The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 210 - What Socialists And Toddlers Have In Common

00:00:00.000 Today on The Matt Walsh Show, I have noticed a startling similarity between my two-year-old son and socialists, and I want to explain.

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00:00:19.400 So why are his fans still defending him? We'll try to get to the bottom of that.

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00:03:15.360 Okay, so my two-year-old son has a routine at night that he's grown really attached to and accustomed to.

00:03:26.340 And the routine is that my wife will bring him into his room and read him a story and put him down to bed,

00:03:34.640 and then she'll leave, and then I come in separately, and I give him a hug, and I say good night.

00:03:40.300 And he really wants that individual attention from each of us.

00:03:44.500 That's just what his routine is.

00:03:46.420 And any parent with a young kid, you know, they get a certain routine, especially at night,

00:03:51.320 and they need that routine every night in order to go to bed.

00:03:54.700 And what I do is, you know, I go in there, and I give him a hug, and I always ask him.

00:04:00.540 Every night I ask him, what did you do today?

00:04:03.100 That was the question I ask him every night, even if I was with him all day.

00:04:06.760 And so I know what he did.

00:04:07.580 I still ask him, what did you do?

00:04:09.380 Because I think it's good to try and teach kids how to answer a simple question like that,

00:04:14.980 how to remember things sequentially and recount them to you.

00:04:19.100 And it's also funny and kind of sweet at this age, though, because he can't think that way yet.

00:04:26.940 I'm trying to sort of teach him, but he's not there yet at this age.

00:04:30.480 He can't really remember in a logical, sequential kind of way what happened or what he did during a particular day.

00:04:39.200 So when I ask him this question, he'll always tell me some story.

00:04:45.000 And it's always a story that definitely did not actually occur in real life during that day.

00:04:51.020 So when I ask him, what did you do today?

00:04:52.640 He might say, go to Jump House.

00:04:54.940 Or he might say, zoo, zoo, we go to zoo.

00:04:58.660 Or he'll say that he went to Nana's house or, you know, he'll just make up some story.

00:05:05.000 And sometimes he'll even expand on the story.

00:05:07.000 He'll say Nana's house, ice cream, ice cream at Nana's house, saying he had ice cream at Nana's house.

00:05:13.540 And he'll say those things, even if he definitely did not do any of those things.

00:05:18.400 But then if we actually go to like, if we actually went to the zoo and I ask him, what did you do today?

00:05:23.360 He won't say he went to the zoo.

00:05:24.600 He'll come up with some other, other thing.

00:05:26.840 And why is that?

00:05:27.780 Well, because kids, when they're two years old, right, they can't distinguish what they wish was the reality from what actually is the reality.

00:05:43.020 They literally cannot tell the difference.

00:05:45.820 So for him, when you ask him, what did you do today?

00:05:48.500 What he hears is, what did you wish you did?

00:05:51.040 Or what would you like to have done?

00:05:53.280 Or just tell me a story like that?

00:05:56.920 He can't tell.

00:05:58.060 That's how he hears it.

00:05:59.280 He can't tell the difference between those things.

00:06:01.120 So a child at this age literally psychologically cannot distinguish desire from reality.

00:06:08.180 And that's one of the reasons why a two-year-old kid, they have these temper tantrums where they ask for something and then you don't give it to them right away.

00:06:14.820 And they just have a total meltdown because they really don't understand why it is, you know, when he comes in and asks for some juice and you say, well, we don't have juice or wait a minute.

00:06:24.920 I'll get you juice in a minute.

00:06:25.840 And he starts melting down.

00:06:28.060 It's because he really doesn't understand.

00:06:29.800 It's like he wants juice.

00:06:30.940 Why isn't there juice in his hand right now?

00:06:32.480 He just asked for it.

00:06:33.480 So why isn't there?

00:06:34.360 He really doesn't understand it.

00:06:35.720 And so there's this, so everything goes haywired in his brain and then he melts down and freaks out.

00:06:40.780 So this is also why with kids, little kids, they'll say something that isn't true, but you can't say that they're lying.

00:06:52.500 They aren't capable of lying.

00:06:53.860 So if a kid knocks over a glass and it breaks and the milk spills everywhere and then you say to them, did you just knock that glass over?

00:07:04.440 And they say, no, if the kid is three years old, two or three years old, that's not a lie in the child's mind.

00:07:12.620 He wishes that he had not knocked it over.

00:07:15.600 And so when he says, I didn't knock it over, it's the same thing because he wishes he hadn't done that.

00:07:22.620 It means that he didn't do that.

00:07:23.880 So as I've noticed this feature in little kids, and it's very endearing and pretty hilarious when a child is two or three, but as I've noticed it in my kids, I can't help but notice how so many adults in our culture today also do the same thing.

00:07:46.820 And it's kind of scary when you're a parent and you see the way little children behave, it gives you such an insight into how adults behave, especially these days in our culture, except it's not nearly as endearing or funny for adults.

00:08:05.160 In fact, it's not endearing or funny at all.

00:08:06.620 But it seems to me that a lot of adults are similar in that they struggle to see the distinction between what they want to be true and what is true.

00:08:18.540 So take, for example, the alleged grownups who advocate for the government to forgive student loans.

00:08:26.420 When I hear these people talking and explaining their point of view, I always think of my two-year-old son.

00:08:33.200 They're acting exactly the same way.

00:08:36.620 And they say, well, the government should just make this go away.

00:08:41.000 A trillion dollars in student loans.

00:08:42.540 The government should just take care of that. 0.99

00:08:44.000 I shouldn't have to pay it.

00:08:45.740 The government should pay it.

