00:10:29.820Of course, pro-abortion people are panicking over this, like I said, claiming that this is all about, you know, this is all about controlling women's bodies.
00:10:37.080So Jessica Valenti, who's an especially vile pro-abortion feminist and a sociopath, was ranting about this case on Twitter, predictably, saying that this is her word.
00:10:49.360She said this isn't about anything other than controlling women's bodies.
00:10:53.580And then she added that she also hates Ryan's face.
00:10:57.440She hates his face, she said, because she is, as I said, hateful and vile.
00:11:04.820There's just, there aren't enough bad things you could say about the woman.
00:11:08.900But of course, this is not about controlling women's bodies.
00:11:12.620And what does it say about pro-abortion people that they can't conceive of any other reason why a man might not want his child to be killed?
00:11:25.200Like, they literally can't understand that a father might actually just not want his child to be killed, not because it's part of any patriarchal conspiracy to control women, but maybe a father really just loves his child and doesn't want the child to be killed.
00:11:52.320They think, no, no, no, if a man doesn't want his kid to be killed, it could only be because there must be some, some dastardly motivation behind it.
00:12:02.360Because these people are so empty and soulless inside that they, they can't understand the concept of loving an unborn child.
00:12:09.860They don't even, they don't think it's possible.
00:12:12.080But, um, yet the fact remains that this baby is not, uh, the woman's body.
00:12:24.460This is, this is not about controlling the woman's body because the thing that is at stake here is not the woman's body, but in fact, the body of an entirely separate person who is the baby.
00:12:35.700And that person is 50% the result of the woman and 50% the result of the man.
00:12:43.300That, that, that, that other human, that third party involved would not exist without the man.
00:12:49.740Um, so that child is not the woman's body and that child does not belong to the woman.
00:12:56.720That child belongs, first of all, to God, but in terms of, in earthly terms, that child belongs just as much to the father.
00:13:06.060Um, as he does to the, to the mother, um, the, you know what, it's, it's not even like 51 50.
00:13:17.400Um, or maybe better yet, a hundred percent, a hundred percent that, that child, that's the better way of putting it.
00:13:24.460That child is 100% the son of this father and a hundred percent, the son of the mother as well.
00:13:32.400Um, think about the mixed messages that we send here with, with these sorts of situations where the message from, um, the left and by extension from our culture is what we say to men is when the baby's in the womb, we say, uh, that's none of your business, none of your concern.
00:13:55.980You have no vested interest in this. Uh, you have no say you have no rights. Uh, it doesn't matter what you want.
00:14:06.260If she wants to keep the baby, she's going to keep the baby. She wants to kill the baby. She's going to kill the baby.
00:14:10.280Your opinion does not matter. And that's the message for nine months. That's what we say to men.
00:14:15.980Your opinion doesn't matter. You have no interest in this. It's not your child. It doesn't matter.
00:14:20.020Mind your own business over and over and over again. That's what we say for nine months.
00:14:23.680And then the moment that child emerges from the birth canal, then we flip it around and say, where's child support? You need to be here. Don't be a deadbeat. Where did you go? You need to be here taking care of this child.
00:14:34.960Now, of course, I agree that, um, when the child is born, the father needs to be there and shouldn't be a deadbeat and everything, but it's a mixed message.
00:14:47.540Uh, in one sense, if the father, that's a deadbeat and goes off and doesn't want to take care of his child. Well, he's just, I guess all he's doing is he took you seriously.
00:14:59.540When you said it's not his, it's none of his concern. And the father said, okay, well, I guess not then. All right. Well, fine.
00:15:09.000But even someone like Jessica Valenti, uh, I don't know if she has any kids, but, uh, you know, I'm sure, I'm sure if she had a kid, she would be, wow, no, that father needs to be here taking care of this kid.
00:15:21.000Yeah. Yeah. You say that now. What about before? What if I take you up on your, uh, what if I actually take all of your blathering seriously about how this is just your body?
00:15:35.640Well, Hey, there was, there was, there's no baby at all. It's just your body. So I guess when the baby comes out, that's like your, that's your organ or your limb that is a sun suddenly come to life.
00:15:45.720And, but it's still yours. It's not mine. No, we, that's not, that's not fair to the men. That's not fair to the baby. Um, it's just, it doesn't make any sense that child, there needs to be a consistent message to men.
00:16:03.140And the message is from the very beginning, from conception, this is your child and you need to be here for the child. And, and not just when the child is born, by the way, but from the very beginning, uh, the mother of your child is pregnant. You need to be there for her. You need to be supporting her. You need to be interested. You need to be all these and take her to doctor's appointments. I mean, be involved, uh, get married to her. If you're not yet, by the way, that should be the message.
