The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 189 - They Aren’t “Fetuses,” They’re Undocumented Infants

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, I will explain why we should start calling unborn babies undocumented infants. 0.93

00:00:07.400 And we'll talk about the rights, sudden, newfound, but much welcomed passion for the abortion issue.

00:00:13.820 And Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wants another bill to help solve the non-existent gender wage gap. 1.00

00:00:21.420 And finally, I will answer your emails today on the Matt Wall Show.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to the Matt Wall Show, everybody. Thanks for being here. Thanks for watching.

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00:00:39.900 Now, the big news, first of all, that I have to mention just at the top is that Cory Booker has announced his candidacy for president.

00:00:45.800 Everybody is very excited about this news.

00:00:47.560 I went outside and there were people running down the street just exclaiming their excitement for Cory Booker to be a candidate for president.

00:00:59.340 And he joins a very crowded yet dynamic field for the Democrats, a field that includes crazed abortion enthusiast Kamala Harris, fake Native American Elizabeth Warren, and others as well.

00:01:13.800 Including, also I should mention, there's a woman called Marianne Williamson who describes herself as a spiritual guru.

00:01:22.140 She's running for president as a Democrat, and I think what our country really needs is a spiritual guru.

00:01:27.480 That's very clear to me.

00:01:28.740 But she has one item of her platform that is very interesting.

00:01:31.980 She is suggesting, demanding, $100 billion in slavery reparations.

00:01:39.540 Now, she herself is white, I believe.

00:01:41.520 So, you know, I assume that she'll also be taking part in contributing to this.

00:01:48.940 I would just make one slight tweak to her idea.

00:01:51.720 What I would say is, we'll start by confiscating all of her income for reparations.

00:01:59.460 And then we'll throw that into the pot, into the kitty, and then we'll figure out where we are.

00:02:04.320 We'll kind of reconvene and, you know, collect ourselves and figure out how much more we need to make up the difference to get to $100 billion.

00:02:13.280 So we'll just start, that'll be the first step, right?

00:02:15.840 Whoever suggests it, kind of a you smelt it, dealt it sort of situation.

00:02:20.520 So you suggested it, so you start by giving up all of your money, and then we'll, you know, we'll figure out where to go from there.

00:02:24.960 All right, yesterday I made a suggestion, speaking of ideas and suggestions, I made a suggestion at the top of the show, which I want to expound upon a bit here.

00:02:35.880 I wrote about this on the Daily Wire as well.

00:02:38.120 You can go there, dailywire.com and read it.

00:02:40.800 My thought is basically this.

00:02:42.540 We need to start calling unborn babies undocumented infants, okay? 0.99

00:02:49.140 That needs to be the new term that we use.

00:02:52.540 So we stop using any other term, just undocumented infants should be the way that we refer to unborn babies from now on.

00:03:00.200 Now, I think that this works.

00:03:01.520 I think this is a good term.

00:03:02.560 I'm biased, of course, because it was my idea, but I think it works for a number of reasons.

00:03:06.800 Starting with this, it is literally true.

00:03:09.240 It is an accurate description of the sort of person that we're talking about.

00:03:15.620 Because the only thing that really separates and distinguishes a child moments before birth from a child who has already been born is documentation.

00:03:27.800 That's it.

00:03:28.260 That's the only real difference.

00:03:29.620 There is no other biological, scientific, philosophical, moral, ethical difference between the two.

00:03:34.880 Just that once a child is born, within a few weeks, they issue a birth certificate and a social security card.

00:03:41.880 And so the one thing, the one distinction is that the child in the womb doesn't yet have the paperwork.

00:03:47.220 But, of course, that doesn't actually mean anything.

00:03:53.480 Now, words on a page can legally and officially recognize someone as being a person, but they cannot, the words on the page, the paperwork, cannot actually confer biological personhood status.

00:04:10.980 Because being a person is a biological thing.

00:04:14.360 So all the paperwork can do is just officially recognize it.

00:04:17.700 And as a matter of logistics and practicality, a child in the womb doesn't yet have the paperwork.

00:04:26.300 So that's the one difference.

00:04:28.360 And here's the thing.

00:04:30.840 I've been told many times that undocumented people, you know, have all the same rights as those who are documented.

00:04:42.120 I've also been told many times that undocumented people have the right to cross through borders.

00:04:46.600 And over barriers and pursuit of life and liberty.

00:04:51.380 Planned Parenthood itself has even said, this is the phrase that Planned Parenthood used.

00:04:56.160 Planned Parenthood sent out a tweet a while ago, and they said that undocumented people have the right to live.

00:05:02.820 That was their phrase.

00:05:04.520 And I totally agree with this statement.

00:05:07.040 All people have the right to live.

00:05:08.700 And I certainly would not support any effort whatsoever to summarily execute illegal immigrants crossing the southern border.

00:05:18.660 I would not support that.

00:05:20.760 And fortunately, nobody has suggested it.

00:05:23.260 But there is, you might say, a different southern border that is quite often protected by violent means.

00:05:35.420 Undocumented infants who are trying to cross the border of the birth canal in hopes of a better life, in pursuit of liberty.

