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The Matt Walsh Show
- January 29, 2019
Ep. 186 - You Can't Have A Real Education Without The Bible
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Today on the Matt Wall Show, Donald Trump endorses the idea of Bible literacy classes in public
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school. The left and the media obviously are upset about that, but Trump is absolutely right. You
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can't have a real education without the Bible, and we'll talk about why. Also, the Kamala Harris
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sex scandal that nobody cares about. And finally, CNBC claims that having kids will make you go
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broke, which is absurd, and we'll talk about why today on the Matt Wall Show.
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Well, President Trump caused a bit of a controversy yesterday, kind of a change of
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pace for him, of course. There was deep concern on the left and among the media because he lent
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his endorsement to the idea of Bible literacy classes. So in a tweet yesterday, he said,
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numerous states introducing Bible literacy classes, giving students the option of studying
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the Bible. Starting to make a turn back? Great. Now, I'm not sure what, starting to make a turn
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back. I guess he meant turn back to the time when we studied the Bible. Either way, I agree. It is
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great. So the laws that he's talking about, which the media tells us are controversial,
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these laws, which are being advanced in a few states, including Kentucky is one of them, a few
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other states. They would introduce elective Bible classes in school. Kids, that's elective means
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you choose. You elect. You don't have to take it. You could take it if you wanted to.
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And the classes would teach the Bible in terms of history and literature. So obviously, students are
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not going to be required to affirm any of the doctrines in the Bible or to affirm its infallibility,
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nor would they be taught or forced to adopt, accept any of the moral prescriptions in the Bible or any
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of the—or will they have to accept any of the supernatural claims in the Bible? So that's—in a
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public school setting, that's obviously not how the Bible is going to be taught. And I think we all
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agree that it should not be taught that way. And Christians, most of all, I think, would not want the
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Bible taught that way in a public school setting, and I'll get more to that a little bit later on.
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But the Bible would be presented as a literary work, and its historical context and its impact
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on history would be examined. That's the idea. Now, why is this a controversial idea? Well, there's—for
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no good reason. The reason why it's a controversial idea is that we live in a very, very stupid
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culture, filled with nincompoops who think that where it says in the First Amendment, Congress shall
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make no law respecting an establishment of religion, they think that means that schools have to ignore
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the very existence of religion. They think actually—they think that every public institution, every public
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person, anyone in the public square, everyone has to ignore the existence of religion, and the public
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square has to exist as if religion does not exist. And that's what they think that phrase in the—or that
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clause in the First Amendment means. But that's not what it means. Congress shall make no law respecting
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an establishment of religion. What that means is—and there's no way for me to really explain what it
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means without just repeating it—but what it means is that Congress, which is a legislative body,
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cannot write a piece of legislation, which would then become law, which would force anyone to
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accept any particular religion. So that's what it means. Congress cannot make a law forcing you to
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accept or adopt any religion. That's what the First Amendment is trying to tell us.
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That's got nothing at all to do with teaching the Bible in public school. Because you teach the Bible
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in public school, first of all, that's not Congress. Second, there's no law being passed.
