The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 23 - Liberal Christianity Is Pointless

00:00:00.000 People these days are starving for identity and community. People want to know who they are and

00:00:07.860 what they are and why they are and what's the point of everything. So that's why it seems like

00:00:15.780 every day a new community crops up, a new community or a sub-community or an offshoot

00:00:21.440 of a sub-community of a community, and people will find their identity and their community

00:00:27.140 in anything at all. It seems like everything these days is a community. So it's, oh, I'm part of the

00:00:34.760 community. And very often people will structure this around their sex lives, their sexual

00:00:41.380 proclivities. So every sexual proclivity becomes a community. Every fetish, every sexual interest

00:00:48.320 is its own community and it's an identity. It's a lifestyle. This is my lifestyle. This is the kind

00:00:56.140 of sex I like to have. So it's my lifestyle. It's my identity. It's who I am as a person. 0.98

00:01:02.520 And sometimes this craving for identity, it just kind of, in our culture, it's getting increasingly

00:01:09.040 bizarre and just weird. So there's so many examples of just the weirdest kind of identity people find

00:01:16.020 for themselves. Of course, one example, just a classic example now would be the bronies. Bronies

00:01:22.620 are adult men who enjoy My Little Pony for some reason. And they dress up in My Little Pony costumes

00:01:30.240 and they go to My Little Pony conventions and they wear My Little Pony apparel and they creep me out

00:01:37.300 generally. And this is their identity is that they like this show for little girls. And then there are

00:01:43.400 people who they call themselves super fans and they're super fans of something. They're super fans of a

00:01:51.060 movie like Star Wars or they're super fans of a show or a band or some other pop culture thing.

00:01:56.680 And we call them super fans because they have found their identity in their fandom. Nothing wrong with

00:02:04.200 being a fan of something, but then we go for a lot. What happens very often is we go a step further

00:02:10.440 and people are obsessed with this thing. So you're like Star Wars. Great. Then there are people that are

00:02:17.180 obsessed with Star Wars and this is their life is Star Wars. This is where they find their happiness

00:02:23.740 and their fulfillment. They find themselves in Star Wars. So there's a new Star Wars movie and

00:02:28.540 they're camping out for three days. Forget about work, forget about family. This is all that matters

00:02:32.980 is Star Wars. And this, again, every, you know, it seems like every film franchise, every kind of

00:02:39.140 whatever, whether it's Marvel superheroes or whatever, there are these super fans, these obsessed

00:02:43.700 people. In the past, I have, I have myself run afoul of the, um, what is, what is, what the kids call

00:02:51.060 the Bayhive and the Bayhive. I never thought I would actually say the phrase Bayhive, but I just did

00:02:56.640 the Bayhive are, they're super fans of Beyonce. And so that's what they call themselves. And they just 0.98

00:03:04.120 love Beyonce. They absolutely love and adore her. And they find their identity in her, in a, in a pop

00:03:11.220 singer. The point is we have a crisis of identity in our culture. People don't know who they are,

00:03:17.460 what they are, why they are. Literally, they don't know what they are. Because another thing is, I

00:03:23.840 think they're, I think that it's other kins is a, is another thing. And that's other kins are people

00:03:28.540 who feel like they're really animals inside. So maybe they're really, maybe a person is an other kin

00:03:33.700 because she's really a cat inside. So she'll crawl around and she'll wear a cat, little cat ears. 1.00

00:03:39.120 And I don't know, she'll use a litter box. I mean, this is what I think what happens in this quest

00:03:44.900 for identity, people there, rather than looking without looking up, people are looking deeper and

00:03:52.400 deeper and deeper within themselves, within their own psyches, within their own egos. They're just kind

00:03:59.340 of plunging into the depths of, of their minds, of their subconscious. And they're just bringing to

00:04:08.360 the surface, whatever they can find. And what they find deep down in there is really just

00:04:13.980 confusion. And it's confusion that takes increasingly dark and disturbing forms. But identity is what they

00:04:21.900 want. It's what they need. It's what everybody needs. And that's where Christianity ought to come 0.99

00:04:27.560 in. But the problem is that the Christianity professed from many pulpits is just hollow and worldly.

