The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 183 - It's Time To Excommunicate Pro-Abortion Catholics

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, we'll talk more about that awful abortion law in New York,

00:00:04.060 and I'll explain why the arguments made to support that law and every poor pro-abortion law

00:00:09.740 apply just as well to post-birth abortion.

00:00:13.700 Also, why hasn't Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, been excommunicated yet?

00:00:17.980 Finally, we'll talk about why the State of the Union address is a disgrace and an embarrassment

00:00:23.140 and should be finally abolished.

00:00:25.460 We'll talk about that today on the Matt Wall Show.

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00:00:44.360 Now, yesterday we talked about the barbarous, inhuman law that was just passed by the New York State Legislature,

00:00:52.060 which makes abortion legal through every stage of pregnancy.

00:00:55.320 And I explained yesterday how this law indeed will give women the ability, the power to get an abortion at any time,

00:01:04.220 at any point in their pregnancy, up till birth for any reason.

00:01:10.000 Now, the language of the law does stipulate that late-term abortions are reserved for women who have health concerns

00:01:18.240 or in order to protect a woman's, a mother's health. 0.61

00:01:20.960 But that language is so intentionally vague that it could apply to any situation at all.

00:01:26.580 As I said, you know, are we talking physical health, emotional health, psychological health, financial health, spiritual health?

00:01:32.740 It seems like any and all of those could qualify.

00:01:36.160 Besides, abortion is never actually necessary to protect a woman's health or her life.

00:01:42.820 So anytime that qualifier is put into the law, that means that there's something else going on,

00:01:50.880 because that category of abortion doesn't actually exist.

00:01:54.140 So what are they really doing there?

00:01:56.580 Obviously, they're just providing a very kind of vague way for anyone to get an abortion. 0.65

00:02:02.560 As long as they—so maybe in New York, if you're a woman, you want to get an abortion at 30 weeks or 32 weeks or whatever. 1.00

00:02:09.760 You might have to couch your reason in terms of health, but that's really it.

00:02:17.300 And I think that this point is really crucial.

00:02:22.220 I know that I hammered it yesterday, so I'm not going to spend a lot of time on it today,

00:02:25.400 but it's important that we stop and appreciate just how gratuitous and how unnecessary late-term abortion actually is.

00:02:34.160 Because the way that the left talks about it, the way that abortion advocates talk about it,

00:02:38.800 they're going to say that, well, nobody even gets late-term abortions unless they really need it. 0.58

00:02:44.760 So this is—they act like late-term abortions are the most necessary forms of abortion,

00:02:51.320 as in nobody would ever get something like that unless they absolutely needed it.

00:02:56.920 Well, that's not true at all.

00:03:00.160 Of course, all abortion is gratuitous, and all abortion at any stage in any form is unnecessary and evil.

00:03:07.380 But that's especially the case with a late-term abortion, because—here's the reason why.

00:03:17.640 Because a woman in the third trimester, if she wanted to or needed to end her pregnancy,

00:03:25.220 she could easily do it without killing the baby.

00:03:29.160 So even with an abortion, if she's getting an abortion in the third trimester, 1.00

00:03:39.240 she's going to have to go into labor and delivery either way. 1.00

00:03:43.580 If she gets an abortion, that means that the baby's going to be killed one or two days before labor and delivery. 1.00

00:03:51.500 But you could just cut that step out, which is a dangerous step for the mother as well, by the way.

00:03:56.200 You could just cut that out and deliver the baby. 0.95

00:03:58.640 You could have a C-section, and you're good to go.

00:04:00.860 Take the baby out, and boom, the pregnancy's over.

00:04:03.580 It could be over in a few minutes.

00:04:08.540 That extra step of killing the baby is completely unnecessary.

00:04:12.680 It is just murder, that's all.

00:04:14.800 There's no reason to do it.

00:04:17.300 Even in a situation where a woman legitimately does have to end her pregnancy 0.97

00:04:22.640 because of some serious health complication,

00:04:25.320 those situations happen.

00:04:27.200 There's no reason, though, to directly kill the baby ahead of time.

00:04:33.440 You could talk to any real doctor,

00:04:36.960 anyone who's, or any nurse who's worked in the labor and delivery departments of a hospital,

00:04:45.620 and they'll talk about, you know,

00:04:47.300 they've plenty of situations where you have these emergency situations

00:04:51.800 where you've got to get the baby out.

00:04:54.180 That does happen.

00:04:55.320 It's rare in any individual case, but overall, it happens kind of frequently.

00:05:02.160 But what they'll tell you, if they're being honest,

00:05:03.780 is that there's never been a situation where they had to directly kill the baby in the process.

00:05:08.420 Why would you ever have to do that?

00:05:10.880 There may be plenty of situations where you can't save the baby, sadly, tragically,

00:05:16.700 despite your best efforts, but you have to directly kill it.

00:05:19.700 Why?

00:05:21.960 So, killing the baby ahead of time is just,

00:05:24.320 not only is it evil and terrible and awful, which all abortion is, 0.92

00:05:31.160 but it's also, it's just as evil and just as unnecessary and just as egregious

00:05:37.760 as killing the baby after the birth.

00:05:41.000 There's no difference.

00:05:43.560 There's no difference at all.

00:05:44.860 None.

00:05:45.220 Not even a slight difference.

00:05:47.640 There is not even a slight difference between late-term abortion and post-birth abortion.

00:05:52.520 And I would challenge any pro-abortion person to come up with an argument against post-birth abortion

00:05:59.760 that would not also apply to late-term abortion.

00:06:03.680 You can't do it.

00:06:04.380 Or come up with an argument for late-term abortion that would not also apply to post-birth abortion.

00:06:11.420 You can't do it.

00:06:12.000 In fact, you really can't come up with an argument for abortion at any stage

00:06:17.200 that would not also apply to born infants.

00:06:21.120 Let's think about this.

00:06:22.780 There are really only four arguments, okay?

00:06:25.560 There are four arguments for abortion.

00:06:27.840 And they're all bad arguments, but these are the arguments, okay?

00:06:31.760 There are really no other arguments.

00:06:34.260 Number one, the number one main argument now is the woman's autonomy has to be respected. 1.00

00:06:41.620 It's what the woman wants to do. 1.00

00:06:43.320 The baby is dependent on her and on her body and on her life, and she has a right to autonomy,

00:06:52.540 so she should be able to express that right, enjoy that right whenever she wants.

00:06:58.640 And so if she decides that, you know what, I don't want this baby being dependent on me anymore,

00:07:03.180 then that's it.

00:07:04.340 So that's the number one argument, autonomy.

00:07:06.060 Number two, they'll say that the fetus, scare quotes around fetus,

00:07:10.420 is not fully developed, and thus it's not a real person.

00:07:14.700 Number three, they'll say the fetus is dependent on his mother, and thus not a person.

00:07:20.420 And number four, they'll say sometimes the other argument is,

00:07:23.560 well, if the fetus is not aborted, it will just become an unwanted child,

00:07:30.100 and we already have enough of those to deal with, right?

00:07:32.580 So those are the four arguments.

00:07:35.560 Autonomy, not fully developed, thus not a person, dependent, thus not a person, overpopulation.

00:07:41.620 So those are you go.

00:07:43.500 There you go.

00:07:44.000 That's the whole argument for abortion.

00:07:46.620 Every single one of those arguments, every single one,

00:07:51.060 applies just as much, if not even more, to post-birth procedures, let's call them.

00:07:58.480 So it's a matter of drawing lines, right?

00:08:02.800 You've got to decide where to draw the line.

00:08:05.800 And the point that pro-lifers have been making all along is that we've got to draw the line somewhere.

00:08:10.720 The only sensible place to draw the line is at conception.

00:08:16.280 To draw the line there and say you cannot kill the babies in the womb. 0.91

00:08:20.460 Once conception has occurred, now you have a distinct, separate, living entity,

00:08:28.820 which in the first few moments and days and weeks after conception

00:08:33.700 might not look like a fully grown and developed person,

00:08:37.760 but this is a distinct human entity, a person.

00:08:45.960 And that's the only sensible place to draw the line.

00:08:48.660 Once you have that human living entity, you've got to draw the line there.

00:08:54.740 You can't kill it.

00:08:56.700 If you don't draw the line there, then you're left with,

00:09:03.140 there is no other non-arbitrary place to draw it.

00:09:08.960 And if you're not going to draw it at conception,

00:09:11.380 there is no reason at all to draw it at birth.

00:09:14.100 Nothing really changes at birth.

00:09:15.760 That's the thing.

00:09:16.380 Nothing really changes at birth other than now the baby is in a different location.

00:09:23.260 It was inside the mother before, now it's outside.

00:09:25.460 So what?

00:09:27.260 What difference does that make?

00:09:30.040 There's no reason to draw the line there.

00:09:33.520 There's no reason to draw it in the moments after birth either.

00:09:36.540 There's no reason to draw it in infancy.

