The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1833 - Do Juries Still Work In Modern America？

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00:00:30.000 If you're starting to wonder if there's maybe something toxic in the water in Massachusetts,

00:00:34.420 if you're beginning to feel the righteous anger of a colonial official in Salem circa 1692,

00:00:40.940 then you should know at the very least that you're not alone. Far from it. Your sentiment is

00:00:45.580 completely justified. It was just a year ago, you may remember, that a majority female jury 0.89

00:00:51.000 in Massachusetts determined that a financial analyst named Karen Reed had somehow been framed

00:00:56.700 for murder by about four or five dozen people, including first responders, forensic investigators,

00:01:02.300 police officers, the medical examiner's office, prosecutors, even friends of her boyfriend who

00:01:07.380 was the victim. The jury was apparently swayed by deranged TikTok theories that appealed

00:01:12.400 overwhelmingly to women looking for some excitement in their lives. It was a very unseemly

00:01:18.300 and disturbing display that played out all over the internet. But if you're the optimistic type,

00:01:22.900 it was easy to write off as a fluke. A rare case where an American jury was led astray by online

00:01:29.720 brain rot on its way to reaching an extremely dubious, not guilty verdict. But as the Lindsay

00:01:35.800 Clancy jury, also in Massachusetts, it just so happens, approaches a week of deliberations

00:01:41.080 without a verdict in the single most straightforward murder case imaginable in a case where any sane

00:01:46.920 juror would immediately return a verdict of guilty for first degree murder, then vote to send the

00:01:51.720 woman to prison for the rest of her life, there's no denying that our jury system is actually

00:01:55.740 compromised at a fundamental level. It's not simply the fact that two majority female juries 1.00

00:02:02.660 in the same state are inclined to legalize premeditated homicide. It's also a very obvious 0.76

00:02:08.340 fact that millions of women all over the country are on board with this. If they were on the jury, 1.00

00:02:13.560 they would do the exact same thing. They would happily subvert the criminal justice system in

00:02:18.400 service of their own narcissism. We're seeing many other cases like this, although most of them

00:02:23.260 don't get much attention. For example, you've probably have not heard the name Heather Cushman.

00:02:28.980 But late last year, Cushman, a 33-year-old Colorado woman, was found not guilty of stabbing her 60-year-old

00:02:35.820 father to death in his home. She stabbed him 15 times after an argument, puncturing both of his

00:02:41.160 lungs, butchering her father, essentially. Cushman claimed self-defense, arguing that she somehow

00:02:46.900 feared for her life as she was carving him up. And, you know, that defense might have been

00:02:52.160 plausible on its face, except for the fact that she texted a friend on the night of the killing

00:02:55.640 saying, and I quote, I effed up really bad. I'm so sorry. There was also evidence that Cushman

00:03:01.440 chased her father throughout the home. She told detectives that, quote, I just felt like an effing

00:03:06.660 animal at that point. I'm pretty sure I bit him. And there was forensic evidence showing that

00:03:13.520 Cushman's injuries, quote, were not consistent with taking the knife from her father. And the

00:03:17.820 more you read, the more it gets worse for her case, or so you would think. This is from the

00:03:23.040 Loveland Reporter Herald, quote, after being arrested, Heather Cushman reportedly told police

00:03:27.840 she and her father got into an argument that escalated into a physical fight before she

00:03:31.560 stabbed him. During witness testimony, Loveland Police Department Sergeant Brad Templeman said

00:03:36.280 391 calls were made by or about Heather Cushman on the night of the incident. He said in the first

00:03:42.440 call, Heather Cushman said she was suicidal and seeking mental health treatment at a hospital.

00:03:47.220 The second was made by Heather Cushman's sister, in which she said Heather Cushman had stabbed

00:03:51.960 her father. The third was another call made by Heather Cushman where she said she had stabbed

00:03:56.620 her father. Now, at the risk of understatement, none of this is remotely consistent with a claim

00:04:00.780 of self-defense. She was obviously an unstable, violent woman who needed to be institutionalized, 0.98

00:04:05.900 but the jury voted to acquit her anyway. She's free to walk the streets, walk next to you in

00:04:11.220 grocery store sit next to you on the bus as if she's done nothing wrong this was a case that did 0.93

00:04:17.700 not cause tick tock hysteria at anywhere near the same degree as the clancy trial it wasn't 1.00

00:04:22.360 everywhere on social media nevertheless the jury decided to let a woman get away with killing

