The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 209 - When Will The Sane Majority Stand Up？

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, with biological males dominating women's sports across the country,

00:00:05.500 when are sane and rational people going to step up and put a stop to this madness?

00:00:11.600 Also, we will talk about the major error that I think both sides of the political aisle make

00:00:17.020 in regards to Trump. And finally, I'll answer some of your emails, including

00:00:21.740 someone wrote me an email asking me a very dangerous question,

00:00:26.380 but I will try my best to answer it today on the Matt Wall Show.

00:00:34.140 Well, a woman's track and field star named CeCe Telfer is currently dominating, breaking records

00:00:41.680 and all of that, just a really remarkable and impressive athlete. And I want to read you a

00:00:47.640 little bit of what the Daily Wire article about this, about this really remarkable, remarkable

00:00:52.780 individual. Telfer is headed to the NCAA championships on March 8th through 9th, reports a website for

00:00:58.820 Franklin Pierce Athletics. Telfer has qualified in a pair of events as she will compete in the 200

00:01:04.380 meter dash and the 60 meter hurdles, reads the site, noting that Telfer has the fastest time of the year

00:01:10.840 in the 200 meter dash, which is 24.08 seconds, which was set at the Northeast 10 Conference

00:01:17.040 Championships earlier this month. Her fastest time in the 60 meter hurdles is 8.33 seconds,

00:01:23.300 which came in December at the UMass Boston Indoor Open. She is ranked third in the country

00:01:28.020 in the hurdles and seventh in the 200 meter dash. The 21-year-old cleaned up last Sunday at Smith

00:01:35.460 College, taking home three Northeast 10 Conference titles and scoring 31.5 of the school's 49.5 points.

00:01:43.720 Franklin Pierce University finished sixth, which was the highest championship finish in program

00:01:50.340 history. Telfer was, and then it just goes on, just listing all of these accomplishments. Telfer was

00:01:56.740 also named Women's Most Outstanding Track Performer. Really impressive achievements. But there's one

00:02:05.240 problem though. It's a problem that you have probably already guessed, which is that Cece is actually a dude

00:02:11.760 named Craig. This is a male, a guy who raced against other guys through his entire scholastic career of

00:02:23.100 running, but then in his senior year decided that he was going to be a woman instead. So he switched

00:02:28.580 teams, literally, and became a woman. And now he's cleaning up every event that he competes in.

00:02:34.320 Now, this story comes to us only a few days after Terry Miller and Andryo Yearwood, both males,

00:02:42.720 came first and second, respectively, at the Girls Indoor Track and Field Championship in Connecticut.

00:02:51.100 They won first and second in the 55 meter dash. These fellows also came in first and second in the 100

00:02:56.980 meter dash last year, and Terry Miller won the 300 meter as well this season. So they're cleaning up

00:03:04.340 there as well. Just to give you an idea of how utterly and completely insane this is, okay? As if

00:03:13.040 you needed to be told, but just to give you a better idea. Terry Miller, again, this is a guy,

00:03:19.940 this is a dude. He came in first place with a 38.9 in the girls' 300 meter dash, all right?

00:03:31.120 That time, 38.9, was enough to beat the entire field. I think second place in the women's competition

00:03:41.400 was like a second behind him, I think. A second in a 300 meter dash is a very long time. But that time,

00:03:48.640 38.9, it would not have even placed him in the top 25 against the men, okay? So he won the championship

00:03:56.620 in the women's field. He would not have even been in the top 25. In fact, the top man got a 35.05

00:04:04.700 in the same event in Connecticut, but just on the men's side. The top man got a 35.05.

00:04:11.880 Number 25 got a 36.75. Remember, Terry Miller won with a 38.9, meaning Miller was a full two seconds

00:04:23.440 behind the 25th ranked guy, meaning he probably, I don't have the entire ranking. All he had was up

00:04:32.340 to 25. He probably wouldn't have even made it into the top 50. He could maybe compete for a top 100,

00:04:40.060 at most a top 75 spot. And yet he dominates against women. Why is that? Because of biology.

00:04:50.820 It's just that this just shows you what kind of biological advantage men have.

00:04:59.580 And what does this mean? It means that the girl who came in third in the event where Terry Miller

00:05:06.460 Miller and Yearwood both competed, the girl who came in third, she actually won. She actually came

00:05:13.540 in first place, but she was cheated out of the gold medal by these two cheaters. And the girl who came

00:05:19.520 in fifth and got no medal should have come in third and gotten a bronze. And the girl who came in eighth

00:05:26.100 place in the event that the two dudes raced in should have come in sixth. And sixth is very important

00:05:32.000 because it puts you in front of college coaches and scouts, and it gives you a chance to compete

00:05:35.820 in front of them, which obviously is very important in high school for the rest of your track and field

00:05:41.660 career. And by the way, that particular young lady, the one who came in eighth, but really came in sixth,

00:05:49.000 her name is Selena Sewell. And she appeared on Laura Ingram's show a couple of nights ago.

00:05:55.160 And I want to play for you a clip of this just to show you, just to show you kind of the real

00:06:01.800 human impact of this gender madness that we've got going on. So, so watch this.

00:06:07.800 I am very happy for these athletes and I fully support them for being true to themselves and

00:06:13.020 having the courage to do what they believe in. But in athletics, it's an entirely different

00:06:18.420 situation. It's scientifically proven that males are built to be physically stronger

00:06:24.140 than females. It's unfair to put someone who is biologically a male, who has not undergone

00:06:30.720 anything in terms of hormone therapy against cisgender girls.