00:09:38.560 If a woman decides to keep her post-birth fetus for a while, 0.92

00:09:46.960 she's still going to discover that this creature is an enormous strain on her body,

00:09:52.860 on her time, on her energy, on her life.

00:09:56.000 In fact, the infant is much more an imposition on her autonomy

00:10:00.860 than it was while it was inside her body.

00:10:03.680 Anyone who's had an infant knows this.

00:10:08.400 When you have an infant in the house, do you feel like an autonomous person?

00:10:14.560 No, because you've got this infant that you have to take care of constantly.

00:10:17.940 At least while the baby's inside your body, you don't have to...

00:10:21.680 The process mostly takes care of itself, right?

00:10:27.100 But with an infant, it's like every waking moment,

00:10:31.140 you're taking care of this baby.

00:10:32.440 You're accounting for the baby.

00:10:33.560 You've got to wake up in the middle of the night and feed it.

00:10:35.720 And you're changing his diapers.

00:10:37.480 And you've got to buy diapers.

00:10:39.800 You've got to start buying all these things.

00:10:41.300 So now there's that financial strain as well.

00:10:44.960 An infant is as much, as I said, as much an imposition

00:10:48.260 on a woman's autonomy and the father's autonomy,

00:10:52.440 if he's involved, hopefully he is,

00:10:55.440 as the baby was while it was still inside the mother's body.

00:11:00.780 So what if a mother decides, 0.62

00:11:03.440 what if she comes to the conclusion after, say, two months or six months

00:11:07.280 that motherhood actually is not the best decision for her? 1.00

00:11:10.260 What if she decides that she doesn't want to do this?

00:11:15.860 She doesn't want to structure her entire life 0.99

00:11:18.260 around this baby.

00:11:19.520 She doesn't want to have to feed the baby. 0.98

00:11:20.820 She doesn't want to do these things.

00:11:22.840 It's her life, right?

00:11:24.040 She's autonomous.

00:11:25.580 What if she gets a major job offer

00:11:27.540 and discovers that the infant fetus

00:11:31.200 makes it difficult for her to thrive in her new position? 1.00

00:11:35.100 Or even that with this baby,

00:11:37.020 she can't even accept the position?

00:11:40.820 Or what if a thousand other scenarios,

00:11:42.660 it's none of our business anyway, right?

00:11:44.300 Don't want a post-birth abortion, don't get one. 1.00

00:11:46.700 Isn't that the slogan?

00:11:48.820 So arguments one, two, three, and four that I outlined above,

00:11:52.800 they all still hold in this case.

00:11:57.220 The infant fetus interferes with her autonomy.

00:12:00.040 It is not fully developed.

00:12:01.180 It is completely dependent.

00:12:03.520 And now that it's unwanted,

00:12:04.920 it has become a member of an overcrowded category.

00:12:08.200 So why shouldn't she be able to consult with a licensed physician 0.88

00:12:12.180 and make a decision that's best for her?

00:12:13.980 Besides, post-birth abortions happen all the time anyway. 1.00

00:12:20.560 You can make them illegal,

00:12:22.300 but it's not going to stop them from happening.

00:12:23.840 They still are going to happen.

00:12:25.180 That's just the reality of the world.

00:12:27.600 Isn't it better for there to be a safe and sanitary facility provided 0.81

00:12:30.780 rather than for her to have to do it in a back alley 1.00

00:12:34.140 or in a bathtub or something?

00:12:35.480 And we can't draw the line either.

00:12:39.300 So there's no reason to,

00:12:41.580 if we're going to allow abortions of infants in the womb,

00:12:45.540 there's no reason to not allow them of infants outside of the womb.

00:12:48.220 And there's also no reason to disallow abortions of toddlers 0.97

00:12:54.240 or, you know, toddler fetuses or adolescent fetuses

00:12:58.220 because these fetuses also continue to make demands on a woman's autonomy. 1.00

00:13:03.880 They are also wholly dependent on their parents.

00:13:08.800 They're also underdeveloped physically.

00:13:11.420 Thus, apparently, they're not people in the strictest sense.

00:13:14.500 So what if a woman discovers that motherhood is the wrong choice for her 1.00

00:13:20.240 when her, you know, fetus turns four or six or eight

00:13:23.900 or just enters middle school?

00:13:26.140 If we don't draw the line anywhere in the child's utero development,

00:13:31.200 then why draw it during its post-utero development?

00:13:35.300 And on what basis?

00:13:37.760 Now, am I suggesting that if we accept abortion, 0.81

00:13:41.300 then we may as well allow a woman to abort her fetus at any age whatsoever? 1.00

00:13:45.500 No, of course, I'm not saying that.

00:13:46.360 Don't be silly.

00:13:47.240 Because once the fetus graduates high school,

00:13:49.240 then, and it becomes independent, emancipated,

00:13:52.640 it's fully grown, it's gotten through puberty.

00:13:54.760 Now it is a fully grown entity.

00:13:57.720 And so now I think there is the possibility

00:14:00.800 that we could consider it a person, but only a possibility.

00:14:04.560 Because we've already agreed, remember,

00:14:06.360 that personhood is based on a fetus's physical development

00:14:10.620 and on its ability to care for itself.

00:14:13.260 So what about, for example, a 23-year-old disabled individual?

00:14:19.120 What about an adult on welfare?

00:14:22.200 What about someone who's homeless?

00:14:23.980 What about someone who's sick and elderly?

00:14:27.440 What about those who are physically developed 0.54

00:14:29.440 but never reach the intellectual development

00:14:32.280 that could rightly afford them a claim to personhood?

00:14:35.160 Clearly, according to abortion advocates,

00:14:39.400 we cannot in good conscience continue to consider

00:14:43.280 all of them to be people.

00:14:45.000 Those are just fetuses too. 0.97

00:14:46.940 By the way, remember, fetus is just Latin for offspring.

00:14:50.860 So that's all that is.

00:14:52.800 That's all that means.

00:14:53.540 So those are also offspring that,

00:14:56.800 according to arguments 1, 2, 3, and 4,

00:15:00.240 cannot be considered people

00:15:01.440 and should be candidates for abortion. 0.99

00:15:05.160 Now, it's easy to say that I'm making a straw man here,

00:15:08.940 or I'm engaging in a slippery slope fallacy.

00:15:13.660 Well, it is a slippery slope, but it's not a fallacy.

00:15:16.720 In fact, it's a fallacy to say

00:15:18.340 that every slippery slope argument is a fallacy.

00:15:21.000 That's not true.

00:15:22.120 Because sometimes you are on a slope,

00:15:24.160 and sometimes it is slippery.

00:15:25.540 That's just a fact.

00:15:26.440 And the point here that I'm trying to illustrate is

00:15:30.400 that I can take all of the arguments for abortion,

00:15:36.100 all of them,

00:15:37.660 and I can take them fully intact,

00:15:41.480 preserving their integrity, if I can call it that,

00:15:44.800 and I can take them over here,

00:15:48.960 and I can apply them to infants,

00:15:51.680 to toddlers, to adolescents,

00:15:53.660 to the disabled,

00:15:54.900 to people on welfare,

00:15:56.760 to people who are intellectually stunted,

00:16:00.580 to the elderly,

00:16:02.780 and so on.

00:16:03.540 I can really apply all of those arguments

00:16:06.620 to all of those groups.

00:16:10.980 That should trouble you

00:16:12.520 as a pro-abortion advocate.

00:16:15.600 Because if you can look and say,

00:16:17.840 wow, okay,

00:16:18.640 all of my arguments could easily be used

00:16:21.440 to justify the Holocaust,

00:16:24.040 then that means that either your arguments are bad,

00:16:28.940 or your position is bad,

00:16:30.660 or both.

00:16:31.220 That's the whole point of a slippery slope argument.

00:16:34.900 That's why a slippery slope argument

00:16:36.720 can be a very legitimate argument.

00:16:42.100 Because the whole point is to show you,

00:16:43.980 if I can take your argument,

00:16:45.460 whatever argument you made,

00:16:46.640 if I can take it intact,

00:16:49.640 and use it to justify something

00:16:51.620 that we all agree is horrible,

00:16:54.340 then there's something wrong with your argument.

00:16:58.300 Or there's something wrong with your position.

00:17:01.220 Now, in this case,

00:17:02.600 there are no other arguments available for abortion,

00:17:05.820 so that means there's just something

00:17:07.560 very wrong with your position.

00:17:10.200 Your position is bad.

00:17:11.840 It's terrible.

00:17:12.560 It's evil.

00:17:14.600 Speaking of evil,

00:17:15.760 Governor Andrew Cuomo in New York

00:17:17.500 has been a huge cheerleader of this new law.

00:17:21.540 He even lit the World Trade Center pink

00:17:23.340 to celebrate it.

00:17:24.920 Cuomo is an alleged Catholic.