00:08:48.240 Money that people chose to borrow of their own free will and volition, they shouldn't have to pay that back.

00:08:52.800 I shouldn't have to pay it back.

00:08:53.700 The government should just take care of it. 0.99

00:08:55.840 And then you say, you know, you might argue back, well, that can't happen.

00:09:00.540 It would be a disaster.

00:09:01.480 The government can't just do that.

00:09:03.320 It can't take money.

00:09:04.320 The money has to come from somewhere.

00:09:06.100 So if you're asking for the government to forgive your student loans, what you're saying is the government should take money from people who did not take out those loans and use it to pay off the loans that you took out.

00:09:19.940 That can't happen.

00:09:20.980 It doesn't make any sense.

00:09:21.820 It wouldn't be fair.

00:09:22.640 It would be economically disastrous.

00:09:24.420 It just, it can't happen.

00:09:27.000 It's crazy.

00:09:28.680 But the people advocating this, they have no argument in reply.

00:09:33.460 They have no reasons.

00:09:34.300 It's just, I want it to be this way, so it should be.

00:09:38.200 So you'll notice that there are reasons for why the government should forgive student loans.

00:09:49.420 There are reasons never have anything to do with feasibility or, or economics or even, or even really justice or anything like that.

00:09:58.980 It's just, it's just, their reasons all have to do with how it would benefit them personally.

00:10:06.120 And so when you're trying to argue with them about, you're, you're trying to talk about the issue on sort of a grander scale.

00:10:12.360 All they want to talk about is, well, well, yeah, but I mean, I'm, I'm having trouble paying my rent because of my student loans.

00:10:20.200 So, and you say, yeah, but that's, so what?

00:10:24.200 That doesn't mean, what do you mean?

00:10:26.160 So what, but I, but this is a problem in my life.

00:10:28.900 And so it should just be solved.

00:10:32.600 Socialism is gaining popularity, especially in the younger generations on this same basis.

00:10:37.720 People who just never, their mentality never developed past the age of two or three.

00:10:47.680 There are people who, who want socialism to work, insist that it will work because they want it to.

00:10:57.020 Not able to distinguish between what they want and what actually is.

00:11:01.500 So they say we need to have socialism and you point out that all of these socialist systems throughout the last 100 or so years have resulted in calamity and death on an astronomical scale.

00:11:13.820 You tell them to read the Gulag Archipelago.

00:11:16.080 You tell them to read about Venezuela, look at North Korea.

00:11:18.860 You give all this evidence, but it doesn't matter.

00:11:22.540 They want socialism to bring about a utopia.

00:11:24.880 So it will.

00:11:25.560 The fact that it never has before doesn't matter.

00:11:27.460 The fact that it has resulted in, in tragedy and travesty and death doesn't matter.

00:11:34.800 The fact that we can look at all of these other countries and see real world examples and see how horrifying they are doesn't matter.

00:11:42.380 None of that matters.

00:11:43.760 You can show them pictures of the socialist bread lines and that doesn't matter because in their minds, all they're thinking is, well, yeah, but, but that's, I want it to be different.

00:11:54.100 And so it will be, um, I think the, the green new deal is the most prominent and striking example of this mentality.

00:12:05.900 Have you ever tried speaking to a, a true believer in the green new deal?

00:12:10.520 Have you tried talking to them about it, getting their reasons for why?

00:12:13.840 And you try to explain, well, you know, it's just not possible.

00:12:18.180 We can't abolish air travel and retrofit every single building in the country and, you know, provide everyone an income, even if they're not working.

00:12:29.220 We just can't do that.

00:12:30.700 It just, the money doesn't exist for it.

00:12:32.620 It would be to even try would be a disaster.

00:12:35.440 But there's this disconnect because all they're thinking is, yeah, but how great would it be if it did work?

00:12:46.900 And because it would be great if it did work, then it will work.

00:12:50.380 So the only remaining question is, is how is it that so many adults have made it to adulthood without developing, without developing the ability to distinguish, um, desire from reality?

00:13:05.420 And I really have no groundbreaking answer to that.

00:13:08.120 I think that, uh, this is just what happens when kids are never told no, um, never disciplined, never given any boundaries, never taught to cope with disappointment.

00:13:17.860 Um, if you raise a kid like that, they will likely end up in jail or a socialist.

00:13:28.480 Uh, and as a parent, I'm really not sure which I would prefer, but I think maybe I'd prefer the former to be honest, but this is, this is just what happens.

00:13:36.520 If I, if I, if I can look at my two or three year old child and see, um, and make these comparisons between him and adults, uh, well, that just shows you, it's like, it's like, if, if it's very cute right now at two or three, but if I never teach him how to actually cope with reality, uh, then that's, that's where it's going to end up.

00:14:06.520 All right.

00:14:08.620 Um, so switch of gears here last night, there was an utterly horrifying, um, though compelling.

00:14:19.740 And I think important documentary that aired, uh, the first part of it aired on HBO, it's called leaving Neverland.

00:14:26.600 And it's about Michael Jackson's monstrous abuse of, uh, two young boys, two young boys were now adult men, um, named, uh, Wade Robson and James Safechuck.

00:14:38.060 Jackson was accused by five boys in total.

00:14:42.320 And this documentary focuses on two of them.

00:14:45.360 And it tells the story about how Michael Jackson would find these kids, groom them, endear himself to their families, kind of set the stage, uh, for, for what comes next.

00:14:56.840 And then he would make his move and the sexual abuse when it began was of course, just, uh, and it was described in graphic detail in the documentary, but it was as, as you would expect, revolting, vile, evil.