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Third, no one is being forced to accept any religion whatsoever. So it's got nothing to do with what
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the First Amendment says. And the thing is, you can't really have a well-rounded education
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if it's divorced entirely from the Bible. It's just not possible. It really is impossible to have
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a well-rounded—a real and well-rounded education in America if you're just going to ignore the
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existence of the Bible. You can't do it. Because no matter what you believe or what God, if any,
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you worship, the simple fact is this, that the Bible is the most influential, important book ever
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composed. It is the most translated, the best-selling, the most widely read, the most quoted, the most
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debated, the most cherished, the most loved, the most hated, the most debated over—I already said
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that one—it is the most everything, basically, is this book. This book, more than any other book
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that's ever been written or composed or compiled, has molded the world in which we live, especially in
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the West. So if you rip it out of education, you are going to leave a Bible-shaped hole behind,
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which cannot really be plugged in with anything. So just to break it down a little bit,
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you cannot begin to appreciate the works of, say, Shakespeare or Tolstoy or Dostoevsky or
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Dickens or Dante or pretty much any Faulkner. I mean, any great novel or play or poem that's been
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written in the West any time between, like, the 1st and 20th centuries, if you want to appreciate
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them and fully understand what they're saying and what they're doing, you have to know something
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about the Bible. I mean, the idea that we could teach kids about Shakespeare without them
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understanding the biblical themes that are dripping all over Shakespeare's works, it's just—it's
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impossible. You would be hard-pressed to think of a great piece of writing that was written
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from about the year 90 to maybe the year 1900 that was not, to some degree, influenced by Old
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or New Testament texts. And obviously, the New Testament didn't exist in the year 90, so that's
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what I'm saying. Old or New Testament texts, pretty much any great piece of writing, it would
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be very difficult to find one that is not in some way influenced. And a lot of it was heavily
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influenced by the Bible. You're going to have also a difficult time comprehending or appreciating
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Renaissance art. I mean, I don't see how you could take Renaissance art out of schools. Obviously,
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kids are going to learn about that. How are you supposed to know anything about that if you—all
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of it depicts biblical scenes. So how could you possibly teach that without teaching them about
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the Bible stories that they depict? So what are you going to do? You're going to show them an image
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of the Sistine, the painting on the ceiling of Sistine Chapel, and say, yeah, it's just that,
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you know, those are just—nobody knows what that is. Those are just random, you know,
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people flying around, no one we don't really know, you know? You'll have to go home and ask
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your parents what that's all about, but we're just going to show you that's what it is, right?
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Just doesn't make any sense. You know, Western philosophy, the Enlightenment, the Reformation,
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all of these—the abolition of slavery—all of these historical events, again, are dripping
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with biblical influence. And then also, how are you going to give people an appreciation of the
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biographies of guys like Martin Luther King Jr. or Abraham Lincoln or Magellan or Columbus or even
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Gandhi, who read the Sermon on the Mount every day, reportedly? How are you going to do that if you
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don't have a handle on the Bible? Because that's what drove these men, largely. Now, I'm fully aware,
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as I'm saying this, that many of these topics are being increasingly ignored in our public school
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system. And look, if we've simply given up on offering kids a real education, and if we're now
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unconcerned with silly little subjects like history and literature and philosophy and art, then, yeah,
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I guess the whole biblical literacy concept is kind of irrelevant. Biblical literacy is necessary for
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general literacy in many of the subjects I've just mentioned. But if we're throwing those subjects out,
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then it's a moot point, I suppose. But in that case, we've just tossed out education,
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and there's no point of—what's even the point anymore of sending kids to school?
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If our educational facilities are going to actually try to, you know, educate, then the Bible must
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necessarily be a bedrock of that—not the only bedrock, not the only thing, but it obviously has to
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be a crucial part of that effort to understand these things. Now, a couple of other points. Some
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people will say that, yeah, sure, we should teach them the Bible. So let's have kids learn about the
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Bible, and let's have it as part of a world's religion class, and we could teach it alongside
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and give it equal time to, say, the Koran and the Gita and, I don't know, the Tibetan Book of the Dead,
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right? Now, I completely agree that we should teach kids about those texts as well. We should teach kids
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about those religions. You can't very well learn much about the Far East if you don't know something
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about Buddhism. You can't learn anything about the Middle East from about the year 600 till now if you
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don't know something about the Koran. You obviously can't learn anything about India if you don't know
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something about Hinduism and the Bhagavad Gita and those kinds of works. And we do obviously want to
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teach kids about those other parts of the world and those other cultures. But it's not the same.
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You know, the idea that we should give those texts equal time to the Bible is obviously absurd
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because none of them come close to influencing Western art and literature and philosophy. That is,
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the civilization we actually live in. And that's, kids need to get a handle on their own civilization
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first because this is where we live. And then you can move on to study those other civilizations.