00:17:26.920 Not only Catholic,

00:17:28.800 but he cites his Catholic faith

00:17:31.180 all the time

00:17:32.400 to advocate for positions

00:17:34.140 that he holds,

00:17:36.520 which means

00:17:37.420 that the bishops in New York

00:17:39.860 really have a role to play here,

00:17:42.180 don't they?

00:17:43.360 It seems like they should have something to say

00:17:45.180 and something to do as well.

00:17:47.720 Well, what have they done?

00:17:49.160 The bishops in New York,

00:17:50.300 they did issue a statement a few days ago

00:17:52.260 about this law

00:17:53.320 where they expressed their sadness.

00:17:55.700 I'm going to read the statement to you.

00:17:57.200 The statement is

00:17:57.960 from the bishops in New York.

00:18:00.600 Words are insufficient

00:18:01.380 to describe the profound sadness

00:18:02.960 we feel

00:18:03.520 at the contemplated passage

00:18:04.720 of New York State's

00:18:05.580 new proposed abortion policy.

00:18:07.900 We mourn the unborn infants

00:18:09.240 who will lose their lives

00:18:10.220 and that many mothers and fathers

00:18:11.980 will suffer remorse and heartbreak

00:18:13.160 as a result.

00:18:13.820 The so-called Reproductive Health Act

00:18:15.460 will expand our state's

00:18:16.620 already radically permissive law

00:18:17.960 by empowering more health practitioners

00:18:19.320 to provide abortion

00:18:21.160 and removing all state restrictions

00:18:22.620 on late-term procedures.

00:18:24.380 With an abortion rate 0.96

00:18:25.140 that is already double

00:18:25.920 the national average,

00:18:26.800 New York law is moving

00:18:27.660 in the wrong direction.

00:18:29.220 We renew our pledge

00:18:30.100 to offer the resources

00:18:31.060 and services

00:18:31.580 of our charitable agencies

00:18:32.560 and health services

00:18:33.160 to any woman

00:18:33.880 experiencing an unplanned pregnancy

00:18:35.500 to support her

00:18:36.140 in bearing her infant,

00:18:37.500 raising her family,

00:18:38.260 or replacing her child

00:18:39.040 for adoption.

00:18:40.040 There are life-affirming choices

00:18:41.240 available and we aim

00:18:42.220 to make them more widely known.

00:18:44.400 It goes on a little from there.

00:18:46.700 Okay, that's fine, right?

00:18:48.380 It's a fine statement.

00:18:49.820 I agree with it, obviously.

00:18:52.100 You're sad about the law.

00:18:53.980 You're mourning the law.

00:18:55.820 It's a bad law.

00:18:56.840 Fine.

00:18:58.020 But this is not

00:18:59.120 nearly harsh enough.

00:19:00.220 It doesn't go nearly far enough.

00:19:02.140 Not nearly strong enough.

00:19:04.540 I should mention

00:19:05.280 that Bishop Edward Scharfenberger

00:19:07.680 of Albany,

00:19:08.760 he wrote his own letter

00:19:09.760 condemning the law

00:19:10.580 and it's better than that.

00:19:12.500 It's a lot stronger.

00:19:14.000 It's a good letter,

00:19:14.760 but still.

00:19:16.360 A lot more needs to be done

00:19:17.920 with these Catholic politicians

00:19:20.040 who advance measures

00:19:21.800 that will result

00:19:22.640 in the deaths

00:19:23.320 of thousands more babies.

00:19:26.640 Specifically,

00:19:28.420 you know,

00:19:28.680 the thing about the Catholic Church

00:19:29.840 is that there is

00:19:30.980 a step you can take,

00:19:33.020 a rather dramatic

00:19:33.900 step,

00:19:36.160 and that is

00:19:36.520 you can excommunicate.

00:19:37.780 every moment

00:19:42.080 that Andrew Cuomo

00:19:43.420 and Nancy Pelosi

00:19:45.720 and these other

00:19:47.340 fake Catholic 0.99

00:19:48.300 Democrat politicians,

00:19:49.440 every moment

00:19:50.000 that they're allowed

00:19:50.620 to continue calling

00:19:51.440 themselves Catholic

00:19:52.180 is a scandal

00:19:53.340 for the Church

00:19:54.620 because they can be

00:19:57.420 publicly excommunicated

00:19:59.140 and they should be.

00:20:00.060 as in their bishops

00:20:01.640 can stand up

00:20:02.300 and say,

00:20:03.100 you are not a member

00:20:03.840 of the Church.

00:20:05.600 You are not Catholic. 0.86

00:20:07.140 You can call yourself that,

00:20:08.340 but you're not.

00:20:11.080 Now consider this.

00:20:12.240 In 1962,

00:20:14.060 a group of Catholic

00:20:14.940 segregationists

00:20:15.760 were excommunicated

00:20:17.020 for publicly supporting

00:20:18.860 and advancing

00:20:19.460 racist policies.

00:20:20.820 Now what got them

00:20:21.600 excommunicated

00:20:22.280 was that they kept

00:20:23.920 doing it

00:20:24.600 even after they were told

00:20:25.600 by their bishops

00:20:26.120 to stop.

00:20:26.700 plus they were

00:20:28.040 making fallacious

00:20:29.460 theological arguments

00:20:30.820 for their evil position.

00:20:34.760 They were using

00:20:35.480 their Catholic faith

00:20:36.560 to justify

00:20:38.700 this evil,

00:20:39.980 which is a great

00:20:40.540 public scandal,

00:20:41.740 using their religion

00:20:43.100 to advance evil.

00:20:45.300 And so that's what

00:20:45.780 got them excommunicated,

00:20:47.000 rightly so,

00:20:47.580 in my opinion.

00:20:48.720 Well, that's exactly

00:20:49.980 what pro-abortion

00:20:50.680 politicians are doing also.

00:20:52.260 It's not just that

00:20:53.280 they happen to be Catholic,

00:20:54.520 which is bad enough.

00:20:55.540 It's that they use

00:20:56.620 their Catholicism

00:20:57.760 to advance

00:21:00.100 these sorts of policies.

00:21:03.520 If these bishops

00:21:04.740 had even

00:21:05.840 a little small portion

00:21:08.300 of a spine,

00:21:09.060 they would

00:21:09.420 excommunicate

00:21:10.560 these people.

00:21:13.020 Okay, one other

00:21:13.920 quick thing to mention

00:21:14.620 before I get to

00:21:15.280 some of your emails.

00:21:16.360 The saga over

00:21:17.340 the State of the Union

00:21:18.140 address is continuing.

00:21:19.700 Now Trump says,

00:21:21.640 Trump originally

00:21:22.180 said he was going

00:21:22.760 to insist

00:21:23.120 that he gives

00:21:24.640 the State of the Union,

00:21:25.480 even though Nancy Pelosi

00:21:26.320 saying you can't

00:21:27.360 give the State of the Union

00:21:28.080 during the shutdown.

00:21:29.520 Trump said he was

00:21:29.980 going to give it.

00:21:30.460 Now Trump sent

00:21:31.380 a tweet this morning

00:21:32.160 saying that he'll

00:21:33.800 wait till after

00:21:34.560 the shutdown

00:21:35.040 to give the State

00:21:35.720 of the Union.

00:21:36.860 And that is,

00:21:38.460 look, I knew

00:21:39.360 there was no way

00:21:40.500 that Trump would agree

00:21:41.540 to not do

00:21:42.300 the State of the Union

00:21:43.000 after Nancy Pelosi

00:21:44.200 suggested it.

00:21:45.540 But I was really

00:21:46.880 hoping that Trump

00:21:47.880 would be the guy

00:21:48.480 to get rid

00:21:49.000 of the State of the Union.

00:21:50.220 I know that I'm not

00:21:51.200 breaking any new ground here.

00:21:52.200 A lot of people

00:21:52.560 complain about it.

00:21:53.200 I just want to register

00:21:54.200 my complaint as well,

00:21:55.400 which will accomplish

00:21:56.920 nothing, I'm sure,

00:21:57.740 but I'm going to do it anyway.

00:21:59.460 The State of the Union

00:22:00.300 address is an absolute,

00:22:02.120 I mean,

00:22:02.740 it's a disgrace

00:22:03.960 in my opinion,

00:22:05.540 the way that it's handled.

00:22:06.920 Now,

00:22:08.440 the way that State of the Union

00:22:10.300 addresses were originally given,

00:22:11.880 the way that they should be given,

00:22:13.120 is the President

00:22:14.460 writes a statement

00:22:15.540 talking about

00:22:16.940 the State of the Union

00:22:17.800 and releases it.

00:22:19.760 And we can all read it.

00:22:21.460 Right?

00:22:21.580 We all have the Internet now,

00:22:22.740 and so we can just

00:22:23.320 put it out there,

00:22:23.780 we can read it,

00:22:24.180 we can see it for ourselves.

00:22:26.620 The problem is all the pageantry

00:22:28.340 that goes into it.