00:15:10.320 I mean, just, uh, nightmare inducing now, but I, I'll tell you what, as I was watching this for me, the most shocking aspect of the documentary, aside from the graphic details of the abuse itself.

00:15:25.100 Um, but the most surprising thing to me as someone who was, you know, I was, I was a young kid myself when Jackson's was really at the height of his fame.

00:15:36.700 So I, I never really paid attention to, I didn't really pay attention to Michael Jackson.

00:15:40.360 I never listened to his music.

00:15:41.360 I didn't really care about him.

00:15:43.180 Um, and the whole thing, when I was a kid, I mean, I just, uh, wasn't paying attention to it.

00:15:49.660 So as I'm watching the documentary, it really surprised me to see how Jackson was constantly draped all over young boys in public on camera, constantly all the time.

00:16:02.760 It just was, they've got, they've got just reams of, of, of footage of this guy's walking around with holding hands.

00:16:10.440 You know, he's got his arm around, um, all these random young boys.

00:16:14.980 He groomed these kids in public for the whole world to see, uh, and, and he would have one male companion who went with him everywhere.

00:16:27.540 It wasn't just like the kid showed up at a charity event with him one time.

00:16:31.240 It was like, they would have one kid who was with him for like a year everywhere.

00:16:35.660 They would be on private planes together.

00:16:38.200 They would go to all the shows together.

00:16:40.020 They would just always be together, um, and holding hands, having their arms around each other.

00:16:46.400 And it would be like that for a year.

00:16:47.920 And then, uh, the boy would be replaced by, by another boy who looks strikingly similar, but often was younger.

00:16:55.700 And this was the, this was the, this was the process that would unfold in public for everyone to see.

00:17:01.140 That Michael Jackson would always have a new companion, was always a young boy.

00:17:08.720 They always looked similar.

00:17:10.600 Uh, the companion, he never had an adult companion, uh, that as far as anyone could tell.

00:17:16.420 And it was never a girl, you know, he, he, he would never.

00:17:20.300 So this idea that way, he just loved kids.

00:17:22.100 He was a kid himself.

00:17:23.080 He liked hanging out.

00:17:23.760 Yeah.

00:17:23.940 Well, didn't why, why was, but so what is it?

00:17:26.280 He never had little girls around him though.

00:17:27.840 If you notice that it was always little boys, always little boys.

00:17:31.120 Around the same age, uh, everything's the same.

00:17:37.700 So I look at that now and it wasn't all that long ago, but I think it's hard.

00:17:41.680 I can't even imagine now a world famous pop star who is known to always have young male

00:17:48.840 friends flanking him, friends flanking him.

00:17:52.300 Uh, it's just, but this wasn't all that long ago and this was what was happening in public.

00:17:57.160 And that's the thing here. 1.00

00:17:58.300 You know, Jackson's deranged, cultish, um, idiotic defenders. 1.00

00:18:05.720 And, and, and these people really are just disgusting. 1.00

00:18:09.000 Honestly, they are the people that are, that defend Michael Jackson. 0.97

00:18:11.920 And these people, I have so much disdain for them.

00:18:16.720 Um, but they will, they'll leap to the pedophiles defense and they'll say, Oh, nothing was proven.

00:18:21.600 He was found innocent in court.

00:18:23.720 Okay.

00:18:24.080 First of all, I, I, I, I've heard that over the weekend.

00:18:27.260 I've been talking about this on Twitter a little bit.

00:18:29.740 I've heard that phrase so many times he was proven innocent.

00:18:32.820 No, do you know anything about how the justice system works in this country?

00:18:37.260 He was not proven innocent.

00:18:39.380 That's not what happens.

00:18:41.740 He was, uh, not convicted.

00:18:44.860 He was acquitted.

00:18:46.620 Okay.

00:18:47.180 You're either convicted or not.

00:18:49.100 He was not.

00:18:49.780 But just because a world famous, beloved, mega wealthy pop star with an army of top lawyers managed to secure an acquittal, um, uh, rather than be convicted based on accusations from powerless, nameless kids, that does not mean he's actually innocent.

00:19:13.680 Okay.

00:19:15.400 Okay.

00:19:15.920 Just because a rich and famous person can buy an acquittal for themselves, that does not mean that they're actually innocent.

00:19:23.260 So we can use our brains here, which, which the jury did not do in his, uh, whatever it was, 2005.

00:19:29.540 In that case, the jury didn't use their brains, but we can, we can use our brains and we can see the truth plain as day.

00:19:38.340 So this is the point.

00:19:40.020 Even if you think it's possible that five boys would all accuse him falsely, all telling remarkably similar stories, uh, even if you think it's possible that they're all lying and really look, people are falsely accused.

00:19:55.260 I've said that many times, uh, and there have been recent examples of people being falsely accused, but if you have five separate children over the course of a decade, uh, coming out and accusing you of, of abuse.

00:20:09.660 And telling the same kind of story of abuse with all the same lurid details.

00:20:14.780 Well, the chances that you're innocent are just extremely low.

00:20:21.580 Um, and in fact, I'm trying to think of an example of a person who was accused five times of child molestation and was not a child molester.

00:20:29.640 Uh, I, maybe you could, I can't think of an example, but even if you ignore that fact, and if you ignore the fact that he, that he, uh, that he paid off, uh, you know, at least one of his accusers.

00:20:41.140 So, so even aside from that, we can still convict him in the court of public opinion based on the undeniable and proven facts.

00:20:52.800 So forget about accusations for a minute.

00:20:55.200 There are some undeniable proven facts, facts that even Michael Jackson admitted to.

00:21:01.400 Fact number one, Michael Jackson, a grown man would seek out young male companions.