00:05:45.200 They are routinely stabbed, poisoned, crushed, dismembered for doing so.

00:05:51.040 And the murder of these migrants is, we may call them biological migrants. 1.00

00:05:58.900 The murder of them is especially egregious because unlike migrants from Central America, they really have no choice but to leave their homeland.

00:06:08.100 Okay, now, we're often told that migrants from Mexico or Guatemala or wherever else are forced to leave.

00:06:15.840 They have no choice because they're fleeing the conditions in their countries that become untenable, so they have to leave.

00:06:21.200 Well, undocumented infants really are forced. 0.99

00:06:24.200 They really have no choice.

00:06:25.660 They did not choose to be conceived in their womb of origin.

00:06:28.860 They don't choose when and if they are born.

00:06:31.460 They are victims of circumstance.

00:06:33.160 They have no choice whatsoever.

00:06:34.220 Immigrants deserve a chance, right?

00:06:38.200 Isn't that what we're told?

00:06:39.800 Isn't that the slogan?

00:06:42.120 They are dreamers.

00:06:43.280 They have a dream.

00:06:44.720 These are good people, decent people, innocent people just trying to survive.

00:06:49.560 Those are the lines, right?

00:06:51.300 That's what everybody says.

00:06:53.140 Well, it applies just as much, in fact, even more so to infants.

00:06:57.380 Now, you'll often hear people say that, well, we are all undocumented immigrants, right?

00:07:06.600 We're all like this.

00:07:07.660 We have no room to judge these undocumented immigrants that are coming across the border of Mexico because we're all in the same boat.

00:07:17.580 Well, that's actually not true.

00:07:18.720 Now, our ancestors maybe were undocumented, but that doesn't mean that we are.

00:07:25.840 And even our ancestors actually probably weren't undocumented.

00:07:31.200 My grandparents came, or great-grandparents, they came here through Ellis Island.

00:07:35.440 That was perfectly legal.

00:07:37.280 Now, if your family came back in the settler times and pioneer times, then, yes, they were, quote, undocumented.

00:07:43.260 But that's because documentation didn't exist, so there was no distinction between documented and undocumented.

00:07:49.460 There were no documented people back then, so the distinction means nothing.

00:07:54.480 But it is true that we were all, at one time, undocumented infants.

00:08:01.100 All of us began our existence in the womb.

00:08:04.220 All of us were granted the opportunity to flee the womb in hopes of a better life.

00:08:09.180 And so we really are all in that boat.

00:08:15.880 Who are we to deny that right to those who come after us?

00:08:19.740 It is a form of discrimination.

00:08:22.140 It is, in fact, the worst form of discrimination.

00:08:26.220 So undocumented infants it should be. 1.00

00:08:29.420 Now, the point here, listen, is not just to troll liberals by using undocumented infants.

00:08:34.380 I mean, that's part of the point, honestly, if I'm being truthful, but that's not the whole point.

00:08:40.300 It's also about being more precise and more strategic in our language.

00:08:44.900 And the left has already figured this out.

00:08:46.720 They've been doing this for a long time.

00:08:48.880 They've already figured out, you know, how to use language.

00:08:52.540 And they get the upper hand in arguments all the time because they control the language.

00:08:56.940 They convince us to adopt their language.

00:09:00.120 And in adopting the language, we basically cede their point without even knowing that we're doing it.

00:09:06.260 Because many times the conclusion to their premise is embedded in the language that they use.

00:09:15.680 And so the moment we start using the same language, we've already essentially agreed with their conclusions.

00:09:21.120 So language manipulation is one of their primary weapons, and it's been, you know, probably the most effective tool they have in their arsenal.

00:09:36.660 So they have a few different ways of doing this, and they have a few different ways of manipulating language on the left.

00:09:42.260 And they can just be straight up dishonest and use language, use words that are the opposite of what they really mean.

00:09:56.640 And you see that with gender issues.

00:09:59.960 So pronouns and all that.

00:10:01.600 And with that, they're just lying.

00:10:03.540 They're trying to convince us to lie.

00:10:05.400 They're saying, oh, no, don't use a male pronoun for him.

00:10:09.100 Use a female pronoun because he identifies as a woman. 0.58

00:10:13.320 Well, that's language manipulation, but it's just a lie.

00:10:16.160 And it may be effective in duping some people, but I think most people don't fall for that.

00:10:20.740 Most people still, even if they pretend otherwise because they're afraid of the backlash, most people still don't buy this idea that a man in a dress is really a woman.

00:10:29.320 So the more effective strategy for the left has been when they come up with a new term or a new word for something,

00:10:36.000 and the new word is misleading, but it's not actually technically untrue.

00:10:42.340 And the primary example of that is the word fetus.

00:10:48.100 Now, fetus is just Latin for child or offspring.

00:10:52.500 That's all that means.

00:10:53.440 So when they insist on using fetus instead of child, when they say, no, it's not a child, it's a fetus, that's like saying, no, it's not a human, it's a homo sapien.

00:11:02.840 It's a distinction without a difference.

00:11:04.140 It's like saying, it's not a car, it's an automobile.

00:11:07.360 A distinction without a difference means the same thing.