00:06:36.000 How incredibly sad is that? I mean, how sad is it? First of all,

00:06:44.140 well, it's sad. First of all, that she was cheated out of the, out of that opportunity,

00:06:48.480 you know, that all of these girls are being cheated. But also if you, if you watch that

00:06:54.640 interview, you see how she feels the need to keep saying how she's happy for these two

00:07:00.980 guys and the whole team, they're happy for them. You know, but of course she's not really

00:07:09.060 happy for the guy, nor should she be. There's no way this girl or any of these girls are actually

00:07:16.240 happy for the dudes who came and stole the medals from them. You're not going to be happy for a

00:07:21.320 cheater. Uh, but she, she's forced to walk on eggshells to dance around it. Uh, and I don't

00:07:28.980 blame her. She's in an impossible and unfair situation. These are just kids. These are kids

00:07:34.580 who are put in this situation where it's just, there's no way to win for them. And so they can either

00:07:41.060 be cheated and say nothing and lose that way, or they can speak up and potentially face all kinds

00:07:48.680 of consequences if they do that. Again, we all know that of course she's not happy for these

00:07:54.360 cheaters. She, she, she must be furious as well. She should be, but she can't get up there and say,

00:07:59.940 these two guys are cheating and what they're doing is despicable. She can't say that, even though

00:08:06.120 we all know that she's thinking it and we're all thinking it, um, because the SJW mob, the leftist

00:08:13.340 maniacs who, who put her in this position, they've also made her feel afraid to say how she really

00:08:18.760 feels though. She is, we should, we should, uh, uh, mention that she's all, she is very brave.

00:08:24.140 I think for saying as much as she does, um, and for speaking out at all. And I commend her for that

00:08:29.880 because she, she's braver than a lot of us. She's braver than a lot of adults. And that's what I keep

00:08:35.660 thinking. When I, when I hear about these stories, uh, where are the parents? Now, I'm sure that there

00:08:40.400 are parents who are protesting and speaking up, but all of the other parents should be just,

00:08:47.160 should be saying something, should be protesting, should be, you can't just sit back and allow your

00:08:53.440 daughters to be cheated like this. Um, meanwhile, Martina, uh, Navratilova,

00:09:02.340 Navratilova, I always mess up Navratilova. There we go. Uh, a legend of women's tennis,

00:09:09.540 openly gay, a gay rights activist for a long time has been expelled from a gay rights advocacy group,

00:09:18.140 uh, and is getting attacked by the left because she wrote an article recently stating the obvious

00:09:24.580 that men should not be able to compete against women in tennis. She says that, you know, she's got

00:09:30.780 all the respect of the world for transgenders and she'll use the pronoun that they want and all

00:09:35.500 that. But, um, there is a certain biological reality to this. And if you'll start letting men

00:09:42.160 into women's tennis, it's going to be the end of women's tennis because women cannot compete with men

00:09:47.080 in tennis or in really any athletic competition. Um, but she's being, and for saying that she is being

00:09:54.920 silenced, she is being punished. Now here's the thing about all this. Everybody knows that this

00:10:04.080 stuff is crazy, right? Everyone knows that it's crazy. Um, you right now watching this, whoever you

00:10:12.040 are, I don't know who you are, uh, whatever your politics are, whatever planet you live on, um,

00:10:18.740 you know, that it is absolutely crazy that we are letting biological males compete against women

00:10:25.660 and take their championships and their trophies. You know, that we all know that I don't care how

00:10:31.620 far left you are. You still know that. So just to sort of highlight, um, this point, I did a poll on my,

00:10:40.460 on my Twitter account last night and the poll, the poll question was, uh, very simple. Do you think

00:10:48.060 that biological males should be allowed to compete against women in women's sporting events? Uh,

00:10:55.840 yes or no. Right. And last I checked, uh, which was a couple hours ago, but last I checked, there had

00:11:03.760 been 25,000 answers to this poll, 25,000 answers. And, uh, of those 25,000, 97% were against allowing

00:11:15.840 boys to compete against girls, 97% to 3%. And actually the 3% is even smaller than that because

00:11:22.200 I saw there are quite a few comments from people saying, Oh, I hit yes. I meant to hit no. Uh,

00:11:27.760 so it's probably more like 98 to or 99 one, but, but let's just say 97% for, for, um, for argument's

00:11:35.020 sake. Yes, it is a skewed poll. This is not a scientific poll. Uh, I wouldn't claim that it is.

00:11:40.060 My, my followers tend to be conservative. So, uh, you know, this is not the kind of result that I can

00:11:45.940 send to a scientific journal or something like that. It is skewed, but I mean, come on, you could

00:11:52.540 not find this kind of consensus on any other issue. I guarantee you that even with my conservative

00:11:59.040 skewing Twitter followers, um, if I put out a poll about abortion or gay marriage or gun rights or

00:12:08.200 immigration or taxes or, or literally anything else, you are not going to find 97% of people who

00:12:16.200 agree. I mean, it's very difficult to find 25, to find a group of 25,000 people where almost,

00:12:23.460 where almost all of them agree on, uh, on not just an issue, but on a supposedly contentious,

00:12:30.640 controversial issue. Right. Uh, this is, I mean, this is all anecdotal, of course, but you could

00:12:42.800 also go, go look at the comment section, um, under any news story about these kinds of things about

00:12:50.340 boys competing against girls. And you look at the comment section, every comment, doesn't matter

00:12:55.160 where you are, whatever site you go to, almost every single comment is going to be opposed,

00:13:00.820 not just opposed, but extremely angrily, um, opposed. And that, but, or just go talk to people

00:13:09.120 in the real world. Next time you're sitting around a dinner table with 10 or 11 people,

00:13:13.280 bring up this discussion. Every single person is going to say, this is crazy. We can't be doing this.