00:04:26.220 someone in a decision so terrible that it basically amounted to jury nullification

00:04:31.220 cushman claimed that her father had abused her when she was a child without actually proving it

00:04:35.160 but the jury didn't need any proof you see once a woman claims she has no choice except to kill 0.54

00:04:40.220 someone, that's all that's necessary at this point. In states like Massachusetts, it's a get

00:04:45.000 out of jail free card. Now, what's so extraordinary about decisions like these, aside from how common

00:04:49.700 they become, is that not too long ago, we actually had real standards for juries. We didn't simply

00:04:56.020 select people at random. I'm going to read the text of a law that was enacted by the state of

00:05:00.800 Alabama in the early 20th century, and it was fully enforced through 1970. The law stated

00:05:06.280 that all jurors must be, quote, generally reputed to be honest and intelligent and esteemed in the

00:05:12.260 community for their integrity, good character and sound judgment. Commissioners had wide latitude

00:05:17.840 to reject jurors who didn't seem to be particularly bright. If you wanted to sit on a jury, you

00:05:24.080 generally had to have people vouch for you, maybe your co-workers or your church. You had to be a

00:05:28.760 serious person, somebody with a reputation. Someone doesn't just sit around on the couch all day with

00:05:33.220 a glass of wine, scrolling TikTok. You all just, you know, you also had to be a man to serve on the

00:05:38.040 jury on the really crazy theory that women can sometimes tend to be guided more by emotion than

00:05:44.020 by sober analysis of the facts. A crazy theory that incidentally is now being endorsed in a much

00:05:49.200 more extreme form by everybody who supports Lindsay Clancy, as well as the entire feminist

00:05:53.660 movement, who all claim that women are not only hormonal and emotional, but so lacking in self

00:05:57.960 control that they can't be held responsible for murdering their children. So in other words, 0.50

00:06:03.040 the idea that juries should reflect a cross-section of the community is actually very new.

00:06:08.880 Up until the late 1960s and early 1970s, getting on a jury was more of a privilege

00:06:13.500 than an obligation or a right. Not incidentally, for a large portion of our country's history,

00:06:19.440 voting was viewed the same way. As a country, we wanted to make sure that

00:06:22.880 before we sent somebody to prison for the rest of their lives, knowledgeable, reliable,

00:06:28.040 intelligent people had reviewed all the facts. This is how juries worked for centuries in our

00:06:33.960 common law tradition, ever since the Magna Carta was signed in the 13th century, stating that men

00:06:39.640 should be judged by a jury of their peers. And in that context, peers meant members of comparable

00:06:46.400 status to your own, meaning that if you were a typical landowner, you weren't going to be judged

00:06:51.880 by criminals or people who didn't own property or women. Jurors who were familiar with the law

00:06:58.100 were actually preferred, which is the exact opposite of how we do things today. The idea

00:07:02.940 that juries should be representative of the population was never even considered. In the

00:07:08.120 1800s, England's juries were so selective that they excluded two-thirds of all adult men from

00:07:14.340 the jury pool. Any man who didn't pay taxes or own land wasn't even considered, and juries remained

00:07:20.280 like this throughout England and the United States until the arrival of the one-two punch 0.60

00:07:25.520 of civil rights and feminism. Now, once the revolution began, very quickly juries changed.

00:07:31.980 The Supreme Court determined that laws like the one in Alabama, which required that juries be

00:07:35.740 intelligent and have good reputations, had a disproportionate impact on black people, 0.97

00:07:40.660 they decided, as the laws were being applied anyway. And therefore, simply because of this 0.98

00:07:45.040 statistical imbalance, the state was required to change the way that they selected members of the

00:07:50.100 jury. The law regarding jury selection remains on the books, but they're not allowed to enforce it

00:07:55.760 in a way that eliminates diversity. So effectively, the law, you know, is neutralized. And around the

00:08:01.400 same time, courts also mandated that women should be allowed to serve on the juries on the theory 1.00

00:08:05.540 that there are no relevant differences between the genders when it comes to the way that they 0.99

00:08:10.120 reason, deliberate, and assess the facts. So in the span of just a few years, the American jury

00:08:15.260 system was totally overhauled, mostly through judicial rulings and bureaucracy rather than,

00:08:19.320 you know, something we voted on. We entered into very uncharted territory where, for the first

00:08:24.840 time in human history, jurors didn't have to be men or intelligent or reputable or knowledgeable

00:08:31.080 about the law or knowledgeable about anything. All this to say, the jury system we had throughout