00:16:31.360See, that's a message that, that works for everybody. You notice that that message works for everyone works for the child. It works for the mother, it works for the father. Everybody is built up. Everybody is lifted up. Everyone is putting it put into a safer and better situation when that's our message from conception. But when we try to say that, oh, you know, you need to wait nine months for your fatherly instinct to set in.
00:16:56.700Uh, and up until that point, this is none of your business. Well, once you start doing that, uh, well, you can't do it. And what's going to happen is sort of, you're going to have one principle that's extended in one direction either way.
00:17:11.180So if the principle that we're telling the fathers, when the child is in the womb, if what we're telling them is this is none of your business, not your child, don't worry about it. Get out. Mind your own business.
00:17:21.220Then in many cases, that principle is going to be extended beyond the womb.
00:17:29.920But if you go the other way and you say, no, this is your business, this is your child, this is 100% your responsibility, just till it gets 100% the woman's responsibility, then that principle will, will also be extended.
00:17:41.660And it's a, you know, it's an interesting thing that the, the pro-life message, um, has this effect, right? Of lifting people up and, uh, just making everyone's life better, protecting life, treasuring life.
00:18:07.840I mean, that's, that's the, it's pro-life and that's why the, the moniker of pro-choice doesn't mean anything because these people aren't about choice.
00:18:18.580Even they're not about choice. Pro-choice people are manifestly opposed to choice and freedom in so many, when it comes to so many other issues, but even when it comes to abortion, well, they, they're only, they're only concerned about the choice of one person.
00:18:32.740Again, there are three people involved. They only care about the choice of one person and that's the mother.
00:18:37.840And even then they only care about the choice if she's choosing to abort. Uh, but if she chooses to keep the baby, well, then plant paranoid's got nothing for it.
00:18:45.840Plant paranoid doesn't care. Plant paranoid says, get out of here. If you're not going to kill the baby, we don't care. Go somewhere else. We're not going to help you.
00:18:53.320So they care about the choice of one person. And as long as it's only one particular choice, but the father has no choice.
00:19:00.780The baby has no choice. So pro-choice means nothing. Pro-life actually means something though, uh, in that people who are really pro-life, they, it really means that they just, they are in favor of, they think life is a beautiful thing and it should be treasured and protected.
00:19:15.640And I mean, how can you disagree? How can you be a living human being and disagree with that?
00:19:23.460All right. Um, so on a related note, but on, on the opposite end of the spectrum, on the opposite end of the fatherhood spectrum, I wanted to mention this cause I saw this yesterday.
00:19:34.260And, uh, you see this kind of thing these days, somewhat frequently, there was a guy, um, a verified account on Twitter, an author of some kind, I think, who, uh, took to Twitter yesterday to complain that parenthood is really hard, really trying, very difficult.
00:19:55.600And he said, uh, publicly that he regrets ever having his son. Okay. So this is, we just talked about Ryan majors. This is like the opposite of Ryan majors. Uh, that was a man who wanted to be a father. And this is someone who doesn't. So he said, uh, this guy said he loves his son, loves his son, but he regrets having him says his wife feels the same way.
00:20:19.740I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what he said. Um, now I'm not going to put this guy's name out there because this isn't about sicking the mob on him. That's not the point.
00:20:30.920I just point to it because it's part of a trend that you find online. And it seems every few months that there's something like this. There was, it was a couple of months ago. We talked about it on the show. There was a Hollywood director, someone who went online and said the same thing, expressed regret about ever having a child.
00:20:47.800Um, and there have been articles about this and so on in the media. Uh, like I said, every few months you see this, some article about parents who regret having their kids. Or, um, I remember, and I remember this well, because it was right around the time when we were having our twins. Um, it was about five years ago.
00:21:09.740And there was a big article in one of the publications, uh, written by a father who the, him and his wife had had twins through IVF and his life was just so miserable and so terrible and wah, wah. And he was whining about it and talking about how much he regretted having, uh, these, these twins.
00:21:30.060So I remember that well, because that was right before we had twins ourselves. So you see this kind of thing, right? This is a sentiment that people feel apparently increasingly comfortable expressing publicly.
00:21:42.880And there are a couple of points that come to mind when I see this. And when I read this guy's tweets, uh, in particular, first of all, he says he loves his child.
00:21:54.120Of course, I love my child. I love my son, but I wish he was never born. Well, okay. Then you don't love your child.