00:13:18.740 Um, again, I cannot think of any other issue where almost everyone you come across will agree.

00:13:31.460 Now I was actually curious. So I Googled to see if I could find an article, um, written by someone

00:13:37.100 who will actually defend the idea of having biological boys compete against girls. And by the way,

00:13:43.880 I don't want to get sidetracked here, but I just want to, I want to remark on the insanity of the

00:13:48.720 fact that we even have to use the phrase biological boy or biological male. Uh, it's like saying

00:13:54.940 geometric circle, right? It it's, it's, it's totally redundant. And the fact that we have to use that

00:14:01.740 phrase at all just shows how confused everything is. There's yeah. Biological male. There is no other

00:14:06.660 kind of male. It's of course it's biological. Uh, but anyway, I wanted to find an article defending,

00:14:13.900 um, this whole, this whole thing. You would think considering we, we, we see this happening across

00:14:19.940 the country with boys being allowed to compete against girls. I mean, there must be people who

00:14:25.800 agree with it. There must be some kind of argument in favor of it, considering the fact that it's

00:14:30.900 happening everywhere. And I was legitimate, legitimately curious what a person could possibly

00:14:36.740 say. What kind of argument could you possibly string together to support this madness? But as

00:14:43.920 I was looking on Google, I had a really hard time finding a defense of it anywhere. This isn't the

00:14:50.440 kind of, although you have, uh, although the left generally speaking, uh, seems to support this.

00:15:00.900 Rarely will you find any individual leftist who will, who will, who will speak up and actually

00:15:09.480 offer a defense of it. And I had trouble finding it. Uh, I did eventually find something in a

00:15:15.540 publication called the nation relatively well-known. Um, and it's about the, uh, Naritalova thing

00:15:21.520 written by someone who thinks that she's a transphobe and she's wrong for, um, wanting to exclude men

00:15:27.040 from women's sports. Here is the article. Here's the argument that this article makes. I'm going to

00:15:32.660 read, read from it. It says, um, the reality, I can't even keep a straight face. It starts with

00:15:41.980 the reality. The reality is that there is no scientific data showing that trans women are

00:15:48.580 more likely to be successful in women's sports. There is no scientific data showing that men are

00:15:55.220 more successful in sports. There's also zero evidence that there's a push by trans women to

00:15:59.800 take over the women's sports world. The denial of their right to take part in sports only leads to

00:16:04.580 further marginalization and oppression. The fear that they are somehow encroaching on women athletes

00:16:08.680 is actually a definition of transphobia. So you see how there's no argument here. This person just

00:16:15.640 immediately transitions to the emotional appeal of, well, it's oppression. It makes transgender people

00:16:20.540 feel bad about themselves. It's transphobia immediately pivots to emotions, labels, and all

00:16:27.260 of that. Um, the most that they can do is very briefly deny reality by saying there's no scientific

00:16:34.540 data. That's the argument. The argument is, is it's not an argument at all. It's just, the argument is to

00:16:40.640 look at reality and say, no, that's not real. The argument is looking at a, at a, at a solid wall.

00:16:48.880 Like I'm looking at that wall right there and saying, no, there's no wall there. It's not there.

00:16:53.540 That's my argument. I believe that there's no wall there. I mean, no, no scientific data. There is no

00:17:01.120 scientific data that men have an advantage over women in sports. Uh, they're not even trying. They're

00:17:09.260 not even trying to come up with a, with a, even halfway convincing argument. They may as well say that

00:17:16.600 there's no scientific data, uh, proving that a person in water is more likely to drown than a

00:17:22.540 person on dry land. It's a total non sequitur. But if I really have to get into this, um, here's some

00:17:28.540 scientific data. A man's leg is 80% muscle. A woman's leg is 60% muscle. Um, men have larger fast

00:17:38.600 twitch muscle fibers. Men have less body fat. Men have 20 times more testosterone. Do you know what that is?

00:17:45.080 Natural steroids. Men are on steroids naturally. Um, they have 20 times more of that, uh, steroid in

00:17:52.740 their body and I'm not done. Men have larger hearts. Men have larger lungs. They have longer legs. They

00:17:59.160 have smaller hips. They are literally, literally built to be faster and stronger. They have dozens,

00:18:08.240 dozens of biological advantages, if not more, if not hundreds of biological advantages. Um, women

00:18:14.500 literally have no chance, none, if they have to compete against men. Um, if for instance,

00:18:23.660 the floodgates were opened and women's, uh, let's say the women's NCAA basketball league, uh, was, um,

00:18:31.660 were to be fully integrated. Uh, well, no woman would ever see the court ever again. It's the end of

00:18:39.780 women's sports. Here, here, here's the, here's the real reality. The worst man in the NBA is going

00:18:52.360 to be considerably better than the best woman in the WNBA. Just a fact. Uh, that is how vast is the

00:19:03.420 chasm between men and women when it comes to, to athletics. And again, this is biological. That's

00:19:12.360 all it is. It is a biological reality. I mean, there's nothing we could do about the fact that

00:19:18.480 men literally their legs are made of more muscle and they have bigger hearts and bigger lungs and,

00:19:25.580 and all of that longer legs. I mean, it's just, you could be a, you could wish that wasn't the case.