00:11:09.840 But they realize that viscerally and emotionally, instinctively, the word baby and the word child, the word infant, brings to mind a cute little person, right?

00:11:22.640 A cute, innocent little person.

00:11:23.740 Anyone who hears baby, child, infant, that's what comes to mind immediately.

00:11:27.520 And of course, they don't want that visceral reaction.

00:11:30.560 So they go with fetus, which doesn't immediately bring to mind anything, because before they started using fetus as the word, nobody used that word, nobody had ever heard of it.

00:11:42.080 So they use a word that is technically true, but it just doesn't carry the emotional baggage that they're afraid of.

00:11:50.300 And it's sort of a blank slate term, and they can infuse an image, and they can infuse emotional baggage into it.

00:11:57.540 So, undocumented immigrant is another example. 1.00

00:12:02.060 It's not untrue.

00:12:03.940 Illegal immigrants are undocumented.

00:12:06.280 They do lack proper documentation, so that's true.

00:12:09.680 But illegal is kind of a harsh term.

00:12:12.160 It's direct.

00:12:13.040 It's a little bit too accurate.

00:12:15.720 So they go with something softer, something more ambiguous, something that makes the distinction sound arbitrary.

00:12:22.560 Like, oh, they're just undocumented.

00:12:24.320 They just don't have paperwork.

00:12:25.340 What's the big deal?

00:12:27.540 So I suggest we fight fire with fire, and that we take their two most effective forms of language manipulation, and we take those, and we steal them, and we use them ourselves.

00:12:44.620 Only we are using them in an honest way.

00:12:49.000 This is not dishonest, and it's not misleading.

00:12:51.400 We are not looking to obfuscate or to get people to have a visceral reaction that is inappropriate.

00:13:04.080 We're not looking to do that.

00:13:05.820 We are looking for a term that is true, and that in this case it is, in fact, more specific, more direct,

00:13:13.680 but that maybe carries with it a little bit of emotional baggage that will help people understand more instinctively what we're talking about.

00:13:24.720 So undocumented infant immediately brings to mind, first of all, an infant, a baby, a human child, which is accurate, is true. 1.00

00:13:32.300 It's what we want people thinking about.

00:13:33.440 And then second, with undocumented, it gives you the impression that the only difference between this infant and an infant outside of the womb is just paperwork.

00:13:43.540 It makes it sound like an sort of arbitrary, basically meaningless difference, and that is true. 0.99

00:13:49.700 That's exactly true.

00:13:50.760 It's exactly right.

00:13:51.640 So let's use this.

00:13:55.380 Let's go with this.

00:13:56.540 Yesterday I started this campaign on Twitter, and the term was trending nationwide pretty much all afternoon, so I think it was a good start.

00:14:04.740 But let's keep it going.

00:14:06.980 One other thing I want to say about this abortion and undocumented infants is I've noticed something over the last couple of weeks, 1.00

00:14:17.700 and that is conservatives, generally speaking, in the mainstream, have been talking about abortion.

00:14:29.520 It's been one of the main topics of conversation, and they've been talking about it in very direct, aggressive, forceful ways.

00:14:40.100 Now, if you've been paying attention at all over the last 30, 40 years, you know that that is a definite change.

00:14:48.700 The left and the media, they like to paint it as if they've always painted it like, well, conservatives are obsessed with abortion.

00:14:54.280 It's all they talk about.

00:14:55.800 That's actually not true.

00:14:57.800 Now, it's one of the main things that I talk about as a crazy radical pro-lifer, and there are others in my camp.

00:15:05.720 But in the mainstream, generally, actually conservatives have generally avoided this issue, and they don't talk about it very much.

00:15:11.340 And when they do talk about it, they don't use the kind of language that I've seen conservatives using over the last couple of weeks,

00:15:20.580 and they don't speak about it in terms or in the way that it's been spoken about over the last couple of weeks.

00:15:27.200 This is a good change.

00:15:29.360 I don't want to speak too soon.

00:15:30.860 I don't want to be too optimistic.

00:15:33.560 But it seems like we've crossed some sort of threshold.

00:15:37.040 And we could always go back across.

00:15:40.020 Maybe that will happen.

00:15:40.960 I hope it doesn't.

00:15:41.580 I hope we stay where we are and keep moving ahead.

00:15:45.400 Because what we've seen is that when all conservatives really focus on this issue, and they stand up and they say, no, this is killing babies.

00:15:55.200 We're not going to stand for it.

00:15:56.480 And, in fact, not only that, but they treat the pro-abortion position as not just wrong, but as so self-evidently wrong and just so evil that it's almost absurd, that you can't even take it seriously.

00:16:15.980 That's the main difference I've seen over the last few years, is that conservatives are taking this approach of like, what?

00:16:20.900 How could anyone? 0.98

00:16:21.820 You want to kill babies? 1.00

00:16:23.620 What the hell is wrong with you? 1.00

00:16:25.100 And that is exactly the approach. 0.94

00:16:28.140 It is exactly the tone and the attitude we should have.

00:16:32.080 Because that's another thing that the left has done, and they've been very successful at it.