00:22:29.940 You know,

00:22:30.240 where the President

00:22:31.580 walks down the aisle

00:22:32.740 and everyone stands

00:22:33.760 and claps,

00:22:34.500 and then he gets up there

00:22:35.560 and there are applause lines,

00:22:36.980 and then that side

00:22:37.860 doesn't applaud,

00:22:38.680 and that side does.

00:22:40.020 It's this whole,

00:22:40.720 it's the theatrics

00:22:41.940 and the pageantry of it,

00:22:43.680 which is just not in keeping

00:22:45.960 with the American spirit

00:22:48.160 whatsoever.

00:22:49.780 First of all,

00:22:50.180 the whole idea of having,

00:22:51.500 of everyone standing

00:22:52.280 and applauding

00:22:52.820 as the President

00:22:53.960 makes his grand entrance

00:22:55.140 down the aisle,

00:22:56.700 it's,

00:22:56.960 ah, yes,

00:22:57.300 I'm the President.

00:22:58.440 That's what kings do.

00:22:59.860 That's not what presidents

00:23:01.680 are supposed to do.

00:23:03.500 The President

00:23:04.340 is supposed to be

00:23:05.260 a public servant

00:23:06.400 who works for us,

00:23:08.540 who we elected.

00:23:10.180 That's what's supposed

00:23:10.960 to separate us

00:23:12.180 from so many other countries,

00:23:13.820 is that we don't do

00:23:14.760 the whole thing

00:23:15.280 where the guy walks

00:23:16.100 down the aisle

00:23:16.740 and everyone's,

00:23:17.220 oh, yeah,

00:23:17.840 let me reach out

00:23:19.200 and touch his hand,

00:23:20.700 that we're not supposed

00:23:21.620 to do that.

00:23:24.680 And the whole,

00:23:25.400 the pageantry

00:23:26.020 of the applauding

00:23:27.080 and the clapping,

00:23:27.920 it's just,

00:23:28.760 it's so dumb

00:23:29.620 and ridiculous.

00:23:30.540 And it's also

00:23:31.260 completely useless

00:23:32.600 in terms of actually

00:23:33.580 finding out

00:23:34.280 what's going on

00:23:34.940 in the country.

00:23:36.000 Because all the

00:23:37.020 State of the Union

00:23:37.560 address has become

00:23:38.780 is just a campaign speech

00:23:40.760 by the President

00:23:41.540 that becomes dignified

00:23:44.020 by all the pageantry

00:23:45.000 that surrounds it.

00:23:45.640 We all sit and watch

00:23:46.940 this campaign speech.

00:23:48.160 Let me ask you,

00:23:48.840 when was the last time

00:23:50.100 in a State of the Union

00:23:51.440 address you heard

00:23:52.660 a president talk

00:23:54.500 about the things

00:23:55.340 that his administration

00:23:56.080 did wrong

00:23:57.020 and things that he

00:23:58.020 needs to personally

00:23:58.800 improve on?

00:23:59.380 When was the last time

00:23:59.920 you heard a president

00:24:00.420 say in a State of the Union

00:24:01.060 address,

00:24:01.580 it's like,

00:24:01.840 hey,

00:24:02.080 you know,

00:24:02.260 we tried this thing

00:24:03.160 over here,

00:24:03.820 didn't work out,

00:24:04.560 we made this mistake.

00:24:06.340 If it was a legitimate

00:24:07.480 State of the Union address

00:24:08.480 and he was actually

00:24:09.240 just telling you

00:24:09.940 what's going on

00:24:10.680 and getting you

00:24:11.680 up to speed

00:24:12.280 and it was kind of

00:24:13.540 objective in that way,

00:24:14.500 then you would hear that,

00:24:16.060 then presidents

00:24:16.540 would do that.

00:24:17.980 But they never do

00:24:18.800 because it's just,

00:24:19.840 it's remarkable.

00:24:20.880 Isn't it remarkable

00:24:21.600 that in every State

00:24:22.460 of the Union address

00:24:23.100 it turns out

00:24:24.240 that the president

00:24:24.820 is doing a great job

00:24:26.000 and that although

00:24:26.960 there are some challenges

00:24:27.920 the country faces

00:24:28.780 were headed in

00:24:29.700 the right direction,

00:24:30.680 have you noticed

00:24:31.180 that every single

00:24:32.120 State of the Union address

00:24:33.040 that's been publicly given,

00:24:34.880 it just so happens

00:24:35.740 that that's the case?

00:24:36.860 I mean,

00:24:37.100 it's a miracle.

00:24:39.760 It turns out

00:24:40.380 that every president

00:24:41.340 is doing a great job

00:24:42.480 and that the country's

00:24:43.500 always headed

00:24:44.080 in the right direction

00:24:44.860 according to the president

00:24:46.080 during the State of the Union.

00:24:48.400 It's a total waste of time

00:24:49.700 and I am just waiting

00:24:51.000 for the president

00:24:51.660 who will say,

00:24:52.340 you know what,

00:24:52.600 I'm done with this.

00:24:53.380 I don't need the pageantry.

00:24:54.840 I don't need you guys applauding.

00:24:57.660 Here, I'll write this down.

00:24:59.340 It's a couple pages long.

00:25:00.800 You can read it.

00:25:01.560 Boom, we're done.

00:25:02.380 That's all.

00:25:02.760 That's all we need.

00:25:04.320 Finally, let's get

00:25:05.060 to some emails.

00:25:05.900 If you want to email the show,

00:25:07.040 mattwalshow at gmail.com,

00:25:09.100 mattwalshow at gmail.com.

00:25:10.540 From Timothy,

00:25:12.460 he says,

00:25:12.800 Matt,

00:25:13.260 you talk so flippantly

00:25:14.800 about so-called

00:25:15.760 late-term abortion.

00:25:17.240 He puts that in scare quotes.

00:25:19.900 You say,

00:25:20.700 well,

00:25:21.020 just take the baby out alive

00:25:22.460 and put him up for adoption.

00:25:23.780 You make it sound so easy.

00:25:26.300 Do you have any idea

00:25:27.260 how many kids

00:25:28.060 are waiting around

00:25:28.800 to be adopted

00:25:29.440 in this country?

00:25:30.480 Get rid of abortion 1.00

00:25:31.280 and you just create

00:25:32.280 more orphans.

00:25:34.080 Okay,

00:25:34.300 so that's argument number four

00:25:35.460 that I mentioned before.

00:25:36.960 There are two problems

00:25:37.860 with this argument.

00:25:38.360 It's a very common argument.

00:25:39.180 This whole thing

00:25:41.020 about when you talk about

00:25:42.420 the pro-aborts,

00:25:44.840 we'll say,

00:25:45.380 well,

00:25:45.520 what about all the kids

00:25:47.300 who already need to be adopted?

00:25:48.520 Did you,

00:25:49.140 have you adopted any babies?

00:25:51.600 Two problems here.

00:25:54.500 Number one,

00:25:55.240 it's totally false.

00:25:58.220 And this is,

00:25:58.980 this is so often the case

00:25:59.980 with arguments

00:26:00.980 that pro-abortion people make

00:26:02.380 where

00:26:04.040 the argument is,

00:26:06.240 first of all,

00:26:06.580 false

00:26:06.980 and also irrelevant anyway,

00:26:08.820 where even if it was true,

00:26:10.160 it still wouldn't matter.

00:26:11.520 So this argument

00:26:12.400 is both false and irrelevant.

00:26:13.760 Let me explain why it's false.

00:26:15.400 It's true that there are

00:26:16.260 a lot of,

00:26:16.740 there are a lot of kids,

00:26:18.100 there are a lot of children

00:26:18.840 in,

00:26:20.160 in the system now,

00:26:21.380 in foster care,

00:26:22.640 up for adoption.

00:26:23.780 There are a lot of,

00:26:24.540 there are a lot of kids

00:26:26.000 waiting to be adopted.

00:26:26.980 That is true.

00:26:29.140 And it's,

00:26:29.720 that's true.

00:26:30.900 That's true.

00:26:31.640 And it's a,

00:26:32.080 it's a,

00:26:32.500 it's a very sad thing,

00:26:33.680 but it's not true

00:26:37.560 that there are a bunch of babies

00:26:39.320 waiting to be adopted.

00:26:40.700 In fact,

00:26:41.560 if you had a baby,

00:26:43.260 an infant,

00:26:44.240 up for adoption,

00:26:44.980 there would be a line

00:26:46.180 around the block

00:26:47.760 waiting to adopt that baby.

00:26:50.700 Babies get adopted like that

00:26:52.460 in this country.

00:26:53.640 It is very easy

00:26:55.140 to get a baby adopted.

00:26:57.160 Just talk to any couple

00:26:59.080 that has tried to adopt

00:27:00.720 a baby,

00:27:01.480 an infant,

00:27:02.080 and you'll,

00:27:02.540 they'll tell you

00:27:03.320 how long they had to wait,

00:27:05.260 how difficult it was

00:27:06.660 just because everybody

00:27:08.560 wants to adopt a baby.