00:22:04.140And this is something that people do where we, we think of, you know, parent loving their child as this sort of automatic thing.
00:22:16.540And so we assume that, well, everyone loves a child. And so even if someone says, yeah, I love my child. I wish that he didn't exist,
00:22:23.560but I, of course, I, of course, I love him. Well, then by definition, you don't love him.
00:22:30.980Sometimes you, you, you hear the same thing from, uh, women who abort their child. They say, well, I, I love my child,
00:22:37.700but it just wasn't the right time. No, you didn't love them. That is the opposite of loving them.
00:22:44.500So no, this guy, you do not love your, you clearly do not love him.
00:22:48.000If you ever find yourself wishing that a person didn't, it's not even this in some ways, this is even
00:22:55.080worse than wishing that someone was dead. As horrible as that is, as horrible, as horrible
00:23:01.860as it is to even conceive of someone wishing that their child was dead. Um, when someone regrets being
00:23:08.520a parent, well, what you wish is that you're, that this person, your child never existed. You,
00:23:14.120you want to negate, you wish that you could negate their entire existence. So that's not love.
00:23:21.620Second thing is, let's be clear about this. It is 100% about weakness and selfishness on the part of
00:23:29.880this man and his wife too, if, if she really does feel the same way. Um, and that is only,
00:23:36.600that is only highlighted by the fact that he has one child. Okay. You have one, you've got two adults
00:23:44.020versus one child. Now, look, there could be extenuating circumstances sometimes that make it
00:23:50.300especially difficult or challenging to have one kid. If there's a severe medical problems
00:23:55.780or some other situation that can make that difficult, but he didn't mention anything like
00:24:00.660that. So it seems like this is just a normal situation and in a normal situation with a healthy
00:24:05.940child, um, one kid is really not difficult at all. What are you doing whining about it?
00:24:17.620But parents of one of your parents that just have one kid, you hear this a lot, they'll constantly
00:24:21.640talk about how difficult, how hard it is, how difficult, I mean, come on, there are challenges
00:24:25.760involved in it. I know, but you got two parents versus one kid. How could you possibly,
00:24:32.560how overwhelming could it possibly, the two of you and one of him, how bad could it ever be?
00:24:40.780Um, if you're feeling that overwhelmed by one kid, it just means, this is all that it means.
00:24:48.220It just means that you are completely unwilling to make even the slightest adjustments to your life
00:24:54.920because with one kid, uh, you're going to have to make some sacrifices. You're gonna have to make
00:25:00.340some adjustments, but not even the adjustments you make. What don't even have to be that serious
00:25:06.280with one kid. You could basically continue living your life almost like you did before,
00:25:12.460but you could still go out pretty much whenever you want. Just get a babysitter. I mean,
00:25:16.580to get a babysitter for one kid is not that expensive. Um, you've got, you know, one parent
00:25:22.840or the other can always go out and get time to themselves. And the other parent can watch the
00:25:26.340one kid. You can bring one kid with you pretty much anywhere. And, and you know, it's not a big,
00:25:31.960you take them to a restaurant. And if the kid gets a little bit rowdy or something, you got one of the
00:25:36.000parents can take them out for a minute. But when it's just one kid, you can do these things.
00:25:39.520It's when you start getting more kids that then all of a sudden you really are changing your,
00:25:43.780your lifestyle considerably. So this is what jumped out at me is that if you're feeling this way with
00:25:48.400one kid, that just means that you, you are not willing to make any sacrifices. You don't want to
00:25:53.860change your life at all. That's how selfish you are. Uh, and yes, parenthood will be an awful,
00:26:04.120terrible, miserable thing if you are totally unwilling to sacrifice. But if you can just get over the
00:26:15.220fact that you're going to have to make some adjustments in your life, if you can accept that
00:26:21.100and move on and accept the parameters of your new life, well, then there's a whole lot of joy to be
00:26:27.800discovered. But sadly, there are many parents who, uh, can't do that because they are so, so selfish and
00:26:37.020weak. You talk to adults sometimes. Uh, in fact, I was talking to someone, someone recently about this
00:26:43.080very subject and, um, um, they told me that their own parents, this was an adult. They told me their
00:26:51.140own parents would tell them as they were growing up that they, the parents wish that this person had
00:26:58.460never been born. And you hear that sometimes, uh, you know, adults who, who, who grew up with this,
00:27:04.620with parents who wished that they didn't exist. I mean, think about how weak and just selfish and
00:27:17.260narcissistic you have to be, especially if at no point you, listen, I remember when our, um,
00:27:27.720when our twins were born, we had now, I, we never had the experience of having one kid because we went
00:27:32.360right to twins. And, um, and when our twins were born, I can, I can distinctly remember that first
00:27:42.800night, uh, with the kids with us. And that was really overwhelming. That was like, that was a moment
00:27:50.020of what did we just do. Um, but very quickly, even when it's a, such a huge change, when you go from,
00:28:03.820you know, a family with no kids to two right away, um, very quickly, I think for most people,
00:28:09.540you just, even though it's very challenging, challenging to have, to have a newborn. And,
00:28:13.920and by the way, when I'm talking about how easy it is to have one kid, uh, I, with the,
00:28:18.920with the exception of the newborn stage, the newborn stage is doesn't matter how many kids
00:28:22.600want one newborn because of the sleeping factor. If you're, if your newborn isn't sleeping for six
00:28:27.600months, well, uh, even if it is just one, that's going to be really, that is really hard. Um,
00:28:32.960but that doesn't last forever. You get, you get over that, you get past that stage pretty quickly,
00:28:36.640but, and even though it's very challenging in the newborn stage, specifically because of the
00:28:43.200sleeping thing, I mean, you're not getting sleep that has an effect on you psychologically.