00:19:32.120 You can, you can be opposed to it all you want. You could write it on a sign saying no more men with,

00:19:38.180 uh, more muscle in their legs. I mean, you can do what you want, but it still is going to remain

00:19:42.980 the reality. And everyone knows this. That's the thing. That's the point here is everybody knows.

00:19:51.980 I, I honestly, I doubt that there is

00:19:57.040 any, even halfway sane person in the country who actually thinks that it's fair and reasonable to

00:20:08.420 have men competing against women. There are some people who will pretend they think it's okay,

00:20:15.380 but I don't even believe them because just like what you, what I just read,

00:20:19.700 when you listen to their argument, they have no argument at all. Uh, so there's simply no way

00:20:27.200 they're convinced by what they're saying. They think they have to, um, have this, uh, opinion.

00:20:37.460 But why is it? Why is the tiniest fringed minority, a group of people making an argument so insane,

00:20:45.140 so baseless, so lacking in common sense that it literally cannot be defended?

00:20:52.560 Why is this group allowed to impose itself on us?

00:20:57.440 If almost all of us agree that this is crazy, uh, and we, and if almost all of us can recognize

00:21:04.880 the basic biological advantages that men have, first of all, the basic biological difference

00:21:10.460 between men and women and the, the advantages that those differences bestow on men in the field

00:21:17.440 of athletics, if we, almost all of us can recognize that, then why is it that this stuff is happening?

00:21:24.280 Well, I, I asked that question kind of in passing, uh, a few days ago on the show. I didn't really

00:21:28.720 answer it. So here's the answer. Uh, the answer is that this very small fringe minority, um,

00:21:37.380 and this is, when I talk about the fringe minority, I'm talking about mostly about people who pretend

00:21:44.000 to think that this is okay. Because as I said, I don't, I'm not sure that there's anyone who really

00:21:48.620 thinks it's okay. Um, and that minority, even though they are a minority, they happen to control all of

00:21:58.620 the major institutions. They happen to control academia, um, the media, Hollywood, and they're in

00:22:06.340 control of an entire political party. Uh, one of the two major parties, a Democrat party. So

00:22:11.740 that's how, that's how they've done it. Um, that's how this really fringe, radical, wacko idea

00:22:22.380 has somehow, uh, invaded our culture and sort of set up camp.

00:22:32.020 But, but, but, but here's the, here's the really sad thing. It's, it's that even though you have

00:22:45.560 these institutions that are pushing this idea and those institutions are very powerful and they're

00:22:53.300 run by powerful people, the fact still remains that if all of us who disagree, if we were really

00:23:01.700 vocal about it and really opposed, and we actually stood up and said, no, well, this stuff wouldn't

00:23:07.860 be happening. Uh, whenever in any case, when you've got, you know, in any state or in any school

00:23:15.820 district, when they start doing this, if all of the people who think it's crazy actually stood up and

00:23:23.980 said, no, absolutely not, this is crazy, we will not tolerate it. And if the parents started saying,

00:23:31.720 if you do that, I'm pulling my, my, my daughter out of the sport, you bring boys in, we're, the sport's

00:23:37.240 going to be over. That's what's going to happen. If everyone said that, if everyone did that, then

00:23:43.120 this stuff wouldn't be happening. So yes, it's a small minority in the major powerful institutions

00:23:49.820 that are imposing this on us, but we are allowing it to be imposed on us. We are just lying down and

00:23:58.120 saying, okay, so I got, gee, I really think that this is kind of nuts guys, but, uh, all right. I

00:24:04.100 don't want to, I don't want to be labeled a transphobe. Look, you got to get to a point where those kinds

00:24:10.960 of labels, the label transphobe means nothing to me. I don't care about that label. I am not offended by

00:24:18.200 it. I don't care. It is the stupidest label. It has no meaning whatsoever. Yeah. I'm a transphobe

00:24:24.780 because I think men are men and women are women. Fine. Go ahead. I don't, I really don't care. It

00:24:28.480 means not. I mean, you got to get to a point where that label just does not bother you at all. It means

00:24:33.940 nothing. I don't care. You can shout it and you could cry all you want. It does not matter to me.

00:24:41.460 And I think we all need to get to that point where when people start shouting, that's transphobia,

00:24:48.260 you know what you do? You laugh at that. You laugh at it, treat it with contempt.

00:24:56.580 And that's the other problem is that I think there are people who think, uh, well-meaning people,

00:25:01.240 but they think that, you know, we, yeah, I'm opposed to it, but we got to be delicate and careful. And,

00:25:07.320 uh, you know, we gotta be diplomatic about it. We don't want to hurt people's feelings.

00:25:09.780 No, we're, we're past that now. We're past that. Uh, the, the greater concern, look,

00:25:14.140 the, the concern is the girl that the clip I played for you, the girl who's these girls that

00:25:18.940 are being cheated. Um, it's their feelings that we should be concerned about those two dudes who,

00:25:26.260 I have no concern for their feelings at all. None. I don't care. And I know you might say, well,

00:25:31.640 that's, that's, that's cruel. That's, that's not right. I don't care about their feelings.

00:25:35.060 They are cheaters. And you know, the other thing, they know what they're doing.

00:25:38.980 Now they might have mental problems, uh, that they think that they're girls when they're not.