00:27:10.520 So this idea that,

00:27:11.780 well,

00:27:11.920 you know,

00:27:12.100 you put the child up

00:27:12.800 for adoption

00:27:13.320 and he's going to sit

00:27:14.440 in foster care

00:27:15.180 and sit in an orphanage.

00:27:16.340 It's just not true.

00:27:18.440 There is a line

00:27:19.900 miles long

00:27:21.540 of people waiting

00:27:22.380 to adopt babies.

00:27:23.460 It's harder,

00:27:24.440 unfortunately,

00:27:25.160 sadly,

00:27:25.720 to get,

00:27:26.980 older children adopted.

00:27:30.520 A child is six

00:27:31.540 or seven years old

00:27:32.340 and that's the really

00:27:33.400 sad thing.

00:27:34.580 But it's understandable

00:27:36.180 from the perspective

00:27:36.940 of any individual

00:27:38.860 married couple

00:27:40.260 and they're looking

00:27:41.400 to adopt

00:27:41.900 and they'd really

00:27:43.060 like to adopt

00:27:43.840 a baby

00:27:44.680 so they can be there

00:27:45.620 through its entire life

00:27:46.640 and form that bond

00:27:48.380 sort of automatically.

00:27:49.620 there are a lot

00:27:53.040 of extra challenges

00:27:54.000 with adopting older kids

00:27:55.360 which,

00:27:57.340 and that's why

00:27:57.860 I have so much respect

00:27:58.920 for the people

00:27:59.560 who,

00:28:00.020 the heroes

00:28:00.740 who do adopt

00:28:01.460 older children.

00:28:02.800 I'm just talking

00:28:03.600 about the reality

00:28:04.260 of the situation.

00:28:05.100 That's all.

00:28:05.420 This is just the reality

00:28:06.360 that it's very easy

00:28:09.580 to get a baby adopted.

00:28:11.040 That's all.

00:28:13.520 But second thing,

00:28:14.360 it's irrelevant anyway.

00:28:15.580 It's got nothing to do.

00:28:16.480 the issue of adoption

00:28:18.620 and how many kids

00:28:19.380 are up for adoption,

00:28:20.260 that is very relevant

00:28:22.040 to society.

00:28:22.840 It's a very important thing.

00:28:24.680 But in terms of evaluating

00:28:26.300 the abortion issue,

00:28:27.660 it's irrelevant.

00:28:30.280 Because the question

00:28:32.440 surrounding abortion,

00:28:34.700 does a mother have 0.98

00:28:36.300 an inherent right

00:28:36.960 to kill a child

00:28:37.800 just because it's

00:28:38.620 dependent on her?

00:28:40.100 Is it true

00:28:41.040 that you're not a person

00:28:42.100 if you're not

00:28:42.520 physically developed?

00:28:44.800 Is it moral

00:28:46.040 to kill a human being?

00:28:48.200 Those are basically

00:28:49.580 the three questions

00:28:50.480 that surround abortion.

00:28:51.540 They have nothing

00:28:52.060 to do with adoption.

00:28:53.200 Even if there were

00:28:53.820 a million babies

00:28:54.700 waiting to be adopted,

00:28:55.840 that would have no bearing

00:28:57.060 on the answers

00:28:57.920 to those questions.

00:28:59.720 So if we determine

00:29:00.820 that no,

00:29:01.400 it's not okay

00:29:01.920 for a woman

00:29:02.320 to kill her child,

00:29:03.620 and that no,

00:29:04.580 your personhood

00:29:05.120 is not dependent

00:29:05.760 on your physical development,

00:29:07.560 and that yes,

00:29:10.100 it is immoral

00:29:10.760 to intentionally

00:29:11.580 kill innocent life, 0.99

00:29:12.880 well,

00:29:13.200 then abortion is wrong. 0.99

00:29:14.620 Again,

00:29:14.840 even if there are

00:29:15.660 50 million babies

00:29:17.220 waiting to be adopted,

00:29:18.480 abortion would still 0.99

00:29:19.580 be wrong in that case.

00:29:21.440 So it's an irrelevant

00:29:22.880 point to the abortion issue.

00:29:25.760 This is from,

00:29:27.720 this email is also

00:29:29.280 from Tim.

00:29:29.600 The other one

00:29:29.920 was from Timothy.

00:29:30.620 I think it's

00:29:31.080 a different person.

00:29:32.580 Matt,

00:29:32.920 I'm a huge fan

00:29:33.620 from even before

00:29:34.500 you joined the Daily Wire,

00:29:35.340 even after you discredit

00:29:36.380 my email,

00:29:37.020 I'll still support you.

00:29:38.420 It's so obvious

00:29:39.100 that our nation

00:29:39.660 is under attack

00:29:40.480 by outside forces

00:29:41.540 as a collaborative effort.

00:29:43.020 Obviously,

00:29:44.560 it's not one evil

00:29:45.580 little man

00:29:46.140 with a mean white cat,

00:29:47.460 but you and Ben

00:29:48.500 sure do a good job

00:29:49.580 of joking it off

00:29:50.420 like that.

00:29:51.680 For how smart

00:29:52.580 the two of you are,

00:29:53.360 I know you obviously

00:29:54.240 see it.

00:29:54.720 It's very clear

00:29:55.280 that we're being destroyed

00:29:56.180 from the inside out

00:29:57.100 and that they are

00:29:57.820 breaking down

00:29:58.400 our morals and values.

00:29:59.580 It's being done

00:30:00.320 through our media

00:30:01.000 and culture.

00:30:02.060 Are you guys

00:30:02.680 and the investigators

00:30:03.460 trying to not cross

00:30:04.700 a certain line

00:30:05.480 to stay appealing

00:30:06.540 to a mainstream audience?

00:30:07.600 By the way,

00:30:08.680 you and Ben

00:30:09.040 write good books,

00:30:09.840 but Michael Knowles

00:30:10.540 is the best.

00:30:12.360 You and Ben

00:30:12.740 should try and learn

00:30:13.440 a thing or two

00:30:13.940 from him.

00:30:14.600 Thank you.

00:30:16.220 I agree.

00:30:16.860 I remain completely jealous

00:30:18.440 of Knowles

00:30:19.520 for selling a book

00:30:21.340 with nothing in it.

00:30:25.120 Tim, look,

00:30:26.060 obviously,

00:30:26.580 I can't speak for Ben,

00:30:27.520 but we both agree

00:30:29.660 that the nation

00:30:30.580 is under attack,

00:30:31.560 that something

00:30:32.200 is happening

00:30:32.780 from the inside out,

00:30:35.300 that our morals

00:30:36.100 and values

00:30:36.820 are breaking down.

00:30:38.400 I think it seems

00:30:39.160 like what you're

00:30:39.480 taking issue with

00:30:40.300 is that neither one

00:30:41.140 of us subscribe

00:30:41.780 to most of the

00:30:43.000 conspiracy theories

00:30:44.220 where the picture

00:30:46.060 is painted

00:30:46.620 of some kind

00:30:47.260 of homogenous,

00:30:49.100 devious force

00:30:50.020 behind the scenes

00:30:51.120 pulling the levers

00:30:52.000 and hatching plans

00:30:53.480 and passing secret notes

00:30:55.260 to one another,

00:30:56.140 pulling the strings,

00:30:57.760 coming up with these

00:30:58.920 dastardly plots

00:31:00.200 and so on.

00:31:01.560 I reject that.

00:31:02.740 I think Ben

00:31:03.080 rejects that too.

00:31:04.640 The reason I don't

00:31:05.460 subscribe to it

00:31:07.000 is because

00:31:09.980 I just don't think

00:31:11.320 that that is how

00:31:12.400 evil generally works,

00:31:14.200 especially in our culture.

00:31:17.060 It seems to me

00:31:18.220 that many powerful people,

00:31:20.400 powerful forces,

00:31:21.400 powerful institutions

00:31:22.380 are all on the same

00:31:24.720 ideological page

00:31:25.840 so they don't need

00:31:27.140 to get together

00:31:27.780 and plot

00:31:28.380 and hatch plans

00:31:29.340 and conspire

00:31:30.620 in darkened rooms.

00:31:32.000 Do you think

00:31:34.560 that journalists

00:31:35.240 and media members

00:31:37.080 and the CEOs

00:31:38.020 of these companies,

00:31:39.140 do you think

00:31:39.500 that they all meet

00:31:40.300 in rooms

00:31:40.920 and agree

00:31:41.920 to try to bring

00:31:42.660 down Trump?

00:31:44.360 Well, no,

00:31:45.240 because they already

00:31:46.520 agree.

00:31:47.220 It was an unspoken

00:31:48.580 agreement.

00:31:49.220 Of course they're going

00:31:49.820 to try to bring down

00:31:50.500 Trump and so that's

00:31:51.020 what they've been doing.

