowles, host of
00:43:27.520 The Michael
00:43:27.820 Knowles Show.
00:43:28.380 A high school
00:43:28.860 teacher in
00:43:29.360 suburban New
00:43:29.900 York, the only
00:43:30.560 openly right-leaning
00:43:31.620 teacher at his
00:43:32.260 school, has been
00:43:32.880 suspended without
00:43:33.580 pay for showing a
00:43:34.380 Fox News
00:43:34.840 documentary about
00:43:35.680 due process in
00:43:36.560 college.
00:43:37.340 The personal
00:43:37.900 aspect of this
00:43:38.540 story, he
00:43:39.440 was my teacher.
00:43:40.500 We will
00:43:40.780 interview him
00:43:41.440 about the
00:43:42.000 challenges that
00:43:42.580 conservative
00:43:42.960 teachers and
00:43:43.700 students face, plus
00:43:45.040 the mailbag.
00:43:45.600 Check it out at
00:43:46.040 dailywire.com.
00:43:46.780 We'll see you next
00:43:51.320 time.
00:43:52.320 We'll see you next
00:43:53.380 time.
00:43:54.380 We'll see you next
00:43:55.380 time.