00:21:07.940 Fact number one, fact number two, Michael Jackson, a grown man would invite these companions over to his house, which was filled with toys and amusement park rides.

00:21:20.560 And he would endear himself to their families and he would give their, their parents money and lavish trips and all this kind of stuff.

00:21:28.920 Fact number three, Michael Jackson, a grown man would invite these young boys into his bed.

00:21:35.920 And this is something that he admitted to on TV.

00:21:40.540 You could watch the footage.

00:21:43.280 Fact number four, that bed where Michael Jackson, a grown man slept with young boys was also right next to his stash of bondage porn.

00:21:51.880 Fact number five, that bed where Michael Jackson, a grown man slept with boys was also in a room behind a locked door at the end of a hallway that was rigged.

00:22:00.440 So that alarms would go off if anybody was approaching.

00:22:03.200 Now, those are all established facts, absolute 100 percent facts.

00:22:11.060 And those right there all by themselves are enough for any sane person to know that Michael Jackson was a predator.

00:22:18.660 That's all you need.

00:22:19.440 You don't need anything else. 1.00

00:22:21.320 Those facts alone tell you everything you need to know unless you are a total, absolute moron. 1.00

00:22:27.540 And then you add in the fact that, what do you know, five of those young boys that Jackson shared a bed with just so happened to accuse him of abuse. 1.00

00:22:37.440 And they all told remarkably similar stories and they even described his porn collection and they even described his genitalia. 0.91

00:22:44.680 When you add those things in, well, then it just becomes overwhelmingly clear. 0.97

00:22:50.580 But my point is that even if no child had ever come forward and accused him of anything, I would still say, based on the facts listed before, I would still conclude that this guy was a predatory creep.

00:23:06.520 Even with no accusations, because there is no other rational explanation, a man, a grown man who seeks out young boys, befriends them, then invites them into his bed.

00:23:21.240 There is no non-horrible explanation for that, none at all.

00:23:26.920 And we all know that.

00:23:28.760 That's the thing. 0.88

00:23:30.300 Even if you are a moronic Michael Jackson defender, you know that if anyone not named Michael Jackson, if let's just say Bob Smith or William Jones or Frank, you know, whoever, had a habit of making friends with seven-year-old boys. 0.90

00:23:51.360 Let's just say that there's a guy in your neighborhood. 0.91

00:23:53.620 Let's say all the same facts apply, the same basic facts, except it's not Michael Jackson, it's Bob Jones and he lives in your neighborhood, Bob Smith and he lives in your neighborhood.

00:24:08.900 Let's say there's a guy, Bob Smith, lives in your neighborhood and he likes to befriend seven-year-old boys and he always has a different seven-year-old boy companion who are not related to him.

00:24:19.000 Not like that's his son or even a nephew or just random boys.

00:24:23.620 And he likes to have sleepovers.

00:24:25.280 Well, he'll invite these young boys over and he likes to invite them into his bed.

00:24:31.100 Now, if that, if those, and those are all facts about Michael Jackson, if those are facts applied to Bob Smith in your neighborhood, you would know with absolute certainty that he was a creep.

00:24:42.100 And you would call the police and you would call the police and then he would go to prison because Bob Smith in your neighborhood wouldn't have the army of lawyers.

00:24:48.940 And he also wouldn't have the advantage of jury members who know him and love his music.

00:24:53.920 Which, obviously, when you've got a guy like Michael Jackson on the jury, you know, ideally you're supposed to try to find people that have never heard of him.

00:25:04.100 But it's just, in 2005, there was no way you would find anyone who had never heard of Michael Jackson.

00:25:09.860 Um, so, you know, if that was Bob Smith, you would know for certain that he was a predatory creep and he would go to jail and that would be it.

00:25:21.060 Yet, uh, as I've established, in spite of this overwhelming evidence that Jackson was a monstrous, horrible, predatory freak, in spite of that, legions of Jackson's fans still defend him. 0.83

00:25:39.560 And they defend him viciously, you know, sending hate mail and death threats to anyone who discusses his pedophilia, swarming like zombies to defend their favorite pop star. 0.99

00:25:50.340 Or so much so that there are, you know, there are a lot of people who just don't even want to touch this subject because they don't want to deal with Michael Jackson's idiot fans. 0.96

00:25:58.800 Well, I happen to, I don't really care about that, which is why I'm, you know, but, um, 0.78

00:26:05.280 and, and, and, and, as I think about this and I just, just trying to wrap my head around, um, these people who, who still defend this guy.

00:26:17.400 Um, I don't know. 1.00

00:26:20.340 And the really revolting thing when I think about it is that these people can't possibly be as stupid as they portray themselves to be. 0.99

00:26:29.800 The, the defenses they offer are so weak and so desperate that there's no way that they actually find their defenses convincing. 1.00

00:26:38.860 Like, I'm not kidding.

00:26:40.580 A Michael Jackson defender sent me last night, a list of boys that Michael Jackson did not molest.

00:26:47.920 That was his defense of Michael Jackson is that, oh yeah, well, here's a bunch of boys that Michael Jackson didn't molest.

00:26:53.000 What do you think about that?

00:26:54.260 Uh, okay.

00:26:57.040 Well, first of all, how do you know that he didn't molest those boys?

00:27:00.760 Uh, second, so what?

00:27:02.320 There were plenty of women that Ted Bundy didn't kill. 0.99

00:27:05.060 Almost every woman in the world was not killed by Ted Bundy.

00:27:09.960 Almost every single one, except for the, uh, you know, the, the several that he did kill.

00:27:16.180 So what does that mean?