00:25:42.740 Uh, so, so, so maybe they, maybe they do, maybe they don't. And they're just straight up cheating.

00:25:47.380 They realize that they, they realize they can't hack it against the boys. So they're doing this.

00:25:50.980 It's just total self-interest. That could be the case. Maybe they do have some, some real mental

00:25:56.200 issues, but, um, that doesn't let them off the hook morally. They know what they're doing.

00:26:00.680 Um, they know that they, as soon as they step on the, on the, uh, on the track, uh, they have removed

00:26:06.920 any chance that any of these girls have to, to, to succeed. And they know that

00:26:13.200 and they are being totally selfish. And so what I should care about their feelings

00:26:22.700 as they act selfishly and they cheat, I don't. All right. Uh, let's see, moving on. This was funny.

00:26:32.660 Uh, usually I, I save my emails for the end of the show, but I wanted to share

00:26:36.760 two emails with you right now. These are both in, um, reaction to my show yesterday.

00:26:44.380 Um, so let me read the first one. The first one says, Matt, what has happened to you? You,

00:26:50.760 you, you've become a shameless Trump booster. I never thought you would sell your soul to the

00:26:54.740 Trump cult, but that is what has happened. You should be ashamed of yourself. I've unfollowed

00:26:59.000 you on all platforms. I know you won't care, but I thought I'd tell you anyway.

00:27:04.500 Okay. That was the first email. Second one, dear Matt, your never Trump bull S is too much to

00:27:10.940 stomach. You can't seem to ever give the president a break. He's trying to fix this country. All you

00:27:15.480 do is criticize him. Sorry, but I'm done with you. So now it's just funny because that's in reaction

00:27:21.880 to the same show. It appears that I am a never Trump, Trump boosting, Trump hating, Trump loving,

00:27:27.920 Trump cultist with Trump derangement syndrome. That's, it's a very complex condition that I have.

00:27:33.520 I'm used to these kinds of emails. Of course, I've been getting them for three years. Usually though,

00:27:37.260 it fluctuates day to day or week to week, depending on what's in the news.

00:27:40.240 It was funny to get to, to get the two versions, the two competing versions in the same day.

00:27:45.160 And that was because yesterday on my show, I offered a defense of Trump in regards to the

00:27:50.120 Cohen hearings. And I said that the hearings only helped to vindicate Trump from any claims that he

00:27:55.300 engaged in any kind of criminal behavior. So I said that, but then I also, I criticized Trump for his

00:28:02.860 performance in North Korea, especially when he lied for Kim Jong-un and provided cover for him when he,

00:28:09.100 Trump was asked about North Korea torturing an American citizen to death. And Trump claimed

00:28:14.400 that Kim Jong-un didn't know that that was happening. And, and he was, he was really upset

00:28:20.220 about it, which is just untrue, of course. And it is a lie. Um, and it is a lie for the sake of a

00:28:28.380 murderous dictator. So I criticized Trump for that as any rational person would and should.

00:28:33.680 I defended Trump on the Cohen hearings because it's clear to me that Cohen

00:28:38.800 has nothing on Trump. And moreover, I'm very disturbed by what the Democrats are doing here.

00:28:43.800 The precedent they're setting by refusing to accept the results of a free and fair election

00:28:48.340 and instead doing everything they can, throwing anything they can against the wall

00:28:51.680 to try to get rid of the president. I find that to be a very dangerous precedent.

00:28:55.480 Um, how, how is it that I could draw a Trump favorable conclusion on one issue,

00:29:08.520 but then a Trump negative conclusion on the other? Well, because for me, I don't judge things

00:29:15.720 based on the fact of Trump being involved. That for me is not the, is not what everything hinges on.

00:29:23.640 Um, I assess what I think the actual truth of the matter is. And then I draw my conclusions from

00:29:34.080 there. If Trump is on the wrong side of that line, then I criticize him. If he's on the right side of

00:29:39.660 it, then I defend him. You know, someone actually told me recently that this approach is a cop-out

00:29:46.120 and this was a Trump fan saying this. And he felt basically that my moral obligation is to bow at

00:29:53.360 the altar of Trump and to support everything he does no matter what, because Trump is Lord God and

00:29:57.800 savior. Uh, I've also heard a similar thing in reverse from liberals saying that it's a cop-out to

00:30:03.900 support Trump when he does good things because Trump is Beezlebub. Trump is Satan. Trump is, uh,

00:30:09.720 is Lucifer. I find both of these attitudes, not just wrong, but ridiculous and not just ridiculous,

00:30:17.140 but embarrassing and not just embarrassing, but un-American and not just un-American, but morally

00:30:22.280 and intellectually reprehensible. It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. And I, I, I don't

00:30:32.360 understand why so many people struggle with this. You don't, you don't need to have one line about

00:30:43.100 Donald Trump. I think here's the point. If you find that you always criticize Trump, no matter what

00:30:52.460 he does, that's a good hint that you aren't using your brain. And if you find that you always defend

00:30:59.000 Trump, no matter what he does, that is also a good hint that you aren't using your brain.

00:31:03.940 And in conclusion, I would say, um, let's all use our brains instead. How about that? Let's just use

00:31:11.520 our brains and, and, and look at any particular situation and, uh, assess it on the merits.

00:31:24.340 That's what we're supposed, especially as Americans, that's, that's what we're supposed to do.