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But as far as this, as far as everything that's around us, all of that has been to some degree
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influenced by the Bible. Whereas, I mean, you could learn about many of those subjects without ever
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picking up the Bhagavad Gita. And, you know, you can learn everything you need to know about
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Shakespeare without knowing anything about Hinduism.
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One other point, as I mentioned, that actually, I think the only people who could make a feasible,
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logical case against teaching the Bible in public schools, ironically, would be Christians.
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And I've heard some Christians say this over the last couple of days. They've said that, you know,
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I don't actually want the public schools teaching anything about the Bible because, well, obviously,
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I wouldn't want them teaching the theology of the Bible. I'm not, I wouldn't trust a public school
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teacher. I wouldn't trust some random history teacher to teach theology, which they're not going
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to do. But then at the same time, I don't really want the Bible being taught as a purely literary
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piece of work, because that could be confusing for my kids who are Christian. We're teaching them
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that this is, that this is the Word of God, and then they're going to go to school and learn that
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it's a piece of literature. So, so that's the only objection that to me could make any sense
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whatsoever. From a secular perspective, there's, there's just no objection that makes sense.
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Obviously, from a secular perspective, fine, you see the Bible as a piece of literature. You can't
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factually deny its influence and importance, even if you hate it. So clearly, it needs to be
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taught in schools. But the concern from a Christian perspective of teaching the Bible as literature,
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when you're also trying to teach it as the Word of God, I understand that concern. And, and that could
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get a little bit dicey to have somebody teaching the Bible who really doesn't think that there's
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anything spiritually significant about it, and is just teaching it as, and then what do you do? Maybe
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they're, they're teaching Exodus. The story of Exodus, again, very influential story, which you can see
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those themes repeated and echoed in many other pieces of literature and pieces of art and so on.
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So you do need the kids to understand that story. But what if you've got a teacher teaching Exodus,
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who's going to tell the kids, hey, by the way, this never happened. Moses didn't exist. This is
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just a story. It's a fable, whatever. So that is a, that's a, that could be a problem. But the fact,
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all we're, we're just dealing with a simple fact here, that if you're going to give kids a well-rounded
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education that touches on philosophy, literature, art, and all of that, they need, they need to be taught
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the Bible as well. The Bible needs to be part of that. You just can't separate it from it. And if you're
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saying, well, I don't trust the public schools to deal with that, well, then maybe that's just a good
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education that you shouldn't be sending your kid to public school. That's all I can say about that.
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All right. Quickly, the, the former mayor of San Francisco, Willie Brown, wrote what I guess we
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will call a column in the San Francisco Chronicle. And this is what he had to say. He said, I've been
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peppered with calls from the national media about my relationship with Kamala Harris, particularly
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since it became obvious that she was going to run for president. Most of them I have not returned.
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Yes. Yes. We dated. It was more than 20 years ago. Yes. I may have influenced her career by
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appointing her to two state committees when I was assembly speaker. Um, and I certainly helped with
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her first race for district attorney in San Francisco. I've also helped the careers of house
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speaker, Nancy Pelosi, Gavin Newsom, Dianne Feinstein, and a host of other politicians. The difference is
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that Harris is the only one who, after I helped her, sent word that I would be indicted if I so much as
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jaywalked, quote unquote, while she was DA. Now, by the way, um, this story has gotten like no
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attention whatsoever, even though you've got a guy admitting that he dated Kamala Harris and helped
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her, um, get her first steps into politics. Now, when we say dated, what he means is had an affair
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with, he was married at the time. Maybe his wife was estranged or whatever, but still he was married.
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So this was an affair. He had an affair. He had an affair with Kamala Harris. And so Harris slept
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with a married man and use that relationship to get a step up in politics. Um, again, you would think
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that that would be a significant story that you've got this guy admitting to this. Kamala Harris pretends
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to be a champion for women, but, but according to, to, uh, to Willie Brown, um, she's a champion for
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women, I guess, except for the woman whose husband she slept with in order to get ahead in politics.