00:27:20.320 And, and, and just to go back to the first point, just because a person says that they were not abused as a child, uh, doesn't mean that they actually weren't.

00:27:31.760 And that's part of the abuse.

00:27:33.800 Now I know Macaulay, I was going to say, well, Macaulay Culkin wasn't abused.

00:27:37.320 Even if he wasn't, what, what does, so that proves that Michael Jackson didn't abuse these other kids who he slept in a bed with?

00:27:46.180 And I'm not saying that Michael, that Macaulay Culkin says he wasn't abused and then, you know, okay.

00:27:52.460 But I mean, only he knows, uh, the other guy who would know is, is dead now, but, uh, mercifully, but the fact that we have to deal with here is that when a child is groomed from a young age and brainwashed and manipulated by a monster like Michael Jackson,

00:28:11.920 there's a very good chance that they'll never say anything about it.

00:28:16.880 I mean, this, how many times do you have to see this before you understand this is the way it works.

00:28:22.480 People can be abused and they could wait 50 years to say any, especially if, especially if they're abused as young children.

00:28:29.200 Michael Jackson preyed on kids who were like seven or eight years old.

00:28:34.200 This is straight up pedophilia.

00:28:35.980 These are young children and to, and to be abused at that young, at that age.

00:28:41.800 And, and then on top of that, by a, by a guy who's the most, you know, most famous, one of the most beloved people in the world.

00:28:49.640 So you have no idea what that does to your brain and what it does to you psychologically.

00:28:56.660 So you could have people who never say anything either because they're afraid or they're confused.

00:29:03.360 Um, or even because they, through this brainwashing, they've developed what they think is sort of a love for their abuser.

00:29:11.000 Now it's not really love, but they can't tell the difference because of the trauma that they've endured.

00:29:16.040 And that's, that's one of the, um, really, uh, disturbing things when you watch the documentary, you can see how these two men who are, you know, coming out and telling their story.

00:29:27.240 They still appear to have mixed in with all this, with all the, you know, anger and the hurt and everything that they're obviously feeling.

00:29:34.780 And there's also appears to be some kind of like almost, uh, affection that they still have for Michael Jackson.

00:29:41.860 And when, when they, when they, you could tell that they almost are at certain points, they're, they're looking back sort of fondly on certain, you know, aspects of, of their, um, of their memories.

00:29:54.200 And that just shows you that that's, that's the trauma, um, that abuse, uh, does to a person, especially when, when it happens at that age, when they're so young.

00:30:09.100 So when Jackson's brainless defenders say, well, well, why did some of the accusers recant?

00:30:14.820 And then later on they started accusing him again because they were children.

00:30:19.260 Okay.

00:30:19.740 They were abused children.

00:30:21.280 They were terrified, confused, manipulated.

00:30:25.160 Um, and that's why.

00:30:31.780 Now, the other defense that you hear is that, uh, they'll say, well, well, Michael Jackson was just a child himself.

00:30:37.520 He was just an innocent child.

00:30:38.640 And you know what?

00:30:39.200 I, I mean, if you're going to offer that again, if that's your excuse for a guy who's, who found young boys and invited them into his bed, if your excuse is, well, he was just a child. 1.00

00:30:51.280 Then you are either incredibly, incredibly stupid, um, or you're not. 1.00

00:30:58.580 And you know that what you're saying is crazy yet. 1.00

00:31:01.400 You're saying in any way, because you're trying to find an excuse, um, for a guy's predations of little kids, because you liked the way he danced.

00:31:11.780 Because that's what this is really about.

00:31:13.240 All these people who love Michael Jackson, what do they love about him?

00:31:15.280 They love that.

00:31:15.740 They love his dancing.

00:31:16.720 And then he, he, he made some songs they liked.

00:31:21.240 That's, that's all.

00:31:22.160 It's, it's, it's, it's, these people didn't know him personally.

00:31:24.960 They liked his songs.

00:31:26.020 They liked his music video.

00:31:26.920 He danced really well in thriller.

00:31:28.180 And so based on that, you've decided that, no, he's not a child molester.

00:31:31.660 And, you know, he, he slept in bed with little boys, but, uh, but, uh, you know, it's a perfectly good reason for that.

00:31:37.640 There's no way that a guy that danced that well.

00:31:39.720 I mean, I mean, there's no way he could be a pedophile.

00:31:42.820 That's essentially the logic.

00:31:46.560 So, uh, what do we, what do we do with this?

00:31:49.260 Um, I think the question is, should Michael Jackson's habit of molesting boys cause us to enjoy his music less?

00:31:56.060 Uh, should he be posthumously shunned and shamed?

00:32:00.640 And I would say to that, yes, absolutely.

00:32:02.980 Um, we should enjoy his music.

00:32:05.000 In fact, I don't know how you could listen to his music at all, given this.

00:32:09.860 And he should be posthumously shunned and shamed.

00:32:13.240 Uh, I mean, it's, it's a, it's a great tragedy that he couldn't be locked in a cage in a, in a prison cell

00:32:18.960 when he was, when he was still alive, but because we didn't have that chance, then, uh, then yes.

00:32:23.880 Um, and his, his, his whole, his estate, which is worth billions should be worth nothing.

00:32:28.760 It should be worth the zero dollars.

00:32:31.760 And I know that I have made the opposite argument with other dead famous people and historical figures.

00:32:37.500 In fact, just recently, I condemned the efforts to posthumously shame John Wayne for his racist

00:32:42.220 opinions that he gave in a magazine 50 years ago, but there's a big difference here.

00:32:46.060 Okay.

00:32:46.200 First of all, Michael Jackson grooming and molesting boys is a much worse offense than John Wayne

00:32:51.600 sharing wrong opinion.