00:16:37.280 Where they act like their positions are just self-evident. 0.98

00:16:40.600 And if you disagree with them, you're crazy.

00:16:44.420 And it can be very convincing to people.

00:16:47.800 Because they say something, and then someone immediately says, well, I disagree with that.

00:16:51.000 But then the way that they react to the disagreement, it makes the person think, well, okay, geez, all right, maybe I was wrong.

00:16:59.360 We should be doing exactly the same thing with abortion, except in this case, it's true. 1.00

00:17:03.040 It's honest.

00:17:03.560 Because it is self-evident that abortion is wrong. 0.99

00:17:07.480 It is absurd, ridiculous, evil to actually support the murder of babies.

00:17:11.960 So our reaction to people who support it really should be, what? 0.99

00:17:14.900 What is wrong with you? 0.99

00:17:17.500 Are you crazy? 1.00

00:17:19.120 That's a baby. 1.00

00:17:20.360 You can't kill babies.

00:17:21.840 What?

00:17:23.260 This is a good change of pace.

00:17:27.120 And it shows us that if we were to keep this up and have exactly this approach and this tone and this attitude,

00:17:33.400 and we talk about it in these terms and we talk about it a lot and we keep it on the forefront of people's minds,

00:17:38.240 I think there could be real change in this country.

00:17:40.460 All right, yesterday, Nancy Pelosi and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other Democrats unveiled a new bill,

00:17:50.460 which they put together, called the Paycheck Fairness Act.

00:17:56.220 And it's supposed to help solve the gender wage gap. 1.00

00:17:59.660 Now, you might be thinking, don't we already have like three dozen laws that supposedly address the wage gap?

00:18:08.840 And yes, yes, we do.

00:18:10.460 And then you might also be thinking, isn't the gender wage gap a myth?

00:18:13.740 I mean, hasn't this thing been debunked a million times?

00:18:15.940 Well, yes, yes, it has.

00:18:17.720 But nobody has told AOC that.

00:18:20.440 So she was talking about the legislation yesterday.

00:18:24.460 And here she is explaining this piece of legislation.

00:18:27.180 We implicitly recognize, as women, that the pay gap and the wage gap is an injustice that persists through secrecy.

00:18:37.260 And it's an injustice that persists to the present day.

00:18:40.960 And the only way that we can combat that is through organizing our personal action ourselves.

00:18:46.300 So I'm so happy that the Paycheck Fairness Act addresses, among many things, two very critical ones.

00:18:52.740 One is that we cannot ask for salary history and pay people depending on their salary history any more.

00:19:01.240 Any more.

00:19:02.180 Because it is time that we pay people what they are worth and not how little they are desperate enough to accept.

00:19:11.820 It is time to pay people what they are worth.

00:19:15.240 And that has nothing to do with their history.

00:19:17.300 It has everything to do with what they are worth today.

00:19:20.400 And the second thing is that it makes it legal and it makes it totally permissible to share your salary information at your workplace.

00:19:30.200 And that's incredibly important because for all of those who say that the wage gap does not exist and that it's a myth, then they should have no problem proving that by allowing the disclosure of salaries in the workplace.

00:19:43.460 So I'm so thankful to just be able to co-sponsor and be that backup in this legislation that so many people have worked so hard to bring today.

00:19:54.720 Okay, let's run through a few things here from what you just heard.

00:19:59.140 She says that the wage gap persists in secrecy.

00:20:03.640 And she's right.

00:20:05.400 It is so secret that it doesn't exist.

00:20:07.860 That's how secretive it is.

00:20:09.700 The gender wage gap is, it is, it's like, the gender wage gap has the secrecy of, say, the Loch Ness Monster or Bigfoot.

00:20:19.540 They live such secretive lives because they don't exist at all.

00:20:23.060 There is no gender wage gap.

00:20:24.300 And there have been many studies done about this, and they have all proved that there's no gender wage gap.

00:20:29.720 When you compare people in similar positions doing similar jobs with similar experience and similar levels of seniority and so on,

00:20:40.980 I mean, when you actually make a worthwhile comparison, the gender wage gap basically disappears.

00:20:47.500 Which is to say that women are not being paid differently or less for equal work. 0.99

00:20:54.620 That is not true.

00:20:55.520 That is a total lie, period.

00:20:58.080 Now, it may be true that women, generally speaking, make less than men, generally speaking,

00:21:03.920 but that's because women tend to choose jobs that pay less. 1.00

00:21:07.520 They tend to choose less, you know, they tend to choose lower-paying jobs.

00:21:13.920 There are more women in child care, for instance, and social work and working at hair salons and things like that. 1.00

00:21:20.940 And there's nothing wrong with that.

00:21:22.660 I mean, there's a perfectly honorable lines of work.

00:21:26.060 It's just that the market doesn't pay them as much.

00:21:29.240 Also, men tend to choose jobs that are more physically demanding, that are more dangerous, 0.61

00:21:36.260 that require more time, may require relocation and that sort of thing.

00:21:43.420 And those jobs are going to pay more.

00:21:45.820 You know, I talked yesterday on the show.

00:21:47.120 I said, you know, if you're 18 years old, you don't know what you want to do with your life.