00:08:37.100 all of human history until about 15 minutes ago might as well have been designed on a different

00:08:41.560 planet. One by one, in the name of progress, we dismantled every single aspect of the jury system

00:08:48.100 that our ancestors thought was important. After all, what did they know? All they did was build

00:08:54.820 civilization. So the only thing we've kept intact is the general concept of a jury that decides

00:09:00.660 cases instead of a judge. We've preserved the notion that juries are a good idea while also

00:09:05.840 gutting all of the qualifications that members of the jury need to have. Now, of course,

00:09:13.460 of our ancestors, including like the king who signed the Magna Carta or the lawmakers in Alabama

00:09:18.620 could have envisioned what America would look like in 2026, the idea of a jury wouldn't have

00:09:25.180 even occurred to them. It would have been too absurd, even with all the qualifications they

00:09:29.140 had in mind. Juries make sense when you have a relatively homogenous population, one that is 0.95

00:09:35.640 not fractured by racial, economic, religious, and ethnic tribalism. And even then, once you've

00:09:41.840 established a coherent society and set all sorts of requirements to serve on a jury, it could still

00:09:47.540 be a difficult balancing act. I mean, towards the end of the Republic, the Romans, who banned

00:09:51.540 poor people and women from juries, constantly changed the jury system to account for the

00:09:56.160 prejudices of senators, governors, and property owners, all of whom at various points were seated 0.99

00:10:00.460 on juries. And this isn't even getting into the problem of mass psychosis fueled by constant access

00:10:05.460 to the internet and media coverage. You have to keep in mind that juries only seemed like a good

00:10:10.220 idea before all of these developments. Today, though, it's abundantly clear that our experiment

00:10:15.520 with jury trials in a so-called diverse society is rapidly failing. And we've talked before about 0.99

00:10:23.460 the various studies showing that black jurors are overwhelmingly more likely to vote in favor of

00:10:28.200 black defendants. We don't need to rehash all the studies again, although we'll put some of the data

00:10:32.280 up on the screen in case you missed it. But really, we don't need the studies because we can look

00:10:36.380 around. We can observe what's happening in trials all over the country and how various demographic

00:10:40.180 groups rally behind defendants that they can identify with. And we can also see how easily

00:10:46.080 jurors are swayed by the threat of mob violence, which was very obvious in the trial of Derek

00:10:50.260 Chauvin in particular. We can observe incidents like this one from yesterday afternoon when a

00:10:54.860 56-year-old woman was arrested for allegedly filming the Clancy jury outside the courthouse

00:11:00.840 shortly after deliberations ended for the day.

00:11:03.800 Watch.

00:11:04.800 Breaking tonight, Sean,

00:11:06.340 the Massachusetts State Police confirms to Fox

00:11:09.160 that a 56-year-old was arrested

00:11:11.480 after court was dismissed today

00:11:15.040 here at the courthouse

00:11:16.480 for witness juror intimidation

00:11:19.520 or intimidating someone in connection

00:11:21.680 with a criminal proceeding.

00:11:23.840 It is possible that either side could ask

00:11:26.280 for a mistrial over this.

00:11:27.920 We'll have more details tomorrow.

00:11:29.480 that person expected to be arraigned here in the morning.

00:11:32.680 This is yet another reason why the jury should have been sequestered

00:11:35.680 from the beginning of the trial, as we talked about yesterday. 1.00

00:11:38.340 They've seen the mobs of crazy women in pink outside the courthouse. 0.67

00:11:41.540 They've been exposed to endless slop on TikTok. 0.99

00:11:44.920 And now they're getting harassed fairly directly by the lunatics 0.88

00:11:48.300 who have made this case a part of their identity.

00:11:51.240 The alleged culprit here is apparently a Lindsay Clancy fan,

00:11:54.240 big surprise, who says that she was trying to take a picture of her hero,

00:11:57.620 Lindsay Clancy.

00:11:58.120 She ended up filming jury members by mistake, supposedly. 0.94

00:12:01.900 But whatever her motives actually were, the fact is that brain-rotted weirdos like this are everywhere, corrupting our justice system.

00:12:09.620 Locking the jury in a hotel room doesn't solve all those problems, but it could certainly have helped if they didn't do that.

00:12:15.420 The bigger issue, though, is that juries are much easier to intimidate as a general matter and influence than judges.

00:12:23.040 And intuitively, we all know that's true.