00:28:46.340There's no question about it, but even then you, you quickly accept, right? For most people,
00:28:52.000you accept, well, this, okay, this is, this is what my life is now. This is my new existence.
00:28:58.580And any thought of, I wish it wasn't like this, or why did we do this? I mean, that,
00:29:04.300all that stuff just kind of evaporates. It doesn't mean anything anymore because this is simply your
00:29:08.160life. Wherever you go, there you are, right? This is your life. But then there are parents who,
00:29:15.020I think for most parents, you accept your new existence very quickly, like within days.
00:29:22.620But then there are some parents who never do. They go years and they can never accept it.
00:29:29.120And that is nothing but selfishness and weakness. And that's what we should call it.
00:29:36.060I don't want to hear any of this. Uh, well, we have to be understanding of them and, you know,
00:29:43.040let's be sympathetic to the, no, I'm not sympathetic to them at all. Stop being weak. You coward,
00:29:48.380be a man, man up, get, get over yourself. Really.
00:29:51.600All right. Um, I want to get to some emails. So you can always email the show,
00:29:57.500mattwalshowatgmail.com, mattwalshowatgmail.com. All right. Um,
00:30:02.180I think we're going to do just one email, uh, in the interest of time here. Let me see if I can find
00:30:09.660the one that was interesting. Okay. This is from Joanna. She says, hi, Matt, I'm getting caught up
00:30:14.880on all your podcasts, went back to the beginning and have been listening to most of them. I just listened
00:30:19.380to your podcast on the flat earth theory. That was from a few, few months ago. Have you seen the
00:30:23.500documentary behind the curve? It's all about the flat earth theory and its proponents. I found it
00:30:27.760very fascinating. I was wondering if you've heard of it slash seen it. Well, I hadn't heard of it or
00:30:32.760seen it. I got this email over the weekend and I hadn't heard of it or seen it, Joanna, until I read
00:30:37.920this email. And, uh, I was in a hotel. I was on the road over the weekend and looking for something
00:30:42.640to watch. So I took this suggestion and I watched this documentary about the flat earth theorists,
00:30:48.320uh, and if you want to go watch it behind the curve is what it's called.
00:30:53.620My God, it was really like gawking at a car wreck. In fact, it was like gawking at people
00:30:59.820who are gawking at a car wreck and arguing about whether or not an alien caused it. That's,
00:31:04.260that's what it was like. It was disturbing, uh, darkly hilarious, very interesting,
00:31:11.740but it made my faith in humanity plummet to an all time low. And it was never that high to begin with.
00:31:17.160So if you haven't seen it, uh, this movie behind the curve, it's, it's about the flat
00:31:20.920earth theorists who we can't even really call theorists, right? The flat earth theory is not
00:31:26.300really a theory. Um, because for something to be a theory as a, as a scientist in the documentary
00:31:31.760explained something has to, if something is a theory, it needs to be falsifiable and not already
00:31:38.180falsified. And then I would add a third criterium that it needs to have explanatory power, meaning it
00:31:44.160has to sufficiently explain what we see occurring around us in order for it to really be a theory.
00:31:50.240Um, but flat earth, the flat earth thing has already been falsified for thousands of years.