00:31:29.000 Um, in that as Americans, um, we are supposed to be always skeptical, uh, and critical of our

00:31:40.740 leaders to be a fan, to be a fan of a politician there. In my opinion, there is no place for that

00:31:47.780 in America. You should never, if you find yourself grabbing the pom-poms and becoming a cheerleader for

00:31:53.700 a politician, uh, that is a, that's a bad sign. That's, uh, that is not what our founders had in

00:32:00.420 mind. That's what they do over where, you know, in dictatorships and monarchies and all that, that

00:32:06.580 we escaped that system. And in our system, a politician is supposed to be a public servant.

00:32:12.500 They're supposed to be serving us. And so we are in a position where we can look at them and say,

00:32:17.820 no, I don't, I don't agree with how you are serving us. And I'm going to tell you. Um,

00:32:24.820 but there's an equal and opposite, uh, approach, which is, as I said, to, to look at a politician

00:32:33.740 because they're in the wrong party or for whatever reason, and to see them as evil incarnate and to only

00:32:40.520 be critical of them. And I think that also is, uh, is very, is very silly way of going about it.

00:32:45.300 All right. Uh, let me get to some of your emails before we wrap up today.

00:32:49.100 Matt wall show at gmail.com. Matt wall show at gmail.com is the email address.

00:32:53.200 Uh, this is from Ronald. He says, hi, Matt, big fan of the show. Do you think the government

00:32:57.020 should be involved in protecting marriage? Ben Shapiro says no, because the government has done

00:33:02.300 a bad job. I personally do not buy that argument. We, uh, rightly let the government protect life and

00:33:08.500 private property. Despite the government's frequently poor record, marriage like life and property is

00:33:13.400 foundational to society. Shouldn't the government therefore protect marriage as well? Um, well,

00:33:19.920 Ronald, I wouldn't phrase it that way. I think that this, uh, protect marriage thing is kind of a false

00:33:26.040 premise. The government, um, does not need to protect marriage. The government rather should

00:33:31.240 recognize, uh, marriage, recognize it for what it actually is by definition for what it necessarily

00:33:37.760 must be, which is a union between a man and a woman. And as you say, the foundation, uh, for, for,

00:33:46.160 uh, for human civilization and the foundation for the family. When I say recognize, I mean,

00:33:54.380 just that recognize, recognize what marriage is legally. And the government doesn't need to do

00:34:00.200 much more than that. That was my argument the whole time before, before the Supreme court decision.

00:34:05.120 Now it's sort of a moot point. But, um, before that point, what I was saying is, first of all,

00:34:12.440 we're not looking to make gay marriage illegal. That's not the point. We're not looking to, uh,

00:34:19.560 turn the government into some sort of theocratic defender of biblical marriage. This isn't about

00:34:25.940 biblical marriage at all. In fact, this is just about marriage. Marriage is a certain thing. It

00:34:32.820 performs a certain function. It has a certain purpose. And if you get rid of that purpose and

00:34:38.360 that function, then it's, then marriage is nothing. It doesn't mean anything anymore. There's

00:34:41.580 no reason for it. It serves no purpose. So if marriage is going to be anything, and if it's going

00:34:47.820 to have any purpose whatsoever, then it must be a union between a man and a woman. If you take that

00:34:53.520 away, the marriage is, is what will people say? It's a people that love each other. It's a union

00:34:57.440 between people that love each other. Well, that's, you can, you can get together with whoever you want

00:35:02.780 and love them. It's not, it's not an issue for public concern. We don't need the government. We

00:35:07.860 don't, we don't need the government involved in that at all. Um, you don't need a, you don't need

00:35:13.520 a label for that. You don't need a ceremony. You don't need anything. If you want to, if you want to

00:35:18.440 love somebody, you don't, you don't need anything for that. You just love them, right? The whole idea of

00:35:22.980 marriage, the reason why we have the documentation and the ceremony and all of the stuff surrounding

00:35:27.460 it is that it's not just about love. In fact, uh, in fact, I mean, sometimes in a marriage, people

00:35:36.040 will go through a, a, a tough period where, uh, well, they still love each other because love is

00:35:41.460 an act of choice, but they may even go through periods where they have very little affection for

00:35:46.460 each other. Um, yet they're still married because marriage is more than that. Marriage is about

00:35:53.060 being the foundation for the family. Uh, and so I think our argument as defenders of this

00:36:02.020 was, or should have been, uh, that we just want the government to recognize that this is what marriage

00:36:07.880 is. Um, all right. So, you know, it's kind of splitting hairs a little bit, but I think it's

00:36:16.260 an important point. This is from Jesse says, uh, hi Matt. It's interesting to me that you talked

00:36:19.920 about ectopic pregnancy today because just yesterday, my wife and I had a conversation

00:36:23.540 about that very subject. We are both pro-life, but agree that in cases like ectopic pregnancy,

00:36:28.520 abortion may be regrettably necessary, but suppose they come up with a procedure where they can relocate

00:36:33.960 an ectopic pregnancy to the uterus. So the pregnancy can go to term healthily. Should we require women

00:36:39.620 to get that surgery rather than an abortion for the purpose of this thought experiment? Let's say

00:36:44.180 that the abortion is a simple drug and the procedure is an open surgery, uh, with the attendant risks that

00:36:49.860 go along with that. That's an interesting hypothetical. First of all, just to, I guess, speaking of splitting

00:36:55.420 hairs, um, as I, I won't get into the whole thing again, but as I explained yesterday, uh,

00:37:02.540 when a woman is, is taking care of an ectopic pregnancy so that, you know, she doesn't have a

00:37:09.060 burst, a fallopian tube burst and bleed to death, I don't think, I don't, I wouldn't call that abortion.