00:04:36.540 And it doesn't give people that meaning and that purpose and that community and that identity that

00:04:44.240 they crave. So let's just take, for example, the Episcopal Church. The Episcopal Church this week

00:04:50.400 announced that they're going to be removing the words man, woman, and procreation from their marriage

00:04:57.360 liturgy in their latest sort of bow to the LGBT lobby. This is what they're doing because it's offensive 1.00

00:05:03.080 to the LGBT. And Episcopalianism has been kind of skidding into oblivion for decades now. Over the

00:05:12.260 course of the 90s, they lost over 30% of their members. And then in this century, they've been

00:05:17.360 losing, I think, about 2% annually every year. And now there are fewer Episcopalians in America now

00:05:24.020 than there are Jews, which is significant because the Jewish people have always been a small minority

00:05:28.300 in America. The Episcopalian Church, on the other hand, the Episcopal Church, used to be the dominant

00:05:33.760 church in America. Not anymore. What happened? Well, you can easily track the church's decline

00:05:42.500 over the past several decades. And you can track it because it corresponds directly with

00:05:49.140 the church shedding its Christian orthodoxy in favor of liberal, secular, worldly, humanistic

00:05:59.820 orthodoxy. So as there, you just, it's just the two things are happening. Attendance is plummeting

00:06:07.280 as the Episcopal Church is just getting rid of one Christian doctrine after another. In the hopes each 1.00

00:06:16.020 time of reversing this decline and convincing people to come by being less challenging and by

00:06:22.140 being less Christian. But instead, people just keep leaving. So it began for the Episcopal Church as

00:06:29.800 always, as it always begins. It began for them in the early to mid-20th century when they embraced

00:06:38.520 birth control and divorce. They got rid of their prohibitions against birth control and divorce.

00:06:44.820 This is where everything always starts, okay? And I know this is an uncomfortable conversation

00:06:49.800 because it's not only Episcopals who embrace those two things in our culture. But here's the thing.

00:06:59.840 Our, not just the Episcopal Church, but our cultural plunge into the abyss began right there 0.93

00:07:07.280 with the proliferation of divorce and birth control. You want to find, if you want to pinpoint an exact

00:07:16.340 moment, that's where it started. That is where it has to start. Birth control and divorce. 0.98

00:07:23.700 Because right there, that is how you begin to undermine the family and to destroy the entire

00:07:32.380 purpose of marriage. And marriage is the foundation of the family. So with divorce, you have forfeited

00:07:40.360 the permanence of marriage, which is one of its defining characteristics. The other defining

00:07:45.640 characteristic of marriage is its procreative capacity. So you've forfeited the procreative

00:07:53.300 capacity of marriage. You've forfeited the permanence of marriage. And now you've, marriage is nothing now.

00:07:58.800 It serves no purpose. It's absolutely, you've turned it into just nothing. And so we did that

00:08:04.520 decades ago. Decades ago, the Christian church turned marriage into nothing. And then we were 0.60

00:08:11.480 shocked when eventually the gays came and won a gay marriage. Well, of course they're going to, what, 0.98

00:08:16.080 what we had no argument to make against them. We've already said, well, yeah, marriage doesn't, 0.72

00:08:21.620 that's not necessarily permanent. Yeah. You can make a permanent vow on the altar before God.

00:08:25.900 That doesn't mean you actually have to necessarily keep it. And yeah, you don't necessarily, you don't

00:08:31.120 have to have kids. I mean, that's not, yeah. The very first commandment of the, of the Bible that he

00:08:35.940 gives to man and woman is be fruitful and multiply. It's the very first commandment that God gives human

00:08:41.680 beings. The very first thing he tells us to do is to be fruitful and multiply. You don't have to do

00:08:47.760 that though. You don't need to. That's not really the point of marriage. So the point of marriage

00:08:53.060 isn't necessarily to have kids. It's not necessarily a monogamous lifetime union.

00:08:57.280 Then what is the point? And that's why we were so ineffective when the gays came and they wanted 1.00

00:09:03.440 marriage and Christians were trying to explain, no, no, no, no, you can't, you can't get married. 0.96

00:09:08.660 And the gays said, well, why not? We had no arguments to make coming from this perspective, 0.97

00:09:14.860 where we've already said marriage isn't necessarily permanent appropriate, procreative.