00:21:51.720 Move to North Dakota and work on an oil rig and make, I don't know, make six figures or close to that.

00:21:56.980 And so that's just one example of a high-paying job that is very physically demanding.

00:22:05.500 It's going to probably require you to move.

00:22:08.120 It's a huge sacrifice.

00:22:09.780 It's dangerous.

00:22:12.640 And that's the kind of job.

00:22:14.140 It's like it's almost all men doing jobs like that. 0.95

00:22:16.840 You go on an oil rig, you're going to say mostly men.

00:22:19.460 And they are upping the average for men in general.

00:22:22.320 It's not because women are excluded. 1.00

00:22:25.680 It's not because women are told you can't take that job. 1.00

00:22:27.860 But here's the fact.

00:22:28.920 No matter, you know, there could be any feminist that might be watching and listening right now saying, 1.00

00:22:36.940 well, no, that's wrong.

00:22:37.920 Men shouldn't be paid more. 0.96

00:22:38.960 Okay, well, do you want to move to North Dakota and work on an oil rig?

00:22:43.280 That's a way you could help.

00:22:45.220 You could help your gender average just by going and doing that.

00:22:48.140 But you're not going to do it.

00:22:49.320 You don't want to do that.

00:22:50.520 That's just not something you want to do.

00:22:52.540 Well, there are men who want to do it, and so they get paid for it. 0.96

00:22:55.560 That's not unfair.

00:22:56.740 You're doing what you want to do, and they're doing what they want to do.

00:23:02.520 And that's all.

00:23:04.400 So the gender wage gap doesn't exist. 1.00

00:23:06.980 The second thing, she says, we cannot ask for salary history and pay people depending on their salary history anymore.

00:23:15.900 Anymore.

00:23:16.360 We can't do that.

00:23:17.200 We are not going to do this.

00:23:19.180 Well, wait a second.

00:23:19.980 What does we mean?

00:23:21.540 What is this we thing?

00:23:23.820 We cannot pay people according to their salary history.

00:23:26.680 We aren't doing anything.

00:23:30.360 We aren't paying anyone.

00:23:32.040 There's no we here.

00:23:34.140 An employer is not a we. 0.98

00:23:36.760 That's not something that we're all doing.

00:23:39.180 That's their business.

00:23:40.600 That's between the employer and the job candidate, and that's all.

00:23:43.800 There is no we. 0.91

00:23:45.120 Also, why shouldn't an employer be able to ask for salary history?

00:23:49.660 And how is this any of the government's business?

00:23:52.800 And how in the world is this a federal issue?

00:23:55.160 Third thing, she says, it's time we pay people what they're worth.

00:24:01.840 Well, again, we have this we thing.

00:24:03.460 Um, but you're worth what you accept.

00:24:08.420 So if your employer offers you $30,000 to do a job and you accept it, then you're worth $30,000.

00:24:15.720 If you think you're worth more than that, that's your time to say, I'm worth more.

00:24:21.560 Give me more.

00:24:24.220 This is this, um, yet again, we see the way that feminism, uh, liberal feminism, which is the only kind of feminism, we see how it infantilizes women.

00:24:34.300 And we're being told that women need daddy government to come in and go to the employer and say, no, you must pay her more. 1.00

00:24:42.680 And no, you can't ask this question.

00:24:44.200 You can't ask that question.

00:24:45.180 She's uncomfortable with this.

00:24:46.180 She's uncomfortable.

00:24:47.560 No, you know, I think that mature grown women are perfectly capable of going into a job interview. 1.00

00:24:54.620 And if they're not offered the salary that they want, they can just say, I would like more than that.

00:25:00.240 This is what I want.

00:25:01.160 And they can negotiate.

00:25:02.820 And if they're not going to get what they want, they can either choose to accept the job anyway, or they can go and interview somewhere else.

00:25:09.480 They can decline the job.

00:25:11.660 This is something that grownups do or can do.

00:25:14.220 It's an option.

00:25:15.640 And this is also, by the way, another reason why men sometimes get paid more because they ask for more.

00:25:21.080 Men are, studies show that men are more likely to demand more, to actually negotiate.

00:25:29.620 And again, that's not a criticism of women because there's nothing wrong with accepting the salary that you're presented. 1.00

00:25:35.240 If you're satisfied with it, if you're fine with it, then great.

00:25:38.300 No problem.

00:25:41.700 So I'm not saying that someone lacks maturity if they don't, you know, demand more.

00:25:45.800 I am saying that if somebody wants more money and doesn't say it and refuses to negotiate and then runs to the government and says, can you tell my employer to give me more?

00:25:55.860 Now, that is a lack of maturity.

00:25:58.980 Fourth thing, she says that it should be legal and permissible to share your salary information at work.

00:26:04.840 Well, it was never illegal in the first place.

00:26:10.120 But many jobs don't allow it because you don't really want your employees going around talking about their salaries.

00:26:16.740 So what she means to say is this.

00:26:18.820 It should be illegal to make it impermissible to share salary information at work, which, again, who are you?

00:26:26.280 Why do you get to decide this?

00:26:28.340 Why is this your call?

00:26:29.640 Why is it any of your business?