00:31:51.860 There doesn't need

00:31:52.620 to be a conspiracy.

00:31:53.740 They're all on

00:31:54.300 the same page.

00:31:55.380 It's understood.

00:31:56.080 It is an unspoken

00:31:57.340 conspiracy.

00:31:58.360 It is a,

00:31:59.220 if you will,

00:31:59.860 a non-conspiring

00:32:01.380 conspiracy.

00:32:02.260 Same for the media's

00:32:03.520 decision to,

00:32:04.380 for instance,

00:32:04.920 ignore the March

00:32:05.660 for Life every year.

00:32:07.080 Now that's the kind

00:32:07.940 of thing,

00:32:08.200 if you didn't know

00:32:08.680 any better

00:32:09.120 and you saw

00:32:09.620 how there's been

00:32:10.380 this consistent blackout

00:32:11.580 of the March

00:32:11.960 for Life for 40 years

00:32:13.040 even though hundreds

00:32:14.000 of thousands of people

00:32:14.660 show up in Washington,

00:32:15.540 D.C.,

00:32:16.280 which is media headquarters,

00:32:18.040 especially for political media

00:32:19.280 and yet they're ignored

00:32:20.920 and if you saw that

00:32:22.180 you would say,

00:32:22.540 well,

00:32:22.600 it seems like

00:32:23.100 this is some sort of,

00:32:25.060 this is a,

00:32:26.560 they apparently have agreed.

00:32:27.940 You know,

00:32:28.040 this is some sort of

00:32:28.640 concerted effort

00:32:29.520 on their part.

00:32:30.100 But no,

00:32:31.180 it doesn't need

00:32:31.880 to be a concerted effort.

00:32:33.640 It doesn't need

00:32:34.380 to be a coordinated effort.

00:32:35.580 They all just agree

00:32:36.760 that of course

00:32:37.520 they're not going

00:32:37.920 to cover that.

00:32:39.600 And most things

00:32:40.600 in our culture

00:32:41.120 are like that.

00:32:42.160 These forces

00:32:42.940 understand

00:32:44.120 where they want

00:32:45.580 to go,

00:32:45.940 where they're coming

00:32:46.540 from,

00:32:47.040 what sort of culture

00:32:47.900 they want to build

00:32:48.760 and so they move

00:32:49.960 us in that direction.

00:32:52.280 So it's less dramatic,

00:32:53.700 it's less cinematic,

00:32:54.620 but it's

00:32:57.480 extremely effective.

00:33:00.680 My other problem

00:33:01.500 with conspiracy theories

00:33:02.360 by the way

00:33:02.720 is that they always

00:33:03.720 seem to way,

00:33:05.020 way overestimate

00:33:06.480 the intelligence

00:33:07.280 and the competence

00:33:08.520 of the powers that be.

00:33:11.160 Take,

00:33:11.640 and I know you probably

00:33:12.160 weren't referring to this

00:33:13.060 specifically,

00:33:13.720 but think about

00:33:14.700 the moon landing conspiracy.

00:33:18.080 Not only is that

00:33:19.100 conspiracy theory

00:33:19.760 completely baseless

00:33:20.800 and all of the evidence

00:33:22.540 for it has been

00:33:23.220 debunked a thousand times,

00:33:24.800 but it also would require

00:33:26.620 an enormous amount

00:33:30.500 of coordination

00:33:31.600 and intelligence

00:33:33.660 and competence

00:33:38.000 from a great many

00:33:40.900 government agencies

00:33:43.740 and individual bureaucrats,

00:33:45.720 not just in America,

00:33:46.740 but across the world.

00:33:49.740 And that's just,

00:33:50.320 if you know anything

00:33:51.560 about how the government works

00:33:52.900 and how bureaucrats work 1.00

00:33:54.180 and how bureaucracies work,

00:33:55.980 you would know

00:33:56.600 that that is just

00:33:57.160 not possible.

00:34:00.240 Finally,

00:34:01.120 I want an answer

00:34:01.820 more than that,

00:34:02.340 but I'm going to

00:34:03.000 cut it off here.

00:34:05.940 So Bridget emails 0.58

00:34:07.280 and says,

00:34:07.920 I really enjoy your show.

00:34:08.880 I've appreciated

00:34:09.360 your defense

00:34:09.960 of the greatness

00:34:10.560 of the men

00:34:11.140 who founded our country

00:34:12.100 as well as Columbus

00:34:12.900 who discovered the land.

00:34:14.740 Can you please give me

00:34:15.760 your 30-second elevator speech

00:34:17.440 about why people

00:34:18.320 are wrong

00:34:18.960 when they say

00:34:19.620 that the Europeans

00:34:20.620 stole the land

00:34:21.820 and therefore

00:34:22.600 we as Americans

00:34:23.300 have no right to it?

00:34:24.540 I would love

00:34:25.020 to have a ready defense

00:34:26.040 when those questions arise

00:34:27.320 as they so often

00:34:29.520 do these days.

00:34:32.440 30 seconds.

00:34:33.660 Well,

00:34:33.860 I don't know

00:34:34.080 if I can explain

00:34:34.660 anything in 30 seconds.

00:34:35.560 I don't know

00:34:36.040 if you noticed.

00:34:36.540 I can't do anything

00:34:37.060 in 30 seconds.

00:34:39.360 But I'll try to answer

00:34:40.700 it as briefly as possible.

00:34:41.860 And I'm speaking

00:34:42.380 generally here,

00:34:43.280 okay?

00:34:43.460 There was some stealing

00:34:45.780 that went on.

00:34:47.340 Evil acts were committed.

00:34:48.820 It was a rather messy

00:34:50.040 period of history

00:34:51.380 as all periods

00:34:52.480 of human history

00:34:53.080 are messy.

00:34:53.980 But broad strokes,

00:34:55.600 the idea that we stole

00:34:57.920 this land

00:34:58.620 and that we're now

00:34:59.240 on stolen land

00:35:00.160 is absurd.

00:35:01.200 It's ridiculous.

00:35:02.180 It's not credible

00:35:02.980 for two main reasons.

00:35:06.500 Okay?

00:35:06.700 So here's your

00:35:07.260 ready-made defense.

00:35:09.460 Number one,

00:35:09.960 keep in mind

00:35:12.660 when we talk

00:35:13.300 about Europeans

00:35:14.060 coming to the Americas,

00:35:16.440 we mean

00:35:17.120 the Americas

00:35:18.720 as in

00:35:19.360 North,

00:35:20.080 Central,

00:35:20.420 and South America.

00:35:22.540 And throughout

00:35:23.700 the hemisphere,

00:35:25.220 so we're talking

00:35:25.980 about like the entire

00:35:26.740 Western Hemisphere.

00:35:28.380 We don't know

00:35:29.240 exactly how many

00:35:30.020 indigenous people

00:35:30.740 lived through

00:35:32.120 all that space,

00:35:32.980 but it was maybe

00:35:33.920 20 million,

00:35:34.800 some estimates.

00:35:35.640 There are some

00:35:36.000 estimates as low

00:35:36.600 as 10 million,

00:35:37.340 some 20,

00:35:37.980 some 50.

00:35:39.960 let's even take

00:35:41.600 50 million.

00:35:42.200 Let's take a higher estimate.

00:35:43.760 So 50 million

00:35:44.620 indigenous people

00:35:46.360 spread out

00:35:48.200 over something

00:35:49.140 like 16

00:35:50.260 to 17

00:35:51.060 million

00:35:52.380 square miles.

00:35:56.100 Okay?

00:35:57.640 Keep in mind,

00:35:58.380 there are

00:35:58.600 over 300

00:36:01.100 million people

00:36:02.420 living in

00:36:03.100 just

00:36:03.620 the United

00:36:04.380 States

00:36:05.100 today.

00:36:06.280 So we're

00:36:07.040 talking about

00:36:07.780 at most

00:36:09.240 maybe 50

00:36:09.900 million people

00:36:10.580 over the

00:36:11.520 entire

00:36:12.060 hemisphere.

00:36:14.460 So the idea

00:36:15.640 that this

00:36:16.600 relatively

00:36:17.000 small

00:36:17.800 smattering

00:36:18.360 of disparate,

00:36:19.620 isolated,

00:36:20.920 disconnected

00:36:21.580 tribes

00:36:22.240 somehow

00:36:23.040 collectively

00:36:23.840 owned

00:36:24.460 the entire

00:36:25.380 hemisphere

00:36:26.140 is just

00:36:27.500 absolutely

00:36:27.960 nuts.

00:36:29.720 So what?

00:36:30.420 Human

00:36:31.080 civilization

00:36:31.580 was supposed

00:36:32.120 to relegate

00:36:32.800 itself

00:36:33.220 to the

00:36:34.080 other side

00:36:34.640 of the

00:36:34.860 Atlantic

00:36:35.260 forever?