00:09:18.240 Well, then what's our argument? Not to mention that when it comes to divorce,

00:09:25.080 this is one of the things where Jesus, I mean, if you go and read the gospels and you're reading

00:09:34.540 them honestly, it's almost, no matter how many times you've read them, it's almost surprising how

00:09:39.620 often Jesus actually addresses this issue. It's almost, I don't know, it's almost like Jesus is God and he

00:09:47.480 knew the situation we were going to be in and where the, where the world was going to head. I mean,

00:09:51.500 that's almost what it's like, right? Uh, no, that is what Jesus is God. And so, um, he, he's, he's

00:09:57.100 speaking. Of course he was speaking to the people around him. He's also speaking to us. And that's

00:10:02.820 why this issue of divorce comes up so often in scripture. And he's so clear about it. Jesus is so

00:10:10.100 clear saying you cannot get divorced. Getting remarried is a, is adultery. That's what he says.

00:10:18.060 Marry a divorced woman. It's adultery. Boom. That's what he says. It's a clear as day.

00:10:21.940 So then they moved from there. They moved to the ordination of women, which again,

00:10:28.780 scripture is so clear about this. St. Paul and the epistles could not be more clear about who was

00:10:34.540 supposed to be leading churches, men. Jesus couldn't have been more clear when he selects

00:10:40.860 12 apostles and they're all men. He could have selected women. He had plenty of women around

00:10:45.660 him who played, who played very important roles. As we know, women were at the foot of the cross.

00:10:51.180 Women were the first to the tomb on Easter morning. Um, so they played a very important role. 1.00

00:10:55.680 They were not his apostles though. That means something. He could have chosen women. He didn't. 0.95

00:11:02.020 He obviously wasn't beholden to the, uh, bigotries of his time. As some people try to claim about

00:11:08.220 Jesus, he was not a man of his time. He was a man. He was a man transcending time. And, um,

00:11:14.820 and so, but he only chose men. And then St. Paul comes in and confirms that no men are the leaders

00:11:22.760 in the church, but we said, okay, we're going to ordain women. And then it was a straight line to the

00:11:27.480 ordination of openly gay clergy and then the approval of same-sex marriage. And now there's

00:11:32.820 nothing surprising really about seeing a feminist Episcopal priest blessing an abortion clinic or a 0.66

00:11:36.980 transgender Episcopal priest, uh, performing a, you know, doing a service in a church adorned with

00:11:42.840 rainbow flags. Nothing surprising about that. And it's even less surprising to look around during

00:11:47.300 that service and see that there's nobody sitting in the pews because why would they come and sit in

00:11:51.480 the pews? There's no point. What would be the point right now? What would be the point of going to

00:11:56.360 an Episcopal church? Why, why, why even go the message of liberal Christianity, whether it's

00:12:01.700 the Episcopal variety or any other variety, the message of liberal Christianity is you're perfectly

00:12:07.740 fine. Exactly as you, as you are, everything you're doing is fine. Um, make no changes, keep up the great

00:12:14.680 work. That's the message. Hey, it's all good. Exactly what you're doing right now. Just keep doing

00:12:21.080 that. Okay. Just, yep. Thumbs up. That's the message. Now a very weak person may be happy to

00:12:29.940 hear that message, but they don't need to hear it twice. They don't need to come, keep coming back to

00:12:36.080 hear it over and over again. All they need to do is hear it once and then they'll just go off and,

00:12:40.320 and, and, uh, live their life. They only need to receive that affirmation one time and then they'll

00:12:45.880 just continue living exactly as they were before. Just as lost, just as confused, just as hopeless.

00:12:52.660 The Episcopal church, like any worldly church has already given everything it has to offer.

00:12:59.680 You go to an Episcopal service one time and sit down and listen to whatever nonsense they're spewing.

00:13:07.060 That's it. That's all they got. They got nothing else to offer you. If a per, but if a person wants 0.94

00:13:13.780 worldliness, okay, if what a person deeply craves is worldliness, they can go literally anywhere else

00:13:23.240 to get it. That's the problem. And if they want lectures on diversity and inclusion, they can go

00:13:31.740 talk to their human resources director at work. Uh, if they want encouragement to just continue along

00:13:38.940 in their sin, Satan is happy to provide it using a whole host of methods in our culture. And most of

00:13:46.940 those methods, whether it's through pop music or TV or whatever, will be far more entertaining and

00:13:52.760 enjoyable than anything that the crusty old Episcopal church can provide. So there's no point. If you want,

00:14:01.540 if somebody actually wants what the Episcopal church or liberal Christianity will give them,

00:14:06.500 well, they can get it anywhere. They can get it, get it anywhere in the world.