00:32:53.000 Second, I have argued forcefully and repeatedly that the sins of people from the past have

00:32:59.860 to be understood within the context of their time.

00:33:02.620 So we have to understand things in historical context, but there is no historical context

00:33:06.520 that mitigates Michael Jackson molesting boys in the 1980s and 1990s.

00:33:11.020 Um, third, there are, you know, historical figures who are accused of some very serious

00:33:17.260 moral infractions like Christopher Columbus, Columbus, for instance, but who like Columbus,

00:33:25.260 in my view, still made enormously significant, irreplaceable contributions to our civilization.

00:33:32.540 Um, men who you might say our civilization would not exist in its current form. 0.99

00:33:37.940 If not for them, men who also, we should know while possessing great flaws had great virtues like

00:33:45.900 courage, for instance.

00:33:47.460 And I think in their case, even if they also did very bad things, we should still honor them and

00:33:53.540 remember them and, um, appreciate their, their contributions as a matter of history.

00:33:59.300 But Michael Jackson, he just made some songs people like that. That's all he brought to the world.

00:34:05.300 You know, that's all. If he never existed at all, everything would be basically the same.

00:34:11.380 There would be almost no difference except, um, these families that he destroyed, uh, maybe would

00:34:18.660 still be intact. So that would be the big difference. Um, so without Michael Jackson existing,

00:34:25.280 there would be positive differences in the world, but, uh, it's not like if you get rid of Christopher

00:34:30.960 Columbus and who knows, I mean, everything could look different without Columbus. With Michael

00:34:35.760 Jackson, it's not that way. Uh, so it seems to me that his evil deeds far, far, far outweigh his

00:34:44.640 good contributions, contributions, which consist frankly of just some catchy tunes and that's it.

00:34:49.840 And, and yeah, I mean, music is important and, you know, it makes us feel good and all that kind

00:34:54.240 of that. And that's fine. That's great. But, um, it's just pop music. That's all guys. That's all it

00:34:59.120 is. And, and, uh, if that's all a person brought to the world and you know, in, in the good category,

00:35:06.720 and then in the bad category, you have the serial, uh, molestation of innocent children, then I think

00:35:12.000 that's someone that we just need to toss out. It just, there's no room for them anymore. And there's

00:35:16.640 no reason to remember them fondly or, or anything. They should just be forgotten. Um, uh,

00:35:26.000 except in the context of, of, you know, um, using their story as a, um, as a cautionary tale. And

00:35:33.840 that's the other thing. That's, that's one of the reasons why I said this is kind of an important

00:35:36.560 documentary is it's a cautionary tale. It shows you how predators operate, how they kind of ingratiate

00:35:43.840 themselves into the lives and the families of the, of their victims. And, um, so that's maybe the

00:35:51.200 most important that that's, that's the one, uh, service I suppose Michael Jackson provides us now

00:35:56.960 is that we can go back and learn something about predators. Um, all right, let's see one other thing.

00:36:06.880 Well, there was, uh, I wanted to mention this. Um,

00:36:14.240 I guess maybe we'll save that for tomorrow. All right. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been accused of,

00:36:20.800 uh, has been accused of leaving a huge carbon footprint herself. Um, even while she's on this

00:36:28.480 environmental crusade, she's still going around in SUVs and all that kind of stuff. 1.00

00:36:32.720 And so I believe it was the New York post. I don't have the article in front of me, but the New York

00:36:36.000 post, uh, did a, did an article about her own carbon footprint and how it's much bigger than 0.95

00:36:42.000 the average person. And so we'll talk more about it tomorrow. I do think that, um, that is an important

00:36:50.160 point. It seems almost like a cheap kind of thing now because we hear this over and over again. Like

00:36:55.920 we, we get it by now. It's almost redundant that these environmental crusaders, you know, Al Gore flying

00:37:01.840 around the world in his private jets and so forth. So we know all that, but I do think it's an important

00:37:06.160 point because when you look at these prominent environmental crusaders and you see that almost

00:37:12.960 all of them are not only, uh, leaving a carbon footprint, not, not just a carbon footprint that's

00:37:20.000 about equal to everyone else, but a much larger one. I think it'd be, when you see this pattern,

00:37:25.200 you begin to suspect that, um, almost all of the people who are at the forefront of this movement,

00:37:33.280 uh, almost all of them must not really believe what they're saying. And so when all the people

00:37:39.440 at the forefront of a movement don't believe what they're saying, then that might tell you something

00:37:43.200 about the movement itself. But we'll talk more about that tomorrow because I wanted to get to

00:37:46.560 some of your emails. Um, a few good comments that I wanted to read, uh, mattwallshow at gmail.com,

00:37:52.480 mattwallshow at gmail.com. If you have any emails you want to send, this is from Paul says,

00:37:57.440 Matt, absolutely love the show. I have to say, when you described your wife telling a story and

00:38:01.200 mentioned that she was quote around the time of the French revolution, I absolutely lost it and

00:38:05.120 had tears streaming down my face. I was laughing so hard. I'd like to share a finding that I had as

00:38:09.920 a married man. I was talking last week about how, um, when, uh, you know, when, when my wife,

00:38:14.560 uh, tells has relay when my wife wants to relay information to me, oftentimes she'll say it in the

00:38:21.760 context of a story, which is often a very good story. She's a good storyteller, but she just,

00:38:26.720 there's so much additional information she gives me that I, I can't focus in on the really important

00:38:31.280 stuff. And then I get in trouble later on because I don't remember what she said. Um, but, and I was

00:38:37.280 saying how this is one of the fundamental differences between men and women because