00:36:36.440 Everyone

00:36:36.780 was just

00:36:37.300 supposed to

00:36:37.820 stay over

00:36:38.360 there.

00:36:39.100 Nobody

00:36:39.340 was allowed

00:36:39.800 to come

00:36:40.140 over here.

00:36:41.080 The advance

00:36:41.720 of human

00:36:42.200 civilization

00:36:42.800 was supposed

00:36:43.160 to hit

00:36:43.420 an imaginary

00:36:43.980 force field

00:36:44.560 at the

00:36:45.100 Atlantic

00:36:45.480 and say,

00:36:46.040 whoa,

00:36:46.260 guys,

00:36:47.120 no further.

00:36:51.320 That's

00:36:51.780 apparently

00:36:52.100 what some

00:36:52.540 people think.

00:36:54.120 Because keep

00:36:54.840 in mind,

00:36:55.500 they say

00:36:55.900 that Europeans 0.97

00:36:56.540 were invading

00:36:57.820 as soon as

00:36:59.040 they touched

00:36:59.540 down.

00:37:01.140 This is what

00:37:01.540 these people,

00:37:01.860 they'll say

00:37:02.280 that anywhere

00:37:03.060 the Europeans

00:37:03.780 landed,

00:37:04.280 they were invading.

00:37:05.500 Anywhere

00:37:05.940 over that

00:37:06.440 16 million

00:37:07.520 square mile

00:37:08.600 plot of

00:37:09.540 land,

00:37:11.140 two continents.

00:37:14.880 Apparently,

00:37:15.440 according to

00:37:15.760 these people,

00:37:16.340 the Europeans,

00:37:17.420 it was hands

00:37:18.200 off.

00:37:18.480 You weren't

00:37:18.680 allowed to

00:37:18.980 have any

00:37:19.340 part of

00:37:19.840 either of

00:37:20.400 those continents.

00:37:23.240 So if

00:37:24.160 settlers were 1.00

00:37:25.280 setting up a

00:37:25.920 village in

00:37:26.560 the wilderness

00:37:27.000 and there

00:37:28.840 was an

00:37:29.120 Indian

00:37:29.380 tribe

00:37:30.000 300 miles

00:37:31.980 away,

00:37:32.560 what we're

00:37:34.240 being told

00:37:34.720 is that

00:37:35.020 those settlers

00:37:35.760 were stealing

00:37:36.720 land from

00:37:38.120 that tribe

00:37:38.880 even though

00:37:39.780 they're in

00:37:40.140 a part of

00:37:40.500 the land

00:37:40.760 that it's

00:37:41.120 very possible

00:37:41.780 the Indians

00:37:42.200 have never

00:37:42.700 even been

00:37:43.220 in or

00:37:43.640 even,

00:37:44.420 and certainly

00:37:45.560 were never

00:37:46.100 planning on

00:37:46.860 doing anything

00:37:47.560 with.

00:37:50.060 Let's just

00:37:50.800 look at one

00:37:51.220 example

00:37:51.680 specifically.

00:37:53.080 The Cheyenne,

00:37:54.640 okay,

00:37:55.180 the Cheyenne

00:37:55.900 territory

00:37:57.080 in the 18th

00:37:58.820 century covered

00:37:59.500 about 500,000

00:38:01.160 square miles.

00:38:02.560 Do you know

00:38:03.440 how many

00:38:03.720 Cheyenne

00:38:04.400 existed?

00:38:05.640 About 3,500,

00:38:07.040 maybe 4,000.

00:38:09.000 You're telling

00:38:09.700 me that 4,000

00:38:10.760 people owned

00:38:11.500 500,000

00:38:13.520 square miles

00:38:14.640 of land

00:38:15.140 in the middle

00:38:15.900 of the country?

00:38:16.980 Nobody else

00:38:17.780 was allowed

00:38:18.240 to go there?

00:38:21.440 Like,

00:38:21.960 the entire

00:38:23.060 human race

00:38:23.600 was supposed

00:38:23.920 to leave

00:38:24.280 500,000

00:38:24.920 square miles

00:38:25.400 alone,

00:38:25.740 but they're

00:38:26.180 supposed to

00:38:26.420 cut out

00:38:26.760 this chunk

00:38:27.300 and say,

00:38:27.600 no,

00:38:27.760 no one's

00:38:27.980 allowed to

00:38:28.160 go there.

00:38:28.540 There are

00:38:28.900 a few

00:38:29.180 people living

00:38:29.780 on that land

00:38:30.400 and they're

00:38:31.000 all bunched

00:38:32.080 up in

00:38:33.880 tribes.

00:38:34.800 And so,

00:38:35.780 of that

00:38:36.420 500,000

00:38:37.360 square miles,

00:38:38.720 I'd say

00:38:39.680 about 490,000

00:38:41.580 square miles

00:38:42.140 of it,

00:38:42.720 completely

00:38:43.300 unoccupied.

00:38:44.780 But no

00:38:45.500 one's allowed

00:38:45.840 to go there.

00:38:47.120 It just

00:38:47.700 doesn't make

00:38:48.020 any sense.

00:38:48.900 Now,

00:38:50.000 obviously that

00:38:50.660 doesn't justify

00:38:51.320 the slaughter

00:38:51.980 of Native

00:38:52.420 Americans,

00:38:53.020 it doesn't

00:38:53.360 justify actual

00:38:54.240 atrocities that

00:38:55.020 were committed,

00:38:56.120 but the idea

00:38:57.020 that Natives 1.00

00:38:57.620 owned the

00:38:58.340 entire Western

00:38:58.980 Hemisphere is

00:38:59.680 obviously

00:39:00.360 ludicrous.

00:39:02.700 I mean,

00:39:03.420 how can

00:39:03.940 anyone

00:39:04.380 suggest that?

00:39:07.000 Second point,

00:39:08.440 we talk about

00:39:09.580 Native Americans

00:39:10.400 like they were

00:39:11.320 some sort of

00:39:11.860 homogenous,

00:39:12.860 unified group,

00:39:14.000 but they

00:39:14.440 weren't.

00:39:16.200 And they

00:39:16.800 didn't see

00:39:17.280 themselves that

00:39:17.940 way.

00:39:20.180 And so,

00:39:22.900 to say that

00:39:23.280 we stole land

00:39:24.100 from Native

00:39:25.160 Americans,

00:39:25.820 that sentence

00:39:26.940 doesn't actually

00:39:27.580 make any

00:39:27.960 sense because

00:39:28.660 they were

00:39:30.940 not one

00:39:31.560 big group

00:39:32.300 altogether.

00:39:34.600 These were

00:39:35.320 isolated tribes

00:39:36.240 that warred

00:39:37.220 with each

00:39:37.540 other and

00:39:38.020 killed each

00:39:38.520 other and

00:39:38.880 enslaved each

00:39:39.480 other and

00:39:40.020 stole land

00:39:40.700 from each

00:39:41.060 other.

00:39:44.160 They stole

00:39:45.000 land from

00:39:45.360 each other

00:39:45.660 all the time.

00:39:47.280 So,

00:39:47.920 if the

00:39:48.280 Europeans did

00:39:49.300 steal land,

00:39:50.380 most likely

00:39:51.320 they were

00:39:51.700 stealing land

00:39:52.420 that had

00:39:52.760 already been

00:39:53.720 stolen about

00:39:54.320 50 times

00:39:55.080 before that.

00:39:55.820 Now,

00:39:56.820 that doesn't

00:39:57.120 justify it

00:39:57.780 again,

00:39:58.160 but back

00:39:59.120 in those

00:39:59.500 days,

00:40:00.060 everywhere in

00:40:00.920 the world,

00:40:02.340 this is how

00:40:02.960 it worked.

00:40:03.740 This is how

00:40:04.200 human civilization

00:40:05.220 spread.

00:40:05.980 Not just

00:40:06.420 European

00:40:06.840 civilization,

00:40:07.740 not just

00:40:08.040 white

00:40:08.360 civilization,

00:40:09.400 civilization

00:40:10.100 of any

00:40:11.480 type.

00:40:12.560 This is how

00:40:13.040 it spread,

00:40:14.360 including among

00:40:15.180 Native Americans

00:40:16.380 and indigenous

00:40:16.800 people.

00:40:17.460 This is how

00:40:17.740 it spread by,

00:40:18.960 it was understood

00:40:19.580 that if you

00:40:20.160 had land,

00:40:20.880 you had to

00:40:21.360 defend it.

00:40:22.060 If you can't

00:40:22.580 defend your

00:40:23.020 land,

00:40:23.380 it's going

00:40:23.640 to get taken

00:40:24.020 from you.

00:40:24.460 Most likely

00:40:26.200 3,000 people

00:40:26.920 can't defend

00:40:27.700 500,000 square

00:40:28.700 miles.

00:40:29.260 It's going

00:40:29.480 to get taken

00:40:29.840 from you.

00:40:31.000 That doesn't

00:40:31.980 make it right.