00:12:24.480 the jurors mostly just want to get back to their families without their community burning down,

00:12:29.220 which makes sense. They're not used to people following them around or attempting to intimidate

00:12:33.540 them. Judges see this kind of thing much more often. Typically, judges hopefully aren't spending

00:12:38.620 all day on TikTok, although I'm sure some of them do. And they usually have security to protect

00:12:43.960 them, at least at the courthouse. So to give just one historical example on this point,

00:12:49.720 think of the troubles in Northern Ireland from the late 60s through the 90s.

00:12:53.740 At the height of the conflict, hundreds of people, mainly civilians, were dying every year in shootings and bombings and assassinations.

00:13:01.420 It was difficult to find a jury to handle these cases because the jurors feared retribution.

00:13:06.120 So they passed a law giving judges the ability to try terrorism-related cases without a jury.

00:13:11.160 And it worked pretty well for decades.

00:13:13.160 It was much more efficient and reliable than trying to find an impartial and unafraid jury, which was often impossible.

00:13:21.100 Now, does this mean judges are infallible? Of course not.

00:13:23.740 We've talked about plenty of corrupt judges on this show.

00:13:26.720 In fact, just a few weeks ago, we covered the story of Precious Bland who drowned her 15-month-old daughter before stabbing her husband.

00:13:33.760 The defense came up with a ludicrous theory that COVID somehow made her do it, and therefore she shouldn't spend a day in prison.

00:13:39.560 And guess what? A judge in Miami-Dade County agreed with the defense.

00:13:42.760 For killing her child and attempting to kill her husband, this woman received no sentence whatsoever.

00:13:48.180 Doesn't even need to go to a mental institution or anything.

00:13:51.500 So judges are far from perfect, which is an understatement.

00:13:54.520 Indeed, a lot of what has corrupted juries has also corrupted judges.

00:13:58.700 Namely, that judges are increasingly selected based on diversity and not on their abilities and intellect and capacity for making rational decisions.

00:14:07.660 And yet juries can have these problems in even greater abundance.

00:14:11.320 That's how big the problem is now.

00:14:13.260 Several countries have abolished jury trials entirely for this reason, which isn't what I would suggest at this stage,

00:14:18.880 but it's instructive to look at their example and what we can learn from it. So consider what

00:14:22.620 Lee Kuan Yew did when he was a prime minister of Singapore. As of 1970 or so, Singapore eliminated

00:14:29.660 jury trials and switched to bench trials where a judge decides the case. Lee was motivated in

00:14:34.980 large part by his own experience as a lawyer doing jury trials when he realized that in order to be

00:14:39.260 effective, he had to play to the jury's prejudices. So when he took office in multiracial, multireligious 0.95

00:14:47.400 society with a lot of Chinese and Indian people. He simply got rid of juries entirely. Unlike 1.00

00:14:54.040 juries, judges could not simply return a verdict of guilty or not guilty and go about their day.

00:14:58.120 They had to justify their decision in a thorough, usually written opinion that cited precedent,

00:15:04.020 explained all the reasoning. Judges had to reach their decisions promptly, which wasn't terribly

00:15:09.380 difficult since they didn't have to deliberate with anybody. And no matter what the judge's

00:15:13.120 ultimate decision was guilty or not guilty was open to appeal to a higher court. So unlike in

00:15:17.540 America where a not guilty verdict means that the defendant has nothing to worry about, the system

00:15:21.640 in Singapore allows for the possibility of convicting the defendant on appeal. This is how

00:15:25.840 they avoid the OJ Simpson problem or the Lindsay Clancy Karen Reed problem. If there's an insane 0.57

00:15:31.140 miscarriage of justice in Singapore, the prosecutors are allowed to appeal it. Now, this system has

00:15:36.660 worked extremely well by every metric. Criminal cases are resolved much more quickly than ever

00:15:40.400 before. There's no need for jury selection. The lawyers don't have to explain any legal concepts

00:15:45.380 to the jury. There are no deliberations. There's no risk of a hung jury. There's no risk of the

00:15:50.340 triads intimidating the juries and so on. And there's also no risk of a jury getting squeamish

00:15:55.820 about sending a defendant to the death chamber, which is where you go in Singapore when you commit

00:15:59.300 a serious drug crime. And the results have been positive, in part because they abolished the jury

00:16:05.720 system while also enforcing zero tolerance laws, Singapore now has one of the lowest crime rates

00:16:10.460 anywhere in the world. They have something like 0.1 homicides per 100,000 people compared to the

00:16:15.220 global average of seven homicides per 100,000 or the U.S. average of six. Back in the 1960s,

00:16:21.960 it was a very different story. Gangs operated with impunity and now law and order have been

00:16:26.320 restored. And that's why to this day, jury trials remain abolished in Singapore. They recognize that

00:16:33.280 Lee Kuan Yew was on to something. He succeeded because he didn't back down in the face of all

00:16:37.740 the Western NGOs and media outlets who accused him of humanitarian abuses or implied that he

00:16:42.120 was an authoritarian. Here's how he had handled aggressive, inane questions from Western journalists.