00:14:14.400 So going to an Episcopal church for, for the sort of Christianity that Episcopal churches preach,

00:14:23.500 it's like, it would be like going to a fine dining restaurant and ordering a Twinkie.

00:14:30.400 Twinkie. It's just, there's no reason. If you want a Twinkie, you just go to 7-Eleven. You can get a

00:14:35.860 Twinkie anywhere. No, if somebody says to themselves, I want to go to a, to a really good restaurant.

00:14:44.800 Then most of the time they want to go because they're looking for something substantial.

00:14:49.260 They're hungry. They want something real. Okay. Give me some, give me some real food.

00:14:57.160 And just, and, and in the same way, if a person wants something higher, okay. If they want to be

00:15:05.280 rescued from the dreariness of modern culture, if they, if, if, if they, if they want to find their

00:15:12.300 real and transcendent identity, if they want to be challenged, if they want meaning, if they want

00:15:19.980 purpose, if they want a mission in life, well, then they have even less reason to go to Episcopal

00:15:26.740 church or any other similar variety of Christianity because it's not substantial enough. It's not 0.92

00:15:33.480 different enough. It's not saying enough. It's not real enough. It's not asking enough of them.

00:15:40.100 See, this is the great secret of, of, of, of, of humanity that progressive, inclusive Christian

00:15:48.320 leaders don't understand. The great secret is this. Religions grow when they expect more of their 1.00

00:15:58.540 adherence, not less. Expect more, be more orthodox, have a message that's more at odds with the culture,

00:16:09.520 that's more demanding, that's more challenging, that's harder. Those are the religions that grow. 1.00

00:16:16.240 Those are the churches that grow. Religions thrive when they provide a lifestyle that is radically 1.00

00:16:23.020 different from the dull, hollow, pointless lifestyle that the world provides because people turn to

00:16:30.380 religion for identity. And if all they find is more of the same, more of what caused them to go 0.87

00:16:36.600 looking in the first place, then they're not going to be converted. So if a church wants to grow,

00:16:43.120 and more importantly, if it wants to save souls, it has to have the boldness to completely, entirely

00:16:49.660 reject the teachings of the world, to just act like they don't exist. That's the way it should,

00:16:55.960 it should operate. That's the way Christians should operate. That's the way a pastor or priest should

00:17:01.840 operate. That's the way churches should operate. That the teachings of the world, the opinions of

00:17:09.620 the world, the orthodoxies of the world don't matter. It's wrong. It doesn't matter. It has no bearing

00:17:18.660 whatsoever on anything we do. And we do not care if how we live and what we believe is diametrically

00:17:29.840 opposed to the world. In fact, if anything, we find some encouragement in that because we know how

00:17:37.120 lost the world is. And if we were to ever look and see that we're actually lining up with the world on

00:17:43.200 something, that would be a bad sign. People are looking for a higher identity. They're looking for

00:17:49.020 an identity that transcends the world. And it's a natural human desire because everybody has this

00:18:00.880 innate recognition. Everyone has this innate recognition that there's got to be more out there.

00:18:07.600 There's got to be more to the world. There's got to be more to reality. There's got to be more to

00:18:12.000 themselves. Everyone, everyone looks at themselves and they want to change. Everyone wants to change

00:18:18.300 themselves. That's the other part of this. So you look around our culture and it's just people are,

00:18:24.700 you know, not only they're finding their identity in different places, but they're radically changing

00:18:29.400 and doing these makeovers to try to change themselves. And sometimes in the most radical

00:18:35.440 ways, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to take it, well, I'm going to change my gender. I'm going to 0.56

00:18:39.060 get surgery and change my gender. But even if they're not going that radical, it's still,

00:18:42.700 whether it's extreme diet plans or it's this or that or self-help books or motivational seminars,

00:18:48.300 or whatever it is, or joining a cult or something, people are looking to change.

00:18:53.300 They're dissatisfied with who they are. They look at themselves. They don't like who they are.