00:26:31.100 If an employer has a rule that you can't share salary, okay, what is that to you?

00:26:37.300 It's not your business.

00:26:39.540 And also, do you expect everyone at a given company to make exactly the same amount of money?

00:26:46.380 Because if you do, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, then I hope you don't make any more than your interns do at your job. 0.99

00:26:52.880 But if you're willing to accept the fact that you're going to have people in a company that are paid at varying scales, well, then, you know, there might be someone at your job who makes three times the amount that you do because they're worth three times as much.

00:27:11.020 But there's no advantage to workplace harmony and morale and general productivity for you to know it.

00:27:19.340 It's better if you don't know it.

00:27:21.180 And it's none of your business anyway.

00:27:22.840 So there's no advantage to advertising the fact that, you know, this person is making much more than that person.

00:27:29.480 Even if the higher salary is completely justified, it's still just, it's not a good thing to talk about.

00:27:37.040 It's not helpful to talk about.

00:27:40.820 So we'll see what happens there.

00:27:45.140 But another, you know, another law to address a fake problem.

00:27:51.400 And so who knows, maybe this law will finally fake solve the fake problem once and for all.

00:27:59.160 All right, let's go check the inbox.

00:28:01.880 You can email the show, mattwalshow at gmail.com, mattwalshow at gmail.com.

00:28:07.660 And we'll get to a few here before we wrap up on a Friday.

00:28:10.840 This is from Leon.

00:28:11.760 He says, hi, Matt, really liked the show.

00:28:13.520 I'm curious, though, can you make a case against abortion without bringing religion into it?

00:28:18.340 It seems like religion is always the center point of this debate, and I think it detracts from the message.

00:28:24.080 What is your non-religious case against abortion?

00:28:28.960 Hi, Leon.

00:28:29.860 Well, I think I actually do make a non-religious case most of the time.

00:28:34.580 The only time I really bring Christian dogma into it is when I'm talking to and addressing specifically Christians

00:28:41.140 who think that Christianity comports with the pro-abortion message, which it doesn't.

00:28:45.480 So that's a totally different conversation.

00:28:46.840 But generally, to a general audience, I agree that we can and should make the case,

00:28:52.780 articulate the argument, without recourse to biblical citation, because it's just not necessary.

00:28:59.480 It's very easy to do.

00:29:00.760 It's very easy to make the case without the Bible.

00:29:02.440 Just like I don't need to pull out the Bible to explain to you why it's wrong to rape,

00:29:06.860 or why arson is wrong.

00:29:09.540 I could, but I don't need to.

00:29:11.780 And if I'm talking to a general audience and they don't all believe in the authority of the Bible,

00:29:16.220 then I'm not going to pull out the Bible.

00:29:17.800 Because the thing is, when you introduce the Bible as your proof or your evidence in a conversation with a general audience,

00:29:27.060 then you've just backed the—you haven't moved the conversation forward, you've just backed it up.

00:29:31.660 Because now, okay, now we've got to circle back around and explain why the Bible is actually an authority here,

00:29:36.080 which is a totally different conversation, and you've just totally derailed everything,

00:29:41.480 and you've lost track of the conversation completely.

00:29:45.980 So I agree with you there.

00:29:48.640 What is the non-religious case against abortion?

00:29:52.360 Again, there are dozens of arguments.

00:29:54.140 I've made all these arguments many times.

00:29:56.060 And I will just say this very sort of the central point here.

00:30:03.700 I can argue against abortion without Christian doctrine. 0.88

00:30:08.040 If I were not a Christian, I would still be against abortion.

00:30:12.200 We don't need to agree on Christian doctrine in order to have this discussion.

00:30:15.840 But I cannot argue against abortion without appealing to the fundamental value and worth of human life.

00:30:26.060 So we do have to agree on that.

00:30:28.900 If you reject the fundamental worth of human life,

00:30:31.980 then there's no argument that can really be made against abortion that will resonate with you.

00:30:40.680 So if we cannot agree on that—

00:30:42.220 So I do need—there does need to be some basic common ground here that I can appeal to.

00:30:49.360 And if we don't even have that, then there's just—there's no discussion.

00:30:52.640 There's nothing we could talk about.

00:30:53.640 And in fact, if you don't agree that human life is intrinsically valuable,

00:30:57.480 then you also can't really argue for abortion.

00:31:02.420 Because any argument for abortion is invariably going to go back to this idea that women have— 1.00

00:31:08.140 it's the right of the woman, and she has bodily autonomy, 1.00

00:31:11.260 and, you know, to make abortion illegal is essentially to enslave her, and so on and so forth. 0.99

00:31:16.020 Of course, all of that is absurd.

00:31:17.360 But that's the argument against abortion, right?

00:31:19.780 But that argument also hinges on the value and worth of human life.

00:31:25.940 Because if human life has no worth and no value, then what do I care about her rights for?

00:31:30.340 Who cares about her rights? 1.00

00:31:32.320 Then in that case, I could just agree.

00:31:33.720 Yeah, you know what?

00:31:34.260 Yeah, we're enslaving women, forcing them to give birth. 1.00

00:31:36.860 We're just making them into baby factories. 1.00

00:31:38.540 Well, so what?