00:16:48.920 Watch. Now, you also have one of the highest rates of capital punishment. Yes, that's for drugs.

00:16:54.920 That's for drugs. Because you think drugs deserve to be treated with the maximum punishment.

00:17:02.780 If we could kill them a hundred times, we would, because you'd destroy the whole families. 0.99

00:17:09.100 It's terrifying to see, because you're then drug dependent. 1.00

00:17:14.680 You steal, you cheat, you rob your own parents.

00:17:19.540 I mean, it's soul-destroying.

00:17:22.620 And they come in knowing that death, if they are found with these goods on them,

00:17:30.340 but the rewards are so great.

00:17:32.320 And they try very, very unusual people, women from Africa, big mammoths come to sell clothes.

00:17:41.160 And in between the clothes are kilos of heroin.

00:17:45.760 And if you say, if you bring heroin into Singapore, you hang. 0.99

00:17:48.840 You hang. 1.00

00:17:49.380 You hang. 0.59

00:17:50.980 Anything beyond 10 grams, you hang.

00:17:53.840 Below 10 grams, maybe you can say.

00:17:55.520 If you are convicted of bringing in more than 10 grams of heroin, you hang.

00:17:58.880 You hang. 0.54

00:17:59.480 That's right. 0.52

00:17:59.960 After a jury trial.

00:18:01.000 Yes, of course.

00:18:02.320 No, no jury trial. Judge. Judge. Judge listens to the evidence presented.

00:18:06.360 Yes, of course. And if he says you're guilty, you hang. You hang. 0.93

00:18:10.860 That's the attitude you need to adopt if you're going to have a functioning society where a relatively small number of criminals cannot destroy the fundamental rights of everybody else.

00:18:20.240 He's unapologetic. He says, yeah, I'd kill heroin traffickers 100 times over because they cause extraordinary damage to the country. 0.84

00:18:27.580 They get a speedy trial in front of a judge and they get put to death. 1.00

00:18:32.320 That's how it works. Other countries like India, for example, have followed suit.

00:18:36.760 Although, again, the example only goes so far where we're concerned because our judge pool, like our jury pool, is also corrupted.

00:18:43.240 But the problems with juries are still undeniable and we have to face them.

00:18:47.440 As John Doyle put it, quote, it would be terrifying to be on trial and have your fate decided by a dozen people randomly selected from the American population.

00:18:55.380 Imagine delegating justice to the kind of person you'd bump into at an airport.

00:18:59.520 I'd literally rather just flip a coin. 1.00

00:19:01.540 Lindsay Clancy is, in a way, lucky since she, as an insane and deeply narcissistic woman, 0.99

00:19:06.040 seems to truly have a jury of her peers.

00:19:09.960 Is there anyone who can seriously disagree with that?

00:19:12.940 A jury from the 1950s would look absolutely nothing like a jury from today.

00:19:16.540 They'd be far more intelligent, engaged, and well-informed.

00:19:20.120 Anyone who has to face a jury today, particularly when the mob takes an interest in the case,

00:19:24.620 is not going to get a fair trial one way or another.

00:19:28.960 And that might benefit them if they're guilty, but it doesn't benefit society.

00:19:36.520 You know, it's simply impossible to randomly select impartial people out of the general population in high-profile cases and even in many low-profile cases also.

00:19:48.520 I mean, at this point, the whole concept of a fair trial rests on make-believe.

00:19:53.900 people are being told to trust the process when the process is clearly overwhelmingly corrupt

00:19:58.580 and broken. And meanwhile, every adult in the country under the age of 95 uses a smartphone

00:20:04.320 and social media and is plugged into every news story and controversy happening in the country

00:20:09.760 every day. Jury trials are built on the assumption that juries will be, among other things,

00:20:15.760 impartial, like they won't come into the trial with an opinion already decided.