00:37:15.520 Um, that's sort of talking about the principle of double effect and everything. Um, I would say

00:37:20.080 that that is not, that is not an abortion. Uh, although, although it has a, although it has the

00:37:25.540 same result, uh, because the intention is entirely different. Whereas an abortion, in an abortion,

00:37:33.540 you are just directly killing a child because you don't want the child. That's, that's, that's what

00:37:37.860 an abortion is. That's not the case with an ectopic pregnancy. Although I know what you're saying.

00:37:41.680 As to your, as to your hypothetical, I would say that it's an interesting hypothetical. I would say

00:37:45.740 that, yes, if that technology existed, then, um, I suppose, uh, a couple that found themselves in a

00:37:52.640 situation with an ectopic pregnancy, I think they would have a moral obligation to get that

00:37:56.280 procedure. Um, the whole point with an ectopic pregnancy as it stands now is that there is no

00:38:01.280 way to save the pregnancy. There's nothing you can do. Uh, and if you do nothing, then the woman could

00:38:06.460 die. So that's the whole reason why it becomes relatively clear cut case. But if you could save

00:38:14.500 the pregnancy, then I think you would have the moral obligation to do that. Uh, let's see, I got a lot

00:38:18.780 of emails about the ectopic pregnancy discussion. They were all very interesting.

00:38:22.640 Um, but running out of time, so I can't read all of them. Uh, let's see, I'll read, uh,

00:38:33.380 this is from father Greg. He says, I'm a long time listener of your podcast. And while I don't always

00:38:37.220 agree with you, uh, you, I can at least see the internal logic of your position when I disagree

00:38:42.540 in your discussion of the principle of double effect, you missed one essential element.

00:38:46.700 The positive or desired effect cannot flow from the negative effect. That is why you missed the moral

00:38:51.400 distinction between the remote removal of the fallopian tube and the direct abortion. In the

00:38:55.920 case of the removal of the fallopian tube, you remove the tube and the child dies due to a lack

00:38:59.820 of ability to sustain its life. The positive effect, the mother's health outcome flows from

00:39:04.620 the tubal removal and the secondary effect, the death of the child remains morally distinct, even

00:39:09.360 though it is foreseen. Whereas in the case of the direct abortion, the positive outcome directly flows

00:39:14.480 from the death of the child. The mother's health is maintained because the child is killed.

00:39:18.180 It is not the case that you do not intend to kill the child in this instance. Uh, it, it may be the

00:39:23.400 case that you only intend to kill the child because you do not see another reasonable option and

00:39:27.700 therefore do it reluctantly. However, the intended purpose of abortion remains the same. The key

00:39:32.480 principle of the effects remaining morally distinct is what distinguishes the principle of double effect

00:39:37.260 for the simple logic of the ends justifying the means. Uh, I understand the distinction of your

00:39:42.280 arguments. Uh, I would only counter that the reason why you say it's morally acceptable to remove the

00:39:49.000 fallopian tube is the intention. Correct me if I'm wrong. What you're saying is the intention is to

00:39:54.700 remove a block. The intention, the act of the intention is let's remove this blocked fallopian tube,

00:40:00.220 right? The fact that it is blocked with a pregnancy is a very tragic, but secondary fact.

00:40:07.420 Well, I would say that the point of the drug is the same. Uh, the drug is, um, only without the

00:40:16.480 medically unnecessary surgery. So the, the point of the drug is to clear out a blocked fallopian tube

00:40:22.300 for the sake of protecting the mother's life and preventing a rupture that would kill her.

00:40:26.800 Um, and it happens tragically that there is a life that a life is part of what is blocking the

00:40:33.320 fallopian tube. But that is not the direct intention. The direct intention, again, is to clear out this,

00:40:40.180 uh, tube that if you don't, it, it will rupture. Um, so that I think you could argue that

00:40:47.840 the, you know, sort of the ending of the pregnancy is a, is a secondary fact. Um,

00:40:54.900 so it seems to me that, that taking the drug is as much of a direct attack on life as removing the

00:41:03.640 tube. Uh, I, I could be wrong, but that's just, that's just how it seems to me. Um,

00:41:10.380 finally, this is from Jerry. Uh, it says, Matt, I shouldn't even be answering this, but Matt,

00:41:20.580 what is the most frustrating thing about women in your experience? What's the most frustrating

00:41:27.120 thing about women in your experience? This is a trap. Uh, I should, I, but I will fall for it.

00:41:33.060 I'll tell you, I'll tell you what is, I'll tell you what, in my wife's case, I'll tell you what the

00:41:38.260 most frustrating thing about her is. Um, I don't know if this is true for every woman, but I suspect

00:41:44.680 it probably is. And, and, and, and here's the problem. My wife has an amazing memory. Uh, she

00:41:52.060 remembers everything, everything. She, there's, I don't think she's ever forgotten anything in her

00:41:57.940 life. She remembers every detail from the moment of her conception. Okay. She remembers everything

00:42:03.680 that's ever happened to her. And, um, on the other hand, I forget everything. Now, if you were to ask

00:42:10.960 her, what is the most frustrating thing about me? She would have a really difficult time deciding.

00:42:16.240 But I think one of the things she would mention is that I forget everything. I have a bad memory.