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So, and of course, when we're talking about the character of Kamala Harris, uh, this is the same
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person who has attorney general of California collaborated with Planned Parenthood to prosecute
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the, the undercover journalist who exposed its sale of baby parts. So Kamala Harris has been in the
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pocket. She's been a minion of the abortion industry for a very long time. Um, and even that,
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what the way that she, uh, you know, as someone who has accepted, um, so much money from the abortion
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industry, and then she comes to their defense, you know, that's a story that you think should have
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gotten a lot of attention, which of course it wasn't going to because it deals with the abortion
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industry. And now we have this and people are just kind of yawning, which doesn't make any sense to
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me. So for me there, obviously I'm, I wouldn't be tempted to support Kamala Harris anyway. Um, so
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there are a lot of reasons not to support her, but I think that maybe this would be one of them.
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All right, let's check with a CNBC, which ran an article a few days ago titled, here's how much
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money you save when you don't have kids. So this is just another propaganda piece trying to convince
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people of the benefits of dying alone. Um, let's look at it. It says, uh, in part, your friends may
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tell you having kids has made them happier. They're probably lying. Research shows that parenthood leads
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to a happiness gap. Maybe that's because the pleasures of parenthood are outweighed by all the
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extra responsibilities, housework, and of course the costs. Um, and then a little bit later on,
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it gets to the supposed costs of having kids. It says the average middle income married couple
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spent between $12,350 and $13,900 on each of their children in 2015. Extrapolating from that number,
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and you're looking at spending $233,610 per child from birth through age 17, uh, higher income families
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will spend, um, around $370,000 supposedly. And then it just goes on from there. Now, first of all,
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these numbers are completely insane. And the media loves to do this. I mean, you see these stories
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every, every couple of months, you have one of these stories about here's how much it costs to have kids.
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Um, $14,000 per year, per kid, 14 grand per kid. Now I have three kids. That means according to
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these numbers, we're spending $40,000 on just our kids, which is, which is completely believable and
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makes sense. If you're buying your kids a brand new wardrobe of designer clothing every week,
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and if you're eating out for every single meal, and if you buy a new car, uh, every year,
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and it basically, if you're about as wasteful as humanly possible, then I could see maybe spending
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14 grand per kid per year. Um, and, uh, a quarter of a million dollars on one kid through, through their
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entire childhood, which means that if you have like four kids, um, that's a million bucks,
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right. That you're going to be spending. But if you actually exercise even a small amount of
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financial discipline, then it will be much, much cheaper. I mean, we don't spend anywhere close to
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that per kid. I don't even, do we even spend 14,000 on all three kids combined? Uh, that to me seems
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doubtful. Our, you know, our grocery bill is, is a little bit higher than it would be if it were just
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the two of us. But, but the point is if you actually make, if you, if you actually, I don't
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know, cook meals with, with, with ingredients, then it's, uh, it's, it's not nearly as expensive
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as you think. And if you're not dead set on getting your kids brand new, fancy brand name clothes all
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the time, if you're okay with like hand-me-downs, you know, um, I, we've, my oldest son, now we're
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passing his clothes on to, uh, to, uh, our youngest son. So we, we really have no new clothing costs
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for, for our youngest son. So numbers like this would assume that with our youngest son, we're
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just going to throw out all the old clothes and go get him new clothes, which would be an incredibly
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stupid and insane thing to do. But to get to, just so you understand, if you don't have kids or
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anything and you see numbers like this and you, and you're scared by them, you think, well, you know,
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I have to be like a freaking millionaire to have kids. Well, yeah, that's what the media wants you
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to believe because they're trying to convince you. There are people in the media who are just
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desperate to convince everyone that they shouldn't have kids. And I think because a lot of the, now
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the person who wrote this article, I have no idea if they have kids or not, but I think a lot of the
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people who are behind this propaganda, they themselves don't have kids. They've made that
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decision in life. So they're trying to convince other people to join them in their loneliness. Um,
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but all I'm saying is, is, uh, is don't do that. At least if you're going to make the decision not