00:20:21.480 And 200 years ago, that was a perfectly reasonable expectation.

00:20:24.680 But today, in the case of a high-profile trial like Lindsey Clancy or Derek Chauvin,

00:20:29.120 it's preposterous to believe that an average person pulled at random

00:20:32.580 won't already have an opinion on the subject.

00:20:36.780 Even back during the OJ trial, it was a fantasy.

00:20:39.580 We all knew it was a fantasy.

00:20:41.280 That the jurors didn't already have opinions about the murder and about OJ Simpson himself,

00:20:46.400 even leaving aside the racial tribalism aspect.

00:20:49.620 Modern media had already rendered the impartiality of the juries obsolete.

00:20:54.320 That was 30 years ago.

00:20:56.080 And the situation is a thousand times worse now.

00:20:59.480 The fact of the matter is that every member of the jury, in the case especially of high-profile and contentious cases,

00:21:07.740 is definitely sitting down for the trial, aware of the case, aware of their own opinions about it,

00:21:14.260 and crucially, aware of public opinion about it.

00:21:17.580 If they use social media, which everybody does, they will already know all of that. And we all know that they know it. And in particular, when you're pulling, not only to have social media, but you're pulling from a local, you know, as big as a Lindsay Clancy case is now nationally, it's even bigger locally.

00:21:38.820 So we're supposed to believe that the people sitting down in the jury didn't already have opinions about it.

00:21:43.820 It's absurd.

00:21:46.640 And we're supposed to pretend that juries are impartial anyway, but it's a fantasy.

00:21:50.500 It's a farce.

00:21:52.540 You know, the only way to compensate for the fact that juries definitely aren't going into these cases,

00:21:56.920 at least the high-profile ones, impartially,

00:21:59.480 is to ensure that juries are made up of intelligent and responsible people

00:22:04.160 who can be trusted to overcome their own partiality.

00:22:08.140 but we don't do anything to ensure that.

00:22:12.800 When this goes on long enough,

00:22:14.540 it erodes all confidence in the rule of law.

00:22:18.020 No one will take the court seriously anymore,

00:22:19.940 and in the long run, that's a fatal problem for any country.

00:22:23.900 A country without courts inevitably becomes barbaric.

00:22:27.740 Disputes are settled with violence,

00:22:29.300 and the people who commit the violence aren't punished.

00:22:32.740 As long as they have the support of the mob,

00:22:34.380 they can do whatever they want.

00:22:35.820 The bigger issue, the one that goes beyond the criminal justice system, is that a large portion of the population, whether they serve on juries or not, is divorced from reality.

00:22:44.980 They have no respect for our laws or customs or basic observable facts. Their brains are controlled by algorithms feeding them schizophrenic nonsense.

00:22:54.020 We've had decades of mass migration. People coming to this country have no respect for the traditions or any tie to it anyway. 1.00

00:23:00.380 we have even more than a justice problem, we have a democracy problem. Like jury trials,

00:23:09.500 our democracy, or more accurately, our republic, has its roots in a very different,

00:23:14.360 now unrecognizable period in history. The founders recognized that democracy was prone

00:23:19.580 to these kinds of problems, which is why senators were appointed and why we have the Electoral

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00:25:53.620 Now, if there's any solution to the jury problem, it's the same as a solution to our voting problem.

00:25:58.440 It's a solution that will almost certainly never be enacted, but it would be this.

00:26:05.160 Don't abolish juries or abolish voting.

00:26:07.540 instead put more standards in place, or restore some of the standards that had been in place

00:26:13.220 before they were all foolishly torn down. Treat both of these things, serving on a jury, voting,

00:26:20.380 as privileges reserved for competent, responsible, intelligent Americans. Stop pretending that

00:26:29.500 somehow competence, responsibility, and intelligence are irrelevant to these functions.

00:26:35.060 That is the fiction that we've been laboring under in this country for decades now. That being responsible and intelligent should have no bearing on whether you get to vote, whether you get to serve on a jury. That's insane. It's completely insane.

00:26:52.620 Of course, these factors are very relevant. Of course, it is absolutely disastrous for our country, catastrophic in every respect, to have stupid, irresponsible, incompetent people deciding murder cases and deciding who gets to run the country. 1.00

00:27:08.520 And nobody can claim that opening these things up to everybody with no standards at all is somehow the more American, the more traditional, the more constitutional approach. It isn't. 1.00

00:27:18.100 As we've already established, the founders of this country believe that there should be standards.