00:38:41.360 women have great memories. And so when women are talking to each other and they relay information 0.98

00:38:47.360 this way to each other in the form of these long stories with a lot of kind of superfluous

00:38:51.360 information added into it, but they remember all of it. Men are different. So that's why it's 1.00

00:38:57.680 important when, you know, it's, it's better when you're talking to a man, just make it in bullet

00:39:01.120 points. Anyway. Um, Paul says one of the duties I had as, uh, had as, as husband when we were first

00:39:08.720 married was taking out the trash. One evening, a few years into our marriage, I forgot to set the trash

00:39:13.600 out. We were stuck with a few bags for the entire week. When my wife discovered this,

00:39:17.920 she exclaimed, you never take the trash out. This struck me as odd since I had never missed

00:39:22.640 taking the trash out 52 times per year for something like five years. As an engineer,

00:39:26.960 I frequently need to describe problems in terms of mathematical equations. So I described this

00:39:31.680 situation in terms of what I call one of the fundamental equations of marriage, which is

00:39:35.440 her never equals my always minus one or never W equals always H minus one. It was around the same

00:39:44.720 timeframe that some guys at work wanted to go out and grab a few beers. I'm pretty sure that this was

00:39:49.040 the first time that this particular situation happened in our marriage. When I got home, I heard

00:39:52.560 from my wife, you were always going out with your friends. I'm sure you see that where this is going,

00:39:57.120 but it ended up with one of our, one of the other fundamental equations of marriage, which is

00:40:00.800 her always equals my never plus one or always W equals never H plus one. I'm not claiming that

00:40:08.160 these are the only equations, but they are what I've stumbled across so far. Uh, keep up the great

00:40:12.400 work. Well, Paul, you lost me on the math. Uh, once you get into math, you lose me. Uh, because I'm

00:40:20.400 a very, I am myself a very stupid person, but I think I know where you're going with this. The only 0.99

00:40:25.520 thing I will say in fairness to, in fairness to wives everywhere is that, uh, I think the always

00:40:31.280 never thing, I think both husbands and wives are equally guilty of that. That's just one of the

00:40:38.640 classic things that you get in a marriage. And it, of course it never helps the discussion. The

00:40:44.320 moment you're going, you always do this, or you never do that. It's very like nobody always does

00:40:49.760 anything, right? Unless you're saying you always breathe. Um, although if you're complaining about

00:40:55.360 your spouse, always breathing, then that's probably a bad sign about your marriage. But, uh,

00:41:00.640 aside from something like that, no one always does, does anything. There is no, always there is no,

00:41:05.120 never. So the moment you start injecting words like that into a discussion or an argument with

00:41:10.160 your spouse, then it's just, it's not going to go anywhere because this is completely, uh,

00:41:15.760 completely off the rest. And the other thing you'll, you'll, what always happens is one of

00:41:19.280 the spouses says, uh, well, you always do this. And then, and then, and then the other one says,

00:41:24.480 okay, yeah, you go for it. Give me three examples of me doing that thing. And they can never provide

00:41:28.080 the three examples. Right. Even though you said it was always so, but I think, but I think men and

00:41:31.920 women do that. I, uh, I don't, I don't know if that's, I don't think it's just a woman thing. 1.00

00:41:34.640 I think men and women are, are equally as likely to throw out the always and never. All right.

00:41:40.400 This is from Patrick who says, Hey Matt, I want to start off by saying I really love your

00:41:43.200 show. I appreciate what you do. I tend to agree with you on most issues. And even when I don't,

00:41:47.520 uh, I normally respect how you analyze and break down your reasoning behind why you believe what

00:41:52.480 you believe in this case, though, I feel the need to call you out about your reaction to the Kim

00:41:56.640 Trump summit that you talked about on Thursday and Friday. I applied rationality and critical

00:42:01.920 thinking to this issue. And I happen to disagree with you. And I don't appreciate you impugning my

00:42:05.520 character or intelligence for having a different opinion about that situation than you do. I believe that

00:42:09.920 it is you who may not be objectively analyzing the facts of the situation. There is no evidence

00:42:14.640 that Kim Jong-un knew about or was directly involved in the situation regarding Otto Warmbier.

00:42:20.320 Uh, I think that when you get to that, to that scale of a country, there's no one person that can

00:42:24.880 know everything that goes on inside of that country. If you're somehow omnipotent or have spies in North

00:42:29.040 Korea that I'm not aware of, and thus have proof that Kim Jong-un was involved in what happened to

00:42:33.200 Otto Warmbier, then please enlighten us. I don't even like Trump or agree with everything that he does,

00:42:37.360 but I recognize that leaders have to make hard decisions and they have to do unpopular things

00:42:41.040 sometimes to get the job done. What would it gain Trump or the United States in our negotiations

00:42:46.240 for trying to denuclearize North Korea, uh, for Trump to publicly call out a malignant narcissist

00:42:51.120 for being a liar about a situation for which he has no proof that he is actually lying? Trump has no

00:42:55.280 authority to punish Kim Jong-un if he was involved. We already have sanctions on North Korea. So other than

00:42:59.840 giving some people a feeling of moral superiority, what would it accomplish? Uh, well, Patrick, I don't

00:43:05.760 know if I impugn your character. Um, I did perhaps, perhaps impugn the, maybe character is not the right

00:43:14.240 word, but I did, I did impugn something about the people who are, uh, as I talked about on Friday,

00:43:20.880 the people who, uh, the people who are obsessed with Trump, either positive or negative, like,

00:43:30.000 like I discussed. Uh, there, there are some people who will never defend Trump, will never support

00:43:36.480 anything he does, and will always criticize. I know I just said we shouldn't use always and never,

00:43:40.080 but in this case, I think it applies. Uh, so there are some people like that on the left,

00:43:43.600 and I think that's absurd, um, and just irrational. But then on the right, there are also people who,

00:43:50.880 uh, Trump has never and can never and will never do anything that they will criticize. They'll defend

00:43:57.280 everything he does. Uh, so I do impugn that, but if that's not you, then I'm not impugning you.