00:31:56.740And thus it is no longer falsifiable. Uh, like if you're going to reject the thousands of different
00:32:05.620falsifications of this insane idea and invent out of whole cloth, these cinematic conspiracies that
00:32:12.320explain everything away that you see, well, then it's graduated to something that is both
00:32:16.740falsified and unfalsifiable, which is peak crazy. When you've got something that's already been
00:32:23.920falsified, but it also can no longer be falsified anymore because of this fortification of conspiracy
00:32:31.440theory that you've erected. Well, that that's just, that's as crazy as it gets. And then also the
00:32:36.320flat earth theory has no explanatory power. Um, because for instance, it can't even explain
00:32:41.820something as simple as, well, when astronauts go into space, they can orbit the earth in the
00:32:48.440international space station and see the globe. So your flatter 30 flatter theory has to be able to
00:32:54.380explain that and just saying, Oh no, they're lying. It's a conspiracy. That's not an explanation.
00:33:00.640Uh, to reject reality is not a good explanation for reality. But I thought what made the documentary
00:33:07.940fascinating, especially is just to see how these people, um, get sucked into this crazy belief,
00:33:15.520how they justify it to themselves. And then this is to me was the most interesting part.
00:33:20.160It shows how the flat earthers are so addicted to conspiracy theories that they end up separating
00:33:27.020into factions and like denominations and then coming up with conspiracy theories about each other.
00:33:35.080So there's a, there was a, um, a certain prominent flat earther, uh, this kind of the,
00:33:43.720the spokeswoman for flatter theory, apparently, and other flat earthers have come up with a conspiracy
00:33:50.600theory that she is a CIA agent working for Warner brothers for some reason or something like that.
00:33:59.200Uh, and, and this is just what they, they, they love conspiracy theories so much. They just can't
00:34:03.540help it. They make it about each other. There was an interesting moment in the documentary where
00:34:07.800that woman, I forget it. I think it was Patricia was her name. Um, she was talking about
00:34:12.920these conspiracy theories that people have about her, including there are some people who think that
00:34:19.720she's a reptilian alien creature, by the way, shapeshifter. Uh, and she was saying she, there
00:34:24.660was just, there was this brief moment where you could see this glimmer of light. There was, there
00:34:30.520was this moment of, of recognition very briefly where she said, she said, I don't know, these people
00:34:38.700come up with crazy conspiracy conspiracy theories about me. I don't, is that what I'm doing? Am I like
00:34:44.380them? And then she quickly shook, shook that off and said, no, no, no, no, no. I'm different. I'm
00:34:49.140totally different. But there was that moment. Oh, it almost dawned out on her almost. It was very
00:34:55.300interesting. Um, and the other thing I think that it shows is how people invent and maintain these
00:35:01.000conspiracy theories and also why they do so psychologically. Um, and so it's, it's interesting.
00:35:09.980I would, I would go and it's, it's, it's, I think as a, as a psychological portrait of conspiracy
00:35:20.180theorists, uh, it's worth watching. And the, the main thing you see about how conspiracy theories
00:35:26.660operate is, and you've, you've, you've probably already noticed this from other conspiracy theories,
00:35:34.420but all they need is just one allegedly unexplained detail, uh, just one. And they can, they can build
00:35:47.980an entire mythology out of that one tiny little gap in the official narrative, even if it's not
00:35:55.060really a gap. So, uh, for instance, the nine 11 truthers, the big thing for them, especially early
00:36:01.660on was, well, uh, jet fuel, uh, doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. And then that was all they
00:36:09.200needed. They were off to the races. And of course you say, well, but yes, it, it burns hot enough to
00:36:14.720weaken steel and then it collapses under its own weight. But, uh, by the time you've already offered
00:36:19.340that correction, they're way over there and there's no getting them back. So with flat earthers, they have
00:36:24.800a couple little things like that where they say, Oh yeah, well then what, what about this?
00:36:30.560Um, and it's always something like, well, if I stand really far away from a city, I can still see
00:36:36.400the skyline. But if we're on a, if, if it's, if we're on a globe, then I shouldn't be able to see
00:36:42.920it because it should be on the other side of the globe. And that that's all the logic they need. And
00:36:46.980of course you say, well, yes, but it's a really big globe. So you have to be really far away from the
00:36:51.840thing to not be able to see it. If you're only a couple of miles away, you'll still be able to see
00:36:55.880it, but, um, it doesn't matter. All they need is just that one little excuse. And in that gap,
00:37:03.300they can build this entire fantasy. Um, interesting to see. All right. We'll leave it there. Thanks
00:37:11.060for watching everybody. Thanks for being here and Godspeed.
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