00:31:38.980 Who cares?

00:31:40.000 They're not worth anything.

00:31:41.560 Human life has no value.

00:31:42.780 They have no value.

00:31:43.560 So who cares?

00:31:45.060 Why should I care?

00:31:46.000 Doesn't matter.

00:31:46.520 So we do have to—we all have to assume that in order to have this discussion at all.

00:31:55.320 And if we do agree on that, at least ostensibly, then my argument is very simple.

00:32:02.920 It is never okay to intentionally and directly destroy an innocent human life.

00:32:09.700 Period.

00:32:11.220 That's all.

00:32:11.900 Human life carries with it certain rights, certain dignities, and that dignity demands a certain respect.

00:32:19.100 And that respect means, obviously, that you cannot directly, intentionally destroy an innocent human life.

00:32:28.260 And all of civilized humanity, our country, our nation, rests essentially on this premise.

00:32:37.400 And it is the same premise upon which I reject abortion.

00:32:43.220 So that's the argument.

00:32:45.420 It is an argument about the value and worth of human life and the implications of recognizing that value and worth.

00:32:56.360 From Jason, he says,

00:32:58.040 Hello, Matt, if you could unilaterally make one amendment to the U.S. Constitution, what would that amendment be, and why would you make it?

00:33:08.260 Hi, Jason.

00:33:09.300 I know exactly what amendment I would add.

00:33:11.560 I have long believed that there is a big problem with serving sizes on nutrition labels, on junk food, like chips and candy and stuff like that.

00:33:23.700 Uh, if you look at a nutrition label on a bag of chips, let's say, like the bag of chips I polished off last night at about 1230 at night, um, uh, and you look at the nutrition label, it'll say something like 140 calories per serving.

00:33:39.940 And at first you think, oh, that's not so bad.

00:33:42.380 But then you look at it again, and it says 300 servings per bag.

00:33:46.620 Uh, basically half a chip is a serving.

00:33:50.320 And I just feel like this is wrong, um, because it makes me feel bad when I eat the whole bag.

00:33:56.740 Uh, I'm left feeling like a glutton who just had 300 servings of chips in one sitting, and it hurts my feelings, okay?

00:34:02.900 It, it hurts my self-esteem.

00:34:04.600 So I would make an amendment that, that makes it illegal to put serving sizes on, um, nutrition labels, or that the serving sizes have to be, uh, much, you know, much, much larger.

00:34:16.180 So that, that would be my amendment.

00:34:17.980 In fact, I would, forget that, I would make it illegal to put nutrition labels at all on junk food.

00:34:22.440 If it is food that we all know is unhealthy, okay, then there's, there's no reason to put the nutrition label because, listen, we get it.

00:34:30.600 I know that, like, you don't need a nutrition label on a Snickers bar.

00:34:34.880 I, yes, I, it's a candy.

00:34:36.240 I understand that it's bad for me.

00:34:39.100 So all, all the nutrition label does is shame me.

00:34:42.840 Nobody has ever looked at the nutrition label on a Snickers bar and then said, you know what, I'm not going to have that.

00:34:47.460 Because you only picked up the Snickers bar because you were looking for junk food.

00:34:50.700 So all that happens is that you eat the Snickers and then you look at the nutrition label so that you can find out how much you should hate yourself.

00:34:57.420 And I say that that is, that that is in direct defiance of my human rights or something.

00:35:06.520 And so that would be my amendment.

00:35:08.000 All right.

00:35:08.280 From Michelle, she says, hi, Matt.

00:35:10.200 I really enjoy your show.

00:35:12.640 You seem to be a devout Christian and form your opinions around this without being hateful.

00:35:16.620 So many people struggle with the fact that while we may not approve of a person's life choices, we still love that person.

00:35:22.460 Without knowledge of the Bible, this seems impossible.

00:35:25.460 As someone who has come to know Jesus as an adult, I have struggled with this.

00:35:29.040 Luckily, I have a great church family who guides me.

00:35:31.500 Your podcasts are refreshing.

00:35:33.180 Thank you, Michelle, and God bless.

00:35:35.720 From Ian, he says, hi, Matt. 0.98

00:35:37.300 Just wanted to stop by and say you're ugly. 0.96

00:35:42.580 How could you say that about me, Ian? 0.97

00:35:43.880 From Steve, he says, Matt, on Twitter a few days ago, you were criticizing people who use insulting nicknames about their political opponents.

00:35:54.200 I don't know if I agree because Trump has done this to great effect.

00:35:56.960 It may seem juvenile, but it is effective, don't you think?

00:36:01.320 Steve is referring to a tweet I sent out a few days ago last week, I think, urging people to stop using dumb nicknames like Libtard or Drumpf or Killary or Obummer or Rithuglicans. 0.87

00:36:11.880 Or demon crats or whatever.

00:36:16.580 And I stand by that because here's the problem.

00:36:19.860 When you use one of those terms as you are expressing your opinion, everyone who reads or hears you use that term will immediately assume that you have an IQ hovering around room temperature.