00:27:23.600 Modern Americans abolish the standards.

00:27:27.300 You know, we could talk about, should there be different standards? Should we adjust it?

00:27:30.800 There should still be standards.

00:27:33.620 So the idea there should be none is a modern invention, not a traditional one.

00:27:38.960 Right now, the only qualifications for serving on a jury are merely that you're 18 years old,

00:27:45.420 you're a citizen, supposedly, you're a resident of the state where you're serving, and you can at

00:27:50.440 least vaguely understand English in both written and spoken form, generally. And beyond that,

00:27:57.040 some states have varying rules related to felons, I think. In some places, you know, being a felon

00:28:01.260 disqualifies you permanently. In other places, it only keeps you off juries for a set number of

00:28:04.500 years. But there's no state that requires a prospective jury member to be a taxpayer or to

00:28:11.200 be employed or that they have an IQ above 70 or that they're contributing respected members of

00:28:17.520 their communities in good standing or anything like that. All of those are very basic and

00:28:24.660 reasonable qualifications. I mean, think of it this way. If you were on trial and were actually

00:28:29.240 innocent, you would want your jury to be comprised of intelligent, respectable, rational,

00:28:37.500 responsible adults. If you were on trial and you were guilty, you would want your jury to be

00:28:45.120 comprised of irrational, gullible morons. The dumber, the better. In other words, you'd want 1.00

00:28:54.020 precisely the kind of jury that our system intentionally provides everyone. But it's not

00:29:00.420 an oversimplification to say that a functional jury system would seek to assemble the kinds of

00:29:05.740 juries that the not guilty would want and the guilty would not want. We have the opposite

00:29:13.940 because we don't have a functional system. We have a declining dysfunctional system to match a

00:29:19.040 declining dysfunctional society. The Clancy trial, which has been described as the OJ trial for white

00:29:26.300 women or more dismissively as the HoJ Simpson trial, is simply the most visible sign of this

00:29:32.580 decline at the moment. It's a symptom of a larger cancer, which is being amplified by social media.

00:29:38.440 The dumbest and most narcissistic, vindictive people are more empowered than they've ever been. 1.00

00:29:43.760 They can easily connect with other narcissistic, vindictive people, and 1.00

00:29:47.260 the results are impossible to ignore. Yesterday, we talked about the deranged woman who was shot

00:29:54.660 in Times Square after she charged at police with a knife. And this is a woman who, using the logic

00:30:01.180 of the Lindsay Clancy supporters, simply can't be held responsible for her actions. After all,

00:30:04.900 her hormones were probably out of whack. Certainly something was out of whack. So we can't possibly

00:30:11.520 hold her responsible for killing a random woman on the street. Women, as we discussed, are now 1.00

00:30:16.500 immune from responsibility for their behavior. In other words, feminists have now adopted the 1.00

00:30:20.220 talking points of the anti-suffrage movement. But there was a part of the story we didn't spend

00:30:25.640 much time on, which is how leftists are gloating about the death of the white woman, a Bank of 0.85

00:30:30.180 America employee who was killed by this lunatic before the lunatic was put down by police. 0.85

00:30:37.400 Now, by all accounts, the white woman who was murdered did everything right in life. She went 0.97

00:30:41.000 to law school. She got a highly competitive job in finance. She was not a high-ranking executive

00:30:46.120 yet, although she had the title of VP, apparently a common thing in banks where thousands of

00:30:50.800 employees have that title. She was basically a middle manager. She had just gotten back to work

00:30:54.840 from maternity leave. She had a very promising future. And in an instant, she was stabbed to

00:30:59.380 death, without any provocation, by a schizophrenic from the third world. And yet if you go on X or 0.98

00:31:05.940 Blue Sky, you'll find posts like this one, which has thousands of likes, quote, I'd feel bad, but

00:31:11.480 then I'll be charged overdraft fees. You see, it's clever because the bank doesn't let you have free

00:31:17.040 money. Therefore, it's good when random bank employees are gutted in the streets. You know,

00:31:23.120 if you spend more money than you actually have in your account, you get charged a fee.

00:31:27.460 Ooh, what an outrage.

00:31:31.260 No, if you don't have money, the bank should just give you more money, is apparently what 1.00

00:31:34.740 these morons think. 1.00

00:31:37.340 Yeah, I only have $50 in my checking account. 1.00

00:31:39.120 I want to spend $75, right?

00:31:41.960 So the bank should just give me.

00:31:43.520 They should spot me the $25 with no fee.