00:18:58.820 They want to change. They want to believe that it's possible to change. They want to believe that

00:19:03.240 it's possible to, to emerge into some other kind of new identity. That's, that's, that's different

00:19:10.800 from what they have now because they're dissatisfied with it. And that's where the church has to step in

00:19:16.620 and says, here's your new identity. Here it is. And the longer that a person languishes in the world,

00:19:23.820 the longer they languish in sin, the more their identity kind of starts to fade and the lines start

00:19:32.420 to blur and they become less. That's what, that's what sin does to you. It lessens you. It makes you less

00:19:39.020 sense of yourself. That's why I think I made this point before, but when you look at really evil

00:19:46.220 people, when you look at serial killers or school shooters or serial rapists or whoever, you know,

00:19:53.340 when you, when you look at the most deranged kind of people who are just wallowing in the darkest, darkest

00:20:00.020 and when you look at that, they're at them, they're all kind of the same, aren't they? It's like

00:20:06.360 they're interchangeable one with the other. You almost lose track of them. School shooters. So

00:20:10.840 which, which one did, which one, you know, you can't even remember. They're all, they all, they all

00:20:14.500 seem to be identical in terms of just their motivations, the kind of people they are, just

00:20:19.240 everything, even their history, their family situation, everything seems to be kind of just the

00:20:24.160 same. They just blur together into one just mass of, into one weird, gross, horrible fog of humanity.

00:20:33.240 That's what they become. Whereas when you look at the heroes, when you look at, at virtuous, godly

00:20:40.280 people, well, they're, they're all so distinct and different and beautiful and their stories are

00:20:47.640 different and everything is just different. They stand out. They're like these bright shining stars

00:20:53.900 in the, in the midst of the fog. They stand out. They are so distinct because it's in that where

00:21:00.520 we find ourselves. And ultimately when we stand before the throne of judgment, when we stand before

00:21:06.060 God, we're either going to be welcomed home into communion with God, where we will finally find our

00:21:11.940 truest, our perfected identity, which is free from all of these sorts of patches of nothingness that

00:21:19.340 are within us, this kind of sin, these holes, you know, sin, sin are these, these holes in our soul

00:21:24.560 that are there. And, uh, and so we all have these bits of emptiness in us. Some have more than others.

00:21:30.360 We, when we go to heaven, well, that's all filled in, that's all gone now. Right. Or if we're cast into

00:21:36.780 damnation, then there we will go and we will be just nothingness, which isn't to say that hell is real

00:21:44.700 or that we disappear. And so we don't really go to hell. Not saying that hell is real. Souls go to

00:21:50.040 hell. Satan is real. All that's real, but the souls in hell have been stripped or rather they've forfeited 0.99

00:21:59.820 all that's real about them. All that's substantial because everything's substantial, everything

00:22:05.920 beautiful, everything distinct, everything real comes from God. None of that goes into hell. It can't.

00:22:11.500 And so the souls in hell are just this blur of ego still there in, in, in, in, in some way, you know,

00:22:21.920 now they're outside of time and space, but so still existing, but just nothing. I'm reading a book

00:22:31.720 called the Lord by, or I just finished it. Actually, it's called the, the, uh, the Lord by Romano

00:22:36.200 Guardini. It's a beautiful book. I highly recommend it about the life of Christ.

00:22:43.760 And he has a great line about judgment. He says that, um, as you stand there before God,

00:22:49.300 you'll find out how much of you is, I thought that was a great way of putting it kind of a terrifying

00:22:57.120 way of putting it. How much of you still is because there's the you that God gave you and intended for

00:23:05.300 you. And then there's kind of the anti you that you claim for yourself through sin, that which does

00:23:12.920 not come from God. So Christianity should put us on the path towards finding our true selves in God. 0.83

00:23:21.040 But if it doesn't, if the church doesn't step up to the plate, then there are plenty of other places,

00:23:28.040 you know, then people will find that identity somewhere else. Why do you think Islam is the 0.84

00:23:33.420 fastest growing religion in the world? Because it is. Why is that? Think about it in our, in our

00:23:41.780 progressive enlightened age, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Why? I mean, this is a

00:23:50.380 question that Christians should confront and confront it honestly. I'll tell you why, because it expects 1.00

00:23:56.300 more of its adherence. It provides a way of life that is drastically different from the average.

00:24:06.440 It expects, it demands total submission to its precepts. In other words, if you're going to become

00:24:14.140 Muslim, you can't partially find your identity in Islam. It's no, there's no partial commitment.