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to have kids, don't make it based on this because I get, look, I, I know, um, I know families that
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have six or six, seven, eight kids. And according to these numbers, that means that they, they would
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be spending over a hundred grand a year just on their kids. But some of these families, I know that
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have these big, a lot of kids, they don't even make a hundred grand a year. So according to these
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numbers, it's, that's impossible. Like how, how are they surviving? But then you look at these
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families, not only they surviving, but they're thriving. They're not living in rags in the
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gutter. I mean, they have homes, they have, they have, uh, they have food. I mean, everyone is
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perfectly well-fed, perfectly happy, well-adjusted families that have a lot of kids and somehow find a
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way to pay for it on, um, you know, on a not even six figure income, which again, according to the
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media should be impossible, but it's not impossible is the point. Um, but the, you know, the, the more
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fundamental issue here is this whole idea that you should be making these kinds of decisions
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based on these sorts of financial considerations, which, which you really shouldn't be. Now,
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I'm not saying that you should, you know, you shouldn't take the finances into account at all,
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but, um, if you feel called to start a family and you really want to start a family,
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then, then do it. Uh, yeah, I mean, it might be, you might have to make some sacrifices. You,
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you know, you might have to give up a few vacations here and there. And, uh, you know,
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maybe you won't, won't be living with exactly the same sort of luxury you would be living with,
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living with otherwise, but, um, but that's not the, the, the main point here. The main point of
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life isn't just to save money. Now, I hate to, I hate to be reduced to cliches here, but you can't
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take it with you. And if you don't have kids, you don't even have anyone to pass your money down
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to. So what's the point? So you, you don't have kids because you want to save money and then you
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save a whole bunch of money and you die. And then so what, what, what good does it, you don't even
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have anyone to bequeath it to. So it's just completely pointless. Um, all right. Finally,
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I want to answer it. Cause we don't have a, I'll just have to do a couple. We're running out of
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time here, but, um, if you want to send a message, an email to the show, Matt wall show at gmail.com
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a couple of quick emails from Cody. He says, Hey Matt, I recently listened to your show where you
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talked about Elizabeth Warren and her ultra rich tax. I loved what you said. And I thought I'd
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offer a bit of insight into some other relevant discourse and get your opinion on it. A lot of
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people talking about this issue will claim that it is immoral for billionaires to have that much
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money. And as an economist, that strikes me as odd. It certainly rubs me the wrong way. However,
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when people claim it's immoral because the billionaires do it quote on the backs of exploited
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workers for the majority of corporations and businesses and firms, this is impossible because
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of how corporate production works. Production is a combination of labor and capital and firms will
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only hire labor or buy slash rent capital until the benefit, i.e. increased revenue from increased
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output outmatches the cost wages for laborers and rent investment for capital. This makes it impossible
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for firms to make any profit off of workers because the amount they're paying all their workers
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is always equilibrated to the revenue they get. So they don't get any profit from that. The profits
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for a firm usually come from owning the capital they use instead of renting it and thus paying
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themselves the rent they would normally get. Thank you for that, Cody. That's adding some extra
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context and insight. And here's what I find. This is just anecdotally. But when we have these kinds
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of discussions, the people who are on the more socialist side of it and say, oh, it's making
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money off the backs of exploited workers and we've got to redistribute the wealth, I very rarely hear
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from someone with that opinion who has the kind of knowledge about the subject that Cody clearly has.
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So it's just it's odd to me, right, that all the and if you're on the socialist side, that should concern
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you that all of the really knowledgeable people who really know how business works and can write
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an email like that. Almost all of them seem to be on the free market side. From Trevor, he says, Matt,
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I'm a fan of your show and would like to thank you for your insights. On your Monday show, you mentioned
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that you didn't go to college. If you would be willing to tell if you would be willing, could you tell a bit
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of the story of your self-education and how you got into political commentary? It was just a bit
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surprising to me that you didn't have a higher education. Thanks for all you do and Godspeed.