00:44:04.000 As far as this situation, listen, yes, it's true that even a dictator who, uh, has an iron grip over

00:44:11.840 his entire country, like Kim Jong-un, it's true that he can't know everything that happens.

00:44:16.880 But Patrick, I mean, come on, but North Korea had an American citizen in prison and they were

00:44:25.420 torturing him to death. You think the dictator of the country didn't know about that? It's not like

00:44:30.060 they have hundreds of American citizens. They had this one guy and it was a big deal. It was a big

00:44:37.260 Nash international news, a big diplomatic crisis. And you think he didn't know that the dictator of

00:44:43.660 the country did not know. It's just that defies common sense. I'm sorry. He definitely knew it.

00:44:51.660 And I think Trump definitely knows that he definitely knew it. Uh, yet he said what he said

00:44:57.600 on Friday. And I agree. Listen, it's not, it's not like we want, it's not like Trump can go over

00:45:03.020 there and start berating the guy publicly as cathartic as that may be to witness as much as

00:45:08.480 I'd like to see that. I agree. It probably wouldn't help, but I'm not talking about that.

00:45:13.220 I'm just saying a moment of moral courage and clarity, even in an uncomfortable situation would

00:45:19.580 have been great there rather than backing down and defending the dictator and bowing before him.

00:45:27.340 It's like, Oh no, no, he never could have. Oh, chairman Kim, my good friend never would have

00:45:32.220 done that. No, you see, I think that there's a wide chasm between that reaction, which is what

00:45:37.760 Trump was doing over there. And, um, you know, berating Kim publicly, which is what, by the way,

00:45:43.100 what Trump did like two years ago when he was trolling him on Twitter. But I think there's a wide,

00:45:47.520 see, Trump has never figured out an in-between between those two. I think there's a, there's an

00:45:51.500 area in between a very rational, mature, morally clear, um, in-between zone that I think Trump could

00:46:00.880 find. And that would be good for everybody. All right. Last, uh, last email. This is from

00:46:08.420 Travis says, hi, Matt. Uh, just saw your most recent segment where you posited the question,

00:46:14.420 when will the majority stand up? I think this is the most important question in regards to the

00:46:17.980 issue, because as you noted, it seems as if the vast majority of people believe this gender

00:46:22.260 baiting ideology is insane. Unfortunately, however, I think I have some understanding as to why most

00:46:27.180 people are unable to stand up against this agenda. And if I've heard enough of your podcast, I think

00:46:31.640 you'll agree with me. The problem is that we, as in the prominent culture, value the individual's

00:46:36.620 invaluable right to choose whatever end available. This tacit belief that all matters is the

00:46:42.460 unrestrained act of will, unless it hurts someone else is the, uh, is the all that is left of our

00:46:48.380 morally vapid language. It reminds me of what I heard you say about how we use the term consent

00:46:53.040 as the only word left that we, uh, that we use to describe sexual immorality. It seems to indicate

00:46:58.680 our utterly empty moral grammar that is left for us in this increasingly nihilistic age. Um,

00:47:06.280 yeah, I think moral grammar, that's, that's, that's the right way of looking at it. Yeah,

00:47:09.980 I do think, I do think that this is, there's always a, there's kind of a paradox here because

00:47:14.820 on one hand, our culture seems to value choice and has sort of made an idol of choice to the point

00:47:24.540 where you can choose to kill your child. You can choose your own biological identity. Uh, but then

00:47:31.340 on the other hand, we see so many areas where choice, uh, particularly in, in the areas of religious

00:47:38.340 liberty and free speech where choice is constricted. So we value choice so much that you should be able

00:47:44.660 to choose to kill your child, choose your own biology, biology. But if you're a, if you're a

00:47:49.360 Christian business owner, you can't choose to not make a cake for a gay wedding. So there is always 1.00

00:47:55.220 that anytime you try to boil any, boil it down and get to the heart of the matter with our culture,

00:48:00.900 uh, it's never quite as simple as that because there are always exceptions. Like we're, we're

00:48:06.120 always looking for, okay, we know things are going off track, but what, what are the new rules in our

00:48:11.820 culture? What are they exactly? And you think you, you stumble on one of them. Okay. Well, one of the

00:48:15.880 new, new rules is you can choose whatever you want, whatever you want to choose is okay. But then you

00:48:19.840 realize that, well, no, you could choose whatever you want. As long as your choice is one of these

00:48:24.060 things over here, not one of these. And I think that's just what happens in a, in a, um,

00:48:30.040 in a confused society. That's sort of the point really, is that there are no fundamental principles

00:48:34.980 or rules or anything. Everything is just kind of conflicted. Um, confusion reigns supreme,

00:48:41.420 but thank you for the email. Uh, we'll leave on that somewhat depressing note and I'll talk to you

00:48:46.860 tomorrow. Godspeed.

00:48:54.060 Today on the Ben Shapiro show, Trump goes full Trump. Bernie goes full Bernie and the fresh faces

00:49:08.720 go fully fresh and fully face. That's today on the Ben Shapiro show.

The Matt Walsh Show - March 04, 2019

Ep. 210 - What Socialists And Toddlers Have In Common

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