00:24:20.380 You're all in. Praying five times a day, everything. Total reverence, total submission. Islam is not 0.99

00:24:28.780 afraid to talk about obedience, not afraid to talk about punishment, concepts that have gone out of

00:24:34.100 vogue in Western Christianity. Islam is an identity. And so people come to it and they find this whole new 0.95

00:24:44.040 identity and this challenge to live differently, which is what they want. Say what you want about

00:24:51.480 that identity. But the fact is it is one, which is more than I can say about Episcopalianism.

00:24:59.320 Islam is an identity. Being Episcopal at this point is just nothing. It's just being nothing. It means 1.00

00:25:05.260 nothing. I don't have to go to Islam. For examples, there are some churches in America who have figured

00:25:10.880 this out. Some, they're in a minority. I gave a talk at a church in Wisconsin just a few weeks ago

00:25:16.680 and it was a very traditional church, very orthodox, very conservative, very. It was beautiful. I loved it.

00:25:27.580 And you know what else it was? It was a young church. It was growing. I talked to the priest

00:25:33.840 afterwards and he told me that when he first came to the parish, the average age for parishioners was

00:25:42.180 70. And then he got in and he got, you know, he got rid of all the liberal reforms, all the, you know,

00:25:47.820 all the fluffy stuff. He kind of started turning the clock back by about a thousand years in terms of

00:25:53.560 how the liturgy is celebrated. And now the average age of a parishioner is 35. Why? Because it gives

00:26:06.240 young people that totally submersed, radical, orthodox experience that they crave. It gives,

00:26:16.340 there's a point, there's a reason to go to that church. There's a point to it.

00:26:21.100 It stands apart from the world. It's completely different from what the world is doing.

00:26:27.980 It does not echo or mirror the world at all. That's why. So there's a reason for it to exist.

00:26:34.940 There's something else people crave. They crave virtue. Virtue. We crave virtue so much,

00:26:43.020 but we find so few examples of it in the culture that now we turn to superheroes.

00:26:47.380 In fact, I was talking to somebody recently and I, you know, and I've, I've been in the past,

00:26:55.840 I've made it clear that I don't, I don't totally understand the superhero obsession, especially

00:27:00.160 among adults. I get it. It's fun, but just, you know, adults going to see every new superhero movie

00:27:07.100 and just so invested in superheroes. I don't get it. I really don't. And something about it seems,

00:27:13.060 well, I just don't get it. And I was talking to somebody about it and they told me that they said,

00:27:19.060 well, you know, it's, it's an example of, of virtue. It's an example of, you know, these are

00:27:25.100 good guys. And, and so much of, of Hollywood these days is, is, is all about antiheroes. And it's about

00:27:31.500 these kinds of tortured people that are just kind of morally ambiguous. Think of, think of all the

00:27:38.100 Quentin Tarantino, every Quentin Tarantino movie ever made, or just everybody is bad in the movie.

00:27:43.480 There's no virtue. There's no goodness, nothing. And, uh, he made the point that, well, with a

00:27:49.040 superhero movie, say what else, say whatever else you want about it. But, um, at least there are good

00:27:53.380 guys and there are bad guys and there's a moral distinction between the two and they're fighting

00:27:58.400 for good things. So that's why people like it. And, uh, and I think that's a good point,

00:28:05.080 but it's kind of sad, isn't it? That people are so starving for examples of virtue and stories of

00:28:12.000 virtue and, uh, sort of a defense of virtue. So starving for it, they got to turn to Spider-Man.

00:28:20.980 They got to turn to Batman for it when they should be able to turn to the church.

00:28:28.400 The church should represent that virtue, should defend the virtue and challenge its adherence to 0.71

00:28:35.000 live by virtue and defend it themselves. It should challenge its adherence to be warriors,

00:28:43.860 to be real warriors, to go out and fight. And it shouldn't be afraid to say that,

00:28:50.700 that we are in a, we are in a holy war. We are. It may not, it may not be a physical war

00:28:57.660 right now anyway, but we're in a holy war. We're in a, we're in a war against the powers of evil.

00:29:06.120 And there are a lot of them and there's, it's, it's kind of overwhelming right now.

00:29:11.320 And so the church should be saying, go out there and fight.

00:29:15.940 There should be some of that militant, there should be kind of a militant

00:29:20.260 flavor to Christianity, especially in our, in our day and age. That's how you build a church.

00:29:30.160 The Episcopal model is how you destroy it. So I guess we just have to decide which to follow. 0.86

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The Matt Walsh Show - May 04, 2018

Ep. 23 - Liberal Christianity Is Pointless

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