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Trevor, I won't go into my whole autobiography because I think it'll be terribly, terribly boring
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and irrelevant. I'll just say that in terms of education, I discovered that it was possible
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to learn quite a bit just by reading books and to a lesser extent through the internet as well,
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which can be a great tool for learning if you know how to use it and you're responsible in using it.
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So I discovered that not only could I learn that way, but actually for me, it was the best way to
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learn because not everybody excels in the kind of formal environment of an educational institution.
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Some people need a sort of freer and looser approach to it or a self-guided approach to
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education, I guess is the best way to phrase it. That's what I discovered was the case for me. In fact,
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I discovered that when I was still in grade school and I realized that this kind of sitting down,
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having someone regurgitate information and I have to regurgitate it onto a sheet of paper to show that
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I've picked on, but it's very focused on memorization and you're only learning about
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this subject for a certain amount of time and then you got to move on to this subject
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and everything. And just that whole, there are some people who excel in that environment and do
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very well in it. But there are also some people who just don't. And it's not because they're stupid.
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It's not because they can't learn. It's just because they learn differently. And I knew that
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that's the case for me. And that certainly is the case for me. The way that I tend to learn is I get
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very obsessed with one particular subject. And I read all about it. So the only thing I want to read
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about or talk about or think about for weeks or months or longer. And so I just dive into it. I
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learn everything I can about that subject. And then some other subject will strike my fancy and
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I'll dive into that and learn everything I can about that. And I'll learn it through different
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ways. I'll read books. I'll watch documentaries. I'll listen to audio books. I'll read essays and
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articles and stuff. So you just, if you're going to school, again, in a more formal education
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environment, you can't really learn that way. But outside of school, you can. So that's why I say to
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people, and I sound like a broken record, but before you go to college, before you sign on that dotted
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line and sign up for all of that debt, you should know something about not only what you want to do with
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your life and what your passions are and what your interests are, but also you should know
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something about how you learn. And if learning this way is actually beneficial or even possible
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for you, because if it's not, that doesn't mean that you're not going to go, you know, that you're
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going to decide not to go to college and you're going to end up being stupid and illiterate and lacking
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in knowledge and information. No, it just means that maybe you go and learn some other way.
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Um, finally, let's see, I'll read, uh, I'll read one more. Audrey says, Matt, you recently talked
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about the whole PETA thing with them pretending to be cooking a dog or whatever. Uh, and I thought I
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would share some of my views on the matter as a student studying animal science. The reason why
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eating dogs is seen as different from eating sheeps or pigs is mainly because of differences in
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domestication. Dogs were domesticated to 20,000 ish years ago. And as we've evolved, they have evolved
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alongside us as companions and protectors. Livestock were domesticated for food. They've
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evolved to be the most efficient and giving us what we want from them, like milk or meat or whatever
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produce it is. Um, dogs and livestock have served different purposes for thousands of years and
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will continue to serve different purposes, probably forever. Another big reason why people don't want
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to eat dog meat. And this one sucks is because it's a common belief in Asia that tortured dog meat
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tastes better. People in Asia will actually burn dogs and skin them alive. There's even an
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annual festival, the Yulin Festival in China, where over 10,000 dogs are tortured and killed.
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In contrast, in the United States, we try our hardest to make sure that livestock have the best
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life possible and are killed in the most humane way possible. If we were going to slaughter dogs for
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food in the U.S., at least we would have the good feeling that they weren't skinned alive. So if anyone
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in a foreign country serves you Fido lasagna, maybe politely decline. Audrey, this rarely happens,
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but you have convinced me and you've changed my mind. I think that my position on eating dog meat,
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which again, I said I would never do here, but if I went to a foreign country and it was,
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and if they did serve me, you know, a Rex stir fry, um, you know, a Clifford, the big red dog stir fry,
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if they served it to me in a foreign country, I would eat it to be polite and also maybe a little bit
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out of curiosity. But with that extra context, I think I would have to say, um, no, I'll pass.
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I think I'll just have a salad, please.
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So thank you for that. And thanks everyone for your emails. Um, I'll talk to you tomorrow. Godspeed.
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