00:36:31.900 Okay, that's just what's going to be assumed. 1.00

00:36:34.040 Because it makes you look and sound very, very, very stupid. 1.00

00:36:41.440 Maybe you're not stupid, but it just makes you look stupid. 1.00

00:36:44.360 Worse than that, it is corny as, as, it is so corny. 1.00

00:36:50.480 Libtard and Killary and Obummer. 0.81

00:36:53.380 I mean, Obummer, it's just the corniest nickname you could ever, ever think of. 0.99

00:36:59.380 And there is nothing worse than looking corny and dumb. 1.00

00:37:04.120 Nobody is going to listen to a corny, dumb person. 1.00

00:37:07.900 It's like you couldn't even choose one or the other. 0.99

00:37:09.900 It's bad enough to be one or the other, but to be both at the same time, no one's going to take that seriously.

00:37:15.260 So there's no point, look, if you're going to throw an Obummer into whatever you're writing on Facebook, there's no point in writing it. 0.99

00:37:21.000 Because all you're doing is advertising that you're corny and dumb. 0.99

00:37:25.580 So you may as well just write that instead. 1.00

00:37:27.660 I'm corny and dumb. 0.99

00:37:28.660 Now, again, maybe you are not dumb, but it's just, that's how it comes off to everyone who reads it. 0.99

00:37:34.320 So you really shouldn't do it. 0.89

00:37:35.740 Now, it's true that Trump uses, has in the past used nicknames.

00:37:40.440 But his nicknames were a little, the ones that were actually effective were different.

00:37:45.760 It wasn't Obummer.

00:37:47.100 It was like taking a personality trait of this person and just tagging it to their name to always draw out that association. 0.99

00:37:59.100 So Crooked Hillary is, you know, she's, she is crooked. 1.00

00:38:01.460 She's corrupt. 1.00

00:38:02.060 And so just taking that, tagging it there. 0.96

00:38:04.580 And it was an effective strategy.

00:38:08.500 It was effective in its time.

00:38:10.080 You know, it ran its course.

00:38:11.100 He used it to, to effect.

00:38:12.480 I agree.

00:38:14.580 It's not exactly the same thing, but I would also say that, listen, Trump is Trump.

00:38:19.360 And just because something worked for him and he got away with it, doesn't mean it works for everybody.

00:38:24.360 Who knows?

00:38:25.040 Maybe he could start using Obummer or libt.

00:38:27.220 I wouldn't be surprised if Trump dropped a libtard one of these days. 1.00

00:38:31.460 And, you know, but, but you're not Donald Trump.

00:38:35.300 The rest of us aren't. 1.00

00:38:36.120 So it's just, you just end up looking very, very stupid. 1.00

00:38:41.480 Finally, from Stacey. 0.99

00:38:43.140 Hi, Matt.

00:38:43.460 Love the show.

00:38:43.920 You seem to talk a lot about a lot, but a lot of different subjects, but I really hear, I rarely hear you talk about so-called climate change and the Democrats' effort to use climate change to advance their Marxist policies.

00:38:54.780 Where do you stand on this issue?

00:38:55.820 Do you believe that climate change is real?

00:38:57.620 Hi, Stacey.

00:38:58.380 I talk about this on occasion.

00:38:59.560 I don't talk about it that often because it just doesn't interest me that much.

00:39:02.840 Yes, I think that climate change is real.

00:39:04.460 I am not a climate change denier.

00:39:06.060 I believe, absolutely, that climates change.

00:39:08.980 Climates change all the time.

00:39:10.160 Climates are in a constant state of change.

00:39:12.360 A climate is always getting hotter or colder, drier or more humid, so on and so on.

00:39:17.120 Now, do human beings cause that change?

00:39:21.540 That's the question.

00:39:23.340 Well, I think that there is this great, big, giant ball of gas in our solar system about 90 million miles away.

00:39:32.420 You know, just go about 90 million miles that away.

00:39:37.400 Or maybe that away.

00:39:38.780 Anyway, it's about 800,000 miles across.

00:39:43.120 It's burning at about 27 million degrees.

00:39:44.980 It accounts for about 99% of the mass in our solar system.

00:39:48.320 It is so powerful that it enslaves eight planets in its gravitational pull, nine if you include Pluto.

00:39:54.600 Its gravitational force reaches trillions of miles into space.

00:39:58.260 And I think that that thing decides what our climate is going to be, not my SUV.

00:40:06.280 That's my opinion on that subject.

00:40:08.360 Thanks for watching.

00:40:09.300 Thanks for listening, everybody.

00:40:10.820 Have a great weekend.

00:40:12.240 Godspeed.

00:40:14.980 Today on the Ben Shapiro Show, Spartacus declares for president a new Democratic fresh face.

00:40:24.760 So fresh, so face.

00:40:25.920 Proposes an insane tax rate and Republicans pounce.

00:40:29.120 That's today on the Ben Shapiro Show.

00:40:30.440 The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:40:45.500 Thank you.

00:40:46.960 Have a great weekend.

00:40:50.060 I'll go, I'll go, I'll go.

00:40:52.220 Okay.

The Matt Walsh Show - February 01, 2019

Ep. 189 - They Aren’t “Fetuses,” They’re Undocumented Infants

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