00:31:48.140 This is something that's become extremely hard to ignore, especially after Charlie Kirk's

00:31:51.400 assassination.

00:31:52.440 Every few weeks, we see leftists openly cheering for the murder of anyone who makes them feel

00:31:56.400 insecure about their own failed lives. Here's another post from Blue Sky to give you an idea.

00:32:02.440 Somebody writes, I actually don't think this person was evil and deserved to be stabbed to death.

00:32:06.320 And the reply, then you're a person who hates the poor and does not value life. 0.64

00:32:11.820 And then for good measure, the original poster is accused of being violent

00:32:15.600 because he doesn't want Bank of America employees to get slaughtered in the street. 0.91

00:32:20.160 In other words, according to socialists, anyone who doesn't want to murder white

00:32:23.120 bank employees is the violent one. And by the way, even the people who are criticizing these posts

00:32:29.400 are, you know, in their own way, are validating the point of view. So here's one example of what

00:32:34.360 I'm talking about. This is a very, very common reaction I saw. Somebody writes, quote, y'all are

00:32:38.900 discussing in the comments, a Bank of America VP is like a mid-level manager, not a next in line

00:32:43.020 to be CEO. This one was just 32 going about our business, going home from work, probably only

00:32:47.340 making 100 to 150k a year. Really effing despicable celebrating this. So the implication is that if

00:32:54.840 she had made more money, say a million dollars a year, then it would have been justified to mow

00:32:59.640 her down in the street. Past a certain income, which remains unspecified, it's totally okay for

00:33:06.100 a leftist freak to execute you in broad daylight. This is very dark, of course, almost unimaginably

00:33:12.800 so. Not too long ago, nobody would say anything like this in public. You could listen to any

00:33:17.880 shock jock in the country and they wouldn't stoop to celebrating the brutal execution of a young

00:33:22.200 mother for no reason whatsoever. Nor would they justify killing people once they make a certain

00:33:29.200 income. But now it's commonplace. The most degenerate and evil people in society with

00:33:34.840 the help of social media have banded together and formed a political movement. They have real power.

00:33:42.240 They aren't simply compromising juries, they're winning elections.

00:33:46.620 It's yet more proof for the theory that over time, democracies tend to collapse precisely because they award so much power to so many people who are clearly unfit to wield it.

00:33:58.040 These are people who see a dead mother and brag about it.

00:34:01.380 They look at photographs of three dead children and they see their killer as the victim.

00:34:06.940 And increasingly, they're running our courts, they're running our major cities. 0.77

00:34:09.920 And unless we find some way to get a handle on this, these demons will systematically destroy everything that their enemies, mainly competent white people, have built.

00:34:20.500 The real story is not that the Lindsay Clancy jury is deadlocked because a certain portion of them apparently believe that it's sometimes okay for a mother to kill her children. 0.98

00:34:29.160 The real story is that we're foolish enough as a country to allow people like that to sit on a jury in the first place.

00:34:39.920 that'll do for the show today thanks for watching thanks for listening talk to you tomorrow

00:34:44.280 have a great day godspeed

00:34:46.540 in all of my years of public life i have never profited from public service i welcome this kind

00:35:00.720 of examination because people have got to know whether or not their president's a crook well i'm

00:35:05.900 not a crook. For more than five decades, from Iran-Contra to Monica Lewinsky to

00:35:10.340 Russiagate, every political scandal has been measured against one, the Watergate

00:35:14.660 affair. But what if Richard Nixon was telling the truth? What if Watergate

00:35:19.280 isn't what it seems? What if hundreds of thousands of pages of sworn

00:35:23.240 testimony, memoirs, and newly released government documents tell a different

00:35:27.500 story than the one you learned in school? In 1972, Nixon won the biggest electoral

00:35:33.560 landslide in modern American history with grand plans to remake the federal government.

00:35:38.600 Two years later, he was out of office. You were taught that Nixon's men broke into the

00:35:43.320 Democratic National Committee headquarters to spy on his political opponents. You were taught that

00:35:48.280 when he found out, Nixon covered it up, and that the cover-up was worse than the crime.

00:35:54.360 You were taught that two heroic Washington Post reporters, guided by a righteous FBI whistleblower,

00:36:00.760 brought the most powerful man in the world to justice but you were never told what really happened

00:36:06.120 i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow the real history of the water

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The Matt Walsh Show - September 02, 2026

Ep. 1833 - Do Juries Still Work In Modern America？

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