00:40:32.860 That's just

00:40:33.420 how it worked

00:40:34.380 back in those

00:40:35.860 days.

00:40:36.640 Among

00:40:37.020 everybody,

00:40:39.220 that was

00:40:39.740 just how

00:40:41.420 humanity

00:40:42.300 spread.

00:40:44.500 Those were

00:40:45.140 the rules

00:40:45.560 of the road

00:40:46.100 back then

00:40:46.660 that everybody

00:40:48.740 understood and

00:40:49.700 everybody abided

00:40:50.680 by.

00:40:50.920 So,

00:40:52.840 yeah,

00:40:53.000 you could

00:40:53.160 say,

00:40:53.340 well,

00:40:53.420 that doesn't

00:40:53.720 justify what

00:40:54.280 the Europeans

00:40:55.200 did.

00:40:55.680 Fine,

00:40:56.040 but it also

00:40:56.800 means that you

00:40:57.300 can't just

00:40:58.340 hang this

00:40:59.640 thing around

00:41:00.240 their necks.

00:41:02.120 If you're

00:41:02.660 going to blame

00:41:03.100 them for

00:41:03.520 stealing land,

00:41:04.380 you have to

00:41:05.000 blame everybody,

00:41:06.160 including Native

00:41:06.780 Americans,

00:41:07.280 for stealing

00:41:07.600 land.

00:41:08.140 And then once

00:41:08.560 you start

00:41:08.900 doing that,

00:41:09.420 you realize

00:41:09.820 that, okay,

00:41:10.280 well, this

00:41:10.500 whole blame

00:41:10.860 game doesn't

00:41:11.200 make any

00:41:11.480 sense anymore

00:41:12.140 because now

00:41:12.900 we're just

00:41:13.220 castigating all

00:41:14.500 of human

00:41:14.880 civilization up

00:41:15.700 until about

00:41:16.120 100 years

00:41:16.640 ago.

00:41:18.100 But if you're

00:41:18.680 going to be

00:41:18.920 honest and

00:41:19.320 consistent,

00:41:19.740 that's what

00:41:20.040 you have to

00:41:20.340 do.

00:41:20.660 Think about

00:41:21.080 when the

00:41:21.400 Spanish came 0.99

00:41:22.280 to Central

00:41:23.000 America and

00:41:24.340 they overthrew

00:41:24.900 the Aztecs.

00:41:25.660 Okay, the

00:41:25.920 Aztecs were 1.00

00:41:26.480 one of the

00:41:26.800 most barbaric

00:41:27.660 civilizations to

00:41:28.540 ever exist on

00:41:29.180 the face of

00:41:29.540 the earth.

00:41:30.260 They committed

00:41:31.740 human sacrifices,

00:41:33.060 tens of

00:41:33.520 thousands a

00:41:34.160 year, where

00:41:34.940 they took

00:41:35.900 slaves, they 0.74

00:41:36.600 stole people

00:41:37.200 from neighboring

00:41:37.740 lands and

00:41:38.880 tribes, and

00:41:39.900 they brought

00:41:40.200 them up to

00:41:40.520 temple steps

00:41:40.960 and they

00:41:41.220 ripped their

00:41:41.760 hearts out

00:41:42.520 and then cut

00:41:43.240 their limbs

00:41:43.760 off and

00:41:44.300 consumed the

00:41:45.180 limbs and

00:41:45.840 then rolled

00:41:46.660 the bodies

00:41:47.120 down the

00:41:47.440 temple steps.

00:41:47.940 This is what

00:41:48.460 they did to

00:41:49.100 tens of

00:41:49.940 thousands of

00:41:50.380 people.

00:41:50.560 This was a

00:41:51.000 barbaric

00:41:51.600 civilization.

00:41:52.540 Anyway, the

00:41:52.920 Spanish come,

00:41:54.440 they band

00:41:54.920 together with

00:41:55.560 other neighboring

00:41:56.280 tribes who

00:41:56.940 all hated

00:41:57.660 the Aztecs

00:41:58.480 for good

00:41:59.240 reason.

00:42:01.640 When your

00:42:02.660 neighbor next

00:42:04.580 door had his

00:42:05.780 heart ripped

00:42:06.120 out by the

00:42:06.560 Aztecs, you 0.99

00:42:07.100 might be

00:42:09.720 salty towards

00:42:10.560 them.

00:42:10.720 So they

00:42:11.820 banded together,

00:42:12.380 they overthrew

00:42:12.760 the Aztecs.

00:42:13.280 And this

00:42:14.380 is used as

00:42:14.920 an example

00:42:15.360 of, oh,

00:42:15.780 the Spanish

00:42:16.580 stole the

00:42:17.280 Aztec land.

00:42:18.540 Where do

00:42:18.840 you think the

00:42:19.320 Aztecs got 0.96

00:42:20.200 it?

00:42:20.560 They got

00:42:21.120 that land by

00:42:21.700 stealing it.

00:42:22.580 Not only

00:42:22.980 stealing it,

00:42:23.540 but they

00:42:23.740 would steal

00:42:24.260 it and

00:42:24.840 then slaughter

00:42:25.720 you and

00:42:26.680 rip your

00:42:27.080 heart out

00:42:27.560 after they

00:42:27.980 took your

00:42:28.340 land and

00:42:29.580 take slaves.

00:42:32.600 So, again,

00:42:33.900 you could say,

00:42:34.720 well, yeah,

00:42:35.060 they still stole

00:42:35.640 it.

00:42:35.840 Okay, but the

00:42:36.160 Aztecs did 1.00

00:42:36.620 too.

00:42:36.880 So you can't

00:42:37.640 mourn them.

00:42:38.300 They're also

00:42:38.720 thieves that

00:42:39.200 stole land.

00:42:39.620 So we got

00:42:40.160 to trace

00:42:40.500 all the way

00:42:40.840 back.

00:42:41.260 Who was

00:42:41.760 the original

00:42:42.200 person that

00:42:42.800 owned that

00:42:43.140 land?

00:42:44.860 It's like if I

00:42:46.160 stole your

00:42:46.740 car and then

00:42:47.540 someone stole

00:42:48.220 your car from

00:42:49.180 me.

00:42:50.880 Now, we

00:42:51.580 could blame

00:42:52.020 that person

00:42:52.500 for being a

00:42:53.060 thief, but we

00:42:53.520 can't say that

00:42:54.080 I'm the

00:42:54.500 victim.

00:42:55.080 I stole the

00:42:55.660 car.

00:42:56.400 Not only did

00:42:56.800 I steal the

00:42:57.200 car, but I

00:42:57.640 killed you

00:42:58.140 when I

00:42:58.420 stole it.

00:43:02.300 Except in

00:43:02.920 this case,

00:43:03.360 we're talking

00:43:03.740 about a car

00:43:04.340 that's been

00:43:04.760 stolen by

00:43:05.360 like a hundred

00:43:06.080 different people

00:43:06.760 and no one

00:43:07.200 even remembers

00:43:07.800 who the first

00:43:08.300 person was.

00:43:09.620 So that's

00:43:11.480 how I would

00:43:11.800 respond to

00:43:12.400 that argument.

00:43:13.760 That wasn't

00:43:14.100 30 seconds, but

00:43:14.960 that's the

00:43:15.760 answer anyway.

00:43:16.340 All right, I

00:43:16.660 got to leave it

00:43:17.060 there.

00:43:17.600 Thanks for

00:43:17.920 watching,

00:43:18.200 everybody.

00:43:18.380 Thanks for

00:43:18.640 listening.

00:43:19.160 Godspeed.

00:43:26.300 I'm Michael

00:43:26.920 Knowles, host of

00:43:27.520 The Michael

00:43:27.820 Knowles Show.

00:43:28.380 A high school

00:43:28.860 teacher in

00:43:29.360 suburban New

00:43:29.900 York, the only

00:43:30.560 openly right-leaning

00:43:31.620 teacher at his

00:43:32.260 school, has been

00:43:32.880 suspended without

00:43:33.580 pay for showing a

00:43:34.380 Fox News

00:43:34.840 documentary about

00:43:35.680 due process in

00:43:36.560 college.

00:43:37.340 The personal

00:43:37.900 aspect of this

00:43:38.540 story, he

00:43:39.440 was my teacher.

00:43:40.500 We will

00:43:40.780 interview him

00:43:41.440 about the

00:43:42.000 challenges that

00:43:42.580 conservative

00:43:42.960 teachers and

00:43:43.700 students face, plus

00:43:45.040 the mailbag.

00:43:45.600 Check it out at

00:43:46.040 dailywire.com.

00:43:46.780 We'll see you next

00:43:51.320 time.

00:43:52.320 We'll see you next

00:43:53.380 time.

00:43:54.380 We'll see you next

00:43:55.380 time.

The Matt Walsh Show - January 24, 2019

Ep. 183 - It's Time To Excommunicate Pro-Abortion Catholics

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