00:42:21.580 Um, so I am citing this as more of a defense mechanism. What I'm saying is no, no, no. The

00:42:26.760 problem isn't that I forget everything. The problem is that you remember, you see, if we both just forgot

00:42:30.680 everything all the time, then it would be like memento. And, and every single day is, is a new

00:42:35.020 adventure. It'd be like groundhog's day. Every day is a new adventure. Uh, you know, so, so, so,

00:42:39.920 and it would, it would solve a lot of problems. The problem with her memory is twofold. One,

00:42:45.540 it's hard for me to win arguments, uh, because, you know, she, she, so just as an example, a few

00:42:51.980 days ago, my wife was, uh, having back problems and she kept mentioning this part of her back that

00:42:58.700 was, it was causing her problems, hurting her. And she was telling me specifically, like it's,

00:43:02.940 it's right here in this area. And she was, she was showing me. Well, at night she mentioned it again,

00:43:07.140 that her back was hurting. And so I said, um, I said, Oh, where does it hurt you on your back?

00:43:12.680 And she said, are you kidding? I've been, I've been telling you all day. And then I said, okay,

00:43:18.540 but I mean, come on, you know, I had back problems all the time and it's not like you remember exactly

00:43:22.900 where on my back it hurts. And then she said, uh, yeah, it's right below your left shoulder blade.

00:43:27.500 And I said, okay, uh, you know, uh, let's just forget that point. Let's just move on from that

00:43:36.160 because apparently you do remember. So, and that kind of thing, that kind of thing happens all the

00:43:40.840 time. The other problem with her memory is that she's able to hear, she's able to hear a very long

00:43:46.560 and drawn out story from somebody and retain all of the information that they tell her. And she'll,

00:43:52.740 and she, she has like this little magical elf in her brain that just transcribes everything

00:43:59.320 anyone tells her and then files it away in a filing cabinet. I don't have that elf and it's

00:44:04.780 not my fault. I don't have the magical elf. I don't know where she got it. Uh, I don't know if

00:44:08.960 she was born with it. I don't have it. And that's not my fault. So when she wants to relay information

00:44:14.920 to me, she will, she forgets sometimes. This is the one thing she does forget. She forgets that I

00:44:20.580 don't have the elf. So she'll, she'll tell me information in the form of this long story.

00:44:27.680 And she'll expect me to remember at the very least the important bits of it. So if she has

00:44:33.680 something important to tell me, she'll eventually get to the important part, but she has to set it up,

00:44:39.180 set the stage, introduce all the major characters, the minor characters. Uh, sometimes she'll go back,

00:44:44.940 she'll do a, you know, uh, she'll kind of do a review of the last episode, you know, last time

00:44:50.560 on, and she'll, she'll do that. And then she'll, and she'll set the, give me, describe the setting

00:44:55.560 and everything. Um, sometimes she begins with this lengthy preamble. Um, sometimes, sometimes it'll

00:45:01.800 be a story for her. We'll begin like the beginning of 2001, a space odyssey where it'll begin with like

00:45:08.280 the big bang and the dinosaurs, and she'll slowly make her way weaving everything together. And then

00:45:14.040 she'll make her way to the incident she wants to describe to me. And she's a brilliant storyteller.

00:45:19.940 But, uh, by the time she gets to the important part, I'm a million miles away in my head. I,

00:45:26.480 it's been information overload and I'm overwhelmed. And then I get in trouble three hours later when I

00:45:31.620 ask her something that she already covered in the story she told me. And she'll go, really? I just

00:45:39.260 told you that. And then I'll say, yeah, but I got lost around the time when you were talking about

00:45:43.620 the French revolution. I got lost somewhere around there. I didn't make it to modern, to modern times.

00:45:49.140 So this is why I asked my wife and, and all women I think could do this as well. Um, any story that

00:45:57.960 you tell a man begin with the major bullet points begin like a, you know, like the reports you used

00:46:05.660 to do in high school and grade school, uh, begin like that, where it's like in this report, I am going

00:46:10.700 to tell you ABC. And so you start with that and then I can lock that away in my brain. It's like,

00:46:16.400 okay, I got that ABC, right? Boom. Got it. It's in there. And then you can get into the whole story

00:46:21.440 and the whole, the whole long essay and the, you know, the chapter book and all of that.

00:46:25.580 And I'll pick up bits and pieces of that, but I got the main parts here and I won't forget them,

00:46:30.020 but you got to start. So I literally have to tell my wife sometimes before she

00:46:35.600 begins the story, I have to say, okay, hold on a second, give me the bullet points first.

00:46:39.040 And then she'll give me the bullet points and then she'll tell the story. And I found that that,

00:46:43.740 um, that that works. So I, you know, I think maybe that's something all, all women could

00:46:47.440 think about doing. There is my, uh, my answer. You thought I wouldn't answer that question,

00:46:52.500 but I did. Uh, all right. And if my wife ever listens to this segment of the show,

00:46:58.640 she will remember, she'll remember it that I know. I'll leave it there. Hope you guys have a

00:47:04.720 great weekend. Godspeed. Today on the Ben Shapiro show, Democrats become even more radical as Joe

00:47:16.720 Biden prepares to jump into the 2020 race. Ilhan Omar, another fresh face resets her antisemitism

00:47:22.360 clock to zero. And we checked the mailbag. That's today on the Ben Shapiro show.

The Matt Walsh Show - March 01, 2019

Ep. 209 - When Will The Sane Majority Stand Up？

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